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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2018, 04:54:58 PM
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Fuck me. Nearly an utter disaster. The scoreline tells the story versus the bottom placed team. We were very poor much of the time today. Burton had lots of the ball, looked dangerous throughout and arguably the better side in the opening 20 min of first half.
Not our best performance by any stretch but we won the game. Still six straight wins and onto the game versus the Noses who will be confident coming off 2 straight wins themselves and unbeaten in 4. Won’t be easy.
Delighted for Jack. Great goal.
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A win is a win, and a 6th win at that, but bloody hell that was unnecessarily hard work.
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A win is a win but the arrogant pre match predictions by some were proven slightly optimistic!
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A win is a win but the arrogant pre match predictions by some were proven slightly optimistic!
Yep please everyone stop predicting 5-0 just because we did it on NYD.
It wasn't close to happening today and it won't be happening next week either.
SHA are picking up now so not sure we'll win next week given the defensive issues today.
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two under par performances this week and 6 pts in the bag
you know its our year
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Too many players well below par today. Elmo, Hourihane and even Albert, despite the goal.
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two under par performances this week and 6 pts in the bag
you know its our year
This.
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Three points and onto the next one against that disgusting lot.
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Yes exactly nothing wrong with optimism at all. But those comments were boadering on arrogance and it's ridiculous.
Again play like we did today next Sunday and it will end far worse than it did today. Need to really buck their ideas up.
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Didn't see any of the match but delighted with another win, it's not a bad habit to have.
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I'm comfortable with it.
I'm happier with five attacking players on the pitch and scoring, even if we let in a couple of silly goals here and there. Compared to the insipid, overly defensive stuff from earlier in the season.
There'll probably be a game we draw or lose at some point because of recklessness, but there'll be plenty more wins because we're not being held back by the likes of Whelan and Taylor.
Keep it up.
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Axel looked comfortable , Risso's trio were heavy legged I thought
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Hated that ref
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Axel looked comfortable , Risso's trio were heavy legged I thought
I blame Risso!
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The goals apart, that was a horrible game. Very little purpose to our game, so many back passes, thank goodness for Grealish and Snodgrass. If that had been any other team I'd have stopped watching after 15 minutes. As impressive as six wins in a row is, we still don't look very convincing. We'll need to freshen things up next week as the players look jaded.
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A win is a win but the arrogant pre match predictions by some were proven slightly optimistic!
You do know that it makes absolutely no difference at all if you predict 5-0, 3-1, 2-0, losing 1-0, or 6-0. We have no effect on the way the players will play. Nobody predicted 5-0 vs Bristol City and we won by that score and had they done so, other than being ridiculed we still would have won 5-0.
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6 league wins in a row for the first time in just under 28 years (21st Feb 1990). Harder work than it should have been but feck it, not playing well and still scoring 3 and winning is a good sign.
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Another massive 3 points but that was shit. Play like that next week and we'll lose.
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After conceding 1 goal in the last 5, to concede 2 at home to bottom placed Burton who coming into the game were the second lowest scorers is very poor. The defence looked unsure all game long. Hopefully today is just an anomaly.
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We've had a weakness defending corners most of the season tbh.
Thought it would be cured by Terry coming back but clearly not, bit of a weakness of Johnstone's game, he doesn't command the six yard box from set pieces.
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I think we're probably being a bit negative. You're always going to have off days, which this was, but we still won. Plus it's not like the defensive lapses are indicative of a trend, we've generally been strong at the back.
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Today we were below par, but also "unlucky". Clear penalty and an own goal 30 seconds later
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Yes that penalty decision was outrageous. Absolutely lovely play leading up to it, and they stopped him by fouling him.
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I think we're probably being a bit negative. You're always going to have off days, which this was, but we still won. Plus it's not like the defensive lapses are indicative of a trend, we've generally been strong at the back.
This for me.
We won, enjoy it :) :)
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6 league wins in a row for the first time in just under 28 years (21st Feb 1990). Harder work than it should have been but feck it, not playing well and still scoring 3 and winning is a good sign.
Or that you're riding your luck a bit. We've been wobbly in a few of these victories, if that continues someone will take points off us soon. For now though, six straight wins makes great reading.
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3 points and hopefully winning to the wire is out of the system and we can win the next game convincingly next week. Hopefully.
Just wish the Blues hadn't started to do this already.
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Very sloppy and ridden with unenforced errors. Burton were abysmal yet we just made completely unecssary decisions and put ourselves under pressure. It's almost as if we've not played Burton but played ourselves.
Johnstone and his kicking was poor;
Hutton and Elmo are chronically wasteful and seem incapable of moving the ball into space in the channel;
Snodders and Albert had some iffy moments;
We sat much too deep;
Hourihane anonymous;
Terry having a brain freeze for their goal;
Thor slowing play right down with too many touches and so many sideways or backwards balls;
And Elmo, you won't play next week, but good God what the actual fuck was that own goal?
Yet...we found away to win and never looked under any pressure. This made the poor performances all the bizarre.
Some lovely goals, especially the first. Jack was good yet again and it was a horrendous decision not to give the penalty. What a twat that referee was.
Pleased with the win and Hogan scoring again. Few changes needed for next week, but 6 on the spin is magnificent. Hopefully we use today's performance as a catalyst to refocus on matters.
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Positives - 3 well worked goals, especially the 1st. A couple of other moves, most notably the Grealish non-penalty were up there too, suggesting that there might be a really good footballing side on the verge of breaking out. The Steve Agnew effect? If so he could prove to be the best signing we've made over the last 2 seasons.
Negatives - Hourihane was anonymous, Elmohamady looked awful on the ball, apart from the cross for Albert and Johnstone needs to consistently command the 6 yard box.
Relieved to take / satisfied with the 3 points. Roll on next Sunday.
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I think that's harsh on Burton Ads, who I generally thought tried to pass the ball well, and in Dyer I think they had one of the best players on the pitch.
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Can’t knock six on the spin, and the distant past means jack-all, but... I can’t help thinking of us stuttering against Bolton under Gregory and the effect that game had on us. It’s bollocks, I know, but <shudder>
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Elmo’s finish was absolutely top drawer. He nearly took out the net.
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Keep the momentum rolling however you do it Villa. Well done the lot of you, fans and players.
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6 wins on the bounce and one of the favourites for automatic promotion yet people still moan, probably the “fans” that don’t go down the matches.
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'Just home & didn't hear or see anything of today's game. It doesn't sound like we were much cop - judging by the comments I've read - but at least we held on for the win. Methinks ideas will have to well & truly be bucked-up if we're to dispatch the bizarrely in-form Sty Dwellers: especially in a defensive capacity. We go again...
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6 wins on the bounce and one of the favourites for automatic promotion yet people still moan, probably the “fans” that don’t go down the matches.
Oh do fuck off with that bollocks. I didn’t go down, yet watched the game and saw what many people who went to the game saw.
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Good to win, you have to wonder if we have some sort of agreement with Tottenham and Manchester United to give their boys game time because I didn’t feel they needed to come on at the point steve made the subs.
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6 wins on the bounce and one of the favourites for automatic promotion yet people still moan, probably the “fans” that don’t go down the matches.
Oh do fuck off with that bollocks. I didn’t go down, yet watched the game and saw what many people who went to the game saw.
None of that if you don't mind.
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Other than from jack, very little drive going forward.
It felt like we never got out of second gear.
I’m starting to get very frustrated with Hourihane, who seems to be affecting games less and less.
