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Title: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2019, 11:45:31 AM
He might as well get his own thread now.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Smirker on July 12, 2019, 11:46:15 AM
Up the Villa  8)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: exigo on July 12, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
Kalvin who?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 12, 2019, 12:06:14 PM
Kalvin who?

We might buy him as well yet.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:07:31 PM
Woody stealing Torontos thunder.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
Kalvin who?

We might buy him as well yet.

Latest report I saw suggested Spurs are in for him too.

Hard to know really. Would love to sign him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 12, 2019, 12:09:58 PM
Kalvin who?

We might buy him as well yet.
I think that position is now sorted, because Engels can cover as well.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:12:39 PM
Done according to John Percy.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2019, 12:18:13 PM
Looks like the kind of deep lying playmaker Dean was keen on at Brentford. On steroids.

If this goes through it looks a great bit of business, with the usual caveats about his experience over here.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 12, 2019, 12:21:50 PM
Good news! Welcome Douglas. Deffo no work permit problems?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:22:27 PM
Good news! Welcome Douglas. Deffo no work permit problems?
Was going to ask the same. If City can't get one then how can we?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2019, 12:23:35 PM
Good news! Welcome Douglas. Deffo no work permit problems?
Was going to ask the same. If City can't get one then how can we?
Apparently his loan appearances in La Liga
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2019, 12:23:59 PM
Because if they refuse we'll send Tyrone round to have a word.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:25:18 PM
Ah , I found this...

While Douglas has played in Europe for the past two seasons, in Spain with Cityís feeder club Girona, the requirements to play in England for non EU nationals are slightly stricter.

If Douglas was playing in the Brazil national team he would find a work permit to play in England incredibly easy to come by.

Thats due to the fact that eligibility to play in England now depends on FIFAs ranking system. Players from nations inside FIFAs top 10 Ė which Brazil are Ė need to have played in 30 percent of international fixtures in the last two years to be guaranteed a work permit.


Douglas is uncapped at senior international level but thats unlikely to be an issue with a number of Brazilians having already played in this country without experience in the national team.

There is an Exceptions Panel which can grant a work permit to a player provided the buying club can demonstrate his experience and value to their cause.


Man City, who boast midfield stars such as Kevin De Bruyne, David Silva, Fernandinho and Bernardo Silva, understandably found it difficult to provide the panel with proof of Douglasí importance at The Etihad.

But Douglas will be a regular pick for head coach Dean Smith at Villa Park, just as he was during his two seasons at Girona.

Provided there are no major hiccups, Douglas will meet up with his new teammates for pre-season training in the US and become Villas second samba star after compatriot Wesley.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: KRS on July 12, 2019, 12:27:35 PM
Welcome to the Villa!

Weíll have one hell of a proper player on our hands if he lives up to his hype and potential.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: algy on July 12, 2019, 12:30:09 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Luiz#Aston_Villa

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On 12 July 2019 Douglas signed for returning Premier League giants Aston Villa for a fee of £15 million, stating he was dissatisfied with the quality of football at Manchester City and was looking for an opportunity to win the Champions League. He also said it was down to his desire to play alongside the likes of McGinn, Mings and Grealish, rather than amateurish players at his previous club.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 12, 2019, 12:30:43 PM
If he has a buy back clause isn't this in effect an glorified loan? As we can't stop him going back if he does well?

May well just be a way for Man City to get around his work permit issue...?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2019, 12:31:18 PM
Good news! Welcome Douglas. Deffo no work permit problems?
Was going to ask the same. If City can't get one then how can we?
Apparently his loan appearances in La Liga

Also the transfer gives him the points he required. It appears Man city tried and failed so need to transfer him to get the points. This is therefore a no risk loan from their perspective as they believe he will come good and then they can grab him back.  Still if he helps us stay up and we get a couple of million profit hey ho I guess. 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 12, 2019, 12:32:37 PM
More likely a way for them to get around the Financial Fair Play rules, as otherwise they would have just loaned him out again.

Either way, he sounds ace. And if he ends up being good enough for Man City he will have done well for us.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: KRS on July 12, 2019, 12:34:18 PM
Surely a buy back clause will be based on when or if we want to sell rather than when or if Citeh want to buy him back, so makes more sense as a first refusal at an agreed fee.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Ger Regan on July 12, 2019, 12:44:26 PM
We may not find out the details of the buy back clause, but for the first time in a good while i've faith that the powers that be know what they're doing. They have shown that they have contingency plans in place for many eventualities, so can't see them being unprepared *if* city decide to re-sign him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 12, 2019, 12:49:24 PM
I'd hope the agreement is for no sooner than 2 years and do less than double your money...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:51:03 PM
Does come across as more a fancy loan I suppose but who cares. He might help Wes settle.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 12:53:38 PM
Woody stealing Torontos thunder.

Indeed. This timezone thing is bullshit.

Anyway, Iím just glad weíve finally got a player with a z in his name.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dominic22 on July 12, 2019, 12:54:10 PM
Not sure how true this is but if so it makes sense for both clubs as it would make it near imposible for him to get a work permit for Man City in the near futire.

You need to get 4pts out of this list to satisfy the requirements to get a work permit, which for us he will do 

3pts - Fee is in the top 25% of all PL transfers this summer.

2pts - Fee is in the top 50% of all PL transfers this summer.

3pts - The wages are in the top 25% at the club.

2pts - The wages are in the top 50% at the club.

1pt - The players current club is in a top league and he played 30% or more games.

1pt - the players current club is in European competition and played 30% of games.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:56:43 PM
Woody stealing Torontos thunder.

Indeed. This timezone thing is bullshit.

Anyway, Iím just glad weíve finally got a player with a z in his name.
Ha Ha.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 12, 2019, 12:57:34 PM
Isn't a buy back clause fairly normal in Europe ? A few hours ago i'd never heard of this lad, after seeing 2 minutes of him, i'm convinced he's the best young midfielder in Europe !! Hopefully he can be to us what Kante was to Leicester.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
Traore had one in the Villa/ Barcelona deal
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 12, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
Traore had one in the Villa/ Barcelona deal

Amazed they never exercised that option !!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: richtheholtender on July 12, 2019, 01:08:56 PM
The new way to go about it is to add a ďright to match bid clauseĒ
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 01:13:47 PM
Traore had one in the Villa/ Barcelona deal

Amazed they never exercised that option !!

When Boro come in for you then you have no chance, clause or not.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dave P on July 12, 2019, 01:15:51 PM
It's like an elaborate loan deal in effect.  We sign him for £15 and, if Man City want him back, they pay £Xm.  If we wanted him on loan, we'd probably pay £4m - £5m and only have him for a year.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 01:21:54 PM
From what I've read of Pep's opinion of him, how the transfer helps him get the work permit and the suspiciously low fee I think it's very very likely we'll be selling him back next summer. This is essentially a trick loan deal to get him a work permit. Not that I'm complaining really!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: wolfman999 on July 12, 2019, 01:22:04 PM
We can only speculate on the terms of the apparent buy back clause but does this mean if he's a success Citeh can snatch him back and give us our cash back but, if he turns out to be a dud, they keep the cash.? If so, it doesn't sound a great deal from our point of view but who knows, we certainly don't.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 12, 2019, 01:23:11 PM
Is this a done deal? Nothing on the Official site?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Mister E on July 12, 2019, 01:24:34 PM
From what I've read of Pep's opinion of him, how the transfer helps him get the work permit and the suspiciously low fee I think it's very very likely we'll be selling him back next summer. This is essentially a trick loan deal to get him a work permit. Not that I'm complaining really!
It does mean he can play against Citeh for us; unlike a loan.

Look, he'll be contracted to us for x years. When either the club or the  player decide to finish it, Citeh get first dibs.
Is all.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 01:25:36 PM
Is this a done deal? Nothing on the Official site?

The OS is the last to know
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 01:27:12 PM
Given our stance on loans and not improving a player for someone else the buy back clause if probably just a way of Man City ensuring they get last dibs. Money for them isnít a problem so it could be that we make a sizeable profit should they come in for him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2019, 01:27:44 PM
The OS only declares when everything is done, and they've had time to do the shirt-stretching photos and "how does it feel to be at Villa" video.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 01:28:48 PM
The OS only declares when everything is done, and they've had time to do the shirt-stretching photos and "how does it feel to be at Villa" video.

Journalism never sleeps.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 01:29:09 PM
Is this a done deal? Nothing on the Official site?
Photos, interviews...takes time man.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 12, 2019, 01:34:06 PM
The OS only declares when everything is done, and they've had time to do the shirt-stretching photos and "how does it feel to be at Villa" video.

You mean "how does it feel to be at a massive club like Villa" video.

Hopefully if he has to get out to the USA quickly we will be spared the video.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2019, 01:40:38 PM
They wonít be getting first dibs. They will have the right to buy him back at a predefined price at predefined points (probably at each seasons end) and we wonít get a choice. Likewise I would also be sure thereís some profit for us, but not amazing. This is a clever work permit busting ruse by city.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 01:46:00 PM
They wonít be getting first dibs. They will have the right to buy him back at a predefined price at predefined points (probably at each seasons end) and we wonít get a choice. Likewise I would also be sure thereís some profit for us, but not amazing. This is a clever work permit busting ruse by city.

Yep, and if he helps is stay in the league and gives us a platform to build on then it will all have been totally worth it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: DrGonzo on July 12, 2019, 01:47:00 PM
It's amazing how many of this site's readers are involved in the contract negotiations!!

This is turning into one hell of a summer! Blown away by the level of input from the new owners, and the total change of direction in our transfer policy. Oh happy day!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 12, 2019, 01:48:10 PM
It's amazing how many of this site's readers are involved in the contract negotiations!!

This is turning into one hell of a summer! Blown away by the level of input from the new owners, and the total change of direction in our transfer policy. Oh happy day!

Mad exciting, innit 😊

We are fucking Box Office.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 12, 2019, 01:54:54 PM
It's like an elaborate loan deal in effect.  We sign him for £15 and, if Man City want him back, they pay £Xm.  If we wanted him on loan, we'd probably pay £4m - £5m and only have him for a year.

The similarity with a loan is that the original club still has a tie in to get him back if they want, but at least he's a fully registered Aston Villa player while he's here, we should be able to make some money on him and it's always possible that the original selling club will look elsewhere even if he is good for us. With a loan, he's going back no matter what. The point about the original club looking elsewhere is particularly relevant to Man City, who will probably have forgotten about him after 12 months unless he's bordering on PFA player of the year standard.
I'd be more worried about him being snatched back off us if it was Man Utd or even Chelsea.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: thick_mike on July 12, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
Given our stance on loans and not improving a player for someone else the buy back clause if probably just a way of Man City ensuring they get last dibs. Money for them isnít a problem so it could be that we make a sizeable profit should they come in for him.

Thatís when the bidding war really starts! ;)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2019, 02:08:32 PM
They wonít be getting first dibs. They will have the right to buy him back at a predefined price at predefined points (probably at each seasons end) and we wonít get a choice. Likewise I would also be sure thereís some profit for us, but not amazing. This is a clever work permit busting ruse by city.

Yep, and if he helps is stay in the league and gives us a platform to build on then it will all have been totally worth it.

Totally. At which point we will be buying up the worlds best youngsters and sending them out with buy back clauses! UTV
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: mallo on July 12, 2019, 02:28:15 PM
Is he actually any good?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 02:30:00 PM
Is he actually any good?
Oooh theres always one.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2019, 02:34:10 PM
If he ends up being good enough for Man City to re-sign in a year or two, that can only been he's been fecking Mings-esque for Villa. I'll take that
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2019, 02:35:46 PM
Is he actually any good?

Player of the tournament at the U23 World Cup. So no, he's shit.

All this talk of him going back etc and being a clever ruse by City ignores the fact that we have an astute DoF, CEO and Head Coach. That we are a big club and therefore there surely is more to it for us. I suspect there's a good profit to be made if indeed he does return there.

I don't see a downside to this. Plus it means we've a Brazilian striker and midfielder in the squad...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: danno on July 12, 2019, 02:37:17 PM
No pressure but I hope he's better than Anderson, Fred and his cousin David.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 02:41:36 PM
Is he actually any good?
Oooh theres always one.

The next Djemba-Djemba ;)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 02:42:38 PM
I wonít lie. This pre Man City video of our newest Douglas created some movement in my loins

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Mister E on July 12, 2019, 03:10:15 PM
They wonít be getting first dibs. They will have the right to buy him back at a predefined price at predefined points (probably at each seasons end) and we wonít get a choice. Likewise I would also be sure thereís some profit for us, but not amazing. This is a clever work permit busting ruse by city.
Maybe; maybe not.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 12, 2019, 03:10:55 PM
I wonít lie. This pre Man City video of our newest Douglas created some movement in my loins



Fuck me, we need Phillips as well, because on some of those clips Luiz looks like  he could keep Grealish or SJM out of the side.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: mallo on July 12, 2019, 03:11:16 PM
Is he actually any good?
Oooh theres always one.
Haha it was worth asking - perhaps I should have put one of those winky things there.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: mallo on July 12, 2019, 03:14:02 PM
I wonít lie. This pre Man City video of our newest Douglas created some movement in my loins


Thanks - mind made up - he's very good!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 03:20:13 PM
I wonít lie. This pre Man City video of our newest Douglas created some movement in my loins


Thanks - mind made up - he's very good!

Likewise.

His technique of cleanly taking the ball off attackers is outrageous. If he manages that even once a game for us against quality opposition I'll be on my feet applauding.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2019, 03:33:30 PM
Full name Douglas Luiz Soares de Paulo. Formerly of Vasco de Gama (I picked them as a team to follow when I went to see them against Fluminense about 12 years ago.

Now I can wear my Vasco shirt for two reasons...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 12, 2019, 03:42:08 PM
I wonít lie. This pre Man City video of our newest Douglas created some movement in my loins


Thanks - mind made up - he's very good!

Likewise.

His technique of cleanly taking the ball off attackers is outrageous. If he manages that even once a game for us against quality opposition I'll be on my feet applauding.

Certainly an upgrade on Whelan and Jedi !!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Diablo on July 12, 2019, 04:13:15 PM
Full name Douglas Luiz Soares de Paulo. Formerly of Vasco de Gama (I picked them as a team to follow when I went to see them against Fluminense about 12 years ago.

Now I can wear my Vasco shirt for two reasons...
Great shirts! Funnily enough I was just admiring them thinking, I'd love us to have a strong South American style diagonal stripe 2nd kit (despite the links to Palace and Man City over here).  Douglas Luiz looks some player!!! Hope it all goes through ok and he enjoys himself here.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Fred Crump on July 12, 2019, 04:14:24 PM
Oh my goodness I think someoneís just spiked my drink. Iím hallucinating that Iíve just seen a video of a fecking brilliant Brazilian midfielder that weíve just signed. Must have ingested some pretty strong shit...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: chrisw1 on July 12, 2019, 04:23:17 PM
Deep down I've always felt we were going to really struggle next season and all probability be in a relegation scrap.

I'm not one for getting carried away, but I'm now pretty confident we're going to win the league.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2019, 04:38:41 PM
Deep down I've always felt we were going to really struggle next season and all probability be in a relegation scrap.

I'm not one for getting carried away, but I'm now pretty confident we're going to win the league.

Indeed.  We won't be doing a Fulham, we'll be doing a Leicester.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 12, 2019, 04:41:25 PM
I wonít lie. This pre Man City video of our newest Douglas created some movement in my loins


Thanks - mind made up - he's very good!

Likewise.

His technique of cleanly taking the ball off attackers is outrageous. If he manages that even once a game for us against quality opposition I'll be on my feet applauding.

Certainly an upgrade on Whelan and Jedi !!
The fella looks total quality .........if we sign him he could well be our best player, unless there are more to come :)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 12, 2019, 04:47:07 PM
Who would have thought we would have not one but two Brazilians in our team

Can't wait for the season to start
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 12, 2019, 04:51:03 PM
This Brazilian kid doesn't look as comfortable on the ball as Jedi but that's probably down to that 'Kick and Rush' style they're so synonymous with. Good luck anyway fella.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2019, 04:54:38 PM
Looks like he could easily play as an attacking midfielder if we're chasing a game.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 05:16:22 PM
Is he actually any good?
Oooh theres always one.
Haha it was worth asking - perhaps I should have put one of those winky things there.
Nah you're right mate, he could be the next Hourihane where no one really knows if he's good or crap.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Border villan on July 12, 2019, 05:28:02 PM
That video is good, but can he take a throw in?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 12, 2019, 05:37:01 PM
I'm thinking Carlos Sanchez mk2 😁
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: CT on July 12, 2019, 05:43:54 PM
That video, holy moly!!!

He's no Danny Drinkwater, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 12, 2019, 05:48:52 PM
Wow, am I dreaming?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: KRS on July 12, 2019, 06:08:16 PM
Finally it looks like we have a player that will be on the same wavelength as Jack. A mouth watering prospect watching a midfield trio of Luiz, Jack and SJM.

Conor may struggle to get a game, and I would expect to see the likes of BB and Lansbury being moved on now.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Baldy on July 12, 2019, 06:16:17 PM
Plays like William from Chelsea.  :)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: kieron on July 12, 2019, 06:17:04 PM
I'm refusing to watch the video until we've got a shirt stretch.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Diablo on July 12, 2019, 06:23:51 PM
I'm refusing to watch the video until we've got a shirt stretch.
A very wise move (it'll save you repeatedly checking the official site for confirmation and be better for your nerves).
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: DrGonzo on July 12, 2019, 07:24:53 PM
After 1 minute of that video I thought he was horribly one footed, I counted after and got to 12 touches with his left after that point. It's a hellish good right boot tho!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Rudy65 on July 12, 2019, 07:34:23 PM
Strong boy with the passing range of Hoddle
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2019, 07:43:11 PM
After 1 minute of that video I thought he was horribly one footed, I counted after and got to 12 touches with his left after that point. It's a hellish good right boot tho!

There's a couple of clips showing him play 30-40 yard passes with his left and one where he cracks a fierce shot from about 20 yards with it so he clearly favours his right but the left isn't for standing on.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: DrGonzo on July 12, 2019, 08:03:44 PM
I appreciate. I saw them too, just seems odd to be so reliant on the one when the other is not half bad. But it is a YouTube video so he may turn out to be a natural lefty 😂
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2019, 08:06:28 PM
Please let this be so.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2019, 08:13:52 PM
He looks a hell of a player. Fingers crossed.

The Noses make me smile. Anybody else and you'd think it was tongue in cheek, but with these tin foil hat wearing, Vila haters, you know they're being serious:

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I am assuming Witton with their connections to the royals and government will pull a few strings to get him a work permit
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2019, 08:21:07 PM
On the plus side if itís a proxy loan surely they canít insert a clause saying he canít play against them.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: clash city rocker on July 12, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
He looks a hell of a player. Fingers crossed.

The Noses make me smile. Anybody else and you'd think it was tongue in cheek, but with these tin foil hat wearing, Vila haters, you know they're being serious:

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I am assuming Witton with their connections to the royals and government will pull a few strings to get him a work permit

Too fuckin right we will. That's the way the world works.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 12, 2019, 08:34:36 PM
Strong boy with the passing range of Hoddle

So not quite the new Sid.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: olaftab on July 12, 2019, 08:38:01 PM
Looks like he could easily play as an attacking midfielder if we're chasing a game.
Not that we will be doing that very often...possibly not all ;)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2019, 08:39:49 PM
I know this buy back thing is in danger of becoming the new release clause/bidding war but the one question I canít see although the answer would seem to be obvious....

Do they have first refusal and an agreed price IF we sell him or can they trigger a sale? If so, is there likely to be an earliest and latest point where they can trigger it?

I realise these things wonít be known in detail but what do we reckon and is there a precedent?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2019, 08:44:44 PM
I know this buy back thing is in danger of becoming the new release clause/bidding war but the one question I canít see although the answer would seem to be obvious....

Do they have first refusal and an agreed price IF we sell him or can they trigger a sale? If so, is there likely to be an earliest and latest point where they can trigger it?

The latter. If they want to buy him, there will be an agreed price and the player will already have signed his agreement to the future move.

But the pre-agreed fee is normally a fair bit more than the original transfer.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Ger Regan on July 12, 2019, 08:49:42 PM
I know this buy back thing is in danger of becoming the new release clause/bidding war but the one question I canít see although the answer would seem to be obvious....

Do they have first refusal and an agreed price IF we sell him or can they trigger a sale? If so, is there likely to be an earliest and latest point where they can trigger it?

I realise these things wonít be known in detail but what do we reckon and is there a precedent?
With most release fees, if someone offers the release amount they get them. In this instance we're only obliged to sell him back to citeh. The only example i know of a release fee being flouted was when arsenal tried to sign suarez and liverpool refused.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2019, 08:52:58 PM
Announce Luis!!

He looks rather special.  Two footed, plays a bit like he's a McGinn/Grealish love child.  Please get this one over the line.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2019, 08:59:51 PM
Cheers chaps. It does sound in effect like a deal somewhere between a permanent singing and a loan, not that it is necessarily a bad thing.

I wonder how it would work (hypothetically) if his likely price went above the buyback price and they just wanted flip him for a profit?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2019, 09:01:33 PM
Strong boy with the passing range of Hoddle

So not quite the new Sid.
Yes poor show.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Ger Regan on July 12, 2019, 09:03:04 PM
Cheers chaps. It does sound in effect like a deal somewhere between a permanent singing and a loan, not that it is necessarily a bad thing.

I wonder how it would work (hypothetically) if his likely price went above the buyback price and they just wanted flip him for a profit?
That's the big unknown. I can't imagine we'd agree to a shit deal, though, or one just to help out city. One way or another, I'd imagine we'd have a contingency plan in place.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2019, 09:08:12 PM
I know this buy back thing is in danger of becoming the new release clause/bidding war but the one question I canít see although the answer would seem to be obvious....

Do they have first refusal and an agreed price IF we sell him or can they trigger a sale? If so, is there likely to be an earliest and latest point where they can trigger it?

I realise these things wonít be known in detail but what do we reckon and is there a precedent?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/man-city-transfer-angelino-buyback-16517641.amp
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2019, 09:08:25 PM
Cheers chaps. It does sound in effect like a deal somewhere between a permanent singing and a loan, not that it is necessarily a bad thing.

I wonder how it would work (hypothetically) if his likely price went above the buyback price and they just wanted flip him for a profit?

Then that's exactly what they do. And probably will.

Alvaro Morata for example - Madrid sell him to Juventus for 20m. Buy him back two years later for 30m. Sell him to Chelsea a year later for 60m.

He was at Madrid for a season in between, but nothing stopping them for just selling him straight away.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2019, 09:11:20 PM
Itís no substitute for finding your own gem. But itíll do for now
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2019, 09:12:02 PM
Cheers chaps. It does sound in effect like a deal somewhere between a permanent singing and a loan, not that it is necessarily a bad thing.

I wonder how it would work (hypothetically) if his likely price went above the buyback price and they just wanted flip him for a profit?
That's the big unknown. I can't imagine we'd agree to a shit deal, though, or one just to help out city. One way or another, I'd imagine we'd have a contingency plan in place.

You'd normally set the return fee significantly higher than what you originally paid.

So if we ended up "helping out City", that happened by him being so good for us that they want to give us a profit and he's given us enough good performances in our team to warrant that profit.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2019, 09:15:58 PM
Agreed. I have tremendous faith in these guys to get the details of these deals right which is a new and novel feeling.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Ger Regan on July 12, 2019, 09:16:41 PM
Yeah, I'm more thinking of us not agreeing to a really low release fee. Didn't that happen with a player re-signed from PSV this year? That's the sort of deal i'm pretty confident we wouldn't agree to.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2019, 09:19:20 PM
I assume Man. City will have buy back clause on him, I believe Pep rates him highly but that pesky work permit stopped him being included in their squad so they've had to loan him out.

Haven't read the thread but who are we getting passed that btw, he hasn't been called up for Brazil and BBC article just says we're "confident."

Was also going to mention there is actually a Girona fan who posts on another forum who I'd ask for more information........but let's not go down that route again (wink).

Interesting signing though, think he can also play at CB in a 3 if required.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2019, 09:24:13 PM
Important not to get carried away btw, just looking at his stats and he started 1 game for Girona in 17/18 and just 16 last season in a team that got relegated.

He's obviously got huge potential with Pep rating him but not sure he'll be our week in week out DM, gamble if he is.

This reminds me of when we signed Tiago Ilori who'd had a good loan season in Spain and he quickly faded into obscurity after the managerial change.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2019, 09:33:00 PM
Very clever of Man City really. They have a player they rate highly but canít get a work permit (and probably feel heís a year or two away from the first team) for. Sell him (sort of) but insert a buy back at x amount. See how he goes and then either leave him be, buy him back or buy him back and sell him on.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2019, 09:37:07 PM
Very clever of Man City really. They have a player they rate highly but canít get a work permit (and probably feel heís a year or two away from the first team) for. Sell him (sort of) but insert a buy back at x amount. See how he goes and then either leave him be, buy him back or buy him back and sell him on.

It's the standard procedure abroad. Barcelona do it with pretty much every young player they sell as already stated with Adama.

Dosen't mean they'll re-sign Douglas as they've signed Rodri who's a DM and will pretty much be Fernandinho's replacement in starting 11 but obviously option is there if they so desire.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2019, 09:43:42 PM
Very clever of Man City really. They have a player they rate highly but canít get a work permit (and probably feel heís a year or two away from the first team) for. Sell him (sort of) but insert a buy back at x amount. See how he goes and then either leave him be, buy him back or buy him back and sell him on.

It's the standard procedure abroad. Barcelona do it with pretty much every young player they sell as already stated with Adama.

Dosen't mean they'll re-sign Douglas as they've signed Rodri who's a DM and will pretty much be Fernandinho's replacement in starting 11 but obviously option is there if they so desire.

Considering Jorginho only went to Chelsea because of the coach, theyíve probably got an interest there too. There will always be another De Jong or someone that they can go after first.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 09:59:35 PM
In fairness if Man City deem him a player they want back with all of the options they always have in terms of transfer targets then heíll have done bloody well with us. And in any case hopefully by that stage, in 3 or 4 years time we will be a lot better off ourselves and competing consistently at the upper end of the table.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: jwarry on July 12, 2019, 10:02:43 PM
In fairness if Man City deem him a player they want back with all of the options they always have in terms of transfer targets then heíll have done bloody well with us. And in any case hopefully by that stage, in 3 or 4 years time we will be a lot better off ourselves and competing consistently at the upper end of the table.

Or even selling with a buy back option 😎
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: FatSam on July 12, 2019, 10:57:06 PM
You'd normally set the return fee significantly higher than what you originally paid.

So if we ended up "helping out City", that happened by him being so good for us that they want to give us a profit and he's given us enough good performances in our team to warrant that profit.

That sounds about right - according to Transfermarkt, Man City sold AngeliŮo to PSV for £5.5m last summer, and triggered his buy back clause for £12m a year later.

If Douglas has more than doubled his value having played for us for a year, we'll probably be happy with the deal regardless. Especially given the urgent squad building that has been necessary this summer.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: chrisw1 on July 12, 2019, 11:03:58 PM
We may never know but Iíd be surprised if City built in a £15m uplift in the buy back clause.  Itís al guesswork but Iím not sure why they would agree that, particularly if this is essentially a work permit fiddle.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 12, 2019, 11:04:04 PM
https://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/futebol-internacional/futebol-ingles/noticia/manchester-city-acerta-venda-de-douglas-luiz-ex-vasco-para-o-aston-villa.ghtml

We're making news in Rio. One thing it does mention is that the buy back clause increases in value after every season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2019, 11:06:23 PM
I presume, like the Engels deal, that it's done, but we are waiting for international clearance? I also presume that he can train with the rest of the squad as they are abroad?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 12, 2019, 11:11:44 PM
It would appear so. The article says that it's envisaged that he will travel to the US on Sunday to join Villa on their pre-season in the US.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 02:40:45 AM
Just some no nothing blokes* opinion last season about our soon to be new Douglas.

https://twitter.com/avfc_blog/status/1149586723103367169?s=12






*AKA the outstanding Guillem Balaguť

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2019, 11:44:52 AM
Luiz looks a really exciting signing in a position we definitely need to recruit one if not two players.

I don't think Citeh are necessarily getting the best end of the deal either. They have a player they want/may want, but have no way for him to be involved with them other than through a sale with an option to buy-back.

That should give us decent leverage to not be screwed on the terms of the deal. Plus lots of people that seem to be well informed are suggesting that the sale overcomes the problem of the work permit (I've no idea on that).

As has been pointed out - another Brazilian as well as a former teammate in Engels, should also help Big Wes settle and we will need him firing from the outset.

Looks like another example of smart people working to an intelligent plan. UTV.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Keeno on July 13, 2019, 12:34:40 PM
Just some no nothing blokes* opinion last season about our soon to be new Douglas.

https://twitter.com/avfc_blog/status/1149586723103367169?s=12






*AKA the outstanding Guillem Balaguť



This is the vid to watch. Made me much more excited than a YouTube comp - that's some clips from his performance at the Bernabeu last season and just confirms that City really rate him.

I'm so excited about what Grealish and McGinn could do in combination with this fella.

Buy-back clause doesn't bother me at this stage. City are gonna sign Rodri this summer, were interested in Jorginho (as was mentioned above), and have so many top prospects coming through that there will constantly be other options .

If it does get to the point at where they are buying him back with a view to playing in their first team - he'd obviously be playing at a really high level for us and would likely have led us back to top half of the table, minimum. Very different to a loan which always has an in-permanent feel.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: danno on July 13, 2019, 02:39:03 PM
The Man City midfield when on song is the best in the country and possibly in Europe. So the level he has to play at, for Man City to even consider buying him back is very high indeed.

Another positive is that if he wants to go back there, the chances of him acting up and throwing a strop are fairly remote. The Man City dressing room is as professional as any that I can recall.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: oldtimernow on July 13, 2019, 03:01:21 PM
Think we could get Alexander Armstrong to announce his arrival?


Hey Dugeeeeeee

ps I know he doesn't actually say it
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: in exile on July 13, 2019, 04:03:24 PM
The return of (a) Deadly Doug
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Hinckley Dave on July 13, 2019, 06:54:58 PM
So we eventually after all these years sign not one but two Brazilians. What exotic name do the youngsters get to put on their shirts...Wesley or Douglas!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: darren woolley on July 13, 2019, 07:18:30 PM
He looks a good player from the YouTube video's should be a good addition to our team and hopefully with the buy back clause he helps keeps us in the Premier League and Man City find somebody else who they prefer in his position.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dazvillain on July 14, 2019, 01:24:38 PM
Wats the hold up with any official announcement with this one ?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2019, 01:28:06 PM
Wats the hold up with any official announcement with this one ?

I imagine work permit and international clearance.  International clearance for Engels too.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 01:32:48 PM
Judging by the Weselinho signing, we would announce that we had agreed a deal and were waiting on a work permit, if that was the case.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2019, 01:58:38 PM
He looks a good player from the YouTube video's should be a good addition to our team and hopefully with the buy back clause he helps keeps us in the Premier League and Man City find somebody else who they prefer in his position.

Help keep us in the PL?! We're on our way to the top Daz, the tippity top!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 03:33:46 PM
Has Douglas joined up with the guys in the USA? Percy mentioned that he was supposed to join the guys today? Any news on Engels??
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2019, 03:47:28 PM
They were both meant to fly out there. Hopefully signed by Wednesday. Iíll send you lot a report if I see him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 04:16:48 PM
They were both meant to fly out there. Hopefully signed by Wednesday. Iíll send you lot a report if I see him.

Ok, thanks - hopefully they're joined by Neal Maupay!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 04:19:01 PM
I can't imagine Luiz will be flying out as we would have to wait for a work permit for him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2019, 04:25:58 PM
I can't imagine Luiz will be flying out as we would have to wait for a work permit for him.

From when Percy broke the story

Big breaking news from #avfc. A £15m deal for @ManCity midfielder Douglas Luiz is close. The Brazilian is flying out to join the squad in USA telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/Ö via @telefootball
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2019, 04:51:03 PM
If Man City couldn't get a work permit for him, how will we?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: themossman on July 14, 2019, 05:05:43 PM
Guessing there are some differences that take him over the line like top earners at the club?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: London Villan on July 14, 2019, 05:08:03 PM
Is anyone from here out there with the team on that VIP deal?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 05:16:05 PM
If Man City couldn't get a work permit for him, how will we?

He has played a full season in a top league, and would be in the top few per cent of transfer fees and of wages at Villa. They paid less, albeit not by much, and he wouldn't be anywhere near their one of their top earners.

If it went down to arbitration we would also be in a better position to argue that he would be an asset to the club as we have far less valuable players ahead of him in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 14, 2019, 05:33:25 PM
If Man City couldn't get a work permit for him, how will we?

He has played a full season in a top league, and would be in the top few per cent of transfer fees and of wages at Villa. They paid less, albeit not by much, and he wouldn't be anywhere near their one of their top earners.

If it went down to arbitration we would also be in a better position to argue that he would be an asset to the club as we have far less valuable players ahead of him in the pecking order.

Is it not that points are also allocated for a transfer, meaning the very act of Villa buying him pushes him over the threshold of points required for a permit?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 05:53:26 PM
Only if he is withing the top so many per cent of transfer fees. We are only paying about £3 million more than they paid for him so not that different, and prices have, presumably, gone up since then.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: ktvillan on July 14, 2019, 06:18:52 PM
Does that mean then that if City want to exercise the buy back clause in the future, in order to retain his work permit he would have to be in the top few earners and top few transfer fees for them?  If so that suggest s a hefty buy back fee would be required.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Smirker on July 14, 2019, 06:22:38 PM
Does that mean then that if City want to exercise the buy back clause in the future, in order to retain his work permit he would have to be in the top few earners and top few transfer fees for them?  If so that suggest s a hefty buy back fee would be required.

If they wanted to buy him back you'd assume he'd be a regular for Brazil by then so they wouldn't need to pay stupid money for him surely.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: LukeJames on July 14, 2019, 06:34:51 PM
He's in Minneapolis according to a twitter video
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2019, 06:48:03 PM
He's in Minneapolis according to a twitter video

I think itís actually Eastie on his shoulder filming as they walk together through the Mall of America.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 07:53:04 PM
Good news if Douglas is there!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 14, 2019, 07:57:16 PM
Stalker alert. Found him on insta, and it is indeed him (story)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: darren woolley on July 15, 2019, 09:33:58 AM
I hope we sign him today what is the time difference over there.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2019, 09:42:12 AM
I hope we sign him today what is the time difference over there.

6 hours behind us
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: darren woolley on July 15, 2019, 09:43:43 AM
I hope we sign him today what is the time difference over there.

6 hours behind us

Cheers
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 16, 2019, 01:05:17 PM
According to Birmingham Live Douglas is with the squad at the Minnesota training base?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: not3bad on July 16, 2019, 02:07:43 PM
According to Birmingham Live Douglas is with the squad at the Minnesota training base?

Yes he arrived there yesterday according to his instagram feed!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2019, 05:25:44 PM
Watching the video Douglas needs to clearly go Back To The Fro
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: KevinGage on July 16, 2019, 05:59:14 PM
Interesting reading this from Pep:  clicktown (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-transfers-douglas-luiz-16574431)

Quote
ďThe manager from Brazil (Tite) and myself know more than the guys who decide he is not able to play. I am so sad and disappointed for Douglas because he could help us, play with us. He has shown many good things in training sessions and the reason why we spent a lot of money to buy him is because he is a player with a huge capacity to play for us.Ē
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: KRS on July 16, 2019, 11:15:04 PM
Sounds like they will more than likely activate the buy back clause if he turns out to be as good for us as much as they rate him. All we can do is see how this pans out and enjoy watching an amazing player no matter how long he is with us for.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Eckybloke on July 16, 2019, 11:56:34 PM
Like others have said, if he stays one season and keeps us up heís earned us another £100million. If he then goes back to Man City for £15 million, weíre £85 million better off and Dean/Jesus etc have had a year to find an adequate replacement.
Difference is, I trust them at this point to do that.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dazvillain on July 17, 2019, 12:28:14 AM
Engels announced now, do we think there is an issue with work Ďpermit For Douglas ? If not , why[ not announced too ?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2019, 12:36:56 AM
Like others have said, if he stays one season and keeps us up heís earned us another £100million. If he then goes back to Man City for £15 million, weíre £85 million better off and Dean/Jesus etc have had a year to find an adequate replacement.
Difference is, I trust them at this point to do that.

I think there will be a tidy profit in there for us if he is brilliant. I read that often the buy back goes up each summer after the transfer in these kind of deals. I think it will likely be a couple of seasons before Man City come back for him anyway, so we can enjoy him while we have him and scout alternatives in the meantime.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2019, 08:03:28 AM
If Man City buy him back, we could just go and get Phillips when Leeds inevitably mess up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 17, 2019, 08:12:27 AM
Engels announced now, do we think there is an issue with work Ďpermit For Douglas ? If not , why[ not announced too ?

Suspect he'll be announced today in tandem with the away kit launch which is happening over Stateside
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: kieron on July 17, 2019, 08:17:18 AM

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Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2019, 08:19:15 AM
Isn't this buy back clause an example of what they specifically said we would not do? Develop players for other clubs?

A bit like a loan except it costs us £15m of it doesn't go well?

Not saying I don't want us to get him but this seems to be massively contrary to the sort of deal they said they wanted.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: frank black on July 17, 2019, 08:25:53 AM
Isn't this buy back clause an example of what they specifically said we would not do? Develop players for other clubs?

A bit like a loan except it costs us £15m of it doesn't go well?

Not saying I don't want us to get him but this seems to be massively contrary to the sort of deal they said they wanted.


Depends upon the clause really. I would expect that we will make a profit on this deal even after taking wages into account. Itís not ideal though, I agree.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 17, 2019, 08:27:11 AM
The only way it costs us 15mn is if he bombs and ends up leaving us on a free at the end of his contract.  I expect that is highly unlikely based on how highly rated he is....
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 17, 2019, 08:44:23 AM
They do want him back to replace Fernandinho and also Rodri. They double up on the buy back clause. They would play him now if they could. It isn't a bad fall back position when your other target is a bloke Leeds are taking the piss on a transfer fee for.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: ktvillan on July 17, 2019, 08:45:06 AM
It's obviously a ploy for Citeh to get around the work permit issue, but it sounds like a win-win.  We get a potentially top notch midfielder for at least a season, we'll get our money back plus, presumably,  some profit, Citeh get their player back.  We also have at least a year to source a replacement or two.  Only downside is if he turns out to be shite, which seems unlikely.  I know it isn't ideal to be developing other team's players but we get something out of it and we shouldn't cut off our noses to spite our faces.  Loans  last year is the reason why we are in the PL int he first place.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 17, 2019, 08:49:11 AM
If he is shite they buy him back anyway at cost price is how I would have  structured such a deal. Fuck it, he looks good, let's watch him play.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: andyh on July 17, 2019, 09:00:51 AM
Letís get him signed before we start worrying about buy back clauses or whatever.
Its not a done deal yet.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: hipkiss92 on July 17, 2019, 09:03:43 AM
It's no different to a buy out clause in anyone's contract, other than this one applies specifically to Man City. Nothing stopping other clubs coming in for him if he turns out to be really good, we just won't have to accept their offers.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: chrisw1 on July 17, 2019, 09:05:27 AM
It's a good cheap way to get what looks like a top notch player for a season or 2.  We're already at c £100m spend, so where we can significantly improve the squad by being creative like this it has to be a good thing.  IF we stay up for a few seasons, hopefully we'll be buying players like this with no strings attached.  In the meantime, the absolute priority is to stay up and get another year of PL riches under our belt, and if Douggie contributes to that, then that's fantastic.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 17, 2019, 09:05:41 AM
Interesting update from Ashley Preece up there - suggesting the deal is no-where near as done as the BBC reports last Friday were suggesting, or he is being spun a line by the club until this afternoon.....
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2019, 09:08:43 AM
Isn't this buy back clause an example of what they specifically said we would not do? Develop players for other clubs?

A bit like a loan except it costs us £15m of it doesn't go well?

Not saying I don't want us to get him but this seems to be massively contrary to the sort of deal they said they wanted.

If it's the only way for us to get a player who could be world class, I don't see the harm. I won't be keen on these sort of moves when we are competing with Man City. That's not likely to happen for a good while though, even if you're incredibly optimistic. And even then, he can at least play against them, unlike a loan deal.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 17, 2019, 09:32:48 AM
"Down to player now I believe." This doesn't sound done at all. If true that Luiz has gone home to assess his options, no guarantees he'll sign.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: themossman on July 17, 2019, 09:35:42 AM
I like the fact that (apparently) we have had the piss taken on transfer fees and have responded by walking away and moving on to a plan B involving different sorts of deals and markets.

On one level itís a failure to stick to a stated plan, but I see it as a smart response to the situation we were in. In future it should also make selling clubs realise weíre happy to walk away from an inflated fee. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2019, 09:48:35 AM
"Down to player now I believe." This doesn't sound done at all. If true that Luiz has gone home to assess his options, no guarantees he'll sign.

All he's really saying there that's useful is that he's been told that he flew home after holding talks. We don't know if that's really true and if it is we don't have a timescale on when that was, it could have been at the end of last week. I wouldn't worry, some reports a couple of days ago were saying he was there training with the squad.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: frank black on July 17, 2019, 09:56:15 AM
It's no different to a buy out clause in anyone's contract, other than this one applies specifically to Man City. Nothing stopping other clubs coming in for him if he turns out to be really good, we just won't have to accept their offers.

But Man city could. A team makes the offer to Man city, they buy back the player and then sell him on...Bingo Man City make the profit on the sale over and above the buy back clause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 17, 2019, 09:59:35 AM
Once he's played for the best team in the world, he won't want to go anywhere else, including Man city.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2019, 10:07:03 AM
I donít look at this as developing a player for another team. For me itís no different to us maybe one day selling Jack to Man City, Barcelona or Real Madrid. In essence we have developed him and will possibly sell him up the football food chain. Just in the car of Douglas we know where he might go back to if he does well for us. With a loan you donít make a profit but at least in this case we will.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Brassneck on July 17, 2019, 10:09:39 AM
Good point about the buy out clause.  Itís effectively only the same as any other buy out clause.  Not ideal as we lose control to a certain extent but probably the only way to entice a player here of his quality and at this point in time.

Biggest worry for me is that while this is up in the air, someone else could come in.  £15 million is a steal in todayís market.

Hopefully we can get this done, alternatively, we can always fall back on Philips.  That said, the potential of watching Douglas has really grown on me.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2019, 10:10:35 AM
It's no different to a buy out clause in anyone's contract, other than this one applies specifically to Man City. Nothing stopping other clubs coming in for him if he turns out to be really good, we just won't have to accept their offers.

But Man city could. A team makes the offer to Man city, they buy back the player and then sell him on...Bingo Man City make the profit on the sale over and above the buy back clause.

Don't FIFA regulations ban playing for three clubs in one year?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 17, 2019, 10:11:14 AM
do we know how much the buy out clause is ??
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2019, 10:27:57 AM
It's no different to a buy out clause in anyone's contract, other than this one applies specifically to Man City. Nothing stopping other clubs coming in for him if he turns out to be really good, we just won't have to accept their offers.

But Man city could. A team makes the offer to Man city, they buy back the player and then sell him on...Bingo Man City make the profit on the sale over and above the buy back clause.

Don't FIFA regulations ban playing for three clubs in one year?

In this scenario he wouldn't actually play for Man City though?

He'd be registered with three, but that's not uncommon. Bolasie played for us and Anderlecht last year while being registered as an Everton player for example.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: themossman on July 17, 2019, 10:34:30 AM
I donít look at this as developing a player for another team. For me itís no different to us maybe one day selling Jack to Man City, Barcelona or Real Madrid. In essence we have developed him and will possibly sell him up the football food chain. Just in the car of Douglas we know where he might go back to if he does well for us. With a loan you donít make a profit but at least in this case we will.

Good point - would we, with the benefit of hindsight, have said no to the chance to develop Benteke for a few years for Liverpool/Palace? Teams don't ever really own players and rightly so. Is a (say) 2 year deal for a player that different from a loan. Or even a longer permanent contract given a player can and will force a move if they want to.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 17, 2019, 10:38:52 AM
A bit of a worry if he's left the USA without signing. Maybe another club has entered the fray?  Hopefully not, and it's just a case of tying up the loose ends...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Diablo on July 17, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
I really hope he has signed and the club are just waiting for clearance before they announce it like they did with Moraes?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: chrisw1 on July 17, 2019, 10:46:59 AM
Then why wouldn't he be training with us?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 17, 2019, 10:49:07 AM
Then why wouldn't he be training with us?

