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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Monty on September 19, 2015, 04:52:28 PM
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Well that was good.
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meh
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Absolute horseshit.
They were in control from start to finish. Pathetic.
Timmy needs to start winning us some matches quickly. Thus far this season I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest it won't be another season of struggle.
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I just don't understand what our plan is. After being manager for this long you would think Sherwood would realize that Gabby absolutely cannot play as a lone striker through the middle any more. Also, for recognizing the 'magnitude' of a local derby Gabby played like a chump.
Really unhappy with the way the season is unfolding. I lost my marbles after the Sunderland draw a few weeks prior and cited that if Sunderland isn't a must win then we must beat one of the next two opponents. Well we lost both and we're not any more "gelled" than we were in the beginning of the season. I'm genuinely worried. In fact I think we're regressing.
I don't know what to think, or what the solution is. Ashley Westwood was pretty disappointing, Rudy didn't offer much. The substitutions were just strange, and we haven't configured a particularly strong 11 at any point in the season so far.
Barely a shot on goal and they didn't bring the bus out until the second half. I'm genuinely embarrassed for club. It's been years since we've seen any sort of competence or progression.
Worst start in decades and I don't know if TS will be able to pull of another motivation job like last year. We need to try out another striker for the beginning of the game. I don't care if it's Kozak or Ayew. We need a new look and fast.
We've pissed away five of the game I circled before the season as winnable matches. Now, it doesn't look like we can beat anybody, let alone the "poor" clubs.
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Toothless played into there hands very very naive! We are in real trouble you cannot gift games away like we did last week
Sherwood needs to get a grip of this and fast
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I hope Mr Pulis thinks football was the winner of that shower. I'm embarrassed for the West Midlands
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Anybody else totally fucked off with this season already?
Shit.
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Sherwood is a terrible manager.
4 defeats in 5, and we have had an easy start to the season.
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I've seen nothing to suggest anything other than another relegation battle since about April.
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Tim Sherwood: the honeymoon is over. We're back to the same old, same old.
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I want him gone if we lose on Tuesday.
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Not good at all.
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Dim Tim strikes again. Embarrassing shit from start to finish. Expect further humiliating pain on Tuesday night.
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Ugh.
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The only Villa player to look remotely like he might create something was Gil.
So he takes him off and brings Bacuna on, who then just starts lumping crosses vaguely towards the area.
Gestede looks like he's won some sort of competition for a fan to play with the team for a bit.
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Garbage since May 2010 and it just gets worse and worse. No hope.
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Form since the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' cup match ⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩⇩
Dim Tim Out.
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I think I have reached a relative level of disappointment that can't be surpassed, but the club gives me another way to dip to another low. We all had so much optimism just a few weeks ago and we are back exactly where we were last season and very neatly sat in 17th spot tonight. When is this going to end? When?
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Any chance we can get Steve Stride back? Our entire club is full of wet behind the ear charlatans. Plus Wilkins and Sid who effect naff all with the first team.
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No energy in the middle of the field. Miss Gana so much. I do not think we can play Gill and Grealish together in a 4-4-2 formation as it leaves us too lightweight.
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i don't think they know how they're meant to be playing
they'd be better off with a 433 and get more control of midfield. there is so little movement up front that it was easy for west brom to defend
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I hate football and miss so much of the good football being played by others when Villa lose. I want nothing to do with it.
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Absolutely catastrophic start to the season. Given the fixtures we've had 4 points is a dire return.
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Thanks for keeping us up last season Tim, but your out of your depth I'm afraid.
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Another relegation fight is on the cards ...1 point from Sunderland and WBA at home is pathetic
6 wins in 17 in the league under TS ...
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No focal point for attacks, no clear game plan, no incisive runs, no link-up play, no clever movement, no one-twos, no FUCKING GOALS.
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I have a horrible feeling that we won't win the league this season.
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What's Brian Little up to these days?
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4-4-2, with a big lump who can't kick the ball and a fast runner who can't kick the ball, endless crosses into the box, our best playmaker brought off for another guy to hit endless crosses towards the big lump. Against a Tony Pulis team. This was the masterplan.
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it's just a fucking disaster
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If this doesn't get better before Christmas, sack him.
I just can't face a repeat of the two year cycle of bullshit we have to watch till he gets the heave-ho.
If I woke up tomorrow and he'd been sacked, I wouldn't be even remotely bothered.
The man is an absolute chancer, he doesn't know what he's doing, as he shows week after week. Talks a great game, full of bantz with the press and what not, but serves up utter shit every fucking week.
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Absolute dross from start to finish.
With Westwood in the middle we're effectively playing every game with 10 men, he's just not good enough for this level, simple as.
Mid September and already completely pissed off, had enough of this shit.
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Thanks for keeping us up last season Tim, but your out of your depth I'm afraid.
I think he'd make a better assistant manager. Or maybe a scout.
Fuck it, put him behind the till in the club shop.
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What's Brian Little up to these days?
He was commentating on Setanta this afternoon.
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I'm going off our new manager a little. What has gone wrong!?
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What does Kozak have to do to get into this toothless team?
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If we fall to SHAt, I might take a few weeks off. Save my sanity.
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i put villa down in the last one standing competition - so did 3 others. Well thats us all out. Its all my fault for choosing Villa. I take full responsibility.
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Cheers for keeping us up and the FA Cup semi final Tim, but you haven't got a Scooby Doo have you really Tim? I'm afraid that just being better than Lambert isn't enough any more.
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So many things are wrong and went wrong. What was the tacticts in the end? There was no urgency, we NEVER look like scoring.
- Westwood was terrible today. He is so lightweight, never wins the ball and the set pieces are terrible. Why not try a "normal" corner once in a while?
- Amavi takes far too many risks
- Why not put Richards or Lescott up front in the end and play it more forward ?
- None of our forwards look convincing, in fact they look very poor
- etc etc , I cant be bothered typing any more
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What does Kozak have to do to get into this toothless team?
Quite , no way is Gestede a better option that Kozak
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What does Kozak have to do to get into this toothless team?
Quite , no way is Gestede a better option that Kozak
NO WAY. It's insanity.
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What does Kozak have to do to get into this toothless team?
Be remotely any good?
That he isn't even on the bench tells you he is shit / not recoverd from a horrible injury.
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fuck that was bad, pitiful effort to get an equaliser too. They were weak defensively out wide yet we kept trying to play scrums in the middle
In some areas of the team we are getting worse, Guzan is definitely going to throw one in very very soon, centre back partnership is a bombscare, Lescott's legs are totally gone and is a pointless signing, Amavi defensively again cost us points today, no structure to our midfield and a non existent goal threat. About the only positives were Hutton was solid defensively and Sanchez put in a good shift too. West Brom as damn average as they are, deserved the victory. Played smarter football and had a genuine threat up top.
Our forwards are not mobile or clever enough to be running onto nice passes from Gil or Grealish, Blackburn did well by getting the ball wide and pinging quick crosses to Gestede. We dont have those kind of players available though.
Guzan 4, Hutton 7, Richards 5, Lescott 4, Amavi 4, Westwood 5, Sanchez 7, Gil 6, Grealish 5, Gabby 5, Sinclair 4 - Gestede 5, Bacuna 7, Veretout 5
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- Westwood was terrible today. He is so lightweight, never wins the ball and the set pieces are terrible. Why not try a "normal" corner once in a while?
I really think if you put a pint in front of me, and i started drinking it when Westwood starts his run up for a corner, I could down the lot before the ball makes contact with anyone, he floats them in so fucking pointlessly.
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Gestede looks fucking hopeless at the moment.
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alarming; are there any other sides who have changed manager , team, formation, tactics and still ended up in the same place?
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I can't think of any other profession where you can make such blaring bad judgments and still get employed. If I were Randy I would sack him purely for the subs, they are beyond belief.
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The continued absence of Kozak will be discussed in one of those late night BBC 2 documentaries. They'll have interviews from waitresses and shopkeepers and taxi drivers and nobody will be able to explain his whereabouts.
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Anyone who tries to find positives in that pile of cunting ****** fucking shit can respectfully fuck the fuck off
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There is massive cause for concern, we have no cutting edge and the "where are the goals going to come from " question can not be answered, it aint Gabby or Gestede.
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- Westwood was terrible today. He is so lightweight, never wins the ball and the set pieces are terrible. Why not try a "normal" corner once in a while?
I really think if you put a pint in front of me, and i started drinking it when Westwood starts his run up for a corner, I could down the lot before the ball makes contact with anyone, he floats them in so fucking pointlessly.
I reckon you could put said pint in the area, and it would stand as much chance of scoring from a Westwood corner as any Villa player.
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What does Kozak have to do to get into this toothless team?
Be remotely any good?
That he isn't even on the bench tells you he is shit / not recoverd from a horrible injury.
Looked better than anyone else in preseason, no?
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From the BBC: "It's actually quite impressive that Villa haven't been relegated despite being consistently awful in the last four or five years."
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We sell Benteke, spend £40M+ and yet don't have a decent striker in the squad. What the hell?
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All to do with a misallocation of resources.
When we signed Delph, we were on the verge of greatness. Instead, 8 mill of talent spent the next period on the bench. He did become a good player but it took time.... horses for courses....Had we invested in the first team, we could have progressed...onto amazing heights...champions league
Look at today, Gestede, Veretout and Ayew... so much investment, so little impact. Put that money into one player who can make a difference every week and we win the majority of matches...and push on...
but we don't...
great clubs with unlimited resources concentrate on improving the bench... we need to and should have focused on the starting 11.
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I do not think we can play Gill and Grealish together in a 4-4-2 formation as it leaves us too lightweight.
Well we certainly can't play the two if we're going to hoof the ball forward to Gabby or Gestede all day. What is the point? We have two exceptionally talented players, we have Sinclair that has an eye for goal, we have Gabby that can run at defences and what do we do - hoof it.
Once again we played to the opposition's strengths and our own weaknesses. I'd love to know how Sherwood ever thought we'd would score today. We have a more than decent squad, we have some wonderfully technical players, what we don't have is a plan.
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We seem to have a good scouting network now but a manager who has no idea what to do with the players we bought.
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All to do with a misallocation of resources.
When we signed Delph, we were on the verge of greatness. Instead, 8 mill of talent spent the next period on the bench. He did become a good player but it took time.... horses for courses....Had we invested in the first team, we could have progressed...onto amazing heights...champions league
Look at today, Gestede, Veretout and Ayew... so much investment, so little impact. Put that money into one player who can make a difference every week and we win the majority of matches...and push on...
but we don't...
great clubs with unlimited resources concentrate on improving the bench... we need to and should have focused on the starting 11.
I think we did focus on the starting eleven to an extent.. it just seems like we had some bad business with Ayew and Rudy. I hope the prove me wrong but they don't exactly set the world alight do they?
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- Westwood was terrible today. He is so lightweight, never wins the ball and the set pieces are terrible. Why not try a "normal" corner once in a while?
I really think if you put a pint in front of me, and i started drinking it when Westwood starts his run up for a corner, I could down the lot before the ball makes contact with anyone, he floats them in so fucking pointlessly.
I reckon you could put said pint in the area, and it would stand as much chance of scoring from a Westwood corner as any Villa player.
Anyone else recall Grealish's corners against Everton last year? Tim?
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I'm putting my colours on the mast. Ta-da, Tim.
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The albion goal was a bit lucky but the worst thing for me was our total non-response to it. Nothing changed. Sherwood's tactical changes had no effect on the game whatsoever.
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From the BBC: "It's actually quite impressive that Villa haven't been relegated despite being consistently awful in the last four or five years."
It's only because of the rest of the shite who play in the best league in the world.
That's quite depressing though isn't it?
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Since the 1st time I saw them it was dramatically clear that spending 16 milions for the duo Gestede & Ayew as Benteke subs was crazy. Frenchmen say: c'est de la folie. The only things that Benteke and Gestede have in common are three "e". We are a joke, we throw in the WC the few money that we have, and and our manager is unexperienced, clueless and taptically inept.
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In hindsight I was delayed in traffic on my way home from a football match this morning, which resulted in me missing the match. I count myself lucky.
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What does Kozak have to do to get into this toothless team?
Be remotely any good?
That he isn't even on the bench tells you he is shit / not recoverd from a horrible injury.
Looked better than anyone else in preseason, no?
Meh.
I'm not trying to start an argument by the way. But, he is one of those payers that get better every week they don't play.
Sherwood has already dropped a few of his buys (Ayew, Veretout) and never starts Gestede. I don't think he;d hesitate to play Kozak if he thought he'd dig him out of this widening hole.
Getting to the point where I can't be arsed watching the slow descent every season. It's just demoralising.
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The galling thing is, everyone - literally EVERYONE - knows exactly what to expect from a Tiny Penis team. Four big, slow fuckers at the back, well-drilled lines, forcing you to cross from deep so they can just head it away a million times and you eventually make a mistake out of sheer mind-numbing boredom.
So you have to play in between the lines, get runners from midfield darting into gaps, play little give and gos to take advantage of their lumbering back four, and cross from the bye-line. Yet we tried none of that, we just passed it about pointless in front of them, then floated balls for them to head into outer fucking space.
I think Tim is arrogant. And that arrogance translates to an approach that says "We're not going to worry about what the opposition do, we're going to play our own game and show them we're better than them". Which sounds good, if you're in a Richard Curtis movie about a downtrodden pub team managed by Rowan Atkinson with Keira Knightley as the star striker, who end up winning the FA Cup with a last minute goal from the work experience lad with a stammer and a wooden leg.
In real life, it's shit.
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I'm bastard fuming and getting ulcers watching this crock of shit every week. Westwood if you pick the ball up to take a free kick I'll chew your fc king balls off. Oh and while you're at it when we sprint forward on a rare attack pass the ball behind the runner so he has stop and get the ball you twat.
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6 wins in 17 in the league under TS ...
It's 6 wins in 19 league games.
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God those stats are horrific
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This is our worst start since 86-87 just saying like.
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Worst team in the premier league not too have been relegated in the last four years.
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I'm getting the look from Mrs TV. We're apparently on a weekend break in Montreal and I have been accused of being miserable which I am. Need to take a break from this place before she throws my phone and iPad through the window. Enjoy chewing the shit tasting fat chaps.
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I'm going into hiding Tuesday about 7:30. Might reappear after Christmas when maybe Lerner has sold up and Tim or someone else has figured it out.
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I feel like crying. The only time they don't ruin my Saturdays is when they play on Sundays and Mondays.
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Rigadon, I know you're not. It's a fair point you raise.
Although Kozak isn't the most mobile, he appears to have a good habit of wandering into dangerous areas, at the right time, inside the box.
I thought people like Amavi looked low on confidence today. We really need someone to take the game by the scruff of the neck and force something to happen.
Maybe when we have Adama and Gana back we might have some additional options. Saying that, without anyone clinical up front, we are just hoping. Tim will probably drop Gill to accommodate Adama too
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We are in a stickier situation that sticky the stick insect. We haven't won for ages we have a brand new squad and a manager who hasn't been there very long and have played a lot of so called poorer sides. So what do you do? Sack him and start all over again? This isn't going to be pretty again this season.
