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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: The Walshmeister on April 16, 2011, 08:28:31 PM
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Ash decides to go in the summer;
If we did a deal with one club and we could do a 'realistic' player plus cash deal, who and what would you go for?
For me, I'd do the deal with Manure and take Carrick + Valencia and 10mill.....
Over to yam.....
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I'm afraid it will be more like £5m and Kyle Walker from Spuds as he's only got a year eft other clubs have us over a barrel.
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That would be the Carrick that's often injured and cost them a place in the final today?
The way Young celebrated our winner today he did't look like a player wanting to leave.
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City with either Milner or Adam Johnson in return please.
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The thing regarding Ash leaving that concerns me slightly is that Liverpool/ManU/Chelsea/Spuds are all possible
options for him (according to the media). If Ash goes to ManU (who must be favourites) then I wonder if Liverpool will turn their attentions towards Downing?
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If we did a deal with one club and we could do a 'realistic' player plus cash deal, who and what would you go for?
For me, I'd do the deal with Manure and take Carrick + Valencia and 10mill.....
How is that 'realistic'?
Straight cash would be better. First team to go to £18m and he can go with my blessing and best wishes.
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The most we will get is £15m if we are lucky, he will be in the last year of his deal and holds all the aces- good luck to him, he's given his all for us and I wish him luck.
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That would be the Carrick that's often injured and cost them a place in the final today?
The way Young celebrated our winner today he did't look like a player wanting to leave.
Young will leave and I'll wager whatever you like. It was my opinion to choose Carrick, I wasn't expecting everyone to agree. You haven't said who you would do a deal with. Unless you believe Young will stay. If you do, I'll take a bet.....
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If we did a deal with one club and we could do a 'realistic' player plus cash deal, who and what would you go for?
For me, I'd do the deal with Manure and take Carrick + Valencia and 10mill.....
How is that 'realistic'?
Straight cash would be better. First team to go to £18m and he can go with my blessing and best wishes.
Because we are rumoured to only let him go for silly money (25mill?) If so, I think Carrick is 5mill, Valencia is 10mill.....you do the math!
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That would be the Carrick that's often injured and cost them a place in the final today?
The way Young celebrated our winner today he did't look like a player wanting to leave.
Young will leave and I'll wager whatever you like. It was my opinion to choose Carrick, I wasn't expecting everyone to agree. You haven't said who you would do a deal with. Unless you believe Young will stay. If you do, I'll take a bet.....
I didn't realise observations were not allowed. Rather than make any more on your thread i'll just hand you back your toys.
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I think Randy would be ok with Ash playing out his contract and leaving for nothing at the end of NEXT season. Remember he spunked out £18-£24m on Darren Bent!
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If we did a deal with one club and we could do a 'realistic' player plus cash deal, who and what would you go for?
For me, I'd do the deal with Manure and take Carrick + Valencia and 10mill.....
How is that 'realistic'?
Straight cash would be better. First team to go to £18m and he can go with my blessing and best wishes.
Because we are rumoured to only let him go for silly money (25mill?) If so, I think Carrick is 5mill, Valencia is 10mill.....you do the math!
Man Utd paid £15m for Valencia and he has become a much better player since he moved there. He also seems to be main difference in Rooney looking brilliant and awful. I don't see see how that justifies a decrease of £5m in his value.
There's also no way Young will be going for as much as £25m.
Incidentally, it's "maths'.
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Utopia would be a swap for Milner
I think he'll go to Utd for cash, around £22m
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If we did a deal with one club and we could do a 'realistic' player plus cash deal, who and what would you go for?
For me, I'd do the deal with Manure and take Carrick + Valencia and 10mill.....
How is that 'realistic'?
Straight cash would be better. First team to go to £18m and he can go with my blessing and best wishes.
Because we are rumoured to only let him go for silly money (25mill?) If so, I think Carrick is 5mill, Valencia is 10mill.....you do the math!
Man Utd paid £15m for Valencia and he has become a much better player since he moved there. He also seems to be main difference in Rooney looking brilliant and awful. I don't see see how that justifies a decrease of £5m in his value.
There's also no way Young will be going for as much as £25m.
Incidentally, it's "maths'.
Incidentally, not when you're an American!
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Fair point. You're let off then.
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Utopia would be a swap for Milner
I think he'll go to Utd for cash, around £22m
aye. be superb if we got Milner back. Have no complaints if Young moves on really. You'll always struggle to keep your best players where were are currently
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Haven't we learnt a lesson about taking a player as a make-weight?
Cash only.
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I'd rather he didn't leave, if he goes to a team who will challenge for the title though fair enough, he's given us good service. We will just need the best deal for him.
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I think he played well today, ran his nuts off, set up the winner and had a couple of cracking shot. He also gets of my bleenin tits. I'd be happy to keep him.
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Ash will certainly leave this summer - I know this - and Man Utd is his preferred destination - Utd only seem to let us have the crap that is past it, so I would rather we just tokk cash!
UTV
9th, who'd 'ave thunk it!
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You watch. 12 mil cash will be all we will get. One year left on his contract. Who is going to pay more than that? city won't, they have enough already at the moment to wait until he is out of contract. Will Man U pay more or wait? doubt it. Only Tottenham will do it. They need cover for Bale and Lennon at the moment so will be happy to pay it. So unless Spurs pay up, 12 mill will be the price for a choice of teams.
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And why another thread about this topic? ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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i fancy liverpool and chelsea to come in for him. get a little bidding war going and who knows?
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Utopia would be a swap for Milner
I think he'll go to Utd for cash, around £22m
he certainly falls over at the slightest touch, i'm sure it hasnt gone unoticed at Utd, they love a player who can dive and cheat like a good un.
can you imagine Nani and A Young in the same team, the refs pea in his whistle would be worn out come full time
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Thats exactly why SAF wants him, he wins lots of free kicks around the box and in the CL/PL for Utd that will be priceless
I'm quoting 22m which yes is over the odds, but i think Ash is wanted by all the top 5 so it will be a bidding war
Shame cos he is a class act
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i fancy liverpool and chelsea to come in for him. get a little bidding war going and who knows?
I think you are right about Liverpool. With Carrol and Suarez up front they are in desperate need of a top class winger to provide service. Nailed on a move to the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' for me.
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I have this uncontrollable urge to have a good suck on a fag.
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i fancy liverpool and chelsea to come in for him. get a little bidding war going and who knows?
I think you are right about Liverpool. With Carrol and Suarez up front they are in desperate need of a top class winger to provide service. Nailed on a move to the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' for me.
Nah, he will want CL exposure
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I have this uncontrollable urge to have a good suck on a fag.
Always thought you batted for the opposition
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i fancy liverpool and chelsea to come in for him. get a little bidding war going and who knows?
I think you are right about Liverpool. With Carrol and Suarez up front they are in desperate need of a top class winger to provide service. Nailed on a move to the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' for me.
Nah, he will want CL exposure
Agreed.
Surely there's no reason he would choose to go to Liverpool when the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea are likely to be interested.
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I have this uncontrollable urge to have a good suck on a fag.
For a minute there i thought you said fuck on a slag. Go for it.
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i fancy liverpool and chelsea to come in for him. get a little bidding war going and who knows?
I think you are right about Liverpool. With Carrol and Suarez up front they are in desperate need of a top class winger to provide service. Nailed on a move to the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' for me.
If you listen to Liverpool fans/reporters they reckon a deal was struck in January for the move in the summer.
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i fancy liverpool and chelsea to come in for him. get a little bidding war going and who knows?
I think you are right about Liverpool. With Carrol and Suarez up front they are in desperate need of a top class winger to provide service. Nailed on a move to the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' for me.
Nah, he will want CL exposure
Agreed.
Surely there's no reason he would choose to go to Liverpool when the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea are likely to be interested.
spot on, and i believe a few foreign clubs are waiting in the wings too
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i fancy liverpool and chelsea to come in for him. get a little bidding war going and who knows?
I think you are right about Liverpool. With Carrol and Suarez up front they are in desperate need of a top class winger to provide service. Nailed on a move to the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' for me.
Nah, he will want CL exposure
Agreed.
Surely there's no reason he would choose to go to Liverpool when the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea are likely to be interested.
not really the point is it. If liverpool offer 15m then the mancs and the rest will have to match it. If RL accepts 15m that is.
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i fancy liverpool and chelsea to come in for him. get a little bidding war going and who knows?
I think you are right about Liverpool. With Carrol and Suarez up front they are in desperate need of a top class winger to provide service. Nailed on a move to the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' for me.
If you listen to Liverpool fans/reporters they reckon a deal was struck in January for the move in the summer.
If you listen to Liverpool fans then you'll probably be wanting to slit your wrists before too long.
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i fancy liverpool and chelsea to come in for him. get a little bidding war going and who knows?
I think you are right about Liverpool. With Carrol and Suarez up front they are in desperate need of a top class winger to provide service. Nailed on a move to the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' for me.
Nah, he will want CL exposure
Agreed.
Surely there's no reason he would choose to go to Liverpool when the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea are likely to be interested.
not really the point is it. If liverpool offer 15m then the mancs and the rest will have to match it. If RL accepts 15m that is.
Indeed. But I would fully expect the likes of Man Utd to match any bid that Liverpool make. Assuming we would accept anything around the £15-18m level they would be getting an absolute bargain for that figure so I don't think there's any reason that they wouldn't match it.
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aye. 15m-18 is a bargain but frankly thats what he's worth given his contract
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if ci£££y get involved you can add another £5m into the blender
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This thread is utterly depressing :'(
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well it is i guess, but i'd be staggered if he stays
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I think we might have a handy bidding war on our hands with Ash so I'm not sure that least year of his contract thing will be hugely relevent.
I reckon the Top 5 will all fancy a piece of him. Happy for Citeh to guzzump everyone by stumping up Milner plus 8 mill or so in compensation for selling us that heap of monkey spunk in Stephen Ireland.
Then when Ash goes the same way as Milner we can do the same thing to them again when Albrighton has become a star and they are sniffing around him.
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I have this uncontrollable urge to have a good suck on a fag.
Well is is Saturday night, why not.
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Weimann is where its at
Ash is sooooooooo 2010
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He's off but let's worry about that in a couple of months
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I don't want Ash to go :(
His celebrations for our winning goal today were great. I love his passion for the Villa and football in general.
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Haven't we learnt a lesson about taking a player as a make-weight?
Cash only.
It's just as easy to buy a shit player as to get one as a make-weight.
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Utopia would be a swap for Milner
I'd rather keep Ash, he's a brilliant player and one the board should spunk money at to make sure he stays.
I still think he'll leave though, sadly.
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They need cover for Bale and Lennon at the moment so will be happy to pay it. So unless Spurs pay up, 12 mill will be the price for a choice of teams.
AY has had a better league season than Bale playing for a struggling side. No way is he a cover player and I think he'd tell Spurs to do one if it meant playing understudy to Bale.
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Utopia would be to keep Ash, resign Milner, sign Kim Kallstrom and a couple of extremely good defenders (and a new goalkeeper).
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The way Young celebrated our winner today he did't look like a player wanting to leave.
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That doesnt mean anything, remember gareth barry celebrating at upton park a couple of seasons ago before he wanted to leave for liverpool?
I think ash is as good as gone, we need to get the best deal possible!
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Going back to the whole "we'll only get peanuts because he's got one year left on his contract" - there are rumours today that Arsenal will sell Samir Nasri in the summer because he only has one year left as well.
How much do people think they are likely to get for him? I bet the likes of £25m+ will still be thrown around even with only 12 months left on his deal.
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Can't see an obvious swap deal and you often wonder if the players hearts in it. Think he'llwant CL football, but would take kranjkar from spuds.
A like for like replacement would be N'zogbia who
looks good for me. But we might decide we need a
second striker or proper number 10 instead. In which
case kranjkar, petric, bojan, sturridge, dembele, gervinho, zidan.
But other areas take priority. We could decide that albrighton or gabby come in for him.
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I would think N'Zogbia must be on the radar to replace him. Or there will be someone Houllier has in mind.
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Anyone but Spurs
Man ure £18m and he can warm the bench, Saying that if he played like yesterday I'd keep him but I don't think he wants to say to be honest
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I would think N'Zogbia must be on the radar to replace him. Or there will be someone Houllier has in mind.
Good player, think we may go for him and Larson from sha
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I would think N'Zogbia must be on the radar to replace him. Or there will be someone Houllier has in mind.
Good player, think we may go for him and Larson from sha
Id prefer Jarvis and Larsson is off to Spain
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The only way Spurs or Liverpool would have a chance of signing Ashley Young would be if they get into the Champions' League. Those chances are slim to zero in the case of Liverpool.
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With his celebration and the fact that he'd got his dr.dre headphones in claret suggest to me that he's going nowhere. I'd love him to stay, even if he only signs a 2 year extension with an agreement that he can go in 2 years if he so wishes, for an acceptable fee. I think from an attacking point of view we can get rid of Carew and Heskey in the summer and sign a younger version of them, and otherwise keep it the same.
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If his heart is not in the club then let him go and re sign Milner....he's got loads more energy and better defencive and tracking back qualities
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If his heart is not in the club then let him go and re sign Milner....he's got loads more energy and better defencive and tracking back qualities
Yes, but that's hardly because Young's are so bad. In fact one of the best things about him is how remarkably hard he works. Him and Milner on the wings were a big part of why we almost never conceded from crosses one year. We conceded from everything else, mind, but rarely crosses.
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I don't want Ash to go :(
His celebrations for our winning goal today were great. I love his passion for the Villa and football in general.
His celebrations were great but I fear his passion is for football and not Villa in particular.
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I don't want Ash to go :(
His celebrations for our winning goal today were great. I love his passion for the Villa and football in general.
