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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: olaftab on September 12, 2022, 10:20:44 PM
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Friday 16 September Kick Off 8PM.
Venue: Villa Park
So football is back on and we take the honour of staging the first English top level match to be played since the big event. I wonder what Steven will do to ensure Southampton are sent back empty handed?
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Attack attack attack.
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It's got to be a win otherwise going into the international break we'll have 4 or 5 points from 7 games.
Choose the wrong team and formation and it could be a difficult evening.
Come on Villa boys!
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0-2.
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Just...don't be swapping notes between players in the latter stages if we're losing 0-1.
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5 at the back.
McGinn, Dendoncker and Kamara in midfield
Ings and Watkins up front
Aston Villa 10 (ten) Southampton 0
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Same team as Man City other than Dendonker for McGinn.
Martinez
Young. Konsa. Mings. Digne
Kamara. Dendonker
Luiz. Ramsey
Bailey. Watkins
Might be over cautious but we need to carry on grinding out a few results to carry on steadying the ship until confidence is back. Temptation must be to bring Coutinhio back, but other than McGinn who deserves taking out after the Man City game.
Nervy 2-0 (Watkins and late goal from Ramsey).
Is it definitely on?
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Are there enough trucks/cameras/police/hot dog stalls/half and half scarf sellers etc, available for the match to definitely go ahead ?
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5 at the back.
I can't see this ending well...
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Are there enough trucks/cameras/police/hot dog stalls/half and half scarf sellers etc, available for the match to definitely go ahead ?
Apparently so. Premier League have confirmed as much anyway.
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5 at the back
Jesus fucking Christ.
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A repeat of last season would be nice.
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A repeat of last season would be nice.
I remember that game. I was a bit miffed that we didn't score more than we did.
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5 at the back.
I can't see this ending well...
5 at the back
Jesus fucking Christ.
I expected a quicker response 😂
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Hopefully we'll take confidence from the Man City game and smash these.
Think it'll be a 2006-07 O'Neil home game type 1-1.
Penalty for us.
Someone I'd never heard of until he scored, for them.
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I'm certain McGinn will play, he's had a rest etc.....
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A repeat of last season would be nice.
I remember that game. I was a bit miffed that we didn't score more than we did.
Me Too!
Could have been 7 or 8 easily!
Would love a repeat performance.
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I hope for a confidence boosting 3-0 win, I fear a nervy 1-1 and the team and manager getting booed off.
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I'm certain McGinn will play, he's had a rest etc.....
Big game needed for John, to be fair. A screamer, ala Sheff Wed would be nice.
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I'm certain McGinn will play, he's had a rest etc.....
Big game needed for John, to be fair. A screamer, ala Sheff Wed would be nice.
It would be great for us and for him for that to happen. The thing is he needs to keep doing it and having a consistently big impact on games.
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I'm certain McGinn will play, he's had a rest etc.....
Big game needed for John, to be fair. A screamer, ala Sheff Wed would be nice.
Yes although hopefully the result differs.
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Strange game in what will be a strange atmosphere in a strange week. There's less pressure on the Manager given the postponement of the Leicester match but he can I'll afford to lose. A win might be a stretch. A stalemate keeping the jury well and truly out.
0-0
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A straightforward 2-0 win I reckon
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a clean sheet please Villa....2 nil win
UTV
The Doc
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A straightforward 2-0 win I reckon
Anything less and he's gorra go Tom.
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I think we'll batter them. 4-0.
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Why the conviction from so many that we'll keep a clean sheet? We couldn't even manage it against the cockney twatty kit stealing thunderchunts.
If we win it'll be a scrappy 2-1 with clenched ringpieces for the final 10 minutes.
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Strange game in what will be a strange atmosphere in a strange week. There's less pressure on the Manager given the postponement of the Leicester match but he can I'll afford to lose. A win might be a stretch. A stalemate keeping the jury well and truly out.
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Why would the atmosphere be strange? Friday night game at home on a Bank Holiday weekend, I'm expecting it to be absolutely belting.
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Strange game in what will be a strange atmosphere in a strange week. There's less pressure on the Manager given the postponement of the Leicester match but he can I'll afford to lose. A win might be a stretch. A stalemate keeping the jury well and truly out.
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Why would the atmosphere be strange? Friday night game at home on a Bank Holiday weekend, I'm expecting it to be absolutely belting.
I hope the atmosphere is good but a game taking place when the Monarch is lying in State, preceeded by a minutes silence and rendering of the National Anthem will make it somewhat unusual IMO.
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Why the conviction from so many that we'll keep a clean sheet? We couldn't even manage it against the cockney twatty kit stealing thunderchunts.
If we win it'll be a scrappy 2-1 with clenched ringpieces for the final 10 minutes.
We played really well against Man City and were unlucky not to have taken all three points. We'll be more defensively solid with Young at right back, and hopefully Kamara and Luiz will play to the same standard they did last time out. Hopefully having Chambers on Bednarek on the bench will show Mings and Konsa that they can't afford any fuck ups at all.
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Think SG will stick with the same side and I think it will be the same result, so SG stays for a bit longer!
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Why the conviction from so many that we'll keep a clean sheet? We couldn't even manage it against the cockney twatty kit stealing thunderchunts.
If we win it'll be a scrappy 2-1 with clenched ringpieces for the final 10 minutes.
We played really well against Man City and were unlucky not to have taken all three points. We'll be more defensively solid with Young at right back, and hopefully Kamara and Luiz will play to the same standard they did last time out. Hopefully having Chambers on Bednarek on the bench will show Mings and Konsa that they can't afford any fuck ups at all.
