Removing Israeli teams from UEFA competitions/Boycotting the Maccabi TA game

[Sexual Ealing]

Zionism?! I'm all for protesting genocide but that looks like...something else.

[cdbearsfan]

Not really. Zionism used to mean thinking Jewish people should be able to live somewhere. It now means that the state of Israel should be able to take over the whole of Palestine. Perfectly acceptable to oppose it, IMO.

[bill]

God, I hate it when politics gets dragged into sport. Enough of this shit. Roll on kick off.

[cdbearsfan]

God, I hate it when politics gets dragged into sport. Enough of this shit. Roll on kick off.

You'll hate it when the IDF deliberately targets and murders players from the Palestine national team, then, yes?

[PeterWithesShin]

Politics has been a big part of sport your entire life.

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Is there a reason we have pro-Hamas iconography on the forum?

[lovejoy]

When has politics not been involved in sport?

[Sexual Ealing]

Not really. Zionism used to mean thinking Jewish people should be able to live somewhere. It now means that the state of Israel should be able to take over the whole of Palestine. Perfectly acceptable to oppose it, IMO.

I think that's a very rigid* interpretation.


*Incorrect.

[cdbearsfan]

Disagree. Israel exists. Zionism achieved its goal. People that still choose to label themselves as Zionists are those that think Palestine and, by extension, Palestinians, shouldn't exist. The world might be a better place when people spend more time worrying about genocide and less time worrying hurting the feelings of its perpetrators, so I'll desist.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

UEFA should move to a position where football teams from genocidal states cannot take part in competitions, it would then mean that there’s no issue for fans to discuss with reference to who is playing who.

As well as any stance against genocide it would be to protect all Villa fans and others who want to watch football in safety and away from hate.

In Amsterdam Maccabi Tel Aviv ‘fans’, which included Israeli soldiers who served in Israel’s Gaza genocide, sang genocidal chants, including ‘Let the IDF win and f*ck the Arabs’ and ‘Why is school out in Gaza? There are no children left there.’ Let those words and the actions that they’re talking about sink in.

Villa Park is a family place, my Grandad, dad, aunt and co used to take me when I was a nipper after popping into the Sacred Heart to catch up with the community. Would you want to take you kids, grandkids, wife or even yourself to spend an evening with these people?

I’m so sad that we’ve got to a position where this even needs debating.

[cdbearsfan]

Yeah, but someone said "Zionists".

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Yeah, but someone said "Zionists".

Your rant to SE would suggest you either don't know what one is or you deliberately distorted the response for polemics. The people slaughtered on 7th Ocotber would have identified as Zionists. They don't match the politics of your description at all.

[IFWaters]

Yeah, but someone said "Zionists".

I think you're a good old fashioned Jew Hater. In the UEFA thread you called Maccabi fans "sub-human filth" and in this one you said ban Israel "murdering scum" or some such bollocks. You try to justify it all by saying that it's not to do with which sky fairy they worship but where were your outraged posts on October 8th when Hamas started it all murdering innocents by stuffing hand grenades into women's vaginas and kidnapping children and the elderly. There is wrong on both sides but if you attack Israel you will get it paid back many times over because you are a country made up of descendents of a genocide that killed 6 million people in the gas chambers.

So I don't give a fuck if this gets me banned cos I'm sick of this place being stuffed full of fucking moronic postings from racist fascist leftie ****** who only ever see one side of the story.

Cdbearsfan you're a Jew hating fascist . I hope you rot in hell with Hitler and all your other brothers in Jew hating arms.

[cdbearsfan]

Maccabi fans that attacked people for being the wrong skin colour are sub-human filth. The state of Israel is run by murdering scum. People have probably been murdered in the time it took me to post this. I couldn't give a toss what religion murdering scum are. I wasn't posting here at all during that October, I don't think.

[Monty]

Disagree (strongly!) with CD's definition of Zionism, but I think calling him a 'Jew-hating fascist' is quite mental.