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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on April 22, 2025, 09:57:49 PM
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Disappointing performance, Unai got it wrong imo. Morgan on too long, Disasi at RB. We were far too passive.
Now we'll find out what we're made of.
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Pep is a fucking clown. Absolute mental patient.
Hope they get the book thrown at them in the summer.
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Got to win our last four games. That should be enough imo.
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Cock Piss Partidge.
Let's do them in the Final
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That's Champions league gone for the season.
I don't think we did a lot wrong, Rogers was dead on his feet.
Disasi isn't a mobile right back so find that sub baffling.
Europa league winners 2026 anybody?
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Disasi man, just wipe him out. That's the problem though if you play for a draw. We had way more in us but I feel our previous record here played a massive part.
Win on Saturday and I couldn't give a fuck about tonight.
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****** off.
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We were shit. Too passive. This particular iteration of City is not good, they are there for the taking of you don't fear them, and we played with too much fear.
Also, if your gameplan is backs to the wall defending, why Torres? He is more suited to front foot play.
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Right back is a position of need this summer.
Cash was getting roasted and Disasi looked like a centre back playing out of position.
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Disasi awful
Torres is so weak
Rogers on too long
Pep is a fraud
Empty seats
No soul
Let’s win the rest of our games.
Goodnight.
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Imagine spending 40m on Disasi just to play him all next season at RB.....No different from Cuellar 15 years ago.
I mean we were o.k....without ever having a serious go. Paid them far too much respect and all in all yet another away game in Manchester where we look like plucky underdogs on a big day out.
Comical if we do the same against one of the worst Man. United sides in decades but you wouldn't put it past us.
Can't get my head around Maatsen being an unused sub after how well he played at the weekend. I just don't get this reluctance to not use him or Malen at key points in games when everything is level and to play for. They put Doku on and one moment and they win the game.
Let's just hope if we do our job on Saturday and get them in the cup final we don't play anywhere near as conservative as that. I can live losing with four winnable games to go but losing a cup final in that manner would be even more sickening than 2000.
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Disasi jumped in and got roasted down the outside just like against PSG and Palace. Surely Emery should learn that he shouldn't be playing there.
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There's a reason why Chelsea let Axel Disasi join a Champions League rival. It's because he is and will always be a terrible defender.
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Didn't deserve much so I'm not as gutted as I thought I'd be. We showed fuck-all going forward.
Disasi is a Chelsea reject for a reason. Ridiculous positioning, Doku had him on toast. Guardiola is still a cvnt though.
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Far too passive, deserved to lose. Substitutions were really random. They're our bogey team away from home, I'd be concerned if we play like that should we meet in the final.
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That is on Unai. Terrible decisions tonight. So much for the CL...
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Disasi is NOT A FULL BACK!!!
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We looked tired, leggy, devoid of pace and ideas. Another late goal.
This is the game we could have done without in the run in. And it’s the score we didn’t need.
It’s not lights out for us in the CL race, but we’ve just made it a lot harder for ourselves
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Terrible subs. Not a great performance. Very disappointing.
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We showed absolutely no desire to win or hold the ball in the last 10 mins of that game.
Just jockeying and standing off players.
Ollie didn’t lead or fight from the front, they were allowed to bring the ball out unchallenged.
Man City fought, chased and tried to force the game, which ultimately paid off.
Disasi, Konsa and Torres, all absolutely fucking shit for that gol.
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Disasi IS NOT a right back.
He's been responsible for two injury time goals
PSG's 3rd in Paris - put us out of this year's Champs League
This one tonight - has it cost us a place in next year's ECL?
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Why was Rogers left on for so long, Emre played for a point and we got screwed. disappointing performance all round.
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The changes should have come at least 20 minutes earlier. Very poor in-game managerment this time.
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The second half was very poor. Too negative, too much respect shown and ridiculous to still put Disasi at right back. Ultimately we didn't deserve anything from the game.
Realistically going to be very difficult to finish top 5 now.
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Horribly reminiscent of PSG away.
We were asking for that all second half.
Right back has been a weakness all season and Disasi even worse than Cash or Konsa. Worrying given Palace’s width!
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Got to win our last four games. That should be enough imo.
Slight problem, one of them is in Manchester.
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The first 6 pointer we have lost and it feels bad. CL place is gone.
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Roy Keane saying we should learn from Stockport, what? Learn to cheat?
Anyway, justice aside, I was worried about Doku against Desasi, and that proved to be the difference.
I do agree with Keane that we lacked belief that we could win it.
But that empty husk of a football ground is definitely a bogey venue for us.
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Man city was there, for the taking... but we respected a team who are not as good as PSG or Newcastle.... very odd.
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It did have a feeling of settling for a draw in that second half. Which is fine if you play your tightest defence.
Saturday give Garcia a run out at RB. And push Rogers to the subs bench
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This season is far from over. Fuck everyone else. We’re going to smash every other team from here on in.
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Tempted to say we got what we deserved but I actually think City offered very little. I was baffled by Disasi replacing Cash and I sincerely hope that this is the last time we'll see him in that position.
Can't see us getting top 5 now but you never know... There's something so familiar about seeing us concede a late winner that raises a wry smile.
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I'm far, far too fuming so going to take a breath first, but we deserved that.
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Disappointing performance, Unai got it wrong imo. Morgan on too long, Disasi at RB. We were far too passive.
Now we'll find out what we're made of.
This. The passivity in the second half even with a Cup Semi on Saturday was shameful.
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We were shit. Too passive. This particular iteration of City is not good, they are there for the taking of you don't fear them, and we played with too much fear.
Also, if your gameplan is backs to the wall defending, why Torres? He is more suited to front foot play.
I think the gameplay was soak up their attacks and play quick killer balls on the counter . So hence Torres .
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That's Champions league gone for the season.
I don't think we did a lot wrong, Rogers was dead on his feet.
Disasi isn't a mobile right back so find that sub baffling.
Europa league winners 2026 anybody?
It's not gone at all.
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Missed opportunity, we looked tired and lacked belief in our ability. City are miles off what they were, and we let them dictate the game. We will never win there with a negative mindset. A really bad result and overall performance, we are so much better than that performance.
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Blast.
And double blast. I’m very cross.
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There's a reason why Chelsea let Axel Disasi join a Champions League rival. It's because he is and will always be a terrible defender.
Terrible right back, better central defender as per Chelsea fans as well as our own evidence. I thought Emery would just use him as a straight Carlos replacement and still use Konsa RB if he persists with a CB there instead of RB. Whoever is doing the analysis on his usage at RB is doing a shit job.
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Cock Piss Partidge.
Let's do them in the Final
Yes please!
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Cash or Garcia - or dare I say Konsa - wouldn’t have got done by Doku. Disasi has looked great at CB but as every Chelsea fan has told us he’s not a RB.
Fine margins in part, & Citeh did little to threaten with all the possession they have in the second half.
4 must win games after this weekend.
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There should be a law against playing lumbering centre-halves at full-back.
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There should be a law against playing lumbering centre-halves at full-back.
Emery fucked it tonight
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Why did Pau let that ball go across him? Couldn’t he have just kicked it out for a corner?
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I don’t know why Unai shits himself so much at their ground. That’s a bang average Man City team and we treated them like gods.
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He is normally quite good on the subs but Rogers was on for 40 mins too long and Disasi on for RB?? watkins and asesnsio and malen came on too late..
but again Disasi again .... RB WTF
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4 wins out of 4 and we’ll do it.
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There's a reason why Chelsea let Axel Disasi join a Champions League rival. It's because he is and will always be a terrible defender.
The fans seems to say he is decent a CB but not fist choice and an awful RB.
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FFS Villa
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Very surprised Maatsen never got a run out.
Very poor use of a strong bench in other areas too.
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I hope Arsenal give Palace a tonking tomorrow. We need them to be as deflated as we are
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Good news is Disasi is cup tied😊
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Man city was there, for the taking... but we respected a team who are not as good as PSG or Newcastle.... very odd.
We were away though, those games were at VP. We're always meek as fuck at the Emptihad.
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Been watching Manchester city games recently and they were poor, this was a poor performance tonight
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Same issues that have haunted us all season - concede from the first shot, concede late.
No excuse there - as we had fresh legs on. Dasiri is not a right back - no point in bring on a right back who is less solid than cash and offers less going forward.
Morgan should have been off sooner looked dead. A bit like PSG away nearly an acceptable result - but might now be a mountain too far. Still 6th and the FA cup wouldnt be bad.
I just fucking hate Man City - they should have been renamed once they were taken over because there a souless vessel of a club.
Bad day - but 6 more wins and wont end up a bad season.
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They better wake up for Saturday or our season will peter out completely.
It's not over but a point and that game out of the way would of been a great result after 2 massive performances in a week.
Fa cup and Europa will be a fine season
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The changes should have come at least 20 minutes earlier. Very poor in-game managerment this time.
Very poor team selection. Man City were there for the taking and we set up for a point.
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Definitely a disappointment. There are still games to play and a cup semi on Saturday. Onwards and upwards!
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That's Champions league gone for the season.
I don't think we did a lot wrong, Rogers was dead on his feet.
Disasi isn't a mobile right back so find that sub baffling.
Europa league winners 2026 anybody?
It's not gone at all.
Technically no, but losing games like this has a massive effect backed onto our recent run of games, Villa are once again beatable, turn this around, imagine had we have beaten Man City tonight backed onto the recent wins, wow! opposition wouldn't want to even come out the dressing room and face us.
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Does it too much away sometimes. I thought the starting lineup was decent and very PSG second leg orientated. Probably would have left the wings a bit exposed but should have won CM. However we seemed to be too cautious and the passing was atrocious sometimes.
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Why did Pau let that ball go across him? Couldn’t he have just kicked it out for a corner?
I’m sure there are centre halves who throw their bodies and everything on the line to get something on the ball.
Then there are those who watch don’t react .
Torres job is to defend, but apparently he can pass the ball brilliantly and that’s more important.
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https://youtu.be/tr0VnvtHVNg?si=ivFDISdmy5WWSYnL
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Even though we were pretty shit, If Disasi doesn't dive in then we're all on here saying what a good away point point that is.
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I think pau expected emi to drop on it but he dived sideways instead. A bit worried about emi over the past few weeks.
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Not liking Disasi at all really. Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole in the summer. Some old up there. Still lots to play for.
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Even though we were pretty shit, If Disasi doesn't dive in then we're all on here saying what a good away point point that is.
Yep. The only times they get round the back of us and they score both times.
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I think pau expected emi to drop on it but he dived sideways instead. A bit worried about emi over the past few weeks.
The communication between them was poor for PSGs 1st goal last week too
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seems to me theres a big mentality problem we can't make that big step. in Paris they shit the bed in the last min, the home leg we didn't turn up till 2-0 down and tonight showed them way too much respect such a poor city team filled with average or over the hill players.
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Concede with the first shot against us.
Concede in the last minute of injury time.
That’s a really, really shit habit to form.
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seems to me theres a big mentality problem we can't make that big step. in Paris they shit the bed in the last min, the home leg we didn't turn up till 2-0 down and tonight showed them way too much respect such a poor city team filled with average or over the hill players.
Never seem to be able to get over the line when an advantage is within reach.
Last season was more of a case of Spurs throwing it away.
Whenever we have a chance to really go up, we don't take it. That Sheffield Utd home game to go top of the league before last Christmas was a good example. Zaniolo last minute header 1-1.
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I think pau expected emi to drop on it but he dived sideways instead. A bit worried about emi over the past few weeks.
What was Martinez doing? He dived for no reason leaving an open goal for the back post winner.
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For as long as I’ve known the villa we’ve had a mentally weak strain.
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I don’t know why Unai shits himself so much at their ground. That’s a bang average Man City team and we treated them like gods.
This. After Saturday that team should have been sent out to put an intense first half in but the managers got it very wrong tonight. A quality right back is 100% has to be top of the list for summer. Stevie Wonder could see that late winner coming.
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I think pau expected emi to drop on it but he dived sideways instead. A bit worried about emi over the past few weeks.
That's what, three at his near post now in the last few games? He's generally brilliant and it can't help having a comedy defence in front of him. It's certainly where I'd like to see some money spent in the summer.
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That's a big blow tonight but it's certainly not over. But we realistically now need to win out to get a top 5 spot. It won't be easy. We now need to focus and make sure the week ends well and we have an FA Cup final to look forward to.
