Yes I wasn't suggesting that Villa cut our nose off to spite our faces and hand the twats three points for free.
Yes I wasn't suggesting that Villa cut our nose off to spite our faces and hand the twats three points for free.
Don't see why this shouldn't be considered in all honesty. If it's as important an issue as we all apparently seem to think it is, the club should boycott the game entirely and damn the points.
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You'd be hard pressed to find a more pro Palestinian area of the UK then Aston, or even Birmingham as a whole. Personally, the club taking a stand on behalf of many of it's supporters would be an incredibly proud moment for many of us, especially in an era where 'principle' is a word rarely backed up by action.
I presume we will get appropriate compensation for loss of revenue?
No it hasn't, but it does seem that things might be escalating now all the main news is picking it up. So DB is asking about IF it is cancelled.
The United States government will try to prevent any attempt to ban Israel from competing at the 2026 World Cup.
QuoteThe United States government will try to prevent any attempt to ban Israel from competing at the 2026 World Cup.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2xpwedy5no
QuoteThe United States government will try to prevent any attempt to ban Israel from competing at the 2026 World Cup.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2xpwedy5no
God, I hate it when politics gets dragged into sport. Enough of this shit. Roll on kick off.
Not really. Zionism used to mean thinking Jewish people should be able to live somewhere. It now means that the state of Israel should be able to take over the whole of Palestine. Perfectly acceptable to oppose it, IMO.
Yeah, but someone said "Zionists".
Yeah, but someone said "Zionists".I think you're a good old fashioned Jew Hater. In the UEFA thread you called Maccabi fans "sub-human filth" and in this one you said ban Israel "murdering scum" or some such bollocks. You try to justify it all by saying that it's not to do with which sky fairy they worship but where were your outraged posts on October 8th when Hamas started it all murdering innocents by stuffing hand grenades into women's vaginas and kidnapping children and the elderly. There is wrong on both sides but if you attack Israel you will get it paid back many times over because you are a country made up of descendents of a genocide that killed 6 million people in the gas chambers.
I would let Israeli teams play (and Russian ones as well, for that matter) but I would ban the fans.
God, I hate it when politics gets dragged into sport. Enough of this shit. Roll on kick off.Same here, because at the end of the day the world moves on and they will probably be the best of friends in the future
I would let Israeli teams play (and Russian ones as well, for that matter) but I would ban the fans.
And what would stop their fans turning up anyway?
Yeah, but someone said "Zionists".I think you're a good old fashioned Jew Hater. In the UEFA thread you called Maccabi fans "sub-human filth" and in this one you said ban Israel "murdering scum" or some such bollocks. You try to justify it all by saying that it's not to do with which sky fairy they worship but where were your outraged posts on October 8th when Hamas started it all murdering innocents by stuffing hand grenades into women's vaginas and kidnapping children and the elderly. There is wrong on both sides but if you attack Israel you will get it paid back many times over because you are a country made up of descendents of a genocide that killed 6 million people in the gas chambers.
So I don't give a fuck if this gets me banned cos I'm sick of this place being stuffed full of fucking moronic postings from racist fascist leftie ****** who only ever see one side of the story.
Cdbearsfan you're a Jew hating fascist . I hope you rot in hell with Hitler and all your other brothers in Jew hating arms.
I would let Israeli teams play (and Russian ones as well, for that matter) but I would ban the fans.
And what would stop their fans turning up anyway?
I'm also pretty sure that "we" (i.e the club) don't have the power to just decide that we're banning a particular set of away supporters.
I think I’ve finally found a thread that doesn’t include a post slagging Matty Cash off. Do I win £5?
I'm also pretty sure that "we" (i.e the club) don't have the power to just decide that we're banning a particular set of away supporters.The club doesn't have the power to ban another team of players either. I meant, that's what UEFA etc. should do.
And what would stop their fans turning up anyway?And doing what?
It takes two to tango
Yeah, but someone said "Zionists".I think you're a good old fashioned Jew Hater. In the UEFA thread you called Maccabi fans "sub-human filth" and in this one you said ban Israel "murdering scum" or some such bollocks. You try to justify it all by saying that it's not to do with which sky fairy they worship but where were your outraged posts on October 8th when Hamas started it all murdering innocents by stuffing hand grenades into women's vaginas and kidnapping children and the elderly. There is wrong on both sides but if you attack Israel you will get it paid back many times over because you are a country made up of descendents of a genocide that killed 6 million people in the gas chambers.
So I don't give a fuck if this gets me banned cos I'm sick of this place being stuffed full of fucking moronic postings from racist fascist leftie ****** who only ever see one side of the story.
Cdbearsfan you're a Jew hating fascist . I hope you rot in hell with Hitler and all your other brothers in Jew hating arms.
Funniest rant I’ve read in ages.
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Maaate, Bibi is a nice cuddly fella who would not harm a fly, let alone murder 30 thousand innocent children.Yeah, but someone said "Zionists".I think you're a good old fashioned Jew Hater. In the UEFA thread you called Maccabi fans "sub-human filth" and in this one you said ban Israel "murdering scum" or some such bollocks. You try to justify it all by saying that it's not to do with which sky fairy they worship but where were your outraged posts on October 8th when Hamas started it all murdering innocents by stuffing hand grenades into women's vaginas and kidnapping children and the elderly. There is wrong on both sides but if you attack Israel you will get it paid back many times over because you are a country made up of descendents of a genocide that killed 6 million people in the gas chambers.
So I don't give a fuck if this gets me banned cos I'm sick of this place being stuffed full of fucking moronic postings from racist fascist leftie ****** who only ever see one side of the story.
Cdbearsfan you're a Jew hating fascist . I hope you rot in hell with Hitler and all your other brothers in Jew hating arms.
Irish famine Vs pub bombings being a good example, two prime examples of human shittiness V others who were totally innocent?
But that's the card Israel play - what happened in the 30s/40s gives them a get out of jail free card ☹️
"You called Maccabi fans "sub-human filth" and in this one you said ban Israel "murdering scum" or some such bollocks. You try to justify it all by saying that it's not to do with which sky fairy they worship but where were your outraged posts on October 8th when Hamas started it all murdering innocents by stuffing hand grenades into women's vaginas and kidnapping children and the elderly. There is wrong on both sides but if you attack Israel you will get it paid back many times over because you are a country made up of descendents of a genocide that killed 6 million people in the gas chambers." Hmmm, I thought the Bible said an eye for an eye not an aye for 60? Or do certain human beings have an higher value?
Yeah, but someone said "Zionists".I think you're a good old fashioned Jew Hater. In the UEFA thread you called Maccabi fans "sub-human filth" and in this one you said ban Israel "murdering scum" or some such bollocks. You try to justify it all by saying that it's not to do with which sky fairy they worship but where were your outraged posts on October 8th when Hamas started it all murdering innocents by stuffing hand grenades into women's vaginas and kidnapping children and the elderly. There is wrong on both sides but if you attack Israel you will get it paid back many times over because you are a country made up of descendents of a genocide that killed 6 million people in the gas chambers.
So I don't give a fuck if this gets me banned cos I'm sick of this place being stuffed full of fucking moronic postings from racist fascist leftie ****** who only ever see one side of the story.
Cdbearsfan you're a Jew hating fascist . I hope you rot in hell with Hitler and all your other brothers in Jew hating arms.
Funniest rant I’ve read in ages.
Easy enough get out clause"You called Maccabi fans "sub-human filth" and in this one you said ban Israel "murdering scum" or some such bollocks. You try to justify it all by saying that it's not to do with which sky fairy they worship but where were your outraged posts on October 8th when Hamas started it all murdering innocents by stuffing hand grenades into women's vaginas and kidnapping children and the elderly. There is wrong on both sides but if you attack Israel you will get it paid back many times over because you are a country made up of descendents of a genocide that killed 6 million people in the gas chambers." Hmmm, I thought the Bible said an eye for an eye not an aye for 60? Or do certain human beings have an higher value?
But whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout...
But that's the card Israel play - what happened in the 30s/40s gives them a get out of jail free card ☹️
As soon as Israel was attacked I said they will now flatten Palestine, the Jews learnt a lesson from world war 2,we won't be fucked around again
As soon as Israel was attacked I said they will now flatten Palestine, the Jews learnt a lesson from world war 2,we won't be fucked around again
Are you Jewish, then? Not that it makes any difference, I just didn't know.
No what that's got to do with the price of breadAs soon as Israel was attacked I said they will now flatten Palestine, the Jews learnt a lesson from world war 2,we won't be fucked around again
Are you Jewish, then? Not that it makes any difference, I just didn't know.
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Sorry I ever doubted you.
CorrectAs soon as Israel was attacked I said they will now flatten Palestine, the Jews learnt a lesson from world war 2,we won't be fucked around again
Are you Jewish, then? Not that it makes any difference, I just didn't know.
I don't believe so, I think he was just putting himself in Israel's position.
CorrectAs soon as Israel was attacked I said they will now flatten Palestine, the Jews learnt a lesson from world war 2,we won't be fucked around again
Are you Jewish, then? Not that it makes any difference, I just didn't know.
I don't believe so, I think he was just putting himself in Israel's position.
Irish famine Vs pub bombings being a good example, two prime examples of human shittiness V others who were totally innocent?
Just trying to point out the Israeli mindset since the holocaust of world war 2, thanks a lot I will now crack onCorrectAs soon as Israel was attacked I said they will now flatten Palestine, the Jews learnt a lesson from world war 2,we won't be fucked around again
Are you Jewish, then? Not that it makes any difference, I just didn't know.
I don't believe so, I think he was just putting himself in Israel's position.
Fair enough. Slightly different scenarios, October 7th and the Holocaust, but as somebody from Essex might say, crack on.
Just trying to point out the Israeli mindset since the holocaust of world war 2, thanks a lot I will now crack onCorrectAs soon as Israel was attacked I said they will now flatten Palestine, the Jews learnt a lesson from world war 2,we won't be fucked around again
Are you Jewish, then? Not that it makes any difference, I just didn't know.
I don't believe so, I think he was just putting himself in Israel's position.
Fair enough. Slightly different scenarios, October 7th and the Holocaust, but as somebody from Essex might say, crack on.
Irish famine Vs pub bombings being a good example, two prime examples of human shittiness V others who were totally innocent?
Would you ever fuck off
Touched a nerve brontebilly? Cause and effect mate, how about engaging a brain cell and finding a solution you for the benefit of our kids you twat!
Touched a nerve brontebilly? Cause and effect mate, how about engaging a brain cell and finding a solution you for the benefit of our kids you twat!
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Sorry I ever doubted you.
I thought it might make it to 15 pages. The only guarantee is that zero minds will be changed.
I'm on page 7. Does that make me a loser?
I'm on page 7. Does that make me a loser?
No, it makes you normal and not a social deviant.
What were those vans on Trinity Road before the game with digital "Block Israel" signs all about? Had they got the wrong game?
What were those vans on Trinity Road before the game with digital "Block Israel" signs all about? Had they got the wrong game?
I mean, they're just getting their point across early as it is starting to get media attention. One of the sky sports blokes was at Villa Park yesterday talking about the situation. It's just applying pressure (that won't change anything).
That’s the maddest thing I’ve ever seen posted on here. And I was here for the bloke that always had breakfast pudding, but didn’t know why he was fat.Hold on .. breakfast pudding? Like a bowl of cereals, or a proper pudding?
That’s the maddest thing I’ve ever seen posted on here. And I was here for the bloke that always had breakfast pudding, but didn’t know why he was fat.Hold on .. breakfast pudding? Like a bowl of cereals, or a proper pudding?
When I go to a Premier Inn, I'll always have a 3 course breakfast (marmalade croissant for starters, cooked breakfast main, bowl of granola with a sprinkling of coco pops for "pudding") ... but that's the exception, I only do that cos it means I don't really need to bother with a middle-of-the-day meal.
That’s the maddest thing I’ve ever seen posted on here. And I was here for the bloke that always had breakfast pudding, but didn’t know why he was fat.
Quote from: RobertMurphyI've had a terrible day.
2 Sausage and bacon sandwiches.
a tube of pringles
5 jam doughnuts
1 large fish from the chippy
1 pie
1 sausage
1 savaloy
2 spring rolls
1 large chips
2 large curry sauces
3 dairy milks
a mcchiken sandwich meal with a milksahe
1 family size bag of revals
1 muller lite.
Its a bit late for calorie counting!
God, I hate it when politics gets dragged into sport. Enough of this shit. Roll on kick off.
You'll hate it when the IDF deliberately targets and murders players from the Palestine national team, then, yes?
God, I hate it when politics gets dragged into sport. Enough of this shit. Roll on kick off.
You'll hate it when the IDF deliberately targets and murders players from the Palestine national team, then, yes?
My understanding - the people that currently run Palestine (suggested to be Hamas) want all the jews dead - not just the football team?
This part of the world is dominated by religious bollocks - maybe it should just be turned into a car park and people start to live their lives accordingly.
In this media driven world we live in you would not bet against some stupid twat to try and make a name for themselves and cause an issue in the ground - on that basis if i were the Police i would insist on it being played behind closed doors with both clubs being compensated by UEFA
My understanding - the people that currently run Palestine (suggested to be Hamas) want all the jews dead - not just the football team?With respect, you really need to read more for better understanding.
Maybe Aston?God, I hate it when politics gets dragged into sport. Enough of this shit. Roll on kick off.
You'll hate it when the IDF deliberately targets and murders players from the Palestine national team, then, yes?
My understanding - the people that currently run Palestine (suggested to be Hamas) want all the jews dead - not just the football team?
This part of the world is dominated by religious bollocks - maybe it should just be turned into a car park and people start to live their lives accordingly.
In this media driven world we live in you would not bet against some stupid twat to try and make a name for themselves and cause an issue in the ground - on that basis if i were the Police i would insist on it being played behind closed doors with both clubs being compensated by UEFA
When you say 'this part of the world' do you mean Gaza? Israel? The Middle East?
Touched a nerve brontebilly? Cause and effect mate, how about engaging a brain cell and finding a solution you for the benefit of our kids you twat!
And the same goes for you.
Moderation resources are being wasted.Touched a nerve brontebilly? Cause and effect mate, how about engaging a brain cell and finding a solution you for the benefit of our kids you twat!Same applies to you.
In this media driven world we live in you would not bet against some stupid twat to try and make a name for themselves and cause an issue in the ground - on that basis if i were the Police i would insist on it being played behind closed doors with both clubs being compensated by UEFAI imagine it’s going to be an absolute nightmare to police. Having the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans there I imagine would near guarantee trouble.
How about we play the game of football, with us fans inside who have already purchased tickets because we want to go and let WMP handle 400-500 idiots that want to play up (if that is indeed their intention) how they do best.I think it will be fine and nothing that "our finest" can't handle.
Fuck me they handle the derby, they handled the 700 mayonnaise lot the other year, they stopped Celtic getting too big of a hiding; WMP have always been bang up for this sort of baton waving. I'm sure they'll be fine.
"Ring of steel" and "behind closed doors". Fuck me listen to yourselves.
They play their home games in Serbia as Netanyahu is twinned with Milošević.
They play their home games in Serbia as Netanyahu is twinned with Milošević.Very good!
It's not the Mayonaise lot I'm worried out, what if those anti-semitic bake sellers turn up?
God, I hate it when politics gets dragged into sport. Enough of this shit. Roll on kick off.
You'll hate it when the IDF deliberately targets and murders players from the Palestine national team, then, yes?
My understanding - the people that currently run Palestine (suggested to be Hamas) want all the jews dead - not just the football team?
This part of the world is dominated by religious bollocks - maybe it should just be turned into a car park and people start to live their lives accordingly.
In this media driven world we live in you would not bet against some stupid twat to try and make a name for themselves and cause an issue in the ground - on that basis if i were the Police i would insist on it being played behind closed doors with both clubs being compensated by UEFA
When you say 'this part of the world' do you mean Gaza? Israel? The Middle East?
How about we play the game of football, with us fans inside who have already purchased tickets because we want to go and let WMP handle 400-500 idiots that want to play up (if that is indeed their intention) how they do best.Watching 15 polish ultras throwing plastic bottles of mayo, from the safety of the holte, was the scariest thing I’d seen since watching Bugsy Malone. Not exactly Leeds or Millwall coming to town in the 80s.
Fuck me they handle the derby, they handled the 700 mayonnaise lot the other year, they stopped Celtic getting too big of a hiding; WMP have always been bang up for this sort of baton waving. I'm sure they'll be fine.
"Ring of steel" and "behind closed doors". Fuck me listen to yourselves.
How about we play the game of football, with us fans inside who have already purchased tickets because we want to go and let WMP handle 400-500 idiots that want to play up (if that is indeed their intention) how they do best.Watching 15 polish ultras throwing plastic bottles of mayo, from the safety of the holte, was the scariest thing I’d seen since watching Bugsy Malone. Not exactly Leeds or Millwall coming to town in the 80s.
Fuck me they handle the derby, they handled the 700 mayonnaise lot the other year, they stopped Celtic getting too big of a hiding; WMP have always been bang up for this sort of baton waving. I'm sure they'll be fine.
"Ring of steel" and "behind closed doors". Fuck me listen to yourselves.
As an aside I was driving through Lozells the other day as I do quite often and there are Palestine flags everywhere, makes a change from the flag of St George being force fed.
lots of people feeling strongly enough to have their flags waving, are pretty obviously going to walk a mile down the road, to confront the Tel Aviv supporters and their rep as well as protesting in general about the genocide. Because of the political context and emotiveness, it won’t be like your average football ruck. I think it has the potential to go off in Birmingham that day as well
I’ll probably go to watch villa if its on as thats what i do. I sense UEFA probably will make a decision though.
Also take into account that Maccabi fans will be looking to attack Muslims, as they did in Amsterdam.
Also take into account that Maccabi fans will be looking to attack Muslims, as they did in Amsterdam.
Of course, and I worry that they'll know they need far more people than will have tickets for that so we'd get a lot of extra visitors here just for the shit-stirring.
In this media driven world we live in you would not bet against some stupid twat to try and make a name for themselves and cause an issue in the ground - on that basis if i were the Police i would insist on it being played behind closed doors with both clubs being compensated by UEFAI imagine it’s going to be an absolute nightmare to police. Having the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans there I imagine would near guarantee trouble.
Even without them, the game will be a dickhead magnet. Think the only sensible way to deal with it is to either strictly segregate (bus them in) or outright ban away supporters, and put up police cordons around the ground to check that you can’t even get in the vicinity of the ground without a ticket. At that stage it’s maybe easier just to play it behind closed doors, mind.
Can’t see it plays in our favour to not play the game if UEFA aren’t taking a stand, however much we think they should (and they absolutely should take a stand IMO)
The people I know don't mind the flags of England being displayed on lamp postsHow about we play the game of football, with us fans inside who have already purchased tickets because we want to go and let WMP handle 400-500 idiots that want to play up (if that is indeed their intention) how they do best.Watching 15 polish ultras throwing plastic bottles of mayo, from the safety of the holte, was the scariest thing I’d seen since watching Bugsy Malone. Not exactly Leeds or Millwall coming to town in the 80s.
Fuck me they handle the derby, they handled the 700 mayonnaise lot the other year, they stopped Celtic getting too big of a hiding; WMP have always been bang up for this sort of baton waving. I'm sure they'll be fine.
"Ring of steel" and "behind closed doors". Fuck me listen to yourselves.
As an aside I was driving through Lozells the other day as I do quite often and there are Palestine flags everywhere, makes a change from the flag of St George being force fed.
lots of people feeling strongly enough to have their flags waving, are pretty obviously going to walk a mile down the road, to confront the Tel Aviv supporters and their rep as well as protesting in general about the genocide. Because of the political context and emotiveness, it won’t be like your average football ruck. I think it has the potential to go off in Birmingham that day as well
I’ll probably go to watch villa if its on as thats what i do. I sense UEFA probably will make a decision though.
Also take into account that Maccabi fans will be looking to attack Muslims, as they did in Amsterdam.
Of course, and I worry that they'll know they need far more people than will have tickets for that so we'd get a lot of extra visitors here just for the shit-stirring.
Some people are just super chill about the risk of violence to the local Muslim population and anybody else though, just want to watch a bit of footy and don’t want tofu knitting libtards ruining a night on the beers.
I'm incredibly shocked.Shock at what
No surprise there.Surprised at what
Also take into account that Maccabi fans will be looking to attack Muslims, as they did in Amsterdam.
Of course, and I worry that they'll know they need far more people than will have tickets for that so we'd get a lot of extra visitors here just for the shit-stirring.
Some people are just super chill about the risk of violence to the local Muslim population and anybody else though, just want to watch a bit of footy and don’t want tofu knitting libtards ruining a night on the beers.
I mean you do come across as that stereotype given your Mrs Lovejoy "petrified" comments early. Jaysus.
If people want to fight, then those with violent intent deserve everything that is coming to them; may the kosh strike firm, the cuffs be too tight and the cell floor cold. The civilised amongst us will ignore the twats and go to the game.
Posters can speak for themselves, but at a guess, comments you have posted in the past or on this thread, may lead to the belief that you know people, perhaps are friends with people, who are happy with the current regime of sticking union jacks and st georges flags up everywhere and what lies behind those efforts.No surprise there.Surprised at what
You mean right wing views I gatherPosters can speak for themselves, but at a guess, comments you have posted in the past or on this thread, may lead to the belief that you know people, perhaps are friends with people, who are happy with the current regime of sticking union jacks and st georges flags up everywhere and what lies behind those efforts.No surprise there.Surprised at what
The people organising the mass flagging waving are a bit more that ‘right wing and are racist’, I’d acknowledge the complexities with the mindsets of some people supporting rather than organising the distribution of flags, but from my own experiences its often encouraged a pride in a nationalism that underneath everything is anti-non white dressed up as anti illegal immigration.You mean right wing views I gatherPosters can speak for themselves, but at a guess, comments you have posted in the past or on this thread, may lead to the belief that you know people, perhaps are friends with people, who are happy with the current regime of sticking union jacks and st georges flags up everywhere and what lies behind those efforts.No surprise there.Surprised at what
You did mention about people being forced fed England and British flags, also I would definitely like other posters to speak for themselves about what posts they felt were incorrectThe people organising the mass flagging waving are a bit more that ‘right wing and are racist’, I’d acknowledge the complexities with the mindsets of some people supporting rather than organising the distribution of flags, but from my own experiences its often encouraged a pride in a nationalism that underneath everything is anti-non white dressed up as anti illegal immigration.You mean right wing views I gatherPosters can speak for themselves, but at a guess, comments you have posted in the past or on this thread, may lead to the belief that you know people, perhaps are friends with people, who are happy with the current regime of sticking union jacks and st georges flags up everywhere and what lies behind those efforts.No surprise there.Surprised at what
But this has been discussed in off topic and I don’t want to dilute this thread further. As I said other posters who commented on your post can speak for themselves.
Have UEFA or anyone with authority made any noise about banning Israeli teams or is it just speculation from the internet?
Once Trump has brought peace to Gaza next week with his 21-point plan, it'll be a moot point.I believe it's now 22 points. Point 22 refers to planning permission for beach front Trump Tower Resort Kingdom.
Have UEFA or anyone with authority made any noise about banning Israeli teams or is it just speculation from the internet?The latter, I believe.
Because they didn't bomb Qatar before the tournament started. And because UEFA are twats.
Because they didn't bomb Qatar before the tournament started. And because UEFA are twats.
They have made a right mess of thw whole thinbg now CD. God knows whats going to happen. They allowed them to play a game so how the hell you going to decide in the rest? Clown show
Because they didn't bomb Qatar before the tournament started. And because UEFA are twats.
They have made a right mess of thw whole thinbg now CD. God knows whats going to happen. They allowed them to play a game so how the hell you going to decide in the rest? Clown show
Also take into account that Maccabi fans will be looking to attack Muslims, as they did in Amsterdam.
Of course, and I worry that they'll know they need far more people than will have tickets for that so we'd get a lot of extra visitors here just for the shit-stirring.
Some people are just super chill about the risk of violence to the local Muslim population and anybody else though, just want to watch a bit of footy and don’t want tofu knitting libtards ruining a night on the beers.
I mean you do come across as that stereotype given your Mrs Lovejoy "petrified" comments early. Jaysus.
If people want to fight, then those with violent intent deserve everything that is coming to them; may the kosh strike firm, the cuffs be too tight and the cell floor cold. The civilised amongst us will ignore the twats and go to the game.
Your line that you only find trouble if you go looking for it doesn’t stand up, but it’s a nice show of privilege.
The difference with this one is that you don't know where any potential problems might come from. The Maccabi supporters might want to meet a few pro-Palestinians, who in turn may be whipped up in the days before the match by stories about Zionists invading their territory. Then there's potential matchday protestors, who could be up town or at the ground. The local yout' having a look around and using the night as an opportunity to get a bit of their own back on the invaders who disrupt the neighbourhood every couple of weeks. Our own ne'erdowells getting involved. The possibilities are endless and unlike normally, with codes of conduct and only fighting their own, on this occasion all such bets may well be off.
The locals would be targeted by the Maccabi twats, exactly as happened in Amsterdam.
The locals would be targeted by the Maccabi twats, exactly as happened in Amsterdam.
This is what I fear may happen. Said locals retaliate, liars pretend it’s anti-semitism, morons believe it, like they often do.
It might be, but wouldn’t ‘p***’ suffice ?The locals would be targeted by the Maccabi twats, exactly as happened in Amsterdam.
This is what I fear may happen. Said locals retaliate, liars pretend it’s anti-semitism, morons believe it, like they often do.
Depends if the Paki Crews* mobilise.
They can act as Rapid Vienna as they want in large groups, but if I were a Jew, I wouldn't want to find myself on my own in Aston.
I think we're more likely to see a handful of wet Israelis than anything.
*Their own name at my school, not mine.
It might be, but wouldn’t ‘p***’ suffice ?The locals would be targeted by the Maccabi twats, exactly as happened in Amsterdam.
This is what I fear may happen. Said locals retaliate, liars pretend it’s anti-semitism, morons believe it, like they often do.
Depends if the Paki Crews* mobilise.
They can act as Rapid Vienna as they want in large groups, but if I were a Jew, I wouldn't want to find myself on my own in Aston.
I think we're more likely to see a handful of wet Israelis than anything.
*Their own name at my school, not mine.
I used the word Jews in off topic and the pearl clutching was staggering
The difference with this one is that you don't know where any potential problems might come from. The Maccabi supporters might want to meet a few pro-Palestinians, who in turn may be whipped up in the days before the match by stories about Zionists invading their territory. Then there's potential matchday protestors, who could be up town or at the ground. The local yout' having a look around and using the night as an opportunity to get a bit of their own back on the invaders who disrupt the neighbourhood every couple of weeks. Our own ne'erdowells getting involved. The possibilities are endless and unlike normally, with codes of conduct and only fighting their own, on this occasion all such bets may well be off.I mostly agree with this except with the part about "get a bit of their own back". Aston and Witton under 30s are mostly Villa albeit not regular match attendees.
I also fear an unholy alliance between Maccabi fans and our racist thugs.
Thanks Olaf for articulating this better than anyone else, although I'm pleasantly surprised that locals support Villa.I live and work local to Villa Park and can confirm that more and more of the community are becoming attached to their local club which is great. In my local corner shop recently I witnessed some good natured banter with some lads ribbing the shopkeeper because he's a Man United "supporter" who's never been to a game.