Still, 3 points and maybe a little smack on the arse to remind us we have a lot more to do yet.
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The subs seemed to interrupt our flow. If there were changes to be made at that point I would have expected Davis and Onomah to replace Hogan and Hourihane. I can only think that Snodgrass had a knock or that taking him off was to protect him from a second yellow card.
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Yes that penalty decision was outrageous. Absolutely lovely play leading up to it, and they stopped him by fouling him.
The ref was completely shit. So many petty decisions all game - he just didn't allow the game to flow. Crazy amount of bookings.
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I still worry about Hogan, despite the recent goals. 14 touches today, according to Whoscored. Obviously one of those was the goal so that's great, but other than that he offers nothing. No runs, no touches, no build up play, he really is just there to tap it in.
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The subs seemed to interrupt our flow. If there were changes to be made at that point I would have expected Davis and Onomah to replace Hogan and Hourihane. I can only think that Snodgrass had a knock or that taking him off was to protect him from a second yellow card.
Putting onomah on was like going down to 10 men.
The ref was pants no protection whatsoever for grealish, John terry is worst game for us and he has been brilliant up to now and Adomah off the pace. True reflection of a poor game. Btw man of the match Hutton or grealish
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6 wins on the bounce and one of the favourites for automatic promotion yet people still moan, probably the “fans” that don’t go down the matches.
They're as much of a fan as you are so there is really no need for the snide remarks.
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Six wins on the bounce is great but for me we're still too often unconvincing, somewhat negative or at least over cautious, and having to grind it out or hang on at the end. Against the bottom team at home, that shouldn't really be happening. I suppose we should focus on the positives but I just wish Bruce would let them go for it a bit more. My fear is that if he doesn't, our luck could run out. I don't expect much attacking intent next week.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11235465/aston-villa-3-2-burton)
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Just got back in after being at the game. Made very hard work of it, but got over the line in the end. We just looked a bit flat from the off really and looked a little unsure at the back at times.
That said, we did have some decent spells during the game and we have players who are capable of producing match winning bits of quality in the final third. The goals were decent and the first was particularly good.
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I knew it wouldn't be easy so I'm delighted with the result.
Was annoyed that Bruce took off both wingers at the same time. Why not stagger the subs run the clock down?
I understood getting them off if they're tired and he did want to get the new lad from man utd on to snuff out the dangerous Dyer.
It would have been better to leave one of the two on for another 5 mins as soon as both went off burton scored.
great goals and Grealish is wonderful to watch at the moment even his tracking back was excellent. stone wall penalty.
Hogans work rate was out of this world. It was like he was doing shuttle runs chasing down burton centre halves who were playing it square to each other.
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Three wins a row fae Clyde, SIX wins in a row for Villa.
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON???
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The subs seemed to interrupt our flow. If there were changes to be made at that point I would have expected Davis and Onomah to replace Hogan and Hourihane. I can only think that Snodgrass had a knock or that taking him off was to protect him from a second yellow card.
Putting onomah on was like going down to 10 men.
The ref was pants no protection whatsoever for grealish, John terry is worst game for us and he has been brilliant up to now and Adomah off the pace. True reflection of a poor game. Btw man of the match Hutton or grealish
Putting Onomah out wide isn’t really working. We really could do with Green being on the bench as a wide option.
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That's what happens when you don't pay the opposition any respect, especially in relation to the substitutions which were poorly timed and meant we unnecessarily surrendered the middle of the park, Tuanzebe totally wasted where he was played.
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Pretty poor performance but there were some encouraging spells.
Grealish was excellent, great goal. Too many players looked jaded I thought.
Still, we took three points, and that is exactly the sort of result you need to pick up routinely to get out this division. We need to raise our game considerably for small heath though. It'll be their cup final and they're showing a bit of form at the moment.
I thought some of their players looked hugely overweight. Numbers 5 and 6 looked like the fat sweaty coppers off the fast show.
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Pretty poor performance but there were some encouraging spells.
Grealish was excellent, great goal. Too many players looked jaded I thought.
Still, we took three points, and that is exactly the sort of result you need to pick up routinely to get out this division. We need to raise our game considerably for small heath though. It'll be their cup final and they're showing a bit of form at the moment.
I thought some of their players looked hugely overweight. Numbers 5 and 6 looked like the fat sweaty coppers off the fast show.
The keeper was a bit of a 'unit' as well.
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Oh yes, forgot to say, I thought Bruce almost threw it away with those subs.
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We were poor today, we made harder work of it than we should have but happy we got the points. The subs he made were a bit unnecessary and seemed to fuck us up a bit. As for the ref, him and the linesman on the Trinity Road side were utterly crap.
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That first goal was a thing of beauty!
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all three of them were and we should have had a penalty. I thought we looked ok going forward but defensively you know that at dome point collective narcolepsy will set in and it did. We have to learn how to defend corners and like others, I couldn't see the wisdom of the substitutions.
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I still worry about Hogan, despite the recent goals. 14 touches today, according to Whoscored. Obviously one of those was the goal so that's great, but other than that he offers nothing. No runs, no touches, no build up play, he really is just there to tap it in.
I thought he ran his arse off today. As for only being there for tap ins, a tad harsh considering some of the headers he's put away recently.
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I think you can get away with that in the Championship, as long as he's always moving and dragging defenders out of position, creating space for others. It's tougher in the PL of course, but we can cross that bridge when we get there.
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6 wins on the bounce and one of the favourites for automatic promotion yet people still moan, probably the “fans” that don’t go down the matches.
Almost every around me in the Holte thought we were for the most part rubbish.
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A win is a win, thought start of 2nd half we were trying too hard to score the perfect goal rather than just trying to get 2/3 clear.
Thought one iffy pass aside Thor played well, Jack is the forward driving force & Hogan ran himself ragged. Hutton again did ok at left back.
Actually think it’s a shame that Spurs didn’t recall Onomah, would far prefer to Green come on for Adomah than Onomah who for me is the only one who isn’t prepared to put his body on th line for the cause.
Referee haha!!
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I still worry about Hogan, despite the recent goals. 14 touches today, according to Whoscored. Obviously one of those was the goal so that's great, but other than that he offers nothing. No runs, no touches, no build up play, he really is just there to tap it in.
I thought he ran his arse off today. As for only being there for tap ins, a tad harsh considering some of the headers he's put away recently.
The thing is as well that his movement creates the tap ins so he's making goals certainties when he does it.
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Well I thought we made hard work of that. Seems odd that we played poorly yet crafted some superb goals. Can't knock playing below par again but picking up another three points - essential today given the way other results went. Ref was a twat - seemed determined to interpret anything like a foul in the box as a dive and a yellow. Listening to the brief phone-in after the game was as odd as ever - 'Tom', who seems to call in after every game, thought it was an exciting game and we could have easily won by 5 or 6 (obviously watched a different game to me); and the blue-nose who called in and couldn't resist talking about Tom and the Villa. Roll on next Sunday
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Made hard work of it but we fully deserved the win and played some really good stuff at times.
Was Grealish unlucky to be booked for diving? I thought it was a pen but then I’m clearly biased.
Grealish was immense, by the way.
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I still worry about Hogan, despite the recent goals. 14 touches today, according to Whoscored. Obviously one of those was the goal so that's great, but other than that he offers nothing. No runs, no touches, no build up play, he really is just there to tap it in.
Spot on. I said much the same at the match. He’s never in the game. Grabban will be first choice before long I think.
