Quote from: KRS on July 29, 2019, 12:13:16 PMWhat’s the current capacity of the North Stand and would it’s replacement be sufficient to add another 8000 seats to take us to 50,000? Not sure how long building works would take but I presume capacity would be reduced to approx 35,000 for at least half a season with only 3 stands open?North Stand 7,086Witton Lane Stand 9,081Trinity Road Stand 12,954Holte End 13,472
What’s the current capacity of the North Stand and would it’s replacement be sufficient to add another 8000 seats to take us to 50,000? Not sure how long building works would take but I presume capacity would be reduced to approx 35,000 for at least half a season with only 3 stands open?
A shiny new 60k seat stadium isn't happening anytime soon. The owners will want to see us as a consolidated PL side before they even consider it in my opinion. The most likely compromise is the rebuilding of the NS , which needs doing as a matter of urgency.
I am sure I read that the Holte was the largest free standing end in European football?
Quote from: robbo1874 on July 29, 2019, 12:01:32 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 29, 2019, 11:25:43 AMQuote from: robbo1874 on July 29, 2019, 10:48:58 AMShort-medium term, redevelopment of the north stand seems the obvious choice to me. Existing planning permission in place, build could be done without too much fuss and I think 53,000 capacity would be plenty. let’s worry about complete re-builds/ moving, when we’ve filled a 53,000 ground for a few years.How many years, after a multi-million pound construction project, would you need to wait for the expense of that development to not look like a massive waste of money?lets be realistic for minute. Most agree we probably need a bigger ground, or may do soon. We can add 10000+ to the ground, relatively easily and cheaply. City centre site and new 60000 ground is a whole different proposition. Spurs new ground on a site they presumably already owned cost 1bn and their fans are now having to pay eye watering prices for season tickets.Exactly. Even factoring in the lower building costs in Brum, you'd be doing incredibly well to get that for half the price. Which at £500 million is a colossal amount for any set of owners to take on. Liverpool's new stand just on its own was £110 million. I don't think it's unreasonable that they might want to take their time and make sure the numbers stack up.
Quote from: paul_e on July 29, 2019, 11:25:43 AMQuote from: robbo1874 on July 29, 2019, 10:48:58 AMShort-medium term, redevelopment of the north stand seems the obvious choice to me. Existing planning permission in place, build could be done without too much fuss and I think 53,000 capacity would be plenty. let’s worry about complete re-builds/ moving, when we’ve filled a 53,000 ground for a few years.How many years, after a multi-million pound construction project, would you need to wait for the expense of that development to not look like a massive waste of money?lets be realistic for minute. Most agree we probably need a bigger ground, or may do soon. We can add 10000+ to the ground, relatively easily and cheaply. City centre site and new 60000 ground is a whole different proposition. Spurs new ground on a site they presumably already owned cost 1bn and their fans are now having to pay eye watering prices for season tickets.
Quote from: robbo1874 on July 29, 2019, 10:48:58 AMShort-medium term, redevelopment of the north stand seems the obvious choice to me. Existing planning permission in place, build could be done without too much fuss and I think 53,000 capacity would be plenty. let’s worry about complete re-builds/ moving, when we’ve filled a 53,000 ground for a few years.How many years, after a multi-million pound construction project, would you need to wait for the expense of that development to not look like a massive waste of money?
Short-medium term, redevelopment of the north stand seems the obvious choice to me. Existing planning permission in place, build could be done without too much fuss and I think 53,000 capacity would be plenty. let’s worry about complete re-builds/ moving, when we’ve filled a 53,000 ground for a few years.
I would expect a new North Stand to be a wrap around from the Trinity so it should be able to boost capacity to 50k. If further expansion is required then this would form a horseshoe with the Witton being rebuilt. The current Holte and Trinity are fine as they are, and they could be significantly improved with more modern catering and toilet facilities.
Under Lerner I saw the actual plans for two options of a wrap-around North Stand. There was only about 2000 seat difference between the two options, they were also roughly costed to circa £60m.I just sense with the new ownership they might want to take the club to next level and have the resources to do it.If Villa Park is to be redeveloped I think it will be the start of a 20 year plan to shift the stadium back 20 metres to use the space behind the North Stand. The Trinity was built so it could be extended at the North End - so this would help in that respect.But the new stadium option is an interesting one, not just for us, but the city too. Yes it would be ours and but called Villa Park - but it could host all sorts of other events that currently by-pass Birmingham.A lot of the new MLS stadiums are built close to the centre of cities, the new LAFC one for example and supporter facilities are light years ahead of what we currently have to endure at Villa Park.
The idea of a new stadium on the old Wholesale Markets site is a non-starter. The reason for moving the markets is to open up the area to re-link Digbeth and Highgate to the centre so that residential areas can be built (see 'The Big City Plan'). The Planners are not going to accept a massive stadium blocking what they are trying to create. Any new major stadium will have to be built outside the inner ring road.
I know it's the NSWE Investment thread, but would it be possible to add a poll regarding what people prefer regarding leaving Villa Park/staying and redeveloping etc?
Quote from: Axl Rose on July 29, 2019, 02:42:23 PMI know it's the NSWE Investment thread, but would it be possible to add a poll regarding what people prefer regarding leaving Villa Park/staying and redeveloping etc?Added a poll.