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With a genuine forward up top i think this team could be comfortable, even though we play some decent stuff to get through the midfield there is nothing happening in front of them.Sinclair has put in 2 terrible performances but still offers more as a lone striker than any one else.
Our dead ball taking is atrociuos.
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I have to say that Veretout looked dire when he came on. Incredibly slow, didn't get into a decent position once, and gave the ball away on the odd occasion the ball came his way. Looks even worse than Ayew so far.
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Anyone who tries to find positives in that pile of cunting c*** fucking shit can respectfully fuck the fuck off
I was too ill to go. That's turned out to be a big positive!
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6 wins in 17 in the league under TS ...
It's 6 wins in 19 league games.
Enough to survive again.
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I'm on my sick bed at the moment so unfortunately, I mean, fortunately I missed the match. Heard plenty of negatives, can anybody give me any positives at all.
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Wouldn't be surprised Oldham, and you're right on the confidence thing. They look a like imposters to the side that swept the ball around first half v Leicester.
Gana is a big miss. We will improve when he's back I'm sure. But still...
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I know we've just lost a game but i think there's some harsh comments.
To be honest I kind of expected the season to be like this. We have no money to spend, okay we have spent money but only because we lost our 2 best players. We haven't had a settled back 4 for sometime and its pretty much a brand new team.
We've come off the back of a game that we played really well in parts only to lose spectacularly which has obviously knocked the stuffing out of us.We've only lost 1 nil with confidence low against a well drilled but dull Albion team.
So I'm not yet ready to start throwing criticism's around just yet.
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I'm on my sick bed at the moment so unfortunately, I mean, fortunately I missed the match. Heard plenty of negatives, can anybody give me any positives at all.
That North Stand is sparkling clean.
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I'm gonna start decorating now, watching the paint dry will save me watching Football First later
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I'm on my sick bed at the moment so unfortunately, I mean, fortunately I missed the match. Heard plenty of negatives, can anybody give me any positives at all.
A bloke just walked past my back garden teaching his babby to sing Holte Enders in the Sky.
That's a positive when you live on Chelmsley.
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Relegation beckons as we won't have Benteke to bail us out this season. Not buying a decent striker is going to haunt us to at least January and by then it may be too late
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I'm on my sick bed at the moment so unfortunately, I mean, fortunately I missed the match. Heard plenty of negatives, can anybody give me any positives at all.
A bloke just walked past my back garden teaching his babby to sing Holte Enders in the Sky.
That's a positive when you live on Chelmsley.
Children knowing their fathers?
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we played really well in parts
I don't know what game you were watching but we were very very poor.
Awful passing.
Terrible set pieces.
Really bad movement.
Shall I go on...
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That was awful. Too early for a change of manager?
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We're not in the bottom three. That's a positive. Of sorts. I think.
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That was awful. Too early for a change of manager?
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10pm Tuesday.
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That was awful. Too early for a change of manager?
10pm Tuesday.
Possibly...
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That was awful. Too early for a change of manager?
It is difficult.
I would refrain from saying sack him, but at the same time, I have zero confidence in him.
If he doesn't improve - a lot, and relatively quickly (ie before christmas), then I would definitely sack him, rather than do the "give him a couple of seasons" thing yet again.
Put it like this, though, if you stuck a button in front of me now and said "push that button or Sherwood gets sacked", I don't think I'd push it.
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It's just so fucking boring to be shit for five or six years in a row. I am sick to death of it.
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Based on how much timeLambert got we are a very long way from a new manager, probably one relegation and a failed promotion away.
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With the completion of today's game TS has now been in charge for exactly half a season. Out of those 19 games we have managed to lose a whopping 11, with six wins and a couple of draws. (And even those two draws, against a couple of poor teams in QPR and Sunderland, were underachievements). So that's 20 pts in half a season. If we progress at that rate we might save ourselves by a point or so once again, but I wouldn't bet on it. The promoted clubs aren't following the script and are inconveniently picking up points. Newcastle may drag themselves clear eventually, and only Sunderland look like a good bet for nailed on relegation. In fact it feels like we're turning in to Sunderland Mk II - constantly changing managers and playing staff but relentlessly poor.
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My expectation under Tim was cautious optimism with a pattern of win some, lose some with a competitive edge.
I acknowledge the injuries, I acknowledge the difficulties of blending so many new players, but fuck me this is depressing.
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Sherwood has to go.
I'm sorry but you cannot keep excusing the very basic managerial errors he keeps making. Yes he has not had long and yes the team has played some nice stuff occasionally, but he doesn't seem to learn which is the most worrying aspect of his whole tenure to date.
1. How can anyone keep picking Gabby - its completely obvious to anyone he's a spent force (if he ever was one to begin with). If Sherwood keeps picking him, we will lose many more than we win because you can't expect to win with 10 against 11.
2. Takes one of the only 2 creative guys off the pitch and replaces him with Bacuna - WTF! How does that make any sense at all? And Bacuna has played like a piece of cardboard this season. Just what was the strategic intent there?!?!?
3. His formation isn't working and he never has a plan B. If last week was bad enough, this was even worse - from the first second it never even looked remotely like we would win that game. Utter shit for 96 mins.
Tom Fox needs to do his god damn job and rescue a failed experiment fast.
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I'm on my sick bed at the moment so unfortunately, I mean, fortunately I missed the match. Heard plenty of negatives, can anybody give me any positives at all.
That North Stand is sparkling clean.
That's cheered me up no end. We desperately need Gana and Traore back fit.
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That was awful. Too early for a change of manager?
No, it's time to cut our losses. Get Mike Bassett in instead
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That was honestly as bad as anything I saw under Lamberk. What even is our style of play? Have we got one? All I saw first half was lamping it up to Gabby, in the air against McAuley and Evans. Pointless. Second half lamp it up to Gestede who won one header. When it comes to tactics and subs Sherwood is clueless. The most galling thing about today is Albion are absolute s#ite but they won't have an easier game this season. We're so slow and play with no tempo, theres nothing to get the crowd going.
Too many players who aren't good enough. Amavi is good on the ball but can't defend. Lescott and Richards are all over the place at times and are hesitant. Sanchez and Westwood often get outfought and out thought and offer nothing going forward. Our strikers are all piss poor.
The players and Sherwood owe us a big performance and result on Tuesday, I don't just mean scraping through 1-0 or on penalties, i'm talking about a high tempo from the off and a convincing win. Will we get it? I'm not so sure after today, I think Blues have got a real chance of beating us now.
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Woeful.
Gambling on replacing Benteke with unproven strikers is coming home to roost now, we just took it for granted how often in similar games he'd bail us out, that option isn't there anymore.
Going to be a serious struggle up to xmas imo, we need to get Gueye and Traore FIT. Maybe then we can start at least picking up draws and maybe a win.
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Obviously Gil was one of the slim hopes of opening them up, but it was reported he hadn't trained at all this week so I'm guessing the reason they would give would be fitness rather than tactical for him being taken off.
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We have 2 clever players in Grealish and Gil but then stick 2 strikers in front who offered them nothing to play off.
Sinclair wasn't great but he has goals in him again seems to be him always getting hauled off for one of TS buy's who come on and do sweet fuck all.I assume Gil was removed due to tiredness but why stick on Bacuna ?
Why in the name of god leave the CM again overun especially against suck a physically strong side , Fletcher was literally swatting Westwood aside like a fucking fly the whole game ..when he was out pacing him.I like Westwood in General but he doesn't have the all round game to play as part of a 2 he just doesn't have the physicality for it...then we stick Gil and Grealish in front of him and its no wonder we had pushed around.
What else seems clear is the midfield are playing so narrow that the FB in pushing forward to give width are leaving massive amounts of space behind them, we didn't get punished for it today but we did get caught out numerous time.
Around the 52nd minute summed the game up Grealish wide and we had one player to their 4/5 in the box it's no wonder we weren't winning anything in there !!
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I'm on my sick bed at the moment so unfortunately, I mean, fortunately I missed the match. Heard plenty of negatives, can anybody give me any positives at all.
A bloke just walked past my back garden teaching his babby to sing Holte Enders in the Sky.
That's a positive when you live on Chelmsley.
Children knowing their fathers?
Well he is a Villa fan.
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As an aside, during the game I bemoaned Traore's injury and (only half-jokingly, admittedly) vented my spleen at the notts County defender that crocked him. A County fan took me to task, arguing that a defender's job is to take opposition players out to prevent them from scoring. Like, injuring them. Still not sure if he was joking.
I'd be amazed if we wouldn't be two wins better off with Traore fit, though.
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That was honestly as bad as anything I saw under Lamberk. What even is our style of play? Have we got one? All I saw first half was lamping it up to Gabby, in the air against McAuley and Evans. Pointless. Second half lamp it up to Gestede who won one header. When it comes to tactics and subs Sherwood is clueless. The most galling thing about today is Albion are absolute s#ite but they won't have an easier game this season. We're so slow and play with no tempo, theres nothing to get the crowd going.
Too many players who aren't good enough. Amavi is good on the ball but can't defend. Lescott and Richards are all over the place at times and are hesitant. Sanchez and Westwood often get outfought and out thought and offer nothing going forward. Our strikers are all piss poor.
The players and Sherwood owe us a big performance and result on Tuesday, I don't just mean scraping through 1-0 or on penalties, i'm talking about a high tempo from the off and a convincing win. Will we get it? I'm not so sure after today, I think Blues have got a real chance of beating us now.
Tempo is the big problem for me though. When was the last time we had a team that could muster a half decent tempo and break shite like today down? I just don't think we have the quality of player to move the ball quickly between each other as a team and haven't had them for years.
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Dim Tim on the post match interview talking absolute bollocks, he's seriously deluded.
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Shit. Just shit.
There's nothing else to say really
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Tom Fox needs to do his god damn job and rescue a failed experiment fast.
The same bloke who is credited with appointing Sherwood in the first place.
Another total chancer like Faulkner was.
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He reckons we should have way more points on the board, should of won the game and hoofed the ball in the box a lot more. Who for Dimmy? Gabby and that other static traffic cone.
We've got problems.
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For all the churn in playing staff over the summer, we still finished today's game with Bacuna, Westwood and Gabby on the pitch. These guys should be nowhere near the first team. They weren't good enough last season and they still ain't good enough now. We need Gana and Traore back in the team asap, and we need some of the other new faces (Veretout, Ayew etc) to get up to speed sharpish. Today's result is disastrous tbh. Today is the day when some of the patience started to dissipate, and the realisation dawned that we are now facing yet another relegation battle. And we can't keep circling the plughole for ever.
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That was honestly as bad as anything I saw under Lamberk. What even is our style of play? Have we got one? All I saw first half was lamping it up to Gabby, in the air against McAuley and Evans. Pointless. Second half lamp it up to Gestede who won one header. When it comes to tactics and subs Sherwood is clueless. The most galling thing about today is Albion are absolute s#ite but they won't have an easier game this season. We're so slow and play with no tempo, theres nothing to get the crowd going.
Too many players who aren't good enough. Amavi is good on the ball but can't defend. Lescott and Richards are all over the place at times and are hesitant. Sanchez and Westwood often get outfought and out thought and offer nothing going forward. Our strikers are all piss poor.
The players and Sherwood owe us a big performance and result on Tuesday, I don't just mean scraping through 1-0 or on penalties, i'm talking about a high tempo from the off and a convincing win. Will we get it? I'm not so sure after today, I think Blues have got a real chance of beating us now.
Tempo is the big problem for me though. When was the last time we had a team that could muster a half decent tempo and break shite like today down? I just don't think we have the quality of player to move the ball quickly between each other as a team and haven't had them for years.
Even second half we should have come out flying and got the crowd going, but no we stroke it about going nowhere before lumping it up. We're so easy to defend against. As soon as it went 0-1 today you just knew we weren't going to score.
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Dim Tim on the post match interview talking absolute bollocks, he's seriously deluded.
I hope at least this week he takes full responsibility. We lost today not because of the players but because of his idiotic tactics.
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Well that was utter crap, Gil apart.
It seems we have two speeds :
High tempo - where we play pretty good, but can only maintain it for 60 mins.
Lambert tempo - where do almost nothing of consequence with the ball, but we can do it for 90 mins.
...and as good as Amavi can be, he has cost us 3 goals now with poor decision making.
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I'm on my sick bed at the moment so unfortunately, I mean, fortunately I missed the match. Heard plenty of negatives, can anybody give me any positives at all.
We didn't have to put up with the twat Olsson until the 94th min.
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Late on parade today so no pre match beers.......shit it's hard to watch without beer
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After 50 years I think today I finally stopped hurting.
No screaming at the T.V to, get the fuck up there.
It was awful, And I do not know where the team goes to from there.
We would not have scored if it had gone on for another 90 mins.
Answers please on a postcard !!!
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We really are in deep shit.
Unfortunately, we don't have (a) Benteke to dig us out of it this time.
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I have no idea what the answer is to this continual turgid shite that is dealt up week after week, season after season. I just wish that someone would make it go away.
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Is it too early to say BIG SAM?
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Is it too early to say BIG SAM?
Sadly no, he could be the Obi-Wan (our only hope)
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Is it too early to say BIG SAM?
i think i would rather be relegated.
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Allardyce would get this group of players into mid table. We could do worse.
I think Sherwood deserves until Xmas to see if he can do the same.
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Awful, just awful. Sorry, but Tim appears not to have a clue and the players don't care.
Why, when two stripey fuckers had been booked, did we not get Jack to run at them in the second half forcing fouls?
Gestede won ONE header in the whole of the second half, he's 6ft four.
Gabby, an absolute shocker of a player this season.
1-0 down and bring on another right back, not to replace another right back but for a midfielder.
Villa fans threatening each other at Aston station afterwards.
What the fuck is happening to our club?
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We don't have a style and haven't really since MON. Houllier was close to establishing a style but got ill unfortunately.
Nowadays our style is run around and pass the ball around aimlessly. The old lady I used to sit by called it 'headless chicken football.' I think she hit the nail on the head with that.
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In hindsight I was delayed in traffic on my way home from a football match this morning, which resulted in me missing the match. I count myself lucky.
same for me, never made it, and not bothered apart from the £52 wasted
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Stripys have put a message on their website wishing Blues all of the best for Tuesday........
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I think Gana and Traore would have made a big difference today. We have some tough luck with injuries.
Think he should have played Veretout in a midfield 3 with Grealish and Gil more advanced. We never got on top in midfield due to their superior numbers. His solution at half time was not to solve the midfield problem but go direct and that just played into their hands.
Playing Gil, Grealish and Sinclair is like playing with 8 men when we don't have the ball. He needs to rethink the shape of the side - we look disorganised.
Confidence clearly taken a hit as well after last week.
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I think Gana and Traore would have made a big difference today. We have some tough luck with injuries.
Think he should have played Veretout in a midfield 3 with Grealish and Gil more advanced. We never got on top in midfield due to their superior numbers. His solution at half time was not to solve the midfield problem but go direct and that just played into their hands.
Playing Gil, Grealish and Sinclair is like playing with 8 men when we don't have the ball. He needs to rethink the shape of the side - we look disorganised.
