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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Smirker on August 13, 2023, 01:43:45 AM
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Kick off Sunday 20th August, 2pm.
Yes I know it's a little bit early but time to forget what happened yesterday.
Massive game and I think there will be a very good atmosphere.
Onwards and upwards for Unai's powerful Villa.
FTF
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0-2.
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3:1 Believing in Uni, means he will sort Saturdays mess in quick time. The dreadful injuries could be a blessing in disguise he will find an alternative organiser for the defence.
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0-0
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0-2.
Cheery soul you eh
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0-2.
Cheery soul you eh
I think Legion goes for 0-2 in every pre match, mate.
I was going to put 5-0 to Everton whilst in a furious mood this morning. I'd only had about 3 hours sleep and am now being expected to enjoy hiking and family time 😂
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"Pre-match"
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Never knew there was a hyphen.
Cheers mate 😂
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2-0, Watkins, Diaby.
Martinez
Cash Konsa. Torres. Digne
Luiz. Kamara
Tielemans
Diaby. McGinn
Watkins
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Never knew there was a hyphen.
Cheers mate 😂
Pre-match or prematch for me. Pre is a prefix and exists to be affixed.
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Big game. Need a big response and a win.
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Big game. Need a big response and a win.
Yes, 3-0
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Obviously, a rampant funeralling of Everton with tactics applied correctly is going to reassure everybody that we have a chance of progress this season.
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Kick off Sunday 20th August, 2pm.
Yes I know it's a little bit early but time to forget what happened yesterday.
Massive game and I think there will be a very good atmosphere.
Onwards and upwards for Unai's powerful Villa.
FTF
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I can not believe you have done this. It is a known and accepted convention that I start the Everton home match thread. It’s one of those unwritten rules that everyone respects and you have basically destroyed it with your impatience and petulant eagerness. Furthermore it is always the norm to start next weekend match thread no earlier than preceding Tuesday so this is another crime against forumkind.
Don’t be surprised if a life time ban is your punishment!
Angry-From Castle Bromwich
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Yes but "Prematch Thread" sounds like a cracking name for a band.
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Yes but "Prematch Thread" sounds like a cracking name for a band.
I've seen the tribute band Pre-match thread.
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0-2.
Cheery soul you eh
I think Legion goes for 0-2 in every pre match, mate.
This.
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I'm not going to predict this until Fri/Sat as my mood is still affected by yesterday so i would post an irrational scoreline
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Too soon.
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You lot owe me an apology when we win 6-0.
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You lot owe me an apology when we win 6-0.
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You’ll be banned if we lose.
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Crap poll as well. It's obviously only a scorchio if we score.
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Fucking hell. 7 people think Everton are going to win. Everton? At Villa Park. Amazing how shaken confidence becomes after a defeat
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So, defensive choices then.
Central defence:
Konsa - Torres
Carlos - Torres
Konsa - Carlos
Or Konsa right back, Carlos - Torres
There are worries for me with all the combinations. Carlos and Torres both have almost no Premier League experience, so to chuck them into together would be a big risk. But then can Konsa be trusted without Mings to organise the defence and lead the unit?
Also both Torres and Carlos look quite slow, so is having a couple of plodders in the middle going to make playing the high line even riskier?
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3-0 to the good guys
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Our record v Everton since promotion is 6 wins and two draws.
So we match up very well against them regardless of respective form.
They hardly have anything upfront and Michael Keane in the backline so we should be winning this 3-1.
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Fucking hell. 7 people think Everton are going to win. Everton? At Villa Park. Amazing how shaken confidence becomes after a defeat
I think we'll win but Dyche will fancy his chances. They played well yesterday and just didn't score through a combination of some poor finishing, poor officiating and excellent goalkeeping. Dyche is also no mug, and will try to expose our weaknesses.
Having said all that, still think we'll win 2-0.
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2-0 win, a return to normality. UTV
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Martinez
Digne
Torres
Carlos
Konsa
Kamara
Tielemans
McGinn
Luiz
Diaby
Watkins
3-1 to us
Torres, Watkins x2
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So, defensive choices then.
Central defence:
Konsa - Torres
Carlos - Torres
Konsa - Carlos
Or Konsa right back, Carlos - Torres
There are worries for me with all the combinations. Carlos and Torres both have almost no Premier League experience, so to chuck them into together would be a big risk. But then can Konsa be trusted without Mings to organise the defence and lead the unit?
Also both Torres and Carlos look quite slow, so is having a couple of plodders in the middle going to make playing the high line even riskier?
Think the communication between Carlos and Torres might be a bit better. so would go with them, if we cant test them at home to Everton it's all the one. Neal Maupay up front for them so we wont need a speedster to maintain the high line anyway. Pick a team ready for a battle and make examples of a few of them for their performances in the Newcastle debacle. Most importantly, return the team to the shape that was so successful last season. If the Donk is fit then Id put him back in, if not Kamara sent back in with his ears ringing.
------Martinez
Cash, Carlos, Torres, Digne
-----Luiz, Donk
McGinn-----Tielemans
Diaby, Watkins
Olsen, Chambers, Konsa, Kamara, Coutinho, Archer, Philogene (any more due back from injury?)
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When will Ramsey and Moreno be back??
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Hopefully they will be back for the 2024/25 season. We don’t do short term injuries!
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When will Ramsey and Moreno be back??
September
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I’m expecting us to bounce back v Everton so a draw it is then!!
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I'm not convinced that we'll see a Carlos/Pau partnership at kick off (kickoff? kick-off?). Seeing Chambers start seems more likely a prospect.
