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Offline AV82EC

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #4995 on: December 06, 2019, 07:27:03 AM »
Have just caught up on the last few pages. I think Risso sums up in a fair way the justified criticism of Smith. Ketzsters criticism is “Stuart445 on Benteke” levels of mental.

I think Smith hasn’t quite found his best team or formation yet. He’s blending a reasonable promotion team with new recruits and it hasn’t quite yet clicked. For me the things he needs to fix are:

Sloppy and casual defensive play
How to flex or change his 4-3-3 away from home not just like for like subs.
Strengthening the front 3.

Other than that I’ve seen enough to suggest he’s got what it takes to move this club forwards. He’s learning along the way, he doesn’t strike me as someone who isn’t trying to learn and develop as a coach.




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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #4996 on: December 06, 2019, 07:30:56 AM »
If he's such a bad manager and been "making poor game management choices since he joined" how did we get promoted breaking a club record along the way - sorcery? 

Who on earth said "he's such a bad manager"?  He clearly isn't, but he's also not perfect, and in my opinion his in-game management is one of his weaker areas.
Completely agree, he has bought so much to the club which can not be under valued. But it is also fair to point out his recurring weakness regarding Game Management.
It is a credit to him that his team has got into so many point winning positions considering where we have come from.
But we should have more points on the board.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2019, 07:32:47 AM by ChicagoLion »

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #4997 on: December 06, 2019, 09:59:37 AM »
I have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a  game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted  wasn't good enough for him.

Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.

If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2019, 10:15:58 AM by Ketzster »

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #4998 on: December 06, 2019, 10:09:43 AM »
Oh dear

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #4999 on: December 06, 2019, 10:16:53 AM »
What sort of club would we be seen to be if we fired Smith after all he’s done?
The team does fight for him, there looks like a togetherness. The fans relationship with club and team has been the best for many years. The football is good to watch. We are selling out every week and the bloke got us out of the Division when it looked impossible.
There are so many positive things from the Smith regime.
I am critical of his game management but to suggest we should get rid is truly bonkers.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5000 on: December 06, 2019, 10:19:01 AM »
I have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a  game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted  wasn't good enough for him.

Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.

If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during as game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have been exposed. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith do find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right

The guy has got us from (I think) 15th in the championship to 15th in the Premer League in twelve months.  He's turned Tyrone Mings into an England international and completely overhauled the squad into the bargain - he's worked a miracle, in my book.  This season was always going to be one of highs and lows as we try to re-establish ourselves. We have a transfer window to come and it's all to play for. 

If someone had offered me, twelve months ago, the chance for Villa to be in this exact position one year on, with Deano at the helm, I would have bitten their arm off!

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5001 on: December 06, 2019, 10:23:12 AM »
I have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a  game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted  wasn't good enough for him.

Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.

If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.


Where exactly have you said it after we've won games because it wasn't here. Instead you seem to have waited until a bad performance away at Stamford Bridge to then come out and say that Smith is shit and has done nothing of note, that you can't even give him credit for promotion reflects a lot worse on you than anyone else.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5002 on: December 06, 2019, 10:26:05 AM »
What sort of club would we be seen to be if we fired Smith after all he’s done?
The team does fight for him, there looks like a togetherness. The fans relationship with club and team has been the best for many years. The football is good to watch. We are selling out every week and the bloke got us out of the Division when it looked impossible.
There are so many positive things from the Smith regime.
I am critical of his game management but to suggest we should get rid is truly bonkers.

I actually disagree that the football is good to watch generally. Yes there are good halves occasionally like at Man United, or against Newcastle, but there’s been an awful lot of dross as well. Leeds at home last season to Stoke away was some of the worst football from a Villa side I’d ever seen, and this season there have been glimpses of that like Wolves away and Wednesday night. Of course there are good games, but there were under Bruce and Lambert for example as well. I don’t really know what our pattern of play is. When we played Brighton and they were running rings around us before Mooy got sent off, it was obvious that they had a clear plan that had been coached really well. People moan at Wesley, but they forget there were numerous games where Abraham was totally isolated and did nothing last season. That’s part of the way Smith way of playing football. That’s not to say Wesley shouldn’t do more of course when he does get the ball

The getting us out of the division thing didn’t look so impossible when he first took over, it was the run after Christmas when it was Smith that was in charge that made it look more impossible.
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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5003 on: December 06, 2019, 10:32:30 AM »
I have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a  game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted  wasn't good enough for him.

Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.

If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.


Where exactly have you said it after we've won games because it wasn't here. Instead you seem to have waited until a bad performance away at Stamford Bridge to then come out and say that Smith is shit and has done nothing of note, that you an't even give him credit for promotion reflects a lot worse on you than anyone else.

No I admit I haven’t bothered posting on here for years, apart from briefly last Christmas because I know it’s pointless because I’ll just get a reaction like I’m getting, or like other people that dare say anything would get. Why thinking Smith isn’t good enough would reflect badly on me is beyond me, and it shows that you aren’t actually really allowed an opinion that differs from the parameters of the norm on here

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5004 on: December 06, 2019, 10:33:06 AM »
I have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a  game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted  wasn't good enough for him.

Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.

If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.


Where exactly have you said it after we've won games because it wasn't here. Instead you seem to have waited until a bad performance away at Stamford Bridge to then come out and say that Smith is shit and has done nothing of note, that you can't even give him credit for promotion reflects a lot worse on you than anyone else.

Tbf, every post Ketzster has ever made is a moan, going back years. Superb commitment.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5005 on: December 06, 2019, 10:33:12 AM »
What sort of club would we be seen to be if we fired Smith after all he’s done?
The team does fight for him, there looks like a togetherness. The fans relationship with club and team has been the best for many years. The football is good to watch. We are selling out every week and the bloke got us out of the Division when it looked impossible.
There are so many positive things from the Smith regime.
I am critical of his game management but to suggest we should get rid is truly bonkers.

I like Smith and want him to stay and succeed.  But if he takes us down or we're cut adrift at any point, he should be chopped.  Ranieri won Leicester the title, but looked like relegating them the following season, and after sacking him they'ved ended up with Rodgers and being Liverpool's only challenger for the title this season.  I hope we stay up comfortably and then kick on again next season under Smith, mind.  Which I think we will do, just need to replace the utterly useless Wesley in January and chalk it down to experience.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5006 on: December 06, 2019, 10:34:31 AM »
We're not going down!

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5007 on: December 06, 2019, 10:35:24 AM »
I have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a  game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted  wasn't good enough for him.

Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.

If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.


Where exactly have you said it after we've won games because it wasn't here. Instead you seem to have waited until a bad performance away at Stamford Bridge to then come out and say that Smith is shit and has done nothing of note, that you an't even give him credit for promotion reflects a lot worse on you than anyone else.

No I admit I haven’t bothered posting on here for years, apart from briefly last Christmas because I know it’s pointless because I’ll just get a reaction like I’m getting, or like other people that dare say anything would get. Why thinking Smith isn’t good enough would reflect badly on me is beyond me, and it shows that you aren’t actually really allowed an opinion that differs from the parameters of the norm on here

Your last post of last season was after Stoke away so don't come the "I'm being driven away" bollocks.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5008 on: December 06, 2019, 10:36:44 AM »
I don't think anyone has been suggesting they want a change, have they?

Not really, one poster has highlighted concerns on Smith, some valid, some OTT. Others have thrown in Roeders and Kinnears as a rebuke. Truth is in the middle somewhere.

I'd give Smith a bit of a pass regarding his game management at Chelsea. Arguably Hourihane could have gone at half time but Luiz form wasn't exactly hectic going into the game. He clearly has no faith in Kodjia and neither have I based on his form over last 18 months plus. Options on the bench at Chelsea seemed very average generally, four of our outfield subs aren't up to the required standard.

Let's move on to Leicester

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5009 on: December 06, 2019, 10:37:29 AM »
Yes there were games under Bruce where we played some football but the football under Smith is usually much more attractive. Put another way I like watching Smiths team much more than any of the most recent managers including Oniel.
There are games when we he has got it wrong and his Rigid tactics are sometimes a concern.
I am in the camp that believes he is not above criticism but also think that he has earned the right to our and the clubs support.

 


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