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Author Topic: Loanwatch 2023/24  (Read 42848 times)

Online Dave

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #195 on: November 12, 2023, 08:47:06 AM »
There were loads of reports, followed afterwards by their chairman saying we'd never bid for him in the first place.

So while one could say "well, we didn't bid because we wouldn't offer what they were asking", it does cast a little bit of doubt on all those reports that were oh so sure we were trying to buy him.

Didn't he say that in January?

But hey, you might be right & I might be wrong.

I don't think my overall point about European clubs charging Prem clubs more than other European clubs is incorrect though...

Probably, but as per the post above this one - that seems reasonable enough. I'd try and force every last penny out of a club like us, too.

And as for Guendouzi, I think the most likely scenario is that we didn't actually want to sign him. Because if we did, we'd have signed him ahead of Lazio. Maybe if Tielemans had chosen to go somewhere else we'd have chucked £20m at him.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #196 on: November 12, 2023, 09:04:05 AM »
Also, the papers might have quoted €40m but if they sold to Lazio for £22m then they’d be crackers not to have sold to us for £25m. They’re not going to refuse to sell to a Premier League club just because we won’t pay 50% more for their player. Add the fact that our wage package would be higher and the player would be livid if they didn’t accept our offer. All that boils down to, we probably weren’t really after him in the summer, particularly once we’d signed Tielemans.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #197 on: November 12, 2023, 09:29:52 AM »
There were loads of reports, followed afterwards by their chairman saying we'd never bid for him in the first place.

So while one could say "well, we didn't bid because we wouldn't offer what they were asking", it does cast a little bit of doubt on all those reports that were oh so sure we were trying to buy him.

Didn't he say that in January?

But hey, you might be right & I might be wrong.

I don't think my overall point about European clubs charging Prem clubs more than other European clubs is incorrect though...

You are correct in that we get charged more but there’s a rather large element in that all PL clubs are considerably richer than all but a handful of clubs in Europe and they’re invariably keen buyers of talent and the market dictates that that means we’ll pay more. It might seem unfair but when our economic power is being used to buy all the talent it can surely be no surprise the owners of said talent will want a premium?

Oh, I see the logic in it from them & every club has to look after its own interests.

It just annoys me that after charging us the earth, they then go on & complain about our spending being unfair.

And I suppose with our sales & being forced to loan out because some clubs wont pay a players valuation, thats our fault for either asking too much or caving in.

Like I said, I would rather we gave Sanson to the likes of Middlesbrough for £500k than fuck about with loan after loan & then get fuck all for him because his contract has run down.

Same thing happened with Guilbert. The fans of the clubs that loaned him had him down as one of the best in their division. But their club wouldn't pay hardly anything for him & his value dropped off as his contract dwindled away with loan after loan...


There were loads of reports, followed afterwards by their chairman saying we'd never bid for him in the first place.

So while one could say "well, we didn't bid because we wouldn't offer what they were asking", it does cast a little bit of doubt on all those reports that were oh so sure we were trying to buy him.

Didn't he say that in January?

But hey, you might be right & I might be wrong.

I don't think my overall point about European clubs charging Prem clubs more than other European clubs is incorrect though...

Probably, but as per the post above this one - that seems reasonable enough. I'd try and force every last penny out of a club like us, too.

And as for Guendouzi, I think the most likely scenario is that we didn't actually want to sign him. Because if we did, we'd have signed him ahead of Lazio. Maybe if Tielemans had chosen to go somewhere else we'd have chucked £20m at him.

I think the truth probably falls somewhere in the middle.

We contacted his agent, he told us the valuation, for us, & we moved on.

The player himself during the summer mentioned that he was happy to stay in Marseille, so the transfer to Lazio seemed a bit strange.

But hey ho, its all done with now...
« Last Edit: November 12, 2023, 09:35:43 AM by pablo_picasso »

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #198 on: November 12, 2023, 10:04:35 AM »
I don’t reckon Sanson would be all that enamoured with the prospect of playing for Middlesbrough and the like…

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #199 on: November 12, 2023, 11:43:17 AM »
Transfer prices always seem to be artificially inflated above reality. Sky are a big reason why. They want to be able to crow at the end of the window about how Premier League clubs spent over £1bn whether it's true or not. I think they may have started a running totalizer that's on their straps throughout the summer too. You only have to look back at some of the reports over the summer of what we were supposedly paying for Pau Torres with what we apparently actually spent.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #200 on: November 12, 2023, 11:55:51 AM »
Transfer prices always seem to be artificially inflated above reality. Sky are a big reason why. They want to be able to crow at the end of the window about how Premier League clubs spent over £1bn whether it's true or not. I think they may have started a running totalizer that's on their straps throughout the summer too. You only have to look back at some of the reports over the summer of what we were supposedly paying for Pau Torres with what we apparently actually spent.

Yes, I heard that the true fee we paid for Ings was way off as well.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #201 on: November 14, 2023, 01:11:29 AM »
I understand that other leagues may look at the riches available in the PL and feel envious.

Having said that, Serie A didn't apologise for having all the money and signing the world's best players in a previous period of dominance. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

Within our own league, we have a deep-seated resentment of the Oil Clubs. Many would have been pleased that we got £100m for Grealish, even though I thought they'd got a bargain at the time. Now that the incompetence of Pep has reduced the value of the player to a fraction of his cost, it even strikes me as quite funny. Compare this with the enhanced value of almost all the Villa players since UE came in!

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #202 on: November 25, 2023, 04:29:17 PM »
Azaz puts Plymouth 2 - 0 up.

K-H also playing.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #203 on: November 25, 2023, 09:06:54 PM »
Philogene on the mark again for Hull.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #204 on: November 25, 2023, 10:45:42 PM »
Sadly not on loan though. We're unlikely to get him back based on the transfer clause (we have to be in the same division?). I think if he had bid his time a bit more, he could have got a run and made a stronger impression than Zaniolo.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #205 on: November 26, 2023, 09:26:01 AM »
Sadly not on loan though. We're unlikely to get him back based on the transfer clause (we have to be in the same division?). I think if he had bid his time a bit more, he could have got a run and made a stronger impression than Zaniolo.

I don’t recall the ‘same division’ clause.

Seems a bit if a cock up, if true, as the low fee suggested we were trying to maintain some control of the player’s future.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #206 on: November 26, 2023, 10:44:40 AM »
Sadly not on loan though. We're unlikely to get him back based on the transfer clause (we have to be in the same division?). I think if he had bid his time a bit more, he could have got a run and made a stronger impression than Zaniolo.

I don’t recall the ‘same division’ clause.

Seems a bit if a cock up, if true, as the low fee suggested we were trying to maintain some control of the player’s future.

Their chairman confirmed it recently.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #207 on: November 26, 2023, 11:58:34 AM »
Then they have cocked up well & good there...

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #208 on: November 26, 2023, 12:48:45 PM »
Not sure about a same division clause. I've seen qhat the chairman said and it read to me that if we pay £10m for him, he comes back to us.

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Re: Loanwatch 2023/24
« Reply #209 on: November 28, 2023, 12:42:53 AM »
Not sure about a same division clause. I've seen qhat the chairman said and it read to me that if we pay £10m for him, he comes back to us.

"If we're promoted, Villa will have the right to buy him back for £15m," explained Kesler.

 


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