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[Brazilian Villain]

Just giving a Ticket Update and pointing out some facts.


Don't need people calling me a 'Balloon' for sharing my sincere opinions on Issues at the Football Club

It's about time you shown a little respect for Flin5tone .

I wish I had the confidence to refer to myself in the third person.

I think it's appropriate for him to use the 'third person' to refer to himself but then being Irish I have a tendency to drop my h's.

[sickbeggar]

Indeed. That's what gave me the idea.  The thames one has a capacity of 2,500 people per hour or 30 buses!

I can think of better uses of public or private money than building a fucking cable car to get people to Villa Park.

Cost 60m in the most expensive city in the world. How much would the other options cost?

60m pays for more buses and trains not a bloody antiquated method of transport that’s good for people who want to get up mountains and hills, not so good when you’re trying to transport as many people as possible in short time frames across distance.

More buses = more congestion. Cable car dumping 2500 per hour into Aston, 30 less busses or 833 less cars (based on 3 per car). Also the train operators don't have loads of spare capacity knocking around like in the BR days or the track capacity because they rationalised it. Those extra carriages or trains will cost money and re-instating the infrastructure costs will probably dwarf 60m

Nobody is going to invest that kind of money for something used 20 times a year.

But they will for buses and trains? The train operators don't own these trains - they have the trains they need for their services. Are they really going to lease another 4 trains and employ extra drivers for 20 trips per year? Same with the buses.  Plus people will use it anyway as a tourist thing.

[Clampy]

What if everyone had one of those electronic scooters? OK, it would be a bit of a bastard trying to find yours after the game and the odd scuffle might break out but we'd all get home quicker.

[Chris Smith]

Indeed. That's what gave me the idea.  The thames one has a capacity of 2,500 people per hour or 30 buses!

I can think of better uses of public or private money than building a fucking cable car to get people to Villa Park.

Cost 60m in the most expensive city in the world. How much would the other options cost?

60m pays for more buses and trains not a bloody antiquated method of transport that’s good for people who want to get up mountains and hills, not so good when you’re trying to transport as many people as possible in short time frames across distance.

More buses = more congestion. Cable car dumping 2500 per hour into Aston, 30 less busses or 833 less cars (based on 3 per car). Also the train operators don't have loads of spare capacity knocking around like in the BR days or the track capacity because they rationalised it. Those extra carriages or trains will cost money and re-instating the infrastructure costs will probably dwarf 60m

Nobody is going to invest that kind of money for something used 20 times a year.

But they will for buses and trains? The train operators don't own these trains - they have the trains they need for their services. Are they really going to lease another 4 trains and employ extra drivers for 20 trips per year? Same with the buses.  Plus people will use it anyway as a tourist thing.

Oh yes, that thriving tourist hotspot of Aston. It would also take years to build and cause additional disruption during the construction.

The infrastructure is already there for the trains and buses, it just needs some joined up thinking to make better use of them.

[sickbeggar]

Indeed. That's what gave me the idea.  The thames one has a capacity of 2,500 people per hour or 30 buses!

I can think of better uses of public or private money than building a fucking cable car to get people to Villa Park.

Cost 60m in the most expensive city in the world. How much would the other options cost?

60m pays for more buses and trains not a bloody antiquated method of transport that’s good for people who want to get up mountains and hills, not so good when you’re trying to transport as many people as possible in short time frames across distance.

More buses = more congestion. Cable car dumping 2500 per hour into Aston, 30 less busses or 833 less cars (based on 3 per car). Also the train operators don't have loads of spare capacity knocking around like in the BR days or the track capacity because they rationalised it. Those extra carriages or trains will cost money and re-instating the infrastructure costs will probably dwarf 60m

Nobody is going to invest that kind of money for something used 20 times a year.

But they will for buses and trains? The train operators don't own these trains - they have the trains they need for their services. Are they really going to lease another 4 trains and employ extra drivers for 20 trips per year? Same with the buses.  Plus people will use it anyway as a tourist thing.

Oh yes, that thriving tourist hotspot of Aston. It would also take years to build and cause additional disruption during the construction.

The infrastructure is already there for the trains and buses, it just needs some joined up thinking to make better use of them.

Nah its literally not. In the old days if BR wanted to run an extra train they'd get a  loco not being used (GONE) and stick on some carriages not being used (GONE), and they'd have the track and infrastructure (loops, sidings, signalling platforms- GONE) to queue the extra trains up.

Now its a modular railway. All the trains are permanently joined so no spare carriages, they don't keep spares if they break down (cancelled trains anyone), the track and signalling is designed to meet the services, no empty platforms, loops to wait in etc.. Looking at miles more than 60m to put all that back in for 20 trips per year. If it was that cheap 'n easy they'd have done it years ago

[algy]

Indeed. That's what gave me the idea.  The thames one has a capacity of 2,500 people per hour or 30 buses!

I can think of better uses of public or private money than building a fucking cable car to get people to Villa Park.

Cost 60m in the most expensive city in the world. How much would the other options cost?

