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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on November 21, 2011, 08:18:50 AM
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Available Monday evening.
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VILLA team v Tottenham: Given, Cuellar, Dunne, Collins, Warnock; Hutton, Petrov, Herd, Heskey; Agbonlahor, Bent. Subs: N’Zogbia, Guzan, Ireland, Bannan, Delph, Clark, Weimann.
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We are playing 3 centre halves? Oh well come on you Villa boys.
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Cuellar and Hutton?
5 - 3 - 2 ?
Or Hutton in a defensive midfield role?
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What is that? 5-3-2, or is Collins and Herd playing in front of the back 4 in 4-2-3-1 system?
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Park the bus then.
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Hmmm
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Heskey ?
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Mountfield - Nielsen - McGrath.
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Can't see much point playing Emile in this one, Spurs aren't much of a threat in the air and that's Emile's biggest benefit. Balckburn away: yes. Spurs away: hmmm. Hope he proves me wrong.
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Hutton must be playing wide right to double up on Bale. It makes some sense as he's better going forward. But, it really is a defensive line up and one devoid of creativity in midfield.
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10 across the goal line with Gabby on his own in the centre circle?
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I wish we wouldn't continue to use Heskey in this role, but hopefully we'll pull off a surprise result.
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That is a bizarre selection. Hope it pays off.
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Deeeeefence!
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Fucks sake what a shit team
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Hutton wide right. I really have seen everything now.
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Jesus Christ. A manager has made tactical decision. Does he not realize we're Villa?
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If it works, I love it.
I'll be stating more of the bleeding obvious later!
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No problem with him tightening up the midfield defensively.
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I remember last season Heskey had a great game away at Spurs, until he went off injured.
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First goal uber important when you send a line up out like this. Let's hope Gabby continues with his run of form and we get one early. If we're left chasing the game with this line up it's going to be a long night.
Spurs fans to be singing 'boring boring Villa' if they don't score 3 by half time?
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I think it's embarrassing.
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This is going to be a very long night for the defense,
not a fan of ''parking the bus'' but if it works .........
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Jesus Christ. A manager has made tactical decision. Does he not realize we're Villa?
If he sees the amount of criticism he's got before a ball's been kicked, I would think he'd guess.
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We really have stopped even trying to competie, its fucking Spurs ffs, we may aswell take to the field waving white flags.
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Obviously bolstering the wide area's threat of Bale and Co, makes sense, question is, is he playing Gabby up front with Bent, Gabby will need 2 markers, if he's playing Heskey up front or just of, waist of time in my opinion, Gabby needs to be right up there, and Gabby will want to prove to the next England manager what's in his locker.....
C'mon you Villa boys
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Is McLeish that wary of Bale that he is playing a full-back in front of the full back?
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Jesus Christ. A manager has made tactical decision. Does he not realize we're Villa?
There's always one.
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Well in fairness I suppose Hutton's strength is more going forward so it's not the end of the world. I hope it works out.
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We need to make sure if we get any set pieces that we make them count.
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Well, I for one am expecting us to dominate posession, with dizzying pass-and-move antics, really taking the game to Spurs.
I can't work out if McLeish is doing the right thing in applying a bit of muscle on the right, making the best of the limited options we have in the squad and mixing things up according to the opposition, or just throwing in the extra defender and hoping like Hell.
Besides, closing down Bale is fine were it not for the other threats in the shape of Van der Vaart and Lennon. Oh, and Modric. Bloody Hell.
2-1 to us, then.
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That is certainly an, er, interesting lineup. So Heskey and Hutton to be the creative midfielders?
Really hope it comes off, but i'm not overly confident.
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I feel an Historic Villa win coming on and a magnificent Gabby show of huge proportions.............
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Tottenham team v VILLA: Friedel; Walker, Kaboul, King, Assou-Ekotto; Lennon, Modric, Parker, Bale; Van der Vaart; Adebayor. Subs: Cudicini, Bassong, Gallas, Giovani, Pienaar, Sandro, Defoe.
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We really have stopped even trying to competie, its fucking Spurs ffs, we may aswell take to the field waving white flags.
Why? Just because the formation appears to be a 352 or 532 it does not mean we cannot attack and compete. It all depends on what the player's instructions are.
I can see some logic in 3 at the back as Spurs play one up top in adebayor. My main worry will be if spurs get too much possession and Bale and Lennon (is he playing?) push our wing backs too far back. As ever, I'd prefer a player other than Heskey in midfield as he is not good enough at retaining possession in my opinion.
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Spurs bench doesn't look to formidable to me. First team look pretty decent though.
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How very Blackburn Rovers.
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I think we do need to be realistic here, other than Man Utd and Citeh Spurs haven't lost a game have they? and they battered Liverpool at home.
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We really have stopped even trying to competie, its fucking Spurs ffs, we may aswell take to the field waving white flags.
Why? Just because the formation appears to be a 352 or 532 it does not mean we cannot attack and compete. It all depends on what the player's instructions are.
I can see some logic in 3 at the back as Spurs play one up top in adebayor. My main worry will be if spurs get too much possession and Bale and Lennon (is he playing?) push our wing backs too far back. As ever, I'd prefer a player other than Heskey in midfield as he is not good enough at retaining possession in my opinion.
Excellent point, Arry will be putting great stock in Lennon and Bale, that's where there main play will spread out to IMO, negate that and we have a glimmer, problem is Bale on song must be one of the best players in the world at the moment.
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Embarrassing. It's Spurs, not Barcelona.
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From the BBC
1931: Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish confirms that Alan Hutton will start on the right wing in front of Carlos Cuellar to protect his side from Gareth Bale.
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We really have stopped even trying to competie, its fucking Spurs ffs, we may aswell take to the field waving white flags.
Why? Just because the formation appears to be a 352 or 532 it does not mean we cannot attack and compete. It all depends on what the player's instructions are.
I can see some logic in 3 at the back as Spurs play one up top in adebayor. My main worry will be if spurs get too much possession and Bale and Lennon (is he playing?) push our wing backs too far back. As ever, I'd prefer a player other than Heskey in midfield as he is not good enough at retaining possession in my opinion.
Well i hope your rite and i'd happily take being called a know nothing twat come 10pm.
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I think we do need to be realistic here, other than Man Utd and Citeh Spurs haven't lost a game have they? and they battered Liverpool at home.
See you point, but think of it this way, as the mighty Lions start to appear from the tunnel in the next few mins, and you see Dunny, Bent, Petrov and then emerging like the coming Messiah is the fantastic Gabby Agbonlahor, would you bet against Gabby if he's up for it ;)
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I think it could work. If Bale proves a handful we double up on him, if we are making progress forward Hutton can provide width and be extremely dangerous.
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Never mind Hutton in midfield, we've got Halsey in the middle!
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No Albrighton on the bench?
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If this comes off I will piss myself.
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Harry thinks we'll play 5-3-2.
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I hope it's like England Spain, they dominte the possesion but we score from a set piece and keep a clean sheet.
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I think it could work. If Bale proves a handful we double up on him, if we are making progress forward Hutton can provide width and be extremely dangerous.
We used to complain when people doubled up on Ashley Young, worked against him for a season...
Clutching at straws really - can we lull Spuds into a trance with our slo-mo passing and movement maybe?
1 - 0 to the Villa!
Cuellar from a corner
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Live stream (http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/93551/1/watch-tottenham-hotspur-vs-aston-villa.html)
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I don't think we'll be chanting: 'You should have stayed in Sandbanks' to Harry tonight.
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Harry thinks we'll play 5-3-2.
I hope he's right! Makes more sense than Hutton as wide midfielder...
