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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on January 10, 2015, 04:46:38 PM
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We stank. Lambert out.
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Da da da da fucking useless
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Can we just skip to the post match thread next time?
Absolutely dross. Not good enough by a million miles.
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This is getting to be a bit much
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Piss poor and embarrassing against a team of utter cloggers. Buying unwanted cack like Scott Sinclair is not going to solve all our problems either.
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Out Out Out.
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Has to go.
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Sack the idiot now.
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Enough is enough. And I only saw the last 15 mins.
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Getting worse, not better.
Sunderland and Palace at home, Leicester away, two points, zero goals scored.
Utterly fucking pathetic.
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The worst performance I can remember under Lambert. Just disgraceful
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He's gorra go Tom.
1 goal and 1 win in our last 4 games and they were against bottom of the Championship Blackpool. When the other 3 games were Sunderland and Palace at home and Leicester away and we get zero goals, and obviously zero wins, then it really is totally unacceptable.
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Disgrace.
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Shit. Lambert out,Lerner out!
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If he uses the word excellent in his post-match conference i'm going to scream.
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This is getting to be a bit much
Fuck me, understatement of the season!
SACK THE USELESS THICK FUCKER NOW
Otherwise, there is no doubt in my mind we will get relegated and deservedly so as well
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Lambert OUT
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How can he survive this, yet we all probably know he'll be manager on Monday morning.
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please go you clueless tit
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unlucky, decent possession and Leicester hit us on the break
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Twat
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Go now, Lambert.
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We want Lambore out say we want Lambore out.
Last 6 league games, 1 goal 4 red cards. Teams in utter disarray.
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If we had conceded 6 or 7 then we could have had no complaints.
1-0 no way tells the story of the game.
Get that wanker Lambert out of our club before it's too late.
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down to 10 we go again
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Are there any Lambert supporters left?
Go now!
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Absolutely unacceptable and to cap it off another red card and probably a fine for not controlling players. Fuck off Lambert time has to be up now.
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6 hours without scoring in the league?!
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Woeful
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Only Hutton and another player went over to the fans, the rest fucked off straight down the tunnel.
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unlucky, decent possession and Leicester hit us on the break
Haha, you are Paul Lambert and I claim my 50p. That's exactly what he'll say!
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cleverly still on
nzg with two minutes left
gabby again rubbish
awful tactics
clueless
a really really poor team who are in serious trouble
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Lambert: The sending off was a turning point.
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Had enough, carry on like this and we'll be going down with QPR and Hull. No creativity and no discipline. Fuck him off, now.
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Going to be very very tasty at VP next week if Liverpool go a goal up or two. There will be a big crowd and one can imagine that the calls for that thick, useless twat to fuck off are going to be deafening
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ONE attempt on target.
ONE.
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According to the Beeb we had 1 shot on target against the side bottom of the league.
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What is there left to do? We can only refuse to go to games. They are not going to sack Lambert. He lost the dressing room when he got his four year contract. They players were as gob smacked as we were.
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Leicester deserved it...... Oh well i'm past caring or giving a fuck.
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We are on for more red cards than goals...
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If we miss this opportunity this week to get rid then we are going down. We need 5 wins, can't see us getting two.
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Randy, get your bag packed, get in that private jet and get to Birmingham as fast as is physically possible, you've got work to do.
That was one of the worst performances I can remember. Truly horrific. If Leicester had won 5-0 we could have had no complaints. No positives whatsoever, we are a shambles.
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Says it all when you watch a performance like that and I am not mad, shocked, outraged or any of that. I just roll my eyes and decide to not watch match of the day.
We have been so shit for so long now, I am numb to it all.
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11 goals in 21 games.
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Please could someone PM me when he's been sacked. I can then come to a post match thread when those who ultimately care about the club more than Lerner, more than Lambert and more than the players can say something other than what they say week in, week fucking out.
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So how many shots, goals or points in the next three games? Is 5,0,0 optimistic?
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Lambert out. Copy and paste for as long as it takes, while knocking head against a brick wall.
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One attempt on target against a team in the relegation zone. This is by far the worst performance of them all, utter shit. As for life without Benteke, we're getting used to it before he's gone.
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Players straight down the tunnel.
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Watch our defence turn to muck in the next few games now too. No Clark against Liverpool. Half fit defenders to come back. Okore's lucky he has two legs after that challenge, and as we saw in that run against last seasons top 5, we're good at defending to a certain point, but good sides will muller us.
We're in a dangerous run of form. Not just scoring, but results to. Sack Lambert now or we could go down. Leicester thoroughly outplayed us. They've also spent 9 mill on a forward, so they're really pushing to stay up. Expect other sides to do the same. West Brom and Palace have new managers. QPR have Austin, and will probably add to their ranks too.
We look fucking appalling and even Benteke is looking increasingly ineffectual. The occasional exceptional goal isn't enough if he's not getting enough bread and butter goals.
Shambolic and our discipline is that of a side that has no control from its manager at all. It's pathetic. A shame with Clark today too, as he and Guzan were our best players.
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If Lerner gave a shit, we'd be managerless before the night is over.
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unlucky, decent possession and Leicester hit us on the break
Haha, you are Paul Lambert and I claim my 50p. That's exactly what he'll say!
winky wink
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Randy, get your bag packed, get in that private jet and get to Birmingham as fast as is physically possible, you've got work to do.
That was one of the worst performances I can remember. Truly horrific. If Leicester had won 5-0 we could have had no complaints. No positives whatsoever, we are a shambles.
Randy doesn't do hard work any more, not when it comes to the Villa. He doesn't have the heart, effort or drive for it. Just keep things ticking over for me Lambore and keep me updated with the weekly phone call.
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If he uses the word excellent in his post-match conference i'm going to scream.
You'll probably hear my scream from where you are if he does that.
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Lambert/Lerner out!
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Lerner, get that fooker over the pond and back in your diner pronto
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Clueless. Absolutely clueless.
A few things about our 'new style'. Firstly it's cowardly. It was introduced as far as I am concerned almost as a two finger salute to people who have been criticising the team for having no possession.
Secondly it has been introduced without any plan. The players have just been told to 'pass the ball'. No more, no less. No plan for how to translate that into chances and goals.
Thirdly, it was always a sham. We have had a run of fixtures that have allowed us to stroke the ball around comfortably and not look threatened. This has in turn allowed Lambert and the team to proclaim that they are 'keeping the ball well' and proclaim that we look comfortable and just need to translate that into goals of our own. It was glaringly obvious that the players are just passing it aimlessly, there's not movement so very few options to pass to so when a team decided they didn't want us to have all the ball and play in front of them, they would press, our players would still have nobody to pass to and we would get harried into mistakes, conceding a bucket load of chances. That happened today and it was the worst yet.
Not only 11 goals in more than half a season but 2 wins in the last 17 matches and yes 7 goals in the last 17 matches.
Sack him now, nobody could do worse than that.
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According to Red Sox there was a fight in the dugout which I haven't seen mentioned on here.
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that's the worst performance of the season by a long way, we were utterly pathetic. The only positives were Guzan and Clark so it's no surprise that one of them got a shocker of a red card to miss the next 3 games.
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Today was the day I've turned to Lambert out. Possibly the worst, uninspiring performance I've ever seen from a Villa team. We've got good players in there as well, we need change now.
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There seems to be a real lack of discipline on top of everything else.
He's got to go.
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All this passing in triangles around the centre circle which seems to be our only tactic, next time it happens at Villa Park I'd love to hear some continental style whistles and jeers, something to really send the message across that it's not working. Having this possession is fine, but without any thought towards movement off the ball and getting forward it's never going to work.
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Clueless today. No doubt Lambert will be delighted at the possession stats and effort. It's that one big stinking 0 stat I keep seeing every week which is the problem. Leicester - the bottom club - could have had five. We have two gears and no map. We did get another red card of course. Sissoko, Cleverley and I have to say Benteke were particularly atrocious.
There has to be change. And the players also have to start looking at themselves, not good enough even for a largely mediocre bunch.
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If Lerner gave a shit, we'd be managerless before the night is over.
Sadly he's as thick as the manager and he doesn't give a shit either
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Utter hopeless , in the commentary the comment was made '' I don't know what Villa's game plan was here '' ..
The whole game like ones before it the fullbacks are left wide with no where to go and 2 men covering them.We play too narrow and too slow.
This team will go down , make no mistake about that.We are the worst team in the league I don't care where we are in the table currently , we are simply useless as an attacking force.
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6 hours without scoring in the league?!
Considering Benteke's goal v Man U was early in the game, it must be well over 7 hours I think...
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11 goals in 21 games.
0 in 4 against Palace, Sunderland, Swansea and Leicester.
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I can't think of a manager who has done more to get sacked.
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Fuck off Lambert! I suppose it'll be "we were excellent"
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Diabolical. And we gave this manager a 4 yeat deal?!
We are going down. I am 1000% convinced of that. We have a diabolical manager, a bored chairman, a brainless CEO who thinks we can be top 6. Players with no brains, no desire and no discipline.
Ramsay, McGregor and Rinder must be spinning in their graves to see the state this club is in at the moment.
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A real worry is the fact that since we reached the halfway point of the season when everyone had played each other once, we've had the easier reverse fixtures of any team - Palace and Leicester again.
When we went through the six defeats in a row and people said they were against all the big boys an argument could be made to say wait and see til we've played the other shit-munchers. Well now we have the toughest 17 games left of just about anyone including three of the bigger boys next. Which almost certainly equates to three more games we don't score in and yet still this fucker will manage to keep his job.
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One thing nobody can say is that he hasn't been given a fair chance. At any other club and under any other owner, he'd have been fired about seventeen times over by now.
The fact that the "Lambert out" chants are only just appearing is a reflection of how incredibly patient and fair-minded Villa fans are.
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If I was that pish at my job then I would resign. The man has no self respect.
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Lambert out.
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If Lerner gave a shit, we'd be managerless before the night is over.
Sadly he's as thick as the manager and he doesn't give a shit either
We are the once played with toy of a spoiled little rich boy.
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According to Red Sox there was a fight in the dugout which I haven't seen mentioned on here.
Lowton was involved.
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Yes he has to go, tactically inept yet again. Has he lost the players?
They won't sack him, who would they replace him with? There is no chance Lerner will have any appetite to search for another manager or the money.
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Lerner doesn't give a fuck so we're stuck with Lambert and we're stuck in the shit for the foreseeable future. What a horrible mess Lerner has turned this club into.
I curse the day he ever turned up.
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According to Red Sox there was a fight in the dugout which I haven't seen mentioned on here.
It was when the players were sent off - think Lambert actually got out of his seat and there looked to be a general melee between the two sets of coaches. Or rather, the Leicester coaches and those people who sit in our part of the dugout
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that's the worst performance of the season by a long way, we were utterly pathetic. The only positives were Guzan and Clark so it's no surprise that one of them got a shocker of a red card to miss the next 3 games.
Clark was a second yellow card so he misses one game - Liverpool.
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Lerner doesn't give a fuck so we're stuck with Lambert and we're stuck in the shit for the foreseeable future. What a horrible mess Lerner has turned this club into.
I curse the day he ever turned up.
Me too, though I didn't at the time of course. I still have my share certificate on the wall on the stairs to remind me of what a fucking idiot I was and how he duped me good and proper
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According to Red Sox there was a fight in the dugout which I haven't seen mentioned on here.
Lowton was involved.
I saw something at about 75 minutes, with Pearson turning away from our dugout with a smarmy smile on his face. Don't know if that was part of it
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If Lerner gave a shit, we'd be managerless before the night is over.
Sadly he's as thick as the manager and he doesn't give a shit either
We are the once played with toy of a spoiled little rich boy.
Couldn't put it better myself.
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Lambert seems to have no idea what he's doing and and to be making it up as he goes along. I know he's had his hands tied financially, and that the Premier League is all about money, but he manifestly is unable to make any difference as regards coaching, tactics or motivation.
Giving him a four year contract is probably the worst decision Lerner has ever made and it's up against some stiff competition. Even TSM was given the heave-ho after one season.
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If we sacked him now, would anyone be surprised?
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Pathetic result. Is that more red cards than goals this season? Certainly seems that way.
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This was truly bad - Leicester could have scored 8-10 goals - and yet I thought Guzan, Clark and Okore were our best players ! There is no movement at all, how many times do we say this ? "We have plenty who can score" he says - who ???? Benteke was only up for it at the end, he does not do enough. Constantly being offside is sloppiness. Agbonlahor should be benched, he needs a kick up the arse. Weimanns first touch when coming on, enough said... Cleverley: how can he be considered a 7 million pound player ???? Etc etc...
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If we sacked him now, would anyone be surprised?
Er, yes. F**king flabbergasted.
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Get Lambert out of our club, now.
Also too many "couldn't give a fuck" players in the squad.
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Lambert seems to have no idea what he's doing and and to be making it up as he goes along. I know he's had his hands tied financially, and that the Premier League is all about money, but he manifestly is unable to make any difference as regards coaching, tactics or motivation.
Giving him a four year contract is probably the worst decision Lerner has ever made and it's up against some stiff competition. Even TSM was given the heave-ho after one season.
Spot on.
The feeling that this utter shite is acceptable to the only people who can change things is just depressing beyond words.
He genuinely just can not change stuff on the pitch, and today was a perfect example of it.
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If we sacked him now, would anyone be surprised?
Very sadly.
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Pathetic result. Is that more red cards than goals this season? Certainly seems that way.
Last six league games, we've had four times as many red cards as goals we've scored. (4 - 1)
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
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If we sacked him now, would anyone be surprised?
Very sadly.
Yes.
Lerner doesn't care.
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Today was the worst I can remember us playing under him.
There was no thought, patern etc.
A simply 4-4-2 with width killed us because of our lack of any clue.
Benteke looks like a poor player, which is a sad state.
He has to go.
As for a replacement.... god knows. Someone with a bit of bloody drive to start with that can get some energy back in them.
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We have given this joker so much time! He has had three years to try to improve but we are getting worse and worse!
No ideas how can lambert possibly think the system is working! He is a disgrace he is letting players coast
The club is stale and rotten and I'm sick of ploughing money into players management and a chairman who frankly don't deserve a penny!
I'm done with it
Im a realist I don't expect much but the very least I want is players to try to push themselves to take that gamble fight and give it a go!
The only thing that Lambert could do to gain an ounce of my respect back is to resign
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The only positive might be it could shake the complacency out of the club this transfer window. We can go down, we are not safe, there are not 3 teams worse than us and we do need to spend to stay up.
Now is the time to open up that chequebook Randy.
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
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Has to go.
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I'd move for the bog-eyed one at Sociodad before he gets too comfy
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If we sacked him now, would anyone be surprised?
I would, just because it might show that Lerner isn't totally, completely and irredeemably incompetent.
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We have given this joker so much time! He has had three years to try to improve but we are getting worse and worse!
No ideas how can lambert possibly think the system is working! He is a disgrace he is letting players coast
The club is stale and rotten and I'm sick of ploughing money into players management and a chairman who frankly don't deserve a penny!
I'm done with it
Im a realist I don't expect much but the very least I want is players to try to push themselves to take that gamble fight and give it a go!
The only thing that Lambert could do to gain an ounce of my respect back is to resign
I haven't spent a single penny on the club for at least two seasons now for the same reasons. I am staggered, amazed and impressed all at the same time that anyone still bothers to go.
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There was a "poisonous" atmosphere in the away end apparently. Looks like the fans have properly turned now.
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For the first time I'm genuinely starting to believe that Lerner doesn't care at all.
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
No-one's debating whether they're entitled to that view but Brian's not wrong in his description.
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at least Guzan clapped the fans. No other fucker did.
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There was a "poisonous" atmosphere in the away end apparently. Looks like the fans have properly turned now.
You could hear it when Sanchez was taken off. Loud boos and chants of 'you don't know what you're doing' and 'Lambert out'.
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The only positive might be it could shake the complacency out of the club this transfer window. We can go down, we are not safe, there are not 3 teams worse than us and we do need to spend to stay up.
Now is the time to open up that chequebook Randy.
Not with Lambert. Get a new man in by next weekend, Lambert has had more than enough time and funds to improve us.
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
Of course they are. They would also have to be bat shit crazy.