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I really don’t rate Torres. Disasi was needed at the time but we should send him back now. Emi, cut out the errors please. Late goals always feel worse.
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Disasi man, just wipe him out. That's the problem though if you play for a draw. We had way more in us but I feel our previous record here played a massive part.
Win on Saturday and I couldn't give a fuck about tonight.
It is disappointing as win on Saturday and we'll probably be getting them in a few weeks and we've given them a mental edge now with that late winner. They'll also have Haaland back in May to tap in the crosses that McAtee was miskicking.
Bad fear we're going to go into ultra conservative mode in the FA Cup now when to win it we need to continue being on the front foot like v PSG and Newcastle.
That's the way we win a trophy with this squad imo, not low risk and playing not to get beat. We tried that in 2000 and have rued it for decades.
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11 goals conceded in the 90th+ minute this season isn’t good enough by far.
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We don’t defend anywhere near as well without Mings. Desasi is a 4th choice centre back - surely Unai gets this now.
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No Mings in defence or on the bench is not good. We're much stronger at the back with Tyrone in there. Any reason why he wasn't at least on the bench? Torres isn't a strong centre-back. Good passer, that's all.
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I didn't think either side deserved to win that to be honest. Baffled by the Disasi sub and Asencio didn't do a great deal either. It definitely needed McGinn on when he did and both Ollie and Malen towards the end.
It's not over.
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Sadly then, as it panned out, the highlight of my day actually was assembling two pieces of flat pack furniture this afternoon.
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Why do we play so differently away from home? It's like we're happy to concede possession & hope we snatch something. We / Unai wasn't brave enough & we got what we deserved.
We won't play a weaker Man City again for a long time. That's not a point lost, it's 3.
Rogers cannot play on the right.
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Far to much respect from minute one. Uni got that so wrong tonight. City are very poor and yet we were so fucking passive. At no stage did we dominate or impose ourselves. So so disappointing after the efforts of PSG and Newcastle. Massive pressure on Sat now and the team will be very low.
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11 goals conceded in the 90th+ minute this season isn’t good enough by far.
Is that a genuine stat? That seems facking awful if true. Off the top of my head I can only really remember Bournemouth and tonight.
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We don’t defend anywhere near as well without Mings. Desasi is a 4th choice centre back - surely Unai gets this now.
Konsa is not the same quality without Mings next to him, organising him. Torres and Konsa have a habit of disappearing when crosses come in.
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We played like Villa of old, passive and fearful. Annoying as I think our 11 was better than theirs and they can be got at.
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Absolute shite, rope a dope tactics. Then Desasi at right back when it was pretty obvious that Doku was going to be there get out of jail card.
Remi Martinez best in the world your having a laugh.
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We must be up to around 20 first shot on target goals conceded which is bonkers.
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I guess by the time Disasi came on Villa were settling for a point.
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2 right backs in the match squad and he puts a CH out there for the last 20 mins.
Why?
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Horribly reminiscent of PSG away.
We were asking for that all second half.
Right back has been a weakness all season and Disasi even worse than Cash or Konsa. Worrying given Palace’s width!
Eze will be coming inside from the left, it's the right that will be an issue with Sarr + Munoz. It will surely be Maatsen and SJM as combination for that side although Ramsey wasn't too bad again.
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Top 5 gone i think now. Ludicrous given how poor we are in defence that Emery decides to be clever and try and nick a point. Even if we win every game now it almost certainly won't be enough. Dreadful mentality from manager to players tonight.
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I'd rather have NRC at RB than Disasi. And he's 41 next month.
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11 goals conceded in the 90th+ minute this season isn’t good enough by far.
Is that a genuine stat? That seems facking awful if true. Off the top of my head I can only really remember Bournemouth and tonight.
Forest away was another that cost us.
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11 goals conceded in the 90th+ minute this season isn’t good enough by far.
Is that a genuine stat? That seems facking awful if true. Off the top of my head I can only really remember Bournemouth and tonight.
Thats sounds right - on Sky they said only Southampton have let in more. I can think of Forest, PSG, Bournemouth(?) off the top of my head.
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8 in the league. PSG is another. Probably two more elsewhere, so sounds about right
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Gutted looked like it was gonna be a precious point, but in the end that display didn't deserve anything. THe Sky stat showing us having the worse record, after Southampton, of conceding goals in stoppage time, from what I can recall most of those goals came in the first half of the season, in fact today maybe the first one we have conceded this year.
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saw the team and thought that looks defensive. then 2 in front of a narrow back 4, did he want to win the game?
And as everyone has said, too much respect for an average team but more worrying was the lack of desire from Unai, like he was playing for a point. We needed 3 they didn’t but we made it so easy for them.
CL gone and i now worry about Saturday
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Another one down to Emery.
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In the summer - we really need to get a quality right back - it costs us. Cash has been good recently but never plays 90 mins (often becaause hes booked within the first 20 mins).
I dont understand why he but Axl out there when we had Garcia and Konsa who are far better right backs.
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Man City at home was a late one.
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Both games against PSG and tonight we picked our worst CB partnership. I know players have to be rotated but from now on hopefully Mings can play all the games. Obviously, with Konsa at CB we also lose the RB who defensively is head and shoulders above every other option we have. If we HAD to bring Disasi on, he should have gone in the middle.
Also felt we played with a bit of an inferiority complex. I thought /hoped we’d run the legs off their aging midfield but we didn’t force them back enough or make them cover lots of ground.
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Man city was there, for the taking... but we respected a team who are not as good as PSG or Newcastle.... very odd.
Could the fact that we had those two mighty difficult games before we played City have had an effect? Exactly a week ago they put absolutely everything into playing the best in Europe. A few days ago they bust a gut to beat Newcastle. Playing city tonight on an absolute graveyard of a ground for us was just a step too far.
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Top 5 gone i think now. Ludicrous given how poor we are in defence that Emery decides to be clever and try and nick a point. Even if we win every game now it almost certainly won't be enough. Dreadful mentality from manager to players tonight.
If we win all 4 we will get 5th. It’s definitely doable and maybe having to go out and win suits us. Why anyone would give up now is beyond me.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
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martinez and their goal.. absolute rubbish..
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2 points off a CL place, in an FA Cup semi final, beaten by a last minute goal at a bogey ground that is the home of a team who spent 120m in Jan, off the back of a swashbuckling win at home to another CL rival and it's all gone to shit?
I'm disappointed and there is much to.pick apart but I hope the players aren't as downhearted ahead of Sat.
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Really disappointing second half. Despite them getting about 10 corners in the second half, I didn’t actually think they were that good, but we just couldn’t hold onto the ball enough.
McGinn needed to come on, but ironically the first three players to come off-Ramsey, Onana and Rashford, were three of our better performers.
I know Rogers can be poor then brilliant in the blink of an eye, but he was awful all night, he offered no support to Rashford and was the main reason we couldn’t retain possession at the top end of the pitch, he should of came off early in the 2nd half. Also don’t get why he was arsey coming off unless he was just annoyed with himself.
I do not understand why some posters are finding a way to blame Torres for tonight, if he touches that ball across the box its an o.g. What exactly did he do wrong tonight.
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Another one down to Emery.
The last 100 odd are down to Emery. We're miles ahead of were any of us thought we'd be.
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Gutted looked like it was gonna be a precious point, but in the end that display didn't deserve anything. THe Sky stat showing us having the worse record, after Southampton, of conceding goals in stoppage time, from what I can recall most of those goals came in the first half of the season, in fact today maybe the first one we have conceded this year.
As soon as that graphic came up, I knew we were doomed.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
I doubt very much the 'Faking It' producers will be giving you a call.
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Pep saw Emery take off Cash and a few minutes later he takes off Mcatee and brings on Doku and Disasi gets absolutely wrecked. We've left with zero points and it's all down to Emery and his poor subs which were all either poor choices or happened far too late.
Leaving with nothing to a 94 year old man city midfield trio is unacceptable.
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saw the team and thought that looks defensive. then 2 in front of a narrow back 4, did he want to win the game?
And as everyone has said, too much respect for an average team but more worrying was the lack of desire from Unai, like he was playing for a point. We needed 3 they didn’t but we made it so easy for them.
CL gone and i now worry about Saturday
Apart from Mcginn, that is the side that conceded two but scored three against PSG at home. It can attack, especially if we can at least beat their CM press which is what we failed to do most of the night. 1st half was pretty level though in terms of attack and defend and even though they had more of the ball and some better chances, we had as many touches in their box as they did in ours.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Am sure that’s not the case at all.
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Disasi and Emi not at their best. Digne and SJM also culpable for their winner, obviously in addition to Disasi's pub league naivety. Unai has to accept some responsibility too, way too much respect shown to City.
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Rogers was way off it tonight - I was shocked when ramsay went off and not him. He was awful - lost the ball nearly every time - and struggled physically.
Hopefully we can at least get Europa, and maybe even a cup win - but we have shot ourselves in the foot too often with slow starts and weak finishes.
Tonight was painful - but throughout UCL wasnt lost tonight - and if it is it was more from taking 2 points against Ipswich and games like that.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Am sure that’s not the case at all.
Another one who didn't see the jokes and smiles during the interview. Still I'm sure BCV was one of the ones stating Emery pissed off all the players in the first half of the season as well.
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2 right backs in the match squad and he puts a CH out there for the last 20 mins.
Why?
The kid from Levante is not proven at this level and Emery is blooding him carefully. Unfortunately, that means he gives dipshit Disasi a go at RB when the loudest thing we heard when he joined was that he wasn't a capable full-back.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment.
Fuck off man 🤣
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I dont understand why he but Axl out there when we had Garcia and Konsa who are far better right backs.
Exactly, I was expecting Unai to pull Konsa over to right back and put Disasi in his place. Then we have Garcia who looks so promising, I can only think he's pooped on Unai's pintxos. After tonight I wouldn't blame him if he had.
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Gutted looked like it was gonna be a precious point, but in the end that display didn't deserve anything. THe Sky stat showing us having the worse record, after Southampton, of conceding goals in stoppage time, from what I can recall most of those goals came in the first half of the season, in fact today maybe the first one we have conceded this year.
As soon as that graphic came up, I knew we were doomed.
Other 90+ goals we have conceded that didn't affect the result: Spurs (a), Newcastle (a) Palace (a) which were all heavy defeats and cup wins at Wycombe and at home to Spurs in the FA Cup.
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Disasi is NOT A FULL BACK!!!
Means nothing. Our best RB is NOT A FULL BACK!!!
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Emery gets far more right than he gets wrong, let's not sound like the entitled wankers that follow Woolwich.
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Unai could of done a few things differently tonight but it's mental some of the insults he's had on here. We've had such an amazing run under him and we shouldn't be throwing our toys out of the pram because we're pissed off with the result. I'm off to bed.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Yep QFs of the champions league, SFs of the FA Cup, still with a chance of qualifying for champions league for the second year in a row. These players have never had it so bad.
JFC, whats wrong with some people.
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Nobody more disapointed than me
But if we had hung on for another minute most of us would be happy with the draw
Thought changing the forwards showed an intent to try and snatch it
They are still a good team so a draw would have been ok
12 pointsand a cup final place to play for
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Just back to the car. Bloody fuming. Too passive and some poor substitutions. I reckon that's three of the top five sorted. We'll have to win our last four and see what happens.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Who else has he pissed off?
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We should have gone after them, far too passive and no Mings cost us.
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I really think we need to cash in on BIG summer bids for Martinez and Watkins this summer - shame of it is with missing out on CL this year we'll have no choice!
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I like the assumption that every CL rival is going to win all their remaining games. I recall a certain interviewer getting short shrift with a similar assumption in 1981.
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2 right backs in the match squad and he puts a CH out there for the last 20 mins.
Why?
The kid from Levante is not proven at this level and Emery is blooding him carefully. Unfortunately, that means he gives dipshit Disasi a go at RB when the loudest thing we heard when he joined was that he wasn't a capable full-back.
Mentioned elsewhere, I honestly thought he would a be direct Carlos replacement and Emery would still play the more athletic Konsa there as he did before. So no idea why he decided the big strong CB should be utilised on the wing for.
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For the moment I can't bear to watch it again, but it seemed that Doku miscontrolling the ball was what enabled him to go past Disasi so easily.