His celebrations were great but I fear his passion is for football and not Villa in particular.
I do think he has an affinity for the club, though. The only reason he wants to leave is because, in fairness, you only get one career and he wants to make the most of it.
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Did anybody see N'Zogbia's (Ashley's potential replacement) goal against Blackpool?
Class, If a Manure or Spurs player had done it, it would have filled the back page of every national.
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Did anybody see N'Zogbia's (Ashley's potential replacement) goal against Blackpool?
Class, If a Manure or Spurs player had done it, it would have filled the back page of every national.
Yes. Would like him as Ash's replacement if he goes. I like Hoilett(sp?) at Blackburn too. And that bloke who's not getting a chance at Man City...Miller is it? Or Milner? Treats cramp for the other players.
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I think yesterday outlined just how important Ashley Young is for us. He never gives up, and his perseverance set up Gabby perfectly.
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Did anybody see N'Zogbia's (Ashley's potential replacement) goal against Blackpool?
Class, If a Manure or Spurs player had done it, it would have filled the back page of every national.
Yes. Would like him as Ash's replacement if he goes. I like Hoilett(sp?) at Blackburn too. And that bloke who's not getting a chance at Man City...Miller is it? Or Milner? Treats cramp for the other players.
If Jimmy came back, then hot white coconuts would explode from my long veiny tree.
We miss him badly, but I can't see him coming back.
Wouldn't hurt to try though.
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His celebration for our winner reminded me a bit of Barry's celebration when he scored at the same ground on the last day of the 2007/8 season. A few weeks before making it very clear he wanted to leave..
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I really wan't AY to stay but if he does go I would rather he go to a side like ManUre where at least he has gone to better himself on terms of winning things
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I suppose it's not unthinkable that he signs a new contract where we throw money at him but there is a clause in his transfer that he is allowed to speak to anyone who offers a reasonable but not stupid amount for him (£20m-£25m) like the deal Sergio Aguero signed with Atletico Madrid in January.
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I think the image of James Milner playing physiotherapist after yesterdays semi-final should make Ash think seriously about wether he wants to leave us or not.
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If we get the 3 points against Stoke which would almost certainly see us safe, and if Ashley is still refusing to sign a contract before the season ends, should we leave him out of the team for the last matches to give Albrighton or others game time?
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If we get the 3 points against Stoke which would almost certainly see us safe, and if Ashley is still refusing to sign a contract before the season ends, should we leave him out of the team for the last matches to give Albrighton or others game time?
No, he's still our most potent attacking threat and we're paying him a fair wedge, best to get the use out of him while we still have him.
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If we get the 3 points against Stoke which would almost certainly see us safe, and if Ashley is still refusing to sign a contract before the season ends, should we leave him out of the team for the last matches to give Albrighton or others game time?
Don't think so - that would just put his nose out of joint and he'd be absolutely certain not to sign in the summer. Play him right to the end - an extra couple of points could be an extra couple of places up the league and so extra revenue.
For what it's worth I don't think he'll sign anyway and would be very surprised if he's here next season
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Lets play him for the last 5 games and just enjoy watching him in his autumn years at Villa
Interesting that Petrov got the armband back yesterday
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Ash decides to go in the summer;
If we did a deal with one club and we could do a 'realistic' player plus cash deal, who and what would you go for?
For me, I'd do the deal with Manure and take Carrick + Valencia and 10mill.....
Over to yam.....
Realistic? Then you say Carrick & Valencia? & £10m? UberLOLz.
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I think Ashley Young will go to Man Utd or Liverpool for around £16m maximum.
If we were to get a swap deal than maybe £12m + Joe Cole from Liverpool?
Or even £8m & Kyle Walker from Spurs? If they were keen.
Maybe Wellbeck from Man Utd? If he isn't involved in a swap deal to take Rodwell to TTOD. ( ;) )
£25m just isnt going to happen with 12 months left.
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I'll still be amazed if Manure want him.
I reckon Liverpool.
Would love to keep Walker, but i'd be tempted to convert him to right midfield.
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SAF has watched Young himself personally on numerous occassions, he is Utd bound I fear
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Lets play him for the last 5 games and just enjoy watching him in his autumn years at Villa
Interesting that Petrov got the armband back yesterday
Technically Petrov is still club captain? It would have been a bit of an insult not to give it to him
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SAF has watched Young himself personally on numerous occassions, he is Utd bound I fear
Tend to agree and to be honest I wouldn't begrudge him a move to them - genuine opportunity to win stuff rather than just padding out his bank balance
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The plus side is it will allow Albrighton his big break of regular game time and he is some player
I think we are getting Larson too and I rate him highly also
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Lets play him for the last 5 games and just enjoy watching him in his autumn years at Villa
Interesting that Petrov got the armband back yesterday
Petrov was captain v the Barcodes too.
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SAF has watched Young himself personally on numerous occassions, he is Utd bound I fear
Tend to agree and to be honest I wouldn't begrudge him a move to them - genuine opportunity to win stuff rather than just padding out his bank balance
If he does go, then Man Utd would be the best destination Villa-wise. Realistically, we're not in competition with them but we are with Liverpool and Spurs. So lets keep him away from them
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Lets play him for the last 5 games and just enjoy watching him in his autumn years at Villa
Interesting that Petrov got the armband back yesterday
Petrov was captain v the Barcodes too.
as he should be
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The plus side is it will allow Albrighton his big break of regular game time and he is some player
I think we are getting Larson too and I rate him highly also
Bloody hell.
Larsson would be a sub standard replacement for him.
He's reasonable enough, but he can't cause panic in defences like Ash can.
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Lets play him for the last 5 games and just enjoy watching him in his autumn years at Villa
Interesting that Petrov got the armband back yesterday
Technically Petrov is still club captain? It would have been a bit of an insult not to give it to him
To be fair there is nothing technical about it, Petrov is the club Captain, so when he plays he where's the band.
There is still hope Ashley might stay. Fingers crossed
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I'll still be amazed if Manure want him.
Because he's still one of the very best wingers in the league and will be available for a fraction of what he's actually worth.
They'd be mental not to sign him.
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He'll be off. High teens, maybe low twenties and probably to Man United. Liverpool and Spurs (who I am pretty sure will sell Bale) will also be interested.
No makeweights please and especially not useless arseholes like Cole and Carrick.
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I really want Larsson.
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Still zzzzzzzzzz.
He will probably be on his way. Does it really matter the destination? The challenge is how much we get for him.
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I really want Larsson.
I get the feeling that if he came to us then GH would play him in the middle, kind of in the Petrov role.
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City with either Milner or Adam Johnson in return please.
This.
I can't see City being interested in him though.
Think it will be a straight cash deal anyway wherever he goes.
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Ci£££y may get involved just to gazump ManUre, who knows
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I think he is quite simply one of the best players in the Premier League. It's a crying shame that none of us can see Villa being able to retain his services. It seems hugely unlikely that we would be willing to match the financial offers he will recieve from other clubs, let alone his sporting ambitions.
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I'm pretty sure we'd be willing to break the bank to keep him.
If he has the chance to move to Man Utd though then he'd be daft not to go for it.
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I'm sure we'd be happy to have him as our highest earner but I don't think we would offer him the kind of money that Man Utd, Man City or Chelsea would.
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Incidentally, it's "maths'.
*thumbs up*
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I reckon we'll offer more than man u. More than anyone except city I suspect.
Keeping young would be a huge statement of intent and the extra money could be recovered by selling downing.
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To summarise my feelings. Ashley Young is our best player. We shouldn't be considering selling him under any circumstances. However I'm enough of a realist to understand that he holds the power and if he won't sign a new contract then we would have to sell this summer to gain maximum value. If thats the case and Messrs Lerner, Faulkner and Houllier can't persuade him to stay (and that should be there number 1 priority onced the liverpool game is out of the way) then bidding starts at £20m. He would improve every one of the top 5 in the left midfield position apart from maybe Citeh and because of that we're in a strong position if a few of them want him.
The one caveat I have onYoung and where I disagree with Houllier is that his best position for me is left wing/midfield. He's not good enough to play the withdrawn striker role as he doesn't possess the range of passing that the true masters in that position provide. His workrate, crossing ability, pace and ability to beat a man are better deployed out wide where he gets more space.
And as for people suggesting we should sell Downing, words fail me. Best and most consistent player this season by a country mile.
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The one caveat I have onYoung and where I disagree with Houllier is that his best position for me is left wing/midfield. He's not good enough to play the withdrawn striker role as he doesn't possess the range of passing that the true masters in that position provide. His workrate, crossing ability, pace and ability to beat a man are better deployed out wide where he gets more space.
And as for people suggesting we should sell Downing, words fail me. Best and most consistent player this season by a country mile.
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With you on that. Downing has been our best player this season. He should defintaley get player of the year.
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Downing is going as well. The Sunday papers decided that months ago. Do keep up.
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Without Downing this season we would have a step closer to relegation.
It would be great if both Young and Downing stayed and if GH can get the best out of Young consistently we will just need to eradicate the defensive failures and we'll be a very good team again.
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I think they are both staying. Downing has been tremendous this year. Young has had a poorer run, but his work ethic and desire to win is always there, and last two games has been unplayable once more. I think Milner becoming a bit part player at City will work in our favour. Our team should be built around these two, and they will be revered and first names on the sheet. I think that counts for something....
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I think they are both staying. Downing has been tremendous this year. Young has had a poorer run, but his work ethic and desire to win is always there, and last two games has been unplayable once more. I think Milner becoming a bit part player at City will work in our favour. Our team should be built around these two, and they will be revered and first names on the sheet. I think that counts for something....
Hope you're correct Moet !
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According to the Rumour Mill he's off to Liverpool. We should be able to resist them lot though, they can't give him chumps football and I can't see Dagleish getting them back in the top four next season, he just has momentum behind him at the moment.
Linky: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/18/football-transfer-rumours-ashley-young
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He didnt celebrate like someone who was on his way to Liverpool when he set up the winner
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End of this season we will sell ashley young. Next season we will sell downing.
Barry, Milner, Young, Downing.
Anybody else spot the depressing pattern to all this.
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He didnt celebrate like someone who was on his way to Liverpool when he set up the winner
Wouldn't read too much into that. Winning a game in the last minute, setting up the winner, adrenalin pumping.
Am sure a few said the same about Barry when he celebrated a goal, ironically at West Ham as well.
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End of this season we will sell ashley young. Next season we will sell downing.
Barry, Milner, Young, Downing.
Anybody else spot the depressing pattern to all this.
Wow. I imagine that post to be delivered in a listless monotone, perhaps as a solitary, silent tear slides down the nose.
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End of this season we will sell ashley young. Next season we will sell downing.
Barry, Milner, Young, Downing.
Anybody else spot the depressing pattern to all this.
Is it that only the first two have happened?
In all seriousness, I wouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves.
Players come and go. We just have to keep the quality coming in and making best use of whatever we get for the players when they leave.
We didn't miss Barry in my opinion, we certainly have missed Milner, we may or may not lose Young and we may or may not replace him adequately. Let's just see what happens first.
Obviously, we all want Young to stay (apart from the odd cretin).
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End of this season we will sell ashley young. Next season we will sell downing.
Barry, Milner, Young, Downing.
Anybody else spot the depressing pattern to all this.
It's not a pattern that should be of concern as much as it is the reasoning behind this, which is that the players think they'll win more elsewhere. And of course the wonga.
Spurs were in a similar position a frew years ago losing Berbatov and Carrick to Man Utd, but now they can keep hold of their better players as they're in the CL. And that's the key for us to be able not so much to keep our batter players, but to stop them wanting to leave!
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Ash is hitting form at the right time. Obviously, playing where he's best really helps. Ged pulled a boner by playing Gabby and Young out of position for so much of the season. We look so much better when Young is out wide, and also when Gabby plays in the middle.
Had we played to peoples strengths more often this year, we'd be a lot more comfortable than we are. I don't think we'd be pushing top 6, but we'd be within touching distance of Everton I reckon, and have top 8 sewn up.
I really hope he stays. As he's shown fleetingly this season (part form, part tactics), he's our most talented player by some distance. Replacing him will be tough. I hope that he values being the big dog of a team more than just picking up a big paycheque to play for one of the big boys with a lot less regularity, and notoriety. He won't have as much impact for City as he does here, as Milner knows. Same goes for most of his other suitors, like Utd and Chelsea, maybe even Spurs if he's there along with Bale and VDV.
Liverpool I do worry about. Depends if they have that cash ready at hand. But I think he'd be superb for them, and just what they need.
However could he ever be a Kop legend? I don't think so. Could he be a Villa legend? Without question. We'll see.
Finish on a flourish, and try to pass 50 points (O Neills first season total), and he might feel there's enough potential here that we can challenge again, with the right backing. He might give us one more year. Fingers crossed.
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I don't think Young will go for the money, it will be to win things. We haven't won a trophy for 15 years, and now have given up on what was probably only anyway a forlorn punt at the Champions League. He would easily fit into Man Utd's squad - I think Liverpool are beneath him - and if we got a big fee for him I'd say thanks and good luck. He was brilliant on Saturday. Just a shame we probably won't see another season of him and Bent together.
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I think there is still the chance he will sign another contract with us. I also think that if he says he won't that Randy might decide to keep him for next season unless we get a massive bid - £25m+ for him. If we keep him next season and can sign some decent defenders I see no reason with the attacking players we have that we couldn;t give the Champions LEague qualification antoher tilt.
Randy knows how important Young is. If we could only get himt o sign another contract I think the lift it would give would be immense.
At some point if we really do haveambitions we have to stop selling our best players.
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End of this season we will sell ashley young. Next season we will sell downing.
Barry, Milner, Young, Downing.