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He should have gone last summer. The last 9 games of last season was every bit as bad.
In the last 30 league games we have 26 points. 10 of those were in the first four games in August, and a total of 17 goals.
It has the feeling of an unstoppable momentum.
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It's worse than McLeish.
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Fuck him out.
Get some semblance of professionalism into the club. Please.
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I've probably said it many times before, but almost every time I see us play it astounds me that there actually teams below us in the league. In terms of style, passing accuracy, movement off the ball, general footballing intelligence we look worse than any other team in the division, and even a few in the one below.
Don't know if this makes sense, but to me watching we play like we're going up a very steep hill. The momentum, if there is any, is always backwards. We never seem to drive or surge forwards properly.
Maybe I look at us with a more critical eye because I want us to play so much better?
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
No-one's debating whether they're entitled to that view but Brian's not wrong in his description.
No, I agree, he isn't. I'd love to see someone coming on here now supporting that tosser of a manager and us all saying that he or she is entitled to that view.
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Is it me are the entire Villa team playing like sweepers?
I have no idea what this new style of play is trying to achieve and nor do the players.
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I desperately want the managers job but only if Lerner is still running (?) the show. How much does it pay?
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The term Lambert apologists is in my view both fair and balanced. There are fans on here who support him and I think so long as that is the case those of us who think he is useless have no choice but to accept that.
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The truth is we don't have the quality to play a posession game and by trying something different he has turned a shit team into an even shitier team, he is single handidly destroying Benteke who never gets space now because the ball takes so long to get up to him.
Villa Park is in depression.
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The term Lambert apologists is in my view both fair and balanced. There are fans on here who support him and I think so long as that is the case those of us who think he is useless have no choice but to accept that.
There certainly used to be Brian but I think even they have ebbed away now and everyone is pretty much united in their opinion of him. Judging by this thread tonight, it is rapidly turning to hatred as well.
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Lambert out.
The whole club is in a state of paralasis and he actually believes all this possession bullshit.
We are the worst side in the Premier League and certain to go down, no one at the club seems to understand the fact that you need to score goals to win games, possession is useless if there is no threat of a goal at the end of it.
I will not set foot in Villa Park until Lambert has gone, I've had a season ticket for the past 30 years but this is the worst team and tactics I've ever seen.
Lambert and Lerner have become a cancer at our club.
Sack him and sell up, anything is better than this.
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
No-one's debating whether they're entitled to that view but Brian's not wrong in his description.
No, I agree, he isn't. I'd love to see someone coming on here now supporting that tosser of a manager and us all saying that he or she is entitled to that view.
It's intended as a derogatory term. The fact that virtually none of us has any faith in Lambert any more doesn't mean that anyone who does shouldn't be allowed to say it without being called an "apologist". Same as on any subject.
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Get Lambert out of our club, now.
Also too many "couldn't give a fuck" players in the squad.
I don't think its because they don't care, it's more to do that they're just not good enough. Lerner's cutbacks are coming home to roost. You sell your best players and replace th with cheap ones and you're going to suffer. That's what's happened to Villa for the last 4 - 5 years.
We have been deliberately devalued as a club.
Lerner out!
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that's the worst performance of the season by a long way, we were utterly pathetic. The only positives were Guzan and Clark so it's no surprise that one of them got a shocker of a red card to miss the next 3 games.
Straight red or second yellow? SSN said second yellow
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I really am quite cross.
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The term Lambert apologists is in my view both fair and balanced. There are fans on here who support him and I think so long as that is the case those of us who think he is useless have no choice but to accept that.
Why not say Lambert supporters which is what they would be? If I still supported Lambert as manager then i'd be a Lambert supporter, not a Lambert apologist.
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
No-one's debating whether they're entitled to that view but Brian's not wrong in his description.
No, I agree, he isn't. I'd love to see someone coming on here now supporting that tosser of a manager and us all saying that he or she is entitled to that view.
I still support him. Just. Results make it harder by the week though. No doubt.
Supporting Villa the past , god is it 4 years now since we nosed dived? Has really been pretty shit. I am not getting angry. Just more disinterested. Shrug.
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that's the worst performance of the season by a long way, we were utterly pathetic. The only positives were Guzan and Clark so it's no surprise that one of them got a shocker of a red card to miss the next 3 games.
Straight red or second yellow? SSN said second yellow
Second yellow and he didn't deserve it.
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Get Lambert out of our club, now.
Also too many "couldn't give a fuck" players in the squad.
I don't think its because they don't care, it's more to do that they're just not good enough. Lerner's cutbacks are coming home to roost. You sell your best players and replace th with cheap ones and you're going to suffer. That's what's happened to Villa for the last 4 - 5 years.
We have been deliberately devalued as a club.
Lerner out!
And lowered our expectations to boot.We used to dream about cups and top four with a swashbuckling style.Now we dream about a shot on target before the 60th minute.
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that's the worst performance of the season by a long way, we were utterly pathetic. The only positives were Guzan and Clark so it's no surprise that one of them got a shocker of a red card to miss the next 3 games.
Straight red or second yellow? SSN said second yellow
Second yellow and he didn't deserve it.
100% he didn't do anything
Miguel Delaney @MiguelDelaney 8m8 minutes ago
Fewest goals scored in a PL season is 20 by Derby County in 2007-08, rate of 0.53. Villa currently have 11 in 21, a rate of 0.52.
Great stat that ...
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If I was that pish at my job then I would resign. The man has no self respect.
I love that word pish. Sums Lambert up perfectly.
I wonder what Doug Ellis is thinking about Lambert?
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I can't think of a manager who has done more to get sacked.
you'd honestly believe that he is going out of his way to give the board no alternative. And this is a board that has found new and unique ways to justify keeping him around
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We're now accumulating red cards at a faster rate than goals. It's only going to end one way unless Lerner sacks this clown, but it's difficult to see him doing it. It's also
difficult to see what Lambert's is trying to achieve, and it looks to me as if the players are just as bemused. They don't seem interested. Be interesting to see if Lambert is asked about the critical chanting.
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Get some semblance of professionalism into the club. Please.
This. Now.
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Albion as a club have given up all pretence of being the Brazil of the West Midlands and compromised on their entire structure to bring in Pulis for one simple reason. To stay in the Premier League. We will sleepwalk to relegation on the basis everything will be fine because it has worked out OK the last few years in the end.
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If we sacked him now, would anyone be surprised?
I would, just because it might show that Lerner isn't totally, completely and irredeemably incompetent.
More from a performance, results perspective. With his record he should be sacked. But as you say the surprise would be if it actually happened.
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The poorest performance in years. We created nothing against the worst side in the league who didn't have a premiership player in them. A premiership side today would have beaten us 4 or 5.
I have never seen so much fighting amongst ourselves either. First half and then three or four times in the second and after the game. Proper brawls too between different groups.
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I hate to admit it but look at Rowett he replaces a dour unmotivating manager in Clark and then they win 7 games in 11
He hasn't had any money but he has motivated he had made football fun again! Players want to play again express themselves!
We need a change we need the players to want to play again! This team of players is better than relegation
He has to resign
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that's the worst performance of the season by a long way, we were utterly pathetic. The only positives were Guzan and Clark so it's no surprise that one of them got a shocker of a red card to miss the next 3 games.
Straight red or second yellow? SSN said second yellow
Second yellow and he didn't deserve it.
He certainly did IMO. You don't do the big confrontation thing when you are on a yellow card, he gave the ref a decision to make. Complete idiot ( that's Clark not you)
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Beeb said second yellow as well. I haven't seen any of the match but it sounds like the usual. I really thought we'd win today, it's a very poor result and I dread to think what the gap will be to the bottom 3, if any, by the time we play Hull.
There is no justification in keeping him employed. Difficulty or doubt or cost of a successor are not excuses for tolerating abysmal performance. Let's see if Lerner is paying attention. Sadly I think we all know the answer to that.
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if there is any kind of message Lambert is trying to convey to his players it either isn't getting through or they have simply stopped listening.
We are a ship that is floating along in rough waters, engine broken, rudder and propellers gone a while back. At some point the sea will just consume us. Just a matter of when.
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Beeb said second yellow as well. I haven't seen any of the match but it sounds like the usual. I really thought we'd win today, it's a very poor result and I dread to think what the gap will be to the bottom 3, if any, by the time we play Hull.
There is no justification in keeping him employed. Difficulty or doubt or cost of a successor are not excuses for tolerating abysmal performance. Let's see if Lerner is paying attention. Sadly I think we all know the answer to that.
He probably takes as much interest in the Villa as I have in tuning into the live national lottery draw.
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Lambert 'we didn't do enough in the last third.' Then banging on about possession again. No fcukin shit.
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Fucking fuming ! The only course of action we as fans have left is to boycott the games until both Lerner and Lambert fuck off.I ain't going against Liverpool what's the point ?
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I hate to admit it but look at Rowett he replaces a dour unmotivating manager in Clark and then they win 7 games in 11
He hasn't had any money but he has motivated he had made football fun again! Players want to play again express themselves!
We need a change we need the players to want to play again! This team of players is better than relegation
He has to resign
100% correct. There has to be a change now, another manager would save us, whoever it is.
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The only positive might be it could shake the complacency out of the club this transfer window. We can go down, we are not safe, there are not 3 teams worse than us and we do need to spend to stay up.
Now is the time to open up that chequebook Randy.
See, IMO, it's really not.
That would mean lambert was being backed, I don't want him backed, I want him sacked.
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Lerner's doing to us exactly what he did to the Cleveland Browns. The only difference is that when he decided to sell up there he had a buyer lined up and completed the deal quickly. With us he's just leaving us dangling in the hope a rich benefactor turns up some time soon. In the meantime we're stuck with a manager who, disappointingly, has turned out to be tactically and motivationally inept, with no assistant, and seemingly no real plan. He had Norwich playing decent football - how has he been so bad with us?
And I don't think anything's going to change during this transfer window. Even if Lerner did give Lambert money for new players - how much money and how many players would he need to get us out of the mire, and - more importantly - who would want to come here anyway? I don't thing he's getting anywhere near the potential out of the existing players - if anything he's making them worse (see Agbonlahor G, and Benteke C), and any decent potential transfer target would run a mile.
Every season there's one team that plummets from seemingly mid-table comfort to deep in the relegation mire. We are that team. We've had the 'easy' run of games, now we get the 'tough' ones, and by mid-February we could be deep in the shit, and given our goal scoring record (the second worse in any professional team in Europe apparently) that's exactly where we deserve to be.
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It was awful... It is actually the first game I have missed this year (my daughters birthday party.) but was watching via the internet, which I must say is a terrible way to see a game....
No doubt he is in trouble now, I actually think he will be gone very soon. We have been awful for a long while and although a change is needed, I am not sure what too. What I really find disappointing is the attitude of our club captain, someone who i think has a sick sense when I manager is in trouble and realises that he can do bugger all and get away with it.
He was a disgrace during the Mcleish time as he knew no matter how bad he was and how little effort he put in it was never going to be his fault, as we had our hate figure, I got told by a club official Gabby booked a break in dubai after his sending off, could you imagine how annoyed he was when it was rescinded, who knows if true but I could well believe it. Playing on a Saturday is just a chore for him, being made to work by various assistants in training, well the cheek of it, don't they realise who he is.
We then go through other managers and multiple assistants back room staff etc and on the strength of a decent 15 minutes every 6 or 8 games he gets a new contract.
I am not sure what is the answer, change of owner I suspect is really needed. Not that I think he is a bad person but he is just not interested and anyone that runs a business will know how that filters down. Having watched and followed Villa for many years home and away you get a sniff of when the end is near and I really think we are nearing it. What next, I have no idea but the senior leadership on the pitch needs to be changed very quickly.
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It's intended as a derogatory term. The fact that virtually none of us has any faith in Lambert any more doesn't mean that anyone who does shouldn't be allowed to say it without being called an "apologist". Same as on any subject.
I have to disagree with you on this PWS. Apologist is the appropriate term used for people who defend something unpopular. There's nothing derogatory about it, it's factual.
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2 yellows = 1 match ban
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Fully agree regarding agbonhalor! He is a coaster he doesn't deserve what he gets that's for sure!
Think pretty much of all them aren't putting it in now! They need to take along hard look at themselves
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Summary of Lamberts interview just.
We had a lot of the ball...
Work hard in training
We're mixing it up
The long ball game is not for me
We have to do better as a team (you think?)
He has said this at least four times
Going to work hard in training
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I can't think of a manager who has done more to get sacked.
you'd honestly believe that he is going out of his way to give the board no alternative. And this is a board that has found new and unique ways to justify keeping him around
Indeed.
In his 2.5 years here, he's had at least four or five runs of results that would get pretty much every other manager in the league sacked, yet he survives.
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The question is, who would want the job at this stage. What's the vision for a manager? We're so obviously in decline that it's a thankless task
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In his 2.5 years here, he's had at least four or five runs of results that would get pretty much every other manager in the league sacked, yet he survives.
Lambert's fortunate in having a boss who has even less of a clue than he does.
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Should he be sacked? 100% for me.
Will he be sacked? I would go as far as to say I will be staggered if he goes before the end of the season. Those of us making Christmas wishes are a couple of weeks too late for them to come true.
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There's four reasons why I don't think he will be sacked at least now.
1. The owner thinks he's doing what is required.
2. There would need to be a period of temporary charge - with no coaches wtf would that be?
3. The next three games are really tough so confidence could go anyway with a new bloke coming in now.
4. Even if there is someone out there suitably qualified and I'm struggling to think who that is then they won't work under Lerners corner shop spending regime. We can't even match a 2.5m fee for Sinclair.
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Summary of Lamberts interview just.
We had a lot of the ball...
Work hard in training
We're mixing it up
The long ball game is not for me
We have to do better as a team (you think?)
He has said this at least four times
Going to work hard in training
'The long ball game is not for me', then why try and play it for 2 years?
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Summary of Lamberts interview just.
We had a lot of the ball...
Work hard in training
We're mixing it up
The long ball game is not for me
We have to do better as a team (you think?)
He has said this at least four times
Going to work hard in training
In other words, he's out of excuses.
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There's four reasons why I don't think he will be sacked at least now.
1. The owner thinks he's doing what is required.
2. There would need to be a period of temporary charge - with no coaches wtf would that be?
3. The next three games are really tough so confidence could go anyway with a new bloke coming in now.
4. Even if there is someone out there suitably qualified and I'm struggling to think who that is then they won't work under Lerners corner shop spending regime. We can't even match a 2.5m fee for Sinclair.
I certainly agree with point three, we really need to get someone ready to take over for the Hull game.
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To paraphrase a famous football managers comments on another team;
If Aston Villa were playing at the bottom of my Garden I'd draw the curtains.
We are a joke.
Leicester were missing about 5 first choice players today weren't they?
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There's four reasons why I don't think he will be sacked at least now.
1. The owner thinks he's doing what is required.
2. There would need to be a period of temporary charge - with no coaches wtf would that be?
3. The next three games are really tough so confidence could go anyway with a new bloke coming in now.
4. Even if there is someone out there suitably qualified and I'm struggling to think who that is then they won't work under Lerners corner shop spending regime. We can't even match a 2.5m fee for Sinclair.
Point 2, some of our rivals changed managers very quickly, perhaps one league game under temporary manager.
Point 4, I don't think it would cost a fortune this month to improve us dramatically, it's as much about the coaching and style of play as the players
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Summary of Lamberts interview just.
We had a lot of the ball...
Work hard in training
We're mixing it up
The long ball game is not for me
We have to do better as a team (you think?)
He has said this at least four times
Going to work hard in training
'The long ball game is not for me', then why try and play it for 2 years?
It's unbelievable the constant shit he comes out with.
It beggars belief he has a striker like Benteke then sets the team up with no width.The full backs are expected to just bomb down the wing with no support to provide width.
The effort didn't seem there today but also the team in the main look shot of confidence.Not sure what he said at half time but they came out and where all over the place.The possession stat doesn't show the real picture ,our passing is sideways and safe ,sure we keep the ball but he do the grand sum of fuck all with it.We play as if we are 3-0 up and just coasting until full time.
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Another stat that once again shows that all you need to end a bad run is to play the Villa: that was Paul Konchesky's first Premier League goal for 1945 days...