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Disasi is NOT A FULL BACK!!!
Means nothing. Our best RB is NOT A FULL BACK!!!
You are of course right. I was venting. I was surprised when Disasi replaced Cash though when Garcia was also on the bench.
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I really think we need to cash in on BIG summer bids for Martinez and Watkins this summer - shame of it is with missing out on CL this year we'll have no choice!
4 wins and we’ll won’t miss out.
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Really poor, deserved to lose. Played meekly and Disasi is a terrible right back it’s been proven so many times.
Citeh were there for the taking and we just let them play.
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It's a sickener but we're a point worse off than we were in the 93rd miniute. Win the next two, and we'll have Spurs and Yanited left. If we can't beat those two with them focused on Europe, then we don't deserve CL.
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Pretty convinced it’ll come down to Man Utd away
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Top 5 gone i think now. Ludicrous given how poor we are in defence that Emery decides to be clever and try and nick a point. Even if we win every game now it almost certainly won't be enough. Dreadful mentality from manager to players tonight.
If we win all 4 we will get 5th. It’s definitely doable and maybe having to go out and win suits us. Why anyone would give up now is beyond me.
I haven't given up, but statistically we've just put ourselves back an absolute mile. We need to win all four and 69 points could quite easily not be enough.
69 = Man City two wins and two draws from four, Forest three wins from five, Newcastle three wins and a draw from five and Chelsea four wins and a loss from five. Only three of those need to happen and we are done even if we max out. If we don't max out increase the headroom accordingly. Odds are now long...hence why I'm still raging at whatever the fuck that was.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Yep QFs of the champions league, SFs of the FA Cup, still with a chance of qualifying for champions league for the second year in a row. These players have never had it so bad.
JFC, whats wrong with some people.
I think we should fuck him off I'm sick only making QF & SF in Europe only making top 5 and a possible FA cup win. Tony Mowbray is available.
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We don’t defend anywhere near as well without Mings. Desasi is a 4th choice centre back - surely Unai gets this now.
Konsa is not the same quality without Mings next to him, organising him. Torres and Konsa have a habit of disappearing when crosses come in.
Torres literally stepped over the winner tonight. You just know Mings would have thrown himself at it and risked an own goal.
Disappointing night against a Citeh team there for the taking minus Haaland. Well on top early on until Martinez literally threw in one. Settled ourselves well to get the penalty. But never showed up second half. Always horrible to lose at the death but it was deserved sadly. Really pissed off with our midfield two who let an average player like Kovacic outplay them. Ridiculous decision from Emery to replace Cash and Ramsey when he did and leave Rogers on. Everything went right for him at the weekend but not tonight.
Martinez 5 - awful error for their goal and I thought he hid on his line for a while afterwards
Cash 5 - far too narrow for their first goal but recovered a bit
Konsa 6 - don't remember too much of him which is probably positive
Torres 4 - gutless at end for the goal.
Digne 5 - flat tonight I thought and would have hooked him early in second half
Rogers 4 - positive start but yet again struggled in the position. That's on Emery, fortunate to last as long as he did to put it mildly
Kamara 4 - similar to PSG he seemed overawed a bit tonight. Poor on ball and no screen in front of our centre backs
Onana 4 - no idea what this guy is meant to bring. Hardly a kick first 30 mins
Tielemans 8 - our best player by a mile starting with pass to Rashford in first minute
Ramsey 7 - razor sharp early on and won the penalty. Crazy decision to replace him so early
Rashford 7 - hit post in first 10 seconds. Mixed enough maybe but little support. Worked hard to be fair
Emery 4 - not many complaints with starting line up but no impact from the bench tonight, I actually thought Disasi was doing ok when Doku came in to block him, until he got roasted at the end. That put the tin hat on it for us.
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Emery gets far more right than he gets wrong, let's not sound like the entitled wankers that follow Woolwich.
agree
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I really think we need to cash in on BIG summer bids for Martinez and Watkins this summer - shame of it is with missing out on CL this year we'll have no choice!
What is BIG ?
Martinez would not attract a BIG fee. £25-£30m tops, if that.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Who else has he pissed off?
Maatsen had the performance of his life on Saturday - benched next game.
Ditto Watkins.
Mings dropped even from the bench even though we look better with him in the starting 11.
Malen - impressive every time I see him, but never gets a kick.
Duran - probably the main reason we picked up points earlier in the season, but decided he wanted out because Emery kept picking then dropping him.
I get that he needs to rotate, but sometimes it's better just to leave it alone.
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Pretty convinced it’ll come down to Man Utd away
Which we'll lose. Again.
The FA Cup in our trophy cabinet will make it more bearable though...
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Yep QFs of the champions league, SFs of the FA Cup, still with a chance of qualifying for champions league for the second year in a row. These players have never had it so bad.
JFC, whats wrong with some people.
I think we should fuck him off I'm sick only making QF & SF in Europe only making top 5 and a possible FA cup win. Tony Mowbray is available.
Why not accept that sometimes he is not perfect?
It’s not a personal attack against you when people question the manager’s decisions.
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Pretty convinced it’ll come down to Man Utd away
0-2 half time
3-2 full time
Winner Bruno Fernandes 90 + 3 days
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Yep QFs of the champions league, SFs of the FA Cup, still with a chance of qualifying for champions league for the second year in a row. These players have never had it so bad.
JFC, whats wrong with some people.
I think we should fuck him off I'm sick only making QF & SF in Europe only making top 5 and a possible FA cup win. Tony Mowbray is available.
Why not accept that sometimes he is not perfect?
It’s not a personal attack against you when people question the manager’s decisions.
Why were you not on here on Saturday saying another one down to Emery?
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Man city was there, for the taking... but we respected a team who are not as good as PSG or Newcastle.... very odd.
Could the fact that we had those two mighty difficult games before we played City have had an effect? Exactly a week ago they put absolutely everything into playing the best in Europe. A few days ago they bust a gut to beat Newcastle. Playing city tonight on an absolute graveyard of a ground for us was just a step too far.
i get that but leaving Rogers on for so long and playing Disasi at Rb wil not help , they did give city too much respect thou .. I still think Villa coud have gone their and won or at least drew.. I still think we can win the next 4 league games and the othe rteams will lose games. We bottled it tonight .
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but sometimes it's better just to leave it alone.
Good advice, you should try it some time.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Yep QFs of the champions league, SFs of the FA Cup, still with a chance of qualifying for champions league for the second year in a row. These players have never had it so bad.
JFC, whats wrong with some people.
I think we should fuck him off I'm sick only making QF & SF in Europe only making top 5 and a possible FA cup win. Tony Mowbray is available.
Why not accept that sometimes he is not perfect?
It’s not a personal attack against you when people question the manager’s decisions.
Why were you not on here on Saturday saying another one down to Emery?
I was
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Am sure that’s not the case at all.
Watkins was playing at a different level vs Barcodes. There was absolutely no reason to drop him for this match other than his post-match comments. I like Rashford and I'm glad he's here but I never want to see him starting as our main forward for big matches.
Bringing him on for 13 minutes was utterly pointless. At least give more like 30 ish minutes like the Saints match.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Yep QFs of the champions league, SFs of the FA Cup, still with a chance of qualifying for champions league for the second year in a row. These players have never had it so bad.
JFC, whats wrong with some people.
I think we should fuck him off I'm sick only making QF & SF in Europe only making top 5 and a possible FA cup win. Tony Mowbray is available.
Why not accept that sometimes he is not perfect?
It’s not a personal attack against you when people question the manager’s decisions.
Indeed. I fucking love Emery, but he had a bad night...just as players can. You could see it happening in real time too.
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Top 5 gone i think now. Ludicrous given how poor we are in defence that Emery decides to be clever and try and nick a point. Even if we win every game now it almost certainly won't be enough. Dreadful mentality from manager to players tonight.
If we win all 4 we will get 5th. It’s definitely doable and maybe having to go out and win suits us. Why anyone would give up now is beyond me.
I haven't given up, but statistically we've just put ourselves back an absolute mile. We need to win all four and 69 points could quite easily not be enough.
69 = Man City two wins and two draws from four, Forest three wins from five, Newcastle three wins and a draw from five and Chelsea four wins and a loss from five. Only three of those need to happen and we are done even if we max out. If we don't max out increase the headroom accordingly. Odds are now long...hence why I'm still raging at whatever the fuck that was.
Chelsea have to play Liverpool, Newcastle and Forest.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Yep QFs of the champions league, SFs of the FA Cup, still with a chance of qualifying for champions league for the second year in a row. These players have never had it so bad.
JFC, whats wrong with some people.
I think we should fuck him off I'm sick only making QF & SF in Europe only making top 5 and a possible FA cup win. Tony Mowbray is available.
Think hes agree an 18 month deal with the Vatican
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We don’t defend anywhere near as well without Mings. Desasi is a 4th choice centre back - surely Unai gets this now.
Konsa is not the same quality without Mings next to him, organising him. Torres and Konsa have a habit of disappearing when crosses come in.
Torres literally stepped over the winner tonight. You just know Mings would have thrown himself at it and risked an own goal.
Disappointing night against a Citeh team there for the taking minus Haaland. Well on top early on until Martinez literally threw in one. Settled ourselves well to get the penalty. But never showed up second half. Always horrible to lose at the death but it was deserved sadly. Really pissed off with our midfield two who let an average player like Kovacic outplay them. Ridiculous decision from Emery to replace Cash and Ramsey when he did and leave Rogers on. Everything went right for him at the weekend but not tonight.
Martinez 5 - awful error for their goal and I thought he hid on his line for a while afterwards
Cash 5 - far too narrow for their first goal but recovered a bit
Konsa 6 - don't remember too much of him which is probably positive
Torres 4 - gutless at end for the goal.
Digne 5 - flat tonight I thought and would have hooked him early in second half
Rogers 4 - positive start but yet again struggled in the position. That's on Emery, fortunate to last as long as he did to put it mildly
Kamara 4 - similar to PSG he seemed overawed a bit tonight. Poor on ball and no screen in front of our centre backs
Onana 4 - no idea what this guy is meant to bring. Hardly a kick first 30 mins
Tielemans 8 - our best player by a mile starting with pass to Rashford in first minute
Ramsey 7 - razor sharp early on and won the penalty. Crazy decision to replace him so early
Rashford 7 - hit post in first 10 seconds. Mixed enough maybe but little support. Worked hard to be fair
Emery 4 - not many complaints with starting line up but no impact from the bench tonight, I actually thought Disasi was doing ok when Doku came in to block him, until he got roasted at the end. That put the tin hat on it for us.
slit your wrist time reading that
Have a sleep and think that 1more minute and it would have been a good result
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Top 5 gone i think now. Ludicrous given how poor we are in defence that Emery decides to be clever and try and nick a point. Even if we win every game now it almost certainly won't be enough. Dreadful mentality from manager to players tonight.
If we win all 4 we will get 5th. It’s definitely doable and maybe having to go out and win suits us. Why anyone would give up now is beyond me.
I haven't given up, but statistically we've just put ourselves back an absolute mile. We need to win all four and 69 points could quite easily not be enough.
69 = Man City two wins and two draws from four, Forest three wins from five, Newcastle three wins and a draw from five and Chelsea four wins and a loss from five. Only three of those need to happen and we are done even if we max out. If we don't max out increase the headroom accordingly. Odds are now long...hence why I'm still raging at whatever the fuck that was.
Chelsea have to play Liverpool, Newcastle and Forest.
Interesting. I haven't really looked at anybody else's fixtures
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Unai has these games in him occasionally, as brilliant as he is. He played the reputation not the team - the way to deal with Citeh is to challenge them. We let them play and just made weird decisions. Disasi is a terrible right back and we’re not a good enough defensive team to sit back. Also Rogers was booked and completely out of the game, but stayed on. We basically got pretty much everything wrong and essentially have to win every game for the remainder of the season.
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We don’t defend anywhere near as well without Mings. Desasi is a 4th choice centre back - surely Unai gets this now.
Konsa is not the same quality without Mings next to him, organising him. Torres and Konsa have a habit of disappearing when crosses come in.
Torres literally stepped over the winner tonight. You just know Mings would have thrown himself at it and risked an own goal.