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What are the odds on Hutton getting a red card tonight?
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From the BBC
1931: Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish confirms that Alan Hutton will start on the right wing in front of Carlos Cuellar to protect his side from Gareth Bale.
This could be the mark of a tactical genius that a lot of people thin Eck is or a total disaster however it is brave.
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Looks like our good manager is desperate for a 0-0.
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I think it was spurs who sang Boring boring villa last season
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Was going to go down the pub to watch this but seeing that line up I think I'll save my money. Any time now I'll be asking for a decent stream :(
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Harry thinks we'll play 5-3-2.
532 will not work against them. They mainly attack on the ground in the channels and wide cutting in so 451 will be more effective however I am not Harry or Tom or Dick!
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0-0 is available @ 14 with Bet365 if anyone's interested. Clear one side would take that, so I've had a little flutter at decent odds.
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Live stream (http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/93551/1/watch-tottenham-hotspur-vs-aston-villa.html)
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I'm going to the pub. I need beer. I think it may be a long night.
UTV
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Looks like our good manager is desperate for a 0-0.
I'd be happy with it!
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I'm going to the pub. I need beer. I think it may be a long night.
UTV
I reckon about 90+ minutes!
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Live stream (http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/93551/1/watch-tottenham-hotspur-vs-aston-villa.html)
Ta
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http://vip----tv.eu/
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I'm watching on a stream from Lisbon. Depressed by the defensive posture, but hey, we're villa, come on you lions!!!
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Gary Neville can jog on with his Gabby comments
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Where is Albrighton btw? He must be sickened to see Hutton playing his role. I know Albrighton can't defend well, but he isn't any worse than Hutton. But at least the boy can deliver the ball once in a while.
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Gary Neville can jog on with his Gabby comments
What's he said?
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Gary Neville can jog on with his Gabby comments
What's he said?
Gabby can play for a Sky 4 club.
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Gary Neville can jog on with his Gabby comments
What's he said?
Nowt major, just he could play for a top 4 team. He's seen Young and Downing go in the summer and he's thinking that could be me. No respect to Villa (sic)
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Where is Albrighton btw? He must be sickened to see Hutton playing his role. I know Albrighton can't defend well, but he isn't any worse than Hutton. But at least the boy can deliver the ball once in a while.
To be honest Huttons been better as an attacking winger than anything Albrighton has shown.
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I fancy Hutton to bag one tonight!
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Strange (shit) selection. Watch Heskey go!
Come on the Villa boys!
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Two early chances.
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Slightly over the bar
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Gary Neville can jog on with his Gabby comments
What's he said?
Nowt major, just he could play for a top 4 team. He's seen Young and Downing go in the summer and he's thinking that could be me. No respect to Villa (sic)
You c**t Neville.
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Its one way traffic
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What's going on with that camera angle?
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Good start it's been 52 seconds!
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Ohhhh, I thought The Kaiser was away then?
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What's going on with that camera angle?
Yup, White Hart lane changed camera angle a while back. It was better the way it was.
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Warnock just made to look like a donkey. Not that that's anything new.
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Trying to counter Bale's threat just smacks of surrender.
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Spurs have lots of players who are excellent at beating their man.
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This angle is awful.
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Right, come on you villa boys.
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That hair style on Spurs left back surely can not be legal attire for a game of football?
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Surely we can do better than Hutton at right wing?
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anyone found a link to watch this online?
UTV!
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Evening all, come on Villa!
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Surely we can do better than Hutton at right wing?
You'd have hoped so.
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anyone found a link to watch this online?
UTV!
http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/93551/2/watch-tottenham-hotspur-vs-aston-villa.html
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This angle is awful.
It's class you can see everything!
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Why is the angle so low, is it to do with 3D?
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That was a big let off. wtf is Warnock doing?
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Yikes, that was close.
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Warnock is useless.
And have you noticed every single Spurs player is in our half. Smart tactics from our manager.
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That was a very good chance for Ade.
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What a miss!
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Ads are ruining my stream, FFS
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How did that stay out?
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Bollocks. 1-0 Spurs.
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Fuck.
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Bicycle kick from 5 yards fuck off.
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That's been coming. We are shite.
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1-0
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How utterly predictable.
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longest 13 minutes of a game ever.
Throw the tactics out the window
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Collins you fucking twat.
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Going to be a long night. Pathetic defending, absolutely pathetic.
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We are such pushovers against decent sides away.
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Piss poor defending from a corner what a suprise!
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Didn't see that coming did we. Bastard always scores against us.
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Why weren't Dunne or Collins marking anybody?
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Stream just come back in time for goal.
Fucking useless defending. Schoolboy error? No, cos there'd have been 3 school boys running at the ball.
Shit
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Adebayor totally unmarked. I mean, do players even need to be told to make sure that doesn't happen?
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I see. We were trying to neutralize the threat posed by bale and Spurs. That's worked a treat.
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We look like a League Two side trying to keep the score down.
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So now that we've gone down with 6 defenders on the pitch, what's the big plan to get any points?
Oh... there isn't one
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Don't see the point in use playing like this. We were never going to hold off, they're much better.
At least if we set-up to try and score at some point you could forgive the defeat somewhat.
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This is like watching a non league team against higher league competition in the FA Cup.
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Oh and too many ads on the stream.
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Collins was marking Adebayor at the corner and lost him.
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Joke defending by us again
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And short of gabby, bent and given we are totally shit.
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27% possession. Abject.
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Collins you fucking twat.
This was Collins all over.
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oh dear
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we were never going to win this anyway!
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WTF was that?
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Bent WTF?
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Shit from Bent.
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Good chance for Bent, flag stayed down
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TBH first of many, we could have been 3 down already. Considering we have 6 defenders on the pitch, no one knows who to mark. The closest we have come to getting the ball in their half was when King miscontrolled and Gabby closed him down.
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That was school boy defending AGAIN. We won the first header but the guys on the post just stood their allowing Adebeyor to pretty much score from the goal line.
Agghhh what's Bent doing there!
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Bent should have done better.
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Who is going to create us a bit of magic?
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BOLLOCKS!
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Well thats the 'parking the bus' tactic out the window.
What..another 90 minutes holding out for a 1-0 loss/
Fucking pathetic to see use reduced to this bollocks.
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Mcleish is a disgrace, his team selection has meant spurs have the mental edge before the game even kicked off.
We cannot defend for toffee even with 6 defenders and Emile on the pitch.
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Christ. They are much, much better than us so far. Stll, a good, solid defensive set-up should give us a chance of holding on to this one-nil defeat.
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evening guys, jut switched on to SS1. Trying to work out the formation. Dune, Collins, cuellar and warnock, with Hutton on the wing?
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With no creativity in midfield our only hope of a goal is from a set piece
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we're getting torn a new one here. Fuck me. Can we not just have a go? Watching Swansea at the weekend or Norwich when they went to Man U, they just had a go. So they lost, but they went down having had more than enough chances to win.
My new dream is to see a Villa team come out of the blocks flying. Is it really too much to ask?
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On Friedal 'secured a big move from villa'.... three years ago it would have been the other way around :-(
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Why are we standing still in our own box, we're just letting them run at us!
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Fantastic header from Heskey. The bloke never ceases to amaze.
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Didn't Man City score the exact same goal against us?
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Where is Albrighton? Not even on the bench - McLeish either doesn't like him or he's injured.
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With no creativity in midfield our only hope of a goal is from a set piece
Another entertaining 90 mins of football then.
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we're getting torn a new one here. Fuck me. Can we not just have a go? Watching Swansea at the weekend or Norwich when they went to Man U, they just had a go. So they lost, but they went down having had more than enough chances to win.