Anybody else spot the depressing pattern to all this.
Is it that only the first two have happened?
In all seriousness, I wouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves.
Players come and go. We just have to keep the quality coming in and making best use of whatever we get for the players when they leave.
We didn't miss Barry in my opinion, we certainly have missed Milner, we may or may not lose Young and we may or may not replace him adequately. Let's just see what happens first.
Obviously, we all want Young to stay (apart from the odd cretin).
Spot on! Spurs went through a long period of selling their best players and reinvesting the money wisely and it didn't do them any harm in the long run. As long as we follow the same model I won't have a problem with it.
I don't want Ashley to go, but I think he will this summer. But I also think there will be a bit of a bidding war for him so we can push up his price above and beyond the norm for a last year of contract.
Say we get £15-18m for him and then spend £12m on Gervinho or £8-10m on Dimitri Payet, position covered and money left over to spend
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SAF has watched Young himself personally on numerous occassions, he is Utd bound I fear
Tend to agree and to be honest I wouldn't begrudge him a move to them - genuine opportunity to win stuff rather than just padding out his bank balance
Read an article that said Ash would be going to Man U as he has seen how continental refs in the Champions League take notice when players are fouled much more than english refs in PL do. He feels that he would be more appreciated and obviously Man U would get a hell of a lot more free kicks!!!
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I probably didn't explain myself very well. I don't want to sell Downing (or young). But in order to keep young we'll have to offer him big bucks. Therefore this money will need to be recovered elsewhere.
I think the opportunity cost of keeping young and losing downing would be worth it. Unfirtunately we cannot afford to keep both in my opinion.
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He didnt celebrate like someone who was on his way to Liverpool when he set up the winner
As much as he's probably my favourite player, Ashley's celebration looked like that of someone filled with a bit too much self-importance. Rather than running over to Gabby to celebrate, he looked to lap-up the adoration of the Villans behind the goal for creating the goal. Cupping the ear, showing the name on the back of his shirt etc.
Nowt really wrong with that, especially when you deliver the goods, but if he goes to a bigger club I think he'd feel a tit doing the ''worship me'' routine every time he scores/makes a goal.
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I probably didn't explain myself very well. I don't want to sell Downing (or young). But in order to keep young we'll have to offer him big bucks. Therefore this money will need to be recovered elsewhere.
I think the opportunity cost of keeping young and losing downing would be worth it. Unfirtunately we cannot afford to keep both in my opinion.
I think we can. It's an issue of the overall wagebill and by losing some non-playing high earners (Beye, Sidwell, Davies) and replacing them with the kids (Lichaj, Bannan, Clark), a process we've already started, we save enough that the required wage rise for Ash is affordable, unless he's after Man City scale wages.
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He didnt celebrate like someone who was on his way to Liverpool when he set up the winner
As much as he's probably my favourite player, Ashley's celebration looked like that of someone filled with a bit too much self-importance. Rather than running over to Gabby to celebrate, he looked to lap-up the adoration of the Villans behind the goal for creating the goal. Cupping the ear, showing the name on the back of his shirt etc.
Nowt really wrong with that, especially when you deliver the goods, but if he goes to a bigger club I think he'd feel a tit doing the ''worship me'' routine every time he scores/makes a goal.
I think you’re reading too much into a spontaneous reaction to a last minute winner in a vital game.
I got a call a couple of minutes after the goal and couldn't string two words together I was so hyped up, I imagine for those involved it was 100 times that.
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Fair enough, I just think he does it a bit too often as if it's the Ashley Young show.
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His best performance in a Villa shirt for me on sat, and i think he will go in the summer, and if we get any more than £15m, then i think we will have done well.
What it does depend on is AYoungs attitude in the contract discussions, if he is insistent on only going to one club, then really our hands are tied.Hopefully he will not be like that, and my preference would be Spuds, with a deal involving Walker, who i think will become a very valuable player for us.
Carrick...no, Valencia....won't happen, Walcott.....possibly,
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we got £14m for Barry in a similar scenario
Ash is worth a lot more, & there are more clubs sniffing so £20m is realistic
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He didnt celebrate like someone who was on his way to Liverpool when he set up the winner
As much as he's probably my favourite player, Ashley's celebration looked like that of someone filled with a bit too much self-importance. Rather than running over to Gabby to celebrate, he looked to lap-up the adoration of the Villans behind the goal for creating the goal. Cupping the ear, showing the name on the back of his shirt etc.
Nowt really wrong with that, especially when you deliver the goods, but if he goes to a bigger club I think he'd feel a tit doing the ''worship me'' routine every time he scores/makes a goal.
i had gone corporate on saturday and for 20 minutes the west ham chanted, ashley youre a kaahhnt, ashley ashley youre a kaahhnnt.
if i had just set up the winner, pointing to my name on the back of my shirt would have been the least i would have done!
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Yeah, but it's the Villa fans he was celebrating in front of. It's not a big issue, just I wouldn't pin hopes on Young staying partly/wholly based on how delighted he seems when he's celebrating.
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we got £14m for Barry in a similar scenario
Ash is worth a lot more, & there are more clubs sniffing so £20m is realistic
The figure for Barry was £12m.
If more than one club want him it will become an auction and the price will go up. I'd be a bit annoyed if he went to Liverpool or even Spurs if the miss out on the Champions League.
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I think he'll go Liverpool. They need someone to cross to Suarez and Carroll.
Spurs don't need him if they keep VdV and Bale.
I'm more concerned we keep hold of Downing.
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Why would he go to Liverpool ? they are not any closer to Europe next season than we are. Man U will be his destination to be Giggs understudy.
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The name is still a big draw hence why Carroll and Suarez both went there. And Daglish seems to be getting the feel good factor back there after the malaise they were in under Benitez and Woy.
I think he'd be in a Milner situation if he went to United as they have Nani, Park and Valencia who all play out wide.
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I don't really care where he goes and I don't understand why anybody else does. He is not going to be a Villa player next season, we all know that, so what is the point in talking about which club will get his services? I hope he warms the bench of whichever club he chooses, loses his England place (like Milner) and then regrets ever leaving. Fuck him. He is not our concern any more. (As soon as the season ends that is).
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Can we not see if he leaves first before ripping him to bits?
We all know it's a strong possibility but it's not yet a certainty.
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Can we not see if he leaves first before ripping him to bits?
We all know it's a strong possibility but it's not yet a certainty.
Isn't it? I would be amazed if he stays, absolutely amazed. If he stays and signs a new deal I think I'd collapse with shock. He is not going to be a Villa player next season and I think most have already accepted that.
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I'd be suprised if he stays too but he hasnt gone yet. It's not yet a certainty.
And if he goes he'll have given us 5 years and always done his best. I don't begrudge him moving on if that's what he wants.
I do know he is very fond of this club though so we'll see what happens.
I wouldn't put money on him staying, put it that way, but you never know.
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http://http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-transfer-news-Manchester-United-target-Ashley-Young-claims-his-future-will-be-sorted-in-just-over-a-month-article725344.html
Not sure this says anything we didn't already know
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He seems a bit more positive on staying than you'd think though.
He's probably trying to make sure that some of our fans won't give him pelters for buggering off.
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Id managed to convince myself that Barry and Milner were gonna stay and then ended up been pissed off even more when they did eventually leave, so im not gonna make the same mistake again as in all honesty I think he will go and i'll wish him well..... As long as it aint bloody Spurs or Man City.
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way i see it is milner and barry could argue we weren't CL bound but we were there or there abouts. Barrry, well he put in a long shift with us but he shouldn't have gone public. Milner well he was fucked over by MON in the press whether you think he was desperate to leave or not. Young has benefited immensly from joining Villa but so have we from his presence. We're 2 seasons from getting back to where we were IMO, so fair enough. if he's offered a gig at a top 4 club you can't blame him
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I'd be suprised if he stays too but he hasnt gone yet. It's not yet a certainty.
And if he goes he'll have given us 5 years and always done his best. I don't begrudge him moving on if that's what he wants.
I do know he is very fond of this club though so we'll see what happens.
I wouldn't put money on him staying, put it that way, but you never know.
The minute he said
'I don't want to talk about contracts till the end of the season' he was off.
A happy player will snap a club's hand off to get a contract signed and sealed straight away.
He hasn't put his cards on the table as he didn't want to alienate the supporters.
He's out of here, sadly.
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I think we'll be right back up there next season with a bit of cute wheeler dealing in the summer.
Top 4 will be very tough to break though, as usual.
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I'd be suprised if he stays too but he hasnt gone yet. It's not yet a certainty.
And if he goes he'll have given us 5 years and always done his best. I don't begrudge him moving on if that's what he wants.
I do know he is very fond of this club though so we'll see what happens.
I wouldn't put money on him staying, put it that way, but you never know.
The minute he said
'I don't want to talk about contracts till the end of the season' he was off.
A happy player will snap a club's hand off to get a contract signed and sealed straight away.
He hasn't put his cards on the table as he didn't want to alienate the supporters.
He's out of here, sadly.
Maybe. I am... (sits in meditative position) prepared for it.
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Nothing new here really - Young on SSN: http://dlvr.it/NyyX1
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I just hope Obatan / Gibson / Evans / O'Shea are not part of the deal
No cast offs thanks, just the £25m
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A few weeks ago I felt that Young wasn't really playing that well, didn't look committed at all and could have been subbed in a few games. His level and attitude had all the hallmarks of a player who couldn't wait for the summer to come so he could move on.
But at West Ham (which is the only game I've been to all season, so maybe I've been harsh on him) he played brilliantly once he got on the ball. In the second half he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch in terms of technique. And his workrate was excellent too.
One moment that stand out was after Heskey went off and he was playing behind Bent - showed for the ball in central midfield with his back to goal, dropped a shoulder and turned left but in one movement went into a double drag-back turn through two defenders and slid a ball the other direction to Gabby on the left-wing - breathtaking piece of skill.
I don't think we've seen him do that enough for the last few years and, really, he probably needs a move to step up to a consistent higher level. Anyone else got the feeling he's stagnated a bit and not made the most of his talent? That's why I do care about where he goes - because I'd like to see him become a great player.
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I just hope Obatan / Gibson / Evans / O'Shea are not part of the deal
No cast offs thanks, just the £25m
How about Hernandez?
Very unlikely, but would be good if it works out.
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I don't think he has stagnated. I think we got better as a team, which means he hasn't stood out as much as he did at first.
Everyone appears to agree that Downing has had a very good season with 6 goals and 8 assists, Ashley has 6 goals and 9 assists (5th in PL) even though he has been playing in a new position most of the season.
One of his key attributes is that he is consistent, you can almost guarantee that he will create chances every game. I think Ashley is 2nd only to Fabregas in assists since 2006/7 with Gerrard and Lampard the only other 2 players close to him.
I think we may be surprised by the price we get if he goes in the summer because I think every team at the top of the league will want him and just as importantly, will want to prevent their rivals from getting him. That's if he doesn't go to one of the big clubs abroad.
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I just hope Obatan / Gibson / Evans / O'Shea are not part of the deal
No cast offs thanks, just the £25m
How about Hernandez?
Very unlikely, but would be good if it works out.
No chance of that possibly get Michada now or Smalling
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No thanks on both counts.
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Smalling's their third choice centre-back - he won't be part of any deal.
And Villadawg, off the top of my head Young scored about 8 goals and made another 15/16 in 07/08 - and at the end of that season the general consensus amongst football supporters/commentators in the whole country was that he was destined to be an England regular and world class player.
Correct me if those stats are wildly inaccurate but he has probably stayed at about the same level since - though his freekicks seem to have dropped way down - and I think in light of that he has stagnated a little, or at least not fulfilled his potential.
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Smalling: the man's a mystery to me. I just don't get it.
Anyway, our Ashley: I always think he gets harshly judged. I can't see how anyone can fault his effort, his energy, his commitment, and his contribution to the team. He could do some things better, yes, but he's given us fantastic value since the day he signed. His appearance record is impressive.
I'm expecting him to go, but I hope he goes somewhere where he gets CL football, and genuinely steps up to the next level. Man Utd, Arsenal - I think he deserves to play under Ferguson or Wenger. I'd be pissed off if he ends up at City, Spurs - even Chelsea.
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Everyone appears to agree that Downing has had a very good season with 6 goals and 8 assists, Ashle has 6 goals and 9 assists (5th in PL) even though he has been playing in a new position most of the season.
How many of Ashley's goals have been penalties though? Cracking free-kick against Bolton but he's scored, two/three goals from open play, whereas Downing's have all been like that.
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Tom Ross
Ashley Young says he’s fully committed to the club and he’ll talk about his future with Houllier and Lerner at the end of the season #avfc
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Maybe, if the rumours about a signing being shown round yesterday are true, and Ashley see that players are being brought in early, he might decide to stay. Playing at club level with the England centre forward will assist his future no doubt, as would having Downing a regular in the England team. (I'm saying this well aware that the media have now anointed Carroll as the long term answer to all Englands needs for a No.9!!!!)
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Tom Ross
Ashley Young says he’s fully committed to the club and he’ll talk about his future with Houllier and Lerner at the end of the season #avfc
Well in Tom.
Cribbed from every website in the country.
He'll be doing an exclusive on Neil Armstrong setting foot on the Moon next.
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Neighbour of mine works for the police said that when he drove past Young's house other day a 'For Sale' board was up. No reason to disbelieve this info as he's a genuine guy so make of it what you will.
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He wants to move house?
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Neighbour of mine works for the police said that when he drove past Young's house other day a 'For Sale' board was up. No reason to disbelieve this info as he's a genuine guy so make of it what you will.
Whoever he is joining, you can bet that the deal was done months ago.