I'm worried that
1. Some players raised their games against City such as Konsa and Watkins and won't repeat it against a team as "lowly" as Southampton
2. Gerrard picked a team out of necessity against City and will revert to type against lower opposition
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Strange game in what will be a strange atmosphere in a strange week. There's less pressure on the Manager given the postponement of the Leicester match but he can I'll afford to lose. A win might be a stretch. A stalemate keeping the jury well and truly out.
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Why would the atmosphere be strange? Friday night game at home on a Bank Holiday weekend, I'm expecting it to be absolutely belting.
I hope the atmosphere is good but a game taking place when the Monarch is lying in State, preceeded by a minutes silence and rendering of the National Anthem will make it somewhat unusual IMO.
Plus we are, shall we say, out of form. It'll be a strange nervy atmosphere and the mood will change either way dependant on who gets the first goal.
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Saints have had some decent results. We're still a bit shit. Stalemate it is.
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Why the conviction from so many that we'll keep a clean sheet? We couldn't even manage it against the cockney twatty kit stealing thunderchunts.
If we win it'll be a scrappy 2-1 with clenched ringpieces for the final 10 minutes.
We played really well against Man City and were unlucky not to have taken all three points. We'll be more defensively solid with Young at right back, and hopefully Kamara and Luiz will play to the same standard they did last time out. Hopefully having Chambers on Bednarek on the bench will show Mings and Konsa that they can't afford any fuck ups at all.
I'm worried that
1. Some players raised their games against City such as Konsa and Watkins and won't repeat it against a team as "lowly" as Southampton
2. Gerrard picked a team out of necessity against City and will revert to type against lower opposition
Probably because I'm short minded but I'm actually feeling pretty positive about this one. SG actually made good decisions against citeh and I'm backing him to do the same on Friday.
Genuinely think the players that have come in are proper competition for places and that will raise the standards. I'm also really really really hoping that Archer gets a decent run out but that might be a bit too optimistic
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Don’t think Bednerak can be in the squad due to him coming to us from Soton
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Lose and we are in the relegation zone. Lose and Gerrard is out of a job. We play like we did against Man City and we can and should win this game.
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If the team sheet has Ings and Watkins starting, he should be sacked on the spot.
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Going Villa to win by the odd goal, but with not a lot of confidence.
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Why the conviction from so many that we'll keep a clean sheet? We couldn't even manage it against the cockney twatty kit stealing thunderchunts.
If we win it'll be a scrappy 2-1 with clenched ringpieces for the final 10 minutes.
We played really well against Man City and were unlucky not to have taken all three points. We'll be more defensively solid with Young at right back, and hopefully Kamara and Luiz will play to the same standard they did last time out. Hopefully having Chambers on Bednarek on the bench will show Mings and Konsa that they can't afford any fuck ups at all.
I'm worried that
1. Some players raised their games against City such as Konsa and Watkins and won't repeat it against a team as "lowly" as Southampton
2. Gerrard picked a team out of necessity against City and will revert to type against lower opposition
If Gerrard reverts to type then he thoroughly deserves the inevitable P45 when we lose.
I can’t believe he’d be that stupid. Or stubborn. Or both.
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I can.
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So can I, really.
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Me three. Though I'd like to think he isn't.
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If Gerrard reverts to type then he thoroughly deserves the inevitable P45 when we lose.
I can’t believe he’d be that stupid. Or stubborn. Or both.
But what does that mean? We set up to be solid against City for a defensive performance and it worked well. But a tub thumping backs to the wall performamce isn't a model that can be rolled out against teams like Southampton who aren't going to come at us in the same way. So we need to find ways to break them down other than than counter attack and for that I would think we really need the more creative players like Buendia or Coutinho.
So I don't really see how we can base our performance on the City game (which was a 4-3-3 set up anyway) and so to some extent, assuming we go 4-3-3 again it's almost certainly going to go to be 'back to type' to some extent. Obviously he can keep the fullbacks deeper and ask the front 3 and 8's to do the heavy lifting up front, but if he's not carful he'll be accused of being far too negative against a very average team.
Luiz should 100% start, but he'll want to include Ramsey and I can't see him leaving McGinn out, so I'd expect a similar line up to the pre City games.
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I can.
That's why I think things will look after themselves. He's not suddenly found enlightenment. He will go back to who he is and he will be fired.
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Nice to see the 10 day enforced break has quashed any semblence of enthusiasm that built up after man city.
I had turned to Gerard out after West Ham, but he deserves his chance of the next couple of games after the Man City selection and performance.
Reading this thread if he sticks with a defensive line up he’s making a mistake given the opposition, but if he reverts to type with Ings, Watkins etc he’s stubborn and deserves to be sacked. Difficult for him to win really.
Im more in the camp of despite the opposition playing it safe with a similar formation but to drop McGinn, bringing more creative players on as the game goes on. My big fear is that he might of dropped McGinn for Leicester but the gap dulls the memory of how bad he was or has been.
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Thing is - he needs to start getting results - Man City bought him a little bit of credit and probably a more positive home crowd
But realistically this is the kind of game that we and he needs to win
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Need a win. Play Dendonker next to Kamara and not McGinn. Get into them, fuck them off.
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If Gerrard reverts to type then he thoroughly deserves the inevitable P45 when we lose.
I can’t believe he’d be that stupid. Or stubborn. Or both.
But what does that mean? We set up to be solid against City for a defensive performance and it worked well. But a tub thumping backs to the wall performamce isn't a model that can be rolled out against teams like Southampton who aren't going to come at us in the same way. So we need to find ways to break them down other than than counter attack and for that I would think we really need the more creative players like Buendia or Coutinho.