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Not the best today .....
You would not have changed the starting team BUT there was no balance on the bench
This meant the changes just left the team without players in the right position
The bench didn't need the amount of holding midfielders/defenders today but needed more attacking threat eg green
First name I think on bench next week could well be Gabby
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6 wins on the bounce and one of the favourites for automatic promotion yet people still moan, probably the “fans” that don’t go down the matches.
Almost every around me in the Holte thought we were for the most part rubbish.
It's good to hear that some things never change! :D
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I still worry about Hogan, despite the recent goals. 14 touches today, according to Whoscored. Obviously one of those was the goal so that's great, but other than that he offers nothing. No runs, no touches, no build up play, he really is just there to tap it in.
Spot on. I said much the same at the match. He’s never in the game. Grabban will be first choice before long I think.
Yes, 5 goals in 5 games is poor?.....Come on, Hogan needs support up front. Service to him apart from the goal was lacking today. He worked extremely hard off the ball.
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Pleased with 3 points. Some great Villa goals. Johnstone should have come for cross which Chester had to head out for a corner leading to their first goal. Chester wasn't happy with him. For me game turned on questionable substitutions at a questionable time allied to the sh-ttiest of the sh-t referees we seem to attract to Villa Park. For me Grealish was treated harshly re the pen incident. 6 in a row is brill, now to paste the scum next weekend! UTV
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Perhaps if we played another player up top , Hogan wouldn’t be so isolated .
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BTW, we scored a couple of cracking goals today (especially the opener), but the 2 conceded were bloody awful. Since when have our back four been told to make like statues? Somebody needs to kick a few posteriors before them 'nose scumbags crawl into VP.
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Pretty poor performance but there were some encouraging spells.
Grealish was excellent, great goal. Too many players looked jaded I thought.
Still, we took three points, and that is exactly the sort of result you need to pick up routinely to get out this division. We need to raise our game considerably for small heath though. It'll be their cup final and they're showing a bit of form at the moment.
I thought some of their players looked hugely overweight. Numbers 5 and 6 looked like the fat sweaty coppers off the fast show.
The keeper was a bit of a 'unit' as well.
Yes! I forgot about him, he looked more like a lorry driver than a footballer.
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Perhaps if we played another player up top , Hogan wouldn’t be so isolated .
We have enough trouble controlling midfield with three in there. Which two do you think would be up to it?
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I still worry about Hogan, despite the recent goals. 14 touches today, according to Whoscored. Obviously one of those was the goal so that's great, but other than that he offers nothing. No runs, no touches, no build up play, he really is just there to tap it in.
I thought he ran his arse off today. As for only being there for tap ins, a tad harsh considering some of the headers he's put away recently.
I agree, he chased everything down.
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Play poorly and win or play well and lose? I know which one I prefer. A couple of changes for next week and better focus please. Lovely goals today. Shame all the results didn’t go our way but I guess we should only worry about ourselves.
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I still worry about Hogan, despite the recent goals. 14 touches today, according to Whoscored. Obviously one of those was the goal so that's great, but other than that he offers nothing. No runs, no touches, no build up play, he really is just there to tap it in.
Spot on. I said much the same at the match. He’s never in the game. Grabban will be first choice before long I think.
Yes, 5 goals in 5 games is poor?.....Come on, Hogan needs support up front. Service to him apart from the goal was lacking today. He worked extremely hard off the ball.
Who said 5 in 5 is poor?
There are strikers who score goals but also participate in the rest of the game. Look at how we used to main about the service for Bent, then Benteke came in and showed what a difference an all-round player can make.
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YT highlights for those of us outside the UK
https://youtu.be/weHALLhSgiY
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The build up to the Hogan goal was superb
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Putting Onomah out wide isn’t really working. We really could do with Green being on the bench as a wide option.
Putting Onomah out wide very close to place near Seven Sisters Road will help in my opinion.
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Two wins without playing on top form is what's needed during a long season. Over a week to rest and prepare for that lot.
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The goals we conceded were poor and from our own doing; a wild hack by Elmo and Terry switching off at the end, but we scored some good goals and I actually thought we were comfortably better than them. Their build up play was slow and lacked the incisiveness we displayed at times and only Dyer looked dangerous.
I was in line with the Grealish 'dive' and the decision looked ridiculous. You could also tell by the players' reactions. The substitutions seemed odd especially as both had just been involved in the goal.
There was definitely some complacency, and I do think Hogan needs to offer more, despite his goal scoring form, whilst Hourihane is suffering a dip and Onomah needs to apply himself more (potentially a good player in there, but it doesn't show up consistently enough). However, after the debacle at Brentford, I'd never have thought we'd win the next six so I can't knock it.
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The build up to the Hogan goal was superb
There were enough warnings to Burton that we were playing that ball as Adomah got caught offside a number of times before the excellent ball from Snoddy for the goal.
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Made hard work of it but we fully deserved the win and played some really good stuff at times.
Was Grealish unlucky to be booked for diving? I thought it was a pen but then I’m clearly biased.
Grealish was immense, by the way.
Watching from Upper Witton End that was a nailed on pen as the defender caught his shin. The Ref was in a stupid mood today.
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Perhaps if we played another player up top , Hogan wouldn’t be so isolated .
We have enough trouble controlling midfield with three in there. Which two do you think would be up to it?
Thought Hourihane was poor today - could have played Davis alongside Hogan for a while.
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Oh, and another thing - great to see Snoddy come out of the dugout to celebrate Jack's goal with him. Seems like we've got some good team spirit going
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Elmohamady - what the shivering fuck?
That's really all I have to say. #9s need to be there for the tap-ins and Hogan was. I don't see the point in criticising. He's finally doing what we bought him to do.
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I'm glad we had a bad game and got a win ironically. It's what good teams do. And actually a shake up before our next game drives out complacency. Great result. Come on Villa. Believe
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6 wins on the bounce and one of the favourites for automatic promotion yet people still moan, probably the “fans” that don’t go down the matches.
Mate I go to every match and that was unnecessarily painful and fans who can't/didn't go have total right to moan if they want to.
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What were Terry and Chester doing for their second goal?
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The referee was absolutely diabolical.
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What were Terry and Chester doing for their second goal?
From looking at the highlights I thought Hutton was playing the the Burton player onside.
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Is Bruce ok? I noticed that Calderwood did the post match interview again.
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Negatives - Hourihane was anonymous, Elmohamady looked awful on the ball, apart from the cross for Albert and Johnstone needs to consistently command the 6 yard box.
I thought he took his goal well ;D The cross was from Snodgrass for Albert's goal Elmo set up Jack.
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I very much doubt that John Terry has ever been in a defence that conceded two goals as soppy as those we conceded today. The OG was inxcuseable.
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Ireland's goal at Stamford Bridge was nice and soft under TSM MkI
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That fucking ref was clueless - the only thing he got right was their dive.
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That fucking ref was clueless - the only thing he got right was their dive.
I said the same thing on the way home. He was hopeless.
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This can be the only place in the world where we win 6 games in a row and we are shitting ourselves because we are playing Blues. The whole league are worried about playing us but we are still not happy. I think that says more about us as fans than the team. FFS have a bit of faith.
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It’s not a collective voice mate.
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Some absolute quality from Grealish and Snodgrass today, which was great because it seemed in short supply for long periods of the game.
...and that referee. I barely know where to start. Did he win a competition to do that today?
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The referee was absolutely diabolical.
