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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: tomd2103 on September 20, 2012, 12:09:41 AM
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Was having a look at some old Villa clips earlier and came across these two videos. They show some of the goals Dalian scored for Villa:
A real character, who had it all as a striker and on his day was unplayable. Everyone remembers the goal against Wimbledon, but the two goals at Hillsborough that same season still stand out for me. Shame we only saw the best of him for such a short space of time.
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Could have been a world beater but couldn't be arsed.
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waster!
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Had so much talent, but unfortunately not the application to go with it. Recall reading big Rons book in which he said to Dalian at start of the season he can emulate Shearer in the scoring stakes and play for England. The reply was you pay me what he gets and I will. Another story big Ron told was when Dalian was at the Turkish club (cant remember which) and they were playing game against their biggest rivals. The chairman said to Dalian he would give him a top of the range Merc if he got a hat trick. Dalian got the hat trick in first 15 minutes and couldnt be arsed for the rest of the game. That said, I still think we would have won the league under big Ron if he had not got injured when he was doing so well. As for his goals, I was there in the peeing rain at Selhurst Park v Wimbledon and it was a great goal
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Atkinson is just another player in a list of under achievers we've had at the club. Majestic when he fancied it, infuriating when he didn't. Had he had half of Saunders work ethic he'd have been world class.
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The goal against Wimbledon was a thing of beauty.
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A shame he didn't have the right attitude and application because he certainly had the ability to be a top top player.
Still he was resposible for two of the finest goal celebrations I've ever had. The equalising goal against Tranmere and the first in the final against Man U. It took me til half time to finally get back to where I was supposed to be sitting. The old man thought I'd cleared off for a pint but I'd just launch myself over all the benches that we the seats in those days and ended up about 20 rows from where I started. Awesome
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Could so easily have been the best striker to come out of England - i kid you not
He had absolutely everything, the only player i have seen akin to him was Henry in his pomp but regrettably had an attitude to match
sad waste of a talent
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Yep,more natural ability than any of his peers,but liked the lifestyle and pies too much. Stored in the 'What could've been file' with Collymore.
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Does anyone know the guy with the brolly who came on for the goal at Wimbledon?
(not Schteve McLaren)
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Dalian aka sicknote had bucketfuls of talent and when he could be arsed was fantastic to watch. I recall doing the double over ManU in the cup and league in one week (Deano scored in the cup) and the Witton Lane was full of Mancs for the cup game. Shame he never fulfilled his potential. They were great days back then and that team Big Ron assembled was great entertainment to watch.
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On his day he was unstoppable. Unfortunately, there weren't that many days.
I was at both Sheff Wed and Wimbledon in 92/93 to witness 3 tremendous goals and who knows what could have been achieved that season if he'd have stayed fit. Together, him and Deano were great.
Special mention for his last minute header against Tranmere to force extra time at Villa Park. Possibly the most I've ever wanted us to score in all my years watching Villa. Anyone else remember his mazy run in the last minute of extra time in the same game ? He beat about 3 or 4 and was finally stopped by a tackle in the penalty area if memory serves me well.
Would have brought the house down if he'd of scored.
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Does anyone know the guy with the brolly who came on for the goal at Wimbledon?
(not Schteve McLaren)
Rioch. From Stourbridge.
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Cheers Dave
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Two at Hillsborough were brilliant, also remember him saying that Big Ron had asked him to play a deeper role that day, only for Ron to suggest Dalian was a on a different planet (not in the footballing sense either). Does anyone else remeber that? Maybe it was just me!
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On his day he was unstoppable. Unfortunately, there weren't that many days.
I was at both Sheff Wed and Wimbledon in 92/93 to witness 3 tremendous goals and who knows what could have been achieved that season if he'd have stayed fit. Together, him and Deano were great.
Special mention for his last minute header against Tranmere to force extra time at Villa Park. Possibly the most I've ever wanted us to score in all my years watching Villa. Anyone else remember his mazy run in the last minute of extra time in the same game ? He beat about 3 or 4 and was finally stopped by a tackle in the penalty area if memory serves me well.
Would have brought the house down if he'd of scored.
Always thought his goal in the last few minutes of the first leg of that semi-final was the most important one of that tie. Don't think we would have come back from 3-0 down, but that goal gave us some hope for the second leg.
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It was a cracking volley as well.
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Where is he now??
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Probably at an all you can eat restaurant.
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All of the above, will always be one of my favourite players. Scored a goal at The Nou Camp to die for, made Koeman look like a right mug.
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What a waste of talent. How I would love to have had 10% of the talent this guy had. He should have swapped 50% of his talent for 50% more commitment and he would have been a world beater. When he could be bothered he was brilliant. Him and Collymore are peas in a pod.
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Great memories, great player and a great waste of potential
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When we signed him, his 1st game was against Wens at Hillsborough.I asked 2 old Wens fans in the pub if he was any good, they said "better than Shearer", and on his day he was.Most talented player i ever saw down VP.
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Dalian aka sicknote had bucketfuls of talent and when he could be arsed was fantastic to watch. I recall doing the double over ManU in the cup and league in one week (Deano scored in the cup) and the Witton Lane was full of Mancs for the cup game. Shame he never fulfilled his potential. They were great days back then and that team Big Ron assembled was great entertainment to watch.
That got me thinking and in all my time going down the Villa the only occasions I remember an away side filling the whole Witton Lane stand was the that United game and Juventus. As for Dalian, I used to know a bloke who 'pimped his ride' for him about twenty years ago. My memory is a bit hazy but the gist of it was Dalian used to go in every week to see what else he could have done. After having every possible audio, visual and gaming gadget of the time fitted along with numerous speakers the guy had to say to tell him that as much as he was happy to take his money there was nothing else he could have fitted along with the fact there was no room left in the car.
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Dalian aka sicknote had bucketfuls of talent and when he could be arsed was fantastic to watch. I recall doing the double over ManU in the cup and league in one week (Deano scored in the cup) and the Witton Lane was full of Mancs for the cup game. Shame he never fulfilled his potential. They were great days back then and that team Big Ron assembled was great entertainment to watch.
That got me thinking and in all my time going down the Villa the only occasions I remember an away side filling the whole Witton Lane stand was the that United game and Juventus. As for Dalian, I used to know a bloke who 'pimped his ride' for him about twenty years ago. My memory is a bit hazy but the gist of it was Dalian used to go in every week to see what else he could have done. After having every possible audio, visual and gaming gadget of the time fitted along with numerous speakers the guy had to say to tell him that as much as he was happy to take his money there was nothing else he could have fitted along with the fact there was no room left in the car.
Liverpool FA Cup Jan '88, the Witton was full of Scousers (and people from Shropshire). It was due to the cup allocation rules I think.
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The Rainman Goal will stay with me forever.
Funnily enough there was an article in this weeks programme about "Rainman"
He is 59 now and returns every 10th anniversary of dalians goal to B6 with a brolly
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Dalian aka sicknote had bucketfuls of talent and when he could be arsed was fantastic to watch. I recall doing the double over ManU in the cup and league in one week (Deano scored in the cup) and the Witton Lane was full of Mancs for the cup game. Shame he never fulfilled his potential. They were great days back then and that team Big Ron assembled was great entertainment to watch.
That got me thinking and in all my time going down the Villa the only occasions I remember an away side filling the whole Witton Lane stand was the that United game and Juventus. As for Dalian, I used to know a bloke who 'pimped his ride' for him about twenty years ago. My memory is a bit hazy but the gist of it was Dalian used to go in every week to see what else he could have done. After having every possible audio, visual and gaming gadget of the time fitted along with numerous speakers the guy had to say to tell him that as much as he was happy to take his money there was nothing else he could have fitted along with the fact there was no room left in the car.
They gave Small Heath the whole of the Witton Lane in a Division 2 game in 1986. The bastards won and started jumping on the pitch 'offering the Holte out' when they scored.
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Dalian aka sicknote had bucketfuls of talent and when he could be arsed was fantastic to watch. I recall doing the double over ManU in the cup and league in one week (Deano scored in the cup) and the Witton Lane was full of Mancs for the cup game. Shame he never fulfilled his potential. They were great days back then and that team Big Ron assembled was great entertainment to watch.
That got me thinking and in all my time going down the Villa the only occasions I remember an away side filling the whole Witton Lane stand was the that United game and Juventus. As for Dalian, I used to know a bloke who 'pimped his ride' for him about twenty years ago. My memory is a bit hazy but the gist of it was Dalian used to go in every week to see what else he could have done. After having every possible audio, visual and gaming gadget of the time fitted along with numerous speakers the guy had to say to tell him that as much as he was happy to take his money there was nothing else he could have fitted along with the fact there was no room left in the car.
They gave Small Heath the whole of the Witton Lane in a Division 2 game in 1986. The bastards won and started jumping on the pitch 'offering the Holte out' when they scored.
Remember, there was a bloody big metal fence keeping us in the Holte. The wankers were soon on their toes outside after the game. Wankers.
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Dalian aka sicknote had bucketfuls of talent and when he could be arsed was fantastic to watch. I recall doing the double over ManU in the cup and league in one week (Deano scored in the cup) and the Witton Lane was full of Mancs for the cup game. Shame he never fulfilled his potential. They were great days back then and that team Big Ron assembled was great entertainment to watch.
That got me thinking and in all my time going down the Villa the only occasions I remember an away side filling the whole Witton Lane stand was the that United game and Juventus. As for Dalian, I used to know a bloke who 'pimped his ride' for him about twenty years ago. My memory is a bit hazy but the gist of it was Dalian used to go in every week to see what else he could have done. After having every possible audio, visual and gaming gadget of the time fitted along with numerous speakers the guy had to say to tell him that as much as he was happy to take his money there was nothing else he could have fitted along with the fact there was no room left in the car.
They gave Small Heath the whole of the Witton Lane in a Division 2 game in 1986. The bastards won and started jumping on the pitch 'offering the Holte out' when they scored.
They didn't have all of it; they had the normal away bit and a couple of hundred of them went into our part. I was a steward in there at that time.
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Was the Karen Brady comment to BFR about having his 'son' play for him fact or fiction?
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That was a dumb idea giving away fans the full Witton. I've always thought north upper left side would be a good place to put them. Well away from the pitch. Newcastle have the right idea.
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Was the Karen Brady comment to BFR about having his 'son' play for him fact or fiction?
Probably one of Rons embellished after dinner tales. Bless him
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Wasn't that comment made by Brady on Frank Skinner's Fantasy Football tv show?
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Hearing some shocking news that Dalian Atkinson may have been killed following a taser incident in Telford last night :(
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Just seen that on Twitter :(
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I heard about the incident but not about who was involved
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A 48 year old man has been killed. Dalian is 48. I hope 2+2 = about 400.
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Good god I hope this isn't true.
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Seems likely.
Scorer of my favourite ever Villa goal...and celebration afterwards with that fan.
Very sad. R.I.P Dalian.
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BBC News link
No name at the moment
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37082207
Any idea how Dalian's name might have become attached to this news ?
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http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/emergency-services/2016/08/15/man-dies-after-being-tasered-by-police-in-telford/
This is about 2 minutes from my house!
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BBC News link
No name at the moment
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37082207
Any idea how Dalian's name might have become attached to this news ?
Free Radio have tweeted that he "has been named locally as former Aston Villa footballer Dalian Atkinson."
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If true this is very sad. 48 is no age to be dying for anyone. I'm not commenting further until have details (as far as the police are concerned). But thanks for the fun times Dalian, scored two great goals at home to West Ham in my first Villa live game in 94 and so many more. RIP.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/taser-death-uk-telford-shropshire-man-dies-police-shot-west-mercia-a7191471.html
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This is awful news
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If this is true it's awful news. He's on the Villa site today as he scored that goal against Wimbledon on this day.
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Jeez that's awful.
Edit, Sky News are now reporting at as Breaking News that it is indeed Dalian.
RIP Holte Ender In The Sky
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If this is true it's awful news. He's on the Villa site today as he scored that goal against Wimbledon on this day.
Wow...that's too tragic.
Just posted it on my FB as a tribute to him...hope I've been premature but named locally dosen't sound good at all.
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Sun now naming Dalian
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1612938/man-dies-after-being-tasered-by-police-in-telford/
FORMER Premier League star Dalian Atkinson is reported to have died after being Tasered by police outside his dad’s home.
The ex Aston Villa and Man City star is said to have gone into cardiac arrest after cops were called in the hours of this morning
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I really hope this isn't true. A tragedy none the less whoever it is but I often replay the Tranmere header when I'm going down my Villa memory lane.
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If this is true it's awful news. He's on the Villa site today as he scored that goal against Wimbledon on this day.
Wow...that's too tragic.
Just posted it on my FB as a tribute to him...hope I've been premature but named locally dosen't sound good at all.
Should have waited till it was confirmed really.
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The official line is that police cannot confirm or deny reports of identity as yet. Let's also remember that whoever it is, someone has died in what appears to be tragic circumstances.
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If this is true it's awful news. He's on the Villa site today as he scored that goal against Wimbledon on this day.
Wow...that's too tragic.
Just posted it on my FB as a tribute to him...hope I've been premature but named locally dosen't sound good at all.
Should have waited till it was confirmed really.
Sky News just have
Update - 48-year-old man who died after he was tasered by police in Telford has been named as former Aston Villa footballer Dalian Atkinson
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Yep several media reporting it now, would imagine the club are preparing a statement as we type.
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Dreadful, awful news
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My first Villa hero. Absolutely loved him.
So sad. Rest in Peace, Dalian.
This is a tragedy.
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Thank you Dalian for being a part of one of the best, and most entertaining, Villa sides of my lifetime. Thank you above everything for that wonderful unforgettable day at Wembley in 1994.
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Awful news. Scorer of the most spectacular goals in my time as a Villa fan. R.I.P.
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Dalian is a Trench lad. Sad news indeed.
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Gutted. RIP Dalian
In shock
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Where it happened is a 'bit rough' no idea why he would be there.
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Just dreadful news. Thoroughly depressed now. RIP, Dalian.
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Where it happened is a 'bit rough' no idea why he would be there.
One of the reports said it was his Dad's home.
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I just can't put it into words. For the first time ever I'm speechless.
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Where it happened is a 'bit rough' no idea why he would be there.
One of the reports said it was his Dad's home.
I knew he was from round here, but didn't know his family lived in that street.
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I am in deep shock - RIP Dalian, wonderful wonderful talent.
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If this is true it's awful news. He's on the Villa site today as he scored that goal against Wimbledon on this day.
On this day?!
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I grew up with Deano and Dalian. Very sad news. Shocking.
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Fuppin Hell. No age at all.
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Fucking Hell. RIP.
FTP.
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I just can't put it into words. For the first time ever I'm speechless.
This.
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Tragic whoever it was! Dalian went to BRJ school in Telford and is my age, but I can't claim that our paths crossed as kids as I was at different schools in Telford. Hope it's not him, but condolences to whichever family has lost someone!
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Awful news. That's at least 4 of our lads from the late 80's early 90's teams to have gone.
Thanks for the memories, a good player who should have been a great.
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Awful news, I will remember the performance that he put in at Wembley in 94!
Truly shocked by this
RIP
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The worst news. RIP Dalian, thank you. You were a Villa icon.
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This is dreadful, dreadful news. Thoughts are with his nearest and dearest.
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Shocking, horrendous news. Dalian will always have a special place in the pantheon of great Villa strikers.
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Very sad, a really iconic player from the 90s era at the Villa. Great memories of him as a player.
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RIP Dalian, I have many happy memories of him and Deano up front together.
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Holte Ender in the Sky. Scorer of my all time favourite Aston Villa goal.
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If this is true it's awful news. He's on the Villa site today as he scored that goal against Wimbledon on this day.
On this day?!
Yes mate. If you scroll down to the bottom of the Villa site, it's on there.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/
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Shitting hell. I'm shocked. One of my favorites. What a tragic loss.
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If this is true it's awful news. He's on the Villa site today as he scored that goal against Wimbledon on this day.
On this day?!
Yes mate. If you scroll down to the bottom of the Villa site, it's on there.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/
No, it was the goal against Ipswich - our first in the Premier League.
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Wimbledon goal was on 3rd October 1992 I think.
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RIP Big D. You were inconsistent in performance but when you were on it you were unstoppable. That goal against Wimbledon was around October-ish I thought. Along with Birchy one of the first players from my supporting years to die.
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If this is true it's awful news. He's on the Villa site today as he scored that goal against Wimbledon on this day.
On this day?!
Yes mate. If you scroll down to the bottom of the Villa site, it's on there.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/
No, it was the goal against Ipswich - our first in the Premier League.
Very sorry everyone, my mistake.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10537527/dalian-atkinson-former-aston-villa-striker-dies-after-taser-shot
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Terrible news, still consider him the most talented player I've ever seen for Villa, didn't always put a shift in but when he was on his game he was capable of magic.
RIP
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Thank you Dalian, Rest In Peace
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I'm genuinely very upset by this.
That goal. Just that goal.
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I've just watched the Goal of the Season again about ten times. That pause as he decides exactly how he's going to chip the keeper...it gets me every time. But it's made me get quite emotional too. I can't believe it.
RIP Dalian. Thanks so much for the memories.
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I just can't put it into words. For the first time ever I'm speechless.
I'm with Dave on this, completely speechless, sitting in the sun here in Tywyn, being a bit sad about having to go home in a couple of days as back at work a week today, I heard on the 11am news on Smooth Radio about "an incident" but obviously just thought we'd learn about it later and 5 minutes later log on here to see that a topic about Dalian had been started. I wondered if he'd got a new position or something else with us, but I read this very sad news.
First saw him play against us for Ipswich in the League Cup (I think) in 1988 as a 20 year old, was delighted when we signed him and as I'm sure amongst others the goals against Man Utd in the LCF and Tranmere in the SF and Wimbledon will be living in the memories of us all. As previously mentioned, a good player who should've been a great.
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RIP, Dalian; shocked and saddened to hear this news in my adopted County.
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Terrible news for anyone involved - what family does he have?
Will always be quite rightly remembered for "that" goal although I loved his one against Manure in the Final which told me we were going to win...
Thanks Dalian
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How incredibly dreadful is this? For an entire generation of us he provided such great memories and arguably the best goal in the history of our club. An enigma as a player on his day simply outstanding. What a terrible, terrible day. RIP big D.
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RIP big Dalian. Was there for "that" goal at Selhurst park and the 94 cup final. Thanks for the memories and God bless.
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I'm genuinely very upset by this.
That goal. Just that goal.
Not just that one.
The one at Wembley, the ones against Tranmere.
At the tender age of 8 or nine 9 old, the first time I had a number put on the back of my shirt it was his.
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Absolutely awful news. I was a teenager when he was playing for us and absolutely loved him as an skilful, fast, exciting, unpredictable player. Even when he didn't reach the standards we knew he could, he had that bit of mischief and cheekiness about him that made you forgive him.
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1993-94 goals
1992-93 goals
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Awful, awful news. One of my all time favourite ever Villa players. RIP Dalian.
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Unbelievable.
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I'm genuinely very upset by this.
That goal. Just that goal.
Not just that one.
The one at Wembley, the ones against Tranmere.
At the tender age of 8 or nine 9 old, the first time I had a number put on the back of my shirt it was his.
The one against Sheffield United, the opening day at Hillsborough. Did he ever score a tap-in?
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Speechless.
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(http://i1.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article7880526.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Dalian-Atkinson-revels-in-the-excitement-while-Wimbledon-goalkeeper-Hans-Segers-looks-forlorn.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/01/article-2570877-1BF07CA800000578-365_634x405.jpg)
(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article375442.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Atko.jpg)
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Gutted
RIP Dalian one of my first heroes so sad.
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Whenever I picture Atktinson in my minds eye, he's hanging in the air in front of the Holte, for what seems like an eternity waiting for Daley's cross to reach him in that Tranmere semi final, then a half a second later it's in the net and the most amazing scenes of pandemonium and feelings of almost delirium.
To say it's a shocker is an understatement. If Dave W. is lost for words, then that says it all.
