How would you feel....

[aj2k77]

Put it this way, we seem to be spending £20m per season now. I cannot for the life of me see why he would go and buy another 7 or so players next summer window, we have decent numbers right now, so the only logical purchases would be first teamers in the weakest positions. Add to it the Benteke bonanza we should receive £20m+ and that's a considerable war chest making it make or break for Lambert next year, assuming we stay up.

[paul_e]

Lambert went for the youth option, getting rid of a bunch of the older players and then intending to use the rest whilst the youngsters got up to speed.  Unfortunately those senior players let us down again and it was the kids who kept us in the league.

I think they went down that route as it's cheaper than buying proper first team players. This "young and hungry" thing is just a clever way of saying we're doing things on the cheap.

£43m over 3 windows isn't cheap.  The wages might be an argument but really most of of us have no idea on the wage budget or the wages given to most of the new signings.  I'd suggest we've given out something around 120-150k a week across the 7 signings in the summer.  If that's right then we could look at 3 £7m signings on 40-60k a week, which is exactly the right market from now.

[eastie]

Lambert went for the youth option, getting rid of a bunch of the older players and then intending to use the rest whilst the youngsters got up to speed.  Unfortunately those senior players let us down again and it was the kids who kept us in the league.

I think they went down that route as it's cheaper than buying proper first team players. This "young and hungry" thing is just a clever way of saying we're doing things on the cheap.

£43m over 3 windows isn't cheap.  The wages might be an argument but really most of of us have no idea on the wage budget or the wages given to most of the new signings.  I'd suggest we've given out something around 120-150k a week across the 7 signings in the summer.  If that's right then we could look at 3 £7m signings on 40-60k a week, which is exactly the right market from now.

Yes we need to be looking for quality not quantity from now on .

[paul_e]

Lambert went for the youth option, getting rid of a bunch of the older players and then intending to use the rest whilst the youngsters got up to speed.  Unfortunately those senior players let us down again and it was the kids who kept us in the league.

I think they went down that route as it's cheaper than buying proper first team players. This "young and hungry" thing is just a clever way of saying we're doing things on the cheap.

£43m over 3 windows isn't cheap.  The wages might be an argument but really most of of us have no idea on the wage budget or the wages given to most of the new signings.  I'd suggest we've given out something around 120-150k a week across the 7 signings in the summer.  If that's right then we could look at 3 £7m signings on 40-60k a week, which is exactly the right market from now.

Yes we need to be looking for quality not quantity from now on .

and we therefore should give Lambert the time to do so.

[brian green]

The post I made earlier that another year and a half of Lambert and the sort of fare which has been served us over the last four seasons seems to have been misinterpreted as me wanting Lambert to go.   That is not the case and I have made at least four or five posts since the Stoke game saying very clearly that sacking Lambert would be pointless basically because the mind set at the top of the club is wrong and negative.

When I say that a year and a half more of what is presently Aston Villa would be more than flesh and blood could stand it does not mean that Lambert will be going it means I will be going.   Simple as.

[eastie]

The post I made earlier that another year and a half of Lambert and the sort of fare which has been served us over the last four seasons seems to have been misinterpreted as me wanting Lambert to go.   That is not the case and I have made at least four or five posts since the Stoke game saying very clearly that sacking Lambert would be pointless basically because the mind set at the top of the club is wrong and negative.

When I say that a year and a half more of what is presently Aston Villa would be more than flesh and blood could stand it does not mean that Lambert will be going it means I will be going.   Simple as.

Sorry to hear that Brian but can understand your reasons.

[Isa]

One of our biggest issues by far is that our number one striker hasn't scored for months, if Benteke had been in any sort of form this conversation wouldn't be happening.

And he spent a big chunk of his budget on Kozak to provide genuine competition to Benteke for this exact situation. So that is no excuse at all.

[paul_e]

One of our biggest issues by far is that our number one striker hasn't scored for months, if Benteke had been in any sort of form this conversation wouldn't be happening.

And he spent a big chunk of his budget on Kozak to provide genuine competition to Benteke for this exact situation. So that is no excuse at all.

and in terms of goalscoring he's largely been vindicated in that.  However losing a player who was one of the best strikers in europe to injury and/or bad form would harm pretty much any team unless someone else steps up and plays beyond expectations for a while.  The issue is Gabby and Weimann have both had niggles and struggled to have an impact as well.

[Chris Smith]

One of our biggest issues by far is that our number one striker hasn't scored for months, if Benteke had been in any sort of form this conversation wouldn't be happening.

And he spent a big chunk of his budget on Kozak to provide genuine competition to Benteke for this exact situation. So that is no excuse at all.

Very simplistic, we all know that it can take players months to adapt to English football and so to expect him to step straight in and perform is unrealistic.

Injuries have killed us really, as we've had no consistency in election and new signings have had had little time to acclimatise. I know all sides have them but we have been particularly unfortunate this season.

[PaulWinch again]

I don't like the phrase 'must win' unless it's literally mathematically must win. However Crystal Palace on the back of three defeats conceding 7 and scoring 1 is pretty much 'must win'.

[TonyD]

Lose the next two games and he wil go. 

I can't see him going if we lost the next 5 to be honest , I would dispense with his services if we did lose the next 2 home games but I really can't see randy lerner sacking him 

I want him to stay but no points from the next two games at home could bring change. 

[ChicagoLion]

Lose the next two games and he wil go. 

I can't see him going if we lost the next 5 to be honest , I would dispense with his services if we did lose the next 2 home games but I really can't see randy lerner sacking him 

I want him to stay but no points from the next two games at home could bring change. 

Lets face it if that happens he should be sacked.

[Charlie8182]

Lambert went for the youth option, getting rid of a bunch of the older players and then intending to use the rest whilst the youngsters got up to speed.  Unfortunately those senior players let us down again and it was the kids who kept us in the league.

I think they went down that route as it's cheaper than buying proper first team players. This "young and hungry" thing is just a clever way of saying we're doing things on the cheap.

Since when was it necessary to add the word 'hungry' into the equation, its as if the young players which have been brought in are somehow hungrier than other young players who play for other clubs; its total bullsh*t.

[Monty]

Lambert went for the youth option, getting rid of a bunch of the older players and then intending to use the rest whilst the youngsters got up to speed.  Unfortunately those senior players let us down again and it was the kids who kept us in the league.

I think they went down that route as it's cheaper than buying proper first team players. This "young and hungry" thing is just a clever way of saying we're doing things on the cheap.

Since when was it necessary to add the word 'hungry' into the equation, its as if the young players which have been brought in are somehow hungrier than other young players who play for other clubs; its total bullsh*t.

See: Warnock, Stephen; Dunne, Richard; Collins, James; Ireland, Stephen vol. I-XX.

[ozzjim]

Lose the next two games and he wil go. 

I can't see him going if we lost the next 5 to be honest , I would dispense with his services if we did lose the next 2 home games but I really can't see randy lerner sacking him 

I want him to stay but no points from the next two games at home could bring change. 

Lets face it if that happens he should be sacked.

If he lost the next 2, even in the pro keeping him stable, with Sunderland away, Arsenal home and Liverpool away the next 3, it would be really bleak. It would also end the argument that despite performances we have improved points wise, as 4 points from those 2 home games would give us a cushion on last seasons tally to the tune of about 5.

As much as I like him, lose them both and I could totally understand the chairman pulling the trigger. It would be 5 straight defeats, 4 of which you would have expected us to compete for points in and United in their worst state for 20 years.