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Offline Newby

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8505 on: July 01, 2020, 08:39:22 AM »
So they are going to have an investigation into the recruitment? Does this mean how we recruited, or the method of identification and scouting?  Or is this more a case of, did Suso buy the Right/wrong players or has Smith failed to get the best out of them? A game of blame tennis. 

Purslow presided over all of it but can't blame himself I guess.  Are we honestly to believe that Smith had absolutely nothing to do with any of our signings?  Seems a strange way to run a club with players foisted upon the Head Coach and told, here, I bought you a present, get on with coaching him!  To be fair, whoever decided Danny Drinkwater and Pepe Reina were useful additions to the squad simply needs to tender their resignation.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8506 on: July 01, 2020, 08:53:01 AM »
As this will have been called for by Purslow “It says Recruitment and Scouting strategy”so that’s aimed squarely at Suso. This is Purslow building his arse covering ammunition.
Obviously it will put Smith under the light to the extent of his actual involvement.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8507 on: July 01, 2020, 08:57:39 AM »
Would we be better off with;

Webster over Engels?
Philips over Nkamba?
Maupy over Wesley?
Benrhama over Tezuguet?

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8508 on: July 01, 2020, 08:58:39 AM »
yes

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8509 on: July 01, 2020, 09:03:36 AM »
Would we be better off with;

Webster over Engels?
Philips over Nkamba?
Maupy over Wesley?
Benrhama over Tezuguet?


I guess the obvious answer is yes, but then again, it also brings into question whether Dean Smith has coached them well enough?  Engels and Nakamba seem to have got steadily worse but was Trezeguet ever good enough.  Personally, I think we overpaid for Wesley but he isn't as bad as some make out.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8510 on: July 01, 2020, 09:10:31 AM »
Dyche is definitely better than what we currently have but I'm sure there are better managers than Dyche who we might consider.

....before giving the job to somebody worse than Smith.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8511 on: July 01, 2020, 09:21:27 AM »
Would we be better off with;

Webster over Engels?
Philips over Nkamba?
Maupy over Wesley?
Benrhama over Tezuguet?


I guess the obvious answer is yes, but then again, it also brings into question whether Dean Smith has coached them well enough?  Engels and Nakamba seem to have got steadily worse but was Trezeguet ever good enough.  Personally, I think we overpaid for Wesley but he isn't as bad as some make out.

Whether the criticism of Wesley is fair or not, I think it's fair to say that his natural game (no pace, hopeless in the air) doesn't seem particularly well suited to the Premier League.

Expecting a 22 year old Brazilian from the Belgian league to come in and be our main and pretty much only striker was utter madness and a real dereliction of duty.  The fact that he was backed up by Keinan Davis who makes Emile Heskey look prolific just makes it even worse.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8512 on: July 01, 2020, 09:26:50 AM »
Dyche and the game away, Smith sprang 5 2 3 on him and the camera kept panning over to him looking like a rabbit in the headlights. He did react at halftime but then it was too late.
He is a conventional English manager but does not strike me as a top 6 Type manager and if we hire him we will know we are not a top 6 type club.
On balance I would keep Smith if the alternative is just more upheaval for the sake of it.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8513 on: July 01, 2020, 09:51:48 AM »
Would we be better off with;

Webster over Engels?
Philips over Nkamba?
Maupy over Wesley?
Benrhama over Tezuguet?


I guess the obvious answer is yes, but then again, it also brings into question whether Dean Smith has coached them well enough?  Engels and Nakamba seem to have got steadily worse but was Trezeguet ever good enough.  Personally, I think we overpaid for Wesley but he isn't as bad as some make out.

Whether the criticism of Wesley is fair or not, I think it's fair to say that his natural game (no pace, hopeless in the air) doesn't seem particularly well suited to the Premier League.

Expecting a 22 year old Brazilian from the Belgian league to come in and be our main and pretty much only striker was utter madness and a real dereliction of duty.  The fact that he was backed up by Keinan Davis who makes Emile Heskey look prolific just makes it even worse.
This is the biggest critisism.  I mentioned listening to a scouting podcast at the time we were signing him that basically said he wasn't suitable for all the reasons that turned out to be true.  If those guys knew that, why didn't we? 