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Unbelievable , loved him and had " deadly duo" villa t shirt for years with pics of him and deano on. Up in the midlands ready for tomoz game with excited expectant atmosphere. This terrible event has certainly changed the mood now. God bless
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Fuck off, this can't be true. My all time favourite Villa player, the lad had it all and could have been up there with the greats. I went home and away to every game in 94, and that League Cup run has so many marvellous memories. I feel absolutely gutted at this news, it's just devastating.
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He scored some absolute blinders. I barely missed a game, home or away in this period and Dalian was superb to watch. Made you tear your hair out at times because you knew if he fancied it there was no one that could come close on their day.
I loved everything about that team.
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R.I.P. Dalian. Genuinely shocked.
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Stunned and truly upset at this news.
Lucky enough to spend a whole day with him and the squad when I won an evening mail competition 94-95 pre season, very attentive, joking around with me.
All of my best Villa memories were around Dalian as a teenager, my first ever away game at Anfield 94, Dalian scored amongst all of the others mentioned today.
My hero.
RIP Big man.
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Sad news. I think the Tranmere goal is my favourite in 94 as that gave just a sliver of hope before the second leg. The chip against Wimbledon should be remembered as one of the best goals ever seen in the Premier league. A really talented player in his day and unplayable when he was on it.
Shame the picture below also shows Les Sealey as well who died young.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/01/article-2570877-1BF07CA800000578-365_634x405.jpg)
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So sad. Thanks for the memories Dalian.
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Whenever I picture Atktinson in my minds eye, he's hanging in the air in front of the Holte, for what seems like an eternity waiting for Daley's cross to reach him in that Tranmere semi final, then a half a second later it's in the net and the most amazing scenes of pandemonium and feelings of almost delirium.
A shared memory. I was right in line to that header on the Trinity side of the Holte, knew immediately it was in. Amazing run at the end nearly won it too.
So many great memories. Stunned.
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Awful news - was at selhurst that day and at all the other games mentioned - RIP
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Devastated
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Whenever I picture Atktinson in my minds eye, he's hanging in the air in front of the Holte, for what seems like an eternity waiting for Daley's cross to reach him in that Tranmere semi final, then a half a second later it's in the net and the most amazing scenes of pandemonium and feelings of almost delirium.
That's mine to. I think he hung there for 30 seconds at least. Then there was that mazey run in extra time which would have produced the goal of ever..since football began had he scored. He above anybody else is the player who won us that League Cup in '94.
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The signing
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Horrible news. Really sad. my first season ticket was in 1991. Dad brought it for me not long after Deadly D signed. Was at the Tranmere games and the Man Utd final. Fantastic memories as a Villa fan growing up and remains one of my heroes. Devastated.
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A man with tremendous talent was Dalian.
Condolences to his family at this difficult time.
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Just heard the awful news on the radio, so tragic and sad, shocking. I was at Wimbledon for that goal and will never forget it, as well as the Tranmere semi and LC Final. Any Villa fan who remembers that time will remember Dalian fondly and will be very sad today. I hope the club honours his memory and his contribution with appropriate respect. Thanks for the memories Dalian, RIP.
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very sad news
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Don't know what to say...
I was at the Wimbledon game. One of the finest goals I ever saw..I think he scored at Boro as well the week before.
RIP Dalian .. you will never be forgotten...
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Whenever I picture Atktinson in my minds eye, he's hanging in the air in front of the Holte, for what seems like an eternity waiting for Daley's cross to reach him in that Tranmere semi final, then a half a second later it's in the net and the most amazing scenes of pandemonium and feelings of almost delirium.
That's mine to. I think he hung there for 30 seconds at least. Then there was that mazey run in extra time which would have produced the goal of ever..since football began had he scored. He above anybody else is the player who won us that League Cup in '94.
Remember it all too readily especially as a number of us on the left side of the Holte were suggesting using industrial language that he should have been substituted in the previous half hour or so.
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Awful news and like everyone else, genuinely shocked.
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Sad news. I think the Tranmere goal is my favourite in 94 as that gave just a sliver of hope before the second leg. The chip against Wimbledon should be remembered as one of the best goals ever seen in the Premier league. A really talented player in his day and unplayable when he was on it.
Shame the picture below also shows Les Sealey as well who died young.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/01/article-2570877-1BF07CA800000578-365_634x405.jpg)
The importance of that late goal in the away leg cannot be understated, it was a typical Dalian Atkinson goal, and 1-3 was so different to what 0-3 would have been. Even though they'd beat us 3-1, I remember the look of disappointment on the Tranmere players' faces at full time because of that goal.
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Thank you Dalian for being a part of one of the best, and most entertaining, Villa sides of my lifetime. Thank you above everything for that wonderful unforgettable day at Wembley in 1994.
yep
I borrowed this for facebook ....
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Anyone remember the goal he scored against us for Ipswich? I remember thinking then, what a player, we should get him.
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That goal against Tranmere and the ensuing Holte End terrace melee is still my favourite football moment ever.
RIP Dalian.
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RIP Dalian....
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Dalian Atkinson, his name alone reminds me of a time when supporting Villa was fun. It's such sad news. Poor Dalian and his family.
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Watching those goals again, christ he could finish couldn't he. Such a powerful forward.
What a talent he was.
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In 1992-93 he'd got 11 league goals by November plus a couple more in the Coca-Cola, got injured and was never the same when he came back with a few games to go. I wonder whether he'd have sustained that form long term had it not been for the injury. 1993-94 in many ways I think we saw even more spectacular stuff but spread a bit more thinly, he managed eight league goals by January and didn't get another one until November the following season. In the cups though he was unstoppable and those goals vs Tranmere and Man United were crucial and make him rightly so a legend in my eyes. We debate legend but anyone in a Villa jersey who contributes to a cup win is a great as far I am concerned. Dion Dublin might have played more games and scored more goals - and arguably put in more effort - but I don't hold him in the same esteem. RIP Big D.
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I am utterly lost for words, scorer of many of my favourite goals and a key member of a Villa team that I genuinely loved.
RIP.
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Still cannot quite believe this. He was a great talent and contributed greatly to some of my most treasured Villa memories. As frustratingly inconsistent as he could be, you never knew quite what to expect. The adjective "mercurial" could have been coined for him.
2016 can fucking do one. What a horrible year.
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I've just put Talksport on and heard on the midday news. When they said "an ex Aston Villa striker has died in a taser incident" I was thinking it is probably a former youth player I have never heard of. I was at the Wimbledon game for 'the goal' also recall going to a Q&A evening with Dalian and Deano.
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Anyone remember the goal he scored against us for Ipswich? I remember thinking then, what a player, we should get him.
Yes I do. I think we were 6-0 or 6-1 up at the time but a good strike, bent in off the bar from the edge of the area. Have been searching vain for it on YouTube.
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I can only just echo what has been written here. Brilliant player on his day and part of a magical Villa team when I went home and away without fail.
Thanks for the memories big man.
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RIP Dalian Atkinson Holte Ender in the sky
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Another game that comes to mind is Inter Milan at home in 1994. He didn't score but he scared the shit out of that defence. It was in extra time I think it was he got the ball from a throw in and ran round about 5 defenders before he got tackled or lost the ball in front of the Holte. Always remember Alan Parry getting excited every time he got the ball.
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Very sad indeed. Great player on his day. I hope they pay due respects tomorrow night.
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Has there been any comment from the likes of Big Ron or Deano? His teammates from that era have to be blown away by this.
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Genuinely shocked and saddened by the news. RIP Dalian and thanks for the memories mate.
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Has there been any comment from the likes of Big Ron or Deano? His teammates from that era have to be blown away by this.
I know BFR managed him at two different clubs and Deano always seemed genuinely fond of him in interviews.
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Shocking, terrible news.
RIP Dalian, thanks for so many very happy memories.
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So desperately sad.
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Anyone remember the goal he scored against us for Ipswich? I remember thinking then, what a player, we should get him.
Yes I do. I think we were 6-0 or 6-1 up at the time but a good strike, bent in off the bar from the edge of the area. Have been searching vain for it on YouTube.
Footage from that game was posted in the Villa Memories thread a while back.
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Has there been any comment from the likes of Big Ron or Deano? His teammates from that era have to be blown away by this.
Big Ron said: “This is an out-and-out tragedy.
“He was a really popular player with team-mates. He was a really generous lad – sometimes too generous for his own good – but a good lad.
“He always had a smile on his face and I really like that in a player.
“He also had terrific ability. I always knew I didn’t need to worry about him in big games.”
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Has there been any comment from the likes of Big Ron or Deano? His teammates from that era have to be blown away by this.
God has tweeted that he's rather upset.
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Was that goal at Selhurst our best ever goal? I'd say it probably is.
Talk on twitter of taking umbrellas in to VP (if allowed) tomorrow as a tribute...
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I waited with the angry mob of Wednesday fans for the Villa coach to arrive at Hillsborough for his and BFR's first game. Got talking to a particularly knowledgable Wednesdayite who told me how good he was. "So we've got a bargain then? I said.
He replied "He'd be a bargain at £15m".
On pure ability, he was the best of his generation. RIP Dalian, and thanks.
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That's so, so tragic. I absolutely loved Dalian, he gave us so much pleasure in a claret and blue shirt. RIP, Holte ender in the sky.
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Thinking of your family Dalian rest in peace and thank you for playing the game with a smile on your face, that smile brought many happy moments and memory's for many of us Villa supporters, in one of the most entertaining teams full stop, not just Villa teams. On your day they invented the word "unplayable". Holte Ender in the Sky.
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S*n now naming Dalian
https://www.thes*n.co.uk/news/1612938/man-dies-after-being-tasered-by-police-in-telford/
I don't wish to cause a fuss on this thread but surely there is never any need to link to that rag, is there?
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Whenever I picture Atktinson in my minds eye, he's hanging in the air in front of the Holte, for what seems like an eternity waiting for Daley's cross to reach him in that Tranmere semi final, then a half a second later it's in the net and the most amazing scenes of pandemonium and feelings of almost delirium.
That is my single favourite moment from years of standing on the Holte. Absolute ecstasy.
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Such sad news. Thanks Dalian for some great memories. You and Deano lit up Villa for a spell. Special times. Condolences to his family and friends.
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He scored two belters at Hillsborough one year, these sometimes get overlooked.
A genuine club great, from a golden age, with a medal to prove it.
"Daaaalian Atkinson, Dalian Atkinson"
RIP.
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Has there been any comment from the likes of Big Ron or Deano? His teammates from that era have to be blown away by this.
Big Ron said: “This is an out-and-out tragedy.
“He was a really popular player with team-mates. He was a really generous lad – sometimes too generous for his own good – but a good lad.
“He always had a smile on his face and I really like that in a player.
“He also had terrific ability. I always knew I didn’t need to worry about him in big games.”
Adrian Chiles was just interviewing Ugo Ehiogu on R5L. To be fair to Chiles, it was a very moving, and respectful piece.
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I just can't put it into words. For the first time ever I'm speechless.
Completely stunned I loved this guy as I'm sure a lot of us did as part of Big Ron's dream machine. The fact this happened about a mile from my house just makes it worse, I will lay a scarf on behalf of the forum.
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Always wanted us to sign him as a remember him as a youth at Ipswich. So much natural talent, which wasn't all fulfilled, but brought joy and happiness to VP. Seemed a funny guy too, huge loss.
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RIP Great memories
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He scored two belters at Hillsborough one year, these sometimes get overlooked.
A genuine club great, from a golden age, with a medal to prove it.
"Daaaalian Atkinson, Dalian Atkinson"
RIP.
i think that was the one where he told big ron he was playing midfield and enjoyed it .
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Awful news.
Frustrating player at times, but no doubting he had massive talent and scored some outrageously good goals.
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Anyone remember the goal he scored against us for Ipswich? I remember thinking then, what a player, we should get him.
Yes I do. I think we were 6-0 or 6-1 up at the time but a good strike, bent in off the bar from the edge of the area. Have been searching vain for it on YouTube.
Think we won 6-2 in the end Platty got 4 - remember my Dad turning round and saying "best goal of the night, we should sign him!".
For me the abiding memory will always be the opening goal that seemed to take an eternity to reach the goal in the league cup final and the absolute pandemonium that broke out behind that goal.
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Stunned and very sad...great memories that will never die. RIP and condolences to all his family and friends
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I remember being picked up from school by my Dad and him telling me that he was taking me to the game the next day and being an excited six year old. Dalian scored the winner against Manchester United in a 1-0 win. I was a happy child.
Gutted.
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He's died 24 years to the day that he scored our first ever Premier League goal, an 83rd minute equaliser at Ipswich 15.8.92
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This is just very difficult to comprehend. One of the most talented players we've had over the last 25 years and scorer of two the most important goals over the same period.
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Just waking up to the news....unbelievable.
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The circumstances here seem to pretty much define the word tragic.
On his day, he was amongst the best forwards of his generation. Some say that he fell short of what he might have achieved, but on closer inspection, his career was one he could look back on with some pride.
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Shocking news. Had the pleasure of being present at most of his screamers and will always be grateful especially for scoring that first one at Wembley in 94. Had pace, power and skill. Was a joy to watch when he was on his game.
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Horrible news.
I was at Selhurst when he scored THAT goal. Was a deadly double act with Deano.
Can't believe it, just 48.
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Really shocked. One of my son's first Holte End Heroes. Devastating news
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RIP Dalian.
Thanks for the memories!
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just seen the news.....RIP Dalian :(
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UTV
The Doc
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I hadn't thought of Dalian in years but before the match on Saturday I saw someone wearing an old asics shirt with his name on the back and it brought a smile to my face.
To hear this news today is shocking.
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Desperately sad news. As a young football fan, there arent many things more heroic than a footballer with the ability to ghost past defenders and score world class goals - he could do both and seemed to do it effortlessly. At that age, you dont really notice season long form or the fact that he may have been invisible for 80 minutes of the match, Just the moment of magic that sent you home happy on a saturday evening. RIP
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In tears.
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Can't remember the last time I was so shocked to hear of the death of somebody. RIP Dalian thanks for the great memories.
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R.I.P ,tragic for all concerned.
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Absolutely tragic. RIP Dalian Will never be forgotten
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Nothing about the tragedy on the OS yet but ironically there's an 'On This Day' feature (https://www.avfc.co.uk/on-this-day/08/15/1990%20-%201999/premier-point) with a picture of Dalian in our first game in the newly formed Premier League
edit: On OS now
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In tears.
Same here. Gutted.
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Could anyone "translate"for me the official police statement? Does it mean the police was called as apparently someone was in trouble and they tasered Dailian, believeing he is the offender?
Shocking news no matter what the truth behind the incedent is. As many already mentioned my childhood memmories of Villa are also connected with him.
Found this title strange in a way "Former Aston Villa Striker Dies 90mins After Being Tasered by Police"...
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Pravda/People's Daily:-
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/08/15/rip-dalian-atkinson
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Nothing about the tragedy on the OS yet but ironically there's an 'On This Day' feature (https://www.avfc.co.uk/on-this-day/08/15/1990%20-%201999/premier-point) with a picture of Dalian in our first game in the newly formed Premier League
They've posted on twitter with some pictures of him and Xia posted a link to the wimbledon goal earlier.
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RIP Dalian. Great memories of '94.
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I've been out all morning and came home to find that my daughter had rang with this devastating news. I'm absolutely distraught.
I have posted previously that me and a mate brought a bunch of fifteen year olds over on a football trip in 1994. I had written to the Villa and asked if possible could they meet one or two players. We were privileged to be escorted from the public viewing area at BMH and taken over to the extreme pitch to watch, close up the days training.
When training was over, the kids were getting autographs and, the last man in was Dalian, not only did he oblige our lads but, he went to the public area and signed for the other kids that were there. I have a wonderful photograph of him signing for my then fifteen-year-old son. That autograph along with all the others sits proudly in our daughters old bedroom here.
Goals apart, Dalian, you will never be forgotten in this house. As I said, I'm distraught. RIP.
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Nothing about the tragedy on the OS yet but ironically there's an 'On This Day' feature (https://www.avfc.co.uk/on-this-day/08/15/1990%20-%201999/premier-point) with a picture of Dalian in our first game in the newly formed Premier League
They've posted on twitter with some pictures of him and Xia posted a link to the wimbledon goal earlier.
Yes - OS updated a couple of minutes after I posted
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In tears.
Same here. Gutted.
Me too. Really sad.
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Most things already been said.
If Dalian had had the same attitude and application as he did natural ability he could have been one of the greatest players of all time - and not just for us.
Pace, power, skill, guile, two footed, instinct - he really did have it all
I remember him saying after the Tranmere game that he could not remember the score when he scored!
I am sure like others a true hero at a time when we were a club on the cusp of greatness
Thanks for everything Dalian - you will not be forgotten
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Could anyone "translate"for me the official police statement? Does it mean the police was called as apparently someone was in trouble and they tasered Dailian, believeing he is the offender?
Shocking news no matter what the truth behind the incedent is. As many already mentioned my childhood memmories of Villa are also connected with him.
Found this title strange in a way "Former Aston Villa Striker Dies 90mins After Being Tasered by Police"...
Would it be better if we talk about the possible details of what happened on another thread? Sorry for being a tad precious but I don't want to get involved in all the inevitable speculation and gossip.
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just can not believe it
never forget you, you gave us some great moments
absolutely gutted
RIP Dalian
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Remember these 2 v QPR. He was on fire that day and first goal was him switched on and 2nd one brilliant.
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Tragic. All you read about nowadays are high profile ex sportsmen a great many of them ex footballers who are not coping with the after life. Someone somewhere needs to step in
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Very sad. Was 15 in 92-93 and had just started to go to matches with mates rather than parents. A big hero and golden memories watching him and Deano in the Holte...
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Sad news indeed. RIP Dalian
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Terrible news.
RIP big man. Fondly remembered.
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Remember these 2 v QPR. He was on fire that day and first goal was him switched on and 2nd one brilliant.
The turn of pace for the first goal is incredible
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I imagine this has already been put up on this thread but the Tranmere game at Villa Park. From 4'45" for the Dalian goal. I love seeing the crowd after this goal goes in, it was mental that night.
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Remember these 2 v QPR. He was on fire that day and first goal was him switched on and 2nd one brilliant.
All the goals in that game were a bit special.
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RIP Dalian Atkinson and thanks for the memories,
One of the strongest memories of the Villa for me involved Dalian, Wimbledon and a man with a Brolly
Ask any villa fan about the man with the brolly and they will know instantly what you are talking about.
One of the iconic images in Villa’s history along with the Duty free pictures returning from Rotterdam
Thoughts with those who knew Dalian better than I
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I remember having an argument with a United-supporting school-mate in 1993 over who was quicker, Dalian or Giggs (ironically, we had this argument in a school-yard where we weren't allowed to run. Insurance I guess).
I got the '94 shirt for Christmas with his number ''10'' on the back and despite not having access to much TV footage of that Villa vintage, watching him in a family friends' house full of Yanited fans getting the ball rolling in the Coca Cola Cup Final was a marvellous feeling.
Every fucker, young and old, was coming out of the woodwork as a ManUre fan back then, and having Dalian in our armoury to fight them with was so important to me as a kid when tribalism and sensitivity over football results almost defined life at times.
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Most things already been said.
If Dalian had had the same attitude and application as he did natural ability he could have been one of the greatest players of all time - and not just for us.
Pace, power, skill, guile, two footed, instinct - he really did have it all
I remember him saying after the Tranmere game that he could not remember the score when he scored!
I am sure like others a true hero at a time when we were a club on the cusp of greatness
Thanks for everything Dalian - you will not be forgotten
Agree, i remember some Villa fans singing "What a waste of Talent" to him towards the end - but considering he "wasted" that talent - by God he left a mark!!.....
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No words.
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Awful news.
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I remember having an argument with a United-supporting school-mate in 1993 over who was quicker, Dalian or Giggs (ironically, we had this argument in a school-yard where we weren't allowed to run. Insurance I guess).