Confidence clearly taken a hit as well after last week.
It doesn't help that he blames the "players performance" every week, but "not the effort".
Blaming the youth isn't going to establish anything.
The man just yaps and yaps, get it together. Doing the post-match Sky presser with a smile, dick.
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Stripys have put a message on their website wishing Blues all of the best for Tuesday........
They're a strange club.
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Desperately need Gana and Traore back. Simply haven't got the quality in depth. Why the fuck isn't Kozak at least on the bench?. He's far more mobile than Gestede who looks poor to me.
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Stripys have put a message on their website wishing Blues all of the best for Tuesday........
I think we should worry about ourselves rather than others club's shit.
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I think Gana and Traore would have made a big difference today. We have some tough luck with injuries.
Think he should have played Veretout in a midfield 3 with Grealish and Gil more advanced. We never got on top in midfield due to their superior numbers. His solution at half time was not to solve the midfield problem but go direct and that just played into their hands.
Playing Gil, Grealish and Sinclair is like playing with 8 men when we don't have the ball. He needs to rethink the shape of the side - we look disorganised.
Confidence clearly taken a hit as well after last week.
Did you see Veretout when he came on? Absolutely awful, even if it was only a cameo for a few minutes. Slow beyond belief.
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i don't think they know how they're meant to be playing
they'd be better off with a 433 and get more control of midfield. there is so little movement up front that it was easy for west brom to defend
100% right and fuck me how shit were westwood and sanchez
at one point in the second half the only thing westwood was lacking was a handbag
we are going down
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We were well and truly Pulised today. I think long-term and for the sake of balance in the team, we need Micah to take up the right back berth. It's all about making ourselves hard to beat and getting points on the board over the next few weeks.
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Something went *spang* in my head at about 80 minutes when I realised I am trapped in some hideous karmic loop where season-upon-season I will have to watch this terrible football - I now embrace this and do not feel anger or regret - we are all part of the oneness and it's all going to be fine because the Buddha teaches that "this too will change" - unfortunately he doesn't say when
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The ultimate small time mentality.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/_12a_zpsnpwp1iy7.jpg)
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Something went *spang* in my head at about 80 minutes when I realised I am trapped in some hideous karmic loop where season-upon-season I will have to watch this terrible football - I now embrace this and do not feel anger or regret - we are all part of the oneness and it's all going to be fine because the Buddha teaches that "this too will change" - unfortunately he doesn't say when
Buddha's a chancer.
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The first job of any defender is to defend.
Amavi completely shit out of the challenge in the build up to their goal.
It's alright him getting up and down the wing - but his defending is very poor at times.
Baggies deserved it
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The ultimate small time mentality.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/_12a_zpsnpwp1iy7.jpg)
is that actually been sent by the WBA official football club ?
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Yes.
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The first job of any defender is to defend.
Amavi completely shit out of the challenge in the build up to their goal.
It's alright him getting up and down the wing - but his defending is very poor at times.
Baggies deserved it
I see it as a kid trying everything he can to get us going.
I will not place any blame on him, he is better than anything we have. Blame the shot senior players, they are a joke.
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The first job of any defender is to defend.
Amavi completely shit out of the challenge in the build up to their goal.
It's alright him getting up and down the wing - but his defending is very poor at times.
Baggies deserved it
I see it as a kid trying everything he can to get us going.
I will not place any blame on him, he is better than anything we have. Blame the shot senior players, they are a joke.
yep, check out what Lescott was doing
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Lambert was the man for breaking records, has any other manager in english football lost 3 derby's on the bounce?....
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Lambert was the man for breaking records, has any other manager in english football lost 3 derby's on the bounce?....
Leicester is hardly a derby. And you could ask how many have won 2 in less than a week.
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Please can we have BFR back ......
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The last thing we need now is to be on the team and the managers backs.
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I think Gana and Traore would have made a big difference today. We have some tough luck with injuries.
Think he should have played Veretout in a midfield 3 with Grealish and Gil more advanced. We never got on top in midfield due to their superior numbers. His solution at half time was not to solve the midfield problem but go direct and that just played into their hands.
Playing Gil, Grealish and Sinclair is like playing with 8 men when we don't have the ball. He needs to rethink the shape of the side - we look disorganised.
Confidence clearly taken a hit as well after last week.
Did you see Veretout when he came on? Absolutely awful, even if it was only a cameo for a few minutes. Slow beyond belief.
I don't agree, I thought he did ok. He has to get these new players up to speed and they're not going to do it from the bench. He needs to show confidence in them.
It was ridiculous leaving us outnumbered in midfield for 90 minutes. Albion had control of the game for much of the second half because of that.
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Just back and haven't read the thread but suffice to say I'm thoroughly pissed off - that was a totally spineless performance for any game let alone a local derby. Launching balls to Gabby or Sinclair when they're up against 4 centre halfs was almost laughable. Play like that on Tuesday and the Noses will be singing 'shit on the Villa' just like the Bitters today. Can't be arsed to give individual players scores but I will single out one - Westwood. Just what does he bring to the team other than square/backward passes and pointing? And why was he still on the pitch after bringing on 2 other midfielders? An average Championship player at best. Would have been a different game if Adama and Gana were fit but we should at least look like we can compete. One point from Palace, Sunderland, Leicester and the Bitters - that is relegation scrap form yet again.
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todays was the worst performance of all this season,
in all the other games you can look and take some positives, last week for an hour we played some really good stuff, same against Palace,
but today there is nothing to cling on to, its back to how we were
this is the sadness, we are not improving, where we all said it will take time for players to settle in we are moving backwards
the problem we have already is that all other teams see us as a weak side, everyone sees us as easy points for the picking, even if we play well or go ahead they all know our soft underbelly. we are a side playing with low confidence, last weeks collapse will do us a lot of harm
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The first job of any defender is to defend.
Amavi completely shit out of the challenge in the build up to their goal.
It's alright him getting up and down the wing - but his defending is very poor at times.
Baggies deserved it
Spot on re Amavi. He ducked out of the challenge which directly led to their goal
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Just back and haven't read the thread but suffice to say I'm thoroughly pissed off - that was a totally spineless performance for any game let alone a local derby. Launching balls to Gabby or Sinclair when they're up against 4 centre halfs was almost laughable. Play like that on Tuesday and the Noses will be singing 'shit on the Villa' just like the Bitters today. Can't be arsed to give individual players scores but I will single out one - Westwood. Just what does he bring to the team other than square/backward passes and pointing? And why was he still on the pitch after bringing on 2 other midfielders? An average Championship player at best. Would have been a different game if Adama and Gana were fit but we should at least look like we can compete. One point from Palace, Sunderland, Leicester and the Bitters - that is relegation scrap form yet again.
Losing leads against Sunderland and Leicester really worries me. Then registering a single shot, maybe two, today. Our midfield lost the battle against fucking Fletcher, Morrison and that hack Yacob is pathetic. Don't care who is fit, we're better than that shit.
Shit isn't our form any more, it's our MO. Not seeing enough of an improvement on last year to warrant any sort of difference in success rate. Even with as bad as Stoke are at the moment, I'll think they'll win. Cannot see us beating 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', Chelsea or Everton in the coming weeks. Worrying times ahead. Especially when NONE of our striking options can create space or a half chance.
I genuinely feel bad for my girlfriend and family, this club just makes me miserable. I've got enough going on to let this bullshit get to me.
This club, this game, used to bring me joy. Now it just tests my resolve.
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Timmie should make them watch Japan.
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Just back and haven't read the thread but suffice to say I'm thoroughly pissed off - that was a totally spineless performance for any game let alone a local derby. Launching balls to Gabby or Sinclair when they're up against 4 centre halfs was almost laughable. Play like that on Tuesday and the Noses will be singing 'shit on the Villa' just like the Bitters today. Can't be arsed to give individual players scores but I will single out one - Westwood. Just what does he bring to the team other than square/backward passes and pointing? And why was he still on the pitch after bringing on 2 other midfielders? An average Championship player at best. Would have been a different game if Adama and Gana were fit but we should at least look like we can compete. One point from Palace, Sunderland, Leicester and the Bitters - that is relegation scrap form yet again.
Pre-season, I thought get the first two games out of the way, then we've got a nice little run of four games where the team will be able to gel into a cohesive and coherent unit, and maybe pick up 5,6,7 points as they do it. But ONE? Ffs, that today was witless. Unless something changes dramatically, (and seemingly without a decent option at centre-forward I can't see it happening) it's hard not to envisage yet another season of drain-circling.
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And another thing why can't our fcukin players stay fit
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I wonder if he will make Adebayor a bollock busting offer?
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Thank fuck I'm off too Ibiza on Wednesday morning, I've got a horrible feeling that this place is going to be poisonous soon.
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As soon as I saw the team I knew we were going to struggle. Any team put out by Pulis will be big & strong. They will pack midfield, defend deep & play for a draw. We cannot set up in any game with Sanchez & Westwood in midfield with Grealish, Gil & Sinclair ahead of them. We were far too lightweight & the fault lies firmly with the manager. He needs to wise up soon.
Quite what Sherwood or the scouts saw in Gestede I do not know, he looks completely out of his depth.
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I wonder if he will make Adebayor a bollock busting offer?
Do we know if he's allowed to play for anyone?
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He's a free agent.
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As far as I know he can't sign until January as he wasn't a free agent before the summer window closed. Plus our 25 man squad is full.
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We have been a backwards and sideways passing team for a long, long time.
But, over the last few weeks, as a team, we seem to be getting slower and slower.
We take an age to get the ball forward, and seem very happy to play sideways and backwards.
So, it's piss easy to defend against as there is no pace or directness to deal with and the defenders rarely get turned.
It was a piece of piss for the Boggies to defend today, an absolute breeze.
It's all to easy to blame Wilkins influence, But I'm not so sure.
Where the fuck has our pace gone.
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As far as I know he can't sign until January as he wasn't a free agent before the summer window closed.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
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The slow thing is a good point. That's how we looked today, didn't have any urgency anywhere.
I'm also wondering about our fitness levels. We seem to combine bad injury problems with players who never really look in their best shape.
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We have been a backwards and sideways passing team for a long, long time.
But, over the last few weeks, as a team, we seem to be getting slower and slower.
We take an age to get the ball forward, and seem very happy to play sideways and backwards.
So, it's piss easy to defend against as there is no pace or directness to deal with and the defenders rarely get turned.
It was a piece of piss for the Boggies to defend today, an absolute breeze.
It's all to easy to blame Wilkins influence, But I'm not so sure.
Where the fuck has our pace gone.
i think it is because there is no movement ahead of the midfield so we can not attack with any urgency
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Apart from Man U we haven't played anyone of note and today's performance was reminiscent of the last 4 seasons. Different players same story. The midfield was so pedestrian. Grealish Sanchez and Westwood especially. I reckon the only reason Bacuna came on was to take a potential free kick which he did ineffectively.
The less said about Amavi's defending the better.
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what have west ham got that we don't
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what have west ham got that we don't
Confidence.
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Don't understand why we've ditched the 4-3-2-1 from last season because Southampton and Arsenal spanked us.
I never like playing with wide players, I think unless they're amazing it's an obsolete tactic in football now as sides can just mark them out of the game and outnumber you in the centre. At least back in the MON days we had good wide players playing for us but even then it had it's limitations.
That and I'm never convinced we can control and dominate games playing just two in central midfield, we need 3 in there as a minimum so we need to get Gueye fit, Traore fit and also give Veretout some starts now and work from there.
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what have west ham got that we don't
Confidence.
Brains.
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what have west ham got that we don't
Confidence.
Brains.
Tactics.
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The whole thing, manager and team was a stinking pile of putrid shite today!
Someone else said earlier when is this going to end? Our appalling home form can be traced back to when the roadworks started between Cannock and Stafford on the M6 and until they finish this torture will continue. In the light of any other explanation for 20 wins in 4 seasons that's what I'm going with....
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what have west ham got that we don't
Confidence.
Brains.
Tactics.
A clue.
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Got home with an air of resignation to the fact that we have lost our status as a big club.It's just embarrassing every home game ,I think we ' ve won 17 games in 4 and a bit years, interspersed with regular embarrassing home defeats to lower league clubs.If the next lower league club wins at Villa Park on Tuesday that will just about complete our humiliation.
Sherwood is NOT up to the job, and our owner has all but washed his hands of running the club so I think this out of all the last 6 seasons is where we will fall.
I really do hope I'm wrong but I think we'll be in deep shit by Christmas and they'll leave it too late to get a decent experienced manager in,other clubs are far more brutal in their appraisal of lame duck managers .
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what have west ham got that we don't
a decent manager, a centre forward.
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Adebayor still cannot come in until January anyway
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Heard an interesting factlet on the way home - we started with only 3 new players from last year's squad (Richards, Lescott, Amavi), so maybe no huge surprise that we're still heading for a relegation scrap, and worrying that with that squad we beat the Bitters
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The ultimate small time mentality.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/_12a_zpsnpwp1iy7.jpg)
is that actually been sent by the WBA official football club ?
Jesus. I know some of their fans are obsessed buy that takes the biscuit
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I've got an idea. Why not bring Rednapp in to support Sherwood and actually show him how to manage.
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The ultimate small time mentality.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/_12a_zpsnpwp1iy7.jpg)
is that actually been sent by the WBA official football club ?
Jesus. I know some of their fans are obsessed buy that takes the biscuit
Be honest, can you fucking blame them?
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They're going to take the piss aren't they. Blues will bring a DVD out if they beat us.
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When fit, bring in Okore for Hutton, Gana for Sanchez, even Clark for Westwood who isn't physical enough. Adama also is essential in the line-up. Surely that would make a difference?
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Well at least we took the game to them like Sherwood said we would... :o ::)
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what have west ham got that we don't
Confidence.
Brains.
Tactics.
Bubbles.
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So so much to criticise. We were utterly impotent. You can't win games when you can't score goals. Grealish is over rated. Doesn't get involved enough. He isn't good enough to swan around thinking he's Zidane - he ain't. Gil was a far more willing and effective performer. As for Gestede, Christ he's useless. Worst striker in a Villa shirt since the last time Ayew played. With his glaring lack of ability I'm expecting nothing more of Gestede than to prove a nuisance in the 18 yard box. He was awful at that. Worried now and another Saturday ruined.
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Shit. That is all.
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Is it too early to say BIG SAM?
I don't know. The last few years has worn me down so much, I don't even think it is the manager or players any more. It's the club. We are like Tommy Lee Jones in No Country For Old Men. We are an old, tired club in what is now a young man's game. We've been more or less an irrelevance for the last couple of decades. We don't have the energy or the will to even try and compete any more.
As for this season, it seems it's all going to rest on Traore, and if he's the real deal, and if he avoids getting another knock. One month out for getting kicked? This being the Prem, he might only 5-10 games this season.
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They're going to take the piss aren't they. Blues will bring a DVD out if they beat us.
So they should. Their squad cost less than £1.5m.
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Don't understand why we've ditched the 4-3-2-1 from last season because Southampton and Arsenal spanked us.