Presumably without a work permit that would be illegal, and especially in Trump's USA!!  He'd be over the wall to Mexico before he knew it!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Diablo on July 17, 2019, 10:50:27 AM
Then why wouldn't he be training with us?
Maybe it's a red tape/process? Are you allowed to train with a club when you've not got clearance to play/work in the country?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Richard E on July 17, 2019, 11:16:42 AM
Some suggestion heís over here with the clubís liaison officer house hunting etc while the paperwork is finalised.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2019, 11:17:31 AM
Another suggestion is that we're waiting to tie it in with the kit launch later. There's no rush is there?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 17, 2019, 11:18:35 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/TMH3nWh/Main-Window.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TMH3nWh)


bit quiet mate. you ok?  you need to talk?

I am sure he will sign
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2019, 11:26:28 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/TMH3nWh/Main-Window.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TMH3nWh)


bit quiet mate. you ok?  you need to talk?

I am sure he will sign


I liked Kierons 'non quote'. I found it tantalizingly enigmatic.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2019, 11:30:09 AM
Some suggestion he’s over here with the club’s liaison officer house hunting etc while the paperwork is finalised.

With how thorough medicals are these days, you would think that would all be done over here too.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: mallo on July 17, 2019, 11:34:58 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/TMH3nWh/Main-Window.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TMH3nWh)


bit quiet mate. you ok?  you need to talk?

I am sure he will sign


I liked Kierons 'non quote'. I found it tantalizingly enigmatic.

It's almost like the piece of music with no music in it.

On topic, since he's in the States and we haven't heard anything untoward, I'm staying positive.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2019, 11:48:30 AM
Maybe it would be done at Milwaukee Bucks?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: The Edge on July 17, 2019, 07:03:01 PM
I just hope he's not this seasons Joe "double crossing cnut" Bryan
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2019, 07:40:07 PM
Why are some panicking over this? There is a work permit to be resolved. Heís probably discussed terms. The price is agreed. I donít see an issue.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: KRS on July 17, 2019, 07:47:53 PM
SSN just said heís flown back and itís still work in progress so shouldnít be any problems as long as the work permit is sorted.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: The Edge on July 17, 2019, 08:25:13 PM
SSN just said heís flown back and itís still work in progress so shouldnít be any problems as long as the work permit is sorted.
He should rest. His arms must be killing him. .....

I'll get my coat
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: LeeB on July 17, 2019, 08:52:43 PM
SSN just said heís flown back and itís still work in progress so shouldnít be any problems as long as the work permit is sorted.
He should rest. His arms must be killing him. .....

I'll get my coat

It's a good sign though, I doubt even McGinn can fly.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2019, 09:04:32 PM
Why are some panicking over this? There is a work permit to be resolved. Heís probably discussed terms. The price is agreed. I donít see an issue.

Has he stretched the shirt yet?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: stubbsyandy on July 17, 2019, 09:35:29 PM
Heís not coming
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2019, 09:38:28 PM
Heís not coming

Has this been announced?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2019, 09:53:36 PM
Heís not coming

Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Diablo on July 17, 2019, 10:00:56 PM
Heís not coming
I should never have watched that video.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: aev on July 17, 2019, 10:04:26 PM
Someone better tell Purslow as hasnít he just said that nobody has turned us down?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: themossman on July 17, 2019, 10:12:35 PM
A week ago I was googling this guy, Iíve spent all week convincing myself weíre not getting shafted by this buy back clause, but now I can safely say that it he doesnít sign Iíll kill myself.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2019, 10:17:14 PM
Hi style of play would really suit both Jack and SJM, so I hope that this IS happening!  Why couldn't someone ask Christian Purlow just to tip us the wink about this one?  I know he said that 'no-one had turned us down', I hope that includes Douglas.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: KRS on July 17, 2019, 10:17:27 PM
Heís not coming
You canít just walk in, drop a stinking turd in the middle of the room and walk out like nothing happened.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: phantom limb on July 17, 2019, 10:18:14 PM
Heís not coming

Calm down
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 17, 2019, 10:20:28 PM
The last I heard on the rumour underground was that he was granted a work permit for us.

Which led me then to question as to why he wouldnít be granted one for Manchester City?

So... to me itís like going on a date with a stunning woman, beautiful, intelligent, flirty etc... only to find that sheís in a perfectly happy relationship in the first place.

That said, I would love him to join us. Really love it - but we shall see in due time.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2019, 10:32:18 PM
The last I heard on the rumour underground was that he was granted a work permit for us.

Which led me then to question as to why he wouldnít be granted one for Manchester City?

So... to me itís like going on a date with a stunning woman, beautiful, intelligent, flirty etc... only to find that sheís in a perfectly happy relationship in the first place.

We will see if this happens or not now. I would love him to join - heís exactly what we need in this team. And he was apparently training with the team in the USA but it all stands for nothing if he decides to stay put.

The theory is that he would only be eligible for a work permit if a transfer took place, because he'd play most games for us, but wouldn't at Man City.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 17, 2019, 10:34:58 PM
man city paid for him two years ago, so that is no longer relevant.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2019, 10:38:09 PM
I also highly doubt that he did train with the squad as he hasn't yet signed and wouldn't risk injury. Perhaps he visited, had a medical, spoke to Deano and left again to consider his option, singular: stay out on loan and bum from club to club like some footballing vagrant, or, join the very best football team on the planet.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: brontebilly on July 17, 2019, 10:48:11 PM
Has anyone here seen this guy play for Girona?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2019, 11:05:11 PM
Yeah, did the Gironoians want to keep him for another season?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2019, 11:33:55 PM
Have to say I'll be very disappointed if we don't get him now. At least there's no X FC to "hijack the Luiz deal" rumours online.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 17, 2019, 11:37:15 PM
Have to say I'll be very disappointed if we don't get him now. At least there's no X FC to "hijack the Luiz deal" rumours online.

Levy: "Hold my beer."
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: in exile on July 18, 2019, 10:42:05 AM
It's not going to happen, is it?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: ajmant on July 18, 2019, 10:43:35 AM
No, I don't think so although I would like to be pleasantly surprised. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Monty on July 18, 2019, 10:47:00 AM
Remember how long it took to get Wesley's work permit? We'll be fine.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 18, 2019, 10:48:38 AM
As Mr Woodhall started this thread, I have full confidence that he will sign.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Border villan on July 18, 2019, 11:59:30 AM
As Mr Woodhall started this thread, I have full confidence that he will sign.
Dave is a touch past his prime, why would we sign him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 18, 2019, 12:15:38 PM
Remember how long it took to get Wesley's work permit? We'll be fine.

We announced that he had signed subject to a work permit. We haven't done so with Luiz suggesting that another issue or issues also need to be resolved.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: villadelph on July 18, 2019, 02:37:40 PM
Remember how long it took to get Wesley's work permit? We'll be fine.

We announced that he had signed subject to a work permit. We haven't done so with Luiz suggesting that another issue or issues also need to be resolved.

It's down to Douglas now. I don't know why one would jet over to Minnesota, which isn't exactly Los Angeles, just to reneg.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Axl Rose on July 18, 2019, 02:44:58 PM
Girona have signed a Leeds midfielder. Could be due to Douglas joining us.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: CT Villan on July 18, 2019, 02:53:06 PM
Would imagine Pablo Hernandez would be more likely for a Spanish club, but who knows ?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 18, 2019, 02:54:11 PM
As Mr Woodhall started this thread, I have full confidence that he will sign.
Dave is a touch past his prime, why would we sign him.

Good point.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdward on July 18, 2019, 02:56:52 PM
Heís not coming
Ohh yes he is...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: stubbsyandy on July 18, 2019, 03:08:56 PM
I hope so, then my reverse psychology will have worked!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: oldtimernow on July 18, 2019, 03:14:47 PM
Is a work permit linked to just one employer?

Wouldn't be happy if we've been used as a stalking horse.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 18, 2019, 04:55:25 PM
On VT, apparently an Estate Agent's Manager has been showing Douglas around flats in Sutton Coldfield all day??
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 18, 2019, 05:02:21 PM
On VT, apparently an Estate Agent's Manager has been showing Douglas around flats in Sutton Coldfield all day??
and as someone stated ......since when do you believe what an estate agent says :)
Apologies to any Estate Agents who post on here
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2019, 05:10:54 PM
I wont believe it till somebody finds out what wine they serve st his favourite restaurant.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 18, 2019, 05:12:00 PM
ITSOTP!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: TheMalandro on July 18, 2019, 05:33:59 PM
I wont believe it till somebody finds out what wine they serve st his favourite restaurant.

I'm more than happy to check out the wine list at his favourite rodŪzio.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Breezeblock on July 18, 2019, 05:42:56 PM
ITSOTP!
Pics or GTFO :)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2019, 06:03:11 PM
I wont believe it till somebody finds out what wine they serve st his favourite restaurant.

Calling Eastie to the Douglas Luiz thread to confirm the soup he is having with his choice of vintage and where if there is a Mrs Douglas, where she is shopping right now in Bull Ring.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 18, 2019, 06:23:44 PM
On VT, apparently an Estate Agent's Manager has been showing Douglas around flats in Sutton Coldfield all day??
and as someone stated ......since when do you believe what an estate agent says :)
Apologies to any Estate Agents who post on here

A mate of mine in Shanghai was a Spurs fan and his cousin was the designated estate agent liaison person for Spurs. He somehow also knew Harry and Jamie Redknapp so I had a 24 hr advance nod on Jenas and Hutton signing for us.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 19, 2019, 01:40:12 PM
On VT, apparently an Estate Agent's Manager has been showing Douglas around flats in Sutton Coldfield all day??
and as someone stated ......since when do you believe what an estate agent says :)
Apologies to any Estate Agents who post on here

A mate of mine in Shanghai was a Spurs fan and his cousin was the designated estate agent liaison person for Spurs. He somehow also knew Harry and Jamie Redknapp so I had a 24 hr advance nod on Jenas and Hutton signing for us.

I'd forgotten all about Jermain Jenas ever playing for us, I saw his one and only start vs Man Utd, he tripped over and we never saw him again.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 19, 2019, 01:55:15 PM
He will sign, everyone needs to chill
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Smirker on July 19, 2019, 02:06:32 PM
He will sign, everyone needs to chill

Correct. Probably just some paper work to sort. I expect the announcement next week.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 19, 2019, 08:23:25 PM
He will sign, everyone needs to chill
Of all the players linked to us he is the one that excites me the most -  have only seen brief snippets of him but he looks the type of player that will have fans on the edge of their seats
Please let it happen - it will go some way to making up missing out on Juhnino all those years ago
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Ian. on July 19, 2019, 08:55:34 PM
Me too, heís just what we need and might well be the difference between being good or actually very very good.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2019, 09:17:12 PM
Can someone ask Percy for an update via twitter please?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Keeno on July 19, 2019, 09:24:59 PM
His personal trainer just posted a pic of him in the gym on instagram 'preparing him for the premier league' and tagged the Villa account.

So it's 100% happening. Right?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2019, 09:26:21 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1152307040485875716?s=09

I reckon so Keeno, we can all relax now !!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2019, 09:44:15 PM
Can someone ask Percy for an update via twitter please?

Not sure he's on twitter and he tends to post more on the music threads these days.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2019, 10:23:37 PM
Can someone ask Percy for an update via twitter please?

Not sure he's on twitter and he tends to post more on the music threads these days.

Fair enough mate, thanks.  Hopefully that picture of Douglas training and the tag to Villa (ish) means that this is happening.  this guy will put 5,000 extra on each home gate.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2019, 10:33:38 PM
That's great news, hopefully this gets confirmed soon and, once it is, I'd be happy with our midfield options, just a winger/striker (I really liked the look of Leao but he's gone elsewhere) and then a keeper if we can get a major upgrade. There would still be a few players we'd want to replace but you can't replace 15-16 players in a single window, it's just too much churn, even the work we've done now makes me nervous but at least Mings, Hause, El Ghazi have played for us before and Knosa and Jota have worked with Smith, that mitigates things to an extent. I'd much prefer to be making 2-3 signings (for the first team, can sign as many kids as they want) per window though really.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: KRS on July 19, 2019, 10:36:12 PM
Pray for Luiz 🙏🏻
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2019, 11:04:28 PM
The thought of Douglas Luiz in the same midfield as Jack Grealish

(https://i.ibb.co/sW30Csz/D4-B9-FC65-7-ED5-4-F63-BAD4-57-FE7-A409-D75.gif) (https://ibb.co/sW30Csz)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: themossman on July 19, 2019, 11:05:45 PM
And SJM. Thatís a central midfield of real quality.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2019, 11:06:43 PM
I hope you mean positive lol
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: b23 on July 19, 2019, 11:07:38 PM
I can't see this transfer not happening.

MCFC pushing him to sign, so that he gets a Work Permit.

Luiz thinking that if i sign, i get a Work Permit and Premier League football.

AVFC get to sign Douglas Luiz.

Each and every agenda is satisfied.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2019, 11:09:29 PM
And SJM. Thatís a central midfield of real quality.

and, I suspect, a fair bit of steel as well, all 3 seem to have that same overarching desire to win, and have fun doing it. I think it's true for a lot of our squad now and is why I'm really looking forward to seeing how this team progresses.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2019, 11:16:02 PM
It will be great when he tells 2nd placed Man City to get fucked in 2 years because he's staying with the champions, Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2019, 11:32:28 PM
It will be great when he tells 2nd placed Man City to get fucked in 2 years because he's staying with the champions, Aston Villa.

If they have a but back thing that wont happen. What I am concerned about is the coming season and will he help to keep us up
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2019, 11:45:58 PM
Weíre not playing for survival. I can tell you Dean Smith and Purslow have no desire to be involved in that. This isnít a Steve Bruce club full of excuses or the one that pathetically came down. We will compete for the top half of the table and finish somewhere in the middle. Fuck this relegation talk bollocks. No way we will be worse than Newcastle, Brighton, Sheff U, Norwich, Bournemouth, Burnley, Southampton. After that itís a little tougher in mid table mini league.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2019, 11:46:58 PM
It will be great when he tells 2nd placed Man City to get fucked in 2 years because he's staying with the champions, Aston Villa.

If they have a but back thing that wont happen. What I am concerned about is the coming season and will he help to keep us up

If they have the buy back thing he's still got to agree to move,  and why would you leave the champions that have just won their last 38 games?



** drink has been taken **
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 20, 2019, 12:50:05 AM
It will be great when he tells 2nd placed Man City to get fucked in 2 years because he's staying with the champions, Aston Villa.

If they have a but back thing that wont happen. What I am concerned about is the coming season and will he help to keep us up

We are not going down.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 20, 2019, 08:55:46 AM
So Douglas is back in Rio according to VT? Hopefully just awaiting his work permit to be confirmed. Need him at BMH asap to integrate with the rest of the squad. Next, get Maupay in!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2019, 09:19:31 AM
get Maupay in anyway.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2019, 09:32:26 AM
You cant be in the country you're applying for your work permit for. It's like doing 12 months in Aus  you have to nip to New Zeland to apply to extend it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dazvillain on July 20, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
get Maupay in anyway.
At the moment get any bloody goal scorers in !
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Baldy on July 20, 2019, 10:17:04 AM
Couldn't Luiz go to the Embassy of Brazil in London or the Consulate of Brazil in Manchester for a work permit? Havn't a clue myself but just thinking he could save on the air fare!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 20, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
Apparently his personal trainer has posted a picture of him in the gym saying "lets go, premier league" #avfc

Or something along those lines......
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2019, 10:29:40 AM
Couldn't Luiz go to the Embassy of Brazil in London or the Consulate of Brazil in Manchester for a work permit? Havn't a clue myself but just thinking he could save on the air fare!!
Itís not the Brazilian authority who will grant a work permit itís the British Home Office.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 20, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Couldn't Luiz go to the Embassy of Brazil in London or the Consulate of Brazil in Manchester for a work permit? Havn't a clue myself but just thinking he could save on the air fare!!
Itís not the Brazilian authority who will grant a work permit itís the British Home Office.


But he'd be out of the country, in a Julian Assange kinda way.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: darren woolley on July 20, 2019, 10:56:14 AM
Hope we get him signed up we need a player like him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 20, 2019, 10:58:25 AM
Couldn't Luiz go to the Embassy of Brazil in London or the Consulate of Brazil in Manchester for a work permit? Havn't a clue myself but just thinking he could save on the air fare!!
Itís not the Brazilian authority who will grant a work permit itís the British Home Office.


But he'd be out of the country, in a Julian Assange kinda way.
"On foreign soil" is the term you're looking for, I think.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: old man villa fan on July 20, 2019, 12:08:29 PM
Couldn't Luiz go to the Embassy of Brazil in London or the Consulate of Brazil in Manchester for a work permit? Havn't a clue myself but just thinking he could save on the air fare!!
Itís not the Brazilian authority who will grant a work permit itís the British Home Office.

He will need a business visa which would be granted based on the work permit. The visa would have to be done outside UK.  As it is very clear that his intention of entering the UK is for work, he couldn't come on a tourist visa and then change.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: andyh on July 20, 2019, 12:51:06 PM
Percy saying deal to be concluded in next few days, subject to work permit.
Job done then !
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2019, 01:01:59 PM
Percy's lovely isn't he? Frequently brings us such good news. Big fan of Paul Weller too.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 20, 2019, 01:30:46 PM
Percy saying deal to be concluded in next few days, subject to work permit.
Job done then !


I can get him a few hours down my shop If he needs help with a work permit.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2019, 02:15:14 PM
Couldn't Luiz go to the Embassy of Brazil in London or the Consulate of Brazil in Manchester for a work permit? Havn't a clue myself but just thinking he could save on the air fare!!
Itís not the Brazilian authority who will grant a work permit itís the British Home Office.


But he'd be out of the country, in a Julian Assange kinda way.
Haha. We need Prince William to order Border Force to set up a temporary desk on the pavement outside the Brazilian Embassy in London and Dougie can get exit stamp on his passport, walk into the building and then post his passport to the British Embassy in Rio for work visa and once they post it back he can walkout and obtain entry into UK through the temporary Border Force desk. Easy really.... ;D
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 20, 2019, 02:34:36 PM
Takes a flask, some cheese and tomato sarnies, maybe a KitKat or Double Decker, whatever's his fancy, something to read, all good. Bish bosh, job done.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Risso on July 20, 2019, 02:37:50 PM
This is why we need peter w back on the site.  I'm sure he could rubber stamp Luiz's application while nobody was looking.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2019, 03:19:15 PM
He was sacked a bit harshly, Mr W.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 20, 2019, 03:35:47 PM
As mentioned the other day, everyone can chill. He will be done early this week
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 22, 2019, 07:20:43 PM
It is sorted. Stop papping your trousers. Goalie and striker to go.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Smirker on July 22, 2019, 07:35:23 PM
Butland and Icardi and we are done.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: KRS on July 22, 2019, 08:07:17 PM
It is sorted. Stop papping your trousers. Goalie and striker to go.
Confirmed?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 22, 2019, 08:39:22 PM
It is sorted. Stop papping your trousers. Goalie and striker to go.
Confirmed?

You don't need confirmation. If Chelts says it is sorted. You know there is a 60% chance it will get sorted.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2019, 08:41:26 PM
ď100% successful, 80% of the timeĒ
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2019, 10:35:41 PM
It is sorted. Stop papping your trousers. Goalie and striker to go.

Luiz, Trezeguet and two decent signings in the positions mentioned above and I think we will have to go with that. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2019, 11:24:56 AM
Hopefully this one gets done soon.

This is the signing I am most excited about - it's the one I can see having the greatest impact on how we play.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: andyh on July 24, 2019, 11:41:25 AM
It is sorted. Stop papping your trousers. Goalie and striker to go.
If chelts tells us itís done, itís done.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Mister E on July 24, 2019, 11:50:55 AM
Hopefully this one gets done soon.

This is the signing I am most excited about - it's the one I can see having the greatest impact on how we play.
Absolutely agree that this role is critical to us.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2019, 11:55:03 AM
Let there be light!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 24, 2019, 01:10:15 PM
Is Douglas training with the squad.?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2019, 01:35:56 PM
No. He is training alone with his personal trainer who post pics on Twitter and Instagram tagging Villa. This is a done deal as soon as the work permit is worked out. It's more complex than Trezeguet because one is a proven international with loads of caps and the other isn't.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 01:40:15 PM
Posts I've seen have four Lion emojis at the bottom. So, unless he's signing for Millwall, I think this'll happen eventually
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 24, 2019, 01:58:29 PM
Posts I've seen have four Lion emojis at the bottom. So, unless he's signing for Millwall, I think this'll happen eventually

we have signed th e Egyptian king and next the Lion King
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2019, 02:12:44 PM
We don't need no African Car Reverser nor no Togolese Zidane!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: purpletrousers on July 24, 2019, 02:58:57 PM
We don't need no African Car Reverser nor no Togolese Zidane!
Need to check the birth places of our Egyptians to see if they are African or Asian continent, presumably within Egypt you can transform into an Asian Car Reverser in the same manoeuvre? Do we we have the Geography teacher equivalent of Bad English on here?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 24, 2019, 04:12:29 PM
Let there be light!

Almost, except there's no i in light.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2019, 04:20:31 PM
We don't need no African Car Reverser nor no Togolese Zidane!
Need to check the birth places of our Egyptians to see if they are African or Asian continent, presumably within Egypt you can transform into an Asian Car Reverser in the same manoeuvre? Do we we have the Geography teacher equivalent of Bad English on here?

Both of our Egyptians were born firmly in the African bit, so qualify for ACR status.

As as an aside, is there any other country in the world that has 'ology' appended to it when talking about the study of it?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 24, 2019, 05:55:38 PM
We don't need no African Car Reverser nor no Togolese Zidane!
Need to check the birth places of our Egyptians to see if they are African or Asian continent, presumably within Egypt you can transform into an Asian Car Reverser in the same manoeuvre? Do we we have the Geography teacher equivalent of Bad English on here?

Both of our Egyptians were born firmly in the African bit, so qualify for ACR status.

As as an aside, is there any other country in the world that has 'ology' appended to it when talking about the study of it?

Sinology - China is the only one I can think of.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2019, 06:00:18 PM
Teasing us now

(https://i.ibb.co/sbx2tMQ/41948941-F555-49-D0-AFF5-E3-CA2-B7-F3378.png) (https://ibb.co/sbx2tMQ)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 06:23:08 PM
We don't need no African Car Reverser nor no Togolese Zidane!
Need to check the birth places of our Egyptians to see if they are African or Asian continent, presumably within Egypt you can transform into an Asian Car Reverser in the same manoeuvre? Do we we have the Geography teacher equivalent of Bad English on here?

Both of our Egyptians were born firmly in the African bit, so qualify for ACR status.

As as an aside, is there any other country in the world that has 'ology' appended to it when talking about the study of it?

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2019, 06:47:42 PM
Let there be light!

Almost, except there's no i in light.
Fuck! What with confusing El Ghazi and Elmohamady, I'm having a bad day. You might call me a Luzer.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2019, 06:58:25 PM
We don't need no African Car Reverser nor no Togolese Zidane!
Need to check the birth places of our Egyptians to see if they are African or Asian continent, presumably within Egypt you can transform into an Asian Car Reverser in the same manoeuvre? Do we we have the Geography teacher equivalent of Bad English on here?

Both of our Egyptians were born firmly in the African bit, so qualify for ACR status.

As as an aside, is there any other country in the world that has 'ology' appended to it when talking about the study of it?

Sinology - China is the only one I can think of.
Japanology, Iranology, Assyriology, Tibetology
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 24, 2019, 07:04:18 PM
Armenology, Byzantinology, Indology.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 24, 2019, 07:16:38 PM
Democratic Republic of the Congology.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2019, 07:17:28 PM
Oh great, a fucking punology!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 24, 2019, 07:36:08 PM
Oh great, a fucking punology!

Agree, not on subject
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: AVH87 on July 24, 2019, 07:36:48 PM
Will Brexit impact these sort of signings in future? Or only EU based ones?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 24, 2019, 08:10:28 PM
It would make no difference to players without a passport from an EU/EEA country. They will be subject to work permit requirements as they are now. Theoretically, the EU players could be too (with the probable exception of UK, Gibraltar and Ireland).
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Louzie0 on July 24, 2019, 08:30:20 PM
Our favourite, Philology

Phillippines👍
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: purpletrousers on July 24, 2019, 09:54:00 PM
We don't need no African Car Reverser nor no Togolese Zidane!
Need to check the birth places of our Egyptians to see if they are African or Asian continent, presumably within Egypt you can transform into an Asian Car Reverser in the same manoeuvre? Do we we have the Geography teacher equivalent of Bad English on here?

Both of our Egyptians were born firmly in the African bit, so qualify for ACR status.

As as an aside, is there any other country in the world that has 'ology' appended to it when talking about the study of it?

Sinology - China is the only one I can think of.
Japanology, Iranology, Assyriology, Tibetology

Damn you Rissology, there was me meditating at the start of my weekly Buddhist group, and what does my mind start doing given the space? Tibetolog...Indology... AND Iím beaten to it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: purpletrousers on July 24, 2019, 09:55:45 PM
Democratic Republic of the Congology.

Jest ye not.

www.congology.net ďSITE D'ETUDES CONGOLAISESĒ
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Stu on July 24, 2019, 10:28:03 PM
Oh great, a fucking punology!

Agree, not on subject...

...ology
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: The Edge on July 24, 2019, 10:33:55 PM
Tom Ross on Talk Sport about an hour ago. He said he's pretty sure that we've done spending now. So he seems to think Luiz won't be coming.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: themossman on July 24, 2019, 10:40:26 PM
If weíre done spending Iíll eat my hat.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 24, 2019, 10:41:49 PM
Tom Ross on Talk Sport about an hour ago. He said he's pretty sure that we've done spending now. So he seems to think Luiz won't be coming.


He didnít even know monk was getting the old tin tack
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Des Little on July 24, 2019, 10:44:44 PM
Ron Toss doesnít know if heís having a shit or a haircut. Ignore.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 24, 2019, 10:50:56 PM
Democratic Republic of the Congology.

Jest ye not.

www.congology.net ďSITE D'ETUDES CONGOLAISESĒ

😂
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Smirker on July 24, 2019, 10:55:22 PM
I expect it to be announced by the weekend. I have nothing to go on BTW, this is just a feeling I have.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Dazvillain on July 24, 2019, 11:21:02 PM
How can we announce Trezeguet awaiting international clearance and visa and heís here , but we havenít with Luiz ?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: usav on July 24, 2019, 11:29:26 PM
How can we announce Trezeguet awaiting international clearance and visa and heís here , but we havenít with Luiz ?

I would imagine some clearances are just a matter of waiting for the paperwork to go through while some are infinitely more complicated and require more adjudication/lawyers etc.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2019, 11:30:25 PM
How can we announce Trezeguet awaiting international clearance and visa and heís here , but we havenít with Luiz ?

That leaked photo may have forced their hand on announcing it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2019, 11:30:51 PM
The leaked photo of Trez signing the contract last night probably forced their hands.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2019, 11:50:22 PM
I wonder whether the club is waiting for a physical appointment where they have to present their argument to a board of people and we just have to wait for that appointment?  Work permit turned down and we wait to see a board to put the appeal to them?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villafirst on July 25, 2019, 10:18:31 AM
No news today on Douglas?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: DrGonzo on July 25, 2019, 10:27:44 AM
How can we announce Trezeguet awaiting international clearance and visa and heís here , but we havenít with Luiz ?

Can we just deal with this one more time?  Luiz hasn't played enough full international matches to garauntee a work permit.  Trez has. That's a full stop. so is that...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2019, 11:17:28 AM
some reports from Belgium suggesting Nakamba is coming to us on loan. Maybe Option B if Doug doesn't get his WP?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2019, 11:21:49 AM
One or two fringe players likely to leave, hence us bringing In Nakamba?  Luiz still getting done but taking time. Two for every position.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 25, 2019, 11:34:35 AM


I think someone said Luiz's personal trainer said it would be announced next Monday
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Nelson Lodge on July 25, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
According to Transfermarket profiles both of similar height but Luiz is right footed and Nakamba is left footed.

This may or may not be relevant if looking to bring in both of them.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2019, 01:14:15 PM
Marvin Hagler might be an alternative to McGinn though primarily, with the possibility of playing in Douglas's position as well if needed. A bit like Jota coming in as an alternative to Grealish but can also play on the wing.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Ger Regan on July 25, 2019, 02:12:01 PM
And in case anyone needs further calming, Percy is also saying Luiz is on the way.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: kieron on July 25, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1154383344198717441


"We are delighted to confirm the signing of Douglas Luiz from Manchester City, subject to a work permit. ✍

👉 http://bit.ly/30XToGl

#WelcomeLuiz #ThursdayMotivation #AVFC https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1154383344198717441/photo/1"
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Yeltzer on July 25, 2019, 02:31:06 PM
Luiz confirmed on twitter official club account
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: kieron on July 25, 2019, 02:31:16 PM
Quote
Aston Villa is delighted to announce the signing of Douglas Luiz subject to a work permit.

The Brazilian midfielder arrives from Manchester City for an undisclosed fee.

Luiz was named Player of the Tournament at this summerís prestigious Toulon Tournament as he helped Brazil U21s win the competition.

Having come through the ranks at hometown club Vasco da Gama, Luiz was snapped up by City in 2017 although he never played a game for the reigning Premier League champions.

He spent the past two seasons on loan at Girona, racking up nearly 50 appearances for the Spanish side.

Head Coach Dean Smith said: ďDouglas is an extremely talented young player with an outstanding pedigree who I am sure will fit nicely into our style and system of play.Ē
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 02:31:50 PM
Now that is fantastic news!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: purpletrousers on July 25, 2019, 02:32:19 PM
Get in!!!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2019, 02:34:14 PM
Now this is the one I was hoping for!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Brassneck on July 25, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
Now this is the one I was hoping for!

Me too.

Absolutely delighted this has been confirmed.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 25, 2019, 02:36:11 PM
yikes another day of not concentrating on work and coming on here !!!  give myself another written warning !   looks a good player
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 25, 2019, 02:36:45 PM
Quote
Aston Villa is delighted to announce the signing of Douglas Luiz subject to a work permit.

The Brazilian midfielder arrives from Manchester City for an undisclosed fee.

Luiz was named Player of the Tournament at this summerís prestigious Toulon Tournament as he helped Brazil U21s win the competition.

Having come through the ranks at hometown club Vasco da Gama, Luiz was snapped up by City in 2017 although he never played a game for the reigning Premier League champions.

He spent the past two seasons on loan at Girona, racking up nearly 50 appearances for the Spanish side.

Head Coach Dean Smith said: ďDouglas is an extremely talented young player with an outstanding pedigree who I am sure will fit nicely into our style and system of play.Ē

We've got a system of play! Do you hear that Lambo, Timbo and, er, Stevo? A system of play! In your face.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Pete3206 on July 25, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
Brilliant news!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2019, 02:40:12 PM
Fekin YAY !!!! 😄😄
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2019, 02:41:34 PM
So on the day that Tom Ross says we're not buying anybody else, we announce two more signings?!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 02:44:02 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 25, 2019, 02:44:34 PM
if Tom Ross says something think the exact opposite and you won't be far wrong.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 25, 2019, 02:44:39 PM
Fuck yes!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 02:44:40 PM
Now that is fantastic news!

What a MARVELOUS day this is
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on July 25, 2019, 02:44:46 PM
So on the day that Tom Ross says we're not buying anybody else, we announce two more signings?!
EGGS -FACE - SPLAT!! SPLAT!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 25, 2019, 02:45:10 PM
So on the day that Tom Ross says we're not buying anybody else, we announce two more signings?!

I'm hoping he announces that the Tories are gonna win the next General Election. 😉
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 25, 2019, 02:46:38 PM
I can't keep up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2019, 02:47:20 PM
https://youtu.be/LAE46NyrWRI

First interview with Doug
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 02:47:42 PM
Ron Toss no longer has the inside track on local football, he lost that when his employers ditched local football coverage.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 02:50:35 PM
Really happy with this one, I think this was the most important position to fill this summer and from what I've seen Douglas is exactly the sort of player I was hoping for.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on July 25, 2019, 02:50:40 PM
Exciting options in the centre of the park, something we probably haven't had since Barry, Petrov, Milner, Delph etc. Really puts good competitive pressure on John and Conor, the latter I think might struggle to hold down a regular place.

Here's to a successful long loan  ;)

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 25, 2019, 02:50:48 PM
Ron Toss no longer has the inside track on local football, he lost that when his employers ditched local football coverage.


Maybe he meant starting from now ??

he should say nothing really 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Zouch Villa on July 25, 2019, 02:50:55 PM
Would it be wrong to call him deadly?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 02:52:42 PM
What a mature young man. And I didnít even realize he won Player of the Tournament for Brazil this summer. Awesome
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2019, 02:54:52 PM
Agreed TV.
I watched the interview and thought he looks a natural leader.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 25, 2019, 02:56:28 PM
This has made the transfer window in my opinion. Brilliant news.

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 25, 2019, 02:58:51 PM
This could be the best one of the summer, not just for us, but in the whole league. Looks to have a lot about him, can dictate the pattern of play, exciting times.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on July 25, 2019, 03:00:47 PM
Hands up! It was me who quoted Tom Ross yesterday.
#mental note to self: stop listening to twats like him and definitely don't quote him..
Welcome to the Villa Douglas Luiz. I'm very happy about this one. He sounds like a real prospect.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Zouch Villa on July 25, 2019, 03:01:50 PM
Really impressed with this signing, and his attitude seems spot on.

I might just get my thinning head of hair braided in his honour.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Ian. on July 25, 2019, 03:08:33 PM
Superb! Really excited about this fella. He looks like the perfect fit to sit behind our free flowing midfielders and in front of our ball playing defenders.

If we pull this off and play to the same high tempo as last season with this extra quality, this could really be some turnaround from the turgid shite we have witnessed for so long. Those who go regularly to the games could be in for such an exciting period for us. I must say I will be quite jealous! Maybe one day when all my brood are older I can justify the expense of live football again.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: pooligan on July 25, 2019, 03:12:35 PM
I would'nt expect anything else from Tom Toss,he is a bluenose after all
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 03:16:54 PM
I would like to see Brazilian flags down VP this season.

Christ the Redeemer statue unveiled outside the refurbished North Stand.

The half time entertainment should feature Capoeira performers.

Beer will be removed from the menu and replaced by Caipirinha.

It will be like watching Brazil 🇧🇷
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2019, 03:17:54 PM
Yes, get in.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 03:20:44 PM
Agreed TV.
I watched the interview and thought he looks a natural leader.

Think of the lift in morale for our squad right now. Ok panning Walsall isnít a celebration moment but it builds confidence. But now to roll into Bodymoor today to find not did we secure Trezeguet the night before but now Douglas and hopefully soon Marvellous. They must just on cloud nine
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on July 25, 2019, 03:28:29 PM
I canít believe all thatís happening ! Although really excited, why do we need marvellous, Luiz on top of HOURIHANE with new contract plus Konsa and Engels can play dfm..... we are still extremely light in quality no 9 position after Wesley and big part Kodjia

So why do we need so much money spent on dfm ?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on July 25, 2019, 03:32:53 PM
I canít believe all thatís happening ! Although really excited, why do we need marvellous, Luiz on top of HOURIHANE with new contract plus Konsa and Engels can play dfm..... we are still extremely light in quality no 9 position after Wesley and big part Kodjia

So why do we need so much money spent on dfm ?
Luiz really would be the only natural defensive midfielder at the club. Hourihane does a job in the championship but that's not his game, Nakamba is more a box to box and Konsa and Engles, like you said can play there but it's not their natural position.

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 03:33:16 PM
I trust that Dean knows what he is doing.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on July 25, 2019, 03:34:50 PM
I canít believe all thatís happening ! Although really excited, why do we need marvellous, Luiz on top of HOURIHANE with new contract plus Konsa and Engels can play dfm..... we are still extremely light in quality no 9 position after Wesley and big part Kodjia

So why do we need so much money spent on dfm ?

The signings may come in no particular order Daz.

Weíve replaced Whelan and Jedi with Douglas and Marvellous both of whom appear to be better than our existing midfielders.  This means weíve upped the squad standard and not just the starting 11.  No need to juggle 3 or 4 positions just because one player is out.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: frank black on July 25, 2019, 03:35:32 PM
Heís doing that heart thing with his hands. 🤮

Send him out on loan now!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2019, 03:36:07 PM
From elsewhere.

The last time I saw two Brazilians in the same window I was in Amsterdam.

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on July 25, 2019, 03:38:35 PM
From elsewhere.

The last time I saw two Brazilians in the same window I was in Amsterdam.



🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on July 25, 2019, 03:41:51 PM
From elsewhere.

The last time I saw two Brazilians in the same window I was in Amsterdam.


Weird them selling Romario and Ronaldo jerseys in Amsterdam.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 03:42:51 PM
From elsewhere.

The last time I saw two Brazilians in the same window I was in Amsterdam.


Weird them selling Romario and Ronaldo jerseys in Amsterdam.

😂
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2019, 03:48:54 PM
I would like to see Brazilian flags down VP this season.

Christ the Redeemer statue unveiled outside the refurbished North Stand.

The half time entertainment should feature Capoeira performers scantily clad samba dancers.

Beer will be removed from the menu and replaced by Caipirinha.

It will be like watching Brazil 🇧🇷

Fixed.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on July 25, 2019, 04:02:50 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Douglas Luiz and adding to the Brazilian theme as anybody out there had a Brazilian waxing yet.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: DrGonzo on July 25, 2019, 04:04:49 PM
I'm super pumped now. He looks a true baller!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2019, 04:06:01 PM
I think it's fucking brilliant, waited for a Brazilian to sign for 20 odd years or more, got close with Juninho and now 2 come along at once. They both look good ones as well. I fucking love Brazilians me.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 04:08:41 PM
I would like to see Brazilian flags down VP this season.

Christ the Redeemer statue unveiled outside the refurbished North Stand.

The half time entertainment should feature Capoeira performers scantily clad samba dancers.

Beer will be removed from the menu and replaced by Caipirinha.

It will be like watching Brazil 🇧🇷

Fixed.

I'm going to have PM you BV. I'm planning to be in Rio and Sao Paulo later this year.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2019, 04:11:28 PM
What a window this is shaping up to be.  Absolutely nobody is guaranteed a start next season, which is how it should be.  As it stands, apart from Steer.

#announceakeeperalready
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on July 25, 2019, 04:11:36 PM
Exciting times ahead for us can't wait for the new season to start.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on July 25, 2019, 04:13:37 PM
Just a quick question I'm going to the Charlton game on Saturday does anybody know if he will get his clearance to play or will it take longer for his permit to be stamped.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: baddowvillans on July 25, 2019, 04:25:01 PM
This is the one I wanted from the moment it was muted.  I think we have done some really good business so far but this boy looks special and even though City may have a buy back arrangement he might be just what we need to cement our place back in the Premier League.  Goals have been - and probably still are - my only other concern.  We look solid but need to hope that there are now more goals spread throughout the team. Butland would do it for me now but if we can get another striker I think we them just need to leave it to DS to put together.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on July 25, 2019, 04:26:38 PM
Hopefully the work permit is granted? Surely the club have checked this through to be fairly certain - hopefully we don't have to wait 2/3 weeks for a decision like Wesley's application? ?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2019, 04:29:19 PM
Iíd imagine the club have been told the WP is approved and are waiting for the official paperwork.
They would not have announced him if they werenít 100% sure.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 25, 2019, 04:30:45 PM
Iíd love hair like his. Actually Iíd like hair...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2019, 04:31:44 PM
I'm going to have PM you BV. I'm planning to be in Rio and Sao Paulo later this year.

No worries at all, anytime.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 25, 2019, 04:36:24 PM
Another highly rated young Brazilian, in a key position too, and the whole squad is starting to look very tasty.

This summer is fucking ace.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2019, 04:37:00 PM
Just a quick question I'm going to the Charlton game on Saturday does anybody know if he will get his clearance to play or will it take longer for his permit to be stamped.

I'd be very surprised if Trezeguet, Douglas or Nakamba will be involved Saturday to be honest chap.
Probably be ok for the Saturday after.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on July 25, 2019, 04:41:32 PM
Hopefully the work permit is granted? Surely the club have checked this through to be fairly certain - hopefully we don't have to wait 2/3 weeks for a decision like Wesley's application? ?
Interestingly he didn't answer the question "lastly just talk to us about the plan from here now in terms of when you link up with the squad properly?" in his interview on the OS with a specific date/or from immediate effect. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2019, 04:56:37 PM
And the first thing the Evening Mail jump on: is the fucking buy back clause!  Canít you just be happy you fucking morons!

Welcome Douglas.  This is the most excited Iíve been over a player since I last shit my pants.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2019, 04:59:56 PM
so this morning then?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: colin69 on July 25, 2019, 05:04:03 PM
And the first thing the Evening Mail jump on: is the fucking buy back clause!  Canít you just be happy you fucking morons!

Welcome Douglas.  This is the most excited Iíve been over a player since I last shit my pants.


The buy back clause doesnít worry me. He is just the player we need at the moment and if Citeh do want him back hopefully we will make them pay top dollar. I trust this current set up to have a decent clause inserted.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on July 25, 2019, 05:07:46 PM
In a way the buy back clause reassures me. Why would City let a player apparently this good go to a club in the same division at what looks like a relatively low fee given the market? The fact they still want him makes me think we've got A City-calibre player - and that's really high level stuff.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 25, 2019, 05:09:10 PM
This is an exciting sign of the way we are going to approach this season - I like the way we are looking to settle players in by having fellow nationals or ex team mates on board
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Billy Walker on July 25, 2019, 05:10:10 PM
Just my gut instinct, but if he does well with us I don't reckon he'll be going back to MCity.  I reckon we have owners with the means and acumen to hold on to a player if need be. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 05:13:10 PM
And the first thing the Evening Mail jump on: is the fucking buy back clause!  Canít you just be happy you fucking morons!

Welcome Douglas.  This is the most excited Iíve been over a player since I last shit my pants.

Horrible paper. Reads like it hates Birmingham.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on July 25, 2019, 05:16:35 PM
Just my gut instinct, but if he does well with us I don't reckon he'll be going back to MCity.  I reckon we have owners with the means and acumen to hold on to a player if need be.

Yep...I do think our management  and owners are far more clued up than in previous years.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2019, 05:27:33 PM
And the first thing the Evening Mail jump on: is the fucking buy back clause!  Canít you just be happy you fucking morons!

Welcome Douglas.  This is the most excited Iíve been over a player since I last shit my pants.

Horrible paper. Reads like it hates Birmingham.

Amen.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on July 25, 2019, 05:28:32 PM
Get the fuck in!!! Welcome to the Villa Douglas! 😊

Absolutely delighted with this one and another piece of the jigsaw completed...keeper and another striker still to come hopefully to sure things up at the back and add much needed clinical finishing up front.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2019, 05:29:32 PM
Welcome Douglas.
Be brilliant and happy at The Villa!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 25, 2019, 05:43:05 PM
So on the day that Tom Ross says we're not buying anybody else, we announce two more signings?!

The day Tom Ross knows more about what is going on down the Villa than us I will shit in a Wellington Boot and wear it as a hat.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2019, 05:56:07 PM
So on the day that Tom Ross says we're not buying anybody else, we announce two more signings?!

The day Tom Ross knows more about what is going on down the Villa than us I will shit in a Wellington Boot and wear it as a hat.

You'll do for me, have a bronx hat.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 25, 2019, 05:58:22 PM
So on the day that Tom Ross says we're not buying anybody else, we announce two more signings?!

The day Tom Ross knows more about what is going on down the Villa than us I will shit in a Wellington Boot and wear it as a hat.

You'll do for me, have a bronx hat.

With a shit in it?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2019, 06:09:00 PM
And the first thing the Evening Mail jump on: is the fucking buy back clause!  Canít you just be happy you fucking morons!

Welcome Douglas.  This is the most excited Iíve been over a player since I last shit my pants.