I got the '94 shirt for Christmas with his number ''10'' on the back and despite not having access to much TV footage of that Villa vintage, watching him in a family friends' house full of Yanited fans getting the ball rolling in the Coca Cola Cup Final was a marvellous feeling.
Every fucker, young and old, was coming out of the woodwork as a ManUre fan back then, and having Dalian in our armoury to fight them with was so important to me as a kid when tribalism and sensitivity over football results almost defined life at times.
You could be describing my childhood there, fella!
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I've only just heard the dreadful news. Absolutely tragic. :(
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3741333/Dalian-Atkinson-represented-bold-daring-example-Aston-Villa-achieve.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
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I hope the fans and players give him a great display of respect and a result we can dedicate to his memory tomorrow.
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RIP Villa legend :'(
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Was that goal at Selhurst our best ever goal? I'd say it probably is.
Talk on twitter of taking umbrellas in to VP (if allowed) tomorrow as a tribute...
I didn't think that umbrellas were allowed into VP
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RIP Big man, thanks for the memories :'(
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Was that goal at Selhurst our best ever goal? I'd say it probably is.
Talk on twitter of taking umbrellas in to VP (if allowed) tomorrow as a tribute...
I didn't think that umbrellas were allowed into VP
Could take cocktail umrellas instead?
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Not really sure why a 2014 tweet is relevant to last night but this is in the Birmingham Mail report
I don't know if this was even Dalian's Twitter account
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Shocking news.
I recall somebody comparing him, when on form and up for it, to the Brazilian Ronaldo. He was so powerful, talented and I'm struggling to think of a player, not just a Villa player, that could hit a ball with so much power. On his day he was brilliant.
Really, really sad news. Thoughts are with his family and friends.
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He was, without a shadow of a doubt absolutely top class on his day, alas he was also a tad lazy and never quite reached his full potential over an extended period of time. I'd also lump Carew into that category. Had everything needed to be one of the very best but for one reason or another never seemed to have the drive to really go for it.
That said, Dalian gave me so many happy memories in the 90's, and was a total joy to watch when he was fit and 'on it'
RIP Dalian, thanks for the memories son x
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Remember these 2 v QPR. He was on fire that day and first goal was him switched on and 2nd one brilliant.
All the goals in that game were a bit special.
Great game - very fortunate to win 4-1. QPR had lots of the play
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Not really sure why a 2014 tweet is relevant to last night but this is in the Birmingham Mail report
I don't know if this was even Dalian's Twitter account
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So they posted his last entry when he gave up twitter in 2014 and associate it with an accident last night. Great journalism as always.
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Not really sure why a 2014 tweet is relevant to last night but this is in the Birmingham Mail report
I don't know if this was even Dalian's Twitter account
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2i8bvq1.jpg)
So they posted his last entry when he gave up twitter in 2014 and associate it with an accident last night. Great journalism as always.
Not even tenuous just fucking lazy
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Pretty disgraceful reporting.
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He was emblematic of that team of new hope - anything could happen and often enough did.
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Genuinely brought tears to my eyes. Despite the trophies i've seen us win if I could relive one Villa moment again it would be his Tranmere goal at VP. RIP Dalian.
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Nicely summed-up by Bossie: "RIP Dalian Atkinson, at his best one of the very best."
Also comforting yet sad to hear Ugo and Tayles were both in contact with him this summer.
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Dalian Atkinson was one of the reasons an interest in football and following Villa for me turned into a passion nay, an obsession. On form, when he was flying at defences was all I wanted to do (as a "player") and watch as a fan. I feel disingenuous to say Ill miss him, as I didn't really know him, and its been years since he was playing. However I am really heartbroken that one of my heroes has passed on. God was my favourite player in those days, but honestly it was Dalian I wanted to be
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Unplayable on his day,always seemed to be the joker aswell,him & Bozzie between them basically won us the league cup in 94
RIP Dalian
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Looks like the 2014 tweet/comment has now been removed from the Mail's report and replaced by a tribute from Joey Barton
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Gutted about this sad sad news. Especially tragic given the circumstance.
Thanks for the memories big man! a joy to have seen him in my childhood early Villa days. I will be watching the tranmere game on youtube later and raising a glass.
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Still can't quite comprehend it. Was thinking about him just the other day and wondered whatever happened to him. Desperately sad.
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I'm totally shocked and gutted by this awful news. Loved him and Deano in that great partnership in 92-93. RIP Dalian.
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Remember these 2 v QPR. He was on fire that day and first goal was him switched on and 2nd one brilliant.
My first ever live game. Cracking match too.
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I feel the same as everyone else shocked by the news I met him once really nice man enjoyed his goals RIP Dalian.
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Dreadful, dreadful news.
The type you hear and just want to go straight back to bed.
They say your life passes before you just before you shuffle off this mortal coil. If it does, I'm sure I'll be seeing that goal at Wembley (that took an age to get in) and the header against Tranmere.
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Was that goal at Selhurst our best ever goal? I'd say it probably is.
Talk on twitter of taking umbrellas in to VP (if allowed) tomorrow as a tribute...
(http://i64.tinypic.com/zmmr1l.jpg)
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Looks like the 2014 tweet/comment has now been removed from the Mail's report and replaced by a tribute from Joey Barton
Should have been replaced with a full apology for crimes against journalism.
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Remember these 2 v QPR. He was on fire that day and first goal was him switched on and 2nd one brilliant.
My first ever live game. Cracking match too.
What a team that was. Just look at some of the names on the teamsheet, absolute class. Hard to believe we didn't kick on.
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Looks like the 2014 tweet/comment has now been removed from the Mail's report and replaced by a tribute from Joey Barton
Should have been replaced with a full apology for crimes against journalism.
They would have to replace the whole paper!
Oh I see what you did there!
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Was that goal at Selhurst our best ever goal? I'd say it probably is.
Talk on twitter of taking umbrellas in to VP (if allowed) tomorrow as a tribute...
(http://i64.tinypic.com/zmmr1l.jpg)
Wednesday's Meaning Evil headlines.
"Aston Villa's new owners show no respect for ex player by confiscating umbrellas".
I agree with Tone X. A good dedication and showing of all his Villa highlights followed by a minutes applause before and maybe the fans doing it again 10 mins in a la Petrov, and finally a win.
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From the looks of things the police have a few questions to answer on this. Was Dalian's manner threatening as he approached them? Did they taser him after he fell to the ground? If so why?
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Awful, awful news. I seem to recall a few years ago hearing rumours he had got into bad habits but obviously no idea if related to the incident in any way or indeed true.
One of the happiest days of my life was Wembley 94 and if it wasn't for his two last minute goals vs Tranmere it would never have happened so i'll always have a soft spot for him.
Think the retro laces shirt needs to be purchased now as I always associate him with that after the Wimbledon goal. I was at Ipswich 24 years to the day also when he scored our first ever Premier League goal.
I love this that I saw earlier.
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Lovely image, thanks for sharing.
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Shocking news.
I recall somebody comparing him, when on form and up for it, to the Brazilian Ronaldo. He was so powerful, talented and I'm struggling to think of a player, not just a Villa player, that could hit a ball with so much power. On his day he was brilliant.
Really, really sad news. Thoughts are with his family and friends.
Ronaldo was explosive, but I don't recall him putting to many away with the outside of his boot and making it all look as effortless as Dalian could.
Problem with him was sometimes he was entirely effortless.
Within a month of joining, Dean Saunders said "I'm quite good, but Dalian is good enough to play for AC Milan. He has the lot."
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RIP Dalian. Thanks for the memories. My abiding memory is also the 94 cup final at Wembley. I was in a neutral section of the ground and after Dalians strike I was subjected to loads of abuse by some Utd fans sat behind me for the rest of the game.
At full time however one mean looking fkr confronted me,shook my hand, gave me his programme and congratulated me on "that no 10 of yours!"
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I am genuinely gutted by this, couldn't believe it when my sister text me earlier. Dalian was one of my favourite players in one of my favourite Villa sides, he had it all power, pace, both feet, headers, all types of goals he was just wonderful to watch. He never made the most of what he had but on his day he was up there with the very best. The game at Villa Park against Tranmere is still my favourite game and that goal and the celebrations on the Holte End that followed will live with me forever.
Thanks for all the wonderful memories RIP Dalian.
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Desperately sad news. As a young football fan, there arent many things more heroic than a footballer with the ability to ghost past defenders and score world class goals - he could do both and seemed to do it effortlessly. At that age, you dont really notice season long form or the fact that he may have been invisible for 80 minutes of the match, Just the moment of magic that sent you home happy on a saturday evening. RIP
Really well said.
I think when you get older you appreciate the quality of a midfielder like Xavi or the defending of players like Maldini.
But as a young fan first watching the sport Dalian is one of those players that makes you fall in love with the game.
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Awful news from the man who helped create one of the best days of my Villa supporting life. Rest in peace big man
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From the looks of things the police have a few questions to answer on this. Was Dalian's manner threatening as he approached them? Did they taser him after he fell to the ground? If so why?
Yes. Just a thought, but a legitimate one, would he have been tasered if he'd been a white bloke?
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From a report I've seen, apparently he was Tasered multiple times. A neighbour has said she witnessed it. Time will tell. I'm still gutted by all this, such an unnecessary waste.
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One report said he had problems with his heart and kidney's and was in hospital recently for 2 months.
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On his day what a player, up there amongst the best I've seen at Villa.
RIP Dalian. Thoughts to all your family.
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Absolutely shocking news. I watched the 92/93 season review on tape to the point of wearing it out in parts and he scored some great goals then before his injury. It's been nice to watch some of the goals he scored at his other clubs today, most notably against Barcelona and his hat-trick against Galatasaray. Really sad loss and an injustice that he's been killed at such a young age.
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Remember these 2 v QPR. He was on fire that day and first goal was him switched on and 2nd one brilliant.
My first ever live game. Cracking match too.
My first live match, also. Great days.
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It's all been said on here; so awfully sad.
Was there to see all the key moments: Selhurst Park, the late goals at Prenton Park and VP in the semi-final and at Wembley; part of a really entertaining side and forever engraved in my memories.
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Dalian Atkinson was one of the reasons an interest in football and following Villa for me turned into a passion nay, an obsession. On form, when he was flying at defences was all I wanted to do (as a "player") and watch as a fan. I feel disingenuous to say Ill miss him, as I didn't really know him, and its been years since he was playing. However I am really heartbroken that one of my heroes has passed on. God was my favourite player in those days, but honestly it was Dalian I wanted to be
A lovely tribute mate, and one I very much relate to
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A great player and somebody I was lucky enough to meet a couple of times so can say he was also a very nice bloke. I think I need to chop some onions in a bit.
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Shocking and sad news.
I hope there is an honest, open and thorough investigation into the death of a man by a supposed "non lethal" weapon.
Please, no more police cover ups.
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It's all been said on here; so awfully sad.
Was there to see all the key moments: Selhurst Park, the late goals at Prenton Park and VP in the semi-final and at Wembley; part of a really entertaining side and forever engraved in my memories.
He scored a couple of belters at Sheff Weds one year
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From the looks of things the police have a few questions to answer on this. Was Dalian's manner threatening as he approached them? Did they taser him after he fell to the ground? If so why?
Yes. Just a thought, but a legitimate one, would he have been tasered if he'd been a white bloke?
What an odd thing to say?! One could almost say inciting hatred.
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When I look back at some of the special moments he provided me in those three years, I can honestly say they were some of the best times I experienced as a Villa fan. I was at Hillsborough for his first match and he, along with Regis and Yorke were absolutely sensational all afternoon. That he scored was of course the highlight but for me, it was his great run and superb pass for Staunton's winner that showed his true class. I remember before we signed him, he scored a brilliant consolation goal for Ipswich at Villa Park as well.
Simply a great, if not fully utilised talent and I feel a deep sense of shock and sadness at his passing today and honestly I don't usually go for celebrity grief culture as it were.
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What a rotten way to start the week. One of a small group of Villa players I watched in awe growing up and who gave me cause to believe.
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It is saddening, when 1st favourite players, along with Deano, as a kid. So talented and made it look easy! RIP Dalian......
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Remember these 2 v QPR. He was on fire that day and first goal was him switched on and 2nd one brilliant.
My first ever live game. Cracking match too.
Not sure what I enjoyed more - Stan's screamer or Deano firing the ball in to Townsend's face at point blank range in the build up!!!
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From the looks of things the police have a few questions to answer on this. Was Dalian's manner threatening as he approached them? Did they taser him after he fell to the ground? If so why?
Yes. Just a thought, but a legitimate one, would he have been tasered if he'd been a white bloke?
What an odd thing to say?! One could almost say inciting hatred.
I don't think it's an odd thing to say. Inciting hatred against whom?
This is something that many people are thinking from conversations I've had this afternoon. Maybe I shouldn't have said it on a tribute style thread but can't see it's an odd thought. And as the brother of a retired WM copper who did 30 years in the job I'm not naturally anti police.
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I am not really sure what to say. Whenever we have a pub debate on who was the best forward you have seen for Villa, Atkinson is always up there for me.
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Sad sad news. I him remember him scoring the important goal against Man Utd at Wembley and of course the Wimbledon "goal of the season" RIP Dalian Atkinson
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So sorry to hear this news. What fabulous player he was for us. RIP Dalian.
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A truly tragic event. RIP Dalian.
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I had to stop the car earlier when I heard an eye witness describe what she saw. Clearly I was already sad and upset with the news but to hear her saying that after tasering him two officers laid into him with their boots and then he was tasered a further 4-5 times after he 'refused' to put his hands behind his head is horrific, if true. Mods apologies if this is prejudicial and if so please remove
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Incredibly sad news and circumstances. Part of one of best Villa forward pairings in my lifetime and responsible for some great Villa moments. Hope that his family are able to learn the truth swiftly .
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Planned tribute
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/08/15/atkinson-tribute
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Two officers couldn't taser four or five times, unless they've got four or five tasers. I'd take such reports with a big pinch.
Sad news. Along with the incredible goals, it was the swagger I'll remember. Against Inter he had a bit of a bundle with an Italian player, but just laughed at him, pulled a face and jogged away still laughing. At least that's how I recall it.
I'd been bricking it about playing them, but I knew then all would be well.
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Gutted. He and Deano were my favourite players back in the day. As many have undoubtedly said, on his day he was exceptionally talented. Scored some exquisite goals.
There's going to be a lot of "I saw him..." They'll paint either him or the police in a bad light, but lets try to forget that, leave it to the investigators. I'm saddened we've lost a villa icon. A big part of a very good side that could beat anyone.
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He scored two belters at Hillsborough one year, these sometimes get overlooked.
A genuine club great, from a golden age, with a medal to prove it.
"Daaaalian Atkinson, Dalian Atkinson"
RIP.
These 2 goals are some of my best memories as well, the game was shown live on Danish Television. You can see the goals here, about 3 minutes in
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mv5NxkR739w
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When I started supporting Villa in about 1992 he was my favourite player. Even non-Villa supporting friends would talk about him in high regard. Never fulfilled his promise but left us with some absolute crackers at a time when we were still one of the elite clubs in the land.
I do remember thinking it was a bit odd how he dissapeared off the radar completely. The likes of Tony Daly, McGrath, Saunders, Houghton and a few others went on to have relatively high profile careers after football but Atkinson sort of dissapeared...
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From the looks of things the police have a few questions to answer on this. Was Dalian's manner threatening as he approached them? Did they taser him after he fell to the ground? If so why?
Yes. Just a thought, but a legitimate one, would he have been tasered if he'd been a white bloke?
What an odd thing to say?! One could almost say inciting hatred.
I don't think it's odd. Do you watch the news much?
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Planned tribute
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/08/15/atkinson-tribute
Nothing before the game, maybe too short notice?
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I assume they'll mention it over the tannoy and show goals on the big screen.
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Sad with the timing aswell...
We've finally had a good win and people start becoming optimistic for the first time in years and we get this awful news straight away.
Hopefully memories of this will inspire us to better times.
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When I think of Dalian two things come to mind. Firstly, him picking the ball out of the Tranmere net after he'd equalised possibly because he thought we needed another goal. Not that I could have seen that at the time because he'd just been responsible for the last great Holte terrace goal celebration. And secondly him running, tongue out, towards the Villa fans after scoring and leaving Steve Bruce tangled in the net at Wembley.
An especially tragic death for a man who gave joy to so many at a time which is remembered as well as if it were yesterday for those of us who were there.
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When I think of Dalian two things come to mind. Firstly, him picking the ball out of the Tranmere net after he'd equalised possibly because he thought we needed another goal. Not that I could have seen that at the time because he'd just been responsible for the last great Holte terrace goal celebration. And secondly him running, tongue out, towards the Villa fans after scoring and leaving Steve Bruce tangled in the net at Wembley.
An especially tragic death for a man who gave joy to so many at a time which is remembered as well as if it were yesterday for those of us who were there.
That was the longest two seconds of my life. It always seemed that the ball was going too slow and would be cleared.
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So sad.
On his day the best forward I've ever seen in a Villa shirt, his day was few and far between, if it wasn't I doubt he'd be playing for us any road.
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Tranmere was the last great terrace mental in this country.
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Tranmere was the last great terrace mental in this country.
Without doubt.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3741333/Dalian-Atkinson-represented-bold-daring-example-Aston-Villa-achieve.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Quite a nice article. Shame about the usual Heil factual inaccuracies, airbrushing Sir Brian's fourth and fifth place finishes from history.
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I assume they'll mention it over the tannoy and show goals on the big screen.
A minute's silence halted not by the referee's whistle but footage and audio of either his goal at Wimbledon or Wembley on the big screens would be a nice touch.
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In 2016 this would be "Villa fan invades pitch brandishing weapon" according to the tabloids
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Terrible news
R.i.p. Dalian
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It's incredibly sad news leaving me shocked and thinking of him with Dean Saunders in that video from the early 90's taking a call from Bobby Robson (?). This brings all our recent woes into perspective. And who was that guy with the umbrella?? Happy days to be a Villa fan. God bless him x
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In 2016 this would be "Villa fan invades pitch brandishing weapon" according to the tabloids
One of my all-time favourite Villa pictures. It just says 'Aston Villa' to me.
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It's incredibly sad news leaving me shocked and thinking of him with Dean Saunders in that video from the early 90's taking a call from Bobby Robson (?). This brings all our recent woes into perspective. And who was that guy with the umbrella?? Happy days to be a Villa fan. God bless him x
Rioch. He lives in/near Stourbridge.
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Dalian could have been and should have been a England regular for many years. Fitness being one of the reasons he wasn't. What a player.
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Possibly.
But when you look at some of the absolute bilge that found its way into the England squad from 1991-94, it's criminal that he didn't get at least a few games.
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Dalian Atkinson, highly talented yet frustrating but left a big smile on my face. R.I.P
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It's incredibly sad news leaving me shocked and thinking of him with Dean Saunders in that video from the early 90's taking a call from Bobby Robson (?). This brings all our recent woes into perspective. And who was that guy with the umbrella?? Happy days to be a Villa fan. God bless him x
Rioch. He lives in/near Stourbridge.
Ha ha not Bruce or Neil?? It's already been said here but that picture IS Aston Villa to me, Deano grabbing the umbrella to keep Dalian dry. I have a tear in my eye and and a smile on my face X
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Not sure how this thing developed into such a tragedy but we will leave that for another day. Today I have a very strange feeling about what has happened. Almost unbelievable but it's a fact now. No knowledge if Dalian has any family as in children etc but my deepest sympathy goes out to all close to him. One of the most talented footballer I have had the pleasure of watching. Thanks Dalian for that and all your goals.
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I remember going to Blackburn in the spring of 92/3, evening game I think. Dalian played, I think his first game back after injury, but was clearly miles off the pace and full fitness. Think we lost 3-0. At 0-0 seeing that Dalian was clearly a passenger, I said to my mate we are stuffed this season, such was his importance at that time
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I remember going to Blackburn in the spring of 92/3, evening game I think. Dalian played, I think his first game back after injury, but was clearly miles off the pace and full fitness. Think we lost 3-0. At 0-0 seeing that Dalian was clearly a passenger, I said to my mate we are stuffed this season, such was his importance at that time
Quite right NS, he missed a sitter from about two yards at nil nil as well. After saying that he was a major contributor to stopping Manure winning the treble in 94, RIP Dalian
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We were only talking recently about just how good, and underrated Dalian Atkinson was.