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Neighbour of mine works for the police said that when he drove past Young's house other day a 'For Sale' board was up. No reason to disbelieve this info as he's a genuine guy so make of it what you will.
Whoever he is joining, you can bet that the deal was done months ago.
Bairstow Eves? Barnard Marcus? cubitt 7 west? You're right though the contracts have probably been exchanged already.
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Neighbour of mine works for the police said that when he drove past Young's house other day a 'For Sale' board was up. No reason to disbelieve this info as he's a genuine guy so make of it what you will.
I thought he'd already moved back to Hertfordshire ??
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Yeah there was a rumour doing the rounds a while back that he'd moved back down south fuelling rumours he was Spurzz bound IIRC
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Perhaps he has, but the house he owns in B'ham is up for sale.
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Perhaps he has, but the house he owns in B'ham is up for sale.
Seems a bit odd that such a high profile footballer who is constantly in the news re imminent transfer would put a For Sale board up for all to see
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His house is for sale, I know it to be true. But whatever happens he's about to sign his biggest ever contract; he's only got a year left so should he stay or leave he's going to get a massive signing on bonus. I wouldn't look into the for sale signs too much.
However, he is off.
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Perhaps he has, but the house he owns in B'ham is up for sale.
Seems a bit odd that such a high profile footballer who is constantly in the news re imminent transfer would put a For Sale board up for all to see
Oh I don't know.
The World has already seen his Tallywhacker, Via the News of the world.
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His house has been for sale for ages.
I heard he'd bought a new pad months ago. May even have been last summer.
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I'd hold no grudges if he left this summer or next but I'd prefer he went earlier, as I'm sure most others would be. I'd be amazed if we got anywhere near the amounts that have been banded around in this thread so far, though. I'd say Liverpool for 12M would be a realistic bet but a swap deal with Spurs involving cash plus Walker would be my ideal choice.
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Perhaps he has, but the house he owns in B'ham is up for sale.
The Hagley/Stourbridge border is not Birmingham!
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Perhaps he has, but the house he owns in B'ham is up for sale.
The Hagley/Stourbridge border is not Birmingham!
........and its owned by the club !
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I'll miss the little bugger. I think he'll do well at Liverpool where he's blatantly gonna go.
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if he goes this really is a bad trend for the club.........
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if he goes this really is a bad trend for the club.........
or an opportunity for a hungry new/incomer and a refreshing change for the club...
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A rumour I heard yesturday, gabby broke down in his car and told the recovery man he is defiantly staying, but Ash is waiting for Arsenel or Spurs.
I can't believe that myself, why go spurs unless they sell one of there top players, which then defeats the object of goin there.
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A rumour I heard yesturday, gabby broke down in his car and told the recovery man he is defiantly staying, but Ash is waiting for Arsenel or Spurs.
I can't believe that myself, why go spurs unless they sell one of there top players, which then defeats the object of goin there.
When I read that I thought Gabby had been found crying in his car!
Could only see Spurs being interested in Ash if they lose Bale - if they do sell Bale (which would only be for silly money imho) maybe we could do a deal with Spurs involving cash + Walker for Ash
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A rumour I heard yesturday, gabby broke down in his car and told the recovery man he is defiantly staying, but Ash is waiting for Arsenel or Spurs.
I can't believe that myself, why go spurs unless they sell one of there top players, which then defeats the object of goin there.
When I read that I thought Gabby had been found crying in his car!
Yeah so did I :)
I really can't believe that A) Gabby broke down in a Ferrari or B) That he's going to tell a recovery man that AY is waiting for Arsenal or Spurs. He'll never sign for Arsenal. Spurs? Maybe but if bale stays he'll be warming the bench like Milner is
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I'd hold no grudges if he left this summer or next but I'd prefer he went earlier, as I'm sure most others would be. I'd be amazed if we got anywhere near the amounts that have been banded around in this thread so far, though. I'd say Liverpool for 12M would be a realistic bet but a swap deal with Spurs involving cash plus Walker would be my ideal choice.
£12 million ???
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if he goes this really is a bad trend for the club.........
Bet Spurs said the same when they sold Carrick. Or Keane. Or Berbatov.
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And Bale this summer.
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if he goes this really is a bad trend for the club.........
Bet Spurs said the same when they sold Carrick. Or Keane. Or Berbatov.
The difference is that Spurs spent significantly more on new players than they received from selling players in each of those seasons.
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if he goes this really is a bad trend for the club.........
Bet Spurs said the same when they sold Carrick. Or Keane. Or Berbatov.
The difference is that Spurs spent significantly more on new players than they received from selling players in each of those seasons.
Is that a roundabout implication that we're a selling club?
The last time we had an open transfer window, we quite desperately needed a striker who could be relied on to deliver goals. Our owner then went out and bought the most expensive player in our history, a proven goalscorer, for 18 million, rising to 24 million pounds.
Still, keep on with the sniping if it makes you happy.
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if he goes this really is a bad trend for the club.........
Bet Spurs said the same when they sold Carrick. Or Keane. Or Berbatov.
The difference is that Spurs spent significantly more on new players than they received from selling players in each of those seasons.
Is that a roundabout implication that we're a selling club?
The last time we had an open transfer window, we quite desperately needed a striker who could be relied on to deliver goals. Our owner then went out and bought the most expensive player in our history, a proven goalscorer, for 18 million, rising to 24 million pounds.
Still, keep on with the sniping if it makes you happy.
I'm not fucking sniping. I'm pointing out that even when Spurs were bringing in large transfer from sales, they were still spending all of that and a great deal more on new players. I'm delighted that we chose to spend the money from Milner on Bent.
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Whilst I cant help but feel I'm about to want to slit my throat, what is the net spending figures for Spurs and Villa since Randy came in?
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If "I'm delighted that we chose to spend the money from Milner on Bent" isn't an example of sniping then I don't know what is. That's almost the book definition of it.
However you slice it, Randy still went out and spent 30m of the football club's money on 2 players, plus whatever he is shelling out on wages for those two plus Bradley. Villadawg would only have been happy had we spent a net 30m so that he could then rest easy that Randy wasn't robbing the club blind.
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He moved out of his house in Pedmore months ago (see link) and had a house built in Hertfordshire. During the week he rents an apartment near the Mailbox.
http://residentialsearch.savills.co.uk/property-detail/300088/list/houses-for-sale/england/west-midlands/stourbridge/dy8/0/800000/2000000/5.0/hi/gbp/1
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I'm not fucking sniping.
Right, so one entire sentence later:
I'm delighted that we chose to spend the money from Milner on Bent.
What's that if it isn't sniping?
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Ash is way out of position - playing him in the hole like we do is mad.
When he's on the wing ( right or left) he takes two ( or three) defenders with him, so even if he fumbles about like he does at time, he's still making a nuisance of himself.
Must keep if we can.
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I'm not fucking sniping.
Right, so one entire sentence later:
I'm delighted that we chose to spend the money from Milner on Bent.
What's that if it isn't sniping?
It isn't sniping, it is just a bit of much needed context for this sentence...
... Our owner then went out and bought the most expensive player in our history, a proven goalscorer, for 18 million, rising to 24 million pounds...
What is the point of you and Tonto blowing Randy's trumpet over signing Bent and then getting het up about my pointing out that the money for that transfer was raised by selling Milner 4 months earlier?
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Ash is way out of position - playing him in the hole like we do is mad.
When he's on the wing ( right or left) he takes two ( or three) defenders with him, so even if he fumbles about like he does at time, he's still making a nuisance of himself.
Must keep if we can.
He has been playing on the wing.
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Whilst I cant help but feel I'm about to want to slit my throat, what is the net spending figures for Spurs and Villa since Randy came in?
It’s difficult to know for certain. One of my big bugbears with PL football is the lack of transparency surrounding player transfers and costs.
Soccerbase.com has a decent transfers section but has too many “undisclosed” fees and don’t provide any summary figures so you have to trawl through and make your own calculations. The transfermarkt.co.uk website is the best site I know of for transfer information but it is by no means faultless.
Spurs Transfer revenue and expenditure - Clicky (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/tottenham-hotspur/transferbilanz/verein_148.html)
2010/2011 1.944.800 £ 34 22.352.000 £ 37 -20.407.200 £
2009/2010 27.280.000 £ 37 35.464.000 £ 35 -8.184.000 £
2008/2009 74.844.000 £ 40 125.400.000 £ 40 -50.556.000 £
2007/2008 20.130.000 £ 24 83.732.000 £ 28 -63.602.000 £
2006/2007 34.012.000 £ 23 53.680.000 £ 25 -19.668.000 £
£162,417,200
Villa Transfer revenue and expenditure - Clicky (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/aston-villa/transferbilanz/verein_405.html)
2010/2011 24.992.000 £ 21 32.736.000 £ 16 -7.744.000 £
2009/2010 19.448.000 £ 15 41.272.000 £ 23 -21.824.000 £
2008/2009 3.317.600 £ 15 52.184.000 £ 19 -48.866.400 £
2007/2008 19.052.000 £ 19 21.472.000 £ 12 -2.420.000 £
2006/2007 1.386.000 £ 17 21.736.000 £ 18 -20.350.000 £
£101,204,400
It’s also worth taking into account that when Randy took over, Villa and Spurs were not operating on an level playing field financially. The Villa squad had finished the previous season in 16th and Spurs had missed qualifying for the CL by 2 points. In the five seasons before Randy, Villa spent approx £24m, whilst Spurs spent approx. £97m according to that website.
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if he goes this really is a bad trend for the club.........
Bet Spurs said the same when they sold Carrick. Or Keane. Or Berbatov.
The difference is that Spurs spent significantly more on new players than they received from selling players in each of those seasons.
Barry out: Downing and Delph in
Milner out: Ireland, Makoun and Bent in
Ashley out: ?
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Is this true , If so how depressing
January 2008 Transfers
In:
Wayne Neville Anthony Routledge (£1.5m, Tottenham)
Out:
Zoltán Stieber (loan, Yeovil)
Stephen O'Halloran (loan, Southampton)
Gary Cahill (£5m, Bolton)
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Ash is way out of position - playing him in the hole like we do is mad.
When he's on the wing ( right or left) he takes two ( or three) defenders with him, so even if he fumbles about like he does at time, he's still making a nuisance of himself.
Must keep if we can.
He has been playing on the wing.
He hasn't.
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Ash is way out of position - playing him in the hole like we do is mad.
When he's on the wing ( right or left) he takes two ( or three) defenders with him, so even if he fumbles about like he does at time, he's still making a nuisance of himself.
Must keep if we can.
He has been playing on the wing.
He hasn't.
Oh O.K, I must need my eyes checking then.
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Ash is way out of position - playing him in the hole like we do is mad.
When he's on the wing ( right or left) he takes two ( or three) defenders with him, so even if he fumbles about like he does at time, he's still making a nuisance of himself.
Must keep if we can.
He has been playing on the wing.
He hasn't.
He has.
He may drift in now and again, but his position has been on the wing.
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Limiting Ash to a plain out and out winger would be stupid now. He's too good a player and it makes him and us too predictable. For a full back it is great to know exactly where your man is goingbto be every time.
What has happened recently is that he is notionally a wide player but with the freedom to roam as he sees fit.
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In the first half he stayed on the left quite consistently, in the second he drifted around more.
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What has happened recently is that he is notionally a wide player but with the freedom to roam as he sees fit.
This is his best position for me - starting wide left with licence to come in field.
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I think all the best wingers should be encouraged to drive infield to suit, otherwise they become predictable. But sorry Tim, either you havent been paying attention or you should have gone to specsavers, because recently Young has played wide.
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I'm not fucking sniping.
Right, so one entire sentence later:
I'm delighted that we chose to spend the money from Milner on Bent.
What's that if it isn't sniping?
It isn't sniping, it is just a bit of much needed context for this sentence...
... Our owner then went out and bought the most expensive player in our history, a proven goalscorer, for 18 million, rising to 24 million pounds...
What is the point of you and toronto blowing Randy's trumpet over signing Bent and then getting het up about my pointing out that the money for that transfer was raised by selling Milner 4 months earlier?
"It's only the Milner money"
It is still money he could very well have stuck in his pocket.
And what if it rises to 24m? And what about Makoun? And what about the fact that we took Stephen Ireland as part of the Milner deal?
Some of us can see Lerner - who is not without his faults, and we've seen some of them this season - has consistently put his hand in his pocket. I seem to recall a lot of people telling us prior to January that the spending had stopped, it was sell to buy, we wouldn't be spending money in January etc etc, then we go out and smash our transfer record, but hey ho, that's still not "enough" for some - it's "only the Milner money".
We're all entitled to our opinions, but honestly, if i were Lerner and had read some of the stuff on here prior to January (and since, in some cases), some of that "Young Doug" nonsense that got posted, I'd have told us all to stick it up our ungrateful arses and walked away from the whole thing.
Thank God he's obviously a more patient man than me.
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Its true that "the Milner money" could have been absorbed by mounting losses. But it wasnt and I dont think this summer will be any different either.
Randy's Villa spend big money in the summer, when there is a manager to spend it.
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It's worth remembering that at the time Randy forked out the money for Bent, the general media concensus was that we were skint and he was looking to cut back on his investment.
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It's worth remembering that at the time Randy forked out the money for Bent, the general media concensus was that we were skint and he was looking to cut back on his investment.
Absolutely.
Not only was that their consensus, but they also took every opportunity to remind us of it. When Bent was signed, it threw them somewhat.
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It's worth remembering that at the time Randy forked out the money for Bent, the general media concensus was that we were skint and he was looking to cut back on his investment.