I never like playing with wide players, I think unless they're amazing it's an obsolete tactic in football now as sides can just mark them out of the game and outnumber you in the centre. At least back in the MON days we had good wide players playing for us but even then it had it's limitations.
That and I'm never convinced we can control and dominate games playing just two in central midfield, we need 3 in there as a minimum so we need to get Gueye fit, Traore fit and also give Veretout some starts now and work from there.
Where would Traore play?
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what have west ham got that we don't
Confidence.
Brains.
Tactics.
Bubbles.
A World Cup trophy and the finest academy in the whole wide Galaxy.
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We have been a backwards and sideways passing team for a long, long time.
But, over the last few weeks, as a team, we seem to be getting slower and slower.
We take an age to get the ball forward, and seem very happy to play sideways and backwards.
So, it's piss easy to defend against as there is no pace or directness to deal with and the defenders rarely get turned.
It was a piece of piss for the Boggies to defend today, an absolute breeze.
It's all to easy to blame Wilkins influence, But I'm not so sure.
Where the fuck has our pace gone.
i think it is because there is no movement ahead of the midfield so we can not attack with any urgency
What seems to happen is whenever the ball hits a player in space, said player dithers and waits until he's marked. Then the ball goes, to quote Bill Hicks, back and to the side; back and to the side.
That could well be down to lack of options the player has. But we have also sorely lacked any footballing brains for a long time.
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When fit, bring in Okore for Hutton, Gana for Sanchez, even Clark for Westwood who isn't physical enough. Adama also is essential in the line-up. Surely that would make a difference?
this time next year we will be millionaires lol
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Is it too early to say BIG SAM?
I don't know. The last few years has worn me down so much, I don't even think it is the manager or players any more. It's the club. We are like Tommy Lee Jones in No Country For Old Men. We are an old, tired club in what is now a young man's game. We've been more or less an irrelevance for the last couple of decades. We don't have the energy or the will to even try and compete any more.
As for this season, it seems it's all going to rest on Traore, and if he's the real deal, and if he avoids getting another knock. One month out for getting kicked? This being the Prem, he might only 5-10 games this season.
Makes my eyes water.
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Heard an interesting factlet on the way home - we started with only 3 new players from last year's squad (Richards, Lescott, Amavi), so maybe no huge surprise that we're still heading for a relegation scrap, and worrying that with that squad we beat the Bitters
This is a point I was making on the TS thread...its actually 4 players if you count Sinclair plus 2 subs. With a full strength squad we have options but a few injuries to key players and we are screwed simply because we're carrying players who shouldn't be anywhere near the first team (Bacuna, Hutton, Guzan, Gabby...and arguably Westwood) and some of the new signings are injured (Gueye, Traore), aren't fit/ready (Crespo, Ilori, Veretout) or good enough (Ayew, Gestede). It could be a few months until we start seeing the team he's building with new players actually take to the pitch, but we desperately need a new forward (£15m for Austin seems cheap now regardless of the risk) or we could be in too deep by Christmas. We need 3 or 4 players in the January window.
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I was going to comment on the game but fuck it, I can't be arsed to repeat the same things I ve been saying all season, Bournemouth away included because that is proving to be the fluke I saw it for, so I'm going to generalise instead.
I am petrified of this Sherwood bluster every time we come up against an organised workmanlike side. Hes been out thought time and time and time again. Worryingly, he ain't shown any signs of learning from his mistakes either. We look devoid of ideas up front and easily rattled at the back, and amazingly, I've only seen one intelligent substitution all season.
It's all a recipe for disaster if you were playing for example a lower league rival with an intelligent young manager who specialises in smash and grab results.
You have been warned.
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I'm surprised at the criticism of Sanchez. In the first half it was basically him and Guzan + nine passengers. We could easily have been four time at half time if not for those two.
Everything was just so telegraphed. It started with Guzan, who passed to Lescott. Lescott passed to Amavi, who passed it back to Lescott. He passed it to Westwood to put wide to Gil. He did a smart shimmy to take it past two of their players and into their half. There was nobody to really pass to, so he'd check back and pass to Sanchez. Sanchez would pass back to Lescott and we'd repeat the above a couple of times.
And at some point Fletcher would just step forward and take the ball off us. It was just like the Lambert times when passing sideways across the midfield wasn't a means to an end, it was both the means AND the end.
As for Bacuna coming on, I wonder if Sherwood saw any of last week's criticism and thought "alright you fuckers, you want an extra midfielder on? Here you go then". I can't really see any other logic behind it.
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That was so much harder to take than last weeks result.
For all the faults from last weeks second half I felt positive because of the first half performance.
Today was awful, just proper shit. Was it a very bad day at the office or have we got a complete chancer of a manager? I can't work it out. We have had a great summer of signings or was that the scouting team? He got us out of real trouble last season but form soon faded and the final was very poor.
We've had some good spells in matches but results are not happening because of the same errors and loss of concentration we've been seeing for years.
I spent the last few years hoping the little glimpses of good in Lamberts term would come good. They didn't.
I always thought a summer of new signing would need time to gel so I suppose I need to move on from this game and hope to see improvement and some wins sooner rather than later.
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fuck me I need cheering up!!!
any ideas
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what have west ham got that we don't
Confidence.
Brains.
U
Tactics.
Bubbles.
Inter city firm
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fuck me I need cheering up!!!
any ideas
Get a ticket for the rugby at Villa Park next weekend.
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For all the criticism that TS is getting for his tactics, part of the problem today is simply that our forward options are completely and utterly shite. The backwards and sideways passing were as a direct result of no movement or runs from the forwards...what are the midfield supposed to do if the forwards just stand their marking their markers?! Even when we got it out to the wings, both Gabby and Gestede were outnumbered and stood their like statues next to their markers without the slightest bit of movement.
Surprised no one has mentioned the penalty claim...looked well inside the box from me, and also the air kick from Gabby after Amavi had skinned their defenders and put in a decent low cross.
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Have just about calmed down enough to post some thoughts after being at the game earlier. In short - complete mess. It was clear last season that Albion struggled against pace, but he persisted with Gil and Grealish out wide. Both had their moments, but they hadn't really got the pace to expose their full-backs and always looked to cut inside. I thought Westwood had a poor game, Sanchez was his usual mixed bag and Amavi struggled defensively at times.
I'm starting to have doubts about Sherwood. He's making a lot of really strange decisions.
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fuck me I need cheering up!!!
any ideas
Running a few times around the block today. You could make this squad.
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Surprised no one has mentioned the penalty claim...looked well inside the box from me
It was, but he turned his back on the cross and it didn't look like it hit his hand. If we'd been penalised for that I'd have been livid.
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That has to be one of the physically weakest displays I have ever witnessed, barely laid a glove on them.
Can't see how this team is at the stage where it can carry Gil & Grealish from kick off - with them and Westwood / Sinclair there are 4 players whose idea of tackling is to vaguely wave a leg towards the ball, it's such a cowardly way of trying to mask a deficiency.
It seems we have been waiting for 5/6 years for a manager to find the right balance in the centre of midfield....still waiting! Might be time for 3 centre halves with 3 in the middle and 2 up top?? Sanchez still only has an hour in him, Westwood is neat and tidy - nothing more, nothing less - need Gueye & Gardner fit & Veretout up to speed to give competition in the that area.
As for the forwards, I'd go Kozak & Ayew on Tuesday with Gabby & Sinclair on the bench - Gestede has contributed the square root of eff all since Bournemouth so it's a chance for others to stake a claim.
As for today, Guzan, Hutton, Richards & Amavi did ok - the rest need a long look in the mirror & a proper rollocking!
The chant goes 'f**k em off, get into em' - would suggest a little of the 2nd part wouldn't go amiss!
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Today the F word came into play. Flat atmosphere,flat performance and young Mr Grealish flattered to deceive far too many times. The only two players to take credit for their output today were, in my opinion, Carles Gil who was very accurate in his passing and Carlos Sanchez who had a very good first half. Perhaps Micah Richards as well on reflection.
We didn't look like scoring at any stage of this match. Alan Hutton may get forward well but he cannot deliver a cross. Amavi has gone back from his searing form of the early matches. This being the case I don't see the point of playing Gestede whose main attribute is his heading ability. If they are going to play it short into the box you need a forward who can turn quickly such as Kevin Phillips or Jermain Defoe could in their prime.
The tide is turning against Tim Sherwood. One win in eight (I think) is far from good enough new players or not.
Libor Kozak is our best bet to deliver a goal or two but Sherwood doesn't even have him on the bench.
Not looking at all good is it?
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For all the criticism that TS is getting for his tactics, part of the problem today is simply that our forward options are completely and utterly shite. The backwards and sideways passing were as a direct result of no movement or runs from the forwards...what are the midfield supposed to do if the forwards just stand their marking their markers?! Even when we got it out to the wings, both Gabby and Gestede were outnumbered and stood their like statues next to their markers without the slightest bit of movement.
You can blame the players for sure, but you would expect the manager to have a tactical plan as well.
For me one of either Gill or Grealish need to be further forward when they receive the ball. They have too many players to beat and too much to do to be effective
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For all the criticism that TS is getting for his tactics, part of the problem today is simply that our forward options are completely and utterly shite. The backwards and sideways passing were as a direct result of no movement or runs from the forwards...what are the midfield supposed to do if the forwards just stand their marking their markers?! Even when we got it out to the wings, both Gabby and Gestede were outnumbered and stood their like statues next to their markers without the slightest bit of movement.
Surprised no one has mentioned the penalty claim...looked well inside the box from me, and also the air kick from Gabby after Amavi had skinned their defenders and put in a decent low cross.
This. Said it after Sunderland. I'm used to Gabby standing still for the majority of games but wasnt happy to see Gestede doing the same. I know he's new to this level, he might still not be fully fit, but for fucks sake, move around just a little bit!
The lack of forward options really is scary.
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For his faults, at least Cleverley seemed to make it his job to make sure that if something was happening he'd be trying to get into the box.
Even with five minutes to go and a cross about to come in, it was always Gestede in the box, on his own surrounding by three of their players and nobody else in sight.
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Beijing Villan, we need you to go to the UK for a week or so to sort out some business stuff.
Great, I think, and check calendar. Games vs WBA and the Blues, think I'll go then.
Why the fuck did I bother?
Insipid performance by most. Thought Gil, Sanchez, Guzan and Hutton all had reasonable games. Hutton was in acres of space for most of the game but rarely got the ball. Grealish was a huge disappointment - apart from one delicious run he fannied about too much.
Biggest problem - speed of thought and action. Baggies playing four centre backs, an aerial wall but not the quickest. So one touch passing and quick ball movement was called for. But no, we moved it very slowly, most players taking three or more touches which allowed WBA to reset and then we could not penetrate.
Would drop Grealish and Gabby. Play Kojak up front with Sinclair dropping off, 442.
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Oh, and based on the dross served up today decided not to buy a ticket for the game on Tuesday. Flown X,000 miles and can't face spending £40+ or so to watch such ineptitude. Depressing.
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For all the criticism that TS is getting for his tactics, part of the problem today is simply that our forward options are completely and utterly shite.
Agreed.
But who choosed, and paid 15 millions for, the forwards?
Was it Me?
Was it You?
(Did I watch too much TV?)
Or was it Tim?
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have to say it but how good are our signings
looks to me like a load of fancy dans and
free loaders!
very very disappointed so far
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I'm more or less done with this shite now.
Over the summer we were duped , we spent net the sum total of what £4m ?? We didn't buy a proven striker, we continue to play westwood at the heart of the side !! A league 1 player, we have a complete chancer of a manager and a washed up coach in Wilkins,
I'd take fat Sam now.
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I'm more or less done with this shite now.
Cheerio then. Been nice having you around.
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I'm more or less done with this shite now.
Cheerio then. Been nice having you around.
:D hallo Dafid
Jesus we were woeful today. It's getting worse not better
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Oh, and based on the dross served up today decided not to buy a ticket for the game on Tuesday. Flown X,000 miles and can't face spending £40+ or so to watch such ineptitude. Depressing.
You'll cave and be there.
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I'm more or less done with this shite now.
Cheerio then. Been nice having you around.
:D hallo Dafid
Jesus we were woeful today. It's getting worse not better
Well it doesn't matter any more does it? You're done with it.
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I feel for you Beijing Villa.
It's a similar story to a fella I work with, who is a season ticket at Anfield. Last week he sat next to someone who made the trip from Canada for his first game in 30 years of being a fan. They got beat 3-1 by West Ham
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I wouldn't take Fat Sam. Ever.
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I wouldn't take Fat Sam. Ever.
I'd take him in now before it's too late
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Never known an atmosphere so flat 4 a baggies game
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Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved. And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up. Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters". Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here. Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.
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If Rudy Gestede is an answer I struggling to understand what question Tim Sherwood is asking himself. Gestede does have some strengths but we aren't playing to them. He is good I the air but coming on to a crossed ball not winning flick ons from something lumped from the back in his general direction - he isn't mobile enough for that.
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For all the criticism that TS is getting for his tactics, part of the problem today is simply that our forward options are completely and utterly shite. The backwards and sideways passing were as a direct result of no movement or runs from the forwards...what are the midfield supposed to do if the forwards just stand their marking their markers?!
Then he should have signed a forward that fucking moves.
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We should keep Gestede fit for when we're in the Championship next season.
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Should of signed Austin instead of £10m on the woeful Ayew and £6m on an immobile Gestede . His naivety is being exposed and it's very scary.
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Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters".
Lambert had a reputation better than pretty much anything that we thought was a possibility at the time of his hiring. He and Rodgers were the two next up-and-coming managers based on what they had done and his Norwich team had a reputation as a dynamic, organised, attractive side.
The discussion on it from Spring 2012 (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=46704)
It didn't translate, but what we thought we were getting was a million miles away from what we thought we were getting with McLeish.
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Should of signed Austin instead of £10m on the woeful Ayew and £6m on an immobile Gestede . His naivety is being exposed and it's very scary.
I was saying this very thing in the car on the way home today.
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Should of signed Austin instead of £10m on the woeful Ayew and £6m on an immobile Gestede . His naivety is being exposed and it's very scary.
I was saying this very thing in the car on the way home today.
Agreed 100%
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Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved. And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up. Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters". Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here. Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.
The Pulis style wasn't dull today. WBA played far better football than Villa.
As for Lambert, I don't remember him being renowned as a "booter" type manager when he came to the Villa
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How come we took Gil off and put bacuna on or am i being thick
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Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved. And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up. Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters". Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here. Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.
The Pulis style wasn't dull today.
The "taking 3 minutes over every throw-in and five minutes over every goal-kick" was more dull and irritating than most things that can happen during a football match.
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Should of signed Austin instead of £10m on the woeful Ayew and £6m on an immobile Gestede . His naivety is being exposed and it's very scary.
I was saying this very thing in the car on the way home today.
So blindingly obvious all summer what was needed.
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Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved. And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up. Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters". Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here. Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.
The Pulis style wasn't dull today.
The "taking 3 minutes over every throw-in and five minutes over every goal-kick" was more dull and irritating than most things that can happen during a football match.
Everyone does that when they're winning. Even us...