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Jack Harrison, he didn't join cos you're shit.
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“Shit Jack, you’re super shit, shit Jack you’re super shit, shitty Jacky Harrison”
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Text my Everton st holder mate and said Sunday is a 6pt relegation dog fight :)
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Jack Harrison, he only joined because we didn't want him as he's not good enough for us.
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Covered myself nicely with those 2 posts.
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Text my Everton st holder mate and said Sunday is a 6pt relegation dog fight :)
We’ll be saying mind the gap in a few weeks
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Just watched the highlights of Everton v Fulham match. There is no way Everton are going to miss so many chances against us, if we give them similar chances. I also think that we should forget playing the high line for the time being with different personnel now going to be used in our back 4. Don’t think we have the pace there to play that system.
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Just watched the highlights of Everton v Fulham match. There is no way Everton are going to miss so many chances against us, if we give them similar chances. I also think that we should forget playing the high line for the time being with different personnel now going to be used in our back 4. Don’t think we have the pace there to play that system.
Let’s not panic - it was a really bad game, clearly. But it was also at one of the hardest places to go in the league. Even on top form it would have been a bloody hard game.
Everton at home is completely different and they should be worried about what we can do. That’s not to say we dismiss them as a threat, they’re a top flight side. But we will be much better and if we perform we have way too much for them.
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Everton might as well funeral themselves before they get here.
A pre-funeralling funeralling.
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Just watched the highlights of Everton v Fulham match. There is no way Everton are going to miss so many chances against us, if we give them similar chances. I also think that we should forget playing the high line for the time being with different personnel now going to be used in our back 4. Don’t think we have the pace there to play that system.
You watched the best of Everton and they still lost. You watched the worst of us. Let’s not now make out Everton are our level. They’re shit, we’re not. We are going to bury them next weekend.
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TV, I’ve been around football long enough to know you should never underestimate anyone that plays at the same level. Look back to see how many were saying we were going to win by this margin and that margin against Newcastle. I love the Villa but am also a realist. Was hoping for a draw on Saturday and, am going for a win v Everton but won’t count my chickens until I witness it on Sunday.
I’m also bearing in mind that we’ve had shit injuries to a few of our influential players and, keeping fingers crossed that their replacements will perform at a good level. Whatever the outcome, I’ll still be there supporting the lads for the rest of the season and beyond.
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We all will.
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Carlos and Torres both have almost no Premier League experience, so to chuck them into together would be a big risk.
If that's how it works, should England take more of a Premier League approach in international games where the opponents' central defenders have no PL experience or is debuting foreigners' supposed inability to cope all down to differences in the refereeing or the weather or something else unique to England? And why do they do fine playing against Villa early in the season?
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Sorry, I only have a basic command of gibberish and that’s beaten me.
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TV, I’ve been around football long enough to know you should never underestimate anyone that plays at the same level. Look back to see how many were saying we were going to win by this margin and that margin against Newcastle. I love the Villa but am also a realist. Was hoping for a draw on Saturday and, am going for a win v Everton but won’t count my chickens until I witness it on Sunday.
I’m also bearing in mind that we’ve had shit injuries to a few of our influential players and, keeping fingers crossed that their replacements will perform at a good level. Whatever the outcome, I’ll still be there supporting the lads for the rest of the season and beyond.
Everyone is entitled to how they feel today. But I won’t let one game shake the confidence I had coming into the season. It is also obviously a massive blow losing two influential players from last season. But overall we are still very much a strong group with a top manager. Last year having been beaten by Arsenal and Leicester conceding loads of goals Emery found a way to quickly correct that and the odd game aside had us go on an incredible run to secure from a position literally nobody thought it possible. So yes today is shit because of yesterday. But we will bounce back. By the time the window shuts we will have strengthened the squad, and we will set about having a brilliant season domestically and abroad. Maybe I will have egg on my face when we look back on this but I don’t think so.
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Everton missed a score of chances against Fulham
Lets hope they don't find their shooting boots
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Well I’m hoping they won’t be able to find their shooting boots because they’ll be forced to defend so much. I think some people were ludicrously over optimistic with the game against Newcastle and I now see the opposite happening here. I won’t go as far as TV on this, partly because he’s become a Jonah! They need to be respected, but if we get near our level we should win.
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Unai will rip them all a new one. We’ll bounce back with style. 27-0.
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Sorry, I only have a basic command of gibberish and that’s beaten me.
Lol.
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TV, good answer and, of course, hope you are right.
UTV.
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When will Ramsey and Moreno be back??
September
I think Moreno could sneak in end of August but hard to see us just throwing him into Liverpool away so he'll be more sub minutes and then hopefully ready to start v Palace after two week international break.
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Think we might struggle with Dycheball without the strength and aerial ability of Mings.
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Think we might struggle with Dycheball without the strength and aerial ability of Mings.
I think it's touch and go if Calvert-Lewin is fit for them. We should be able to deal with Maupay, but DCL against Torres and Carlos might cause problems with his height.
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Think we might struggle with Dycheball without the strength and aerial ability of Mings.
I think it's touch and go if Calvert-Lewin is fit for them. We should be able to deal with Maupay, but DCL against Torres and Carlos might cause problems with his height.
Carlos will eat him alive and spit his bones out in the direction of the traveling Toffees.
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Confidence severely dented but fingers crossed.
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5-1 home win.
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I'm not going to predict this until Fri/Sat as my mood is still affected by yesterday so i would post an irrational scoreline
The last thing we need is people posting irrational scorelines on such a meaningful thread. Take the time you need to cleanse your psyche, and we'll all look forward to reading on Friday, "2-1. It'll be cagey but we should have enough on the day."