Very true. But there is also a possible counterpoint to that that says that if we went down, the losses and money he'd need to put in would be so much more. So was the Bent money part of the ongoing long term vision of the club, or was it a result of the position we found ourselves in after Christmas. I think it's entirely possible that if we hadn't bought Bent, we'd be staring relegation in the face now, such has been his impact. I'm not for one minute suggesting he was a panic signing, but would we have bought him if we were safely away from the relegation spot in say, 9th place? I guess it's impossible to answer either way, but I suspect not.
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It's worth remembering that at the time Randy forked out the money for Bent, the general media concensus was that we were skint and he was looking to cut back on his investment.
Absolutely.
Not only was that their consensus, but they also took every opportunity to remind us of it.
Gone a bit quiet on that front since!
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It's worth remembering that at the time Randy forked out the money for Bent, the general media concensus was that we were skint and he was looking to cut back on his investment.
Very true. But there is also a possible counterpoint to that that says that if we went down, the losses and money he'd need to put in would be so much more. So was the Bent money part of the ongoing long term vision of the club, or was it a result of the position we found ourselves in after Christmas. I think it's entirely possible that if we hadn't bought Bent, we'd be staring relegation in the face now, such has been his impact. I'm not for one minute suggesting he was a panic signing, but would we have bought him if we were safely away from the relegation spot in say, 9th place? I guess it's impossible to answer either way, but I suspect not.
I can see it two ways:-
1. Randy is happy to spend and the manager problems were the only reason why we didn't. So when January came round he had a big wad burning a hole in his pocket and Gezza said a goal scorer was our highest priority
2. Randy wanted to cut back spending, but the situation we were in forced his hand.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
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We've needed a striker like Bent for years so I would argue that Randy knew that, Houllier definitely knew that and so it was a part of the long and short term strategy. In fact strategy hardly comes into it. Its more raw basic logic.
- Are you a football club?
- Do you want to win football matches?
- Do you want to fork out for a bloke who massively helps in that regard?
I completely reject any notion that Randy would only fork out for a player from a difficult position. Downing, Milner, Young and so on were not bought on this basis and neither was Bent.
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"It's only the Milner money"
It is still money he could very well have stuck in his pocket.
And what if it rises to 24m? And what about Makoun? And what about the fact that we took Stephen Ireland as part of the Milner deal?
Some of us can see Lerner - who is not without his faults, and we've seen some of them this season - has consistently put his hand in his pocket. I seem to recall a lot of people telling us prior to January that the spending had stopped, it was sell to buy, we wouldn't be spending money in January etc etc, then we go out and smash our transfer record, but hey ho, that's still not "enough" for some - it's "only the Milner money".
We're all entitled to our opinions, but honestly, if i were Lerner and had read some of the stuff on here prior to January (and since, in some cases), some of that "Young Doug" nonsense that got posted, I'd have told us all to stick it up our ungrateful arses and walked away from the whole thing.
Thank God he's obviously a more patient man than me.
If there are posters saying "it's only the Milner money" and calling him "young Doug" then maybe it would be fair for you to accuse them of sniping. That isn't me though, I don't refer to him as young Doug and my comment was "I'm delighted that we chose to spend the money from Milner on Bent. "
That's one thing, the question of a sell-to-buy strategy is different. Back in January last year O'Neill was asked about his plans to bring in much needed striker reinforcements and he said, "We are not looking at players at this minute because we have to sell.", "Do I have to sell to buy? We wouldn't be the only club in that position."
Since he said that, we've sold Gardner, Davies, Shorey, Sidwell and Milner and brought in Ireland, Makoun and Bent for roughly the same amount i.e. sell-to-buy.
It could of course be coincidence but I don't think it is unreasonable to ask whether the strategy changed after the summer of 2009 and whether the board intends to continue to invest in the squad over and above what can be raised through player sales.
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It's worth remembering that at the time Randy forked out the money for Bent, the general media concensus was that we were skint and he was looking to cut back on his investment.
Very true. But there is also a possible counterpoint to that that says that if we went down, the losses and money he'd need to put in would be so much more. So was the Bent money part of the ongoing long term vision of the club, or was it a result of the position we found ourselves in after Christmas. I think it's entirely possible that if we hadn't bought Bent, we'd be staring relegation in the face now, such has been his impact. I'm not for one minute suggesting he was a panic signing, but would we have bought him if we were safely away from the relegation spot in say, 9th place? I guess it's impossible to answer either way, but I suspect not.
Does it make any difference, though?
We were in a really bad place for the first time since he bought us, and he did the right thing.
I also agree, without Bent's goals, we'd probably have been relegated.
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I completely reject any notion that Randy would only fork out for a player from a difficult position. Downing, Milner, Young and so on were not bought on this basis and neither was Bent.
Although I generally agree, since those players were brought in we've had this concern over the wagebill raised, the comments from MON Villadawg mentions above and a whole summer where we did have a manager no players were bought in.
I doubt Randy intended for it to be a permanent departure from our previous spending strategy, more a case of being more prudent until we got a handle on things again, but it does raise the question of whether he went back to his old ways because we got to the position he wanted or because it was necessary.
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That's one thing, the question of a sell-to-buy strategy is different. Back in January last year O'Neill was asked about his plans to bring in much needed striker reinforcements and he said, "We are not looking at players at this minute because we have to sell.", "Do I have to sell to buy? We wouldn't be the only club in that position."
Since he said that, we've sold Gardner, Davies, Shorey, Sidwell and Milner and brought in Ireland, Makoun and Bent for roughly the same amount i.e. sell-to-buy
That's where I disagree.
Even if the figures out match the figures in - and I can't be bothered to check the figures - that is not evidence that there's a sell to buy policy.
It is evidence of someone doing some financial housekeeping, though, which is what all clubs do, and is what all managers have to do at some point.
The disappointing thing is that Martin decided he didn't want to do it.
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I completely reject any notion that Randy would only fork out for a player from a difficult position. Downing, Milner, Young and so on were not bought on this basis and neither was Bent.
Although I generally agree, since those players were brought in we've had this concern over the wagebill raised, the comments from MON Villadawg mentions above and a whole summer where we did have a manager no players were bought in.
I doubt Randy intended for it to be a permanent departure from our previous spending strategy, more a case of being more prudent until we got a handle on things again, but it does raise the question of whether he went back to his old ways because we got to the position he wanted or because it was necessary.
I dont think it was a case of suspending and/or returning to ways. More like MON not being arsed to trim the squad of players he wasnt using who took up huge portions of the wage bill before being allowed to continue spending.
Room was made in the wage bill for some new players and so Ireland (unfortunately) and Bent were signed on relatively extravagant contracts. Ireland before the season had even got underway so it could be argued league position was not a factor. Nor was it when we signed Bent either I suspect.
We needed him, whether to stay in the league or challenge for honours, and we got him.
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It's really weird this, I could swear that the title of this thread is a plain and simple 'Ashley Young'...
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It's really weird this, I could swear that the title of this thread is a plain and simple 'Ashley Young'...
That boy has a lot to answer for.
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It's really weird this, I could swear that the title of this thread is a plain and simple 'Ashley Young'...
One of the delights of this forum is it's tendency to veer widely off topic without overbearing moderators telling us off. You're lucky we're still talking football and not biscuits or Supertom's amazing orgasmic abilities.
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Continuing with the off topic theme, or am I ontopic now?
Can some of the people claiming we're a selling club explain what is wrong with it, or more pertinently what is the other option?
Surely it's our, and pretty much every club's reality. If our commercial operations do not generate sufficient funds - which in our case they don't - then the club will occasionally have to sell their best players.
As (I think JJ-AV) demonstrated with the money we've recieved for Barry and Milner we have signed some pretty decent players. In Delph's case we've probably got the best to come...
In my opinion we're better off facing this reality and somewhat planning for it. For example selling players when we're in a position of strength rather than with one year left on their contract. Also anticipating which players will command the best fees and lining up replacements when they're young and we can get the best value for money.
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Not sure I agree.
If you look at the example of Man Utd, who are the most successful club in the country. OK they have more money than us, but when you scale it down the reality is they buy them in and aren't afraid to spend to do so (similar to us) and get their best years, then move them on to recoup some of the outlay. RVN is a prime exaple of this. What this then entails is having the players through their prime years and accepting that will cost money.
However, the reason they are able to do this is because the players WANT to stay there as they win things and are guaranteed CL football. Exceptions exist, such as Ronaldo, but generally they invest in players not to see a return and pump in back in, but to get the best from them on the pitch.
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It's really weird this, I could swear that the title of this thread is a plain and simple 'Ashley Young'...
One of the delights of this forum is it's tendency to veer widely off topic without overbearing moderators telling us off. You're lucky we're still talking football and not biscuits or Supertom's amazing orgasmic abilities.
Off topic :)
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I take your points John but I'm not entirely sure that Man U is a comparable example. Before the Glaziers, they were making millions each year from their commercial operations enabling them to spend the surplus on transfers.
Unfortunately at the moment we do not have this luxury.
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It's really weird this, I could swear that the title of this thread is a plain and simple 'Ashley Young'...
One of the delights of this forum is it's tendency to veer widely off topic without overbearing moderators telling us off. You're lucky we're still talking football and not biscuits or Supertom's amazing orgasmic abilities.
Off topic :)
Sorry.
Errr...Ashley Young, yes, he's a footballer.
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Pretty much every club is a selling club, even Dullchester United PLC.
If an offer is received that makes good financial sense (that is, usually way in excess of the players worth) then the deal will be done. Which is why United have sold their better players in the past (Ince, Kanchelskis, Beckham, Van Horseyboy, Pinnochio), Arsenal have sold the likes of Adebeyor and Toure to a prospective rival and Liverpool sold Torres. Even Barcelona have actually sold key players in fairly recent history.
Where we differ slightly is that RL, by his reticence to offer soundbites to the press and generally keep them onside has created the conditions (unintentionally) whereby they've waited for the first opportunity to put the boot in.
We buy and sell players as a matter of course. Short of keeping all our existing players on the books whilst we sign new ones and swell the squad to 60/70 strong (which is possibly the visionary route MON had embarked on) I'm not sure how else we could work it. That, more than anything else is what I think RL was alluding to in the comments re sell to buy last May.
Some chose to interpret it as a change of direction, that we'd given up the ghost and that we were now wholly in the business of flogging assets just to exist, like a slightly bigger Wigan. It was disappointing (though perhaps not entirely surprising) that some scribes went that route. It was even more disappointing that some of our own -after the commitment RL had shown since taking over in 2006- were so keen to join them.
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Not sure I agree.
If you look at the example of Man Utd, who are the most successful club in the country. OK they have more money than us, but when you scale it down the reality is they buy them in and aren't afraid to spend to do so (similar to us) and get their best years, then move them on to recoup some of the outlay. RVN is a prime exaple of this. What this then entails is having the players through their prime years and accepting that will cost money.
However, the reason they are able to do this is because the players WANT to stay there as they win things and are guaranteed CL football. Exceptions exist, such as Ronaldo, but generally they invest in players not to see a return and pump in back in, but to get the best from them on the pitch.
We're not Man United and barring a major miracle we never will be a club on their scale or wealth. We won't attract the same level of players and we cannot force our best players to stay when bigger clubs come in.
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We're not Man United and barring a major miracle we never will be a club on their scale or wealth. We won't attract the same level of players and we cannot force our best players to stay when bigger clubs come in.
The point I was making is that we do this on a smaller scale more beffiting our finances. If Man Utd can afford to get a player in for £50m, get 6-7 years out of him and then sell for say £15m, we should do the same with a £10m player and get about £3m back after the same length of service. However, your 2nd point is quite valid in that we have the problem of circling vultures they do not.
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Young warns Villa he 'wants to win trophies'
ESPNsoccernet staff
May 13, 2011
In-demand Aston Villa winger Ashley Young admits he wants "to win titles and cups'' as speculation increases over his future.
Young is strongly tipped to quit Villa this summer, with Liverpool and Manchester United linked with a move for the England international.
Villa caretaker boss Gary McAllister has already conceded the lure of Champions League football may tempt Young away, although they will be keen to keep him at Villa Park.
Young, who has one year left of his current contract, has constantly stressed talks on his future will not take place until the end of the campaign.
But he told the Birmingham Mail: "I'm an ambitious person who wants to win titles and leagues and cups and stuff. Hopefully, fingers crossed, I can do that.
"I think they say players start to peak at 26 or 27. I'll soon be 26, so fingers crossed I can start peaking myself. I've been enjoying how things have been going for me.''
Villa would be looking for around £15 million should Young leave but a bidding war could increase the price for the former Watford man.
Young is determined to finish the season on a high note with Villa visiting Arsenal on Sunday. He said: "I want to be able to do well for myself, do well for the club and get them higher than we are at the moment.
"Fingers crossed, I can continue not to be injured, keep going, keep doing what I've been doing, and see it right through to the end of the season.''
Young made the switch to Villa in 2007 having spent five years with the Hornets and has made 39 appearances for Gerard Houllier's side this season.
Bye Ashley
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Well that's either a massive 'come and get me' plea (although I'm sure his Agent has been hawking his signature around for the last 6 months or so so probably not) or it's his way of breaking the news to us in instalments - that's instalment one for you.
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If he signs for Liverpool he's not guarenteed to win anything, They wont be in champions league either
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I'd say it's a 'see you later' type of thing, but hardly unexpected.
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Hrmf..."Get THEM higher than we are at the moment". Not identifying with the club Ash?
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"Fingers crossed, I can continue not to be injured, keep going, keep doing what I've been doing, and see it right through to the end of the season.''
Says it all for me.
So, who we gonna buy with the £15m?
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i'd be surprised if he's not got a packed suitcase in his car for a quick gettaway. Oh well, so be it. Now lets get an auction going and try and screw watford out of their 15%
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Bye Ash. Enjoy the bench at United.
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Lets not be petty. He's given us 5 years and put some graft in in that time IF he leaves us.