A top player and really saddened by this news today
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Tranmere was the last great terrace mental in this country.
Amazing that was. It lasted about 30 minutes. There was a guy just standing on one of the barriers for the whole of extra time
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I assume they'll mention it over the tannoy and show goals on the big screen.
A minute's silence halted not by the referee's whistle but footage and audio of either his goal at Wimbledon or Wembley on the big screens would be a nice touch.
Applause on 10th minute?
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Very sad news indeed. On hearing the news and after the initial inevitable feelings of disbelief my thoughts went to that home tie against Tranmere. I was standing on the left side of the Holte when Dalley crossed it in with 87 minutes gone ... I don't remember where I ended up but I do remember utter utter joy.
Many other goals and memories of course including one of the best overs of H and V ever ( cartoon with Dalian and Deno sitting on top of the world)
Thank you Dalian.
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Only just got home and heard. Shocked. I've always been moved when at a game and a minutes silence/applause is held for former players but these are usually players I've never seen play. Tomorrow night will be really emotional as I have so many happy memories home and away watching Dalian. Very sad news.
And that photo with the chap n brolly, as said before, is what we're all about! RIP Dalian mate.
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I went to work in the Far East in November '91 and live TV games were few and far between in those days. I did not return to the UK untill 2000 and therefore missed seeing live his great times at Villa - my loss.
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A part of villa died today and we are the villa family one of the last very good players to have been attached to us rip big man
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Only able to post now, echo what everyone else has said.
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Terrible news, RIP.
Will be remembered as a tremendous player when on form, as well as a great character.
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I remember him hitting the ball over the crossbar against Coventry I think and realising we'd let the PL slip by the end of the game. Up until then I thought we were going to win it. He was an immense powerful player who was so unpredictably brilliant that you felt he could score from anywhere. My happiest times as a Villa supporter.
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Two officers couldn't taser four or five times, unless they've got four or five tasers. I'd take such reports with a big pinch.
This report?
http://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/dalian-atkinson-eyewitness-claims-when-he-was-down-police-kept-on-tasering-him-34966816.html
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Don't want to start a political debate but media saying he died are surely wrong, he was killed wasn't he? RIP Dalian.
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You don't want to start a 'political debate' but you want us to decide if he died (he did, it appears) or if he was killed (he was, it appears)?
What?
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You don't want to start a 'political debate' but you want us to decide if he died (he did, it appears) or if he was killed (he was, it appears)?
What?
I think we get his drift...
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You don't want to start a 'political debate' but you want us to decide if he died (he did, it appears) or if he was killed (he was, it appears)?
What?
I think we get his drift...
That's cleared that up then. Cheers!
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A sad day for us all, I am not going to get started.
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Good lad!
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Lad?
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Dalian.....you were one of those Villa players that entertained me and made me smile. Cheers for that. RIP.
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Lad?
Sorry, is it lass? My apologies.
Dalian was a great character and gave us great memories. I hope the investigation is conducted with honesty and justice in mind.
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Lad?
Sorry, is it lass? My apologies.
Dalian was a great character and gave us great memories. I hope the investigation is conducted with honesty and justice in mind.
I agree wholeheartedly, Its the way the incident is reported that worries me slightly, that's all.
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A wonderfully gifted player who scored some absolute belters for us and made us feel very happy.
Thank you Dalian.
RIP.
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Lad?
Sorry, is it lass? My apologies.
Dalian was a great character and gave us great memories. I hope the investigation is conducted with honesty and justice in mind.
I agree wholeheartedly, Its the way the incident is reported that worries me slightly, that's all.
I don't even want to speculate because I know bugger-all and I doubt we'll be getting a full and frank run-down of events from the boys in blue.
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Thought he was inconsistent as a player myself. Occassionally inspired, often insipid. Reading between the lines, sounds like he had some problems after he retired. Personally i don't think anyone unless they're a direct threat to the police deserves to be Tazered but I wasn't there so we will wiat to see what that circumstances were. Either way its an appallling end to a life and from all accounts a very nice person.
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Lad?
Sorry, is it lass? My apologies.
Dalian was a great character and gave us great memories. I hope the investigation is conducted with honesty and justice in mind.
I agree wholeheartedly, Its the way the incident is reported that worries me slightly, that's all.
I don't even want to speculate because I know bugger-all and I doubt we'll be getting a full and frank run-down of events from the boys in blue.
Although I maybe worded it a little wrong, that is exactly what I was getting at.
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Respect.
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RIP Dalian, what a player you were in one of our best teams.
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I know what you meant fourfornicholl. I apologise for making a meal of it.
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I know what you meant fourfornicholl. I apologise for making a meal of it.
No worries. Feelings are hard to put into words sometimes.
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Tranmere, Man Utd, Wednesday, Wimbledon...those goals are over 20 years old now Big Man but we'll never forget them or you. R.I.P Dalian - Holte Ender in the Sky.
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I will be wearing my Muller shirt tomorrow as my own personal tribute to the big man.
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I would wear mine too.
However, 1) it is now two or three sizes too small for some reason. 2) Our Léa has adopted it.
I will try and get her to put it on for a pic (not happening, I know).
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Muller-ed tomorrow too. RIP Dalian, sad times.
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Good idea, I shall be in the Asics kit too.
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R.I.P Dalian.
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A tremendous talent, and an entertainer who lit up our lives.
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A wonderfully talented footballer who, like so many, never really fulfilled his potential on a consistent basis. Some wonderful memories & a sad sad loss. RIP
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What a really shit thing to happen. RIP to the scorer of the greatest goal of all time (with apologies to Peter Withe, who I'm sure would understand).
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There's an apocryphal story about him going to BFR and asking for a pay rise. BFR said show me you are worth it and I'll get you the money. Dalian replied give me the money and I'll show you I'm worth it.
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Waking to the news over here in Oz.
What a shock.
Great memories of that League Cup final win over Manure and that goal v Wimbledon.
Condolences to his family.
RIP Dalian
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From the looks of things the police have a few questions to answer on this. Was Dalian's manner threatening as he approached them? Did they taser him after he fell to the ground? If so why?
According reports, tasered three times which seems excessive. Not exactly sure why but I do know he was intoxicated.
I still marvel at that goal on youtube on a regular basis. I feel for his old man too, an 85 year old widower. It was a double shock looking at the news, as only a few moments before I'd discovered an old high school mate (whom I haven't seen since then) will do close to twenty years in jail but hearing about D really saddened me.
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RIP Dalian. A shocking travesty that you've been taken so early. Gone but never forgotten...Holte Ender in the Sky.
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Anyone remember the goal he scored against us for Ipswich? I remember thinking then, what a player, we should get him.
Yes I do. I think we were 6-0 or 6-1 up at the time but a good strike, bent in off the bar from the edge of the area. Have been searching vain for it on YouTube.
Think we won 6-2 in the end Platty got 4 - remember my Dad turning round and saying "best goal of the night, we should sign him!".
For me the abiding memory will always be the opening goal that seemed to take an eternity to reach the goal in the league cup final and the absolute pandemonium that broke out behind that goal.
I was sitting behind that goal and you are right. It happened in slow motion. I think I celebrated two birthdays between him shooting and the ball going in.
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He scored two belters at Hillsborough one year, these sometimes get overlooked.
A genuine club great, from a golden age, with a medal to prove it.
"Daaaalian Atkinson, Dalian Atkinson"
RIP.
I had forgotten those. Am I right in saying the Dalian/umbrella game was pretty much the only one you missed that season because you had to work?
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An infuriating talent, a more explosive version of John Carew from what I remember. Unplayable on his day, RIP
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Really gutted to hear this. He was a big part of the side at a time when you just felt anything could be possible for the Villa. Unstoppable at his best. I met him a couple of times in the players lounge around 2004/5. Amongst the former players that were present you could tell he was immensely popular.
Speaking of the Muller/Asics shirt, a few years ago I managed to get hold of one of the Gore Tex jackets that the players wore before games. It was exactly the same design as the shirt. The auction description on ebay said it had been Dalian's but couldn't say from which game or games. I have serious doubts that it was ever in his possession but I still wear it on windy/cold evenings for training or 5 a side and it's certainly big enough to have fitted him back then. Each time I put it on I think about those days and it puts a smile on my face. Only this weekend I watched the full 120 minutes plus the shootout against Tranmere again and Dalian was really in the mood for it that day. When he scored that late goal I must have been shunted a good 20-30 feet down the Holte in the celebrations.
What a terrible way to lose him. RIP Dalian.
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I believe there is a phrase 'come the moment, come the man'. Dalian was the man in both semi finals and the final.
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I'm surprised deano's not made a public statement yet.
Deano and Dalian. Happy days.
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Feeling very sad, extremely talented and for a couple of seasons he was the real deal alongside Deano
RIP Dalian
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Thanks for some fantastic memories Dalian.
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So sad. A talented, funny guy.
RIP D.
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I remember as a 10 year old going into the changing room before a league game as I was invited by Deano. I was totally shitting my pants as I was just whisked away from my mom and marched down there. As I went in I just stood staring at all the players, Dalian walked over and high fives me and started chatting. I told him why I was there ( I had done a school project about Dean Saunders). Dalian sat with Deano and I and looked all through it. The league cup goals will always live with me. I spent time yesterday showing my daughters some of his goals, which the loved. RIP Dalian.
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Dug out my muller classic for tonight, in 94 this lad gave us one of the best minutes goal celebration of our Villa lives at Wembley only right that we return the favour in the 10th minute this evening.
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Lad?
Sorry, is it lass? My apologies.
Dalian was a great character and gave us great memories. I hope the investigation is conducted with honesty and justice in mind.
I agree wholeheartedly, Its the way the incident is reported that worries me slightly, that's all.
I don't even want to speculate because I know bugger-all and I doubt we'll be getting a full and frank run-down of events from the boys in blue.
Lady eye witness on BBC didn't paint a good picture of police actions, kicking him after tasering when he was on the ground.
Police need to be very open about this. I thought use of a taser was if officers/public were being seriously threatened,
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News reports coming out saying he was in a "manic" state and had threatened to kill his own father - this is reported by his own brother and also claims that he had already killed some of his family
tragic
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/taser-death-footballer-dalian-atkinson-threatened-to-kill-his-father/ar-BBvFGUP
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What an ace player he was - able to make goals from nothing, especially when they were needed.
I seem to remember him scoring in the same week that he'd got a driving ban and back then, the scoreboard had this default message which it displayed after the goalscorer's name.
So when it showed "Dalian Atkinson drives Montego", there was a massive cheer from the Holte End, together with shouts of "Oh no he doesn't!"
RIP Dalian
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My dads clam to fame is standing next to the brolly man at Wimbledon. I've heard that story too many times.
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OS have confirmed that there will be a tribute tonight by means of a minutes applause on the 10th minute (Dalians shirt number) and some pre chosen fans will be opening umbrellas around the ground to reflect that iconic moment at Wimbledon. The OS does state that fans should not try to enter the ground with personal umbrellas as these will be confiscated because of H&S regs.
It sounds as though the last few hours of his life were particularly troubled and this saddens me the most. I do wonder if Tasers are the right method of calming for people who are obviously having a mental health episode. RIP now and thank you for making the game of football exciting and entertaining.
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He was a genuine "played with a smile on his face" player, someone who looked like he was enjoying it.
He might have been inconsistent and at times infuriating, but when he was on song, it was like playing with 12 men.
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Some great memories (what's left of them) of Dalian's goals for us. Hopefully the truth of the circumstances of his death will eventually crystallise and we'll know what happened.
Loved him as a player. I was at Wembley for the cup final when he scored, up to the left behind the goal. Crazy scenes in the celebrations. I also remember listening on the radio the Sheffield Wednesday game just after he signed and we played them
At Hillsboro.
I just hope he gets a terrific send-off during the match tomorrow morning. Remember the mail poster of him and ron after the match. Happy times. Let's remember the good times he brought the club.
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Thanks for Tranmere, Wembley and lots of other fine memories, Dalian. RIP.
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He used to infuriate me at times, the ball would run 5 yards to the side of him and he'd stand and watch it rather than move to it. That said, he scored some truly spectacular goals and the Goal of the Season was only my fourth favourite of his, behind Wembley, Hillsborough and Tranmere (my favourite ever game).
RIP Dalian, I hope the truth prevails.
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OS have confirmed that there will be a tribute tonight by means of a minutes applause on the 10th minute (Dalians shirt number) and some pre chosen fans will be opening umbrellas around the ground to reflect that iconic moment at Wimbledon. The OS does state that fans should not try to enter the ground with personal umbrellas as these will be confiscated because of H&S regs.
It sounds as though the last few hours of his life were particularly troubled and this saddens me the most. I do wonder if Tasers are the right method of calming for people who are obviously having a mental health episode. RIP now and thank you for making the game of football exciting and entertaining.
The Taser issue is difficult. If it was your son being tasered you would probably disagree (although in this case it seems a serious and difficult situation). But on the other hand if someone was threatening your wife or kids you would probably want them tasered.
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My dads clam to fame is standing next to the brolly man at Wimbledon. I've heard that story too many times.
I have a wealth of Villa stories that I repeat often. I think my wife just switches off but my son does seem to enjoy them.
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He scored two belters at Hillsborough one year, these sometimes get overlooked.
A genuine club great, from a golden age, with a medal to prove it.
"Daaaalian Atkinson, Dalian Atkinson"
RIP.
I had forgotten those. Am I right in saying the Dalian/umbrella game was pretty much the only one you missed that season because you had to work?
Yup, every game, league and cup, home and away. Except that one. Ratscocks!
Minor consolation in the form of Rioch being part of our trip to Milan in '94.
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Like many others I was there for the Wimbledon goal at Selhurst. I drove, huge mistake, through South London and I think managed to park about 100 yards from the ground and walked in about a minute before kick off. Wimbledon were at their thuggish peak and the main issue apart from the Dalian goal was this was the day Steve Froggatts career was ended due to a horrific tackle from whichever thug was playing right back for them. He never recovered properly and despite a couple of sojourns at Wolves and Cov he was never the same afterwards. You can see the level of Wimbledons play at the time in that Froggatt tackle and the near GBH of the attempted tackles on Dalian. I still fucking hate the ****** to this day. The other funny thing about Dalians goal was most of us were telling him to pass it to Deano and he then chipped Segers from 25 yards. Frustrating player but the only one on his day who's got close to Benteke/Yorke. RIP Dalian and will be wearing my laces 92/93 top tonight.
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Devastating and tragic news. RIP Dalian. Villa legend - 1994 final was a life changer for me in so many ways.
Up the Villa
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Like many others I was there for the Wimbledon goal at Selhurst. I drove, huge mistake, through South London and I think managed to park about 100 yards from the ground and walked in about a minute before kick off. Wimbledon were at their thuggish peak and the main issue apart from the Dalian goal was this was the day Steve Froggatts career was ended due to a horrific tackle from whichever thug was playing right back for them. He never recovered properly and despite a couple of sojourns at Wolves and Cov he was never the same afterwards. You can see the level of Wimbledons play at the time in that Froggatt tackle and the near GBH of the attempted tackles on Dalian. I still fucking hate the c***s to this day. The other funny thing about Dalians goal was most of us were telling him to pass it to Deano and he then chipped Segers from 25 yards. Frustrating player but the only one on his day who's got close to Benteke/Yorke. RIP Dalian and will be wearing my laces 92/93 top tonight.
Interesting bit re Froggatt. Like Bocanegra on Delaney a decade on.
Wasn't Ben Thatcher' s big brother was it?
Would like to see more of the highlights of that Wimbledon game.
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Thanks Dalian for my favourite moment at VP, 3rd goal against Tranmere.
Thanks Dalian for my favourite game at VP, Tranmere.
Thanks for my favourite trophy win, 1994.
The most gifted player i have had the pleasure to watch down VP, better than Little, Yorkie, et al.Probably didn't produce it enough, but on his day, wow, what a player.
Seemed to have had his issues, but thanks for the memories Dalian, R.I.P
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Like many others I was there for the Wimbledon goal at Selhurst. I drove, huge mistake, through South London and I think managed to park about 100 yards from the ground and walked in about a minute before kick off. Wimbledon were at their thuggish peak and the main issue apart from the Dalian goal was this was the day Steve Froggatts career was ended due to a horrific tackle from whichever thug was playing right back for them. He never recovered properly and despite a couple of sojourns at Wolves and Cov he was never the same afterwards. You can see the level of Wimbledons play at the time in that Froggatt tackle and the near GBH of the attempted tackles on Dalian. I still fucking hate the c***s to this day. The other funny thing about Dalians goal was most of us were telling him to pass it to Deano and he then chipped Segers from 25 yards. Frustrating player but the only one on his day who's got close to Benteke/Yorke. RIP Dalian and will be wearing my laces 92/93 top tonight.
Interesting bit re Froggatt. Like Bocanegra on Delaney a decade on.
Wasn't Ben Thatcher' s big brother was it?
Would like to see more of the highlights of that Wimbledon game.
Ironically he was injured crossing the ball for Saunders to score in the first half. It was a terrible tackle to his left ankle a second after he crossed the ball, made worse by the fact his leg was planted. He was unplayable on the left in the first three months of that season.
We may well have won the league if he and Dalian had remained fit.
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Pat Murphy partly summed him up yesterday:
'' He wasn't a great goal scorer but he was a scorer of great goals''
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Pat Murphy partly summed him up yesterday:
'' He wasn't a great goal scorer but he was a scorer of great goals''
As clichés go, I think Bozzie's tribute was best.
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Pat Murphy partly summed him up yesterday:
'' He wasn't a great goal scorer but he was a scorer of great goals''
As clichés go, I think Bozzie's tribute was best.
Me too. Lovely. Dalian and Bozzie were the first players I ever idolised, especially Dalian.
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Like many others I was there for the Wimbledon goal at Selhurst. I drove, huge mistake, through South London and I think managed to park about 100 yards from the ground and walked in about a minute before kick off. Wimbledon were at their thuggish peak and the main issue apart from the Dalian goal was this was the day Steve Froggatts career was ended due to a horrific tackle from whichever thug was playing right back for them. He never recovered properly and despite a couple of sojourns at Wolves and Cov he was never the same afterwards. You can see the level of Wimbledons play at the time in that Froggatt tackle and the near GBH of the attempted tackles on Dalian. I still fucking hate the c***s to this day. The other funny thing about Dalians goal was most of us were telling him to pass it to Deano and he then chipped Segers from 25 yards. Frustrating player but the only one on his day who's got close to Benteke/Yorke. RIP Dalian and will be wearing my laces 92/93 top tonight.
Interesting bit re Froggatt. Like Bocanegra on Delaney a decade on.
Wasn't Ben Thatcher' s big brother was it?
Would like to see more of the highlights of that Wimbledon game.
Ironically he was injured crossing the ball for Saunders to score in the first half. It was a terrible tackle to his left ankle a second after he crossed the ball, made worse by the fact his leg was planted. He was unplayable on the left in the first three months of that season.
We may well have won the league if he and Dalian had remained fit.
If Dalian had remained fit I think we would have pushed Yanited a lot closer.
As well as losing his goals when he was injured, Deano wasn't quite the same either.
We'd have pushed them closer, but probably still missed out. The Cantona effect and all that piss. And Dalian was more than capable of blowing hot and cold, fitness concerns or no.
But with Dalian, Deano and Froggatt all flying, I think we would have done it too. A fair few of our goals during that purple patch soon after Saunders joined came from Froggatt's side of the pitch, IIRC.
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Minutes applause sounded excellent on the radio.
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Agreed. Some decent pics on Twitter too.
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/765635114390794241
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The applause was excellent and fair play to Hudderfield, looked like the vast majority of them joined in. Personally thought the brolly thing was a bit crap and shame no one seemed to remember what his song was.
