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Author Topic: Dean Smith - Confirmed  (Read 467530 times)

Offline Nunkin1965

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #4995 on: December 05, 2019, 11:02:52 PM »
I hope we donít make any stupid decisions regarding changing managers.
If weíd consistently been in the bottom 2 or 3 then there is a small element of doubt but weíre not.
Weíre in a group of sides that will swop places with each other all season probably and as long we stay up then thatís fine by me.
Personally Iíve seen more than enough to convince me that weíll be ok.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #4996 on: December 05, 2019, 11:06:25 PM »
Pardew is available, we should get him. Plenty of experience.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #4997 on: December 05, 2019, 11:49:10 PM »
Pardew is available, we should get him. Plenty of experience.

Behave, or it's the naughty step for you........

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #4998 on: December 05, 2019, 11:50:56 PM »
Glenn Roeder might do a job for us.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #4999 on: December 06, 2019, 12:05:21 AM »
I will see you your Alan Pardew and Glenn Roeder and raise you a Joe Kinnear.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5000 on: December 06, 2019, 01:29:09 AM »
Once we've played Leicester 6 of our last 7 games will have been against the top 6. After that it's a more favourable run. Anyone who wants a change needs sectioning to be frank. Look at our previous run of managers. He's had a brilliant year.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5001 on: December 06, 2019, 01:30:09 AM »
I don't think anyone has been suggesting they want a change, have they?

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5002 on: December 06, 2019, 01:31:41 AM »
Something I heard tonight. Should've stated that.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5003 on: December 06, 2019, 07:27:03 AM »
Have just caught up on the last few pages. I think Risso sums up in a fair way the justified criticism of Smith. Ketzsters criticism is ďStuart445 on BentekeĒ levels of mental.

I think Smith hasnít quite found his best team or formation yet. Heís blending a reasonable promotion team with new recruits and it hasnít quite yet clicked. For me the things he needs to fix are:

Sloppy and casual defensive play
How to flex or change his 4-3-3 away from home not just like for like subs.
Strengthening the front 3.

Other than that Iíve seen enough to suggest heís got what it takes to move this club forwards. Heís learning along the way, he doesnít strike me as someone who isnít trying to learn and develop as a coach.




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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5004 on: December 06, 2019, 07:30:56 AM »
If he's such a bad manager and been "making poor game management choices since he joined" how did we get promoted breaking a club record along the way - sorcery? 

Who on earth said "he's such a bad manager"?  He clearly isn't, but he's also not perfect, and in my opinion his in-game management is one of his weaker areas.
Completely agree, he has bought so much to the club which can not be under valued. But it is also fair to point out his recurring weakness regarding Game Management.
It is a credit to him that his team has got into so many point winning positions considering where we have come from.
But we should have more points on the board.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2019, 07:32:47 AM by ChicagoLion »

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5005 on: December 06, 2019, 09:59:37 AM »
I have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a  game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted  wasn't good enough for him.

Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.

If Smith stays we go down and thereís no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I donít think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether weíve won games or lost games. So itís not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, Iíve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether itís the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we donít have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasnít found his best team yet, he didnít last season before Derby either. So thatís twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasnít, and if Grealish hadnít come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. Thatís great from a marketing point of view but doesnít necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. Heís a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2019, 10:15:58 AM by Ketzster »

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5006 on: December 06, 2019, 10:09:43 AM »
Oh dear

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5007 on: December 06, 2019, 10:16:53 AM »
What sort of club would we be seen to be if we fired Smith after all heís done?
The team does fight for him, there looks like a togetherness. The fans relationship with club and team has been the best for many years. The football is good to watch. We are selling out every week and the bloke got us out of the Division when it looked impossible.
There are so many positive things from the Smith regime.
I am critical of his game management but to suggest we should get rid is truly bonkers.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5008 on: December 06, 2019, 10:19:01 AM »
I have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a  game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted  wasn't good enough for him.

Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.

If Smith stays we go down and thereís no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I donít think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether weíve won games or lost games. So itís not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, Iíve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether itís the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during as game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we donít have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasnít found his best team yet, he didnít last season before Derby either. So thatís twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasnít, and if Grealish hadnít come back his managerial ability would have been exposed. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. Thatís great from a marketing point of view but doesnít necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith do find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. Heís a mid championship level and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right

The guy has got us from (I think) 15th in the championship to 15th in the Premer League in twelve months.  He's turned Tyrone Mings into an England international and completely overhauled the squad into the bargain - he's worked a miracle, in my book.  This season was always going to be one of highs and lows as we try to re-establish ourselves. We have a transfer window to come and it's all to play for. 

If someone had offered me, twelve months ago, the chance for Villa to be in this exact position one year on, with Deano at the helm, I would have bitten their arm off!

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5009 on: December 06, 2019, 10:23:12 AM »
I have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a  game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted  wasn't good enough for him.

Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.

If Smith stays we go down and thereís no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I donít think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether weíve won games or lost games. So itís not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, Iíve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether itís the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we donít have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasnít found his best team yet, he didnít last season before Derby either. So thatís twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasnít, and if Grealish hadnít come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. Thatís great from a marketing point of view but doesnít necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. Heís a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.


Where exactly have you said it after we've won games because it wasn't here. Instead you seem to have waited until a bad performance away at Stamford Bridge to then come out and say that Smith is shit and has done nothing of note, that you can't even give him credit for promotion reflects a lot worse on you than anyone else.