Never forget that this matters.
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-------------------------------------Martinez---Marchall------------------------------
Cash------Konsa------- Chambers------Carlos---------Torres-------------Digne
-----------------------Kamara------------Luiz-----------McGinn----------------------
I think we need to keep this one tight, a clean sheet being most important after Saturday.
0-0
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So, defensive choices then.
Central defence:
Konsa - Torres
Carlos - Torres
Konsa - Carlos
Or Konsa right back, Carlos - Torres
There are worries for me with all the combinations. Carlos and Torres both have almost no Premier League experience, so to chuck them into together would be a big risk. But then can Konsa be trusted without Mings to organise the defence and lead the unit?
Also both Torres and Carlos look quite slow, so is having a couple of plodders in the middle going to make playing the high line even riskier?
Torres - Carlos - Konsa as our back 3.
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Carlos and Torres both have almost no Premier League experience, so to chuck them into together would be a big risk.
If that's how it works, should England take more of a Premier League approach in international games where the opponents' central defenders have no PL experience or is debuting foreigners' supposed inability to cope all down to differences in the refereeing or the weather or something else unique to England? And why do they do fine playing against Villa early in the season?
The poster is saying you are talking load of gonads, by writing in that well known bollixish script.
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We’ll win.
Drop Bailey.
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We’ll win.
If we
Drop Bailey.
FT
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Based on last showing I would go
Martinez - Chambers, Carlos, Torres, Digne - Kamara (6), Luiz(7), Tielemans (8.) - Diaby, Watkins, McGinn/Couthinho (Zaniolo).
The making of a new ballplaying defense. Chambers best we have at RB after all (If Chambers get injuried - try Carlos there and put Konsa back in at RCB).
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So, defensive choices then.
Central defence:
Konsa - Torres
Carlos - Torres
Konsa - Carlos
Or Konsa right back, Carlos - Torres
There are worries for me with all the combinations. Carlos and Torres both have almost no Premier League experience, so to chuck them into together would be a big risk. But then can Konsa be trusted without Mings to organise the defence and lead the unit?
Also both Torres and Carlos look quite slow, so is having a couple of plodders in the middle going to make playing the high line even riskier?
Torres - Carlos - Konsa as our back 3.
Please, just please...No! Cash and Digne as wing backs would be rancid too. Against the might of Everton too.
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I'd drop Cash Bailey and Kamara and replace with Chambers Jaden and Tielemans .
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I think our back is going to be disrupted enough with Mings out, and possible Carlos replacing Konsa. I'd leave Cash and Digne where they are. Maybe stop asking Cash to do what Moreno does and just let him defend for the next couple of games.
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Emi M
Cash
Konza
Carlos
Torres
Luiz
Kamara
Tielemans
McGinn
Watkins
Diaby
Diamond in the middle.
We will be far too strong at home for Everton.
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Where is Zaniolo going to play?
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2-1 Villa win.
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It's hyperbole to say the season has already come off the rails but the optimism felt this time last week has taken a severe blow. Equally it's naive to think that everything will go as swimmingly as it did towards the end of the last season so setbacks are more than likely and as has been pointed out, it's now about how we react. I think we'll react well, but not well enough. I see this rocky patch continuing for a little while longer but we'll come good again.
1-1
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I'd bring Chambers in for this one. Torres / Diego don't look up to speed . We need a win and an ugly 1-0 would be fine. Players need to roll their sleeves up and prepare for a battle as this will be a physical game .
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Nah the only way players get up to speed is playing.
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I'd bring Chambers in for this one. Torres / Diego don't look up to speed . We need a win and an ugly 1-0 would be fine. Players need to roll their sleeves up and prepare for a battle as this will be a physical game .
Chambers is hopeless at LCB.
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Two aims for this one: win, avoid any major injuries, decent performance three! Three aims for this one...
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I'd drop Cash Bailey and Kamara and replace with Chambers Jaden and Tielemans .
Drop Bailey?, he's starting to get on my******* nerves
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I'd bring Chambers in for this one. Torres / Diego don't look up to speed . We need a win and an ugly 1-0 would be fine. Players need to roll their sleeves up and prepare for a battle as this will be a physical game .
You mean that Carlos and Torres who are world class players are NOT up to speed, and we should bring in a journeyman to play instead? Yes that makes sense.
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I'd bring Chambers in for this one. Torres / Diego don't look up to speed . We need a win and an ugly 1-0 would be fine. Players need to roll their sleeves up and prepare for a battle as this will be a physical game .
You mean that Carlos and Torres who are world class players are NOT up to speed, and we should bring in a journeyman to play instead? Yes that makes sense.
Its also sounds very Brucesque, roll our sleeves up, pull our socks up, there or there abouts. Despite last Saturday, Unai will have a better plan I’m sure.
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I'd bring Chambers in for this one. Torres / Diego don't look up to speed . We need a win and an ugly 1-0 would be fine. Players need to roll their sleeves up and prepare for a battle as this will be a physical game .
Do you know someone who's got a football bingo card to fill?
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5 0 goal difference back up
diaby 2
luis
mcginn
JPB
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5 0 goal difference back up
diaby 2
luis
mcginn
JPB
5 goals and none for Watkins!
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I'd bring Chambers in for this one. Torres / Diego don't look up to speed . We need a win and an ugly 1-0 would be fine. Players need to roll their sleeves up and prepare for a battle as this will be a physical game .