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Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved. And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up. Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters". Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here. Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.
The Pulis style wasn't dull today.
The "taking 3 minutes over every throw-in and five minutes over every goal-kick" was more dull and irritating than most things that can happen during a football match.
Everyone does that when they're winning. Even us...
Spot on.
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Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved. And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up. Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters". Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here. Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.
The Pulis style wasn't dull today.
The "taking 3 minutes over every throw-in and five minutes over every goal-kick" was more dull and irritating than most things that can happen during a football match.
Everyone does that when they're winning. Even us...
Spot on.
Apart from at Leicester and palace...
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Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved. And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up. Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters". Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here. Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.
The Pulis style wasn't dull today.
The "taking 3 minutes over every throw-in and five minutes over every goal-kick" was more dull and irritating than most things that can happen during a football match.
Everyone does that when they're winning. Even us...
Apart from last week.
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Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved. And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up. Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters". Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here. Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.
The Pulis style wasn't dull today.
The "taking 3 minutes over every throw-in and five minutes over every goal-kick" was more dull and irritating than most things that can happen during a football match.
Everyone does that when they're winning. Even us...
Spot on.
Apart from at Leicester and palace...
Indeed, Leicester when two up but under the cosh we opted for the classic "take off a midfielder and bring on a struggling striker" option.
A classic piece of fucking idiocy.
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2 nil up away from home and Bacuna is ballooning 40 yard raking balls across our own penalty box. What exactly do they teach them at Bodymoor these days ??
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Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved. And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up. Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters". Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here. Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.
The Pulis style wasn't dull today.
The "taking 3 minutes over every throw-in and five minutes over every goal-kick" was more dull and irritating than most things that can happen during a football match.
Everyone does that when they're winning. Even us...
Not everybody does it before they are winning though, which is the difference.
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Really really truly fucking awful. At least with Delph and Benteke they looked like something could happen. Right now we look like a team totally devoid of ideas. I'm so fucked off the ****** have totally ruined my birthday
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Should of signed Austin instead of £10m on the woeful Ayew and £6m on an immobile Gestede . His naivety is being exposed and it's very scary.
I was saying this very thing in the car on the way home today.
Austin ain't leaving London.
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How come we took Gil off and put bacuna on or am i being thick
Did everyone Boo when he did that?
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Indeed, Leicester when two up but under the cosh we opted for the classic "take off a midfielder and bring on a struggling striker" option.
A classic piece of fucking idiocy.
But at least it was tempered by when being a goal down at home he went with "bringing off your most creative player and bring on an extra right-back".
Obviously it's all just conjecture, but had he done today's sub last weekend (or as Bacuna was already on the pitch [in body,if not in mind], the equivalent thereof) and last weekend's today we could potentially be looking at four points instead of zero.
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For all the criticism that TS is getting for his tactics, part of the problem today is simply that our forward options are completely and utterly shite. The backwards and sideways passing were as a direct result of no movement or runs from the forwards...what are the midfield supposed to do if the forwards just stand their marking their markers?!
Then he should have signed a forward that fucking moves.
Thats exactly what I'm trying to say...the problem now is that Ayew and Gestede are proving to be a waste of money, Gabby is shite, Sinclair is invisible and we have no other mobile forward options (Kozak isn't a mobile forward by any stretch of the imagination before anyone suggests Kozak is the answer to our forward options).
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How come we took Gil off and put bacuna on or am i being thick
Did everyone Boo when he did that?
Dunno about everyone. But it was as loud as the stadium had been up to that point.
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Surprised no one has mentioned the penalty claim...looked well inside the box from me
It was, but he turned his back on the cross and it didn't look like it hit his hand. If we'd been penalised for that I'd have been livid.
What was the freekick given for then if it wasn't flagged for the handball?
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For all the criticism that TS is getting for his tactics, part of the problem today is simply that our forward options are completely and utterly shite. The backwards and sideways passing were as a direct result of no movement or runs from the forwards...what are the midfield supposed to do if the forwards just stand their marking their markers?!
Then he should have signed a forward that fucking moves.
Thats exactly what I'm trying to say...the problem now is that Ayew and Gestede are proving to be a waste of money, Gabby is shite, Sinclair is invisible and we have no other mobile forward options (Kozak isn't a mobile forward by any stretch of the imagination before anyone suggests Kozak is the answer to our forward options).
He's worth a shot. Shit, he's got a better goal to game ratio then all of them combined.
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Surprised no one has mentioned the penalty claim...looked well inside the box from me
It was, but he turned his back on the cross and it didn't look like it hit his hand. If we'd been penalised for that I'd have been livid.
What was the freekick given for then if it wasn't flagged for the handball?
It was given for a deliberate handball. It was just never a deliberate handball.
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Genuinely believe sherwood will be given far less time than Lambert. My fear is who would come in after him ? Can even see fat Sam and harry having better things to do
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First part vs foxes we were flying. We've had the stuffing knocked out of the players and it showed on the pitch today.
They didn't look up for it and the baggies wanted revenge for last season.
Tim didn't alter the formation to suit this game as a TP side is setup a certain way and had to be counteracted to get the result.
If Gill couldn't last and had to be replaced what possible outlet woud bacuna bring?
Jack and Gil should have interchanged positions, switching sides, dribble to the outside and cross it in for giant man to either head in or knock down for gabby to clip in. QUICKLY.
Instead we get sideways passing and when we did break a few yards from the 18 yard area in a dangerous position and.....we slow it down and allow them to all get back behind the ball.
Tims judgement and decision making seems to be suspect at the moment, either he is showing too much faith in the players and they are letting him down or his instructions are crap.
If we don't come out of the traps on Tuesday and show a championship side for what they are - an irrelevance then I think Tim will be staring into the abyss as the next 6 games looks very difficult considering the state we are in at the moment.
I want him to revert back to the 4-3-2-1.
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For all the criticism that TS is getting for his tactics, part of the problem today is simply that our forward options are completely and utterly shite. The backwards and sideways passing were as a direct result of no movement or runs from the forwards...what are the midfield supposed to do if the forwards just stand their marking their markers?!
Then he should have signed a forward that fucking moves.
Thats exactly what I'm trying to say...
I know mate, weirdly I still have hopes for Ayew, I genuinly don't know why, hes looked dog shit awful but early days and all that :-/
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I'm surprised at the criticism of Sanchez. In the first half it was basically him and Guzan + nine passengers. We could easily have been four time at half time if not for those two.
Everything was just so telegraphed. It started with Guzan, who passed to Lescott. Lescott passed to Amavi, who passed it back to Lescott. He passed it to Westwood to put wide to Gil. He did a smart shimmy to take it past two of their players and into their half. There was nobody to really pass to, so he'd check back and pass to Sanchez. Sanchez would pass back to Lescott and we'd repeat the above a couple of times.
And at some point Fletcher would just step forward and take the ball off us. It was just like the Lambert times when passing sideways across the midfield wasn't a means to an end, it was both the means AND the end.
As for Bacuna coming on, I wonder if Sherwood saw any of last week's criticism and thought "alright you fuckers, you want an extra midfielder on? Here you go then". I can't really see any other logic behind it.
I thought he brought him on to get it in the Box for Gestede but I know your probably being a bit sarcastic.
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Haven't read the thread. That was total and utter shit. No excuses, the best team won but fuck me Sherwood you'd better sort this lot out or you won't see Xmas. Garbage.
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Gabby is truly shit. Drop him or get sacked. For many of the rest, it will take time to get them fit and playing obsessively but quite why Sherwood wants to pin his hopes on a guy who scores four goals a season God only knows.
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As for Bacuna coming on, I wonder if Sherwood saw any of last week's criticism and thought "alright you fuckers, you want an extra midfielder on? Here you go then". I can't really see any other logic behind it.
I thought he brought him on to get it in the Box for Gestede but I know your probably being a bit sarcastic.
Not really. If he and the coaching staff thought that Bacuna --> cross --> Gestede was the best chance to score the goals to beat West Brom (and although I'd disagree, it's not a ridiculous idea) , don't fucking make today the first league game to leave Bacuna out of the team this season.
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Surprised no one has mentioned the penalty claim...looked well inside the box from me
It was, but he turned his back on the cross and it didn't look like it hit his hand. If we'd been penalised for that I'd have been livid.
What was the freekick given for then if it wasn't flagged for the handball?
It was given for a deliberate handball. It was just never a deliberate handball.
In which case it should have been a penalty then if they deemed it to be deliberate handball? (regardless of whether it was or not)
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Surprised no one has mentioned the penalty claim...looked well inside the box from me
It was, but he turned his back on the cross and it didn't look like it hit his hand. If we'd been penalised for that I'd have been livid.
What was the freekick given for then if it wasn't flagged for the handball?
It was given for a deliberate handball. It was just never a deliberate handball.
In which case it should have been a penalty then if they deemed it to be deliberate handball? (regardless of whether it was or not)
Yes, absolutely - what happened, happened in the box, and if they thought there was something to be penalised it should have been a penalty.
It's just that nothing should have been given regardless of where the linesman imagined this event happening.
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They got it wrong twice with one incident. That's impressive going.
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But it did, they did and it should have been! ;)
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They got it wrong twice with one incident. That's impressive going.
When Gil lifted it towards nobody in particular, it's one of the very few occasions where two wrongs actually did make a right.
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Any one see the fucking tweet from the Albion?@WBAFCofficial: Over to you @BCFC
Best Wishes,
#WBA
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#giveatoss
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Any one see the fucking tweet from the Albion?@WBAFCofficial: Over to you @BCFC
Best Wishes,
#WBA
The ultimate small time mentality.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/_12a_zpsnpwp1iy7.jpg)
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Any one see the fucking tweet from the Albion?@WBAFCofficial: Over to you @BCFC
Best Wishes,
#WBA
Football fwiends.
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As for Bacuna coming on, I wonder if Sherwood saw any of last week's criticism and thought "alright you fuckers, you want an extra midfielder on? Here you go then". I can't really see any other logic behind it.
I thought he brought him on to get it in the Box for Gestede but I know your probably being a bit sarcastic.
Not really. If he and the coaching staff thought that Bacuna --> cross --> Gestede was the best chance to score the goals to beat West Brom (and although I'd disagree, it's not a ridiculous idea) , don't fucking make today the first league game to leave Bacuna out of the team this season.
Agreed
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We need to stop punting crosses in from deep. How many goals have we scored from this kind of ball in the past 5 seasons, a handful maybe? but we spend most of the game trying this same unsuccessful tactic. I thought amavi might be the key to getting crosses cut back, but he seems to have lost a bit of confidence already.
Same frustrations with repeating the same routine every corner we get. They don't work so how about we try something else?
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Having seen the goal just now and the majority of the highlights I wonder why lescott ran back on to the line which kept berahino onside. Being new ti team he went old school defending by covering the post and line in fact where Morrison was to put it but the stuck out leg meant went in. Very frustrating to see amavi caught in possession again. Seems to be a recurrence so needs help on left side . Sinclair needs to it up top and as striker and Gil slowly will get fit to run the show. West wood set pieces awful still .
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Gabby needs to be holding it up and laying it off like aguero did for kdb goal fir city today. Agbonlahor did out pace and trick mcaulauy on one occasion but that was based on a long punt upfield. Gil had his shot blocked but more play like that is needed if gabby playing striker. Needs to run channel and give big defenders run around. Today all too often was for west brom both from lack of movement and poor corner set plays
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Gabby needs to be holding it up and laying it off like aguero did for kdb goal fir city today. Agbonlahor did out pace and trick mcaulauy on one occasion but that was based on a long punt upfield. Gil had his shot blocked but more play like that is needed if gabby playing striker. Needs to run channel and give big defenders run around. Today all too often was for west brom both from lack of movement and poor corner set plays
What?
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I really want TS do be our next great manager (as we all do) but he better change his plans sharpish or get lucky. I don't think he'll get sacked after the money he has spent but if we carry on like this I reckon he'll walk.
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I really want TS do be our next great manager (as we all do) but he better change his plans sharpish or get lucky. I don't think he'll get sacked after the money he has spent but if we carry on like this I reckon he'll walk.
He was not given any money
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I really want TS do be our next great manager (as we all do) but he better change his plans sharpish or get lucky. I don't think he'll get sacked after the money he has spent but if we carry on like this I reckon he'll walk.
He was not given any money
net spend £10 million
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I really want TS do be our next great manager (as we all do) but he better change his plans sharpish or get lucky. I don't think he'll get sacked after the money he has spent but if we carry on like this I reckon he'll walk.
He was not given any money
net spend £10 million
So in effect no money in today's levels
Joke
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Obviously Gil was one of the slim hopes of opening them up, but it was reported he hadn't trained at all this week so I'm guessing the reason they would give would be fitness rather than tactical for him being taken off.
Gil was a bit Stephen Ireland esque today I thought, running laterally with the ball from side to side but nothing remotely threatening
A midfield four of Grealish, Gil, Westwood and Sanchez is very one paced
Grealish was another constipated one today
Traore and Gueye will add much needed pace and unpredictability
Lescott is another one finished at this level too, looks like he is running in treacle
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I really want TS do be our next great manager (as we all do) but he better change his plans sharpish or get lucky. I don't think he'll get sacked after the money he has spent but if we carry on like this I reckon he'll walk.
He was not given any money
net spend £10 million
So in effect no money in today's levels
Joke
He spent 50 million quid. Net spend or not, he spent fifty million pounds. I would have expected better results than what we've had so far.
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Genuinely believe sherwood will be given far less time than Lambert. My fear is who would come in after him ? Can even see fat Sam and harry having better things to do
Jurgen Klopp said his next club doesn't have to be one of the elite ones, there are clubs who need help.
Go for him.
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Genuinely believe sherwood will be given far less time than Lambert. My fear is who would come in after him ? Can even see fat Sam and harry having better things to do
Not all bad news then.
/baddumtish
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His obsession with Gabby is very worrying ,until he realises he is pretty crap at best we will not be beating anyone.
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In fairness, there's been plenty on here saying play Gabby today and Tuesday,
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Sherwood hasn't done what he said he was going to do and that is clear out the dross who have dragged the club into the relegation mire, season after season. In fact, he's done the very opposite and despite signing 10 new players in the summer is still playing the backbone of the side who almost took us down last year. Ladies and Gentleman, I give you Guzan, Bacuna, Clarke, Westwood, Sanchez, Gabby and Sinclair. If you include Grealish and Gil, although that would be a bit harsh on them both, that would make a total of 9 old stagers from the dreadful side of last season. Guzan, Westwood, Gabby and Clark have been members of losing Villasides for 3 or 4 seasons. What on earth are any of them still in the side for? Serial losers and inadequate Premiership players the lot of them. No crystal ball required, read the book. This lot have got form.
It seems to me that Sherwood has to back his judgement and play the players he brought to the club in the summer alongside some of the promising young players coming through. Grealish and Gil are the only two of last season's squad I would include. The rest? Nowhere near a first team sheet again unless we get a flu epidemic in the club. Goodbye, Guzan, Bacuna, Gabby, Sinclair, Clarke, Sanchez, Baker etc etc.
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Get rid of Sinclair? How ridiculous.