The one linesman didn't appear to understand the offside rule and seemed to be under the impression that he was required to raise his flag every time we played the ball forward.
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This can be the only place in the world where we win 6 games in a row and we are shitting ourselves because we are playing Blues. The whole league are worried about playing us but we are still not happy. I think that says more about us as fans than the team. FFS have a bit of faith.
I'm certainly not shitting myself. Slightly wary due to the fact they have finally started to find some semblance of form to add to the fact playing us is their cup final. But I definitely won't be putting money on any other result than a Villa win.
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Negatives - Hourihane was anonymous, Elmohamady looked awful on the ball, apart from the cross for Albert and Johnstone needs to consistently command the 6 yard box.
I thought he took his goal well ;D The cross was from Snodgrass for Albert's goal Elmo set up Jack.
Post in haste, repent at leisure. 😕
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What were Terry and Chester doing for their second goal?
From looking at the highlights I thought Hutton was playing the the Burton player onside.
Terry looked completely bewildered, I presume he thought Hutton was dealing with the runner.
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YT highlights for those of us outside the UK
https://youtu.be/weHALLhSgiY
Jeez, theb defending for the Burton 2nd was awful.
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This can be the only place in the world where we win 6 games in a row and we are shitting ourselves because we are playing Blues. The whole league are worried about playing us but we are still not happy. I think that says more about us as fans than the team. FFS have a bit of faith.
No. The concern is that whilst the first 11 looks okay, the options off the bench were shit. We should have had a much more positive bench selection to offer alternatives to the starting 11.
Too cautious, which meant we were defending the lead rather than building on it.
I didn’t see the game, by the way, so feel free to disagree!
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YT highlights for those of us outside the UK
https://youtu.be/weHALLhSgiY
Jeez, theb defending for the Burton 2nd was awful.
I hope you reside outside the UK as this link was for those fans only
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>:(YT highlights for those of us outside the UK
https://youtu.be/weHALLhSgiY
Jeez, theb defending for the Burton 2nd was awful.
I hope you reside outside the UK as this link was for those fans only
Thanks from Rome. That Grealish volley was sweet.
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I've just watched Mark Williams beat Judd Trump 6 - 1 non of you would have predicted that. I dare say most of you would say Trump is the better player. Well he definitely makes more entertaining shots but the score suggests Williams is the far better player. If you take things dor granted you get walloped. Just saying like with the unwashed making an appearance next week. We will make the more entertaining play but ask Trump how he feels now. Being a fancy Dan.
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I didn't think we played as poorly as has been said. Burton were nothing special but I'll give them their due, they moved the ball rather than just hoofing it. However, that scoreline was far more flattering to them than the win was to us. I cannot stand Championship officials - the team today couldn't wait to give brave little Burton everything, and it disrupted any kind of rhythm we tried to establish. I'm sick of referees subconsciously trying to even up their incompetence.
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Literally just got back in cos trains heading south from New Street were either cancelled or delayed today.
First ten mins i thought we were a bit dozy and Burton looked lively. Once we got going - and i think some of the midfield play and interchanging from Snodgrass and Grealish in particular was very good - we were comfortable. At 2-0 we were cruising until the ref didnt give us a penalty when Grealish brought down, Burton went right up the other end and scored. Once Jack got the third - great volley - i thought Burton were lucky to grab their second, the ball deflected to their striker who couldnt miss. The game reminded me of Norwich earlier in the year, we were well on top but let in two daft goals to make it look a closer game than it was.
The ref was shocking. Crowd was quite quiet at times but in good voice when we scored or let the ref know what we thought of him. Burton's support was pathetic. As for individuals, Grealish was excellent, Hogan was Dean Saunders-ish the way he chased everything, he worked his nuts off. Bjarnson had a mixed game, goal saving challenge early on but a couple of other times he was sloppy. Johnstone really didnt have anything to do other than pick the ball out of his net twice, Hutton was excellent and we've won another game so why there were so many unhappy Villa fans on the Witton-New Street train after the game i do not know.
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I went today.
So this is it, the ends justify the means.
No one cares, it’s 6 in a row.
I hate Bruceball.
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Terry was ball watching for their third but Hutton should have been covering, was nervous about this game because no matter how good the coach players will tend to drop their effort when facing perceived weak opposition, we got the points that's what matters and he should have them up and about for next week.
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I went today.
So this is it, the ends justify the means.
No one cares, it’s 6 in a row.
I hate Bruceball.
I thought we played some really good stuff today.
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I went today.
So this is it, the ends justify the means.
No one cares, it’s 6 in a row.
I hate Bruceball.
I thought we played some really good stuff today.
So did I. I can't see how anyone could have watched us much over the last few years and be angered by what they saw today.
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I went today.
So this is it, the ends justify the means.
No one cares, it’s 6 in a row.
I hate Bruceball.
I thought we played some really good stuff today.
So did I. I can't see how anyone could have watched us much over the last few years and be angered by what they saw today.
I am not was not angered.
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The first goal was excellent football.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
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I went today.
So this is it, the ends justify the means.
No one cares, it’s 6 in a row.
I hate Bruceball.
I thought we played some really good stuff today.
So did I. I can't see how anyone could have watched us much over the last few years and be angered by what they saw today.
I am not was not angered.
Sorry, to use the word "hate" I'd assumed a level of anger.
Haven't you seen the fucking dross we've watched for years now? Today we had a goal scored from a lovely move followed by a slide rule pass, a nicely floated cross to the far post, and a superbly taken volley.
Most of the last six or seven years, to see three goals that decent you'd have need to attend an entire season's worth of games.
Saying the end justifies the means suggests we're some sort of horrible Pulis tyle team, which we clearly are not.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
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That OG from Elmo is as bad as it gets
Some nice goals, great for Grealish to get off the mark. No doubt he will be targeted for the full 90 mins next Sunday. It was clear from last Tuesday and on reports here from today, that a number of our players are flagging badly at the moment. Elmo, Hourihane, AA to mention three. I don't buy the whole you can't change a winning team mantra. If Burton at home isn't the time to give the likes of Green and O'Hare game time then when is. Our bench today was ridiculous.
Huge selection next Sunday. I think Jedinak will need to come in maybe next to BB, Houihane's form is a worry.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was liquid football.
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Some of the best passing by a Villa player today was from Mr Terry. Outstanding for a centre back - at one point he threaded a throughball to Adomah that Glenn Hoddle would have been proud of.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
Err...The 40 yard pass by Snodgrass to put Adomah through was brilliant regardless of calibre of opposition. Accuracy vision and execution was perfect.
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Huge selection next Sunday. I think Jedinak will need to come in maybe next to BB, Houihane's form is a worry.
Why go we need to play two DMs against bottom half table opposition?
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You can only beat whats in front of you. Today it was Burton and we beat them. Doesnt matter how you do it, most goals you score need to be fairly well worked. When Fulham beat Burton 6-0 the other week their supporters were probably all cooing over their play and taking nothing away from their performance just because it was Burton.
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Our first goal was like that one under BFR when we had God knows how many passes and 10 of our players were involved (was it against Wednesday?). That was football at its finest. The own goal was about the worst I've ever seen and Burton's second was a beaut. All told, some good moments, some panics, and exactly what football should be. Can we have that (including the final score) every week please. I swear I'd never tire of it and have already forgotten every dull or dire moment in between the funny and fantastic.
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Something else great about today - Geezer Butler and Tony Iommi at half time. Made the day memorable in its own right.