I am glad Unai is picking the team
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I'd bring Chambers in for this one. Torres / Diego don't look up to speed . We need a win and an ugly 1-0 would be fine. Players need to roll their sleeves up and prepare for a battle as this will be a physical game .
You mean that Carlos and Torres who are world class players are NOT up to speed, and we should bring in a journeyman to play instead? Yes that makes sense.
😂
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Everton are very limited and will most likely try to make it a fragmented and scrappy game. If we get into our rhythm then we'll be fine.
2-1 us.
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To be fair to Chambers, he actually looked pretty good when he played in pre-season. But then so did just about everybody, then Saturday happened.
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Martinez, Cash, Carlos, Torres, Digne, Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Diaby, Watkins
Lets just play Carlos/Torres, they cost a lot of money and came with good reputations, we need to play them. Everton at home, Burnley away, Palace at home and a couple of euro games against Hibs should be a not too difficult run to bed them in.
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I'm going 3-0.
Everton look like they couldn't hit Tescos with a car, and even allowing for some defensive wobbles from us I don't think they'll punish it the way Newcastle could.
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I'd go:
Martinez
Cash Konsa Torres Digne
McGinn Tielemans Luiz Philogene-Bidace
Diaby Watkins
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I reckon what he actually will do is agree with your Konsa and my Kamara, so no Carlos and Bidace.
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I reckon what he actually will do is agree with your Konsa and my Kamara, so no Carlos and Bidace.
Entirely possible.
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Ok so nobody liked my Chambers plan.
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He did have a good game against Lazio the other week, and he did well in that first few months after he signed but i'd still have him down the pecking order. I think it'll be Torres and one from Konsa and Carlos, but i'd like to see Carlos get some chances early on as we still haven't had a good look at him yet.
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Martinez, Cash, Carlos, Torres, Digne, Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Diaby, Watkins
Lets just play Carlos/Torres, they cost a lot of money and came with good reputations, we need to play them. Everton at home, Burnley away, Palace at home and a couple of euro games against Hibs should be a not too difficult run to bed them in.
In total agreement with you. Also if there were any option at all to drop Kamara like for the Donk or even Chambers I'd be for that. Just think it would send the right message to the whole squad that the performance last weekend was completely unacceptable to see the likes of Konsa and Kamara dropped. They certainly couldn't have any complaints.
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Is Dendoncker still injured? And Duran? If so, what is exactly wrong with them? 1-1.
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Martinez, Cash, Carlos, Torres, Digne, Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Diaby, Watkins
Lets just play Carlos/Torres, they cost a lot of money and came with good reputations, we need to play them. Everton at home, Burnley away, Palace at home and a couple of euro games against Hibs should be a not too difficult run to bed them in.
In total agreement with you. Also if there were any option at all to drop Kamara like for the Donk or even Chambers I'd be for that. Just think it would send the right message to the whole squad that the performance last weekend was completely unacceptable to see the likes of Konsa and Kamara dropped. They certainly couldn't have any complaints.
How managers react to a defeat like that is very important, Gerrard would come out and say there will be major changes,pick the same team and fail again.
UE has no choice, he has to solve the centre half situation but what he does with the rest is any ones guess.
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Martinez, Cash, Carlos, Torres, Digne, Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Diaby, Watkins
Lets just play Carlos/Torres, they cost a lot of money and came with good reputations, we need to play them. Everton at home, Burnley away, Palace at home and a couple of euro games against Hibs should be a not too difficult run to bed them in.
In total agreement with you. Also if there were any option at all to drop Kamara like for the Donk or even Chambers I'd be for that. Just think it would send the right message to the whole squad that the performance last weekend was completely unacceptable to see the likes of Konsa and Kamara dropped. They certainly couldn't have any complaints.
How managers react to a defeat like that is very important, Gerrard would come out and say there will be major changes,pick the same team and fail again.
UE has no choice, he has to solve the centre half situation but what he does with the rest is any ones guess.
I doubt there will be wholesale changes. However poor Kamara was last week, its very rare if ever that Emery has chosen Donk ahead of him, usually just because the former is injured. Dendonker also hasn’t had a pre season, so despite the fact he’s never really let us down imo, I would just find it very strange if this were to happen.
Obviously Torres for Mings, possibly Carlos for Konsa, but as the week goes on I think this less likely. Despite Konsa’s howler arguably costing us the match, he also made one incredible recovery tackle later on.
I would think Bailey would be out and either Bidace or Coutinho as a straight swap or Tielemans with McGinn moving out wide, this would be my preference, as we would have all our midfield big guns on the pitch for a game we need to dominate.
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Will he be stubborn and start Bailey again
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Will he be stubborn and start Bailey again
It’s not stubbornness though is it? People might not agree, but if he picks him it’s because he thinks he’s the right option.
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I don't rate Bailey that highly myself but he wasn't even on the pitch when we capitulated on Saturday. Tielemans came on at half time when we were still very much in the game and did nothing. I know it was his first run out and people have been tired of Bailey for a long time, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like it to be.
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I don't rate Bailey that highly myself but he wasn't even on the pitch when we capitulated on Saturday. Tielemans came on at half time when we were still very much in the game and did nothing. I know it was his first run out and people have been tired of Bailey for a long time, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like it to be.
You do realise Tielemans (who you bizarrely keep bringing up) wasn't the only sub we made?
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I don't rate Bailey that highly myself but he wasn't even on the pitch when we capitulated on Saturday. Tielemans came on at half time when we were still very much in the game and did nothing. I know it was his first run out and people have been tired of Bailey for a long time, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like it to be.