Yep, that was one of my first thoughts. The game will be a dickhead magnet even without the Maccabi fans.I also fear an unholy alliance between Maccabi fans and our racist thugs.
"ours" as in the club or "ours" as in the countries? Because I can certainly picture some of the people on the 150k march being up for travel to Birmingham for some "brown-skin" bashing business.
Celtics ultras wandering around town and being allowed to sing pro IRA shit last year proves how clueless West Midlands finest can be.Was surprised (well, only mildly) when I went to Belfast in the summer - was on a bus down the falls road with a load of youths, they started singing “ooh ahh up the ‘ra” which … well, I’d assumed at least over there that they’d not be so keen on that kind of stuff these days. Not in terms of any wide support anyway.
I feel if Villa did cancel this tie from their end it's something we could look back on with pride. But they may not have to, it's a situation that is developing as we speak.Absolutely.
Thanks Olaf for articulating this better than anyone else, although I'm pleasantly surprised that locals support Villa.I live and work local to Villa Park and can confirm that more and more of the community are becoming attached to their local club which is great. In my local corner shop recently I witnessed some good natured banter with some lads ribbing the shopkeeper because he's a Man United "supporter" who's never been to a game.
Onto the match against Maccabi. I'm confident that our right wing element will stay well out of it. The police will have to be very stringent with enforcing a ring of steel around the ground and escorting them to and from the ground.
If Maccabi fans are allowed to travel in from Israel I'd avoid town like the plague as there will quite literally be fireworks. Celtics ultras wandering around town and being allowed to sing pro IRA shit last year proves how clueless West Midlands finest can be.
There has been more stories about certain teams and associations potentially asking for a vote, hence it hitting legitimate news sites.
There has been more stories about certain teams and associations potentially asking for a vote, hence it hitting legitimate news sites.
I think the issue is Norway playing Israel in the next international break. Feel like Norway are putting it out there they will refuse to play the fixture (they were one of the more vocal nations about the Qatar World Cup although they didn't qualify for that) so UEFA can't just accept that and then let the club side just get on with playing in the Europa league.
Ideally they'd have made the decision before the actual tournament started as not sure what would happen, fixtures get cancelled and we and the other opponents for Tel Aviv are awarded three points? So that would disrupt the league table if we just look at it from sporting POV.
There has been more stories about certain teams and associations potentially asking for a vote, hence it hitting legitimate news sites.
I think the issue is Norway playing Israel in the next international break. Feel like Norway are putting it out there they will refuse to play the fixture (they were one of the more vocal nations about the Qatar World Cup although they didn't qualify for that) so UEFA can't just accept that and then let the club side just get on with playing in the Europa league.
Ideally they'd have made the decision before the actual tournament started as not sure what would happen, fixtures get cancelled and we and the other opponents for Tel Aviv are awarded three points? So that would disrupt the league table if we just look at it from sporting POV.
They won't get banned by UEFA, that ship sailed the moment they kicked off against PAOK.
I don't know what has changed since the draw was made that would mean they should be kicked out now and not before. if anything the situation might be improving 9relatively). Either way if they are stopped from playing we lose money but take the 3 points through non fulfillment of the fixture (if it up to me).
I feel if Villa did cancel this tie from their end it's something we could look back on with pride. But they may not have to, it's a situation that is developing as we speak.Absolutely.
No way our VP should play host to this team.
Why would you want to go down and watch us play this team?
Yes, let’s prioritise the freedom of travelling hooligans (notoriously so) from a foreign country over the safety and security of our Police, fans, and residents of Birmingham instead.
Yes, let’s prioritise the freedom of travelling hooligans (notoriously so) from a foreign country over the safety and security of our Police, fans, and residents of Birmingham instead.
I can't blame WMP for this decision at all. Having a bunch of MTV thugs arrive in Aston, a predominantly Muslim area, would be needlessly high risk. I shan't be going.
Yes, let’s prioritise the freedom of travelling hooligans (notoriously so) from a foreign country over the safety and security of our Police, fans, and residents of Birmingham instead.
Lets prioritise the Villa squashing no marks and WMP doing their job if they need to.
I can't blame WMP for this decision at all. Having a bunch of MTV thugs arrive in Aston, a predominantly Muslim area, would be needlessly high risk. I shan't be going.
Because there happen to be a number of Muslims living in the area does not make it a 'muslim area'. We live in a free country where any citizen, of any religion or none, should be free to go. There should not be any 'no go areas' dominated by ANY group.
Does no one think there would be "thugs" from both sides intent on trouble - surely it would not be just one side? You only have to see the violence caused by the pro Palestine marchers each week to see that they are hardly passive in their views.
If the Police can do a derby between us and the dogshitters then i am sure they could manage this if they wanted to.
I think it is being used as a political pawn rather than a genuine safety concern and for Starmer to use it by claiming its wrong on Antisemitism, then he is an even bigger cnut than everyone thinks he is - his party hate the jews almost as much as they do the working class.
And talk that Villa should foresake the points in a virtue signalling expression is madness in my mind.
Does no one think there would be "thugs" from both sides intent on trouble - surely it would not be just one side? You only have to see the violence caused by the pro Palestine marchers each week to see that they are hardly passive in their views.
If the Police can do a derby between us and the dogshitters then i am sure they could manage this if they wanted to.
I think it is being used as a political pawn rather than a genuine safety concern and for Starmer to use it by claiming its wrong on Antisemitism, then he is an even bigger cnut than everyone thinks he is - his party hate the jews almost as much as they do the working class.
And talk that Villa should foresake the points in a virtue signalling expression is madness in my mind.
I think it’s probably for the best if we forfeit the game for the sake of the police, emergency workers and people of Birmingham.
I think it’s probably for the best if we forfeit the game for the sake of the police, emergency workers and people of Birmingham.
You must be joking
I think it's more the potential of outside influences rather than just because of Maccabi fans. I'd assume WMP along with others are privy to a lot of intelligence that we aren't. Just look at the shite being spouted on both sides in the past 24 hours, from people with fuck all association to Villa or Maccabi. The lead up to the game would have stoked it even more if Maccabi fans were allowed.
It’s more about the police not being able to predict or control the actions/threat from non-footballing sections of the community that would want to attack/harrass the macabi fans. Not a great look for Brum.
It’s more about the police not being able to predict or control the actions/threat from non-footballing sections of the community that would want to attack/harrass the macabi fans. Not a great look for Brum.
I'm sure you meant to say "and MTA fans provoking trouble and looking for reactions at all times".
It’s more about the police not being able to predict or control the actions/threat from non-footballing sections of the community that would want to attack/harrass the macabi fans. Not a great look for Brum.
I'm sure you meant to say "and MTA fans provoking trouble and looking for reactions at all times".
Like The Green Brigade walking around Birmingham signing about the IRA and then getting turned over later in the evening?
The worst thing about all this is it gives voice to the most annoying, boring and ignorant fuckers on any side.
Sophie Corcoran receiving some good replies to this post - https://x.com/sophielouisecc/status/1978962952507072730
This is what she said: Has anyone seen a single Aston Villa or primer league player condemn the banning of maccabi tel aviv fans yet?
And yes, she did say primer. Not techie enough to know how to show the actual link. In the main the replies are along the lines of why should they,
The whole thing has been terrible for my business.
Does anyone want to buy a box of 500 Israel/Palestine half and half scarves?
The whole thing has been terrible for my business.
Does anyone want to buy a box of 500 Israel/Palestine half and half scarves?
Get SPZL printed on them and you'll be laughing
Sophie Corcoran @sophielouisecc
15h
The FA forced us to take the knee over non existent racism in the UK
Yet are letting Aston Villa get away with actual racism
Sophie Corcoran @sophielouisecc
16h
I assume all the footballers who are taking the knee against racism will do so for the blatant racism showed by Aston Villa against the Jewish people and that they will put their money where there mouth is and call out the FA for this.
No point pretending to be anti racist otherwise
If you're wondering what type of person Sophie isQuoteSophie Corcoran @sophielouisecc
15h
The FA forced us to take the knee over non existent racism in the UK
Yet are letting Aston Villa get away with actual racism
Does anyone want to buy a box of 500 Israel/Palestine half and half scarves?
If you're wondering what type of person Sophie isQuoteSophie Corcoran @sophielouisecc
15h
The FA forced us to take the knee over non existent racism in the UK
Yet are letting Aston Villa get away with actual racism
Oh dear.
If you're wondering what type of person Sophie isQuoteSophie Corcoran @sophielouisecc
15h
The FA forced us to take the knee over non existent racism in the UK
Yet are letting Aston Villa get away with actual racism
Oh dear.
I think she counts as one of the current Tory party's best and brightest.
Genuine question. Can someone please tell me why a team from the middle east are playing in a European tournament? I know that they have done so on the past, but it's always puzzled me.
Genuine question. Can someone please tell me why a team from the middle east are playing in a European tournament? I know that they have done so on the past, but it's always puzzled me.
Starmer seems to have an urivalled talent to hurl himself into one elephant trap after another. The government will now ally with violent, racist football fans, accompanied no doubt with Tommy Robinson's thugs and escort them through Aston. The PM of law and order is now protecting violent, racist football hooligans. And then he'll feign shock and disgust when people resist these goons.
Genuine question. Can someone please tell me why a team from the middle east are playing in a European tournament? I know that they have done so on the past, but it's always puzzled me.
Because lots of Asian teams refused to play them over a series of years and it was making their qualification path look silly by them winning groups as a result of half a dozen forfeited matches.
The spent the 80s playing New Zealand and Australia in the Oceania region, before it was decided that was even sillier, so they joined UEFA.
Starmer seems to have an urivalled talent to hurl himself into one elephant trap after another. The government will now ally with violent, racist football fans, accompanied no doubt with Tommy Robinson's thugs and escort them through Aston. The PM of law and order is now protecting violent, racist football hooligans. And then he'll feign shock and disgust when people resist these goons.
He's spectacular, isn't he?
UEFA have banned violent fans in the past, home or away. But I suspect certain criteria has to be passed for that similar to how football hooligans arrested near a ground will be recorded as football violence, but the same fans fighting away from the ground aren't normally.
Why would UEFA have banned them? Do you think UEFA have a better understanding of the security issues in each host city and country than the authorities? UEFA don't get involved, nor should they.
It's not just about Maccabi fans being kept safe, which is what most of the hate peddlers on social media fail to realise. But it's easier for them to say Villa are racist and Jews aren't welcome in Birmingham.
Why would UEFA have banned them? Do you think UEFA have a better understanding of the security issues in each host city and country than the authorities? UEFA don't get involved, nor should they.
They always have throughout my lifetime. Do you not remember the ban on English clubs?
It's not just about Maccabi fans being kept safe, which is what most of the hate peddlers on social media fail to realise. But it's easier for them to say Villa are racist and Jews aren't welcome in Birmingham.
Unfortunately it’s (wrongly in my mind) brought into question whether Villa and Birmingham can host international fixtures.
We literally hosted an international 6 weeks ago. Only dribbling simpletons would question it.
It's not just about Maccabi fans being kept safe, which is what most of the hate peddlers on social media fail to realise. But it's easier for them to say Villa are racist and Jews aren't welcome in Birmingham.
Unfortunately it’s (wrongly in my mind) brought into question whether Villa and Birmingham can host international fixtures.
When the head of both organisations that made the decision are both telling their respective organisations to reverse the decision, it makes all involved look very stupid.
UEFA have banned violent fans in the past, home or away. But I suspect certain criteria has to be passed for that similar to how football hooligans arrested near a ground will be recorded as football violence, but the same fans fighting away from the ground aren't normally.
Fans fighting each other away from grounds absolutely get hit with football violence charges.
We literally hosted an international 6 weeks ago. Only dribbling simpletons would question it.
That’s a non sequitur given nobody questioned being able to guarantee the public safety ahead of that.
We literally hosted an international 6 weeks ago. Only dribbling simpletons would question it.
That’s a non sequitur given nobody questioned being able to guarantee the public safety ahead of that.
So we can host internationals just fine. Like all the CL games last season and the England game 6 weeks ago.
We literally hosted an international 6 weeks ago. Only dribbling simpletons would question it.
That’s a non sequitur given nobody questioned being able to guarantee the public safety ahead of that.
So we can host internationals just fine. Like all the CL games last season and the England game 6 weeks ago.
But can’t guarantee public safety at European games! Anyway, hopefully this is academic when decision is reversed later!
It’s more about the police not being able to predict or control the actions/threat from non-footballing sections of the community that would want to attack/harrass the macabi fans. Not a great look for Brum.
It’s more about the police not being able to predict or control the actions/threat from non-footballing sections of the community that would want to attack/harrass the macabi fans. Not a great look for Brum.
Yes those poor maccabi fans are the real victims here.
Despite the debate it triggers, the decision to stop Maccabi supporters from attending the football match in Birmingham isn’t the first time away fans have faced restrictions while travelling to games in Europe this season.
Regional police forces banning away fans at some matches - especially in France and Italy - has become more common in recent years.
Fans of Dutch club Ajax were prevented from attending their Uefa Champions League match against Marseille on 30 September. Ajax said the Marseille authorities had told them the ban was due to "public safety and security".
Napoli’s home game with Eintracht Frankfurt in the same competition, scheduled for 4 November, will also not have away fans, with the Naples police justifying the ban by citing "the high risks to public order and safety".
At 1 game that has far far more around it than the actual match. And it would be the same scenario wherever an Israeli side played in England at present.
I don’t think that Villa cancelling the fixture is actually practical on any number of levels, but I am sharing a draft letter which my friend who is involved in Palestine Solidarity shared with me to show the feeling in local communities.
It is a shame that the club have been put in this position by footballing Authorities that have been prepared to act against Russia but not Israel.
I do fear flashpoints in Aston regardless of an away fan ban on the night. I wouldn’t have been intending to go in any case, but if I had been, I would be having serious doubts.
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The Board of Directors
Aston Villa Football Club
Villa Park
Trinity Road
Birmingham
B6 6HE
**Subject: Urgent Request to Cancel the Europa League Match vs. Maccabi Tel Aviv on 6 November**
Dear Aston Villa Management,
We are writing to you as a resident of Birmingham and lifelong supporters and members of the Aston Villa family to urgently request that the club cancel its upcoming Europa League fixture against Maccabi Tel Aviv, scheduled for November 6th at Villa Park.
We welcome the club’s decision to ban away supporters given their notorious anti-Arab racism but feel we still need to go further as a club and cancel the fixture completely.
Our request to cancel the team’s match at Aston Villa grounds in the city is made with a heavy heart, out of deep concern for the profound human suffering occurring in Gaza. Our local community in Birmingham includes many who have friends and family directly impacted by the ongoing bombing and humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza. The immense loss of life, including over 64,000 Palestinians killed, the destruction of homes and hospitals, and the famine conditions confirmed by humanitarian organizations, creates a context that transcends sport.
We believe that at this time, proceeding with a match representing the state of Israel would be deeply painful for these community members and would run counter to the values of solidarity and compassion we hold dear.
Playing this match under these circumstances’ risks causing significant distress within our own community and could overshadow the event with protests, diverting attention from football and undermining the unity that is the lifeblood of our club and our city.
A panel of UN advisers has called for FIFA and UEFA to suspend Israel.
We urge you to take a proactive and ethical stand by cancelling the fixture. Such a decision would send a powerful message that Aston Villa listens to its community and stands on the side of humanity during a time of immense crisis.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Yours sincerely,
[Your Name]
[Your Address, to confirm you are a constituent]
[Your Supporter Number, if applicable]
If it is overturned then the odds of there being issues will be a fair bit higher than if we'd just let them attend in the first place as both sides, especially those with fuck all interest in the actual match, will stoke things up even more imo.I would put money on that less than 1% of the UK population knew this game was even happening, now it is probably the most spoken about match of the seaon
Starmer seems to have an urivalled talent to hurl himself into one elephant trap after another. The government will now ally with violent, racist football fans, accompanied no doubt with Tommy Robinson's thugs and escort them through Aston. The PM of law and order is now protecting violent, racist football hooligans. And then he'll feign shock and disgust when people resist these goons.
The antisemitic card (for want of a better word than card) has been overused here. This is just about fan safety all round really. Have politicians forgotten what happened outside a Synagogue a few weeks ago?
I don’t think that Villa cancelling the fixture is actually practical on any number of levels, but I am sharing a draft letter which my friend who is involved in Palestine Solidarity shared with me to show the feeling in local communities.
It is a shame that the club have been put in this position by footballing Authorities that have been prepared to act against Russia but not Israel.
I do fear flashpoints in Aston regardless of an away fan ban on the night. I wouldn’t have been intending to go in any case, but if I had been, I would be having serious doubts.
————————————————-
The Board of Directors
Aston Villa Football Club
Villa Park
Trinity Road
Birmingham
B6 6HE
**Subject: Urgent Request to Cancel the Europa League Match vs. Maccabi Tel Aviv on 6 November**
Dear Aston Villa Management,
We are writing to you as a resident of Birmingham and lifelong supporters and members of the Aston Villa family to urgently request that the club cancel its upcoming Europa League fixture against Maccabi Tel Aviv, scheduled for November 6th at Villa Park.
We welcome the club’s decision to ban away supporters given their notorious anti-Arab racism but feel we still need to go further as a club and cancel the fixture completely.
Our request to cancel the team’s match at Aston Villa grounds in the city is made with a heavy heart, out of deep concern for the profound human suffering occurring in Gaza. Our local community in Birmingham includes many who have friends and family directly impacted by the ongoing bombing and humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza. The immense loss of life, including over 64,000 Palestinians killed, the destruction of homes and hospitals, and the famine conditions confirmed by humanitarian organizations, creates a context that transcends sport.
We believe that at this time, proceeding with a match representing the state of Israel would be deeply painful for these community members and would run counter to the values of solidarity and compassion we hold dear.
Playing this match under these circumstances’ risks causing significant distress within our own community and could overshadow the event with protests, diverting attention from football and undermining the unity that is the lifeblood of our club and our city.
A panel of UN advisers has called for FIFA and UEFA to suspend Israel.
We urge you to take a proactive and ethical stand by cancelling the fixture. Such a decision would send a powerful message that Aston Villa listens to its community and stands on the side of humanity during a time of immense crisis.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Yours sincerely,
[Your Name]
[Your Address, to confirm you are a constituent]
[Your Supporter Number, if applicable]
The antisemitic card (for want of a better word than card) has been overused here. This is just about fan safety all round really. Have politicians forgotten what happened outside a Synagogue a few weeks ago?
The word lost any real meaning decades ago when Zionists stretched it to mean opposition to their actions.
This isn't just about fans, it's also about the large Asian communities who live around Villa Park who will be under threat from the racist fuckwits both in colours and not
I predict a riot, as The Arctic Ferdinands once sang...
I'm not sure that forfeiting the game and probably being kicked out of the tournament would be most popular decision the club could make here.
I don’t think that Villa cancelling the fixture is actually practical on any number of levels, but I am sharing a draft letter which my friend who is involved in Palestine Solidarity shared with me to show the feeling in local communities.
It is a shame that the club have been put in this position by footballing Authorities that have been prepared to act against Russia but not Israel.
I do fear flashpoints in Aston regardless of an away fan ban on the night. I wouldn’t have been intending to go in any case, but if I had been, I would be having serious doubts.
————————————————-
The Board of Directors
Aston Villa Football Club
Villa Park
Trinity Road
Birmingham
B6 6HE
**Subject: Urgent Request to Cancel the Europa League Match vs. Maccabi Tel Aviv on 6 November**
Dear Aston Villa Management,
We are writing to you as a resident of Birmingham and lifelong supporters and members of the Aston Villa family to urgently request that the club cancel its upcoming Europa League fixture against Maccabi Tel Aviv, scheduled for November 6th at Villa Park.
We welcome the club’s decision to ban away supporters given their notorious anti-Arab racism but feel we still need to go further as a club and cancel the fixture completely.
Our request to cancel the team’s match at Aston Villa grounds in the city is made with a heavy heart, out of deep concern for the profound human suffering occurring in Gaza. Our local community in Birmingham includes many who have friends and family directly impacted by the ongoing bombing and humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza. The immense loss of life, including over 64,000 Palestinians killed, the destruction of homes and hospitals, and the famine conditions confirmed by humanitarian organizations, creates a context that transcends sport.
We believe that at this time, proceeding with a match representing the state of Israel would be deeply painful for these community members and would run counter to the values of solidarity and compassion we hold dear.
Playing this match under these circumstances’ risks causing significant distress within our own community and could overshadow the event with protests, diverting attention from football and undermining the unity that is the lifeblood of our club and our city.
A panel of UN advisers has called for FIFA and UEFA to suspend Israel.
We urge you to take a proactive and ethical stand by cancelling the fixture. Such a decision would send a powerful message that Aston Villa listens to its community and stands on the side of humanity during a time of immense crisis.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Yours sincerely,
[Your Name]
[Your Address, to confirm you are a constituent]
[Your Supporter Number, if applicable]
What a terrible letter.
Can't see anything other than the ban being overturned unfortunately. And given the stoking of the fires, this is going to make the event even worse than it might have been without any ban and subsequent reversal
A national police unit that advises on security at football matches has backed the decision to ban Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from next month's match in Birmingham.
The UK Football Policing Unit, which is made up of senior officers, gives advice to police forces in England and Wales.
In a statement, the unit says it briefed the Home Office last week about the potential issues authorities might face, including restrictions on visiting fans.
"It is important that we respect and support the structures in place for making these decisions," the statement reads.
"If there are any adverse incidents, then [the Safety Advisory Group and Sports Ground Safety Authority] are the ones that will be held responsible."
I'm not sure that forfeiting the game and probably being kicked out of the tournament would be most popular decision the club could make here.
I would rather we did that than reverse this ban to appease Israel and other extreme rightwingers. There would be far more pride to it. And it would prevent a possible riot in the area
I can't blame WMP for this decision at all. Having a bunch of MTV thugs arrive in Aston, a predominantly Muslim area, would be needlessly high risk. I shan't be going.
Because there happen to be a number of Muslims living in the area does not make it a 'muslim area'. We live in a free country where any citizen, of any religion or none, should be free to go. There should not be any 'no go areas' dominated by ANY group.
I don’t think that Villa cancelling the fixture is actually practical on any number of levels, but I am sharing a draft letter which my friend who is involved in Palestine Solidarity shared with me to show the feeling in local communities.
It is a shame that the club have been put in this position by footballing Authorities that have been prepared to act against Russia but not Israel.
I do fear flashpoints in Aston regardless of an away fan ban on the night. I wouldn’t have been intending to go in any case, but if I had been, I would be having serious doubts.
————————————————-
The Board of Directors
Aston Villa Football Club
Villa Park
Trinity Road
Birmingham
B6 6HE
**Subject: Urgent Request to Cancel the Europa League Match vs. Maccabi Tel Aviv on 6 November**
Dear Aston Villa Management,
We are writing to you as a resident of Birmingham and lifelong supporters and members of the Aston Villa family to urgently request that the club cancel its upcoming Europa League fixture against Maccabi Tel Aviv, scheduled for November 6th at Villa Park.
We welcome the club’s decision to ban away supporters given their notorious anti-Arab racism but feel we still need to go further as a club and cancel the fixture completely.
Our request to cancel the team’s match at Aston Villa grounds in the city is made with a heavy heart, out of deep concern for the profound human suffering occurring in Gaza. Our local community in Birmingham includes many who have friends and family directly impacted by the ongoing bombing and humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza. The immense loss of life, including over 64,000 Palestinians killed, the destruction of homes and hospitals, and the famine conditions confirmed by humanitarian organizations, creates a context that transcends sport.
We believe that at this time, proceeding with a match representing the state of Israel would be deeply painful for these community members and would run counter to the values of solidarity and compassion we hold dear.
Playing this match under these circumstances’ risks causing significant distress within our own community and could overshadow the event with protests, diverting attention from football and undermining the unity that is the lifeblood of our club and our city.
A panel of UN advisers has called for FIFA and UEFA to suspend Israel.
We urge you to take a proactive and ethical stand by cancelling the fixture. Such a decision would send a powerful message that Aston Villa listens to its community and stands on the side of humanity during a time of immense crisis.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Yours sincerely,
[Your Name]
[Your Address, to confirm you are a constituent]
[Your Supporter Number, if applicable]
What is the context here please ?QuoteA national police unit that advises on security at football matches has backed the decision to ban Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from next month's match in Birmingham.
The UK Football Policing Unit, which is made up of senior officers, gives advice to police forces in England and Wales.
In a statement, the unit says it briefed the Home Office last week about the potential issues authorities might face, including restrictions on visiting fans.
"It is important that we respect and support the structures in place for making these decisions," the statement reads.
"If there are any adverse incidents, then [the Safety Advisory Group and Sports Ground Safety Authority] are the ones that will be held responsible."
I can't blame WMP for this decision at all. Having a bunch of MTV thugs arrive in Aston, a predominantly Muslim area, would be needlessly high risk. I shan't be going.
Because there happen to be a number of Muslims living in the area does not make it a 'muslim area'. We live in a free country where any citizen, of any religion or none, should be free to go. There should not be any 'no go areas' dominated by ANY group.
Read it again will you, He didn't say it was a Muslim Area, he said it was a Predominantly Muslim Area which Aston is
What is the context here please ?QuoteA national police unit that advises on security at football matches has backed the decision to ban Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from next month's match in Birmingham.
The UK Football Policing Unit, which is made up of senior officers, gives advice to police forces in England and Wales.
In a statement, the unit says it briefed the Home Office last week about the potential issues authorities might face, including restrictions on visiting fans.
"It is important that we respect and support the structures in place for making these decisions," the statement reads.
"If there are any adverse incidents, then [the Safety Advisory Group and Sports Ground Safety Authority] are the ones that will be held responsible."
Where has this been reported/published and when ?
Thanks
We've just received a statement from Birmingham's Safety Advisory Group, which has decided to ban Maccabi fans from attending next month's match at Villa Park.
The group says it will review its decision if West Midlands Police changes its risk assessment for the match.
Here's the statement in full:
"The Safety Advisory Group has made a decision based on a risk assessment provided by West Midlands Police.
"If there is a change in the assessment of risk in the forthcoming match between Aston Villa Football Club and Maccabi Tel Aviv, then the Safety Advisory Group will commit to review its decision as appropriate."
I'm sympathetic to the views but it isn't the club making the decision, and the club risks being made to appear twats either way if they are seen to be involved in influencing the decision.
Would be better off pressuring local and national politicians.
Katie Hopkins @KTHopkins
Things are speeding up fast in the U.K.
I have long known about @WMPolice …
The U.K. has banned Jews from attending football … what next? Public transport?
I wonder what intelligence will come to light that means a decision made yesterday on the grounds of public safety is no longer a concern.
This little bundle of love and inclusivity has spoken. There's also a video but bollocks to watching itQuoteKatie Hopkins @KTHopkins
Things are speeding up fast in the U.K.
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The U.K. has banned Jews from attending football … what next? Public transport?
Us canceling the game would be dumb as fuck. At best we'd receive a massive fine, at worst be kicked out and receive a ban. Meanwhile Maccabi pick up the win, the win money, and the points that may see them progress to play more matches.