My new dream is to see a Villa team come out of the blocks flying. Is it really too much to ask?
We did for the first 50 seconds.
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evening guys, jut switched on to SS1. Trying to work out the formation. Dune, Collins, cuellar and warnock, with Hutton on the wing?
Hutton on right wing Heskey on left. Surprised 'Arry hasn't played 6 defenders to cope with our pace and threat
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Brilliant defensive header from Heskey, Shame we were attacking then. But TBF, the Tottenham box is a foreign country for our players at the moment.
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Christ. They are much, much better than us so far. Stll, a good, solid defensive set-up should give us a chance of holding on to this one-nil defeat.
I just can't imagine what was going through McLeish's head. Hutton has been awful at right back, so why he was going to be any use at wide right lord only knows.
Anyway, we really should watch a game in town this season, misery loves company!
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Herd is looking reasonably good again. Mobile and looks to pass the ball forward and to players' feet.
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Herd is looking up for it!
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Hutton on right wing Heskey on left....
You know, seeing it written down like that has darkened my mood still further.
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Where is Albrighton? Not even on the bench - McLeish either doesn't like him or he's injured.
He always seems to be in the training photos so god knows where he is.
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John Motson and Steve Claridge on 5Live. This is just absolute shit.
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BBC sport slagging off McLeish's tactics. Good. He's absoutely useless. What did you all expect from this match, honestly?
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Herd is looking reasonably good again. Mobile and looks to pass the ball forward and to players' feet.
Apart from the dead rodent on his upper lip, that is...
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I hope Herd has paid people their sponsorship money back for that Movember effort.
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I see the commentry team are having the spurs love in.
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Where is Albrighton? Not even on the bench - McLeish either doesn't like him or he's injured.
He always seems to be in the training photos so god knows where he is.
We are trying to neutralize Bale, please pay attention! Working well so far ain't it?!
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THis, isn't good so far, they have some much width compared to us. Talk about setting up for damage limitations!!
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How good is parker wish he was our colours!
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not once tried to play out of the back . hoofing Villa
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I have a fucking ACE high-definition stream from Villastreams.
It's fucking painful to watch. I preferred it when we had buffering pixels and couldn't see how shite we were.
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Christ. They are much, much better than us so far. Stll, a good, solid defensive set-up should give us a chance of holding on to this one-nil defeat.
I just can't imagine what was going through McLeish's head. Hutton has been awful at right back, so why he was going to be any use at wide right lord only knows.
Anyway, we really should watch a game in town this season, misery loves company!
Yep, I'm up for that. Beer can only help (unless you're Richard Dunne).
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What was the point of the Norwich game? Did we learn nothing? We passed it and ran with it. Why not build on that and try today as well?
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Never mind, at least Randy has a nice letter from Alex Ferguson.
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We are playing in our own box!
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This is the type of game given should shine in. Fingers crossed he pulls off some might fine saves and gives us a chance to stay in the game
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I see the commentry team are having the spurs love in.
Well, what can they say good about us? Most of our own fans (Including me) can see what a disaster this match is at the moment and that Spurs our carving us open at will as the Villa management seem to forget that Spurs have Parker, Modric, Lennon, Van Der Vaart and Adebayour as well as Bale.
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Collins aimlessly punting it as usual.
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Just what is Heskey's fucking problem, other than being shite ? Why is he such a bloody wuss ?
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That second goal was fucking atrocious. Embarrassing lack of attempt to have a go, so negative.
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25 fucking minutes. Am pissed off now. with the villa and this website.
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Expected, yet demoralising. Either way, total and utter horse cack.
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Awful.
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absolute fucking dog shit first half.
who in the fuck is supposed to score our goals?
who is supposed to coherently be a part of the offensive build up?
and, why the fuck are we giving more time, space and respect to fucking spurs than we did to manciteh?!
are you kidding me mcleish?! you've gotten it all wrong from the start today. two weeks off and this is the dross you bring to a monday night game?!
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Too defensive. We offer nothing.
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Well McLeish sent out a team packed with defenders to keep it tight and frustrate Spurs' attackers.
It's going well, isn't it?
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Has H&V been down i couldn't connect for the last 15mins?
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Catching up. Collins again for the goal, totally distracted Given/got a little touch to cause the issue. But when McCleish comes out and says he is deliberately stopping Bale and that player sets up a goal then the plan has failed abysmally.
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0 shots on target. 30% possession. 2-0 down. Still parking the bus.
You see why I despise McLeish?
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Dear God that was bad. Lucky to have kept it to two, to be frank.
I have no idea what it is that James Collins is supposed to be good at.
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Dear God that was bad. Lucky to have kept it to two, to be frank.
I have no idea what it is that James Collins is supposed to be good at.
Costing us goals?
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Too defensive. We offer nothing.
We need to lose the shackles and have a go at teams, we have been fucking awful.
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We are terrible, there is no hope!
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That second goal was fucking atrocious. Embarrassing lack of attempt to have a go, so negative.
Under statement! Having played 2 defenders to double up on Bale he gets left in acres of space to pick a cross and Collins obliges by swinging a leg in front of Given. If it wasn't so desperate it would be funny
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Dear God that was bad. Lucky to have kept it to two, to be frank.
I have no idea what it is that James Collins is supposed to be good at.
Costing us goals?
Oh, he excels at that, Sir. [/C3PO]
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Looking at the upcoming games, my immediate thought rhymes with clucking bell.
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I'm not sure what's going on. Not once have I shouted at the game. I think it's because I don't see the point in it. We were always going to get hammered by a team much better than us.
On the other hand, I don't understand why we didn't play how we did against Norwich and try and win the game.
If we play like this against Swansea, then I'll be screaming and shouting at the TV.
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If the same team comes out second half I might lose the will to live. Yes, two individual mistakes (whoever was supopsed to marking that cnut Adebayor for the first and Collins/Dunne the second) are the difference but.... It's defence V attack. Bit of bottle and bravery from AM and the players second half is the minimum requirement.
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I actually want to cry. There is so little to be positive about. At least last season we knew we were underperforming and had bags of potential. This season, we are just very average with an unbelievably defeatist and negative manager and a coachign staff that have acheived shag all in the game.
Depressed.com
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Collins,Hutton,Heskey off. Nzogbia,Ireland,Albrighton on. We are a fucking laughing stock. Yes Spurs are favourites but why not have a go and lose.
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Collins has given them both goals. It's time for him to sit on the bench where he is safe and Clark on.
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Bad manager = loosing games.
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So this is the blueprint that we'll be using to pick up points against the teams towards the top of the table? I might give those games a miss then..
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Randy has to take some of the blame for appointing manager Commonlly known for negative defence football.
This is so embarrassing I can't believe it.
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That is the sort of Blues-esque performance that many of us have been concerned about from the start.
Not even trying, ffs, not even trying to close them down. Disgraceful.
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Maybe the clearest image of our collapse so far - rocking up at spurs with a team full of defenders and still being 2 down at half time.
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Try and trap ball ... Bounce...Hoof....and repeat
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31% possession is scandalous.
Defensively, Collins is the weakest link (again).
The system is not working, we are paying so much attention to neurtralising their wide play that we have simply surrendered the middle of the park.
The midfield needs to tuck in tighter and everybody needs to be playing 10 yards further forward !
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It is Collins at fault for both goals, fucking rubbish.
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Not sure what else we could reasonably expect.
Compare the personnel in their midfield against ours and it is not difficult to understand why the create chances and we do not.
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Don't forget McLeish wants to give Collins an extended contract. Don't forget he bought Hutton off Spurs who are laughing.
And what's this about him improving our defence? It's worse than it was under Houllier. This talentless waste of space is useless at everything.