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To paraphrase a famous football managers comments on another team;
If Aston Villa were playing at the bottom of my Garden I'd draw the curtains.
We are a joke.
Leicester were missing about 5 first choice players today weren't they?
Really? Five? I sat through most of the game wishing we could play like Leicester.
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Summary of Lamberts interview just.
We had a lot of the ball...
Work hard in training
We're mixing it up
The long ball game is not for me
We have to do better as a team (you think?)
He has said this at least four times
Going to work hard in training
'The long ball game is not for me', then why try and play it for 2 years?
Exactly.
The bloke is an absolute fucking chancer, making it up as he goes along.
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Anyone any idea what is the most red cards we have ever received in a season? Another unwanted record for the clueless one on its way me thinks.
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That's the point. He has no plan in which he has any confidence because he doesn't think anything through. It's made up on the hoof (buh-dum tish).
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Yet another shameful showing on the pitch, followed by an equally embarrassing performance from the two short planks man in charge.
He can give it all the 'new playing style', 'dominated possession' and 'hard work' bollocks he wants. I'm not an idiot, and I doubt a champions league winning professional footballer is either.
We both know it's goals, a by product of shots and creativity that win matches.
So man up Paul, admit you've run out of ideas, negotiate a pay off, move aside and let someone else have a go before you do damage that will take years to put right.
And as for Mr Lerner, please open your eyes. There is no loyalty in football. You have to act now, before its too late.
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
He's entitled to bash the Lambert faithful. If you didn't back Lambore you got months of smarmy bed wetter comments and calm down dear. Anyone with a clue about football could see this coming because it's what it's been since day one under him, almost constant shit.
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The way he contradicts himself really doesn't look good on him, never mind the results. The long ball isn't for him and yet we played it for yonks. Stats weren't for him until we started having a lot of possession and not scoring and now he mentions them every interview.
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I am so used to all this bolox, my interest is waining fast.
Lerner oh look at your season ticket money diminishing by the season.
will we get a sub 20,000 this season in the league?
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2 yellows = 1 match ban
My apologies for putting 3 games, I was too annoyed to think straight, yes it was a 2nd yellow and is just a 1 match ban.
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Summary of Lamberts interview just.
We had a lot of the ball...
Work hard in training
We're mixing it up
The long ball game is not for me
We have to do better as a team (you think?)
He has said this at least four times
Going to work hard in training
Typical interview, nothing get's addressed because he has nothing to say. Very limited manager so he doesn't want to get in to the nitty gritty of what is going on.
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
He's entitled to bash the Lambert faithful. If you didn't back Lambore you got months of smarmy bed wetter comments and calm down dear. Anyone with a clue about football could see this coming because it's what it's been since day one under him, almost constant shit.
So who exactly are the Lambert faithful? Or are you suggesting anyone who doesn't smash Lambert for everything is somehow in his camp? It is possible to not want him as manager and actually acknowledge not everything about him is it has been bad.
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To paraphrase a famous football managers comments on another team;
If Aston Villa were playing at the bottom of my Garden I'd draw the curtains.
We are a joke.
Leicester were missing about 5 first choice players today weren't they?
Really? Five? I sat through most of the game wishing we could play like Leicester.
Yeah Schemichel (they didn't even bother playing Schwarzer today), Cambiasso, Mahrez, Schlupp and Drinkwater.
Think they all played at Villa Park anyway.
So we lost to pre kick off bottom of the league missing half its regular team, well done Lambert! ::)
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
He's entitled to bash the Lambert faithful. If you didn't back Lambore you got months of smarmy bed wetter comments and calm down dear. Anyone with a clue about football could see this coming because it's what it's been since day one under him, almost constant shit.
So who exactly are the Lambert faithful? Or are you suggesting anyone who doesn't smash Lambert for everything is somehow in his camp? It is possible to not want him as manager and actually acknowledge now everything about him is bad.
What's good about him? Please don't say the players he's signed because to a man they look a sack of shit. The results don't lie.
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I get the feeling that there is a culture amongst the established players at Villa Park that discipline and hard work in training is not really for them. When Roy Keane's next tome arrives on the bookshelves it may well shed some light on what has been going on.
This sorry excuse for a manager has failed and failed and...... but he does not have the decency to resign. Quite possibly the owner would like to sack him but the financial consequences of doing this are not to Mr Lerner's liking...not at all.
I dont know. I expect if things are not changed by the end of this month we stand an excellent chance of being relegated.
We have reached our lowest point. Mr Lerner you really do have to make a decision, and now. If you do not your chances of selling the club
are negligable.
Do the right thing.
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There are no leaders on the pitch. Only Guzan and Clark. Agbonlahor as captain, what a joke. Benteke plays for himself, I do not like his recent attitude, sloppy offsides and telling his teammates they are to blame, as with Bacuna against Man United. He started looking interested late in the game today, however.
And speaking of leadership, Lambert just sits there doing nothing, no giving orders or directions to the players at all.
And we know he wont get sacked, that is the depressing thing. 2 wins in 17 games and 6/7 goals scored. And yet he persists with the same players. Others are strengthening in this window, we will probably get Dawkins & Sylla like signings.
I just wish Lerner would say something. Or Fox.
And Lambert: If he would only admit that we have a mountain to climp instead of saying that we are creating lots of chances and have plenty who can score goals. What a joke.
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Lambert should resign, but it's understandable that he won't, because he won't want to turn his back on all that money. After all, he'll never get as high profile a job again, now he's been found out.
Lerner is the problem. His detachment is slowly killing the club.
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Summary of Lamberts interview just.
We had a lot of the ball...
Work hard in training
We're mixing it up
The long ball game is not for me
We have to do better as a team (you think?)
He has said this at least four times
Going to work hard in training
Typical interview, nothing get's addressed because he has nothing to say. Very limited manager so he doesn't want to get in to the nitty gritty of what is going on.
You can fool some people some of the time Mr Lambert, but you can't fool everybody all of the time.
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I ask this almost every bloody week .Just how bad does it have to get before our owner wakes up and and gets rid of the clueless idiot
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
He's entitled to bash the Lambert faithful. If you didn't back Lambore you got months of smarmy bed wetter comments and calm down dear. Anyone with a clue about football could see this coming because it's what it's been since day one under him, almost constant shit.
So who exactly are the Lambert faithful? Or are you suggesting anyone who doesn't smash Lambert for everything is somehow in his camp? It is possible to not want him as manager and actually acknowledge now everything about him is bad.
What's good about him? Please don't say the players he's signed because to a man they look a sack of shit. The results don't lie.
So what is the point of having any kind of debate about him with you, if any point I bring up you'd dismiss? You even brought up something he's done quite well and immediately disregarded it. That's not exactly how discussion or debate works.
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There's a danger here of getting riled up over upsetting people who don't actually exist.
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We should have lost today by 3 or 4, against a team who had more fight in them than any of our lot.
In 40+ years of loyally supporting the Villa I've stopped watching during the games, because there's simply nothing to watch. I'm ashamed to say that I wanted Leicester / Albrighton to score today for the simple reason I want Lambert out. He's had enough rope over nearly 3 seasons to have been long gone. In truth he should have gone after the embarrassing defeat against Bradford. At the very least he should have gone last summer. No manager of any substance suddenly makes the wholesale / radical changes to way the team plays mid-season. He's suddenly decided to fundamentally change the way we play without having the players to play it.
Lerner may have had the best of intentions but this is the slow painful death of Aston Villa (and his investment), if he is watching he must be able to see this.
The players don't have faith in Lambert & the fans certainly don't, do we really have to get to the brink of disaster for Lerner to react?
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There's a danger here of getting riled up over upsetting people who don't actually exist.
I am the 1 in 10 baby! :)
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I don't know which is worse, the fact that we are terrible and in my view now in serious danger or the fact that like the bloke in the Iraqi hotel he continues to come out with the crap like we are creating chances Etc that is so laughably bad it would be funny were it not so serious.
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I ask this almost every bloody week .Just how bad does it have to get before our owner wakes up and and gets rid of the clueless idiot
If we sack Lambore then Lerner has to put in a little bit of effort and get involved slightly with the hiring. He doesn't want that. Everything of the last 4 years points to him not giving a rats arse and looking to put as little time and effort in as possible.
Lambore won't be sacked. Lerner is just sitting waiting for an unrealistic offer to come in for a club he's run in to the ground. This Fox bloke is another yes man. All these little hints that Lerner has his passion back... where is the proof? What have we done to suggest Lerner is back on the ball and looking to improve us? Gabby new contract, keep things ticking over. Lambore new contract, keep things ticking over. New Ceo because the old one started questioning the direction, keep things ticking over. We can't afford £3m for a player this window yet Lerners got his passion for the club back? Bollocks, they've taken the piss out of us for years with these constant jam tomorrow plans that have been shown up for what they are. Lerner can stick his tattoo up his arse.
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that's the worst performance of the season by a long way, we were utterly pathetic. The only positives were Guzan and Clark so it's no surprise that one of them got a shocker of a red card to miss the next 3 games.
Straight red or second yellow? SSN said second yellow
Second yellow and he didn't deserve it.
A blatant elbow to James' face. He is lucky that the ref booked him so retrospective action can't be taken. Should have been a straight red.
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It seems to be getting worse every week. Benteke has the potential to be one of the best in Europe, he's being wasted, barely in the game today. A few years ago he was a real threat, running at people, bullying defenders, making things happen, absolutely nothing today, its sad to see.
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
He's entitled to bash the Lambert faithful. If you didn't back Lambore you got months of smarmy bed wetter comments and calm down dear. Anyone with a clue about football could see this coming because it's what it's been since day one under him, almost constant shit.
So who exactly are the Lambert faithful? Or are you suggesting anyone who doesn't smash Lambert for everything is somehow in his camp? It is possible to not want him as manager and actually acknowledge now everything about him is bad.
What's good about him? Please don't say the players he's signed because to a man they look a sack of shit. The results don't lie.
So what is the point of having any kind of debate about him with you, if any point I bring up you'd dismiss? You even brought up something he's done quite well and immediately disregarded it. That's not exactly how discussion or debate works.
Toronto I disagree he's bought well, sorry mate the league positions, goals scored, goals conceded, possession, shots on target .... any stat you want to pull out of the bag we have done poorly at. We've barely played a good 90 minutes of football in 4 years, so how are the players he's bought any good?
Sorry if I've come across as an arsehole or aggressive I've just hit my limit today, so pissed off, no offence is meant to anyone. I think I need a lie down ha.
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Oh dear. The possession plan isn't working. The players don't look interested. We lose to the worst side in the league and they have five of their key players missing, we are likely to be charged again for failing to control our players, the owner isn't interested but expects the fans to turn up and back a manager who performs so badly, he gets a new contract. 11 goals in how many games? Rotten to the core. The club so very badly needs a new Manager, a new focal point. Quickly.
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First half stats:
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There's a danger here of getting riled up over upsetting people who don't actually exist.
I am the 1 in 10 baby! :)
I fear you may be a bit lonelier than that ciggies.
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Fox is Lerner's man at B6, he should be making it clear that Villa as an investment by a new owner is a no chance solution, so Lerner's losing money every week he does nothing about Lambert because sure as houses we are going to be relegated this season.
The players give every appearance of being disinterested, Lambert obviously can't motivate them and they have contracts so are fire proof until they can go on a free, If I was a player at Villa I'd be wanting to be away from Lambert as soon as possible before my reputation was tarnished beyond redemption.
A new manager might fire them up, Pulis seems to have got the Baggies on the right trail, but who could we get at B6 who was of good quality and experience and wants to come under the current circumstances, unless he was from Europe with some knowledge of the Premiership?
Fox needs to tell Lerner enough is enough before it's too late.
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I think we've all hit our limit today ,what a shambles of a club.
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There's a danger here of getting riled up over upsetting people who don't actually exist.
I am the 1 in 10 baby! :)
I fear you may be a bit lonelier than that ciggies.
Heh true. Give me till the end of January. No transfers, in the relegation spots I am sure I will turn.
Still football pretty much sucks right now. No doubt :(
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I wonder how long it will be before the Lambert apologists start to show their heads above the parapet? About Tuesday at a guess. We deserve Lambert because we have done so little to get rid of him for so long.
Do you really need to come out with "Lambert apologists"? If, for whatever reason, anyone still supports him, then they are fully entitled to that view.
He's entitled to bash the Lambert faithful. If you didn't back Lambore you got months of smarmy bed wetter comments and calm down dear. Anyone with a clue about football could see this coming because it's what it's been since day one under him, almost constant shit.
So who exactly are the Lambert faithful? Or are you suggesting anyone who doesn't smash Lambert for everything is somehow in his camp? It is possible to not want him as manager and actually acknowledge now everything about him is bad.
What's good about him? Please don't say the players he's signed because to a man they look a sack of shit. The results don't lie.
So what is the point of having any kind of debate about him with you, if any point I bring up you'd dismiss? You even brought up something he's done quite well and immediately disregarded it. That's not exactly how discussion or debate works.
Toronto I disagree he's bought well, sorry mate the league positions, goals scored, goals conceded, possession, shots on target .... any stat you want to pull out of the bag we have done poorly at. We've barely played a good 90 minutes of football in 4 years, so how are the players he's bought any good?
Sorry if I've come across as an arsehole or aggressive I've just hit my limit today, so pissed off, no offence is meant to anyone. I think I need a lie down ha.
No problem, apology accepted and I completely understand and share in your frustration. I just think another manager can get a lot more out of these players than Lambert is doing.
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Surely if Lerner possesses a grain of inteligence then he will want to protect his investment. He will find the club even harder to sell a Championship club, particuarly for the price he is likely asking for.
I am convinced we will go down, and I don't think that will be the end of it. It could well get worse before it gets better.
I wonder what Doug Ellis thinks of all this. I know he publicly backs the owner, but he must be privately seething at the colossal cock up Lerner has made of Aston Villa. Ellis would never have put up with this amount of humiliation over this long. Yes he had many faults, but at least he had an affection for us. Lerner and Fox see it as a business, not a passion.
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This is the tipping point now.
The only way to get him out is to not attend anymore.
We've become a national joke.
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This is the tipping point now.
The only way to get him out is to not attend anymore.
We've become a national joke.
this !
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Potential owners wouldn't mind Villa being in the Championship. Would cost them less to buy. Lerner, however, surely wouldn't want this? Act now. Change the Manager, bring the fans together.
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The 606 staffer who is a Villa fan, and who attended the game today, seems to think that the Villa fans are at fault for not getting behind the team, and fighting each other in the stands. He didn't criticize the manager at all, and put more fault at Lerner's door.
I didn't go today, but in my experience Villa's away support is generally very large and supportive. If the Villa fans were not very supportive today, it is surely as a result of today's performance on top of those that have preceded it. There's a limit to how long you can will a poorly managed team of incompetents to score a goal.
Whilst Lerner is certainly responsible for mismanagement off the pitch, if I was calling 606 my take on today would be 'what was Lambert's plan for how to win the game?' because I don't know what it was, and I don't think he does either.
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A fairly obvious point is that we play without passion or intensity, and surely this stems from Lambert.
I remember being in Dublin in March 2013 for a friend's 50th and her cousin from Glasgow was with me sharing a hangover watching football focus , where they interviewed Lambert before that crucial 2-1 win at Reading. Glasgow girl watched the interview and said to me " I can see why you are in trouble, how on earth is he meant to motivate people to play football'.
I've been convinced at this time of year for the past 4 years that we would be relegated. I'm convinced again.
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Sat in the City fans today. Before the game I was worried if I was able to keep a lid on things, I shouldn't have worried, there was nothing to get excited about bar the brawl at the end. Awful performance, awful tactics, awful manager.
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Sat in the City fans today. Before the game I was worried if I was able to keep a lid on things, I shouldn't have worried, there was nothing to get excited about bar the brawl at the end. Awful performance, awful tactics, awful manager.
should have gone with his trusted bullies at the end of last season,still don't understand how he didn't go then.
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The worrying thing is Lerner doesn't seem to understand how the game works over here. It's a results business Randy - understand? Be good if he actually made a statement on the state we're in now. But I won't hold my breath......
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Lambert should resign, but it's understandable that he won't, because he won't want to turn his back on all that money. After all, he'll never get as high profile a job again, now he's been found out.