So I don't really see how we can base our performance on the City game (which was a 4-3-3 set up anyway) and so to some extent, assuming we go 4-3-3 again it's almost certainly going to go to be 'back to type' to some extent. Obviously he can keep the fullbacks deeper and ask the front 3 and 8's to do the heavy lifting up front, but if he's not carful he'll be accused of being far too negative against a very average team.
Luiz should 100% start, but he'll want to include Ramsey and I can't see him leaving McGinn out, so I'd expect a similar line up to the pre City games.
He may have picked the same formation but our shape was completely different and meant we were competitive in central midfield for the first time this season. When people talk about reverting to type they mean 2 of the midfielders playing as auxillery fullbacks.
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Need to win so that we have the record as the only team to have the most top flight wins under two different monarchs.
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Shit, just realised I'm going to miss this as I have tickets to see Moonage Daydream at the Imax.
Hope we don't win now. Only messin'! Though I wonder are there fans amongst us who fear missing out so much on a Villa game due to other commitments that a crappy result fills them with relief. It's very selfish if so.
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Shit or bust
Not like we’ve sacked a manager before after losing to Southampton on a Friday night right before an international break
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We aren't sacking the media's most beloved manager during a period of official mourning.
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No, Tuesday should do it.
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He's staying till the World Cup now. The Queen has saved him.
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He might still save himself yknow
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He's staying till the World Cup now. The Queen has saved him.
Queen saves the “god”
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He might still save himself yknow
Yes maybe, you never know.
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Nice to see the 10 day enforced break has quashed any semblence of enthusiasm that built up after man city.
And if we do win, we’ve then got a 2-week break to kill any momentum that creates.
He may have picked the same formation but our shape was completely different and meant we were competitive in central midfield for the first time this season. When people talk about reverting to type they mean 2 of the midfielders playing as auxillery fullbacks.
He’s got to learn from that. If he goes back to emptying the midfield so they can cover for the fullbacks, he deserves to be sacked. If he recognises that 4-3-3 or a variation thereof suits these players, he’s got a chance. There’s ability in that squad and if he doesn’t set-up in a way that suits them, we’ll bring in someone that will.
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Need to win so that we have the record as the only team to have the most top flight wins under two different monarchs.
Reminds me of a joke I heard during the 70,s
The pope died, his replacement only lasted a short time so in quick period there were three popes
Birmingham City, the only football club to not win a match in the Reign of three popes
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If he saves himself then we all win. It means we are ascending up the table and the football is actually good and improving. We are keeping clean sheets and scoring goals. I’ll believe it if it actually happens. Up until this point we’ve seen very little evidence that he will by some miracle turn us into that. Man City was a very good display. But it’s not fixed. Let’s see if there is “continuous improvement” vs Southampton.
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Villa at home, as the first game back after an unscheduled break, against a team in red and white stripes? Someone make sure to turn hawkeye off first.
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Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara Dendonker
Bailey Coutinio Ramsay
Watkins
Please
Coutinio tore these apart last season
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Yeah but they had our star new centre back playing for them that day!
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Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara Dendonker
Bailey Coutinio Ramsay
Watkins
Please
Coutinio tore these apart last season
Cash is injured
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Cash is King, I thought? Or is that Charles...it's confusing these days.
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Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara Dendonker
Bailey Coutinio Ramsay
Watkins
Please
Coutinio tore these apart last season
That team but with Young in for the injured Cash. That defence and midfield doesn't need to do anything but defend and give the ball to Buendia, Bailey and Coutinho, and let them do their thing.
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Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara Dendonker
Bailey Coutinio Ramsay
Watkins
Please
Coutinio tore these apart last season
That team but with Young in for the injured Cash. That defence and midfield doesn't need to do anything but defend and give the ball to Buendia, Bailey and Coutinho, and let them do their thing.
Surely they'd be mostly throw-ins if going to Buendia?
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I thought cash was out for a few weeks??
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So looks like Fred will be on the bench now then
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Not sure Luiz deserves to be dropped, he was excellent against Man City
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So looks like Fred will be on the bench now then
He isn't in the 25 man squad so don't think we can put him on the bench until January if he gets put back into the squad.
It will just be Chambers as cover.
As for the game, will be very lively at the start with the anthem being played and hopefully we can come out of the blocks and be on front foot early.
Think it will be interesting selection. Hopefully Gerrard dosen't balls up the midfield and drop Luiz. Southampton at home last season was Coutinho's best game for us so wouldn't shock me if he comes back in given he's been on the bench three out of last four and personally I'd put Ings in ahead of Watkins as we will surely create chances in this so need more of a finisher as the CF.
Last season we won 4-0 and could've easily scored 8. I'll go for this time should've scored three but happy to win 2-0.
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I thought Fred had been added to the squad again?
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Watkins was also excellent against man city and doesnt deserve to be dropped.
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Not sure Luiz deserves to be dropped, he was excellent against Man City
He'd be one of the first names on the teamsheet for me.
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So looks like Fred will be on the bench now then
As for the game, will be very lively at the start with the anthem being played and hopefully we can come out of the blocks and be on front foot early.
Yeah, because if there's one thing that guarantees a great atmosphere, it's the national anthem 😉
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So looks like Fred will be on the bench now then
As for the game, will be very lively at the start with the anthem being played and hopefully we can come out of the blocks and be on front foot early.
Yeah, because if there's one thing that guarantees a great atmosphere, it's the national anthem 😉
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I might need a toilet visit a couple of minutes before kick off
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So looks like Fred will be on the bench now then
As for the game, will be very lively at the start with the anthem being played and hopefully we can come out of the blocks and be on front foot early.