The buy back clause doesnít worry me. He is just the player we need at the moment and if Citeh do want him back hopefully we will make them pay top dollar. I trust this current set up to have a decent clause inserted.
I dunno.  If it's a work permit fudge then I doubt City will have been prepared to build in a big uplift.  It won't be less than £15m.  I suspect it won't be a huge amount more either.  If it goes well it will have been a cheap loan of what could be a very important player for us.  If he plays well and helps us stay up, it will have been well worth it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2019, 06:17:12 PM
 The buyback will have to be something substantial, unless he plays lots of times for the Brazilian first team, or Manchester City wonít be able to demonstrate that he is as important a player for them as he is for us and therefore will not get a work permit. So unless they pay a premium price, the buyback clause is somewhat redundant.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 25, 2019, 06:19:18 PM
The buyback will have to be something substantial, unless he plays lots of times for the Brazilian first team, or Manchester City wonít be able to demonstrate that he is as important a player for them as he is for us and therefore will not get a work permit. So unless they pay a premium price, the buyback clause is somewhat redundant.

Yep. It is double money and a few more for good luck.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2019, 06:20:30 PM
cant wait to see him play against the sky blue Mancs
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Colhint on July 25, 2019, 06:27:01 PM
I don't know, but If a player has a WP for the uk then that's it. He has a WP. Is there any case where has one for one club, but couldn't sign for another one in the same league?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 06:29:30 PM
The buyback will have to be something substantial, unless he plays lots of times for the Brazilian first team, or Manchester City wonít be able to demonstrate that he is as important a player for them as he is for us and therefore will not get a work permit. So unless they pay a premium price, the buyback clause is somewhat redundant.

Fantastic if true.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 25, 2019, 06:32:07 PM
I don't know, but If a player has a WP for the uk then that's it. He has a WP. Is there any case where has one for one club, but couldn't sign for another one in the same league?

Apologies, I quoted the wrong post previously. I meant to reply to chrisw1. I dont understand the work permit machinations but there is a huge uplift on the buy back for us regardless.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Colhint on July 25, 2019, 06:35:31 PM
No probs can't expect anyone to know the whole shenanigans, but I'm still smiling a lot today.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on July 25, 2019, 06:40:20 PM
Can't wait to see Douglas set up Wesley for a stunner hopefully in front of the Holte where a booming chorus of "it's just like watching Brazil" will be legitimitely sung for the first time in 140 years down Villa Park. I'll dance the fecking samba in me local if one of them gets a hat-trick.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 25, 2019, 06:41:52 PM
Can't wait to see Douglas set up Wesley for a stunner hopefully in front of the Holte where a booming chorus of "it's just like watching Brazil" will be legimitely sung for the first time in 140 yearIfs down Villa Park. I'll dance the fuckin samba in me local if one of them gets a hat-trick.

Chelts likes this.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on July 25, 2019, 06:46:19 PM
Can't wait to see Douglas set up Wesley for a stunner hopefully in front of the Holte where a booming chorus of "it's just like watching Brazil" will be legimitely sung for the first time in 140 yearIfs down Villa Park. I'll dance the fuckin samba in me local if one of them gets a hat-trick.

Chelts likes this.
Damn it. You got in before i had corrected my usual spelling mistakes.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2019, 06:50:27 PM
So on the day that Tom Ross says we're not buying anybody else, we announce two more signings?!

The day Tom Ross knows more about what is going on down the Villa than us I will shit in a Wellington Boot and wear it as a hat.

You'll do for me, have a bronx hat.

With a shit in it?

Yes, Craig Gardner.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Archieavfc on July 25, 2019, 06:53:30 PM
I don't know, but If a player has a WP for the uk then that's it. He has a WP. Is there any case where has one for one club, but couldn't sign for another one in the same league?

If its anything like the real world they are attached to your employer. If he moved to a new employer he would need to apply again.

I really cant believe we have signed him, cant believe the summer we are having. Leaving Wembley I couldnt even dream it would be this good.

I dont know why but i am totally fine with the buy back clause, in my head i am thinking if Man City want him back he has been amazing for us.

The Villa we could only dream of the last 10 years is now a reality.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on July 25, 2019, 06:59:38 PM
This is the one I was hoping for the most.

I really dont like that buy back clause though, not so much because City will want him back but because if he turns out to be brilliant for us but not so much at the level that they wrequire for themselves they will just buy him back and sell him on for a huge profit like Madrid did with Morata at Juventus.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 07:09:45 PM
This is the one I was hoping for the most.

I really dont like that buy back clause though, not so much because City will want him back but because if he turns out to be brilliant for us but not so much at the level that they wrequire for themselves they will just buy him back and sell him on for a huge profit like Madrid did with Morata at Juventus.

Not unless the buy back clause is based upon an open market valuation so we are the ones selling for a huge profit. Otherwise we may as well just loan him and if City really wanted to keep him then theyíd have loaned him out anyway.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2019, 07:22:53 PM
I think I've got the music sorted for the teams coming out at Villa Park. You need to hear it until the end - you're in for a treat. Either that or fast forward to 3 minutes.



Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2019, 08:10:49 PM
Iím impressed by all of our business this summer, but this is the signing that really excites me. Purely on reputation and clips clearly, but sounds like a potential superstar.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 25, 2019, 09:04:16 PM
Iím impressed by all of our business this summer, but this is the signing that really excites me. Purely on reputation and clips clearly, but sounds like a potential superstar.
I totally agree - this signing has got me buzzing
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 25, 2019, 09:41:01 PM
Iím impressed by all of our business this summer, but this is the signing that really excites me. Purely on reputation and clips clearly, but sounds like a potential superstar.

Agreed. Plus we now have the nous to put a deal together - couldn't see previous regimes, stretching back to Doug/Steve Stride perhaps (when likely different rules applied) to construct a complicated deal to get him in.

Well chuffed.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on July 25, 2019, 09:43:28 PM
Interesting signing. Seems highly thought of which is good but I don't know a thing about him. Welcome Doug.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: TonyD on July 25, 2019, 11:07:26 PM
What type of player is he?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2019, 11:17:55 PM
Iím impressed by all of our business this summer, but this is the signing that really excites me. Purely on reputation and clips clearly, but sounds like a potential superstar.

Agreed. Plus we now have the nous to put a deal together - couldn't see previous regimes, stretching back to Doug/Steve Stride perhaps (when likely different rules applied) to construct a complicated deal to get him in.

Well chuffed.

This is an excellent point. We appear to have found a way to manipulate a problem for Man City into a solution for ourselves.

This exites me almost as much as the player himself, we look like we actually know what the fuck we're doing.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 11:24:44 PM
What type of player is he?


Defensive midfielder, very comfortable on the ball, likes to find space and pick out a pass.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on July 25, 2019, 11:39:21 PM
Iím impressed by all of our business this summer, but this is the signing that really excites me. Purely on reputation and clips clearly, but sounds like a potential superstar.

Agreed. Plus we now have the nous to put a deal together - couldn't see previous regimes, stretching back to Doug/Steve Stride perhaps (when likely different rules applied) to construct a complicated deal to get him in.

Well chuffed.

This is an excellent point. We appear to have found a way to manipulate a problem for Man City into a solution for ourselves.

This exites me almost as much as the player himself, we look like we actually know what the fuck we're doing.

Really impressed with Purslow, Suso and the recruitment team theyíve put together.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 25, 2019, 11:42:50 PM
What type of player is he?

Amazeballs.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on July 26, 2019, 01:07:29 AM
https://youtu.be/8PYKOo_jgJo

Hello to Douglas, our new 🇧🇷 player
And to Wesley, of course.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on July 26, 2019, 01:13:30 AM
The girl in the photo has a Villa rosette  :)


Meant to be.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 26, 2019, 02:14:02 AM
He reminds me of Craig David.  In which case ĎI hope youíre really good on Saturday, not so bad on a Sunday, be very good on a Monday or even if you play on Tuesday.í
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 26, 2019, 02:18:59 AM
He reminds me of Craig David.  In which case ĎI hope youíre really good on Saturday, not so bad on a Sunday, be very good on a Monday or even if you play on Tuesday.í

By Wednesday he'll be too busy making love, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Perthvillan on July 26, 2019, 04:25:12 AM
I have been scanning the internet every day for the past two weeks on this.
Absolutely delighted we have got this one over the line.
Douglas could prove to be our best signing of the summer.
We've taken advantage of Citeh and doesn't Guardiola hate it.
Someone posted earlier about our signings being brought in to complement our style, and non more so than this one.
By the end of the season Douglas won't want to leave as he will have realised he is already at the world's best club.
If we could just get in a quality goalkeeper and a small forward I think we will be a match for anyone.
Can't wait for it to all get started now.
UTV
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 26, 2019, 07:17:18 AM
Or alternatively we will have started a bidding war over his buy back clause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: in exile on July 26, 2019, 07:36:28 AM
Very pleased this has been confirmed.
Sorry if it's already been asked and answered, but is his English ok?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on July 26, 2019, 08:00:45 AM
Very pleased this has been confirmed.
Sorry if it's already been asked and answered, but is his English ok?

Thereís a club video/interview with him.  He doesnít speak English by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: robbo1874 on July 26, 2019, 08:19:18 AM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on July 26, 2019, 08:23:31 AM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?

We have no control.  City appear to think very highly of him so thereís a good chance that if he fulfills his potential, he will go back.

Iím hoping that weíll get 2 seasons out of him as City hold all the cards and have no need to rush,unless heís that good that heís going to get into their side.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2019, 08:24:54 AM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?

We have no control.  City appear to think very highly of him so thereís a good chance that if he fulfills his potential, he will go back.

Iím hoping that weíll get 2 seasons out of him as City hold all the cards and have no need to rush,unless heís that good that heís going to get into their side.

How do you know that?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on July 26, 2019, 08:25:59 AM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?

We have no control.  City appear to think very highly of him so thereís a good chance that if he fulfills his potential, he will go back.

Iím hoping that weíll get 2 seasons out of him as City hold all the cards and have no need to rush,unless heís that good that heís going to get into their side.

How do you know that?

Know what?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2019, 08:33:54 AM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?

With a deal like this, the player's agreement to the potential future move is locked in at this stage.

So he's already agreed to the return move if it ever comes up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on July 26, 2019, 08:39:45 AM
He's only 21 years old and if he lives up to the hype (and his YouTube highlights) then he has a very good future in the game ahead of him. We've only managed to sign him due to the work permit issues for Man Citeh, and everything about the buy back clause is pure speculation at this stage...we may even be able to negotiate the buy back clause is removed. We'll just have to see how it pans out, enjoy his football and see what happens until or if any further details are released.

Very pleased this has been confirmed.
Sorry if it's already been asked and answered, but is his English ok?
Doesn't speak a word of English by the looks of it, but having Wesley alongside him should help with any communication issues on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2019, 08:47:56 AM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?

With a deal like this, the player's agreement to the potential future move is locked in at this stage.

So he's already agreed to the return move if it ever comes up.

How does that work regarding wages? Say he's amazing, wins PFA Player of the Year and gets called up by Brazil. We give him a wage increase to reflect his value. Then Man City sign him does he get to keep his pay increase or does he have to go back to the wages he left on?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on July 26, 2019, 09:52:37 AM
Forgive the question as it has probably already been asked but, is he yet allowed to train with us? or is that also dependent on the work permit being issued?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Border villan on July 26, 2019, 09:55:28 AM
Donít think he can train. The Pravda said he was signed subject to work permit. If he was injured and then refused a work permit we could be in a difficult situation.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on July 26, 2019, 09:58:29 AM
Iím impressed by all of our business this summer, but this is the signing that really excites me. Purely on reputation and clips clearly, but sounds like a potential superstar.

 Same here, from what Iíve seen he looks a real step up from everything else we have.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?

With a deal like this, the player's agreement to the potential future move is locked in at this stage.

So he's already agreed to the return move if it ever comes up.

How does that work regarding wages? Say he's amazing, wins PFA Player of the Year and gets called up by Brazil. We give him a wage increase to reflect his value. Then Man City sign him does he get to keep his pay increase or does he have to go back to the wages he left on?

Wouldn't be able to give you a definite answer to that I'm afraid.

If I had to guess, I'd assume that future increases would be written into what has been agreed now.

So something along the lines of "current Villa salary plus 40%" to allow for changes to his contract with us.

So if he's amazing and we give him £100k per week, they have to decide whether he's worth a further increase to that.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2019, 10:59:23 AM
Ok for the terminally thick -  namely me

We have bought him off man city (so we own him) for £15m directly. If he turns out to be brilliant Man city can

A/ just say we want him now and pay the £15m we paid and he goes
B/ As A but with an alternate higher fee already agreed
C/ Other teams can try to buy him but Man city have first refusal.
D/ If he is not what we expect he is ours and Man city can refuse to take him.

Any of that right?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2019, 11:02:06 AM
Ok for the terminally thick -  namely me

We have bought him off man city (so we own him) for £15m directly. If he turns out to be brilliant Man city can

A/ just say we want him now and pay the £15m we paid and he goes
B/ As A but with an alternate higher fee already agreed
C/ Other teams can try to buy him but Man city have first refusal.
D/ If he is not what we expect he is ours and Man city can refuse to take him.

Any of that right?

We don't know. Nobody does.

For all the talk about it on this thread, we do not know if the buy back clause exists and if so, at how much, or under what circumstances Man City could trigger it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on July 26, 2019, 11:06:33 AM
This seems to be as much as we know, thanks Chelts.

And the first thing the Evening Mail jump on: is the fucking buy back clause!  Canít you just be happy you fucking morons!

Welcome Douglas.  This is the most excited Iíve been over a player since I last shit my pants.


The buy back clause doesnít worry me. He is just the player we need at the moment and if Citeh do want him back hopefully we will make them pay top dollar. I trust this current set up to have a decent clause inserted.
I dunno.  If it's a work permit fudge then I doubt City will have been prepared to build in a big uplift.  It won't be less than £15m.  I suspect it won't be a huge amount more either.  If it goes well it will have been a cheap loan of what could be a very important player for us.  If he plays well and helps us stay up, it will have been well worth it.

Yep. It is double money and a few more for good luck.
I don't know, but If a player has a WP for the uk then that's it. He has a WP. Is there any case where has one for one club, but couldn't sign for another one in the same league?
I dont understand the work permit machinations but there is a huge uplift on the buy back for us regardless.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 26, 2019, 11:29:44 AM
Ok for the terminally thick -  namely me

We have bought him off man city (so we own him) for £15m directly. If he turns out to be brilliant Man city can

A/ just say we want him now and pay the £15m we paid and he goes
B/ As A but with an alternate higher fee already agreed
C/ Other teams can try to buy him but Man city have first refusal.
D/ If he is not what we expect he is ours and Man city can refuse to take him.

Any of that right?

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Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: not3bad on July 26, 2019, 11:32:14 AM
Ok for the terminally thick -  namely me

We have bought him off man city (so we own him) for £15m directly. If he turns out to be brilliant Man city can

A/ just say we want him now and pay the £15m we paid and he goes
B/ As A but with an alternate higher fee already agreed
C/ Other teams can try to buy him but Man city have first refusal.
D/ If he is not what we expect he is ours and Man city can refuse to take him.

Any of that right?

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I think B comes in a year Bob, and the fee will rise again after 2 years. Do I win £5?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 26, 2019, 11:34:59 AM
Yes - it will be B.

We would never accept scenario A as we would take 100% of the risk for no benefit...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2019, 11:38:34 AM
Er - we don't 'own' him...!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: TonyD on July 26, 2019, 11:53:30 AM
What type of player is he?


Defensive midfielder, very comfortable on the ball, likes to find space and pick out a pass.
Exactly what we need!!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2019, 11:57:41 AM
Er - we don't 'own' him...!

I thought we paid a transfer fee, no mention of loan fee, so surely he is our player?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: not3bad on July 26, 2019, 12:00:41 PM
Er - we don't 'own' him...!

I thought we paid a transfer fee, no mention of loan fee, so surely he is our player?

"Owning" him is a bit of a weird way to put it though? Do you regard your employers as "owning" you?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2019, 12:06:26 PM
FFS whatever
Is "Have we bought him" wrong as well.

It's a turn of phrase
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on July 26, 2019, 12:06:44 PM
Er - we don't 'own' him...!

I thought we paid a transfer fee, no mention of loan fee, so surely he is our player?

"Owning" him is a bit of a weird way to put it though? Do you regard your employers as "owning" you?
It's not that. The general consensus is this is more a deal for a few seasons to help him get a work permit for City when they buy him back...which if he does as well as they think, they will.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2019, 12:14:18 PM
We own title to his registration. Muhahahaha
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2019, 12:49:52 PM
Er - we don't 'own' him...!

I thought we paid a transfer fee, no mention of loan fee, so surely he is our player?

"Owning" him is a bit of a weird way to put it though? Do you regard your employers as "owning" you?

It's different for footballers, though, talking about a club 'owning' a player is standard footballspeak.

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2019, 12:54:17 PM
I guess it is standard, but, well, blimey, should it be?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2019, 01:17:54 PM
Is it that common? I think the idea is implied but actually outright stating ownership isn't something I can recall seeing all that often. I think phrases like "we've got him" and "he's one of us" are common, along with various deviations around those ideas but "we own him" doesn't come up all that often (in my opinion).
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2019, 01:36:03 PM
I guess it is standard, but, well, blimey, should it be?

Villa own part of your soul, why can't we own one of Doug Louie's dreadlocks?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2019, 01:39:01 PM
Is it that common? I think the idea is implied but actually outright stating ownership isn't something I can recall seeing all that often. I think phrases like "we've got him" and "he's one of us" are common, along with various deviations around those ideas but "we own him" doesn't come up all that often (in my opinion).

Well the players are assets on a balance sheet (or their registrations are) so that's where the ownership idea comes from.  You heard a lot about 'ownership' when it was third party, like the Tevez and Mascherano cases.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on July 26, 2019, 01:40:47 PM
Manchester City have a buy-back clause inserted into the transfer agreement for Douglas Luiz.

The Brazilian midfielder completed his move to Aston Villa in an initial £15million deal yesterday, with another £1million to be earned in add-ons if the 21-year-old proves to be a success.

That ended a frustrating two years for Luiz with the Blues , as he was unable to get a work permit and ended up spending two seasons on loan at sister club Girona.

Luiz is likely to fall foul of the same rule when Villa apply for a permit, but the Midlands club are confident that the appeal process will work in their favour.

The appeal works on a points system, with points available if the transfer fee or wages are suitably high, in a bid to prevent less wealthy clubs being disadvantaged when pursuing foreign players.

 
Luiz will earn appeal points if his salary, as is likely, is in the top 25 per cent on Villaís wage structure.


City did not want to sell Luiz Ė in fact last summer Pep Guardiola expressed his frustration at being unable to give the holding midfielder an opportunity to stake a claim as number two to Fernandinho.

So a buyback clause was inevitable, although neither club is revealing any details about what that entails.


Sources close to Villa claim that it is likely to be heavily stacked in their favour, and on an escalating scale, with talk of it being £25million next summer and £30million the year after.

But that does not fit with Cityís recent strategy.

They sold Angelino for £5million last year and bought him back for around £5.35million last month Ė and it would be no great surprise if the terms of Luizís deal are along similar lines.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villa75 on July 26, 2019, 02:16:39 PM
Come on. It's a loan deal in all but name.

The BIG difference is, Man City are paying US to have him on loan. 😂
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2019, 02:24:46 PM
Is it that common? I think the idea is implied but actually outright stating ownership isn't something I can recall seeing all that often. I think phrases like "we've got him" and "he's one of us" are common, along with various deviations around those ideas but "we own him" doesn't come up all that often (in my opinion).

Well the players are assets on a balance sheet (or their registrations are) so that's where the ownership idea comes from.  You heard a lot about 'ownership' when it was third party, like the Tevez and Mascherano cases.

That's about the context where I could think of 'ownership' being outright discussed. I might be wrong but I just can't think of a time where I've heard it said about a new signing before. I don't have a problem with it because I think it's clear that it means we own his registration not him I'm just not sure it's 'standard footballspeak' which was the specific thing I was replying to.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: not3bad on July 26, 2019, 02:35:18 PM
Sources close to Villa claim that it is likely to be heavily stacked in their favour, and on an escalating scale, with talk of it being £25million next summer and £30million the year after.

But that does not fit with Cityís recent strategy.

They sold Angelino for £5million last year and bought him back for around £5.35million last month Ė and it would be no great surprise if the terms of Luizís deal are along similar lines.

Well I certainly hope it's nearer to the first estimation than what happened with Angelino! My guess it will be somewhere between the two though.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2019, 02:47:10 PM
I don't think you can draw comparisons between this one and Angelino. The latter was available to play for them so keeping him if they didn't get the deal they wanted wasn't a problem. With Douglas he had to leave, either on loan or permanently, but on loan did nothing to get him a work permit unless he got a Brazil call up and played every game, 2 years of taking that route has pushed them into a weaker position.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2019, 02:58:57 PM
There's been weeks of negotiating, likely over this clause. We've obviously ended up with a deal that we're happy with so there's likely to be a good return factored in.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2019, 03:08:50 PM
And in the end what does it really matter? He will be playing for us this season. Thatís ultimately the most important thing.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2019, 03:13:48 PM
Well, it does matter, because if he has a good season, and this clause exists, they can contractually buy him back.

That's something which definitely makes a difference - because if he does have a great season, and they like the look of him, we have no choice but to sell him to them for a pre-arranged price after one season.

If that does happen people aren't going to be on here saying what a good deal it was and be happy it panned out that way, you can bet on that.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on July 26, 2019, 03:21:39 PM
Well, it does matter, because if he has a good season, and this clause exists, they can contractually buy him back.

That's something which definitely makes a difference - because if he does have a great season, and they like the look of him, we have no choice but to sell him to them for a pre-arranged price after one season.

If that does happen people aren't going to be on here saying what a good deal it was and be happy it panned out that way, you can bet on that.

I doubt youíd have gotten him for anywhere near £15 million without a clause being included.

I can see the advantages to us, not least because it allows us to squeeze our war chest that little bit further.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2019, 03:23:36 PM
My point is none of us know the specific details of the clause. Itís all speculation. And secondly, if Jack or Trezeguet or AEG have a brilliant year then whatís to stop Man City it anyone else coming in for them? A contract doesnít determine how long a player will stay at a club. It just gives us leverage when time comes to sell them. In this case our leverage if the clause is to be believed is pre determined and allowed us to get a player realistically worth a lot more in todayís market, for relatively speaking, a very low price.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on July 26, 2019, 03:26:56 PM
At the end of the day we've got what appears to be a very good player who will play for us for at least a season, worst case scenario is we go down but him leaving is the least of our troubles if that happens. Stay up and he is sold back to them and we will be in a much stronger position to buy a replacement. If we stay up and he has a shit season then tbh who cares, we stayed up and we didn't break the bank to sign him.

That's my take on it.

Now let's drink some caipirinha and do a little samba dance.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on July 26, 2019, 03:29:36 PM
At the end of the day we've got what appears to be a very good player who will play for us for at least a season, worst case scenario is we go down but him leaving is the least of our troubles if that happens. Stay up and he is sold back to them and we will be in a much stronger position to buy a replacement. If we stay up and he has a shit season then tbh who cares, we stayed up and we didn't break the bank to sign him.

That's my take on it.

Now let's drink some caipirinha and do a little samba dance.

And Big Wes has got a mate to boot
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 26, 2019, 04:19:14 PM
And in the end what does it really matter? He will be playing for us this season. Thatís ultimately the most important thing.


And if he ever wants to get back to City, that'll only happen if he's a cut above just about every other player in his position in the division.

None of us is privy to these clauses, it's all guesswork. But unlike in the past, I now very much doubt we'll be getting our pants pulled down.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
My point is none of us know the specific details of the clause. Itís all speculation. And secondly, if Jack or Trezeguet or AEG have a brilliant year then whatís to stop Man City it anyone else coming in for them?

No, you're right, but to give the example of Jack, we managed to stop him leaving last summer.

In the case of Luiz we would be contractually obliged to sell him, and at a price we'd agreed in advance with another club.

I am not massively shitting myself over this, I'd still buy the player, but to suggest it doesn't matter when it has a legally defined impact on our future is wide of the mark.

Let's agree to revisit this in 12 months time, and see if they've called him back, and see what peoples' reactions are.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: phantom limb on July 26, 2019, 04:28:03 PM
Itís not ideal but itís not the end of the world. He looks like he could be a great player for us, and you never know what will happen with regard to this buy back clause. After a decade of misery I can live with it!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on July 26, 2019, 05:27:47 PM
I don't see the problem here. The only way City trigger the buy-back is if he has an outstanding season for us which hopefully equates to us being comfortably mid-table rather than fighting relegation all season. Our goal here is to become established in the upper echelons of the premier league and he may be a stepping stone to achieving this. I would be disappointed to lose an influential figure, but it's hardly fatal for us under these circumstances.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2019, 05:37:13 PM
My point is none of us know the specific details of the clause. Itís all speculation. And secondly, if Jack or Trezeguet or AEG have a brilliant year then whatís to stop Man City it anyone else coming in for them?

No, you're right, but to give the example of Jack, we managed to stop him leaving last summer.

In the case of Luiz we would be contractually obliged to sell him, and at a price we'd agreed in advance with another club.

I am not massively shitting myself over this, I'd still buy the player, but to suggest it doesn't matter when it has a legally defined impact on our future is wide of the mark.

Let's agree to revisit this in 12 months time, and see if they've called him back, and see what peoples' reactions are.

Might end up the other way - there was a fairly large chunk of the Paul Lambert thread where people were panicking about what we'd do when Dortmund inevitably tried to pinch him off us!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Billy Walker on July 26, 2019, 05:43:59 PM
Come on. It's a loan deal in all but name.

The BIG difference is, Man City are paying US to have him on loan. 😂

I can't see Villa being up for developing players for other clubs, Purslow ruled that kind of thing out. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2019, 05:57:04 PM
I reckon there is zero chance he'd be joining us without the clause, if he leaves in a year then it will be because he's played well enough that the best side in the country want him. If they do trigger the clause then i'd imagine most will be disappointed but will be smart enough to realise that without the clause he wouldn't have been here in the first place rather than saying it was a shit deal we negotiated.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2019, 06:04:42 PM
And if he does leave next year, chances are he will have played well enough to help keep us up - and if we're still up, we'll be in a better position to replace him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: frank black on July 26, 2019, 06:05:02 PM
I think if we just treat him as a loan player in our expectations, we wonít all be too despondent when he goes back. I fully expect this to be a short term but very useful acquisition.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2019, 06:06:33 PM
Come on. It's a loan deal in all but name.

The BIG difference is, Man City are paying US to have him on loan. 😂

I can't see Villa being up for developing players for other clubs, Purslow ruled that kind of thing out. 
There are so many variables here: Rodri may have a fantastic season for Citeh, and other holding MF there may also raise their game; Guardiola may go before any option-to-buy is activated; Luiz may not actually do very well with us; we might pay Citeh more to remove the buyback option.

Who knows?

I'm going to enjoy having two Brazilian players playing for us next season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 26, 2019, 06:15:15 PM
Come on. It's a loan deal in all but name.

The BIG difference is, Man City are paying US to have him on loan. 😂

I can't see Villa being up for developing players for other clubs, Purslow ruled that kind of thing out.

Is Marvelous his "understudy?"
   If Man City do take him back we have got a ready made replacement who has had a season to get up to speed with what is required to seamlessly slot into the vacant DM position
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2019, 07:00:22 PM
My point is none of us know the specific details of the clause. Itís all speculation. And secondly, if Jack or Trezeguet or AEG have a brilliant year then whatís to stop Man City it anyone else coming in for them?

No, you're right, but to give the example of Jack, we managed to stop him leaving last summer.

In the case of Luiz we would be contractually obliged to sell him, and at a price we'd agreed in advance with another club.

I am not massively shitting myself over this, I'd still buy the player, but to suggest it doesn't matter when it has a legally defined impact on our future is wide of the mark.

Let's agree to revisit this in 12 months time, and see if they've called him back, and see what peoples' reactions are.

Just to clarify my comment on whether it matters or not surrounded the fact that the deal is done and thereís just now an acceptance of what this deal is without knowing the specifics of it. So really it was me saying fuck it letís enjoy him in a Villa kit and Jack and the rest for as long as we can. But it will be interesting to see this play out. Man City will want top players and if that means two years lighting it up for us then count me in.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2019, 07:06:16 PM
I'm not overly happy about the suggested recall clause, but:

- Man City have some amazing players, and will presumably continue to buy other amazing players.  He's going to have be brilliant for us for them to want him back, and we'll have hopefully done very well on the back of him being that good.

- If they do call him back, we have a much better quality of squad now, and hopefully are now capable of attracting much better players.  Him going back therefore shouldn't be the same hole that we'd have had if Greaslish had gone to Spurs last year., for example.

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2019, 07:20:29 PM
What I take from the alleged buy back clause is that Pep is massively fucked off having lost a player he likes. So good for us for as long as we have him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 26, 2019, 07:27:45 PM
Iím not particularly bothered by the buy back clause because if itís activated it means heís done well.
However, it doesnít necessarily mean heís good enough for city - just that heís worth more than whatever the buy back price is. Look at frankfurt and Jovic. They buy him off benfica for a pre determined amount and sell him straight away to Madrid for a profit. That is probably the most likely outcome for DL I reckon. Either way, means heís done decent for us assuming the buy back is >£15m (see Angelino for a low city buyback recently)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2019, 07:30:11 PM
Iím not particularly bothered by the buy back clause because if itís activated it means heís done well.
However, it doesnít necessarily mean heís good enough for city - just that heís worth more than whatever the buy back price is. Look at frankfurt and Jovic. They buy him off benfica for a pre determined amount and sell him straight away to Madrid for a profit. That is probably the most likely outcome for DL I reckon. Either way, means heís done decent for us assuming the buy back is >£15m (see Angelino for a low city buyback recently)

Yeah, but we're fucking loaded so we could just buy him at a higher price, without any clause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 26, 2019, 07:31:28 PM
Iím not particularly bothered by the buy back clause because if itís activated it means heís done well.
However, it doesnít necessarily mean heís good enough for city - just that heís worth more than whatever the buy back price is. Look at frankfurt and Jovic. They buy him off benfica for a pre determined amount and sell him straight away to Madrid for a profit. That is probably the most likely outcome for DL I reckon. Either way, means heís done decent for us assuming the buy back is >£15m (see Angelino for a low city buyback recently)

Yeah, but we're fucking loaded so we could just buy him at a higher price, without any clause.

City probably wouldnít have sold him without one
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
Yeah, but if like you say they buy him back to sell him on for more, I'm saying we could pay if we wanted to, and buy him outright.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?

We have no control.  .

How do you know that?

Know what?

The control bit?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 26, 2019, 07:39:29 PM
Yeah, but if like you say they buy him back to sell him on for more, I'm saying we could pay if we wanted to, and buy him outright.

Valid. Maybe if he doesnít quite make the City mustard we will negotiate to remove the clause and keep him ourselves.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: frank black on July 26, 2019, 07:42:38 PM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?

We have no control.  .

How do you know that?

Know what?

The control bit?

Itís contractual I would expect. But perhaps if he doesnít want to go back or go back and be sold on he could object. But Iím sure he wouldnít object unless we turn stellar. We certainly would be powerless
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Nelly on July 26, 2019, 07:43:17 PM
In order to make our way to top spots in the league I think we have to accept that players who do well for us will attract interest from the current top clubs. We will lose some, as we always have. I doubt many of them had aspirations to play for Villa, it's just that we are in the Premier League again that we are an option. The key difference for me is that we now seem to have proper scouts and coaches who can replace them and actually build the squad, rather than let it be depleted. Buy low and young > sell for big money > re-invest and climb that league! I don't mean that to sound defeatist, but rather that we as a club are looking better prepared (if I'm allowed to say that word again) for all eventualities. About time.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on July 26, 2019, 07:48:15 PM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?

We have no control.  .

How do you know that?

Know what?

The control bit?

Itís contractual I would expect. But perhaps if he doesnít want to go back or go back and be sold on he could object. But Iím sure he wouldnít object unless we turn stellar. We certainly would be powerless

Correct.  Thatís what a buy out clause is.  It gives the selling club the opportunity to buy back at some point if they wish.  If Man City want him back, thereís nothing we can do to stop them activating the clause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2019, 08:16:48 PM
If City activate the buyback clause, does it mean he has to go back there regardless of whether he wants to or not? Youíd have to assume he probably would want to go back, as heíd likely be having a tilt at the champs league with City. But we might have a decent season and he may want to stay. What happens then?

We have no control.  .

How do you know that?

Know what?

The control bit?

Itís contractual I would expect. But perhaps if he doesnít want to go back or go back and be sold on he could object. But Iím sure he wouldnít object unless we turn stellar. We certainly would be powerless

Correct.  Thatís what a buy out clause is.  It gives the selling club the opportunity to buy back at some point if they wish.  If Man City want him back, thereís nothing we can do to stop them activating the clause.

Well that all depends. On time-frame, numbers, what's actually in the deal, whether it's a buy back or first refusal job..

And given our other business recently, do you think we'll just have rolled over as easily as that?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2019, 08:27:01 PM
In the not too distant past yes, it would have been a question of us paying City £30m before sending him back.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on July 26, 2019, 09:23:38 PM
Thereís surely going to be more clauses in the buy back clause that may be to our advantage. As an example, if Citeh activate the buy back clause in order to sell him on rather than keep him, and we wanted to keep him permanently, then it would be daft if we then became involved in a bidding war with other clubs so surely weíd also have a first refusal or option to buy out the buy out clause.

Another thing to consider is that Luiz canít play for Citeh so his market value to them at the moment is significantly less than it should be. I donít know how much they paid for him in the first place but they essentially have an asset that has a lower value because they canít utilise it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: four fornicholl on July 26, 2019, 09:28:11 PM
Let's wait and see if he's any good. I'm an optoooooomist.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Matt C on July 26, 2019, 09:30:39 PM
Iíd guess any clause is heavily in Cityís favor if their recent similar examples are anything to go by.

On the upside, looks like weíre getting a very good player for a knock-down fee who would otherwise have probably been unobtainable. If ends up back at City in 12 months then heíll have been pretty special for us. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 26, 2019, 10:04:27 PM
My point is none of us know the specific details of the clause. Itís all speculation. And secondly, if Jack or Trezeguet or AEG have a brilliant year then whatís to stop Man City it anyone else coming in for them?

No, you're right, but to give the example of Jack, we managed to stop him leaving last summer.

In the case of Luiz we would be contractually obliged to sell him, and at a price we'd agreed in advance with another club.

I am not massively shitting myself over this, I'd still buy the player, but to suggest it doesn't matter when it has a legally defined impact on our future is wide of the mark.

Let's agree to revisit this in 12 months time, and see if they've called him back, and see what peoples' reactions are.
They can't just pick all good players. Some common sense will prevail (oh the ignorance)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villa75 on July 26, 2019, 10:47:32 PM
I would imagine that Man City can not get around the permit rules by arranging a straight loan deal with a PL club, or they would have done that, possibly last season.

Obviously they see this as a way around the system.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: DrGonzo on July 27, 2019, 07:29:37 PM
His work permit has been granted to villa rather Thant city because we can show that he is going to be a regular starter and will improve on the players already available in his position. If he goes back to City they have to say the sa
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: DrGonzo on July 27, 2019, 07:31:09 PM
Sorry.... have to be able to prove the same... I.e start ahead of de Bruyne and co....   tech fail b4 not used to posting from phone!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Border villan on July 27, 2019, 07:41:37 PM
Sorry.... have to be able to prove the same... I.e start ahead of de Bruyne and co....   tech fail b4 not used to posting from phone!!
A phone up the Hope Valley, good grief DrGonzo, next thing you know they will have running water.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on July 31, 2019, 08:17:40 PM
Videos on twitter/IG today show Doug training........in Brazil.

https://twitter.com/astonforza/status/1156643414584254465?s=21
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2019, 10:13:28 PM
Blimey, this seems to be a longer tail than anything Emmerdale has to offer.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2019, 10:14:41 PM
How come the work permit is taking so long?

I reckon this is our most important signing. I am starting to get a bit concerned.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2019, 10:20:36 PM
How come the work permit is taking so long?

I reckon this is our most important signing. I am starting to get a bit concerned.

This and Marvellous are the key transfers due to where they play on the pitch.  No way can we go into the season with Hourihane in there, great though he was last season, this is a different level and he's not up to it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2019, 10:32:07 PM
Have other teams been getting work permits more quickly? Established internationals at top fifty ranked nations should do automatically. Others shouldn't be getting pushed through before ours.

You'd think they might get extra staff in for the last couple of weeks of the transfer window.

I expect Hot Lips to start at Tottenham as these guys won't be ready.

Annoyingly, when we had a Villa fan as Home Secretary they still couldn't wait to fast-track Arshavin's application through and shaft us out of the top four.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on July 31, 2019, 10:46:55 PM
Probably down to lack of resources at the Home Office.....Tory austerity measures coming to the fore! Most civil service departments have suffered severe job cuts....thanks Theresa May and fuck-off!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 31, 2019, 10:55:02 PM
Videos on twitter/IG today show Doug training........in Brazil.


Just over visiting his mate Bolsonaro!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: BC54 VFC on July 31, 2019, 11:07:20 PM
Videos on twitter/IG today show Doug training........in Brazil.


Just over visiting his mate Bolsonaro!
:)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2019, 11:07:49 PM
May use Engels as a DM against Spurs.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2019, 11:29:44 PM
Videos on twitter/IG today show Doug training........in Brazil.


Just over visiting his mate Bolsonaro!

If he's mates with that homophobic bellend we can send him back to Man City!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 31, 2019, 11:41:06 PM
Neither him or Marvelous are starting against Spuds.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2019, 11:48:35 PM
Neither him or Marvelous are starting against Spuds.

One thing I understood at a very early age thanks to the Aston Villa News & Record was the team starting the first game looked completely different to the team that finished the season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on August 01, 2019, 07:35:54 AM
Neither him or Marvelous are starting against Spuds.

I'm beginning to think the same.  In order for either to start, they need a run out on Saturday and this is looking increasingly unlikely unless something goes through today.

I'm not comfortable with either Conor or Engels playing there.  It's a key position against one of the best teams in Europe, away from home.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2019, 10:07:24 AM
Have other teams been getting work permits more quickly? Established internationals at top fifty ranked nations should do automatically. Others shouldn't be getting pushed through before ours.

You'd think they might get extra staff in for the last couple of weeks of the transfer window.

I expect Hot Lips to start at Tottenham as these guys won't be ready.

Annoyingly, when we had a Villa fan as Home Secretary they still couldn't wait to fast-track Arshavin's application through and shaft us out of the top four.

Seemed like we got Wesley's much quicker than this.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2019, 11:07:19 AM
Signed subject to work permit 13th June.

Completed signing 2nd July.

So nineteen days. How long have we beat waiting on Luiz, now?

Edit: it's only been seven days 😢
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: not3bad on August 01, 2019, 02:10:05 PM
Neither him or Marvelous are starting against Spuds.

Marvelous might be?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2019, 02:25:44 PM
I've had a vague feeling he might be plan B, insurance against Doug not getting a permit.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: bjfoster on August 01, 2019, 03:14:52 PM
I don't understand why we'd parade him on the Official Site if it isn't fully completed.

Surely it gets everyone's hopes up?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 01, 2019, 04:32:26 PM
Home Office probably busy with WP's with the deadline next Thursday. Wesley's took over two weeks. Also, don't forget this is a Government run department, so bound to be inefficient and lacking resource.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2019, 11:12:09 PM
Some on VT claiming that Dean did some sort of Q and A tonight and said that the WP for Douglas is sorted and he will be in Germany for the game. No clue where this Q and A took place though.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on August 02, 2019, 07:14:59 AM
Some on VT claiming that Dean did some sort of Q and A tonight and said that the WP for Douglas is sorted and he will be in Germany for the game. No clue where this Q and A took place though.

It was at the Conservative club in Great Barr
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 02, 2019, 09:33:07 AM
Good news on Doug's WP. Imagine midfield will be Jack, SJM and Doug.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 02, 2019, 02:49:01 PM
Some on VT claiming that Dean did some sort of Q and A tonight and said that the WP for Douglas is sorted and he will be in Germany for the game. No clue where this Q and A took place though.

It was at the Conservative club in Great Barr

That's Dean's H&V honeymoon period over. ;)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 02, 2019, 02:53:20 PM
Some on VT claiming that Dean did some sort of Q and A tonight and said that the WP for Douglas is sorted and he will be in Germany for the game. No clue where this Q and A took place though.

It was at the Conservative club in Great Barr

Oh Deano. What have you done!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 02, 2019, 05:53:22 PM
Was Douglas at training today? Deano said he would be in Germany with the squad. WP apparently sorted.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: spartacuss on August 02, 2019, 06:09:08 PM
Some on VT claiming that Dean did some sort of Q and A tonight and said that the WP for Douglas is sorted and he will be in Germany for the game. No clue where this Q and A took place though.

It was at the Conservative club in Great Barr
As an honorary South Wallian, who's visited a few Con Clubs down there, I can assure you that most attendees are there for the price of the beer - not to vote for the Greedy, Toxic Tossers' Party!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: kieron on August 02, 2019, 06:13:03 PM
Given he was apparently in Brazil(?) yesterday according to his social media, you'd think that training or being involved in the game after a 6,000 mile trip to Germany probably won't happen...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on August 03, 2019, 12:22:42 AM
Players often have to do that though.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 03, 2019, 12:52:53 AM
Some on VT claiming that Dean did some sort of Q and A tonight and said that the WP for Douglas is sorted and he will be in Germany for the game. No clue where this Q and A took place though.


It was at the Conservative club in Great Barr
As an honorary South Wallian, who's visited a few Con Clubs down there, I can assure you that most attendees are there for the price of the beer - not to vote for the Greedy, Toxic Tossers' Party!

Your beer money's funding the pricks. Form a WMC!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 03, 2019, 10:23:55 AM
Some on VT claiming that Dean did some sort of Q and A tonight and said that the WP for Douglas is sorted and he will be in Germany for the game. No clue where this Q and A took place though.

It was at the Conservative club in Great Barr

Oh Deano. What have you done!

His uncle runs it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2019, 10:44:35 AM
good for him, I love a discounted pint of Doombar, me.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on August 03, 2019, 12:55:36 PM
Why do WMCs always sell doom bar?  Not complaining, I like it and I love my local one. Part sports bar part Phoenix nights cabaret club, £10 a year, canít go wrong.

Our local is ruled by a squad of butch matriarchs who dish out rough justice. Best memory is some piss head being made clean up his own sick in the bogs when he could barely stand up or talk.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2019, 05:14:17 PM
When I was very young my parents rented a friend's house in Cadgwith, Cornwall, three times a year and I'm still going back there now. The local pub serves Doombar and the first thing our friends do when they come down with us is to down a couple of pints before unpacking.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2019, 07:50:55 PM
His personal trainer has said that Luiz will be in the UK on Monday. Looks like everything cleared.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2019, 07:52:41 PM
Why do WMCs always sell doom bar?  Not complaining, I like it and I love my local one. Part sports bar part Phoenix nights cabaret club, £10 a year, canít go wrong.

Our local is ruled by a squad of butch matriarchs who dish out rough justice. Best memory is some piss head being made clean up his own sick in the bogs when he could barely stand up or talk.

It's the ale version of Carling, cheap and nasty and everywhere.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2019, 08:00:58 PM
Why do WMCs always sell doom bar?  Not complaining, I like it and I love my local one. Part sports bar part Phoenix nights cabaret club, £10 a year, canít go wrong.

Our local is ruled by a squad of butch matriarchs who dish out rough justice. Best memory is some piss head being made clean up his own sick in the bogs when he could barely stand up or talk.

It's the ale version of Carling, cheap and nasty and everywhere.

This is correct. It tastes like somebody has marinated a pack of digestive biscuits in dishwater overnight.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 03, 2019, 08:03:55 PM
His personal trainer has said that Luiz will be in the UK on Monday. Looks like everything cleared.

At last, where did you hear that?
He'll be massively important for us this year!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on August 03, 2019, 08:11:07 PM
Must admit I donít mind it. Itís insipid but drinkable after a game of 5 aside when Iím gasping and, admittedly,  senses are compromised. The alternative is actual carling as well.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on August 03, 2019, 08:23:46 PM
His personal trainer has said that Luiz will be in the UK on Monday. Looks like everything cleared.

At last, where did you hear that?
He'll be massively important for us this year!

Here you go (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/08/03/15m-aston-villa-signing-douglas-luiz-set/)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 03, 2019, 09:07:09 PM
His personal trainer has said that Luiz will be in the UK on Monday. Looks like everything cleared.

At last, where did you hear that?
He'll be massively important for us this year!

Here you go (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/08/03/15m-aston-villa-signing-douglas-luiz-set/)


Looks promising for Monday! A Manchester City grade player in our team! Hopefully he can get up to speed quickly. A long drawn out process but worth it. A pivotal signing!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 03, 2019, 10:08:05 PM
His personal trainer has said that Luiz will be in the UK on Monday. Looks like everything cleared.