Disappointing night against a Citeh team there for the taking minus Haaland. Well on top early on until Martinez literally threw in one. Settled ourselves well to get the penalty. But never showed up second half. Always horrible to lose at the death but it was deserved sadly. Really pissed off with our midfield two who let an average player like Kovacic outplay them. Ridiculous decision from Emery to replace Cash and Ramsey when he did and leave Rogers on. Everything went right for him at the weekend but not tonight.
Martinez 5 - awful error for their goal and I thought he hid on his line for a while afterwards
Cash 5 - far too narrow for their first goal but recovered a bit
Konsa 6 - don't remember too much of him which is probably positive
Torres 4 - gutless at end for the goal.
Digne 5 - flat tonight I thought and would have hooked him early in second half
Rogers 4 - positive start but yet again struggled in the position. That's on Emery, fortunate to last as long as he did to put it mildly
Kamara 4 - similar to PSG he seemed overawed a bit tonight. Poor on ball and no screen in front of our centre backs
Onana 4 - no idea what this guy is meant to bring. Hardly a kick first 30 mins
Tielemans 8 - our best player by a mile starting with pass to Rashford in first minute
Ramsey 7 - razor sharp early on and won the penalty. Crazy decision to replace him so early
Rashford 7 - hit post in first 10 seconds. Mixed enough maybe but little support. Worked hard to be fair
Emery 4 - not many complaints with starting line up but no impact from the bench tonight, I actually thought Disasi was doing ok when Doku came in to block him, until he got roasted at the end. That put the tin hat on it for us.
slit your wrist time reading that
Have a sleep and think that 1more minute and it would have been a good result
Scoreboard analysis then? We were outplayed on pitch and sideline tonight by a very average Citeh team.
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Disappointing to concede so late after it seemed we had got a point sewn up. Gave the ball away far too often and Disasi's defending was awful for their 2nd goal.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Yep QFs of the champions league, SFs of the FA Cup, still with a chance of qualifying for champions league for the second year in a row. These players have never had it so bad.
JFC, whats wrong with some people.
I think we should fuck him off I'm sick only making QF & SF in Europe only making top 5 and a possible FA cup win. Tony Mowbray is available.
Why not accept that sometimes he is not perfect?
It’s not a personal attack against you when people question the manager’s decisions.
I do accept that he's not perfect. Nobody's perfect. I just can't stand the way people throw their toys everywhere just because something goes wrong. They sound like entitled Arsenal fans and we all love to have a good laugh at their forums.
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We don’t defend anywhere near as well without Mings. Desasi is a 4th choice centre back - surely Unai gets this now.
Konsa is not the same quality without Mings next to him, organising him. Torres and Konsa have a habit of disappearing when crosses come in.
Torres literally stepped over the winner tonight. You just know Mings would have thrown himself at it and risked an own goal.
Disappointing night against a Citeh team there for the taking minus Haaland. Well on top early on until Martinez literally threw in one. Settled ourselves well to get the penalty. But never showed up second half. Always horrible to lose at the death but it was deserved sadly. Really pissed off with our midfield two who let an average player like Kovacic outplay them. Ridiculous decision from Emery to replace Cash and Ramsey when he did and leave Rogers on. Everything went right for him at the weekend but not tonight.
Martinez 5 - awful error for their goal and I thought he hid on his line for a while afterwards
Cash 5 - far too narrow for their first goal but recovered a bit
Konsa 6 - don't remember too much of him which is probably positive
Torres 4 - gutless at end for the goal.
Digne 5 - flat tonight I thought and would have hooked him early in second half
Rogers 4 - positive start but yet again struggled in the position. That's on Emery, fortunate to last as long as he did to put it mildly
Kamara 4 - similar to PSG he seemed overawed a bit tonight. Poor on ball and no screen in front of our centre backs
Onana 4 - no idea what this guy is meant to bring. Hardly a kick first 30 mins
Tielemans 8 - our best player by a mile starting with pass to Rashford in first minute
Ramsey 7 - razor sharp early on and won the penalty. Crazy decision to replace him so early
Rashford 7 - hit post in first 10 seconds. Mixed enough maybe but little support. Worked hard to be fair
Emery 4 - not many complaints with starting line up but no impact from the bench tonight, I actually thought Disasi was doing ok when Doku came in to block him, until he got roasted at the end. That put the tin hat on it for us.
slit your wrist time reading that
Have a sleep and think that 1more minute and it would have been a good result
Scoreboard analysis then? We were outplayed on pitch and sideline tonight by a very average Citeh team.
I don't think we were outplayed. Other than than their goals what did they do? 1-1 all over it if Disasi wasn't a twat.
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We don’t defend anywhere near as well without Mings. Desasi is a 4th choice centre back - surely Unai gets this now.
Konsa is not the same quality without Mings next to him, organising him. Torres and Konsa have a habit of disappearing when crosses come in.
Torres literally stepped over the winner tonight. You just know Mings would have thrown himself at it and risked an own goal.
Disappointing night against a Citeh team there for the taking minus Haaland. Well on top early on until Martinez literally threw in one. Settled ourselves well to get the penalty. But never showed up second half. Always horrible to lose at the death but it was deserved sadly. Really pissed off with our midfield two who let an average player like Kovacic outplay them. Ridiculous decision from Emery to replace Cash and Ramsey when he did and leave Rogers on. Everything went right for him at the weekend but not tonight.
Martinez 5 - awful error for their goal and I thought he hid on his line for a while afterwards
Cash 5 - far too narrow for their first goal but recovered a bit
Konsa 6 - don't remember too much of him which is probably positive
Torres 4 - gutless at end for the goal.
Digne 5 - flat tonight I thought and would have hooked him early in second half
Rogers 4 - positive start but yet again struggled in the position. That's on Emery, fortunate to last as long as he did to put it mildly
Kamara 4 - similar to PSG he seemed overawed a bit tonight. Poor on ball and no screen in front of our centre backs
Onana 4 - no idea what this guy is meant to bring. Hardly a kick first 30 mins
Tielemans 8 - our best player by a mile starting with pass to Rashford in first minute
Ramsey 7 - razor sharp early on and won the penalty. Crazy decision to replace him so early
Rashford 7 - hit post in first 10 seconds. Mixed enough maybe but little support. Worked hard to be fair
Emery 4 - not many complaints with starting line up but no impact from the bench tonight, I actually thought Disasi was doing ok when Doku came in to block him, until he got roasted at the end. That put the tin hat on it for us.
slit your wrist time reading that
Have a sleep and think that 1more minute and it would have been a good result
Ridiculous nonsense, grow up.
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Top 5 gone i think now. Ludicrous given how poor we are in defence that Emery decides to be clever and try and nick a point. Even if we win every game now it almost certainly won't be enough. Dreadful mentality from manager to players tonight.
If we win all 4 we will get 5th. It’s definitely doable and maybe having to go out and win suits us. Why anyone would give up now is beyond me.
I haven't given up, but statistically we've just put ourselves back an absolute mile. We need to win all four and 69 points could quite easily not be enough.
69 = Man City two wins and two draws from four, Forest three wins from five, Newcastle three wins and a draw from five and Chelsea four wins and a loss from five. Only three of those need to happen and we are done even if we max out. If we don't max out increase the headroom accordingly. Odds are now long...hence why I'm still raging at whatever the fuck that was.
Chelsea have to play Liverpool, Newcastle and Forest.
Interesting. I haven't really looked at anybody else's fixtures
They do but we need to overtake two teams not one and we’re not overtaking Citeh with their fixtures.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Yep QFs of the champions league, SFs of the FA Cup, still with a chance of qualifying for champions league for the second year in a row. These players have never had it so bad.
JFC, whats wrong with some people.
I think we should fuck him off I'm sick only making QF & SF in Europe only making top 5 and a possible FA cup win. Tony Mowbray is available.
Why not accept that sometimes he is not perfect?
It’s not a personal attack against you when people question the manager’s decisions.
Why were you not on here on Saturday saying another one down to Emery?
I was
Where, can you repost it?
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I'm down to 19/20 Villa now. I couldn't care less what they rest do. I have no idea who they're playing or anything. See what happens.
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I think it's 60 odd years since we last did the double over this lot.
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Top 5 gone i think now. Ludicrous given how poor we are in defence that Emery decides to be clever and try and nick a point. Even if we win every game now it almost certainly won't be enough. Dreadful mentality from manager to players tonight.
If we win all 4 we will get 5th. It’s definitely doable and maybe having to go out and win suits us. Why anyone would give up now is beyond me.
I haven't given up, but statistically we've just put ourselves back an absolute mile. We need to win all four and 69 points could quite easily not be enough.
69 = Man City two wins and two draws from four, Forest three wins from five, Newcastle three wins and a draw from five and Chelsea four wins and a loss from five. Only three of those need to happen and we are done even if we max out. If we don't max out increase the headroom accordingly. Odds are now long...hence why I'm still raging at whatever the fuck that was.
Chelsea have to play Liverpool, Newcastle and Forest.
Yep, I know. Whichever way you cut those results Newcastle and Forest can still finish on more than 69 points. Man City will.
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ramsay came off and morgan didnt , another odd thing. I thought Ramsay was much better than morgs .
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Just got on the train back to Rochdale. Shambolic performance. Never pressed their ancient midfield, just allowed them to pick their passes. Rashford spent the time he was on looking disinterested and never thought to pressurise their back 4 when they had the ball. Looked like too many were scared of getting injured and missing the Wembley game. Champions League looking unlikely.
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I'm down to 1920 Villa now.
I could get on board with that, we won the FA Cup that year.
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I'm down to 1920 Villa now.
I could get on board with that, we won the FA Cup that year.
Not sure Dave Woodhall will enjoy the league season, though.
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Top 5 gone i think now. Ludicrous given how poor we are in defence that Emery decides to be clever and try and nick a point. Even if we win every game now it almost certainly won't be enough. Dreadful mentality from manager to players tonight.
If we win all 4 we will get 5th. It’s definitely doable and maybe having to go out and win suits us. Why anyone would give up now is beyond me.
I haven't given up, but statistically we've just put ourselves back an absolute mile. We need to win all four and 69 points could quite easily not be enough.
69 = Man City two wins and two draws from four, Forest three wins from five, Newcastle three wins and a draw from five and Chelsea four wins and a loss from five. Only three of those need to happen and we are done even if we max out. If we don't max out increase the headroom accordingly. Odds are now long...hence why I'm still raging at whatever the fuck that was.
Chelsea have to play Liverpool, Newcastle and Forest.
Yep, I know. Whichever way you cut those results Newcastle and Forest can still finish on more than 69 points. Man City will.
I think it's done tbh. Europa league for us next season. Still it would be nice to win that and the Prem.
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ramsay came off and morgan didnt , another odd thing. I thought Ramsay was much better than morgs .
He does tend to leave Rogers on a lot and he'd been booked as well. His subs overall do have the next game in mind i think but all managers are prone to a lapse now and again.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Yep QFs of the champions league, SFs of the FA Cup, still with a chance of qualifying for champions league for the second year in a row. These players have never had it so bad.
JFC, whats wrong with some people.
I think we should fuck him off I'm sick only making QF & SF in Europe only making top 5 and a possible FA cup win. Tony Mowbray is available.
Why not accept that sometimes he is not perfect?
It’s not a personal attack against you when people question the manager’s decisions.
Why were you not on here on Saturday saying another one down to Emery?
I was
Where, can you repost it?
I will leave that to you.
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I thought so.
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I'm down to 19/20 Villa now. I couldn't care less what they rest do. I have no idea who they're playing or anything. See what happens.
This has really confused me. I'm probably tired.
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I'm down to 19/20 Villa now. I couldn't care less what they rest do. I have no idea who they're playing or anything. See what happens.
This has really confused me. I'm probably tired.
I believe he means that we were down and out, before getting the results in the last 4 games that we needed.
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I thought so.
If you get your enjoyment by attacking Villa fans, I can not help you.
KRO.
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seems to me theres a big mentality problem we can't make that big step. in Paris they shit the bed in the last min, the home leg we didn't turn up till 2-0 down and tonight showed them way too much respect such a poor city team filled with average or over the hill players.
Comes from the manager second half as we barely attempted to construct any decent subs and the subs weren't ambitious in the slightest especially with the timings.
He just played it like the PSG first leg and wanting to get away with a 1-1. Not like we were under insane pressure either for most of the second half like in Paris.