Obviously Villa aren't going to forfeit the game and it would be utterly, utterly ridiculous if they did.
Us canceling the game would be dumb as fuck. At best we'd receive a massive fine, at worst be kicked out and receive a ban. Meanwhile Maccabi pick up the win, the win money, and the points that may see them progress to play more matches.
Very unlikely....an AVFC pro humanity/anti genocide stance would generate huge support across the world. UEFA wouldn't have bottle to kick us out, every other club in the group would be under pressure to do likewise, and we will qualify anyway.
Us canceling the game would be dumb as fuck. At best we'd receive a massive fine, at worst be kicked out and receive a ban. Meanwhile Maccabi pick up the win, the win money, and the points that may see them progress to play more matches.
Very unlikely....an AVFC pro humanity/anti genocide stance would generate huge support across the world. UEFA wouldn't have bottle to kick us out, every other club in the group would be under pressure to do likewise, and we will qualify anyway.
We may not get kicked but everything else would happen. Everything
I think t is somewhat delusional to think anything much on your wish list would happen. Villa are a mid ranking European Club who everyone forgot about for 25 years until this time last year. We have little influence.
Us canceling the game would be dumb as fuck. At best we'd receive a massive fine, at worst be kicked out and receive a ban. Meanwhile Maccabi pick up the win, the win money, and the points that may see them progress to play more matches.
Very unlikely....an AVFC pro humanity/anti genocide stance would generate huge support across the world. UEFA wouldn't have bottle to kick us out, every other club in the group would be under pressure to do likewise, and we will qualify anyway.
We may not get kicked but everything else would happen. Everything
I think t is somewhat delusional to think anything much on your wish list would happen. Villa are a mid ranking European Club who everyone forgot about for 25 years until this time last year. We have little influence.
Yup. It would generate an equal mixture of support and hatred across social media, and the reaction from the people in charge would be something along the lines of "why are you jumped up little pricks rocking this boat which we'd really rather you weren't rocking?"
Obviously it's by the by, given we're not going to be forefeiting anything, because we're not stupid.
Us canceling the game would be dumb as fuck. At best we'd receive a massive fine, at worst be kicked out and receive a ban. Meanwhile Maccabi pick up the win, the win money, and the points that may see them progress to play more matches.
Very unlikely....an AVFC pro humanity/anti genocide stance would generate huge support across the world. UEFA wouldn't have bottle to kick us out, every other club in the group would be under pressure to do likewise, and we will qualify anyway.
We may not get kicked but everything else would happen. Everything
I think t is somewhat delusional to think anything much on your wish list would happen. Villa are a mid ranking European Club who everyone forgot about for 25 years until this time last year. We have little influence.
Yup. It would generate an equal mixture of support and hatred across social media, and the reaction from the people in charge would be something along the lines of "why are you jumped up little pricks rocking this boat which we'd really rather you weren't rocking?"
Obviously it's by the by, given we're not going to be forefeiting anything, because we're not stupid.
Can Starmer really be in charge if he's in Netanyahu's pocket?
We may not get kicked but everything else would happen. Everything
I think t is somewhat delusional to think anything much on your wish list would happen. Villa are a mid ranking European Club who everyone forgot about for 25 years until this time last year. We have little influence.
Us canceling the game would be dumb as fuck. At best we'd receive a massive fine, at worst be kicked out and receive a ban. Meanwhile Maccabi pick up the win, the win money, and the points that may see them progress to play more matches.
Very unlikely....an AVFC pro humanity/anti genocide stance would generate huge support across the world. UEFA wouldn't have bottle to kick us out, every other club in the group would be under pressure to do likewise, and we will qualify anyway.
We may not get kicked but everything else would happen. Everything
I think t is somewhat delusional to think anything much on your wish list would happen. Villa are a mid ranking European Club who everyone forgot about for 25 years until this time last year. We have little influence.
Yup. It would generate an equal mixture of support and hatred across social media, and the reaction from the people in charge would be something along the lines of "why are you jumped up little pricks rocking this boat which we'd really rather you weren't rocking?"
Obviously it's by the by, given we're not going to be forefeiting anything, because we're not stupid.
Can Starmer really be in charge if he's in Netanyahu's pocket?
In this context, those in charge = UEFA.
We shouldn’t have to be hosting this club.Hear! Hear!
But the reality is we are.
So the option with probably the least amount of dangers of people getting hurt is to play it behind closed doors.
Beat them and move on.
We'd literally deserve to be kicked out if we forfeited the game. If we want to play in UEFA competitions we can't pick and choose which of the clubs that qualified for the competition we want to play against.I think we should be able to not play teams from countries that have been committing genocide.
Fuck that. Why should Villa be penalised in any way whatsoever?
I expect an annoucnement that Police from other forces will be asked to help out WMP and then the "risk" will drop enough for SAG.
I think it is being used as a political pawn rather than a genuine safety concern and for Starmer to use it by claiming its wrong on Antisemitism, then he is an even bigger cnut than everyone thinks he is - his party hate the jews almost as much as they do the working class.
I can just imagine the shitstorm if an Arab-owned club in a Muslim area (which is what we'd be portrayed as) pulled out of a match against Israelis.
We'd literally deserve to be kicked out if we forfeited the game. If we want to play in UEFA competitions we can't pick and choose which of the clubs that qualified for the competition we want to play against.I think we should be able to not play teams from countries that have been committing genocide.
We may not get kicked but everything else would happen. Everything
I think t is somewhat delusional to think anything much on your wish list would happen. Villa are a mid ranking European Club who everyone forgot about for 25 years until this time last year. We have little influence.
Agreed, plus the last thing we need is Jezza waving a Villa banner at one of the "Pro-Palestine" marches.
*Obviously Zarah wouldn't, given she's an MP in Coventry.
I can just imagine the shitstorm if an Arab-owned club in a Muslim area (which is what we'd be portrayed as) pulled out of a match against Israelis.
I know you weren't making this point, but it's worth knowing (I only found it out recently) that our Arab owner is from a Christian background. Not that it should or does make a difference, just that there is no* angle here in that context.
*Well, maybe a different one anyway.
We play teams that are owned by utter scum in the league. And in Europe. Play the game with no away fans, slap them 4-0, gloat, and then crack on.I am with you except let their fans in and thrash them.
This little bundle of love and inclusivity has spoken. There's also a video but bollocks to watching itQuoteKatie Hopkins @KTHopkins
Things are speeding up fast in the U.K.
I have long known about @WMPolice …
The U.K. has banned Jews from attending football … what next? Public transport?
I can just imagine the shitstorm if an Arab-owned club in a Muslim area (which is what we'd be portrayed as) pulled out of a match against Israelis.
I know you weren't making this point, but it's worth knowing (I only found it out recently) that our Arab owner is from a Christian background. Not that it should or does make a difference, just that there is no* angle here in that context.
This little bundle of love and inclusivity has spoken. There's also a video but bollocks to watching itQuoteKatie Hopkins @KTHopkins
Things are speeding up fast in the U.K.
I have long known about @WMPolice …
The U.K. has banned Jews from attending football … what next? Public transport?
Oh can't she crawl back under the stone?
KH is a perfect example of how, eventually, if you stop paying too much attention to the far right, they just go away again. But now all the appeasement by Starmer of the right, and taking the argument onto their ground (and oh so predictably having his arse whipped on said ground) has given her oxygen here
I can just imagine the shitstorm if an Arab-owned club in a Muslim area (which is what we'd be portrayed as) pulled out of a match against Israelis.
I know you weren't making this point, but it's worth knowing (I only found it out recently) that our Arab owner is from a Christian background. Not that it should or does make a difference, just that there is no* angle here in that context.
I assumed Dave knew this which is why he added (which is what we'd be portrayed as). The fact that the Sawiris have been so successful in Egypt, despite being Coptic Christians, is pretty impressive.
We play teams that are owned by utter scum in the league. And in Europe. Play the game with no away fans, slap them 4-0, gloat, and then crack on.
I am with you except let their fans in and thrash them.
I'm sympathetic to the views but it isn't the club making the decision, and the club risks being made to appear twats either way if they are seen to be involved in influencing the decision.That's my view also.
Would be better off pressuring local and national politicians.
I didn't think Dave didn't know, I was addressing it to the handful of people even less well-informed than I am.
I'm sympathetic to the views but it isn't the club making the decision, and the club risks being made to appear twats either way if they are seen to be involved in influencing the decision.That's my view also.
Would be better off pressuring local and national politicians.
As a cultural phenomenon that I strongly identify with, it is important to me that Aston Villa always take the moral high ground, and I am proud that Villa players did not give the Nazi salute in the 1930s, whereas England players did. However, whilst I'm supportive of the idea that Israel should receive the same treatment from FIFA/ UEFA as Russia, I'm not sure that it is Aston Villa's responsibility to take a stand in this instance. So I don't believe that it is a transgression to play this game, like for example it was for England's rebel tour of South Africa to go ahead during Apartheid. Maccabi Tel Aviv are a club not a national team, and it would be impossible for their fans to have one single political view.
We play teams that are owned by utter scum in the league. And in Europe. Play the game with no away fans, slap them 4-0, gloat, and then crack on.I am with you except let their fans in and thrash them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx204j7x4pqt?post=asset%3A0750b174-d46d-4650-bd95-b58f3c6f9090#post
Greens...getting it right again...
The Villa fans we've spoken to outside the stadium today all agree - safety and security for local fans and their families is the most important thing, and the decision to ban travelling fans is the right one.
"We have enough trouble when Walsall play," season ticket holder Lee Goodman, 51, tells me. "I’m sure it’s the correct decision, it’s just a shame for the genuine fans."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx204j7x4pqt?post=asset%3A0750b174-d46d-4650-bd95-b58f3c6f9090#post
Greens...getting it right again...
You say getting it right again.. The Green representative who provided the quote in your link is the same person who dismissed October 7th as people having 'a right to fight back'.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx204j7x4pqt?post=asset%3A0750b174-d46d-4650-bd95-b58f3c6f9090#post
Greens...getting it right again...
You say getting it right again.. The Green representative who provided the quote in your link is the same person who dismissed October 7th as people having 'a right to fight back'.
Polanski must have been too busy trying to grow some tits to comment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx204j7x4pqt?post=asset%3A0750b174-d46d-4650-bd95-b58f3c6f9090#post
Your Party not asked their opinion. I guess we aren't making enough noise yet for the gnat's attention span press to ask
Your Party @thisisyourparty
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Well done to Ayoub and all those who successfully campaigned for Maccabi Tel Aviv fans to be barred from attending the match at Aston Villa!
No business as usual with a genocidal state.
Boycott, divest, sanction!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx204j7x4pqt?post=asset%3A0750b174-d46d-4650-bd95-b58f3c6f9090#post
Your Party not asked their opinion. I guess we aren't making enough noise yet for the gnat's attention span press to ask
Can't think why. https://x.com/thisisyourparty/status/1976209684253294650
QuoteYour Party @thisisyourparty
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16h
Well done to Ayoub and all those who successfully campaigned for Maccabi Tel Aviv fans to be barred from attending the match at Aston Villa!
No business as usual with a genocidal state.
Boycott, divest, sanction!
The media feeding frenzy over the MTA game has now ensured that the ground will become a magnet for Tommy nine-names' acolytes and the Stop the Genocide protesters. My guess is it may become an afternoon game played behind closed doors.
What an irony that the timing of the announcement couldn't have been better-timed as we plan to take on Spurs ...
QuoteYour Party @thisisyourparty
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16h
Well done to Ayoub and all those who successfully campaigned for Maccabi Tel Aviv fans to be barred from attending the match at Aston Villa!
No business as usual with a genocidal state.
Boycott, divest, sanction!
Sorry, from that it seems like it is nothing to do with safety and is instead about banning Israeli fans from.attending the game as part of a wider boycott of their country?
Well if we're asking the opinion of "Your Party", we should probably just ban women from attending too.
Probably the one thing that Polanski is famous for, would be my guess.
Well if we're asking the opinion of "Your Party", we should probably just ban women from attending too.
Er, what?...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx204j7x4pqt?post=asset%3A0750b174-d46d-4650-bd95-b58f3c6f9090#post
Greens...getting it right again...
You say getting it right again.. The Green representative who provided the quote in your link is the same person who dismissed October 7th as people having 'a right to fight back'.
Polanski must have been too busy trying to grow some tits to comment.
What the fuck are you talking about?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx204j7x4pqt?post=asset%3A0750b174-d46d-4650-bd95-b58f3c6f9090#post
Greens...getting it right again...
You say getting it right again.. The Green representative who provided the quote in your link is the same person who dismissed October 7th as people having 'a right to fight back'.
Polanski must have been too busy trying to grow some tits to comment.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Moderate your abusive language towards me please.
QuoteYour Party @thisisyourparty
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16h
Well done to Ayoub and all those who successfully campaigned for Maccabi Tel Aviv fans to be barred from attending the match at Aston Villa!
No business as usual with a genocidal state.
Boycott, divest, sanction!
Sorry, from that it seems like it is nothing to do with safety and is instead about banning Israeli fans from.attending the game as part of a wider boycott of their country?
There are many sides to the issue here, and I've tried to cover them the best I can in my letter to the UKFPU. I do firmly believe that Israeli teams should have been banned from European competition for the same reason that Russian teams are. The UN declaration that Israel is committing genocide should have been sufficient
Well if we're asking the opinion of "Your Party", we should probably just ban women from attending too.
Er, what?...
See quotes from Zarah Sultana a few weeks ago.
I’m going, so’s my son, he’s 27 and 6’4” so I’ve got someone to hide behind if it all kicks off. However it won’t. I’ll park in my usual place, walk to the ground under the Expressway past the Holte Pub and the out of tune bagpipe player and take my seat. A few knobhead Tommy Robinson types and crusty STW/PA bellends aren’t going to interfere with that. I then expect nothing less than an absolute pulverising of this lot from their sub Scottish farmers league. 5-0 please a smart walk back to the car and home.
I have got tickets for this and I am taking my boy who is 12 . I am a bit concerned about bringing him . We walk up from just by the ring road (part of our routine ) not sure I fancy taking him if there is potential trouble on the fringes
Club just sat there shrugging. Nowt to do with us. We'll turn up, put 3 or 4 past you and you can see us again on the tele gents. Tarra a bit.
Club just sat there shrugging. Nowt to do with us. We'll turn up, put 3 or 4 past you and you can see us again on the tele gents. Tarra a bit.
It's the only sensible thing to do in this situation.
I have got tickets for this and I am taking my boy who is 12 . I am a bit concerned about bringing him . We walk up from just by the ring road (part of our routine ) not sure I fancy taking him if there is potential trouble on the fringes
I promised my 6 year old that if there is an 'early' game at home in Europe we would go.
Thank fupp it is a few weeks later against an incidental team from Switzerland.
I'm not conflating anything here.The media feeding frenzy over the MTA game has now ensured that the ground will become a magnet for Tommy nine-names' acolytes and the Stop the Genocide protesters. My guess is it may become an afternoon game played behind closed doors.
What an irony that the timing of the announcement couldn't have been better-timed as we plan to take on Spurs ...
I think BCD is the best course of action here, tbh (TM abbrevs - Ed). You have to remember that even with no MTA fans present, our knobend faction will be and might be up for a bit of intra fan aggro...
And...I'm sure entirely unmaliciously and unconsciously, you're conflating Jewish with Israel here. Many Jewish people, some highly orthodox, have made public their opposition to Israel's genocide
I have got tickets for this and I am taking my boy who is 12 . I am a bit concerned about bringing him . We walk up from just by the ring road (part of our routine ) not sure I fancy taking him if there is potential trouble on the fringes
I promised my 6 year old that if there is an 'early' game at home in Europe we would go.
Thank fupp it is a few weeks later against an incidental team from Switzerland.
Is it correct that I cannot pass on my ticket or sell it back to the club?
The ban on Maccabi Tel Aviv fans increasingly looks like it could lead to serious legal action for discrimination.
Pressure group Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) has already begun the process of challenging the ban.
It says that the ban appears to involve “an instruction to commit direct discrimination against Israelis and/or indirect discrimination against both Israelis and Jews".
And that, it says, is race discrimination under the Equality Act 2010 - a serious matter for the courts.
Our anti-discrimination and human rights laws protect people from policies that weren’t meant to single them out, but end up doing so as an unintended consequence. This is what CAA refers to when it mentions “indirect discrimination”.
In practical terms almost all - if not all - Maccabi Tel Aviv fans will be Israeli, Jewish or both.
So, the ban on Maccabi fans going to Aston Villa does not just affect them as fans, it affects them as people who are Israeli or Jewish.
What does that mean in legal terms?
“There can be discrimination of both characteristics,” says Adam Wagner KC, a senior human rights barrister, who agrees there is a serious question about whether the ban is lawful.
I promised my 6 year old that if there is an 'early' game at home in Europe we would go.
Thank fupp it is a few weeks later against an incidental team from Switzerland.
500 years of democracy and peace and they didn't actually invent the cuckoo clock. Knowing our luck they are going to annex Liechtenstein next week.
From the BBC's rolling news page on this subject:QuoteThe ban on Maccabi Tel Aviv fans increasingly looks like it could lead to serious legal action for discrimination.
Pressure group Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) has already begun the process of challenging the ban.
It says that the ban appears to involve “an instruction to commit direct discrimination against Israelis and/or indirect discrimination against both Israelis and Jews".
And that, it says, is race discrimination under the Equality Act 2010 - a serious matter for the courts.
Our anti-discrimination and human rights laws protect people from policies that weren’t meant to single them out, but end up doing so as an unintended consequence. This is what CAA refers to when it mentions “indirect discrimination”.
In practical terms almost all - if not all - Maccabi Tel Aviv fans will be Israeli, Jewish or both.
So, the ban on Maccabi fans going to Aston Villa does not just affect them as fans, it affects them as people who are Israeli or Jewish.
What does that mean in legal terms?
“There can be discrimination of both characteristics,” says Adam Wagner KC, a senior human rights barrister, who agrees there is a serious question about whether the ban is lawful.
Oh, do just f*** off! The racism/antisemitism claims ignore the very real public safety issues around this game.
Birmingham Safety Action Group: The group - which is made up of several professional authorities - says it will review its earlier decision if West Midlands Police changes its risk assessment for the match.
or to put it another way
It’s a bad thing that’s happened
In retrospect, it probably would have been a good idea for the club to include specific reference to hooliganism in the original statement, since that's what it's about.
Mind you, the moron local MPs kind of undermined that line.
In this proxy middle eastern war zone, we can only hope a football match might break out.
Birmingham Safety Action Group: The group - which is made up of several professional authorities - says it will review its earlier decision if West Midlands Police changes its risk assessment for the match.
It’s the Villa Safety Advisory Group and they don’t make decisions they offer advice. They also don’t issue safety certificates.
Although the language in the statement was misleading it was Villa - in consultation with UEFA - who made the decision to not allow away supporters.
Another group unknown this time yesterday.
This is not antisemitism.You hum it, I’ll play it
It’s just common sense.
Yes there is potential for trouble at all football games.
But this one is multi faceted
The trouble could come from many factions and in multiple locations across the city.
I cannot believe the political over reaction to this.
Birmingham Safety Action Group: The group - which is made up of several professional authorities - says it will review its earlier decision if West Midlands Police changes its risk assessment for the match.
It’s the Villa Safety Advisory Group and they don’t make decisions they offer advice. They also don’t issue safety certificates.
Although the language in the statement was misleading it was Villa - in consultation with UEFA - who made the decision to not allow away supporters.
Where are you getting this from?
Isn't that just about as non-binding as police 'advice'?
In retrospect, it probably would have been a good idea for the club to include specific reference to hooliganism in the original statement, since that's what it's about.
Mind you, the moron local MPs kind of undermined that line.
Has Ian Austin come out with anything yet? Not an MP, but I would have thought he’d be all over this.
It’s more about the police not being able to predict or control the actions/threat from non-footballing sections of the community that would want to attack/harrass the macabi fans. Not a great look for Brum.
Yes those poor maccabi fans are the real victims here.
Israel is always the victim. Holocaust-flavoured emotional blackmail trading is one of the country's finest exports
80-90 years ago multi-millions of Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis. Therefore in 2025 the secular state of Israel can do wrong, and anyone who suggests it is doing wrong is a massive anti-semite. It logically follows and people should just accept it
Yes. You just stated it is Villa's SAG when it isn't.
But for a British Labour PM to trot out the anti semitic line today in criticising his own police force, we are really in a new world order.
Yes. You just stated it is Villa's SAG when it isn't.
As in relating specifically to Villa.
Yes. You just stated it is Villa's SAG when it isn't.
As in relating specifically to Villa.
To be clear, you’re saying that AVFC made the decision to ban MTA fans from VP after consultation with UEFA?
Yes. You just stated it is Villa's SAG when it isn't.
As in relating specifically to Villa.
To be clear, you’re saying that AVFC made the decision to ban MTA fans from VP after consultation with UEFA?
The SAG (specifically repeated to Villa Park) provided its advice to Villa and UEFA. Villa then announced the decision.
Right so Villa could have disregarded it but didn’t?
We'd literally deserve to be kicked out if we forfeited the game. If we want to play in UEFA competitions we can't pick and choose which of the clubs that qualified for the competition we want to play against.I think we should be able to not play teams from countries that have been committing genocide.
Not quite.
Designated stadia do need a safety certificate but they aren’t issued on a match by match basis:
https://sgsa.org.uk/regulatory-support/safety-certification/
The SAG report was sent to Villa and UEFA!
Not quite.
Designated stadia do need a safety certificate but they aren’t issued on a match by match basis:
https://sgsa.org.uk/regulatory-support/safety-certification/
The SAG report was sent to Villa and UEFA!
Presumably they are considering there was a specific one issued for this game in line with what PWS stated in his post.
It's been hijacked by people claiming antisemitism. And Islamists. And Pro-Palestine protestors. And right wing bigots. And X Wankers.
It seems the hysterical reaction to this from all sides and a few I was unaware even existed underlines why it was a good idea.
Tim Farron of the Lib Dem’s had a normal one about it:
“The former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron described the ban as racist: “‘We can’t have Jews watching football, people might get violent towards them’ – are we seriously saying that we are incapable of protecting football fans from racism? I’m flabbergasted. This is shameful.
It seems the hysterical reaction to this from all sides and a few I was unaware even existed underlines why it was a good idea.
Tim Farron of the Lib Dem’s had a normal one about it:
“The former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron described the ban as racist: “‘We can’t have Jews watching football, people might get violent towards them’ – are we seriously saying that we are incapable of protecting football fans from racism? I’m flabbergasted. This is shameful.
“‘We’re not banning them because they’re Jewish, it’s because they’re hooligans … ’ is the risible defence for the ban from people who know nothing about football or hooliganism, but are desperate not to acknowledge or admit their own racism. This is a stain on Britain.”
It's depressing. Can somebody from Strictly have an affair or can Trump insult someone, please?I think your prayers have just been answered.
It's depressing. Can somebody from Strictly have an affair or can Trump insult someone, please?I think your prayers have just been answered.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgw31y75ywt
Nonce Andrew.It's depressing. Can somebody from Strictly have an affair or can Trump insult someone, please?I think your prayers have just been answered.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgw31y75ywt
He really is the Nonce of Hearts.
The Home Office were informed last week of the potential that Maccabi fans would not be allowed on safety grounds. So why wait after it was announced to offer whatever support was needed to ensure Maccabi fans safety?
The Home Office were informed last week of the potential that Maccabi fans would not be allowed on safety grounds. So why wait after it was announced to offer whatever support was needed to ensure Maccabi fans safety?
The Maccabi fans safety?
Jesus. It’s like worrying about the cat when he’s looking at the fish pond.
What I find amazing is how seemingly hardly any of the public figures expounding on this seem to understand that away fans being banned in a European fixture is far from an unusual thing.
They clearly know absolutely nothing about football.
It is also interesting to see how, after decades of not giving a flying fuck about the well being of football supporters, all of a sudden it's their primary focus.
If we do spend tens of millions to ensure that a bunch of hooligans can have safe passage to a football, does that mean we aren't skint anymore and can afford to pay the bin workers?Or actually fund the police appropriately.
Has anyone mentioned it’s the day after bonfire night?
If the match is to go ahead, then surely the WMP will only agree on the proviso, that they will get help from police officers from other areas.They always do for big matches.
Has anyone mentioned it’s the day after bonfire night?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx204j7x4pqt?post=asset%3A0750b174-d46d-4650-bd95-b58f3c6f9090#post
Your Party not asked their opinion. I guess we aren't making enough noise yet for the gnat's attention span press to ask
Can't think why. https://x.com/thisisyourparty/status/1976209684253294650
Without having seen it, I'm guessing it's not one that follows the narrative. Too much emphasis on the plight of brown-skinned people
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx204j7x4pqt?post=asset%3A0750b174-d46d-4650-bd95-b58f3c6f9090#post
Your Party not asked their opinion. I guess we aren't making enough noise yet for the gnat's attention span press to ask
Can't think why. https://x.com/thisisyourparty/status/1976209684253294650
Without having seen it, I'm guessing it's not one that follows the narrative. Too much emphasis on the plight of brown-skinned people
It features the inverted red triangle of Hamas. Too much emphasis on the slaughter of Jews.
This is where we are. Keir Starmer, Nigel Farage, Kemi Badenoch and Ed Davey all on the same side as far-right thug Tommy Robinson in defending an Israeli Football Team that chants songs about raping Arab women and killing Palestinian children. Our politics is broke.https://x.com/Martin_Abrams/status/1979266527917674783 (https://x.com/Martin_Abrams/status/1979266527917674783)
What I find amazing is how seemingly hardly any of the public figures expounding on this seem to understand that away fans being banned in a European fixture is far from an unusual thing.
They clearly know absolutely nothing about football.
It is also interesting to see how, after decades of not giving a flying fuck about the well being of football supporters, all of a sudden it's their primary focus.
QuoteThis is where we are. Keir Starmer, Nigel Farage, Kemi Badenoch and Ed Davey all on the same side as far-right thug Tommy Robinson in defending an Israeli Football Team that chants songs about raping Arab women and killing Palestinian children. Our politics is broke.https://x.com/Martin_Abrams/status/1979266527917674783 (https://x.com/Martin_Abrams/status/1979266527917674783)
This is the problem - the whole thing has taken on a life of its own. The very last thing we need is Tommy Two Names supporters turning up. Assuming his trial wont be done by then? Would be good to see him back in Jail.QuoteThis is where we are. Keir Starmer, Nigel Farage, Kemi Badenoch and Ed Davey all on the same side as far-right thug Tommy Robinson in defending an Israeli Football Team that chants songs about raping Arab women and killing Palestinian children. Our politics is broke.https://x.com/Martin_Abrams/status/1979266527917674783 (https://x.com/Martin_Abrams/status/1979266527917674783)
Ok so the game should probably be played behind closed doors now. Well done everyone.
QuoteThis is where we are. Keir Starmer, Nigel Farage, Kemi Badenoch and Ed Davey all on the same side as far-right thug Tommy Robinson in defending an Israeli Football Team that chants songs about raping Arab women and killing Palestinian children. Our politics is broke.https://x.com/Martin_Abrams/status/1979266527917674783 (https://x.com/Martin_Abrams/status/1979266527917674783)
As a paid up member of the party, this is the angriest I've been with Starmer. Perhaps I need to reflect on what is important to me but it just strikes me as an unnecessary, unhelpful and potentially dangerous intervention.