Yeah, because if there's one thing that guarantees a great atmosphere, it's the national anthem 😉
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I might need a toilet visit a couple of minutes before kick off
Because it's that fucking hard to sit on your hands and keep you mouth shut during a national anthem?
I've seen international games against Wales, Scotland, France, Ireland & Germany (amongst others) and have no problem just acting like a normal human being when opposition anthems are played. Are you really that immature that you can't do the same?
And no, I'm not a Royalist, I'm entirely ambivalent about the Royal family. I'm just grown up enough to show a minutes respect when it's asked for.
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I just read it as he needed a few lines of whatever to perk himself up before the football started :D
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I will observe the silence as that is the respectful thing to do but I won’t join in the national anthem.
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I just read it as he needed a few lines of whatever to perk himself up before the football started :D
A bit of John Donne should do the trick.
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Watkins a doubt apparently. And all three keepers missed training yesterday but Martinez expected to be okay. Cue Watkins out and all three keepers out.
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I just read it as he needed a few lines of whatever to perk himself up before the football started :D
Good luck getting in there I think you need to book
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I just read it as he needed a few lines of whatever to perk himself up before the football started :D
Good luck getting in there I think you need to book
I think the police have now starting patrolling at least outside the ground with what I assumed were their drug detecting dogs.
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So looks like Fred will be on the bench now then
As for the game, will be very lively at the start with the anthem being played and hopefully we can come out of the blocks and be on front foot early.
Yeah, because if there's one thing that guarantees a great atmosphere, it's the national anthem 😉
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I might need a toilet visit a couple of minutes before kick off
Because it's that fucking hard to sit on your hands and keep you mouth shut during a national anthem?
I've seen international games against Wales, Scotland, France, Ireland & Germany (amongst others) and have no problem just acting like a normal human being when opposition anthems are played. Are you really that immature that you can't do the same?
And no, I'm not a Royalist, I'm entirely ambivalent about the Royal family. I'm just grown up enough to show a minutes respect when it's asked for.
Speaking for myself, I was born in this country and as such consider it 'my' national anthem. Not a question of respect, I just think it's a bloody awful tune.
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It's a terrible national anthem, but then most are. I'm not a royalist at all, but if it's being sung with gusto tomorrow night I'll join in, more to get the atmosphere going then anything else. The atmosphere against Man City was brilliant and if it's like that tomorrow night we'll batter Saints.
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The quality of the song isn't in question. It's the willingness of people who live and presumably make a living in this country to be prepared to, at the very least, just shut the fuck up and show a bit of respect for about 60 seconds, whatever the wider view on the Royal familiy.
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The quality of the song isn't in question. It's the willingness of people who live and presumably make a living in this country to be prepared to, at the very least, just shut the fuck up and show a bit of respect for about 60 seconds, whatever the wider view on the Royal familiy.
I can't imagine there'll be many doing any different tomorrow night.
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so who does Dendoncker come in for tomorrow?
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The quality of the song isn't in question. It's the willingness of people who live and presumably make a living in this country to be prepared to, at the very least, just shut the fuck up and show a bit of respect for about 60 seconds, whatever the wider view on the Royal familiy.
I can't imagine there'll be many doing any different tomorrow night.
Indeed. I won't boo, nor will I sing along. I will merely gently, thoughtfully - and very publicly - masturbate to the internal tune of a McCain's oven chips ad from the 1980s, "We Hope it's Chips, it's Chips".
I feel like it's what she would've wanted.
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So looks like Fred will be on the bench now then
As for the game, will be very lively at the start with the anthem being played and hopefully we can come out of the blocks and be on front foot early.
Yeah, because if there's one thing that guarantees a great atmosphere, it's the national anthem 😉
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I might need a toilet visit a couple of minutes before kick off
Because it's that fucking hard to sit on your hands and keep you mouth shut during a national anthem?
I've seen international games against Wales, Scotland, France, Ireland & Germany (amongst others) and have no problem just acting like a normal human being when opposition anthems are played. Are you really that immature that you can't do the same?
And no, I'm not a Royalist, I'm entirely ambivalent about the Royal family. I'm just grown up enough to show a minutes respect when it's asked for.
Wow, Chris I didn’t mean to offend! Personally I would rather not join in the anthem, and when I don’t have people (Villa fans at Wembley v Arsenal, call me all kinds of names and be generally quite shitty to me and my family during the game) have a pop. So I will remove myself, whilst being sad on a personal level that someone has died, but not agreeing with the monarchy, joining in. I am sensible enough to “sit on my hands”
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The quality of the song isn't in question. It's the willingness of people who live and presumably make a living in this country to be prepared to, at the very least, just shut the fuck up and show a bit of respect for about 60 seconds, whatever the wider view on the Royal familiy.
Fuck the jug eared, tax dodging, pro-hunting arsehole and his shitey song. He has done precisely nothing to earn my respect.
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What cd said.
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The quality of the song isn't in question. It's the willingness of people who live and presumably make a living in this country to be prepared to, at the very least, just shut the fuck up and show a bit of respect for about 60 seconds, whatever the wider view on the Royal familiy.
Fuck the jug eared, tax dodging, pro-hunting arsehole and his shitey song. He has done precisely nothing to earn my respect.
This! But I won’t boo, or jeer or do anything. I will do the best thing and remove myself from this. But that upsets some people as well.
Anyway hope for a good 2-0 win
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I plan to turn up after the anthem is over. Have had arguments with fans like chrisw, who can't bear that anyone else doesn't share their opinion, at games before and it puts you on edge. I'd rather miss that unpleasantness by arriving just as the match kicks off.