I think we'll have to scrap it out v Palace as this late loss will inevitably deflate us and they're a very awkward team if we're not on it.
My main concern now is we play exactly like this in a potential FA Cup final v Man. City. Do that and it would be an even bigger regret than 2000 as we win the competition with the mentality we had v Newcastle and PSG second leg.
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I thought so.
If you get your enjoyment by attacking Villa fans, I can not help you.
KRO.
I had KRO on my bingo card.
You're really can be very unpleasant when people disagree with you. I can't help you.
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Wow!
Unai Emery: "We conceded late against PSG because they have huge quality. Today is the same. I am happy and overall very proud of what we're doing. We played the match I expected before. In case we got one point, it would not have been enough."
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I think we'll have to scrap it out v Palace as this late loss will inevitably deflate us and they're a very awkward team if we're not on it.
I think it will fire us up for the semi-final and the last 4 league games.
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seems to me theres a big mentality problem we can't make that big step. in Paris they shit the bed in the last min, the home leg we didn't turn up till 2-0 down and tonight showed them way too much respect such a poor city team filled with average or over the hill players.
Comes from the manager second half as we barely attempted to construct any decent subs and the subs weren't ambitious in the slightest especially with the timings.
He just played it like the PSG first leg and wanting to get away with a 1-1. Not like we were under insane pressure either for most of the second half like in Paris.
I think we'll have to scrap it out v Palace as this late loss will inevitably deflate us and they're a very awkward team if we're not on it.
My main concern now is we play exactly like this in a potential FA Cup final v Man. City. Do that and it would be an even bigger regret than 2000 as we win the competition with the mentality we had v Newcastle and PSG second leg.
I agree, this is not a winning mentality, we are better than this.
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I'm down to 19/20 Villa now. I couldn't care less what they rest do. I have no idea who they're playing or anything. See what happens.
This has really confused me. I'm probably tired.
Last few fixtures I genuinely didn't have a clue what the rest needed to do. I just concentrated on ours. But then this was me on about 87 minutes......
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we can still win the last 4 .. Its not over.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Who else has he pissed off?
Maatsen had the performance of his life on Saturday - benched next game.
Ditto Watkins.
Mings dropped even from the bench even though we look better with him in the starting 11.
Malen - impressive every time I see him, but never gets a kick.
Duran - probably the main reason we picked up points earlier in the season, but decided he wanted out because Emery kept picking then dropping him.
I get that he needs to rotate, but sometimes it's better just to leave it alone.
Apart from Watkins comments on Saturday, have you got intel that Mastsen, Mings and Malen aren’t happy, or are you, dare I say it, shit stirring to reinforce your uber negativity. You know, that thing you do when we lose.
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Wow!
Unai Emery: "We conceded late against PSG because they have huge quality. Today is the same. I am happy and overall very proud of what we're doing. We played the match I expected before. In case we got one point, it would not have been enough."
You’re very negative towards our manager. I wonder why.
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If you want to substitute a full back, and you have a full back on the bench. Don’t bring on a friggin centre half. Last minute goal for the opposition,we’ve been here before.
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I thought so.
If you get your enjoyment by attacking Villa fans, I can not help you.
KRO.
I had KRO on my bingo card.
You're really can be very unpleasant when people disagree with you. I can't help you.
SOTV
I think you are a bluenose.
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Really poor 2nd half ,it's disappointing. Against possibly the worst C115y team in 7 years maybe more .
We are choking big games , PSG now this .
Very poor
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I thought so.
If you get your enjoyment by attacking Villa fans, I can not help you.
KRO.
I had KRO on my bingo card.
You're really can be very unpleasant when people disagree with you. I can't help you.
SOTV
I think you are a bluenose.
I think you'd better take the rest of the night off.
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Another one down to Emery.
Certainly get the impression its not a happy camp at the moment. Watkins was pretty blunt after Saturday about not starting against PSG. Emery seems to be pissing off a few of these players at the moment.
Who else has he pissed off?
Maatsen had the performance of his life on Saturday - benched next game.
Ditto Watkins.
Mings dropped even from the bench even though we look better with him in the starting 11.
Malen - impressive every time I see him, but never gets a kick.
Duran - probably the main reason we picked up points earlier in the season, but decided he wanted out because Emery kept picking then dropping him.
I get that he needs to rotate, but sometimes it's better just to leave it alone.
Apart from Watkins comments on Saturday, have you got intel that Mastsen, Mings and Malen aren’t happy, or are you, dare I say it, shit stirring to reinforce your uber negativity. You know, that thing you do when we lose.
Hardly likely to be thrilled about it are they? And you add Rogers coming off tonight and throwing a sulk about it, refusing to shake the managers hand. He's been poor for weeks, but appears to be undroppable. Emery's subs almost feel like they've been preplanned on occasions and tonight was one of them.
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There's some absolutely crazy hot takes on here, tonight.
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For the moment I can't bear to watch it again, but it seemed that Doku miscontrolling the ball was what enabled him to go past Disasi so easily.
Yep. All his life he’s been told ‘don’t dive in, but be ready for your man to take a bad touch’ like everybody has. He was just a millisecond too late to react to it.
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After getting through an hour of disappointment I can see we can still do this. It's a bit more difficult but not impossible. 2 defeats in 11 is still impressive form.
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Hardly likely to be thrilled about it are they? And you add Rogers coming off tonight and throwing a sulk about it, refusing to shake the managers hand. He's been poor for weeks, but appears to be undroppable. Emery's subs almost feel like they've been preplanned on occasions and tonight was one of them.
So a player who isn't picked is angry with the manager, and one who is un-droppable is also angry with the manager. Subs are usually preplanned by the way. I mean the previous 10 wins had subs coming on at set time and usually transforming the match as part of a gameplan after previous players had tired out the defence etc. Didn't see you moaning then. Of course, it was 10 WINS wasn't it.
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I had KRO on my bingo card.
You're really can be very unpleasant when people disagree with you. I can't help you.
SOTV
I think you are a bluenose.
I'd suggest that if you're looking for bluenoses on the thread, you need to look elsewhere. They're not exactly the brightest, so not too hard to spot.
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If you want to substitute a full back, and you have a full back on the bench. Don’t bring on a friggin centre half. Last minute goal for the opposition,we’ve been here before.
Or you could bring on a centre-half, play him at centre-half, and move our centre-half who is also our best right-back to right-back.
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If you want to substitute a full back, and you have a full back on the bench. Don’t bring on a friggin centre half. Last minute goal for the opposition,we’ve been here before.
Or you could bring on a centre-half, play him at centre-half, and move our centre-half who is also our best right-back to right-back.
That's what I thought he'd did when he came came on. It was still a weird sub though.
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Gutted. Did well, just not quite enough. Shit ground, shit fans, plastic everywhere.
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I'd rather have NRC at RB than Disasi. And he's 41 next month.
Stanloi, aka SVC, had this to say on X;
I feel for Disasi. Centre back, not the quickest turnover of feet, shouldn't be anywhere near playing right back. So we play him against a PSG flier then O'Reilly and then Doku.
In 2 crucial games, he was done ( again, CD's that aren't quick over 5 yards shouldn't be playing fullback) over 5 yards, and led to crucial goals.
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Rogers needed resting tonight. Emery rarely rotates him. He shouldn't play every game. Tonigh, I'd rather he played Ollie up front, Rashford wide left and Ramsey wide right. 5 changes from Sarurday's starting lineup was too many.
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Very poor without Mings . Very costly loss this .
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If you want to substitute a full back, and you have a full back on the bench. Don’t bring on a friggin centre half. Last minute goal for the opposition,we’ve been here before.
Or you could bring on a centre-half, play him at centre-half, and move our centre-half who is also our best right-back to right-back.
Make two changes across the back four when none were required 👍 perry on the sherry again
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If you want to substitute a full back, and you have a full back on the bench. Don’t bring on a friggin centre half. Last minute goal for the opposition,we’ve been here before.
Or you could bring on a centre-half, play him at centre-half, and move our centre-half who is also our best right-back to right-back.
Make two changes across the back four when none were required 👍 perry on the sherry again
For the last time. behave.
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If you want to substitute a full back, and you have a full back on the bench. Don’t bring on a friggin centre half. Last minute goal for the opposition,we’ve been here before.
Or you could bring on a centre-half, play him at centre-half, and move our centre-half who is also our best right-back to right-back.
Make two changes across the back four when none were required 👍 perry on the sherry again
Maybe we should have started like that? Odds are we wouldn’t have conceded after 7 minutes, considering Cash defended like a really slow hologram. I’m aware however that you think the more goals a defence concedes, the better it is, so no need to tell us that yet again.
Anyway, you’ve called me mental, gay and a drunk now. Not to mention the gaslighting. A real charmer aren’t you?
All because you don’t like it when I ridicule your ridiculous opinions.
Go and pick on the dozens of others on here who laugh at your pathetic and hilarious Dunning-Kruger player ratings. Comedy gold they are.
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Rogers was booked and is on 9 bookings now. Does the amnesty on 10 yellows come in soon? Remember this time last year Dougie just had two minutes to avoid a yellow and a suspension but fucked-up with a late booking in the 3-3 with Brentford.
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Passed against Newcastle. Edit Actually the game before as its 32 games.
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Concede in minutes 1-5 and you've plenty of time to recover.
Concede after 80 mins and you've screwed yourselves
Villa 1-1 B'mouth 90+6 2 points lost
Forest 2-1 Villa 87, 90+3 3 points
Villa 2-2 Brighton 12, 81 2 points
City 2-1 Villa 90+4 1 point
8 points dropped to goals conceded after 80 mins.
Criminally incompetent.
We need to learn how to close out games.
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Concede in minutes 1-5 and you've plenty of time to recover.
Concede after 80 mins and you've screwed yourselves
Forest 2-1 Villa 87, 90+3 3 points
The biggest kick in the teeth of the lot.
-3 for us, +3 for Forest.
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Only just home and not read the thread but I’ll just ask why we put a RB on the bench if we’re going to overlook him for a CB with no pace? Especially one that was rinsed by a winger only couple of weeks ago in Paris too. Very strange.
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Obviously a massive blow to lose it in that manner as has been covered, but I’d maintain the race is far from over; our fight is with Forest, Newcastle & Chelsea and it seems unlikely they’ll be perfect for all the remaining games, so there’s a chance, albeit a slim one.
Wasn’t the easiest on the eye at times but thought we were quite impressive in keeping them at arms length for long periods. Once the clock reached 80 minutes it did start to look like the mental fatigue had started to catch up with us though. Our substitutions have been perfectly timed and judged in recent weeks but it didn’t work out this time whereas theirs did. It happens.
We’ve been on a great run and have an opportunity to take another massive step this weekend. Plenty to look forward to.
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I don’t think i’ve been as pissed off with a goal as that one tonight, for a very long time.
I have a horrible feeling it will not only be pivotal for a 5th placed finish, but also the implications of no champions league football next season.
And I can’t sleep.
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We had the superior players on the pitch but allowed them too much of the ball, we sort of closed shop when we really needed all the points, totally different from the Newcastle game where we played open attacking football. Rogers has no reason to complain he has been poor, we know he's a talent but maybe too much football at his age is taking a toll.
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Saw their starting line up and ageing midfield duo and thought we can win this
Far too respectful and defensive to me from the start. Not really sure where Onana fits in?
Rogers well off it tonight
Gutted by the result but also the overall performance against a mediocre, by their high standards, City.
So many empty seats and their adding another 6k apparently 😆
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I don’t think i’ve been as pissed off with a goal as that one tonight, for a very long time.
I have a horrible feeling it will not only be pivotal for a 5th placed finish, but also the implications of no champions league football next season.
And I can’t sleep.
My thoughts too. No CL, no keeping Rashford or Asensio, and goodbye someone else or two to pay for PSR. Back to square one squad building-wise.
However, this is football.
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Have we genuinely seen enough from those 2 to warrant the speculated £600k pw wages?
I though Asensio started well for us generally with his goals etc but faded whilst Rashford has gone the other way. The latter ain’t a CF but is a winger to supply Watkins imo
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It’s football for us but not for them it seems. When we lose to them it’s the worst burning rage..,at one time due to the players they took from us when we were a better team than them that helped get them on their way…then because they felt light years away from us and we couldn’t compete…but since the era when we’re actually pretty decent but having to sell some of our best players to keep on the right side of PSR while they have outstanding charges rolling over from season to season it really really boils my piss.