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Bring on the bidding war.
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At this stage, I can't really blame him for wanting to move on.
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He talks about hitting his peak, I honestly think he's gone past that.
Still good, but not quite the player he was.
Can you bet on who he will join?
I'd like to put a hefty amount on Liverpool.
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Without doubt Liverpool. Daglish is gonna sign the best British players from clubs below them. Ashley, Baines, Cahill, Adam etc.
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Without doubt Liverpool. Daglish is gonna sign the best British players from clubs below them. Ashley, Baines, Cahill, Adam etc.
What makes you say that? They may go for them, but I'm uncertain how much money they have and without CL football to offer we may see miss out on a lot of their targets.
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Unfortunately though, like it or not, Liverpool are still a big name club and that will help them attract the players they are looking at.
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I think Spuds purely because he is living back in Herts which to me tells it's own story
As far as a bidding war goes, can't see it myself due to the sell on clause, I can see him going for cash and a player
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He's always put the effort in but his skill level especially from free kicks has disappeared. Another player who thinks he is better than he really is. He may be getting more money but i would wager Milner was far happier as a Villa player.
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Chelsea bound me thinks - they will have a huge clearout this year and the likes of Malouda and co will be shipped out - plus I am sure he would fit right in down that left side with the other wanker called Ashley
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Good luck to him, he always gave 100% and put in the effort- I wish him well for his future!
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To be honest, if he leaves this summer, I'll wish him well. He's barely missed a game since he's joined us, he always puts in a good shift - not one of these lazy, luxury forward players - and, for me, he's usually been our most effective and exciting attacking player. I'll be really disappointed to see him go - but I've been expected it for around a year now and, based on everything that has happened this season, I can't say that we've done an awful lot to convince him his future would be best served at Villa. We can offer him a pay hike, but in terms of stability, we're as unsettled now as we were in August.
I'll never totally understand the depth of criticism he gets from some fans, but there you go.
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His antics (diving and arguing the toss with refs) wind me up no end, but that aside he's a hard working and effective player for us, even if I do think he's been playing for himself more than the team this season.
As long leaves in the right fashion (Milner as opposed to Barry) then I wish him well.
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Entertaining. Crowd puller. Scores goals. Has pace. Tracks back. Cares about the result. Always puts 100% in. Defenders hate him. I dont want him to go anywhere except with Villa.
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If we can get a manager to discipline him, i.e cut out the diving, and a manager that instructs him to play on the left wing then I'd love to keep him.
Maybe I'm dillusioned but I think if we show our statement of intent for next season by getting the right manager in then Ash will be up for staying.
If not, then I wish him well as he's always put a shift in and provided some right moments of magic over the last few seasons. My personal favourite's being the Everton away 3-2 game and his two stunning goals against SHA in the 5-1
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Entertaining. Crowd puller. Scores goals. Has pace. Tracks back. Cares about the result. Always puts 100% in. Defenders hate him. I dont want him to go anywhere except with Villa.
Entertaining. Crowd puller. Scores goals. Has pace. Tracks back. Cares about the result. Always puts 100% in. Defenders hate him. I dont want him to go anywhere except with Villa.
I quite like AY but this season for me he has been Billy Big Bollocks
Add to that list taking every free kick
Hitting Row Z
Beating a man 3 teams
Doesnt score enough goals
Far too petulant
I will in a way be sad to see him go but he is going to get such a rude awakening
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cut out the diving? The last two home games I went to (Wigan and Toon army) where people around me barracked him for "diving", the resulting free kicks were goals. Bloody hell, tell the opposition to stop fouling him. Gerard and Ronaldo were constantly revered in the press, yet I would argue are every bit and more dirty than Ash.
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Doesn't score enough goals but is our top goalscorer this season...
Anyway, a rude awakening? I'm not so sure. If he gets the right move and the right manager, I think he'll flourish and take his game up a level.
PS MoetVillan - you're right. Great free-kick delivery for Collins' goal; brilliantly-taken free-kick to score v Wigan on Saturday. No-one can get every free-kick spot-on, but there is a reason why Young takes many of the free-kicks in dangerous areas.
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Isnt he our top scorer this season? I do agree he needs his energy channelling, but when he is on his game he is unplayable. Sort of player that gets bums on seats too. People buy shirts with Young on, and want to emulate him in the park afterwards.
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Maye I'm dillusioned but I think if we show our statement of intent for next season by getting the right manager in then Ash will be up for staying.
Not sure.
MON had a similar effect on Barry when he first came, but there's a big difference between Portsmouth and the sort of clubs that will be after Ash!
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It's not impossible. It would have to be one hell of a manger though.
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It's not impossible. It would have to be one hell of a manger though.
I think it would need to be a good enough manager that we'd be saying "Fuck Ashley Young - this bloke will bring better to the club!"
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Although not a winger that Mcguigan at Forest can put a decent ball in and has a fantastic shot. Looks a little slow though.
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Entertaining. Crowd puller. Scores goals. Has pace. Tracks back. Cares about the result. Always puts 100% in. Defenders hate him. I dont want him to go anywhere except with Villa.
Totally agree. But he will go, and good luck to him when he does. He's contributed more to my matchday enjoyment than most over recent years.
With only a year left on his contract we're not going to get a great deal more than we paid for him though sadly, so getting a decent swap or part-ex seems unlikely too.
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I still think he will fetch a good 15-18 million considering his age. I hope he goes to United. Then all is justified, he will win things and probably kick on as a player. Liverpool or Man City and it will be a silly move IMO.
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I see him joining Liverpool or, if they sell Bale (which I believe they will), Spurs.
I will wish him all the best as he always gives his all and whilst his petulance has irked me it is probably stretching from his desire to win and the fact that (unlike so many in our team) he cares. Sure, this wishing him all the best may be tinged by a bit of schadenfreude if his move doesn't work out but I think a move to Spurs or Liverpool will work out for him.
As for us, I hope we can hang onto Downing and Albrighton (I think it is pretty certain we will) who will replace his role in the team. In terms of players to sign I'd like to see a winger coming in as cover and competition for Albrighton and Downing. I don't expect us to spend too much on this player as we really have more pressing concerns with the defence.
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Ash gives a massive edge and that something extra. His "i am" attitude has been annoying but his work rate has been been excellent. If we were knocking on the door he might of stayed but after this season think his mind is made up. We need a new manager who will bring that "buzz" back to Villa park like MON did. Perhaps that and the reassurance of some "big" signings might just sway him to stay ......
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bent has scored 7
AY has scored 7
The rude awakening AY is going to get is that:
The world doesn't revolve around him
He doesn't play 90 mins of every game
He doesn't take every set piece
He doesn't wander about the pitch wherever he takes his fancy
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Lets not be petty. He's given us 5 years and put some graft in in that time IF he leaves us.
You're right of course, but take away the pettiness and I've not much left to bring to the table.
I don't want him to leave, but I'll be relieved when I can get on with really disliking him.
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bent has scored 7
AY has scored 7
And all of Bent's have come in open play too.
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bent has scored 7
AY has scored 7
The rude awakening AY is going to get is that:
The world doesn't revolve around him
He doesn't play 90 mins of every game
He doesn't take every set piece
He doesn't wander about the pitch wherever he takes his fancy
Aye, seven goals in the league, nine in all competitions - so whichever way you spin it, he's either our joint leading goalscorer or leading goalscorer. And again, whichever way you look at it, means that to accuse of him not scoring enough goals looks a bit hollow. Because, in the context of our team, there ain't many who score more. And 7 goals in 32 league games isn't bad for a winger/second striker.
Of the other points you've listed there - I agree he may not play 90 minutes of every game, every week. I think this might actually help his game. This season I almost think he's been trying too hard for us - there's not been much happening around him in terms of support. As for wandering around all over the pitch - when he played in a free role behind a centre-forward, that was kind of the point of the position......
Smoke: of course, all of Bent's goals have come from open play. If we'd had him all season, he'd be coasting way ahead as top scorer. But again, if Young is partly judged on his free-kick delivery, then his set-piece goals (excellent direct free-kicks v Bolton and Wigan) can't be easily dismissed. Both superb goals. Not as if they were gimmes. Also, he's probably only one of two players we've got who can do that kind of thing.
I guess if you dislike/don't rate Ashley Young, that's that. But I think we're going to miss him - I'm definitely going to miss watching him. I do think, however, with the right type of attacking midfielder we can repackage ourselves and still be as effective an attacking unit - but for me he's been the most exciting attacking player we've had at the club for years.
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but how many of ash's goals are pens? for a second striker as he's been playing most of season he's scored nowhere near enough goals to be afforded that position.
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I can't blame him for leaving, and i certainly don't have the low opinion some have towards his contribution for us but i think he'll have to up his game if he goes to the mancs or chelsea unless he's happy to be a squad player at best. Liverpool have less options so i agree thats the more likely destination
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I've said it before and I am going to say it again and I dare say I'll say it again in a years time. Ashley Young is a good premiership player who absolutely blew everyone away in his first two seasons at Villa and that was compared to the at the time supposedly inflated price we paid for him.
The fact is since then, with the possible exception of the first half of this season he has flattered to deceive, has added an unwanted, but unfortunately all too common with people who turn out for England overnight asshole, thinks he is better than he is, moaning, whinging twat mentality.
I don't want him to leave because on balance, with a more settled team next season with the right leadership I think he can be the asset he was during his first two years. But that shouldn't be confused with him being considered as a world beater as i don't think he ever was or ever will be this.
Instead, I think he will again be another person who will be often seen looking a lonely figure on the bench or being taken off in not so happy circumstances in either a Liverpool or Man Citeh shirt. He may get the CL dream he so craves, he may not. But one thing is for sure, wherever he goes next he will be a much smaller fish in a much bigger pond.
Whatever happens Villa will move on, will replace him and will continue to do as well as they can hope to considering the financial power that now sadly outweighs them in the form of 5 or 6 other clubs in the league.
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In my opinion Young is a fabulously talented footballer who has been great for us while he's been here but has been badly managed this season. For all his talent, I think his attitude (Ronaldo lite TM) stinks and I'd rather he didn't play for us. Give me Gabby every day. However if all the mollycoddling this season results in him staying he will go up in my estimation and if he stays, we will be a better team for him doing so, if he stays on the wing where he belongs and on his feet when he can.
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If it were the Ashley Young of 2-3 seasons ago I'd be gutted to see him leave.
Right now I'm not overly bothered.
Get the money in and spend it wisely...hopefully our new manager will.
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The pandering to A Young tells you everything about the level we have slumped to. In a top team he wouldnt be dictating where he plays and taking every set piece. He is a talented player in a very ordinary team. A bigish fish in a very murky small pond. He could be a very good player under strong management and with decent direction. He has been allowed to out grow a very poor Villa team.
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bent has scored 7
AY has scored 7
The rude awakening AY is going to get is that:
The world doesn't revolve around him
He doesn't play 90 mins of every game
He doesn't take every set piece
He doesn't wander about the pitch wherever he takes his fancy
This.
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I don't want him to leave either, he's a bloody good player but at the end of the day, he's not a Villa fan like us, he's doing what's best for his career and he want's to win things. He's given us 5 years and for the majority of them he's been very good. Like Greg said though, he'll need to up his game wherever he goes, especially his free kicks, which by and large have been woeful.
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He works hard and I will be a disappointed to lose him . But he is not as good as he thinks he is. If I was Manure or C££y I would spend it on Sanchez. I think N'zogbia would be a good player for us , he has 7 goals and 5 assists compared to Youngs 7 goals and 9 assists , but I dont think N'zogbia takes every free kick like Young does .. I dont know how many of Youngs goals are pens..
Any way we all knew he was off ... good luck to him. UTV
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He works hard and I will be a disappointed to lose him . But he is not as good as he thinks he is. If I was Manure or C££y I would spend it on Sanchez. I think N'zogbia would be a good player for us , he has 7 goals and 5 assists compared to Youngs 7 goals and 9 assists , but I dont think N'zogbia takes every free kick like Young does .. I dont know how many of Youngs goals are pens..
Any way we all knew he was off ... good luck to him. UTV
Agree with N'Zogbia, a fab replenishment for Young with change.
AVFC will be looking rather differently come August me thinks.
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NZogbia would be my first choice as replacement. He was very good against us and wasn't even fully fit. He was a doubt before the game. If we get £15m for Ash then let's offer it to Wigan for NZogbia & Diame.
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Turning point? MON screaming 'World class!' at him over and over again when he scored the last minute winner at Everton. Since that point onwards he's started believing the hype and become a worse player for it.
If we can find someone willing to give us £15m for him I'll drive him to their ground myself. I'll even lend him the pen for the contract.
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Turning point? MON screaming 'World class!' at him over and over again when he scored the last minute winner at Everton. Since that point onwards he's started believing the hype and become a worse player for it.
If we can find someone willing to give us £15m for him I'll drive him to their ground myself. I'll even lend him the pen for the contract.
Yeah £15m and I'd be happy too, yeah he's a good player but not really a team player his ego has got to big for Villa Park.
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yeah agree with the comments about Ash £15M and id be happy I was more concerned about getting downing to extend his contract as hes been a lot better than young this season.
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So Ash has been told ,as he says, players peak at 26/27 and he is at his peak or going to be next year. No Ash my son you peaked at 23/24 and since than you have been abysmal. The only reason you are in demand is that you are english and an OK squad player. Nothing more.
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So Ash has been told ,as he says, players peak at 26/27 and he is at his peak or going to be next year. No Ash my son you peaked at 23/24 and since than you have been abysmal. The only reason you are in demand is that you are english and an OK squad player. Nothing more.
Disagree with most of that, in demand by Man U, Liverpool Spurs etc because he has qualities. If he is as poor as you say, Wigan Blues and the likes of Blackpool would be after him.