Lerner is the problem. His detachment is slowly killing the club.
Indeed.
Lerner has spent the last 5 or so seasons devaluing the club, lowering fans expectations, lowering the profile of the club and humiliating us left right and centre, and all because he couldn't give a damn about Aston Villa. We are now perennial relegation struggling rubbish (something we've never been in my time supporting the club) with the one and only remit to keep us in the Premier League while he tries in vain to flog the club for a ridiculous price. He is nothing short of an absolute disgrace and has got away with it scot free.
He is public enemy number 1 as far as I'm concerned and I don't care how OTT that sounds because it's damn well true.
We're a proud club. One of the great names in English football and we've been reduced to the 3rd rate outfit we see every week on the pitch.
Lerner/Lambert out!
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By my calculations, if we lose v Liverpool (if? Who am I kidding?), and the 5 teams immediately below us win then Lambert will have finally succeeded in dropping us into the relegation zone. Perhaps then Lerner might act but I ain't holding my breath.
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This team should not be shit, thats my problem, they should be easily good enough to be comfortable. That might bring the odd silly defeat, the odd brilliant win but overall generally ok.
We're not though we are terrible to watch, maybe hard to beat but above all boring and toothless.
This has to be Lambert's fault. He's made us solid at last but that's taken 3 years, I can not wait 3 years for us to to crack the object of scoring.
He has to go now.
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The 606 staffer who is a Villa fan, and who attended the game today, seems to think that the Villa fans are at fault for not getting behind the team, and fighting each other in the stands. He didn't criticize the manager at all, and put more fault at Lerner's door.
I didn't go today, but in my experience Villa's away support is generally very large and supportive. If the Villa fans were not very supportive today, it is surely as a result of today's performance on top of those that have preceded it. There's a limit to how long you can will a poorly managed team of incompetents to score a goal.
Whilst Lerner is certainly responsible for mismanagement off the pitch, if I was calling 606 my take on today would be 'what was Lambert's plan for how to win the game?' because I don't know what it was, and I don't think he does either.
Sitting at the other end of the ground on the whole the Villa fans were relatively quiet but a few "Lambert out" and "you don't know what you're doing chants" were pretty loud.
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This team should not be shit, thats my problem, they should be easily good enough to be comfortable. That might bring the odd silly defeat, the odd brilliant win but overall generally ok.
We're not though we are terrible to watch, maybe hard to beat but above all boring and toothless.
This has to be Lambert's fault. He's made us solid at last but that's taken 3 years, I can not wait 3 years for us to to crack the object of scoring.
He has to go now.
This
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Any ideas on what Lambert was writing in his notebook? I think it was a satirical cartoon of a certain religious icon.
That's what I've told Al Jazeera anyway.
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Any ideas on what Lambert was writing in his notebook? I think it was a satirical cartoon of a certain religious icon.
That's what I've told Al Jazeera anyway.
I hope you've fast tracked it, emailed and a follow up phone call to make sure the message has arrived.
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This team should not be shit, thats my problem, they should be easily good enough to be comfortable. That might bring the odd silly defeat, the odd brilliant win but overall generally ok.
We're not though we are terrible to watch, maybe hard to beat but above all boring and toothless.
This has to be Lambert's fault. He's made us solid at last but that's taken 3 years, I can not wait 3 years for us to to crack the object of scoring.
He has to go now.
This
I would only disagree with the solid part.
I think we are more solid, but we are still too easily beaten.
Other than that, I think you are spot on.
I really,really think we could go down this season,
The table has suddenly become very condensed and 3 (probable) defeats coming up could see us in the bottom 3.
It may then be too late to do anything about it.
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Yet another shameful showing on the pitch, followed by an equally embarrassing performance from the two short planks man in charge.
He can give it all the 'new playing style', 'dominated possession' and 'hard work' bollocks he wants. I'm not an idiot, and I doubt a champions league winning professional footballer is either.
We both know it's goals, a by product of shots and creativity that win matches.
So man up Paul, admit you've run out of ideas, negotiate a pay off, move aside and let someone else have a go before you do damage that will take years to put right.
And as for Mr Lerner, please open your eyes. There is no loyalty in football. You have to act now, before its too late.
Wonderfully summed up as usual, Mr Woo.
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It its allowed to go on much longer then the abuse Lambert is getting will start to get personel - which should never be the case. He needs to go for his own sake us much as for the clubs
He looks like a lost little boy. A rabbit caught in the headlights.
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Any ideas on what Lambert was writing in his notebook?
"Mommy!"
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I do not think he will be sacked, and I do not know who we can realistically attract. I still want him gone, though, his record is appalling, truly shocking. It is his team now, after 2 1/2 years, there are no more excuses. I cannot see where the goals should come from playing like this. Agbonlahor, Weimann, N'Zogbia, Cleverley, and Richardson, they are just so poor. What a new manager could do, of course, is show some tactical awareness. The total lack of movement upfront is shocking and seeing the midfield constantly passing it sideways and back, I cannot see how we are going to stop this poor run.
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Just got back and I'm now convinced that we can't stay up whilst Lambert remains manager. Ok we've got 22 points but with regaining the ability to score goals clearly being beyond Lambert's meagre capabilities, we'll soon start to slide.
I'm so angry with those who still support him ( I think the several fights today were about that). Frankly I think those that do support him are either perverse wind up merchants like Westley or dangerous lunatics.
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Today's results have dropped us right in the shit. Look at the passion palace just showed then. I'd give anything for half of that.
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Just back from the game . That was absolutely abysmal. Clues tactics and players going through the fucking motions. Even the defending was shocking. Although this against the team bottom of the league.
A 0-4 loss would not have been an injustice.
Fighting in the away end again , even Villa bitch (for those who know her off twitter) was chucked out.
All in all disgraceful.
Lerner where the fuck are you ?
Lambert Out !!!
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Sunderland the 2nd lowest scorers in the premier league are a long way ahead on 18, we are seriously shit and in massive trouble.
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Any ideas on what Lambert was writing in his notebook?
Hoof it.
Don't hoof it.
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Palace win. Villa are in the deepest doodoo.
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The support was positive today until they scored then it turned nasty almost instantly
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The bloke I bumped into in Chelmsford in november who told me Lambert was doing well..... Where are you now?
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Fuck off to Syria Lambert!
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Couldn't agree more with what most have been saying to lose to the bottom place side who look every bit a Championship team, on the back of droping home points to Palace and Sunderland and barely scrapping through in the cup against the Championships bottom club, plus the fact that we have only scored once in those four matches paints the full picuture. This season is in danger of following last seasons pattern where we look solid for most of the first half and seem set for midtable, but then just get in a comfort zone where we are just set up to try and not lose games. He is not even playing his best team half the time. He can't motivate the players. His tactics are clueless, his subs make no sense. I don't think we will go down this year, but if we don't make a change soon we are taking a chance of just that happening.
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Today reminded me of Nobember 2012 away at Spurs. We could have been playing now and wouldn't have created a chance, let alone score. He should have been sacked in May. If he sees his contact out, then we will have suffered 8 years of diabolical football.
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What was he thinking taking Sanchez off for Richardson?
Clueless
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Fuck off to Syria Lambert!
Can we please have less of this.
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What was he thinking taking Sanchez off for Richardson?
Clueless
He's trying to look like he's doing something.
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So Lambert says we must do better in the final third? Playing 4-5-1 against the bottom club is never going to create chances. Westwood and Cleverley in the same midfield, no. Bringing CNZ on with 2 mins to go, wtf?
Clueless. Lambert is Lerner's fall guy hence the new contract, they both need to step aside. We could certainly be bottom 3 after the next 3 games.
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Why we persist with three similar players strung out in a line I have no idea. How Gabby gets picked, I have no idea. How Weimann gets picked to come on, I have no idea.
This lack of an idea must be what it's like to be Lambert.
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That was a dire sub which just shows you how bad things have gotten under him.
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Roberto Di Matteo to come in and save us.
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If Lerner doesnt make the right decision now, we are in grave danger of being relegated. The football is dire and the manager has had enough chances. 11 goals in 21 games, it is beyond a joke. I dont expect too much, but this squad should be performing at a higher level than this. The players need to shoulder some of the blame as well, but Lambert has to accept this is not good enough and Tom Fox or whoever needs to act now
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24 goals in our last 38 games and 13 of them came in 4 games, West Brom, Norwich and Hull x2. That leaves 11 goals in the other 34 games, truly appalling the team is that bad.
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Any ideas on what Lambert was writing in his notebook? I think it was a satirical cartoon of a certain religious icon.
That's what I've told Al Jazeera anyway.
What a crass , inopportune comment that is
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Any ideas on what Lambert was writing in his notebook? I think it was a satirical cartoon of a certain religious icon.
That's what I've told Al Jazeera anyway.
What a crass , inopportune comment that is
Yep not great.
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The good news is that one day in the future Paul Lambert will not be manager of our great club. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon (with apologies to Humphrey Bogart).
When that day comes I do wonder whether whispers will then start to emerge from behind the scenes about baffling tactics, poor man-management, unmotivated players. I struggle to believe that the players genuinely want to play for him. There is a nucleus of a competent side - not a great one, not even a good one - but good enough to collect sufficient points to avoid relegation and provide the supporters with one or two enjoyable games and a few goals.
However, with Lambert in charge I see nothing else but continued struggles, abject football and relegation. Never mind the lack of money and reducing the wage bill - he should still be able to motivate players and organize them into an effective footballing unit. This he has failed to do consistently. A further irony is that one of his better performers this year is a player he marginalized for two years and who he would have discarded long ago.
Paul, you've been on borrowed time for at least 12 months. Please show some dignity and offer your resignation to allow someone else the honour and privilege of reviving our club.
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Percys comment was gallows humour at its best.
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Percys comment was gallows humour at its best.
At its worst maybe, but uncalled for.
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Gallows humour is all we've got left.
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He's got to go. That today was pure cowardice. To not threaten a team with one win in 15 was more than tactical inability. That bloke can't motivate the team any more, and they don't have a fucking clue hiw to break teams down. Do us all a favour mate and resign.
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He's got to go. That today was pure cowardice. To not threaten a team with one win in 15 was more than tactical inability. That bloke can't motivate the team any more, and they don't have a fucking clue how to break teams down. Do us all a favour mate and resign.
Hear, hear.
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Did anyone else think the policing was a bit OTT today ?
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Whether we hoof it up front, surrender possession and defend for our lives, whether we hold onto possession and pass it harmlessly from side to side and never bother the opposition, whatever tactic we use, Lambert fails.
Do the decent thing and resign.
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Did anyone else think the policing was a bit OTT today ?
A mate of mine of arrested for swearing.
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Really very noticeable again today that Lambert barely got off his arse for the 90 minutes, just sat there, impassively wedged in his faux car seat.
I also wonder, how come he hasn't appointed an assistant yet.
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Did anyone else think the policing was a bit OTT today ?
A mate of mine of arrested for swearing.
Well, you can be a very frustrating man, s_h, so that does sound a bit harsh.
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Really very noticeable again today that Lambert barely got off his arse for the 90 minutes, just sat there, impassively wedged in his faux car seat.
I also wonder, how come he hasn't appointed an assistant yet.
Probably can't find anyone who will work with him
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Really very noticeable again today that Lambert barely got off his arse for the 90 minutes, just sat there, impassively wedged in his faux car seat.
I also wonder, how come he hasn't appointed an assistant yet.
Because he doesn't want anyone querying the obvious mistakes he makes and doesn't have to justify himself to anyone right now, it's easy street at its easiest. If he does get an assistant it will be a nobody that is glad of the opportunity or a mate.
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Only Hutton and another player went over to the fans, the rest fucked off straight down the tunnel.
In fairness to the players who didn't go over to the fans, plenty of us had already fecked off ourselves.
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Really very noticeable again today that Lambert barely got off his arse for the 90 minutes, just sat there, impassively wedged in his faux car seat.
I also wonder, how come he hasn't appointed an assistant yet.
I find it astonishing that this situation has been allowed to exist at a PL football club.
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According to the Beeb we had 1 shot on target against the side bottom of the league.
For a shot to be "on target", how close does it have to be to the goal. There as a shot blocked and one saved within a minute at one point.
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Only Hutton and another player went over to the fans, the rest fucked off straight down the tunnel.
In fairness to the players who didn't go over to the fans, plenty of us had already fecked off ourselves.
True , they were flooding out on 85 when I left . Missed the red cards
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Really very noticeable again today that Lambert barely got off his arse for the 90 minutes, just sat there, impassively wedged in his faux car seat.
I also wonder, how come he hasn't appointed an assistant yet.
Because he doesn't want anyone querying the obvious mistakes he makes and doesn't have to justify himself to anyone right now, it's easy street at its easiest. If he does get an assistant it will be a nobody that is glad of the opportunity or a mate.
I think what was alluded to in a previous post. He can't be sacked as there is no number 2 to step up. Clever move by the useless git
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Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea next...who thinks he will see them through?
If he doesn't I don't have any faith in Lerner appointing anyone better with his track record...catch 22.
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According to the Beeb we had 1 shot on target against the side bottom of the league.
For a shot to be "on target", how close does it have to be to the goal. There as a shot blocked and one saved within a minute at one point.
Generally blocked outside the 6yard box isn't counted as on target by most stats sites.
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Did anyone else think the policing was a bit OTT today ?
I didn't see anything OTT, inside or out of the ground. Are you referring to anything specific?
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My nephew in Hong Kong thinks the Foxes are wonderful cos they came to his school to do training sessions 2-3 years ago..What can I say to him? My brother is in bits tonight! Where did we go wrong?
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Any ideas on what Lambert was writing in his notebook? I think it was a satirical cartoon of a certain religious icon.
That's what I've told Al Jazeera anyway.
What a crass , inopportune comment that is
Apologies.
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Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea next...who thinks he will see them through?
If he doesn't I don't have any faith in Lerner appointing anyone better with his track record...catch 22.
I think we'll score one goal in those three games, which will take us to 2 goals scored in 9 matches, and lose all of them.
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Really very noticeable again today that Lambert barely got off his arse for the 90 minutes, just sat there, impassively wedged in his faux car seat.
I also wonder, how come he hasn't appointed an assistant yet.
Another unfathomable decision. He was at pains to point out what a great job Roy Keane did. So great, that he hasn't even bothered replacing him.
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According to the Beeb we had 1 shot on target against the side bottom of the league.
For a shot to be "on target", how close does it have to be to the goal. There as a shot blocked and one saved within a minute at one point.
Generally blocked outside the 6yard box isn't counted as on target by most stats sites.
I don't recall their goalie making a single save.
Guzan, on the other hand made a number of fine ones, he needed to.
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According to the Beeb we had 1 shot on target against the side bottom of the league.
For a shot to be "on target", how close does it have to be to the goal. There as a shot blocked and one saved within a minute at one point.
A shot to be on target: (In Lambert's eyes) a forward pass with an outfield player moving in the general direction of the goal, preferably entering the 18yard box.
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I was going to post straight after the game but thought better of it as I was so p***** off with the performance. I went shopping instead to cool down a bit.
The club is just going through the motions and that is clearly reflected in the performance of the players. They are like a bunch of lads playing for a Sunday league side who turn up every week for a game so that they can go to the pub after (in our players case, pick up their wages). There was not one spark of enthusiasm from a player today. They look to be the least motivated team in the PL and that has to be down to the management of the club and the management of the team.
The owner has lost interest and that has spread downwards. Why else do we not have an assistant manager and a group of coaches that a PL club should have.
Finally, the manager. Somebody beat me to the comment I was going to make. He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights. He looks as though he doesn't know which way to turn. From TV you cannot see what he is doing all of the time but he didn't seem to move from his seat all game and has been like that for some time ........ since our new way of playing. Somebody else said it earlier, it appears as though the method of playing could be a big 2 fingers to the supporters but surely not. Perhaps Lambert has lost his motivation for the job, seeing as though Lerner has lost interest.
Again, I agree with somebody earlier who said that our players are not technically good enough to play this type of football. Our fullbacks are not good enough going forward to play this type of football. The midfield and forwards do not help them out either by making runs off the ball or come short for the ball.
