NSWE Investment

[Chris Smith]

Realistically if they are actually serious about increasing capacity, they will likely (and sadly) have to look away from Villa Park. The transport inflexibility is a huge problem that won’t be solved by hair brained ideas like cable cars.  It’s a beautiful shrine to football in the middle of a housing estate with as bad transport links as any in the professional game.

Everton had the same problem - as did Arsenal. Something will have to give in the end.

The problem is that within Birmingham you are likely to encounter similar problems wherever you move to. You’ve still got to find parking, transport links, food and drink outlets etc without alienating established businesses in the area and at the same time keeping the fan base happy.

[exigo]

It's a shame we didn't have NSWE in five years back. I could have seen them buying up the industrial estate land near the Lichfield Road, and being able to build a 60,000+ ground within walking distance of the current site. Wouldn't have greatly affected any of the local boozers, and would make it easier to get in and out for road traffic.
The only way I can see us expanding the current site significantly is by buying up half of Nelson Road or dropping Witton Lane underneath a new stand – and neither of those will be easy or cheap.

[Risso]

What's all this land below to the east of the City Centre? Only half a mile out, but seems a lot of space, and somewhere like that would mean most people could get into the city centre using the existing travel options and then just walk to the ground.

[Lastfootstamper]

HS2

[chrisw1]

I don't see the problem with the multi storey suggestion.  If one of the limiting factors to a North stand redevelopment is limited car parking (as DW suggested it is) then a 1 or 2 deck multi storey seems to be a perfectly reasonable solution to me.  How would it be any worse than underground parking?

Yes getting out will be a pain, but I'm thiking one or two decks to replace lost parking and slightly increase what we already have, not a 7 storey monstrocity.  It wouldn't really be much worse than getting out of a surface car park (particularly if filter lanes were adopted to stip one exit route having priority whilst another is completely blocked).  Also, as many of the visitors are likley to be corporate guests, hopefull they leaving times will be a bit staggered anyway.

I appreciate people like to take the piss out of Fred, but game pricing and the multi-storey suggestion are perfectly valid comments to make.

[Drummond]

Honestly, if they went back to one way systems after games the traffic would dissipate quickly. Provide buses in from New Street too.

[Drummond]

Either that or put a helipad on top of the shop and do park and fly from Star City.

[LeeB]

I don't see the problem with the multi storey suggestion.  If one of the limiting factors to a North stand redevelopment is limited car parking (as DW suggested it is) then a 1 or 2 deck multi storey seems to be a perfectly reasonable solution to me.  How would it be any worse than underground parking?

Yes getting out will be a pain, but I'm thiking one or two decks to replace lost parking and slightly increase what we already have, not a 7 storey monstrocity.  It wouldn't really be much worse than getting out of a surface car park (particularly if filter lanes were adopted to stip one exit route having priority whilst another is completely blocked).  Also, as many of the visitors are likley to be corporate guests, hopefull they leaving times will be a bit staggered anyway.

I appreciate people like to take the piss out of Fred, but game pricing and the multi-storey suggestion are perfectly valid comments to make.

I once parked in Londonderry House in Dale End to go to a gig at the Academy, you're talking 2,000 people. It was horrific trying to get out. Imagine enduring that only to be stuck on the local roads behind everyone else.

There's only one solution, and it's a zero tolerance curfew at least two hours either side of the match for anyone without a valid match ticket, with a 15-20 mile radius.

[Brazilian Villain]

Given that the pinkos at NASA aren't letting us use the teleport technology we all know they've secretly got anytime soon, can I suggest cannons? Easy to install in any small to medium sized garden or communal outdoor space, string a net between the roofs of the four stands (providing a much-needed shot in the arm to our local net making industry), kablammo, all there in moments, minimal congestion.

Just need to put Tonev in charge of the firing to ensure we end up in the stands.

[chrisw1]

I don't see the problem with the multi storey suggestion.  If one of the limiting factors to a North stand redevelopment is limited car parking (as DW suggested it is) then a 1 or 2 deck multi storey seems to be a perfectly reasonable solution to me.  How would it be any worse than underground parking?

Yes getting out will be a pain, but I'm thiking one or two decks to replace lost parking and slightly increase what we already have, not a 7 storey monstrocity.  It wouldn't really be much worse than getting out of a surface car park (particularly if filter lanes were adopted to stip one exit route having priority whilst another is completely blocked).  Also, as many of the visitors are likley to be corporate guests, hopefull they leaving times will be a bit staggered anyway.

I appreciate people like to take the piss out of Fred, but game pricing and the multi-storey suggestion are perfectly valid comments to make.

I once parked in Londonderry House in Dale End to go to a gig at the Academy, you're talking 2,000 people. It was horrific trying to get out. Imagine enduring that only to be stuck on the local roads behind everyone else.

There's only one solution, and it's a zero tolerance curfew at least two hours either side of the match for anyone without a valid match ticket, with a 15-20 mile radius.

I specifically addressed this.  I said a small 1 or 2 deck car park to replace the spaces lost to the North stand redev, not a big multi deck monstrosity.

[Risso]

I don't see the problem with the multi storey suggestion.  If one of the limiting factors to a North stand redevelopment is limited car parking (as DW suggested it is) then a 1 or 2 deck multi storey seems to be a perfectly reasonable solution to me.  How would it be any worse than underground parking?

Yes getting out will be a pain, but I'm thiking one or two decks to replace lost parking and slightly increase what we already have, not a 7 storey monstrocity.  It wouldn't really be much worse than getting out of a surface car park (particularly if filter lanes were adopted to stip one exit route having priority whilst another is completely blocked).  Also, as many of the visitors are likley to be corporate guests, hopefull they leaving times will be a bit staggered anyway.

I appreciate people like to take the piss out of Fred, but game pricing and the multi-storey suggestion are perfectly valid comments to make.

I once parked in Londonderry House in Dale End to go to a gig at the Academy, you're talking 2,000 people. It was horrific trying to get out. Imagine enduring that only to be stuck on the local roads behind everyone else.

There's only one solution, and it's a zero tolerance curfew at least two hours either side of the match for anyone without a valid match ticket, with a 15-20 mile radius.

Yep, multi-story car parks are intended to be used where there's regular comings and goings like shopping centres, not where you've got hundreds of people arriving and leaving at the same time. It would just make a bad situation even worse.

[VILLA MOLE]

I think Park and rides situated north east west and South with free shuttles {inc in ticket price )

Liaise with the NEC to use their Parking potentially ?

[LeeB]

Given that the pinkos at NASA aren't letting us use the teleport technology we all know they've secretly got anytime soon, can I suggest cannons? Easy to install in any small to medium sized garden or communal outdoor space, string a net between the roofs of the four stands (providing a much-needed shot in the arm to our local net making industry), kablammo, all there in moments, minimal congestion.

Just need to put Tonev in charge of the firing to ensure we end up in the stands.

We'd end up in the Stan Cullis Stand or the Trent End with him in charge.

[chrisw1]

I think Park and rides situated north east west and South with free shuttles {inc in ticket price )

Liaise with the NEC to use their Parking potentially ?

Yes, an excellent idea.  A bit pricey though I'd guess.

[sickbeggar]

So, "no" to cannons, then?

Better idea. There's medievil tunnels leading to Aston Hall from the direction of Bevington road. Widen them a bit to take a narrow gauge rail train (like the stuff you see at theme parks)  and then extend them to the wasteland behind the mosque on Park circus roundabout. Direct all the busses there and then people come out in Aston Hall after a quick trip underground.