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I see Hutton is just as effective at RW as he is at RB. I thought his job was to nullify Bale...
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'We researched and debated and discussed probably two dozen odd managers from all over until we came to feel that, despite Alex's last post, he met the criteria. Not only is he affable and optimistic, well-liked and certainly well-respected among peers and players alike, but he fit our plan. He fit our feeling that a modern manager needs to balance the hysterical urgency to win and win quickly with the equally crucial need to not squander the work of our academy." R.Learner...
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It is Collins at fault for both goals, fucking rubbish.
Yet he'll still be automatically selected in our first team in every single match he's fit as opposed to Clark who deserves a chance.
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utter bollocks, stemming from an ultra conservative philosophy going into the game. This isn't MON's Villa where we can suck up pressure and attacking on the counter with pace. We don't have a John Carew holding the ball up. We don't have an Ashley Young bombing down the wing, we don't have a Gareth Barry quickly playing the ball out to the wings, and we don't have a work all day James Milner breaking shit down and steaming forward in support of the forwards. We are getting what we deserve. I really hoped AM wouldn't be like this where we threw in the towel before the game started.
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Maybe the clearest image of our collapse so far - rocking up at spurs with a team full of defenders and still being 2 down at half time.
You say defenders? They don't know the fucking meaning of the word.
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I am genuinely embarrassed.
its fucking spurs.
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That is the sort of Blues-esque performance that many of us have been concerned about from the start.
Not even trying, ffs, not even trying to close them down. Disgraceful.
That's the thing if your going to do the defensive thing you have to close down as well. This is bollocks we have to try and attacking, it is fucking gash.
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Collins,Hutton,Heskey off. Nzogbia,Ireland,Albrighton on. We are a fucking laughing stock. Yes Spurs are favourites but why not have a go and lose.
Albrighton did not even make the bench. Stick Bannan on with N'Zogbia and Ireland. Just go for it.
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That is the sort of Blues-esque performance that many of us have been concerned about from the start.
Not even trying, ffs, not even trying to close them down. Disgraceful.
That's what is so disheartening. I really hoped that he wouldn't try that shit with us, but one look at that team sheet tonight has removed that hope completely.
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Nah, can't be arsed watching the second half, going to bed, fuck it.
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We haven't won away all season, the way this game is going isn't surprising in the slightest!
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Absolute fucking disgrace!
McCleish has gone into this game like we're playing fucking Barcelona. He might as well have just handed his own balls on a silver platter to Redknob before the game because he obviously had no intention on manning up for this game, fucking clueless twat!!
No grit, no composure, one meaningful tackle from Herd all half. 5 fucking defenders and they couldn't have scored 2 easier goals. If he had anything about him he'd admit he's out of his depth and fuck right off!
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Collins waving for offside for the first goal, with two Villa players about two yards behind him. You can only laugh.
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Nah, can't be arsed watching the second half, going to bed, fuck it.
I am with you.....not the same bed though!
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"Parking the bus!" who's driving it David Blunket?
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Bottom 3 by January. It is all so predictable, and depressing.
Wonder what plan B is?
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Not sure what else we could reasonably expect.
Compare the personnel in their midfield against ours and it is not difficult to understand why the create chances and we do not.
Maybe we should have picked more than one recognised midfielder then ?
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Collins has been fucking atrocious and should be dropped. Our entire philosophy has to change.
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6 goals conceded in the last three games. After the first few matches I thought AM was going to sort the defence out, but looks like we have slipped into Houllier mode again.
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If he is going in to make it hard for them, why are we standing off them letting them play?
Get in their fuckin' faces and show some fuckin' pride in the shirt. They're a good side but we make them look like Barcelona - utterly embarrassing.
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We chucked the towel in and expected a pasting before we started. Terrible.
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Collins,Hutton,Heskey off. Nzogbia,Ireland,Albrighton on. We are a fucking laughing stock. Yes Spurs are favourites but why not have a go and lose.
Agree. But he's more likely to bring another defender on.
Absolute disgrace of a starting line up - a midfield of Hutton, Herd, Petrov and Heskey won't cause anyone any problems let alone a decent Spuds side. Surrendered the game before kick-off and fielded a side to avoid a hammering - and it looks like even that might fail. I've been willing to give McLeish the benefit of the doubt so far, but if this is how we approach any game I'm having serious doubts.
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As I've tweeted and put on FB it is depressing that Hutton and Heskey are where we once had Ashley Young and James Milner, not to mention Herd (no disrespect to the young right back) where Gareth Barry was and James Collins where Martin Laursen used to be.
FFS, Spurs were so far behind us three seasons ago and now we go there with a white flag of surrender.
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We don't even go through the motions of looking like an attacking force.
I can't hold onto it much longer.
I fucking hate Mcleish and what he has turned us into...a bunch of non descript, non combative, non entities.
I only hate Heskey more.
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Collins,Hutton,Heskey off. Nzogbia,Ireland,Albrighton on. We are a fucking laughing stock. Yes Spurs are favourites but why not have a go and lose.
Albrighton did not even make the bench. Stick Bannan on with N'Zogbia and Ireland. Just go for it.
Sorry. To think Hutton is ahead of Ł10m Nzogbia and Albrighton looking to find some games and form again. Embarrassing
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Collins is a shockingly bad defender, at fault for 2 more so far
tonight. More to come I expect....
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Problem is, AM has set the team up from a defensive point of view, we're now 2-0 down so where does he go from here? Does he change it straight away or play the first 15 mins with the same team (which i have a feeling he will do). We all know, that we're screwed so why not just go for broke? Put the attacking players on. Neville is really highlighting how poor hutton and collins were for the second goal too... Ouch!!
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Mcleish is a disgrace, his team selection has meant spurs have the mental edge before the game even kicked off.
We cannot defend for toffee even with 6 defenders and Emile on the pitch.
Have to agree. If we were non-league minnows drawn away to a Premier League team I would expect this mindset and attitude. On paper Tottenham currently have the better side BUT we have got a team and players that can attack them and score goals.
I just can't understand why we are sitting back and giving them so much respect. It makes you wonder how on earth we would approach playing Barcelona?! Incredibly disappointing and not good enough for Aston Villa, in my view. Hopefully in the second half we will get in their faces, battle for every ball and play as if we want to get something out of the match.
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why didnt we have a go at these lot , Fulham did last game and were unlucky .
Its a f**king joke , 6 defenders and 2-0 down . Its spurzz ffs .
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That is the sort of Blues-esque performance that many of us have been concerned about from the start.
Not even trying, ffs, not even trying to close them down. Disgraceful.
This is just like the performances Blues gave at the end of last season, especially against Fulham. Embarrassing, it doesn't look like we even belong in the same division.
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Highlight of the first half, undoubtedly Cuellar trying to take Heskeys head off with a 10 yard pass.
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Do the rules of the game say we have to come out for the second half?
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We must be the only team to play the park the bus tactics with a fucking hopper stopper!!
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Townsend says it out straight. 'I can't see what Heskey's doing apart from stifle Agbonlahor'
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Herd has done well Hutton is pathetic.
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Truly woeful. I came back form the pub as I couldn't be arsed wasting any more money watching us.
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tactics like this is going to alientate even those of us that wanted to give him a chance. Fuck me.
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Collinshas been utter tripe for ages. This must surely get CC a start against Swansea.
The only talent we have in the side is Gabby and Bent and you'd be forgiven for not knowing they were playing. As Legion said, let's just fucking go for it second half. Surely it can't be as bad as that first half.
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We were beaten before we went out, to set up like we have you cannot give goals away like we have. I watched Shamrock Rovers give Spurs a better game than that.