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Best passing goal we've scored was the tica-taca 30 pass monster at Boro on New Years Day 1996. Super Tommy Johnson's goal isn't remembered mind as Wright biffed in that wonder volley.
Just watched our first goal again and it was better than I remember. Superb goal.
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That OG from Elmo is as bad as it gets
Some nice goals, great for Grealish to get off the mark. No doubt he will be targeted for the full 90 mins next Sunday. It was clear from last Tuesday and on reports here from today, that a number of our players are flagging badly at the moment. Elmo, Hourihane, AA to mention three. I don't buy the whole you can't change a winning team mantra. If Burton at home isn't the time to give the likes of Green and O'Hare game time then when is. Our bench today was ridiculous.
Huge selection next Sunday. I think Jedinak will need to come in maybe next to BB, Houihane's form is a worry.
You don’t buy the mantra of keeping the same team that’s won matches in a row? Most bizarre comment of the day I reckon. If a team keeps winning, why on earth would you change it?
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Another good one was Hendrie at Chelsea in 1997 - it features in the Crazy Train montage before kick off. And i was always fond of Draper vs Man United 1995 opening day, back to front counter attacking goal. And now i remember, Yorke vs Ipswich 1993. In fact, theres loads!
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
Err...The 40 yard pass by Snodgrass to put Adomah through was brilliant regardless of calibre of opposition. Accuracy vision and execution was perfect.
So the ability to complete successfull passes has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition.
Yawn
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
“I was looking for a goal and then I found a goal, and heaven knows I’m miserable now...”
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
Err...The 40 yard pass by Snodgrass to put Adomah through was brilliant regardless of calibre of opposition. Accuracy vision and execution was perfect.
So the ability to complete successfull passes has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition.
Yawn
Moaning about a good goal after winning and making it 6 wins in a row. Yawn.
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There was nothing wrong with the way Burton set up for our first, it was just brilliant attacking play. Enjoy it for what it was. God I love this game when the unexpected and brilliant happens.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
Err...The 40 yard pass by Snodgrass to put Adomah through was brilliant regardless of calibre of opposition. Accuracy vision and execution was perfect.
So the ability to complete successfull passes has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition.
Yawn
Moaning about a good goal after winning and making it 6 wins in a row. Yawn.
So when did I moan, exactly?
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
“I was looking for a goal and then I found a goal, and heaven knows I’m miserable now...”
What difference does it make ?
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Huge selection next Sunday. I think Jedinak will need to come in maybe next to BB, Houihane's form is a worry.
Why go we need to play two DMs against bottom half table opposition?
Other options, Whelan, Tuanzebe ? Onomah is off form, Lansbury can't make the match day 18.
Jedi was superb against them last season btw.
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So when did I moan, exactly?
I would say this was quite high on the moaning front:
I went today.
So this is it, the ends justify the means.
No one cares, it’s 6 in a row.
I hate Bruceball.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
“I was looking for a goal and then I found a goal, and heaven knows I’m miserable now...”
What difference does it make ?
I used to know a Jack Crump many years ago.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
Err...The 40 yard pass by Snodgrass to put Adomah through was brilliant regardless of calibre of opposition. Accuracy vision and execution was perfect.
So the ability to complete successfull passes has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition.
Yawn
It seems odd that you would acknowledge a good goal, but feel the need to denigrate it at the same time.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
Err...The 40 yard pass by Snodgrass to put Adomah through was brilliant regardless of calibre of opposition. Accuracy vision and execution was perfect.
So the ability to complete successfull passes has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition.
Yawn
Moaning about a good goal after winning and making it 6 wins in a row. Yawn.
So when did I moan, exactly?
It’s fairly obvious. It didn’t sound like an amazing performance today but we won and scored three goals, cheer up.
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So when did I moan, exactly?
I would say this was quite high on the moaning front:
I went today.
So this is it, the ends justify the means.
No one cares, it’s 6 in a row.
I hate Bruceball.
Sort of out of context as the moaning acusation was about the goal.
Hands up though, I was hoping for a more convincing performance than I saw today against limited opposition with injury problems.
I am not prepared to do The empowers new clothes thing just because Of results.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
“I was looking for a goal and then I found a goal, and heaven knows I’m miserable now...”
What difference does it make ?
I used to know a Jack Crump many years ago.
No relation sadly. My moniker is in tribute to Fred, the late and legendary Nuneaton Borough goalie who was my first footballing hero before I saw the light and watched Brian Little, Sid , Gary Shaw, BFRs teams, God, Ian Taylor, Yorkie etc. etc.....
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
Err...The 40 yard pass by Snodgrass to put Adomah through was brilliant regardless of calibre of opposition. Accuracy vision and execution was perfect.
So the ability to complete successfull passes has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition.
Yawn
It seems odd that you would acknowledge a good goal, but feel the need to denigrate it at the same time.
It seems odd that people want to gloss over a mediocre performance against poor opposition because of one decent pass.
Did not take any5hing away from my enjoyment of seeing my team score a good goal ffs.
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Btw apologies for trying to be a smart arse. "What difference does it make" is the title of a Smiths song for those of you who are non- fans :)
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
Err...The 40 yard pass by Snodgrass to put Adomah through was brilliant regardless of calibre of opposition. Accuracy vision and execution was perfect.
So the ability to complete successfull passes has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition.
Yawn
Given we've shat the bed against Peterborough and Brentford in the last six weeks or so, I'll take a glorious passing move leading to a goal against pretty much anybody, thanks.
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Pretty much everyone has said we were poor for a lot of the game so not sure there's much being glossed over.
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Burton played pretty decently, and at least tried to move it around at pace on the floor.
We seemed a bit slow at times, but when we knock it around, and Grealish gets on the ball, we can be enjoyable to watch. Adomah needed replacing, though got his goal, so well done to him.
Teams are not just going to roll over and die when they come to Villa Park, and today we've had to grind out a good win, which all the best teams have to do at times. For all their great football, Man City have, more than once this season, had to grind out 2-1 and 1-0 victories. Some of which came in the last few minutes of stoppage time.
It's a another win, and although cliche, it becomes a habit. And a damn good one. Their fans may be getting carried away by their recent upturn in form, but Blues will be well aware that they're coming to play a team on a 6 game winning run, and full of confidence.
I had a feeling watching today's game, that we didn't really get out of first gear that often, and didn't really need to. I think our players have confidence in the knowledge that we are a decent team and are damn hard to beat now.
Long may it continue.
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Another good one was Hendrie at Chelsea in 1997...
Dec '98, 2-1 defeat?
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After years of losing, depressing results and a downward trajectory we now have people complaining about "the wrong sort of victory"
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
“I was looking for a goal and then I found a goal, and heaven knows I’m miserable now...”
What difference does it make ?
Well, I wonder...
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Burton played pretty decently, and at least tried to move it around at pace on the floor.
We seemed a bit slow at times, but when we knock it around, and Grealish gets on the ball, we can be enjoyable to watch. Adomah needed replacing, though got his goal, so well done to him.
Teams are not just going to roll over and die when they come to Villa Park, and today we've had to grind out a good win, which all the best teams have to do at times. For all their great football, Man City have, more than once this season, had to grind out 2-1 and 1-0 victories. Some of which came in the last few minutes of stoppage time.
It's a another win, and although cliche, it becomes a habit. And a damn good one. Their fans may be getting carried away by their recent upturn in form, but Blues will be well aware that they're coming to play a team on a 6 game winning run, and full of confidence.