Lambert's comment about not being good enough in the final third is rubbish. They were not good enough in Leicester's half, full stop. We rarely got into the final third to be not good enough there. I am all for not laying into your players every week in interviews so as not to knock confidence but to constantly come out with what he does when it is clearly not the case, is an insult to the intelligence of the majority of the supporters.
I am sorry for Clark as I thought he had a good game. Okore improved after a very nervous 1st half, Guzan made some very good saves but his playing/throwing the ball out is suicidal at times (too many times), Westwood was tidy but nothing more and as for the rest, very poor.
Lambert has to go, not because I do not think he is good enough (he showed that before he came here) but because he has totally lost the plot and that is dangerous for the club. No doubt he is very proud and wants to try his best but for his own good and the good of the club, he should resign. I would be very surprised if Lerner will sack him because he is afraid that he will have to try and encourage another manager to come in and will have to use an adviser to search for a manager as he does not have an understanding of the game to make his own choice.
We are a rudderless ship, taking on water an with an engine that has cut out.
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According to the Beeb we had 1 shot on target against the side bottom of the league.
For a shot to be "on target", how close does it have to be to the goal. There as a shot blocked and one saved within a minute at one point.
Generally blocked outside the 6yard box isn't counted as on target by most stats sites.
So, a shot that's on target but blocked by a defender outside the 6 yard box is not on target but a shot that's saved by the keeper outside the 6 yard box (eg when closing down an attacker during a one-on-one) would be a shot on target ?
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Roberto Di Matteo to come in and save us.
I doubt he would leave Schalke and a Champions league game v Real Madrid for us!
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Did anyone else think the policing was a bit OTT today ?
I didn't see anything OTT, inside or out of the ground. Are you referring to anything specific?
There was a ruck at a pub in the city centre and 5 Villa fans arrested. Apparently happened at 3.30 so guessing it was ticketless or banned 'lads'. Usually is trouble when we play Leicester hence heavy policing.
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Any ideas on what Lambert was writing in his notebook? I think it was a satirical cartoon of a certain religious icon.
That's what I've told Al Jazeera anyway.
What a crass , inopportune comment that is
Apologies.
No worries
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Did anyone else think the policing was a bit OTT today ?
I didn't see anything OTT, inside or out of the ground. Are you referring to anything specific?
On saffron lane pre match a meat wagon opened up and the OB piled out with 4ft wooden sticks , haven't seen that sort of thing since the 80's
Then they were pretty heavy handed in the ground I saw a couple of evictions and one was a woman being turfed out !
Then I noticed them filming the villa fans . Perhaps that's standard practice , perhaps they were looking for someone . Anyway I felt it was a bit OTT
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even Villa bitch (for those who know her off twitter) was chucked out.
Villa bitch? Is this our own version of Sticky Vicky?
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even Villa bitch (for those who know her off twitter) was chucked out.
Villa bitch? Is this our own version of Sticky Vicky?
That's her own self titled name
Even has it on the back of her villa shirt
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I just don't think there's anyone left at the club capable of making good decisions. Except maybe Delph.
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The only argument I have is we have only lost 4 in 13 games. Three 1 nils and one 2-1. That's not a bad record really...
Of course the major points are we're not creating so not scoring....but who know's if Lerner opens the chequebook and Lambert can get it right in bringing in the right 2 creative players we need then things might change.
I'm just trying to be positive in before someone slams me.
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even Villa bitch (for those who know her off twitter) was chucked out.
Villa bitch? Is this our own version of Sticky Vicky?
That's her own self titled name
Even has it on the back of her villa shirt
She sounds appalling.
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Did anyone else think the policing was a bit OTT today ?
I didn't see anything OTT, inside or out of the ground. Are you referring to anything specific?
On saffron lane pre match a meat wagon opened up and the OB piled out with 4ft wooden sticks , haven't seen that sort of thing since the 80's
Then they were pretty heavy handed in the ground I saw a couple of evictions and one was a woman being turfed out !
Then I noticed them filming the villa fans . Perhaps that's standard practice , perhaps they were looking for someone . Anyway I felt it was a bit OTT
We're filmed at every away game. CCTV pointed at away fans and hand held cameras by the coppers. Nothing unusual in police doing that.
I wish that the stewards/police had made their way the the back of the stand (I was in NN) and chucked out the bloke behind me who couldn't string five words together without two of them bring "fecking cnut".
I don't mind swearing but it needs to be done with some variations in vocabulary.
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The last time I saw that level of fighting among our fans was up the back of the Holte when were on our way down to the 3rd division. Back then though after the coppers hald waded in and gone off with a handful of likely lads we would regroup and sing "If Villa are going down, we'll all go down together".
The ineffably ghastly LernerLambo symbiosis and their absurd and relentless experimentation have reduced us to this abject state. I join the ranks of those who have given up. Life is too short. Roll on the cricket season.
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Dress it up how you like. We can't score and we lose a lot more than we win. It's time to go, Mr Lambert.
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Really very noticeable again today that Lambert barely got off his arse for the 90 minutes, just sat there, impassively wedged in his faux car seat.
Similar to the end of TSMs time, when he said he couldn't get out of his seat at West Brom because he was blocked in! It's a dead giveaway, he has run out of ideas, he knows he is a dead man walking.
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Roberto Di Matteo to come in and save us.
I doubt he would leave Schalke and a Champions league game v Real Madrid for us!
He also isnt that good either
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even Villa bitch (for those who know her off twitter) was chucked out.
Villa bitch? Is this our own version of Sticky Vicky?
That's her own self titled name
Even has it on the back of her villa shirt
She sounds appalling.
Hmmm. Yeah.
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According to the Beeb we had 1 shot on target against the side bottom of the league.
For a shot to be "on target", how close does it have to be to the goal. There as a shot blocked and one saved within a minute at one point.
Generally blocked outside the 6yard box isn't counted as on target by most stats sites.
So, a shot that's on target but blocked by a defender outside the 6 yard box is not on target but a shot that's saved by the keeper outside the 6 yard box (eg when closing down an attacker during a one-on-one) would be a shot on target ?
yep, it's an inexact definition but they'll mark it as blocked, on target or off target and the 3 are considered exclusive. Blocked shots are only a 'stat' for defenders; keepers are judged by saves which don't have the same exclusivity (shots off target can be recorded as saves).
The one on target was the Benteke one that took a massive deflection and bobbled to the keeper.
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A disappointing performance and result. Hope there is more creativity to come in final third within the next round of matches.
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A disappointing performance and result. Hope there is more creativity to come in final third within the next round of matches.
We have to get in to the final third first.
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Gabby's performance today was probably the worst I've ever seen from him. Truly abysmal.
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Gabby's performance today was probably the worst I've ever seen from him. Truly abysmal.
And, wearing the captains armband no less.
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I was pissed granted but I don't even recall Gabby playing
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A disappointing performance and result. Hope there is more creativity to come in final third within the next round of matches.
Understatement of the week
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I was pissed granted but I don't even recall Gabby playing
He was the villa player running into the defenders and giving the ball away.
As opposed to the villa players just giving the ball away.
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PremierLeague Aston Villa 2014/15 goalscoring record:
1-0-2-1-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-1-1-1-2-0-1-0-0-0-0
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I think Gabby wants Lambert gone as much as the rest of us.
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I think Gabby wants Lambert gone as much as the rest of us.
He didn't seem any keener on Houllier or McLeish in that case.
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I don't know why, I can't think of many other managers that would keep starting him.
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even Villa bitch (for those who know her off twitter) was chucked out.
Villa bitch? Is this our own version of Sticky Vicky?
That's her own self titled name
Even has it on the back of her villa shirt
Classy lady.
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Gabby's performance today was probably the worst I've ever seen from him. Truly abysmal.
I have to disagree with that, he was just as bad last week!! I do agree however that his inclusion in the side defies belief, complete lack of interest allied to a lack of a football brain, however he doesn't pick the team and if the person doing so was in any way capable of doing his job he wouldn't be playing. The fact that he is captain sums up where we are and probably where we are going!
Today was a dreadful experience, the football was bad enough but when our fans start fighting each other it really does highlight how bad things are.
I am convinced that we will go down this time and until Lerner goes nothing will improve, we have only had backwards momentum now for five seasons and without wholesale changes the outcome is inevitable.
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even Villa bitch (for those who know her off twitter) was chucked out.
Villa bitch? Is this our own version of Sticky Vicky?
That's her own self titled name
Even has it on the back of her villa shirt
Classy lady.
She had a season ticket near us a couple of years ago and seemed constantly pissed and was bloody annoying.
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PremierLeague Aston Villa 2014/15 goalscoring record:
1-0-2-1-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-1-1-1-2-0-1-0-0-0-0
And we've still got the same manager
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I don't think the players, fans or management have the heart for another relegation battle this year. That's what normally happens, it wears you down and eventually the inevitable happens.
There doesn't look much fight in the team and the manager looks even less animated than usual.
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even Villa bitch (for those who know her off twitter) was chucked out.
Villa bitch? Is this our own version of Sticky Vicky?
That's her own self titled name
Even has it on the back of her villa shirt
Classy lady.
Yeah. She tweets some very "classy" picks of her anatomy.
Anyway, last seen being frog marched out the away end by Leicestershires Finest .
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3 red cards in the premier league since our last premier league goal
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Meat pie sausage roll.
Come on Villa.
Put Lambert on the dole.
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Not long got back (via a local watering hole or two). I'm not sure how many more times we can put up with coming away from games commenting on how bad we were. It's got to stop.
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Any ideas on what Lambert was writing in his notebook? I think it was a satirical cartoon of a certain religious icon.
That's what I've told Al Jazeera anyway.
What a crass , inopportune comment that is
Apologies.
No worries
It was an obvious attempt at humour which some people would appreciate, particularly today. When isn't humour either crass or potentially offensive to someone? What I tend to do is man up a bit and accept that I can't possibly share a harmonious view with everyone I come into contact with. I seldom make a point of bringing someone to task especially when it is abundantly clear their comments are without malice. Credit to you Percy for being so magnanimous.
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even Villa bitch (for those who know her off twitter) was chucked out.
Villa bitch? Is this our own version of Sticky Vicky?
That's her own self titled name
Even has it on the back of her villa shirt
I saw her getting carted out, she's usually arguing with her fella. Some lads got sent back on the train (where they actually went I don't know) despite having tickets so were obviously spotted upon arrival.
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Had a lovely hot dog outside the ground today , that was probably the highlight of the afternoon which says it all . Also, the Leicester programme is a very good one . Full credit to them.
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Missed it. Good game?
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I don't know why, I can't think of many other managers that would keep starting him out of position.
Fixed.
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A couple of mates of mine were singing 'Lambert Out' just as the half time whistle went. Some chap clocked them and came up to us and tried to explain that it was all Paul Faulkner's fault. I tried to keep a straight face, he didn't have a clue what he was on about. I saw him again downstairs after the game standing on his own looking totally bewildered.
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Had a lovely hot dog outside the ground today , that was probably the highlight of the afternoon which says it all . Also, the Leicester programme is a very good one . Full credit to them.
Sounds like you had a nice day. I thought it was utter D.ogshit from beginning to end.
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Had a lovely hot dog outside the ground today , that was probably the highlight of the afternoon which says it all . Also, the Leicester programme is a very good one . Full credit to them.
Sounds like you had a nice day. I thought it was utter D.ogshit from beginning to end.
The Match was Des . Best bits were before and after as usual .
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Missed it. Good game?
Good in the fact it could quite easily have been 6-0.
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Groundhog Day performance and Lambert will still keep his job, just incredible. They will deserve everything they get at seasons end.
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A couple of mates of mine were singing 'Lambert Out' just as the half time whistle went. Some chap clocked them and came up to us and tried to explain that it was all Paul Faulkner's fault. I tried to keep a straight face, he didn't have a clue what he was on about. I saw him again downstairs after the game standing on his own looking totally bewildered.
Nice to hear Randy is getting to the odd game again, though.
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Missed it. Good game?
Good in the fact it could quite easily have been 6-0.
I don't know if i'd stretch to 6, but absolutely no doubt, if that had finished 4-0 we'd have had no grounds for complaint.
We were pathetic. Just pathetic.
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Yes we did have lots of possession. (more than in August, September, October & November) yet the problem still remains. He is expecting very POOR fullbacks to provide width when they have their hands full defending.
It beggars belief that since Gray, Withe, Dublin, & Carew we get a 'proper' centre forward in Benteke yet he sticks to his narrow defensive belief.
Lambert got away with it at Norwich - coming through 2 divisions playing 'his' system he would no doubt have surprised each division with his style of football and the momentum he developed.
He has failed. There is no disgrace in failure if you accept what you are doing is wrong and take the right course of action.
Sadly the use of an outright winger is against his belief and his negative outlook.
There is only one other choice but to resign and lose a payout.
In his shoes what would you do? Take the abuse and relegation and hope you can promote us - or resign?
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We still need 18 points and are running out of winnable games.
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We still need 18 points and are running out of winnable games.
The scary thing is that as far as we're concerned, there are no winnable games.
Last three games - Palace and Sunderland at home, Leicester away.
if we are going to talk about games being "winnable", those have got to be three of them.
We've won none, taken two points, and not scored a single goal in those three games.
Pathetic.
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Lambert will not walk away from £50k a week landing in his account. Would any of us ?
I'd probably sit in the dugout motionless with the iPod on and see how long I can get away with it.
What's the Saying ? While the cats away ?
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What's worrying is that we're not creating chances. I honestly can't remember their keeper making a save today.
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What's worrying is that we're not creating chances. I honestly can't remember their keeper making a save today.
He didn't .
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MOTD couldn't be bothered to show Benteke's disallowed goal then! Goes against Lineker's script. The tosser.
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Well that looked like a battering in the highlights. Always liked Albrighton and in the highlights he looked pretty threatening, pointless him staying with us as Lambert doesn't play wingers but that is the service Benteke is crying out for.
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We still need 18 points and are running out of winnable games.
The scary thing is that as far as we're concerned, there are no winnable games.
Last three games - Palace and Sunderland at home, Leicester away.
if we are going to talk about games being "winnable", those have got to be three of them.
We've won none, taken two points, and not scored a single goal in those three games.
Pathetic.
Oh fully agree. If we don't change to a proper manager this week I think we are down .
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Get out lambert now, right now - we will go down with that man. No excuses just get out and wash the place out with your stink. Burnley look like world beaters with worse players - nuff said.
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Just watched the highlights on MOTD, I don't think I even caught a glimpse of Agbonlahor. We looked abysmal, unless of course it was biased editing.
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Just leave now. You're a shot manager. Worse I have known down the villa and that includes McNeil, Venglos and Mcleish
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Missed it. Good game?
Good in the fact it could quite easily have been 6-0.
I don't know if i'd stretch to 6, but absolutely no doubt, if that had finished 4-0 we'd have had no grounds for complaint.
We were pathetic. Just pathetic.
Hutton got off very lucky for a penalty.. I could go on but they stuck the life out of you. Crazy thing is, I really thought we'd smash them today. How wrong could I be.
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Liverpool will get the backlash.
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Missed it. Good game?
Good in the fact it could quite easily have been 6-0.
I don't know if i'd stretch to 6, but absolutely no doubt, if that had finished 4-0 we'd have had no grounds for complaint.
We were pathetic. Just pathetic.
Hutton got off very lucky for a penalty.. I could go on but they stuck the life out of you. Crazy thing is, I really thought we'd smash them today. How wrong could I be.
I can't believe you thought we'd be capable of "smashing" (ie lots of goals) anyone.
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Equally , I looked at that little run we had - palace , Sunderland , Leicester and thought someone will "get it". How pathetic it has been.
Now worried. We appear to be getting worse not Better.
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Missed it. Good game?
Good in the fact it could quite easily have been 6-0.
I don't know if i'd stretch to 6, but absolutely no doubt, if that had finished 4-0 we'd have had no grounds for complaint.
We were pathetic. Just pathetic.
Hutton got off very lucky for a penalty.. I could go on but they stuck the life out of you. Crazy thing is, I really thought we'd smash them today. How wrong could I be.
I can't believe you thought we'd be capable of "smashing" (ie lots of goals) anyone.