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I don't think he'd be playing so many if he could field his strongest 11. Clark has only played 4 games, and we got our 4 points in those, Sinclair has been worth his starts and a lot on here want him playing Sanchez. Same with Westwood. And I reckon Clark would play better if folks could spell his name correctly *winky*
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I actually wish we'd give Clark another bash in the centre of midfield, just to give us some aggression.
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Sherwood hasn't done what he said he was going to do and that is clear out the dross who have dragged the club into the relegation mire, season after season. In fact, he's done the very opposite and despite signing 10 new players in the summer is still playing the backbone of the side who almost took us down last year. Ladies and Gentleman, I give you Guzan, Bacuna, Clarke, Westwood, Sanchez, Gabby and Sinclair. If you include Grealish and Gil, although that would be a bit harsh on them both, that would make a total of 9 old stagers from the dreadful side of last season. Guzan, Westwood, Gabby and Clark have been members of losing Villasides for 3 or 4 seasons. What on earth are any of them still in the side for? Serial losers and inadequate Premiership players the lot of them. No crystal ball required, read the book. This lot have got form.
It seems to me that Sherwood has to back his judgement and play the players he brought to the club in the summer alongside some of the promising young players coming through. Grealish and Gil are the only two of last season's squad I would include. The rest? Nowhere near a first team sheet again unless we get a flu epidemic in the club. Goodbye, Guzan, Bacuna, Gabby, Sinclair, Clarke, Sanchez, Baker etc etc.
Has to be a troll.
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Guzan, Westwood, Gabby and Clark have been members of losing Villasides for 3 or 4 seasons. What on earth are any of them still in the side for? Serial losers and inadequate Premiership players the lot of them. No crystal ball required, read the book. This lot have got form.
A bit like Benteke and Delph.
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I would agree that theres too many players from previous seasons still playing but we do need some experience whilst the new players settle in. I'd imagine a few more will be shifted next summer, but there's also still Crespo and Ilori to come into the team along with Gueye and Traore so his first choice XI will look a lot different to what it is now I'm sure. Still have hopes for Veretout and we can't really write off Ayew just yet.
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The set up was all wrong. We were far too open, too disorganised, too slow and critical Stoke out numbered us in the midfield.
Stoke's back four played pretty narrow, with their midfield widemen tucking in. They would condense the space between the midfield and back four and really congest the central areas. We played at such a slow tempo, with no movement or width that it was easy all game.
There was space outwide, yet we didn't exploit it. Stoke lack any sort of pace, yet how many times did we turn their defence?
Once they'd taken the lead it was obvious that we would lose. The second half was typical Pulis anti-football. 30 seconds to take a throw in. 45 seconds for a corner. Cynical fouls, slowing the game down, 7 men congesting the back line. And us, clueless to do anything about it.
Long balls to Gabby. Why? Taking our one effective player in Gil off. Why? No width. Why? Bringing on Gestede and putting one cross into the box for him. Why?
Gestede doesn't look up to it at the moment, but you've got to play to his strengths to at least give him a chance. Amavi weak in the tackle and barely getting forward, but the biggest culprit in the team is Ashley fucking Westwood.
He is utter shite. I could do his job. No I actually could. I am full of neat passes and I neve give the ball away when I play either. He is the biggest problem with us. You want to know why Sanchez is fucked after 70 minutes, it's covering for this dimlow.
Time and again second half at Leicester their midfield ran off him. It happened all day today. He has no ability to game manage, he cannot pick a man up, they just drift by. When he does spot one, he's so flat footed that a tectonic plate could out run him. He's weak in the tackle and when you're outnumbered 3-2, it's no wonder Sanchez struggles, even if he does look clumsy, as to say we had two centrally either today or at Leicester is stretching credulity. Have a League 1 player in our midfield is part of the problem for why we are consistently poor.
I cannot believe Veretout on one leg would have less to offer.
I am a positive chap, but my patience has been exhausted. We are in for a season of struggle. Forget Man United, drawing at home to relegation certainties like Sunderland, getting beat by Stoke mk II suggests another season scrapping the barrel.
Sherwood is naive beyond belief. Today was the worst sort of McLiesh/Houiller/Lambert garbage. I am sick and tired of it and I am not sure whether we will stay up. Gana looks very good. Light years ahead of any of the pish masquerading as midfielders today. Traore looks to be of unbelieveable quality. They may make a difference, but we are woefully short up front, cannot defend and persist with lower league standard crap like Westwood and Guzan, then we will struggle.
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Stoke?
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Did we not play Stoke today?
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Stoke?
An attempt at sarcasm maybe?
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Anyone who tries to find positives in that pile of cunting c*** fucking shit can respectfully fuck the fuck off
I think you must have taken a dictation from me taylorsworkrate, because that is exactly what I said at the end of the game.
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The first job of any defender is to defend.
Amavi completely shit out of the challenge in the build up to their goal.
It's alright him getting up and down the wing - but his defending is very poor at times.
Baggies deserved it
Agreed - I was incandescent at his pussying out of that challenge. He just had to put in a meaty foot and hoof it 40 metres.
A French mate of mine sent me a message tonight reminding me of his comments in July - good going forward but remember he is a converted midfielder and not a great defender.
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I would agree that theres too many players from previous seasons still playing but we do need some experience whilst the new players settle in. I'd imagine a few more will be shifted next summer, but there's also still Crespo and Ilori to come into the team along with Gueye and Traore so his first choice XI will look a lot different to what it is now I'm sure. Still have hopes for Veretout and we can't really write off Ayew just yet.
Are Crespo and Ilori Premier League quality at this point in their careers, respectively?
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Never seen them play so absolutely no idea if they're good enough, but you'd like to think they were if we've bothered to sign them (even if Ilori is on loan initially). Comments from TS suggest that Crespo is nearly ready but Ilori could take a while yet.
I guess when we sign so many players in one window then its to be expected that a few wont make the grade so only time will tell on a few of these signing...Gueye, Traore, Amavi, Richards, Lescott and Sinclair make it about 50% success rate so far, but the jury is still out on the other 50% (pretty sure Gestede and possibly Ayew wont make the grade, but there's still hope for Veretout, Crespo, Illori and Bunn).
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What the fuck is Bilbo Bagginsbonlahor still doing in the side?
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that has a certain ring to it
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In fairness, there's been plenty on here saying play Gabby today and Tuesday,
The fact Gabby was 17/2 1st goalscorer tells you all you need to know. I was stupid enough to back him, that tells you more
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Feel so sorry for you guys, as I said last week, I could not stomach anymore, after last weeks performance.
Didn't go, didn't watch, and I feel better for it.
Although I expected us to draw rather than lose. I'm afraid i will stick with my observation that Blues will beat us next week, sounds like they may put a few past us.
They have everything to gain from thrashing us.
I have not watched any footy this week as TS tactical naivity has had me curled in a corner with my straight jacket on.
I'll be staying away for the foreseeable future, once TS is gone, I may return.
I feel I can watch Tuesday from my living room chair and really not give a toss, because obviously Tim don't, I hope for the fans we can scrape it.
Only slim chance of survival this year is Gana and Traore staying fit.
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If you don't care, why are you boring us on here telling us how much you don't care.
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Well I was trying (and not doing too badly) to remain upbeat but I've just spotted that in his post -match comments Sherwood refers to himself in the third person ("Tim Sherwood is at his best when backed into a corner" - from the Guardian), so my patience with him is reduced drastically.
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I want T'S to do well. I like the players he has bought in the main. I think the players play for him. I just hope that it is down to the fact he is as new and inexperienced as some of the players. We bought on Rudy so you have to play to his one strength. Gil was shattered and looked to the bench to come off. Bacuna gave us some width and produced ghe best cross of ghe game for RG to head over. We started slowly and they had a few chances. Once they got their lucky goal it was revert to type. A lot of teams better than us fail to break teams like this down when they pack out their half of the pitch. I feel it's still work in progress but just want us to be away from the bottom of ghe table for a change. I know it's a cliché but there really are not any easy games in the premiership any more. West ham Leicester Swansea are all evidence of that
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It looks to me like Gana got injured and we have literally got no backup plan. That formation with that personnel does us absolutely no favours at all.
Sanchez and Westwood as a central two are hopelessly exposed. I actually thought Sanchez had his best game for us at Palace when Gana was in there and we played narrower, but in what is a bastardised version of 4-4-2 he looks like the headless chicken we had for much of last year.
4-3-3 has to be the way to go. Gil and Grealish are not wingers in that formation and were hung out to dry. We had none of the ball first half, yet played it long again and again.
Gestede came on and we never once played to his strengths. The sarcastic cheers when he headed a ball midway through the second half were pathetic. The kid needs to play in a 4-3-3 and we need pace and width wide.
At the moment it looks criminal that he hasn't signed another central midfield player and striker. We're scratching around for options with Gana out. Veretout is the only fit option really unless he puts Clark or Ilori in there.
Worrying yesterday that he thought we could control a game with a central two of Westwood and Sanchez with no extra protection. It's basics and it's not the first time.
I'd go as far to say we won't win another game if he persists, why aren't his coaches telling him. I've seen very little in game flexibility / formation changes since he's been here.
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If you don't care, why are you boring us on here telling us how much you don't care.
It must be a luxury not caring. I wish I didn't care!
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It became all the rage last year for whoppers to come on here and drone on about how they'd be doing their washing or trimming their rose bush rather than be watching the Villa, with some boss eyed smugness.
If you don't care, fuck off.
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Down again about the Villa. Thought we were terrible most of the game. I know there's a lot of Westwood fans on this site but imo he's fucking terrible. How often have we seen a midfield with him at the centre of it completely outplayed? It's like playing with 10 men with him he has such little effect on the game. If Veretout isn't good enough to displace him in the team then he's a bum signing and another huge waste of money.
Get Veretout in the team. Get Ilori in the team. Sort the fucking ''strike force'' out, it's embarrassing. Gabby as a lone striker? Pull the other one, for fucks sake, stop buying in to this Gabby Villa man legend shit Sherwood, he's finished. Try Ayew in his favoured position at least, this is shit we should have been doing pre season, not groping in the dark nearly two months in to the season trying to work out how to form an attack.
Amavi, put your foot in, you let yourself down.
All in all another shambolic mess, crap start to the season and it looks like we will be doing another Wigan around Easter time. Plus point, Guzan didn't throw one in to the net this week for them and Gil looks like he can play football, shame about the rest of them.
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It became all the rage last year for whoppers to come on here and drone on about how they'd be doing their washing or trimming their rose bush rather than be watching the Villa, with some boss eyed smugness.
If you don't care, fuck off.
I'm sure everyone cares, it's just cooler to act like you don't care 8)
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If you don't care, fuck off.
This should be a note to the players.
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As an aside to yesterday can anyone who sits in the Trinity confirm Wilkins was in attendance?. I couldn't see him yesterday, but my eyesight isn't the best, and I couldn't place him this morning on the tele.
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Feel so sorry for you guys, as I said last week, I could not stomach anymore, after last weeks performance.
Didn't go, didn't watch, and I feel better for it.
Although I expected us to draw rather than lose. I'm afraid i will stick with my observation that Blues will beat us next week, sounds like they may put a few past us.
They have everything to gain from thrashing us.
I have not watched any footy this week as TS tactical naivity has had me curled in a corner with my straight jacket on.
I'll be staying away for the foreseeable future, once TS is gone, I may return.
I feel I can watch Tuesday from my living room chair and really not give a toss, because obviously Tim don't, I hope for the fans we can scrape it.
Only slim chance of survival this year is Gana and Traore staying fit.
thats ok then. You just desert the sinking ship and leave the rest of us to battle on.You can come back and join the party when things are better
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If you don't care, why are you boring us on here telling us how much you don't care.
Even if he doesn't care, he's entitled to state on here in a non caring manner that he no longer cares. I think.
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I care but certainly not to the levels I used to care, the last 5 years has been draining. Then again I normally step up interest and caring around November onwards .
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As an aside to yesterday can anyone who sits in the Trinity confirm Wilkins was in attendance?. I couldn't see him yesterday, but my eyesight isn't the best, and I couldn't place him this morning on the tele.
Yes he was - was briefing Veretout immediately before he came on
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We are piss poor at the moment guys. It's time to pull together and pull the club out of the shit. Had a look on the Baggies Web site earlier. They are wetting their pants at the idea of the Scum beating us and completing the "we hate villa more than you" double. Time to fight back against the hatred guys. WE ARE ASTON VILLA. No one likes us but we don't care
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Feel so sorry for you guys, as I said last week, I could not stomach anymore, after last weeks performance.
Didn't go, didn't watch, and I feel better for it.
Although I expected us to draw rather than lose. I'm afraid i will stick with my observation that Blues will beat us next week, sounds like they may put a few past us.
They have everything to gain from thrashing us.
I have not watched any footy this week as TS tactical naivity has had me curled in a corner with my straight jacket on.
I'll be staying away for the foreseeable future, once TS is gone, I may return.
I feel I can watch Tuesday from my living room chair and really not give a toss, because obviously Tim don't, I hope for the fans we can scrape it.
Only slim chance of survival this year is Gana and Traore staying fit.
100% utter gash.
You'll go once TS gets the boot?
Sherwood doesn't care?
No worries pal, you can hop back on board when things get better.
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As an aside to yesterday can anyone who sits in the Trinity confirm Wilkins was in attendance?. I couldn't see him yesterday, but my eyesight isn't the best, and I couldn't place him this morning on the tele.
Yes he was - was briefing Veretout immediately before he came on
Ah so that explains why he was so slow and crablike when he came on.
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pull yourself together man . Quick
I care but certainly not to the levels I used to care, the last 5 years has been draining. Then again I normally step up interest and caring around November onwards .
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Next home game v Stoke is starting to look like a must win already. Particularly as its sandwiched between liverpool and Chelsea away .
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Feel so sorry for you guys, as I said last week, I could not stomach anymore, after last weeks performance.
Didn't go, didn't watch, and I feel better for it.
Although I expected us to draw rather than lose. I'm afraid i will stick with my observation that Blues will beat us next week, sounds like they may put a few past us.
They have everything to gain from thrashing us.
I have not watched any footy this week as TS tactical naivity has had me curled in a corner with my straight jacket on.
I'll be staying away for the foreseeable future, once TS is gone, I may return.
I feel I can watch Tuesday from my living room chair and really not give a toss, because obviously Tim don't, I hope for the fans we can scrape it.
Only slim chance of survival this year is Gana and Traore staying fit.
Blimey you're a trooper.
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If we aren't bottom at Christmas then I will still back us to stay up.
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As an aside to yesterday can anyone who sits in the Trinity confirm Wilkins was in attendance?. I couldn't see him yesterday, but my eyesight isn't the best, and I couldn't place him this morning on the tele.
Yes he was - was briefing Veretout immediately before he came on
Ah so that explains why he was so slow and crablike when he came on.
Especially as Veretout doesn't speak English and I very much doubt if Wilkins speaks French!
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I don't think we would have scored had we played for another few hours (I know we did have the ball in the net). As for the subs, I thought all three were pretty pointless. Last week we needed a couple of midfielders on when we were 2-0 up. This week he brings a couple on when we were a goal down. Not too sure where the logic is in that.
