Dalian Atkinson

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Oh, so it's ok for you to quote NWA lyrics, but when somebody else quotes (an infinitely superior) track, its pathetic? Or did you mean the assessment of your view, based on your own admission that you have no evidence to support your conclusion, that a murder has taken place? Or maybe both?

Pathetic is generalizing a whole group of people based on the actions of a single person or small group. You massive racist. You must be a racist as you're a Villa fan and 20 or so Villa fans were being racist at Norwich ergo you're racist and something something something Ice Cube or maybe Dr Dre.

[bob]

The same evidence everyone who has entered this thread has seen.

Which is insufficient to charge him with murder, which is why that was a discussion on here.

No, I'm pointing out what's been said in the thread. If you think you can find a post defending the policeman in this then good luck but otherwise all this little exchange serves is to show that I, and numerous other people who have called you out, have a much better understanding of this thread than you do.

No that is solely your, incorrect, analysis.

Again no, it's based on the views shared in the thread.

Given you told me to read it these 2 posts seem to show that you have very little understanding of what's been said in here.

Clearly not insufficient to charge him with murder

Given that he has been charged with murder

[Risso]

This is all pretty unseemly and therefore disrespectful to Dalian's memory I reckon.

[bob]

Oh, so it's ok for you to quote NWA lyrics, but when somebody else quotes (an infinitely superior) track, its pathetic? Or did you mean the assessment of your view, based on your own admission that you have no evidence to support your conclusion, that a murder has taken place? Or maybe both?

Pathetic is generalizing a whole group of people based on the actions of a single person or small group. You massive racist. You must be a racist as you're a Villa fan and 20 or so Villa fans were being racist at Norwich ergo you're racist and something something something Ice Cube or maybe Dr Dre.

Oh, so it's ok for you to quote NWA lyrics, but when somebody else quotes (an infinitely superior) track, its pathetic? Or did you mean the assessment of your view, based on your own admission that you have no evidence to support your conclusion, that a murder has taken place? Or maybe both?

Pathetic is generalizing a whole group of people based on the actions of a single person or small group. You massive racist. You must be a racist as you're a Villa fan and 20 or so Villa fans were being racist at Norwich ergo you're racist and something something something Ice Cube or maybe Dr Dre.

ok boomer

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You've used that one before. You use a lot of words that you dont appear to understand. Here's some Latin that you wont riddle; what evidence have you seen that leads you to conclude that the officer had the requisite mens rea for murder?

You haven't, is the short answer. So stop the sub judice and let justice be done.

[paul_e]

The evidence is in public domain

Details of Dalian's death are not hard to find

Nor are details of his physical and mental health

Do I have to wait for The Crown to tell me what happened?

Am I allowed to make.my.own assessment?

Are you honestly this thick? Details of his death are easy to find, correct, can you you use those details to ensure a conviction of murder? Do you even understand the distinction between murder and manslaughter?

Once more, because you're clearly struggling, by charging him with murder the review has clearly found enough evidence to think they have a chance of getting that conviction, or the charge would've been manslaughter. Most people would've expected that as the highest charge in this case so there is clearly something no one on this thread has seen which makes the actions of the officer worse.

As for the bold bit, you do if you have any belief in the criminal justice system, it's kinda the point.

[paul_e]

For fuck sake Bob, you have me and Ads agreeing now.

[bob]

You massive racist. You must be a racist as you're a Villa fan and 20 or so Villa fans were being racist at Norwich ergo you're racist and something something something Ice Cube or maybe Dr Dre.

You need help.

[bob]

You've used that one before. You use a lot of words that you dont appear to understand. Here's some Latin that you wont riddle; what evidence have you seen that leads you to conclude that the officer had the requisite mens rea for murder?

You haven't, is the short answer. So stop the sub judice and let justice be done.

The evidence is in public domain

Details of Dalian's death are not hard to find

Nor are details of his physical and mental health

Do I have to wait for The Crown to tell me what happened?

Am I allowed to make.my.own assessment?

Are you honestly this thick? Details of his death are easy to find, correct, can you you use those details to ensure a conviction of murder? Do you even understand the distinction between murder and manslaughter?

Once more, because you're clearly struggling, by charging him with murder the review has clearly found enough evidence to think they have a chance of getting that conviction, or the charge would've been manslaughter. Most people would've expected that as the highest charge in this case so there is clearly something no one on this thread has seen which makes the actions of the officer worse.

As for the bold bit, you do if you have any belief in the criminal justice system, it's kinda the point.

You whole analysis naive in the extreme

[Ads]

For fuck sake Bob, you have me and Ads agreeing now.

It's a sign of the Rapture. Quick hide Sexual Ealing before God shows up!

[Legion]

He was killed. Not necessarily murdered.

[paul_e]

You whole analysis naive in the extreme

In the dummies guide to debate you used did it not cover the idea that you need to provide counter-arguments and evidence? So far your contribution has been "fuck the police", "he was murdered" and lots of psycho-babble that you're not even using properly. So how about answering some of the many questions you've ignored.

Can you see anyone on the thread defending the police officer or suggesting the charge is unfair?
Can you confirm if you believe in the idea of a codified justice system?
Can you provide links to evidence which shows, without doubt, that a murder was committed? (as a subset of this can you explain the difference between murder and manslaughter?)
Can you provide evidence of anyone here arguing against police malpractice?
Can you explain how an internal review finding evidence leading to a charge of murder against an officer makes this an example of an instituitional problem?
Can you understand that the previous question in no way suggests that I, or anyone else, is denying that the police have problems?
Can you understand that, the very best outcome of an attitude of 'fuck the police' is an extension of the problems and that it serves no purpose nor does it have any place on a thread about the incredibly sad death of a much loved former Villa player?

[Legion]

Well said, Paul.

[Malandro]

Well said, Paul.

Echo that.

[Sexual Ealing]

For fuck sake Bob, you have me and Ads agreeing now.

It's a sign of the Rapture. Quick hide Sexual Ealing before God shows up!

The last thing I need right now is a fucking Rapture. Fuck's sake.