I thought that probability says Mr Shin has to get it right eventually. ;)
Strange thing is, today I wasn't even pissed off. It's become all so predictable and has been on the cards for way over a year.
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Missed it. Good game?
Good in the fact it could quite easily have been 6-0.
I don't know if i'd stretch to 6, but absolutely no doubt, if that had finished 4-0 we'd have had no grounds for complaint.
We were pathetic. Just pathetic.
Hutton got off very lucky for a penalty.. I could go on but they stuck the life out of you. Crazy thing is, I really thought we'd smash them today. How wrong could I be.
I can't think of one team I'd be confident of us smashing. In any of the top four leagues. And probably a few others besides
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Just leave now. You're a shot manager. Worse I have known down the villa and that includes McNeil, Venglos and Mcleish
Absolutely. He is now by some margin the worst ever
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Just leave now. You're a shot manager. Worse I have known down the villa and that includes McNeil, Venglos and Mcleish
Absolutely. He is now by some margin the worst ever
Worst so far*
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Liverpool will get the backlash.
When you need a goal badly like balatelli needs
Whos the best team to play
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Liverpool will get the backlash.
2 shots on target?
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Gota hand it to Lambert last season he had me worried where the next win was coming from , now I'm worried where the next goal will come from.The guy is an expert in making things worse.
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He really looked like a manager that wants his boss to put him out of his misery, trouble is his boss is the idiot that gave him a four year contract, after watching overpaid players runnung their contract down we may be faced with the same with Lambert, God help us.
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If Burnley beat palace next sat , they will be above us
Were three points off 19th now
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We can't afford to fire him can we, we just extended the idiots contract. He won't resign..so I can only see him staying, and relegating us.
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Lambert relies on Benteke way too much. Listening to this clown now he must of said his name 3 or 4 times.
No mention of Gabby or Weimann.
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We have now failed to score in 12 out of 21 league games this season .When you take into account that in the other 9 games we have only scored more than once against Hull and Leicester both in the bottom three, the clueless idiot should be given his marching orders for that abysmal record alone.
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We can't afford to fire him can we, we just extended the idiots contract. He won't resign..so I can only see him staying, and relegating us.
He probably thought when Benteke came back so would the goals and to some extent so did i but the way he structures the side where we use full backs as wingers and pass the ball sideways and backwards it makes it vitually impossible to score, he's got to go or relegation.
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Well if that was as bad as it has been, my fear is that from here it will get worse. A number of points highlighted today the total mess the club is in.
Infighting will get us nowhere, if only the players had the passion of the fans.
Leadership within the club could not be shown better than today, Gabby as captain, when he should not be on the pitch, but not only on the pitch but on as a captain.
Pearson and this was before the incident at the end, having a go at Marshall, Mr. Clueless sat there looking like a scared school boy, did nothing to back his staff.
Lamberts after match comment that we need to get into the last third, no shit Sherlock, one stage today second half, Hutton down the wing, looks up wanting to put a cross in and this was not a lightning break either, not one Villa player in the box, Gabby dont know where, Benteke five yards outside the box up field looking like another winger, Hutton has to go backwards. I would love someone to get the stats , what do they call it, the heat map and see how many times apart from a dead ball we actually have players in the opposition box.
As stated a number of times, he sends out the team not to lose, when they go a goal behind they do not know what to do or where to go.
Next weeks game will be Lamberts Bolton, the atmosphere if we go behind will be poisonous, because as someone mentioned earlier, You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cant fool all the people all the time. Mr. Lerner time to take action and Mr. Lambert time to go, if not the shambles that is Aston Villa football club at the moment, is just going to get worse.
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Real danger of relegation this season. I can see us rotting until Lerner sells. A sorry situation.
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I was talking to a Coventry fan tonight. He was at the Albion game, he said that he doesn't understand it, said you got a great keeper, couple of good center halves, some good midfielder's (he was impressed with Sanchez) and Benteke, said the spine of the team is good so why are you struggling?...
Its the manager Fran I said.
I didn't see or hear any of the game yesterday but just watched motd and we didn't have a shot
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Liverpool will get the backlash.
Liverpool players will all go to Jamaica, easiest game they'll have this season
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Real danger of relegation this season. I can see us rotting until Lerner sells. A sorry situation.
Agreed. Take a look at Sheff Wed and there's your future...big club, big support, big ground, mixing it with the big boys, then a gradual slide until people forget all about them. In truth, the BBC have already forgotten all about us, we might aswell not exist. MOTD last night could barely be arsed to talk about us at all. We're ripe for being a major talking point with our lamentable recent record, red cards, supporters fighting in the stands over the clubs malaise etc but they didn't talk about it. Had that been Newcastle, West Ham and co they'd have devoted 10 minutes of forensics but you get the feeling that the BBC and the wider footballing public, would heave a collective sigh of relief were Villa to go down and join the dead men (Forest, Leeds, Sheff Wed etc). Well up yours delores. Ignore us all you like, we're not here to impress you anyway. I'm all for Villa adopting the Millwall motto of no-one likes us we don't care. Where once it irritated me that Villa were treated by the media like the embarrassing uncle, it now makes me even more determined that the footballing fraternity go to hell while our club rises from the ashes, not to prove them wrong, bollocks to them, but as the fans sang yesterday simply to give us 'our Villa back'. Whether the media choose to cover this resurgence is up to them, I couldn't care less, in fact I'd sooner we circled wagons and developed a siege mentality, they didn't want to cover us then so balls to them now. I used to be proud that Villa were many people's soft spot/2nd team, the club they didn't support but quite liked to see do well on the back of our great history, ground, following and even our colours. We're no-one's second team now, nobody wants anything to do with us but I couldn't care anymore, it's our club and I don't need supporters of other clubs patting us on the head, the media neither. I yearn for a revolution at Villa Park, similar to SGT when he walked in and described the place as a shambles before returning us to better days. We've given Lambert a 3 yr opportunity at this revolution and instead he's taken us backwards, if he had any decency he'd resign but his pride stands in the way so instead he needs the bullet, unfortunately the decision maker is sat in a mansion on another continent and probably couldn't tell you how to spell our name. I'm tired and emotional, we all are, will someone please let this nightmare end.
To summarise - fans to circle wagons, Lambert to depart, the media to get stuffed and a new manager to come in with a blueprint to save us from descending into the bowels of the Championship from where we may not return until our kids are grandparents. I'm off for a lie down and hopefully a Bobby Ewing style shower to follow where I discover this has all been a dream (and Victoria Principal is waiting for me to fall into her arms).
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A very good post, Russon. You've summed it up perfectly.
Couldn't believe that Lambert was still in his job this morning. I suspect he will be tomorrow morning as well, and the next ........
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Finally i agree with all those wanting Lambert out-it has gone too far. What I find amazing though is hardly anyone gives an alternative to Lambert. Whats the point in that. If some bloke at work comes up to me and says 'I dont think such and such and works but has no alternative idea, I just tell him to fuck off and try a bit of positive criticism.
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Finally i agree with all those wanting Lambert out-it has gone too far. What I find amazing though is hardly anyone gives an alternative to Lambert. Whats the point in that. If some bloke at work comes up to me and says 'I dont think such and such and works but has no alternative idea, I just tell him to fuck off and try a bit of positive criticism.
Do you have an alternative?
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My alternative would have been McClaren but he has already stated his intention to stay at Derby. Dyche would be good but would want a better club than ours with a totally disinterested owner. I think Eddie Howe could be good choice too but the most important thing is that the owner sells the job to the candidate. Thats where as a club we will fall down and why Lerner is so tolerant of Lambert.
Any other choices anyone?
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Calls for Eddie Howe ? That would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.
What we need is an experienced head , a no nonsense manager , someone who can shake the club down from top to bottom. Moyes and Pullis would have fitted the bill, we missed both chances in true Lerner style.
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Calls for Eddie Howe ? That would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.
What we need is an experienced head , a no nonsense manager , someone who can shake the club down from top to bottom. Moyes and Pullis would have fitted the bill, we missed both chances in true Lerner style.
Agreed but didnt mention those 2 as no chance of getting them now. Just goes to show from what you have just said that replacing him will be a hundred times more difficult than sacking him. It irks that the 2 you mentioned were available and have now gone. I cant think of an 'experienced head' around who fits the bill at the moment. i would at least have confidence in Howe getting us out of the championship - because that is here we are heading fast as some of the teams below us improve!
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I don't even recall the Leicester keeper barely touching the ball second half !
We didn't have a shot on target , that I know.
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I don't even recall the Leicester keeper barely touching the ball second half !
We didn't have a shot on target , that I know.
So if we sack Lambert, of those available who will change it for the club?
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Laudrop is good for a short time.
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If we go down under Lambert it will be with a complete whimper!
There are so many alternatives! You have the option of going for a young hungry manager like Howe or the guy at brentford etc! You also have the more experienced manager and there are many out there who could get more out of these players than lambert is ....... There are villa legends you could bring in who also would get a reaction!
To me this guy is a fraud and a clown jumping from one strategy to the next ala championship manager
He has to go
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The substitution of Sanchez for Richardson was another one of his bizarre moves. It didn't make any sense at all.
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Watching MotD thought Michael Oliver got the big decisions spot on, neither 'penalty' had anything in it, Ulloh was fannying around & the Hutton one, no penalties for air shots...the red card tackle was a straight red, horrible clumsy tackle (much like the one Vertonghen was not penalised for!) & Clark on a yellow had to get a second one for the reaction. What drugs Shearer is on to claim Okore was at fault for being hammered Lord only knows.
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Calls for Eddie Howe ? That would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.
What we need is an experienced head , a no nonsense manager , someone who can shake the club down from top to bottom. Moyes and Pullis would have fitted the bill, we missed both chances in true Lerner style.
I think we may already be in the fire. Eddie Howe might improve things. As things stand Don Howe could probably improve things!
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Laudrop is good for a short time.
Decent shout - I dont think Lerner would be as bothered about his 'league within leagues' comment as Jenkins was. Villa are in too much trouble to have principles at the moment!
As for Shearers comment s on MOTD - take no notice. Just a member of the clowns golf society!
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It's not the fans' job to find a new manager, I don't really get the idea that you can't complain and want a manager sacked unless you can suggest an alternative. It's just a way of shutting people up, IMO.
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It should not have surprised me considering the garbage the clueless one has us playing,but until it was pointed out to me last night,when we scored against Blackpool last week,it was the first time since the opening game at Stoke that we have actually scored in the second half of a match. Pathetic or what!
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I don't think the players, fans or management have the heart for another relegation battle this year. That's what normally happens, it wears you down and eventually the inevitable happens.
There doesn't look much fight in the team and the manager looks even less animated than usual.
Yes that is exactly correct. Teams get relegated in the end because the 3 components involved, team, manager and fans, lose the will. Experience in fighting relegation year after year is a burden rather than help. So a change is required to make one if not all 3 of these stand up and fight. Fans can not be changed for other fans however they can be changed by making a change in any of the other two elements. Team is difficult to change other than one or two transferred in but that's potluck. So that brings us to the only change that can be made and could be effective to address this situation. Fox needs to do his job NOW.
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Laudrop is good for a short time.
Decent shout - I dont think Lerner would be as bothered about his 'league within leagues' comment as Jenkins was. Villa are in too much trouble to have principles at the moment!
As for Shearers comment s on MOTD - take no notice. Just a member of the clowns golf society!
What did Shearer say? We should appoint him caretaker manager for the last game of the season. Surely law of averages says he can't be in charge of two relegations at Villa Park.
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Laudrop is good for a short time.
Yes. Calls for Eddie Howe etc are nonsense.
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What I really find disappointing is the attitude of our club captain, someone who i think has a sick sense when I manager is in trouble and realises that he can do bugger all and get away with it.
He was a disgrace during the Mcleish time as he knew no matter how bad he was and how little effort he put in it was never going to be his fault, as we had our hate figure, I got told by a club official Gabby booked a break in dubai after his sending off, could you imagine how annoyed he was when it was rescinded, who knows if true but I could well believe it. Playing on a Saturday is just a chore for him, being made to work by various assistants in training, well the cheek of it, don't they realise who he is.
Its almost as if Agbonlahor runs the place and calls the shots.
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It should not have surprised me considering the garbage the clueless one has us playing,but until it was pointed out to me last night,when we scored against Blackpool last week,it was the first time since the opening game at Stoke that we have actually scored in the second half of a match.
We scored against Leicester at home in the second half. We are still rubbish though.
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Eddie was shite at Burnley, I'd give him a wide berth for now. A young manager's reputation could be destroyed at Villa right now
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Gabby's performance today was probably the worst I've ever seen from him. Truly abysmal.
So long as he was smiling and joking with people that's all that matters to me.
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Nobody yet seems anti Laudrop though. Of all the suggestions made, he seems the most plausible in terms of record and actually being available.
This business on our second half goals shows the manager up too. He has no clue how to change things as the match progresses. It is so frustrating. Next weeks game v liverpool could be total poison
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Oops How on earth did i miss that Taylor, they have been so few and far between i should be able to have rememberd them all
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It's not the fans' job to find a new manager, I don't really get the idea that you can't complain and want a manager sacked unless you can suggest an alternative. It's just a way of shutting people up, IMO.
Agree totally, that has always puzzled me. It's not our job to come up with an alternative, there are any number of very well paid people at the club whose responsibility that is. That's like suggesting that those same people should sort out any of the poor management where we work. If you want the manager of your local NHS hospital sacked, you're allowed to say so without having to come up with a suggestion to replace him/her. So when is the twat leaving?
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"So when is the twat leaving" That Richard is what i and just about every Villa fan i know would love to know.Sadly no time soon it appears.
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One thing that did strike me from watching the highlights again was that yesterday was the first time I've seen the players not putting as much effort in as they have previously. I'm just wondering if he's starting to lose some support in the dressing room. Despite some of the shoddy performances, you always got the impression that the players have wanted to play for him. Yesterday, the effort and desire did'nt seem to be there for me.
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One thing that did strike me from watching the highlights again was that yesterday was the first time I've seen the players not putting as much effort in as they have previously. I'm just wondering if he's starting to lose some support in the dressing room. Despite some of the shoddy performances, you always got the impression that the players have wanted to play for him. Yesterday, the effort and desire did'nt seem to be there for me.
Lambert's body language just lately has been that of a defeated man. There's been no passion, he's just sat on the bench the whole time like McLeish did towards the end. He was asked about the fans' reactions in the interview and it was the same quotes that he always comes out with...'the fans pay their money blah blah...big football club blah blah'. Just the same tired garbage. He's supposed to be a leader who inspires, whether that be with the fans or the players. I can't see how he can possibly being doing either with his body language and template based responses.
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I have some sympathy with him. It's not working out, he doesn't seem to be able to turn it around, the players look like they don't want to play for him and he just looks beaten.
He's got to go for the good of everyone. Villa is still a big club, there must be managers out there that think they could take the job on.
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"So when is the twat leaving" That Richard is what i and just about every Villa fan i know would love to know.Sadly no time soon it appears.
Awful isn't it my friend. At least, everyone on here seems united at long last in just how awful this twat is! I take some sort of strange comfort and reassurance from that, it's good not be alone in one's misery
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I have some sympathy with him. It's not working out, he doesn't seem to be able to turn it around, the players look like they don't want to play for him and he just looks beaten.
He's got to go for the good of everyone. Villa is still a big club, there must be managers out there that think they could take the job on.
We'll always be a big club, but what ambitious manager would want the job when Lerner runs the club on a shoestring while trying to sell the club? A new owner could come in at any time with a manager of his own. That would put someone off taking over right now. It's an absolute mess.
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It's not the fans' job to find a new manager, I don't really get the idea that you can't complain and want a manager sacked unless you can suggest an alternative. It's just a way of shutting people up, IMO.
Agree totally, that has always puzzled me. It's not our job to come up with an alternative, there are any number of very well paid people at the club whose responsibility that is. That's like suggesting that those same people should sort out any of the poor management where we work. If you want the manager of your local NHS hospital sacked, you're allowed to say so without having to come up with a suggestion to replace him/her. So when is the twat leaving?
No, it isn't our job to find a new manager but neither is it our job to fire the current one. Yet everyone has an opininon on that.