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I don’t think anyone was suggesting that they were going to sing or shout over the silence, just that they might not join in subsequently with wishing that Charles Windsor ‘reigns’ over us for a long time.
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I plan to turn up after the anthem is over. Have had arguments with fans like chrisw, who can't bear that anyone else doesn't share their opinion, at games before and it puts you on edge. I'd rather miss that unpleasantness by arriving just as the match kicks off.
Yep I agree, that’s a good idea. If you don’t sing the anthem you put yourself out for ridicule etc. As I have said I think the best and polite thing to do is not to participate and that is what I will do.
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Well, it's only one verse long, think ourselves lucky that we've not got one that drags on and on.
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Well, it's only one verse long, think ourselves lucky that we've not got one that drags on and on.
She could have been Sri Lankan.
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Well, it's only one verse long, think ourselves lucky that we've not got one that drags on and on.
God save our gracious King,
Long live our noble King,
God save the King!
Send him victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the King!
O Lord our God arise,
Scatter our enemies,
And make them fall!
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
God save us all!
Not in this land alone,
But be God’s mercies known,
From shore to shore!
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world o’er.
From every latent foe,
From the assassins blow,
God save the King!
O’er his thine arm extend,
For Britain’s sake defend,
Our father, prince, and friend,
God save the King!
Thy choicest gifts in store,
On him be pleased to pour,
Long may he reign!
May he defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the King!
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You missed a bit:
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush!
God save the King!
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The irony, I suppose, is that the entire point of the song is to oppose a bloke calling himself "King Charles III".
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😆 that made me laugh
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I'm 56, going on 57, and I can hand on heart say I have never in my entire life heard a rendition of more than one verse.
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They play the longer version on certain official occasions, I think.
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You missed a bit:
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush!
God save the King!
I was typing from memory* in a rush on my phone and got distracted. ;-)
*aka 'Google'.
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Well, it's only one verse long, think ourselves lucky that we've not got one that drags on and on.
God save our gracious King,
Long live our noble King,
God save the King!
Send him victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the King!
O Lord our God arise,
Scatter our enemies,
And make them fall!
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
God save us all!
Not in this land alone,
But be God’s mercies known,
From shore to shore!
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world o’er.
From every latent foe,
From the assassins blow,
God save the King!
O’er his thine arm extend,
For Britain’s sake defend,
Our father, prince, and friend,
God save the King!
Thy choicest gifts in store,
On him be pleased to pour,
Long may he reign!
May he defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the King!
Presumably this will be sung at every Villa game once Will takes the throne?
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I'll be maintaining a respectful silence down on the concourse and will take my seat once the anthem has been sung. In fact I may put my headphones in and listen to Jerusalem instead.
3-1 Villa.
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Well, it's only one verse long, think ourselves lucky that we've not got one that drags on and on.
God save our gracious King,
Long live our noble King,
God save the King!
Send him victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the King!
O Lord our God arise,
Scatter our enemies,
And make them fall!
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
God save us all!
Not in this land alone,
But be God’s mercies known,
From shore to shore!
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world o’er.
From every latent foe,
From the assassins blow,
God save the King!
O’er his thine arm extend,
For Britain’s sake defend,
Our father, prince, and friend,
God save the King!
Thy choicest gifts in store,
On him be pleased to pour,
Long may he reign!
May he defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the King!
Presumably this will be sung at every Villa game once Will takes the throne?
believe he changes it eventually to that one which contains something about 1982,
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If I get there I will sing the National Anthem as would most people.
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so who does Dendoncker come in for tomorrow?
Would leave him on the bench. Hopefully he gets 20 minutes if we're 2-3 up as we were last year.
We really need to give Luiz-Kamara a run of games as the pivot infront of the back 4. I'm sure Gerrard will be creative as usual and try to shoehorn McGinn in there aswell but at least keep what worked v Man. City as we'll need to move the ball around Ward Prowse and whoever else they have in CM.
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I'm 56, going on 57, and I can hand on heart say I have never in my entire life heard a rendition of more than one verse.
Japan world cup 2002 played a second verse when England played.
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The quality of the song isn't in question. It's the willingness of people who live and presumably make a living in this country to be prepared to, at the very least, just shut the fuck up and show a bit of respect for about 60 seconds, whatever the wider view on the Royal familiy.
I can't imagine there'll be many doing any different tomorrow night.
Indeed. I won't boo, nor will I sing along. I will merely gently, thoughtfully - and very publicly - masturbate to the internal tune of a McCain's oven chips ad from the 1980s, "We Hope it's Chips, it's Chips".
I feel like it's what she would've wanted.
I’ve messaged Nicholas Witchell and he says you’re very well informed, it’s exactly what she would have wanted.
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You get a sense for these things.
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I plan to turn up after the anthem is over. Have had arguments with fans like chrisw, who can't bear that anyone else doesn't share their opinion, at games before and it puts you on edge. I'd rather miss that unpleasantness by arriving just as the match kicks off.
Yep I agree, that’s a good idea. If you don’t sing the anthem you put yourself out for ridicule etc. As I have said I think the best and polite thing to do is not to participate and that is what I will do.
I don’t think that anyone will care whether you join in or not. What some people will take offence at though if we get the odd nobba that boos like some of the Liverpool lot did the other night which quite frankly would make us look a bit pants.
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Not going. Not watching. Will follow it on here after work. Bet Gerrard plays one up front.