The capitulation started in the 1st minute
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I don't rate Bailey that highly myself but he wasn't even on the pitch when we capitulated on Saturday. Tielemans came on at half time when we were still very much in the game and did nothing. I know it was his first run out and people have been tired of Bailey for a long time, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like it to be.
The capitulation started in the 1st minute
Thats rubbish really isn’t it.
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I don't rate Bailey that highly myself but he wasn't even on the pitch when we capitulated on Saturday. Tielemans came on at half time when we were still very much in the game and did nothing. I know it was his first run out and people have been tired of Bailey for a long time, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like it to be.
The capitulation started in the 1st minute
Thats rubbish really isn’t it.
well no, we looked fragile every time they came forwards . The midfield was being overrun from the start .
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1-1
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Carlos and Torres are big boys now, experienced and expensive too, and should be up to the responsibility and challenge of starting together in this game. That said, I do think it would be harsh on Konsa to drop him, after just one bad game, especially given all that was unfolding in that game. So he too deserves to be given the responsibility and challenge of playing alongside a new centre back. So I'd have Konsa and Torres at centre back, and Cash and Digne full backs.
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I don't rate Bailey that highly myself but he wasn't even on the pitch when we capitulated on Saturday. Tielemans came on at half time when we were still very much in the game and did nothing. I know it was his first run out and people have been tired of Bailey for a long time, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like it to be.
The capitulation started in the 1st minute
Thats rubbish really isn’t it.
well no, we looked fragile every time they came forwards . The midfield was being overrun from the start .
And they also looked vulnerable to us when we attacked, capitulation from the 1st minute indicates that we weren’t in the game at all, which isn’t accurate.
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Is Dendoncker still injured? And Duran? If so, what is exactly wrong with them? 1-1.
Donx is on Daddy-leave.
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I don't rate Bailey that highly myself but he wasn't even on the pitch when we capitulated on Saturday. Tielemans came on at half time when we were still very much in the game and did nothing. I know it was his first run out and people have been tired of Bailey for a long time, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like it to be.
You do realise Tielemans (who you bizarrely keep bringing up) wasn't the only sub we made?
But he was the player who came on for Bailey, which makes it extremely appropriate to mention him in this conversation, and every other time people are acting like Bailey was the main reason we lost on Saturday.
Your insistence on defending Tielemans against an imaginary grudge is quite funny.
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Martinez, Cash, Carlos, Torres, Digne, Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Diaby, Watkins
Lets just play Carlos/Torres, they cost a lot of money and came with good reputations, we need to play them. Everton at home, Burnley away, Palace at home and a couple of euro games against Hibs should be a not too difficult run to bed them in.
In total agreement with you. Also if there were any option at all to drop Kamara like for the Donk or even Chambers I'd be for that. Just think it would send the right message to the whole squad that the performance last weekend was completely unacceptable to see the likes of Konsa and Kamara dropped. They certainly couldn't have any complaints.
How managers react to a defeat like that is very important, Gerrard would come out and say there will be major changes,pick the same team and fail again.
UE has no choice, he has to solve the centre half situation but what he does with the rest is any ones guess.
Think we all realised Gerrard, aswell as being tactically inept, was a complete spoofer that time. Was it away at Newcastle too?
Tricky one for UE, hard decision to replace Mings and more importantly his presence at the back, I don't think it's as simple as swapping Torres in. Dycheball could have a field day on Konsa/Torres, I'd like to see Carlos come in for that reason alone.
If reports are correct we are trying to move on our LB from last week so that might give him an out to try Torres there. UE made a complete mess of the midfield setup last week but there isn't an obvious replacement for Ramsey really in that role on the left either.
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Is Dendoncker still injured? And Duran? If so, what is exactly wrong with them? 1-1.
Donx is on Daddy-leave.
Bloody modern men - firm handshake, large scotch, pat on the back, possibly a cigar then back to work in the good old days
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I don't rate Bailey that highly myself but he wasn't even on the pitch when we capitulated on Saturday. Tielemans came on at half time when we were still very much in the game and did nothing. I know it was his first run out and people have been tired of Bailey for a long time, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like it to be.
You do realise Tielemans (who you bizarrely keep bringing up) wasn't the only sub we made?
But he was the player who came on for Bailey, which makes it extremely appropriate to mention him in this conversation, and every other time people are acting like Bailey was the main reason we lost on Saturday.
Your insistence on defending Tielemans against an imaginary grudge is quite funny.
Its not me getting on a new players back after his first 45 minutes. There were also another 10 players out there. Your wierd fixation on one player is very odd.
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Dyche will have them try to bully us with crap like Tarkowski, Keane et al and big buggers in the middle such as Onana and Decoure and he would of seen how this worked against Newsaudi.
We need to play through them which we have been (up till Saturday) really good at. Also we need to be clever with the industrial arial bombardment we should expect.
Martinez
Konsa Carlos Torres Digne
Luiz Kamara
McGinn Tielemans
Diaby
Watkins
Subs:
Olsen
Zaniolo
Bidace
Bailey
Coutinho
Cash
Chambers
Archer
If we get our heads on then that should be strong enough
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After such an awful result last week (which I maintain flattered the shit out of Saudi Arabia) we need to get back on track. I don't think it'll be as easy as some hope, because it very rarely is in this league, but I think we will bounce back with a win.
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as things stand i can't see us keeping a clean sheet so it will be a case of trying to outscore them
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I don't rate Bailey that highly myself but he wasn't even on the pitch when we capitulated on Saturday. Tielemans came on at half time when we were still very much in the game and did nothing. I know it was his first run out and people have been tired of Bailey for a long time, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like it to be.