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Asensio seems to have had his minutes managed over cautiously and it seems to have eroded his form a bit. But he’s quality and offers something different. Rashford was decent tonight and he has had a positive impact in a lot of his appearances but for what he costs in wages I’m not sure id sign him. His pace offers us a lot but there must be other pacy players who cost a lot less.
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I don’t think i’ve been as pissed off with a goal as that one tonight, for a very long time.
I have a horrible feeling it will not only be pivotal for a 5th placed finish, but also the implications of no champions league football next season.
And I can’t sleep.
This.
Came back on an almost silent coach and after 30 minutes people sleeping, snoozing etc
I just wanted to shout and scream and hit things....the club....owners, coach, players...US....we need CL football to keep moving in the right direction and to enhance our financial stability...
and we set up to nick a draw, showed them far too much respect, sat back, played long balls straight back to them, made substitutions too late and conceded two absolutely shite goals, their winner in added time - AGAIN!!!
I thought we'd left all that behind.
Play like that on Saturday and Palace will lap it up.
And as someone else said...FFS! We're so much better than that!
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Have we genuinely seen enough from those 2 to warrant the speculated £600k pw wages?
I though Asensio started well for us generally with his goals etc but faded whilst Rashford has gone the other way. The latter ain’t a CF but is a winger to supply Watkins imo
Both have been better than I expected but it's the same tactical problem. Watkins is a better 9 than Rashford. Rogers is a better 10 than Asensio. Rashford in Ramsey's position hasn't really worked and I'm not sure we have even tried Asensio where Bailey usually plays. Fudging it and moving Rogers there is far from ideal.
I guess playing in the CL and deep in FA Cup, we have loads of games to keep players relatively happy, sorry Ollie. But that's a tough balancing act for a full season. Hard decisions required in the summer.
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Like others I thought we were a bit too passive in the 2nd half, the reason we were on this good run is because of good squad rotation, so when it doesn’t work it’s easy to pick holes in the concept.
Taking off JJ seemed to be the catalyst to just sit in, he gets us up the pitch so well, and when McGinn came on I expected it to be on the right, to help the full back out as their left was where the danger was coming from.
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Have we genuinely seen enough from those 2 to warrant the speculated £600k pw wages?
I though Asensio started well for us generally with his goals etc but faded whilst Rashford has gone the other way. The latter ain’t a CF but is a winger to supply Watkins imo
We haven't seen enough of them to warrant signing them permanently. These are quick sugar rush type of signings - not long term options. Rashford needs to go abroad and see if he still wants it enough.
For PSR we need more Youri, Kamara, Rogers, Ramsey and Garcia types.
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Ultimately Disappointing but not Disastrous.
Can't complain about that result in all honesty we were 2nd best in 2nd half.
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This one really hurt. How many times have we failed to to hold a lead or a draw to a late goal. This one has annoyed me so much. That lost point could be the one that keeps us out of Champs League. Need to forget tonight a try build a new winning run until the end of the season and see where we end up. UTV.
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Guardiola pushed both his full backs high very much like PSG did and exposed our full back cover. We should of course have exploited the spaces left behind them but Rogers was poor and Ramsey mysteriously subbed too early.
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Two 93rd minute goals to define our season - one ultimately knocks us out of the CL, one stops us getting back into it.
We have to be better/stronger in those moments. Disasi is a decent back up centre half, but an horrendous right back.
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Two 93rd minute goals to define our season - one ultimately knocks us out of the CL, one stops us getting back into it.
We have to be better/stronger in those moments. Disasi is a decent back up centre half, but an horrendous right back.
Yep I really find it odd when managers have blind spots, especially someone as brilliant as Unai. Against PSG the Disasi sub was basically a no choice, but to actively choose to put him at right back was a real mistake. He really can’t do it at this level.
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It’s like Unai’s blind spot with back-up goalkeepers…
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Disappointed I thought we deserved something from the game.
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Two 93rd minute goals to define our season - one ultimately knocks us out of the CL, one stops us getting back into it.
We have to be better/stronger in those moments. Disasi is a decent back up centre half, but an horrendous right back.
You can throw Bournemouth and Forest in there too. 3 points dropped in total there plus we gave 2 extra for Forest and they went on their run after that. Very, very late goals have absolutely killed us this season.
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Defensively we did well especially in the 2nd half when we were under a lot of pressure- again we switched off in added time to concede.
Let’s hope for a better performance on Saturday
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I really thought we would have a go at them last night. It worked at home for the past two seasons and given you could only hear our fans, we should have pretended it was Villa Park.
Rogers was really poor and playing him was not only detrimental to last night's performance but he is not rested ahead of Saturday now, when we really need him to be at it. Not sure what is up with Emi, the first goal was a poor mistake and for the second, he either needs to come forward and claim it or stay on his feet and shuffle across to cover the near post. In the end, he just flopped over to his side. Bizzare.
It's hard to see a realistic route to top 5 from here after the results since Sunday. We'd better win the Cup.
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For all 4 games that 90+ goals have hurt us v Bournemouth, Forest, PSG and now Man City, the danger has all come down our right, but with a variety of players like Barkley, Cash and Disasi sharing the blame.
Not sure how many late goals we let in last season that cost us, and where the source of the danger was.
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That was a poor second half but we are more than capable of winning our remaining games to give us a chance of top five.
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Only Southampton have conceded more goals after 90 minutes in the PL we have now conceded 8 in stoppage time and it will cost us.
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Only Southampton have conceded more goals after 90 minutes in the PL we have now conceded 8 in stoppage time and it will cost us.
Its not great, but we win’t actually know if it will cost us until after the man utd game. Last night was really disappointing but has ultimately decided nothing.
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So disappointing.
But will cut them some slack. That was our eighth match in 24 days!! Eight games in 24 days!! Most of which Villa have been brilliant.
Mentally and physically draining and unchartered territory for us. But another bridge we will have to cross if we want to join the super elite.
We have made rotation necessary but it does have its disadvantages.
Onwards and upwards.
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We just didn't turn up 2nd half, against a very average C115y . And we ended up getting what we deserved .
That result is a huge blow .
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The changes should have come at least 20 minutes earlier. Very poor in-game managerment this time.
Very poor team selection. Man City were there for the taking and we set up for a point.
If we ere set up for a point it worked almost perfectly.w
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I don’t think i’ve been as pissed off with a goal as that one tonight, for a very long time.
I have a horrible feeling it will not only be pivotal for a 5th placed finish, but also the implications of no champions league football next season.
And I can’t sleep.
Yup thats my big fear as well, I think permanently getting the loanees's is dependent on CL qualification but its the others that worry me, we have a lot of players who were superb in the CL this year and will want to play in it again, whoever that's with. I suppose the comfort is that there aren't too many clubs who can offer CL football and the wages they are already on.
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Such a shite night. Made my way up there after recovering from a bout of manflu over the Easter weekend.
Watkins and Mings should have started. Rogers should have been rested. Malen should have been given most of the game to show what he's about.
Never want to see Disasi again - Especially at right back. Cost us a semi final spot in Paris, and probably cost us a CL spot next season. Get him back to Chelsea next month, and bring in someone better/more capable.
The remaining home crowd (*half were already making their way back to the airport) finally sing a song in the 94th minute and Pep is seen on the touchline applauding all 4 stands. Plastic squad, plastic manager, plastic fans, plastic stadium. Everything that is wrong with football, all under one roof.
God, I hope they have the fucking book thrown at them. They deserve everything they get.
**and you just know, that if we don't have CL football to offer our players next season, Pep and the like will come sniffing around Kamara and co in the summer.
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Asensio is a game maker not game changer. Subbing him on at 60 plus has not worked that well.
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I really thought we would have a go at them last night. It worked at home for the past two seasons and given you could only hear our fans, we should have pretended it was Villa Park.
Rogers was really poor and playing him was not only detrimental to last night's performance but he is not rested ahead of Saturday now, when we really need him to be at it. Not sure what is up with Emi, the first goal was a poor mistake and for the second, he either needs to come forward and claim it or stay on his feet and shuffle across to cover the near post. In the end, he just flopped over to his side. Bizzare.
It's hard to see a realistic route to top 5 from here after the results since Sunday. We'd better win the Cup.
Rogers should have been hooked at HT. He was having little to no influence on the game, JJ was making things happen. A strange substitution by Emery. I know Rogers is the greater goal threat but he’s also something of a liability with the amount of times he can lose the ball in midfield.
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The changes should have come at least 20 minutes earlier. Very poor in-game managerment this time.
Very poor team selection. Man City were there for the taking and we set up for a point.
If we ere set up for a point it worked almost perfectly.w
That’s the problem with setting up for a draw, things like last night happen. Unai can’t win either way as if we would have gone out all guns blazing he would have been accused of being too much on the front foot. Just a disappointing performance or attitude after the last two games. Still, I’m sure, they’ll be a few more twists and turns yet.
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The changes should have come at least 20 minutes earlier. Very poor in-game managerment this time.
Very poor team selection. Man City were there for the taking and we set up for a point.
If we ere set up for a point it worked almost perfectly.w
That’s the problem with setting up for a draw, things like last night happen. Unai can’t win either way as if we would have gone out all guns blazing he would have been accused of being too much on the front foot. Just a disappointing performance or attitude after the last two games. Still, I’m sure, they’ll be a few more twists and turns yet.
We normally kick on 2nd half, instead we did nothing and let a poor team dominate us all over the pitch . Emery has to rotate therefore has to take risks with players , its just the way it is.
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I don’t really understand setting up for a draw though - if it were the Citeh of previous seasons, absolutely anything there is a bonus. But this wasn’t the Citeh of previous seasons, they are fragile and even yesterday you saw the few times we did run at them they struggled.
I think Unai just got it wrong and didn’t set up a game plan for the actual side we were playing.
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Asensio is a game maker not game changer. Subbing him on at 60 plus has not worked that well.
Worked perfectly vs BHA
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Reading back some of the pre-match thoughts and quite a few people mentioned Pep overthinking it. I think we may have to realise that Unai was the one doing that last night with the way we set up and then executed the game. We just seem as a group to be unable to play the patient controlled style that Unai is demanding in these situations. With two tough games in the last 7 days it was maybe the right thing to do but handed the initiative to C115y and we seem utterly incapable of seeing this sort of game through this season with the numerous examples we’ve seen.
On a final point, Disasi had a mare with his defending in that one instance with Doku but from that point on what the fuck were the rest of them doing? No pressure from anyone out towards Doku (Konsa/Malen/Kamara) one ball then takes Konsa/Pau/Emi out of the game but what the fuck were Digne and McGinn doing at the back post. A total fuck up from everyone involved.
Anyway it’s still all to play for and win all 4 and you never know. Onwards to Wembley….
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Lots of people saying Citeh are a poor team, yes they’re not the team they were but they’re third in the league and on a decent run of form and had home advantage.
It’s hardly like we were playing Blose.
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So disappointing.
But will cut them some slack. That was our eighth match in 24 days!! Eight games in 24 days!! Most of which Villa have been brilliant.
Mentally and physically draining and unchartered territory for us. But another bridge we will have to cross if we want to join the super elite.
We have made rotation necessary but it does have its disadvantages.
Onwards and upwards.
This is where I’m at. It was disappointing of course, but we’ve been largely excellent for the past few weeks, the fact the manager and most of the players had an off day is very forgivable.
Saturday is massive, let’s annihilate the pricks.
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Asensio is a game maker not game changer. Subbing him on at 60 plus has not worked that well.
Not sure that’s true. He’s come on a few times and scored.
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Asensio is a game maker not game changer. Subbing him on at 60 plus has not worked that well.
Apart from Brighton and the two Brugge matches of course.
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Lots of people saying Citeh are a poor team, yes they’re not the team they were but they’re third in the league and on a decent run of form and had home advantage.
It’s hardly like we were playing Blose.
Indeed and you forgot to mention their cheating.
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I don't get what we are doing with Disasi. I thought he was the Diego Carlos replacement so would play RCB either covering Konsa or with Konsa at right back in more defensive games. No idea why we are playing him right back when all three of Cash, Garcia and Konsa are fit. There is no way we saw him at right back for Chelsea and thought he was the solution surely.
I love Rogers but in certain games it is clear that he is struggling and Unai doesn't react quickly enough. It's not like we don't have other options on the bench now.
