Aston Villa vs. West Brom Post-Debacle Thread

[LukeJames]

Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved.  And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up.  Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters".  Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here.  Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.

The Pulis style wasn't dull today.

The "taking 3 minutes over every throw-in and five minutes over every goal-kick" was more dull and irritating than most things that can happen during a football match.

Everyone does that when they're winning. Even us...

Apart from last week.

[pauliewalnuts]

Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved.  And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up.  Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters".  Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here.  Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.

The Pulis style wasn't dull today.

The "taking 3 minutes over every throw-in and five minutes over every goal-kick" was more dull and irritating than most things that can happen during a football match.

Everyone does that when they're winning. Even us...

Spot on.

Apart from at Leicester and palace...

Indeed, Leicester when two up but under the cosh we opted for the classic "take off a midfielder and bring on a struggling striker" option.

A classic piece of fucking idiocy.

[silhillvilla]

2 nil up away from home and Bacuna is ballooning 40 yard raking balls across our own penalty box. What exactly do they teach them at Bodymoor these days ??

[Dave]

Sherwood is getting plenty of flack here and much is deserved.  And today showed why Pulis's style may be dull, but is far more likely to keep them up.  Our previous two managers were both renowned "booters".  Indeed McLeish had a reputation for being able to organise a defence, though I saw precious little evidence while he was here.  Neither were able to do any better than Sherwood has playing better football.

The Pulis style wasn't dull today.

The "taking 3 minutes over every throw-in and five minutes over every goal-kick" was more dull and irritating than most things that can happen during a football match.

Everyone does that when they're winning. Even us...

Not everybody does it before they are winning though, which is the difference.

[Phil from the upper holte]

Really really truly fucking awful. At least with Delph and Benteke they looked like something could happen. Right now we look like a team totally devoid of ideas. I'm so fucked off the ****** have totally ruined my birthday

[villadelph]

Should of signed Austin instead of £10m on the woeful Ayew and £6m on an immobile Gestede . His naivety is being exposed and it's very scary.

I was saying this very thing in the car on the way home today.

Austin ain't leaving London.

[Phil from the upper holte]

How come we took Gil off and put bacuna  on or am i being thick

Did everyone Boo when he did that?

[Dave]

Indeed, Leicester when two up but under the cosh we opted for the classic "take off a midfielder and bring on a struggling striker" option.

A classic piece of fucking idiocy.

But at least it was tempered by when being a goal down at home he went with "bringing off your most creative player and bring on an extra right-back".

Obviously it's all just conjecture, but had he done today's sub last weekend (or as Bacuna was already on the pitch [in body,if not in mind], the equivalent thereof) and last weekend's today we could potentially be looking at four points instead of zero.

[KRS]

For all the criticism that TS is getting for his tactics, part of the problem today is simply that our forward options are completely and utterly shite. The backwards and sideways passing were as a direct result of no movement or runs from the forwards...what are the midfield supposed to do if the forwards just stand their marking their markers?!

Then he should have  signed a forward that fucking moves.

Thats exactly what I'm trying to say...the problem now is that Ayew and Gestede are proving to be a waste of money, Gabby is shite, Sinclair is invisible and we have no other mobile forward options (Kozak isn't a mobile forward by any stretch of the imagination before anyone suggests Kozak is the answer to our forward options).

[Dave]

How come we took Gil off and put bacuna  on or am i being thick

Did everyone Boo when he did that?

Dunno about everyone. But it was as loud as the stadium had been up to that point.

[KRS]

Surprised no one has mentioned the penalty claim...looked well inside the box from me

It was, but he turned his back on the cross and it didn't look like it hit his hand. If we'd been penalised for that I'd have been livid.

What was the freekick given for then if it wasn't flagged for the handball?

[villadelph]

For all the criticism that TS is getting for his tactics, part of the problem today is simply that our forward options are completely and utterly shite. The backwards and sideways passing were as a direct result of no movement or runs from the forwards...what are the midfield supposed to do if the forwards just stand their marking their markers?!

Then he should have  signed a forward that fucking moves.

Thats exactly what I'm trying to say...the problem now is that Ayew and Gestede are proving to be a waste of money, Gabby is shite, Sinclair is invisible and we have no other mobile forward options (Kozak isn't a mobile forward by any stretch of the imagination before anyone suggests Kozak is the answer to our forward options).

He's worth a shot. Shit, he's got a better goal to game ratio then all of them combined.

[Dave]

Surprised no one has mentioned the penalty claim...looked well inside the box from me

It was, but he turned his back on the cross and it didn't look like it hit his hand. If we'd been penalised for that I'd have been livid.

What was the freekick given for then if it wasn't flagged for the handball?

It was given for a deliberate handball. It was just never a deliberate handball.

[silhillvilla]

Genuinely believe sherwood will be given far less time than Lambert. My fear is who would come in after him ? Can even see fat Sam and harry having better things to do

[remy]

First part vs foxes we were flying. We've had the stuffing knocked out of the players and it showed on the pitch today.

They didn't look up for it and the baggies wanted revenge for last season.

Tim didn't alter the formation to suit this game as a TP side is setup a certain way and had to be counteracted to get the result.

If Gill couldn't last and had to be replaced what possible outlet woud bacuna bring?

Jack and Gil should have interchanged positions, switching sides, dribble to the outside and cross it in for giant man to either head in or knock down for gabby to clip in. QUICKLY.

Instead we get sideways passing and when we did break a few yards from the 18 yard area in a dangerous position and.....we slow it down and allow them to all get back behind the ball.

Tims judgement and decision making seems to be suspect at the moment, either he is showing too much faith in the players and they are letting him down or his instructions are crap.

If we don't come out of the traps on Tuesday and show a championship side for what they are - an irrelevance then I think Tim will be staring into the abyss as the next 6 games looks very difficult considering the state we are in at the moment.

I want him to revert back to the 4-3-2-1.