As for the Sherwood out posts, let's not go down the fickleness route of the team we played yesterday. He's not had a good start but he's brought a hell of a lot in and we need to get behind it.
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Feel so sorry for you guys, as I said last week, I could not stomach anymore, after last weeks performance.
Didn't go, didn't watch, and I feel better for it.
Although I expected us to draw rather than lose. I'm afraid i will stick with my observation that Blues will beat us next week, sounds like they may put a few past us.
They have everything to gain from thrashing us.
I have not watched any footy this week as TS tactical naivity has had me curled in a corner with my straight jacket on.
I'll be staying away for the foreseeable future, once TS is gone, I may return.
I feel I can watch Tuesday from my living room chair and really not give a toss, because obviously Tim don't, I hope for the fans we can scrape it.
Only slim chance of survival this year is Gana and Traore staying fit.
In other words what you're saying is you're NOT a true Villa fan.
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I'm struggling to remember a more anonymous 45minutes from a player than Sinclair in the first half.
Gestede was awful in the second half but I did at least notice his terrible-ness. I can't remember Sinclair being involved at all.
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I was very pissed off yesterday as with most on here but I would like to think today calmer and pragmatic. I sense that our beloved team has gone down the 'Money Ball' route to transition and as the film depicted the real story, Oakland Amateurs Baseball team did take half a season to adjust. I have seen a general improvement up to yesterday and enough evidence to suggest that statistical analysis alone does not win matches- the capitulations at Palace and Leicester were the result of human error, both on the pitch and in the dugout.
Tuesday night will see the pieces start to click together- the importance of Gana and Traore cannot be underestimated as the latter is the potential match winner that all good sides seem to have.
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Ray Wilkins can speak French as he spend time at
Paris St. Germain[edit]
Wilkins left A.C. Milan in 1987 to join French outfit Paris Saint-Germain, with whom he stayed for only four months. But I won't know how good it is or bad :)
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The set up was all wrong. We were far too open, too disorganised, too slow and critical Stoke out numbered us in the midfield.
Stoke's back four played pretty narrow, with their midfield widemen tucking in. They would condense the space between the midfield and back four and really congest the central areas. We played at such a slow tempo, with no movement or width that it was easy all game.
There was space outwide, yet we didn't exploit it. Stoke lack any sort of pace, yet how many times did we turn their defence?
Once they'd taken the lead it was obvious that we would lose. The second half was typical Pulis anti-football. 30 seconds to take a throw in. 45 seconds for a corner. Cynical fouls, slowing the game down, 7 men congesting the back line. And us, clueless to do anything about it.
Long balls to Gabby. Why? Taking our one effective player in Gil off. Why? No width. Why? Bringing on Gestede and putting one cross into the box for him. Why?
Gestede doesn't look up to it at the moment, but you've got to play to his strengths to at least give him a chance. Amavi weak in the tackle and barely getting forward, but the biggest culprit in the team is Ashley fucking Westwood.
He is utter shite. I could do his job. No I actually could. I am full of neat passes and I neve give the ball away when I play either. He is the biggest problem with us. You want to know why Sanchez is fucked after 70 minutes, it's covering for this dimlow.
Time and again second half at Leicester their midfield ran off him. It happened all day today. He has no ability to game manage, he cannot pick a man up, they just drift by. When he does spot one, he's so flat footed that a tectonic plate could out run him. He's weak in the tackle and when you're outnumbered 3-2, it's no wonder Sanchez struggles, even if he does look clumsy, as to say we had two centrally either today or at Leicester is stretching credulity. Have a League 1 player in our midfield is part of the problem for why we are consistently poor.
I cannot believe Veretout on one leg would have less to offer.
I am a positive chap, but my patience has been exhausted. We are in for a season of struggle. Forget Man United, drawing at home to relegation certainties like Sunderland, getting beat by Stoke mk II suggests another season scrapping the barrel.
Sherwood is naive beyond belief. Today was the worst sort of McLiesh/Houiller/Lambert garbage. I am sick and tired of it and I am not sure whether we will stay up. Gana looks very good. Light years ahead of any of the pish masquerading as midfielders today. Traore looks to be of unbelieveable quality. They may make a difference, but we are woefully short up front, cannot defend and persist with lower league standard crap like Westwood and Guzan, then we will struggle.
Bloody hell. If even you are feeling pessimistic then we really are in trouble...
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Welp. This sounded fun. Was at a wedding with Albion in-laws yesterday, which was great.
Were we really that bad, or is there a bit of hyperbole on here?
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Welp. This sounded fun. Was at a wedding with Albion in-laws yesterday, which was great.
Were we really that bad, or is there a bit of hyperbole on here?
Didn't go and haven't seen any footage so I can't say.
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I sat on my seat for first time with season ticket and it is awful seat. As the linesman block my view for goalmouth at Holte End. Will be asking to change seat next time I pop in Birmingham.
Aston Villa is awful to watch as there is too much passing backward and sideways and no movement or cutting edge. There is also couple of crosses in the box in first half for Agbonlahor to head and he can't do it. We still have not overcome losing Benteke yet. I have now regret my decision to buy a season ticket this season :(
I wonder how long would it take to get the team playing well with good tactics, substitute and no soft belly and no place for the like of Agbonlahor or Westwood. We need a new manager I wonder would Jurgen Klopp be able to sort the team out.
From what I seen this season we will go down :(
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Wasn't long ago TS was saying that the Villa team were used to losing and it had become a habit, so he buys his own team and we are fucking worse. His new team is used to losing already and we don't have a player who looks remotely like getting ten goals all season.
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..... Jurgen Klopp.
Hahahahahaha. Comedy.
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We beat them twice in the space of a week last season (and denied them a day out at Wembley) so this is one we'll have to take on the chin i'm afraid.
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We beat them twice in the space of a week last season (and denied them a day out at Wembley) so this is one we'll have to take on the chin i'm afraid.
What strange logic.
I don't care about them, or taking one on the chin for them, I want to see us win, whoever it it we play.
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We beat them twice in the space of a week last season (and denied them a day out at Wembley) so this is one we'll have to take on the chin i'm afraid.
To be honest I'm sick of taking shit on the chin from Villa. If Villa were a woman I'd have walked.
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We beat them twice in the space of a week last season (and denied them a day out at Wembley) so this is one we'll have to take on the chin i'm afraid.
What strange logic.
I don't care about them, or taking one on the chin for them, I want to see us win, whoever it it we play.
It's not strange logic, we were playing a local rival so defeat is always that bit more gutting to take. You might not care if we lose to them, but some people do.
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Due to illness didn't go to the match, but what I've read and heard we must have been crap. But after watching Match of the Day have to say, that was shocking refereeing by Atkinson leading up to Richards disallowed goal. He was blowing the whistle, when Lescott was already putting the ball into the box, the obvious thing to do was to play the advantage. Admittedly Myhill might have got the ball, as he stopped, when he heard the whistle.
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What an awful day, thanks to a combination of the M25 and M40 I didn't get to my seat until just before the goal and it was pretty obvious we weren't getting back into the game. We don't ever look like scoring at home, no one takes a chance, it takes ages to put a cross in, we never up the tempo when we go behind, it's as though we accept our fate. Adama might have made a difference with his pace and unpredictability, the lad has plenty of pressure on him when he returns.
The only slight bit of entertainment was watching Rudy throw himself at any ball in the air, and failing most the time!
All in all a shocking day, bring on Tuesday!
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..... Jurgen Klopp.
Hahahahahaha. Comedy.
Not the only comedy gold on this page
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I always enjoy my day out with my son to Villa but as he said we could have done without the football that broke the day up, utterly depressing experience from first to last minute and the atmosphere was very flat throughout which I guess is understandable. We were sat in the family stand and Sanchez was getting stick throughout, I thought he played well first half, seems he is the latest scapegoat. I reckon Ayew, Gestede and Agbonlahor will struggle to match Benteke's 13 league goals last season between them, I'm not a fan but Gabby was okay in brief spells yesterday but if Gestede is the answer then Cascarino must have been part of the question and what is it with bloody Guzan playing defenders into trouble with his useless distribution?
Jonas Okore was sat near us and a few kids went and got his autograph and photo completely ignoring the guy say next to him, to be fair Gana was dressed like a member of a boy band. Day was rescued for my son by Jack's dad coming and making sure Jack signed his poster and having a chat with him and shaking his hand and telling him he's a proper Villan for making the trip from the North to watch Villa, made him very proud I can tell you! I was pleased to see all the players with the exception of Bacuna were happy to sign for the few kids waiting behind, Joe Cole was especially friendly with them all.
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Welp. This sounded fun. Was at a wedding with Albion in-laws yesterday, which was great.
Were we really that bad, or is there a bit of hyperbole on here?
So bad that even I can't begin to defend that performance. Weirdly, I don't even think it was so much us being shit, as looking totally unbothered (although high balls up to Gabby is certainly a seriously questionable tactic).
Albion were never put under any pressure, we never got into them. Especially in a derby, I expect so much more grit than that.
With the Blues match following on, I feel less about yesterday's result than I should, but I cannot see how we'll drag a positive result out of Tuesday & that is a horrible feeling - I can't remember going into a Blues game felling less up for it than I do - and they're a division below us now!
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There was a bloke in front of us who was laying into Sanchez all game. He got through an awful amount of work which is instantly forgotten when he gives the ball away. I thought he was our best player to be honest even if the competition wasn't that great.
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Welp. This sounded fun. Was at a wedding with Albion in-laws yesterday, which was great.
Were we really that bad, or is there a bit of hyperbole on here?
I'm struggling to recall even one incident where I'd say we should've scored. Nothing from closer than twenty yards out. Maybe one headed opportunity second half that cleared the bar by some distance. Anything on target, of which there was little, had all the potency of a well-placed back-pass. Think I'm correct in saying that we didn't win a corner for about an hour. An aimless performance that could easily be catalogued alongside many of those in the four years which preceded it. A tad disappointing.
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What an awful day, thanks to a combination of the M25 and M40 I didn't get to my seat until just before the goal and it was pretty obvious we weren't getting back into the game. We don't ever look like scoring at home, no one takes a chance, it takes ages to put a cross in, we never up the tempo when we go behind, it's as though we accept our fate. Adama might have made a difference with his pace and unpredictability, the lad has plenty of pressure on him when he returns.
The only slight bit of entertainment was watching Rudy throw himself at any ball in the air, and failing most the time!
All in all a shocking day, bring on Tuesday!
I had similar problems v Sunderland so left half an hour earlier yesterday. On both occasions I had to run from the car for a kilometre to just make kick off. Yesterday was just shite all round.
I thought Guzan, distribution aside, and Richards were not awful but most of the rest of the team were well below par. Gabby showed a few sparks of life but other than that we were poor going forward. Sinclair was utterly anonymous and Gestede probably needs proper crosses from the byline and not a general hoof into the box from deep. I have a sinking feeling about him, but desperately hope I am wrong.
Re Gil, he had a fair amount of possession but took a lot of touches and spent a lot of time moving laterally. He wasn't helped by a lack of movement in front of him. Grealish had a few promising moments but was generally peripheral. When we lose possession neither seems strong enough to help defensively.
Westwood had the worst game I have seen from him. He was awful.
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There was a bloke in front of us who was laying into Sanchez all game. He got through an awful amount of work which is instantly forgotten when he gives the ball away. I thought he was our best player to be honest even if the competition wasn't that great.
There's a bloke two seats down from me who I'm convinced has stopped watching the game as a whole so that he can concentrate on his main task of keeping a tally of how many times Sanchez loses possession. Never a mention of anyone else, just Sanchez. I'm with you. He needs help alongside him other than Ashley "nothing more ambitious than ten yards sideways" Westwood.
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Using the weird logic of football we will probably win our next 2 and then lose at home to stoke
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We beat them twice in the space of a week last season (and denied them a day out at Wembley) so this is one we'll have to take on the chin i'm afraid.
What strange logic.
I don't care about them, or taking one on the chin for them, I want to see us win, whoever it it we play.
It's not strange logic, we were playing a local rival so defeat is always that bit more gutting to take. You might not care if we lose to them, but some people do.
What I meant was that I don't want to take one on the chin as we beat them 2x in a week last season, we should be beating them all the time. I am more bothered about our performance than past results vs them.
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Welp. This sounded fun. Was at a wedding with Albion in-laws yesterday, which was great.
Were we really that bad, or is there a bit of hyperbole on here?
I'm struggling to recall even one incident where I'd say we should've scored. Nothing from closer than twenty yards out. Maybe one headed opportunity second half that cleared the bar by some distance. Anything on target, of which there was little, had all the potency of a well-placed back-pass. Think I'm correct in saying that we didn't win a corner for about an hour. An aimless performance that could easily be catalogued alongside many of those in the four years which preceded it. A tad disappointing.
totally agree with ALL that
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We beat them twice in the space of a week last season (and denied them a day out at Wembley) so this is one we'll have to take on the chin i'm afraid.
What strange logic.
I don't care about them, or taking one on the chin for them, I want to see us win, whoever it it we play.
It's not strange logic, we were playing a local rival so defeat is always that bit more gutting to take. You might not care if we lose to them, but some people do.
What I meant was that I don't want to take one on the chin as we beat them 2x in a week last season, we should be beating them all the time. I am more bothered about our performance than past results vs them.
I'd like to be beating them all the time as well, we all would. Every now and again though we're not going to and as annoying as it is, it's one we have to take.
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There was a bloke in front of us who was laying into Sanchez all game. He got through an awful amount of work which is instantly forgotten when he gives the ball away. I thought he was our best player to be honest even if the competition wasn't that great.
There's a bloke two seats down from me who I'm convinced has stopped watching the game as a whole so that he can concentrate on his main task of keeping a tally of how many times Sanchez loses possession. Never a mention of anyone else, just Sanchez. I'm with you. He needs help alongside him other than Ashley "nothing more ambitious than ten yards sideways" Westwood.
Both of you are spot on. Carlos Alberto and Gil were our best performers yesterday. Just because you follow the Villa doesn't mean you're not a moron. Reminds me years ago when I used to sit behind a bloke with a pathological hatred of Earl Barrett. I can still hear him screaming his name dozens of times a game even now.
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We beat them twice in the space of a week last season (and denied them a day out at Wembley) so this is one we'll have to take on the chin i'm afraid.
What strange logic.
I don't care about them, or taking one on the chin for them, I want to see us win, whoever it it we play.
It's not strange logic, we were playing a local rival so defeat is always that bit more gutting to take. You might not care if we lose to them, but some people do.
What I meant was that I don't want to take one on the chin as we beat them 2x in a week last season, we should be beating them all the time. I am more bothered about our performance than past results vs them.
I'd like to be beating them all the time as well, we all would. Every now and again though we're not going to and as annoying as it is, it's one we have to take.
I'd settle for beating anybody at the moment.
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There was a bloke in front of us who was laying into Sanchez all game. He got through an awful amount of work which is instantly forgotten when he gives the ball away. I thought he was our best player to be honest even if the competition wasn't that great.