At last, where did you hear that?
He'll be massively important for us this year!

Here you go (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/08/03/15m-aston-villa-signing-douglas-luiz-set/)




My real identity unmasked. Thatís my Instagram that asked Luizís trainer
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 05, 2019, 08:52:11 PM
That muppet Jack Woodward interviewed Deano for nearly 10 minutes (on Youtube) and failed to ask about Douglas and his WP situation. Deano did mention him when he went through the list of recruitments, but didn't mention any update on his whereabouts. I think things are probably ok but there's still a slight nagging doubt. This is such an important signing. A Man City grade player in our team! (Hopefully)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 06, 2019, 04:06:34 AM
Hmmm but how is his name pronounced?

I keep thinking it should be Lew-itz, but could be Lew-izz, or Lew-iss...

Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2019, 07:00:37 AM
Douglas Louise, is how it's said, apparently.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: baddowvillans on August 06, 2019, 07:26:11 AM
So if he was supposed to be here by Monday...........
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 06, 2019, 07:41:10 AM
Are we fining him already for being late?!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 06, 2019, 07:51:22 AM
Douglas Louise, is how it's said, apparently.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2019, 08:53:04 AM
But does he actually exist?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Fred Crump on August 06, 2019, 08:56:47 AM
Is he a relative of Juninho? Have a horrible feeling he will suddenly surface at Boro
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 06, 2019, 10:48:00 AM
His gates are stuck....
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 06, 2019, 11:39:08 AM
His gates are stuck....

haha.  Maybe the work permit was for someone to come over and oil them.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: baddowvillans on August 06, 2019, 03:48:53 PM
Where's Doug?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 06, 2019, 03:49:49 PM
Can we remove the "confirmed" from the thread title until he actually is, please?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2019, 04:27:15 PM
good idea - I suppose if it doesn't come off it's another £15m towards someone else, now or in January
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on August 06, 2019, 04:31:52 PM
Iíd still be surprised if it doesnít happen. Pravda covering it etc.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2019, 04:41:31 PM
If the club confirmed it why is it not confirmed?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 06, 2019, 04:45:23 PM
Because it was only "confirmed" subject to a work permit and international clearance.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2019, 05:00:25 PM
Douglas Louise, is how it's said, apparently.

Cheers.

You can call him Mary-Jo if it makes you happy.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2019, 05:01:08 PM
No mention of him in any of DS's interviews, no sign of him in any training photos, nothing at all beyond his trainer saying he was over here yesterday - all that, plus his previous struggles to get a work permit is starting to worry me.

This, IMHO, is our best and most important signing this close season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2019, 05:03:52 PM
No mention of him in any of DS's interviews..

Deano mentioned him as though he was already signed.*

*Bring back Doug.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 06, 2019, 05:17:29 PM
The team photo on Friday will be interesting - there will either be a Photoshop of him in the picture or one of those insert shots of his head and shoulders ( no not a bottle of shampoo) tagged on the end of photo like they used to feature in Shoot or Charles Buchan football magazines ........for younger posters ask yer  grandad :)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2019, 05:28:54 PM
the marketing department are working on a Spot the Doug competition.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 06, 2019, 05:38:39 PM
No mention of him in any of DS's interviews..

Deano mentioned him as though he was already signed.*

*Bring back Doug.


Yes, he mentioned Doug as signed in the interview yesterday - I wish Jack Woodward would've asked Deano for an update in that interview! Muppet Jack!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2019, 06:15:18 PM
Am I right in thinking he can't play on Saturday anyway? If so, there's no rush. I'm sure whatever needs to be sorted will be.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2019, 06:34:23 PM
Am I right in thinking he can't play on Saturday anyway? If so, there's no rush. I'm sure whatever needs to be sorted will be.

Why not? He's unlikely to play even if things are sorted because of a lack of training with the squad and potential jet lag but I don't see why he couldn't.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2019, 06:37:15 PM
Just something I read somewhere or someone mentioned it, I forget which but I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 06, 2019, 07:02:32 PM
No mention of him in any of DS's interviews..

Deano mentioned him as though he was already signed.*

*Bring back Doug.

He did.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2019, 07:07:05 PM
He has already signed hasnít he? Itís the work permit thatís the issue.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 06, 2019, 07:22:58 PM
He has already signed hasnít he? Itís the work permit thatís the issue.

I suppose Wesley's WP took nearly 3 weeks, but the fact that this deal was first mentioned on 12th July and he still isn't training with the squad is still a concern nearly a month later. Not the best preparation with the kick-off only days away.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 06, 2019, 07:30:43 PM
Yeah, it's a shame he hasn't been able to train or take part in preseason. You'd think they would have extra staff on for the last week before the deadline, at least.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2019, 07:31:48 PM
Yeah, it's a shame he hasn't been able to train or take part in preseason. You'd think they would have extra staff on for the last week before the deadline, at least.

Tory austerity.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2019, 07:32:42 PM
Yeah, it's a shame he hasn't been able to train or take part in preseason. You'd think they would have extra staff on for the last week before the deadline, at least.

Why should they go out of their way to help the football industry, though? I am sure they're overloaded as it is, work-wise.

I doubt that's the problem, though, as other players have got theirs. My worry is that we're having trouble actually getting it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 06, 2019, 07:40:38 PM
Yeah, it's a shame he hasn't been able to train or take part in preseason. You'd think they would have extra staff on for the last week before the deadline, at least.

Tory austerity.

More likely, I agree
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on August 06, 2019, 07:53:08 PM
I am totally relaxed in the knowledge that this government has a truly amazing and unblemished immigration record.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 06, 2019, 07:59:03 PM
I am totally relaxed in the knowledge that this government has a truly amazing and unblemished immigration record.

Hopefully he will arrive by plane, and not by boat.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 06, 2019, 08:07:22 PM
Yeah, it's a shame he hasn't been able to train or take part in preseason. You'd think they would have extra staff on for the last week before the deadline, at least.

Why should they go out of their way to help the football industry, though? I am sure they're overloaded as it is, work-wise.

I doubt that's the problem, though, as other players have got theirs. My worry is that we're having trouble actually getting it.

Either way, they need to get a fucking move on.

I will less than amused if they turn down his application five minutes before the deadline expires, too late for us to sign that Leeds bloke or anyone else.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 06, 2019, 08:22:55 PM
Maybe Man City know more about his WP issues - I realise that he is more likely to get a regular place in the team at Villa than Citeh  but it seems odd that someone so apparently  well thought of isn't in their squad this season - if Citeh had issues with the WP why did we surmise we could overcome any stumbling blocks ?
From limited  footage the guy looks decent and I still hope he comes to us but he will be at least one month behind our squad in terms of fitness and team building - possibly one for January now
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 06, 2019, 08:35:43 PM
We thought we would be able to get a work permit while they couldn't because one of the criteria is that he must be among the top x% of wage earners at the club, which is going to be a lot easier at Villa than at Man City. If it comes down to the club having to plead their case, we would also be more able to demonstrate that he is likely to have a significant first team role.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 06, 2019, 08:36:38 PM
Why can't the club issue some sort of update instead of all this speculation? He was supposedly arriving from Brazil yesterday? Something doesn't feel right with this deal.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 06, 2019, 09:04:11 PM
Can anyone translate this? Assume visto is a work permit?

https://globoesporte.globo.com/google/amp/futebol/futebol-internacional/futebol-ingles/noticia/finalmente-com-visto-douglas-luiz-viaja-para-se-apresentar-em-definitivo-ao-aston-villa.ghtml
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on August 06, 2019, 09:14:36 PM
According to Google Translate...
 
Finally with a visa, Douglas Luiz travels to perform at Aston Villa
Brazilian midfielder met technical committee in the United States, but did not train with the cast

There were 24 days of waiting since the confirmation of the hit. Hired by Aston Villa from Machester City for £ 15 million, Douglas Luiz had to wait until Monday for a work visa that will allow him to play English football. The trip from Rio de Janeiro to Birmingham will be on Tuesday night.

Douglas had medical examinations and reported to the Aston Villa coaching staff during the team's preseason in Minessota, USA, but did not even train with the cast. The group spent a week in the city and returned to England, while the steering wheel returned to Rio de Janeiro.

Douglas is released to defend Aston Villa - Photo: Press Release
In his hometown, Douglas kept fit by training on his own with the help of a personal trainer, but without any specific guidance from Aston Villa.

He believes he would be able to play for at least 45 minutes in the Premier League opening game on Saturday against Tottenham. But the immediate debut is very unlikely. Having not participated in the preseason and none of the four friendly matches played so far, the Brazilian is behind his teammates in the question of intermingling.

Despite the delay, visa issuance was received with relief. That's because the UK work permit was denied last season by the Football Association (FA) when Pep Guardiola wanted to bring him back from the Girona loan.

This time, the release to play in England was seen as much more likely because, at Aston Villa, Douglas is theoretically much more likely to become a starter than in the starring City squad.

Douglas is one of 12 reinforcements announced by the Villains to date. After three years in the second tier, the club has spent more than £ 120 million aiming to stay in the elite - the transfer window closes on Thursday. The biggest investment was striker Wesley Moraes, who was at Club Brugges in Belgium.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 06, 2019, 09:15:02 PM
Can anyone translate this? Assume visto is a work permit?

https://globoesporte.globo.com/google/amp/futebol/futebol-internacional/futebol-ingles/noticia/finalmente-com-visto-douglas-luiz-viaja-para-se-apresentar-em-definitivo-ao-aston-villa.ghtml

He was still in Brazil earlier today for sure. A night flight over is certainly looking likely. Iíd trust the local news report. (It basically says he was granted his WP yesterday and flying to UK tonight)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on August 06, 2019, 09:15:43 PM
Can anyone translate this? Assume visto is a work permit?

https://globoesporte.globo.com/google/amp/futebol/futebol-internacional/futebol-ingles/noticia/finalmente-com-visto-douglas-luiz-viaja-para-se-apresentar-em-definitivo-ao-aston-villa.ghtml

Here you go (https://globoesporte.globo.com/google/amp/futebol/futebol-internacional/futebol-ingles/noticia/finalmente-com-visto-douglas-luiz-viaja-para-se-apresentar-em-definitivo-ao-aston-villa.ghtml)

Sorry it didn't work but I see someone else managed to do it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on August 06, 2019, 09:16:20 PM
It will be fine. Relax everyone. He will make his first appearance in the home game vs Bournemouth. Of that I am sure.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2019, 09:29:17 PM
Visa granted!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on August 06, 2019, 09:29:53 PM
Excellent.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 06, 2019, 09:31:48 PM
Great stuff. Potentially the most important signing we have made.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on August 06, 2019, 09:31:57 PM
On his way ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👍
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 06, 2019, 09:37:22 PM
I bloody hope this is true! Won't believe it until he's pictured training at Bodymoor Heath.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on August 06, 2019, 09:39:07 PM
Excellent news...hopefully he gets his steering wheel through UK customs too.

Stick him on the bench for Spurs and give him a few minutes once we are 3-up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2019, 09:40:22 PM
As the other Doug would have said itís like a new signing
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 06, 2019, 09:49:01 PM
According to Google Translate...
 
Despite the delay, visa issuance was received with relief as Dougas believes the women in Brum are more attractive then in Rio. 

Pretty good translation, just missed out a bit.

His surname is, as posted earlier, pronounced louISE with the emphasis on the second syllable, or in a Rio accent, lu-EESH.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 06, 2019, 09:57:40 PM
We thought we would be able to get a work permit while they couldn't because one of the criteria is that he must be among the top x% of wage earners at the club, which is going to be a lot easier at Villa than at Man City. If it comes down to the club having to plead their case, we would also be more able to demonstrate that he is likely to. Have a significant first team role.
thanks for the explanation - seems clearer now
Also looks like he is on his way ...good news if he is
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 06, 2019, 10:01:39 PM
Is a visa the same as a WP?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 06, 2019, 10:03:05 PM
Must be I reckon.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 06, 2019, 10:03:59 PM
According to Google Translate...
 
Despite the delay, visa issuance was received with relief as Dougas believes the women in Brum are more attractive then in Rio. 

Pretty good translation, just missed out a bit.

They are where I go.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2019, 10:09:48 PM
Is a visa the same as a WP?

Visa is the global term for permission to enter the recipient state. Work Permit is the specific type of visa.

If you enter the US to go on holiday by way of example, then they'll staple a tourist visa into your passport. Youd need a green card (work permit) to work there legally.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2019, 10:17:58 PM
Great news, we now have a really classy midfield and plenty of options.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on August 06, 2019, 10:50:02 PM
Getting ready for the UK.

https://twitter.com/prsgame/status/1158853403629502466?s=21

I honestly think this bloke is (going to be) the real deal.
I really wouldnít be surprised if he got some minutes on Saturday regardless of the fact he will only have been here a few days.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 06, 2019, 10:50:31 PM
Is a visa the same as a WP?

Visa is the global term for permission to enter the recipient state. Work Permit is the specific type of visa.

If you enter the US to go on holiday by way of example, then they'll staple a tourist visa into your passport. Youd need a green card (work permit) to work there legally.

Cheers Ads. Sorry if Iím being thick. So this specific visa will allow him to work?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2019, 10:54:35 PM
Getting ready for the UK.

https://twitter.com/prsgame/status/1158853403629502466?s=21 (https://twitter.com/prsgame/status/1158853403629502466?s=21)

I honestly think this bloke is (going to be) the real deal.
I really wouldnít be surprised if he got some minutes on Saturday regardless of the fact he will only have been here a few days.

I agree, give it a couple of months and I think he'll be a massive part of the team. From everything I've seen he's got the makings of a world class deep playmaker.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2019, 11:00:38 PM
Yes so for example when I worked in the US I had to first qualify for VISA and the specific VISA provided me with a permit to work for the company that applied for the VISA on my behalf. So in this instance he can enter the UK to work for Villa. If we sold he would have to go through the process again.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 06, 2019, 11:19:04 PM
Jack, SJM and Luiz is going to be quite some midfield...flanked by 2 wingers and Big Wes up front. Any one getting excited yet?! 😁

On a side note, when was the last time we had a midfield unit looking this strong?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 06, 2019, 11:43:36 PM
Is a visa the same as a WP?

In this case "visto de trabalho" refers to a work permit. Brazilians don't need a Visa to enter the UK (at least not until Oct. 31).
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on August 07, 2019, 02:46:10 AM
Jack, SJM and Luiz is going to be quite some midfield...flanked by 2 wingers and Big Wes up front. Any one getting excited yet?! 😁

On a side note, when was the last time we had a midfield unit looking this strong?

I really having to work hard at keeping my feet on the ground.  I keep reminding myself it'll be a struggle first season back but I look at the squad and think we can really do something. 

Last time we had a midfield so strong, Barry, Petrov, Milner era?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on August 07, 2019, 06:48:52 AM
Popped up on my FB. Is this him and is this BHX?


(https://i.ibb.co/0mqhVFg/A00-F2643-A04-B-4542-B0-D3-3-FEED9-EA91-B3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0mqhVFg)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 06:50:00 AM
It does remind me of the start of 09/10... but I canít help remembering what came after.

Key for me is what happens next summer.  If the owners stick another big sum in the transfer kitty, Iíll start getting excited.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on August 07, 2019, 07:25:57 AM
On his way ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👍
There is a worrying amount of emoji usage creeping onto H&V. I hope it doesn't catch on.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on August 07, 2019, 08:47:06 AM
On his way ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👍
There is a worrying amount of emoji usage creeping onto H&V. I hope it doesn't catch on.

👏
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: dalians umbrella on August 07, 2019, 08:56:25 AM
Ok, wait for it:


La-la-la-la, lalalalalala
Luiz
Luiz


to the tune of:



Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on August 07, 2019, 09:05:52 AM
Song gets my thumbs up!

Excited that we've added the Brazil under 23 captain to the spine of the team. What with Heaton, Tyrone, Luiz, Jack (and SJM) I think the spine of the team is looking just grand.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2019, 09:15:09 AM
presumably a few weeks before he's up to speed and match fit?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 09:27:42 AM
I won't be expecting him or Marvelous to be starting the next few games.  They won't be up on fitness to the same level as the rest of the squad as neither had a pre-season, also they need to settle and mix and build up relationships with the rest of the squad.  Maybe even learn Chester's name  ;D
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 07, 2019, 10:32:59 AM
Marvelous was at the Afcon.  He only had two weeks off. I would imagine he might need honing to the higher tempo that is the premier league but he has been playing and training.  The honing element will also relate to Wesley, Engels et al.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on August 07, 2019, 10:36:11 AM
Does anyone know how long Luiz's last competitive game was?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 10:43:50 AM
Does anyone know how long Luiz's last competitive game was?

I so resisted saying 'about ninety minutes'!  :D
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 07, 2019, 10:46:49 AM
12th May was his last match for Girona in La Liga.

He also played, and won Player of the Tournament, for Brazil under-22's in the Toulon Tournament. He played and scored in their shootout victory in the Final on 15th June.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on August 07, 2019, 10:49:58 AM
Does anyone know how long Luiz's last competitive game was?

I so resisted saying 'about ninety minutes'!  :D
Hahaha!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on August 07, 2019, 10:55:00 AM
12th May was his last match for Girona in La Liga.

He also played, and won Player of the Tournament, for Brazil under-22's in the Toulon Tournament. He played a full 120 minutes and scored in the shootout in the Final on 15th June.
Cheers :-)  So he's had roughly 7 weeks with out a competitive match which would probably suggest he won't feature for a bit.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2019, 11:07:59 AM
12th May was his last match for Girona in La Liga.

He also played, and won Player of the Tournament, for Brazil under-22's in the Toulon Tournament. He played a full 120 minutes and scored in the shootout in the Final on 15th June.
Cheers :-)  So he's had roughly 7 weeks with out a competitive match which would probably suggest he won't feature for a bit.

I'm not sure, he looks like he's been doing a lot of work on his fitness over the last few weeks so I think the problem with putting him into the squad is more familiarity with the team than fitness. The match sharpness will only come from game time anyway and, regardless of pre-season, a lot of players across the league will be short on that. He probably won't be involved against spurs but I suspect he'll play a part against Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2019, 03:46:22 PM
Do we know for sure that the Work Permit has been approved, or is it still just based on those reports from Brazil ?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2019, 05:52:18 PM
Nearly had a panic attack reading the SSN ticker...then realised they were talking about that David Luiz twat at Chelsea trying to force a move to Arsenal!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2019, 06:00:10 PM
All done officially

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1159146089225838592?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBYdMolXUAApKPL?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on August 07, 2019, 06:01:32 PM
Phew ! 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 07, 2019, 06:03:27 PM
Surprised that there's nothing about Douglas reportedly being granted his Work Permit on the Official Website? If true, you'd think they'd want to announce it?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: baddowvillans on August 07, 2019, 06:03:28 PM
Great news to have it confirmed.  I think this is the player that excites most of us so let's hope he loves up to the expectations.  Like others I am concerned about whether we have enough goals but I think this guy will help provide the right springboard for others to score more.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2019, 06:05:03 PM
Awesome, superb, excellent and lots of other good words!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 07, 2019, 06:05:34 PM
Phew ! 

Beat me to it - great news at last!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2019, 06:06:58 PM
Surprised that there's nothing about Douglas reportedly being granted his Work Permit on the Official Website? If true, you'd think they'd want to announce it?

?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on August 07, 2019, 06:10:36 PM
Wrong thread
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
Surprised that there's nothing about Douglas reportedly being granted his Work Permit on the Official Website? If true, you'd think they'd want to announce it?

?

That will stop him panicking for all of five minutes hopefully.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2019, 06:12:53 PM
Ignore this reply to Andy! 🙈
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: villa_cads on August 07, 2019, 06:13:57 PM
That is a solid shirt stretch.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2019, 06:17:54 PM
Double confirmed, not as good as double secret probation but it will do.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 07, 2019, 06:29:24 PM
Surprised that there's nothing about Douglas reportedly being granted his Work Permit on the Official Website? If true, you'd think they'd want to announce it?

?

That will stop him panicking for all of five minutes hopefully.

Just get off my case ! Sick of your sarcasm
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on August 07, 2019, 06:31:29 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing him play if he starts on Saturday.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2019, 06:37:15 PM
Surprised that there's nothing about Douglas reportedly being granted his Work Permit on the Official Website? If true, you'd think they'd want to announce it?

?

That will stop him panicking for all of five minutes hopefully.

Just get off my case ! Sick of your sarcasm

Maybe not acting like a big girls blouse whenever the club don't do anything for three days would have helped. Thank god the window is closed tomorrow.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 07, 2019, 06:52:48 PM
Surprised that there's nothing about Douglas reportedly being granted his Work Permit on the Official Website? If true, you'd think they'd want to announce it?

?

That will stop him panicking for all of five minutes hopefully.

Just get off my case ! Sick of your sarcasm

Maybe not acting like a big girls blouse whenever the club don't do anything for three days would have helped. Thank god the window is closed tomorrow.

As I said get off my case! No need for the insults.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2019, 06:56:56 PM
I think this is the player that excites most of us so let's hope he loves up to the expectations.

Heís a good looking lad but Iím not sure he excites me in that way.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2019, 07:03:24 PM
Brilliant stuff. Could be a superstar.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 07:04:57 PM
I think this is the player that excites most of us so let's hope he loves up to the expectations.

Heís a good looking lad but Iím not sure he excites me in that way.

I donít even think youíre trying.   :'(
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 07, 2019, 07:08:04 PM
Surprised that there's nothing about Douglas reportedly being granted his Work Permit on the Official Website? If true, you'd think they'd want to announce it?

They have announced it. Picture a few posts up from yours is the picture from the announcement.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 07, 2019, 07:42:10 PM
It states he is now able to train with squad so one can assume it's been granted if he is allowed to take up gainful employment
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 07, 2019, 08:54:57 PM
I doubt we'll ever see another Villa signing turning up with those earrings. Not sure what Ron Saunders would think, nevermind Frank Barson.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on August 07, 2019, 09:02:54 PM
Are they earrings or hair? I spend a good 5 minutes trying to figure that out earlier.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 07, 2019, 09:04:23 PM
I won't believe he's signed until there's a third "confirmed" in the thread title.
Title: DOERe: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 09:06:50 PM
Do his earrings beat Jean Makounís white jeans?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2019, 09:16:05 PM
Do his earrings beat Jean Makounís white jeans?

Yes, but not his jumper.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 07, 2019, 09:18:03 PM
How could we forget that jumper :o
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2019, 09:47:54 PM
That diamond pattern pullover was a thing of true beauty.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 07, 2019, 09:56:47 PM
Iíve had a very good look and I think what we can see is both earrings and hair.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Keeno on August 07, 2019, 11:39:51 PM
I would love it if Deano just threw him in on Saturday.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2019, 12:01:04 AM
I would love it if Deano just threw him in on Saturday.

Same here. Disruption can be a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2019, 01:25:15 AM
I would love it if Deano just threw him in on Saturday.

Same here. Disruption can be a wonderful thing.

And yet, when you're tested in the white heat of battle, you're all "put your shirt back on. You're embarrassing yourself." Unbelievable. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2019, 01:57:17 AM
Lovely picture of Tom Heaton's dad and Doug

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBYqugEXYAALKGe?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2019, 07:03:02 AM
Hang on, is there any description of what his permit/visa entails? Until we have that, and where he's staying, what his squad number is and stuff we shouldn't be double confirming surely?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on August 08, 2019, 07:04:33 AM
Thatís when the triple confirmation happens.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2019, 07:19:57 AM
Hang on, is there any description of what his permit/visa entails? Until we have that, and where he's staying, what his squad number is and stuff we shouldn't be double confirming surely?
ĒCalling Eastie to the Luuiiiizzzze thread ...Ē
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2019, 07:22:15 AM
You'd think the club would have wanted to put up a picture of the work permit wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 08, 2019, 07:35:53 AM
You'd think the club would have wanted to put up a picture of the work permit wouldn't you?

Itís on display at Bodymoor reception. You can take your own immigration lawyer to inspect it with you.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2019, 08:16:41 AM
You'd think the club would have wanted to put up a picture of the work permit wouldn't you?

Itís on display at Bodymoor reception. You can take your own immigration lawyer to inspect it with you.

Haha!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2019, 01:06:48 PM
I would love it if Deano just threw him in on Saturday.

Same here. Disruption can be a wonderful thing.

And yet, when you're tested in the white heat of battle, you're all "put your shirt back on. You're embarrassing yourself." Unbelievable. 

Ha! I just about forgive you, Captain Caveman.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Diablo on August 08, 2019, 01:26:02 PM
Do his earrings beat Jean Makounís white jeans?

Yes, but not his jumper.
(https://i.ibb.co/CsN00wN/gettyimages-108053237-2048x2048.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CsN00wN)

Sadly couldn't find one showing his jeans off too. Strong jumper but not quite as strong a top stretch as our Douglas.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Keeno on August 08, 2019, 02:22:53 PM
Smith: ďDougie has trained. Heís fit. He has had 15 or 16 training sessions over in Brazil, too. We had issues getting his passport. He has his work permit now. He looks every bit the quality player that we wanted to see in the first training session.Ē
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: not3bad on August 08, 2019, 03:16:36 PM
Unleash the <<insert cool nickname here>>.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 08, 2019, 03:56:53 PM
Feed the Doug and he will score.

Only really works in a Scottish accent.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2019, 04:29:00 PM
you mean in a 'feed the goat and he  will score' manc type of way?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2019, 08:08:29 PM
He's going to be a cult hero.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 08, 2019, 08:54:24 PM
He's going to be a cult hero.
I've never seen a Brazilian in the flesh so he might well become a kind of cu*t hero :)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2019, 09:00:50 PM
He's going to be a cult hero.
I've never seen a Brazilian in the flesh so he might well become a kind of cu*t hero :)


Tut tut, naughty boy! lol
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2019, 05:44:30 PM
Looks like he'll be missing for the month of January as he's been invited to represent Brazil in their Olympic qualification games, the CONMEBOL Pre-Olympic Tournament in Colombia. Game are from the 15 Jan to Feb 2nd.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2019, 05:47:33 PM
Didn't see it today but sounds like he grew into the game and did well so at least that's a positive to take from today.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villa75 on August 17, 2019, 05:52:05 PM
Fantastic goal today, and some lovely passes.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2019, 05:54:39 PM
Did well after his fuck up, dummying the ball where he did was crazy but looked good once he settled down.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 17, 2019, 06:23:48 PM
With a few more games he'll be a big asset. Looks classy on the ball. Shame about the aberration when he did that step over. Will get much better - shame he missed all the friendlies due to the work permit and passport issues.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2019, 06:48:16 PM
With a few more games he'll be a big asset. Looks classy on the ball. Shame about the aberration when he did that step over. Will get much better - shame he missed all the friendlies due to the work permit and passport issues.

Think that's one of the frustrations of transfer window, DM key position for us yet the two we signed we couldn't get involved from start of pre season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 17, 2019, 06:50:50 PM
Grew into the game after his fuck up. He has a strange knack of looking like heís about to fuck up again but recovers. Looked strong and distributed the ball. Shame he doesnít have much in front of him to pass to. Also an excellent goal on his home debut.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: GarTomas on August 17, 2019, 06:52:08 PM
Will get better and better. Unfortunately I expect Man City to exercise their buyback clause in the summer!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 17, 2019, 07:50:33 PM
It's funny because during the shooting drill during warm up half hour before the game I was watching him and his shooting was horrendous, I said to the bloke next to me he's definetely a defensive midfielder aint he looking at these shots lol

Maybe it was a total one off strike maybe not, time will tell.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2019, 08:05:52 PM
The most exciting thing about him, apart from his wondergoal, was how he is so comfortable bring the ball forward. First half he played the defensive role given, linking up play but later in the game he picked up the ball and charged forward. Those type of runs will see us well over the season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: nigel on August 17, 2019, 09:05:35 PM
Grew into the game after his fuck up. He has a strange knack of looking like heís about to fuck up again but recovers. Looked strong and distributed the ball. Shame he doesnít have much in front of him to pass to. Also an excellent goal on his home debut.

Didn't see it today but sounds like he grew into the game and did well so at least that's a positive to take from today.

Thought he was awful for the first 20 mins then was ok for the rest of the first half.
Had a very good second half.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 17, 2019, 09:10:43 PM
Will get better and better. Unfortunately I expect Man City to exercise their buyback clause in the summer!

They wonít get a work permit unless they offer a shitload of money. He needs to be one of their main players. Heís a big talent.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on August 17, 2019, 09:42:25 PM
He wonít go back to city for at least two years
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 18, 2019, 12:02:46 AM
The technique for the goal was outrageous. Is he one that's really going to look best in a more advanced midfield position than defensive though, maybe the pace and hussle of the PL might be a bit more than he's used to? I suppose like Wesley it'll be something he'll get used to and learn to adapt to but I'm sure he'll be more than useful as an attacking force right from the off.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on August 18, 2019, 12:18:11 AM
Technique and comfortable on the ball in tight areas, while not yet at Man Citys desired level, I can see why Guadiola saw something in him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 18, 2019, 12:22:17 AM
Stunning strike and he looked absolutely delighted when it flew into the back of the net...may be a bit of release from his earlier fuck up thrown in for good measure.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 18, 2019, 12:24:39 AM
Stunning strike and he looked absolutely delighted when it flew into the back of the net...may be a bit of release from his earlier fuck up thrown in for good measure.
Yes, liked the way he tried to urge the crowd on afterwards, certainly must have helped him get over a costly mistake.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2019, 12:58:38 AM
One of those rare occasions where the crowd urging a player to "shoooooot" ends with it nestling in the net.  Awful mistake for their second but he was very good after that.  So comfortable on the ball.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Havencheese on August 18, 2019, 02:03:21 AM
Very excited about Douglas, a flawed home debut but there's just so much to work with. Appears to be very economical with his movement off the ball, might like to see a little more urgency when required but watching him flourish over season is something I'm looking forward to.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on August 18, 2019, 02:31:58 AM
Douglas, Engels and Trez have all really impressed me so far. Douglas impressed me the most.

Calm with a great eye for a pass and looks like he has time on the ball.  Good player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 18, 2019, 03:36:41 AM
He was a bit too calm at times today. Similar to Jack last week, he seemed to think he had more time on the ball than he had, and he got away with a few today. Iím sure heíll learn quickly though and be more aware of what players (theirs and his team mates) are around him.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 18, 2019, 04:30:23 PM
Very excited about Douglas, a flawed home debut but there's just so much to work with. Appears to be very economical with his movement off the ball, might like to see a little more urgency when required but watching him flourish over season is something I'm looking forward to.

I noticed that too. He literally didn't appear to break sweat. He looks very composed and I'm sure will grow to become the real deal. Love than he's obviously bought in to the team and club culture, his Twitter comment last night is a credit not only to him but what's being created at Villa Park. He's loving it.
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Post by: Villafirst on August 18, 2019, 05:45:53 PM
Douglas was very good considering he's had no pre-season matches, work permit issues and only arrived in the UK 11 days ago. He'll only get better. A class act.
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Post by: purpletrousers on August 19, 2019, 01:21:11 AM
Very excited about Douglas, a flawed home debut but there's just so much to work with. Appears to be very economical with his movement off the ball, might like to see a little more urgency when required but watching him flourish over season is something I'm looking forward to.

I noticed that too. He literally didn't appear to break sweat. He looks very composed and I'm sure will grow to become the real deal. Love than he's obviously bought in to the team and club culture, his Twitter comment last night is a credit not only to him but what's being created at Villa Park. He's loving it.

To save others:
‪@dg_douglas12 ‬

Que orgulho de estar nesse grande clube! Que clima, que vibraÁ„o, que torcida!
Infelizmente n„o foi o resultado que querŪamos, mas pode ter certeza que vamos batalhar bastante, os resultados positivos v„o aparecer! #AVFC #Dg6⚽️

=

What a pride to be in this great club! What a weather, what a vibe, what a cheer! Unfortunately it was not the result we wanted, but you can be sure that we will battle hard, the positive results will appear! #AVFC#Dg6⚽️
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Post by: Bad English on August 19, 2019, 09:58:53 AM
This is a translation posted by Portuguese-speaking sports journalist Bruna Reis (@BrunaSportsJour:

Quote from: Bruna Reis
#DouglasLuiz: ďProud to be part of this huge club. What an atmosphere, what a vibe and what amazing fans. Unfortunately it wasnít the result we wanted but know we will battle hard and the positive results will show!Ē #AVFC
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2019, 10:03:53 AM
Very excited about Douglas, a flawed home debut but there's just so much to work with. Appears to be very economical with his movement off the ball, might like to see a little more urgency when required but watching him flourish over season is something I'm looking forward to.

I noticed that too. He literally didn't appear to break sweat. He looks very composed and I'm sure will grow to become the real deal. Love than he's obviously bought in to the team and club culture, his Twitter comment last night is a credit not only to him but what's being created at Villa Park. He's loving it.

To save others:
‪@dg_douglas12 ‬

Que orgulho de estar nesse grande clube! Que clima, que vibraÁ„o, que torcida!
Infelizmente n„o foi o resultado que querŪamos, mas pode ter certeza que vamos batalhar bastante, os resultados positivos v„o aparecer! #AVFC #Dg6⚽️

=

What a pride to be in this great club! What a weather, what a vibe, what a cheer! Unfortunately it was not the result we wanted, but you can be sure that we will battle hard, the positive results will appear! #AVFC#Dg6⚽️

I wouldn't get used to the weather, it's going to be shit 90% of the time :-)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 19, 2019, 12:23:20 PM
His hair looks even lovelier in real life.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 20, 2019, 09:07:04 PM
His goal was judged European goal of the weekend on Channel 3's "goals goals goals" tonight over here.
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Post by: Dogtanian on August 23, 2019, 11:33:02 AM
His goal was judged European goal of the weekend on Channel 3's "goals goals goals" tonight over here.

He loved scoring it too, he was well chuffed.

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Monty on August 24, 2019, 12:53:39 AM
He won't get man of the match and doesn't appear much in the highlights packages, but I thought he was excellent tonight and he makes just an enormous difference to all of our play. Off the ball he's snappy without being reckless about his position, he's clever with his anticipation and gives nobody space; on the ball, calm, starts attacks, great at manipulating they opponent's press with his movement and almost never gives it away. Andre Gomes was poor in part because Doug and SJM have him zero time and space. I think we've got a real player here.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 24, 2019, 01:25:44 PM
Am still not convinced he is okay but for me hasnít got me he villa factor yet. - not physically strong enough is my concern. Okay for a wide player but not for someone playing in a he middle
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Post by: clash city rocker on August 24, 2019, 02:29:24 PM
Think he is an absolutely quality player who will develop and contribute more in the coming months.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 24, 2019, 02:30:34 PM
Am still not convinced he is okay but for me hasnít got me he villa factor yet. - not physically strong enough is my concern. Okay for a wide player but not for someone playing in a he middle

He's only been the country three weeks, so not really surprising he's not yet up to scratch.  He will be though.  Nakamba too.
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Post by: Villafirst on August 24, 2019, 02:39:31 PM
Am still not convinced he is okay but for me hasnít got me he villa factor yet. - not physically strong enough is my concern. Okay for a wide player but not for someone playing in a he middle

Give the guy time.  He's played no pre-season matches and has been over here five minutes. You can see the quality is there, it'll take a few matches for him to be fully up to speed.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on August 24, 2019, 03:20:59 PM
He's a class act. Technically excellent, gliding around the pitch. I think every Villa fan will be madly in love with this chap by the end of the season.
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Post by: Ads on August 24, 2019, 03:41:32 PM
He never gets knocked off the ball and looks a real player in possession.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 24, 2019, 03:41:49 PM
No doubt Luiz is class. He already provides a shield for our back 5, and weíd be a much weaker team without him. As with the rest of the team, heís only going to get better the more games we have and heís clearly a step up in quality from Conor or Whelan in the same position (although we do miss Conor on set pieces).
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Post by: garyshawsknee on August 24, 2019, 03:42:16 PM
Yeah, always looked assured on the ball. Will only get better and better.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2019, 05:38:35 PM
Heíll be superb.
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Post by: wittonwarrior on August 24, 2019, 06:05:41 PM
You all better be right. I trust you
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 24, 2019, 07:12:04 PM
He'll be fine
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 24, 2019, 09:52:50 PM
A class act.

His name should be Dennis. Not Douglas.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: rob_bridge on August 24, 2019, 10:57:55 PM
How well we do this season largely depend on Douggie and Wes as we have like for like in all other positions
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2019, 11:53:14 PM
He's an extremely important player for us, in that position.

I think he'll turn out to be a great signing.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 25, 2019, 05:52:12 PM
I think he had a good game on Friday, speedy and nipping at the opposition whenever they had the ball, looked far more comfortable.

I think heís the type of midfield player we have lacked for a good few seasons now.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 25, 2019, 07:46:46 PM
Looks very, very good
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 25, 2019, 10:16:50 PM
Am still not convinced he is okay but for me hasnít got me he villa factor yet. - not physically strong enough is my concern. Okay for a wide player but not for someone playing in a he middle
Blimey, opinions are fine; rabid neurosis less so.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave P on August 26, 2019, 08:08:57 AM
Since Makelele / Viera / Keane, this position has been vital in Premier a league football. Think how vital Kante was for Leicester etc. This lad will get better and better when he gets to grips with the pace of the game. Ability wise, he certainly has Ďití.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 05, 2019, 05:38:34 PM
He doesnít score tap ins does he? Outstanding goal again today.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 05, 2019, 06:04:51 PM
Nice position to come on as a sub, but thought he looked good today when he came on and scored a great goal.
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Post by: Monty on October 05, 2019, 06:24:48 PM
He doesnít score tap ins does he? Outstanding goal again today.

Nope, exclusively thunderbastards.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on October 05, 2019, 06:43:29 PM
Left out, some would say harshly, after the international break.  Sees Marvelous play well, Hourihane get a goal... comes on and has to show why he should be playing.

God bless strength in depth!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on October 05, 2019, 07:36:50 PM
Having decent strength in depth and good substitute options is definitely  very important across the season.

Also, must be remembered that we have quite a few players that are young, new to the league and/or country and being in a position to bed them in slowly and not having to rush them is probably helpful. Added bonus if we can bring them into a team that is doing well of course.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on October 05, 2019, 07:53:05 PM
Reminds me of when Lee Hendrie had that six week patch of scoring 3-4 goal of the month shots from 25 yards into top corner.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2019, 08:05:41 PM
It's not bad having two players who can hit a ball as sweetly as they do, in Hourihane and Luiz, is it?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Pete3206 on October 05, 2019, 10:02:14 PM
Doug should be starting for me. Looks like a very good player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on October 05, 2019, 10:05:28 PM
We have great competition, but think he is going to be a class act.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 05, 2019, 10:20:49 PM
Its great finally having depth in midfield now, he'll end up playing more and more. Once he's fully up to speed, him and marvellous are gonna be a hell of a pairing.
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Post by: villan from luton on October 05, 2019, 10:24:05 PM
Its great finally having depth in midfield now, he'll end up playing more and more. Once he's fully up to speed, him and marvellous are gonna be a hell of a pairing.

I agree and the three above them will move as they wish. SJM and Jack for sure but think Trezuguet will compete with El Ghazi, but brilliant we have such talent
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Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2019, 11:17:03 PM
He has real quality about him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on October 05, 2019, 11:23:43 PM
Luiz, Nakamba, McGinn with Hourihane alternating could be our midfield for years, I much prefer Jack further forward as in the last two games.
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Post by: paul_e on October 05, 2019, 11:26:04 PM
His goal today was fantastic again, just like his last one it's not smashed but rather just placed into the top corner. he made it look so easy that I think a lot of people haven't appreciated just how brilliant it is.
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Post by: Rudy65 on October 05, 2019, 11:36:18 PM
His goal today was fantastic again, just like his last one it's not smashed but rather just placed into the top corner. he made it look so easy that I think a lot of people haven't appreciated just how brilliant it is.

It was. If you see it in slo mo the GK is miles away, he never had a chance. Great strike
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Post by: Damo70 on October 05, 2019, 11:41:16 PM
His goal today was fantastic again, just like his last one it's not smashed but rather just placed into the top corner. he made it look so easy that I think a lot of people haven't appreciated just how brilliant it is.

It was. If you see it in slo mo the GK is miles away, he never had a chance. Great strike


It was a goal of casual brilliance. A statement of 'I am good and I know it'. It was like somebody showing off in a training session. I like him.
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Post by: eamonn on October 06, 2019, 12:08:17 AM
Reminds me of when Lee Hendrie had that six week patch of scoring 3-4 goal of the month shots from 25 yards into top corner.

15 years ago to the month. Pearler against Palace at VP even if it was against the pyjama goalie; Highbury where he scores at the Clock End before running the length of the pitch to celebrate with the Villa fans (ŗ la Savo at Blackburn in '95), an absolute pearler at Goodison and then a confident and classy finish in the rain against Fulham at home.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 06, 2019, 12:12:00 AM
Didnít their keeper drop his hand mid dive because he knew he was beat?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 06, 2019, 01:20:17 AM
Luiz, Nakamba, McGinn with Hourihane alternating could be our midfield for years, I much prefer Jack further forward as in the last two games.


Agree with that Luke.  I think the 4-2-3-1 formation could really work for us going forward.  McGinn has been really good in a more advanced role in the last couple of games and I can see the midfield below really taking shape:

         Douglas        Nakamba

                      McGinn



 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: KRS on October 06, 2019, 04:10:46 AM
Only just seen some of the highlights from todayís game (currently in Mexico), and another excellent goal today. Did he start the game or come on as sub?

Also donít think itís been mentioned, but when did Luiz have his dreads cut off?
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Post by: rooboy316 on October 06, 2019, 05:02:52 AM
His goal today was fantastic again, just like his last one it's not smashed but rather just placed into the top corner. he made it look so easy that I think a lot of people haven't appreciated just how brilliant it is.

It's something I'd like to see Jack do more of, technically.  The last few shots JG has had from outside the box, he's tried to smash the ball by striking through it to get more power and swerve.  He's so skilled and composed, I feel it'd be more effective to try and curl and place the ball ala Luiz.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: JD on October 06, 2019, 05:24:13 AM
The great thing is as good as Luiz is (and he's brilliant) is that everyone is stepping up. Marvellous and Conor have stepped up in the past couple of games.
I think given the competition for lots of positions we are going to get better this season.
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Post by: Axl Rose on October 06, 2019, 05:44:09 AM
Only just seen some of the highlights from todayís game (currently in Mexico), and another excellent goal today. Did he start the game or come on as sub?

Also donít think itís been mentioned, but when did Luiz have his dreads cut off?

He came on as a sub, mate. Not too sure about his dreads.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: KRS on October 06, 2019, 06:52:30 AM
His goal today was fantastic again, just like his last one it's not smashed but rather just placed into the top corner. he made it look so easy that I think a lot of people haven't appreciated just how brilliant it is.

It's something I'd like to see Jack do more of, technically.  The last few shots JG has had from outside the box, he's tried to smash the ball by striking through it to get more power and swerve.  He's so skilled and composed, I feel it'd be more effective to try and curl and place the ball ala Luiz.
Could Jacks wayward shots be something to do with the weight of the ball and how it travels? Obviously they train with the balls every day but it could take a few games to get used to it if theyíve made changes to the ball again this season. In any case, Jack has been criticised for not shooting enough in the past so Iíd rather see him taking shots on whether they miss or not.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: WarszaVillan on October 06, 2019, 07:54:47 AM
His goal today was fantastic again, just like his last one it's not smashed but rather just placed into the top corner. he made it look so easy that I think a lot of people haven't appreciated just how brilliant it is.

It's something I'd like to see Jack do more of, technically.  The last few shots JG has had from outside the box, he's tried to smash the ball by striking through it to get more power and swerve.  He's so skilled and composed, I feel it'd be more effective to try and curl and place the ball ala Luiz.
Could Jacks wayward shots be something to do with the weight of the ball and how it travels? Obviously they train with the balls every day but it could take a few games to get used to it if theyíve made changes to the ball again this season. In any case, Jack has been criticised for not shooting enough in the past so Iíd rather see him taking shots on whether they miss or not.

He had a nice shot on goal yesterday from outside the box, not long after his goal, which went just wide
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Post by: Ads on October 06, 2019, 08:06:26 AM
Jack had a few shots first half that were on their way save some decent blocks deflecting them wide.

McGinn had a curler that looked like it was heading in from our angle too.