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The song was a real pisser.
His own song isn't exactly hard to reel off.
From the sounds of it, I think a few did try to get it going. But they were invariably drowned out by the dullest tune known to man.
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The applause was excellent and fair play to Hudderfield, looked like the vast majority of them joined in. Personally thought the brolly thing was a bit crap and shame no one seemed to remember what his song was.
Interesting point re the song. I'm in Spain so I've only seen the footage showed on here and Twitter but it seemed like the Holte were singing " Atkinson my lord, Atkinson"?? WTF? As if that song isn't cringey enough with the on the piss / shit support / empty seats nonsense. I really hate that fucking song.
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The song was a real pisser.
His own song isn't exactly hard to reel off.
From the sounds of it, I think a few did try to get it going. But they were invariably drowned out by the dullest tune known to man.
I was one of the ones trying to get it going! Wasn't happy!
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I didn't see the umbrellas, nice touch. And fair play to their fans for joining in. Class.
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The song was a real pisser.
His own song isn't exactly hard to reel off.
From the sounds of it, I think a few did try to get it going. But they were invariably drowned out by the dullest tune known to man.
I was one of the ones trying to get it going! Wasn't happy!
What was his song, out of interest? He was my first (and one of the last) VP hero but can't remember any songs.
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Singing his name to the tune of Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep.
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I always remembered it to the tune of 'Here we go'
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To the tune of Where's your Schmeichel gone for our younger lot.
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Daaaalian Atkinson! Dalian Atkinson!
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Wasn't there also a lesser spotted "all the Holte Enders know, Dalian's better than Deano" song, or have I made that up?
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RIP Dalian, that looked very emotional at Villa Park last night. Watching the scenes brought tears to my eyes. Well done to all who went and joined in, he'll always be remembered very fondly as being up there as one of my favourite players to wear the shirt.
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I thought it was nice, not too over the top and from what I could see, all their fans joined in the applause as well.
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I didn't see the umbrellas, nice touch. And fair play to their fans for joining in. Class.
I thought it was a nice touch with the brollies. Understated but effective. Well done to the club and the crowd.
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I didn't see the umbrellas, nice touch. And fair play to their fans for joining in. Class.
It's always heartwarming to me that in times of adversary the football supporting family always come good.*
* insert your own scummy fans here.
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I didn't see the umbrellas, nice touch. And fair play to their fans for joining in. Class.
I thought it was a nice touch with the brollies. Understated but effective. Well done to the club and the crowd.
Saw a photo of the umbrellas and I thought they looked great.
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Wasn't there also a lesser spotted "all the Holte Enders know, Dalian's better than Deano" song, or have I made that up?
You've made it up I hope. It would be a bit strange if the Villa fans were singing about one of their strikers being better than their other striker.
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Wasn't there also a lesser spotted "all the Holte Enders know, Dalian's better than Deano" song, or have I made that up?
You've made it up I hope. It would be a bit strange if the Villa fans were singing about one of their strikers being better than their other striker.
I definitely don't recalt that song.
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What I loved more than anything about Dalian was his raw uncluttered confidence. Nothing intimidated him on the football field Practically carried us to the League Cup in '94. Six goals in all, was it? And that celebration - a little shrug, a half smile and a finger waggle. Pure class. Rest in peace big man.
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Fantastic player. Untimely demise. RIP Dalian.
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I'm not ashamed to say I was a bit choked up during the tribute last night, and hoping I wasn't being singled out by some TV camera. As well as being upset about the tragic nature of Dalian's death, you're mourning a bit of your own life departing too.
I got £150 for writing about the Tranmere game for 4-4-2 magazine, signing off the article by saying that for sheer excitement, it beat the 5-1 Liverpool game and the European Cup Final. Dalian was the difference in that tie, then scored the first in the final and played an unfamiliar role with discipline to help deliver BFR's tactical besting of Fergie, who's team and fans were fully committed to winning Cup Finals in those days. That whole Cup run was as much Dalian's own as 1977 was Sir Brian's.
I hope he's at peace now.
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I can barely comprehend what must have been going on in his mind, but I have dark, dark days myself.
Couldn't be there last night and this morning decided I could of been, but I went with what I was told to do.
But Ill tell you what I did, I dug out the mita shirt, minus the lace, put it on and cried like a baby on 10 minutes.
RIP Dalian.
Yours, a very emotional 50 year old.
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Chin up FN. good memories I hope at least
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqq63bFNbWc
If not posted already, the two bids on there are definitely worth a look for old time's sake
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Chin up FN. good memories I hope at least
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqq63bFNbWc
If not posted already, the two bids on there are definitely worth a look for old time's sake
Thanks Matt, the goal against Liverpool was a real favourite of mine.
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That season we could have had the Goal of the Season competition all to ourselves - Dalian's second at Hillsborough, Deano's from another postcode against Ipswich, Yorke's finish to a fine team goal at home to Sheff Wednesday, Steve Staunton's peach at Old Trafford...
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Just tried to vote but "the number has not been recognised".
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We were the original Entertainers of the Premier League.
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I'll admit that I got something in my eye at almost exactly the same time as the footage of the 10th minute was shown on sky last night, was a terrible coincidence that had my wife convinced I was crying.
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That season we could have had the Goal of the Season competition all to ourselves - Dalian's second at Hillsborough, Deano's from another postcode against Ipswich, Yorke's finish to a fine team goal at home to Sheff Wednesday, Steve Staunton's peach at Old Trafford...
Parker's against Citeh away was a bit good too.
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What I loved more than anything about Dalian was his raw uncluttered confidence. Nothing intimidated him on the football field Practically carried us to the League Cup in '94. Six goals in all, was it? And that celebration - a little shrug, a half smile and a finger waggle. Pure class. Rest in peace big man.
Yeah, same celebration is a touch of class. Windmill with the right arm and a finger wag. A one off.
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Hate having to ask, but anybody know the funeral arrangements, I think I need to be there.
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I'm not ashamed to say I was a bit choked up during the tribute last night, and hoping I wasn't being singled out by some TV camera. As well as being upset about the tragic nature of Dalian's death, you're mourning a bit of your own life departing too.
I got £150 for writing about the Tranmere game for 4-4-2 magazine, signing off the article by saying that for sheer excitement, it beat the 5-1 Liverpool game and the European Cup Final. Dalian was the difference in that tie, then scored the first in the final and played an unfamiliar role with discipline to help deliver BFR's tactical besting of Fergie, who's team and fans were fully committed to winning Cup Finals in those days. That whole Cup run was as much Dalian's own as 1977 was Sir Brian's.
I hope he's at peace now.
I've still got that article in my scrapbook that I kept between 1991-98 ish.
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That season we could have had the Goal of the Season competition all to ourselves - Dalian's second at Hillsborough, Deano's from another postcode against Ipswich, Yorke's finish to a fine team goal at home to Sheff Wednesday, Steve Staunton's peach at Old Trafford...
Parker's against Citeh away was a bit good too.
The other goal against Ipswich was a bit tasty too. From our corner flag to back of their net in about 5 passes and less than a minute from memory. Another example of what might have been with Froggatt if injury hadn't got in the way.
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1992-93 was full of classic goals. Kevin Richardson's long range stunner that went in off the underside of the bar vs Oxford in the Cup, Garry Parker's two vs Sheff United, Houghton lobbing the Man City keeper, Richardson lobbing the Sheff United keeper at home after a lovely throughball from Neil Cox, Big Cyrille chipping the Forest keeper. Just great great goals.
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I'm not ashamed to say I was a bit choked up during the tribute last night, and hoping I wasn't being singled out by some TV camera. As well as being upset about the tragic nature of Dalian's death, you're mourning a bit of your own life departing too.
I got £150 for writing about the Tranmere game for 4-4-2 magazine, signing off the article by saying that for sheer excitement, it beat the 5-1 Liverpool game and the European Cup Final. Dalian was the difference in that tie, then scored the first in the final and played an unfamiliar role with discipline to help deliver BFR's tactical besting of Fergie, who's team and fans were fully committed to winning Cup Finals in those days. That whole Cup run was as much Dalian's own as 1977 was Sir Brian's.
I hope he's at peace now.
I've still got that article in my scrapbook that I kept between 1991-98 ish.
I'm honoured.
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With the actual commentary too, ace.
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With the actual commentary too, ace.
I doubt it is in some cases. Back then the Beeb had three or four match commentators and no one at the round up matches. Then they would "record" commentary for the Goal of the month / Season entries if required.
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1992-93 was full of classic goals. Kevin Richardson's long range stunner that went in off the underside of the bar vs Oxford in the Cup, Garry Parker's two vs Sheff United, Houghton lobbing the Man City keeper, Richardson lobbing the Sheff United keeper at home after a lovely throughball from Neil Cox, Big Cyrille chipping the Forest keeper. Just great great goals.
Yorke's goal against Sheffield Wednesday at home was absolutely fabulous. 16 passes and a great finish, what days they were x
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Deano and Dwight Yorke both scored brilliant goals against Ipswich at home, too.
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I found the tribute incredibly moving and respectful. The umbrellas were a lovely touch and classy in a way only the Villa could do, So many memories flew through my mind in that one minute that I too was hoping that the ever seeing eye of the TV camera was pointing elsewhere.
Similarly to when Dalian scored against Tranmere I stood there without spectacles. This time however I wasn't picking them up from some bloke 20 yards below me, but I was drying them off against my shirt.
RIP Dalian and well done Villa.
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I found the tribute incredibly moving and respectful. The umbrellas were a lovely touch and classy in a way only the Villa could do, So many memories flew through my mind in that one minute that I too was hoping that the ever seeing eye of the TV camera was pointing elsewhere.
Similarly to when Dalian scored against Tranmere I stood there without spectacles. This time however I wasn't picking them up from some bloke 20 yards below me, but I was drying them off against my shirt.
RIP Dalian and well done Villa.
Very well put
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1992-93 was full of classic goals. Kevin Richardson's long range stunner that went in off the underside of the bar vs Oxford in the Cup, Garry Parker's two vs Sheff United, Houghton lobbing the Man City keeper, Richardson lobbing the Sheff United keeper at home after a lovely throughball from Neil Cox, Big Cyrille chipping the Forest keeper. Just great great goals.
Yorke's goal against Sheffield Wednesday at home was absolutely fabulous. 16 passes and a great finish, what days they were x
The best thing about that goal was it came straight from the kick off, the first time Wednesday touched the ball was to pick it up out the holte end net, I don't think I've seen a better home season than that one in terms of goals.
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With the actual commentary too, ace.
I doubt it is in some cases. Back then the Beeb had three or four match commentators and no one at the round up matches. Then they would "record" commentary for the Goal of the month / Season entries if required.
I can't hear it but if it is Clive "for fucks sake" Tyldsley, it was dubbed on afterwards.
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Gerald Sinstad ( one for the teenagers ) must have been at every bloody game in the 80s, I can always remember him on videos and highlights programmes. Probably over dubbed in a recording booth near Soho.
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Two police under criminal investigation.
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Gerald Sinstad ( one for the teenagers ) must have been at every bloody game in the 80s, I can always remember him on videos and highlights programmes. Probably over dubbed in a recording booth near Soho.
And there was Tony Gubba too.
In those days, if they did overdub it didn't seem as obvious as it is now. These days the match of the day minor match highlights have the commentators who seem to have positively psychic powers "X is in the box, looks like he wants to try an overhead backheel volley off the post into the net, cross comes in ... and it's an overhead backheel volley off the post into the net!".
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Two police under criminal investigation.
Yes, after the post mortem yesterday proved 'inconclusive'. The Daily Heil adds 'In a statement the IPCC said: 'Two West Mercia Police officers have been advised they are under criminal investigation and are also being served with gross misconduct notices.'
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Gerald Sinstad ( one for the teenagers ) must have been at every bloody game in the 80s, I can always remember him on videos and highlights programmes. Probably over dubbed in a recording booth near Soho.
And there was Tony Gubba too.
In those days, if they did overdub it didn't seem as obvious as it is now. These days the match of the day minor match highlights have the commentators who seem to have positively psychic powers "X is in the box, looks like he wants to try an overhead backheel volley off the post into the net, cross comes in ... and it's an overhead backheel volley off the post into the net!".
I challenged Roger Mosey of the Beeb several times on this and he refused to answer - real politician answer 'we have commentators at every game'
I also asked him to elucidate the votes cast when the Queen's Granddaughter won SPOTY. He wouldn't reveal the numbers but it was the time when seemed to be a lot of made up stuff
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Kelvin MacKenzie (yes I know) has been circulating a 1992 publicity photo from SKY Sports original pre season brand new Premier League all new singing and dancing promotion pictures. Four smiling, young, toned footballers (in a swimming pool for some reason). It is quite poignant. Two of them are Jamie Redknapp and Paul Ince. The other two are Dalian Atkinson and Gary Speed.
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Bloody hell he it that volley lovely in the first leg.
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Not that it matters a fig but I hadnt realised before that we got a bit lucky for both of the free-kicks that led to Dalian's decisive goals. Not sure Townsend was fouled by Irons and then at VP Tranmere weren't alert to the quick free.
Also, anyone know what Ron mouths after Dalian's goal at Wembley? Think the last word is "...boy". My boy? Atkinson Jr and Sr.
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I always thought he said lovely ball
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Not that it matters a fig but I hadnt realised before that we got a bit lucky for both of the free-kicks that led to Dalian's decisive goals. Not sure Townsend was fouled by Irons and then at VP Tranmere weren't alert to the quick free.
Also, anyone know what Ron mouths after Dalian's goal at Wembley? Think the last word is "...boy". My boy? Atkinson Jr and Sr.
The first was a close call and could have gone either way, however the fast free kick was telegraphed already when the ref called it back on the first try so no luck there, just good judgement /skill to do it again.
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Bloody hell he it that volley lovely in the first leg.
we were stood at the other end and I have to be honest it was hard to see. I never thought Prenton Park was great for visibility, but few us really knew how critical that goal would become. It was just so depressing as an evening that it was hard to accept that goal as being the way back. But what a massive goal it proved to be, and that second leg was a game for the ages.
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There is a villa scarf hanging from a lamppost at the entrance to the street where Dalian died. Looks really poinient
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Bloody hell he it that volley lovely in the first leg.
we were stood at the other end and I have to be honest it was hard to see. I never thought Prenton Park was great for visibility, but few us really knew how critical that goal would become. It was just so depressing as an evening that it was hard to accept that goal as being the way back. But what a massive goal it proved to be, and that second leg was a game for the ages.
Great memories.
Super build up for the Utd goal
RIP Dalian
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1992-93 was full of classic goals. Kevin Richardson's long range stunner that went in off the underside of the bar vs Oxford in the Cup, Garry Parker's two vs Sheff United, Houghton lobbing the Man City keeper, Richardson lobbing the Sheff United keeper at home after a lovely throughball from Neil Cox, Big Cyrille chipping the Forest keeper. Just great great goals.
Yorke's goal against Sheffield Wednesday at home was absolutely fabulous. 16 passes and a great finish, what days they were x
The best thing about that goal was it came straight from the kick off, the first time Wednesday touched the ball was to pick it up out the holte end net, I don't think I've seen a better home season than that one in terms of goals.
That Yorke goal was divine. The volume in the Holte just got louder and louder with each pass as if we all know the goal was coming. I still get annoyed we never won the league that year
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Haven't had a chance to post before now but this is terrible news. For two-three years Atkinson played in and was an outstanding contributor in one of my favourite and sublime Villa teams.
They were brilliant to watch. RIP Dalian.
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Anybody been watching Goals on Sunday? Deano is a pundit, wondered if yes said anything about Dalian?
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Just seen him, said he was devastated and told lovely story about the two Atkinsons
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Hopefully we can start singing Dalians original song. 'Atkinson Ma Lord' sounded strange on Tuesday night.
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Sung yesterday as well. Derby fans applauded it, bless their bumpkin little hearts.
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Real Sociedad just did their own tribute, in the ninth minute.
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Real Sociedad just did their own tribute, in the ninth minute.
Respect :'(
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I have not heard Karren Brady commiserate BFR on the loss of his son yet.
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A genuine dictionary definition of the phrase 'maverick'
But when he was on...
R.I.P Dalian
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A genuine dictionary definition of the phrase 'maverick'
But when he was on...
R.I.P Dalian
I take it your username is ironic.
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Dalian was a brilliantly talented player who was tearing the league up in the winter of 1992. There's little doubt that had he stayed fit (along with Froggy) we would have won it.
Sadly, he will go down as a player who ultimately wasted his great talent, despite the highlights.
What happened to him was an absolute outrage!
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An appropriate, measured tribute to Dalian in the new edition of WSC by some bloke who I think posts on here from time-to-time.
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Had any more light been shed regarding the circumstances of his death?
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In case you haven't seen there is a March for Justice for Dalian Atkinson taking place in Telford this Saturday afternoon. Facebook event page:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1077084789042496/
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Just read Dalian Atkinson's funeral will be this Saturday (19th November). I hope the club will be represented in some way.
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I was chatting about Dalian just an hour ago, wondering what was happening, Im sure we will represent him and hope we can give him a right royal send off on friday night too. RIP Dalian.
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Dalian's funeral today....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38031099
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Nice to see so many former Villa players giving him the send off he deserved. RIP, Dalian. You scored some of the best goals I've ever seen at Villa and you won't be forgotten.
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RIP Dalian. Some fabulous goals and many memories.
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RIP in fella. For me it was his last minute goal against Tranmere that help us to reach the 94 final will always stick out.
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Does anyone know what songs were played at his funeral. Ugo tweeted something about them being Reflective, humorous and to the point. It would be nice if the club could find out and play them at the next home game...
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Yes I went to the service at the Crematorium - they played Aint No Bluff the song from the 94 league cup final as it had Dalians voice all over it. Next they played you cant hide a song by David Joseph apparently it was a song that him and his brother Paul used to like in their clubbing days. Finished with What a man by Salt'n'Pepa.
The crem was packed was lucky to get inside really, great to see a few of our lads there - Tommy Johnson, Bryan Small, Ugo, Stan Staunton, Ian Taylor, Sid, Ken McKnaught also Brian Little, Jim Walker and Steve Stride. Unusual service but just pleased I was able to pay my respects to one of my football heroes.
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RIP my first football hero.
Thank you for all the joy you brought us.
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I'm sorry but I am not sure about posting links but I hope that this affectionate tribute from BBC Suffolk is readable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-37288205
If not could someone put it on please?
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Thank you Dalian rest in peace.
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I'm sorry but I am not sure about posting links but I hope that this affectionate tribute from BBC Suffolk is readable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-37288205
If not could someone put it on please?
I think that's the best I've read about him.
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As Dave says, a lovely article from the BBC.
Thought that I would post a couple of links from the Shropshire Star:-
http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2016/11/19/dalian-atkinson-taser-death-funeral-of-aston-villa-star-being-held-in-telford-today/
http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2016/11/19/dalian-atkinson-funeral-aston-villa-stars-and-fans-pay-tribute-watch-the-video/
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Just a very good footballer in my eyes. One of the last Villa players who you could say fans had a direct affinity too.
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I can't recall speaking to any Villa fan that didn't like Dalian. Says it all really.
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One year on , still have the same glorious memories shining as bright as your smile , RIP Dalian.
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Christ, is it already one year? It still seems so raw.
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I saw a clip on the news last night linking Dalian's tragic death to the ongoing enquiry about alleged wrongdoing at the Manchester forensic evidence testing laboratory. Has anything more been reported?
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The S*n had a report on it yesterday.
Illustrated of course, with a picture of Leandro Bacuna.
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I wonder what the link can be? Dalian's post mortem? Very curious.
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I heard in the pub about missing body cams, don't however believe that one.
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I heard in the pub about missing body cams, don't however believe that one.
No missing body cams, they weren’t wearing them. Which at the time, rightly or wrongly, was standard for West Mercia
The officers remain suspended.
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Happy Birthday big man. Gone too soon.
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Happiest of birthdays to you, Dalian. You're missed terribly.
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God bless Dalian, thanks for the memories.