I can see the logic with Mings/Torres. Presumably he wants Mings fit for the Palace game to cater for Mateta after what happened in the earlier games.
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Disasi doesn't look comfortable as a full back. He may get there in time but an important run in doesn't feel like the best time to try and get someone else's player there.
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Why doesn't Emery give Rogers a rest? His type of game is energy sapping with surging runs through the opposition. Why he left it so late to take him off was ridiculous. Emery has a strong squad and got this badly wrong with Rogers last night. Also, back to walk football at times - this cost us in Paris. Play on the front foot like we did in the second half against PSG and Newcastle last Saturday. Also, we dominated City at home in December and beat them comfortably and should've scored more than two goals.
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It's definitely not done yet. Switching off last night cost us but other teams will have iffy results as well. We were going to get one in this run we've had sooner or later.
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It's definitely not done yet. Switching off last night cost us but other teams will have iffy results as well. We were going to get one in this run we've had sooner or later.
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I dont understand what a "game-maker" means in comparison to a "game-changer".
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It's an understatement to say Disasi is not comfortable at right back. He's absolutely not a full back and ultimately thats what cost us. Once he had replaced Cash City knew we were vulnerable to a pacey winger so they brought on Doku. It just felt like a matter of time once those two were matched up. Having said that I think Pau has a big problem dealing with that type of ball from the left. He just doesn't seem to have a "they shall not pass" attitude. He could of made more of an effort to cut that cross out but he didn't. Same thing against PSG. He hesitated like a little kitten and just got in Emis way leading to their first goal. I haven't got the time or patience to run through them all but I don't think those are the only times we have conceded where he could of cleared the ball if he was determined enough. Mings would of cut that cross out last night and he would not have been caught dilly dallying against PSG. He would of thumped it into row Z and probably pissed Emi off in doing so.
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Ok... so...
We now have (pretty much) just one game a week until the end of the season, so there is no reason not to play our best defence (injuries permitting) and that is Cash, Konsa, Mings, Digne.
We also perform better, unsurprisingly, when we have time to prepare for games - the lower intensity schedule will help that...
After a bright start, our Jan signings have all taken a bit of a dip or disappeared totally - while they have served a purpose, I don't think I would be starting any of them in the coming games.
5 (hopefully 6) winnable games. We need to be on the front foot in all of them.
And please, please Unai - never play Desasi at right-back again.
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As I see it, we have to win every game now, otherwise the CL ship will have sailed and with it will go one or more key players - that’s how fine these margins are.
One things for sure, our mental strength needs improvement - we simply cannot afford to continue conceding late goals, it’s killing us.
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I'm aware that one mistake is all it takes at the very top level but it wasn't as if Doku was skipping past Disasi every time he got the ball, he did it once, that was enough and Disasis's body shape was awful for that but I feel there still should have been enough cover to do a better job of preventing the goal.
All in all, a pretty poor game with few chances. Fine margins.
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I'm aware that one mistake is all it takes at the very top level but it wasn't as if Doku was skipping past Disasi every time he got the ball, he did it once, that was enough and Disasis's body shape was awful for that but I feel there still should have been enough cover to do a better job of preventing the goal.
All in all, a pretty poor game with few chances. Fine margins.
I alluded to that in my post a page or so back, once he’d skinned Disasi what the fuck were the rest of them doing?
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One things for sure, our mental strength needs improvement - we simply cannot afford to continue conceding late goals, it’s killing us.
On the feed I was watching a caption came up saying we were now the worst in the PL for goals against after 90mins.
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I missed the first ten minutes last night, was at a mate's house and he put it on in the background. I didn't see any of the HT or FT chat, so I've only just seen that Rashford hit the post after 18 seconds! What might have been...
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I'm aware that one mistake is all it takes at the very top level but it wasn't as if Doku was skipping past Disasi every time he got the ball, he did it once, that was enough and Disasis's body shape was awful for that but I feel there still should have been enough cover to do a better job of preventing the goal.
All in all, a pretty poor game with few chances. Fine margins.
I alluded to that in my post a page or so back, once he’d skinned Disasi what the fuck were the rest of them doing?
Ball watching . Nobody took any ownership of the situation .
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We are but some of those goals were consolations (like Foden's at VP). They'd be better off showing the stat for late goals leading to dropped points. I mean we're probably near the top on that too...I think we're also decent at grabbing late goals ourselves but again not sure how many have been decisive (VP against Chelsea sticks-out).
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Asensio is a game maker not game changer. Subbing him on at 60 plus has not worked that well.
Worked perfectly vs BHA
Brugge too. Watkins had a huge impact off the bench v Soton recently. McGinn played well on the left v Brighton too. I'm sure Emery could point to his unbreakable faith in Rogers, even in that position, being vindicated of late too. So Disasi aside, criticising the others he brought on is after timing really.
My issue was replacing Ramsey which was ridiculous when clearly McGinn should have replaced Rogers on the right. Disasi coming on just gave the impression we were sitting in for the point. You know we can't build any patterns of play with him at RB, he struggled even with the throw ins! McGinn to protect Cash and then bring on Garcia if you must a bit later would have been better (why else have him on bench??)
To be honest I would have hooked Onana at half time for McGinn, pushed Rogers into the middle and Tielemans dropping back. There was a chance to really go at Citeh last night, even at half time
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Digne - normally reliable, gets caught too.
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Disappointing in the end, of course.
Bit of Torres bashing going on, but I thought he played well in the first half in particular, and didn’t think he was more or less to blame for their winner than any one of 4 or 5 players in the box.
Disasi put in a crunching tackle on Doku on 90 minutes, so was still feeling self-congratulatory when he got skinned a few minutes later. He doesn’t have Konza’s poise one on one with the attacker facing him (but seems fine when the attacker has his back to goal).
Poor mistake by Emi on the first goal. Whisper it, but that’s three in the space of a week.
Like others, not sure Unai got it all right last night in either setup or overall approach. We were a touch too negative, especially as the game wound down.
So that’s it, two avoidable mistakes from Emi and Disasi cost us, really.
All is still to play for, although the CL looks a little further away on the horizon than it did.
We’ll owe City for the Cup final, mind.
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Doku's touch wasn't great to start with, which might have tempted Disasi in a bit, but once he's beat, there are still a few of his mates who could have bailed him out.
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Ok... so...
We now have (pretty much) just one game a week until the end of the season, so there is no reason not to play our best defence (injuries permitting) and that is Cash, Konsa, Mings, Digne.
We also perform better, unsurprisingly, when we have time to prepare for games - the lower intensity schedule will help that...
After a bright start, our Jan signings have all taken a bit of a dip or disappeared totally - while they have served a purpose, I don't think I would be starting any of them in the coming games.
5 (hopefully 6) winnable games. We need to be on the front foot in all of them.
And please, please Unai - never play Desasi at right-back again.
I don’t think the point about the January signings is accurate. Asensio was very good against Newcastle on Saturday, he hasn’t scored for a few games, but his movement on and off the ball is excellent. Rashford scored last night, hit the post and was unlucky not to score from a tight angle after rounding the keeper. He was also excellent against PSG last week. Malen has 3 goals in the last few league games and has started to look a player.
All of them have an important contribution to make in the 5, hopefully 6 games we have left this season.
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Yeah, I thought the january signings comment was a bit harsh as well. Rashford, Malen and Ascensio have scored 13 between them. They're not going to do it every game.
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If Watkins had missed those chances last night I can imagine the grief he would be getting.
Asensio has been great when we are on top - not when trying to dig out a result.
Malen, I'll give you - I'd have started him last night instead of Rogers, who looks knackered and was getting nowhere trying to buy free kicks - some should have been given too, but he let the game get the better of him and could have been sent off as his frustration grew.
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They were 2 poor goals to concede collectively from the defensive point of view. All 5 + Emi could have done better for either.
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If Watkins had missed those chances last night I can imagine the grief he would be getting.
Asensio has been great when we are on top - not when trying to dig out a result.
Malen, I'll give you - I'd have started him last night instead of Rogers, who looks knackered and was getting nowhere trying to buy free kicks - some should have been given too, but he let the game get the better of him and could have been sent off as his frustration grew.
We were losing 1-0 to Chelsea when Asensio scored two. We were 0-0 vrs Cardiff when Asensio scored two. We were 1-1 away to Brugge when he scored a pen. He arguably altered the course of the home leg against Brugge.
I don’t think they were glaring misses for Rashford last night, he was unlucky.
Anyway, the point is they will all have a role to play in the next few weeks.
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We are but some of those goals were consolations (like Foden's at VP). They'd be better off showing the stat for late goals leading to dropped points. I mean we're probably near the top on that too...I think we're also decent at grabbing late goals ourselves but again not sure how many have been decisive (VP against Chelsea sticks-out).
I was thinking last night that most of those injury time goals can't have cost us points. The ones I remember costing us are Bournemouth, Forest, now last night. PSG first leg one too but not sure if it was league games only.
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If Bailey had turned in the performance Roger’s did last night he’d have been getting all sorts of pelters as well. He didn’t look happy being taken off but he was lucky not to get hooked earlier. I’m sure Unai will have a word.
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That ball from Doku was perfect and it split the Goalie and defence. He mis-controlled it, which gave Disasi a chance to win it, but Doku was too quick.
Mings wouldn't have let it past, whether that was a risk of an own goal or not.
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Need to win all 4 league games now . ManUre away you just know how that one will end
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That ball from Doku was perfect and it split the Goalie and defence. He mis-controlled it, which gave Disasi a chance to win it, but Doku was too quick.
Mings wouldn't have let it past, whether that was a risk of an own goal or not.
As much as Disasi could have done better there was a massive space behind him which one of his teammates should have been covering. Up to that point we’d done that well.
I think more disappointing than the dropped point is Man City getting all 3 as it gives them a bit of breathing space.
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If Watkins had missed those chances last night I can imagine the grief he would be getting.
what chances? rashford was unlucky with the post and the rounding of the keeper , didnt see any chances easily missed or for Asensio.
the defence cost us the defeat .
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No where near bold enough against a side incapable of laying a glove on us.
I dont expect Man City to be this poor again, but that doesn't seem to bother us at home when we go for them and beat them.
One day we'll go to Manchester and play our own game, disconnected from the name of the team we're playing. That day better be 25th May 2025.
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I'd rather say the midfield cost us, or even better the whole strategy for playing through their pressing game. It failed, and the defence was put under too much pressure and eventually cracked at the last. Despite the mistake or two involved in the goal, they shouldn't have had to spend that much time running backwards - eventually they were likely to get through.
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If Unai went for a point last night , Mings is the man for that , you play Pau if you want to win it with his passing , you play Mings cause he just gobbles everything up.
Maybe he was going for a win and then was trying to hang on at the end , as others have said , put Disasi as CB and switch Konsa to RB .
You also know if that Maatsen running down the wing like doku was , he would have been taken out by a city player and took a yellow .
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Disappointed we copied the PSG away strategy. That’s my biggest frustration. I don’t think it suits us at all.
I’d hope for Mings, McGinn and Watkins to start on Saturday. Now. A bit worried that Rogers may be overplayed.
Asensio seems to have lost his poise for a while. I like Rashford commitment but I think the team v Newcastle is the way forward.
Emi has parried shots all season. Not sure why.
Such a shame as we seemed to be the form side of the whole League until last night.
I don’t have the stats but it feels like we are always likely to ship a couple of goals with Torres whatever he adds to our attacking play. Mings and Konsa seemed to be formed a great understanding.
So frustrated with PSG away and last night . We seem to lack self belief to play our own game.
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We're an infinitely better side when we swing for the fences. We're Bazball, we're a honey badger, we're infinitely better on the front foot going at you. We had a better squad and XI than Man City last night. We didn't play like we believed that.
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No belief last night at all.
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Ok... so...
We now have (pretty much) just one game a week until the end of the season, so there is no reason not to play our best defence (injuries permitting) and that is Cash, Konsa, Mings, Digne.
We also perform better, unsurprisingly, when we have time to prepare for games - the lower intensity schedule will help that...
After a bright start, our Jan signings have all taken a bit of a dip or disappeared totally - while they have served a purpose, I don't think I would be starting any of them in the coming games.
5 (hopefully 6) winnable games. We need to be on the front foot in all of them.