You do realise Tielemans (who you bizarrely keep bringing up) wasn't the only sub we made?
But he was the player who came on for Bailey, which makes it extremely appropriate to mention him in this conversation, and every other time people are acting like Bailey was the main reason we lost on Saturday.
Your insistence on defending Tielemans against an imaginary grudge is quite funny.
Its not me getting on a new players back after his first 45 minutes. There were also another 10 players out there. Your wierd fixation on one player is very odd.
I don't have a fixation on him. You seem to though.
I mentioned him once, jokingly, in relation to Barnes and Maddison having better starts at their new clubs. You took that very personally.
Then I mentioned him again in relation to being the player that replaced Bailey, and now this most recent one, which again, is relevant.
I have not once said he's shit, or that I don't rate him, or he should be taken out and shot. Once again it's a case of someone ignoring what's actually being said but still replying to it like you've got a point to make.
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Why mention him at all in relation to Bailey? Bailey is going into his third season and some fans are still not convinced. That's fine, I get that. Tielemans plays the second half in his first game and your response is that he wasn't much better. Weird.
Anyway, let's leave it at that shall we?
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Why mention him at all in relation to Bailey? Bailey is going into his third season and some fans are still not convinced. That's fine, I get that. Tielemans plays the second half in his first game and your response is that he wasn't much better. Weird.
Anyway, let's leave it at that shall we?
It's not weird, it's factually correct and relevant to the thread topic.
I was talking about Tielemans being an obvious replacement in the starting line up for this weekend, when based off last weekend everyone was shit. So from a managers point of view its unlikely to be as clearcut as "we all hate Bailey, let's drop him for Tielemans." That's all I said, but you decided a few days ago that I hate Tielemans and feel the need to challenge me everytime (twice) I've mentioned him since.
So yeah, leave your imaginary vendetta at that.
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After such an awful result last week (which I maintain flattered the shit out of Saudi Arabia) we need to get back on track. I don't think it'll be as easy as some hope, because it very rarely is in this league, but I think we will bounce back with a win.
Agreed, a clean sheet and a 2 or 3-0 win would do nicely.
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We need a win of any sorts to lift the mood. It already feels like its been a very long week. Hopefully the players are foaming at the mouths ready for Sunday
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We need a win of any sorts to lift the mood. It already feels like its been a very long week. Hopefully the players are foaming at the mouths ready for Sunday
An outbreak of rabies at Bodymoor Heah is the last thing we need.
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Some nice finishing from several players in training. Let's hope even half of them can do it at the weekend.
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Some nice finishing from several players in training. Let's hope even half of them can do it at the weekend.
Coots looked the best player there.
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Some nice finishing from several players in training. Let's hope even half of them can do it at the weekend.
Coots looked the best player there.
Yes, but it is more like a ´five a side´ which suits his style.
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I bet Coutinho is ridiculously good in those 5-a-side sessions.
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Show us on a match day when it matters, we can all do it in training
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Show us on a match day when it matters, we can all do it in training
Speak for yourself.
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Show us on a match day when it matters, we can all do it in training
Speak for yourself.
I'd struggle to be the cameraman filming it, let alone actually playing.
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Show us on a match day when it matters, we can all do it in training
Speak for yourself.
I'd struggle to be the cameraman filming it, let alone actually playing.
I could definitely put the balls in the thing that shoots them at the keepers.
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We need to utterly batter them on Sunday.
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I like to watch training clips like that, and suspend my disbelief on transfer prices and agents and careers and the pressure and trappings and just imagine that it's a bunch of mates, meeting up for a five a side with the players and coaches encouraging each other.
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Did I imagine it or did Coutinho even make Bailey look good in those clips. Perhaps Coots is the key to unlocking everything.
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I keep forgetting we have a player like Coots.
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We should have a cracking season.
But losing Mings and Buendia is still a huge dent.
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I keep forgetting we have a player like Coots.
I really hope he stays this window and once the European games start he gets a serious run out.
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I keep forgetting we have a player like Coots.
He keeps forgetting that as well.
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I like to watch training clips like that
Me too and would gladly watch 20+ min videos of just their 5-a-side games.
As a youth coach, I would love to see a whole Unai training session as well.
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I think there will be a tribute in the 26th minute to this lad during the game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66502570
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That's really sad. What tragic news.
Far too young.
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Surely we're not letting Digne go at this point? That's madness if true. No recognised LB with Moreno out.
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Surely we're not letting Digne go at this point? That's madness if true. No recognised LB with Moreno out.
Acuna deal should be done today
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I think there will be a tribute in the 26th minute to this lad during the game.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66502570
Not normally a fan of these in-game tributes (think they should be reserved for the HEITS tribute at the end of the season), but given that he was working on Everton's new ground it's fair enough, and hope we do our bit In the tribute.
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From BBC:
Everton have lost their last four Premier League games against Aston Villa, but they've never lost five in a row against them in their league history.
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A lotttt of Coutinho in the training video put out yesterday..
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From BBC:
Everton have lost their last four Premier League games against Aston Villa, but they've never lost five in a row against them in their league history.
Thanks for that! :(
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From BBC:
Everton have lost their last four Premier League games against Aston Villa, but they've never lost five in a row against them in their league history.
Until now.
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I'm half remembering Gareth Barry playing left back and being our most creative player maybe Torres can be similar
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Is he willing to get his shorts dirty we will have to wait and see
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Gregory was some gobshite for the quips.