I think this has just pretty much guaranteed the game will be moved. Even playing behind closed doors won’t stop potential trouble outside or in the cityQuoteThis is where we are. Keir Starmer, Nigel Farage, Kemi Badenoch and Ed Davey all on the same side as far-right thug Tommy Robinson in defending an Israeli Football Team that chants songs about raping Arab women and killing Palestinian children. Our politics is broke.https://x.com/Martin_Abrams/status/1979266527917674783 (https://x.com/Martin_Abrams/status/1979266527917674783)
Things might snowball further out of control now Mr Robinson is posting about it.It makes me sick to my stomach to see this vermin getting involved in anything to do with MY club.
I hate the guy even more now he's requesting people to turn up at my second home.
Its no longer just a football match.
Yes!!Things might snowball further out of control now Mr Robinson is posting about it.It makes me sick to my stomach to see this vermin getting involved in anything to do with MY club.
I hate the guy even more now he's requesting people to turn up at my second home.
Its no longer just a football match.
And all the fuckingcunts who support him can fuck off too, including some of our lot who follow him.
Gracias señor ¿quiere un mojito?We play teams that are owned by utter scum in the league. And in Europe. Play the game with no away fans, slap them 4-0, gloat, and then crack on.
I am with you except let their fans in and thrash them.
Si, Señor Aftab.
As a paid up member of the party, this is the angriest I've been with Starmer. Perhaps I need to reflect on what is important to me but it just strikes me as an unnecessary, unhelpful and potentially dangerous intervention.I should of left ages ago but haven’t due to pure apathy. A million more important issues, but this has done it for me, Starmer is such a fuckwit.
The guy could say that the moon is made of cheese and he'd be believed by his supporters.Things might snowball further out of control now Mr Robinson is posting about it.It makes me sick to my stomach to see this vermin getting involved in anything to do with MY club.
I hate the guy even more now he's requesting people to turn up at my second home.
Its no longer just a football match.
And all the fuckingcunts who support him can fuck off too, including some of our lot who follow him.
As a paid up member of the party, this is the angriest I've been with Starmer. Perhaps I need to reflect on what is important to me but it just strikes me as an unnecessary, unhelpful and potentially dangerous intervention.If Starmer and that cabinet hadn’t lost my vote before they certainly have now in trying to overturn the ban, I’ll go Green party probably.
Si, Señor Aftab.
Gracias señor ¿quiere un mojito?
Maccabi Tel Aviv fans not allowed to attend Aston Villa UEFA Europa match due to safety concerns. This is what happened last time the genocidal racist violent hooligans visited Europe.
As a paid up member of the party, this is the angriest I've been with Starmer. Perhaps I need to reflect on what is important to me but it just strikes me as an unnecessary, unhelpful and potentially dangerous intervention.
It’s just occurred to me that poetically, we play Spurs on Sunday!That thought hit me on Thursday but I didn't get a chance to post.
I said earlier, I’m not sure who hates who anymore.
Since when did far right racists side with ‘the Jews’ ( that’s not meant to be insulting, it’s to make the point).
Proper, good old fashioned racists like the NF or BNP hated Jews as much as they did p@**’s and N@@@@@‘s.
Now they are on the same side ??
It’s all very confusing
I said earlier, I’m not sure who hates who anymore.
Since when did far right racists side with ‘the Jews’ ( that’s not meant to be insulting, it’s to make the point).
Proper, good old fashioned racists like the NF or BNP hated Jews as much as they did p@**’s and N@@@@@‘s.
Now they are on the same side ??
It’s all very confusing
That’s the thing - I wouldn’t bet against the same people who hiss at Spurs fans are now angry that MTA fans are banned! The same people who are in the ‘illuminati’ rabbit hole will also be mad at us today. Bullshit makes strange bedfellows.
https://x.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1978900590760538400 (https://x.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1978900590760538400)That is a very interesting watch.QuoteMaccabi Tel Aviv fans not allowed to attend Aston Villa UEFA Europa match due to safety concerns. This is what happened last time the genocidal racist violent hooligans visited Europe.
Could easily have just got the sack at work for being accused of supporting ‘a racist football club’.Bloody hell mate.
Still trying to calm down, but all this has got a way to go yet.
I think I was right when the draw was made and I thought it would be an absolute disaster.
Letter aren't enough.
Call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit them hard and hit them fast with a major; and I mean major; leaflet campaign
Could easily have just got the sack at work for being accused of supporting ‘a racist football club’.Bloody hell mate.
Still trying to calm down, but all this has got a way to go yet.
I think I was right when the draw was made and I thought it would be an absolute disaster.
What an absolute joke and hope you're ok.
Letter aren't enough.
Call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit them hard and hit them fast with a major; and I mean major; leaflet campaign
You are Arnold J Rimmer and I claim my five pounds...
Could easily have just got the sack at work for being accused of supporting ‘a racist football club’.
Still trying to calm down, but all this has got a way to go yet.
I think I was right when the draw was made and I thought it would be an absolute disaster.
Could easily have just got the sack at work for being accused of supporting ‘a racist football club’.Bloody hell mate.
Still trying to calm down, but all this has got a way to go yet.
I think I was right when the draw was made and I thought it would be an absolute disaster.
What an absolute joke and hope you're ok.
Could easily have just got the sack at work for being accused of supporting ‘a racist football club’.
Still trying to calm down, but all this has got a way to go yet.
I think I was right when the draw was made and I thought it would be an absolute disaster.
The bottom line is that our club did not make this decision. So you could say "nothing to with us mate, take your complaints to WMP and SAG:
https://www.westmidlands.police.uk/news/west-midlands/news/news/2025/october/wmp-supports-safety-advisory-group-decision-regarding-aston-villa-vs-maccabi-tel-aviv-football-match/ (https://www.westmidlands.police.uk/news/west-midlands/news/news/2025/october/wmp-supports-safety-advisory-group-decision-regarding-aston-villa-vs-maccabi-tel-aviv-football-match/)
Once you get drawn into the wider issues, there is a good chance that you will incur opprobrium in the current political climate. Many people, including doctors and academics, have been suspended or sacked for pro-Palestinian tweets.
Could easily have just got the sack at work for being accused of supporting ‘a racist football club’.Bloody hell mate.
Still trying to calm down, but all this has got a way to go yet.
I think I was right when the draw was made and I thought it would be an absolute disaster.
What an absolute joke and hope you're ok.
Agreed, hope you're okay, Perce.
https://x.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1978900590760538400 (https://x.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1978900590760538400)QuoteMaccabi Tel Aviv fans not allowed to attend Aston Villa UEFA Europa match due to safety concerns. This is what happened last time the genocidal racist violent hooligans visited Europe.
The government knows that the Israeli ultras will try to start a fight, especially as the ultras know now that they have the British state on their side. So they know that there will be Palestine supporters and Muslim residents who will fight back and can then be demonised. They will have to show this fighting back as otherwise it would be the Israeli ultras rampaging through Aston. And we can't have that. This comes after Robert Jenrick has attacked multicultural Birmingham and when Tommy Robinson is calling for the suppression of Islam in Britain and Farage wants hundreds of thousands of deportations. Starmer is not fanning the flames by what has done he is pouring petrol on the fire.
The locals in Aston are left to face the consequences and our club called racist by the racists.
Could easily have just got the sack at work for being accused of supporting ‘a racist football club’.
Still trying to calm down, but all this has got a way to go yet.
I think I was right when the draw was made and I thought it would be an absolute disaster.
I said earlier, I’m not sure who hates who anymore.
Since when did far right racists side with ‘the Jews’ ( that’s not meant to be insulting, it’s to make the point).
Proper, good old fashioned racists like the NF or BNP hated Jews as much as they did p@**’s and N@@@@@‘s.
Now they are on the same side ??
It’s all very confusing
That’s the thing - I wouldn’t bet against the same people who hiss at Spurs fans are now angry that MTA fans are banned! The same people who are in the ‘illuminati’ rabbit hole will also be mad at us today. Bullshit makes strange bedfellows.
Could easily have just got the sack at work for being accused of supporting ‘a racist football club’.
Still trying to calm down, but all this has got a way to go yet.
I think I was right when the draw was made and I thought it would be an absolute disaster.
That's shit Percy my friend. Just don't raise to the bait, but nut the f*ckers when nobody is watching :).
Only joking, how many thick people are there out there (some Villa fans as well) who don't get it that Villa have no say in this decision. Just rise above it mate.
As I type this at 6.20pm on a Saturday over here it has just come on the news in NZ, these politicians just don't get it.
Could easily have just got the sack at work for being accused of supporting ‘a racist football club’.
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If he was a Wolves fan, didn't they spend a lot of time in the eighties getting relegated then getting promoted again, so we wouldn't have played them much anyway?
The only time we played them in competitive fixtures after they were relegated in 1983/84 were the League Cup in 1989/90 and 1995/96. He talks about attending "more than a few" matches. He could be talking about friendlies, I haven't checked. Or maybe he deserted Wolves like so many others and his Dad took him to support whoever Villa were playing. Or maybe, just maybe, he's talking horseshit to try and prove some point or other, fuck knows what.I think the point he’s making is that a bit of football violence is fine, it’s all just part of the tough and tumble of the game and is spiffingly good fun.
It’s just occurred to me that poetically, we play Spurs on Sunday!Ahem ...
The media feeding frenzy over the MTA game has now ensured that the ground will become a magnet for Tommy nine-names' acolytes and the Stop the Genocide protesters. My guess is it may become an afternoon game played behind closed doors.
What an irony that the timing of the announcement couldn't have been better-timed as we plan to take on Spurs ...
If he was a Wolves fan, didn't they spend a lot of time in the eighties getting relegated then getting promoted again, so we wouldn't have played them much anyway?
As I said. He didn't really have much reason to be popping into the away end at Villa Park in the 80s.
Does no one think there would be "thugs" from both sides intent on trouble - surely it would not be just one side?Why would such a question matter?
Does no one think there would be "thugs" from both sides intent on trouble - surely it would not be just one side?MTV fans have very recent history of instigating acts of violence, racism and general hooliganism.
If he was a Wolves fan, didn't they spend a lot of time in the eighties getting relegated then getting promoted again, so we wouldn't have played them much anyway?
As I said. He didn't really have much reason to be popping into the away end at Villa Park in the 80s.
Reminds me a bit of Tony Blair saying he remembers watching Jackie Milburn playing for Newcastle at St James Park, despite having only been 4 when Milburn retired. Politicians lying for street kudos
If he was a Wolves fan, didn't they spend a lot of time in the eighties getting relegated then getting promoted again, so we wouldn't have played them much anyway?
As I said. He didn't really have much reason to be popping into the away end at Villa Park in the 80s.
I can see the game being behind closed doors at this rate.And that is the worst of the options and a complete failure
I can see the game being behind closed doors at this rate.And that is the worst of the options and a complete failure
A sorry reflection on society to be in this position. Operationally I can see the problems. Behind close doors is pathetic and the worst option. It’s complete capitulation.I can see the game being behind closed doors at this rate.And that is the worst of the options and a complete failure
I don't agree that's the worst option. What will happen is the worst option. The ban will be reversed and the game will be a battle zone. The people to suffer most will be the residents of B6.
Robinson's comments about going to Birmingham to support Maccabi will make us all, as supporters of an anti-Semitic football club, targets on the night. That's how these scumbags will look at it.
And I wouldn't be surprised if we see evidence of it starting tomorrow.
If he was a Wolves fan, didn't they spend a lot of time in the eighties getting relegated then getting promoted again, so we wouldn't have played them much anyway?
As I said. He didn't really have much reason to be popping into the away end at Villa Park in the 80s.
Even if it’s true, it might be, as a kid I watched West Brom, Wolves and Villa with my dad, My uncle, an Irish Liverpool fan, went to many local grounds depending who was home. My memories as a kid were also generally light hearted fun at the matches, probably as I was always in the family enclosures, sitting safely with other dads and kids. We took my cousin once at 4 years old and he slept through a boring 0-0 draw with QPR. What I’m saying is, although there was probably awful violence going on, my uncle or dad could still manage to take me to games and avoid it. All I remember is sitting in the stand, watching the match.
I’d be foolish, to look back now and to believe that my memories were very different to the fighting that happened around the ground, pubs, fields or housing estates and were quickly nipped in the bud by the police and no harm was done.
Robinson's comments about going to Birmingham to support Maccabi will make us all, as supporters of an anti-Semitic football club, targets on the night. That's how these scumbags will look at it.
Robinson's comments about going to Birmingham to support Maccabi will make us all, as supporters of an anti-Semitic football club, targets on the night. That's how these scumbags will look at it.
And I wouldn't be surprised if we see evidence of it starting tomorrow.
Robinson's comments about going to Birmingham to support Maccabi will make us all, as supporters of an anti-Semitic football club, targets on the night. That's how these scumbags will look at it.
I do agree that the worst of both sides turning up on the night is an extemely possible and extremely concerning thing, but random Villa fans aren't going to be attacked. It still should be relatively easy to avoid trouble unless you're extremely unlucky.
From WMP perspective it is a huge challenge in trying to police both the game and the inevitable demonstrations from both sides of the divide. If politicians get their way and force the game to be played then they have a responsibility to do everything it takes to ensure the safety of everyone involved - fans, businesses, local residents and police - and any failures should be attributed accordingly.Just trawling through this thread now, but this absolutely is my thought. Safety comes first, and if WMP don’t feel they can safely handle the situation they are right in saying measures should be in place.
From my point of view I’m expecting a really dispiriting evening when I should be looking forward to an exciting game of football.
Be nice to see if it would happen in London in the futureFrom WMP perspective it is a huge challenge in trying to police both the game and the inevitable demonstrations from both sides of the divide. If politicians get their way and force the game to be played then they have a responsibility to do everything it takes to ensure the safety of everyone involved - fans, businesses, local residents and police - and any failures should be attributed accordingly.Just trawling through this thread now, but this absolutely is my thought. Safety comes first, and if WMP don’t feel they can safely handle the situation they are right in saying measures should be in place.
From my point of view I’m expecting a really dispiriting evening when I should be looking forward to an exciting game of football.
If anyone in Westminster or elsewhere thinks it should go ahead - fine no problem. You supply the police resources, supply the extra stewards, supply the extra medical staff, supply the extra infrastructure stuff (coaches for the MTA fans, fencing to segregate them, etc). You’re the ones asking for it, so you be the ones to make it safe for the local residents, local businesses, emergency services, people in the city centre etc etc.
So now we've got to a point where far right twats and pro Palestine twats will be turning up on Nov 6th to kick off. Fucking ridiculous.
But now the profile has been raised exponentially and the attendant problems also.So now we've got to a point where far right twats and pro Palestine twats will be turning up on Nov 6th to kick off. Fucking ridiculous.
That was always going to happen anyway.
Ahkmed Yakoob is another who has jumped all over it.
I said earlier, I’m not sure who hates who anymore.Indeed. I don’t ask for much - just that racists and neo-nazi types have a well thought out, logical, and above all consistent viewpoint on things.
Since when did far right racists side with ‘the Jews’ ( that’s not meant to be insulting, it’s to make the point).
Proper, good old fashioned racists like the NF or BNP hated Jews as much as they did p@**’s and N@@@@@‘s.
Now they are on the same side ??
It’s all very confusing
QuoteDespite the debate it triggers, the decision to stop Maccabi supporters from attending the football match in Birmingham isn’t the first time away fans have faced restrictions while travelling to games in Europe this season.
Regional police forces banning away fans at some matches - especially in France and Italy - has become more common in recent years.
Fans of Dutch club Ajax were prevented from attending their Uefa Champions League match against Marseille on 30 September. Ajax said the Marseille authorities had told them the ban was due to "public safety and security".
Napoli’s home game with Eintracht Frankfurt in the same competition, scheduled for 4 November, will also not have away fans, with the Naples police justifying the ban by citing "the high risks to public order and safety".
If they come, perhaps there could be a ticketing mishap and they'll find their seats occupied.Let’s keep politics out of this.
If they come, perhaps there could be a ticketing mishap and they'll find their seats occupied.Let’s keep politics out of this.
If they come, perhaps there could be a ticketing mishap and they'll find their seats occupied.
Let’s keep politics out of this.
I assume I’m missing the joke here.
Iqbal Mohamed fanning the flames. https://x.com/iqbalmohamedMP/status/1979162407353131479
If they come, perhaps there could be a ticketing mishap and they'll find their seats occupied.
Let’s keep politics out of this.
I assume I’m missing the joke here.
I'm guessing it's to do with the word 'occupied'.
If their fans are allowed to come, we should have a 2 minute silence before the game for *all* victims of genocide. That’ll at least give them ann emotional battle to consider!
Or maybe even if they don’t come - they’ll almost certainly be some bellends about regardless.
Just seen this on Bluesky about the Jewish Villa Fans group: https://bsky.app/profile/jwsal.bsky.social/post/3m3hsjiavcc2w
Just seen this on Bluesky about the Jewish Villa Fans group: https://bsky.app/profile/jwsal.bsky.social/post/3m3hsjiavcc2w
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Sky News is platforming a guy who says he's from a Jewish Aston Villa supporters group, but it turns out that the guy a) isn't Jewish, b) the group doesn't exist, and c) he works for the right wing Henry Jackson Society, whose website says he 'specialises in disinformation'. Well, quite.
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Sky News is platforming a guy who says he's from a Jewish Aston Villa supporters group, but it turns out that the guy a) isn't Jewish, b) the group doesn't exist, and c) he works for the right wing Henry Jackson Society, whose website says he 'specialises in disinformation'. Well, quite.
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He writes 'on disinformation' according to that - not quite the same as specialising in disinformation
I don't think he's ever claimed to be Jewish, just very very pro Jewish. He may have made up the fan group though.
There was a different guy on Talksport (Elliott something) who said he was from the Jewish Villa Supporters Group. He was pretty sensible, suggesting that the decision to ban MTA fans was probably the right one.
That interview was just before the media/social media shitstorm started though.
Elliot P-something? He used to post on here if so. If it’s the one I am thinking of I mean.
Somewhat surprised to also see Barney Ronay donning the pitchfork today.Yeah, saw that. I thought the article was shite - no consideration of the 'pile on' by different factions and the impact on locals, their property and socio-political aftermath.
Well, I was not aware there’s a Jewish Villa supporters group, I just didn’t think we had that many Jewish people in the city which would warrant one. All to the good.
Elliot P-something? He used to post on here if so. If it’s the one I am thinking of I mean.
Just googled to see if I can find it, the guy's name is Eliot Pollak. Here's what I think is a transcript of what he said in the Talksport interview, though it might be taken from an interview elsewhere:
https://www.newsx.com/sports/maccabi-ban-no-surprise-but-very-depressing-says-chair-of-villas-jewish-fan-group-2-94086/
If they come, perhaps there could be a ticketing mishap and they'll find their seats occupied.This made me laugh :)
Well, I was not aware there’s a Jewish Villa supporters group, I just didn’t think we had that many Jewish people in the city which would warrant one. All to the good.
It's not necessary for a Supporter's Group to be in the City - if you live in the City, I'm not sure you would need to be in one. They're usually for more remote fans who don't have a lot of Villa fans close by to shoot the shit with.
I disagree. I believe we ought to continue to travel until we reach its conclusion.
I can now see this game now going ahead behind closed doors. A compromise which will lead to Villa making a substantial loss of earnings claim to someone - no idea who though. UEFA? West Midlands Police? The UK Government?
I disagree. I believe we ought to continue to travel until we reach its conclusion.Very good
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Sky News is platforming a guy who says he's from a Jewish Aston Villa supporters group, but it turns out that the guy a) isn't Jewish, b) the group doesn't exist, and c) he works for the right wing Henry Jackson Society, whose website says he 'specialises in disinformation'. Well, quite.
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I've just made the mistake of looking on Xwitter. Jonny Gould now says Villa are behaving illegally because of discrimination.
I disagree. I believe we ought to continue to travel until we reach its conclusion.
I've just made the mistake of looking on Xwitter. Jonny Gould now says Villa are behaving illegally because of discrimination.
I saw his posts too. Is he a genuine person or a troll?
I've just made the mistake of looking on Xwitter. Jonny Gould now says Villa are behaving illegally because of discrimination.
I saw his posts too. Is he a genuine person or a troll?
The poor man's George Gavin is how he's best described. He's the sort who could see anti-Semitism in a packet of crisps.
I've just made the mistake of looking on Xwitter. Jonny Gould now says Villa are behaving illegally because of discrimination.
I saw his posts too. Is he a genuine person or a troll?
The poor man's George Gavin is how he's best described. He's the sort who could see anti-Semitism in a packet of crisps.
Will there be half and half scarfs for this one ?
I've just made the mistake of looking on Xwitter. Jonny Gould now says Villa are behaving illegally because of discrimination.
But they can all fuck off; EDL types "patriots", sectarian MPs and the lot. Get fucked, all of you.
Will there be half and half scarfs for this one ?
The Bish is yer man, if you want one.
Spoke to a bloke in Bruges last year with the wanker scarfs and he said they make a good £4k a match gross from them. 3 of them had come over to flog them.
We were told they are 'moving at pace' to find a way through this. But that was 36 hours ago.
As soon as the decision was made to ban their fans was made, all the main party leaders (apart from The Greens) immediately said it was wrong.
Presumably they are now discussing exactly the issues involved that were discussed here in the days immediately after the draw and are finding it is a little more complicated and nuanced. All that the knee jerk reactions from our political leaders and the consequent media coverage has done is fan the flames making a bad situation worse.
We were told they are 'moving at pace' to find a way through this. But that was 36 hours ago.
As soon as the decision was made to ban their fans was made, all the main party leaders (apart from The Greens) immediately said it was wrong.
Presumably they are now discussing exactly the issues involved that were discussed here in the days immediately after the draw and are finding it is a little more complicated and nuanced. All that the knee jerk reactions from our political leaders and the consequent media coverage has done is fan the flames making a bad situation worse.
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My hopes are the game goes ahead at Villa Park and we hammer them. I feel their hooligan element is overblown in comparison to other moodier teams we've played thus far (bans/fines/arrests etc) and I think the numbers they would have been allowed to have brought would have been trifling from WMP under differing circumstances.All very sensible.
The attraction for protesters is likely and that complicates. This Tommy Robinson element is annoying, but I assume he's likely subject to a banning order still from his Mig days and likely wouldn't be allowed near Villa Park for those reasons? Perhaps I'm wrong. But they can all fuck off; EDL types "patriots", sectarian MPs and the lot. Get fucked, all of you. You're not wanted in B6 and get our name out of your corrosive words.
Aspirational but I just hope its business as usual for us match going fans who want to go free of outside noise to watch us on our march to Istanbul in May.
We were told they are 'moving at pace' to find a way through this. But that was 36 hours ago.
As soon as the decision was made to ban their fans was made, all the main party leaders (apart from The Greens) immediately said it was wrong.
Presumably they are now discussing exactly the issues involved that were discussed here in the days immediately after the draw and are finding it is a little more complicated and nuanced. All that the knee jerk reactions from our political leaders and the consequent media coverage has done is fan the flames making a bad situation worse.
Spoke to a bloke in Bruges last year with the wanker scarfs and he said they make a good £4k a match gross from them. 3 of them had come over to flog them.
My hopes are the game goes ahead at Villa Park and we hammer them. I feel their hooligan element is overblown in comparison to other moodier teams we've played thus far (bans/fines/arrests etc) and I think the numbers they would have been allowed to have brought would have been trifling from WMP under differing circumstances.
The attraction for protesters is likely and that complicates. This Tommy Robinson element is annoying, but I assume he's likely subject to a banning order still from his Mig days and likely wouldn't be allowed near Villa Park for those reasons? Perhaps I'm wrong. But they can all fuck off; EDL types "patriots", sectarian MPs and the lot. Get fucked, all of you. You're not wanted in B6 and get our name out of your corrosive words.
Aspirational but I just hope its business as usual for us match going fans who want to go free of outside noise to watch us on our march to Istanbul in May.
Except me and my mates!Spoke to a bloke in Bruges last year with the wanker scarfs and he said they make a good £4k a match gross from them. 3 of them had come over to flog them.
Aside from anything else all the Villa supporters in the home end were wearing them!
But they can all fuck off; EDL types "patriots", sectarian MPs and the lot. Get fucked, all of you. You're not wanted in B6 and get our name out of your corrosive words.
Maccabi Tel Aviv F.C. are no more violent than any other fans, there were incidents in Amsterdam after the actual real deal, no fucking around, far right organised a 'Jew hunt' which has been widely reported in the press
West Midlands Police and Aston Villa have scapegoated Jews
Millwall are due at St Andrews 2 days before the Villa- Maccabi game. Obviously West Midlands police will announce a ban on away fans any time now.
Maybe Villa fans should indicate that they won't turn up unless the away fans are let in.
Wonder if they will ban spurs fans from travelling to villa park
We all know the threat does not come from Villa or Maccabi fans….. it’s from the terrorist loving local community!
Can we all be Spartacuss? (Sorry I went there). Very much agree with your post though and your right it's an added layer of shite the constant assertion that all Jews support the current Israeli Government.
Really feels like the Prime Minister & in some ways even more shamefully given she's a Birmingham MP, the Home Secretary are painting targets on our backs (But much more so the people living around Villa Park. Who national media seem utterly uninterested in, in their coverage). Then too the surprise of no one who is actually awake, Tommy Robinson (Just how do you get to step out of a court case, go on a foreign jolly and advertise and encourage a race riot - With so few mainstream figures, seeming to notice, let alone say anything against it? But they have all the time to attack the Police, SAG & the Villa I can't help noticing) pokes his drug coated nostrils in and ramps it up some more.
Like so much of the rest of life, we just don't count and politicians believe they can just use us for their own agenda's. We'll see what happens in the next few days, but whilst I understand the feelings about no protests should be happening (God knows I'd much rather there was just a football match happening and none of this!) I don't feel I have the first beginnings of a right to tell people living around Villa Park what they can or can't do if a racist group of ultra's teams up with Tommy scumbag and march into their streets.
MTA derby tonight cancelled due to rioting.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1979984740930200013
Well, I'm in my seventies but if Tommy two names and his mob turn up I'm ready for a replay of Cable Street.Keep that twat well away from Villa Park
Don't worry, there are no replays in Europe any more.Well, I'm in my seventies but if Tommy two names and his mob turn up I'm ready for a replay of Cable Street.Keep that twat well away from Villa Park
https://twitter.com/i/status/1979984740930200013
The smoke bombs are red and white, so looks like they came from the Hapoel fans.
Those Israeli police must really hate Jews though right?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1979984740930200013Jenrick has posted that it was ‘just bantz’
"Police said that conditions at the stadium were too dangerous to continue, leading to the cancellation just 20 minutes after the scheduled 8.30 pm kickoff. “This was not a football game, but a case of serious disorder and violence,” officials said"
Opta Stan.
Maccabi Tel Aviv have had 2 match postponements in the last 266 days for public disorder. Aston Villa haven't had 1 in 50,080 days (since 8th September 1888, Football League Matchday 1, the birth of global league football). Home or away.
Gaslit.
I think the more important point is football fans from Tel Aviv. They have different standards.https://twitter.com/i/status/1979984740930200013
The smoke bombs are red and white, so looks like they came from the Hapoel fans.