He seems to be an easy target. I don't think anyone can question his ability to win the ball back and he often sprays 20 yard passes that go completely unnoticed because of how easy he makes it look, but as soon as he makes a slight error he'll get dogs abuse
One of the main things causing me irritation at games is how he can be quick to get stick, yet Westwood seems to get away with things despite being the inferior player, just because he's good at going into hiding.
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Sanchez was sloppy at times but I think he made up for it every time by getting the ball back. He was everywhere and as pointed out, better than Westwood who I barely noticed was playing.
Guzan and all the defenders were ok (and in Amavi's case very good). Gill and Grealish flattered to deceive I thought. Gabby was pretty poor, Sinclair and subsequently Gestede pretty anonymous.
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There was a bloke in front of us who was laying into Sanchez all game. He got through an awful amount of work which is instantly forgotten when he gives the ball away. I thought he was our best player to be honest even if the competition wasn't that great.
He seems to be an easy target. I don't think anyone can question his ability to win the ball back and he often sprays 20 yard passes that go completely unnoticed because of how easy he makes it look, but as soon as he makes a slight error he'll get dogs abuse
One of the main things causing me irritation at games is how he can be quick to get stick, yet Westwood seems to get away with things despite being the inferior player, just because he's good at going into hiding.
I think that's partly to do with the fact when he does make mistakes they tend to be absolute howlers. The bloke behind me yesterday was absolutely hammering Grealish, so I don't think it's just Sanchez who is singled out.
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Sanchez was sloppy at times but I think he made up for it every time by getting the ball back. He was everywhere and as pointed out, better than Westwood who I barely noticed was playing.
Guzan and all the defenders were ok (and in Amavi's case very good). Gill and Grealish flattered to deceive I thought. Gabby was pretty poor, Sinclair and subsequently Gestede pretty anonymous.
Not sure about that at all. His defending looked suspect on a few occasions and pulled out of a couple of challenges including the one in the build up to their goal.
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A poor game won by the marginally less shit team.
I still think we need to show patience. Most of us recognised it would take a few months for a team to emerge after the turnover of players this summer which has been compounded by injuries. Like most people I am still undecided on Sherwood but he at least deserves time to see what his players can do once they are bedded in.
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Well after our recent surrenders here it was refreshing to see an Albion side actually bully you on your home turf.
I thought we deserved the win and that's the best we've played under Pulis. We were well organised as usual, stifled the game but was a lot more effective with the ball.
Equally, you lot were very poor. No tempo with the ball, plenty of pointless possession and then bottled it when approached by Fletcher and Yacob. There was no movement upfront and every time I saw you cross the ball came as a relief because I knew there was no chance of your guys beating McAuley, Dawson or Evans in the air. There was plenty of laughing and criticism on here when we signed Evans but I thought he was top notch yesterday.
I think the worrying thing for you lot is that even in the second half when you were chasing the game, we still controlled the tempo of the game and created more chances.
The one noticeable thing was how much you missed Fabian Delph. He normally controls the game against us but not having him there was such a relief - nobody to link midfield and attack and his industrious style which sees him normally terror our midfield and centre halves.
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fuck that was bad, pitiful effort to get an equaliser too. They were weak defensively out wide yet we kept trying to play scrums in the middle
In some areas of the team we are getting worse, Guzan is definitely going to throw one in very very soon, centre back partnership is a bombscare, Lescott's legs are totally gone and is a pointless signing, Amavi defensively again cost us points today, no structure to our midfield and a non existent goal threat. About the only positives were Hutton was solid defensively and Sanchez put in a good shift too. West Brom as damn average as they are, deserved the victory. Played smarter football and had a genuine threat up top.
Our forwards are not mobile or clever enough to be running onto nice passes from Gil or Grealish, Blackburn did well by getting the ball wide and pinging quick crosses to Gestede. We dont have those kind of players available though.
Guzan 4, Hutton 7, Richards 5, Lescott 4, Amavi 4, Westwood 5, Sanchez 7, Gil 6, Grealish 5, Gabby 5, Sinclair 4 - Gestede 5, Bacuna 7, Veretout 5
so you watched the whole of this match yesterday and going on your individual scores you think Guzan was the equal worst player on the pitch ?
I honestly do not know what game some people watch sometimes
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Fair enough summary Liam. What I would say is we missed two key midfielders yesterday - Gana/Gueye, who is an upgrade on Delph, and Adama Traore, who would have given us pace, width and a more attacking threat. Those two in the team and it would have been a different game, but you're right - we were piss poor yesterday and (*through gritted teeth*) you deserved the points
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fuck that was bad, pitiful effort to get an equaliser too. They were weak defensively out wide yet we kept trying to play scrums in the middle
In some areas of the team we are getting worse, Guzan is definitely going to throw one in very very soon, centre back partnership is a bombscare, Lescott's legs are totally gone and is a pointless signing, Amavi defensively again cost us points today, no structure to our midfield and a non existent goal threat. About the only positives were Hutton was solid defensively and Sanchez put in a good shift too. West Brom as damn average as they are, deserved the victory. Played smarter football and had a genuine threat up top.
Our forwards are not mobile or clever enough to be running onto nice passes from Gil or Grealish, Blackburn did well by getting the ball wide and pinging quick crosses to Gestede. We dont have those kind of players available though.
Guzan 4, Hutton 7, Richards 5, Lescott 4, Amavi 4, Westwood 5, Sanchez 7, Gil 6, Grealish 5, Gabby 5, Sinclair 4 - Gestede 5, Bacuna 7, Veretout 5
so you watched the whole of this match yesterday and going on your individual scores you think Guzan was the equal worst player on the pitch ?
I honestly do not know what game some people watch sometimes
yep, he played like a pub player in the second half I thought
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Well after our recent surrenders here it was refreshing to see an Albion side actually bully you on your home turf.
I thought we deserved the win and that's the best we've played under Pulis. We were well organised as usual, stifled the game but was a lot more effective with the ball.
Equally, you lot were very poor. No tempo with the ball, plenty of pointless possession and then bottled it when approached by Fletcher and Yacob. There was no movement upfront and every time I saw you cross the ball came as a relief because I knew there was no chance of your guys beating McAuley, Dawson or Evans in the air. There was plenty of laughing and criticism on here when we signed Evans but I thought he was top notch yesterday.
I think the worrying thing for you lot is that even in the second half when you were chasing the game, we still controlled the tempo of the game and created more chances.
The one noticeable thing was how much you missed Fabian Delph. He normally controls the game against us but not having him there was such a relief - nobody to link midfield and attack and his industrious style which sees him normally terror our midfield and centre halves.
Fair enough analysis. I do think we were absolutely horrendous and your lot didn't have to do particularly much to beat us.
It was annoying watching your lot time waste from pretty much the start of the second half though. The officials should have been a lot stronger on that
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I was sat directly inline with Guzan in the 2nd half. He not once caught the ball first time. Everything spilled. It will cost us during the season.
As for his 'distribution' ..
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Albion did a proper job on us and did it well, as soon as they nicked a goal there was no way back, whenever we attacked they very quickly got 9 men back behind the ball leaving just Rondon up top, defensively in the main were more solid than previous years, midfield about the same as long as Gana plays the majority of games, up front though is very worrying as Benteke is such a huge miss, Gestede and Rudy appear at the moment to be very average forward additions, I am very concerened, 6 points required from next 4 games to give us points parity after 10 matches, we will be lucky to get 2.
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When did we last come from behind to win a football match ?
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Liverpool in the FA Cup?
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Liverpool in the FA Cup?
Oh yes of course although I was thinking more In the league ? Was it the Norwich 4-1 ??
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When did we last come from behind to win a football match ?
FA Cup semi?
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I agree with all of you we deserve better let's start at the top Lerner just sell the club at a low price and go >:( :(
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I was sat directly inline with Guzan in the 2nd half. He not once caught the ball first time. Everything spilled. It will cost us during the season.
As for his 'distribution' ..
Apart from the Rondon header?
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When did we last come from behind to win a football match ?
Notts County.
In the league, Leicester at home last season.
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Out of interest was that handball in the second half inside the area? I could not tell from my seat but a lot of people nearby seemed convinced.
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Out of interest was that handball in the second half inside the area? I could not tell from my seat but a lot of people nearby seemed convinced.
Having watched it back, it seemed inside the area, but was very harsh to be considered hand ball
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It was inside the area, but wasn't a handball, so they got it wrong twice. Just our luck, we get a dodgy decision in our favour but still manage to get skanked.
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Agree handball should have been pen. I would be interested to know wjo takes pen after Sinclair. Westwood would fancy it I suppose. Or gill or grealish.
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When did we last come from behind to win a football match ?
1982 I think it was.
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God that was awful. We should have had a penalty for the handball in the area but that would have only covered up the cracks, no chasms, in this team. Why were they lumping it up to Gabby? He's never going to make anything from those balls.
Gestede is finding the step up to this league too big. He's not even looking like a championship striker.
We're too lightweight in midfield. Can we afford both Gil and Jack in midfield? I don't think so. We need someone a bit more solid. Amavi needs to stop giving away stupid free kicks near the box.
I think Hutton and Sanchez did ok.
Apart from that the best I can say about my 400 mile round trip for that pile of shite was that the chicken balti pie was very nice.
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Agree handball should have been pen. I would be interested to know wjo takes pen after Sinclair. Westwood would fancy it I suppose. Or gill or grealish.
the TV replay showed it did not hit his hand.
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Agree handball should have been pen. I would be interested to know wjo takes pen after Sinclair. Westwood would fancy it I suppose. Or gill or grealish.
the TV replay showed it did not hit his hand.
Yeah, right in the ribs.
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Just home. A day and a half on the road to see that stinker. I did not see the Southampton game last season but that game other than the final was the first game of Sherwood's I have seen when we have been completely outplayed. That was the low water mark. We will beat Small Heath, play well at Anfield and beat Stoke.
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It became all the rage last year for whoppers to come on here and drone on about how they'd be doing their washing or trimming their rose bush rather than be watching the Villa, with some boss eyed smugness.
If you don't care, fuck off.
Tell you why I've finally give up dick head, I was diagnosed with a serious illness 7 months ago, after 2 operations and another one pending, i worry about me and family from now on and whether I'll still be here next you fucking twat.
If I decide to come away from being a loyal fan for 31 years, that's my choice, don't get me wrong, I've bitched occasionally over the years, but always backed the club through thick or thin.
But when you have no health, no money, no job because I ain't fit for work, you realise there are more important things in life.
Prat.
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I feel for you with that going on WB, but there's no need for the insults so less of that please. Your previous post did sound like the only reason you weren't going is because you think we're shit, so people will respond to that.
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It became all the rage last year for whoppers to come on here and drone on about how they'd be doing their washing or trimming their rose bush rather than be watching the Villa, with some boss eyed smugness.
If you don't care, fuck off.
Tell you why I've finally give up dick head, I was diagnosed with a serious illness 7 months ago, after 2 operations and another one pending, i worry about me and family from now on and whether I'll still be here next you fucking twat.
If I decide to come away from being a loyal fan for 31 years, that's my choice, don't get me wrong, I've bitched occasionally over the years, but always backed the club through thick or thin.
But when you have no health, no money, no job because I ain't fit for work, you realise there are more important things in life.
Prat.
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That's very harsh, considering no-one has a crystal ball and could possibly know how the state of your health is.
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Warleyboy, I am sure nobody knew the terrible situation you are in. You have the support of all us, without exception. This part of H and V is very cut and thrust, heat of the moment stuff. I find Off Topic much gentler and kinder. Hang in there Warley.
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Warley, read what Brian says.
I hope your health improves and things go better for you, soon. It must be a very difficult time at the moment. All the best for your recovery and UTV!
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I'm starting to think with Gana & Traore back we will win at Anfield. We generally have done well up there of late.
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I'm starting to think with Gana & Traore back we will win at Anfield. We generally have done well up there of late.
Can we have Lambert back for one game only?
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No. Never.
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It became all the rage last year for whoppers to come on here and drone on about how they'd be doing their washing or trimming their rose bush rather than be watching the Villa, with some boss eyed smugness.
If you don't care, fuck off.
Tell you why I've finally give up dick head, I was diagnosed with a serious illness 7 months ago, after 2 operations and another one pending, i worry about me and family from now on and whether I'll still be here next you fucking twat.
If I decide to come away from being a loyal fan for 31 years, that's my choice, don't get me wrong, I've bitched occasionally over the years, but always backed the club through thick or thin.
But when you have no health, no money, no job because I ain't fit for work, you realise there are more important things in life.
Prat.
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That's very harsh, considering no-one has a crystal ball and could possibly know how the state of your health is.
At least wish the man well, christ. I tend to think telling any fellow supporter to "fuck off" is "very harsh"
Hope things improve, chin up mate. All the best.
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Well after our recent surrenders here it was refreshing to see an Albion side actually bully you on your home turf.
I thought we deserved the win and that's the best we've played under Pulis. We were well organised as usual, stifled the game but was a lot more effective with the ball.
Equally, you lot were very poor. No tempo with the ball, plenty of pointless possession and then bottled it when approached by Fletcher and Yacob. There was no movement upfront and every time I saw you cross the ball came as a relief because I knew there was no chance of your guys beating McAuley, Dawson or Evans in the air. There was plenty of laughing and criticism on here when we signed Evans but I thought he was top notch yesterday.
I think the worrying thing for you lot is that even in the second half when you were chasing the game, we still controlled the tempo of the game and created more chances.
The one noticeable thing was how much you missed Fabian Delph. He normally controls the game against us but not having him there was such a relief - nobody to link midfield and attack and his industrious style which sees him normally terror our midfield and centre halves.
That's a pretty fair assessment.
You got into us really quickly and Berahino ( I think) got in front of Lescott to get a header on target in the 2nd minute. For the first twenty minutes you controlled possession and set the tempo and we struggled. Our best spell was probably the next 20 minutes where We broke a few times but completely lacked cohesion and movement, and we ended up turnng sideways allowing you to get organised. Other than the block on Gil's shot from Gabby's run we created nothing, and the second half was an exercise in futility.
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A poor game won by the marginally less shit team.
I still think we need to show patience. Most of us recognised it would take a few months for a team to emerge after the turnover of players this summer which has been compounded by injuries. Like most people I am still undecided on Sherwood but he at least deserves time to see what his players can do once they are bedded in.
Agree Chris, I'm not happy with the way Villa are playing at the moment, but not panicking quite yet. Give them another month or so to bed in properly.
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A poor game won by the marginally less shit team.
I still think we need to show patience. Most of us recognised it would take a few months for a team to emerge after the turnover of players this summer which has been compounded by injuries. Like most people I am still undecided on Sherwood but he at least deserves time to see what his players can do once they are bedded in.
Agree Chris, I'm not happy with the way Villa are playing at the moment, but not panicking quite yet. Give them another month or so to bed in properly.
Or properly start panicking
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Didn't haver the heart to contribute to this thread until this morning. What worried me most during the closing stages was the lack of belief I saw from the Villa players. They looked like they had given up long before the final whistle. It seems to be this season is going to be grim. Again.