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Hopefully Martinez and Watkins recover in time
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I plan to turn up after the anthem is over. Have had arguments with fans like chrisw, who can't bear that anyone else doesn't share their opinion, at games before and it puts you on edge. I'd rather miss that unpleasantness by arriving just as the match kicks off.
Yep I agree, that’s a good idea. If you don’t sing the anthem you put yourself out for ridicule etc. As I have said I think the best and polite thing to do is not to participate and that is what I will do.
I don’t think that anyone will care whether you join in or not. What some people will take offence at though if we get the odd nobba that boos like some of the Liverpool lot did the other night which quite frankly would make us look a bit pants.
Well some Villa fans at Wembley v Arsenal did have a problem when I didn’t sing the anthem, and they kept at me throughout the game, that’s why I remove myself from this kind of situation.
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I think you have made your point
Can we talk about football
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Go on then? Do you think Stevie will play Ings & Watkins (if fit) or just Watkins, what would be your preferred line up?
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Carew
Bailey Coutinho Ramsey
It will probably be Watkins though, with Ings coming off the bench to score the winner
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Carew? If only
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Not going. Not watching. Will follow it on here after work. Bet Gerrard plays one up front.
6-0 win incoming then!!!
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I plan to turn up after the anthem is over. Have had arguments with fans like chrisw, who can't bear that anyone else doesn't share their opinion, at games before and it puts you on edge. I'd rather miss that unpleasantness by arriving just as the match kicks off.
Yep I agree, that’s a good idea. If you don’t sing the anthem you put yourself out for ridicule etc. As I have said I think the best and polite thing to do is not to participate and that is what I will do.
I don’t think that anyone will care whether you join in or not. What some people will take offence at though if we get the odd nobba that boos like some of the Liverpool lot did the other night which quite frankly would make us look a bit pants.
If people feel like booing then why get so het up about it? People obviously have polar feelings about the monarchy and it's symbolism/meaning/function, if someone wants to show protest then surely we can be robust enough in our views to accept it?
I guarantee far fewer people will boo the anthem than booed the kneeling last season, just saying
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Not going. Not watching. Will follow it on here after work. Bet Gerrard plays one up front.
Similar to my ritual nowadays. Mostly it involves usually not bothering to watch at stupid o'clock (Japan is 8 or 9 hours ahead)
Started towards the end of Smith's time when I got fed up of the crap football he served up, and has continued through pea headed Scouserball.
We did well against Man City, and I think we'll get a draw here. Fear that Southampton might be too good for us.
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I plan to turn up after the anthem is over. Have had arguments with fans like chrisw, who can't bear that anyone else doesn't share their opinion, at games before and it puts you on edge. I'd rather miss that unpleasantness by arriving just as the match kicks off.
Yep I agree, that’s a good idea. If you don’t sing the anthem you put yourself out for ridicule etc. As I have said I think the best and polite thing to do is not to participate and that is what I will do.
I don’t think that anyone will care whether you join in or not. What some people will take offence at though if we get the odd nobba that boos like some of the Liverpool lot did the other night which quite frankly would make us look a bit pants.
If people feel like booing then why get so het up about it? People obviously have polar feelings about the monarchy and it's symbolism/meaning/function, if someone wants to show protest then surely we can be robust enough in our views to accept it?
I guarantee far fewer people will boo the anthem than booed the kneeling last season, just saying
Because then, even if its incredibly unlikely, we all get tarred with the same brush as being ‘look at me’ throbbers’ unable to just keep schtumb whether we agree with the monarchy or not. Just because you can use these occasions to make a point, it doesn’t mean you should.
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Nobody is so exercised by the constitutional settlement of the UK to feel so moved to anger that they boo during a period of respect. Even the most self proclaimed ardent Republican on here is about as committed to that cause as Small Heath's owners are to making them a serious enterprise. Booing would be all about you and drawing attention to yourself, so have a day off from such narcissistic tendencies.
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A brush firmly in the hands of the mostly right wing opinion piece writers and hysterical culture war types. Who cares?
Also the point of protest is exactly this, you should because you can and this is the beauty of a free society
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A brush firmly in the hands of the mostly right wing opinion piece writers and hysterical culture war types. Who cares?
Also the point of protest is exactly this, you should because you can and this is the beauty of a free society
Is it true, that "God hates fags"?
You're confusing an individuals freedom to "protest" with another individuals freedom to judge you. It's a moral argument, a societal one, it's not about freedoms, those aren't up for debate.
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A brush firmly in the hands of the mostly right wing opinion piece writers and hysterical culture war types. Who cares?
Also the point of protest is exactly this, you should because you can and this is the beauty of a free society
Is it true, that "God hates fags"?
You're confusing an individuals freedom to "protest" with another individuals freedom to judge you. It's a moral argument, a societal one, it's not about freedoms, those aren't up for debate.
Yes, have you seen the price of 20 B&H these days?
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Nobody is so exercised by the constitutional settlement of the UK to feel so moved to anger that they boo during a period of respect. Even the most self proclaimed ardent Republican on here is about as committed to that cause as Small Heath's owners are to making them a serious enterprise. Booing would be all about you and drawing attention to yourself, so have a day off from such narcissistic tendencies.
This is my view.
I'll be silent with everyone else in respect for the grandmother of a Villa fan, not for the ceremonial office she held.
I'll be silent during the anthem, as I have been during every anthem I've been present for
I never sung as a kid due to having a crap voice. Since around age twelve I've been an atheist and anti-royalist, so have opted out for that reason.
In my view funerals and commemorations are not the time for protests, whether permissible or not.
Either stay silent or stay away.
The Coronation however, that's different
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A brush firmly in the hands of the mostly right wing opinion piece writers and hysterical culture war types. Who cares?