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You might say that one had the desired effect eamonn
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I dunno, Gaz Baz always had that graceful/lazy style, rarely ruffled, never phased. We hadn't really seen it since God or Sid.
Gregory's tactics and approach to transfers were never progressive and usually insular.
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I'm half remembering Gareth Barry playing left back and being our most creative player maybe Torres can be similar
Completely different types of player. Barry got into the first team aged 17, and showed his versatility from the word go.
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Surely we're not letting Digne go at this point? That's madness if true. No recognised LB with Moreno out.
Acuna deal should be done today
Sounds like we're still apart on the fee unless there's been an update?
Premier league deadline is midday on a Friday so I think it's more realistic we tie up Acuna deal next week although not sure if he'll be eligible for Hibs game.
It's a strange one with the FBs.
We knew from late May that Moreno wouldn't be around for start of the season (hopefully he's only 2-3 weeks off) and released Young so everyone assume a versatile FB would be signed at some point in July but hasn't happened and now very tempting interest in Digne from Saudi.
While he's still here Digne needs to continue starting games just for the balance and give Pau time to get used to premier league from CB as we need him to develop into the presence Mings was for us so rather do that than LB.
Everton won't be able to hurt us like Newcastle but they're still a team who can create on counter attack so it's a bit concerning to me we ended last season with a fantastic defensive structure and now it's looking a bit scratch and ragged so early on.
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Agree HQ, Everton will start with a better RB than us. This is going to be a very difficult game because, as you say, our defence looks a bit ragged.
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we have Revan who looked excellent in pre season
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I keep thinking back to the start of the 77- 78 season ( my first as a junior season ticket holder on the Holte end) when after a brilliant season the season before - we got off to a slow start in the league - losing a few at home early on - including 4-1 to City and if memory serves me correctly losing to Everton???
1 - 1 on Sunday
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we have Revan who looked excellent in pre season
Did he play much in America or v Lazio or Valencia?
Everytime I watched it was Pau there or Digne coming on.
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Think we will be fine on Sunday, we have had a full week of training for Unai and co to get the defence sorted and what we have seen so far he will have done that. It might not be the defence come the Liverpool game early September but he will have planned for this game post Mings injury.
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we have Revan who looked excellent in pre season
Did he play much in America or v Lazio or Valencia?
Everytime I watched it was Pau there or Digne coming on.
He came on a couple of times in America. He looked OK.
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Holte Suite is out of action Sunday
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It's a disgrace! 😂
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Holte Suite is out of action Sunday
Why, edited just seen the answer
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Holte Suite is out of action Sunday
That's a pain; was hoping to watch the Women Final there.
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Holte Suite is out of action Sunday
Without coming over all Wilma here, that really is fucking shit.
Let's storm the doors of The Terrace View!
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I think we can all look forward to another ticket price hike next season as they are continually showing they are clueless with any way other than ticket prices to get the 40k+ attending to part with their money.
In the case they’ve forgotten we have one of our own club representatives playing in a World Cup Final at 11am….instead of announcing less facilities at the last minute they should have been trying to get people there early to watch the game whilst availing themselves of the Villa Park facilities :-)
Sure they’ll announce something nearer the time….or maybe not.
I don’t for a minute think they want to improve anything either…if there was any inclination it could have been easily done at any time…service, quality, cleanliness, product range for all in every area of the ground is not difficult if managed correctly.
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2-0 Villa
Morley, Withe
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Re The Holte Suite not being ready it says -
"the lounge is undertaking renovations and upgrades, with further information to be confirmed shortly around the availability"
The way i read that this is moving to paid entry facility, if not immediately then soon.
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The off the pitch stuff is pissing a lot of people off.
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Jacob Ramsey is still "some weeks away" from a return to training, while Emi Buendía and Tyrone Mings are long-term absentees.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F30cc7oXUAAyWET?format=webp&name=small)
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Calvert Lewin back in contention according to Dyche
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Any mention of Leander Dendoncker?
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Any mention of Leander Dendoncker?
He's become a Daddy, don't you know?
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Any mention of Leander Dendoncker?
He's become a Daddy, don't you know?
Seems to be going on for some time.
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I think we can all look forward to another ticket price hike next season as they are continually showing they are clueless with any way other than ticket prices to get the 40k+ attending to part with their money.
In the case they’ve forgotten we have one of our own club representatives playing in a World Cup Final at 11am….instead of announcing less facilities at the last minute they should have been trying to get people there early to watch the game whilst availing themselves of the Villa Park facilities :-)
Sure they’ll announce something nearer the time….or maybe not.
I don’t for a minute think they want to improve anything either…if there was any inclination it could have been easily done at any time…service, quality, cleanliness, product range for all in every area of the ground is not difficult if managed correctly.
Womens Final will be screened live in the trinity Square...someone's listening..
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Any mention of Leander Dendoncker?
He's become a Daddy, don't you know?
Seems to be going on for some time.
Generally about 9 months, there or thereabouts
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Any mention of Leander Dendoncker?
He's become a Daddy, don't you know?
Seems to be going on for some time.
Generally about 9 months, there or thereabouts
Paternity leave ?
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Dendonker is already back in training, I'm sure. Didn't the club post something welcoming him back?
Someone said last week that he was on the injury list, or mentioned in the injury updates as having taken a knock, but I just assumed he wasn't up to fitness having missed basically all of preseason.
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Kind of looking forward to this as it's my first home game since Jan 22 (live near Sheffield now), but the result last week was a real downer as well as the injury list, and the moans and groans about what's happening with our beloved VP.