I had a feeling watching today's game, that we didn't really get out of first gear that often, and didn't really need to. I think our players have confidence in the knowledge that we are a decent team and are damn hard to beat now.
Long may it continue.
Good summary fella.
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Th >:(YT highlights for those of us outside the UK
https://youtu.be/weHALLhSgiY
Jeez, theb defending for the Burton 2nd was awful.
I hope you reside outside the UK as this link was for those fans only
Thanks from Rome. That Grealish volley was sweet.
Bwuce weleased Gwealish. He wanks vewy highly along with Tewwy.
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Another good one was Hendrie at Chelsea in 1997...
Dec '98, 2-1 defeat?
Yes. Was it 98?
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Albert scored one and made one - and yet people are unhappy with his performance? Blimey.
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Albert scored one and made one - and yet people are unhappy with his performance? Blimey.
I know. Albert is one of those players that doesn’t seem to do much - but then you reflect back (last season included) and realise “sh&t he’s had a hand in a disproportionate amount of our goals - either scoring or creating them”.
Long may he continue to be under the radar.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
“I was looking for a goal and then I found a goal, and heaven knows I’m miserable now...”
What difference does it make ?
Well, I wonder...
These Things Take Time.
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Literally just got back in cos trains heading south from New Street were either cancelled or delayed today.
First ten mins i thought we were a bit dozy and Burton looked lively. Once we got going - and i think some of the midfield play and interchanging from Snodgrass and Grealish in particular was very good - we were comfortable. At 2-0 we were cruising until the ref didnt give us a penalty when Grealish brought down, Burton went right up the other end and scored. Once Jack got the third - great volley - i thought Burton were lucky to grab their second, the ball deflected to their striker who couldnt miss. The game reminded me of Norwich earlier in the year, we were well on top but let in two daft goals to make it look a closer game than it was.
The ref was shocking. Crowd was quite quiet at times but in good voice when we scored or let the ref know what we thought of him. Burton's support was pathetic. As for individuals, Grealish was excellent, Hogan was Dean Saunders-ish the way he chased everything, he worked his nuts off. Bjarnson had a mixed game, goal saving challenge early on but a couple of other times he was sloppy. Johnstone really didnt have anything to do other than pick the ball out of his net twice, Hutton was excellent and we've won another game so why there were so many unhappy Villa fans on the Witton-New Street train after the game i do not know.
I have Been saying this all season
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Literally just got back in cos trains heading south from New Street were either cancelled or delayed today.
First ten mins i thought we were a bit dozy and Burton looked lively. Once we got going - and i think some of the midfield play and interchanging from Snodgrass and Grealish in particular was very good - we were comfortable. At 2-0 we were cruising until the ref didnt give us a penalty when Grealish brought down, Burton went right up the other end and scored. Once Jack got the third - great volley - i thought Burton were lucky to grab their second, the ball deflected to their striker who couldnt miss. The game reminded me of Norwich earlier in the year, we were well on top but let in two daft goals to make it look a closer game than it was.
The ref was shocking. Crowd was quite quiet at times but in good voice when we scored or let the ref know what we thought of him. Burton's support was pathetic. As for individuals, Grealish was excellent, Hogan was Dean Saunders-ish the way he chased everything, he worked his nuts off. Bjarnson had a mixed game, goal saving challenge early on but a couple of other times he was sloppy. Johnstone really didnt have anything to do other than pick the ball out of his net twice, Hutton was excellent and we've won another game so why there were so many unhappy Villa fans on the Witton-New Street train after the game i do not know.
I have Been saying this all season
Even the bits about Burton?
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Six wins on the bounce is great but for me we're still too often unconvincing, somewhat negative or at least over cautious, and having to grind it out or hang on at the end. Against the bottom team at home, that shouldn't really be happening. I suppose we should focus on the positives but I just wish Bruce would let them go for it a bit more. My fear is that if he doesn't, our luck could run out. I don't expect much attacking intent next week.
Pretty fair assessment in my opinion.
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Watching the Sky highlights again I think perhaps we're all a little harsh.
There was plenty of confounding and sloppy play, but we always looked like winning, created a host of chances and having a front 5 really has seen our football improve.
Our movement and passing in the final third is so much faster. Compare it to last year where we bludgeoned our way to victory.
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Six wins on the bounce is great but for me we're still too often unconvincing, somewhat negative or at least over cautious, and having to grind it out or hang on at the end. Against the bottom team at home, that shouldn't really be happening. I suppose we should focus on the positives but I just wish Bruce would let them go for it a bit more. My fear is that if he doesn't, our luck could run out. I don't expect much attacking intent next week.
Pretty fair assessment in my opinion.
Yep. The substitutions as soon as we went 2-0 up were Bruce all over. The only player who should have been taken off for us was Hourihane as his contribution in this game and of late is minimal. I’d be all for starting the Totenham lad instead of him next week. He and Grealish have a good understanding and link up well.
I’d give Hutton another year contract too as his performances this season deserve it.
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I'll take the win, no bonus points for artistic impression that I am aware of?
Well crafted goals and Grealish was yet again the best player on the pitch. Ref was awful and my main worry was that we woul lose Snoddy or Jack to a second yellow.
We need Blues to worry about us, not the other way round. However, don't forget that this is the game that is morally impossible for them to lose....
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Watching the Sky highlights again I think perhaps we're all a little harsh.
There was plenty of confounding and sloppy play, but we always looked like winning, created a host of chances and having a front 5 really has seen our football improve.
Our movement and passing in the final third is so much faster. Compare it to last year where we bludgeoned our way to victory.
The highlights do make us look better than we actually were though. You got the feeling we could have stepped up a gear but didn't seem to want to.
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Those that are of a nervous disposition and are worried about the Birmingham game (!) should watch their highlights against Sheffield Wednesday. If you think that we were in a kind mood yesterday, it is nothing compared to the shambles that Birmingham City had as opposition. Diabolical.
Not the best performance by Villa. To echo what others have said though, whilst this should have been a lot easier, teams do have good days (Clough said it was as good as they've performed this season) and bad days (the worst we've played during our run of six?) . It's good that whilst these two coincided yesterday, three points was still the end result.
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Comfortably the dullest 3-2 win I've ever been to. Bloody freezing, and barely any excitement or noise to warm the cockles.
Only thing of real note was that the pitch looked a heck of a lot better than it did against Barnsley. The UV lights seem to have taken effect pretty well.
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Apart from a hairy ending that was entirely of our own making, from kickoff I never doubted the win. Burton pressed early, but they lack sufficient quality to punish us. We still deservedly won without being anywhere close to our recent best, and that's a situation that's long overdue.
When we "play", we're really quite good, very entertaining, and productive. When we're a tad less cultured, we're none of those things. A little more flair on the bench could've seen us chip away at Derby's GD rather than falling further behind.
Three points in the bag, promotion still in our own hands, so all good. Onwards and upwards!
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having a front 5 really has seen our football improve
When I think back to earlier this season and beyond. This is what’s it’s all about. Attacking options, so much better than having one man and one plan which we seemed to have had for ever.
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Even though overall the performance was below our best we created enough chances for a more convincing win. At the moment Grealish is playing in a way where every time he gets the ball you think something is going to happen.
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A win. By the skin of our teeth. We are still only 3rd which is not good enough. Can we all stop wanking over 6 wins and work on sealing that 2nd spot. We are only third because we were shit for two whole months! A long way to go yet. Second or nothing.
