If you're managing Burnley you can get away with being relegated and keep your job (well, then, you probably wouldn't now). Not at a club of our size. It would be ridiculous to stand by him in those circumstances.
Quote from: rougegorge on June 30, 2020, 07:46:00 PMQuote from: N'ZMAV on June 30, 2020, 06:12:26 PMSmith was the right appointment at the time. Same as MON was, similar to BFR and Brian Little. Things just don't work out sometimes...In hindsight, Smith turned out to be a good choice to get us up, but at the time of the appointment he wasn't an obvious choice; other than Brentford played some good football some of the time (notably against us) and he was a Villa fan.His credentials and results, whilst very respectable for the clubs concerned, weren't screaming out and weren't particularly progressive :Walsall League 12012 - 19th2013 - 9th2014 - 13th2015 - 14th2015-16 started season well Brentford Championship2016 - 9th2017- 10th2018 - 9th Overall, it would seem thus far, he's had just the one outstanding season as a manager.Even so, I was hoping for something better this season.Being totally pedantic here and no bearing on the smith in or out debate, but didn’t he get Walsall to the play offs one season? I’m sure they lost to Barnsley in the league one semis, same year they got to a cup final and lost.
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 30, 2020, 06:12:26 PMSmith was the right appointment at the time. Same as MON was, similar to BFR and Brian Little. Things just don't work out sometimes...In hindsight, Smith turned out to be a good choice to get us up, but at the time of the appointment he wasn't an obvious choice; other than Brentford played some good football some of the time (notably against us) and he was a Villa fan.His credentials and results, whilst very respectable for the clubs concerned, weren't screaming out and weren't particularly progressive :Walsall League 12012 - 19th2013 - 9th2014 - 13th2015 - 14th2015-16 started season well Brentford Championship2016 - 9th2017- 10th2018 - 9th Overall, it would seem thus far, he's had just the one outstanding season as a manager.Even so, I was hoping for something better this season.
Smith was the right appointment at the time. Same as MON was, similar to BFR and Brian Little. Things just don't work out sometimes...
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 30, 2020, 11:02:41 PMIf you're managing Burnley you can get away with being relegated and keep your job (well, then, you probably wouldn't now). Not at a club of our size. It would be ridiculous to stand by him in those circumstances.What makes us so important?
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 30, 2020, 11:08:25 PMQuote from: cdbullyweefan on June 30, 2020, 11:02:41 PMIf you're managing Burnley you can get away with being relegated and keep your job (well, then, you probably wouldn't now). Not at a club of our size. It would be ridiculous to stand by him in those circumstances.What makes us so important?An awful lot of things as you well know
And why we sometimes rightly get ridiculed for. We’ve been absolutely shocking for 10 years. All driven by one short term decision or another. I’ve no idea what is the best option these days. Nothing seems to work for very long.
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on June 30, 2020, 11:22:07 PMAnd why we sometimes rightly get ridiculed for. We’ve been absolutely shocking for 10 years. All driven by one short term decision or another. I’ve no idea what is the best option these days. Nothing seems to work for very long.That's the absolute crux - short-term. The only time we've ever thought long-term this century was under Houlier, and he was getting dog's abuse for it.
Houllier was shite, he took a team that wasn't too far away from winning two cups and finishing in the top four, minus one player, and had them stinking out the bottom half of the league all season.
He was trying to change MO’N’s anti football style with a more modern one and he was trying to do it with MO’N’s players. Towards the end of that season we were starting to play some very good stuff as he started to bring his own signings in. But then he had a coronary.