Had any more been said about the mysterious circumstances around his death? It all seems to have gone away and it’s been a year now.
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God bless Dalian, thanks for the memories.
Had any more been said about the mysterious circumstances around his death? It all seems to have gone away and it’s been a year now.
Still under investigation.
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Thanks Dalian
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While in the Holte against Wolves and admiring the Ugo banner in the corner, I couldn't help thinking that there was enough room for one of Dalian (and maybe GT) too.
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While in the Holte against Wolves and admiring the Ugo banner in the corner, I couldn't help thinking that there was enough room for one of Dalian (and maybe GT) too.
There is one for both of them on the wall at the back of the Lower Holte.
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D'oh! Must keep an eye out next time.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/two-police-officers-could-face-charges-over-footballer-dalian-atkinsons-death-11528860
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From the Telegraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/18/police-officers-tasered-dalian-atkinson-died-could-face-criminal/
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Breaking News: A Police officer has been charged with the murder of Dalian Atkinson...
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Two have been charged with his death, only one has been charged with murder.
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Surprised at this but can see him being acquitted. It will be interesting what the prosecution evidence will be though as if it is just using the Taser, then ultimately the Government gave the Police permission for that and could well lead to them being withdrawn.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50333081
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Fuck the police
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Surprised at this but can see him being acquitted. It will be interesting what the prosecution evidence will be though as if it is just using the Taser, then ultimately the Government gave the Police permission for that and could well lead to them being withdrawn.
I imagine that bodycam footage - if they were wearing them - will be key.
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Appalling that it took more than 3 years to even get this far, tbh - whatever the verdict ends up being.
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Appalling that it took more than 3 years to even get this far, tbh - whatever the verdict ends up being.
Hadn't realised it is over three years ago, why so long?
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Appalling that it took more than 3 years to even get this far, tbh - whatever the verdict ends up being.
Hadn't realised it is over three years ago, why so long?
that's not very long for an investigation nowadays. Lack of resources to investigate slows the whole process up. Even simple crimes where people admit offences can take months even years to prosecute.
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Appalling that it took more than 3 years to even get this far, tbh - whatever the verdict ends up being.
Hadn't realised it is over three years ago, why so long?
that's not very long for an investigation nowadays. Lack of resources to investigate slows the whole process up. Even simple crimes where people admit offences can take months even years to prosecute.
The IOPC said it appreciates the "patience" shown during their investigation, which concluded in October 2018.
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Fuck the police
Really?
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It's just terribly sad news that keeps getting sadder as more details are released.
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Murder is a BIG ask in terms of a trial verdict, so the CPS must have some pretty damning evidence against that officer (to go for murder instead of manslaughter). Proving intent to kill, especially as it was a taser which is designated a non-lethal weapon - is VERY difficult. I suspect there is something pretty bad in the evidence pack the public is not yet aware of.
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Murder is a BIG ask in terms of a trial verdict, so the CPS must have some pretty damning evidence against that officer (to go for murder instead of manslaughter). Proving intent to kill, especially as it was a taser which is designated a non-lethal weapon - is VERY difficult. I suspect there is something pretty bad in the evidence pack the public is not yet aware of.
Probably a "nose" cop!
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Its still hard to believe we've lost Dalian, Ugo, Big Cyrille, Samuel and Sir Graham in such a short time.
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Fuck the police
Really?
Yeah they murdered Dalian.
What's so difficult to understand?
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Fuck the police
Really?
Yeah they murdered Dalian.
What's so difficult to understand?
I guess the bit I'm struggling with is how you seem to know how the jury is going to find in a case where someone has only just been charged.
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Policing is an incredibly hard job and better people than me do it. My best mate was a PCSO for a few years so I have come to respect how hard it can be. Humbly, I know they are far from perfect but maybe lets just see what happens, rather than blame the entire police force.
I can't believe we lost Dalian. I'll never, ever forget watching the League Cup Final in 1993/94 as a kid - and the ecstasy of his goal. God rest you, big man.
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Fuck the police
Really?
Yeah they murdered Dalian.
What's so difficult to understand?
Not you Bob.
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Its still hard to believe we've lost Dalian, Ugo, Big Cyrille, Samuel and Sir Graham in such a short time.
Paul Birch, Neale Cooper, Eamonn Deacy. We have lost a number of players to untimely deaths.
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It really upsets me.
He shouldn't have died. He was unwell. He was physically weak. He needed help.
Instead he was killed.
We know enough of what happened that night. We know enough about how the police treat people.
Struggle away if you want.
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We know enough of what happened that night. We know enough about how the police treat people.
Please, enlighten us.
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[We know enough of what happened that night. We know enough about how the police treat people.
Please, enlighten us.
Us?
You mean enlighten you.
Do your own research.
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Its still hard to believe we've lost Dalian, Ugo, Big Cyrille, Samuel and Sir Graham in such a short time.
Paul Birch, Neale Cooper, Eamonn Deacy. We have lost a number of players to untimely deaths.
Les Sealey, another from those 80/90s era
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[We know enough of what happened that night. We know enough about how the police treat people.
Please, enlighten us.
Us?
You mean enlighten you.
Do your own research.
Research? What I imagine you class as research is the sort of stuff that would embarrass people with an extensive tin foil hat collection.
Luckily, when you actually need the police they won't have the same pathetic mentality you have.
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There's a very long list of black men who have died in police custody or after 'coming into contact with the police'.
Perhaps Dalian's status as a public figure means that he can't be as easily ignored.
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How comes his accused is out on bail?
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[We know enough of what happened that night. We know enough about how the police treat people.
Please, enlighten us.
Us?
You mean enlighten you.
Do your own research.
Research? What I imagine you class as research is the sort of stuff that would embarrass people with an extensive tin foil hat collection.
Luckily, when you actually need the police they won't have the same pathetic mentality you have.
Imagine whatever you like.
Althoufh it I were to offer you any advice, it would be to try to calm your imagination down. You have gone bezerk in your imagination of me.
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Fuck the police
Really?
Yeah they murdered Dalian.
What's so difficult to understand?
A policeman is accused of murder. You'd have to be particularly dim to equate that one, potentially, rogue officer with all police.
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[We know enough of what happened that night. We know enough about how the police treat people.
Please, enlighten us.
Us?
You mean enlighten you.
Do your own research.
Research? What I imagine you class as research is the sort of stuff that would embarrass people with an extensive tin foil hat collection.
Luckily, when you actually need the police they won't have the same pathetic mentality you have.
Imagine whatever you like.
Althoufh it I were to offer you any advice, it would be to try to calm your imagination down. You have gone bezerk in your imagination of me.
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Fuck the police
Really?
Yeah they murdered Dalian.
What's so difficult to understand?
A policeman is accused of murder. You'd have to be particularly dim to equate that one, potentially, rogue officer with all police.
ok boomer
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It really upsets me.
He shouldn't have died. He was unwell. He was physically weak. He needed help.
Instead he was killed.
We know enough of what happened that night. We know enough about how the police treat people.
Struggle away if you want.
Wow. Just fucking wow.
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Fuck the police
Really?
Yeah they murdered Dalian.
What's so difficult to understand?
A policeman is accused of murder. You'd have to be particularly dim to equate that one, potentially, rogue officer with all police.
ok boomer
Boomer? I'm 33.
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Murder is a BIG ask in terms of a trial verdict, so the CPS must have some pretty damning evidence against that officer (to go for murder instead of manslaughter). Proving intent to kill, especially as it was a taser which is designated a non-lethal weapon - is VERY difficult. I suspect there is something pretty bad in the evidence pack the public is not yet aware of.
Doesn't have to be an intention to kill. Intent to cause grievous ('really serious') harm is enough.
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How comes his accused is out on bail?
For most offences there's a presumption in favour of bail. That was the case for murder until 10 years ago when the presumption was reversed. But the Crown Court can still grant murder suspects bail if there's no significant risk of them causing harm to anyone else. It's very rare though.
Before the presumption changed a police officer (Inspector I think) accused of murdering his wife was granted bail at the Old Bailey. He then killed his mother in law, and then himself.
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[We know enough of what happened that night. We know enough about how the police treat people.
Please, enlighten us.
Us?
You mean enlighten you.
Do your own research.
Research? What I imagine you class as research is the sort of stuff that would embarrass people with an extensive tin foil hat collection.
Luckily, when you actually need the police they won't have the same pathetic mentality you have.
Imagine whatever you like.
Althoufh it I were to offer you any advice, it would be to try to calm your imagination down. You have gone bezerk in your imagination of me.
Seems like you’re the one with the bezerk imagination
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Fuck the police
Eazy now.
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Very good.
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[We know enough of what happened that night. We know enough about how the police treat people.
Please, enlighten us.
Us?
You mean enlighten you.
Do your own research.
Research? What I imagine you class as research is the sort of stuff that would embarrass people with an extensive tin foil hat collection.
Luckily, when you actually need the police they won't have the same pathetic mentality you have.
Imagine whatever you like.
Althoufh it I were to offer you any advice, it would be to try to calm your imagination down. You have gone bezerk in your imagination of me.
Seems like you’re the one with the bezerk imagination
I don't have to imagine anything.
How about instead of imagining a fantastical vision of some tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, or suggesting I'm dim, you acknowledge that a frail man was killed by a police officer using a weapon.
Acknowledge that that police officer has been charged with murder.
How many police officers are wrongly charged with murder?
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Saying "ok boomer" negates any sort of argument anybody may have.
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Saying "ok boomer" negates any sort of argument anybody may have.
Only in your head.
Which no-one other than you cares about.
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Fuck the police
Eazy now.
Easy E
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Saying "ok boomer" negates any sort of argument anybody may have.
Only in your head.
Which no-one other than you cares about.
ok millenial
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Is anyone here a snowflake?
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Is anyone here a snowflake?
I don't know, do I need a costume?
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Okay Boomer?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomer_Esiason
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Cmon, Bob is a H&V legend, be kind.
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Saying "ok boomer" negates any sort of argument anybody may have.
Especially when I'm in my early 30s.
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Is anyone here a snowflake?
Sorry, missed this as I was in my safe space.
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https://images.app.goo.gl/4UxC9tpQrUJnfkEE8 (https://images.app.goo.gl/4UxC9tpQrUJnfkEE8)
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Bob might have a problem with the fact that the police are people just like you and me who just because they happen to wear a uniform are able to control/be violent to the rest of us, more often than not, with impunity.
And he probably thinks that nobody is naïve enough to believe the police control/are violent only to ‘criminals’. Just look at Black Lives Matter in America and the UK, or the recent unlawful actions of the Met Police in London against XR protestors. (These seem like institutional problems rather than ‘one potentially rogue officer’.)
If you are white and/or middle class then your view of the police might be different from if you’re black and/or working class. If the former then Bob might seem like a crank, if the latter then you might think he pretty much hits the nail on the head.
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An educated and rational post, Doc.
However, irrespective of skin colour, anyone that spouts "fuck the police" you can be certain of just who they'll call should they find themselves on the shitty-stick end of criminal activity.
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An educated and rational post, Doc.
However, irrespective of skin colour, anyone that spouts "fuck the police" you can be certain of just who they'll call should they find themselves on the shitty-stick end of criminal activity.
I'm not sure what your point is.
I quite often think/say something similar to 'fuck lorries' when I'm on a motorway when they're being driven irresponsibly. If I'm moving house I'll use somebody with a lorry to shift my stuff. I don't think that makes me a hypocrite.
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I especially think fuck lorries when they decide it's their civil duty to straddle two lanes in roadworks.
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If you want an example of hypocrisy. Driver me - WTF can't those pedestrians be bothered to walk to the nearby pedestrian crossing. Pedestrian me - their cars have breaks, use them, don't expect me to walk out of my way.
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Bob might have a problem with the fact that the police are people just like you and me who just because they happen to wear a uniform are able to control/be violent to the rest of us, more often than not, with impunity.
And he probably thinks that nobody is naïve enough to believe the police control/are violent only to ‘criminals’. Just look at Black Lives Matter in America and the UK, or the recent unlawful actions of the Met Police in London against XR protestors. (These seem like institutional problems rather than ‘one potentially rogue officer’.)
If you are white and/or middle class then your view of the police might be different from if you’re black and/or working class. If the former then Bob might seem like a crank, if the latter then you might think he pretty much hits the nail on the head.
Or you could put it another way:
If you're a criminal, your view of the police might be different from someone who is law abiding.
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Bob might have a problem with the fact that the police are people just like you and me who just because they happen to wear a uniform are able to control/be violent to the rest of us, more often than not, with impunity.
And he probably thinks that nobody is naïve enough to believe the police control/are violent only to ‘criminals’. Just look at Black Lives Matter in America and the UK, or the recent unlawful actions of the Met Police in London against XR protestors. (These seem like institutional problems rather than ‘one potentially rogue officer’.)
If you are white and/or middle class then your view of the police might be different from if you’re black and/or working class. If the former then Bob might seem like a crank, if the latter then you might think he pretty much hits the nail on the head.
Or you could put it another way:
If you're a criminal, your view of the police might be different from someone who is law abiding.
Yeah.
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Yes a police officer killed Atkinson, but other police officers ran an inquest into it and have provided the evidence to see him charged with murder for it. Regardless of whether you think that only happened because he was famous it's still a positive thing and should be treated as such. Attitudes like Bob's are as much of a problem as the police have themselves because the environment of distrust it creates just makes things worse. You have to address that by acknowledging when the police get things right and work with the force to get there.
I worked for the police in various IT jobs for about 18 months and in all that time I saw no difference in terms of attitudes and personalities to any other job, some of them were arseholes, some of them were great people, they had good and bad days. It's a tough job that deals with some awful situations but plenty of times when I spoke to someone who'd had a bad day it wasn't because of the actions of a suspect/criminal but because they were being abused by random people. Some of them make mistakes, some of them do some fucking horrible things and sometimes those mistakes are exacerbated by poor choices afterwards but 'fuck the police' is a pathetic thing to post on a thread where the police, as a force, are doing exactly what the public would want them to and dealing with a problem publicly and appropriately.
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Spot on.
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
Well said Mike. Brilliant post.
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
Well said Mike. Brilliant post.
Thank you Mike, without people like you we would all be worse off.
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
Well said Mike. Brilliant post.
Thank you Mike, without people like you we would all be worse off.
I've only just saw this post. What a brilliant set of comments. As someone who has spent most of my life on the right side of the law with some small misdemeanours like one or two drunken punch ups as a youth i have always admired the job the police do. I know i couldn't do it. As for the Dalian Atkinson story i find it very strange that the charge is murder rather than manslaughter. Lets hope for Dalian and his family that justice prevails and they get to the truth of these tragic events.
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Excellent synopsis of twenty-seven years work. Kudos Mike.
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Thanks Mike, much appreciated
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
*Clapping*
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Well said Mike
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Agreed.
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Heartfelt thanks and respect mike.
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Fantastic post, Mike. Heartfelt respect to you and your colleagues past and present.
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
Thanks for sharing your story so fully Mike. Thank you for your extensive service to serve and protect. It’s deeply disturbing when you get into conversation with police staff how cuts have decimated what the Police can do.
I’ve recently moved home out of London this year, but had for a while a brilliant local Bobby on our patch who was a midlander. It was truly shocking how in a busy/troublesome part of town with a lot of needs and incidents/crime, the number of Bobbies in our little ward was reduced from I think around 5 to 2 with one seconded. Time taken up with eg my bike being nicked or acknowledging kids causing problems in our block and his hands were tied from doing much else of worth.
I can’t help but think of it as so political, and the stark choices ahead, whether we basically pump money in to resus public services or not. My main interactions with Police are within the mental health system and I’ve recently seen some extraordinarily good practice with a joint police/ambulance/NHS mental health street triage team in Beds. I’m deeply grateful for the fast response I’ve seen to protect people I care about. I wish all areas could follow this good practice. We need the cash.
I also try to have some sympathy towards the anger of Bob. I know of shocking very recent stories of prejudice eg in the Met in a dispute between neighbours (horrifically loudly far right neighbours breaking the laws and with hate speech/racist activity) but then the understandably upset black male in a mixed race couple next door getting grief off the Police because the racists were slippery enough to fabricate an allegation and the tables get amazingly turned on who is disturbing the peace.
That’s before stop and search and victims of Police violence.
Clearly there is good and bad in every group, and then also institutional/cultural ‘badness’ that sticks around. My hope is Bob you are heard, not dismissed in (I presume) your concerns about institutional racism and violence that tragically remain. If we’ve witnessed or hear of sustained/repeated abuses its clearly easy to extrapolate, or simply fear.
(Understandable) namecalling isn’t going to help heal the divide, but the judgements do need calling out.
Whilst I recognise it’s the responsibility of the institutions to continue to change/improve, I also hope a story like Mike’s generously shared, might indicate why the labelling of all of the Police as bad is also engaging in prejudice and unhelpful.
Sorry for the length as ever...
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Mike....I couldn't have done your job....hats off to you.
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
99% of plod do it because they care?
OK then.
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Some people ITT capable of reading reference and nuance.
Some living in a bizarre world based on whatever is between their blinkers.
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
99% of plod do it because they care?
OK then.
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
99% of plod do it because they care?
OK then.
Ffs. Have a day off
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What’s your experience with the Police Bob?
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What’s your experience with the Police Bob?
I have family members who have been in the police.
I have close friends who currently work in the police.
I have been arrested twice. Neither time charged.
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
How did you get this job?
Did you need any particular qualifications?
Did you work your way up?
Why did you stay in the job? Was it solely because you care?
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At least we now know who the 'don't be like Bob' memes are based on.
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Fuck the police (its po-po or 5-Oh boomer) qualifies as nuance?
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At least we now know who the 'don't be like Bob' memes are based on.
You are just someone who was bullied st school and who now enjoys a bit of.power as a moderator.
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At least we now know who the 'don't be like Bob' memes are based on.
You are just someone who was bullied st school and who now enjoys a bit of.power as a moderator.
Awww bless. Someone needs a hug.
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Bob, what is your problem here?
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Bob, what is your problem here?
Ignorance of the institutional problems in the police
Arguments against clear evidence of malpractice
A more general problem of submitting to a nebulous sense of authority without proper reason
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What’s your experience with the Police Bob?
I have family members who have been in the police.
I have close friends who currently work in the police.
I have been arrested twice. Neither time charged.
Not trying to provoke, genuine question:
Your family members and close friends that are/were in the Police, i’m hoping they are not wholly bad folk, and probably like all of us have mixed motivations for everything we do? Do you mean you are wholly against them too when in uniform?
Even if we chose to do a role in theory to serve others, presumably there is always some unconscious need being met in us, being the saviour/martyr etc.
I can only speak for myself, I do my job in mental health because of my own lived experience, my ideals, altruistic/activist intentions but equally I get a wage, and also see how people working in the system get shaped by it, and need to watch out for that, lots of issues around working in an imperfect system, picking your battles, compromise. Inevitably too much of my identity, self esteem/worth gets derived from my roles.
I’d presume it’s the same in the Police force, histories of prejudice, opportunities to exhort and abuse power.
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What’s your experience with the Police Bob?
Personally I always found Sting to be pretentious.
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Bob, what is your problem here?
Ignorance of the institutional problems in the police
Arguments against clear evidence of malpractice
A more general problem of submitting to a nebulous sense of authority without proper reason
I get all that Bob, but you are arguing with yourself mate.
No one here to my knowledge has eg suggested those issues aren’t there, has said Police are perfect. We’re discussing it because of alleged incredibly serious malpractice.
The only absolutist position has come from yourself, a F the Police, which others understandably take exception to as there are examples of good practice. I have concerns of Police malpractice, have to pick up the pieces sometimes. But by working with, training them, challenging them constructively, reinforcing the positives, maybe things get better.
I totally get being angry, but I think your are creating more division with your comments rather than helping things improve.
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Bob, what is your problem here?
Ignorance of the institutional problems in the police
Arguments against clear evidence of malpractice
A more general problem of submitting to a nebulous sense of authority without proper reason
There's nothing nebulous about it; the state monopolies violence to enforce the social contract. Without the state having that power it ceases to be.