Collins is a fucking liability, for all the limitations we have in our team we just cannot be that bad that he should be anywhere near the first team. He costs us goals week after week, why oh why can't Eck see that.
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Cameron is in the ground , FFS , get his Villa kit on now and get him on the f**king pitch .
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God, it's just so annoying. I mean Spurs are a very good team, and generally it's no disgrace to lose there, but to just show up, play two right backs as if that is where the only threat is, 'park the bus' and hope....it's just awful. It's not the losing, it's the manner of it that's pissing me right off.
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We don't even go through the motions of looking like an attacking force.
I can't hold onto it much longer.
I fucking hate Mcleish and what he has turned us into...a bunch of non descript, non combative, non entities.
I only hate Heskey more.
Hey good on ya. Don't hold back on what you think of this useless manager. I've been saying this for the past months and got called a troll continously. Looks now everyone's getting a wake up call. If people still defend McLeish after this then they can't be helped and I can think of one certain guy on here who'll probably do it.
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Just spotted Cameron. Maybe he should go and give them an inspirational talk so we could give them a jolly good biffing
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No changes, genius.
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Collins must be dropped. At least houllier had a clue and a direction of travel. This is just rubbish. Had enough.
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No fucking changes. Brilliant, as you were lads, keep it up - excellent stuff.
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Collins is a big, useless, ginger nugget.
And so is McLeish, who hasn't made a change.
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I have no idea what it is that James Collins is supposed to be good at.
I'm starting to think along those lines too. Whilst there are usually mitigating circumstances he always seems to be involved in the goals we concede which suggests there is a communication problem in the defence or simply a lack of talent.
Today someone said that he was originally marking Adebeyor at the corner (whereas he'd no doubt argue that the guys on the posts should have played Ade offside). The second goal today he could have cut the cross out OR not obstructed Given's view.
We may as well be phasing Clark in to see whether he is good enough as he can't do much worse.
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We are playing like a small time club. Fearful and not competing. FFS Eck do or die.
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Bottom 3 by January. It is all so predictable, and depressing.
Wonder what plan B is?
I bet you Habib Beye's wages we're in a similar position to where we are now.
There's a gap from us to 7th because we're top (or near the top) of the shit teams.
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No changes!
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Only a couple of years ago we where competing with Spurs for 4th spot - how times have changed!! When the ginger git was appointed I took some comfort in him sorted our defence out - Spurs 1st goal was a fuckin joke!!!
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No changes.... Jesus.
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and it's the same team for the second half FFS
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Townsend says it out straight. 'I can't see what Heskey's doing apart from stifle Agbonlahor'
Was just about to post the same thing...
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I've not read the comments I was too scared but 6 defenders on the pitch 2 of them in midfield + heskey is a Fuckin disgrace
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"OK lads, let's try and keep it sloppy for the first 10 minutes, then if we're really crap, we might keep it down to six."
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We chucked the towel in and expected a pasting before we started. Terrible.
so true.
Harrys team talk must have been easy....'They are shit scared boys....go and have a field day'.
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first decent effort
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6 goals conceded in the last three games. After the first few matches I thought AM was going to sort the defence out, but looks like we have slipped into Houllier mode again.
I'd rather still have GH here than our current one even GM too! We will never beat the likes of Arsenal & Liverpool under this manager!
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great ball from herd!
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The commentator being very polite in saying that Mcleash not noted for his attacking ambitions, rather see 1-0 than 3-2.
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Finally!
Come on Villa, ffs!
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I don't like the match commentators. Patronising.
Townsend and Southgate are trying to find something positive but struggling.
I thought we were getting back into it and then they scored again.
Here's when McL does his half time magic, I hope.
And it looks as if he might have done. Good to see young Herd and Carlos in the same team.
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How often must Heskey give the ball away and put the pressure back on his team mates before he never wears a Villa shirt again?
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Does this mean we are in a mini-league with the bottom six now? Keep the score down against the top 6 and concentrate on those around us.
OOOHHH CORNER
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good cross by warnock
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Marginally better than the first half.
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thank f**K , theres loads of shite teams in this league
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well they are trying to pass it.
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We look a bit better now.
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As I've tweeted and put on FB it is depressing that Hutton and Heskey are where we once had Ashley Young and James Milner, not to mention Herd (no disrespect to the young right back) where Gareth Barry was and James Collins where Martin Laursen used to be.
FFS, Spurs were so far behind us three seasons ago and now we go there with a white flag of surrender.
This.
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I think I must be going nuts, but I don't think Villa have played *that* bad considering the opposition.
Apart from the two crap goals (and yes I do realise how stupid that sounds) I do not think there has been that much between the two teams. Slightly concerned what gear Spurs are currently in though...
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Spurs are now willing to sit back which is why we are having some of the ball - just waiting to pick us off
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Bloody hell.
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fook , could and should have been 3
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Should have been 3-0 then.
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Collins playing Adebayor onside he would have been at fault for all 3 goals had that gone in.
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I think I must be going nuts, but I don't think Villa have played *that* bad considering the opposition.
Apart from the two crap goals (and yes I do realise how stupid that sounds) I do not think there has been that much between the two teams. Slightly concerned what gear Spurs are currently in though...
For the first 20 minutes they had 75% possession. The gulf in class in huge.
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Collins playing Adebayor onside there, would you believe?
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Adebayor you mug. Sandra would have scored that.
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We set ourselves up to defend a corner when it is our corner. Everyone in the six yard box ???
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Adebayor inspired by Heskey, luckily.
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Marginally better than the first half.
Marginally? We've actually turned up this half.
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On a positive Adebayor is in my FL team along with Bale and RVV.
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Seriously - what is the plan with Hutton and Cuellar still on being two down with 35 mins left. I'm not slagging McLeish for the sake of it, but surely it isn't rocket science to try N'Zog now is it. *sigh*
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We set ourselves up to defend a corner when it is our corner. Everyone in the six yard box ???
I suspect we'd set ourselves up to defend a corner if we were awarded a fekkin' penalty. And we'd still be shit at it.
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Fucking Dunne you clumsy fat oaf.
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spurzz overplaying thank f**k , defence is awful
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Collins playing Adebayor onside there, would you believe?
Collins just made to look daft again. Who'd have thunk it?
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Dunne, Collins, Hutton and Warnock = SHIIIIT
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If only we had Jenas playing ? ;)
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Fucking Dunne you clumsy fat oaf.
Bollocks. Well done for trying to do something and not automatically hoofing it forward. At least he tried something different.
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They'll get a 3rd soon!
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Looks like Houllier had our back four right.
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Proud history, bright future
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Our defensive style is still getting slaughtered we may as well attack.
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Is anyone really surprised by this?
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Dunne, Collins, Hutton and Warnock = SHIIIIT
Does make you wonder what Clark has done wrong .
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I know ones too old and the other a retired crock but surely compared to our current two, Olof and Martin surely can still do a much better job!!
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I have nothing against Heskey, but FFS, get him off.
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I can see us getting a goal or two this half.
*opening another bottle of chenin blanc*
And who is 'Modderich'?
Related to Wemberley?
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I can't believe he hasn't made a change! I mean, just try something, Alex! Anything!
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Thought it would be 3 or 4 by now. Are we good value for 2-0 down or should it be more?
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I know ones too old and the other a retired crock but surely compared to our current two, Olof and Martin surely can still do a much better job!!
Ciaran Clarke would be a good start
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I know ones too old and the other a retired crock but surely compared to our current two, Olof and Martin surely can still do a much better job!!
mcnaught and Evans would
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Is anyone really surprised by this?
