Summer 2024 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.

[Clampy]

I do wonder if our complete lack of midfield options when we got to the crunch last season has spooked Unai a bit. Having a good back up for Kamara is vital, this Barronechea seems to replace Tim and Dendonker. If we take it Barkley is replacing Luiz, we are net at the same position, Youri, McGinn, the Barron, Barkley, Kamara. I think we're still one short in there with the way we play. I think it's unlikely to be Onana though. More likely a player that can play a number of more advanced midfield roles.

Not forgetting Ramsey and Rogers as well.

[AV82EC]

A month ago if asked I woud have thought Luiz was worth at least £80m, even in the current slightly soft market.  As promising as these lads may be I just don't see how this deal stacks for us.  It feels like Juve have absolutely had our pants down.

But if his release clause was €60m when he signed that new deal under legohead then we’ve got no choice than accept it and maximise value which we have done.

[ozzjim]

If we take it Barkley is replacing Luiz, we are net at the same position

I'm certainly not against the Barkley idea in principle, but imagine that statement six months ago - it would have seemed absurd. It still feels pretty nuts even with Barkley's decent end to the season.

Agreed. Which is why I still think there will be a "midfielder" to come. Probably a more advanced 10 like player that can drop back in. Baena would be my guess. Until Kamara is back though, we are weaker on paper.

[Risso]

I really don't think it's as black and white as 'Barkley replaces Luiz'. Unai is nothing if not flexible, and as Dave points out above hopefully we're going to end the summer stuffed with midfielders. I think Tielemans is the most obvious like-for-like replacement, but in any case, in Tielemans, Barkley and McGinn, Unai has got three players who can all play next to Kamara, or pretty well anywhere else on the pitch. And that's without the likes of Rogers, Ramsey, and whoever the latest makeweight is who Juventus have found down the back of the sofa.

[cdbearsfan]

Not sold on the Barkley idea, but hoping he's going to be a squad player rather than first choice. Unless he plays brilliantly when he gets his chance and earns his place, in which case fair enough obviously.

[PaulWinch again]

I think there’s a degree of recency bias and also a natural desire to think things are positive for us when it comes to Doug leaving. When he was playing his best role, he was absolutely sensational and vital to our brilliant first half of the season.

[chrisw1]

A month ago if asked I woud have thought Luiz was worth at least £80m, even in the current slightly soft market.  As promising as these lads may be I just don't see how this deal stacks for us.  It feels like Juve have absolutely had our pants down.

But if his release clause was €60m when he signed that new deal under legohead then we’ve got no choice than accept it and maximise value which we have done.

There's been no mention of a release clause whatsoever and I'm convinced there isn't one.

[Olneythelonely]

I think there’s a degree of recency bias and also a natural desire to think things are positive for us when it comes to Doug leaving. When he was playing his best role, he was absolutely sensational and vital to our brilliant first half of the season.

But it’s also fair that people think Emery probably knows what he’s doing. Luiz clearly wants to leave, we need to raise funds, and Juve appear to be the only club with any real interest in him.

Luiz was integral to our great first half to the season, and was pants since January (for the large part), probably because Kamara was the vital cog. But as you say, it’s difficult to tell due to his change in role.

No one knows who gets the best deal here, well likely have a better idea within 12 months. But this is a deal we have to do, and Juve clearly have some players that Emery wants.

[SaddVillan]

A month ago if asked I woud have thought Luiz was worth at least £80m, even in the current slightly soft market.  As promising as these lads may be I just don't see how this deal stacks for us.  It feels like Juve have absolutely had our pants down.

Numbers, numbers  - just wondering about the Dougie swap deal. We all recognise that it was driven to a great extent by our to get money in before June 30 for FFP/PSR.



Therefore as a swap, it will it need to be "presented" for accounting purposes in a way that meets our  (and Juve's) FFP/PSR requirements.

What's a player’s real value?

You only find out when you sell him and the beauty of a swap deal is that the FA/UEFA/Italian FA won't see an outgoing bank transfer amount in Juve's bank statements when double checking FFP/PSR numbers. They'll have to accept whatever valuations both clubs have used in the deal.

[Risso]

I think there’s a degree of recency bias and also a natural desire to think things are positive for us when it comes to Doug leaving. When he was playing his best role, he was absolutely sensational and vital to our brilliant first half of the season.

And after Kamara was out, he was mostly rubbish. I'm sorry, but he was. I'm not sure that a player whose form depends so much on another player is that irreplaceable. I love Doug, and wish he was staying, but I also think it's good business and I'd much rather sell him than Martinez, Watkins or Ramsey.

[Rigadon]

I think there’s a degree of recency bias and also a natural desire to think things are positive for us when it comes to Doug leaving. When he was playing his best role, he was absolutely sensational and vital to our brilliant first half of the season.

And after Kamara was out, he was mostly rubbish. I'm sorry, but he was. I'm not sure that a player whose form depends so much on another player is that irreplaceable. I love Doug, and wish he was staying, but I also think it's good business and I'd much rather sell him than Martinez, Watkins or Ramsey.

Same here.

[eamonn]

I do wonder if our complete lack of midfield options when we got to the crunch last season has spooked Unai a bit. Having a good back up for Kamara is vital, this Barronechea seems to replace Tim and Dendonker. If we take it Barkley is replacing Luiz, we are net at the same position, Youri, McGinn, the Barron, Barkley, Kamara. I think we're still one short in there with the way we play. I think it's unlikely to be Onana though. More likely a player that can play a number of more advanced midfield roles.

Not forgetting Ramsey and Rogers as well.

I think we see them as left-sided options rather than central.

[Risso]

I do wonder if our complete lack of midfield options when we got to the crunch last season has spooked Unai a bit. Having a good back up for Kamara is vital, this Barronechea seems to replace Tim and Dendonker. If we take it Barkley is replacing Luiz, we are net at the same position, Youri, McGinn, the Barron, Barkley, Kamara. I think we're still one short in there with the way we play. I think it's unlikely to be Onana though. More likely a player that can play a number of more advanced midfield roles.

Not forgetting Ramsey and Rogers as well.

I think we see them as left-sided options rather than central.

They are, but I think both of them, especially Rogers, are more than capable of playing centrally if need be. In fact I think it might end up being Morgan's best position. He's strong and with great balance and loves driving at players with either foot.

[PeterWithe]

I think there’s a degree of recency bias and also a natural desire to think things are positive for us when it comes to Doug leaving. When he was playing his best role, he was absolutely sensational and vital to our brilliant first half of the season.

And after Kamara was out, he was mostly rubbish. I'm sorry, but he was. I'm not sure that a player whose form depends so much on another player is that irreplaceable. I love Doug, and wish he was staying, but I also think it's good business and I'd much rather sell him than Martinez, Watkins or Ramsey.

Same here.

But is it good business for £17m and two inexperienced and unheralded players few of us had heard of last week? Seems not to me, if the reported deal is true

[Risso]

But is it good business for £17m and two inexperienced and unheralded players few of us had heard of last week? Seems not to me, if the reported deal is true

Well that remains to be seen, there's no way of answering that until we see what the players are like on the pitch. If they're in any way as good as Rogers, then yes. And also if this is the most realistic way of achieving his full value, because nobody else is prepared to pay the full asking price in cash, then also yes.