60m pays for more buses and trains not a bloody antiquated method of transport that’s good for people who want to get up mountains and hills, not so good when you’re trying to transport as many people as possible in short time frames across distance.

More buses = more congestion. Cable car dumping 2500 per hour into Aston, 30 less busses or 833 less cars (based on 3 per car). Also the train operators don't have loads of spare capacity knocking around like in the BR days or the track capacity because they rationalised it. Those extra carriages or trains will cost money and re-instating the infrastructure costs will probably dwarf 60m

Nobody is going to invest that kind of money for something used 20 times a year.

But they will for buses and trains? The train operators don't own these trains - they have the trains they need for their services. Are they really going to lease another 4 trains and employ extra drivers for 20 trips per year? Same with the buses.  Plus people will use it anyway as a tourist thing.

Oh yes, that thriving tourist hotspot of Aston. It would also take years to build and cause additional disruption during the construction.

The infrastructure is already there for the trains and buses, it just needs some joined up thinking to make better use of them.

What if we made it follow the Birmingham & Fazeley canal for a bit, like the Wuppertal monorail?  I reckon you could probably turn that into a Peaky Blinders themed section, which'd help on the tourist side of things



EDIT: Just read this after posting.  Just for clarity, the Wuppertal monorail doesn't follow the Birmingham & Fazeley canal, because the monorail's in Germany and that canal isn't.

[Pat Mustard]

All this talk of monorails and cable cars is just ridiculous.  There is only one sensible solution as far as I can see - use the canals to accommodate a fleet of hovercraft.

[gpbarr]

Realistically if they are actually serious about increasing capacity, they will likely (and sadly) have to look away from Villa Park. The transport inflexibility is a huge problem that won’t be solved by hair brained ideas like cable cars.  It’s a beautiful shrine to football in the middle of a housing estate with as bad transport links as any in the professional game.

Everton had the same problem - as did Arsenal. Something will have to give in the end.

[dave.woodhall]

Realistically if they are actually serious about increasing capacity, they will likely (and sadly) have to look away from Villa Park. The transport inflexibility is a huge problem that won’t be solved by hair brained ideas like cable cars.  It’s a beautiful shrine to football in the middle of a housing estate with as bad transport links as any in the professional game.

Everton had the same problem - as did Arsenal. Something will have to give in the end.

I'm starting to think that's the only alternative. I doubt Messrs McGregor and Ramsay would have let sentiment stand in the way of progress.

[Clampy]

All this talk of monorails and cable cars is just ridiculous.  There is only one sensible solution as far as I can see - use the canals to accommodate a fleet of hovercraft.

What if your hovercraft was full of eels?

[The Edge]

All this talk of monorails and cable cars is just ridiculous.  There is only one sensible solution as far as I can see - use the canals to accommodate a fleet of hovercraft.

Damn it I wrote that out earlier and forgot to press send. But my idea included a canal extention to Villa Park from the Swan & Mitre. Great minds think alike eh Pat?

[The Edge]

All this talk of monorails and cable cars is just ridiculous.  There is only one sensible solution as far as I can see - use the canals to accommodate a fleet of hovercraft.

What if your hovercraft was full of eels?

You could fry them up and sell them of. Better than some of the burgers you get around Villa Park.

[Lastfootstamper]

Given that the pinkos at NASA aren't letting us use the teleport technology we all know they've secretly got anytime soon, can I suggest cannons? Easy to install in any small to medium sized garden or communal outdoor space, string a net between the roofs of the four stands (providing a much-needed shot in the arm to our local net making industry), kablammo, all there in moments, minimal congestion. Perhaps one of the so-called "scientists" could fill us in on the carbon footprint, if any, of circus gunpowder.

Frankly, I'm struggling to see a downside.

[Risso]

Realistically if they are actually serious about increasing capacity, they will likely (and sadly) have to look away from Villa Park. The transport inflexibility is a huge problem that won’t be solved by hair brained ideas like cable cars.  It’s a beautiful shrine to football in the middle of a housing estate with as bad transport links as any in the professional game.

Everton had the same problem - as did Arsenal. Something will have to give in the end.

I'm starting to think that's the only alternative. I doubt Messrs McGregor and Ramsay would have let sentiment stand in the way of progress.

I agree Dave.

If we take Everton as an example, they were told that due to lack of availability of land, they'd have to build it out of town and so were looking at a site in Kirkby, on the other side of the M57 about 6 miles out of the city centre.  After a lot of opposition from fans, they did a deal and are now moving to the new site on the docks, a mile or two out of the city centre. They've got the area's World Heritage status to deal with as well.

It's difficult to see how you can get round a lot of Villa Park's inherent problems. It's always going to have a row of houses on one side, and a Grade I listed historic house and its park on the other. It's always going to be surrounded by streets that are too narrow for the volume of cars, and there's never going to be enough pubs/restaurants around to dilute people arriving and leaving en masse.

[Lastfootstamper]

So, "no" to cannons, then?