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People are so harsh on Ashley Young. He is better than Lennon, he's one of the best wingers in the league.
We expect a lot from him because we know how good he can be but you can't be that good all the time especially when you're a marked man and playing in a side that is struggling.
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People are so harsh on Ashley Young. He is better than Lennon, he's one of the best wingers in the league.
We expect a lot from him because we know how good he can be but you can't be that good all the time especially when you're a marked man and playing in a side that is struggling.
Nail.On.Head.
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Since Ashley Young has been a Villa player, how many games in his absence, can we say we haven't missed him?
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We'll miss him when he's gone but lets not drag the process out. Would prefer to see him move to a side on the continent rather than rubbing our noses in it at Liverpool or Man U.
But the players have all the power nowadays and if that's where he wants to go, fcuk him.
Get N'Zogbia in in his place and we might actually emerge from the situation ahead.
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We'll miss him when he's gone but lets not drag the process out. Would prefer to see him move to a side on the continent rather than rubbing our noses in it at Liverpool or Man U.
But the players have all the power nowadays and if that's where he wants to go, fcuk him.
Get N'Zogbia in in his place and we might actually emerge from the situation ahead.
Not a fan of N'Zogbia.
He obviously has talent, but comes across as not giving a fuck 75% of the time.
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The late substituion and the way he left the field was surely a goodbye? Remenisant of Milner against Westham.
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The late substituion and the way he left the field was surely a goodbye? Remenisant of Milner against Westham.
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Looked that way to me, the amount of time he took to walk off and the way he saluted all sides of the ground. Cya Ash, we'll always have Goodison.
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Yeah well as I said in the match thread, thanks for the memories Ash. If he goes to Man Utd I can't really begrudge him that. He's given us good service.
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I think we all knew he'd be off this summer, and it's difficult not to wish him well in my view. He's been very good for us, especially the season before last, and has never done anything less than put in a real shift each and every game. I think he'll be able to step up a level at somewhere like Man Utd, too.
I also reckon we'll be alright without him.
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spoke to a old mate of his and he reckons he will stay, The Milner situ has put him off don't be surprised if he signs a 3 yr deal and goes after Euro's, he will want to play every week
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If he does end up going I wish him well, he's been bloody great for us and I can't really understand some of the stick he gets.
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Good luck ash and thanks for the last few years- he had his faults but always put in 100% and I wish him all the best wherever he goes.
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I'm hoping there's something in this Man. City interested as I'd want Adam Johnson in a swop as I doubt he'd become as mentally unstable as Ireland as soon as he moves.
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Will be really interesting to see if he pushes on to become the world class player MON thought he could, or if his increasing inability to go past players and significant deterioration in crossing the ball continue.
I can't really see him being a priority for Man U. They have Valencia, Park, Giggs, Nani to play wide. If I were Fergie I'd make a keeper, and at least one, possibly two central midfielders, as well as possibly a replacement for Berbatov, my priorities.
I think Man Citeh will be after bigger names, though I think Liverpool and Spurs will be interested. I do think there's a chance we'll get one more year out of him though, albeit a slim one. We'll want £15m minimum for him, and I reckon teams may prefer to wait.
Although we were scarred with the Ireland deal, we'd have better chances of getting players out of Spurs (Walker and / or Kranjcar) or Citeh (Johnson, Given, Onouha or Milner) but the problem with most there will be the massive wages they're on. So I reckon only Johnson or Onouha are real goers.
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He's off.
All the best Ash!
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Bye Ash. Enjoy Manchester.
Thanks.
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Ta ra then ASh...thanks for the good times. Let's use the cash wisely now
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He's on his way for sure. 3 years ago I'd have been gutted, but not now, he's just the lastest in a long line...
Barry, Milner, Young (and inevitably) Downing, and Bent...
And people who say N'Zogbia and Albrighton are as good as him are deluded, or mental. Ashley Young will be annoyingly good for Man U or Liverpool.
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Wherever he plies his trade next season, if he has a miraculous upswing in the consistency of his performances, I guess I won't be alone in feeling short changed based on what he's served up since he got himself sent off at Sunderland over two years ago. I don't think he ever quite reached the heights for us again after serving that suspension.
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He's on his way for sure. 3 years ago I'd have been gutted, but not now, he's just the lastest in a long line...
Barry, Milner, Young (and inevitably) Downing, and Bent...
And people who say N'Zogbia and Albrighton are as good as him are deluded, or mental. Ashley Young will be annoyingly good for Man U or Liverpool.
Aye. And we can really get riled with his diving and petulant behaviour. He has the ability to be a "Genius"(TM MON). Its just the other shit that annoys me about him. If he was crap it wouldn't bother me but he could be so good if he would just cut the shit out. Anyhoo Thanks Ash and good luck.
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Ash has been great for us. I'm certain he's off this summer but would go with my blessings.
Most important thing for us is a quality replacement. Would love Adam Johnson, and would definately take N'Zogbia!
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Ashley Young. The player than can turn attack into defence in a split-second. Or was it the other way around, I forget. Either way, he's off. All the best and thanks for the goals and assists, but not the free kicks, corners or dives.
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I felt angry when Yorke, Barry and Milner left us. With Ash going I feel kind of sad. I think we'll miss him more than we care to admit.
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Bye Ash. Enjoy Manchester.
Thanks.
Ashley Young made a massive contribution to our club over the past however many years, and thats your response?
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We have had so few realy great players over the last decade that AY gets put on a pedestal.
The bloke has talent but he wont go down as a Villa great except for those that are very young or with short memories. He performs like too many of our current players, lacking real intent and hunger. He could be a great player, somehow I dont think he will be.
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He's a very good player who we'll miss no doubt, but i don't feel he was integral to the side in the same way Milner was for instance. The major disappointment is the contract situation and the fact yet again we won't get top dollar for him especially with watford getting 15% of the fee
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Taggart will get the best out of him as he will make him play as a winger and improve his final ball percentage like he did with Ronaldo .... Thats what will make Ashly into a proper player
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Great memories for a player I think some underrated during his time here. Think we'll miss him more than we think.
Onwards an upwards though!
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Oh and Marc can have his #7
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I'm glad he walked off the pitch-he's worth more than if he was carried off
another season-another year when Ash was the most fouled player in the prem
one of these days someone will "hurt him permanent"
but he won't be playing for us anymore.....
hope we spend the money well
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Great memories for a player I think some underrated during his time here. Think we'll miss him more than we think.
Onwards an upwards though!
I guarantee there will be games next season where we'll rue not having Ash to make something out of nothing.
He hasn't quite had the same level of dominance in games he managed for large chunks of 2007 and 2008, but he is still a very effective player at this level. As his assists and goals scored even since that high point would illustrate.
He might improve even further with better players at Man U. Chances are he'll see more of the ball (though perhaps not when it comes to set pieces).
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We need a hard nose aggressive midfielder a la Milner. Although Young is talented, I think that he sometimes "chokes".
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We will miss him... unfortunately!
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Sad to see him go, and don't really begrudge him a move, so long as it is for regular CL football and potential to win trophies. He's been triffic, just triffic for us.
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Think it is inevitable he will go
I have mixed feelings about him - an undoubted talent and generally gave 100%. One of the few who put the effort in and genuinely seemed to care in some of the matches this season when many on the pitch didn't seem to be bothered.
Scored some terrific goals but his crossing, corners and free kicks could be woeful - for someone of his ability.
A good player but agree with those who say take £15mil and let him go
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Young will be missed ... and I think it's fairly obvious he's going to go; however we can't dwell on it. I know the talks are about to start, but let's face it: he wants out.
The money we could potentially get for him will be enough for GH - or our new manager - to purchase one or two talented replacements. We still need to replace Jimmy Milner imo, and a full summer will give time to do so.
After the purchase of Darren Bent I think it's obvious that Villa are no longer a 'sell but no buy' club. It's obvious that that was just O'Neill and his odd way of going about things.
This season has been a kick up the arse, one the management sort of needed.
GH was stating there'd be a big shake up of the squad, and the poor performance this season will really push out the players that don't want to be here (a la Young), giving those who want to play for such a great club the chance to join and prove their worth.
Ashley Young can leave and he will be missed, but not so much I'll be crying myself to sleep when the news comes.
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If we did a deal with one club and we could do a 'realistic' player plus cash deal, who and what would you go for?
For me, I'd do the deal with Manure and take Carrick + Valencia and 10mill.....
How is that 'realistic'?
Straight cash would be better. First team to go to £18m and he can go with my blessing and best wishes.
I agree mate!
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I would really love Ash to stay. We will certainly miss him although if he goes to Manure he will raise his game further. I would be worried if we didn't have Albrighton coming through who I believe has the potential to be as good as Ash but with a better temperament.
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I think Ashley has been a very good signing for Villa. His attitude towards the club and fans has been faultless and he has provided one or two very nice memories in the claret and blue shirt. Having said that, I believe he is very replaceable and if we get a good price it will be a decent piece of business. I think a very, very decent Villa side is in the making and Ashley going will not hinder our progress in the slightest. I'm really looking forward to the transfer window.
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I don't know why, as I can't logically explain it but I think he'll sign a new contract to stay at Villa. I remember the open training session where all the other players couldn't get down the tunnel quick enough. However, Ash stayed and signed autographs and had photo's taken with every single person in the ground much to the annoyance of the stewards and club officials. I think he enjoys being the Big Fish at Villa Park and will see what has happened to his mate Jimmy Milner at Man Ci£y.
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I don't know why, as I can't logically explain it but I think he'll sign a new contract to stay at Villa.
Only way I can see this happening is if we get in a really high profile manager or player early in the summer and he gets excited about where we might be going next season.
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I don't know why, as I can't logically explain it but I think he'll sign a new contract to stay at Villa. I remember the open training session where all the other players couldn't get down the tunnel quick enough. However, Ash stayed and signed autographs and had photo's taken with every single person in the ground much to the annoyance of the stewards and club officials. I think he enjoys being the Big Fish at Villa Park and will see what has happened to his mate Jimmy Milner at Man Ci£y.
It makes no sense from a financial perspective though. He could have been on big wages before Christmas. He has lost out on quite a bit of money because he has refused to discuss his contract until the summer.
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I would understand if he does move on to an established top 4 club, he always seems to give 100% when on the pitch, sure he can be a little frustrating with his deadball stuff this last season or so, but we will miss him if he moves on imo, what i can't understand is why yesterday I had some "fan" yesterday behind me in the upper north going absolutely mental screaming at him everyname under the sun when he was subbed off.
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Mmmm, GMac on the Beeb..
Gerard Houllier to return as Villa boss - McAllister
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Gary McAllister expects Gerard Houllier to return from a health scare to resume managing Aston Villa.
McAllister has been in charge of the first team since Houllier, 63, was admitted to hospital on 20 April before being discharged nine days later.
"Most definitely," said McAllister when asked after Villa's 1-0 win over Liverpool if Houllier would be back.
"As far as I'm concerned, every indication is that Gerard is going to be back here. He's the manager."
The Midlands side beat the Reds courtesy of a first-half Stewart Downing strike to end a frustrating season in ninth place.
Villa winger Ashley Young clapped the applauding home fans as he was substituted in the 89th minute - but McAllister insisted the send-off did not mean the England international was leaving the club in the summer.
"He had cramp," said the Scot. "It wasn't a case of him getting a standing ovation because it was his last game. The facts are he had cramp and had to get off.
"I can fully understand people being interested in Ashley and there is the lure of the Champions League but we are going to try to convince him to stay here and maybe one or two signings might change his mind, so we live in hope."
So if he's not going, why would one or two signings "change his mind"
Says it all, he's off.
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I've got no problem in Young leaving.
Sure he's a natural footballer but his style isn't particularly exciting compared to the likes of Tony Daley or Tony Morley.
As a winger he isn't direct or quick enough and he's shown this season that he can't really cut it in a free role.
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I've got no problem in Young leaving.
Sure he's a natural footballer but his style isn't particularly exciting compared to the likes of Tony Daley or Tony Morley.
As a winger he isn't direct or quick enough and he's shown this season that he can't really cut it in a free role.
He offers a large creative dimension to the team though. I would not want to see him go, but i would swap him for a defence like we had in the mid nineties and take our chances that the rest of our attacking players can do enough without him.
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I used to love Tony Daley, but Ashley Young is streets ahead as a player.
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11 assists this season, his drive and commitment will be missed and hard to replace.
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11 assists this season, his drive and commitment will be missed and hard to replace.
Ashley Young 9 goals and 15 assists from 39 games started plus 4 subs in all competitions.
Downing 7 goals and 7 assists from the same figures.
Although that looks like Ash is definitely the better player it must be remembered that he took the majority of freekicks, corners and penalties in our team and Downing played out of position for most of the season to accommodate him. I'm not denigrating Young as a player and he had some skill when required but when he does leave it might mean we become more expressive as a team as we are not channelling most of our attacks through one player. Downings pass to Bent which almost led to a tap in for Gabby made me think we would not miss him as much as suggested.
And include Marc with 6 goals and 5 assists in 22 Starts and 10 Sub appearances and I reckon we will be OK unlike when we lost Milner.
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Downing played out of position for most of the season to accommodate him
Did he?
I'm pretty sure we'd have carried on playing inside-out wingers regardless. We've done it with Young for the last four years so I don't really see it as out of position. It's the style that we're choosing to play.
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Downing has done well on the right when that side anyhow. The biggest mistake was playing 4-4-2 with 2 wingers and Ash in the side. It either has to be 4-3-3 with him and Downing wide of Bent, or flat 4-4-2 with him and another out wide. This in the hole bit without any midfield protection and him not creating while plying there hurts us.