We had so much time around their box.
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Post by: dave shelley on October 06, 2019, 09:59:48 AM
His goal today was fantastic again, just like his last one it's not smashed but rather just placed into the top corner. he made it look so easy that I think a lot of people haven't appreciated just how brilliant it is.

I think it's his goal that I noticed that a fair few Norwich supporters appreciated it too.  You can briefly see a few applauding after it went in.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 06, 2019, 11:08:25 AM
Luiz is a class act. No question.
We have to find a way to include him in the side every week.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 06, 2019, 11:11:37 AM
His goal today was fantastic again, just like his last one it's not smashed but rather just placed into the top corner. he made it look so easy that I think a lot of people haven't appreciated just how brilliant it is.

I don't think anyone doubts what a brilliantly taken goal it was.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 06, 2019, 11:12:22 AM
I would start him over Hourihane.

He has a goal and an assist, so probably earns his place against Brighton, but off the ball I'm less convinced and his general play is a but more anonymous.
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Post by: Ian. on October 06, 2019, 11:17:42 AM
I would start him over Hourihane.

He has a goal and an assist, so probably earns his place against Brighton, but off the ball I'm less convinced and his general play is a but more anonymous.
Itís a great situation to be in and I reckon depending on who weíre playing that may well be the case of swapping these two. Marvellous has fast become one of the first names on the team sheet though along with Jack and SJM.
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Post by: Risso on October 06, 2019, 11:59:36 AM
His goal today was fantastic again, just like his last one it's not smashed but rather just placed into the top corner. he made it look so easy that I think a lot of people haven't appreciated just how brilliant it is.

Yeah, I thought it was just a shit tap in from two yards out! 😉
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 06, 2019, 12:01:25 PM
Iím annoyed heís shortened his hair.  I canít sing that Craig David song about him anymore.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 06, 2019, 02:40:29 PM
His goal today was fantastic again, just like his last one it's not smashed but rather just placed into the top corner. he made it look so easy that I think a lot of people haven't appreciated just how brilliant it is.

Yeah, I thought it was just a shit tap in from two yards out! 😉

For Clampy too, I don't mean on here, or amongst Villa fans really. MotD didn't mention it in the studio, a few other places I've seen reports which read largely as "and Luiz scored late on as well".
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Post by: Footy-Vill on October 25, 2019, 03:12:52 PM
Guardiola has said Douglas would have been at Man City if it wasn't for the work permit issues:

"We have an option to get him back but sometimes life is like this. We wanted him because last season we had problems in that position because we didnít buy a holding midfielder"

"We wanted him before so we thought about it but the rules with the work permit meant it was not possible. I thought he would be here with the pre-season he played last year in the States, he was really good. I think he had the quality to play with us but he could not do it.

"The talent is always there, weíll see at the end of the season what his level is but the quality is always there."


Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 25, 2019, 03:19:09 PM
There is no clause. And Man City will only be able to sign him if he gets a work permit. Unless he becomes a Brazil regular, that likely means they would have to have him among their highest-earning players. He'd have to be bloody good for that to happen.
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Post by: LeeB on October 25, 2019, 03:24:48 PM
There is no clause. And Man City will only be able to sign him if he gets a work permit. Unless he becomes a Brazil regular, that likely means they would have to have him among their highest-earning players. He'd have to be bloody good for that to happen.

The whole deal is a ruse anyway to keep them distracted from realising how good Marvellous is.
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Post by: Risso on October 25, 2019, 03:26:13 PM
I don't think Luiz is good enough for them as it stands, and don't think they'll be enforcing the buy back this year.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 25, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
Called up to the Brazil squad. Our first member of the SeleÁ„o since Nigel Reo-Coker, I believe.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 25, 2019, 03:34:15 PM
There is no clause. And Man City will only be able to sign him if he gets a work permit. Unless he becomes a Brazil regular, that likely means they would have to have him among their highest-earning players. He'd have to be bloody good for that to happen.

Have you seen his goals !!
Unbelievable and so effortless.
Love this guy he's class act
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 25, 2019, 04:07:52 PM
I don't think Luiz is good enough for them as it stands, and don't think they'll be enforcing the buy back this year.

This will all change tomorrow.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: DrGonzo on October 25, 2019, 04:13:54 PM
So we have a member of the Brazilian national squad that hasn't started a game for over a month... =0
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 25, 2019, 07:47:41 PM
Brilliant news that.

I think I may have said this elsewhere but imo if we're to progress in next few years as a club back towards the top 6 we need to be signing players and getting them in the best international teams, hopefully Engels will get a call up to Belgium side for next round of games as apparently he was close to making the last few squads.

If players are seeing compatriots playing for a club and getting a call up then they'd be more convinced to come here.

If you look at Man. City in the early days they signed Zabaleta. I imagine him getting regular calls up for Argentina helped them get Aguero a few years later. Same when they signed David Silva and then had no problems signing more Spanish players.

Luiz is pretty highly rated in Brazil, captain of their Olympic team so always felt it was a possibility.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 25, 2019, 07:52:22 PM
I agree that it's great to see. But has he honestly earned it?

Undoubtedly has huge talent and if Pep believes he's the next big thing then that's good enough for me, but on the basis of merit he's ultimately scored two absolute screamers and...... not a lot else.

Don't get me wrong, those were goals worthy of Der Hammer in his prime and arguably better, as there was some finesse involved, but he was purchased to be a DM and soak up that pressure that we just love to invite on our defence. Genuine question - has he done that at all?

Big game for him tomorrow if he plays. We'll see his worth no doubt, but for me he's hardly earned a call up to the national squad on the basis of his performances for us so far.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 25, 2019, 09:08:23 PM
Perhaps he is being rewarded for good games for the under-21 side? The South Americans always seem to treat the younger age group internationals very seriously.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 25, 2019, 10:46:07 PM
Perhaps he is being rewarded for good games for the under-21 side? The South Americans always seem to treat the younger age group internationals very seriously.

Yes that's pretty much it. He's the under 23 captain which is also their Olympic side for Tokyo next year so good performances for them have been noted.

Also in the squad with him are Casemiro, Arthur and Fabiano so think he'll struggle to get much game time but it's pretty much a case of a player Brazil rate, he's getting minutes in the premier league so might aswell call him up and slowly integrate him given the World cup is still three years away.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on October 25, 2019, 11:16:50 PM
I believe they were also unable/unwilling to pick players who are based in Brazil due to it conflicting with the Brazilian league or something, so that possibly opened up an opportunity to have a look at Luiz.

Great for him personally though - hope he manages to get some game time.

Perhaps could have done without all the travel and missed training sessions to help him get back in our team though!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on October 28, 2019, 07:29:29 PM
How did he do v City?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 30, 2019, 09:52:44 AM
How did he do v City?

A bit anonymous really.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Pete3206 on October 30, 2019, 10:09:47 AM
Most were
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 30, 2019, 10:32:35 AM
Nearly scored with the rebound off the McGinn shot. Did VAR have a look at that or was it just discounted due to it being us?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on October 30, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
VAR had a look, I didnít see much in it to be honest. (So as itís VAR) Iíve seen them given.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on October 30, 2019, 11:51:15 AM
Itís funny.  Many Man City fans were claiming that he played well and were speculating on when they would bring him back.  DL got far more praise off them than Jack did.  Then again, many also claimed we parked the bus.

Personally, I think the good football theyíre watching is wasted on these clueless cretins.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 30, 2019, 01:43:47 PM
Hope he gets a start tonight.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: frank black on October 30, 2019, 05:10:25 PM
As heís not on the new calendar, itís safe to assume theyíre having him back and selling him on 😉
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2019, 01:05:34 PM
Norwich goal nominated for the Premier League's goal of the month.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on November 10, 2019, 07:14:38 PM
Has had a decent run of starts now but hasn't impressed at all. Clearly talented when given the ball but fitness and attitude seem miles off the required level to me so far. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 10, 2019, 07:17:57 PM
Needs to add more energy to his game. He played one superb pass today that put Trez away, but he isnít involved enough. Clearly has talent, but needs to be much more dominant and demand the ball.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on November 10, 2019, 07:22:33 PM
Has had a decent run of starts now but hasn't impressed at all. Clearly talented when given the ball but fitness and attitude seem miles off the required level to me so far. Thoughts?

ĎHasnít impressed at allí is a bit harsh! Especially considering two of the game were against teams that are miles ahead of us. I actually thought his work rate and defensive application were decent in those two games.

He will need a bit of time, after all, he has not long turned twenty one and has only started about five games for a new team in a new league, but I think he a show enough quality in glimpses to think that there is a real player in there.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2019, 07:23:57 PM
Needs to add more energy to his game. He played one superb pass today that put Trez away, but he isnít involved enough. Clearly has talent, but needs to be much more dominant and demand the ball.

He can play football, but is never a defensive midfielder in a million years. Would thrive in the right set up but donít think thatís us at the moment.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 10, 2019, 07:48:18 PM
No, but he could be a deep lying playmaker.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on November 10, 2019, 07:50:19 PM
Yeah. Weíve got a lot of players who can do a job in the middle but thereís so much overlap between them. No width, no real pace and with the possible exception of Marvelous nobody who can do something approximating that essential whelan job.

I thought at least Doug was a really reliable tidy passer, but heís been guilty of few stay balls lately.

We should have been going all out to get players who can really unlock the best of JG and SJM. We actually have a lot of poor manís versions of them.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on November 10, 2019, 07:51:14 PM
Not good enough for me for the first team at the moment.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 10, 2019, 07:56:58 PM
Very poor today. Gave the ball away time and again and couldn't tackle either.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on November 10, 2019, 08:08:38 PM
He isn't solid enough to be playing where he currently is.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 10, 2019, 08:10:31 PM
Too many under hit passes and flicks
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 10, 2019, 09:50:07 PM
Very, very poor today
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on November 11, 2019, 07:19:57 AM
I doubt if Pep is impressed thus far. Smith needs to take Luiz out of the starting eleven. When Conor came back at Norwich and against Brighton we looked much better. But he was dropped again soon after.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on November 11, 2019, 08:55:21 AM
Thatís because Hourihane was as anonymous as Luiz. I have a suspicion his senior call up for Brazil was somewhat playing on his mind and he didnít want to get injured, the big fanny.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 11, 2019, 11:08:16 AM
Thatís because Hourihane was as anonymous as Luiz. I have a suspicion his senior call up for Brazil was somewhat playing on his mind and he didnít want to get injured, the big fanny.
This
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on November 11, 2019, 11:38:26 AM
Thatís because Hourihane was as anonymous as Luiz. I have a suspicion his senior call up for Brazil was somewhat playing on his mind and he didnít want to get injured, the big fanny.

Newcastle might suit Hourihane better, likely to be a tight game and his ability to get goals and assists could be crucial. Luiz failure to stop, through fair or foul means, Traore is a dropping offence.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2019, 11:41:04 AM
Hourihane was diabolical against Liverpool and is much more Connor Hologram of late.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2019, 12:01:08 PM
If any cab is next off the rank it's Lansbury at the moment
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 11, 2019, 02:44:26 PM
He isn't solid enough to be playing where he currently is.

I'm struggling to understand where he's supposed to be playing. Marvelous should be our defensive midfielder but Luiz seems to be doing the same job but without the energy. He plays like it's a pre-season friendly in 40ļ heat. Having both adds nothing to our team and is just another passenger for most of the game.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Richard E on November 11, 2019, 02:51:19 PM
If any cab is next off the rank it's Lansbury at the moment

Definitely, although I worry about his stamina as he always seems knackered after 60 minutes - but of course that may be down to lack of games.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 11, 2019, 02:53:44 PM
He's a tidy little player with a good shot but if he becomes a regular in the Man City side in the future i'll shit in my hat and eat it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: TonyD on November 11, 2019, 04:55:58 PM
We still havenít bought that elusive midfielder that really kicks arse and mops up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Davkaus on November 11, 2019, 05:06:33 PM
If any cab is next off the rank it's Lansbury at the moment

It'd be a miracle if he got his boots on without twisting his ankle.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 11, 2019, 06:56:03 PM
I think the problem in the fist half was that no one knew what their job was supposed to be. Trez and AEG seemed to sometimes want to press their wide centre backs and sometimes follow the wing backs but neither made it clear which job they were doing at any point so Douglas and McGinn were floating indecisively between holding the centre of the pitch and helping out the fullbacks and whichever they chose we ended up being overloaded somewhere else.

A big part of the change at half time (I think the game was pretty even in the 2nd half) was that all of them seemed to get clarification on what their priorities were and everyone looked much more at ease with the job they were doing.

I don't know where the fault for it lies but it's the first time under Smith that I've seen s start a game looking like we don't have a plan.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 11, 2019, 07:19:16 PM
We still havenít bought that elusive midfielder that really kicks arse and mops up.

Thatís what Nakambaís role is.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 12, 2019, 02:34:46 AM
We still havenít bought that elusive midfielder that really kicks arse and mops up.

Thatís what Nakambaís role is.

Still think we need someone else alongside Marcelous to help him out and make us a but more solid.  I've reserved judgement a bit on Douglas, as he didn't have a proper pre season.  Looks a bit too casual and off the pace at the moment though.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 12, 2019, 01:32:18 PM
He is another that clearly needs to adjust quickly to the pace and the power of the premiership. Undoubted talent but without the physicality to go with it he will be wasted
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 19, 2019, 03:23:36 PM
Douglas' turn to come off the bench to gain a first Brazil cap today. You wait 145 years for a Brazil International then two turn up at once...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 19, 2019, 09:00:43 PM
Congratulations Douglas.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on November 20, 2019, 07:59:12 AM
Well done Douglas. He's done ok for me so far considering he had no pre-season with a new squad of players. No preparation time at all which shouldn't be overlooked.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on November 25, 2019, 10:35:27 PM
Decent first half, poor second. Repeatedly dispossessed.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on November 25, 2019, 10:36:45 PM
I thought he was good for 70 minutes but looked fucked for the last 20. Not sure why Nakamaba didnt come on to replace him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: usav on November 25, 2019, 10:45:27 PM
I thought he was good for 70 minutes but looked fucked for the last 20. Not sure why Nakamaba didnt come on to replace him.

Not sure why any subs didnít come on until the eventual  entry of Lansbury very late.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 25, 2019, 10:48:51 PM
I'd rather Nakamba played the next match personally
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on November 25, 2019, 10:49:37 PM
I thought he was good for 70 minutes but looked fucked for the last 20. Not sure why Nakamaba didnt come on to replace him.

Smith is very poor on subs. Even on the few minutes he got, Lansbury made an impact. Why not bring him on 10 mins earlier . Both Luiz and McGinn could have been hooked around the 70 min mark without complaint .
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: olaftab on November 25, 2019, 10:51:54 PM
Decent first half, poor second. Repeatedly dispossessed.
No repeatedly. Twice and in that only once he was caught totally napping by ***t.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: olaftab on November 25, 2019, 10:53:01 PM
And yes Smith should have subbed him after the hour.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Fred Crump on November 25, 2019, 10:56:29 PM
Agree, he was an accident waiting to happen in the last 15. Every ( short) time I see Lansbury he looks a decent player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on November 26, 2019, 08:08:08 AM
Good performance but I agree he gassed out towards then need and was a liability. Smith should have brought on marvellous. I'm pretty sure marvellous was rested for this weekend against manure as thag will be a tough game.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 26, 2019, 08:29:03 AM
I thought he was good for 70 minutes but looked fucked for the last 20. Not sure why Nakamaba didnt come on to replace him.

Smith is very poor on subs. Even on the few minutes he got, Lansbury made an impact. Why not bring him on 10 mins earlier . Both Luiz and McGinn could have been hooked around the 70 min mark without complaint .
Except we had a clean sheet, unlike the other times we have subbed and then conceded. Maybe a team request in order to keep the balance and concentrate
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 26, 2019, 10:12:37 AM
Correct.  Just because you have subs doesn't mean you have to use them.  Luis played very well last night.  Yes, he got caught on the ball a few times but that's understandable as he tries to adjust to the pace of this league. He'll improve on that aspect quick enough. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2019, 10:25:17 AM
Usual performance from him last night.  Very good at moving the ball and starting attacks, interspersed with the odd poor moment of being caught in possession, and being weak defensively.  Overall I like him though, he's got great quality.  I think Nakamba will come back in against Man U though, just not sure if he'll replace Luiz or Hourihane.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 26, 2019, 10:44:51 AM
Correct.  Just because you have subs doesn't mean you have to use them.  Luis played very well last night.  Yes, he got caught on the ball a few times but that's understandable as he tries to adjust to the pace of this league. He'll improve on that aspect quick enough. 

Thinking back, that's the same problem Petrov had when he first came here - he'd be a second or so behind the flow of the game much of the time and was obviously used to having more time on the ball in Scotland.

Luiz is a talented player, he'll adapt to that in time, but it's only, what, less than a dozen games into his career in the PL, he's going to need a bit of time yet.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on November 26, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
I thought he was absolute class in the 1st half, kept the whole thing ticking along nicely. Got caught a couple of times when they pressed early in the second half but in fairness a couple of the balls to him were hospital passes and a couple he got no shout from his teammates. Heís still adjusting but there was one ball over the defence to Grealish in the 1st half that was utterly brilliant.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2019, 11:05:30 AM
Correct.  Just because you have subs doesn't mean you have to use them.  Luis played very well last night.  Yes, he got caught on the ball a few times but that's understandable as he tries to adjust to the pace of this league. He'll improve on that aspect quick enough. 

Thinking back, that's the same problem Petrov had when he first came here - he'd be a second or so behind the flow of the game much of the time and was obviously used to having more time on the ball in Scotland.

Luiz is a talented player, he'll adapt to that in time, but it's only, what, less than a dozen games into his career in the PL, he's going to need a bit of time yet.

I agree, you can see the talent is there, and once he beds in properly he'll be a quality player. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 26, 2019, 11:42:38 AM
The other thing I like about him is he's got a great eye for a shot.  Power and direction with a bit of whip.  A great skill.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on December 05, 2019, 06:58:06 PM
I like him and he played well last night,  but still not sure exactly what he is.

Heís not that great defensively, can be slow to get back on the right side of an attacker. I think heís more of an 8 really.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on December 06, 2019, 09:49:33 AM
Correct.  Just because you have subs doesn't mean you have to use them.  Luis played very well last night.  Yes, he got caught on the ball a few times but that's understandable as he tries to adjust to the pace of this league. He'll improve on that aspect quick enough. 

Thinking back, that's the same problem Petrov had when he first came here - he'd be a second or so behind the flow of the game much of the time and was obviously used to having more time on the ball in Scotland.

Luiz is a talented player, he'll adapt to that in time, but it's only, what, less than a dozen games into his career in the PL, he's going to need a bit of time yet.

I agree, you can see the talent is there, and once he beds in properly he'll be a quality player. 

This. He'll get better and better for us. A classy player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2020, 09:37:48 PM
Did well today. Very talented player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2020, 10:05:05 PM
Best game for us by a long way today and still messed up two goals. Attitude like most of them was thoroughly transformed today compared to recent games. Got around the park a lot better too.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on January 01, 2020, 11:18:46 PM
He is going to be an excellent player. I think itís forgotten sometimes that he is still very young (Callum OíHare is just older) and therefore still very much learning, so some inconsistencies are to be expected. Probably our second most comfortable player with the ball behind Jack.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on January 02, 2020, 01:13:13 AM
Was very impressed today, controlled, disciplined, excellent pressing, good with the ball and supported The front men well, just a shame about his two chances.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 02, 2020, 01:28:57 AM
Big portion of humble pie consumed. Severely doubted his box to box fitness during the Southampton match but seemed well up to speed against Burnley. Keep it going Dougie!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Havencheese on January 02, 2020, 02:52:51 AM
Was hoping for a bit better with that low shot from the edge of the box, went for placement. Probably running knackered but lacked composure too for that late lob, rushed it. Can't be too critical, worked hard, some deft touches around midfield at times. Is evolving and would love to see if he can put away more in front of goal, definitely has it in him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2020, 06:33:13 AM
Bounced back brilliantly from his mistake against Watford
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 02, 2020, 10:58:12 AM
He's just getting his feet in the league, he'll be a very decent player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 02, 2020, 11:08:39 AM
Was hoping for a bit better with that low shot from the edge of the box, went for placement. Probably running knackered but lacked composure too for that late lob, rushed it. Can't be too critical, worked hard, some deft touches around midfield at times. Is evolving and would love to see if he can put away more in front of goal, definitely has it in him.

He should have rolled that for Wes who was coming in at pace to strike into the far corner.  That would have been the better option. I'm sure his primary school lob over the keeper effort will have given him a sleepless night. He did play well overall mind.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 02, 2020, 01:17:25 PM
I too have been critical of him (I think because his reputation preceded him and I expected more the finished article) Thought he was our best player after Jack on NYD.

The lob - if they go in look world class if they don't then they look awful - just like the "dink" penalties where if they fail the taker looks a right twat

I think 2nd half of the season could be really good for Douglas
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: eamonn on January 02, 2020, 07:12:04 PM
He'll be getting his own cartoon episode with a personalised badge if he keeps this up. Heeeey Duggieeeee!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2020, 08:05:15 PM
I too have been critical of him (I think because his reputation preceded him and I expected more the finished article) Thought he was our best player after Jack on NYD.

The lob - if they go in look world class if they don't then they look awful - just like the "dink" penalties where if they fail the taker looks a right twat

I think 2nd half of the season could be really good for Douglas

What is the reputation out of interest?

He made about 25 appearences for a team that was relegated from La Liga last season (some off the bench). Hadn't been capped at senior level by Brazil.

If it was just because Pep was going mad about him, he does that about all his players. He was saying earlier this season Phil Foden was one of the best English players around yet hardly starts him in the premier league.

Doug is not that much more experienced than the guys who've played over 100 games in championship we signed like Konsa.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 02, 2020, 08:21:48 PM
I too have been critical of him (I think because his reputation preceded him and I expected more the finished article) Thought he was our best player after Jack on NYD.

The lob - if they go in look world class if they don't then they look awful - just like the "dink" penalties where if they fail the taker looks a right twat

I think 2nd half of the season could be really good for Douglas

What is the reputation out of interest?

He made about 25 appearences for a team that was relegated from La Liga last season (some off the bench). Hadn't been capped at senior level by Brazil.

If it was just because Pep was going mad about him, he does that about all his players. He was saying earlier this season Phil Foden was one of the best English players around yet hardly starts him in the premier league.

Doug is not that much more experienced than the guys who've played over 100 games in championship we signed like Konsa.

Pundits worldwide have been praising him highly and that's where it came from. That main guy I Spain was trying to compare him to dunga from what I remember (or was it Gilberto silva?) Pep compares him to fernandinho and he was very highly rated by scouts. Personally I had never heard of him but I dont follow Spanish football so had never seen him play
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Monty on January 02, 2020, 08:28:34 PM
He looks to me like the player Westwood wanted to be when he was with us. Really early in his career so he won't be perfect all the time, but I think he's a proper talent. Just hope he starts showing that fully with us soon! Been fits and starts so far.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: FrankyH on January 02, 2020, 08:42:25 PM
If he'd scored with the lob chance  , VAR would have chalked it off.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2020, 11:00:13 PM
I too have been critical of him (I think because his reputation preceded him and I expected more the finished article) Thought he was our best player after Jack on NYD.

The lob - if they go in look world class if they don't then they look awful - just like the "dink" penalties where if they fail the taker looks a right twat

I think 2nd half of the season could be really good for Douglas

What is the reputation out of interest?

He made about 25 appearences for a team that was relegated from La Liga last season (some off the bench). Hadn't been capped at senior level by Brazil.

If it was just because Pep was going mad about him, he does that about all his players. He was saying earlier this season Phil Foden was one of the best English players around yet hardly starts him in the premier league.

Doug is not that much more experienced than the guys who've played over 100 games in championship we signed like Konsa.

Pundits worldwide have been praising him highly and that's where it came from. That main guy I Spain was trying to compare him to dunga from what I remember (or was it Gilberto silva?) Pep compares him to fernandinho and he was very highly rated by scouts. Personally I had never heard of him but I dont follow Spanish football so had never seen him play

He is little different to many other promising players worldwide, hasn't played at all much at top level and you can see that in aspects of his play.

However I do think he's pretty talented. Seems to have been a case of we can't quite fit him into an effective midfield trio but I'd stick with him otherwise we'll just be scratching our heads when he's playing for someone else in two years time and playing to very good level like much of our 2015 intake.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2020, 05:24:42 PM
Good when he came on. Thatís how he must be used, heís a playmaker not a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 18, 2020, 05:33:09 PM

Better today. Still very young so he's going to make mistakes. But he can be happy with his contribution this afternoon
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2020, 05:36:55 PM
Watching the goal again it is a brilliant pass by Douglas.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on January 18, 2020, 05:38:31 PM
Watching the goal again it is a brilliant pass by Douglas.

I agree. Good on him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2020, 06:05:30 PM
Put a couple of solid, mean, ball winning bastards next to him in the middle, Douglas Luiz will flourish. Heís being asked to do a role that doesnít empathize his strengths. Today again, fleetingly we caught a glimpse of what he can do.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Clampy on January 19, 2020, 09:22:59 AM
I thought i'd weigh in with some praise as well as he's had some stick on here (and justified as well in a few cases). That was a class ball to Grealish. Give him time and I think he'll be very good. I read on Twitter that he's younger than Callum O'Hare. Not sure how true it is, I'll have to look it up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 19, 2020, 09:29:13 AM
He's definitely got the ability, he just hasn't been used in a way that brings the best out of him. A constantly changing midfield three doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on January 19, 2020, 09:29:22 AM
Heís about a week younger than Callum, I believe. Think it mostly just emphasises the point the he is going to be inconsistent and that we need to have a bit of patience with him.

There is clearly a very good player in there in my opinion. We are in a situation where we are having to use him a lot more than perhaps you would like to with regards to his development, hence we are seeing some flaws to his game and inconsistent displays.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on January 19, 2020, 09:35:33 AM
Put a couple of solid, mean, ball winning bastards next to him in the middle, Douglas Luiz will flourish. Heís being asked to do a role that doesnít empathize his strengths. Today again, fleetingly we caught a glimpse of what he can do.

I 100% agree. I think heís going to be a top player but the management hasnít yet worked out the position that suits him instead of the position that suits us. Another one who will flourish but just need to stay up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2020, 10:05:48 AM
Put a couple of solid, mean, ball winning bastards next to him in the middle, Douglas Luiz will flourish. Heís being asked to do a role that doesnít empathize his strengths. Today again, fleetingly we caught a glimpse of what he can do.

I 100% agree. I think heís going to be a top player but the management hasnít yet worked out the position that suits him instead of the position that suits us. Another one who will flourish but just need to stay up.
Smith has not worked out a midfield in terms of shape or personnel.
All of our midfield look like square pegs in round holes.
I think the biggest problem is you need a midfielder to be the pivot or the anchor and you build the shape around them.
We too often look like 3 random blokes thrown together in the Centre of the park.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 19, 2020, 10:07:18 AM
He's definitely got the ability, he just hasn't been used in a way that brings the best out of him. A constantly changing midfield three doesn't help either.

I just can't see what kind of midfielder he is though Risso.  He's not really a defensive midfielder who can sit in front of the back four and dictate play and he's not really an attacking midfielder who is going to link things up in the final.  I suppose in that way, he is a bit like Pogba and Manchester United have had problems trying to fit him in since he arrived.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on January 19, 2020, 10:21:18 AM
When Luiz came, he stated that he liked to break up play and give the ball to our "further up the field" players.  Currently, he is a little lightweight to do this on his own.  However, he can quite easily  be one of a compact 3 in this new system.  A few workouts in the gym won't do him any harm either.

Ideally, if we could get  Nzonzi in, I think a midfield including Luiz would prosper - Especially with SJM back.

Age is on his side, he is learning fast and there is definitely a good player there.  I think the speed of his decision making is a problem currently and when he can address this, coupled with a slight improvement in strength, we'll see the real Luiz.  He was outstanding at Burnley and again yesterday, put a shift in.  Currently should start ahead of Drinkwater who needs to be blooded in from off the bench.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 19, 2020, 10:22:04 AM
In old school speak, Paisley I believe, he's a 'spreader'. Which means that he sits somewhere in the middle, protected by a defensive player and providing for a 'runner' someone who carries the ball forward and gets into the box, and a wide player. So he doesn't really fit into our formation / we don't have an adequate defensive player to offer him protection, he ends up partially trying to do that himself and he's absolutely shit at it.

In terms of the formation, if we're playing 3 at the back, which I like, you would play with 2 centre mids. One would be a defensive protector and one a box to box player, both robust types. If you're playing flat back 4, you can have the 3 in the middle, a defensive player (haven't got one), a spreader (him if he can show a bit more consistency and urgency) and a runner (McGinn). Then again, you could also play with the defensive player, a box to box (McGinn) and a behind the attackers free role (Grealish).
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 19, 2020, 10:36:31 AM
I want Luiz to come good, but I think his best position at the moment is coming on, off the bench. Luiz and Nakamba in the same team doesn't work. I don't think he's a dcm and I'm yet to be convinced he has a place in the team further forward as he gives the ball away too much and doesn't track back very well. The guy has potential but having spent £15m on him I don't want him to become the next Josh Onomah
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on January 19, 2020, 11:10:58 AM
What a ball for grealishes goal. I like him a lot although he has a mistake in him at times
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on January 20, 2020, 10:32:16 AM
I must admit that ball for Jack's goal was a sublime.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on January 20, 2020, 11:52:49 AM
I want Luiz to come good, but I think his best position at the moment is coming on, off the bench. Luiz and Nakamba in the same team doesn't work. I don't think he's a dcm and I'm yet to be convinced he has a place in the team further forward as he gives the ball away too much and doesn't track back very well. The guy has potential but having spent £15m on him I don't want him to become the next Josh Onomah

In a more normal/ideal situation I would imagine that would be how we would be using him. Or certainly be less reliant on him playing as many minutes as he currently is. The problem is that if we did do that is it leaves us with the rather limited options of Nakamba, Drinkwater or Hourihane to start instead which is obviously less than ideal.

At the moment I guess it is a case of selecting the games he can start where you can accept the trade off between his rawness/naivety (that can lead to mistakes) against the quality he has on the ball.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: in exile on January 20, 2020, 02:33:29 PM
I still think he's poor and I don't mean financially
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 20, 2020, 02:34:12 PM
I think he'll be a player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2020, 02:39:36 PM
He's a very talented player. He is also young and inexperienced. He is far from poor.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 20, 2020, 02:45:12 PM
I think he will be good, too. Like I always thought Delph would come good. Hopefully Luiz won't turn out to be a filthy Quisling ******.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Smithy on January 20, 2020, 02:51:16 PM
Luiz's situation reminds me of the Veretout signing.  Clearly he has talent, and has shown glimpses of real class, but he makes mistakes and looks a bit off the pace in the premier league.  I hope we can afford to give him time to develop, because he's obviously still very young and getting to grips with English football. 

Veretout was similar when signed for us (was also 21?), and didn't look that great for us in a struggling side, but he has gone on to be a well-regarded midfielder in Italy (I think Roma have agreed to sign him for £20m?), and I can see this lad having a similar trajectory, there is DEFINITELY a player in there - I just hope he's one we can see blossom WITH us, rather than after leaving.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2020, 07:22:42 PM
He's a very talented player. He is also young and inexperienced. He is far from poor.

Very clearly.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on January 20, 2020, 07:38:20 PM
Not sure if this has been posted before but it makes for good reading and suggests defensive mid is not his strength (which I think was already pretty obvious)...

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/09/17/scout-report-douglas-luiz/
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2020, 07:43:27 PM
Different type of player, but I almost guarantee Douglas will follow a similar path to Adama Traore. In a couple of years he will be top drawer, but he needs to be coached correctly and played in the right way. Letís hope unlike Adama we get it right with Douglas and heís brilliant for us.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 20, 2020, 09:44:32 PM
Not sure if this has been posted before but it makes for good reading and suggests defensive mid is not his strength (which I think was already pretty obvious)...

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/09/17/scout-report-douglas-luiz/


 "And when he goes to the sides, one thing he likes to do and does very well is to play long diagonal balls to the other side of the pitch"

Clearly demonstrated on Saturday.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2020, 09:44:56 PM
He's definitely got the ability, he just hasn't been used in a way that brings the best out of him. A constantly changing midfield three doesn't help either.

It can be easy to put all the blame on Smith but Luiz hasn't helped himself at times this season. There is a reason why Smith keeps changing the midfield duo/trio as that all of them play themselves out of the team eventually. Luiz is no exception, that effort at stopping Traore against Wolves stands out as particularly inept but he cost us the equaliser v Leicester only a week ago too.

Clearly talented when given time and space, an ideal sub v Brighton at the time as they retreated, but has an awful lot of improving to do. His application without the ball is nowhere near good enough for this level.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Havencheese on January 21, 2020, 11:32:47 AM
The key for a youngish player such as Luiz whether starting or coming off the bench, is to back it up now with another good performance and if not a full blooded effort.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2020, 10:41:28 PM
I love you luiz !
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on January 21, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
Is he our best finisher?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2020, 10:42:32 PM
Superb crowd dive tonight.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2020, 10:49:13 PM
Changed the last two games; with the pass last week, and the goal this.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: stevo_st on January 21, 2020, 10:50:00 PM
Super sub
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 21, 2020, 10:51:53 PM
Great celebration. That passion is sorely needed. As noted above I think there is a real player in there, he's still learning his position and probably isn't being helped by Smith's strange rotation of midfielders. Certainly shouldn't be benched for Drinkwater's benefit; needs to start v Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 21, 2020, 10:55:14 PM
Delighted with his assist on Saturday and goal tonight but would be even happier if he can start putting his 20/30 minutes cameo into a full 90 minutes shift. Am sure it will materialise in the fullness of time.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: phantom limb on January 21, 2020, 10:55:20 PM
I love this bloke, I think with time he will become proper quality.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2020, 11:10:29 PM
Great celebration. That passion is sorely needed. As noted above I think there is a real player in there, he's still learning his position and probably isn't being helped by Smith's strange rotation of midfielders. Certainly shouldn't be benched for Drinkwater's benefit; needs to start v Bournemouth.

You're seeing it all wrong. Luiz is fucked after an hour, but coming on when the game is stretched he's a player, and it's winning us points.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2020, 11:14:56 PM
Great celebration. That passion is sorely needed. As noted above I think there is a real player in there, he's still learning his position and probably isn't being helped by Smith's strange rotation of midfielders. Certainly shouldn't be benched for Drinkwater's benefit; needs to start v Bournemouth.

You're seeing it all wrong. Luiz is fucked after an hour, but coming on when the game is stretched he's a player, and it's winning us points.

Drinkwater is fucked from the word go though.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2020, 11:17:21 PM
Great celebration. That passion is sorely needed. As noted above I think there is a real player in there, he's still learning his position and probably isn't being helped by Smith's strange rotation of midfielders. Certainly shouldn't be benched for Drinkwater's benefit; needs to start v Bournemouth.

You're seeing it all wrong. Luiz is fucked after an hour, but coming on when the game is stretched he's a player, and it's winning us points.

Drinkwater is fucked from the word go though.

He wasn't that bad. He needs games, and he's getting them. Still more use than the alternatives.

Luiz can win a game but needs at bit of space to do it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on January 22, 2020, 12:13:03 AM
Great celebration. That passion is sorely needed. As noted above I think there is a real player in there, he's still learning his position and probably isn't being helped by Smith's strange rotation of midfielders. Certainly shouldn't be benched for Drinkwater's benefit; needs to start v Bournemouth.

You're seeing it all wrong. Luiz is fucked after an hour, but coming on when the game is stretched he's a player, and it's winning us points.

Iím not sure continuing to be losing 1-0 and then bringing him on after an hour is the most solid plan though!

But in all seriousness, I get what youíre saying and I do actually think Drinkwater has value but Luiz makes us a better side currently and therefore needs to start in my opinion.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on January 22, 2020, 08:53:24 AM
Id artwhe have a good 60 mins form luiz than a 10 mins of drinkwater
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 22, 2020, 08:57:41 AM
Great celebration. That passion is sorely needed. As noted above I think there is a real player in there, he's still learning his position and probably isn't being helped by Smith's strange rotation of midfielders. Certainly shouldn't be benched for Drinkwater's benefit; needs to start v Bournemouth.

You're seeing it all wrong. Luiz is fucked after an hour, but coming on when the game is stretched he's a player, and it's winning us points.

Drinkwater is fucked from the word go though.

Indeed. I can't get behind the notion, given our current lack of quality in midfield, that a clearly very talented player like Luiz is only useful to us off the bench for the last 20/30 minutes. I take the point that he looks gassed at the 60 minute mark, but that goes for several of our regular starters also. That's a conditioning thing and needs to be managed by the coaches and backroom staff. He should still be starting ahead of Drink&drive vs Bournemouth IMO.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Drummond on January 22, 2020, 10:14:30 AM
Id artwhe have a good 60 mins form luiz than a 10 mins of drinkwater

I'd rather have a pint of that than water too.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on January 22, 2020, 10:59:05 AM
Re; bringing him off the bench - If you look at it on a purely individual basis, then itís not a bad way of using Luiz, both for the team and his development. We have had to rely on him to play much more than you ideally would for a player at his age and stage of development.

The problem comes in the players that we currently have available to start instead of him.

Heís going to start with Nakamba against Leicester anyway, so we will see how that goes.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: in exile on January 22, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
I hope you're all right, I honestly do.
Loved the goal and celebration
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 24, 2020, 11:20:37 PM
It was a nicely-taken goal with his weaker foot.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on January 25, 2020, 07:42:42 AM
I love this bloke, I think with time he will become proper quality.
I agree.  It will take a full close-season to get him fully tuned (ditto Nak and Wes)  but I've seen enough quality to suggest he will become a big contributor.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: CT on January 25, 2020, 08:08:40 AM
It was a great celebration. When I got back from the game, I watched the highlights and laughed quite loudly when Douggie disappeared into the Holte.

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2020, 08:08:55 AM
Someone said the other day he's younger than O'hare. I think with a player like him at that age some starts and some weeks coming off the bench is right, but he's going to be done player in a couple of years. Sadly after we have done the hard work Man City will no doubt buy him back.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on January 25, 2020, 09:34:49 AM
Someone said the other day he's younger than O'hare. I think with a player like him at that age some starts and some weeks coming off the bench is right, but he's going to be done player in a couple of years. Sadly after we have done the hard work Man City will no doubt buy him back.

By 8 days!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: old man villa fan on January 25, 2020, 10:39:06 AM
I think the idea with Drinkwater is to use his experience in the 1st half of games to make sure we go in at halftime still in the match.  this gives confidence to the team that they can come out in the 2nd half believing they can get something out of the game.  After a bright start to the season, it was becoming evident that the team was losing belief if they went behind.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 25, 2020, 12:10:08 PM
I think the idea with Drinkwater is to use his experience in the 1st half of games to make sure we go in at halftime still in the match.  this gives confidence to the team that they can come out in the 2nd half believing they can get something out of the game.  After a bright start to the season, it was becoming evident that the team was losing belief if they went behind.

His experience of watching the opposition as they fly past him. We look better with him on the bench. I think Dean has gambled that itís match sharpness he lacks and he can only get that on the pitch. Hope he gets up to speed quick smart.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 25, 2020, 12:45:23 PM
I think the idea with Drinkwater is to use his experience in the 1st half of games to make sure we go in at halftime still in the match.  this gives confidence to the team that they can come out in the 2nd half believing they can get something out of the game.  After a bright start to the season, it was becoming evident that the team was losing belief if they went behind.

Haven't we gone behind in the three games Drinky has started? We only improved in the last two when he went off. We should never have taken a gamble at this stage of the season on a player so unfit. Trying to find positives in his performances thus far is really grasping at straws, they have verged from catastrophic to very poor let's be honest.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: old man villa fan on January 26, 2020, 01:34:49 PM
I think the idea with Drinkwater is to use his experience in the 1st half of games to make sure we go in at halftime still in the match.  this gives confidence to the team that they can come out in the 2nd half believing they can get something out of the game.  After a bright start to the season, it was becoming evident that the team was losing belief if they went behind.

Haven't we gone behind in the three games Drinky has started? We only improved in the last two when he went off. We should never have taken a gamble at this stage of the season on a player so unfit. Trying to find positives in his performances thus far is really grasping at straws, they have verged from catastrophic to very poor let's be honest.

In the last two games we have gone behind in the 1st half but still been in the game and came out 2nd half to take points from both games.  From the Leicester league game we looked as though the game was lost once we went behind.  Our midfield looked too inexperienced and left us with nothing to bring on later in the game to change it.  I am not saying that Drinkwater was the best to bring in to cover our shortcomings but I could see the question that needed answering.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villan82 on January 26, 2020, 04:54:57 PM
I think the idea with Drinkwater is to use his experience in the 1st half of games to make sure we go in at halftime still in the match.  this gives confidence to the team that they can come out in the 2nd half believing they can get something out of the game.  After a bright start to the season, it was becoming evident that the team was losing belief if they went behind.

The comeback against Watford should give them the belief.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2020, 04:58:44 PM
I think the idea with Drinkwater is to use his experience in the 1st half of games to make sure we go in at halftime still in the match.  this gives confidence to the team that they can come out in the 2nd half believing they can get something out of the game.  After a bright start to the season, it was becoming evident that the team was losing belief if they went behind.

Haven't we gone behind in the three games Drinky has started? We only improved in the last two when he went off. We should never have taken a gamble at this stage of the season on a player so unfit. Trying to find positives in his performances thus far is really grasping at straws, they have verged from catastrophic to very poor let's be honest.

In the last two games we have gone behind in the 1st half but still been in the game and came out 2nd half to take points from both games.  From the Leicester league game we looked as though the game was lost once we went behind.  Our midfield looked too inexperienced and left us with nothing to bring on later in the game to change it.  I am not saying that Drinkwater was the best to bring in to cover our shortcomings but I could see the question that needed answering.

How has he answered that question or used his experience to help?  He's been awful in every game he's played, then after he gets subbed, we get better.  Even Dean Smith admitted he took him off against Watford as it "wasn't his game".
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 26, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
I think the idea with Drinkwater is to use his experience in the 1st half of games to make sure we go in at halftime still in the match.  this gives confidence to the team that they can come out in the 2nd half believing they can get something out of the game.  After a bright start to the season, it was becoming evident that the team was losing belief if they went behind.

Haven't we gone behind in the three games Drinky has started? We only improved in the last two when he went off. We should never have taken a gamble at this stage of the season on a player so unfit. Trying to find positives in his performances thus far is really grasping at straws, they have verged from catastrophic to very poor let's be honest.

In the last two games we have gone behind in the 1st half but still been in the game and came out 2nd half to take points from both games.  From the Leicester league game we looked as though the game was lost once we went behind.  Our midfield looked too inexperienced and left us with nothing to bring on later in the game to change it.  I am not saying that Drinkwater was the best to bring in to cover our shortcomings but I could see the question that needed answering.

How has he answered that question or used his experience to help?  He's been awful in every game he's played, then after he gets subbed, we get better.  Even Dean Smith admitted he took him off against Watford as it "wasn't his game".

He was marginally better last time around, but I tend to agree with you on this. Take him off, we look better.

I appreciate he's not match fit, but get him that way with the U23s, don't try to do it in actual meaningful fixtures while we are struggling for survival, we can't afford it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2020, 06:56:00 PM
Well if you're both right, then Smith is making a good job of changing things up! 😉
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ugo on January 29, 2020, 10:12:19 AM
Credit to this guy. One or two stray passes aside he looked real quality last night. Time on the ball, a nice touch and just looks ďa playerĒ.

Has been slated by a fair few but he is just 21 and will invariably make mistakes and have poor games. He is the same age as ďpromising youngstersĒ Keinan Davis and Callum OíHare yet seems a much more mature footballer.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2020, 10:24:36 AM
I like him a lot.  He's by no means perfect, but he just oozes natural ability.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 29, 2020, 11:18:30 AM
And had energy right to the end.  That's encouraging as we may never need to think about Drinkwater if he keeps that up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on January 29, 2020, 11:50:59 AM
Luiz has a lot of talent, and looks much better playing further forward as he can pick a pass.  His big problem is he seems a bit thick - regularly gives away needless free kicks within 30 yards of the goal and last night got himself booked for kicking the ball away shortly after Mike Dean had booked Konsa for throwing the ball away.   It's very frustrating, but if he can learn form his mistakes and apply a bit more intelligence he could be a top player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on January 29, 2020, 12:29:53 PM


Appreciate that this is a very simplistic (minimal context) way of looking at it, but results with Nakamba and Luiz as the central midfielders in our 3-4-3:

Burnley - Won 2-1
Leicester - Drew 1-1
Brighton - Won 1-0 (from 70 minutes)
Watford - Won 2-0 (from 55 minutes)
Leicester - Won 2-1
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on January 29, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
I like him a lot.  He's by no means perfect, but he just oozes natural ability.