Surprised to see Aston Villa go to Spurs set up for damage limitation from the kick off. Yes.
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Is anyone really surprised by this?
Yep, have to say I'm surprised with how abject we are. So far, it's the worst performance in years for me.
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So when will the ginger fool make a change - my money is on the 89th minute & he will bring on ANOTHER defender!
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Fucking Keystone cops this.
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I have given this a lot of thought, and after detailed analysis of McLeish's team selection, his tactics and our overall play I can categorically announce that we are cack.
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We are being torn a new one here. This is embarassing
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Imagine the poor sods there.
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We're now on the 60th minute. Still no changes. Zilch.
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We will be lucky to finish above 12th place this season.
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Is anyone really surprised by this?
Yep, have to say I'm surprised with how abject we are. So far, it's the worst performance in years for me.
Yeah i'm surprised to. Surprised at the negativity of going defensive from the off. That's not how we play football!
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They are taking the piss out of us, this is embarrassing.
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We must be the most ole'd side in teh league. When is somebody going to put a fucking CHALLENGE in?
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what the fook was that from warnock
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OH FUCK OFF COLLINS
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I have given this a lot of thought, and after detailed analysis of McLeish's team selection, his tactics and our overall play I can categorically announce that we are cack.
Oh yes.
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We will be lucky to finish above 18th place this season.
Corrected.
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The fact that we still haven't made a change in any attempt to alter things and try and salvage a result is a fucking disgrace.
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I'm losing faith by the minute. Spurs are a good side but we're playing them like a second division side would.
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Yay - Barry's coming on!
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They're having fun out there at the moment. Can turn it up a gear anytime they want. Just toying with us. We'll go 3-0 down then AM will bring on N'Zogbia
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Just score the third please so I can turn the tv off
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OMFG, you see that then. Not one of our players (about 5) could win the ball against Bale!!!
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We used to play like them a long time ago.
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The fact that we still haven't made a change in any attempt to alter things and try and salvage a result is a fucking disgrace.
A double substitution coming up! Brace yourselves!
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I can't even get angry at the players
It s the managers fault.
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Wee Barry coming on
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Yay - Barry's coming on!
Yes, 65 mins tucking into Special Brew on the bench should do him good.
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This is anti-football!!! Shocking!!!
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Cuellar the fool guy again.
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goodnight all. see you at the post match thread.
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I can't even get angry at the players
It s the managers fault.
His team selection and tactics leave a lot to be desired.
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Bannan..Time to park the bus with a driver over the limit.
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We do look like a poor championship side. Hutton, Herd, Heskey, Bent and especially Cuellar . . . You wouldn't think they spent every day practicing kicking a ball around.
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We have all got this wrong.
Plucky little Villa are doing well to limit the big boys running away with the game.
At least everyone watching on the telly will be cheering for Villa because we all love the little feller against the big feller don't we ?
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If that fucking idiot says in the post match interview that ''Spurs are a super side with a different agenda to ours'' then Its a visit to Currys tomorrow for a new telly.
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How I wish we had a Scott Parker
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Its like watching Bolton under Big Sam.
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warnock having a mare
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I can't even get angry at the players
It s the managers fault.
I agree with you there
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This is dreadful. Absolutely dire performance.
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Its like watching Bolton under Big Sam.
Come off it - Bolton were effective.
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* sigh *
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Fantastic, 2-0 down and we bring on a midfielder who has never scored a goal from open play and hasn't played for a few weeks.
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Awful, terrible, horrendous.
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I can't even get angry at the players
It s the managers fault.
His team selection and tactics leave a lot to be desired.
He has tactics?
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Stay down and fuck off Warnock !
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I feel your pain diceman!!
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I can't even get angry at the players
It s the managers fault.
I agree with you there
yep
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Come on, lads, who's surprised? This is what we've got this season - we can beat a handful of poor teams this season, we can compete with anyone reasonable, and we'll get totally outplayed by anyone approaching good. Said it at the start of the season, haven't seen anything to make me change my mind. We're barely competing tonight.
We do have the players in the squad to perform better - half of them are on the bench though, and have been for weeks.
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We used to play like them a long time ago.
It must have been a very long time ago as Spurs have always tried to play football. Two clubs with a completely different football philosophy.
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Its like watching Bolton under Big Sam.
Sam got that lot into Europe... we're a million miles away from that...
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This is dreadful. Absolutely dire performance.
No. This is worse because we might have lost, but we didn't have to go into the game this way. That is inexcusable.
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We used to play like them a long time ago.
Bar one or two seasons we haven't played like them since!
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Its like watching Bolton under Big Sam.
Come off it - Bolton were effective.
:)
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warnock having a mare
GED knew the back 4 was white and would have replaced them. The centre of the park is embarrassing. To think Cabeye was on to sign is depressing.
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How I wish we had a Scott Parker
we would only sell him
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We're just a load of empty nothingness.
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How I wish we had a Scott Parker
Again, two years ago we'd be in for him. Now it's Jenas on loan.
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The regression in our side is staggering, it's all very well laying the blame at McLeish's feet, but lets not forget who appointed him and sold our best players in recent years. It's both of their faults.
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This is dreadful. Absolutely dire performance.
It really is. And I knew it would be from the second I saw that teamsheet. I really hoped mcLeish wouldn't be this negative at Villa, but here we are. Christ knows what'll happen if we try this against Man utd, Chelsea etc.
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We used to play like them a long time ago.
It must have been a very long time ago as Spurs have always tried to play football. Two clubs with a completely different football philosophy.
2007 when we won 8 away games in a row those were the days!
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a third goal is only a matter of time
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What is the fucking point of keeping Heskey on the pitch. Fuck off McCleish.
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Starting with Hutton on the right side of midfield - only a truly awful manager would do something quite so stupid.
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warnock having a mare
GED knew the back 4 was white and would have replaced them. The centre of the park is embarrassing. To think Cabeye was on to sign is depressing.
I know ozz , it would never have been this bad.
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is there a term that means more than 'men against boys' ?
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We will be lucky to finish above 12th place this season.
No offence intended to you D.Boy but obviously everyone *wants* Villa to finish as high as possible, but to *expect* villa to finish higher than 12th considering the players sold (and not replaced) then you're destined to be disappointed.
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Corner!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm really not surprised at all by this. I think the gulf between the top 6 and the rest this year is the largest it's been.
We are one of the premierships underclass and we know it - we play like it.
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
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Just been watching Warnock for the last 10 min... He's a total disgrace no skill no passion and no clue. WTF has this come to??
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is there a term that means more than 'men against boys' ?
Spurs v Villa.
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It's really nice to see us give Brad such respect.
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
Sod off.
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This is absolutely horrible.
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It sounds terrible because it's away. No, honest, even the terrible commentators gave Villa the first 20 minutes of this half. Jermaine Defoe's on. He 's awful, reading the comments on this board over the last few months. We have a chance. Are we bringing anybody else on....oh no. it's another Spurs corner.
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Who is the Bluenose striker? Idiot.
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
You forgot the sell all your best players bit, then appoint the fall guy to take the flack.
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My god, we're soooo bad at throw ins!
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Randy Lerner is at the match isn't he? Knowing how useless his judgement is he probably thinks we're doing well.
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No desire at all. Warnock is so bad its embarrassing, Clark is way better.
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I cant believe we are getting beat by a team who have Gail Platt playing for them .
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How's junior apprentice going?
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Just been watching Warnock for the last 10 min... He's a total disgrace no skill no passion and no clue. WTF has this come to??
has Heskey touched it in the last 10
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
Sod off.
truth hurts dont it
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Look on the bright side, lots of very winnable games in the next few weeks....