Just any win will do me tbh. 2-1 I think.
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I don't really want a scrappy 1-0 or 2-1, we need to funeral them to show that last week was just a one off.
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I'd go with Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres (I think we'll face a pretty low block)
Digne
McGinn
Kamara
Luiz
JPB
Diaby
Watkins
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Assuming Everton will select 11 giants, as normal.
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Is Dendonker still injured?
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I’m beginning to wonder if the wife gave birth to a baby or Dendonker himself given the amount of time he has had off!
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I’m beginning to wonder if the wife gave birth to a baby or Dendonker himself given the amount of time he has had off!
That made me laugh….😂😂
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We're off the bottom quite comfortably on alphabetical order. :)
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We're off the bottom quite comfortably on alphabetical order. :)
Haha, yeah, Wolves, mind the gap eh!
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I think we can all look forward to another ticket price hike next season as they are continually showing they are clueless with any way other than ticket prices to get the 40k+ attending to part with their money.
In the case they’ve forgotten we have one of our own club representatives playing in a World Cup Final at 11am….instead of announcing less facilities at the last minute they should have been trying to get people there early to watch the game whilst availing themselves of the Villa Park facilities :-)
Sure they’ll announce something nearer the time….or maybe not.
I don’t for a minute think they want to improve anything either…if there was any inclination it could have been easily done at any time…service, quality, cleanliness, product range for all in every area of the ground is not difficult if managed correctly.
Are we really not showing the WC final in any part of the ground tomorrow? What about the concourses?
Good way to alleviate pressure and the bottleneck of fans that take ages to get into the ground.
Few times I was up in the Upper Holte in Witton corner and was still watching queues of fans trying to get into the Witton lower after the game had kick off and I know from experience it's exactly the same trying to get into the North Stand for many games.
If World cup final goes into extra time more likely then there's going to be a last minute rush to get in.
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I think we can all look forward to another ticket price hike next season as they are continually showing they are clueless with any way other than ticket prices to get the 40k+ attending to part with their money.
In the case they’ve forgotten we have one of our own club representatives playing in a World Cup Final at 11am….instead of announcing less facilities at the last minute they should have been trying to get people there early to watch the game whilst availing themselves of the Villa Park facilities :-)
Sure they’ll announce something nearer the time….or maybe not.
I don’t for a minute think they want to improve anything either…if there was any inclination it could have been easily done at any time…service, quality, cleanliness, product range for all in every area of the ground is not difficult if managed correctly.
Are we really not showing the WC final in any part of the ground tomorrow? What about the concourses?
Good way to alleviate pressure and the bottleneck of fans that take ages to get into the ground.
Few times I was up in the Upper Holte in Witton corner and was still watching queues of fans trying to get into the Witton lower after the game had kick off and I know from experience it's exactly the same trying to get into the North Stand for many games.
If World cup final goes into extra time more likely then there's going to be a last minute rush to get in.
Errr...
https://twitter.com/AVWFCOfficial/status/1692614086792732691
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Really could do with a win.
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1-1.
Dyche will set up for the point and he's been very adept at boring everyone to tears at VP over the years.
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Everton are the team I despise the most in the PL with a manager to match. they’re still there only by the ineptitude of others not by their own doing. I hope we thrash these 5-0 but with Dyche killing the game it’ll more likely be 1-0. A win anyway and I’ll be happy
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For me the biggest threat is provided by the quirky stats. Everton normally get beaten at Villa Park, hardly ever score and that's even when we were shit. So these stats turn around sometimes for no particular reason other than law of averages. I therefore suspect a draw today.
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If the defence step up to the challenge of Mings not playing then I see us winning comfortably. It’s a big ‘if’ although I’m sure Unai has got a plan.
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0-0 with furious punters hurling vol au vaunts from Terrace View towards the pitch but landing short and hitting peasants below
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We should win this, just a little worried that a certain Ashley Young may come back to haunt us.
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I think we can all look forward to another ticket price hike next season as they are continually showing they are clueless with any way other than ticket prices to get the 40k+ attending to part with their money.
In the case they’ve forgotten we have one of our own club representatives playing in a World Cup Final at 11am….instead of announcing less facilities at the last minute they should have been trying to get people there early to watch the game whilst availing themselves of the Villa Park facilities :-)
Sure they’ll announce something nearer the time….or maybe not.
I don’t for a minute think they want to improve anything either…if there was any inclination it could have been easily done at any time…service, quality, cleanliness, product range for all in every area of the ground is not difficult if managed correctly.
Are we really not showing the WC final in any part of the ground tomorrow? What about the concourses?
Good way to alleviate pressure and the bottleneck of fans that take ages to get into the ground.
Few times I was up in the Upper Holte in Witton corner and was still watching queues of fans trying to get into the Witton lower after the game had kick off and I know from experience it's exactly the same trying to get into the North Stand for many games.
If World cup final goes into extra time more likely then there's going to be a last minute rush to get in.
Errr...
https://twitter.com/AVWFCOfficial/status/1692614086792732691
Trinity forecourt is pretty tight for space so will create plenty of congestion from those coming from the North Stand side.
Was more on about the TVs in the actual concourses and the ones in the Car Parks, that would work better.
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Today is 30 years since the passing of our European Cup-winning manager, Tony Barton. Thanks for the star!
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A season-starting 6-2 would be nice
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Zaniolo starts. Mings back.
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Zaniolo starts. Mings back.
WTF Idiot
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Zaniolo starts. Mings back.
You wot?