Totally agree with you but he's seems to be getting better l really like him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Drummond on January 29, 2020, 12:49:23 PM
Luiz has a lot of talent, and looks much better playing further forward as he can pick a pass.  His big problem is he seems a bit thick - regularly gives away needless free kicks within 30 yards of the goal and last night got himself booked for kicking the ball away shortly after Mike Dean had booked Konsa for throwing the ball away.   It's very frustrating, but if he can learn form his mistakes and apply a bit more intelligence he could be a top player.

I'd argue it was a booking worth having.

It's about time we use the tactics everyone else does. Break up the play, waste time etc.

What irritated me was that not a minute after, they had players not retreating when we had a free-kick and thus obstructing the flow, they should have been booked too. However, Mike Dean is just a twat so I should realise.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on January 29, 2020, 03:37:41 PM
I take your point Drummond but if he wanted to delay Leicester he could have just stood over the ball to stop them taking it quickly like they were doing to us.  That rarely seems to elicit a booking. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 29, 2020, 08:18:59 PM
Brilliant last night, I thought. Took the game to them. Yeah, does things that betray his years, but I think he's going to be huge. We have to stay up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 29, 2020, 11:43:39 PM
Brilliant last night, I thought. Took the game to them. Yeah, does things that betray his years, but I think he's going to be huge. We have to stay up.

Clearly a very talented player with the ball at his feet and did a lot of good things last night. But we can't afford in a two man midfield for one of them to be caught ahead of the ball as regularly as Luiz was last night. In the aftermath of a great win last night, it's easy to ignore for example the first 20 mins when our midfield was ran ragged.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 29, 2020, 11:50:45 PM
Brilliant last night, I thought. Took the game to them. Yeah, does things that betray his years, but I think he's going to be huge. We have to stay up.

Clearly a very talented player with the ball at his feet and did a lot of good things last night. But we can't afford in a two man midfield for one of them to be caught ahead of the ball as regularly as Luiz was last night. In the aftermath of a great win last night, it's easy to ignore for example the first 20 mins when our midfield was ran ragged.
Exactly I was saying the same thing, Defending covering and tackling does not come naturally to him.
He is a ball playing, carrying, passing midfielder.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 19, 2020, 08:23:10 AM
Douglas was very good the other night. He blended being a deep lying playmaker and being a shield for the defence really well. If he can keep this up, and Jack and SJM get up to speed quick weíll have a chance.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2020, 09:37:20 AM
I couldn't help but think when he picked up his booking for a cynical foul on the half way line, that we'd be a point better off if he'd done that against the Wolves. Still, he's learnt and looked good.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on June 19, 2020, 09:47:52 AM
Douglas was very good the other night. He blended being a deep lying playmaker and being a shield for the defence really well. If he can keep this up, and Jack and SJM get up to speed quick weíll have a chance.
Covered the midfield very well - IMO our best player on the night.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on June 19, 2020, 10:42:44 AM
I thought what McGinn said about him coming back from the break seemingly having worked on his English a bit was a good sign, shows a bit of commitment to the cause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2020, 11:17:40 AM
I think there are 2 things that get missed when people talk about him from this season. The first is that he's the youngest player in our first team squad and right now every game is a learning opportunity. As Ads said, in the wolves game he could've taken a yellow but didn't but on Wednesday he showed he learned from that. He's also playing a bit quicker than he was earlier in the season where he got caught on the ball a  few times. The talent was always there but now he's adding a bit of wisdom to it. I think he'll be a top player in a few years if he carries on as he is.

The 2nd issue is that he didn't get a pre-season at the club. The ridiculous delay in getting his work permit in the summer meant he only arrived for his first training session at the club a few days before the start of the season. That meant he missed out on a lot of the fitness work but also any technical and tactical work that the coaches wanted to embed early because by the time he was in training and settled we'd have been deep into the match preparation for Spurs. From there on most training will have been review and recovery early in the week and analysis as you get to the game so there's less chance to work on more general things with the whole team.

However the long break and mini preseason over the last month has given us and him a chance to catch up on some of that. The other positive is that training on his own last summer (and regularly over the last couple of years) meant he will have a better personal understanding of how to keep his fitness up. I'm basing that on the fact that, for me, he looked good because he was the sharpest looking player on the pitch. I hope that doesn't mean his impact will lessen as players catch up, if that doesn't happen then I think we can expect him to really step up from here, I think he could end up being a key player (as much as mings, mcginn and grealish) for us in the next 9 games.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on June 19, 2020, 11:19:03 AM
Agreed Paul.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on June 19, 2020, 11:21:03 AM
I think of Javier Mascherano when he went to West Ham when I think of Luiz.

He looked bang average, and couldn't get in the team ahead of Hayden Mullins, but we all saw what a player he went onto become.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 19, 2020, 11:34:54 AM
I think of Javier Mascherano when he went to West Ham when I think of Luiz.

He looked bang average, and couldn't get in the team ahead of Hayden Mullins, but we all saw what a player he went onto become.

Yes good shout. I think heís a real talent.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on June 19, 2020, 01:36:44 PM
I've always liked Luiz because he clearly has talent and potential, and it was always likely that he'd take time to fully get the EPL game (for the reasons outlined by paul_e above). He looked fitter on Wednesday than at any time earlier in the season.
He and Hourihane were the surprises on Wednesday, and I really hope both continue to play and have impact.
Perhaps having a more organised defence helped these two midfielders, as much as they contributed to the defence's effectiveness.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2020, 01:53:12 PM
I couldn't help but think when he picked up his booking for a cynical foul on the half way line, that we'd be a point better off if he'd done that against the Wolves. Still, he's learnt and looked good.

Can't even remember that incident? For the first goal Mings completely took out Adama but we still conceded as we forgot Neves is pretty good shooting from the edge of the box.

I think this lad will be tremendous player in a few years, can certainly see him going on upward trend like Gana, Veretout and Adama all have since leaving us.

He's young, been poor plenty of times but also been excellent in other games. Just someone we need to keep working with on the training pitch. An experienced holding midfield who dosen't have Drinkwater fitness levels to guide him wouldn't be a bad shout in the summer either.

Think he'll be playing for a champions league level club within 3-4 years. Compare that to Nakamba who I think is a very average defensive midfielder and his level with us is about right.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 19, 2020, 01:57:23 PM
Yeah Douglas will end up being top drawer.
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Post by: Ads on June 19, 2020, 02:24:26 PM
The Dingles second came about because Dougie didn't crunch Traore 40 yards from goal.
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Post by: LeeB on June 19, 2020, 02:27:39 PM
The Dingles second came about because Dougie didn't crunch Traore 40 yards from goal.

Which is true, but McGinn giving a hospital pass to Taylor on the edge of their box was more culpable in my eyes.
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Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2020, 02:48:28 PM
The Dingles second came about because Dougie didn't crunch Traore 40 yards from goal.

Which is true, but McGinn giving a hospital pass to Taylor on the edge of their box was more culpable in my eyes.

Yes but the point is that an experienced defensive midfielder 'takes one for the team' in those circumstances, Luiz has learned that now as he showed.
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Post by: eamonn on June 19, 2020, 08:33:20 PM
The Dingles second came about because Dougie didn't crunch Traore 40 yards from goal.

I don't think we were ever going to retrieve a point there, we were hopeless for most of the game.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on June 19, 2020, 08:51:34 PM
The Dingles second came about because Dougie didn't crunch Traore 40 yards from goal.

Which is true, but McGinn giving a hospital pass to Taylor on the edge of their box was more culpable in my eyes.

Yes but the point is that an experienced defensive midfielder 'takes one for the team' in those circumstances, Luiz has learned that now as he showed.

I thought he tried to, but was caught out by the speed and power of Traore.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 25, 2020, 10:55:42 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Douglas pushed further upfield rather than the deep lying midfielder.

That said Smith seems to favour him there and apart from times of ill disciplined, and getting a cards from frustrated fouls,  he's been our best play since restart of season

Puts one brilliant balls into the box like he did against Chelsea and if Nakamba could be trusted would have Douglas Luiz as a midfielder higher placed up the pitch and Marvellous as the defensive midfielder.

Both then can play there natural games.

Smith seems to have other ideas and I'm not averse to having Douglas there as a holding player but he seems to have a lot going for him in a creative sense and has shooting ability.

You watch when he moves on - as he won't hang around the championship - he'll be used effectively as an attacking midfielder.
Or at least as a midfielder who doesn't just do deep lying

Tbh I saw him as a coaster pre lockdown but out of all I think he's been most impressive since the new 'mini season' has began.

Annoying if others are nt on same wavelength as there are glimpses all season how much quality Dougie has

Good luck to him . Good to see him playing better even though it's so Dean Smith to have him in that pivot role

Play him higher and reap rewards I say !
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villan82 on June 25, 2020, 11:26:27 AM
Douglas Luiz will be a top player. I keep forgetting how young he actually is. Has scored a couple of vital goals this season - Watford at home springs to mind.

Really, really hope we can stay up and watch players like him grow next year.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2020, 11:30:41 AM
Hadn't realised that Man City's buy back clause was only valid for two years. Hopefully if he does turn out to be the next Vieira that means they won't be able to get him back as going to be buggered on FFP if they are still banned from Europe.

Anyway, I like him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 25, 2020, 11:51:17 AM
He's been very good since the restart. And I don't know what he's done to look after himself during the lockdown, but there's been absolutely no doubting his lasting the full 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2020, 12:17:51 PM
Lovely hair too.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on June 25, 2020, 09:37:19 PM
He certainly has improved a lot but has a couple of evident flaws in his game that he needs to correct. He still tends to ball watch a bit as seen with the last two goals we have conceded. The other one that irritates me in his inability to play more consistently on the half turn when taking the ball off the back. Too often he plays the ball back to a defender under limited pressure. I'd like to see him demand the ball off the back and get turned on it more. He clearly has the technical ability to do it.

But in the last three games, he has shown huge improvement in his fitness, commitment, positional play and even cynicism. The half hearted joker who used get caught ahead of the ball routinely and barely break sweat getting back has gone.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2020, 09:54:51 PM
Heís been great. I think heís a big talent and will be a top player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: john e on June 26, 2020, 09:28:43 AM
Heís probably the only one of our players thatís come back better than before lockdown

some are the same standard others are falling well below where they should be
 but Doug has pushed on
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on June 26, 2020, 02:41:32 PM
Language has most likely improved a lot as well.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 26, 2020, 04:33:37 PM
Heís probably the only one of our players thatís come back better than before lockdown

some are the same standard others are falling well below where they should be
 but Doug has pushed on
Absolutely.  Our best player for 3 games in quick sucession is some doing for someone his age.  I appreciate there hasn't been much competition, but even so...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on June 26, 2020, 04:44:38 PM
He certainly has improved a lot but has a couple of evident flaws in his game that he needs to correct. He still tends to ball watch a bit as seen with the last two goals we have conceded. The other one that irritates me in his inability to play more consistently on the half turn when taking the ball off the back. Too often he plays the ball back to a defender under limited pressure. I'd like to see him demand the ball off the back and get turned on it more. He clearly has the technical ability to do it.

But in the last three games, he has shown huge improvement in his fitness, commitment, positional play and even cynicism. The half hearted joker who used get caught ahead of the ball routinely and barely break sweat getting back has gone.

Agree with that.  I don't think he is a genuine defensive midfielder and would be better served playing just ahead of that type of player. 

If we do stay up and McGinn recovers his fitness and form, and we sign a proper defensive midfielder instead of Danny Drinkwater, a midfield three like below would be pretty decent:


                  New defensive midfielder

     Douglas                                     McGinn
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2020, 02:42:42 PM
Once again the only player with any credit.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2020, 02:45:05 PM
Yes, the only player worthy of the name.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: supertom on June 27, 2020, 02:53:33 PM
He's done well. I think he's benefited from the pace of the games so far. There's still an air of pre-season about the way sides have played against us. So I hope that under pressure his game has improved, but the sad truth is, if we're talking about next season, he won't be here. Someone will snap him up and he'll undoubtedly want to be moving on. Championship is no good for him. What we could really do with, is 1-2 world class belters from 30 yards from him. We look like we'll only score scrappy goals at the moment, or potentially spectacular.


Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 27, 2020, 02:55:24 PM


100% out MOTM again. If you'd told me that he'd be the one player who'd look bang up for it after the restart i'd have laughed in your face.

Quite the turnaround for me. Well done Douglas
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: David_Nab on June 27, 2020, 03:00:22 PM
If we go down Man City will buy him back IMO and loan him to another Prem team
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on July 06, 2020, 10:49:58 AM
Probably best player again. He really has come back a dfferent player, clearly worked hard in lockdown, looks fit, lasting whole games, tackling improved and he is showing leadership off the pitch. Keep it going Dougie.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ger Regan on July 06, 2020, 10:58:02 AM
Agreed, hopefully we can hold onto him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on July 06, 2020, 11:28:28 AM
His post-Lockdown form has put him on the list of players that we need to try and ensure we keep a hold of. He's playing more maturely than a 22-year old now.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on July 06, 2020, 11:36:40 AM
He's playing really well long may it continue.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: CT on July 06, 2020, 01:15:35 PM
Post lockdown, heís the only positive for me.

Heís reading the game really well and seems more aware of whatís going on around him.

Much improved, so I guess heíll be another that goes if the inevitable happens.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2020, 01:24:05 PM
I'd like him to stay but Brazil think highly of him. Captain of their Olympic side and they called him up for the November friendlies. Doubt there's little chance of him getting called up in the championship so depends how strongly he wants to bind his international career for a year or two.

Sometimes playing a year in championship can be making of a player as Adama showed at Boro.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 06, 2020, 01:36:47 PM
Heís been excellent. Canít see weíve got any hope of keeping him if we go down.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: mcgrath_85 on July 06, 2020, 02:34:21 PM
Heís been excellent. Canít see weíve got any hope of keeping him if we go down.

No he hasnít. 😂
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on July 06, 2020, 02:36:57 PM
He's also one of our few players that doesn't look terrified of decent opposition. For example he got really stuck into Traore.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 06, 2020, 02:49:05 PM
Been reasonably impressed by him since restart.

Which probably means we'll lose him.

Wouldn't be surprised if Pep took him back now that he'll get a work permit for them.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 06, 2020, 02:53:16 PM
Not sure he would get a work permit for them. He hasn't been playing in Europe, has hardly played for Brazil and would be nowhere near one of their better paid players.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 06, 2020, 02:58:10 PM
Not sure he would get a work permit for them. He hasn't been playing in Europe, has hardly played for Brazil and would be nowhere near one of their better paid players.

Can't they just decide to pay him whatever they want?

I'm sure they could also argue that he would have made further appearances for Brazil had Covid not happened. His first full cap was at the end of 2019.
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Post by: themossman on July 06, 2020, 03:11:46 PM
I wonder if Pep leaving would help or hinder us keeping hold of him. Isn't he a big fan?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2020, 11:16:09 AM
Not sure he would get a work permit for them. He hasn't been playing in Europe, has hardly played for Brazil and would be nowhere near one of their better paid players.

Can't they just decide to pay him whatever they want?

I'm sure they could also argue that he would have made further appearances for Brazil had Covid not happened. His first full cap was at the end of 2019.

Of course they could pay him whatever they want but are they going to put him in the top 7-8 earners at the club just so he can get a work perit?

The bottom line is irrelevant, he hasn't played enough of Brazils games over the last 2 years to be considered a regular so he doesn't get the permit. On top of that the other major criteria is the signing fee, I suspect a fee was included in the buy back clause and that isn't enough to tip him into the higher band for the permit then I don't see them paying extra just to achieve that.

All said the chances are he'd not get a permit again so if Man City resign him it's with the intention of him going out on loan and that loan couldn't be to an English club so his choices would be to stay with us and help us get back up, to see if he can push for a move to another English club (but it would have to be one of the bottom half teams really) or to go back to Man City and go out on loan to Spain/Italy.

I think there's a decent chance he stays so long as we keep most of this squad together and get early business done.  Of course I also don't think we're as certain to go down as many are suggesting so for me this is a hypothetical question any way.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave P on July 10, 2020, 12:05:28 AM
Good again today. My god I wish the others had his heart. Man City will buy him back for £15m and make a fortune.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villan82 on July 10, 2020, 12:09:46 AM
My player of the season if I'm honest. Been a big fan. He scored some great goals and one or two vital goals that kept us alive.

He made mistakes, yes, but he turned 22 in May so as a 21 year old in a relegation threatened team he did much better than one or two others who should be hanging their heads in shame.
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Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 10, 2020, 12:13:38 AM
My player of the season if I'm honest. Been a big fan. He scored some great goals and one or two vital goals that kept us alive.

He made mistakes, yes, but he turned 22 in May so as a 21 year old in a relegation threatened team he did much better than one or two others who should be hanging their heads in shame.

He's scored a sum total of 3 goals this season*

I agree with the general message though.

*(The same number as Conor Hourihane, FWIW).
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 10, 2020, 12:14:10 AM
He's a very good footballer.  Just about the only piece of transfer business this season that could be considered a success.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 10, 2020, 12:14:40 AM
As others have said, he's one of few that hasn't sunk without trace despite being a kid. Not a hope he won't get snapped up if we go down.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: aev on July 10, 2020, 07:32:33 AM
Do we actually know what the Man City clause is?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2020, 07:45:08 AM
Do we actually know what the Man City clause is?


I think I read somewhere that it is a two year clause.  I think Man City have to match the bid made by the other club in order to buy him back. I agree with others, this has been the one bit of decent business done by the club. 
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Post by: aev on July 10, 2020, 07:59:56 AM
Do we actually know what the Man City clause is?


I think I read somewhere that it is a two year clause.  I think Man City have to match the bid made by the other club in order to buy him back. I agree with others, this has been the one bit of decent business done by the club. 

Well if that is the case at least we would get decent money for him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 08:10:12 AM
Do we actually know what the Man City clause is?


I think I read somewhere that it is a two year clause.  I think Man City have to match the bid made by the other club in order to buy him back. I agree with others, this has been the one bit of decent business done by the club. 

Set fee of £25m buy back
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2020, 09:00:23 AM
My player of the season if I'm honest. Been a big fan. He scored some great goals and one or two vital goals that kept us alive.

He made mistakes, yes, but he turned 22 in May so as a 21 year old in a relegation threatened team he did much better than one or two others who should be hanging their heads in shame.

He's scored a sum total of 3 goals this season*

I agree with the general message though.

*(The same number as Conor Hourihane, FWIW).

He's ten times the player without the ball than Hourihane is. And braver on it, Conor's occasional howitzers and set-pieces notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
So £11m towards FFP.

We'll have to rebuild if we go down, but with parachute payments and significant funds coming in (Jack being 100% by virtue of being home grown) then we get a free swing at it.

We will always be able to attract the best players. Great opportunity for a 1 season stay.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villan82 on July 10, 2020, 09:05:58 AM
The Championship, even for a one year stint, further diminishes this fine club.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 10, 2020, 03:11:51 PM


This lad is finally showing what he can do. And assuming he's still around next season i'd have him as captain from the off
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
So £11m towards FFP.

We'll have to rebuild if we go down, but with parachute payments and significant funds coming in (Jack being 100% by virtue of being home grown) then we get a free swing at it.

We will always be able to attract the best players. Great opportunity for a 1 season stay.

Without meaning to sound defeatist it's why a few weeks back I just came to peace with it all. Of course Villa losing fucks me off massively. I have too much invested in them. But I took a look at who would be down with us and the league simply won't be as strong. And it you consider who would actually be sold, it's not like at that level you need superstars to get back up. Certainly helps. But last time look at the players we were able to attract to get ourselves back up. There's no reason to think those types of players would not be available again; transfer or loan.

It always will come down to the manager, who he signs and the intent that he sends us out with. But done right (obviously), there is no reason to think we cannot come back a lot stronger. And I look to Burnley for that reason. Dyche took them down but they kept him and they are much stronger now second time around. I wouldn't keep Smith because I no longer have any faith in him. But the right manager and the right blenf of players, where we don't need to spend anything close to what we did the last time around added to what we will have should be more than enough to get us back up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2020, 06:17:02 PM
The right manager and the right players and we should be OK. Hold the front page.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 10, 2020, 06:58:19 PM
If Man City hold all the cards then I canít see why they would not let him stay with us.  A year bossing the championship would do him, and them, good.  Another year at Villa in PL after that would also suit Man City.  The bigger issue will be what the player wants imo.

Iíd like to think that the late upturn in form will not have been noticed and he appreciates what a big club we are.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Smithy on July 10, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
If Man City hold all the cards then I canít see why they would not let him stay with us.  A year bossing the championship would do him, and them, good.  Another year at Villa in PL after that would also suit Man City.  The bigger issue will be what the player wants imo.

Iíd like to think that the late upturn in form will not have been noticed and he appreciates what a big club we are.

That's the concern - the pre-lockdown Luiz is unlikely to have generated too much interest, here or abroad.  Certainly not at a level we'd 'have' to let him go.  But since the restart he's the one player who looks to have genuinely improved during his time away.  He was always a tidy player, but he's definitely got more to grips with the league since the restart.

He'll be an asset next season if we survive, but I fear we'll lose him if we don't.  I suspect he, and a couple of others, might have Idrissa Gueye-style relegation clauses in their contracts.  Would be a kick in the teeth to lose players for less than we paid, but it might be the reality we're facing.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 10, 2020, 07:39:34 PM
he's nowhere near good enough to play for a top side - if he stays next season then that's good - if not, we might make our money back....
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2020, 08:04:19 PM
He'll be an asset next season if we survive, but I fear we'll lose him if we don't.  I suspect he, and a couple of others, might have Idrissa Gueye-style relegation clauses in their contracts.  Would be a kick in the teeth to lose players for less than we paid, but it might be the reality we're facing.

Thing with Luiz is he'll have no problem moving to another European league. I'd imagine he's creating interest amongst the vultures across the continent with his displays.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
he's nowhere near good enough to play for a top side - if he stays next season then that's good - if not, we might make our money back....

He will be in time.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2020, 09:47:33 PM
he's nowhere near good enough to play for a top side - if he stays next season then that's good - if not, we might make our money back....

He will be in time.

I think he'd do really well playing for a slower tempo league in Italy.  If we go down and he doesn't want to stay, loaning him out for a year might be an idea, with a sell on agreed if we don't get back up quickly.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2020, 10:24:13 PM
he's nowhere near good enough to play for a top side - if he stays next season then that's good - if not, we might make our money back....

He will be in time.
If he continues progressing he could be a very good player, still young.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on July 11, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
he's nowhere near good enough to play for a top side - if he stays next season then that's good - if not, we might make our money back....

He will be in time.

I think he'd do really well playing for a slower tempo league in Italy.  If we go down and he doesn't want to stay, loaning him out for a year might be an idea, with a sell on agreed if we don't get back up quickly.

I think youíve hit the nail on the head re. being suited to slower tempo football.  The tempo has been very slow in the restart games.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 16, 2020, 08:16:57 AM
Our supportive local press have decided now he's our best performing player better link him away now....from the Beeb gossip

Pep Guardiola is open to bringing Aston Villa's Brazilian midfielder Douglas Luiz, 22, back to Manchester City when the window opens in July. (Birmingham Mail)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2020, 08:37:35 AM
They aren't going to make him one of their highest paid players, so he won't get a work permit. He will only be able to sign for them if and when he's played in 30% of Brazil's matches in the last two years. Until then, it's a non-story.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2020, 08:41:48 AM
Actually looking at it again he would need to be in the top 25% of transfer fees this summer and/or in their top 50% of wage earners, which does seem feasible.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2020, 08:50:06 AM
It will really depend what other business they're planning, won't it?

Citeh are pretty comfortable in midfield, they've got the best in the PL currently, even with Silva on his way out.

It's their defence which is a total shambles, so I'd imagine they'll be investing big money in a couple of centre-halves and one or two quality full-backs.

They're also going to have to invest big in a goalscoring striker - Aguero's chances of ever playing a full season again are basically nil, and I don't think Pep trusts Jesus fully to lead the line. As good as the latter is, he's no Aguero.

2 x quality CBs, 2 x quality FBs, and a world class goalscorer could potentially set them back somewhere in the region of 300m.*

OK, so I pulled that figure out of my arse but you get the gist, they're going to spend a huge lot of money.

Pep might feel Luiz is a luxury for another transfer window, particularly if he has to shell out more than the buy-back clause in order to meet the work permit criteria.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on July 16, 2020, 09:22:13 AM
I don't think he's shown he's good enough for a top 4 club yet. He may be in 2-3 years' time ...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on July 16, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
That Mail story reads like your typical lazy journo join-the-dots punt anyway. City have buyback clause + Villa could go down = City buyback Luiz. There's obviously a grain of truth in City not wanting to sell him in the first place, but they have as much clue on City's intentions as we do.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 16, 2020, 11:13:41 PM
Looking every bit a top PL player. He wonít be playing for us next year unless his work permit is a problem.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 11:16:20 PM
At the moment when he gets the ball I feel like I used to feel when grealish got it. He wonít let go of it cheaply and heíll probably make something happen. Heís our best players by a mile on current form.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2020, 11:21:39 PM
Luiz is only a bit older than Grealish was when we went down before. Time for him to establish himself as a Premier League superstar with Villa, I reckon.

If the worst comes to the worst, another £25 million won't hurt. We will be able to spend money like we did last time we were down there, but would be starting with a much better team, not the same 2016 squad of players that got fewer wins than a Saudi shoplifter in an arm wrestling championship.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on July 16, 2020, 11:35:55 PM
Best player on the pitch tonight.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2020, 11:36:26 PM
Luiz is only a bit older than Grealish was when we went down before. Time for him to establish himself as a Premier League superstar with Villa, I reckon.

If the worst comes to the worst, another £25 million won't hurt. We will be able to spend money like we did last time we were down there, but would be starting with a much better team, not the same 2016 squad of players that got fewer wins than a Saudi shoplifter in an arm wrestling championship.

And if there are FFP problems, then we just donate an airport to the EFL. Make problem go away, yes?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on July 16, 2020, 11:43:34 PM
Taps nose.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 16, 2020, 11:45:54 PM
Taps nose.

You've said too much.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2020, 12:12:51 AM
If we can find a way to keep him we will have by far the best player in the Championship next season. Jack will be gone. Douglas Luiz is precisely the type of player who you build around.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on July 17, 2020, 12:29:49 AM
Not a chance he'll be with us next year. He's been our best player since lockdown and there'll be a queue of Premier League clubs after him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on July 17, 2020, 12:33:03 AM
If we can find a way to keep him we will have by far the best player in the Championship next season. Jack will be gone. Douglas Luiz is precisely the type of player who you build around.

He won't be in the championship next season. Made Andre Gomez look championship standard tonight and anyone else Everton had in midfield. Just a pity he only started playing since the restart. Always had the ability on the ball but throw in improved fitness, desire, commitment, cynicism and there is a hell of a player there.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 12:36:46 AM
I don't know if others will be willing to pay £25 million based on his recent performances. And I don't think we will sell him for less than that. I think he will still be at Villa or bought back by Man City if they can sort the work permit and think he's worth it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2020, 05:05:10 AM
We have been crying out for a dominating central midfielder all season.
Is it just a turnaround in form, fitness or has Smith finally worked out how to play him?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: JJ-AV on July 17, 2020, 06:46:30 AM
He's definitely improved, he had long periods of being off the pace pre-lockdown. He does appear to be better as the holding player though. McGinn coming back will have helped him too.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2020, 07:51:47 AM
We have been crying out for a dominating central midfielder all season.
Is it just a turnaround in form, fitness or has Smith finally worked out how to play him?

Maybe the 1:1 that Smith did with them all in lockdown has worked for him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: London Villan on July 17, 2020, 08:16:06 AM
Our midfield looked functional last night. It was more balanced and moved the ball nicely. Pity about the defence and attack.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 17, 2020, 08:18:26 AM
I think Douglas has been easily our best player since the restart
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 17, 2020, 08:24:28 AM
Yes a real improvement. He's looked good and I think he will be outstanding in the Championship if he plays for us there.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: manic-road on July 17, 2020, 08:30:37 AM
I think Douglas has been easily our best player since the restart

Agree, I think he has been our best player in pretty much every game since the restart. Hope we can keep him for next season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on July 17, 2020, 08:35:19 AM
The cynic in me says he's playing for a move. We paid what, £15m for him?

A mid-table Prem team will easily pay that.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: mattjpa on July 17, 2020, 08:48:02 AM
The cynic in me says he's playing for a move. We paid what, £15m for him?

A mid-table Prem team will easily pay that.

Read today Pep wants him back and will activate buy back clause. I wouldnt be surprised if this was the plan all along
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on July 17, 2020, 08:58:30 AM
Heís been our best player in each of the matches back, Iím afraid I canít see any way he wonít be staying in the PL.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on July 17, 2020, 08:59:29 AM
The cynic in me says he's playing for a move. We paid what, £15m for him?

A mid-table Prem team will easily pay that.

Read today Pep wants him back and will activate buy back clause. I wouldnt be surprised if this was the plan all along

Inevitable I guess. He might not fancy the champs either so better to cash in now if we can. Assuming we get relegated of course
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 17, 2020, 09:00:01 AM
He might have been good but he's not going to get in Citeh's team. If we stay up I can see him staying another year. Not sure if we go down but fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 09:00:27 AM
The cynic in me says he's playing for a move. We paid what, £15m for him?

A mid-table Prem team will easily pay that.

And then, presumably, they can pay the other £10 million to match his release clause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 09:02:11 AM
He might have been good but he's not going to get in Citeh's team. If we stay up I can see him staying another year. Not sure if we go down but fingers crossed.

They have two years to decide. The only thing that might work against us is if the Premier League/UEFA decide to make this year not count for FFP because of Covid, in which case they might want him back in the next transfer window as his fee wouldn't count against them.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on July 17, 2020, 09:04:25 AM
I wish we had more players playing for a move.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: mattjpa on July 17, 2020, 09:11:58 AM
He might have been good but he's not going to get in Citeh's team. If we stay up I can see him staying another year. Not sure if we go down but fingers crossed.

They have two years to decide. The only thing that might work against us is if the Premier League/UEFA decide to make this year not count for FFP because of Covid, in which case they might want him back in the next transfer window as his fee wouldn't count against them.

Dont forget that the powers that be have just chugged off the super clubs and given them the opportunity to replace their entire midfield every game with the new 5 subs rule. Next year, City 2-1 up against Sheff U on 65m with an important Champs League game coming up midweek. Pep subs on Foden, Gundogen and Luiz (all three of whom would start for 3/4 of the league teams) to wrap the game up. Any players good enough for the top 6 squads who would have otherwise probably preferred a mid table team for game time will know this. The trap door is slowly being pulled up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 09:53:51 AM
Yeah, probably right.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2020, 09:55:29 AM
Sadly I think heíll be gone. Heís going to be a cracking player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2020, 10:33:52 AM
He might have been good but he's not going to get in Citeh's team. If we stay up I can see him staying another year. Not sure if we go down but fingers crossed.
His rate of improvement suggests he will. Pep knows a good player when he sees one, we are now beginning to see this..
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on July 20, 2020, 02:00:07 PM
Sadly I think heíll be gone. Heís going to be a cracking player.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: CT on July 20, 2020, 02:44:32 PM
Sadly I think heíll be gone. Heís going to be a cracking player.

Agreed.

Heís been the obvious stand out since we restarted. His understanding of whatís going on around him has improved hugely.

Iíd love him to stay, but canít see it if the inevitable happens.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on July 20, 2020, 02:54:54 PM
Is it just a turnaround in form, fitness or has Smith finally worked out how to play him?

...more likely that Pep spoke to him 1-on-1 and told him how to improve to get back to City.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2020, 03:00:23 PM
Nonsense.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: john e on July 20, 2020, 09:54:32 PM
heís always had that touch of class about him

took time to adapt to the unique conditions of the prem but even when he was making a few mistakes and struggled with the pace of the game you could still tell there was something there that would eventually come good

I always thought weíd have a cracking player next season itís just happened a bit earlier

Iíve got the same hopes for Nakamba
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2020, 10:15:07 PM
I love the way Reina calls him "Duuuugeee" during covid games.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on July 20, 2020, 10:22:30 PM
He might have been good but he's not going to get in Citeh's team. If we stay up I can see him staying another year. Not sure if we go down but fingers crossed.

They have two years to decide. The only thing that might work against us is if the Premier League/UEFA decide to make this year not count for FFP because of Covid, in which case they might want him back in the next transfer window as his fee wouldn't count against them.

Dont forget that the powers that be have just chugged off the super clubs and given them the opportunity to replace their entire midfield every game with the new 5 subs rule. Next year, City 2-1 up against Sheff U on 65m with an important Champs League game coming up midweek. Pep subs on Foden, Gundogen and Luiz (all three of whom would start for 3/4 of the league teams) to wrap the game up. Any players good enough for the top 6 squads who would have otherwise probably preferred a mid table team for game time will know this. The trap door is slowly being pulled up.

Alex Ferguson was advocating for this setup a decade or more ago.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 21, 2020, 01:16:54 AM
Good to see that if a player doesn't improve, it demonstrates what a shit coach Dean is. If, however, a player does improve it's all praise to Pep Guardiola!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: tony scott on July 21, 2020, 07:14:12 AM
Good to see that if a player doesn't improve, it demonstrates what a shit coach Dean is. If, however, a player does improve it's all praise to Pep Guardiola!!
.   Good point, but if using his improvement as a yardstick we have had some players seemingly going backwards.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2020, 09:09:26 AM
Good to see that if a player doesn't improve, it demonstrates what a shit coach Dean is. If, however, a player does improve it's all praise to Pep Guardiola!!
.   Good point, but if using his improvement as a yardstick we have had some players seemingly going backwards.

That's a confidence issue more than anything.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on July 21, 2020, 11:30:52 AM
Doug was just a glorified loan wasn't he?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Clampy on July 21, 2020, 11:38:05 AM
Doug was just a glorified loan wasn't he?

No. If we stay up, he'll probably stay.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on July 21, 2020, 12:20:50 PM
Doug was just a glorified loan wasn't he?

It's a pretty good loan deal then because they have to pay us an extra £10m to buy him back apparently.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 21, 2020, 12:22:18 PM
Doug was just a glorified loan wasn't he?

No. If we stay up, he'll probably stay.

I would hope so, he's a player we could build around.  Not up to us though, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 21, 2020, 12:26:17 PM
Doug was just a glorified loan wasn't he?

It's a pretty good loan deal then because they have to pay us an extra £10m to buy him back apparently.

It's alright for us, whilst being meaningless to them - they have bottomless wealth and have now had it confirmed in court that they do not need to abide by FFP rules.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on July 21, 2020, 12:32:48 PM
Doug was just a glorified loan wasn't he?
I thought the deal was that we bought him outright and Citeh have first right of refusal when we come to sell; and that it is our call when we decide to sell.
Obviously, relegation will put pressure on us to sell.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: TonyD on July 21, 2020, 01:29:55 PM
He needs to stay.   
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on July 21, 2020, 03:15:37 PM
Doug was just a glorified loan wasn't he?
I thought the deal was that we bought him outright and Citeh have first right of refusal when we come to sell; and that it is our call when we decide to sell.
Obviously, relegation will put pressure on us to sell.

It's described as a "buy-out clause" which would suggest that if Citeh meet the trigger price we wouldn't be able to refuse.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2020, 03:19:30 PM
I can see them buying him back (if we go down) and then loaning him to a team in europe e.g. R.B Leipzig which they've done recently with Angelinho

I actually wonder whether we'd actually do that if we go down then he comes back here if we get straight back up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Smithy on July 21, 2020, 03:30:16 PM
Doug was just a glorified loan wasn't he?
I thought the deal was that we bought him outright and Citeh have first right of refusal when we come to sell; and that it is our call when we decide to sell.
Obviously, relegation will put pressure on us to sell.

It's described as a "buy-out clause" which would suggest that if Citeh meet the trigger price we wouldn't be able to refuse.

I believe you're both right. If we decide to sell, City get first refusal at whatever we're selling him for. If we don't decide to sell, there is a price we HAVE to accept (but only from City).

He's improved this year, but I'm not sure he's at a level to play a regular part for City just yet.  Look at who he'd be competing with.  I think he'd be very lucky to make the same number of appearance Foden has this year (20-odd).

If we stay up, he'll definitely stay.  If we don't, he'll very likely go, either to City who'll loan him out, or someone on the continent.  Either way, his career certainly appears to be on an upward trajectory and he's show he can compete in the premier league, so wouldn't rule out a few suitors here either.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2020, 10:35:20 PM
I love Douglas heís fucking brilliant.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2020, 10:49:19 PM
I love Douglas heís fucking brilliant.

I love that he took the yellow card when he did as well, that showed how much he's matured over the season because that could've been dangerous.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2020, 10:52:23 PM
Yep it was very smart, potentially critical.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2020, 10:56:20 PM
Got a really good mentality, understands the game as it develops. Also worked his balls off which is good as we don't know if he'll still be here.

Think he'll be huge for us next season if we stay up. Certainly a player to build a midfield round.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2020, 10:56:43 PM
If we stay up and he stays he'll get game time week in week out in the PL.  Hopefully that will appeal to him at his age.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on July 21, 2020, 11:00:56 PM
I'm a little more reassured he will stay because of City having the European ban lifted. That means they can go for superstars rather than biding their time with a rebuild.

That said, they're about to buy Ake for their collection of crap defenders, and some of the players they played against Watford were terrible too. Luiz is probably ready for them already.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Small Rodent on July 22, 2020, 01:50:55 PM
Last night he clattered an Arsenal player and showed he was up for business. He didn't do that in the early part of the season.

He's learning.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2020, 02:51:50 PM
Let's hope he learns West Ham on Sunday
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on July 22, 2020, 03:12:40 PM
Great performance again. Gritty, calm, precise.

His form, imho, has been as big a factor in these post covid games as grealish coming back was last season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2020, 03:16:13 PM
He has come on so much it's incredible.  It would be great news if we can keep him as he is the DM we've needed all season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 22, 2020, 03:17:19 PM
Love how he never gets flustered either. Seems to have adapted well post lockdown. Always seems to have time on the ball to pick the right pass too - Sign of a good player, and long may he remain one of ours!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on July 23, 2020, 02:19:27 AM
Love how he never gets flustered either. Seems to have adapted well post lockdown. Always seems to have time on the ball to pick the right pass too - Sign of a good player, and long may he remain one of ours!

And what a contrast to the universal consternation* at his being not up to speed and spending too long on the ball he then typically lost.
Long may we hold onto our best.

*not sure i've ever typed that word before.
A quick google to check the meaning "a sudden, alarming amazement or dread that results in utter confusion; dismay." sounds very H&V on a bad day!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on July 23, 2020, 07:10:36 AM
Possibly our best player
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: brian green on July 23, 2020, 07:25:17 AM
Players with bleached hair, in my experience, are either very good or very bad.  He is firmly in the former category.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on July 23, 2020, 07:40:21 AM
I love Douglas heís fucking brilliant.

I'd love to see him remain and be a fixture in the midfield for club and country for years to come.

Might help our cause should we be looking at more Brazilians in future.

BTW: Always felt it odd that so few of them play in English football traditionally.  I've heard the weather and culture etc cited as factors.  And compared to possible moves to Portugal or Spain I get that.  But plenty play in the Netherlands, Germany and Russia and and don't seem to have too many issues settling in.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: frank black on July 23, 2020, 07:45:02 AM
Heís been excellent hasnít he. Letís hope we can get to make him a fans hero next season.

(Villa, can you please make some no strings attached signings for next season please)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: sid1964 on July 23, 2020, 07:45:59 AM
I would imagine he will be looking to sign for a Champions League team next season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2020, 07:48:55 AM
BTW: Always felt it odd that so few of them play in English football traditionally.  I've heard the weather and culture etc cited as factors.  And compared to possible moves to Portugal or Spain I get that.  But plenty play in the Netherlands, Germany and Russia and and don't seem to have too many issues settling in.

Work permits. Other countries have far fewer restrictions on footballers having the right to go there and play than the UK does.

The main reason he's with us in the first place.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on July 23, 2020, 07:55:51 AM
Makes sense.

Don't a few of them get round that with Italian or Portuguese passports though.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 23, 2020, 08:02:20 AM
Now going to Arsenal!  According to BBC Gossip.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2020, 08:21:35 AM
Makes sense.

Don't a few of them get round that with Italian or Portuguese passports though.

That's a bit different. Other leagues have limits on the total number of non-EU players that are allowed in a squad. So if you are a promising footballer in South America you get yourself a passport to make yourself a more attractive transfer option as you wouldn't be taking up a non-EU place.

Obviously it wouldn't hurt with a potential move to England later, but it's more to help Argentines / Brazilians etc get a move to Italy or Portugal as teams are more likely to take a punt on them.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: frank black on July 23, 2020, 08:27:29 AM
Now going to Arsenal!  According to BBC Gossip.


TBF they have got that from another awful click bait article. If he were to go to Arsenal heíd need to go to Man City first due to the clause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2020, 06:45:40 PM
This needs to be bumped. Douglas Luiz was a fucking Rolls Royce since the restart. Absolutely superb and contributed fully to us staying up.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: stevo_st on July 26, 2020, 06:53:19 PM
Heí s been superb at controlling the tempo at key moments since the restart
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2020, 06:54:53 PM
Dean Smith brought this guy to the party love it how he has excelled game after game since lock down.
Dougie super.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on July 26, 2020, 06:55:45 PM
Been brilliant in every game since the restart. Take him out of these games and weíre down, simple as that. Love the guy.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 26, 2020, 07:48:54 PM
Really want us to keep him.

Be bloody hard to replace a central midfield of Douglas, McGinn and Grealish.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Billy Walker on July 26, 2020, 07:50:01 PM
Villa need to talk to Man City and buy out that clause if possible. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2020, 07:50:33 PM
Don't see him going anywhere now. Think we'll be one of the joys of next season. Last 5-6 games is a hint of what's to come on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on July 26, 2020, 07:53:03 PM
Better than Jack, obviously in a different position. I'd rather keep him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on July 26, 2020, 07:56:13 PM
Looking forward to see him develop over the next few years. With us.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 26, 2020, 08:08:26 PM
I said many months ago that Douglas Luiz has the busy but elegant running style of Dennis Mortimer, and over the last few weeks he has delivered performances and inspiration of a like kind. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2020, 08:30:48 PM
Doug was just a glorified loan wasn't he?
I thought the deal was that we bought him outright and Citeh have first right of refusal when we come to sell; and that it is our call when we decide to sell.
Obviously, relegation will put pressure on us to sell.

It's described as a "buy-out clause" which would suggest that if Citeh meet the trigger price we wouldn't be able to refuse.

I believe you're both right. If we decide to sell, City get first refusal at whatever we're selling him for. If we don't decide to sell, there is a price we HAVE to accept (but only from City).

...
Oh, okay - thanks; cleared that up (for me, at least).
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on July 26, 2020, 08:37:14 PM
Other than generally playing brilliantly, these games have shown that he is definitely a very, very good CDM. Jury was out on whether that was his best role and whether he has the engine and discipline for it. Itís clear now those issues have been worked on and were a product of his age and fitness level when he joined.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: gpbarr on July 26, 2020, 08:40:04 PM
For me, heís the player to build around, not SJG. Luis could be the engine room of a resurgent Villa in the same way Mortimer was 40 years ago.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2020, 08:41:31 PM
Heís fucking ace.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 08:45:25 PM
For me, heís the player to build around, not SJG. Luis could be the engine room of a resurgent Villa in the same way Mortimer was 40 years ago.

Does it need to be one or the other?

Personally I'd leave Jack where he is, listed as a left winger but with a lot of licence, I'd add another winger with pace and goals on the other side and a nasty bastard to help look after Douglas and McGinn in the middle.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 09:05:50 PM
He's absolute shit. Man City would be crazy to buy him back.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2020, 09:11:42 PM
Really hope we have another season of him playing for us.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: frank black on July 26, 2020, 09:17:01 PM
Really hope we have another season of him playing for us.