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I'm really not surprised at all by this. I think the gulf between the top 6 and the rest this year is the largest it's been.
I agree and I reckon it'd take the best part of 50m to get us back even challenging next year.
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We used to play like them a long time ago.
It must have been a very long time ago as Spurs have always tried to play football. Two clubs with a completely different football philosophy.
2007 when we won 8 away games in a row those were the days!
We were still shit at home. Away victories usually meant defending, backs to the wall for 80 minutes. Face it, we've never joined the 21st century.
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
Calm down! I blame the chairman he doesn't care no more!
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We are drawing the second half 0-0. Great effort boys.
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Even the sky commentator is now saying he's surprised N'Zogbia hasn't' come on yet... He'll come on in the 88th minute with the expectation of scoring 3 goals in 2 mins
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McLeish should come out and apologise for this. One of the most shambolic displays I can remember from a villa side. I know the scoreline is respectable but we were beaten before a ball was kicked.
What must Bent be thinking? Service involved hoofs from Collins.
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Just been watching Warnock for the last 10 min... He's a total disgrace no skill no passion and no clue. WTF has this come to??
I've been saying that for the last season and a half. But our owner thinks he's an England player and Houllier was wrong to freeze him out :roll:
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I can't think of a game before when I've felt we've got no chance at all of getting back into it. It's got 2 late goals and a 4 nil dubbing written all over it.
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
Sod off.
truth hurts dont it
Go and stand on the Holte steps again then . I wont .
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Nothing to do with the game but makes me feel marginally better.
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Are the Spuds fans singing 'going down m'lord'?
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McLeish should come out and apologise for this. One of the most shambolic displays I can remember from a villa side. I know the scoreline is respectable but we were beaten before a ball was kicked.
What must Bent be thinking? Service involved hoofs from Collins.
He won't. He'll probably say something like Spurs are a different class than us and we had no chance. Talk alot of bollocks about how we'll respond in the next game and will give Collins, Hutton automatic starts again with another park the bus tactic while Clark etc. rotting away on the bench thinking why must he watch clowns make fool of themselves every week.
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Superb from given then!
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Are the Spuds fans singing 'going down m'lord'?
I thought that was our fans...
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It pains me to agree with Danny Murphy, but he's right there; watching Spurs pass the ball out from Friedel to King to Parker to Lennon......we simply don't compare.
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Whoever made the ged comment a while ago is right. A good proportion of our squad showed themselves to be shit stirring gutless twats as well as limited footballers last season. They are only still here because it was a cheapskate option to hope Mcleish could polish up a few turds and get 2 more seasons out of them. God how sad.
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
You forgot the sell all your best players bit, then appoint the fall guy to take the flack.
the managers a ****** and you know it, he always was
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How's junior apprentice going?
[sugar]You started off wiv Utton in midfield and you wonder why you got beat? Alex, you done bad, you're fired"[/sugar]
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This is fucking awful.
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Poo
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shocking ball from bb . brilliant herd
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Commentator is right. Not good enough from a proud club with our history.
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Nice Villa back pass to Brad.
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Bloody hell ref, just blow the whistle, we'll take the 2-0.
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Herd has been great tonight - the only one who has shwon any passion.
I feel sorry for the lad playing in the middle of this shite.
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Heskey is STILL on
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you'd think spurs are the ones that are 2-0 down with the way both sides are playing at the moment
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Fuck me we are shit. As bad as final DOL season.
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
The worst thing we got from the Sty are some of their supporters. I really do wish they'd fuck off back to their holes.
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Just fuck off Heskey. What an embarrassment.
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
Sod off.
truth hurts dont it
Go and stand on the Holte steps again then . I wont .
its too fuckin late now aint it pal
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
You forgot the sell all your best players bit, then appoint the fall guy to take the flack.
the managers a c*** and you know it, he always was
And who appointed him? As it stands, he's far from a c***, he's a gentleman by all accounts, it just seems that he isn't a very good manager.
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warnock having a mare
GED knew the back 4 was white and would have replaced them. The centre of the park is embarrassing. To think Cabeye was on to sign is depressing.
Ozz, GH would have shaken things up. There is no doubt about that. We need a shake up so very badly.
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Everyone's just given up and there's still 10 mins + to play. At least make an effort you bunch of fairies. Why not give Clark ago? FFS.
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Yeah, the spurs fans are singing going down m'lord
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Pay your tax m'lord
Going down m'lord
Fair play boys, fair play.
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Jesus, Motson is doing my head in on 5Live. Anyone would think Spurz were playing some Brazil70/Barca hybrid game rather than just beating a very shit Villa side 2-0.
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why is Heskey still on the pitch???? It doesn't make any sense!!
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I hate modric the greasy rat faced git.... Wd love him playing for us but there's more chance of signing Clarridge!!!!
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Fuck me we are shit. As bad as final DOL season.
wose.
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warnock having a mare
GED knew the back 4 was white and would have replaced them. The centre of the park is embarrassing. To think Cabeye was on to sign is depressing.
Ozz, GH would have shaken things up. There is no doubt about that. We need a shake up so very badly.
Just because McLeish is dire, doesn't mean I'm going to get misty eyed for that waste of skin Houllier. Both as bad as each other, just in different ways.
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Commentator is right. Not good enough from a proud club with our history.
The Chairman needs to sell up and concentrate on the browns!
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at least bring Ireland and Nzog on and give it ago for a
10 mins
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We're lucky not to be losing 6-0. Fuck me.
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What hurts the most is that no one player in claret and blue looks at all arsed at this point.
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McLeish will be over the moon with this won't he.
He wanted damage limitation, and only getting beat by 2 is better than beat by 3 !!
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Well done to the Villa fans.
Pay your tax m'lord.....
Going down m'lord..
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I fully expect Stourbridge to be far better than this tomorrow night.... If i have to watch two abject performances in two nights I may explode!
A.B.Y.S.M.A.L
Murphy says normally when 2 down people throw the kitchen sink at the oppo..... Has nobody told him we have been playing the kitchen sink as a washing machine, both of which are a massive improvement on Heskey.
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"a very special football man"
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Gutless tonight, no passion, no pride
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Anyone who still continues to defend McLeish has to question themselves as a Villa fan. And I will challenge them to it.
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at least Monkeyboy was chopped
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what a sad fall from grace... Once a team that was going towards the top four, pushing all the way with such a talented group of young players, to this.
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I've switched off now. I can't take any more pain.
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you employ a bluenose striker, a bluenose manager, and all the bluenose backroom staff and people wonder why we've turned into the fuckin blues.............its a fuckin disgrace, and a few good men stood on the holte steps and tried to stop while the rest of you laughed or mumbled............you reap what you sow and some of you come on here like your fuckin suprised by all this shite
The worst thing we got from the Sty are some of their supporters. I really do wish they'd fuck off back to their holes.
ive had a season ticket on the holte since 83 just seems like some of us are more gutted than others with the sty rats scurrying up and down the halls of villapark........proud history ....they dont knoew the half of it
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Anyone who still continues to defend McLeish has to question themselves as a Villa fan. And I will challenge them to it.
Go on then.
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at least Monkeyboy was chopped
Yep, Petrov took one for the team there.
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thoroughly shit performance off the back of piss poor management
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Why he has left Heskey on and not brought on zog god only knows
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Anyone who still continues to defend McLeish has to question themselves as a Villa fan. And I will challenge them to it.
And as I keep banging on - who sold our best players and appointed him? I'm not defending AM by the way, but I'm not fooled by the old fall guy stunt pulled by Randy.
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What hurts the most is that no one player in claret and blue looks at all arsed at this point.
Herd has done okay but that's about it.