And to answer ADS point - absolutely I think we'd have been safe with those alternative signings.  Yes they would have cost more but we coud have kept some squad players from last year and spent our money on fewer better signings.
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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8514 on: July 01, 2020, 09:59:12 AM »
The concencus on here at the time was that buying him was a risk, only buying him seemed negligent.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8515 on: July 01, 2020, 10:25:52 AM »
Would we be better off with;

Webster over Engels?
Philips over Nkamba?
Maupy over Wesley?
Benrhama over Tezuguet?


I guess the obvious answer is yes, but then again, it also brings into question whether Dean Smith has coached them well enough?  Engels and Nakamba seem to have got steadily worse but was Trezeguet ever good enough.  Personally, I think we overpaid for Wesley but he isn't as bad as some make out.

Engels certainly started off well and in the early games he and Mings looked pretty decent together ,not sure if its coaching / niggly injuries or loss of confidence which effected him but he has gone off the boil.

Trez had some bright spots at times as well but as gone backwards. Not every transfer works out as we have seen for years so if you bring in as many as we did some just won't work out but elevate the risk of failure buy buying so many players untested not only in this league but higher level overseas leagues.

What needs to be taken into account as well is wages we went to the cheaper leagues as the wage demands were lower for those players and we were working within FFP.Also I saw our payments to agents was one of the lowest in the league.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8516 on: July 01, 2020, 10:42:10 AM »
Genuinely astonished as to why people would scoff at Dyche. It’s not always about champagne football, it’s about getting results to stay in the league with the big boys. How we can possibly not want a manager that has got a club as unfashionable as Burnley on the same number of points as Spurs,  when we are in fucking 19th fucking place and barely have a shot at goal let alone going somewhere like Palace and winning. His teams work their bollocks off and they are hard to beat, the complete antithesis of us. We’re powder puff, easy to play against, predictable, lazy, and fucking boring and we’ve got people turning their nose up at a manager like that. Get real.

Maybe part of the reason why Dyche is doing so well at Burnley is that they didn't sack him when they were relegated. 

And that they sacked someone else to appoint him in the first place. If you took that logic no club would sack anyone no mater how bad.

Dyche did well despite them going down, Smith has been dreadful all season. Indeed he was dreadful for large chunks of last season and had a good late run that looks more and more like a fluke by the day. He will not get us promoted again, we saw how he has us playing without Grealish in the Championship last season- terribly! Imagine how bad without Grealish, Mings, and McGinn plus Wesley instead of Abrahams. Be lucky if we didn't do a Sunderland with Smith managing that team.

Time to roll the dice.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8517 on: July 01, 2020, 10:45:41 AM »
I know not all trasnfers work out, but this year I'd argue that hardly any at all have:

Heaton - yes, obviously missing second half of season not his fault.
Jota - no.  Couldn't get into a crap Blues team, and obvious why.  Slow and physically weak.
Wesley - no, reasons above.
Trezeguet - no, an even more rubbish and less effective Andre Green
Nakamba - no.  Rubbish, can't play football.
Luiz - just about, our best player of late.
Mings - no, huge, huge disappointment, mistakes all over the shop.
Samatta - no.  Very average indeed.
Baston - no, pointless non-signing
Drinkwater - no, just about the worst loan singing we've ever made.  Woeful.
Engels - no.  Started off OK, has nose-dived since.
Reina - no, way past his best, lacks fitness and that run out to midfield against Leicester, fuck me.
Konsa - jury out, looks promising but no way the finished article.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8518 on: July 01, 2020, 10:47:32 AM »
I'm willing to give Engels a pass as it has been suggested he had a falling out with Dean and never got much of a look in after that.  He did look pretty good early season.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #8519 on: July 01, 2020, 10:57:07 AM »
He just looks found out to me, with the turning circle of a tanker and a lack of pace. Forget Webster, we'd have been better off signing Dawson from the Albion for half the price and some considerable experience.

 


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