Just as Lambert seems incapable of getting this team to play ay anything like a consistent enough level, so the owner appears incapable of making the right appointment. Sack him or keep him, I honestly don't see it making much difference other than by a complete fluke. It's all so completely underwhelming.
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13 home wins from 48 games , Lambert record ...awful
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BBC focus hammering Lambert . Good
Barton talking shit thou , a counter attack team ??
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Is Jol available ?
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I'm in a good mood so I'm not going to read this thread.
Anyone care to sum it up in a sentence for me?
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Summary
We were unlucky yesterday, we are on the right lines, we need to try and tie the manager down.
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Cuntflaps
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It's not the fans' job to find a new manager, I don't really get the idea that you can't complain and want a manager sacked unless you can suggest an alternative. It's just a way of shutting people up, IMO.
Agree totally, that has always puzzled me. It's not our job to come up with an alternative, there are any number of very well paid people at the club whose responsibility that is. That's like suggesting that those same people should sort out any of the poor management where we work. If you want the manager of your local NHS hospital sacked, you're allowed to say so without having to come up with a suggestion to replace him/her. So when is the twat leaving?
No, it isn't our job to find a new manager but neither is it our job to fire the current one. Yet everyone has an opininon on that.
Just as Lambert seems incapable of getting this team to play ay anything like a consistent enough level, so the owner appears incapable of making the right appointment. Sack him or keep him, I honestly don't see it making much difference other than by a complete fluke. It's all so completely underwhelming.
Sorry Chris but that's missing the most important thing that sacking him would do which is give the club a 'bounce'. Long term it might not solve anything but the fans, management and players are all utterly resigned to our fate and the only feasible way to jolt us out of that is a new manager and coaching team, something that gets the fans onside again and gets the players putting in a whole lot more effort than they are doing.
Even then a change of manager means we could have a complete fluke and get someone who just clicks and gets us on a run of decent results, no matter how small the chance of that happening is it's better than sticking with a guy who has repeatedly proven utterly incapable of getting us to have a run of form.
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Cuntflaps
Ah come on, that's not a proper sentence.
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Cuntflaps
Ah come on, that's not a proper sentence.
But it was a very concise summary
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I'm in a good mood so I'm not going to read this thread.
Anyone care to sum it up in a sentence for me?
Do not read unless you want to spoil your mood.
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One thing that did strike me from watching the highlights again was that yesterday was the first time I've seen the players not putting as much effort in as they have previously. I'm just wondering if he's starting to lose some support in the dressing room. Despite some of the shoddy performances, you always got the impression that the players have wanted to play for him. Yesterday, the effort and desire did'nt seem to be there for me.
Lambert's body language just lately has been that of a defeated man. There's been no passion, he's just sat on the bench the whole time like McLeish did towards the end. He was asked about the fans' reactions in the interview and it was the same quotes that he always comes out with...'the fans pay their money blah blah...big football club blah blah'. Just the same tired garbage. He's supposed to be a leader who inspires, whether that be with the fans or the players. I can't see how he can possibly being doing either with his body language and template based responses.
I wonder if he feels left out to dry by the ownership. There is no support for him, they may have promised him funds this month that haven't materialised. Maybe that would explain it?
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Any ideas on what Lambert was writing in his notebook? I think it was a satirical cartoon of a certain religious icon.
That's what I've told Al Jazeera anyway.
What a crass , inopportune comment that is
Apologies.
No worries
It was an obvious attempt at humour which some people would appreciate, particularly today. When isn't humour either crass or potentially offensive to someone? What I tend to do is man up a bit and accept that I can't possibly share a harmonious view with everyone I come into contact with. I seldom make a point of bringing someone to task especially when it is abundantly clear their comments are without malice. Credit to you Percy for being so magnanimous.
Cheers. I just wanted to convey how much Lambert is annoying me, but Alex's comment caused me to reflect and think maybe it was a bit flippant considering people died.
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Cuntflaps
Where?
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I think the meeting at the end of the season was to to make it clear what was required: club is up for sale, there will be minimal funds, need stability, main task retain league status and if he could do this, as well as following company line - he had job security.
I may have done something similar if I was in Randy's shoes.
I'd be worried about my investment now though.
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that might be true but still doesn't explain the gratuitous and monumentally silly decision to award a new four year contract after three games
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I think the meeting at the end of the season was to to make it clear what was required: club is up for sale, there will be minimal funds, need stability, main task retain league status and if he could do this, as well as following company line - he had job security.
I may have done something similar if I was in Randy's shoes.
I'd be worried about my investment now though.
Absolutely.
If Fox is doing his job properly, he'd be making sure Lerner is aware of his diminishing investment value. It's not too late now if a decision was made to let Lambert go, but who could they replace him with at short notice and who'd want the job?
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that might be true but still doesn't explain the gratuitous and monumentally silly decision to award a new four year contract after three games
I think that was done on acceptance of Lerner's terms - agreed before the season started
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It's not the fans' job to find a new manager, I don't really get the idea that you can't complain and want a manager sacked unless you can suggest an alternative. It's just a way of shutting people up, IMO.
Agree totally, that has always puzzled me. It's not our job to come up with an alternative, there are any number of very well paid people at the club whose responsibility that is. That's like suggesting that those same people should sort out any of the poor management where we work. If you want the manager of your local NHS hospital sacked, you're allowed to say so without having to come up with a suggestion to replace him/her. So when is the twat leaving?
No, it isn't our job to find a new manager but neither is it our job to fire the current one. Yet everyone has an opininon on that.
Just as Lambert seems incapable of getting this team to play ay anything like a consistent enough level, so the owner appears incapable of making the right appointment. Sack him or keep him, I honestly don't see it making much difference other than by a complete fluke. It's all so completely underwhelming.
Sorry Chris but that's missing the most important thing that sacking him would do which is give the club a 'bounce'. Long term it might not solve anything but the fans, management and players are all utterly resigned to our fate and the only feasible way to jolt us out of that is a new manager and coaching team, something that gets the fans onside again and gets the players putting in a whole lot more effort than they are doing.
Even then a change of manager means we could have a complete fluke and get someone who just clicks and gets us on a run of decent results, no matter how small the chance of that happening is it's better than sticking with a guy who has repeatedly proven utterly incapable of getting us to have a run of form.
You only have to look across the city to see the positive impact a new manager can have on a team. There is of course the risk that a new manager could make things worse (Solskjaer at Cardiff being an example), but I think we are fast approaching the point of having nothing to lose really.
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Fox just needs to make sure he maximises any potential sponsorship income, make the club run on a profit and allow the Manager to spend some of the profits, just like Ellis used to. Ellis was famous for not putting his own money in, Randy just needs to do the same, make the club run properly, nothing more, nothing less. That way, he can show as little interest as he wants and we know what we are gonna get. Unfortunately, the current Manager can't do his bit because Randy can't be bothered to do his. That said, I would like to start again with a new Manager and give the club a lift.
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It's not the fans' job to find a new manager, I don't really get the idea that you can't complain and want a manager sacked unless you can suggest an alternative. It's just a way of shutting people up, IMO.
Agree totally, that has always puzzled me. It's not our job to come up with an alternative, there are any number of very well paid people at the club whose responsibility that is. That's like suggesting that those same people should sort out any of the poor management where we work. If you want the manager of your local NHS hospital sacked, you're allowed to say so without having to come up with a suggestion to replace him/her. So when is the twat leaving?
No, it isn't our job to find a new manager but neither is it our job to fire the current one. Yet everyone has an opininon on that.
Just as Lambert seems incapable of getting this team to play ay anything like a consistent enough level, so the owner appears incapable of making the right appointment. Sack him or keep him, I honestly don't see it making much difference other than by a complete fluke. It's all so completely underwhelming.
Sorry Chris but that's missing the most important thing that sacking him would do which is give the club a 'bounce'. Long term it might not solve anything but the fans, management and players are all utterly resigned to our fate and the only feasible way to jolt us out of that is a new manager and coaching team, something that gets the fans onside again and gets the players putting in a whole lot more effort than they are doing.
Even then a change of manager means we could have a complete fluke and get someone who just clicks and gets us on a run of decent results, no matter how small the chance of that happening is it's better than sticking with a guy who has repeatedly proven utterly incapable of getting us to have a run of form.
I think for every short term bounce there are instances where bugger all changes. That approach means we could end up paying off Lambert and the short term replacement and the inevitable churn of players who no longer fit. There has been no consistency in our appointments which is symptomatic of no plan, if we don't approach things in a more structured way next time we are just doomed to more of the same.
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Chris, are you saying we should just plod along as we are and hopefully scrape by in the hope that there are 3 worse clubs than us at the end of the season?
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Fox just needs to make sure he maximises any potential sponsorship income, make the club run on a profit and allow the Manager to spend some of the profits, just like Ellis used to. Ellis was famous for not putting his own money in, Randy just needs to do the same, make the club run properly, nothing more, nothing less. That way, he can show as little interest as he wants and we know what we are gonna get. Unfortunately, the current Manager can't do his bit because Randy can't be bothered to do his. That said, I would like to start again with a new Manager and give the club a lift.
Years ago a club of Villa's size was an advantage due to the majority of money coming in through the turnstiles. Ellis could just sit back and use the economic advantage we had. TV has changed all of that making it almost a level playing field for 10 or 12 clubs. That is where you need some investment to make the difference and stay comfortably mid-table. That is if the club and team are managed well.
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Fox just needs to make sure he maximises any potential sponsorship income, make the club run on a profit and allow the Manager to spend some of the profits, just like Ellis used to. Ellis was famous for not putting his own money in, Randy just needs to do the same, make the club run properly, nothing more, nothing less. That way, he can show as little interest as he wants and we know what we are gonna get. Unfortunately, the current Manager can't do his bit because Randy can't be bothered to do his. That said, I would like to start again with a new Manager and give the club a lift.
Years ago a club of Villa's size was an advantage due to the majority of money coming in through the turnstiles. Ellis could just sit back and use the economic advantage we had. TV has changed all of that making it almost a level playing field for 10 or 12 clubs. That is where you need some investment to make the difference and stay comfortably mid-table. That is if the club and team are managed well.
Doug Ellis was around at the best time ever to be chairman of a club our size. You didn't really have to do anything; just keep ticking over, make sure nothing catastrophic happened and the money that was starting to flood into the game ensured that whatever you did on the pitch you could always point to some vast improvements off it, whether they be financial or stadium reconstruction. The extent to which he failed to build on our position is neither here nor there on this thread but I do remember talking to Mark Ansell at the time the Champions League in its current form was being established. He said that it was a wrong move because it would be bad to have the money distributed between four clubs, but the Premier League was fine because distributing it between twenty was a good thing. It was a very selfish attitude then, it still is now, but it was absolutely correct.
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Fox just needs to make sure he maximises any potential sponsorship income, make the club run on a profit and allow the Manager to spend some of the profits, just like Ellis used to. Ellis was famous for not putting his own money in, Randy just needs to do the same, make the club run properly, nothing more, nothing less. That way, he can show as little interest as he wants and we know what we are gonna get. Unfortunately, the current Manager can't do his bit because Randy can't be bothered to do his. That said, I would like to start again with a new Manager and give the club a lift.
Years ago a club of Villa's size was an advantage due to the majority of money coming in through the turnstiles. Ellis could just sit back and use the economic advantage we had. TV has changed all of that making it almost a level playing field for 10 or 12 clubs. That is where you need some investment to make the difference and stay comfortably mid-table. That is if the club and team are managed well.
Doug Ellis was around at the best time ever to be chairman of a club our size. You didn't really have to do anything; just keep ticking over, make sure nothing catastrophic happened and the money that was starting to flood into the game ensured that whatever you did on the pitch you could always point to some vast improvements off it, whether they be financial or stadium reconstruction. The extent to which he failed to build on our position is neither here nor there on this thread but I do remember talking to Mark Ansell at the time the Champions League in its current form was being established. He said that it was a wrong move because it would be bad to have the money distributed between four clubs, but the Premier League was fine because distributing it between twenty was a good thing. It was a very selfish attitude then, it still is now, but it was absolutely correct.
And then chuck in the financial fair play for fun
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It's not the fans' job to find a new manager, I don't really get the idea that you can't complain and want a manager sacked unless you can suggest an alternative. It's just a way of shutting people up, IMO.
Agree totally, that has always puzzled me. It's not our job to come up with an alternative, there are any number of very well paid people at the club whose responsibility that is. That's like suggesting that those same people should sort out any of the poor management where we work. If you want the manager of your local NHS hospital sacked, you're allowed to say so without having to come up with a suggestion to replace him/her. So when is the twat leaving?
No, it isn't our job to find a new manager but neither is it our job to fire the current one. Yet everyone has an opininon on that.
If I see a house on fire, it isn't my job to put it out, so I'll let the professionals who can deal with the situation know about it via a 999 call.
Everybody can see that the current manager has failed, but it's unreasonable to expect football fans to have detailed knowledge about who from the entire world of football may be available to replace him.
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Just as Lambert seems incapable of getting this team to play ay anything like a consistent enough level, so the owner appears incapable of making the right appointment. Sack him or keep him, I honestly don't see it making much difference other than by a complete fluke. It's all so completely underwhelming.
I know what you mean, but really, with Lambert, things have got some utterly desperately bad now - that goals scored stat is just absolutely shockingly bad - that we might at least get someone who can get something like the best out of the players we have, or get us scoring more than a goal every other game.
I needn't reel off the statistics, you see them in the sports press all the time, and we all know what they are, but things under Lambert are now so bad, that the gap between what he is delivering and what the squad (limited though it is) is capable of is pretty big, so big that even a blundering dimwit like Lerner could make an appointment decent enough to fill that gap.
Filling that gaping chasm alone would bring about a considerable upturn in spirits and, well, the fun to be had watching us.
I had my season ticket still in the McLeish year, but missed a lot of games for a number of reasons, one of which was that it had just got so depressing to watch week after week. I never thought it could get worse after that, but Lambert has genuinely managed that, and he's done so over a longer period of time.
I've just had enough of it.
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I would go further, possibly to the annoyance of some, but I think a manager as poor as Lambert has become, is worse than no manager at all. I think the players are so demoralized and confused and Lambert is so covertly panic stricken, Lambert has a negative effect on the players and the results.
When I was working for the Army at Aldershot there was a situation which became much quoted in management and military circles. The Army schools of physical training and of music were both in a shambles of ill discipline and under achievement. In a blind stroke of genius somebody decided to make the head of the PT school and the head of the music school switch jobs. The improvements were immediate and very impressive. Each organization wanted anybody to run it, just not the incumbent.
I believe our players are so demoralized by Lambert the results would improve dramatically with anybody else in charge. And as the old saying goes what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander the same probably applies to a change of ownership.
Aston Villa desperately needs the oxygen of change.
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I suppose you have to be careful for what you wish for, but there is a sense that almost anyone at this stage would be better than Lambert - that's pretty much my view, anyway.
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I heard the interview after the game, he sounded completely confused and desperate. It is obvious that he has no idea of how to fix this.
Almost any appointment would give the club a lift and give us a chance of safety.
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Any idea what he said?
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He banged on about 'the long ball game' not being his way. That was particularly strange as he's been trying to play it for the last two years.
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I think for every short term bounce there are instances where bugger all changes. That approach means we could end up paying off Lambert and the short term replacement and the inevitable churn of players who no longer fit. There has been no consistency in our appointments which is symptomatic of no plan, if we don't approach things in a more structured way next time we are just doomed to more of the same.
Whist that's often true the cases where there's no bump are generally when a squad is out of it's depth and the manager has genuinely been doing well until the last couple of months. We've been on a downward track for a long time now and you can see in the fans and players that it's just gone too far. That's why it's getting very close to the point of being no risk, it's already much more of a risk to keep him and hope for better than it is to replace him and that's just becoming clearer every week.
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Any idea what he said?
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And from the OS
Paul Lambert watched his team go down 1-0 away at Leicester and bemoaned a lack of clinical edge in the final third of the pitch.
Lambert was relatively happy with the possession and build-up play but accepted that his team need more creativity and invention going forward.
He said: "I thought the final third for us let us down.
"We never had enough in the final third. We had a lot of the ball but in the final third where it mattered we just didn't produce it.
"We have to put that right. We have to do better in the final third of the pitch.