I wouldn't normally give The Canary the time of day but at least they've done some digging on our newly-established Jewish supporters group.
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2025/10/18/andrew-fox-concerned-footie-fan-actually-ex-army/
I wouldn't normally give The Canary the time of day but at least they've done some digging on our newly-established Jewish supporters group.
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2025/10/18/andrew-fox-concerned-footie-fan-actually-ex-army/
1: Is this bloke a Villa supporter?
2: Is he actually Jewish?
The even bigger point is that Jews are not banned, Israelis are not banned. The only people banned are Maccabi supporters.
The even bigger point is that Jews are not banned, Israelis are not banned. The only people banned are Maccabi supporters.
I saw someone say the other day that we may have banned just Maccabi supporters, but because a/ they're all Israeli, and b/ they're all Jewish, that we've discriminated, whether directly or indirectly. Which is just a huge stretch.
The game is going to go ahead with MTA fans in attendance.
Ed Milliband says so.
He's a knob.
Its a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.
QuoteIts a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.
QuoteIts a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.
Is that from TimVilla's new posting place?
Where is that from?QuoteIts a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.
Is that from TimVilla's new posting place?
A lot of Islamophobic people use the Jewish people as a cipher for their rampant racism.
QuoteIts a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.
QuoteIts a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.
I wouldn't put it like that at all, but the possibility of Israeli football fans being targeted and attacked by locals and pro-Palestine groups is certainly one of the factors at play in all of this as well isn't it? Allied to that, you've got the possibility of Israeli football fans attacking locals and pro-Palestine groups. On top of that there is then the possibility of all the above attacking the police and Villa fans just wanting to watch their team play a game of football.
Outrageous to suggest H&V is anywhere near as right wing as The Guardian.
Outrageous to suggest H&V is anywhere near as right wing as The Guardian.
Quite.
QuoteIts a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.
I wouldn't put it like that at all, but the possibility of Israeli football fans being targeted and attacked by locals and pro-Palestine groups is certainly one of the factors at play in all of this as well isn't it? Allied to that, you've got the possibility of Israeli football fans attacking locals and pro-Palestine groups. On top of that there is then the possibility of all the above attacking the police and Villa fans just wanting to watch their team play a game of football.
I think you're giving such folk a lot of credit - I'm not so sure that they would be troubled by having multiple trains of thought, and therefore avoiding having conflicting ones.A lot of Islamophobic people use the Jewish people as a cipher for their rampant racism.
I think this is a fair and likely accurate point. Things do change, but the old extremes of certain hooligans like Chelsea etc had signficant links with C18 and that, so I imagine these FLA marches are a bit more confusing for the older heads.
There's a lot of sideways talking though. Zionist is certainly a synonym for some and there's been holocaust trivialising on this thread alone which ought to make folks uncomfortable.
This issue is often the wink-wink vehicle.
Outrageous to suggest H&V is anywhere near as right wing as The Guardian.I should hope so after Barney Ronay's article in "The Guardian" describing the ban as a "terrible...and depressing decision"
I suggest that H&V is certainly more left wing than the present Labour government.
Where did this come from ?QuoteIts a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.
That Ronay column was genuinely bizarre.
Like Ronay's style, a lot at times, and I don't mind him having weirdo opinions as that is in the end the gig, and actually he writes very well about the commercial horrors that big global sport entails these days. But this column was very strange.
A lot of Islamophobic people use the Jewish people as a cipher for their rampant racism.
I think this is a fair and likely accurate point. Things do change, but the old extremes of certain hooligans like Chelsea etc had signficant links with C18 and that, so I imagine these FLA marches are a bit more confusing for the older heads.
There's a lot of sideways talking though. Zionist is certainly a synonym for some and there's been holocaust trivialising on this thread alone which ought to make folks uncomfortable.
This issue is often the wink-wink vehicle.
Where did this come from ?QuoteIts a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.
Nandy,in the HoC,stating her concerns about the rise in anti semitism and the safety of the Maccabi fans.
The safety of the residents of Aston and Birmingham and of any Villa fans doesn't seem to matter.
Someone who has a ticket for the MTA game told me earlier that they've decided not to go due to the security concerns (local meatheads amongst the Islamic-preaching community, the stray Israelis who will make the journey and try to get tickets despite the ban, pro-Palestine protesters, Tommy Titt and his angry rent-a-mob and every window-licking meathead within a 100 mile radius).Got a ticket still going. There’s never been any trouble with the locals, meatheads or otherwise. I imagine those that are likely to look for trouble will be targeting the MTA accommodation and travel routes if there are no visiting fans to get at.
With this in mind, what are the intentions of Villa fans now that the politicians have shoved their oar in.
(To the mods, if this is inappropriate, or been done elsewhere or needs merging with the other thread, then please do what's appropriate).
Lisa Nandy emphasised that the original decision was to ban all MTA fans, including what she described as the majority who would be British fans of the team, as distinct from the thugs ( not her word) exported from Tel Aviv, who were once again involved in rioting at their own match which was abandoned, last night. This was mentioned in the debate, as was their dreadful record.
Lisa Nandy emphasised that the original decision was to ban all MTA fans, including what she described as the majority who would be British fans of the team, as distinct from the thugs ( not her word) exported from Tel Aviv, who were once again involved in rioting at their own match which was abandoned, last night. This was mentioned in the debate, as was their dreadful record.
I'm happy to be corrected, but that sounds like total bollocks to me.
I imagine those that are likely to look for trouble will be targeting the MTA accommodation and travel routes if there are no visiting fans to get at.
What you called total bollocks. It happens quite a bit.
With teams in general. If they had a full away allocation there would almost certainly be some British based fans in the away end. Same as at plenty European games over here. And as happens in other countries as well.
I’ve been going for fifty-odd years, and worked there selling the fanzine for twenty-odd. Never had so much as crossed word with the local population, despite sometimes not being an ideal visitor myself. It makes me very angry that people from the party that was once the Parliamentary representative of the working class are bending over backwards to ensure the attendance of scumbags who will refuse to be searched by our non-white stewards. This might be a minor thing to some but it’s a sad microcosm of the situation. Hopefully they’ll all be given the night off. Paid.
My initial reaction was that I've never met a UK-based MTA supporter, but then I remembered a conversation on the train with a couple of guys from London of Turkish heritage the evening we played Trabzonspor. They were Arsenal fans but were supporting their Turkish team. I wouldn't be surprised if it's similar for many clubs from a country with a wide diaspora.With teams in general. If they had a full away allocation there would almost certainly be some British based fans in the away end. Same as at plenty European games over here. And as happens in other countries as well.
Lots of European teams have golbal followings, yes, and have plenty of British-based fans for multiple reasons. I don't think Maccabi Tel Aviv are one of those teams.
Understand your point Ads., however his contributions in the House today were reasonable, as were Jeremy Corbyn’s. They know how to behave in there. Unfortunately, several other people didn’t.
I have no doubt that the govt are ‘helping’ WMP to identify anybody who went from the UK to Amsterdam or Athens and got involved in the violence there; any bad actors who decide to join MTA for the day from TR’s lot and anyone like the excitable, entitled Oxford idiot who was chanting ‘Kill the Zios’ in London, the other day. We don’t want anyone like that inside or outside VP!
Understand your point Ads., however his contributions in the House today were reasonable, as were Jeremy Corbyn’s. They know how to behave in there. Unfortunately, several other people didn’t.
I have no doubt that the govt are ‘helping’ WMP to identify anybody who went from the UK to Amsterdam or Athens and got involved in the violence there; any bad actors who decide to join MTA for the day from TR’s lot and anyone like the excitable, entitled Oxford idiot who was chanting ‘Kill the Zios’ in London, the other day. We don’t want anyone like that inside or outside VP!
I'll be taking my 10 year old and I'm also hatching ways to be irresponsible to bunk him out of school early for the Young Boys game. I wonder what "appointment" he should have.
The politicians on all sides have so much to answer for here, they have blown this up and dragged our club and supporters into the centre of it, with hyperbole and purposeful misinformation.
The politicians on all sides have so much to answer for here, they have blown this up and dragged our club and supporters into the centre of it, with hyperbole and purposeful misinformation.
In the Commons debate, Zarah Sultana suggested that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans be investigated for war crimes.
The politicians on all sides have so much to answer for here, they have blown this up and dragged our club and supporters into the centre of it, with hyperbole and purposeful misinformation.
In the Commons debate, Zarah Sultana suggested that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans be investigated for war crimes.
I see Tommy two Names is going to be in attendance.
A lot of Islamophobic people use the Jewish people as a cipher for their rampant racism.
I think this is a fair and likely accurate point. Things do change, but the old extremes of certain hooligans like Chelsea etc had signficant links with C18 and that, so I imagine these FLA marches are a bit more confusing for the older heads.
There's a lot of sideways talking though. Zionist is certainly a synonym for some and there's been holocaust trivialising on this thread alone which ought to make folks uncomfortable.
This issue is often the wink-wink vehicle.
A quick search of the internet would suggest that their clubs anthem is about the colours they play in?
Maybe Mr EK94227386, who appears to post obsessively and exclusively about Israel, isn't quite the trusted source you'd naturally assume they would be.
A quick search of the internet would suggest that their clubs anthem is about the colours they play in?
Maybe Mr EK94227386, who appears to post obsessively and exclusively about Israel, isn't quite the trusted source you'd naturally assume they would be.
I’ve seen and heard them sing that one above, and the one about ‘no schools left in Gaza’, unless it was AI.
Yes I’m definately going. Either the away fan ban will stand or they’ll be ridiculous numbers of police and pre/post match fan segregation. All the hooliganism of the 70’s and 80’s didn't stop me and this won’t.
A quick search of the internet would suggest that their clubs anthem is about the colours they play in?
Maybe Mr EK94227386, who appears to post obsessively and exclusively about Israel, isn't quite the trusted source you'd naturally assume they would be.
I see Tommy two Names is going to be in attendance.
A quick search of the internet would suggest that their clubs anthem is about the colours they play in?
Maybe Mr EK94227386, who appears to post obsessively and exclusively about Israel, isn't quite the trusted source you'd naturally assume they would be.
Forget the internet, where's your evidence of "holocaust trivialising on this thread alone"?
Looking forwards to hammering these twats.
Confirmed that Maccabi Tel Aviv will not be selling tickets to their fans for the game.
'Resources will be found' to police Maccabi Tel Aviv game
Robinson's mother Irish, Dubliner I think?I see Tommy two Names is going to be in attendance.
Somewhat ironically he travels on an Irish passport! Plenty who have recently starting waving Israeli flags at Windsor Park in Belfast also do.
Quote'Resources will be found' to police Maccabi Tel Aviv game
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj971rwyzlgo
Turned down their allocation
a statement on the Maccabi website on Monday evening read: “The wellbeing and safety of our fans is paramount and, from hard lessons learned, we have taken the decision to decline any allocation offered on behalf of away fans, and our decision should be understood in that context.
“We hope that circumstances will change and look forward to being able to play in Birmingham in a sporting environment in the near future.”
A quick search of the internet would suggest that their clubs anthem is about the colours they play in?
Maybe Mr EK94227386, who appears to post obsessively and exclusively about Israel, isn't quite the trusted source you'd naturally assume they would be.
Forget the internet, where's your evidence of "holocaust trivialising on this thread alone"?
Martyn Smith calling it Holocaust-Falavour. Don't worry, you didn't post any holocaust trivialising things, you just drew on more classic anti-semitic tropes with your "new world order" comment.
A lot of Islamophobic people use the Jewish people as a cipher for their rampant racism.And the same people intensely dislike Jewish community as well but it’s more that their current target is Islam.
You always wanted this game played regardless of the risk to others.
MTA club statement. https://x.com/MaccabiTLVFC/status/1980383204210061538Total diatribe. They have picked up on all the buzz words to shift blame away from the fans. They should have made it more simple “our fans are bunch of ****** who can’t be trusted anywhere as proved in Tel Aviv this week so we don’t want them shaming us further in Birmingham”
You always wanted this game played regardless of the risk to others.
I think "Villa should definitely play the match that they are scheduled to play" would likely be a majority one amongst Villa supporters.
I'm not joining Ads on his barricades for many things, but this doesn't feel all that controversial.
Robinson's mother Irish, Dubliner I think?I see Tommy two Names is going to be in attendance.
Somewhat ironically he travels on an Irish passport! Plenty who have recently starting waving Israeli flags at Windsor Park in Belfast also do.
My initial reaction was that I've never met a UK-based MTA supporter, but then I remembered a conversation on the train with a couple of guys from London of Turkish heritage the evening we played Trabzonspor. They were Arsenal fans but were supporting their Turkish team. I wouldn't be surprised if it's similar for many clubs from a country with a wide diaspora.With teams in general. If they had a full away allocation there would almost certainly be some British based fans in the away end. Same as at plenty European games over here. And as happens in other countries as well.
Lots of European teams have golbal followings, yes, and have plenty of British-based fans for multiple reasons. I don't think Maccabi Tel Aviv are one of those teams.
My initial reaction was that I've never met a UK-based MTA supporter, but then I remembered a conversation on the train with a couple of guys from London of Turkish heritage the evening we played Trabzonspor. They were Arsenal fans but were supporting their Turkish team. I wouldn't be surprised if it's similar for many clubs from a country with a wide diaspora.With teams in general. If they had a full away allocation there would almost certainly be some British based fans in the away end. Same as at plenty European games over here. And as happens in other countries as well.
Lots of European teams have golbal followings, yes, and have plenty of British-based fans for multiple reasons. I don't think Maccabi Tel Aviv are one of those teams.
This echoes my recollection of Fenerbahce at home in 1978. They had a good few hundred fans in the Witton Lane seats and made a good racket. We walked alongside a number of them towards Witton Island and some Villa fans asked to swap scarves with them. They were politely refused as they all had London accents and we weren’t remotely exotic to them.
I wonder if this is something we've agreed on with them, club to club, given that it's a bit of a shit show all-round.
It looks like MTA are the grown ups saying they will refuse tickets for safety reasons.
It looks like MTA are the grown ups saying they will refuse tickets for safety reasons.
They need to be given a lot of credit for that.
That Ronay column was genuinely bizarre.They mostly are, I find.
Choosing to stand with the far-right foreign football hooligan against the local police force: this, apparently, is what British patriotism looks like in 2025. Truly, we are through the looking-glass here.
It looks like MTA are the grown ups saying they will refuse tickets for safety reasons.
They need to be given a lot of credit for that.
Especially as not wishing to be associated with the toxic racist dwarf was the final straw for them, according to The Jewish News.
That Ronay column was genuinely bizarre.They mostly are, I find.
Liew nails it (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/21/standing-with-maccabis-football-hooligans-against-local-police-is-that-what-patriotism-looks-like-now), however, as he frequently seems to do (he's the Preston pie man someone was referring to).
Just permit myself one short citation:Quote from: The GraunChoosing to stand with the far-right foreign football hooligan against the local police force: this, apparently, is what British patriotism looks like in 2025. Truly, we are through the looking-glass here.
Magnificent piece by Liew today in 'The Guardian'. Reinforces what a bunch of absolute knee-jerk gobshites much of our leading politicians are.
Maybe, at some point, before shouting their mouths of they might want to reflect a little on what it is that they are about to shout about. I guess, that the modern political class doesn't do reflection or research or balance though....
Today Programme on Radio 4 had a piece on this earlier, about 2hrs 10mins in. Pissed me off.
Today Programme on Radio 4 had a piece on this earlier, about 2hrs 10mins in. Pissed me off.Just listened to it (here if you're interested (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002l34d)).
I will be fair to the noses on this occasion - a lot of them were taking our side on it and some even offered to come to the game to confront them!Absolutely. Fair play to the noses on that one.
Spot on!It looks like MTA are the grown ups saying they will refuse tickets for safety reasons.
They need to be given a lot of credit for that.
Let's be honest nobody in England was going to (be able to) make a better decision. Regardless of what that decision ended up as.
We acknowledge the efforts of the UK government and police to ensure both sets of fans can attend the match safely, and are grateful for the messages of support from across the footballing community and society at large.
We as a Club believe that football should be about bringing people together not driving them apart and no one should feel unsafe for simply wanting to come and support their team nor feel any hesitation about being accompanied by family and friends.
We have a strong track record in seeking to bring people together. We have been instrumental in bringing forward footballing talent from around the world irrespective of race or creed. Our first team squad consists of Muslims, Christian and Jewish players and our fan base also crosses the ethnic and religious divide. We have also been working tirelessly to stamp out racism within the more extreme elements of our fan base. Unfortunately, those issues are not restricted to Israeli football, and they are problems the sport has been grappling worldwide including in the UK.
It is clear, that various entrenched groups seek to malign the Maccabi Tel Aviv fan base, most of whom have no truck with racism or hooliganism of any kind, and are exploiting isolated incidents for their own social and political ends. The latest example is by people who have rushed to attribute to our fans the decision of the Tel Aviv police to cancel our derby match yesterday. It was not. It is easier to believe than to enquire especially when it suites an agenda. Our fans regularly travel all over Europe without incident and to suggest that the reason our fans cannot be allowed to travel is due to their behavior is an attempt to distort reality and to excuse the real underlying reasons for the decision to ban our fans. Our fans, the Jewish community know all too well this tactic and all are too familiar with where it can lead.
We are also concerned about the intervention of divisive figures who do not represent the values of our Club. We condemn all abhorrent views that have no place in football.
As a result of the hate-filled falsehoods, a toxic atmosphere has been created which makes the safety of our fans wishing to attend very much in doubt. Inflammatory rhetoric, trafficking in half-truths is never healthy, but in this particular case the remarks being generated are of the most concerning variety. Not for Maccabi Tel Aviv or football, but for the sake of society and its underlying values, maybe the agendas involved here should be looked at more closely.
The wellbeing and safety of our fans is paramount and from hard lessons learned, we have taken the decision to decline any allocation offered on behalf of away fans and our decision should be understood in that context.
We hope that circumstances will change and look forward to being able to play in Birmingham in a sporting environment in the near future.
I'll be taking my 10 year old and I'm also hatching ways to be irresponsible to bunk him out of school early for the Young Boys game. I wonder what "appointment" he should have.
I will be fair to the noses on this occasion - a lot of them were taking our side on it and some even offered to come to the game to confront them!
I went to that - one of my favourite games ever. Still have the Banik Ostrava scarf we swapped outside the ground with one of their fans after the game :)I'll be taking my 10 year old and I'm also hatching ways to be irresponsible to bunk him out of school early for the Young Boys game. I wonder what "appointment" he should have.
My first ever game was the Banik Ostrava home game. My parents got me out of school early (we lived near Carlisle at the time), using the reasoning: going to see a Villa match. Guess times were different back then.
I went to that - one of my favourite games ever. Still have the Banik Ostrava scarf we swapped outside the ground with one of their fans after the game :)I'll be taking my 10 year old and I'm also hatching ways to be irresponsible to bunk him out of school early for the Young Boys game. I wonder what "appointment" he should have.
My first ever game was the Banik Ostrava home game. My parents got me out of school early (we lived near Carlisle at the time), using the reasoning: going to see a Villa match. Guess times were different back then.
Aston Villa can confirm ticket details for its UEFA Europa League league phase game at home to Maccabi Tel Aviv.
Important details for this fixture are below:
ONLY supporters with a booking history up to and including the 2024/25 season will be able to purchase a ticket. Supporters who do not have previous booking history with the club, or only have booking history from this season, will not be able to purchase tickets.
Supporters who are affected by stadium seating changes for this match have been emailed. Please reach out to the ticket office if you still need further assistance. Supporters are advised that tickets purchased as part of the match bundle are final and cannot be relocated to an alternative seat.
All on-sale tickets will be for the usual home sections of the stadium. No additional allocation of tickets will be sold.
A reminder to all supporters of the club’s policy on reselling tickets. Anyone found to have re-sold their ticket will face strong sanctions including having their season ticket removed.
The club has a robust, zero-tolerance approach to this matter.
As per UEFA guidance, the displaying of political symbols, messages or flags during the match is strictly prohibited and will result in immediate ejection and the issuing of a stadium ban.
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=086e8a7e3b&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-3988832896457621311&th=19a06fd0370836f2&view=fimg&disp=thd&attbid=ANGjdJ-k21CuA7XUfTxJrEw9cRqaVKy8p2lwZ99uySpBCG3nbi8ticNCdkW8S67q34J85q_DnRXZKj2wZM9XzWoVyFnQnZ-NcMHJ-NhKtfJext7B3s8Eiygfj93nKhc&ats=2524608000000&sz=w1124-h945
Let's hope this new fan of Maccabi doesn't turn up to the match, as threatened, with his mates. Astonians and Brummies will have to lock up their children for safety.
QuoteAston Villa can confirm ticket details for its UEFA Europa League league phase game at home to Maccabi Tel Aviv.
Important details for this fixture are below:
ONLY supporters with a booking history up to and including the 2024/25 season will be able to purchase a ticket. Supporters who do not have previous booking history with the club, or only have booking history from this season, will not be able to purchase tickets.
Supporters who are affected by stadium seating changes for this match have been emailed. Please reach out to the ticket office if you still need further assistance. Supporters are advised that tickets purchased as part of the match bundle are final and cannot be relocated to an alternative seat.
All on-sale tickets will be for the usual home sections of the stadium. No additional allocation of tickets will be sold.
A reminder to all supporters of the club’s policy on reselling tickets. Anyone found to have re-sold their ticket will face strong sanctions including having their season ticket removed.
The club has a robust, zero-tolerance approach to this matter.
As per UEFA guidance, the displaying of political symbols, messages or flags during the match is strictly prohibited and will result in immediate ejection and the issuing of a stadium ban.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/october/21/ticketing-details-for-maccabi-tel-aviv-fixture
QuoteAston Villa can confirm ticket details for its UEFA Europa League league phase game at home to Maccabi Tel Aviv.
Important details for this fixture are below:
ONLY supporters with a booking history up to and including the 2024/25 season will be able to purchase a ticket. Supporters who do not have previous booking history with the club, or only have booking history from this season, will not be able to purchase tickets.
Supporters who are affected by stadium seating changes for this match have been emailed. Please reach out to the ticket office if you still need further assistance. Supporters are advised that tickets purchased as part of the match bundle are final and cannot be relocated to an alternative seat.
All on-sale tickets will be for the usual home sections of the stadium. No additional allocation of tickets will be sold.
A reminder to all supporters of the club’s policy on reselling tickets. Anyone found to have re-sold their ticket will face strong sanctions including having their season ticket removed.
The club has a robust, zero-tolerance approach to this matter.
As per UEFA guidance, the displaying of political symbols, messages or flags during the match is strictly prohibited and will result in immediate ejection and the issuing of a stadium ban.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/october/21/ticketing-details-for-maccabi-tel-aviv-fixture
Hmm.... be interesting to see what constitutes a 'political' flag for this particular game?
'93 away shirts all round.
i think wearing those green kits would be an excellent, passive response to all this nonsense.
It's strange times when Maccabi come across far better than most of our politicians and media.Why wouldn’t they?
i think wearing those green kits would be an excellent, passive response to all this nonsense.
Passive? Going out of our way, to wear a non-registered shirt, in the colours we haven't worn in decades, that directly match the colours of Palestine would be one of the least passive.
Passiver......
i think wearing those green kits would be an excellent, passive response to all this nonsense.
Passive? Going out of our way, to wear a non-registered shirt, in the colours we haven't worn in decades, that directly match the colours of Palestine would be one of the least passive.
Passiver......
Ten names Tommy gets the blame from the Maccabi fans.Him getting involved was probably the issue that resulted in MTA refusing tickets?
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Iain Duncan Smith claimed 'there was no trouble at all' when Maccabi played a game in Istanbul. Liverpool MP, Ian Byrne pointed out UEFA moved the game to Hungary after the Turkish authorities refused to stage the game and the Hungarian authorities then played it 'behind closed doors'.
Ha, forgot about that monstrosity
IDS….what an absolute plank ::)QuoteIain Duncan Smith claimed 'there was no trouble at all' when Maccabi played a game in Istanbul. Liverpool MP, Ian Byrne pointed out UEFA moved the game to Hungary after the Turkish authorities refused to stage the game and the Hungarian authorities then played it 'behind closed doors'.
https://metro.co.uk/video/mp-schools-iain-duncan-smiths-selective-memory-maccabi-tel-aviv-game-3534663/
He was, but never fought a general election campaign I don't think. They thought Michael Howard was a better bet - he was that poor.IDS….what an absolute plank ::)QuoteIain Duncan Smith claimed 'there was no trouble at all' when Maccabi played a game in Istanbul. Liverpool MP, Ian Byrne pointed out UEFA moved the game to Hungary after the Turkish authorities refused to stage the game and the Hungarian authorities then played it 'behind closed doors'.
https://metro.co.uk/video/mp-schools-iain-duncan-smiths-selective-memory-maccabi-tel-aviv-game-3534663/
He’s always been a very poor politician so no need after a long career to be factually accurate when talking about sensitive issues
Was he actually Tory leader at some point?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/21/police-intelligence-on-extreme-maccabi-fans-with-history-of-violence-led-to-villa-park-banThe Jonathan Liew piece, linked to within this Guardian piece, is the best analysis of the situation Ive read in the mainstream media.
Turns out the main reason Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were banned is because they are violent racist arseholes who were expected to cause trouble. Who knew?
He was, but never fought a general election campaign I don't think. They thought Michael Howard was a better bet - he was that poor.IDS….what an absolute plank ::)QuoteIain Duncan Smith claimed 'there was no trouble at all' when Maccabi played a game in Istanbul. Liverpool MP, Ian Byrne pointed out UEFA moved the game to Hungary after the Turkish authorities refused to stage the game and the Hungarian authorities then played it 'behind closed doors'.
https://metro.co.uk/video/mp-schools-iain-duncan-smiths-selective-memory-maccabi-tel-aviv-game-3534663/
He’s always been a very poor politician so no need after a long career to be factually accurate when talking about sensitive issues
Was he actually Tory leader at some point?
What was the mistake?
I saw this one live, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing and hearing.What an absolute thicko.
https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1979212614765817987?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
I saw this one live, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing and hearing.Fucking hell they are literally showing footage of Maccabi fans kicking a man unconscious alongside her bullshit
https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1979212614765817987?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
I saw this one live, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing and hearing.Fucking hell they are literally showing footage of Maccabi fans kicking a man unconscious alongside her bullshit
https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1979212614765817987?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
What a revolting piece of shit Nandy is.
What a revolting piece of shit Nandy is.
I wouldn't go that far but I do find it weird that she, like many others, has made no attempt to recognise the multiple cases of hooliganism by hteir fans over the last couple of years or mention that some of their chnts and songs are highly problematic. I just don't get why it's so difficult for people to see that there's enough reasons for this ban without needing to bring Anti-semitism, Israel or jews into the conversation and by doing so you, to a degree, remove the consequences of their actions, which sets a really poor precedent if you then try to act tough on anti-social behaviour by other fans.
Depressing as fuck to see a Labour government yet again bending over backwards to be on the wrong side of the argument.
Also, shout out to the lack of knowledge amongst politicians of all parties who seem not to ever have heard that away fans being banned from fixtures in Europe is actually quite a common thing and not something invented in Birmingham last week.