Iíd agree however I believe the buy back fee increases if he stays on ( from reports) So if he goes back he goes back now, or we spend significant money to remove the buy back clause maybe?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 09:19:04 PM
I don't think he's going anywhere. I don't think anyone we really want to keep will leave this summer. I just think this will be the summer where the owners will want to show they're not messing around.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 09:23:29 PM
I don't think he's going anywhere. I don't think anyone we really want to keep will leave this summer. I just think this will be the summer where the owners will want to show they're not messing around.

It doesn't matter though what the owners think if Man City decide they want him, City have got the right to buy him back at their option this season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on July 26, 2020, 09:26:06 PM
We need him. As mentioned above, a nasty bastard now required to complete a midfield which will now come into its own if he stays. Hes already becoming an outstanding player and McGinn now looking like his old self also. Jack must and has to stay now surely. And City can fuck off.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2020, 09:44:36 PM
I don't think he's going anywhere. I don't think anyone we really want to keep will leave this summer. I just think this will be the summer where the owners will want to show they're not messing around.

It doesn't matter though what the owners think if Man City decide they want him, City have got the right to buy him back at their option this season.

Yup. So letís bloody hope they are happy for him to remain here.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: frank black on July 26, 2020, 09:50:31 PM
Yep, itís a fingers crossed scenario
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on July 26, 2020, 09:51:57 PM
Youíd imagine he has a say. He owes us nothing of course but he seems happy here and like he has a bit about him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villan82 on July 26, 2020, 09:56:11 PM
Love this player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 09:59:28 PM
I don't think he's going anywhere. I don't think anyone we really want to keep will leave this summer. I just think this will be the summer where the owners will want to show they're not messing around.

It doesn't matter though what the owners think if Man City decide they want him, City have got the right to buy him back at their option this season.

Of course it matters, if we want to keep him and he isn't desperate to go then he won't go, he's not going to start 30+ games at Man City, he is with us and he seems to be sensible enough to realise that game time is the most important thing for him right now. We can't reject the offer if they meet their clause but we can offer him a pay rise and contract extension if he tells them to piss off for at least another season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on July 26, 2020, 10:02:56 PM
I think  Man City will be happy for him to stay at Villa playing week-in, week-out and continuing to develop.  If he has another step up in performance next year they can always trigger his buy out clause next Summer when he stands a chance of actually getting in to their midfield.

Now we've stayed up, I think the only player we'll lose to someone better is Grealish.  The only others I can see going out of the door are the ones that aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 10:06:53 PM
I don't think he's going anywhere. I don't think anyone we really want to keep will leave this summer. I just think this will be the summer where the owners will want to show they're not messing around.

It doesn't matter though what the owners think if Man City decide they want him, City have got the right to buy him back at their option this season.

Of course it matters, if we want to keep him and he isn't desperate to go then he won't go, he's not going to start 30+ games at Man City, he is with us and he seems to be sensible enough to realise that game time is the most important thing for him right now. We can't reject the offer if they meet their clause but we can offer him a pay rise and contract extension if he tells them to piss off for at least another season.

That's not how buy back clauses work.  Neither the club who bought the player (in this case us) or the player (Luiz) would have a say in the matter if they exercise the right to buy him back at the predetermined fee.  Man City might feel they need him, or buy him back and sell him to somebody else for a higher price.  Or they might not and he stays with us, but in either case, the ball is entirely in Man City's court.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 10:06:55 PM
I think  Man City will be happy for him to stay at Villa playing week-in, week-out and continuing to develop.  If he has another step up in performance next year they can always trigger his buy out clause next Summer when he stands a chance of actually getting in to their midfield.

Now we've stayed up, I think the only player we'll lose to someone better is Grealish.  The only others I can see going out of the door are the ones that aren't good enough.

Exactly, all the reports suggest they have 2 seasons to activate it, I just don't see how it works for anyone for them to do it this summer. I disagree on Jack though, I think he can be persuaded to stay for another season so long as the players we're looking at are good enough for us to push on.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 10:08:57 PM
The 5 sub rule is what makes me think there's a chance they'll sign him back for a season and he'll either kick on or they'll flog next summer for a profit.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 10:11:17 PM
The 5 sub rule is what makes me think there's a chance they'll sign him back for a season and he'll either kick on or they'll flog next summer for a profit.

I don't see it because they'd still struggle to get a work permit for him. If he stays, gets into the Brazilian squad, and has lots of other clubs interested then those problems go away. As I say, I don't see anyone benefiting from him going back there this summer.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 10:13:55 PM
I fancy that if they want a work permit for him they'll get it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 10:15:36 PM
I fancy that if they want a work permit for him they'll get it.

I'm not sure, they couldn't for 2 seasons and on paper nothing much has changed in his circumstances since then. If they wanted him to play every game then they might push for it but to be an option off the bench, I can't see it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 26, 2020, 10:18:25 PM
He was the player that really stood out post restart. Consistent in every game. Strong, composed, resolute.

Bearing in mind that he'd been in and out of the team pre-Covid his emergence has been a massive reason why we have stayed up.

Really need to keep him if we can.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on July 26, 2020, 10:19:39 PM
The 5 sub rule is what makes me think there's a chance they'll sign him back for a season and he'll either kick on or they'll flog next summer for a profit.

The bit that's in our favour is that he's only really done it for the last 10 games.  If Citeh thought he was close to being good enough they'd have loaned him out or kept him in the squad a la Foden.  But they obviously decided he probably wasn't going to make the cut and included the buy-back clause as an insurance policy.

I can't see 10 games convincing them they got it wrong.  It could just as easily be a flash in the pan as proof that they misjudged him.

Why gamble on £25m now, when they could see him over a full season next season and then decide for the same fee?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 10:20:53 PM
I fancy that if they want a work permit for him they'll get it.

I'm not sure, they couldn't for 2 seasons and on paper nothing much has changed in his circumstances since then. If they wanted him to play every game then they might push for it but to be an option off the bench, I can't see it.

His fee will be a lot higher, so that's one thing that has changed that would pass the test.  Then they'd argue that he's be a regular squad player.  Finally, he's turned out for Brazil, and in the Covid affected world we now live in, he'll have played a high percentage of international games in the last 12 months.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 10:21:43 PM
The 5 sub rule is what makes me think there's a chance they'll sign him back for a season and he'll either kick on or they'll flog next summer for a profit.

The bit that's in our favour is that he's only really done it for the last 10 games.  If Citeh thought he was close to being good enough they'd have loaned him out or kept him in the squad a la Foden.  But they obviously decided he probably wasn't going to make the cut, but included the buy-back clause as an insurance policy.

I can't see 10 games convincing them they got it wrong.  It could just as easily be a flash in the pan as proof that they misjudged him.

Why gamble on £25m now, when they could see him over a full season next season and then decide for the same fee?

They couldn't keep him in the squad as they couldn't get a work permit last season. They've done the equivalent of loaning him out but getting a wodge of cash as well with the deal with us.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 26, 2020, 10:28:11 PM
Wasn't part/all of our getting a permit, the relative fee we paid? If they want to buy him back and get a permit, would they not have to fork out seriously big time? It doesn't look like there's been much shift in his eligibility.

Info on the points allocation criteria here https://latitudelaw.com/news/the-fas-policy-on-non-eu-football-players-and-possible-implications-following-brexit/
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 10:31:44 PM
I fancy that if they want a work permit for him they'll get it.

I'm not sure, they couldn't for 2 seasons and on paper nothing much has changed in his circumstances since then. If they wanted him to play every game then they might push for it but to be an option off the bench, I can't see it.

His fee will be a lot higher, so that's one thing that has changed that would pass the test.  Then they'd argue that he's be a regular squad player.  Finally, he's turned out for Brazil, and in the Covid affected world we now live in, he'll have played a high percentage of international games in the last 12 months.

Will his fee be enough to meet the criteria? If it is then we'll have made a good profit. Will his wages at City put him as one of their top earners? I doubt it. 1 appearance for Brazil, even with the virus, isn't enough for them to claim he's a regular at international level. They'd have to go through an appeal (much like we did) but whereas we could legitimately claim he was going to be a key player for us Man City just can't do that.

They won't want to sign him back only to fail to ge a permit again and be back to square one and there's every chance that could happen because on paper his eligibility hasn't changed much.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 10:32:51 PM
Covid will most likely have an effect on International criteria, and they can give him a good chunk of wages. He'd get the permit I reckon.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 10:39:39 PM
Covid will most likely have an effect on International criteria, and they can give him a good chunk of wages. He'd get the permit I reckon.

Maybe, maybe not. that's my point. If they wanted him back to play regularly I can see them going for it but I just don't see them being there yet. If they give it another year and he carries on as he has then they activate it knowing he's proven at this level. I might be wrong but I just don't see why they'd do it this summer.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 10:46:17 PM
I fancy that if they want a work permit for him they'll get it.

I'm not sure, they couldn't for 2 seasons and on paper nothing much has changed in his circumstances since then. If they wanted him to play every game then they might push for it but to be an option off the bench, I can't see it.

His fee will be a lot higher, so that's one thing that has changed that would pass the test.  Then they'd argue that he's be a regular squad player.  Finally, he's turned out for Brazil, and in the Covid affected world we now live in, he'll have played a high percentage of international games in the last 12 months.

Will his fee be enough to meet the criteria? If it is then we'll have made a good profit. Will his wages at City put him as one of their top earners? I doubt it. 1 appearance for Brazil, even with the virus, isn't enough for them to claim he's a regular at international level. They'd have to go through an appeal (much like we did) but whereas we could legitimately claim he was going to be a key player for us Man City just can't do that.

They won't want to sign him back only to fail to ge a permit again and be back to square one and there's every chance that could happen because on paper his eligibility hasn't changed much.

There's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets.  So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points.  If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points.  For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point.  5 points and you pass the appeal.

To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:

If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.
They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 10:57:55 PM
The international criteria has to be different, the window will be open when it's been nearly a year since most countries played.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:08:51 PM
There's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets.  So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points.  If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points.  For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point.  5 points and you pass the appeal.

To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:

If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.
They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.

Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.

All the rest, maybe, maybe not. As I said.


The international criteria has to be different, the window will be open when it's been nearly a year since most countries played.


Of course but if 1 appearance in a friendly is enough then the criteria is pretty much removed.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 11:10:15 PM
There's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets.  So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points.  If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points.  For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point.  5 points and you pass the appeal.

To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:

If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.
They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.

Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.

All the rest, maybe, maybe not. As I said.


The international criteria has to be different, the window will be open when it's been nearly a year since most countries played.


Of course but if 1 appearance in a friendly is enough then the criteria is pretty much removed.

No the bit in bold isn't wrong.  You clearly don't understand how buy back clauses work.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 11:13:05 PM
He played in their last international, that international football has since been cancelled does make the international criteria pretty much void this window.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 26, 2020, 11:19:13 PM
He's played alright in ten games for a team in the bottom three. I don't think he's done enough to be off just yet.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:20:55 PM
He played in their last international, that international football has since been cancelled does make the international criteria pretty much void this window.

Maybe, but seeing as it's 30% of games over 2 years, maybe not.

Risso I can't be arsed to reply to you thinking that players can be forced to sign contracts, it's too late for such a pointless discussion.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2020, 11:22:09 PM
There's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets.  So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points.  If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points.  For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point.  5 points and you pass the appeal.

To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:

If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.
They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.

Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.

Risso's correct. In an arrangement like this, the player has already given his consent to the return move when he signed with us last summer.

If they want him,  he has already agreed to the transfer back and did so nearly a year ago.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:23:53 PM
There's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets.  So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points.  If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points.  For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point.  5 points and you pass the appeal.

To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:

If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.
They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.

Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.

Risso's correct. In an arrangement like this, the player has already given his consent to the return move when he signed with us last summer.

If they want him,  he has already agreed to the transfer back and did so nearly a year ago.

He'd still need to sign the agreement, it's normally a moot point because the player agreed to it and wants to go back but at the point where they action the clause he has to confirm it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 11:26:43 PM
He played in their last international, that international football has since been cancelled does make the international criteria pretty much void this window.

Maybe, but seeing as it's 30% of games over 2 years, maybe not.

Risso I can't be arsed to reply to you thinking that players can be forced to sign contracts, it's too late for such a pointless discussion.

There's no maybe not about it. You can't have a criteria based on the last 2 years when nearly half that time has had no games. You can't go alter the time frame as young players like Luiz will be penalised for being young.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2020, 11:29:43 PM
There's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets.  So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points.  If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points.  For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point.  5 points and you pass the appeal.

To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:

If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.
They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.

Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.

Risso's correct. In an arrangement like this, the player has already given his consent to the return move when he signed with us last summer.

If they want him,  he has already agreed to the transfer back and did so nearly a year ago.

He'd still need to sign the agreement, it's normally a moot point because the player agreed to it and wants to go back but at the point where they action the clause he has to confirm it.

He has already signed the agreement. The return terms are agreed at the point of the original transfer. The original selling club literally has a one-way switch to enact the terms that everyone agreed and signed off at the start.

Precisely to stop the player / new club colluding in the way that you describe.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:31:00 PM
He played in their last international, that international football has since been cancelled does make the international criteria pretty much void this window.

Maybe, but seeing as it's 30% of games over 2 years, maybe not.

Risso I can't be arsed to reply to you thinking that players can be forced to sign contracts, it's too late for such a pointless discussion.

There's no maybe not about it. You can't have a criteria based on the last 2 years when nearly half that time has had no games. You can't go alter the time frame as young players like Liuz will be penalised for being young.

Of course there is, less than 30% of the games in that period have been lost so even if you can argue that he would have played them all he'd miss out on the criteria. It may be changed but that there's no guarantee that any change would see him 'pass' that requirement.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Small Rodent on July 26, 2020, 11:32:02 PM
Heís not good enough for Man
city yet. But heís good enough for us.

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 11:32:35 PM
There's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets.  So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points.  If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points.  For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point.  5 points and you pass the appeal.

To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:

If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.
They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.

Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.

Risso's correct. In an arrangement like this, the player has already given his consent to the return move when he signed with us last summer.

If they want him,  he has already agreed to the transfer back and did so nearly a year ago.

He'd still need to sign the agreement, it's normally a moot point because the player agreed to it and wants to go back but at the point where they action the clause he has to confirm it.

He has already signed the agreement. The return terms are agreed at the point of the original transfer. The original selling club literally has a one-way switch to enact the terms that everyone agreed and signed off at the start.

Precisely to stop the player / new club colluding in the way that you describe.

So, he wouldn't be able to renegotiate his wages? In which case he still would be nowhere near one of the higher paid players at Man City and thus wouldn't qualify for a work permit.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 11:36:26 PM
Ok, they won't change the criteria after losing 11 months of games. Good grief, life's too short.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 11:37:06 PM
Risso I can't be arsed to reply to you thinking that players can be forced to sign contracts, it's too late for such a pointless discussion.

As Dave has pointed out, he has already agreed to the contract.  You're making yourself look stupid now, this is contract law 1.0
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:38:37 PM
Also if he signed a new deal with us putting him on a wage higher than the one in the buy back and they triggered it afterwards does anyone honestly believe that wouldn't be challenged.

The player always has a choice if for no other reason than if they told him they were activating the clause and he said he didn't them to would any club go ahead with it? There is always a choice there, it's just not something that's ever been tested because normally the player wants to go back, which is why the agreed to it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2020, 11:39:01 PM
There's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets.  So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points.  If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points.  For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point.  5 points and you pass the appeal.

To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:

If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.
They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.

Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.

Risso's correct. In an arrangement like this, the player has already given his consent to the return move when he signed with us last summer.

If they want him,  he has already agreed to the transfer back and did so nearly a year ago.

He'd still need to sign the agreement, it's normally a moot point because the player agreed to it and wants to go back but at the point where they action the clause he has to confirm it.

He has already signed the agreement. The return terms are agreed at the point of the original transfer. The original selling club literally has a one-way switch to enact the terms that everyone agreed and signed off at the start.

Precisely to stop the player / new club colluding in the way that you describe.

So, he wouldn't be able to renegotiate his wages? In which case he still would be nowhere near one of the higher paid players at Man City and thus wouldn't qualify for a work permit.

Again, it's all in the original agreement. He has no need to - because it's in City's commitment to him when it's first proposed. 

"If we're spending £25m to buy you back then we think you're good enough (or we can get more than we're spending on you by selling you elsewhere) to warrant tripling your wages".

Just like City don't agree to it last year if it doesn't work for them,  neither do Villa (who make a big profit) or the player (who gets a huge pay-rise)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 11:39:41 PM
Ok, they won't change the criteria after losing 11 months of games. Good grief, life's too short.

Even if they didn't (and I agree with you they would) he'd breeze through the appeal on the points basis I outlined above. 
Pay him a wage that sees him in the top half of earners - 2 points.
Transfer fee in the top half of fees for the Premier League - 2 points
Played in 30% plus of Villa's matches this season - 1 point

Appeal passed.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:40:01 PM
Ok, they won't change the criteria after losing 11 months of games. Good grief, life's too short.

Indeed it is, they currently haven't changed the criteria so we don't know what those criteria will be, that's really not complicated.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2020, 11:40:03 PM
Also if he signed a new deal with us putting him on a wage higher than the one in the buy back and they triggered it afterwards does anyone honestly believe that wouldn't be challenged.

The player always has a choice if for no other reason than if they told him they were activating the clause and he said he didn't them to would any club go ahead with it? There is always a choice there, it's just not something that's ever been tested because normally the player wants to go back, which is why the agreed to it.

I'm pretty sure Man City wouldn't have inserted the buy back clause in the first place if it was that easily waved away.

And, let's be honest, it's Man City, insane amounts of money and lots of scope for titles. Of course he's going to go there.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 11:41:39 PM
Also if he signed a new deal with us putting him on a wage higher than the one in the buy back and they triggered it afterwards does anyone honestly believe that wouldn't be challenged.

The player always has a choice if for no other reason than if they told him they were activating the clause and he said he didn't them to would any club go ahead with it? There is always a choice there, it's just not something that's ever been tested because normally the player wants to go back, which is why the agreed to it.

Challenged how?  He's happily signed a contract agreeing to the terms.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 11:42:25 PM
Well, regardless, they still have this year and next before the clause expires, and he has only been Man City standard for a couple of months. I reckon they will give him another year at Villa to decide whether they fancy bringing him back.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 11:43:01 PM
Ok, they won't change the criteria after losing 11 months of games. Good grief, life's too short.

Indeed it is, they currently haven't changed the criteria so we don't know what those criteria will be, that's really not complicated.

And yet it seems so for you.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Small Rodent on July 26, 2020, 11:44:04 PM
How do you all know his detailed contract?

Can you put a copy online for me to read
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2020, 11:44:13 PM
Thereís the Villa fan side of it that time would think he loves the club like we do. Why would he leave? And thereís the reality side of it. The business side of it. These players arenít tied to us or anyone else emotionally. And that includes Jack at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 11:48:08 PM
Well, regardless, they still have this year and next before the clause expires, and he has only been Man City standard for a couple of months. I reckon they will give him another year at Villa to decide whether they fancy bringing him back.

I hope they do, he's been brilliant lately and he's turned into a great player.  if Jack does leave, we'll need Luiz for sure.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:49:09 PM
Also if he signed a new deal with us putting him on a wage higher than the one in the buy back and they triggered it afterwards does anyone honestly believe that wouldn't be challenged.

The player always has a choice if for no other reason than if they told him they were activating the clause and he said he didn't them to would any club go ahead with it? There is always a choice there, it's just not something that's ever been tested because normally the player wants to go back, which is why the agreed to it.

I'm pretty sure Man City wouldn't have inserted the buy back clause in the first place if it was that easily waved away.

And, let's be honest, it's Man City, insane amounts of money and lots of scope for titles. Of course he's going to go there.

Absolutely agree with the bold bit and that's true in almost every buy-back that's ever been agreed, but lets make up a scenario or 2;

We sign a player and then qualify for the champions league at the expense of the club he came from, they try to activate the clause, we and the player say bollocks. Does anyone honestly think the player would end up leaving in those circumstances?

How about if a player knew they were looking to bring him back only to loan him out somewhere else when he's settled and happy, does anyone believe that there wouldn't be some sort of accommodation made for that?

That's all I'm getting at, there is always negotiation to be done.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Small Rodent on July 26, 2020, 11:49:28 PM
Thereís the Villa fan side of it that time would think he loves the club like we do. Why would he leave? And thereís the reality side of it. The business side of it. These players arenít tied to us or anyone else emotionally. And that includes Jack at the end of the day.

Absolutely...a better offer...even an equal offer for a better team is attractive.

Fuck it...I can believe many players would take a pay cut to sit on the bench at some world famous teams.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 11:50:49 PM
No one knows the finer details of his contract, but buy back clauses are pretty standard.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 11:51:06 PM
Also if he signed a new deal with us putting him on a wage higher than the one in the buy back and they triggered it afterwards does anyone honestly believe that wouldn't be challenged.

The player always has a choice if for no other reason than if they told him they were activating the clause and he said he didn't them to would any club go ahead with it? There is always a choice there, it's just not something that's ever been tested because normally the player wants to go back, which is why the agreed to it.

I'm pretty sure Man City wouldn't have inserted the buy back clause in the first place if it was that easily waved away.

And, let's be honest, it's Man City, insane amounts of money and lots of scope for titles. Of course he's going to go there.

Absolutely agree with the bold bit and that's true in almost every buy-back that's ever been agreed, but lets make up a scenario or 2;

We sign a player and then qualify for the champions league at the expense of the club he came from, they try to activate the clause, we and the player say bollocks. Does anyone honestly think the player would end up leaving in those circumstances?

How about if a player knew they were looking to bring him back only to loan him out somewhere else when he's settled and happy, does anyone believe that there wouldn't be some sort of accommodation made for that?

That's all I'm getting at, there is always negotiation to be done.

You really are talking the most colossal amount of uninformed rubbish.  I do wish you'd stop.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2020, 11:51:43 PM
Thereís the Villa fan side of it that time would think he loves the club like we do. Why would he leave? And thereís the reality side of it. The business side of it. These players arenít tied to us or anyone else emotionally. And that includes Jack at the end of the day.

Absolutely...a better offer...even an equal offer for a better team is attractive.

Fuck it...I can believe many players would take a pay cut to sit on the bench at some world famous teams.

But they do. All the time. But at that moment they are all convinced they will start or at least play a significant role for the new team. Even Danny Drinkwater when he went to Chelsea as a PL champion didnít think heíd be at Burnley a short time later.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 11:51:48 PM
No one knows the finer details of his contract, but buy back clauses are pretty standard.

Is there a chance that his buy back clause could trigger a bidding war?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 11:57:21 PM
No one knows the finer details of his contract, but buy back clauses are pretty standard.

Is there a chance that his buy back clause could trigger a bidding war?

Man City should offer more than the buy back clause to show Luiz how much they want him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 11:59:23 PM
If we have any ambition we will just reject their offer unless it is at least double the buy back clause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2020, 12:02:33 AM
We sign a player and then qualify for the champions league at the expense of the club he came from, they try to activate the clause, we and the player say bollocks. Does anyone honestly think the player would end up leaving in those circumstances?

We and the player don't get around to saying bollocks, we would simply look at the contract that all parties signed and say "yes, that's what we all agreed to, best of luck in the Europa League Douglas".
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2020, 12:05:30 AM
We sign a player and then qualify for the champions league at the expense of the club he came from, they try to activate the clause, we and the player say bollocks. Does anyone honestly think the player would end up leaving in those circumstances?

We and the player don't get around to saying bollocks, we would simply look at the contract that all parties signed and say "yes, that's what we all agreed to, best of luck in the Europa League Douglas".

Like when Suarez signed for Arsenal do you mean?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Small Rodent on July 27, 2020, 12:09:12 AM
Thereís the Villa fan side of it that time would think he loves the club like we do. Why would he leave? And thereís the reality side of it. The business side of it. These players arenít tied to us or anyone else emotionally. And that includes Jack at the end of the day.

Absolutely...a better offer...even an equal offer for a better team is attractive.

Fuck it...I can believe many players would take a pay cut to sit on the bench at some world famous teams.

But they do. All the time. But at that moment they are all convinced they will start or at least play a significant role for the new team. Even Danny Drinkwater when he went to Chelsea as a PL champion didnít think heíd be at Burnley a short time later.


I said ďcanĒ not ďcanítĒ....i agree with you.

Or maybe Iím getting confused?

Who cares!!!!!! What a day!!!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2020, 12:13:13 AM
We sign a player and then qualify for the champions league at the expense of the club he came from, they try to activate the clause, we and the player say bollocks. Does anyone honestly think the player would end up leaving in those circumstances?

We and the player don't get around to saying bollocks, we would simply look at the contract that all parties signed and say "yes, that's what we all agreed to, best of luck in the Europa League Douglas".

Like when Suarez signed for Arsenal do you mean?

Nope. Literally nothing like that at all.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 12:13:16 AM
We sign a player and then qualify for the champions league at the expense of the club he came from, they try to activate the clause, we and the player say bollocks. Does anyone honestly think the player would end up leaving in those circumstances?

We and the player don't get around to saying bollocks, we would simply look at the contract that all parties signed and say "yes, that's what we all agreed to, best of luck in the Europa League Douglas".

Like when Suarez signed for Arsenal do you mean?

When did Arsenal sell him to Liverpool and insert a buy back clause?

Or do you mean the clause that meant Liverpool had to discuss the transfer bid with Suarez and that it was never a release clause? As confirmed by the brilliantly named Dick Law, who was the Arsenal transfer negotiator.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2020, 12:13:34 AM
We sign a player and then qualify for the champions league at the expense of the club he came from, they try to activate the clause, we and the player say bollocks. Does anyone honestly think the player would end up leaving in those circumstances?

We and the player don't get around to saying bollocks, we would simply look at the contract that all parties signed and say "yes, that's what we all agreed to, best of luck in the Europa League Douglas".

Like when Suarez signed for Arsenal do you mean?

Suarez wasn't a buy back situation, and it wasn't even a buy-out situation, as even Arsenal acknowledged.  All the clause in that instance stated was that Liverpool had to inform him about any bids.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2020, 12:17:06 AM
Maybe Dick Law could help us keep Luiz.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 12:17:12 AM
As Dick Law *giggle* said

Quote
"That spring, news got round to us that Suarez wanted out of Liverpool,Ē he said.

ďWe got information that showed us what was negotiated between Liverpool and the player, and in our internal conversations decided that the clause was meaningless, that it was not a buy-out and it didnít obligate Liverpool to do anything apart from have a conversation.

ďSo, whoever agreed to that clause in the Suarez camp was being less than clever because it was never a buy-out. What there was, was an obligation to discuss a transfer if a threshold was met and that threshold was £40m.Ē

Law added: ďNow, we didnít know if Liverpool received an offer of £40m whether they would say, 'thatís not more than £40m'. We could have gone with £45m, but the point is we knew there was never a buy-out.

ďSo, it was never going to be a bid of £40m+1, it was always going to be the start of a negotiation.Ē
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on July 27, 2020, 12:23:23 AM
He's had a handful of decent games, he won't get in Citeh's midfield. Better staying at Villa with regular game time instead of warming their bench....
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2020, 12:32:13 AM
What a do recall about the Suarez story was that there was a clause and that Liverpool won the ensuing bidding war to keep him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2020, 12:38:22 AM
I mentioned the Suarez thing because contract clauses can be a messy thing. I don't for 1 second believe Man City will have fucked it up like that but I also don't think it's as simple as them clicking their fingers and back he goes. The player will always have a say.

All of which is a massive departure from the point anyway which is that them activating it is a bad idea for all parties unless Man City are planning on starting regularly.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 12:41:54 AM
It wasn't messy though, it was really clear. The media didn't understand it and reported it wrong, the contract itself was really straight forward.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on July 27, 2020, 03:11:11 AM
I keep hearing about the buy back clause and the possibility of City maybe buying him back to on sell.

How long does this buy back clause last for, 2 years? If City play it clever surely another year with us playing week in week out is better for them than having a 3rd choice midfielder and stopping his development.

If Man City did buy him back, especially if it was for the purpose of selling him on again, whats to stop us putting in a bid for him? If they bought him back for $25m to on sell for $40m wouldn't it just be easier to do a deal with us involving us paying another $15m to rip up the agreement?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: dave17 on July 27, 2020, 03:37:53 AM
I keep hearing about the buy back clause and the possibility of City maybe buying him back to on sell.

How long does this buy back clause last for, 2 years? If City play it clever surely another year with us playing week in week out is better for them than having a 3rd choice midfielder and stopping his development.

If Man City did buy him back, especially if it was for the purpose of selling him on again, whats to stop us putting in a bid for him? If they bought him back for $25m to on sell for $40m wouldn't it just be easier to do a deal with us involving us paying another $15m to rip up the agreement?

With the 5 subs rule in place it probably makes sense for city to use him to close out those 4-0 games to save the legs of the first 11. Personally I think heís been player of the year based upon his post restart form. Worked tirelessly, been great on and off the ball. Grealish will always get the plaudits but without luiz we would be down
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 27, 2020, 08:46:56 AM
What a player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2020, 08:51:13 AM
I keep hearing about the buy back clause and the possibility of City maybe buying him back to on sell.

How long does this buy back clause last for, 2 years? If City play it clever surely another year with us playing week in week out is better for them than having a 3rd choice midfielder and stopping his development.

If Man City did buy him back, especially if it was for the purpose of selling him on again, whats to stop us putting in a bid for him? If they bought him back for $25m to on sell for $40m wouldn't it just be easier to do a deal with us involving us paying another $15m to rip up the agreement?


All of the parties involved (Villa, City, Luiz) can mutually agree to terminate or amend the existing contract if for example we wanted to make the signing 'permanent', but it would obviously have to be in all three parties' interests.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 27, 2020, 08:52:47 AM
I keep hearing about the buy back clause and the possibility of City maybe buying him back to on sell.

How long does this buy back clause last for, 2 years? If City play it clever surely another year with us playing week in week out is better for them than having a 3rd choice midfielder and stopping his development.

If Man City did buy him back, especially if it was for the purpose of selling him on again, whats to stop us putting in a bid for him? If they bought him back for $25m to on sell for $40m wouldn't it just be easier to do a deal with us involving us paying another $15m to rip up the agreement?


All of the parties involved (Villa, City, Luiz) can mutually agree to terminate or amend the existing contract if for example we wanted to make the signing 'permanent', but it would obviously have to be in all three parties' interests.

Aye, I'd imagine that would involved money changing hands again too. "Buying out" the clause or what not.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on July 27, 2020, 08:54:43 AM
I keep hearing about the buy back clause and the possibility of City maybe buying him back to on sell.

How long does this buy back clause last for, 2 years? If City play it clever surely another year with us playing week in week out is better for them than having a 3rd choice midfielder and stopping his development.

If Man City did buy him back, especially if it was for the purpose of selling him on again, whats to stop us putting in a bid for him? If they bought him back for $25m to on sell for $40m wouldn't it just be easier to do a deal with us involving us paying another $15m to rip up the agreement?

With the 5 subs rule in place it probably makes sense for city to use him to close out those 4-0 games to save the legs of the first 11. Personally I think heís been player of the year based upon his post restart form. Worked tirelessly, been great on and off the ball. Grealish will always get the plaudits but without luiz we would be down
He's played like a player who is significantly more experienced.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2020, 09:00:37 AM
I keep hearing about the buy back clause and the possibility of City maybe buying him back to on sell.

How long does this buy back clause last for, 2 years? If City play it clever surely another year with us playing week in week out is better for them than having a 3rd choice midfielder and stopping his development.

If Man City did buy him back, especially if it was for the purpose of selling him on again, whats to stop us putting in a bid for him? If they bought him back for $25m to on sell for $40m wouldn't it just be easier to do a deal with us involving us paying another $15m to rip up the agreement?


All of the parties involved (Villa, City, Luiz) can mutually agree to terminate or amend the existing contract if for example we wanted to make the signing 'permanent', but it would obviously have to be in all three parties' interests.

Aye, I'd imagine that would involved money changing hands again too. "Buying out" the clause or what not.

Indeed. If they are buying him to sell him elsewhere,  I'm sure that they'd be as happy to take our money as anyone else's.

If they're buying him to play, then I'm guessing the "but what if he wants to stay?" issue becomes rather moot.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: frank black on August 17, 2020, 04:26:08 PM
Rumours from Brazil, Man City may hook him back.

Massive hole to fill if so.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2020, 05:06:21 PM
Yes would be an awful loss.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: CT on August 17, 2020, 05:15:29 PM
Yes would be an awful loss.

Not looking good. I admit to not knowing too much about the contract - Iíd assumed City had first dibs if we decided to sell, not the option to grad him back at any time.

Much as heís improved, I look at their midfield and donít see him starting in it very often. Not yet anyway.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2020, 05:32:03 PM
Yeah not great if it happens. Probably means we need to spend a lot more than 25m to get a player into that position so any Ďprofití is a bit of a moot point.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 17, 2020, 05:33:01 PM
Clickbait nonsense. They will still struggle with obtaining a work permit. £50 to H&V if Duggee goes to Man City.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: frank black on August 17, 2020, 05:38:50 PM
Clickbait nonsense. They will still struggle with obtaining a work permit. £50 to H&V if Duggee goes to Man City.

His own brother seems confident, nice donation
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2020, 05:39:35 PM
I think the fee in question and a decent wage increase probably overcome any work permit issues looking at the points criteria.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2020, 05:42:59 PM
Iím struggling to think of a reason why they wouldnít exercise the option given heís clearly worth a lot more than £25m now.

The only other thing that would possibly make more sense is them doing it next year when heís got another PL season under his belt and the risk of an injury or catastrophic loss of form has been reinsured. This is a very one sided arrangement but then he kept us up without costing us anything so weíve done OK I guess.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on August 17, 2020, 05:50:08 PM
Iím struggling to think of a reason why they wouldnít exercise the option given heís clearly worth a lot more than £25m now.

The only other thing that would possibly make more sense is them doing it next year when heís got another PL season under his belt and the risk of an injury or catastrophic loss of form has been reinsured. This is a very one sided arrangement but then he kept us up without costing us anything so weíve done OK I guess.

Well, except for the £15m we paid for him and £2m in wages...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2020, 05:55:19 PM
He might not go, I bloody hope he doesnít. But the work permit point wonít be an issue in stopping it happen.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2020, 06:05:06 PM
Iím struggling to think of a reason why they wouldnít exercise the option given heís clearly worth a lot more than £25m now.

The only other thing that would possibly make more sense is them doing it next year when heís got another PL season under his belt and the risk of an injury or catastrophic loss of form has been reinsured. This is a very one sided arrangement but then he kept us up without costing us anything so weíve done OK I guess.

Well, except for the £15m we paid for him and £2m in wages...

If they do buy him back this sumer we'll have been paid around 10-15m to have him for a year. Which is what I assume Mossman meant.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2020, 06:08:49 PM
Iím struggling to think of a reason why they wouldnít exercise the option given heís clearly worth a lot more than £25m now.

The only other thing that would possibly make more sense is them doing it next year when heís got another PL season under his belt and the risk of an injury or catastrophic loss of form has been reinsured. This is a very one sided arrangement but then he kept us up without costing us anything so weíve done OK I guess.

Well, except for the £15m we paid for him and £2m in wages...
Which we more than get back if they buy him for £25m.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: john2710 on August 17, 2020, 06:16:14 PM
He was great after the lockdown, but bang average beforehand.

He's played well in a dozen games for a struggling club. It's a huge leap from that to playing for Man City, even in the unlikely event that they select him.

Whatever happens, we can't control it but we need to have a contingency in the event that he goes.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 17, 2020, 06:17:57 PM
I keep hearing about the buy back clause and the possibility of City maybe buying him back to on sell.

One of the football podcasts was talking about the "defensive" midfield position at Citeh being one of the most demanding in the PL, that very few can do it properly and how they suffered through having to drop Fernandinho back to central defence and it being Rodri's first season here. Rather than sell him on maybe they think Doug can provide cover there.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kieron on August 17, 2020, 06:19:04 PM
"On Douglas Luiz: Manchester City have no plans to trigger the buyback this summer. Highly likely that #avfc will offer him a new contract ahead of the new season"

https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1295409313196974082
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2020, 06:23:51 PM
Interesting. I wonder how new contract/personal terms would interact with the buy back clause if at all? I would assume, possibly wrongly, that it would need to be bought out as part of any change to the existing contract.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 17, 2020, 06:39:01 PM
It was some random report on Twitter in Spain that started this rumour. Good news if Percy is right about Villa tying him to a new deal. He's usually pretty reliable with news....
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2020, 07:02:07 PM
"On Douglas Luiz: Manchester City have no plans to trigger the buyback this summer. Highly likely that #avfc will offer him a new contract ahead of the new season"

https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1295409313196974082


(https://media1.tenor.com/images/0d3c62a3185fb28137b7280b21ff1d4c/tenor.gif?itemid=7705463)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 17, 2020, 07:08:15 PM
Some of the arrogant city twats on there !
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2020, 07:08:56 PM
The zebra doing the running man is the greatest gif ever.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 17, 2020, 07:11:29 PM
The zebra doing the running man is the greatest gif ever.

The gif that keeps on giffing.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ian. on August 17, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
The zebra doing the running man is the greatest gif ever.

The gif that keeps on giffing.
Fab news and even better gif!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2020, 07:29:45 PM
"On Douglas Luiz: Manchester City have no plans to trigger the buyback this summer. Highly likely that #avfc will offer him a new contract ahead of the new season"

https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1295409313196974082

Hope thatís true.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 17, 2020, 07:31:49 PM
Some of the arrogant city twats on there !

*Arrogant ex-Chelsea twats
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: john e on August 17, 2020, 07:34:53 PM
Anyone know if Percyís been wrong on anything in the past ?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 17, 2020, 07:46:49 PM
"On Douglas Luiz: Manchester City have no plans to trigger the buyback this summer. Highly likely that #avfc will offer him a new contract ahead of the new season"

https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1295409313196974082


(https://media1.tenor.com/images/0d3c62a3185fb28137b7280b21ff1d4c/tenor.gif?itemid=7705463)

That Gif is a contender for GOAT !!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
I was under the impression the report originated in Brazil..
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2020, 08:03:53 PM
A few people several pages back mentioned the 5 subs rule made the transfer more likely. I thought the PL* voted not to continue that?

*I've just noticed that I share initials with the Premier League!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2020, 08:08:27 PM
A few people several pages back mentioned the 5 subs rule made the transfer more likely. I thought the PL* voted not to continue that?

*I've just noticed that I share initials with the Premier League!

The Premier League did vote that way, but that doesn't preclude Man City wanting him anyway I suppose.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2020, 08:09:35 PM
But the 5 subs rule isn't what will make it happen.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2020, 08:13:40 PM
But the 5 subs rule isn't what will make it happen.

No, I imagine them seeing how good he was post-lockdown is what will make it happen.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
Too true.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Gareth on August 17, 2020, 08:17:35 PM
Anyone know if Percyís been wrong on anything in the past ?

He is sure to have been wrong on some things but other than Avfc posting something he is as reliable as it gets....canít off head remember anything villa related that he has got wrong??

Iím finding  #avfc on Twitter a constant source of amusement this summer, the desperation of some for news is bizarre, a report on a website in Brazil that hardly any villa fan will of heard of an hour previously was made gospel immediately....49 days of the transfer window to go, some will completely combust
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Gareth on August 17, 2020, 08:18:46 PM
Some of the arrogant city twats on there !

*Arrogant ex-Chelsea twats

:-) the arrogance goes nicely with the gullibility of some of fan base
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 17, 2020, 08:24:15 PM
Not looking good. I admit to not knowing too much about the contract - Iíd assumed City had first dibs if we decided to sell, not the option to grad him back at any time.
Yes, I'd read it as Citeh having first dibs at point of sale rather than being able to trigger some sort of "Oi, we want him back" type clause.

The Zebra gif is the absolute best ever!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2020, 08:50:41 PM
Citeh can bid £25m to buy him back as per the terms of the buy back clause.  But that will probably create a bidding war.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 17, 2020, 08:57:45 PM
I was under the impression the report originated in Brazil..

If someone has a link I'll take a look. The last article I saw in O Globo (start of July) was that in isolation during quarantine, aside from keeping in shape, he used the time to improve his English
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 17, 2020, 09:03:54 PM
The Zebra gif is the absolute best ever!!

Yes, it's brilliant, featuring footage I believe from CDBWF's party when we stayed up. :)

Up there with this post from joe_c


Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2020, 10:06:15 PM
In case anyone is interested, it's known as Dope Zebra amd tis was the video it was in

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2020, 11:24:57 PM
Anyone know if Percyís been wrong on anything in the past ?
Yes totally wrong once when he said "olaftab is not the best poster on H&V and he will never be good enough to post on TBAR".
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2020, 11:37:44 PM
Anyone know if Percyís been wrong on anything in the past ?
Yes totally wrong once when he said "olaftab is not the best poster on H&V and he will never be good enough to post on TBAR".

40 years and he still can't see Weller is a twat. Avoid.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 18, 2020, 06:55:43 PM
Just posted a "❤ My House" on Instagram in Birmingham. Did he just find a new house???
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2020, 06:55:49 PM
Citeh can bid £25m to buy him back as per the terms of the buy back clause.  But that will probably create a bidding war.
No it wouldnít.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kieron on August 18, 2020, 06:56:52 PM
Just posted a "❤ My House" on Instagram in Birmingham. Did he just find a new house???

No, he lives in the Orion building.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 18, 2020, 06:57:31 PM
Just posted a "❤ My House" on Instagram in Birmingham. Did he just find a new house???

No, he lives in the Orion building.
So that picture is from that building?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kieron on August 18, 2020, 07:00:16 PM
Yes, penthouse type views. A few players have been in there over the years.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 18, 2020, 07:02:00 PM
Yes, penthouse type views. A few players have been in there over the years.
Thanks - grasping for straws here. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 18, 2020, 07:19:36 PM
Citeh can bid £25m to buy him back as per the terms of the buy back clause.  But that will probably create a bidding war.
No it wouldnít.

If youíre sure?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2020, 07:43:58 PM
Yes, penthouse type views. A few players have been in there over the years.
Thanks - grasping for straws here. 

I dont think he posted it, someone else tagged him
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2020, 08:17:52 PM
 Seems to be his post?  (https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1295780831160664064?s=19)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2020, 08:49:11 PM
Seems to be his post?  (https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1295780831160664064?s=19)

That's a post by villareport.

Look at Luiz's instagram, nothing like that there.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 18, 2020, 08:50:28 PM
Citeh can bid £25m to buy him back as per the terms of the buy back clause.  But that will probably create a bidding war.
No it wouldnít.

If youíre sure?

I think you're onto something there.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 18, 2020, 08:52:50 PM
Seems to be his post?  (https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1295780831160664064?s=19)

That's a post by villareport.

Look at Luiz's instagram, nothing like that there.

There is mate. It's in his Stories, I'm looking at it right now:


(https://i.ibb.co/dmfSLmv/Screenshot-20200818-205144.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dmfSLmv)
Clicky
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2020, 08:54:49 PM
you are all eastie
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2020, 09:03:04 PM
With pics like those Luiz can make Brum sexy again(?). Get the local tourist board on-board, give him a fee and improve his Villa contract. He'll be well looked after, no need to leave.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on August 18, 2020, 09:06:55 PM
you are all eastie

Yes, I was thinking that too!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 18, 2020, 09:07:52 PM
Go on then  Who or what is eastie?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 18, 2020, 09:09:53 PM
Oh come on!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on August 18, 2020, 09:11:24 PM
Go on then  Who or what is eastie?

A former poster on here who had an obsession with where players lived, who they lived with, what their kids were called and where they went on holiday. It was weird and came across as very stalker-ish behaviour.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 18, 2020, 09:16:27 PM
Oh, right
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
What does the inside of Dougie's wardrobe smell like? I bet its pine. Its pine isn't it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 18, 2020, 09:34:39 PM
Met him a turtle bay recently and heís a
Charming Man.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 18, 2020, 09:48:52 PM
There is mate. It's in his Stories, I'm looking at it right now:

Clearly fake, he's wearing Off-White flip flops not Havaianas. ;)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 18, 2020, 09:55:31 PM
There is mate. It's in his Stories, I'm looking at it right now:

Clearly fake, he's wearing Off-White flip flops not Havaianas. ;)

Tut tut, he didn't get the memo about signing up to the Henri Lansbury Personal Shopper Service when he joined us then
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 18, 2020, 09:59:06 PM
Is the Duggee photo a message to Rashica or sumfin?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 18, 2020, 10:31:00 PM
You misheard, it was taken with a Yashica.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 18, 2020, 10:33:16 PM
You misheard, it was taken with a Yashica.