What were you arrested for?
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Bob, what is your problem here?
Ignorance of the institutional problems in the police
Arguments against clear evidence of malpractice
A more general problem of submitting to a nebulous sense of authority without proper reason
and how does posting like a teenager who just discovered NWA help in any way?
The middle line in particular makes absolutely no sense in context, yes there is clear evidence of malpractice, that's why an internal investigation has found the officer worthy of being charged with murder rather than any of a number of softer sentences. On that basis how are people who are disagreeing with you arguing against that?
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You have gone to great lengths to be diplomatic, pt
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
Well said Mike. Brilliant post.
Seconded. Enjoy your retirement, Mike.
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Bob, what is your problem here?
Ignorance of the institutional problems in the police
Arguments against clear evidence of malpractice
A more general problem of submitting to a nebulous sense of authority without proper reason
and how does posting like a teenager who just discovered NWA help in any way?
The middle line in particular makes absolutely no sense in context, yes there is clear evidence of malpractice, that's why an internal investigation has found the officer worthy of being charged with murder rather than any of a number of softer sentences. On that basis how are people who are disagreeing with you arguing against that?
Read the thread again.
Maybe try a few times.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2W1yzQq3sxs
RIP Dalian. Upsetting to see him on the front pages yesterday.
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Read the thread again.
Maybe try a few times.
Which particular bit do you think supports you? No one disagrees that the officer was in the wrong, no one is upset that he's facing criminal charges. Some people are grown-up enough to offer comments beyond your brand of bullshit.
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What’s your experience with the Police Bob?
Personally I always found Sting to be pretentious.
Ah. Bob, ‘n Vic and the famous ‘tommy squeaker’ interview, always worth dusting off,
https://youtu.be/O4Zot1i7bJk
It’s almost enough to begin forgive him off the solo career.
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Read the thread again.
Maybe try a few times.
Which particular bit do you think supports you? No one disagrees that the officer was in the wrong, no one is upset that he's facing criminal charges. Some people are grown-up enough to offer comments beyond your brand of bullshit.
I said fuck the police
Because a policeman murdered Dalian
Can I make it any more basic for you?
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A policeman is alleged to have murdered him. There will be a trial and the Court will hear evidence.
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Ok, my final word Bob. Equally basic. Are you saying F your ex/Police family and friends too?
Presumably they are not directly involved in what happened to this ex-Villa player with severe physical and mental health issues?
Do you actually want things to get better or stay with anger and polarity?
Will leave you with those questions and your feelings.
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A policeman is alleged to have murdered him. There will be a trial and the Court will hear evidence.
What's your point?
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Ok, my final word Bob. Equally basic. Are you saying F your ex/Police family and friends too?
Presumably they are not directly involved in what happened to this ex-Villa player with severe physical and mental health issues?
Do you actually want things to get better or stay with anger and polarity?
Will leave you with those questions and your feelings.
Respect you views pt.
Yes I include family members and friends in the umbrella of 'the police'.
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A policeman is alleged to have murdered him. There will be a trial and the Court will hear evidence.
What's your point?
You said a policeman murdered Dalian. He might have, but we will find out once the trial is complete and justice has been served.
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Read the thread again.
Maybe try a few times.
Which particular bit do you think supports you? No one disagrees that the officer was in the wrong, no one is upset that he's facing criminal charges. Some people are grown-up enough to offer comments beyond your brand of bullshit.
You are speaking on behalf if other people
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A policeman is alleged to have murdered him. There will be a trial and the Court will hear evidence.
What's your point?
You said a policeman murdered Dalian. He might have, but we will find out once the trial is complete and justice has been served.
You have to be particularly dim to think he wasn't murdered
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A policeman is alleged to have murdered him. There will be a trial and the Court will hear evidence.
What's your point?
You said a policeman murdered Dalian. He might have, but we will find out once the trial is complete and justice has been served.
You have to be particularly dim to think he wasn't murdered
The officer, like anybody else, has the benefit of the presumption of innocence. The Crown must prove their case.
I've not seen any of the evidence to come to a conclusion. What evidence have you seen?
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Read the thread again.
Maybe try a few times.
Which particular bit do you think supports you? No one disagrees that the officer was in the wrong, no one is upset that he's facing criminal charges. Some people are grown-up enough to offer comments beyond your brand of bullshit.
You are speaking on behalf if other people
No, I'm pointing out what's been said in the thread. If you think you can find a post defending the policeman in this then good luck but otherwise all this little exchange serves is to show that I, and numerous other people who have called you out, have a much better understanding of this thread than you do.
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Read the thread again.
Maybe try a few times.
Which particular bit do you think supports you? No one disagrees that the officer was in the wrong, no one is upset that he's facing criminal charges. Some people are grown-up enough to offer comments beyond your brand of bullshit.
You are speaking on behalf if other people
No, I'm pointing out what's been said in the thread. If you think you can find a post defending the policeman in this then good luck but otherwise all this little exchange serves is to show that I, and numerous other people who have called you out, have a much better understanding of this thread than you do.
No that is solely your, incorrect, analysis.
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I agree with Paul, so it's not solely at all.
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A policeman is alleged to have murdered him. There will be a trial and the Court will hear evidence.
What's your point?
You said a policeman murdered Dalian. He might have, but we will find out once the trial is complete and justice has been served.
You have to be particularly dim to think he wasn't murdered
The officer, like anybody else, has the benefit of the presumption of innocence. The Crown must prove their case.
I've not seen any of the evidence to come to a conclusion. What evidence have you seen?
You haven't seen any evidence?
Then yours is a false appeal to authority.
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A policeman is alleged to have murdered him. There will be a trial and the Court will hear evidence.
What's your point?
You said a policeman murdered Dalian. He might have, but we will find out once the trial is complete and justice has been served.
You have to be particularly dim to think he wasn't murdered
The officer, like anybody else, has the benefit of the presumption of innocence. The Crown must prove their case.
I've not seen any of the evidence to come to a conclusion. What evidence have you seen?
You haven't seen any evidence?
Then yours is a false appeal to authority.
No, I've not. Have you? What evidence have you seen that leads you to conclude, beyond reasonable doubt, that Dalian was murdered?
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A policeman is alleged to have murdered him. There will be a trial and the Court will hear evidence.
What's your point?
You said a policeman murdered Dalian. He might have, but we will find out once the trial is complete and justice has been served.
You have to be particularly dim to think he wasn't murdered
The officer, like anybody else, has the benefit of the presumption of innocence. The Crown must prove their case.
I've not seen any of the evidence to come to a conclusion. What evidence have you seen?
You haven't seen any evidence?
Then yours is a false appeal to authority.
No, I've not. Have you? What evidence have you seen that leads you to conclude, beyond reasonable doubt, that Dalian was murdered?
The same evidence everyone who has entered this thread has seen.
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Apart from you.
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What is your problem here?
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So, none then. Gotcha.
A car rolls up, who can it be?
A fresh El Camino rolled kilo G
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Pathetic
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The same evidence everyone who has entered this thread has seen.
Which is insufficient to charge him with murder, which is why that was a discussion on here.
No, I'm pointing out what's been said in the thread. If you think you can find a post defending the policeman in this then good luck but otherwise all this little exchange serves is to show that I, and numerous other people who have called you out, have a much better understanding of this thread than you do.
No that is solely your, incorrect, analysis.
Again no, it's based on the views shared in the thread.
Given you told me to read it these 2 posts seem to show that you have very little understanding of what's been said in here.
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The evidence is in public domain
Details of Dalian's death are not hard to find
Nor are details of his physical and mental health
Do I have to wait for The Crown to tell me what happened?
Am I allowed to make.my.own assessment?
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Oh, so it's ok for you to quote NWA lyrics, but when somebody else quotes (an infinitely superior) track, its pathetic? Or did you mean the assessment of your view, based on your own admission that you have no evidence to support your conclusion, that a murder has taken place? Or maybe both?
Pathetic is generalizing a whole group of people based on the actions of a single person or small group. You massive racist. You must be a racist as you're a Villa fan and 20 or so Villa fans were being racist at Norwich ergo you're racist and something something something Ice Cube or maybe Dr Dre.
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The same evidence everyone who has entered this thread has seen.
Which is insufficient to charge him with murder, which is why that was a discussion on here.
No, I'm pointing out what's been said in the thread. If you think you can find a post defending the policeman in this then good luck but otherwise all this little exchange serves is to show that I, and numerous other people who have called you out, have a much better understanding of this thread than you do.
No that is solely your, incorrect, analysis.
Again no, it's based on the views shared in the thread.
Given you told me to read it these 2 posts seem to show that you have very little understanding of what's been said in here.
Clearly not insufficient to charge him with murder
Given that he has been charged with murder
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This is all pretty unseemly and therefore disrespectful to Dalian's memory I reckon.
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Oh, so it's ok for you to quote NWA lyrics, but when somebody else quotes (an infinitely superior) track, its pathetic? Or did you mean the assessment of your view, based on your own admission that you have no evidence to support your conclusion, that a murder has taken place? Or maybe both?
Pathetic is generalizing a whole group of people based on the actions of a single person or small group. You massive racist. You must be a racist as you're a Villa fan and 20 or so Villa fans were being racist at Norwich ergo you're racist and something something something Ice Cube or maybe Dr Dre.
Oh, so it's ok for you to quote NWA lyrics, but when somebody else quotes (an infinitely superior) track, its pathetic? Or did you mean the assessment of your view, based on your own admission that you have no evidence to support your conclusion, that a murder has taken place? Or maybe both?
Pathetic is generalizing a whole group of people based on the actions of a single person or small group. You massive racist. You must be a racist as you're a Villa fan and 20 or so Villa fans were being racist at Norwich ergo you're racist and something something something Ice Cube or maybe Dr Dre.
ok boomer
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You've used that one before. You use a lot of words that you dont appear to understand. Here's some Latin that you wont riddle; what evidence have you seen that leads you to conclude that the officer had the requisite mens rea for murder?
You haven't, is the short answer. So stop the sub judice and let justice be done.
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The evidence is in public domain
Details of Dalian's death are not hard to find
Nor are details of his physical and mental health
Do I have to wait for The Crown to tell me what happened?
Am I allowed to make.my.own assessment?
Are you honestly this thick? Details of his death are easy to find, correct, can you you use those details to ensure a conviction of murder? Do you even understand the distinction between murder and manslaughter?
Once more, because you're clearly struggling, by charging him with murder the review has clearly found enough evidence to think they have a chance of getting that conviction, or the charge would've been manslaughter. Most people would've expected that as the highest charge in this case so there is clearly something no one on this thread has seen which makes the actions of the officer worse.
As for the bold bit, you do if you have any belief in the criminal justice system, it's kinda the point.
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For fuck sake Bob, you have me and Ads agreeing now.
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You massive racist. You must be a racist as you're a Villa fan and 20 or so Villa fans were being racist at Norwich ergo you're racist and something something something Ice Cube or maybe Dr Dre.
You need help.
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You've used that one before. You use a lot of words that you dont appear to understand. Here's some Latin that you wont riddle; what evidence have you seen that leads you to conclude that the officer had the requisite mens rea for murder?
You haven't, is the short answer. So stop the sub judice and let justice be done.
The evidence is in public domain
Details of Dalian's death are not hard to find
Nor are details of his physical and mental health
Do I have to wait for The Crown to tell me what happened?
Am I allowed to make.my.own assessment?
Are you honestly this thick? Details of his death are easy to find, correct, can you you use those details to ensure a conviction of murder? Do you even understand the distinction between murder and manslaughter?
Once more, because you're clearly struggling, by charging him with murder the review has clearly found enough evidence to think they have a chance of getting that conviction, or the charge would've been manslaughter. Most people would've expected that as the highest charge in this case so there is clearly something no one on this thread has seen which makes the actions of the officer worse.
As for the bold bit, you do if you have any belief in the criminal justice system, it's kinda the point.
You whole analysis naive in the extreme
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For fuck sake Bob, you have me and Ads agreeing now.
It's a sign of the Rapture. Quick hide Sexual Ealing before God shows up!
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He was killed. Not necessarily murdered.
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You whole analysis naive in the extreme
In the dummies guide to debate you used did it not cover the idea that you need to provide counter-arguments and evidence? So far your contribution has been "fuck the police", "he was murdered" and lots of psycho-babble that you're not even using properly. So how about answering some of the many questions you've ignored.
Can you see anyone on the thread defending the police officer or suggesting the charge is unfair?
Can you confirm if you believe in the idea of a codified justice system?
Can you provide links to evidence which shows, without doubt, that a murder was committed? (as a subset of this can you explain the difference between murder and manslaughter?)
Can you provide evidence of anyone here arguing against police malpractice?
Can you explain how an internal review finding evidence leading to a charge of murder against an officer makes this an example of an instituitional problem?
Can you understand that the previous question in no way suggests that I, or anyone else, is denying that the police have problems?
Can you understand that, the very best outcome of an attitude of 'fuck the police' is an extension of the problems and that it serves no purpose nor does it have any place on a thread about the incredibly sad death of a much loved former Villa player?
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Well said, Paul.
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Well said, Paul.
Echo that.
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For fuck sake Bob, you have me and Ads agreeing now.
It's a sign of the Rapture. Quick hide Sexual Ealing before God shows up!
The last thing I need right now is a fucking Rapture. Fuck's sake.
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For fuck sake Bob, you have me and Ads agreeing now.
It's a sign of the Rapture. Quick hide Sexual Ealing before God shows up!
The last thing I need right now is a fucking Rapture. Fuck's sake.
You’re more a ‘Dreaming’ or ‘Sunday Girl’ type of guy.
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Looking forward to Bob tearing Paul e a new one ;D
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For fuck sake Bob, you have me and Ads agreeing now.
It's a sign of the Rapture. Quick hide Sexual Ealing before God shows up!
The last thing I need right now is a fucking Rapture. Fuck's sake.
You’re more a ‘Dreaming’ or ‘Sunday Girl’ type of guy.
Union City Blue for me as I live in the (well, a) city.
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This is all pretty unseemly and therefore disrespectful to Dalian's memory I reckon.
Completely agree.
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What is your problem here?
My problem is that you're turning into a policeaphobic version of Tommy Robinson, potentially threatening a trial you so desperately want. Stop it now.
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Can't we just accept that an esteemed member of this board might not be crazy about the rozzers and this latest episode confirms what many of us suspected.
No need for a pissing contest or endless quotathons.
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This is all pretty unseemly and therefore disrespectful to Dalian's memory I reckon.
Completely agree.
This.
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What I find so sad is where they show the picture of him in the Asics home shirt. He looks so young, I remember when he signed, saw most of the games he ever played for us, the goals, THAT goal.
..and now all these years on and he's dead. RIP Dalian.
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
How did you get this job?
Did you need any particular qualifications?
Did you work your way up?
Why did you stay in the job? Was it solely because you care?
I had already come to the same conclusion as Chicago Lion that this continued debate is disrespectful to Dalian and had no intention of contributing further to it but I want to answer these questions. I joined by an application process as you do. I can’t recall what qualifications I needed but I grew up on a deprived council estate, got four A levels and a good degree from one of the better universities. I refused to apply to Oxbridge because of my family’s generational and enduring belief in Socialism and equality. I quickly got onto a fast promotion scheme but stepped off it to stay working at the coal face because that’s why I joined. I stayed because I was able to help and make a difference. I left early for that über stereotypical police reason of becoming a househusband. I stayed because when my mates were talking about earning a fortune in the city, I could say I protected vulnerable people. As another poster says, saying fuck the police because of what those two did and why is like saying fuck Villa fans because amongst our number we count violent idiots and racists.
Now thought to Dalian and his family and leave it at that.
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Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people. I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob
How did you get this job?
Did you need any particular qualifications?
Did you work your way up?
Why did you stay in the job? Was it solely because you care?
I had already come to the same conclusion as Chicago Lion that this continued debate is disrespectful to Dalian and had no intention of contributing further to it but I want to answer these questions. I joined by an application process as you do. I can’t recall what qualifications I needed but I grew up on a deprived council estate, got four A levels and a good degree from one of the better universities. I refused to apply to Oxbridge because of my family’s generational and enduring belief in Socialism and equality. I quickly got onto a fast promotion scheme but stepped off it to stay working at the coal face because that’s why I joined. I stayed because I was able to help and make a difference. I left early for that über stereotypical police reason of becoming a househusband. I stayed because when my mates were talking about earning a fortune in the city, I could say I protected vulnerable people. As another poster says, saying fuck the police because of what those two did and why is like saying fuck Villa fans because amongst our number we count violent idiots and racists.
Now thought to Dalian and his family and leave it at that.
Well said. Please don't rise to bobs bait anymore. This is about one of our own who died in tragic circumstances.
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What I find so sad is where they show the picture of him in the Asics home shirt. He looks so young, I remember when he signed, saw most of the games he ever played for us, the goals, THAT goal.
..and now all these years on and he's dead. RIP Dalian.
If you listen very carefully, you can hear me shouting "Pass the ball! Pass the ball! Oh for f... brilliant goal Dalian".
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What I find so sad is where they show the picture of him in the Asics home shirt. He looks so young, I remember when he signed, saw most of the games he ever played for us, the goals, THAT goal.
..and now all these years on and he's dead. RIP Dalian.
If you listen very carefully, you can hear me shouting "Pass the ball! Pass the ball! Oh for f... brilliant goal Dalian".
I was there for THAT goal and you’re right most people on the Holmesdale were encouraging him to pass it to Deano. It was a beautiful moment to be part of and experience.
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What I find so sad is where they show the picture of him in the Asics home shirt. He looks so young, I remember when he signed, saw most of the games he ever played for us, the goals, THAT goal.
..and now all these years on and he's dead. RIP Dalian.
If you listen very carefully, you can hear me shouting "Pass the ball! Pass the ball! Oh for f... brilliant goal Dalian".
I was there for THAT goal and you’re right most people on the Holmesdale were encouraging him to pass it to Deano. It was a beautiful moment to be part of and experience.
I was doing the same, Yorke (I think?) had made a run and was in acres of space. I loved that team.
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There are a lot of people on the margins of society who lack respect for the police and when something tragic like this happens, they become emotional and use hyperbole. Much the same can be said of football fans in general.
There are many, many examples of the police not approaching their work in the right way, when they should be above reproach. There are also many examples of the police really stepping up to do work and protect people that most of us couldn't do. Some of our police officers are killed in the line of duty, which is abhorrent and wrong.
I'm not sure Bob's response is the one I'd agree with, but I understand why he may be one of people who feels that way. Much the same as I'd not agree with someone who says the sun shines out of police arses.
We've all been away fans, herded about and treated like shit by the police haven't we? Nottingham Forest away is one example that gets mentioned on here now and again.
We see examples from the States, where young black men are routinely beaten, or killed, and protests start as a result. because, yes, there are many in the police force who don't act responsibly.
So sometimes, yeah, fuck the police. But no, not all the time, not even a majority of the time, in fact probably a very small minority of the time.
It would be helpful if Bob could contextualise his point. Otherwise perhaps he should shut up.
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Please excuse my ignorance but what else needs to be said really other than "Rest in Peace Dalian, and thanks for the memories".
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What I find so sad is where they show the picture of him in the Asics home shirt. He looks so young, I remember when he signed, saw most of the games he ever played for us, the goals, THAT goal.
..and now all these years on and he's dead. RIP Dalian.
If you listen very carefully, you can hear me shouting "Pass the ball! Pass the ball! Oh for f... brilliant goal Dalian".
I was there for THAT goal and you’re right most people on the Holmesdale were encouraging him to pass it to Deano. It was a beautiful moment to be part of and experience.
I was doing the same, Yorke (I think?) had made a run and was in acres of space. I loved that team.
Me too. The team, the kit, the awaydays. Magic.
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So sometimes, yeah, fuck the police. But no, not all the time, not even a majority of the time, in fact probably a very small minority of the time.
This was my point, when this happened I could understand people being upset and saw many similar sentiments and had no issue with it. My problem was that everything that happened last week showed that the police were doing the right thing, exactly as we'd ask of them, making it the wrong time to make such a blanket statement.