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Anyone who still continues to defend McLeish has to question themselves as a Villa fan. And I will challenge them to it.
What complete nonsense!
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Why he has left Heskey on and not brought on zog god only knows
This.
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What the hell are you on about villaparkb6?
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Ijust want our lads out of there. Start again next match.
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"Token gesture defending" rightly says Murphy.
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Delph...... Marvelous!! Problem solved
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I've switched off now. I can't take any more pain.
Sadly I'm almost at the point of being immune to it. We're shit, and all the time that Lerner owns us, we'll continue to be shit. It's not worth getting overly upset about things.
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Memo to Alex: YOU CAN MAKE MORE THAN ONE SUB IN AN ATTEMPT TO SALVAGE A RESULT FROM 2-0 DOWN.
And Herd for Delph with a few minutes remaining isn't it. Fucking joke.
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Fuck me, Heskey is indestructible.
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Performed like a pub team. Drop the majority of them and give the youngsters a go. It wouldn't be any worse.
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Ijust want our lads out of there. Start again next match.
eh ? It will just be more of the same.
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Delph. We're hanging on for a 0-2 defeat. Diabolical.
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Why can't we ever play a team as bad as us at our meandering worst?
Shades of Liverpool and Man Citeh away last season.
You can blame the tactics tonight to a degree. But regardless of formations, there should be a bit more zip and bite to our play. We just look like we're going through the motions, playing the game almost at testimonial pace.
It's swell that RL likes Big Eck, and is bowled over by his enthusiasm for the game, the way he talks and a few nice tributes from Siralex. I think I'd prefer a manager who didn't send his teams out to keep the score down against galactic superpowers such as Tottingham flaming Hotspur though. He should have ditched that type of mindset when he left his previous employers.
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Defending McLeish for tonight is impossible. The side are not even going into challenges, and Herd is again the only one looking half decent. Bent and Gabby are excused as the rest of the side need to pass to them, not continuously lump it aimlessly. The end of the collins dunne pairing is much needed.
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another defeat on Saturday on Sky then?
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I agree with everything Danny Murphy says. I dunno about neutrals, we're so negative and gutless, *I* almost want Spurs to score...
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I'm not often moved to post, but this has been the most gutless, clueless performance I've seen in years. We seem happy to lose 2-0. We are Aston Villa and should have more pride and desire, we are not some tinpot club along for the ride and this performance shows that the players and manager don't understand that.
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Sorry but the fact we started with the same team that ended the first half has me questioning AM for the first time. Tonight has been embarrassing.
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Not even trying to put up any resistance, shocking!
Bring the kids on for a few games and make Herd captain, cant be any worse
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How on earth does Heskey get to stay on the pitch? What's the point?
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Anyone who still continues to defend McLeish has to question themselves as a Villa fan. And I will challenge them to it.
McLeish has still got my support.
Spurs are a good team this season and I would not be surprised if they finish top 4.
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everyone txting me non-Villa saying its the most lack lustre performance they have ever seen of Villa
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another defeat on Saturday on Sky then?
No way, but only cos it's 1.30 Sunday.
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Unless ball form banan then. Delph on? What a farse. No point in making a sub if thats the change you're going to make. Especially at 88mins
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Beeb
2144: For those of you concerned about a man of Brad Friedel's age standing motionless in this weather, he looks fine. He should have brought a flask of coffee out for the second half though. .
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How on earth does Heskey get to stay on the pitch? What's the point?
Fuck knows. His reason for being is to stem set piece goals, which he has failed to do so over the last 6 weeks.
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Leeg, you might not want to open the PMT - gonna be some spleenage and I reckon three bans.
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Ijust want our lads out of there. Start again next match.
eh ? It will just be more of the same.
No - they are showing fighting spirit but something - the tactics? is awry. Time to look at this and say, ok, what happened and how can we make it better.
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another defeat on Saturday on Sky then?
No way, but only cos it's 1.30 Sunday.
ha ha , thanks for reminding me ;)
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Roll on December.
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Anyone who still continues to defend McLeish has to question themselves as a Villa fan. And I will challenge them to it.
McLeish has still got my support.
Spurs are a good team this season and I would not be surprised if they finish top 4.
They are, and neither would I. But that doesn't make our performance, or the team selection and tactics, any more palatable.
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Murphy talks sense.
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Gutted - just popped out for 5 minutes and thought we might've scored 3 goals, only to find out we haven't. Oh well...
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Ijust want our lads out of there. Start again next match.
eh ? It will just be more of the same.
No - they are showing fighting spirit but something - the tactics? is awry. Time to look at this and say, ok, what happened and how can we make it better.
They're showing nothing.
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Ijust want our lads out of there. Start again next match.
eh ? It will just be more of the same.
No - they are showing fighting spirit but something - the tactics? is awry. Time to look at this and say, ok, what happened and how can we make it better.
I wish I had your blind faith mate.
However, after the shite we have watched all season, I have no hopes
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Any chance of sending this match thread to Randy?
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Thank fuck. Final whistle. Fucking farce. Overpaid can't be arsed crap.
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Anyone who still continues to defend McLeish has to question themselves as a Villa fan. And I will challenge them to it.
And I'll challenge you to a cock fight you big girly.
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Beeb
2144: For those of you concerned about a man of Brad Friedel's age standing motionless in this weather, he looks fine. He should have brought a flask of coffee out for the second half though. .
Quality! In the depths of despair and all that...
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Utter shit
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I think Motson just came as he sucked off Spurs. Twunt.
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Anyone who still continues to defend McLeish has to question themselves as a Villa fan. And I will challenge them to it.
McLeish has still got my support.
Spurs are a good team this season and I would not be surprised if they finish top 4.
They are, and neither would I. But that doesn't make our performance, or the team selection and tactics, any more palatable.
Exactly right. They are a good side OK, but from the moment we handed the team sheets in we were doomed.
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How on earth does Heskey get to stay on the pitch? What's the point?
Fuck knows. His reason for being is to stem set piece goals, which he has failed to do so over the last 6 weeks.
and Spurs are hardly known for pumping in set piece after set piece, anyway. Hopeless stuff.
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I can take the defeat, it's just the nature of it.
We had no clue, we were doing a great impression of a load of jellyfish
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What the hell are you on about villaparkb6?
what part dont you understand? im saying we've been turned into smallheath by poaching their staff, i'm saying the villa fanbase should have caused a riot as soon asit became apparent lerner was after him
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Adding national televised humiliation to defeat through two defensive howlers, after two weeks' rest. They had better be saving their energy for Swansea, because they are going to get hammered by the red teams.
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Anyone who still continues to defend McLeish has to question themselves as a Villa fan. And I will challenge them to it.
And I'll challenge you to a cock fight you big girly.
If you don't moan you're not a Villa supporter. That's original.
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Absolutely abysmal. I was embarrassed watching it. That's what you get when you sell your best players though. Cheers Randy.
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We lost that game as soon as he put the team sheet up. I understand trying to contain the ability of Bale, Lennon, Modric etc, but it wouldnt of mattered if he set up his team with 11 defenders, they still would of beat us and we offer nothing in the few seconds of possesion we had. Footballs changed so much over the last 15 years and its quite obvious the sucessful teams are not the ones who set up negatively and hope to contain and defend for 90 mins. I feel like we're playing an even more prehistoric syle of football then we have ever done and I just hope for once he starts to see that and not set up his team to do the same against Swansea....be it I hold no hope of that against Man.Utd even though I personally think they're there for the taking.
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I think Motson just came as he sucked off Spurs. Twunt.
I quite liked the bit where he used about fourty words, to try to describe what had happened to Redknapp in hospital........ operation is the word you're looking for John, operation.