"It's the last third of the pitch that is hurting us at the minute. We have to keep working hard and hopefully it will turn.
"You have just have to keep working hard, keep working hard at the training ground, keep everyone upbeat and keep the lads believing that it will come.
"As I said to them in the dressing room, the effort and commitment was there but you just need to be better in the final third.
"We need to find a way to get our good play goals."
Villa are currently 13th in the Barclays Premier League but Lambert is keen to stay away from the lower reaches of the table.
He continued: "You don't want to be down there. This is a massive football club.
"As I said to them in the dressing room, there are so many games to go and there will be so many twists and turns throughout the second half of the season.
"You just have to make sure you're away from all that."
Ciaran Clark was dismissed in the closing stages of the game at the King Power Stadium for a second booking while Foxes midfielder Matty James received a straight red for a late tackle on Jores Okore.
He added: "I saw the red card and I thought it was a red card.
"I don't know what Ciaran has been sent off for. Maybe the referee viewed it as a second yellow because Ciaran got involved. I don't know.
"I thought the tackle was pretty high."
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He's only lying to himself now.
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'We have to keep working hard and hopefully it'll turn'. Phew and I didn't think he had a plan on how to fix things.
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I think he thinks we need to get better in the final 3rd, brilliant observation.
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And from the OS
Paul Lambert watched his team go down 1-0 away at Leicester and bemoaned a lack of clinical edge in the final third of the pitch.
Lambert was relatively happy with the possession and build-up play but accepted that his team need more creativity and invention going forward.
He said: "I thought the final third for us let us down.
"We never had enough in the final third. We had a lot of the ball but in the final third where it mattered we just didn't produce it.
"We have to put that right. We have to do better in the final third of the pitch.
"It's the last third of the pitch that is hurting us at the minute. We have to keep working hard and hopefully it will turn.
"You have just have to keep working hard, keep working hard at the training ground, keep everyone upbeat and keep the lads believing that it will come.
"As I said to them in the dressing room, the effort and commitment was there but you just need to be better in the final third.
"We need to find a way to get our good play goals."
Villa are currently 13th in the Barclays Premier League but Lambert is keen to stay away from the lower reaches of the table.
He continued: "You don't want to be down there. This is a massive football club.
"As I said to them in the dressing room, there are so many games to go and there will be so many twists and turns throughout the second half of the season.
"You just have to make sure you're away from all that."
Ciaran Clark was dismissed in the closing stages of the game at the King Power Stadium for a second booking while Foxes midfielder Matty James received a straight red for a late tackle on Jores Okore.
He added: "I saw the red card and I thought it was a red card.
"I don't know what Ciaran has been sent off for. Maybe the referee viewed it as a second yellow because Ciaran got involved. I don't know.
"I thought the tackle was pretty high."
The one thing he does say quite a lot is 'You don't want to be down there, this is a massive football club'.
I've read that a few times now.
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One easy way of being in the attacking third more often is to get the offside rule into the heads of our "attacking" players. We go side to side and repeat then when midfield possession should lead to a ball through the opposition the defence simply steps up and Benteke/Gabby/Weimann is offside. The possession game is only as good as the breaks made from the possession. A player running at a defender has two chances to the defender's one. He can beat the defender or draw a foul. The defender can win the ball. Passing the ball across the pitch is to winning football is what chewing gum is to a healthy diet.
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Good point, bg.
Leicester's back 4 were playing us offside for fun yesterday. You would think our attackers were unaware that this is an often used defensive tactic.
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One easy way of being in the attacking third more often is to get the offside rule into the heads of our "attacking" players. We go side to side and repeat then when midfield possession should lead to a ball through the opposition the defence simply steps up and Benteke/Gabby/Weimann is offside. The possession game is only as good as the breaks made from the possession. A player running at a defender has two chances to the defender's one. He can beat the defender or draw a foul. The defender can win the ball. Passing the ball across the pitch is to winning football is what chewing gum is to a healthy diet.
It's also a symptom of the slowness of play; when the through ball comes it is telegraphed and the defence step up.
Against Blackpool I watched players make three curving runs in the first half which begged for an early ball, none came and they stopped doing it second half. Weimann to his credit tries this occasionally
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Honorable mention to villa werewolf who made an appearance at the KP yesterday .
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And from the OS
Paul Lambert watched his team go down 1-0 away at Leicester and bemoaned a lack of clinical edge in the final third of the pitch.
Lambert was relatively happy with the possession and build-up play but accepted that his team need more creativity and invention going forward.
He said: "I thought the final third for us let us down.
"We never had enough in the final third. We had a lot of the ball but in the final third where it mattered we just didn't produce it.
"We have to put that right. We have to do better in the final third of the pitch.
"It's the last third of the pitch that is hurting us at the minute. We have to keep working hard and hopefully it will turn.
"You have just have to keep working hard, keep working hard at the training ground, keep everyone upbeat and keep the lads believing that it will come.
"As I said to them in the dressing room, the effort and commitment was there but you just need to be better in the final third.
"We need to find a way to get our good play goals."
Villa are currently 13th in the Barclays Premier League but Lambert is keen to stay away from the lower reaches of the table.
He continued: "You don't want to be down there. This is a massive football club.
"As I said to them in the dressing room, there are so many games to go and there will be so many twists and turns throughout the second half of the season.
"You just have to make sure you're away from all that."
Ciaran Clark was dismissed in the closing stages of the game at the King Power Stadium for a second booking while Foxes midfielder Matty James received a straight red for a late tackle on Jores Okore.
He added: "I saw the red card and I thought it was a red card.
"I don't know what Ciaran has been sent off for. Maybe the referee viewed it as a second yellow because Ciaran got involved. I don't know.
"I thought the tackle was pretty high."
How about employing a coach who knows how to coach forward movement, no amount of hard work is going to help if you keep coaching the way you have for the last 2 1/2 years.
If we're stuck with him he needs to accept that the coaching isn't good enough and take urgent action to address it, simply saying they need to work hard and the goals will come is as patronising as it is ridiculous.
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I would go further, possibly to the annoyance of some, but I think a manager as poor as Lambert has become, is worse than no manager at all. I think the players are so demoralized and confused and Lambert is so covertly panic stricken, Lambert has a negative effect on the players and the results.
When I was working for the Army at Aldershot there was a situation which became much quoted in management and military circles. The Army schools of physical training and of music were both in a shambles of ill discipline and under achievement. In a blind stroke of genius somebody decided to make the head of the PT school and the head of the music school switch jobs. The improvements were immediate and very impressive. Each organization wanted anybody to run it, just not the incumbent.
I believe our players are so demoralized by Lambert the results would improve dramatically with anybody else in charge. And as the old saying goes what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander the same probably applies to a change of ownership.
Aston Villa desperately needs the oxygen of change.
Brian, that perfectly sums up how I feel about the situation. He's filp-flopped on so many policies he's totally undermined himself, and even if he were the a fantastic coach (which I doubt) half the battle is making the players believe in what you're telling them.
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. A player running at a defender has two chances to the defender's one. He can beat the defender or draw a foul. The defender can win the ball. Passing the ball across the pitch is to winning football is what chewing gum is to a healthy diet.
Brian, I am disappointed you forgot the third attacking option - kick the ball past the defender , give chase and watch the defender shepherd the ball out harmlessly for a goal kick.
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Make us better in the final third. Play with more width, use the whole 55 or so metres of the pitch, side to side. Buy wingers. Simples.
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. A player running at a defender has two chances to the defender's one. He can beat the defender or draw a foul. The defender can win the ball. Passing the ball across the pitch is to winning football is what chewing gum is to a healthy diet.
Brian, I am disappointed you forgot the third attacking option - kick the ball past the defender , give chase and watch the defender shepherd the ball out harmlessly for a goal kick.
The 4th option also known as the N'Zogbia method is to instead of going past the defender and head for touch line to cross allow the defender to guide you inside and finally kick the ball against his shin and fall over.
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I think Lambert tried the N'Zogbia method vs Sunderland and it was utterly pointless. At every opportunity the team fed the ball our our Charlie on the right and he balls it up time and again. Whatever Lambert has tried with this current squad has failed. He needs not only better players but to ditch the idea of using full backs to overlap and cross because they aren't any good. Hutton isn't bad, Cissokho useless. Go back to getting the ball out wide quickly to Sinclair and Gil have then run at the full back and deliver good crosses for Benteke. That has to be our way forward.
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. A player running at a defender has two chances to the defender's one. He can beat the defender or draw a foul. The defender can win the ball. Passing the ball across the pitch is to winning football is what chewing gum is to a healthy diet.
Brian, I am disappointed you forgot the third attacking option - kick the ball past the defender , give chase and watch the defender shepherd the ball out harmlessly for a goal kick.
The 4th option also known as the N'Zogbia method is to instead of going past the defender and head for touch line to cross allow the defender to guide you inside and finally kick the ball against his shin and fall over.
You may well mock but how many players could do this with such relentless consistency? Masterful. Fucking masterful.
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I think Lambert tried the N'Zogbia method vs Sunderland and it was utterly pointless. At every opportunity the team fed the ball our our Charlie on the right and he balls it up time and again. Whatever Lambert has tried with this current squad has failed. He needs not only better players but to ditch the idea of using full backs to overlap and cross because they aren't any good. Hutton isn't bad, Cissokho useless. Go back to getting the ball out wide quickly to Sinclair and Gil have then run at the full back and deliver good crosses for Benteke. That has to be our way forward.
I agree with most everything except I don't think it's fair to label cissokho useless.
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I think Lambert tried the N'Zogbia method vs Sunderland and it was utterly pointless. At every opportunity the team fed the ball our our Charlie on the right and he balls it up time and again. Whatever Lambert has tried with this current squad has failed. He needs not only better players but to ditch the idea of using full backs to overlap and cross because they aren't any good. Hutton isn't bad, Cissokho useless. Go back to getting the ball out wide quickly to Sinclair and Gil have then run at the full back and deliver good crosses for Benteke. That has to be our way forward.
I agree with most everything except I don't think it's fair to label cissokho useless.
Useless in an attacking capacity. It's not a strength of his to get forward and deliver crosses. If you ask him to be a defensive full back then he is quite competent.
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So is Hutton. It's no coincidence in this set up we hardly score with Lowton on the bench. I would go 4 4 2 and get the ball in the box from wide much more.
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Randomly I have to post because a memory if Saturday which made me smile came back to me this morning.
On our train back, and about 8pm, there were a group of lads further down making up a new version of the 'in the aiiiiiiiiiiiiir to Tony Cascarino' song. I couldn't catch all of it, but it ended
'Cleverley fucks it uuuuuuuuuuuup.......and back to Brad Guzan'
I thought it was perfect.
It also definitely started with 'Brad Guzan rolls the ball to Clarkey' - that only leaves a couple of moves missing, and it really can't be that hard to work out what they are!
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We are screaming out for width, we can all see it apart from the most important person when it comes to tactics / team selection.
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I am coming to the conclusion we are going down this season. We have relied on there being worse teams than us over the past few seasons but I dont think there are this time round.
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I am coming to the conclusion we are going down this season. We have relied on there being worse teams than us over the past few seasons but I dont think there are this time round.
Leicester are officially the worst team overall for now . Problem is we are in decline . If they'd won 5-0 we couldn't have had too many complaints .
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I am coming to the conclusion we are going down this season. We have relied on there being worse teams than us over the past few seasons but I dont think there are this time round.
There ARE worse teams than us this season. We just have the worst manager.
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I am coming to the conclusion we are going down this season. We have relied on there being worse teams than us over the past few seasons but I dont think there are this time round.
My thoughts throughout the second half on Saturday as I looked on in silent disbelief at the inept performance of our players against the team who are bottom of the league and could/should have scored 5 against us!
Unbefuckinglievable at the time, but slowly becoming inevitable.
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I saw Joey Barton saying that Lambert's doing a good job yesterday ...
It's now 100% certain - Lambert must go.
Pulis at Smethwick is a bit of a pisser - he's the type of low budget Manager we need under such a useless owner.
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Pulis at Smethwick is a bit of a pisser - he's the type of low budget Manager we need under such a useless owner.
is this the same tony pulis who pulled a MON and quit palace on the eve of the season because they wouldn't back him in the transfer market?
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Pulis at Smethwick is a bit of a pisser - he's the type of low budget Manager we need under such a useless owner.
is this the same tony pulis who pulled a MON and quit palace on the eve of the season because they wouldn't back him in the transfer market?
I think so. Do you know another one in football ?
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Pulis at Smethwick is a bit of a pisser - he's the type of low budget Manager we need under such a useless owner.
is this the same tony pulis who pulled a MON and quit palace on the eve of the season because they wouldn't back him in the transfer market?
I think so. Do you know another one in football ?
we've got an owner who wants to spend the bare minimum. pulis wouldn't have come.
lambert is lerner's pardew. does what he is told.
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I saw Joey Barton saying that Lambert's doing a good job yesterday ...
This perception is quite common amongst TV/Radio presenters & pundits etc..
As is the perception that we are better away from home due to our counter-attacking style.
They're lazy and they don't want to talk about us but feel obliged to pass comment before moving on to more interesting topics.
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Pulis at Smethwick is a bit of a pisser - he's the type of low budget Manager we need under such a useless owner.
is this the same tony pulis who pulled a MON and quit palace on the eve of the season because they wouldn't back him in the transfer market?
I think so. Do you know another one in football ?
we've got an owner who wants to spend the bare minimum. pulis wouldn't have come.
lambert is lerner's pardew. does what he is told.
So we are a less attractive proposition than Smethwick ?
I think he'd have come and re-structured and kept us up, and in turn, helped Lerner attract a decent buyer.
He was on the market, waiting for a decent opportunity - we were just that.
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I don't care how good a job he did with Palace, I don't want Tony Pulis anywhere near my football club.
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I saw Joey Barton saying that Lambert's doing a good job yesterday ...
This perception is quite common amongst TV/Radio presenters & pundits etc..
As is the perception that we are better away from home due to our counter-attacking style.
They're lazy and they don't want to talk about us but feel obliged to pass comment before moving on to more interesting topics.
I think that's it.
I haven't watched much of Everton this year - so I could only speculate what is going on over there - why would a neutral watch our matches?
(The pundits should, but obviously don't)
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I think TTV is seeing Pulis from a purely practical point of view, not for the aesthetics involved.
I tend to think along those lines, very simply because Pulis (or similar???) would have given us a sense of organisation, purpose and made a lot more of the players and their attributes that Lambert seems to be completely incapable of.
It's no good having players like Gabby (pace) and Benteke (strength/skill) in the team if they never have the ball.
I'm a desperate man clutching at straws Monty!
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Pulis plays awful football and spent £100 million to keep a retrograde Stoke just about in the Premier League.
We have a terrible manager as it is who has shown with two poorer squads than this that he can keep us up, so why jump out of the pan and into the fire?
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I think we're already in the fire Ads!
Lambert seems to have no idea about how to use/set up our playing personnel to any great effect.
I would say we have better players than Leicester, for instance, but they were rarely troubled by our 68% possession that produced little or no threat, and when they had possession themselves created danger on a very regular basis and could easily have won the game by 4 or 5.
I'm not really advocating Pulis as some kind of saviour, I just believe that almost any manager with some tactical nous would have us playing better and in a much healthier position in the league.
There is no doubt that if our current form - 2 points from a possible 9 against teams below us and no goals scored - doesn't change, we will go down.
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Do you not remember when we went to Stoke in Lambert's first season and blasted them 3-1? We were pretty rubbish ourselves, but imagine being a Stoke fan that day.
They were a turd that wouldn't flush. Pulis wouldn't be an improvement. It would just be going back to long ball rubbish to Benteke.
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I think if we went for him we could get Pulis. After all, he's not working in football at the moment ;-)
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That was a great away day Ads!
What's happened to us since?
The attacking flair we showed at that stage of that season led us all to think there were good things to come in the future.
It just hasn't happened and although I've been 100% behind Lambert I have finally lost my faith in him as a manager who can set a team up to win games.
As I say, I'm not a Pulis fan at all, but I can't help thinking he would have us playing more effectively than Lambert is...but then I think almost any half-decent tactician would.
In the last 10 minutes on Saturday we resorted to lumping it up to Benteke as our best chance of getting a goal!