We are now only third and challenging for second place largely due to those 6 consecutive victories.
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To be in our best winning run since Jesus was a lad and still be complaining about a bad few months is a tad ridiculous. Yes it happened and wasn't ideal, but we're on the crest of a wave right now and that person wants to talk about the negatives? Blimey.
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Albert scored one and made one - and yet people are unhappy with his performance? Blimey.
Ermmm...he was er too slow getting off the pitch when substituted. Leave him out against Blues that will teach him.
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I wanted to see that penalty claim again but channel 5 didn't show it. Looked blatant on first viewing.
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Think it would have been a more impressive score line if the referee had given that penalty, which probably would have made it 3-0 to us.
Burton definitely deserved to score though, played fairly good attacking football as usual.
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Think it would have been a more impressive score line if the referee had given that penalty, which probably would have made it 3-0 to us.
Burton definitely deserved to score though, played fairly good attacking football as usual.
Wasn't obvious from the highlights but was Hutton at fault for their second for not stepping out to play offside ?
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Cold day at Villa Park but 3 points in the bag, I had the feeling if Burton scored 4 we could have got 5, made hard work of getting 3 points, but come the end of the season only thing that will matter is the points total.
Bring on the scum.
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YT highlights for those of us outside the UK
https://youtu.be/weHALLhSgiY
Nice one 👍 couldn't make the game yesterday that's the first I've seen of it. Couple of things to mention. Our first goal was quality. Elmos og- wtf was that? Grealish's finish was fantastic. Their second goal? Where the fk was our defence? Schoolboy stuff. All in all it looked great at times and shambolic at other times but in the grand scheme of things 3 vital points won an that's the main thing.
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Anyone got highlights that include Jack's supposed dive? I was sure it was a penalty.
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YT highlights for those of us outside the UK
https://youtu.be/weHALLhSgiY
I really want to beat the people who do those videos up!!!! WTF is it with the crap music??????? 5 seconds and I had to turn it off.
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Have to say I don't think the crowd help the team at all. We only sing when we've just scored a goal. At other points it's silent and there is very little encouragement and nothing to drive the team on. It's a two way street, the team are winning and we're on the cusp of 2nd place, it's about time the crowd started giving something back.
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It's a difficult one really. Burton are a team we have no excuse not to beat so when a goal goes in it's expected. A goal against them does not rouse the same intensity of emotions as the last minute goal against Sheffield United the other day. I suspect the crowd next week will be up to everybody's standards.
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Will there be a home match when the weather isn't shite?
Great goals, shame about the lapses at the back, maybe we switched off thinking the job was done.
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Have to say I don't think the crowd help the team at all. We only sing when we've just scored a goal. At other points it's silent and there is very little encouragement and nothing to drive the team on. It's a two way street, the team are winning and we're on the cusp of 2nd place, it's about time the crowd started giving something back.
When they pay me to be there I'll "start giving something back".
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Have to say I don't think the crowd help the team at all. We only sing when we've just scored a goal. At other points it's silent and there is very little encouragement and nothing to drive the team on. It's a two way street, the team are winning and we're on the cusp of 2nd place, it's about time the crowd started giving something back.
When they pay me to be there I'll "start giving something back".
Kerbooom!!
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The AVFC official coverage of the game shows the penalty claim and it looks stick on to me. Unbelievable that it was not only denied but he was booked for it!
At that point we could have been 3-0 up and then maybe Burton would have folded and given us the result we thought we could expect.
I also had a bit of a look at Burton's other results to clarify whether we really should have expected a hatful. Other than us and Wolves both putting 4 past them in a week last September, and the recent pasting by Fulham, their results against the teams around us have been much of a muchness. Cardiff actually managed to lose 2-1 to them at home in August, and Fulham lost to them in September. Derby only beat them 1-0 in December, and Bristol only managed a goalless draw when they played them. So a one goal win, especially when they were so ably assisted by the ref and linesman throughout, probably isn't particularly indicative of any major shortcomings as we might think.
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Have to say I don't think the crowd help the team at all. We only sing when we've just scored a goal. At other points it's silent and there is very little encouragement and nothing to drive the team on. It's a two way street, the team are winning and we're on the cusp of 2nd place, it's about time the crowd started giving something back.
When they pay me to be there I'll "start giving something back".
👏👏👏
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The AVFC official coverage of the game shows the penalty claim and it looks stick on to me. Unbelievable that it was not only denied but he was booked for it!
At that point we could have been 3-0 up and then maybe Burton would have folded and given us the result we thought we could expect.
I also had a bit of a look at Burton's other results to clarify whether we really should have expected a hatful. Other than us and Wolves both putting 4 past them in a week last September, and the recent pasting by Fulham, their results against the teams around us have been much of a muchness. Cardiff actually managed to lose 2-1 to them at home in August, and Fulham lost to them in September. Derby only beat them 1-0 in December, and Bristol only managed a goalless draw when they played them. So a one goal win, especially when they were so ably assisted by the ref and linesman throughout, probably isn't particularly indicative of any major shortcomings as we might think.
Just saw the (non) pen decision and it was blatant, but putting that to one side, the passing and skill in the run up to foul was a delight, and it wasn’t a one off either, we played some fantastic one touch football yesterday and it mainly comes through Grealish.
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The AVFC official coverage of the game shows the penalty claim and it looks stick on to me. Unbelievable that it was not only denied but he was booked for it!
At that point we could have been 3-0 up and then maybe Burton would have folded and given us the result we thought we could expect.
I also had a bit of a look at Burton's other results to clarify whether we really should have expected a hatful. Other than us and Wolves both putting 4 past them in a week last September, and the recent pasting by Fulham, their results against the teams around us have been much of a muchness. Cardiff actually managed to lose 2-1 to them at home in August, and Fulham lost to them in September. Derby only beat them 1-0 in December, and Bristol only managed a goalless draw when they played them. So a one goal win, especially when they were so ably assisted by the ref and linesman throughout, probably isn't particularly indicative of any major shortcomings as we might think.
Yes, the Grealish incident is at almost exactly the 68th minute in the match. It was an absolutely disgraceful decision, and ended a lovely bit of play from Villa, which started with patient build up from the back, and ended with some lovely interplay between Grealish and Onomah. You can see that their defender moves from the contact. It's as clear and obvious a penalty as you'll ever see. I hope the ref gets to sit out a game or two because of it.
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Will the booking be rescinded?
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I think you can only appeal red cards.
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I had given up getting on my feet and giving officials the full blast a long while ago but yesterday it had to bd done on the Jack pen/booking incident. It was a #%**%> incredible piece of refereeing.
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It's a bit of bad luck for Elmohamady. The way the ball came back at him he couldn't control it or aim where he was clearing it. All he could do was hit it and hope for the best, which turned out to be a bit unfortunate.
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Thanks Legion. Absolute certain penalty.
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was Grabban left out because he's not match fit?
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was Grabban left out because he's not match fit?
Yes. He hasn’t played in a month, so Bruce wanted to see him train for a bit first. I wouldn’t be entirely shocked not to see him on the bench next week either.
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It's a bit of bad luck for Elmohamady. The way the ball came back at him he couldn't control it or aim where he was clearing it. All he could do was hit it and hope for the best, which turned out to be a bit unfortunate.
Reminded me of Peter Kay in his ‘have it...’ commercial
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It's a bit of bad luck for Elmohamady. The way the ball came back at him he couldn't control it or aim where he was clearing it. All he could do was hit it and hope for the best, which turned out to be a bit unfortunate.