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Downing played out of position for most of the season to accommodate him
Did he?
I'm pretty sure we'd have carried on playing inside-out wingers regardless. We've done it with Young for the last four years so I don't really see it as out of position. It's the style that we're choosing to play.
TBH you are probably right that the management team like that with the wingers. I think a breakdown of the assists from Downing and Albrighton would show most of them coming from their natural sides.
I can see why they like it if the player can also cross with their "wrong" foot but Downing has no confidence in it and Young just stopped doing that and always came inside at every opportunity. I think that was partly why he seemed to go backwards as he would prefer to go himself rather then cross from the byline for others. I always think playing wrong side makes the player too greedy, similar to Adam Johnson at Citeh. Giggs has pretty much played left side all his 20 years.
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Downing played out of position for most of the season to accommodate him
Did he?
I'm pretty sure we'd have carried on playing inside-out wingers regardless. We've done it with Young for the last four years so I don't really see it as out of position. It's the style that we're choosing to play.
TBH you are probably right that the management team like that with the wingers. I think a breakdown of the assists from Downing and Albrighton would show most of them coming from their natural sides.
I can see why they like it if the player can also cross with their "wrong" foot but Downing has no confidence in it and Young just stopped doing that and always came inside at every opportunity. I think that was partly why he seemed to go backwards as he would prefer to go himself rather then cross from the byline for others. I always think playing wrong side makes the player too greedy, similar to Adam Johnson at Citeh. Giggs has pretty much played left side all his 20 years.
Giggs has been playing on several sides. Allegedly .....
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11 assists this season, his drive and commitment will be missed and hard to replace.
Ashley Young 9 goals and 15 assists from 39 games started plus 4 subs in all competitions.
Downing 7 goals and 7 assists from the same figures.
Although that looks like Ash is definitely the better player it must be remembered that he took the majority of freekicks, corners and penalties in our team and Downing played out of position for most of the season to accommodate him. I'm not denigrating Young as a player and he had some skill when required but when he does leave it might mean we become more expressive as a team as we are not channelling most of our attacks through one player. Downings pass to Bent which almost led to a tap in for Gabby made me think we would not miss him as much as suggested.
And include Marc with 6 goals and 5 assists in 22 Starts and 10 Sub appearances and I reckon we will be OK unlike when we lost Milner.
This is how I feel. Young has got ahead of himself a bit, acting the star. Cannot fault his work rate, but his football is pretty poor to the amount of attention he gets. I cannot believe people think we need him that bad. Villa have lost far better players than Young and carried on. I believe he is a bit of a luxury to what he actually contributes on the field or should I say his success rate ie: corners , free kicks on target. I think some people like him because he looks good on the ball. In reality as a footballer he is pretty limited, for the money we can get for him we would and will replace him with a player who will bring more to the team, bringing more options to open up our attack more, instead of it going down a one way street. Like I said cannot fault his work rate, but it's no good having a player who cannot deliver consistently. All I see is a player who repeatedly does the same thing with the same result, I can honestly say I don't think I've seen him beat a player from a standing start. He is not that special, not as much as he thinks anyway.
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I reckon young must have got about 30 goals and 65 assists over the last 4 years. That's going to be pretty hard to replicate.
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If we can't get NZogbia, I think we should go for Junior Hoilett.
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Have been really impressed with Hoilett this season, could see him developing into a really good No.10. Quick feet, good vision and one Hell of a shot on him too! If Ashley does depart, we should be able to get Robinson & Junior from Rovers for the money and maybe even some change to spare....
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I've got no problem in Young leaving.
Sure he's a natural footballer but his style isn't particularly exciting compared to the likes of Tony Daley or Tony Morley.
As a winger he isn't direct or quick enough and he's shown this season that he can't really cut it in a free role.
this is 2011 you know. The last thing we need is two outdated style wingers on our books, especially when we nearly have half a side of overpaid deadwood.
Young will go, what is annoying and pointless is this inane posturing from the likes of McAllister. What is Randy playing at we need decisions and we need them fast.
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From Today's Sun:
Tottenham duo Aaron Lennon and Tom Huddlestone, along with Aston Villa's Ashley Young, will fly to Marbella to join the cast of TV show The Only Way Is Essex.
Full story: The Sun
Oh Ash...
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Stick another 5 mil on for that!
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Stick another 5 mil on for that!
Just hope we haven't already agreed a price with Man Yoo?!
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Yes that goal you could say helps and hinders us. If there were any doubts at OT or Anfield they are removed however a bit more money and we could stretch it to £20m.
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bring on Stewie!!
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...now he's back to over hitting crosses. Same old Ashley.
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However Ash has just done some show boating followed by a crap corner to prove he adopting Villa form at England stage now.
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when he came on he really changed the game today.... "sigh"
Bye Bye Ashley Ashley Young
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Ashley Young was a good player for the Villa and it's a shame to see him go. However, what's more difficult to take is that his departure seems to follow a trend in that we cannot seem to stop our best players leaving. At times it feels like we are a stepping stone or a feeder club incapable of keeping good footballers from leaving. I suspect Downing will stay for one more year (due to him being forced to respect his contract for one more year) and Bent will follow the year after, alongside Clark, Albrighton or whoever else shines in a Villa shirt between now and then.
This is not a recent thing either, remember Southgate leaving for Middlesbrough due to the perceived (and probably accurate) lack of ambition at the Villa. Ok that was a bad decision in hindsight but the point still stands. If players think the likes of Boro have more ambition than us then how on Earth are we ever gonna attract the top players, never mind keep the ones who are already here?
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HITS you are right and that is why we now need to make a managerial appointment in alighnment with our ambition, i guess the appointment will tell us where we are in terms of ambition.
MON was a top 6 manager with a few cup runs, can we go beyond that?
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This comment below from Ash after the match does not point to a done deal.
Young has been tipped to quit Villa Park with Manchester United and Liverpool interested.
And the former Watford man insists he will sit down with club chiefs soon and sort out his future.
He said: "I'm going away on holiday but I said at the end of the season I would speak to the manager.
"That is where it stands. Now I'll go back and speak to the chairman and we will take it from there."
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3618871/England-hero-Ashley-Young-Ive-proved-my-point.html#ixzz1OLIdDloh
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Whatever Ash does from here, I am very impressed with the way he has conducted himself over this. If he goes to Manu, re then he has my best wishes. If he goes to Citeh I will think he has made a mistake. If he goes to Liverpool thats just stupid.
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Whatever Ash does from here, I am very impressed with the way he has conducted himself over this. If he goes to Manu, re then he has my best wishes. If he goes to Citeh I will think he has made a mistake. If he goes to Liverpool thats just stupid.
Agreed.
I still have some faith in that he stays.
Ash has been such an exciting player to watch, he's been my favourite player ever since he joined us. I love his swagga too.
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He's gone. :(
In an ideal world he would stay and we would get in a top manager who can produce this focused Ash we see in some of his England performances.
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Aye, bigger loss than Milner or Barry.
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Yep he is outta here, after today's game and the comments he will have a obligatory meeting with Randy and then he will go to Manure, shame but that is the modern game.
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What comments? What he say?
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What comments? What he say?
Oh, I'd say something like "every player wants to play at teh highest level and I'm no different" and possibly a "it's always flattering to be linked with clubs like Utd" and a little "I will now go on my holidays and relax after what has been a ling season" etc etc.
He'll be holding teh Man Utd shirt within 2 weeks
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And how many other players wouldnt have even bothered to say that in an interview. He is doing things properly - he is still under contract to us. Unlike Fat Barry did.
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Theres not much else he can say, really, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't
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Yeah, those interviews are no-win. I was commenting more on the standard responses they're taught to say. They are pointless.
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And how many other players wouldnt have even bothered to say that in an interview. He is doing things properly - he is still under contract to us. Unlike Fat Barry did.
What has he done that's so different to what Barry did?
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And how many other players wouldnt have even bothered to say that in an interview. He is doing things properly - he is still under contract to us. Unlike Fat Barry did.
What has he done that's so different to what Barry did?
Well so far, Ashley has'nt gone running to the NOTW saying how much he wants to leave and that he'd only leave Villa for a Champs League Club. I remember the article well, two pages long, a picture of Bazza lying down looking depressed etc...
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And how many other players wouldnt have even bothered to say that in an interview. He is doing things properly - he is still under contract to us. Unlike Fat Barry did.
What has he done that's so different to what Barry did?
Well so far, Ashley has'nt gone running to the NOTW saying how much he wants to leave and that he'd only leave Villa for a Champs League Club. I remember the article well, two pages long, a picture of Bazza lying down looking depressed etc...
If he was as honest as Barry he would have done.
File Young in with Milner in the snide, "we haven't got the balls to admit we want out" file.
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And how many other players wouldnt have even bothered to say that in an interview. He is doing things properly - he is still under contract to us. Unlike Fat Barry did.
What has he done that's so different to what Barry did?
Well so far, Ashley has'nt gone running to the NOTW saying how much he wants to leave and that he'd only leave Villa for a Champs League Club. I remember the article well, two pages long, a picture of Bazza lying down looking depressed etc...
If he was as honest as Barry he would have done.
File Young in with Milner in the snide, "we haven't got the balls to admit we want out" file.
It's all a game to them though - and the game isn't football, it's maximizing revenue opportunities and enhancing their agent's waistlines.
Be interesting to see if Ash waits to see who our next Manager is before making his mind up.
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And how many other players wouldnt have even bothered to say that in an interview. He is doing things properly - he is still under contract to us. Unlike Fat Barry did.
What has he done that's so different to what Barry did?
Well so far, Ashley has'nt gone running to the NOTW saying how much he wants to leave and that he'd only leave Villa for a Champs League Club. I remember the article well, two pages long, a picture of Bazza lying down looking depressed etc...
If he was as honest as Barry he would have done.
File Young in with Milner in the snide, "we haven't got the balls to admit we want out" file.
No, that's bollocks mate.
He's a professional footballer, and he has the opportunity to further his career significantly. He's probably given us more than anyone in the last four years, we'll still get a decent fee so good look to him, I think wherever he goes he'll be a star.
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If we can't get NZogbia, I think we should go for Junior Hoilett.
Get both and fuck off Downing. Trouser £10m and sign a top left back.
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Don't think he'll (AY) be around when the new manager is appointed unless the manager makes it a condition of employment
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Don't think he'll be around when the new manager is appointed unless the manager makes it a condition of employment
I wonder how many managers would want this when the alternative is that there's an £18m hole in next seasons transfer budget because Young walks away at the end of the season.
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And how many other players wouldnt have even bothered to say that in an interview. He is doing things properly - he is still under contract to us. Unlike Fat Barry did.
What has he done that's so different to what Barry did?
Well so far, Ashley has'nt gone running to the NOTW saying how much he wants to leave and that he'd only leave Villa for a Champs League Club. I remember the article well, two pages long, a picture of Bazza lying down looking depressed etc...
If he was as honest as Barry he would have done.
File Young in with Milner in the snide, "we haven't got the balls to admit we want out" file.
No, that's bollocks mate.
He's a professional footballer, and he has the opportunity to further his career significantly. He's probably given us more than anyone in the last four years, we'll still get a decent fee so good look to him, I think wherever he goes he'll be a star.
I agree with you but you've missed my point. I don 't blame Young for wanting to leave. He's given everything to the Villa cause in the last 4.5 years and owes us nothing. My point was about the stick Barry gets for being honest, where as Milner is almost patted on the back by many Villa fans despite staying here just a couple of years and then sneaking out the back door as soon as there's a big bid for him.
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Barry wasn't honest though. He made up some shit about O'Neill ignoring him through the summer, and only wanting champions league football in a massive spread in the filthiest rag of them all.
He dragged us through the mud for his own ends, the fat fuck.
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Barry honest?
In that article begging to be allowed to leave (which, while it may be honest in some respects, was pathetically short of tact), he cited one of the reasons he wanted to leave as "I need to play in my best position week in, week out, if i want to go to the World Cup" - despite O'Neill having transformed him from a half decent player to a regular England starter.
Milner's exit was understandable, if ill-judged in some ways.
Young's exit is inevitable, and understandable if it is Man United.
Barry's exit was sordid, tactless and slightly embarassing for all concerned.
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I didn't see anything sordid in Barry's exit. He was honest enough to admit he wanted out, and he got his wish. Young and Milner dodged questions and gave cliched answers to all questions regarding their futures and organised their Villa exits without admitting it to Villa fans.
Milner's exit was as snide and sneaky as any player ever to leave our club and it looks like Young's will be the same. Barry gets slagged off because he was honest even though he gave 11 years service to Aston Villa.
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So there's nothing sordid about that newspaper article?
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Let's be fair - Barry stuck around through some pretty thin times.
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Let's be fair - Barry stuck around through some pretty thin times.
Mainly because not that many people wanted him.
Although I do remember him wanting to be allowed to join Portsmouth.
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Correct - until MO'N joined, Barry was about to join Portsmouth under Harry. His departure was embarrassing in the sense of that article and the subsequent misguided, slightly ridiculous letter of apology/please understand me to the fans in the Mail. Young has been different. I genuinely think he wanted Villa to achieve his ambitions, he definitely has an affinity for Villa, you can see that in the way he plays/cares every week. But it looks as though he has got the opportunity to go onto join arguably the biggest club in the world and if he leaves Villa for that, then I for one will wish him well because it will be as much a footballing decision as one driven by financial gain.
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sorry but footballing decisions and financial gain cannot be separated in the modern game we currently have.
Fifa's a prime example of that....wait till the newly formed FA of tinky tonky manages to win the next World Cup staging.
A player's agent will never let his client stay around for footballing decisions..lets face it the sooner Manure have signed all the best players and loan out the ones they can't play, we are going to see this go on and on and on....