There really is no hope for this country whilst even the guys who are - in my view at least - supposed to be 'the good guys' turn out to be no better than the last bunch of incompetent chumps*, and all the while in the background we have lurking a British Trumpism fantasist.
What a horrendous fucking mess.
* Mitchell and Webb gif here
If it was for example Dutch supporters who had caused a bit of violence previously do you think they would be banned 🤷♂️
Villa warn fans against political messaging
Aston Villa's warning is proof that even with Maccabi declining any tickets, the stakes remain high before one of the most highly politicised matches English football will have seen.
Fans facing 'extremely worrying' safety conditions at Uefa matches
Whats this crap about Birmingham hosting future events?QuoteVilla warn fans against political messagingQuoteAston Villa's warning is proof that even with Maccabi declining any tickets, the stakes remain high before one of the most highly politicised matches English football will have seen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce86vy4dvdmo
The silence of the agitator in chief - Starmer - is telling.
Bullshit made up statement for rage-bait.Whats this crap about Birmingham hosting future events?QuoteVilla warn fans against political messagingQuoteAston Villa's warning is proof that even with Maccabi declining any tickets, the stakes remain high before one of the most highly politicised matches English football will have seen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce86vy4dvdmo
An article from a month agoIt’s utterly ridiculous that the BBC posted an article about away fans being banned a few weeks ago, and yet their reporting on our game is like it’s the first time a ban has even happened.QuoteFans facing 'extremely worrying' safety conditions at Uefa matches
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c203z1d0yjwo
I imagine the BBC would much rather events are staged in Manchester.Bullshit made up statement for rage-bait.Whats this crap about Birmingham hosting future events?QuoteVilla warn fans against political messagingQuoteAston Villa's warning is proof that even with Maccabi declining any tickets, the stakes remain high before one of the most highly politicised matches English football will have seen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce86vy4dvdmo
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/21/police-intelligence-on-extreme-maccabi-fans-with-history-of-violence-led-to-villa-park-banThe Jonathan Liew piece, linked to within this Guardian piece, is the best analysis of the situation Ive read in the mainstream media.
Turns out the main reason Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were banned is because they are violent racist arseholes who were expected to cause trouble. Who knew?
I imagine the BBC would much rather events are staged in Manchester.Bullshit made up statement for rage-bait.Whats this crap about Birmingham hosting future events?QuoteVilla warn fans against political messagingQuoteAston Villa's warning is proof that even with Maccabi declining any tickets, the stakes remain high before one of the most highly politicised matches English football will have seen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce86vy4dvdmo
What a revolting piece of shit Nandy is.
I wouldn't go that far but I do find it weird that she, like many others, has made no attempt to recognise the multiple cases of hooliganism by hteir fans over the last couple of years or mention that some of their chnts and songs are highly problematic. I just don't get why it's so difficult for people to see that there's enough reasons for this ban without needing to bring Anti-semitism, Israel or jews into the conversation and by doing so you, to a degree, remove the consequences of their actions, which sets a really poor precedent if you then try to act tough on anti-social behaviour by other fans.
The chief constable of West Midlands Police said the force "hasn't failed anybody" as he defended the decision to ban Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from next month's fixture with Aston Villa.
It's the mix of the political backdrop and local demographics that have created the tension around this fixture.
Yeah, this is it. It's quite obviously going to be more than just a football match. There's almost certainly going to be pro-Palestine protests in the city, and potentially pro-Israel ones (particularly now Tommy Ten Names has stuck his oar in). The last thing that's needed is to add in hooligans who are known to cause trouble with the precise demographic of people who will be (a) at those protests and (b) live near to Villa Park.What a revolting piece of shit Nandy is.
I wouldn't go that far but I do find it weird that she, like many others, has made no attempt to recognise the multiple cases of hooliganism by hteir fans over the last couple of years or mention that some of their chnts and songs are highly problematic. I just don't get why it's so difficult for people to see that there's enough reasons for this ban without needing to bring Anti-semitism, Israel or jews into the conversation and by doing so you, to a degree, remove the consequences of their actions, which sets a really poor precedent if you then try to act tough on anti-social behaviour by other fans.
The problem if you start going solely down the hooligan route Paul is that there are quite a number of clubs across Europe who have supporters who are well known for extreme violence and awful chanting (including this country and even our own city), so it's where you set that bar I suppose in terms of banning them.
It's the mix of the political backdrop and local demographics that have created the tension around this fixture.
What a revolting piece of shit Nandy is.
I wouldn't go that far but I do find it weird that she, like many others, has made no attempt to recognise the multiple cases of hooliganism by hteir fans over the last couple of years or mention that some of their chnts and songs are highly problematic. I just don't get why it's so difficult for people to see that there's enough reasons for this ban without needing to bring Anti-semitism, Israel or jews into the conversation and by doing so you, to a degree, remove the consequences of their actions, which sets a really poor precedent if you then try to act tough on anti-social behaviour by other fans.
The problem if you start going solely down the hooligan route Paul is that there are quite a number of clubs across Europe who have supporters who are well known for extreme violence and awful chanting (including this country and even our own city), so it's where you set that bar I suppose in terms of banning them.
It's the mix of the political backdrop and local demographics that have created the tension around this fixture.
Don't think Nandy is a nasty piece of work, per se.What a revolting piece of shit Nandy is.
I wouldn't go that far but I do find it weird that she, like many others, has made no attempt to recognise the multiple cases of hooliganism by their fans over the last couple of years or mention that some of their chants and songs are highly problematic. I just don't get why it's so difficult for people to see that there's enough reasons for this ban without needing to bring Anti-semitism, Israel or jews into the conversation and by doing so you, to a degree, remove the consequences of their actions, which sets a really poor precedent if you then try to act tough on anti-social behaviour by other fans.
What a revolting piece of shit Nandy is.
I wouldn't go that far but I do find it weird that she, like many others, has made no attempt to recognise the multiple cases of hooliganism by hteir fans over the last couple of years or mention that some of their chnts and songs are highly problematic. I just don't get why it's so difficult for people to see that there's enough reasons for this ban without needing to bring Anti-semitism, Israel or jews into the conversation and by doing so you, to a degree, remove the consequences of their actions, which sets a really poor precedent if you then try to act tough on anti-social behaviour by other fans.
The problem if you start going solely down the hooligan route Paul is that there are quite a number of clubs across Europe who have supporters who are well known for extreme violence and awful chanting (including this country and even our own city), so it's where you set that bar I suppose in terms of banning them.
It's the mix of the political backdrop and local demographics that have created the tension around this fixture.
What a revolting piece of shit Nandy is.
I wouldn't go that far but I do find it weird that she, like many others, has made no attempt to recognise the multiple cases of hooliganism by hteir fans over the last couple of years or mention that some of their chnts and songs are highly problematic. I just don't get why it's so difficult for people to see that there's enough reasons for this ban without needing to bring Anti-semitism, Israel or jews into the conversation and by doing so you, to a degree, remove the consequences of their actions, which sets a really poor precedent if you then try to act tough on anti-social behaviour by other fans.
The problem if you start going solely down the hooligan route Paul is that there are quite a number of clubs across Europe who have supporters who are well known for extreme violence and awful chanting (including this country and even our own city), so it's where you set that bar I suppose in terms of banning them.
It's the mix of the political backdrop and local demographics that have created the tension around this fixture.
I didn't do that though, I said that it's weird that she did the exact opposite and refused to even acknowledge the part their fan violence and racist chanting has played in the decision. It doesn't matter where you're from or what religion you have, if your fans are likely to turn up toa city with a big Muslim population and start singing about raping Muslim women and glorying the deaths of Muslim children and they have a history of violence then you're probably going to face some serious restrictions being placed on them, including bans.
Many teams have been banned from taking fans away over the years for things like this, the exceptional circumstances here aren't that Israelis are being singled out for unfair treatment, it's that the knee-jerk reaction from a huge part of the British political and media group was to expect the opposite and for their fans behaviour to be ignored for political reasons.
Alistair Campbell also talking sense on 'The Rest is Politics' podcast.
Racist chanting by Israeli football fans grew rapidly over the past year, data shows, with Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters the most likely to engage in discriminatory behaviour.
The research was conducted by Kick It Out Israel, which is funded by a civil society organisation, Givat Haviva, that works towards the “creation of a shared society for Jews and Arabs”. It found 367 instances of racist chanting at Israeli Premier League (IPL) matches in the 2024-25 season, a record total and an increase of 67% on the previous campaign.
Of those incidents 118 were observed in stands containing Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters and the most commonly recorded chant was “Let the IDF win, fuck the Arabs”, a slogan sung by Maccabi fans during unrest that preceded the club’s match against Ajax last season.
The figures add context to the decision by West Midlands police to ban Maccabi supporters from attending next month’s Europa League fixture with Aston Villa in Birmingham. The Guardian reported this week that the prospect of travelling Maccabi fans shouting “racist taunts” was among the key observations made in police intelligence and risk assessments.
The Kick It Out Israel report also observed 165 violent incidents at IPL matches last season. This includes thrown objects and pitch invasions. It was a 21% decline on the previous season.
Matan Segal, the director of Kick It Out Israel, said the 2024-25 season in Israeli football would “be remembered not for the football itself but for a series of troubling events that should concern every citizen in Israel”. He accused authorities of a “lack of enforcement against racism, violence and homophobia” and said there was an “absence of a serious and effective effort to combat these phenomena”.
Beitar Jerusalem fans were recorded as making the second-most racist chants, with 115, and next were Maccabi Netanya with 29 chants.
The Israel Football Association (IFA) said in a statement to the Guardian: “Racist comments are part of almost every league and a problem that world and European football is dealing with.” It said it had a three-pronged approach to addressing abuse, via education, information campaigns and “strict disciplinary punishment”. The IFA went on to say: “Racist comments from fans have no place on football fields and in general. In the face of manifestations of antisemitism and racist comments against Israel and Jews, we insist on proving that it is possible otherwise. It would be better if those who accuse Israeli football of racism looked at themselves first.”
A growth in racism at Israeli grounds is at odds with broader trends in Europe, according to Piara Powar, the executive director of the Fare network, which monitors racist activity at football matches across the continent. “In the European context, and indeed in a global environment, it’s difficult to say that discrimination is going up as a whole,” he said.
Fare estimates there are 3,000 incidents of discrimination in the top divisions across Europe every season. “There are peaks and troughs, different global, regional and national events that impact regions and countries differently,” Powar said. “What we do know is that discrimination in all of its forms has attached itself to football for a long time, and whilst there is much more awareness of its existence and its pernicious impact, it is difficult to see it going away any time soon. Particularly not in the cauldron of political division, far-right political mainstreaming and social media underregulation that we face.”
This week FairSquare, which advocates for the upholding of human rights in sport, wrote to Uefa arguing the IFA was in breach of Article 7 of Uefa’s statutes, which require member associations to “implement an effective policy aimed at eradicating racism and any other forms of discrimination”. FairSquare said the Kick It Out Israel report “provides clear grounds for Uefa to act and suspend the IFA”, an action Uefa had been expected to take last month before the announcement of plans for the current ceasefire in Gaza.
Maccabi Tel Aviv and Uefa did not respond to requests for comment on Kick It Out Israel’s findings.
It is isn’t it. However, the news cycle has turned and it’s all Grooming gangs now, we are but a minor footnote in the 24 hr news channels race to the bottom.
One person who has been notable in their absence during this furore is the Mayor of the West Midlands. Has he come out of his bunker yet? Or did I miss his pronouncements and standing up for the citizens of the city region he represents and is supposed to be their voice.
It is isn’t it. However, the news cycle has turned and it’s all Grooming gangs now, we are but a minor footnote in the 24 hr news channels race to the bottom.
One person who has been notable in their absence during this furore is the Mayor of the West Midlands. Has he come out of his bunker yet? Or did I miss his pronouncements and standing up for the citizens of the city region he represents and is supposed to be their voice.
I did think the same, had this been happened to one of the Manchester clubs you'd have seen and heard Andy Burnham everywhere.
I'd rather he say nothing than him jump on the bandwagon early like most politicians have.
I'd rather he say nothing than him jump on the bandwagon early like most politicians have.
I'd rather he say nothing than him jump on the bandwagon early like most politicians have.
I’m sorry but I completely disagree. He may have copped a load of flak he didn’t feel he deserved but it’s literally his job to be a voice for the West Midlands and stand up against national politicians decrying the name of this city. As Lee quite rightly says Burnham would have got stuck right in.
I'd rather he say nothing than him jump on the bandwagon early like most politicians have.
I’m sorry but I completely disagree. He may have copped a load of flak he didn’t feel he deserved but it’s literally his job to be a voice for the West Midlands and stand up against national politicians decrying the name of this city. As Lee quite rightly says Burnham would have got stuck right in.
I agree, my point is better he said nothing than him repeating the line of Starmer. I'd much rather he had come out early and backed the police though, which is what I think should've happened with all our local politicians.
I'd rather he say nothing than him jump on the bandwagon early like most politicians have.
I’m sorry but I completely disagree. He may have copped a load of flak he didn’t feel he deserved but it’s literally his job to be a voice for the West Midlands and stand up against national politicians decrying the name of this city. As Lee quite rightly says Burnham would have got stuck right in.
If it’s 6pm there won’t be many - if any - Villa supporters there
It is isn’t it. However, the news cycle has turned and it’s all Grooming gangs now, we are but a minor footnote in the 24 hr news channels race to the bottom.
One person who has been notable in their absence during this furore is the Mayor of the West Midlands. Has he come out of his bunker yet? Or did I miss his pronouncements and standing up for the citizens of the city region he represents and is supposed to be their voice.
A pro Palestinian demonstration asking for an Israel to be kicked out of the competition is planned for 6pm on the night of the match at The Holte End.Trouble making wankers…..it’s as simple as that.
I think this could get very messy, as Villa fans themselves are very divided on this issue, so it's a heads up to anyone who wants to either join or avoid.
I know the overall feeling on H&V is pro Palestine, but also that no one wants any trouble, so I make no judgements either way about what people want to do with this.
The stuff about 'masking' for your own safety in this release does ramp it up as I feel it will add a threatening appearance to the demo. I see they ask demonstrators not to bring children or vulnerable people, but obviously there will be children and vulnerable people amongst our support.
Statement:
ALL OUT AGAINST MACCABI TEL AVIV FC!
📆 November 6th 2025
🕖 6pm
📍Holte End entrance on Trinity Road, Birmingham, B6 6HE
While we witnessed a brutal genocide against the Palestinian people for the last two years, the authorities of UEFA and FIFA have refused to acknowledge their role in the crimes committed by the zionist state. This is why instead of being sanctioned, israeli team Maccabi Tel Aviv is being welcomed to play against Aston Villa right here in Birmingham on November 6th.
Now more than ever we must rise together in protest against the upcoming Aston Villa vs. Maccabi Tel Aviv match and make it clear that neither Maccabi Tel Aviv FC nor its deranged fans are welcome in our city!
For your safety, masking is advised and we ask to avoid bringing any children or vulnerable people to the demonstration, as a precaution.
He tweeted very much in support of the government/tory/reform/libdem/Tommy Robinson position.
Football is about bringing people together. Everyone who loves the game should have the chance to attend.
The first priority is the safety of individuals in and around Birmingham and Villa Park - that is paramount. Whilst I respect West Midlands Police, if the Government are willing to support in terms of resource then there should be a review of the decision that has been made.
Whilst I don’t oversee policing in the region, I want to work alongside Aston Villa, the Government, the Home Office, the Council and West Midlands Police to broker a solution that keeps the spirit of inclusive and accessible sport alive - whilst ensuring the safety of local people and visitors.
I’d like all parties to work together to find a workable solution that can be implemented.
The pro Palestine protesters were always going to be the biggest threat for trouble this night .Utter Bollocks
The pro Palestine protesters were always going to be the biggest threat for trouble this night .Utter Bollocks
The pro Palestine protesters were always going to be the biggest threat for trouble this night .Utter Bollocks
The pro Palestine protesters were always going to be the biggest threat for trouble this night .Utter Bollocks
Do you really think the local pro Palestine supporters of Aston , Nechells, Alum Rock, Small Heath , Sparkhill/Sparkbrook were going to just stand on their doorstep & happyily wave at the MTA fans as they pass?
They were always going to turn up at Villa Park/Aston on the night, which would lead to inevitable trouble.
You'd have to be incredibly naïve to think otherwise IMO. It would/will be a particularly volatile cocktail having 2 sets of people with strong political beliefs and a penchant for violent behaviour.The pro Palestine protesters were always going to be the biggest threat for trouble this night .Utter Bollocks
Do you really think the local pro Palestine supporters of Aston , Nechells, Alum Rock, Small Heath , Sparkhill/Sparkbrook were going to just stand on their doorstep & happyily wave at the MTA fans as they pass?
They were always going to turn up at Villa Park/Aston on the night, which would lead to inevitable trouble.
The pro Palestine protesters were always going to be the biggest threat for trouble this night .Utter Bollocks
Do you really think the local pro Palestine supporters of Aston , Nechells, Alum Rock, Small Heath , Sparkhill/Sparkbrook were going to just stand on their doorstep & happyily wave at the MTA fans as they pass?
They were always going to turn up at Villa Park/Aston on the night, which would lead to inevitable trouble.
That doesn't make them the "biggest threat" though. There's definitely a threat and I still expect it'll kick off without the helpful excuse of the Maccabi thugs causing it.
But the biggest threat was definitely bringing a few hundred Maccabi into that environment. Leaving a big pile of dry wood in the sun on a hot day is a risk. Flicking matches at it is a much bigger risk.
The pro Palestine lot would've been the match throwers.The pro Palestine protesters were always going to be the biggest threat for trouble this night .Utter Bollocks
Do you really think the local pro Palestine supporters of Aston , Nechells, Alum Rock, Small Heath , Sparkhill/Sparkbrook were going to just stand on their doorstep & happyily wave at the MTA fans as they pass?
They were always going to turn up at Villa Park/Aston on the night, which would lead to inevitable trouble.
That doesn't make them the "biggest threat" though. There's definitely a threat and I still expect it'll kick off without the helpful excuse of the Maccabi thugs causing it.
But the biggest threat was definitely bringing a few hundred Maccabi into that environment. Leaving a big pile of dry wood in the sun on a hot day is a risk. Flicking matches at it is a much bigger risk.
I fear this match will end up being banned or moved on or before it gets to match day.
The pro Palestine protesters were always going to be the biggest threat for trouble this night .luke that's ....... Actually I will not say or can say anything that will stand me in good light.
I fear this match will end up being banned or moved on or before it gets to match day.
I would wager that there is a 0% chance that this happens.
I fear this match will end up being banned or moved on or before it gets to match day.
I would wager that there is a 0% chance that this happens.
Must be a fairly high % of a serious ruckus between the EDL types led by their Musk funded pied piper (pro genocide/Israel) and local Muslim/pro Palestine community?
I wouldnt underestimate the ability of Robinson, Musk and their ilk to rustle enough local scumbags to kick off on the night. There's been riots in Dublin at an international protection center for the last two nights after an alleged assault by a resident there on a child. This is only a few months after a serious riot in the city centre after a similar assault that ended with looting of shops and burning out trams.
I fear this match will end up being banned or moved on or before it gets to match day.
I would wager that there is a 0% chance that this happens.
Must be a fairly high % of a serious ruckus between the EDL types led by their Musk funded pied piper (pro genocide/Israel) and local Muslim/pro Palestine community?
I wouldnt underestimate the ability of Robinson, Musk and their ilk to rustle enough local scumbags to kick off on the night. There's been riots in Dublin at an international protection center for the last two nights after an alleged assault by a resident there on a child. This is only a few months after a serious riot in the city centre after a similar assault that ended with looting of shops and burning out trams.
I'm boycotting this fixture and will not be attending VP or engaging in any of my usual match day routines. I'll also be boycotting media coverage of the fixture.
This has been handled poorly by the footballing authorities in the first instance and more recently by our so-called politicians.
Match won't be cancelled but I doubt that protest will be allowed at that location
The pro Palestine lot would've been the match throwers.
The police would've handled a few hundred MTA fans as they did the Warsaw fans but they would struggled policing the pro Palestine lot (which could be any of 1000s who are around the ground on the night , including match go''ers)
Like you say MTA fans & their previous behaviour was a perfect excuse.
The pro Palestine lot would've been the match throwers.
The police would've handled a few hundred MTA fans as they did the Warsaw fans but they would struggled policing the pro Palestine lot (which could be any of 1000s who are around the ground on the night , including match go''ers)
Like you say MTA fans & their previous behaviour was a perfect excuse.
You mean the previous behaviour of beating up a Palestinian they bumped into in Greece and leaving them lying unconcious or deliberately going around a muslim area shouting anti-muslim things and beating up a Muslim taxi driver, the actions which then led to the Muslims going out in gangs to target Jews. (The latter getting exceedingly large coverage compared to the former and with apparently MTA thugs still running around attacking people and that being blamed on the other side in news reports.)
I’m not sure why the pro Palastine protest organisers have urged attendees to mask up for their own safety.
I’m not sure why the pro Palastine protest organisers have urged attendees to mask up for their own safety.Won't be easy to implement but we definitely need the authorities to ban all face coverings on the day/night of the game. It's the cowards way out throwing missiles and covering the face.
MTA shouldn’t be in the competition. The double standards in treatments of Russian sports teams, who as bad they are not committing genocide, and teams from Israel, who are, is stark. All because the Israeli actions are licensed by Western complicity.
Bigger picture. This isn’t about football. It’s about international solidarity with the oppressed whether Muslim, Jew, Trekkies or something else.
Sh*t that Villa are wrapped up in it, but as we are, I think it’s right that people shown respect when they show solidarity with a decimated Palestinian population and all others who’ve suffered oppression and genocide over the years, even if you disagree.
MTA shouldn’t be in the competition. The double standards in treatments of Russian sports teams, who as bad they are not committing genocide, and teams from Israel, who are, is stark. All because the Israeli actions are licensed by Western complicity.
Bigger picture. This isn’t about football. It’s about international solidarity with the oppressed whether Muslim, Jew, Trekkies or something else.
Sh*t that Villa are wrapped up in it, but as we are, I think it’s right that people shown respect when they show solidarity with a decimated Palestinian population and all others who’ve suffered oppression and genocide over the years, even if you disagree.
It's a perfectly valid opinion that they shouldn't be in the competition - but the fact is that they are. I'm while I'm the last person you're going to hear saying "keep the politics out of football" for the Villa fans going to watch the game, it's fine for that couple of hours to be about us knocking four or more past Maccabi.
I'm quite comfortable for people to gather and show solidarity for their cause - but as others have said (and the police will probably enforce anyway), maybe do it somewhere other than Villa Park? There'll be no Maccabi fans around, so it's not like they're doing it for the benefit of anyone other Villa fans going to the game.
That gives the best chance of the whole thing passing without it turning into an international incident, risking harm to the reputation of the club and the city.
I’m not sure why the pro Palastine protest organisers have urged attendees to mask up for their own safety.
MTA shouldn’t be in the competition. The double standards in treatments of Russian sports teams, who as bad they are not committing genocide, and teams from Israel, who are, is stark. All because the Israeli actions are licensed by Western complicity.
Bigger picture. This isn’t about football. It’s about international solidarity with the oppressed whether Muslim, Jew, Trekkies or something else.
Sh*t that Villa are wrapped up in it, but as we are, I think it’s right that people shown respect when they show solidarity with a decimated Palestinian population and all others who’ve suffered oppression and genocide over the years, even if you disagree.
It's a perfectly valid opinion that they shouldn't be in the competition - but the fact is that they are. I'm while I'm the last person you're going to hear saying "keep the politics out of football" for the Villa fans going to watch the game, it's fine for that couple of hours to be about us knocking four or more past Maccabi.
I'm quite comfortable for people to gather and show solidarity for their cause - but as others have said (and the police will probably enforce anyway), maybe do it somewhere other than Villa Park? There'll be no Maccabi fans around, so it's not like they're doing it for the benefit of anyone other Villa fans going to the game.
That gives the best chance of the whole thing passing without it turning into an international incident, risking harm to the reputation of the club and the city.
I think the nature of protest means they’ll want to be seen and heard rather than tucked away. And with an Israeli team in town, particularly one known for far right IDF alumni creds, now’s the chance.
I’m not sure why the pro Palastine protest organisers have urged attendees to mask up for their own safety.
Because their intention is confrontation & to cause trouble ?
I’m not sure why the pro Palastine protest organisers have urged attendees to mask up for their own safety.
Because their intention is confrontation & to cause trouble ?
For some, maybe. It’s not been my experience of antiracism or solidarity demos.
I’m not sure why the pro Palastine protest organisers have urged attendees to mask up for their own safety.
Because their intention is confrontation & to cause trouble ?
For some, maybe. It’s not been my experience of antiracism or solidarity demos.
Some & there's always some. On both sides !!
For your safety, masking is advised and we ask to avoid bringing any children or vulnerable people to the demonstration, as a precaution.
If this was Tommy Twat Names lot posting this no one would be saying they're intending to peacefulQuoteFor your safety, masking is advised and we ask to avoid bringing any children or vulnerable people to the demonstration, as a precaution.
See points above from me and dr chekov. Solidarity and anti racist demos don’t usually mean a mask. But for some protesting there’s a few things to be fearful of on this occasion.
See points above from me and dr chekov. Solidarity and anti racist demos don’t usually mean a mask. But for some protesting there’s a few things to be fearful of on this occasion.
What, a few thousand Villa fans wandering through Witton to watch their football match?
You could just admit that telling people to mask up makes them sound like twats.
If they are intending to be peaceful and law abiding why would they care about the police seeing their faces?
But the cops are just one of the few reasons mentioned to cover faces.
But the cops are just one of the few reasons mentioned to cover faces.
Yeah, the other was "the far right". Who now have no real reason to be there, other than to confront these guys.
So how about they all go and have their set-to somewhere else with their masks, away from Villa supporting kids and pensioners?
Lots of peaceful pro-Palestine protestors didn't need masks and weren't picked on by police, only those supporting PA have been and even they didn't need masks.
But the cops are just one of the few reasons mentioned to cover faces.
Yeah, the other was "the far right". Who now have no real reason to be there, other than to confront these guys.
So how about they all go and have their set-to somewhere else with their masks, away from Villa supporting kids and pensioners?
Hope all is peaceful despite the complete dereliction of care from politicians and media.
But the cops are just one of the few reasons mentioned to cover faces.
Yeah, the other was "the far right". Who now have no real reason to be there, other than to confront these guys.
So how about they all go and have their set-to somewhere else with their masks, away from Villa supporting kids and pensioners?
Fair question. The answer is because these Villa kids and pensioners you mention are coming to see Villa playing a team from an apartheid state carrying out a genocide.
No one says that if the intention is ro be purely peaceful.
None of it is nice, that’s the fall out of a genocide. Again not saying masking up is right or wrong. It’s not something I’ve done, just speculating in their reasoning, like you.
Anyway off to the pub to catch the second half.
Did you get your finger stuck on the shift key? I’m not going to be there so if you get shouted at and you don’t like what you hear, shout back.
The defence of people giving every impression of turning up at our ground and being anything but peaceful is weird as fuck. I don't care if it's pro-Palestine, Tommy's twats or Villa fans before a random game. Fuck off.
Did you get your finger stuck on the shift key? I’m not going to be there so if you get shouted at and you don’t like what you hear, shout back.