He stumbles slightly before making contact as well. If you're to score an own you might as well smash it in stylishly.
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Thanks Legion. Absolute certain penalty.
As soon as I saw it I gave a little celebratory fist pump as I was sure it was going to be given.
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I'm just happy with the three points we didn't play well but still won which is a good sign.
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That's the most penalty penalty I've ever seen.
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That's the most penalty penalty I've ever seen.
Nah, Kenny Burns handled one on the line when we played Forest in the late seventies early eighties, and when I say handled I mean his arm was at right angles to his body as he reached for it! The only one who thought it wasn't a penalty was the referee.
That was a disgraceful one yesterday mind.
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That's the most penalty penalty I've ever seen.
Kevin Richardson, Everton away in the League Cup semi final.
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That's the most penalty penalty I've ever seen.
Kevin Richardson, Everton away in the League Cup semi final.
With a ball mark on his plastercast
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Nah James Milner against the Noses in 2010 is the biggest stick on penalty I've ever seen.
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That's the most penalty penalty I've ever seen.
Nah, Kenny Burns handled one on the line when we played Forest in the late seventies early eighties, and when I say handled I mean his arm was at right angles to his body as he reached for it! The only one who thought it wasn't a penalty was the referee.
That was a disgraceful one yesterday mind.
I was bitter about that for weeks. We pummelled them and they broke away and won 1-0. It was a Wednesday night game the year they won the league. Shilton also made a real wonder save from a Mortimer pile driver but probably got less on the ball than Burns had!
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That's the most penalty penalty I've ever seen.
Kevin Richardson, Everton away in the League Cup semi final.
With a ball mark on his plastercast
good call that - I was there that night - it was blatant -
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Thought it was a pen yesterday, today I know it was, thanks for that Legion. Shocking referee, absolute disgrace
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Thanks Legion. There’s some really great passing with purpose at the moment. Snodgrass’s pass was pass of the season, bloody wonderful vision.
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That's the most penalty penalty I've ever seen.
Nah, Kenny Burns handled one on the line when we played Forest in the late seventies early eighties, and when I say handled I mean his arm was at right angles to his body as he reached for it! The only one who thought it wasn't a penalty was the referee.
That was a disgraceful one yesterday mind.
I was bitter about that for weeks. We pummelled them and they broke away and won 1-0. It was a Wednesday night game the year they won the league. Shilton also made a real wonder save from a Mortimer pile driver but probably got less on the ball than Burns had!
Remember that incident really well. How it was never given !
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was Grabban left out because he's not match fit?
I witnessed his arrival at Villa Park, missed the car park entrance by 5 yards.
Hopefully not an omen.
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Anyone got highlights that include Jack's supposed dive? I was sure it was a penalty.
Apparently it's on the 10min avtv highlights, free on YouTube but I've not seen it yet.
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Anyone got highlights that include Jack's supposed dive? I was sure it was a penalty.
Apparently it's on the 10min avtv highlights, free on YouTube but I've not seen it yet.
I was bang in line with it a few seats back and it looked nailed on to me. Mind, so did theirs.
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The link is on here.
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It was a clear pen. However Jack is never going to get the benefit f the doubt. He got kicked around during his year on loan at Notts County and the refs seemingly took exception to his lack of strength. He went down 'too easy' and now has a reputation, even though he's never been a diver. So it goes unfortunately.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
“I was looking for a goal and then I found a goal, and heaven knows I’m miserable now...”
What difference does it make ?
That joke isn't funny anymore.
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Penalty here.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/960191114392293376
Also let's all watch that bit of lovely football and reflect solemnly on ChicagoLion and his hatred of the Bruceball in evidence yesterday.
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If you are going to be successful you have to thrash the opposition out of sight by at least three but preferably five goals. Apart from goalless draws against Anderlecht and Arsenal to reach cup finals and against Swindon to gain promotion. Although a one nil win with a scrappy goal can also bring success sometimes. Even two goal defeats aren't always a bad thing.
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If you are going to be successful you have to thrash the opposition out of sight by at least three but preferably five goals. Apart from goalless draws against Anderlecht and Arsenal to reach cup finals and against Swindon to gain promotion. Although a one nil win with a scrappy goal can also bring success sometimes. Even two goal defeats aren't always a bad thing.
The latter thanks to Bosic and Middlesvilla - think we have paid them back though over the years
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I'm just happy with the three points we didn't play well but still won which is a good sign.
Agreed. Apart from all three fantastic goals and the move for Jack's booking, the match was as dull as the weather. I'm sure we'll see a much improved performance next weekend.
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Dull? Was it? What about Jack's effort off the bar and Hogan and Hourihane's build-up play and shots?
There have been plenty of games where we've done eff-all going forward (Millwall, Brentford, even Bolton at home; Cardiff, Derby away etc.) so it seems strange to hear yesterday wasn't exciting enough for some. We're not exactly renowned entertainers.
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Penalty here.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/960191114392293376
Also let's all watch that bit of lovely football and reflect solemnly on ChicagoLion and his hatred of the Bruceball in evidence yesterday.
Since Agnew has arrived the quality of our football at times has been outstanding. We still slip too much for my liking into comfort food of whack it long because it's the easy way out, or back pass after back pass. But there is no doubt that we have some technically sound players at the club who have demonstrated a greater freedom in their play evidence by the move for the penalty and of course the one that led to Hogan's goal. A nailed on goal of the season contender.
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It's the expectation and hope, Eamonn that we're turning into a proper attacking side. It was certainly dull watching us endlessly pass the ball backwards or sideways, especially in the first half. Like every game in this division it's a battle no matter the opposition but I thought we were really lacking energy and intent for much of the game. On the rare occasion we passed the ball forward we looked dangerous.
The goals were a clear demonstration of what this side are capable of achieving, it was just the other 85 minutes where we were failed to take control of the game. Normally we have one good, one bad half. Saturday was the first time in ages we never really managed one of each. Whilst I've watched the goals numerous times, I won't be in any rush to watching the game again.
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I'm afraid that's just the way Bruce sets up his side. The word "adventurous" is not likely ever to be used to describe his style of play.. Thought we were unconvincing and sloppy, while always looking like we had too much for them. A win is a win i guess.
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A mesmerising nine-pass movement for Hogan's tap-in which left one thinking that Brentford were still in the dressing-room, a perfect curling back-post cross from Snodgrass for Albert to head in, a pile-driving own-goal strike from Elmo in front of the Holte, only for him to get back up the park and put the ball on unjustly-booked, penalty-denied and goal-starved wunderkind, Grealish's foot for a crisp volley into the onion bag?
Made me forget the Keystone Kops for their goal and the periods when we laboured like hungover punters from the Nag's Head on a Sunday morning. Why I'd travel 4000 miles to watch that!
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Oh for the days of the Month of the Goal competition.
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
“I was looking for a goal and then I found a goal, and heaven knows I’m miserable now...”
What difference does it make ?
That joke isn't funny anymore.
I Know. It's Over... :(
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The first goal was excellent football.
It was brilliant.
Agree
Against Burton Albion.
“I was looking for a goal and then I found a goal, and heaven knows I’m miserable now...”
What difference does it make ?
That joke isn't funny anymore.
I Know. It's Over... :(
I told you to stop me if you thought you'd heard this one before.
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Hogan's goal was a thing of beatuy I really liked it a proper team goal Jack's was also very good and Albert back post header and Elmo world class finish lol.