Ah!  This bloody hearing aid!!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 18, 2020, 11:01:06 PM
On his story.  ;) hate to explain it on here - would make me look younger than most of you
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2020, 11:01:26 PM
There is mate. It's in his Stories, I'm looking at it right now:

Clearly fake, he's wearing Off-White flip flops not Havaianas. ;)

Bi-metal Rolex Datejust as well, the poor sod.  That's not even hard to get hold of.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 18, 2020, 11:06:12 PM
There is mate. It's in his Stories, I'm looking at it right now:

Clearly fake, he's wearing Off-White flip flops not Havaianas. ;)

Bi-metal Rolex Datejust as well, the poor sod.  That's not even hard to get hold of.
Damn, you able to see that? Couldn't even zoom on his stories.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 19, 2020, 12:20:05 AM
Met him a turtle bay recently and heís a
Charming Man.

Was trying to work out if that was a clever smiths reference, but given Mozís mouth these days glad itís not having googled.

So what seems positive news from Percy and a penthouse pic, will have to satisfy my yearnings for a new signing today. Keeping Hey Duggee and Our Jack would it seems be our most important business as a starting point, providing we can bring in the talent around them.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2020, 12:22:52 AM
Jack, Dougie and McGinn is an excellent midfield. If we could just add a little more than 6 goals up top and more pace outwide, we'll be well clear of the relegation zone.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 19, 2020, 06:53:06 AM
Jack, Dougie and McGinn is an excellent midfield. If we could just add a little more than 6 goals up top and more pace outwide, we'll be well clear of the relegation zone.
Well, and some decent cover (which goes beyond having Ange on the bench) for the inevitable injuries to our midfielders.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: dave17 on August 19, 2020, 07:11:15 AM
Jack, Dougie and McGinn is an excellent midfield. If we could just add a little more than 6 goals up top and more pace outwide, we'll be well clear of the relegation zone.
Well, and some decent cover (which goes beyond having Ange on the bench) for the inevitable injuries to our midfielders.
drinkwater?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 19, 2020, 08:11:32 AM
Jack, Dougie and McGinn is an excellent midfield. If we could just add a little more than 6 goals up top and more pace outwide, we'll be well clear of the relegation zone.
Well, and some decent cover (which goes beyond having Ange on the bench) for the inevitable injuries to our midfielders.
drinkwater?

I appreciate the sentiment but I think it'll take more than that for the midfielders to avoid injury
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 19, 2020, 08:51:08 AM
Jack, Dougie and McGinn is an excellent midfield. If we could just add a little more than 6 goals up top and more pace outwide, we'll be well clear of the relegation zone.
Well, and some decent cover (which goes beyond having Ange on the bench) for the inevitable injuries to our midfielders.
drinkwater?

I appreciate the sentiment but I think it'll take more than that for the midfielders to avoid injury

It's not a role that requires the drinking of water either, more the carrying.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: dicedlam on August 19, 2020, 09:35:30 AM
It looks like the bac
Seems to be his post?  (https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1295780831160664064?s=19)

That's a post by villareport.

Look at Luiz's instagram, nothing like that there.

There is mate. It's in his stories, I'm looking at it right now:


(https://i.ibb.co/dmfSLmv/Screenshot-20200818-205144.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dmfSLmv)
Clicky

Haha, Birmingham-on-Sea

It looks like the Salford Park Res and Lickey Hills have been airbrushed into the photo ;)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 19, 2020, 11:34:52 AM
Haha, Birmingham-on-Sea

Ha, I noticed that. There's probably a host of Brazilians who now think Birmingham is on the ocean and the UK equivalent of Rio or Salvador. :)
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2020, 01:14:12 PM
Where?  The left of the picture is the roof of the cube.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 19, 2020, 01:27:23 PM
This thread has a whiff of 'Lerner's Jet' about it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on August 19, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
Where?  The left of the picture is the roof of the cube.
It clearly is.  You can also see the block pattern of the cladding in the pic.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2020, 01:52:43 PM
We're all Eastie now!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2020, 02:00:39 PM
If you zoom in, you can just make out Eastie's telephoto lens on the roof opposite.  He's surrounded by binbags with the contents of Luiz's rubbish chute in them.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 19, 2020, 03:00:36 PM
If you zoom in, you can just make out Eastie's telephoto lens on the roof opposite.  He's surrounded by binbags with the contents of Luiz's rubbish chute in them.

I thought it was danlanza, with the light bouncing off his tin foil hat.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2020, 03:14:44 PM
If you zoom in, you can just make out Eastie's telephoto lens on the roof opposite.  He's surrounded by binbags with the contents of Luiz's rubbish chute in them.

I thought it was danlanza, with the light bouncing off his tin foil hat.

No chance. Danlanza got abducted by aliens before the Chelsea game, never to be seen again.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 19, 2020, 03:59:41 PM
If you zoom in, you can just make out Eastie's telephoto lens on the roof opposite.  He's surrounded by binbags with the contents of Luiz's rubbish chute in them.

I thought it was danlanza, with the light bouncing off his tin foil hat.

Dan is sifting through the long hairs in the pool filter whilst shaving his balls :winky thing:
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2020, 04:15:12 PM
What happened to Dan? I remember some moon landing discussion.

I remember Eastie's demise.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 19, 2020, 04:19:19 PM
What happened to Dan? I remember some moon landing discussion.

I remember Eastie's demise.

Didn't they all huff off together to TBAR?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2020, 04:23:09 PM
With Fergal and IrishVillain I think. They were harmless enough. Wonder what happened to Fergal's hamster that he named Nobby, after Nolberto Solano.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 19, 2020, 04:30:04 PM
With Fergal and IrishVillain I think. They were harmless enough. Wonder what happened to Fergal's hamster that he named Nobby, after Nolberto Solano.

It had a crippling coke habit and left him penniless. It's him that's going through the rubbish that Risso spotted.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 20, 2020, 03:05:40 PM
Doesn't seem to be training with the rest. Worried
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
Is he training at Man City? If not then why worry?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 20, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
The Villa hierarchy might be taking additional precautions for anyone returning from a country that's not green listed. Brazil has 3.5m cases of Covid so we might be giving him a few more days before letting him near Bodymoor.

All players are being tested of course, I just reckon he's only flown in on Sunday/Monday and don't think the club is likely to take any chances.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2020, 03:30:52 PM
So Wesley and Luiz were back in Brazil. They are in self isolation until cleared to rejoin the squad. Apparently.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 21, 2020, 12:53:48 AM
Wesley is still in Brazil unfortunately.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on August 21, 2020, 11:38:16 AM
Wesley's a bit of a different case presumably because he's still rehabilitating.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: DB on August 21, 2020, 12:04:21 PM
Wesley's a bit of a different case presumably because he's still rehabilitating.

And practising his control, passing and positional awareness I hope.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: placeforparks on August 21, 2020, 02:46:50 PM
Doesn't seem to be training with the rest. Worried

anyone returning to the uk from brazil has to self-isolate for 14 days. don't worry!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on August 21, 2020, 04:50:36 PM
Liverpool have been given permission to continue a pre-season training camp in Austria without needing to quarantine when they come back.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 21, 2020, 08:28:16 PM
Liverpool have been given permission to continue a pre-season training camp in Austria without needing to quarantine when they come back.

Are they immune to diseases?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2020, 08:35:20 PM
Liverpool have been given permission to continue a pre-season training camp in Austria without needing to quarantine when they come back.

I read the first 6 words of this and panicked!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on August 21, 2020, 09:59:10 PM
Liverpool have been given permission to continue a pre-season training camp in Austria without needing to quarantine when they come back.

I read the first 6 words of this and panicked!

Sorry :)

No, it was more a comment about how footballers are being given special dispensations that most aren't.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 05, 2020, 11:00:06 AM
Cool,  he just did some sponser thing on insta. Watch the story here
https://instagram.com/433?igshid=te1dnxvhaykm

Probably will only be there a few hours
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on September 05, 2020, 11:21:19 AM
Is he back in the country yet?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 05, 2020, 11:22:58 AM
He played against Wycombe last Saturday.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on September 05, 2020, 11:28:13 AM
He played against Wycombe last Saturday.

Did he?  I honestly missed that. Oops.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: pooligan on September 05, 2020, 06:49:36 PM
Just been reading that Douglas Luiz scored against Arsenal today along with two from Jacob Ramsey in a 3-2 win at the Emirates Not bad considering we were without Grealish Mings McGinn and Hourihane
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on September 05, 2020, 06:53:26 PM
Just been reading that Douglas Luiz scored against Arsenal today along with two from Jacob Ramsey in a 3-2 win at the Emirates Not bad considering we were without Grealish Mings McGinn and Hourihane

I find myself wondering if the reason we've not been linked to midfielders is that Ramsey is looking like forcing his way into the mix.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on September 05, 2020, 07:09:44 PM
Good if he is. If we believe a player is ready, we shouldn't be blocking his path. They need their chance.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on September 05, 2020, 08:50:40 PM
Yeah that would be great.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Uknowthescore on September 05, 2020, 10:31:30 PM
Just been reading that Douglas Luiz scored against Arsenal today along with two from Jacob Ramsey in a 3-2 win at the Emirates Not bad considering we were without Grealish Mings McGinn and Hourihane

Itís pre season where we sometines lose too Walsall. Donít get ya hopes up too much
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: eamonn on September 06, 2020, 12:19:18 AM
We played Arsenal today? Any highlights?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on September 06, 2020, 12:55:09 AM
https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/aubameyang-scores-twice-ozil-features-as-arsenal-suffer-friendly-/amb3pojvk3in15u54hodlfmi5

Doug got our first goal 👍
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 06, 2020, 01:37:40 AM
Just moving it on to the next page as every time I've clicked on this thread recently the first thing I see is "Liverpool have been given permission to.." which is causing palpitations.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Mister E on September 06, 2020, 07:24:00 AM
https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/aubameyang-scores-twice-ozil-features-as-arsenal-suffer-friendly-/amb3pojvk3in15u54hodlfmi5

Doug got our first goal 👍
I love this comment: "The defeat will be no major concern to Arteta, who was missing several key men due to international duty."
So, Villa had a full-strength team out?! - I think not!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: dave17 on September 06, 2020, 07:30:10 AM
https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/aubameyang-scores-twice-ozil-features-as-arsenal-suffer-friendly-/amb3pojvk3in15u54hodlfmi5

Doug got our first goal 👍
I love this comment: "The defeat will be no major concern to Arteta, who was missing several key men due to international duty."
So, Villa had a full-strength team out?! - I think not!
we are his bogey team.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on September 06, 2020, 12:44:54 PM
Just moving it on to the next page as every time I've clicked on this thread recently the first thing I see is "Liverpool have been given permission to.." which is causing palpitations.

Yeah, I'm glad we're on the next page now.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ads on September 06, 2020, 12:46:17 PM
He put a bit of a dsy in the life of Dougie up on Instagram or Twitter or both. Drivers an Aventador. Not bad.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 18, 2020, 06:39:42 PM
One of our best players called up by Brazil again. Well done Dougy
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 18, 2020, 07:16:34 PM
Doug is going to be a superstar.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Singapore Villa on September 19, 2020, 04:31:07 AM

Doug is going to be big for the Villa this season!

UTV
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 20, 2020, 03:13:38 PM
I love this bloke. Heís going be such an influential player for us. And if what Percy said is true from a couple of weeks back that we are working on a new deal then it could be every bit as critical for us as Jack staying.

https://twitter.com/433/status/1307653357608239104?s=21
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: DrGonzo on September 20, 2020, 03:36:14 PM
Whatsisface that manages Citeh did say he had the potential to be the best midfielder in Europe. I think that may be over egging the pudding but you can certainly see the class inherent in Dougal that led to the comment.  He oozes comfort when he is on his game, a player with the mythical yard of space in his head.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on September 20, 2020, 06:42:14 PM
Could become the best we've had since Petrov.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 20, 2020, 06:57:51 PM
He actually looks like he's a Brazilian footballer. Socrates II.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2020, 03:01:59 PM
I've been quietly impressed with Dougie this season.  He hasn't caught the eye with his forward runs like he did after lockdown last season, but then with our new found attacking intent, he doesn't need to.  I think he's been told to sit, tidy up in front of the back 4, and feed the likes of SJM, Grealish and Watkins.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2020, 03:43:29 PM
I've been quietly impressed with Dougie this season.  He hasn't caught the eye with his forward runs like he did after lockdown last season, but then with our new found attacking intent, he doesn't need to.  I think he's been told to sit, tidy up in front of the back 4, and feed the likes of SJM, Grealish and Watkins.

He bossed last night, for all of the goals and chances I thought we just massacred them in the middle of the pitch.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 05, 2020, 03:48:20 PM
He has been superb.  He's an absolutely fantastic player and our upturn in fortunes since lockdown are in no small part because his improved form.  I really hope that we can buy out that buy back clause before he gets much better.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2020, 03:51:41 PM
Top class.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ian. on October 05, 2020, 04:22:18 PM
He's really matured into his role with us. He always showed he was capable but I think it took him time to adjust to the tempo here. He's been fantastic for quite a while now.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 05, 2020, 04:41:39 PM
Still only 22 and has started less than 50 league games in his career. His potential is something else.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: stevo_st on October 05, 2020, 05:19:49 PM
Are we still at risk of Man City taking him back?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on October 05, 2020, 05:54:04 PM
He's really matured into his role with us. He always showed he was capable but I think it took him time to adjust to the tempo here. He's been fantastic for quite a while now.
He didn't have a pre season with us last year either
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2020, 06:58:33 PM
Are we still at risk of Man City taking him back?

Almost certainly they will next summer.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Ian. on October 05, 2020, 07:13:27 PM
Are we still at risk of Man City taking him back?

Almost certainly they will next summer.
So next summer we may have to replace him and Barkley? Thatís going to be big boots to fill.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2020, 08:57:38 PM
Are we still at risk of Man City taking him back?

Almost certainly they will next summer.

He might not want to go. Pep will be gone by then and Sam Allardyce will be in charge so it might not suit his game.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 05, 2020, 09:02:32 PM
Are we still at risk of Man City taking him back?

Almost certainly they will next summer.

I read somewhere that if he signs a new contract at Villa (with a hefty pay-rise no doubt) the buy-back clause with Man City is erased.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2020, 09:04:37 PM
Are we still at risk of Man City taking him back?

Almost certainly they will next summer.

I read somewhere that if he signs a new contract at Villa (with a hefty pay-rise no doubt) the buy-back clause with Man City is erased.

We could send them Lansbury and call it quits.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 05, 2020, 09:22:49 PM
Are we still at risk of Man City taking him back?

Almost certainly they will next summer.

I read somewhere that if he signs a new contract at Villa (with a hefty pay-rise no doubt) the buy-back clause with Man City is erased.

Interesting, I'd always assumed that the contract for the sale of the player, and the players own employment contract would be two completely different legal documents.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 05, 2020, 09:24:31 PM
Why would he want to step down a level?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 05, 2020, 09:28:42 PM
Are we still at risk of Man City taking him back?

Almost certainly they will next summer.

I read somewhere that if he signs a new contract at Villa (with a hefty pay-rise no doubt) the buy-back clause with Man City is erased.

Interesting, I'd always assumed that the contract for the sale of the player, and the players own employment contract would be two completely different legal documents.

They would be. I don't see how him agreeing a new contract would affect the deal that was agreed with Man City.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 05, 2020, 09:31:34 PM
A lot may depend on how much we push on this year and more importantly the player himself. If he's in the Brazil squad he may not want to risk sitting on Citeh's bench the season before a World Cup.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: danno on October 05, 2020, 09:33:06 PM
I've a feeling ( probably just naive optimism ) that Man City will let us buyout the clause, because they'll have signed other players and need to appease ffp.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 05, 2020, 09:34:29 PM
Pretty sure that the only way the clause is removed is if Man City agree to it. Or it expires obviously.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: rooboy316 on October 06, 2020, 12:36:33 AM
He has a real knack of being in the right spot to nip the ball away or block passes. He's no midfield destroyer in terms of big tackles, but boy does he make a difference in breaking up play.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 06, 2020, 04:46:25 AM
Are we still at risk of Man City taking him back?

Almost certainly they will next summer.

I read somewhere that if he signs a new contract at Villa (with a hefty pay-rise no doubt) the buy-back clause with Man City is erased.

John Percy mentioned a while back we were working on three new contracts; Mings, McGinn and Luiz. With two of the three done, I imagine the last of those is the most complex.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: onje_villa on October 06, 2020, 10:43:41 AM
Might be just me but I'm still not completely convinced. Certainly has great technique but not sure he's physical (or mobile) enough to provide strong cover in defensive midfield? It would be nice to have the option of a really physical DM, I suppose that's Nakamba though...
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2020, 10:46:58 AM
Might be just me but I'm still not completely convinced. Certainly has great technique but not sure he's physical (or mobile) enough to provide strong cover in defensive midfield? It would be nice to have the option of a really physical DM, I suppose that's Nakamba though...

You're maybe right on the physical side, but I think his game is based more on swift interceptions than blood and thunder tackling.  I think you're wrong on the mobility side though, he showed back end of last season he's very mobile in my opinion.  I think this season he's just been told to rein it in a bit, as we've got lot of attacking midfielders more than happy to surge forward.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 06, 2020, 10:47:12 AM
I was going to say that he's good, but is he man citeh 'good'. However, the way things have gone so far, come the end of the season the question might just be "yeah, but is he Aston Villa 'good'?"
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: frank black on October 06, 2020, 11:05:52 AM
I've a feeling ( probably just naive optimism ) that Man City will let us buyout the clause, because they'll have signed other players and need to appease ffp.

We could be in the strange situation where they donít want him back, but exercise the clause just to sell him on. Or they effectively sell him again to us by asking us to pay off the clause... The players contract would be irrelevant in respect to the buy back clause, I expect.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Yeltzer on October 06, 2020, 11:41:11 AM
I've a feeling ( probably just naive optimism ) that Man City will let us buyout the clause, because they'll have signed other players and need to appease ffp.

We could be in the strange situation where they donít want him back, but exercise the clause just to sell him on. Or they effectively sell him again to us by asking us to pay off the clause... The players contract would be irrelevant in respect to the buy back clause, I expect.

I was just thinking the same. Canít see a new contract for Dougie gazumping the option Man City have. Otherwise weíd have just given him a new contract on Day 1 when he signed
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 10, 2020, 12:43:56 AM
Starts in the WC Qualifier at home to Bolivia, kick off 0130 our time.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 10, 2020, 01:13:26 AM
Something for the weekend
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 10, 2020, 01:28:20 AM
Yessss. Since I got divorced from my ex Brazilian,  I have loved Brasil,  and now we have a starting player in a competitive game. UTV
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 10, 2020, 01:31:59 AM
SPTV2 for those who have access :)*
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 10, 2020, 01:50:01 AM
Annoyed that he is the player going back on corners.  It takes him out of the equation to hit a screamer from the set play
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 10, 2020, 02:10:11 AM
Commentators has been saying Douglas Luiz more than any other players
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 10, 2020, 03:03:44 AM
Not subbed. And not put a foot wrong so far.  Seems to have harmony with neymar
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 10, 2020, 03:08:55 AM
Second set of sub, still on
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 10, 2020, 03:26:04 AM
Full game,  no fault
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 10, 2020, 05:14:18 AM
Who won?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: JD on October 10, 2020, 07:26:00 AM
Who won?

Brazil won 5-0
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 10, 2020, 09:02:01 AM
I wonder if we could offer to buy him permanently off Man City? If not this season than next Summer maybe.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 10, 2020, 09:14:34 AM
do you mean negotiate the buy-back clause out of his contract?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: rooboy316 on October 10, 2020, 10:40:13 AM
Did he play a similar role in midfield as he does for us?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 10, 2020, 10:44:19 AM
88 successful passes (more than anyone else), 95% success rate. Next up Peru away on Tuesday night (Wednesday 1am UK time).
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 10, 2020, 10:50:40 AM
Did he play a similar role in midfield as he does for us?

Looked like Casemiro was in the deep midfield role and Douglas was in more of a McGinn position.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 10, 2020, 11:01:24 AM
Can someone provide a recap on the visa situation?  Didnít he receive qualifying points because he was in our top X% earners (not so at Man City).  Isnít international recognition also a qualifying criteria?

If so, surely him play in for Brazil is a bad thing as itíll make it easier for him to get a Working visa at Man City.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 10, 2020, 11:01:36 AM
Did he play a similar role in midfield as he does for us?

Looked like Casemiro was in the deep midfield role and Douglas was in more of a McGinn position.
First 20-30 min sat front of defenders,  then started move forward and him and Casimiro spreaded wide
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: algy on October 10, 2020, 11:46:07 AM
88 successful passes (more than anyone else), 95% success rate. Next up Peru away on Tuesday night (Wednesday 1am UK time).
Ah that old chestnut - yeah, he looks good against Liverpool at home, but can he do it on a rainy Tuesday night in Lima?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 10, 2020, 11:50:42 AM
Thanks for the commentary Edvard.

Duggee is a class act.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: rooboy316 on October 10, 2020, 12:03:00 PM
Did he play a similar role in midfield as he does for us?

Looked like Casemiro was in the deep midfield role and Douglas was in more of a McGinn position.
First 20-30 min sat front of defenders,  then started move forward and him and Casimiro spreaded wide

Thanks. I reckon he's actually most suited to a McGinn role in terms of his attributes. Just so happens we have someone in the McGinn role already.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 10, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
The beauty of the game last night, he was always available for a pass. Totally different game to the Villa. I would say last night was a much easier task - so you can imagine what he does for us, but without pressure. (explains why it takes a year for a latin player to adapt to europe game). If he performs for Villa, he will always deliver for Brasil. Asked my friends in Brasil what they thought, all gave a huge thumbs up, as did I.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 10, 2020, 02:57:31 PM
Folha de Sao Paulo pictured him in their report and said that on his debut he played like he belonged there.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 10, 2020, 11:14:44 PM
88 successful passes (more than anyone else), 95% success rate. Next up Peru away on Tuesday night (Wednesday 1am UK time).

Good at least the Leicester game been put back nearly 30 hours so he has more time to recover from his race across the world!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: tony_harrison on October 14, 2020, 08:01:24 AM
Played the full 90 again last night versus Peru. Solid performance too by all accounts. Never thought I'd see a Villa player as a Brazil regular!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 14, 2020, 08:52:15 AM
Another appearance for Brazil last night. I fear its becoming more inevitable that he'll go back to Money City.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on October 14, 2020, 12:49:34 PM
Another appearance for Brazil last night. I fear its becoming more inevitable that he'll go back to Money City.

I fear youíre right, unless we can somehow buy out the buy back clause. Iím sure itís possible but very complicated. We also donít know Cityís stance. It would appear that Pep is a fan of Douglas but he might not be there next season anyway.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 14, 2020, 12:57:17 PM
I've just watched his press conference when he arrived with the national team, he's got his head firmly on his shoulders and I think he realises he's still got a long way to go. He was asked about Citeh but said he hasn't spoken with Pep and is just focusing on working hard with us. He also mentioned how the break gave him time to reflect on his game and how he got himself fitter and stronger. I really like the lad.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 14, 2020, 01:20:12 PM
Another appearance for Brazil last night. I fear its becoming more inevitable that he'll go back to Money City.

I fear youíre right, unless we can somehow buy out the buy back clause. Iím sure itís possible but very complicated. We also donít know Cityís stance. It would appear that Pep is a fan of Douglas but he might not be there next season anyway.

I think there's only two things that can happen.  Man City buy him back for the agreed amount, and then play him in their first team.  Or, as he's almost certainly worth a lot more than his buyout figure, they buy him back then sell him on.  At that point, I guess if he wanted to stay with us, we just pay them the difference between the buyout fee and the new market value if we want to keep him.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 14, 2020, 01:21:29 PM
Another appearance for Brazil last night. I fear its becoming more inevitable that he'll go back to Money City.

I fear youíre right, unless we can somehow buy out the buy back clause. Iím sure itís possible but very complicated. We also donít know Cityís stance. It would appear that Pep is a fan of Douglas but he might not be there next season anyway.

I think there's only two things that can happen.  Man City buy him back for the agreed amount, and then play him in their first team.  Or, as he's almost certainly worth a lot more than his buyout figure, they buy him back then sell him on.  At that point, I guess if he wanted to stay with us, we just pay them the difference between the buyout fee and the new market value if we want to keep him.

Yep thatís how I see it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on October 14, 2020, 01:49:50 PM
I have wondered for a while whether he has any real say in the matter, ie. can he say no to City and stay at Villa ? Would love to think he buys in to our owners vision and sees he can reach the same end-point whilst playing first-team footie continuously with us.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 14, 2020, 01:58:35 PM
I have wondered for a while whether he has any real say in the matter, ie. can he say no to City and stay at Villa ? Would love to think he buys in to our owners vision and sees he can reach the same end-point whilst playing first-team footie continuously with us.

He can make his feelings known I guess, but other than going on strike there wouldn't be much he could do about it, having being one of the three parties to sign the original deal.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 14, 2020, 02:06:27 PM
I have wondered for a while whether he has any real say in the matter, ie. can he say no to City and stay at Villa ? Would love to think he buys in to our owners vision and sees he can reach the same end-point whilst playing first-team footie continuously with us.

He can make his feelings known I guess, but other than going on strike there wouldn't be much he could do about it, having being one of the three parties to sign the original deal.
He could refuse to sign for another club if they seek to sell him on, but to be honest if its a club prepared to spend the sort of money it would take to make the excercise worthwhile for City then it's likely to be a decent club.

I'd hope we can just do somenthing like offer City £15m to delete the clause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 14, 2020, 02:12:04 PM
How would buying him back and then selling him on actually work though? Can you buy a player and sell them in the same window? I know you can buy them and loan them out (other than as a contract clause loaning back to the selling club for a fixed time) in the same window but I've never looked into buying and selling on.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: algy on October 14, 2020, 03:28:29 PM
I have wondered for a while whether he has any real say in the matter, ie. can he say no to City and stay at Villa ? Would love to think he buys in to our owners vision and sees he can reach the same end-point whilst playing first-team footie continuously with us.

He can make his feelings known I guess, but other than going on strike there wouldn't be much he could do about it, having being one of the three parties to sign the original deal.
Wouldn't he have to sign a contract, agree wages, etc. with them, though?  Otherwise they could offer him a zero hours, minimum wage contract and he'd still have to accept it.

I'd have thought Manchester City have the right to offer what we'd agreed to and begin negotiations, but am very skeptical about the idea that they can just take him back without him having any say in the matter.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 14, 2020, 04:29:30 PM
I have wondered for a while whether he has any real say in the matter, ie. can he say no to City and stay at Villa ? Would love to think he buys in to our owners vision and sees he can reach the same end-point whilst playing first-team footie continuously with us.

He can make his feelings known I guess, but other than going on strike there wouldn't be much he could do about it, having being one of the three parties to sign the original deal.
Wouldn't he have to sign a contract, agree wages, etc. with them, though?  Otherwise they could offer him a zero hours, minimum wage contract and he'd still have to accept it.

I'd have thought Manchester City have the right to offer what we'd agreed to and begin negotiations, but am very skeptical about the idea that they can just take him back without him having any say in the matter.

The contract is already included as part of the deal. The bit I don't quite get, along with the post above, is what impact the deal has on us giving him a new deal. If, for example, the buy back contract puts him on £40kpw and we offer him £60kpw as a new deal what happens next? Do we need Man City to approve that and alter their potential contract with him or can they force him to take a pay cut?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 14, 2020, 06:02:57 PM
We could buy out the buy out clause, then put a buyout clause in his contract, then create a bidding war once someone has met the buyout clause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 14, 2020, 07:00:00 PM
I assume his wages will be renegotiated with us if the deadline passes for Man City to buy him back.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 14, 2020, 08:20:03 PM
I assume his wages will be renegotiated with us if the deadline passes for Man City to buy him back.

Dunno, there was talk about us starting talks with him a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 14, 2020, 08:24:39 PM
We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 14, 2020, 08:59:29 PM
How long was his initial contract?  Heíll be at the end of year two this summer so on a four year deal his value may start to drop.

We should try remove the clause and offer him a longer deal this January.  It will be a wise investment I think.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on October 14, 2020, 09:18:56 PM
Not claiming to be ITK, though I assume that the option that Citeh have is something that has to:
1. expire after a defined period
2. be exercised or given up by them, or
3. be bought out by us, i.e. we pay them a fee and they agree to give up the option

If we offer him a new deal, I would suspect that is a sufficiently material change to necessitate 3 above.

He's a very good player and one only likely to get better. I hope that progress is at the Villa.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 14, 2020, 09:23:03 PM
The buy back clause is for 2 years.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on October 14, 2020, 09:24:26 PM
Thanks PWS
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 14, 2020, 11:31:37 PM
We could buy out the buy out clause, then put a buyout clause in his contract, then create a bidding war once someone has met the buyout clause.

We should do all that, with a war chest.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on October 15, 2020, 08:08:05 AM
We could buy out the buy out clause, then put a buyout clause in his contract, then create a bidding war once someone has met the buyout clause.

We should do all that, with a war chest.

But what if we got into a bidding war with Citeh over it?  I think we should start preparing our bid straight away.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: rooboy316 on October 15, 2020, 10:20:57 AM
I think we will have more success if we prepare to lob the bid.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 22, 2020, 03:19:45 PM
Popped into the Villa shop today and all Douglas luis cousins were there and buying half the shop :)   mind no idea what fitted them as everything seemed XXL size to me in there. Sort it out Villa.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on November 10, 2020, 07:49:15 AM
Think this deserves a mention as havenít seen it elsewhere but that ball to Barkley for the second goal was superb. If KdB had done it we wouldnít have heard the end of it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on November 10, 2020, 08:02:40 AM
.not sure if I was alone but on was watch of the match I thought he was MOTM. Does a lot without being noticed. He's going to be an incredibly good player in a few years time.lets hope we can make and impression and convince he he can winthings here whilst still young.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on November 15, 2020, 08:33:36 AM
I see reports popping up saying Pep might move for Douglas in January? Not sure how reliable these are, but worrying as we certainly don't want lose him then. This deal is so skewed in City's favour. Perhaps we can offer him a new mega-bucks deal? Try and eliminate the buy-back clause.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on November 15, 2020, 08:58:57 AM
I thought that if they offered the 25m to activate the buy back that was it - we had no say in it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: frank black on November 15, 2020, 09:26:45 AM
From my limited knowledge, Iíd imagine the buy back is something for the summers rather than January (weíd be stupid leaving that door open).

We need to have a replacement list ready and lined up because this glorified loan is ending in the summer.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on November 15, 2020, 09:29:08 AM
Skewed as in we got a player out of our league that was integral to us staying up, or skewed that we make a profit on him, or skewed that that profit increases each year? I think we, and Douglas, have done really well out of the deal.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: olaftab on November 15, 2020, 09:30:31 AM
Luiz is nowhere near good enough for City. Pep needs a £100M  midfielder for  his team. There is no need for him to waste his time and money on an inadequate player.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on November 15, 2020, 10:31:36 AM
What about the player? Doug might well want to stay as he's guaranteed to start every game. If we finish top six that could help surely?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2020, 10:46:58 AM
I see reports popping up saying Pep might move for Douglas in January? Not sure how reliable these are, but worrying as we certainly don't want lose him then. This deal is so skewed in City's favour. Perhaps we can offer him a new mega-bucks deal? Try and eliminate the buy-back clause.

We can't do that without Man City's agreement.  If they want him back in the summer, off he'll go.  If they don't, then we're going to have to stump up more cash for him to make it permanent, as otherwise they can just pay the buy back fee, and then probably sell him for double that to somebody else.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Pat Mustard on November 15, 2020, 10:58:11 AM
When was it reported that the buy-back clause is a matter of fact? Lots of people seem to quote it, but as far as I can recall this was all just press speculation and there is nothing concrete to say it even exists, much less what figure it might be.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2020, 11:09:12 AM

When was it reported that the buy-back clause is a matter of fact? Lots of people seem to quote it, but as far as I can recall this was all just press speculation and there is nothing concrete to say it even exists, much less what figure it might be.


Some direct quotes from Guardiola:


"He would be here if a work permit were possible if the Premier League said it would be possible but now he is at Aston Villa," he said.


"We have an option to get him back but sometimes life is like this. We wanted him because last season we had problems in that position because we didnít buy a holding midfielder.


"We wanted him before so we thought about it but the rules with the work permit meant it was not possible. I thought he would be here with the pre-season he played last year in the States, he was really good. I think he had the quality to play with us but he could not do it.


"The talent is always there, weíll see at the end of the season what his level is but the quality is always there."
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 15, 2020, 11:48:12 AM
I must admit I thought £25m was last summerís price and it was £30-something now.
Iíd say £30m is probably his market value at the moment (With the potential to go much higher) so we are hardly having our pants pulled down.

Ideally we should buy out the clause as the uncertainty is not ideal.

Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: fredm on November 15, 2020, 12:12:55 PM
I am sure that with the way the current owners are conducting the way the club is run and their link up with Smith and Purslow, that the Luiz situation is kept permanently under review as to what is the best way forward for Aston Villa. If it is decided that Smith wants him here permanently then discussions will be held with City, but ultimately they would appear to hold the cards at this moment in time.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on November 15, 2020, 12:26:53 PM
City strike me as the sort of club that are likely to blow their load of the latest up and coming player from Europe.

Doesn't the buy-back expire at the end of the second summer too?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 15, 2020, 12:32:39 PM
Dean has also stated in the past making the point it is in our favour.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 15, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
City will almost certainly buy him back - even if it was just to sell him on - theyíd be mad not to.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 15, 2020, 12:37:27 PM
City will almost certainly buy him back - even if it was just to sell him on - theyíd be mad not to.

What if he wants to stay?
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on November 15, 2020, 12:41:35 PM
City will almost certainly buy him back - even if it was just to sell him on - theyíd be mad not to.

You'd hope that if that were the case then it would be us doing the buying.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 15, 2020, 01:07:53 PM
City will almost certainly buy him back - even if it was just to sell him on - theyíd be mad not to.

You'd hope that if that were the case then it would be us doing the buying.
I know that is a potential outcome of the buyback clause but that really would be the murky world of transfers. Having to effectively buy our own player!
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2020, 01:47:18 PM
Luiz is nowhere near good enough for City. Pep needs a £100M  midfielder for  his team. There is no need for him to waste his time and money on an inadequate player.

He's better than Rodri and he came with a good reputation from Atletico Madrid. Fernandinho 36 end of the season and Gundogan been there a while aswell so certainly an area Man. City need to refresh soon.

It will always be a worry but think the buy back fee has gone up to 35m this season which is still a good 10m below his true valuation.

Mind you rumours are Pep will leave end of the season so that could help.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2020, 02:21:17 PM
Luiz is nowhere near good enough for City. Pep needs a £100M  midfielder for  his team. There is no need for him to waste his time and money on an inadequate player.

He's better than Rodri and he came with a good reputation from Atletico Madrid. Fernandinho 36 end of the season and Gundogan been there a while aswell so certainly an area Man. City need to refresh soon.

It will always be a worry but think the buy back fee has gone up to 35m this season which is still a good 10m below his true valuation.

Mind you rumours are Pep will leave end of the season so that could help.

I think you've misunderstood the point he was making.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 15, 2020, 02:34:42 PM
City will almost certainly buy him back - even if it was just to sell him on - theyíd be mad not to.

You'd hope that if that were the case then it would be us doing the buying.

Well yes.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Hillbilly on November 18, 2020, 12:54:42 AM
Our man Dougie has just played a full, competitive, away match against Uruguay. Should be in tip-top condition for the weekend.

Thrilled that we have a regular starter for Brazil, not so thrilled that we have a regular starter for Brazil.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on November 18, 2020, 01:09:48 AM
He's at a good enough age where he can withstand that sort of thing.

You'd be more concerned with a 28/29 year old with 400 plus senior appearances dealing with that schedule.

If he remains past next summer we will need better quality than Nakamba to deputise for him, mind.

Nakamba is the anti Luiz distribution-wise.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 18, 2020, 01:11:05 AM
Think he misses the next Brazil game having picked up two bookings.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: john e on November 18, 2020, 10:45:02 AM
the only way we could get Doug at the time was to agree to this deal

it is what it is
it's no good moaning about it now
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Smithy on November 18, 2020, 11:21:12 AM
His situation will all depend on where we are at the end of the season.  Where did we finish, what's ahead of us in 21/22.  Going back to Man City would be a forgone conclusion if he's shone after another season of struggle for us.  Not so much if we are genuinely battling it out for a place in the top 6.

Look at the improvement this summer after the right transfer business.  Add another one or two in January, and then there is the promise of next summer's business - we might look a LOT more attractive to someone looking to cement their place in the Brazil side.

However, if at the end of everything Man City want him back, and he wants to go, we just have to be grateful we've had a couple of years out of a player wanted by a team challenging at the very top, and we'll have made a decent profit on him, too.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cannock villa on November 18, 2020, 12:06:42 PM
How do this buy back clause work if the player doesn't want to move. Surely in this day and age you can't make a person move to a different place of work and town.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 18, 2020, 12:13:24 PM
How do this buy back clause work if the player doesn't want to move. Surely in this day and age you can't make a person move to a different place of work and town.

If we finish in the top 4 we'll find out sure enough at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 18, 2020, 12:15:08 PM
How do this buy back clause work if the player doesn't want to move. Surely in this day and age you can't make a person move to a different place of work and town.

The technical answer is that he's already agreed. The more complete answer is that if he really wanted to stay with us I suspect the clubs would negotiate a buy out of the clause. There was talk of us opening talks on a new contract, if we did I suspect we'd approach Man City about that buy out as part of it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 18, 2020, 12:23:43 PM
Man Citeh offer £30m assuming that is the figure.  We are contractually obliged to accept the offer. Then the player I assume still has the choice to stay or go. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: cannock villa on November 18, 2020, 12:31:57 PM
That's what i would assume, the final decision surely has to come down to the player
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 18, 2020, 12:32:28 PM
How do this buy back clause work if the player doesn't want to move. Surely in this day and age you can't make a person move to a different place of work and town.

It's only like any other transfer in that regard.  His only recourse if he really didn't want to go back would be to go on strike, and I don't think that's likely.  And let's be honest, it would take something exceptional for him not to want to go back if they do exercise the option, like us being top 4 and Man City not.  Even with my claret and blue specs on I don't think that's going to happen.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 18, 2020, 12:33:48 PM
Yes if he is going to be starting for them more often than not he would be mad not to go back.  The only thing we can possibly do is start a bidding war.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on November 18, 2020, 12:36:57 PM
If Man City activated the clause it would be because Luiz has already agreed to the move. These days talks go on behind the scenes before they're formalised. Rightly or wrongly.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 18, 2020, 12:47:38 PM
Heís already agreed to move, as part of the original deal. This isnít a minimum release clause, itís activating a deal thatís already in place.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 18, 2020, 01:53:09 PM
Sorry but as much as i think he has really put in some seriously decent performances since lock down - he is hardly at the level of Jack or even Konsa who have been exceptional.
I'm not sure he would even get in the City team on a regular basis - look at the Snake he was "bought" at his absolute prime form with us and really struggled to get game time at that level. I actually think Snake then is better than Luiz now but that is my opinion.

We really have an inferiority complex at times - the second one of our players turns out to be decent we start to scare ourselves shitless they will be sold

Thank God our owners don't think this small time
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 18, 2020, 02:41:53 PM
He does a lot of work that goes unappreciated. Since he has played that more defensive role from the restart we have had one of the best defences in the league. That's a lot to do with the protection he gives our back four. Throw in a better keeper and suddenly, essentially the same set of defenders as most of last season look far better.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 18, 2020, 02:49:38 PM
Sorry but as much as i think he has really put in some seriously decent performances since lock down - he is hardly at the level of Jack or even Konsa who have been exceptional.
I'm not sure he would even get in the City team on a regular basis - look at the Snake he was "bought" at his absolute prime form with us and really struggled to get game time at that level. I actually think Snake then is better than Luiz now but that is my opinion.

We really have an inferiority complex at times - the second one of our players turns out to be decent we start to scare ourselves shitless they will be sold

Thank God our owners don't think this small time

As it stands he is, subject to them meeting the agreed fee, a Man City player next season. This was explicit in the deal that all parties entered into when he signed for us. I donít think being Ďsmall timeí comes into it.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 18, 2020, 03:42:57 PM
and Pep is a known fan.

He's a full Brazilian International and City can have him for £30m.  If he carries on his current form I'm pretty convinced they'll take that and so will he.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on November 18, 2020, 04:04:14 PM
That's what i would assume, the final decision surely has to come down to the player

Indeed. But that was a discussion that was had and a decision that was made in summer 2019, not one that will happen January or summer 2021.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Billy Walker on November 18, 2020, 04:13:53 PM
and Pep is a known fan.

He's a full Brazilian International and City can have him for £30m.  If he carries on his current form I'm pretty convinced they'll take that and so will he.

I  think it all depends on the kind of season we have and the progress we are making as a club.
If Douglas feels settled and a valued part of Villa, I'm pretty sure we could make an acceptable offer to buy out the clause. 
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 18, 2020, 04:18:27 PM
and Pep is a known fan.

He's a full Brazilian International and City can have him for £30m.  If he carries on his current form I'm pretty convinced they'll take that and so will he.

I  think it all depends on the kind of season we have and the progress we are making as a club.
If Douglas feels settled and a valued part of Villa, I'm pretty sure we could make an acceptable offer to buy out the clause. 
Maybe.  But most ambitious players who are full internationals would back themselves to play for City and even if we managed to finish 6th, that would still be a huge draw.  Kante left Leicester after the won the league.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 18, 2020, 04:29:51 PM
If Pep stays he probably goes.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on November 18, 2020, 05:03:01 PM
Sorry but as much as i think he has really put in some seriously decent performances since lock down - he is hardly at the level of Jack or even Konsa who have been exceptional.
I'm not sure he would even get in the City team on a regular basis - look at the Snake he was "bought" at his absolute prime form with us and really struggled to get game time at that level. I actually think Snake then is better than Luiz now but that is my opinion.

We really have an inferiority complex at times - the second one of our players turns out to be decent we start to scare ourselves shitless they will be sold

Thank God our owners don't think this small time

As it stands he is, subject to them meeting the agreed fee, a Man City player next season. This was explicit in the deal that all parties entered into when he signed for us. I donít think being Ďsmall timeí comes into it.

It wasn't a 2-year loan deal. He's our player but one with a clause in his contract that can be triggered.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dave on November 18, 2020, 05:36:03 PM
Sorry but as much as i think he has really put in some seriously decent performances since lock down - he is hardly at the level of Jack or even Konsa who have been exceptional.
I'm not sure he would even get in the City team on a regular basis - look at the Snake he was "bought" at his absolute prime form with us and really struggled to get game time at that level. I actually think Snake then is better than Luiz now but that is my opinion.

We really have an inferiority complex at times - the second one of our players turns out to be decent we start to scare ourselves shitless they will be sold

Thank God our owners don't think this small time

As it stands he is, subject to them meeting the agreed fee, a Man City player next season. This was explicit in the deal that all parties entered into when he signed for us. I donít think being Ďsmall timeí comes into it.

It wasn't a 2-year loan deal. He's our player but one with a clause in his contract that can be triggered.

I think he's aware of that.  His point is still correct though. If they meet the pre-agreed fee, there is nothing more to discuss - he becomes a Man City player.

If they choose not, he remains our player. The problem is that it's becoming increasingly hard to see why they wouldn't.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dr Butler on November 18, 2020, 06:08:38 PM
what happens if he doesn't want to go ?  is he still our player then ?

apologies for being late on the thread, but I love the lad and still keep rewinding that pass to Barkley for Ollie to score...:)

**sorry Dave just seen your reply**

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Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: OCD on November 18, 2020, 06:21:41 PM
That's my point really. If he's happy here and he was concerned that he would only be a bit part player there, it's not as open and shut as is being made out.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 18, 2020, 06:24:53 PM
what happens if he doesn't want to go ?  is he still our player then ?

apologies for being late on the thread, but I love the lad and still keep rewinding that pass to Barkley for Ollie to score... :)

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As I said earlier in that case I suspect his agent would talk to Man City and try to work out a price for Villa to pay to remove the clause and then talk to Villa about getting a new contract that he'll agree if we buy out Man City first. I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing talk of things like this in a couple of months, particularly if we're still performing well.

It really depends on Luiz himself, if he wants to go back then it will happen next summer, if he wants to stay then something will get worked out.
Title: Re: Douglas Luiz - Confirmed confirmed
Post by: Dr Butler on November 18, 2020, 06:26:54 PM
that makes sense Paul_e

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