I was trying to emphasise you seem to be missing that it is Villa fans being harrassed by deliberately masked protestors and even seem to be indicating they deserve to be. But you be you and just fuck off down the pub.
I also think WMP will be able to handle this now the MTA thugs won’t be there.That is of course they don't still travel over having already booked flights & hotels . Now the police have little idea who & where they are if they do still travel
So why the masks?
That is of course they don't still travel over having already booked flights & hotels . Now the police have little idea who & where they are if they do still travel
Protesting at the back of the Holte, wearing masks, seems anti Villa supporters attending the match. It’s needlessly provocative.
No way will that be allowed to go ahead.And it shouldn’t, it’s just a rallying cry for more incitement. Freedom and justice?
It does - but - there is something to be said for being willing to reflect on your approach rather than digging your heels in! Rare and refreshing nowadays really!
Is the Andrew Fox getting the photo credits the honorary president of the Jewish Villans?
I didn't sense any discontent or dark clouds at all. What utter bullshit.
I didn't sense any discontent or dark clouds at all. What utter bullshit.
So this sort of one sided tripe shouldn't be a surprise.I didn't sense any discontent or dark clouds at all. What utter bullshit.
It's the Telegraph
It seems the press have jumped on something which has been completely manufactured in order to beat the club over the head.It feels like just an extension of the usual PSR/trying to sell our players to the Sky thing but with mu h darker undertonesThe club and the city. Absolutely no mention of the national football intelligence units involvement in the decision.
Imagine if the Macabbi fans were allowed to come and imagine if there was no real protest and instead a gamed of football broke out and all was good.Yeah imagine if weeks post genocide, the people that commited the genocide rocked up to watch a football match in an area surrounded by people whose family have been murdered in the genocide.
Do you not think the media would report it as it was or look for something negative to report - i remember in Italia 90 and Spain 82 how certain people within the British press would fund the hooligans to be on the piss all day and then report how the "scum" would bring shame to the UK when it kicked off - i even read that a S8N reporter was pointing out to local youths where the England fans were drinking - all to get a staged photo.
Reporting a funeral sells more than a wedding (unless its some twat off Love Island etc)
The press are diabolical here - no such thing as news nowadays only opinion.
Are there Los of Palestinians-in Aston/ Birmingham?Imagine if the Macabbi fans were allowed to come and imagine if there was no real protest and instead a gamed of football broke out and all was good.Yeah imagine if weeks post genocide, the people that commited the genocide rocked up to watch a football match in an area surrounded by people whose family have been murdered in the genocide.
Do you not think the media would report it as it was or look for something negative to report - i remember in Italia 90 and Spain 82 how certain people within the British press would fund the hooligans to be on the piss all day and then report how the "scum" would bring shame to the UK when it kicked off - i even read that a S8N reporter was pointing out to local youths where the England fans were drinking - all to get a staged photo.
Reporting a funeral sells more than a wedding (unless its some twat off Love Island etc)
The press are diabolical here - no such thing as news nowadays only opinion.
Not sure, but go up to Lozells a mile up the road and there are a bigger concentration of Palestinian flags than I’ve seen elsewhere in Brum. If that tells you anything at all, which is possibly doesn’t.Are there Los of Palestinians-in Aston/ Birmingham?Imagine if the Macabbi fans were allowed to come and imagine if there was no real protest and instead a gamed of football broke out and all was good.Yeah imagine if weeks post genocide, the people that commited the genocide rocked up to watch a football match in an area surrounded by people whose family have been murdered in the genocide.
Do you not think the media would report it as it was or look for something negative to report - i remember in Italia 90 and Spain 82 how certain people within the British press would fund the hooligans to be on the piss all day and then report how the "scum" would bring shame to the UK when it kicked off - i even read that a S8N reporter was pointing out to local youths where the England fans were drinking - all to get a staged photo.
Reporting a funeral sells more than a wedding (unless its some twat off Love Island etc)
The press are diabolical here - no such thing as news nowadays only opinion.
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/U_ia5m13N9g
If the link works true or false?
I note that Starmer has shut his mouth in this.
I thought he was going to do everything in his power to overturn the ‘ban’ ?
Or was it another opportunity for a useless fucking sound bite from the smarmy git ?
This aint selling well at all. All the drama and its gonna prob only be around 30k mark unless some last minute snap upsand that’s not a. Pointing for those who have purchased a bundle but will skip it…even more so if it’s raining
This aint selling well at all. All the drama and its gonna prob only be around 30k mark unless some last minute snap upsand that’s not a. Pointing for those who have purchased a bundle but will skip it…even more so if it’s raining
I note that Starmer has shut his mouth in this.
I thought he was going to do everything in his power to overturn the ‘ban’ ?
Or was it another opportunity for a useless fucking sound bite from the smarmy git ?
There's no ban to overturn. MTA have effectively closed the issue. What do you expect him to do? Or say?
He lit the touch paper and fucked off.I note that Starmer has shut his mouth in this.
I thought he was going to do everything in his power to overturn the ‘ban’ ?
Or was it another opportunity for a useless fucking sound bite from the smarmy git ?
There's no ban to overturn. MTA have effectively closed the issue. What do you expect him to do? Or say?
He lit the touch paper and fucked off.I note that Starmer has shut his mouth in this.
I thought he was going to do everything in his power to overturn the ‘ban’ ?
Or was it another opportunity for a useless fucking sound bite from the smarmy git ?
There's no ban to overturn. MTA have effectively closed the issue. What do you expect him to do? Or say?
Is that how it is now ? As the ‘leader’ of the country, you say something that has a profound effect, drags in all sorts of scum in response, results in Tommy ten names offering to attend the game, and inflames the situation far more than it ever needed to be and caused the name and reputation of the club to be dragged through the dirt.
You might be ok with that, I’m not.
He need to account for his words and actions, the smarmy get.
Just to let you know that the Palestine Solidarity protest is now working with police to ensure it is all as safe and peaceful as possible.
Looks almost sold out.This aint selling well at all. All the drama and its gonna prob only be around 30k mark unless some last minute snap upsand that’s not a. Pointing for those who have purchased a bundle but will skip it…even more so if it’s raining
Reckon a boring 2-1 Villa win in front of 25,000 and both sets of protestors deciding that not getting rained on is more important than their cause is probably the best thing anyone could have hoped for at the start of all this.
Just to let you know that the Palestine Solidarity protest is now working with police to ensure it is all as safe and peaceful as possible.
Well that's a positive I suppose, but it just feels like it's antagonistic, raising the ante, trying to get one over Maccabi, is ill-timed and I wish they'd leave football alone and clear off.
We just need to get this game done now. Play the game, move on.
We just need to get this game done now. Play the game, move on.I agree. Just want to beat them and move on.
Just to let you know that the Palestine Solidarity protest is now working with police to ensure it is all as safe and peaceful as possible.
Wrong thread.
We just need to get this game done now. Play the game, move on.
Not that many left. Mainly in the Upper Trinity.
Correct, in guess the crowd I'm going for 28000 ishNot that many left. Mainly in the Upper Trinity.
I don't know where you're looking but there's loads all ove the place, including the Holte
Not that many left. Mainly in the Upper Trinity.
I don't know where you're looking but there's loads all ove the place, including the Holte
Just looking at the normal ticket page. Hardly any in the Holte except for some GA+.Correct, in guess the crowd I'm going for 28000 ishNot that many left. Mainly in the Upper Trinity.
I don't know where you're looking but there's loads all ove the place, including the Holte
Warnings of disruption and protests have come from police as more than 700 officers prepare to mount an operation in Birmingham for Aston Villa's Uefa Europa League match against Maccabi Tel Aviv.
Just looking at the normal ticket page. Hardly any in the Holte except for some GA+.Correct, in guess the crowd I'm going for 28000 ishNot that many left. Mainly in the Upper Trinity.
I don't know where you're looking but there's loads all ove the place, including the Holte
Just looking at the normal ticket page. Hardly any in the Holte except for some GA+.Correct, in guess the crowd I'm going for 28000 ishNot that many left. Mainly in the Upper Trinity.
I don't know where you're looking but there's loads all ove the place, including the Holte
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdeg6jw6p8joI don't think there will be many last minute ticket sales on the back of that story.QuoteWarnings of disruption and protests have come from police as more than 700 officers prepare to mount an operation in Birmingham for Aston Villa's Uefa Europa League match against Maccabi Tel Aviv.
That Yakoob twat who is organising the protest is a Brummie Red. Get our shirt off your back and stop using it and us as a vehicle to peddle your nonsense.
Yakoob really is an arsehole who uses marginally or even totally dubious methods in all that he touches and is no better than Robinson in exploiting ways to create division. He will no doubt be somewhere around VP on Thursday whipping up a sizeable group of muppets around him but in reality he has no mass support amongst city's muslim community.That Yakoob twat who is organising the protest is a Brummie Red. Get our shirt off your back and stop using it and us as a vehicle to peddle your nonsense.I thought he was one of the SHA Peaky Blinders mob. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrlpe83yn5o
He might be better served focusing on his pending trial for money laundering.
That Yakoob twat who is organising the protest is a Brummie Red. Get our shirt off your back and stop using it and us as a vehicle to peddle your nonsense.
I thought he was one of the SHA Peaky Blinders mob. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrlpe83yn5o
He might be better served focusing on his pending trial for money laundering.
Yakoob really is an arsehole who uses marginally or even totally dubious methods in all that he touches and is no better than Robinson in exploiting ways to create division. He will no doubt be somewhere around VP on Thursday whipping up a sizeable group of muppets around him but in reality he has no mass support amongst city's muslim community.
Really not sure I can be arsed with this now, gonna be a shitshow.
Yakoob really is an arsehole who uses marginally or even totally dubious methods in all that he touches and is no better than Robinson in exploiting ways to create division. He will no doubt be somewhere around VP on Thursday whipping up a sizeable group of muppets around him but in reality he has no mass support amongst city's muslim community.That Yakoob twat who is organising the protest is a Brummie Red. Get our shirt off your back and stop using it and us as a vehicle to peddle your nonsense.I thought he was one of the SHA Peaky Blinders mob. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrlpe83yn5o
He might be better served focusing on his pending trial for money laundering.
Yes over 12000 votes in a relatively small constituency is an alarming amount of support.Yakoob really is an arsehole who uses marginally or even totally dubious methods in all that he touches and is no better than Robinson in exploiting ways to create division. He will no doubt be somewhere around VP on Thursday whipping up a sizeable group of muppets around him but in reality he has no mass support amongst city's muslim community.That Yakoob twat who is organising the protest is a Brummie Red. Get our shirt off your back and stop using it and us as a vehicle to peddle your nonsense.I thought he was one of the SHA Peaky Blinders mob. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrlpe83yn5o
He might be better served focusing on his pending trial for money laundering.
He very alarmingly nearly became my MP. Ran Shabana Mahood concerningly close. I'd prefer him not to use my football club to spread his nonsensical shite.
Looks like there will be ticket checks on approach to the ground.
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supporters attending the fixture on Thursday night, there will be multiple ticket checks on the approach to the stadium.
Please be ready to present your match ticket.
Allow extra time for entry into the stadium.
Yes, almost certainly. The exact location and extent of the protests is what is unclear.
Yes, almost certainly. The exact location and extent of the protests is what is unclear.
Yes, almost certainly. The exact location and extent of the protests is what is unclear.
I wonder how the "multiple ticket checks" are likely to work at a stadium in such a residential area? It's not as if match-going fans are the only people who could have a genuine reason to be wandering the couple of square miles of streets around Villa Park.
Yes, almost certainly. The exact location and extent of the protests is what is unclear.
I wonder how the "multiple ticket checks" are likely to work at a stadium in such a residential area? It's not as if match-going fans are the only people who could have a genuine reason to be wandering the couple of square miles of streets around Villa Park.
I should think VP is one of the easiest grounds in the country to do it at. Just shutting off Witton Lane and Trinity Road.
My concern now is potential disruption to the fixture to achieve the stated aim of some groups to get the match cancelled. What form will this take? I tend to think the right wing arsehole counter protest won't happen in the absence of MTA fans. But this is all guesswork.
Yes, almost certainly. The exact location and extent of the protests is what is unclear.
I wonder how the "multiple ticket checks" are likely to work at a stadium in such a residential area? It's not as if match-going fans are the only people who could have a genuine reason to be wandering the couple of square miles of streets around Villa Park.
I should think VP is one of the easiest grounds in the country to do it at. Just shutting off Witton Lane and Trinity Road.
That creates a cordon, sure - but "multiple ticket checks"? That suggests additional cordons beyond the relatively easy one that you describe, doesn't it?
edit - unless I suppose "multiple" just means two, in which case one as you approach and one as you go in. But that doesn't really do much to keep both bunches of pricks away from the stadium / supporters.
Wonder if WMP are hoping for some pretty atrocious weather from 5pm onwards to dampen the ardour of protestors on either side of the argument.
Nothing like a 2 hour downpour to put people off.
• This decision is based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent
clashes and hate crimes during the Ajax vs Maccabi Tel Aviv match in Amsterdam in 2024.
• The assessed risk remains high if away supporters were to travel to Birmingham.
• It was raised during the meeting that the initial statement issued by the SAG was vague and
open to interpretation, which led to misunderstanding and criticism directed towards the
Muslim community by sections of the media and some politicians.
• Attendees emphasised the need for clearer and more transparent communication from
authorities when such high-profile decisions are made, particularly to ensure public
understanding and community confidence.
Drove past Villa Park earlier and there's been a marked rise in Union and St George's flags on lamposts. Load's more around the stadium too. A load of Palestine flags have been put up on the lamposts on the park side of Trinity Rd. Seems the sabre rattling has begun early.Take them all down and replace them with Villa flags ...
The one meet up for the protests is in Aston Park. Might affect parking at the school.
Drove past Villa Park earlier and there's been a marked rise in Union and St George's flags on lamposts. Load's more around the stadium too. A load of Palestine flags have been put up on the lamposts on the park side of Trinity Rd. Seems the sabre rattling has begun early.
There's loads more today. That's my point.Drove past Villa Park earlier and there's been a marked rise in Union and St George's flags on lamposts. Load's more around the stadium too. A load of Palestine flags have been put up on the lamposts on the park side of Trinity Rd. Seems the sabre rattling has begun early.
Those flags have been up for weeks.
This is the official Police Briefing on the match…
West Midlands Police Briefing – Aston Villa vs Maccabi Tel Aviv (Thursday 6 November, 8:00pm)
Monday 3rd November 2025
1. Overview
• The UEFA Europa League fixture between Aston Villa and Maccabi Tel Aviv will take place at
Villa Park on Thursday 6 November at 8:00pm.
• The Security Advisory Group (SAG) reviewed its original decision regarding the attendance of
Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters and has upheld the ban on away fans.
• This decision is based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent
clashes and hate crimes during the Ajax vs Maccabi Tel Aviv match in Amsterdam in 2024.
• The assessed risk remains high if away supporters were to travel to Birmingham.
• It was raised during the meeting that the initial statement issued by the SAG was vague and
open to interpretation, which led to misunderstanding and criticism directed towards the
Muslim community by sections of the media and some politicians.
• Attendees emphasised the need for clearer and more transparent communication from
authorities when such high-profile decisions are made, particularly to ensure public
understanding and community confidence.
2. Policing Approach
• West Midlands Police (WMP) reiterated their commitment to fair, balanced and impartial
policing, ensuring both the right to protest and the safety of the public.
• WMP has extensive experience managing high-risk football fixtures and large-scale public
events, though this match presents unique challenges.
• A major policing operation will be in place, with over 700 officers deployed.
• A visible police presence will also be maintained throughout the day in and around the Aston
area ahead of the match.
3. Protest Activity
• Police are anticipating five separate protest groups in Birmingham on the day of the match:
• Three pro-Palestine groups
• Two pro-Israel / pro–Maccabi Tel Aviv counter-protest groups
• Four of these groups have been in liaison with WMP.
• While pro-Palestine demonstrations in the region have historically been well-organised and
peaceful, this will be the first occasion involving active counter-protests.
• Although Tommy Robinson has confirmed he will not attend and there is no current
intelligence of far-right mobilisation, police are prepared for this contingency.
4. Match Day Operations
• Villa Park is expected to be at near full capacity (approx. 40,000 attendees), adding to the
usual match-day congestion.
• Those without an essential reason to be in the area are advised to avoid the vicinity to
support public safety and police operations.
• Officers will be drawn from across the country; not all will be local to Birmingham. Staff and
residents are asked to be patient and cooperate with officers, who may be directed to
restrict access points or control movement due to protests or safety measures.
5. Police Powers and Measures
• A Section 60 search authority is likely to be implemented, allowing officers to stop and
search individuals within a defined area and timeframe.
• Under these powers, individuals may also be required to remove face coverings.
• There are no plans to deploy live facial recognition technology during this operation.
• Traffic restrictions are expected to begin from 6:00pm onwards, though earlier closures may
be introduced if large groups gather or incidents occur requiring emergency measures.
6. Oversight and Communication
• Independent observers will be present in the control room to monitor and ensure fair,
proportionate policing.
• All observations and feedback will be shared with their respective communities and directly
with WMP.
• To help counter misinformation, WMP will establish a direct line of communication with
selected community representatives to share verified updates quickly and directly.
7. Key Messages
• West Midlands Police remain focused on maintaining public safety, community confidence,
and operational fairness.
• The cooperation of local communities, partners and event stakeholders is essential to ensure
a safe and peaceful event.
The police reckon 40,000.
Someone is going to be wrong.
The police reckon 40,000.It'll be the Police, unless WMP buy all the unsold tickets...
Someone is going to be wrong.
The police reckon 40,000.
Someone is going to be wrong.
If the crowd is 40k or above, I'll buy you a pint every day for the rest of the season.
Wonder if WMP are hoping for some pretty atrocious weather from 5pm onwards to dampen the ardour of protestors on either side of the argument.
Nothing like a 2 hour downpour to put people off.
Saw it on some show, the cops call the welcome dampening of spirits from bad weather as "PC Rain"...
Fair enough mate.Personally I wish they would all piss off with their flags. The only flags I want to see waving from the lamposts around Villa Park are Villa ones.
Fair enough mate.Personally I wish they would all piss off with their flags. The only flags I want to see waving from the lamposts around Villa Park are Villa ones.
Wonder if WMP are hoping for some pretty atrocious weather from 5pm onwards to dampen the ardour of protestors on either side of the argument.
Nothing like a 2 hour downpour to put people off.
Saw it on some show, the cops call the welcome dampening of spirits from bad weather as "PC Rain"...
"The best copper in the world."
Yes I wasn't suggesting that Villa cut our nose off to spite our faces and hand the twats three points for free.
Don't see why this shouldn't be considered in all honesty. If it's as important an issue as we all apparently seem to think it is, the club should boycott the game entirely and damn the points.
That's a great big fat NO. We shouldn't even be in this position in the first place. Why are we even playing against a team from the middle east in a European competition? Especially a team from a country that has just committed genocide however much some people think it was justified ?Yes I wasn't suggesting that Villa cut our nose off to spite our faces and hand the twats three points for free.
Don't see why this shouldn't be considered in all honesty. If it's as important an issue as we all apparently seem to think it is, the club should boycott the game entirely and damn the points.
Yeah, no.
Hopefully it’s all much ado about nothing and the build up/match will go ahead with no incidents.I don't think the owners became Billionaires by making knee jerk decisions.
If it does, I wonder how much the owners will be looking at it and thinking to move to a more ‘attractive’ location for visitors and the image of the club? Just a thought.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn0gkjwle8po
Yet more BBC bias?
If you're watching on the telly, I'll be the bloke sitting all on his own in the North Stand Upper, surrounded by empty seats. Feel free to give me a wave.Me and my lad will keep you company in the North Stand, planning on getting in early if I can to try and avoid any nonsense outside
I was wondering that, doesn’t seem to be reporting anything more than the facts.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn0gkjwle8po
Yet more BBC bias?
What bias do you think there is?
Sadly decided not to go to this, despite having a ticket.
I don't normally mind going solo to Villa games but not with the potential for trouble that this one has thrown up, a lot of it stirred by the PM, the opposition and numerous knobheads on social media.
Thank you, but my mind is made up now.Sadly decided not to go to this, despite having a ticket.
I don't normally mind going solo to Villa games but not with the potential for trouble that this one has thrown up, a lot of it stirred by the PM, the opposition and numerous knobheads on social media.
Happy to walk with you if that would help?
There are loads of posts on SM like thisC.unts.
https://x.com/OurFightUk/status/1984771648986206323
If he was the idiot from Oxford with the song, he can stay there.
Thank you, but my mind is made up now.Sadly decided not to go to this, despite having a ticket.
I don't normally mind going solo to Villa games but not with the potential for trouble that this one has thrown up, a lot of it stirred by the PM, the opposition and numerous knobheads on social media.
Happy to walk with you if that would help?
For those that are going, I'll keep everything crossed nothing happens.
That BBC article above, it mentions a no-fly zone. Like, WTF?
And so say all of us, BV.If he was the idiot from Oxford with the song, he can stay there.
I think he was German, and was subsequently kicked out of the university.
They can all stay away, whatever side they're on.
I mentioned the no-fly zone in another post.I'd have expected a no-fly zone for drones at all games, to be fair.
It is for drones and covers a one mile radius.
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And here come the puns. On the dot..
Spot on.
There are loads of posts on SM like thisOh the nice cuddly inclusive folks of OUR FIGHT UK.
https://x.com/OurFightUk/status/1984771648986206323
Thank you, but my mind is made up now.Sadly decided not to go to this, despite having a ticket.
I don't normally mind going solo to Villa games but not with the potential for trouble that this one has thrown up, a lot of it stirred by the PM, the opposition and numerous knobheads on social media.
Happy to walk with you if that would help?
For those that are going, I'll keep everything crossed nothing happens.
That BBC article above, it mentions a no-fly zone. Like, WTF?
From requests for rivers to RIP, all the posts should be caps free.Wonderful
I DON'T THINK IT'S A SHAMEFUL STATE OF AFFAIRS. CHRIS HAS MADE A PERSONAL DECISION. THERE WILL BE A PROTEST AROUND THE GROUND AS IT SHOULD BE BUT IT WILL BE FINE. NO WORRIES.
(just looked up to see cap lock but honestly I am not shouting just too lazy to correct it)
Birmingham City Council saying it has no idea of how many schools are shutting early sums up them being a complete shower of shit.Why? These things are left to the Head teacher make a decision based on prevailing local conditions.
Everyone perceives situations differently and that’s ok, so say it’s shameful overall is irrational IMHO.
Is it not the case that if they come under local authority control they would have to inform them anymore?Birmingham City Council saying it has no idea of how many schools are shutting early sums up them being a complete shower of shit.Why? These things are left to the Head teacher make a decision based on prevailing local conditions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c781xdjn0qwo
Birmingham City Council saying it has no idea of how many schools are shutting early sums up them being a complete shower of shit.
Someone tells me this morning there is footage of trouble in town last night with people, fireworks and police struggling to deal with it ?
I don’t use X anymore so has anyone else seen this and is it any way related to tonight or dickheads who don’t know how to enjoy a national event (bonfire night) without being ****** ?
Four teenagers have been arrested after police and members of the public were attacked with fireworks in Birmingham.
The arrests - on suspicion of violent disorder - were made in the Dale End area on Wednesday evening, West Midlands Police said.
The force seized weapons and fireworks as it deployed Section 60 powers to stop and search people.
It said disorder involving young people saw fireworks released in a dangerous manner, but nobody had been seriously hurt.
On Wednesday, police said the Section 60 provision would remain in place until 06:00 GMT on Thursday, allowing officers during the period to stop and search people without the need to have reasonable grounds to do so.
This power was "exercised to safeguard the community from this dangerous behaviour", the force added.
Insp Matthew Minton said of operations on Wednesday: "We had robust plans in place [on 5 November] to respond to any Bonfire Night disorder.
"Behaviour like what we have seen this evening simply won't be tolerated."
Someone tells me this morning there is footage of trouble in town last night with people, fireworks and police struggling to deal with it ?
I don’t use X anymore so has anyone else seen this and is it any way related to tonight or dickheads who don’t know how to enjoy a national event (bonfire night) without being ****** ?
Welcome to my world.Everyone perceives situations differently and that’s ok, so say it’s shameful overall is irrational IMHO.How would you describe a situation where Villa fans, many of who have paid for a ticket for the match, feel they can't go to a game at Villa Park because of concerns for their own safety?
Where do they even plan to protest around Villa Park? If police have ticket checks around Aston Church and before the large area with the club shop/ticket office/North Stand car park I don't see where there's a big enough space for a protest of significant scale to occur. I've seen Trinity Road mentioned, but surely police will have ticket checks on that side of the ground and then it just immediately becomes residential areas.
The local MP recorded a video encouraging "local youth" to gather at Aston pavilion.He's a total ******.
Some pro-Israel mob say they're marching with a police escort to Witton Lane and protesting there until 7.30.
Where's that?Where do they even plan to protest around Villa Park? If police have ticket checks around Aston Church and before the large area with the club shop/ticket office/North Stand car park I don't see where there's a big enough space for a protest of significant scale to occur. I've seen Trinity Road mentioned, but surely police will have ticket checks on that side of the ground and then it just immediately becomes residential areas.
The local MP recorded a video encouraging "local youth" to gather at Aston pavilion.
Where's that?Where do they even plan to protest around Villa Park? If police have ticket checks around Aston Church and before the large area with the club shop/ticket office/North Stand car park I don't see where there's a big enough space for a protest of significant scale to occur. I've seen Trinity Road mentioned, but surely police will have ticket checks on that side of the ground and then it just immediately becomes residential areas.
The local MP recorded a video encouraging "local youth" to gather at Aston pavilion.
Where's that?Where do they even plan to protest around Villa Park? If police have ticket checks around Aston Church and before the large area with the club shop/ticket office/North Stand car park I don't see where there's a big enough space for a protest of significant scale to occur. I've seen Trinity Road mentioned, but surely police will have ticket checks on that side of the ground and then it just immediately becomes residential areas.
The local MP recorded a video encouraging "local youth" to gather at Aston pavilion.
On the grounds of Aston Hall
https://www.astonpavilion.com/
The local MP recorded a video encouraging "local youth" to gather at Aston pavilion.
Where's that?
On the grounds of Aston Hall
https://www.astonpavilion.com/
Its always been a bit ropey down the Dale End area, especially after school closes. Fucking idiots.
Where's that?Where do they even plan to protest around Villa Park? If police have ticket checks around Aston Church and before the large area with the club shop/ticket office/North Stand car park I don't see where there's a big enough space for a protest of significant scale to occur. I've seen Trinity Road mentioned, but surely police will have ticket checks on that side of the ground and then it just immediately becomes residential areas.
The local MP recorded a video encouraging "local youth" to gather at Aston pavilion.
On the grounds of Aston Hall
https://www.astonpavilion.com/
Nobody is free until Palestine is free. MTA and all Israeli teams should have been banned and in the absence of a spine from UEFA or our Government, Aston Villa should have shown solidarity with Palestinians as part of BDS movement.
The protests are legitimate and should take place as an Israeli team is visiting is closely associated with the that country's flag. I hope both sides do so in peace and do not obstruct us ordinary fans to do what we want to do, watch a football match. I am looking forward to it and will make my way into the stadium regardless of whoever I have to walk past/through and whatever is required from me by police and stewards....UTV.