Also the point of protest is exactly this, you should because you can and this is the beauty of a free society
Is it true, that "God hates fags"?
You're confusing an individuals freedom to "protest" with another individuals freedom to judge you. It's a moral argument, a societal one, it's not about freedoms, those aren't up for debate.
Yes, have you seen the price of 20 B&H these days?
Haha I like it!
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A brush firmly in the hands of the mostly right wing opinion piece writers and hysterical culture war types. Who cares?
Also the point of protest is exactly this, you should because you can and this is the beauty of a free society
Is it true, that "God hates fags"?
You're confusing an individuals freedom to "protest" with another individuals freedom to judge you. It's a moral argument, a societal one, it's not about freedoms, those aren't up for debate.
There is no truth, only opinion and morals based on shaky ground either way, so I'm not confusing them, just saying we should all be less judgy. And that goes both ways.
And using the god hates fags comparison here is absolutely nonsense and you know it
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Coutinho put in his best performance for us against them, wonder if that will count for anything? I hope so.
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His best performance was against Leeds, IMO.
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He used to pick on them a bit when he was at Liverpool so I'm hopeful tonight.
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The quality of the song isn't in question. It's the willingness of people who live and presumably make a living in this country to be prepared to, at the very least, just shut the fuck up and show a bit of respect for about 60 seconds, whatever the wider view on the Royal familiy.
Fuck the jug eared, tax dodging, pro-hunting arsehole and his shitey song. He has done precisely nothing to earn my respect.
That first, childish, insult belittles the rest of the (very valid) point you're making.
FWIW I like the fact we have a national anthem, less so what it's about. We could do with something that's more about the country and less about a monarch or a god.
It's a bit like singing terrace songs, I prefer the ones that are about the Villa and players and don't get the obsessional ones about the shite across the city. But I'll join in, to help the atmosphere, or I won't and will just keep watching.
There are people who will judge whether you've joined in with the anthem, or the song, and make accusations either way. But it's about choice and people should respect it.
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There are childish insults all the time on here directed to eg Liz Truss or Boris Johnson which pass without complaint. Charles Windsor should be equally open to disrespect.
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Edit: can't be arsed.
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A brush firmly in the hands of the mostly right wing opinion piece writers and hysterical culture war types. Who cares?
Also the point of protest is exactly this, you should because you can and this is the beauty of a free society
Is it true, that "God hates fags"?
You're confusing an individuals freedom to "protest" with another individuals freedom to judge you. It's a moral argument, a societal one, it's not about freedoms, those aren't up for debate.
There is no truth, only opinion and morals based on shaky ground either way, so I'm not confusing them, just saying we should all be less judgy. And that goes both ways.
And using the god hates fags comparison here is absolutely nonsense and you know it
I actually think it's a perfect example, but twisted up a bit. The sort of people that want their rights to say 'god hates fags' (alongside sexist, racist, transphobic, etc comments) protected are exactly the same people who will 'kick off' if someone voices their opinion on the existence of the monarchy or the nature of god. The alt-right movement likes to throw the word snowflake around whenever they get challenged on their views but completely miss the fact that all their arguments in defence of those views gets ignored when it gets flipped around.
That said I'm not sure what this has to do with the game tonight.
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Is there a game on tonight?
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A brush firmly in the hands of the mostly right wing opinion piece writers and hysterical culture war types. Who cares?
Also the point of protest is exactly this, you should because you can and this is the beauty of a free society
Is it true, that "God hates fags"?
You're confusing an individuals freedom to "protest" with another individuals freedom to judge you. It's a moral argument, a societal one, it's not about freedoms, those aren't up for debate.
There is no truth, only opinion and morals based on shaky ground either way, so I'm not confusing them, just saying we should all be less judgy. And that goes both ways.
And using the god hates fags comparison here is absolutely nonsense and you know it
I actually think it's a perfect example, but twisted up a bit. The sort of people that want their rights to say 'god hates fags' (alongside sexist, racist, transphobic, etc comments) protected are exactly the same people who will 'kick off' if someone voices their opinion on the existence of the monarchy or the nature of god. The alt-right movement likes to throw the word snowflake around whenever they get challenged on their views but completely miss the fact that all their arguments in defence of those views gets ignored when it gets flipped around.
That said I'm not sure what this has to do with the game tonight.
It has everything to do with the game tonight, Paul. The Little Mermaid should not be black. FACT.
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So yeah, the game...Ings is just the type of player who would always score against us if we sold him. Time for him to do it against his old mates.
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His best performance was against Leeds, IMO.
Agree with that. Genuinely think his first half showing against Leeds at home might be the best 45 minutes I've ever seen any Villa player ever play.
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Is it true, that "God hates fags"?
Yes. I have heard on good authority that God is a cigar smoker much like myself.
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Villa twitter feed suggested that a few missed training yesterday, including both keepers
Seemed to be a number of people sick.
No mention of COVID. Not sure what the rules are these days regarding reporting of that or isolation
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There are childish insults all the time on here directed to eg Liz Truss or Boris Johnson which pass without complaint. Charles Windsor should be equally open to disrespect.
I know. I agree with the other points, that's all, just felt like they were weakened by the start. Anyway, I'll withdraw my comment for fear of spoiling a perfectly decent thread, and out of respect for the Queen, it's what she would have wanted for her son and heir. Still at least his crown will stay on, eh?
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Is it true, that "God hates fags"?
Yes. I have heard on good authority that God is a cigar smoker much like myself.
I heard otherwise. Crystal Meth all the way!