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There are a lot of people on the margins of society who lack respect for the police and when something tragic like this happens, they become emotional and use hyperbole. Much the same can be said of football fans in general.
There are also a lot of people on the margins of society who have been on the receiving end of grave injustices, which provokes a strong reaction. In my experience, it's not so much about the small minority of individuals in the force who've done the wrong thing, although this does happen occasionally. It's the systemic, ingrained problem, usually to do with race, which can be pervasive. And people on the margins of society feel, and in most cases truly are, powerless to do anything about it... which breeds deep anger and resentment, hence the reactions.
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Guys, this is about Dalian, not our views on the police. My input was on the basis that 'fuck the police' is as reductive as 'fuck taxi drivers', 'fuck Villa fans', 'fuck blonde people' or indeed 'fuck [insert any big, varied group of human beings]'. That way lies 'fuck black people with mental health problems'. None of us knew him, none of us know Jack Grealish or John McGinn. They're great footballers with a loyalty to the club and the fans and for that reason we will support and cherish their memories in years to come. We have had troubled heroes like McGrath and Merson and fantastic role models like Southgate and Taylor. So talk about Dalian, talk about the incident, talk about these two officers, but let's not make this thread a cause of division and dispute.
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My only comment would be that truly believe the vast majority of police officers who have a tremendously difficult job to do are upstanding and genuinely good people. What I don't like is when bad cops are rarely called out by politicians not looking to lose the support of the union, or the police union not policing themselves adequately and simpling getting rid of the bad apples. They stand together so the perception quickly gets created that they are all bad, and mainly because bad stuff gets highlited far more readily than the many good things they do. You see it in the US now for example where despite numerous terrible incidents against innocent black men the majority of charged officers walk free and naturally keep their job. Even when the innocent party dies and evidence is almost overwhelmingly against the officer. It creates such a toxic atmosphere in the communities they serve and an inherent lack of trust. Until they solve this from within it won't ever go away.
I hope in this case if indeed the officer wilfully caused the death of Dalian he is treated like a civilian and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
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At this point that's what is happening, we'll have to wait and see what happens from here but this currently being handled exactly as it should be.
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There are many times when it isn’t reductive to say ‘fuck… this group or that.’ To say fuck racists, fuck ableists, fuck homophobes and misogynists and fascists and all the rest is to be in solidarity with those groups who are attacked for simply being who they are.
And people might say fuck the police for much the same reason they say fuck racists. The police have a record of continuously discriminating against black people. Look at Black Lives Matter, as I mentioned previously, or the way in which the police bungled (which is being kind) the Stephen Lawrence murder investigation and then thought the best way to make up for it was to spy on Stephen Lawrence’s parents!
And of course, it isn’t just ethnic minorities, in my lifetime alone the mentally ill (Stefan Kiszko) Irish people (Birmingham Six, the Guilford Four), striking miners (Orgreave), football fans (Hillsborough), protest groups (such as uncover police infiltrating groups, spying on them and even starting families with women in the group) have been falsely imprisoned, beat up, abused and killed because of the police.
It doesn’t seem to be a problem of whether an individual officer is good or bad, it seems like a systematic problem.
I have no idea what the answer is. I have used the police before and as kieron rightly said, I would use them again if I was in trouble. But given their record I can’t be too critical of Bob for being so angry as to say fuck them.
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And of course, there's still no sign of a public inquiry into what happened at Orgreave.
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Dalian signed for us 29 years ago today.
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I wish we had another one like him.
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I wish we had another one like him.
We do. I rate Archer as potentially better.
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I watched that film 'Marvellous' the other night, about the Stoke City kit man, Neil Baldwin. A lovely, feel good film indeed. Anyway towards the end they show the friendly for Cowans testimonial between Villa and Stoke in 1993. Dalian wasn't playing, although he'd played all the games at the end of the season, and our other big names all played. David Platt came back for it as well, and scored. Anybody remember why Dalian didn't play?
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I wish we had another one like him.
We do. I rate Archer as potentially better.
If you're right, then bring it on: Dalian was one of the most underrated players of his time in terms of his skill.
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Dalian signed for us 29 years ago today.
Dalian and Bosnich were both great in our cup winning run in 1994. I always thought Deano was a good influence on Dalian. They were a good partnership.
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Dalian signed for us 29 years ago today.
Dalian and Bosnich were both great in our cup winning run in 1994. I always thought Deano was a good influence on Dalian. They were a good partnership.
Probably my all time two favourite Villa players.
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Dalian signed for us 29 years ago today.
Dalian and Bosnich were both great in our cup winning run in 1994. I always thought Deano was a good influence on Dalian. They were a good partnership.
Probably my all time two favourite Villa players.
Same. Good times, those two up front were such a good partnership. I still rate Bozzie as one of the best I’ve ever seen in goal.
I wonder what social media would have made of what Boz did at White Hart Lane.... ?
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Dalian signed for us 29 years ago today.
Dalian and Bosnich were both great in our cup winning run in 1994. I always thought Deano was a good influence on Dalian. They were a good partnership.
Probably my all time two favourite Villa players.
Same. Good times, those two up front were such a good partnership. I still rate Bozzie as one of the best I’ve ever seen in goal.
I wonder what social media would have made of what Boz did at White Hart Lane.... ?
Oh yes, it would be world news now. I was only 14 at the time, but I remember our tutor group at high school having a meeting about it. Me and two other Villa fans sat there not really knowing what to say, but feeling the eyes of the rest of our group on us!
Best goalkeeper ever for me, Bozzie.
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I see that due to coronavirus restrictions the case is now pushed back to April 2021.
I see that it will be at Birmingham Crown Court.
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Dalian signed for us 29 years ago today.
Dalian and Bosnich were both great in our cup winning run in 1994. I always thought Deano was a good influence on Dalian. They were a good partnership.
Probably my all time two favourite Villa players.
Same. Good times, those two up front were such a good partnership. I still rate Bozzie as one of the best I’ve ever seen in goal.
I wonder what social media would have made of what Boz did at White Hart Lane.... ?
Oh yes, it would be world news now. I was only 14 at the time, but I remember our tutor group at high school having a meeting about it. Me and two other Villa fans sat there not really knowing what to say, but feeling the eyes of the rest of our group on us!
Best goalkeeper ever for me, Bozzie.
Bozzie was best Villa keeper I have seen. He was on way to being one of the best in the world whilst with us in my opinion. I met him once at Dwight Yorke's birthday party (my cousin lived next door to Yorke in Shustoke)
and he was a nice guy. I think he got big headed with the move to United. Roy Keane wrote in his autobiography that Bosnich rocked up late for his first day of training at United and cockily tried to brazen it out instead of apologising. Not a good idea when you are technically the new kid on the block and your team mates have just won the treble. I knew a guy in Tenerife who knew Bosnich well and apparently he used to like to party and consume things associated with partying. Bosnich actually injured himself jumping from one balcony to another in Tenerife whilst on holiday with Yorke.
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He was goalie you'd pay money to watch, and there haven't been many of them down the years.
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He wa
He was goalie you'd pay money to watch, and there haven't been many of them down the years.
Exactly. Made the impossible seem possible when he was in net.
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He was goalie you'd pay money to watch, and there haven't been many of them down the years.
There was a save against Liverpool which was absolutely superhuman. I've never to this day seen a keeper fly so far and so high to save a shot going into the top corner. Astonishing.
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There was the cup-tie v. Cov where he fly-hacked a deflected shot to safety. The crowd applauded the save for a full minute afterwards.
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Four year ago today, and still the full story isn't known. RIP Dalian.
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So sad isn’t it? You wonder how long it’s going to take.
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The Court case is next year. It’s a relatively straight forward story, which for obvious reasons I cant post on here.
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He waHe was goalie you'd pay money to watch, and there haven't been many of them down the years.
Exactly. Made the impossible seem possible when he was in net.
Unfortunately, his 50p feet didn't take too well to the back pass rule!
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He waHe was goalie you'd pay money to watch, and there haven't been many of them down the years.
Exactly. Made the impossible seem possible when he was in net.
Unfortunately, his 50p feet didn't take too well to the back pass rule!
He couldn't kick a ball to save his life could he? Having said that neither could Steve Sims and he was an outfield player who in the first half of our promotion season in 1987 took all of the free kicks we got deep in our own half. Home and away you could guarantee that from a free kick he would kick the ball out of play and then quizzically examine his boot to find out how and why it had let him down.
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He waHe was goalie you'd pay money to watch, and there haven't been many of them down the years.
Exactly. Made the impossible seem possible when he was in net.
Unfortunately, his 50p feet didn't take too well to the back pass rule!
He couldn't kick a ball to save his life could he? Having said that neither could Steve Sims and he was an outfield player who in the first half of our promotion season in 1987 took all of the free kicks we got deep in our own half. Home and away you could guarantee that from a free kick he would kick the ball out of play and then quizzically examine his boot to find out how and why it had let him down.
Ken McNaught did the same for six years.
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Dalian signed for us 29 years ago today.
Dalian and Bosnich were both great in our cup winning run in 1994. I always thought Deano was a good influence on Dalian. They were a good partnership.
Probably my all time two favourite Villa players.
Same. Good times, those two up front were such a good partnership. I still rate Bozzie as one of the best I’ve ever seen in goal.
I wonder what social media would have made of what Boz did at White Hart Lane.... ?
Oh yes, it would be world news now. I was only 14 at the time, but I remember our tutor group at high school having a meeting about it. Me and two other Villa fans sat there not really knowing what to say, but feeling the eyes of the rest of our group on us!
Best goalkeeper ever for me, Bozzie.
Bozzie was best Villa keeper I have seen. He was on way to being one of the best in the world whilst with us in my opinion. I met him once at Dwight Yorke's birthday party (my cousin lived next door to Yorke in Shustoke)
and he was a nice guy. I think he got big headed with the move to United. Roy Keane wrote in his autobiography that Bosnich rocked up late for his first day of training at United and cockily tried to brazen it out instead of apologising. Not a good idea when you are technically the new kid on the block and your team mates have just won the treble. I knew a guy in Tenerife who knew Bosnich well and apparently he used to like to party and consume things associated with partying. Bosnich actually injured himself jumping from one balcony to another in Tenerife whilst on holiday with Yorke.
so many talented players at that point. Imagine if Doug had managed to get fergie in
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If he had and ole Red Nose had had the same inauspicious start as he had in Manchester then his feet wouldn't have touched the ground on the way out of the door.
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Poor Dalian and his family. Must be hard to heal from his death when this still hasn't been resolved.
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If he had and ole Red Nose had had the same inauspicious start as he had in Manchester then his feet wouldn't have touched the ground on the way out of the door.
In his five full seasons before they won the league, they won three trophies and pre-European ban would have qualified for Europe four times. He was already their most successful manager apart from Matt Busby.
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If he had and ole Red Nose had had the same inauspicious start as he had in Manchester then his feet wouldn't have touched the ground on the way out of the door.
In his five full seasons before they won the league, they won three trophies and pre-European ban would have qualified for Europe four times. He was already their most successful manager apart from Matt Busby.
Yep, they came second in his first full season.
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Red Issue still embarrassed themselves by wanting him gone, which reflected a section of their support.
I guess the moral of the tale is less about giving managers time, just in case they go from being pretty darn good to best ever and more that Man United fans are utter twats.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Efjmk7aXYAMu91Q?format=jpg&name=small)
Summer of 1991. That was a really good and fun team to watch. And even better the season after when Deano arrived and we just missed out on the title. Sad to think of those players we lost 4 of then so very young.
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He had a cracking start with that amazing day in Sheffield didn’t he?
Scored and set up Stan Staunton’s winner.
What a bloody great day that was.
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All our 90s teams were great.
Such a good mix of experience and youth in them. Bozzy was pretty young for a keeper when he broke through and you forget how young Yorke still was even at start of 1995 season and he'd been with us for years. Add in great experience signing God, Townsend and Staunton.
Then in late 90s we had Merson and Dublin as been it seen it done it players combined with Hendrie and Barry.
Seems a little odd to me we seem to ignore the template now but guess that's just a reflection of how the transfer market has changed and our general standing as a club has reduced.
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Richardson had won the league with Everton and Arsenal too. The way he got Tait sent off was amusing.
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An article in The Guardian about his time in Spain.
Goals, class, a red Ferrari: Aldridge, Richardson and Atkinson at la Real (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/feb/25/aldridge-richardson-and-atkinson-at-real-sociedad-goals-class-red-ferrari)
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An article in The Guardian about his time in Spain.
Goals, class, a red Ferrari: Aldridge, Richardson and Atkinson at la Real (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/feb/25/aldridge-richardson-and-atkinson-at-real-sociedad-goals-class-red-ferrari)
Read that earlier, it made me smile, especially the bit where Dalian asks about the town of Burgos where they next play, gets negative feedback, so decides he's not going. And doesn't.
Ties in with Andy Townshend saying how he got himself booked at the end of a game because it meant a suspension for the Boxing Day game, and was rubbing it in because he's now got the day off.
Some might be 'disgusted' by such behaviour, but you can see that his teammates there adored him. I did too, on his day there were none better, in 92-93 he was sensational right up until the injury at Anfield in January, had he stayed fit things may have been different.
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I agree Lee, my favourite Villa player ever.
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Apart from maybe Yorke was there anyone ever as skilful and powerful than Dalian in his heyday? He really was majestic.
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An article in The Guardian about his time in Spain.
Goals, class, a red Ferrari: Aldridge, Richardson and Atkinson at la Real (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/feb/25/aldridge-richardson-and-atkinson-at-real-sociedad-goals-class-red-ferrari)
I have just read that article and was going to post here. A very well written article. Dalian seemed like a lovely bloke
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I've posted a couple of times about the time we had a group of u16's over on a football trip and we were privileged to be allowed into the Bodymoor training pitch where the first-team squad were training. I'd written to the club but wasn't expecting the treatment we received.
Anyway, after training was over and the kids were getting autographs, mainly the Irish players, Dalian was the last player to go inside after everyone that wanted an autograph got one. He even went over to the gate where all the other spectators who hadn't had the privilege that we had received and made sure they got theirs.
I have a treasured photograph of him signing my then fifteen-year-old son's book, I'd love to post it on here but continually fail to master how to do it.
RIP Dalian.
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Apart from maybe Yorke was there anyone ever as skilful and powerful than Dalian in his heyday? He really was majestic.
We shouldn't forget that we were gutted when Dalian got injured during the run in of the '92/'93 season and we had to 'settle' for the untried Yorke in his place. I would say it was around '95 when Yorke progressed to being the real deal.
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Apart from maybe Yorke was there anyone ever as skilful and powerful than Dalian in his heyday? He really was majestic.
We shouldn't forget that we were gutted when Dalian got injured during the run in of the '92/'93 season and we had to 'settle' for the untried Yorke in his place. I would say it was around '95 when Yorke progressed to being the real deal.
I was at Anfield the day he got injured, he'd looked as good it that first half as I'd ever seen him, they were petrified of him. He pulled up, and then they scored straight after, I remember thinking we'd got no chance in the second half.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/feb/25/aldridge-richardson-and-atkinson-at-real-sociedad-goals-class-red-ferrari
Article about Dalian's time in Spain here. Bit about Rico as well
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Trial starts on Tuesday, such a long time has passed. RIP Dalian.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/feb/25/aldridge-richardson-and-atkinson-at-real-sociedad-goals-class-red-ferrari
Article about Dalian's time in Spain here. Bit about Rico as well
Fascinating stuff. He obviously turned it on in the bigger games - the list of Spanish teams there is impressive and obviously he often scored against Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool here too plus the two crucial ones vs Tranmere. I think he scored in all of the first three Premier League home games against United.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-56979521
An update on the ongoing court case.
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I know it's only one side of the story but based on what the court heard today those two coppers sound like absolute wrong uns.
Tasering someone for half a minute while they're unconscious is ridiculous.
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Dave has asked that people stick to facts, and the thread in the main forum is locked. My very basic legal understanding is that discussing the facts of a case is OK, but giving any opinion on whether people involved are guilty or not could end up being a serious contempt of court issue.
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It's not a surprise if Villa fans want to express their thoughts if they've read the publicly available reporting of Dalian's death today.
I've read The Guardian's reporting. Maybe when the verdicts are in?
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It's not a surprise if Villa fans want to express their thoughts if they've read the publicly available reporting of the circumstances of Dalian's death today.
I've read The Guardian's reporting. Maybe when the verdicts are in?
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It's not a surprise if Villa fans want to express their thoughts if they've read the publicly available reporting of Dalian's death today.
I've read The Guardian's reporting. Maybe when the verdicts are in?
When the verdicts are in you can say what you like, within the usual bounds of libel and legality. Until then, stick to the reported facts of the case.
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Dave has asked that people stick to facts, and the thread in the main forum is locked. My very basic legal understanding is that discussing the facts of a case is OK, but giving any opinion on whether people involved are guilty or not could end up being a serious contempt of court issue.
In a nutshell, yes.
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I don't quite get the legal side of things, but is Munk denying murder and manslaughter or kicking Dalian twice in the head?
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Dave has asked that people stick to facts, and the thread in the main forum is locked. My very basic legal understanding is that discussing the facts of a case is OK, but giving any opinion on whether people involved are guilty or not could end up being a serious contempt of court issue.
I'd be astounded if West Midlands Police decide to prosecute a random person on the internet for commenting on a court case as high profile as this one.
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Dave has asked that people stick to facts, and the thread in the main forum is locked. My very basic legal understanding is that discussing the facts of a case is OK, but giving any opinion on whether people involved are guilty or not could end up being a serious contempt of court issue.
I'd be astounded if West Midlands Police decide to prosecute a random person on the internet for commenting on a court case as high profile as this one.
It's sub judice. Trials have been jeopardised for less.
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Dave has asked that people stick to facts, and the thread in the main forum is locked. My very basic legal understanding is that discussing the facts of a case is OK, but giving any opinion on whether people involved are guilty or not could end up being a serious contempt of court issue.
I'd be astounded if West Midlands Police decide to prosecute a random person on the internet for commenting on a court case as high profile as this one.
It's sub judice. Trials have been jeopardised for less.
I'm not disputing the strict legal definition, but search for Dalian Atkinson on Twitter and you'll find thousands of posts about it.
Driving at 31 in a 30 zone is illegal but no one's ever gone to prison for doing it.
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Dave has asked that people stick to facts, and the thread in the main forum is locked. My very basic legal understanding is that discussing the facts of a case is OK, but giving any opinion on whether people involved are guilty or not could end up being a serious contempt of court issue.
I'd be astounded if West Midlands Police decide to prosecute a random person on the internet for commenting on a court case as high profile as this one.
It's sub judice. Trials have been jeopardised for less.
I'm not disputing the strict legal definition, but search for Dalian Atkinson on Twitter and you'll find thousands of posts about it.
Driving at 31 in a 30 zone is illegal but no one's ever gone to prison for doing it.
I couldn't care less what happens anywhere else. The case is sub judice, so on here we stick to the facts.
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Although given the number of very high profile current and ex-players having their say, they'd be arresting an awful lot of people.
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Although given the number of very high profile current and ex-players having their say, they'd be arresting an awful lot of people.
Indeed. God and Ian Taylor will be sharing a cell based on their social media activity.
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Any news on how much longer this trial is going to last?
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The Judge is due to begin summing up tomorrow so it should be finished within the next few days, depending on how long the jury is out for.
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The Judge is due to begin summing up tomorrow so it should be finished within the next few days, depending on how long the jury is out for.
Thanks Richard
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Although given the number of very high profile current and ex-players having their say, they'd be arresting an awful lot of people.
Indeed. God and Ian Taylor will be sharing a cell based on their social media activity.
The issue is that as this is Dave's site he's responsible for what's on here as much as the person posting.
Anyway, the verdict is in now in him. Guilty. Still deciding on her.
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I've just come across this. Dalian making Ronald Koeman look a bit silly.
https://twitter.com/90sfootball/status/1440314877369851904?s=19