It's a big enough shit show with no Maccabi fans, it would have been far worse if they were at the game.
The protests are legitimate and should take place as an Israeli team is visiting is closely associated with the that country's flag. I hope both sides do so in peace and do not obstruct us ordinary fans to do what we want to do, watch a football match. I am looking forward to it and will make my way into the stadium regardless of whoever I have to walk past/through and whatever is required from me by police and stewards....UTV.
Not really.
They said it was about Maccabi fans specifically, then when they got what they wanted and their fans are no longer coming, they moved the goalposts to something else.
Once Maccabi refused their allocation it should have ended there. Anything after shows the initial uproar was not legitimate.
Wish all the activists, tub thumpers, Dave Sparts and poujadistes would just give it a rest now!
Ironic really that different religions are turning up to protest outside the stadium where God played his best football between 1989 and 1995.....
Wish all the activists, tub thumpers, Dave Sparts and poujadistes would just give it a rest now!The media cannot wait for things to ignite.
The game takes second place for one night only sadly.
Agree, its a game of football and to be frank, unless you've done the appropriate research into that area of the world and why certain things will never happen (or be allowed to), its probably best leaving your views to yourself whilst hoping that only a game of football happens tonight and that the club doesn't get sucked into an almighty shit show that a lot of the media are praying for.
Just so I don't get into trouble, is the left side of the Holte Taqiyah or Kippah?
Wish all the activists, tub thumpers, Dave Sparts and poujadistes would just give it a rest now!
Agree, its a game of football and to be frank, unless you've done the appropriate research into that area of the world and why certain things will never happen (or be allowed to), its probably best leaving your views to yourself whilst hoping that only a game of football happens tonight and that the club doesn't get sucked into an almighty shit show that a lot of the media are praying for.
Just so I don't get into trouble, is the left side of the Holte Taqiyah or Kippah?
For adjacency to the protest groups as currently proposed the left side of the Holte would be the former and the right side the latter.
For a laugh why not do a half in each?
can’t imagine they will be trading tonight
Just so I don't get into trouble, is the left side of the Holte Taqiyah or Kippah?
For adjacency to the protest groups as currently proposed the left side of the Holte would be the former and the right side the latter.
For a laugh why not do a half in each?
Half and half religious headwear could be the way to go.
can’t imagine they will be trading tonight
They better be, i'll need my Burger fix after walking through all the supposed shit that is being talked about
I wonder how many of the demonstrators were out demonstrating when Hamas butchered 1200 innocents. Just a thought.
It isLooking at the route and based on the flight going into EMA yesterday, I wonder if it was following the team bus?
(https://i.ibb.co/mCrp36j0/IMG-2224.png) (https://ibb.co/mCrp36j0)
Just over Witton Lakes walking the dog ,.There’s a light aircraft continually circling over the Villa ground. I wonder if that’s a Police plane?Not sure how many helicopters WMP have, but I'd imagine all of them will be busy tonight.
Just over Witton Lakes walking the dog ,.There’s a light aircraft continually circling over the Villa ground. I wonder if that’s a Police plane?Not sure how many helicopters WMP have, but I'd imagine all of them will be busy tonight.
What it's like around the ground. As it's still live you'll have to scroll back to the start to see all of itBlimey, stay safe everyone. Not a game to take the old man/kids/Mrs to...
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1MYGNlYmPEzxw
Just so I don't get into trouble, is the left side of the Holte Taqiyah or Kippah?
Looks a bit scary round the ground: snipers on rooftops! All we need now is Tommy Robinson's lot to pop up...
Looks a bit scary round the ground: snipers on rooftops! All we need now is Tommy Robinson's lot to pop up...
:DLooks a bit scary round the ground: snipers on rooftops! All we need now is Tommy Robinson's lot to pop up...
Ooh, I hope that gives the snipers something to do!
Just so I don't get into trouble, is the left side of the Holte Taqiyah or Kippah?
Pretty sure Kippahxvilla is right side, so it's the former.
Has his battery run out?
Several live streams on YouTube now
https://www.youtube.com/live/aVkW4VEP2cE?si=VqLPcC1UGmaOd1JM
Bob copped a slap earlier.
Just so I don't get into trouble, is the left side of the Holte Taqiyah or Kippah?
Pretty sure Kippahxvilla is right side, so it's the former.
I remember when Foster Brothers were in Dale End. Bought some clobba from there in my youth on a Saturday afternoon followed by McDonalds and bus home.Its always been a bit ropey down the Dale End area, especially after school closes. Fucking idiots.
Total shithole nowadays - a tactical nuclear weapon wouldn't go amiss. Although I may be biased as it is where I slipped after the Soton game last year and broke my ribs just in time for Christmas.
Assume Starmer, Nandy et al will be apologising for the disinformation they have spread about Brummies and Muslims, generally.
https://news.sky.com/story/significant-hooliganism-within-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-base-is-reason-for-aston-villa-match-ban-13465257
So is it a cauldron of hate? Is it a tinderbox? Are there potential condiment flashpoints?
Anyone know how Bob is?The builder..
Just walked from Aston station and it’s as quiet as a mouse, almost nothing going on. Nothing in park.
Twat-Face's mob is tiny.In numbers or height?
Just walked from Aston station and it’s as quiet as a mouse, almost nothing going on. Nothing in park.
I feared the worst but it’s not Rangers 1976 just yet is it
Police seem to have done a very good job so far.
Police seem to have done a very good job so far.
They can't win though - if everything passes without a hitch, tomorrow will be "SEE! There was no reason not to let the Maccabi fans come to the match you massive bunch of antisemites!"
So is it a cauldron of hate? Is it a tinderbox? Are there potential condiment flashpoints?
Thankfully looks pretty quiet, if the BBC News coverage is anything to go by. A paltry turnout of a few hundred protestors waving their newly-supplied flags, and a lone Socialist Worker twat with his 'From the River to the Sea" sign.
I don't suppose the Socialist Worker opined on where the displaced Israelis were going to live once the land had been cleansed. No I thought not. Neither has he.
Lots of cockney blokes with cameras high fiving each other by Holte
So is it a cauldron of hate? Is it a tinderbox? Are there potential condiment flashpoints?
Thankfully looks pretty quiet, if the BBC News coverage is anything to go by. A paltry turnout of a few hundred protestors waving their newly-supplied flags, and a lone Socialist Worker twat with his 'From the River to the Sea" sign.
Central News were bigging it up. One girl with an Israeli flag on Trinity side collard and marched off by the police I assume to the other side of the ground.
I don't suppose the Socialist Worker opined on where the displaced Israelis were going to live once the land had been cleansed. No I thought not. Neither has he.
Still all quiet around VP
Still all quiet around VP
Good. Hope you all in attendance enjoy the match.
So pro Israel and some Robinson types in park behind Witton lane now but behind a fence. So police or possibly demonstrators th insoles have placed each other with side of ground and unlikely to meetPark?
They can f right off, don't want that shit near our groundLots of cockney blokes with cameras high fiving each other by Holte
All part of the far right scum that worship everything from 'Tommy'. Just watched a group of them broadcasting live via Youtube. Sad c*nts.
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By allowing who can attend this Europa League match to be dictated by a political view is a disgrace..!
@premierleague If the same MPs decide they want the same to happen when @SpursOfficial visit Villa Park… Will their fans be banned also??
Ex Professional Footballer, scorer of WBA’s last goal of the 20th Century
Ex-Albion player spreads his words of wisdomQuoteDaryl Burgess@totalfooty
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By allowing who can attend this Europa League match to be dictated by a political view is a disgrace..!
@premierleague If the same MPs decide they want the same to happen when @SpursOfficial visit Villa Park… Will their fans be banned also??
Ex-Albion player spreads his words of wisdomQuoteDaryl Burgess@totalfooty
@UEFAcom @AVFCOfficial @WMPolice 🤡
By allowing who can attend this Europa League match to be dictated by a political view is a disgrace..!
@premierleague If the same MPs decide they want the same to happen when @SpursOfficial visit Villa Park… Will their fans be banned also??
Ex-Albion player spreads his words of wisdomThe fact he once signed for the Albion tells you he ain't bright.QuoteDaryl Burgess@totalfooty
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By allowing who can attend this Europa League match to be dictated by a political view is a disgrace..!
@premierleague If the same MPs decide they want the same to happen when @SpursOfficial visit Villa Park… Will their fans be banned also??
Mind you, Burgess has a contendor for shittest ever claim to fame in his bioQuoteEx Professional Footballer, scorer of WBA’s last goal of the 20th Century
Watching Sky News, it looks like the've let the pro-Palestinian twats too near to the ground. Villa fans trying to get in being pushed back, and becoming frustrated as a result.And I heard those without a ticket will get nowhere near the stadium.
Watching Sky News, it looks like the've let the pro-Palestinian twats too near to the ground. Villa fans trying to get in being pushed back, and becoming frustrated as a result.And I heard those without a ticket will get nowhere near the stadium.
Mind you, Burgess has a contendor for shittest ever claim to fame in his bioProblem is it was in 1998QuoteEx Professional Footballer, scorer of WBA’s last goal of the 20th Century
Port Vale won the Sherpa Van or whatever it was called that season. Took a good number to that one but very few to the play-off final.
ah you did it betterMind you, Burgess has a contendor for shittest ever claim to fame in his bioQuoteEx Professional Footballer, scorer of WBA’s last goal of the 20th Century
‘…scored on the 27th August 1993…’
Really feel for Aston Villa. A great and welcoming football club dragged into a tension not of their making, dragged into local politics, national politics and international geo-politics. Club have handled a sensitive situation as well as possible.
Henry Winter on X:QuoteReally feel for Aston Villa. A great and welcoming football club dragged into a tension not of their making, dragged into local politics, national politics and international geo-politics. Club have handled a sensitive situation as well as possible.
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By allowing who can attend this Europa League match to be dictated by a political view is a disgrace..!
@premierleague If the same MPs decide they want the same to happen when @SpursOfficial visit Villa Park… Will their fans be banned also??
Port Vale won the Sherpa Van or whatever it was called that season. Took a good number to that one but very few to the play-off final.
I could probably name more Albion players from that team than I can now as well, which says a bit about them currently.
You just know the YouTubers will make it out to be an Islamic hellhole with cowed police.
I like the fact they have a GP as there physio
He’s a bluenose.
You just know the YouTubers will make it out to be an Islamic hellhole with cowed police.
Tonight has not helped the case for the club to stay in the Aston area.
Tonight has not helped the case for the club to stay in the Aston area.
Tonight has not helped the case for the club to stay in the Aston area.
Tonight has not helped the case for the club to stay in the Aston area.
I didn't see any hint of trouble, other than about twenty odd police legging it down Trinity Road. Got talking to a couple of coppers who were happy with how it had gone. The protest in front of the Trinity was noisy more than anything.The coppers I saw felt more like autograph signers with the fans than the old school days of fighting the police. They have an easy job at football now.
I like the fact they have a GP as there physio
Ha, I saw him. Best dressed physio around!
Tonight has not helped the case for the club to stay in the Aston area.For fuck sake what an awful comment. Care to explain?
I like the fact they have a GP as there physio
Ha, I saw him. Best dressed physio around!
More GQ than GP.
Can we play them every week…traffic was a delight, back in the shires by 10 to 11
The winners tonight……Aston Villa FC and the Villa fans, but of course that will get no coverage.Mostly agree with you but there were some twats who had a go at Anti-Israel protesters for no reason other than colour of their skin.
Impeccable behaviour from everyone in attendance, both inside and outside of the ground.
Can we play them every week…traffic was a delight, back in the shires by 10 to 11
I got back to Quinton by 10:45. what fucking petrol you using ;D
All due respect, give it a rest. There were many missing Villa fans around me tonight due to the worries. Call me selfish, racist, a bigot whatever, but I care more for those people than anyone else.The winners tonight……Aston Villa FC and the Villa fans, but of course that will get no coverage.Mostly agree with you but there were some twats who had a go at Anti-Israel protesters for no reason other than colour of their skin.
Impeccable behaviour from everyone in attendance, both inside and outside of the ground.
I didn't see any hint of trouble, other than about twenty odd police legging it down Trinity Road. Got talking to a couple of coppers who were happy with how it had gone. The protest in front of the Trinity was noisy more than anything.Kicked off just before kick off when a few kids/youths ran down from the park onto Trinity Road but the police presence stopped it escalating.
Glad to see it was largely uneventful aside from the usual useful idiot left-wing “we’re on the same side…no we’re not” scruffs and Islamists making it reminiscent of the weekly hate marches in the capital.
No riot gear was an interesting choice by WMP. I wonder, if like Staffs, they told the locals to discard their weapons in the mosque ?
Again, it appears the fabled far-right were notable by their absence.
Glad to see it was largely uneventful aside from the usual useful idiot left-wing “we’re on the same side…no we’re not” scruffs and Islamists making it reminiscent of the weekly hate marches in the capital.What the actual fuck is this drivel ?
No riot gear was an interesting choice by WMP. I wonder, if like Staffs, they told the locals to discard their weapons in the mosque ?
Again, it appears the fabled far-right were notable by their absence.
Glad to see it was largely uneventful aside from the usual useful idiot left-wing “we’re on the same side…no we’re not” scruffs and Islamists making it reminiscent of the weekly hate marches in the capital.
No riot gear was an interesting choice by WMP. I wonder, if like Staffs, they told the locals to discard their weapons in the mosque ?
Again, it appears the fabled far-right were notable by their absence.
Glad to see it was largely uneventful aside from the usual useful idiot left-wing “we’re on the same side…no we’re not” scruffs and Islamists making it reminiscent of the weekly hate marches in the capital.
No riot gear was an interesting choice by WMP. I wonder, if like Staffs, they told the locals to discard their weapons in the mosque ?
Again, it appears the fabled far-right were notable by their absence.
Well you can have a go at me if you like because I posted a couple of times thinking there would be a lot more trouble than there was last night so I probably fit into the doomonger category
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Police arrested six people before the match started, three on suspicion of racially-aggravated public order offences.
From the Beeb
I believe 2 were also for not listening to police (1 a YouTuber) and 1 for public disorder.
It does look cage like (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Trinity+Rd,+Birmingham/@52.5099729,-1.8845378,3a,42y,2.11h,79.33t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sh7TxIVPG3MtumFI_lFVBAQ!2e0!5s20230601T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D10.673971230217361%26panoid%3Dh7TxIVPG3MtumFI_lFVBAQ%26yaw%3D2.1090622783575492!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x4870bcafa4ba0bf3:0x193d3ef13ac7db0a!8m2!3d52.5081744!4d-1.8925432!16s%2Fg%2F1w8w9g70?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTEwNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D) if they were in the sports court.30 to 40 is being quite generous I think. Looked more like 10 to 15 to me. They weren’t in the ball pen. They were further down Witton lane just inside the entrance gate which was open. They were just stood silently holing up an Israeli flag and 1 placard. At least that’s all I could see. I must admit it was only a casual glance as I walked by I happened to see them by accident rather than my attention being drawn to them by any rowdiness or over policing.
TBH that was where I expected them to be when it was first mentioned they were "in the park on Witton Road".
It does look cage like (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Trinity+Rd,+Birmingham/@52.5099729,-1.8845378,3a,42y,2.11h,79.33t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sh7TxIVPG3MtumFI_lFVBAQ!2e0!5s20230601T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D10.673971230217361%26panoid%3Dh7TxIVPG3MtumFI_lFVBAQ%26yaw%3D2.1090622783575492!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x4870bcafa4ba0bf3:0x193d3ef13ac7db0a!8m2!3d52.5081744!4d-1.8925432!16s%2Fg%2F1w8w9g70?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTEwNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D) if they were in the sports court.
Most reports had the Pro-palestine protestors shouting "Free Palestine" and I suppose mention of the genocide. And an eyewitness from here mentioned some Villa fans shouting at them because of the colour of their skin.
What were the blatently anti-semitic statements you heard?
It does look cage like (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Trinity+Rd,+Birmingham/@52.5099729,-1.8845378,3a,42y,2.11h,79.33t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sh7TxIVPG3MtumFI_lFVBAQ!2e0!5s20230601T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D10.673971230217361%26panoid%3Dh7TxIVPG3MtumFI_lFVBAQ%26yaw%3D2.1090622783575492!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x4870bcafa4ba0bf3:0x193d3ef13ac7db0a!8m2!3d52.5081744!4d-1.8925432!16s%2Fg%2F1w8w9g70?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTEwNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D) if they were in the sports court.
I've watched away games more cage like. The Old Dell, top corner of the side terrace at Maine Road.
@Mods: Any chance we can close this thread for good because I for one have had enough of this shit. Let's get back to something we're good at. Arguing over the Villa.
Most reports had the Pro-palestine protestors shouting "Free Palestine" and I suppose mention of the genocide. And an eyewitness from here mentioned some Villa fans shouting at them because of the colour of their skin.
What were the blatently anti-semitic statements you heard?
I heard the "River to the Sea" chant as I walked past them, which as far as I can make out is a call for a genocide from people who are protesting about what they claim is one that is currently happening. Also, the signs that were up on lamp posts on the way to the ground said something like "Zionists not welcome here". As it was an Israeli team that we were playing last night, was that suggesting that all Israelis are Zionists and isn't that a kind of generalisation and stereotyping (ie. they are from Israel, so automatically Zionists and aren't welcome here)?
That's quite a difficult one. I would have read it as specifically meaning 'Zionists' as opposed to Israelis or Jews in general
The media and 'citizen journalists' were desperate for it all to kick off. Even this morning, their footage tried to frame everything as 'chaos' and 'carnage'. How about trying to give Plod a bit of credit for once?
That's quite a difficult one. I would have read it as specifically meaning 'Zionists' as opposed to Israelis or Jews in general
A Zionist is someone who supports the existence of a Jewish state, i.e Israel.
While I expect that there may well be some who aren't, most Israelis are inevitably going to be in favour of their country existing.
The media and 'citizen journalists' were desperate for it all to kick off. Even this morning, their footage tried to frame everything as 'chaos' and 'carnage'. How about trying to give Plod a bit of credit for once?
Yep, and some reports of Villa fans singing for Yaxley-Lennon, when it was a small group who were obvs far-right who turned up.
The media and 'citizen journalists' were desperate for it all to kick off. Even this morning, their footage tried to frame everything as 'chaos' and 'carnage'. How about trying to give Plod a bit of credit for once?
Yep, and some reports of Villa fans singing for Yaxley-Lennon, when it was a small group who were obvs far-right who turned up.
Far Right - really? Or just some morons that act like sheep around others?
I agree that both Villa and the Police were put into a very difficult and potentially harmful position by useless politicians who only see issues like this as currency and deserve a lot of respect on how they conducted themselves.
Its just a shame that, even though it was a crap game, that the media had made this to be a battle ground and that scared a lot of fans, especially with children, off attending.
If we seemingly cannot trust the BBC to not be biased what chance do we have with lesser media outfits and the "look at me" content creators on socials
Tousi TV first called it a Jew cage on his live stream and the saying stuck like that stuff you get from screwfix straight away with the other 'news' outlets
The Massey Ferguson 125 and cheap diesel.Can we play them every week…traffic was a delight, back in the shires by 10 to 11
I got back to Quinton by 10:45. what fucking petrol you using ;D
I was genuinely amazed hearing other fans (admittedly lower league) talking about their fans singing in praise of Tommy Robinson. Never heard at the Villa or a couple of aways this season and please I hope I never do.
I was genuinely amazed hearing other fans (admittedly lower league) talking about their fans singing in praise of Tommy Robinson. Never heard at the Villa or a couple of aways this season and please I hope I never do.
There was a bit last night sadly.
I was genuinely amazed hearing other fans (admittedly lower league) talking about their fans singing in praise of Tommy Robinson. Never heard at the Villa or a couple of aways this season and please I hope I never do.
There was a bit last night sadly.
Outside the ground though? So I can pretend it's non Villa fans?
I was genuinely amazed hearing other fans (admittedly lower league) talking about their fans singing in praise of Tommy Robinson. Never heard at the Villa or a couple of aways this season and please I hope I never do.
There was a bit last night sadly.
In the Holte Concourse I overheard a group of 20 somethings discussing how they’d given the verbals to the pro Palestine protesters. It saddened me to think some of our fans are that way inclined.
Before the kick off the bloke who sits a few rows in front of me was roundly applauding & cheering the Maccabi team sheet as their names were being read out.
A 60 year + bald headed Tommy fanboy if ever I saw one.
The same bloke who's frothing at the mouth at the hint of an away fan in the boxes behind us.
I hope all those people and you’re safe and well.All due respect, give it a rest. There were many missing Villa fans around me tonight due to the worries. Call me selfish, racist, a bigot whatever, but I care more for those people than anyone else.The winners tonight……Aston Villa FC and the Villa fans, but of course that will get no coverage.Mostly agree with you but there were some twats who had a go at Anti-Israel protesters for no reason other than colour of their skin.
Impeccable behaviour from everyone in attendance, both inside and outside of the ground.
I hope all those people and you’re safe and well.All due respect, give it a rest. There were many missing Villa fans around me tonight due to the worries. Call me selfish, racist, a bigot whatever, but I care more for those people than anyone else.The winners tonight……Aston Villa FC and the Villa fans, but of course that will get no coverage.Mostly agree with you but there were some twats who had a go at Anti-Israel protesters for no reason other than colour of their skin.
Impeccable behaviour from everyone in attendance, both inside and outside of the ground.
As I was interested I asked an AI tool how much Villa are like to have lost due to the reduced crowd and no away fans the other night and got this answer.
'Aston Villa likely lost between £250,000–£500,000 in ticket revenue from the Maccabi Tel Aviv game, once you factor in both away fans being banned and home fans staying away due to safety fears.'
Glad to see it was largely uneventful aside from the usual useful idiot left-wing “we’re on the same side…no we’re not” scruffs and Islamists making it reminiscent of the weekly hate marches in the capital.
No riot gear was an interesting choice by WMP. I wonder, if like Staffs, they told the locals to discard their weapons in the mosque ?
Again, it appears the fabled far-right were notable by their absence.
You were obviously on the wrong side of the ground for your tastes then.
Glad to see it was largely uneventful aside from the usual useful idiot left-wing “we’re on the same side…no we’re not” scruffs and Islamists making it reminiscent of the weekly hate marches in the capital.
No riot gear was an interesting choice by WMP. I wonder, if like Staffs, they told the locals to discard their weapons in the mosque ?
Again, it appears the fabled far-right were notable by their absence.
Sadly not from this thread.
Glad to see it was largely uneventful aside from the usual useful idiot left-wing “we’re on the same side…no we’re not” scruffs and Islamists making it reminiscent of the weekly hate marches in the capital.
No riot gear was an interesting choice by WMP. I wonder, if like Staffs, they told the locals to discard their weapons in the mosque ?
Again, it appears the fabled far-right were notable by their absence.
You were obviously on the wrong side of the ground for your tastes then.
Oh of course they exist and my fabled comment was a bit of a humorous shot across the bows - but certainly not to any extent to be particularly concerned by them.
When they start committing atrocities like those seen at Manchester Arena, on Westminster Bridge, London Bridge, 7/7, David Amess, Reading, Nice, Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, raping children en masse whilst the authorities turn a blind eye, singing genocidal chants outside Villa Park etc etc etc., that’ll probably be the time to give them as much oxygen as they currently receive on this forum from the platitude-repeating easily-led.Glad to see it was largely uneventful aside from the usual useful idiot left-wing “we’re on the same side…no we’re not” scruffs and Islamists making it reminiscent of the weekly hate marches in the capital.
No riot gear was an interesting choice by WMP. I wonder, if like Staffs, they told the locals to discard their weapons in the mosque ?
Again, it appears the fabled far-right were notable by their absence.
Sadly not from this thread.
They were certainly prevalent in that recent 20+ page Jew-bashing binfire of a thread
Glad to see it was largely uneventful aside from the usual useful idiot left-wing “we’re on the same side…no we’re not” scruffs and Islamists making it reminiscent of the weekly hate marches in the capital.
No riot gear was an interesting choice by WMP. I wonder, if like Staffs, they told the locals to discard their weapons in the mosque ?
Again, it appears the fabled far-right were notable by their absence.
You were obviously on the wrong side of the ground for your tastes then.
Oh of course they exist and my fabled comment was a bit of a humorous shot across the bows - but certainly not to any extent to be particularly concerned by them.
When they start committing atrocities like those seen at Manchester Arena, on Westminster Bridge, London Bridge, 7/7, David Amess, Reading, Nice, Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, raping children en masse whilst the authorities turn a blind eye, singing genocidal chants outside Villa Park etc etc etc., that’ll probably be the time to give them as much oxygen as they currently receive on this forum from the platitude-repeating easily-led.Glad to see it was largely uneventful aside from the usual useful idiot left-wing “we’re on the same side…no we’re not” scruffs and Islamists making it reminiscent of the weekly hate marches in the capital.
No riot gear was an interesting choice by WMP. I wonder, if like Staffs, they told the locals to discard their weapons in the mosque ?
Again, it appears the fabled far-right were notable by their absence.
Sadly not from this thread.
They were certainly prevalent in that recent 20+ page Jew-bashing binfire of a thread, instigated by a piss-poor error-strewn article.
Probably the most horrendous and damning thread this forum has seen; a forum where the regulars could typically find racism in an empty paper bag…but, naturally, not in that instance.
I found myself recalling the title of David Baddiel’s book on the subject.
I’d have gone, but don’t think we should let nations that the UN have said are committing genocide play games with us or join in our singing competitions.As I was interested I asked an AI tool how much Villa are like to have lost due to the reduced crowd and no away fans the other night and got this answer.
'Aston Villa likely lost between £250,000–£500,000 in ticket revenue from the Maccabi Tel Aviv game, once you factor in both away fans being banned and home fans staying away due to safety fears.'
We might have had another 5,000 there but that's about it. The prices probably put more people off than the protests.
Just when you thought it had all died down...I've just read this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze83gw4w2xo
Just when you thought it had all died down...Difficult to understand why they’ve decided to dredge this up again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze83gw4w2xo
Just when you thought it had all died down...Difficult to understand why they’ve decided to dredge this up again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze83gw4w2xo
Honestly, I’m the biggest supporter of Labour - but a few of their decisions of late have absolutely perplexed me lately.
It's Tory MPs, not Labour.
Home Office minister Sarah Jones said she had written to him asking for clarity.
The Home Office minister is responding to their requests, as is their job.
It's all a bit like 'Police called to investigate kids playing in the street.' It's their job to do what they're asked.Unfortunately the House of Commons is one big school yard.
I stand corrected - only skim-read the article.Just when you thought it had all died down...Difficult to understand why they’ve decided to dredge this up again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze83gw4w2xo
Honestly, I’m the biggest supporter of Labour - but a few of their decisions of late have absolutely perplexed me lately.
Chris Philps and Nick Timothy seem to be the ones dredging this up, in response to shit stirring in the Times. They’re Torys.
Aside from anything to do with MacabiTel Aviv fans it should be taken into account that Chris Philip is the most snivelling piece of shit in any biggest Snivelling piece of shit contest. In fact, all future Snivelling pice of shit contests should be titled The Chris Philip Snivelling piece of shit contest.