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Nobody is so exercised by the constitutional settlement of the UK to feel so moved to anger that they boo during a period of respect. Even the most self proclaimed ardent Republican on here is about as committed to that cause as Small Heath's owners are to making them a serious enterprise. Booing would be all about you and drawing attention to yourself, so have a day off from such narcissistic tendencies.
This is my view.
I'll be silent with everyone else in respect for the grandmother of a Villa fan, not for the ceremonial office she held.
I'll be silent during the anthem, as I have been during every anthem I've been present for
I never sung as a kid due to having a crap voice. Since around age twelve I've been an atheist and anti-royalist, so have opted out for that reason.
In my view funerals and commemorations are not the time for protests, whether permissible or not.
Either stay silent or stay away.
The Coronation however, that's different
This seems like the sensible, grownup thing to do if for nothing else then that any overt show of defiance will provoke a reaction that will negatively impact the atmosphere.
We cannot afford to be tentative but if we can start positively and get on top of them early we should win.
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Villa twitter feed suggested that a few missed training yesterday, including both keepers
Seemed to be a number of people sick.
No mention of COVID. Not sure what the rules are these days regarding reporting of that or isolation
You'd think if it was serious concern we'd have signed a keeper on short term deal, Newcastle and Everton both signed keepers this week to cover this weekend's games.
One of the two will play, hopefully Emi who I'm sure has played through injuries for us given he's been struggling to kick the ball near end in a few of them.
No idea who the sub keeper would be given we loaned Sinsalo out. Is Steer fit now from his latest achilles injury?
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Gerrard confirmed Martinez, Olsen and Watkins face last minute checks to see if they're fit to play. He did sound optimistic about Martinez playing though.
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Think Ings will start then, Ollie on bench perhaps if he's not 100%.
I'd be o.k with that as we should be on the front foot and create some decent chances that Ings can put away.
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Nobody is so exercised by the constitutional settlement of the UK to feel so moved to anger that they boo during a period of respect. Even the most self proclaimed ardent Republican on here is about as committed to that cause as Small Heath's owners are to making them a serious enterprise. Booing would be all about you and drawing attention to yourself, so have a day off from such narcissistic tendencies.
I agree entirely with your reasoning, but this might be exaggerating …
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Is it true, that "God hates fags"?
Yes. I have heard on good authority that God is a cigar smoker much like myself.
McGrath smokes?
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Villa twitter feed suggested that a few missed training yesterday, including both keepers
Seemed to be a number of people sick.
No mention of COVID. Not sure what the rules are these days regarding reporting of that or isolation
You'd think if it was serious concern we'd have signed a keeper on short term deal, Newcastle and Everton both signed keepers this week to cover this weekend's games.
One of the two will play, hopefully Emi who I'm sure has played through injuries for us given he's been struggling to kick the ball near end in a few of them.
No idea who the sub keeper would be given we loaned Sinsalo out. Is Steer fit now from his latest achilles injury?
No, I don't think so. Filip Marschall would have to go in goal.
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Bloody hate playing Saints. A nice comfortable win please.
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We ought to win this one comfortably. But Aston Villa don’t do ‘ought.’
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We do quite a bit of nought.
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I heard otherwise. Crystal Meth all the way!
Of course - has anyone ever seen a Duck Billed Platypus!
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Kamara and Digne out of the France squad.. hopefully they can show up tonight and shove it up Deschamps' arse.
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I heard otherwise. Crystal Meth all the way!
Of course - has anyone ever seen a Duck Billed Platypus!
Yes.
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There are childish insults all the time on here directed to eg Liz Truss or Boris Johnson which pass without complaint. Charles Windsor should be equally open to disrespect.
I know. I agree with the other points, that's all, just felt like they were weakened by the start. Anyway, I'll withdraw my comment for fear of spoiling a perfectly decent thread, and out of respect for the Queen, it's what she would have wanted for her son and heir. Still at least his crown will stay on, eh?
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We are amused :)
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Bloody hate playing Saints. A nice comfortable win please.
Support your local team ;)
Re no goalies available, Ben Foster rejected Newcastle for retirement cos he wanted to stay with his fam in the midlands. Maybe we could reach out to him? Take him off his bleedin' podcast for a few weeks.
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Oh dear, it's happened. We've gone full "Rangers".
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1570807228436971523?t=2B8iG03cd7pSnaZkxtgJug&s=19
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Oh dear, it's happened. We've gone full "Rangers".
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1570807228436971523?t=2B8iG03cd7pSnaZkxtgJug&s=19
Maybe don’t purchase it then?
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I won't, thanks.
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I've heard Kevin Poole is in goal. Is there any truth in this?
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That’s good news, as long as it isn’t Mervyn Day.
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Kamara and Digne out of the France squad.. hopefully they can show up tonight and shove it up Deschamps' arse.
I really they hope they do..
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Very difficult to stop viewing THE QUEUE and leave to go to Villa Park but go I must. I should have left earlier to meet the traffic.
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Oh dear, it's happened. We've gone full "Rangers".
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1570807228436971523?t=2B8iG03cd7pSnaZkxtgJug&s=19
Looks classy, well done Villa!
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Looking for positive energy performance
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No Martinez in squad
Lol
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But in the team.
How many times does that midfield have to be shit for him to wake up.
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Martinez Young Konsa Mings Digne McGinn Ramsey Kamara Coutinho Watkins Bailey
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But in the team.
How many times does that midfield have to be shit for him to wake up.
Double cock up from SG. Has to play Coutinho and McGinn in lieu of Luiz (who obviously deserves a spot on form and merit) and Ramsey who I think did quite well in a more advanced role.
It's a shame, really.