And please, please Unai - never play Desasi at right-back again.
I don’t think the point about the January signings is accurate. Asensio was very good against Newcastle on Saturday, he hasn’t scored for a few games, but his movement on and off the ball is excellent. Rashford scored last night, hit the post and was unlucky not to score from a tight angle after rounding the keeper. He was also excellent against PSG last week. Malen has 3 goals in the last few league games and has started to look a player.
All of them have an important contribution to make in the 5, hopefully 6 games we have left this season.
Perhaps the sentiment ought to be that the 3 major January signings have a role to play until the end of the season.
But the jury is out with regard to them having shown enough to warrant making the signings permanent?
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Once your mindset is settling for a point your in trouble
We’ve never been good at seeing games out, it’s set in our DNA our psyche to blow it late on and it’s something even Unai hasn’t been able to get on top of
Others have said it’s about belief and I think that’s true
The fans had more belief in the team than the players/manager did last night
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seemed like we didn't have a go 2nd half at all really .
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I can definitely see the points about mentality, which are backed up by the evidence of there being too many late goals against this season, but the players must be tired, physically and mentally after such a run of games too. We've been so good of late it was disappointing to see us being so conservative, especially in the second half.
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Reminded me of the Arsenal away match last season - but with a different outcome. It could have been the defining game in our run-in.
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I'm aware that one mistake is all it takes at the very top level but it wasn't as if Doku was skipping past Disasi every time he got the ball, he did it once, that was enough and Disasis's body shape was awful for that but I feel there still should have been enough cover to do a better job of preventing the goal.
All in all, a pretty poor game with few chances. Fine margins.
I alluded to that in my post a page or so back, once he’d skinned Disasi what the fuck were the rest of them doing?
Torres did all he could to avoid a chance of an own goal on the cross, gutless frankly. Digne caught on his heels at back post. Not sure exactly where Konsa our RCB went to or Kamara even. Awful goal to concede.
But you could see why Guardiola put on Doku to target Disasi. Doku is a bit brain dead I find but they were trying to draw Disasi away from the safety of the 18 yard box into positions he simply isn't comfortable, full back.
The first one was terrible too, after such a strong start. Cash caught initially far too narrow on the first ball, an error you would typically see Konsa/Disasi/Mellberg/Cuellar make but Cash should have no excuse. He's usually tight there so it stops the winger getting a run on him to start with. Didn't happen and he gets skinned. Not sure what Konsa is at on the cross, sits up lovely for Silva to finish but he makes a mess of it. Martinez somehow throws it in when he could have put his cap on it.
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I think we're a better side with Watkins up front than Rashford, who's an inside forward not a centre forward.
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I think we're a better side with Watkins up front than Rashford, who's an inside forward not a centre forward.
We're a better side with Mings, McGinn and Watkins in. And therein lies the next challenge. How do you replace these players over the next couple of years and stay with FFP?
Rashford, Ascensio, Disasi, Torres and Onana, as useful as they are, have not proven to be a clear upgrade on what we already have.
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I think we're a better side with Watkins up front than Rashford, who's an inside forward not a centre forward.
Which is where Rashford played for us initially, with some success as well, assist wise. It would certainly be a signal of intent to play Rashford on the left and Watkins through the middle but Unai obviously thinks it leaves us too open and not in control, not particularly for this game but in general.
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I think we're a better side with Watkins up front than Rashford, who's an inside forward not a centre forward.
We're a better side with Mings, McGinn and Watkins in. And therein lies the next challenge. How do you replace these players over the next couple of years and stay with FFP?
Rashford, Ascensio, Disasi, Torres and Onana, as useful as they are, have not proven to be a clear upgrade on what we already have.
Rashford replaced Duran. Asensio replaced Buendia, Disasi replaced Carlos and Onana I suppose replaced Luiz, but in a different way so it's hard to compare.
I'd say that we improved the quality significantly based on what we've seen so far.
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Was surprised when Ollie was left out, but should have been given at least 30 mins and also not giving Maatsen, after his superb display on Saturday, any game time was totally baffling.
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We're an infinitely better side when we swing for the fences. We're Bazball, we're a honey badger, we're infinitely better on the front foot going at you. We had a better squad and XI than Man City last night. We didn't play like we believed that.
Absolutely. After PSG at home and then Newcastle I thought we'd finally shake the inferiority complex and have a go like we thought we belonged. But no, it was like our preparation involved the team watching videos of Pep's greatest Man City wins, rather than how to dismantle this season's flaky version.
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I do think a bit of perspective is needed sometimes. At 5-1 down, we nearly turned PSG over in the Champions League quarter final and on Saturday, we battered a decent Newcastle side 4-1 and hit the woodwork 3 times. Last night, we lost by a last minute goal.
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I think we're a better side with Watkins up front than Rashford, who's an inside forward not a centre forward.
We're a better side with Mings, McGinn and Watkins in. And therein lies the next challenge. How do you replace these players over the next couple of years and stay with FFP?
Rashford, Ascensio, Disasi, Torres and Onana, as useful as they are, have not proven to be a clear upgrade on what we already have.
Rashford replaced Duran. Asensio replaced Buendia, Disasi replaced Carlos and Onana I suppose replaced Luiz, but in a different way so it's hard to compare.
I'd say that we improved the quality significantly based on what we've seen so far.
We're kind of agreeing then. The (expensive) recent signings may have improved the squad, but they're not automatic first choice starters. If we want to be more certain of future Champions League qualifications then new major signings need to be.
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I think the fact we are still in with a chance of CL football and in an FA Cup semi final shows we are more than a decent team. Considering we played with a small squad up to January with games every few days also shows this squad have given everything.
Emery has worked wonders keeping us in the hunt and within 2 games of winning a cup. European football nearly guaranteed next season as well. What a fantastic few years we’ve had.
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I think we're a better side with Watkins up front than Rashford, who's an inside forward not a centre forward.
We're a better side with Mings, McGinn and Watkins in. And therein lies the next challenge. How do you replace these players over the next couple of years and stay with FFP?
Rashford, Ascensio, Disasi, Torres and Onana, as useful as they are, have not proven to be a clear upgrade on what we already have.
Rashford replaced Duran. Asensio replaced Buendia, Disasi replaced Carlos and Onana I suppose replaced Luiz, but in a different way so it's hard to compare.
I'd say that we improved the quality significantly based on what we've seen so far.
Indeed. It's arguable whether our current first 11 beats last season's first 11, but the squad is quite clearly much stronger now than it was then.
We are able to put out a side now that is capable of beating anyone on any given day. The next stage of our evolution is ensuring the standard doesn't drop too much when we rotate so we can compete on all fronts, and we're getting close to that, I think.
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Was surprised when Ollie was left out, but should have been given at least 30 mins and also not giving Maatsen, after his superb display on Saturday, any game time was totally baffling.
Suggests to me Watkins is starting Saturday and Rashford will come off the bench especially if pens are looming
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Squad is much better this season. No question
We have had more injuries and being honest Emi, Konsa and Watkins haven't hit the heights of last season despite all making significant contributions.
There is no comparison in quality when it comes to who we faced in Europe this season compared to last season. Plus more games in domestic Cups than last season albeit v similar quality.
Start of season I thought - CL last 16 + Top 6 + SF of one domestic cup would be a very good season.
Top 5 or FA Cup would be a great season.
Top 5 + FA Cup would be an exceptional one.
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I do think a bit of perspective is needed sometimes. At 5-1 down, we nearly turned PSG over in the Champions League quarter final and on Saturday, we battered a decent Newcastle side 4-1 and hit the woodwork 3 times. Last night, we lost by a last minute goal.
Thanks for this. Sometimes forum needs to be reminded. There is far too much crap being spouted on here about wrong tactics, wrong selection, feeble, passive etc etc.
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I’m not sure it’s crap - you can have perspective, but also realise we didn’t really get it right last night.
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I think we're a better side with Watkins up front than Rashford, who's an inside forward not a centre forward.
Both have their strengths but neither are effective feeding off scraps.
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Was surprised when Ollie was left out, but should have been given at least 30 mins and also not giving Maatsen, after his superb display on Saturday, any game time was totally baffling.
Watkins never seems as effective when he comes on as sub compared to when he starts. I imagine he will start at Wembley.
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He was very good off the bench at Southampton, mind.
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Disasi doesn't look comfortable as a full back. He may get there in time but an important run in doesn't feel like the best time to try and get someone else's player there.
My Chelsea-supporting mates told me when we brought him that he's a decent CB but not to play him at RB 'cos he's rubbish in that role!
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Asensio is a game maker not game changer. Subbing him on at 60 plus has not worked that well.
Worked perfectly vs BHA
Brugge too. Watkins had a huge impact off the bench v Soton recently. McGinn played well on the left v Brighton too. I'm sure Emery could point to his unbreakable faith in Rogers, even in that position, being vindicated of late too. So Disasi aside, criticising the others he brought on is after timing really.
My issue was replacing Ramsey which was ridiculous when clearly McGinn should have replaced Rogers on the right. Disasi coming on just gave the impression we were sitting in for the point. You know we can't build any patterns of play with him at RB, he struggled even with the throw ins! McGinn to protect Cash and then bring on Garcia if you must a bit later would have been better (why else have him on bench??)
To be honest I would have hooked Onana at half time for McGinn, pushed Rogers into the middle and Tielemans dropping back. There was a chance to really go at Citeh last night, even at half time
Agree with all of that. I was all for getting Rogers off but Onana was not making much impact either.
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Disasi doesn't look comfortable as a full back. He may get there in time but an important run in doesn't feel like the best time to try and get someone else's player there.
My Chelsea-supporting mates told me when we brought him that he's a decent CB but not to play him at RB 'cos he's rubbish in that role!
Doku's first touch was poor yet he still managed to beat Disasi to the ball. He seems a bit muscle bound, slow out of the blocks , once he gets going he's fast though and we see that in the lunging tackles . He's not a keeper .
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Doku's control was shite but ironically and fucking frustratingly for us, it's what did for Disasi who over-committed in response.
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Disasi doesn't look comfortable as a full back. He may get there in time but an important run in doesn't feel like the best time to try and get someone else's player there.
My Chelsea-supporting mates told me when we brought him that he's a decent CB but not to play him at RB 'cos he's rubbish in that role!
Exactly the same comment from the Chelsea fans I spoke to.
He is not a Right Back, it’s MON Carlos Cuellar scenario, except this manager had more options.
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Doku's control was shite but ironically and fucking frustratingly for us, it's what did for Disasi who over-committed in response.
Not quick and nimble enough , the ball was loose but he wasn't quick enough and then doku was in his rear view mirrors
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Doku's control was shite but ironically and fucking frustratingly for us, it's what did for Disasi who over-committed in response.
Not quick and nimble enough , the ball was loose but he wasn't quick enough and then doku was in his rear view mirrors
Quick and nimble are not words I would associate with Disasi.
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Doku's control was shite but ironically and fucking frustratingly for us, it's what did for Disasi who over-committed in response.
Not quick and nimble enough , the ball was loose but he wasn't quick enough and then doku was in his rear view mirrors
Quick and nimble are not words I would associate with Disasi.
Signed as an emergency cover CB , UE using some artistic licence which he will reflect on no doubt .
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I had £5 on the draw at 14/5. I am personally going to ask Disasi for my nineteen quid
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Was surprised when Ollie was left out, but should have been given at least 30 mins and also not giving Maatsen, after his superb display on Saturday, any game time was totally baffling.
Watkins never seems as effective when he comes on as sub compared to when he starts. I imagine he will start at Wembley.
I agree, I also think Rashford seems to set the cat among the pigeons more coming on late. I’d definitely go the other way round. Especially considering we could end up with penalties.
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Was surprised when Ollie was left out, but should have been given at least 30 mins and also not giving Maatsen, after his superb display on Saturday, any game time was totally baffling.
Watkins never seems as effective when he comes on as sub compared to when he starts. I imagine he will start at Wembley.
I agree, I also think Rashford seems to set the cat among the pigeons more coming on late. I’d definitely go the other way round. Especially considering we could end up with penalties.
The P word, having palpitations at the thought
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Been away from my computer for a few days!
Both goals conceded the other night were down to defenders and goalkeeper not doing their jobs properly. This should have been ironed out months ago IMHO? It was a deflating result but fortunately I don't think it will have a bearing on Saturday?