Thanks Dean if the rumours are true about you wanting to buy Davis off us for £4m.
Quote from: paul_e on November 24, 2021, 12:51:59 PMI just don't see how anyone can have a definitive opinion on his ability (his fitness isn't a matter of opinion, he's been made of glass for the last 3-4 years).6 goals and 7 assists in 86 appearances, on the surface, looks terrible but the amount of those games where he was on the pitch for less than 15 minutes is huge. in terms of mniutes he has a goal or assist about every 2 1/2 games. What's impossible to say, because of his injury problems, is whether the goals/assists per game or per minutes is the more accurate stat.He has no future at Villa really, Watkins and Ings are miles ahead, Archer should be in front of him now and I suspect Caleb Chuk will as well before long and then we have Barry and Young who will come into things before long. That's why I can see him in the championship next year and, if that happens and the move helps him get over the injuries I can see him having a big impact in that league.1 Premier League goal3 goals against League 1 sides in various cups1 cup goal against a League 2 side2 in the ChampionshipHowever you dress it up, that's woeful.
I just don't see how anyone can have a definitive opinion on his ability (his fitness isn't a matter of opinion, he's been made of glass for the last 3-4 years).6 goals and 7 assists in 86 appearances, on the surface, looks terrible but the amount of those games where he was on the pitch for less than 15 minutes is huge. in terms of mniutes he has a goal or assist about every 2 1/2 games. What's impossible to say, because of his injury problems, is whether the goals/assists per game or per minutes is the more accurate stat.He has no future at Villa really, Watkins and Ings are miles ahead, Archer should be in front of him now and I suspect Caleb Chuk will as well before long and then we have Barry and Young who will come into things before long. That's why I can see him in the championship next year and, if that happens and the move helps him get over the injuries I can see him having a big impact in that league.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 24, 2021, 03:58:09 PMI'll reiterate, if he belonged to another club with that career and injury record and he was linked with us to be a PL striker, we'd be horrified. In fact, I would argue fans of most Championship clubs would be also.What is your point though? No one is saying he should be playing for us or that he'd be a good option for a team in the top half of the premier league. We're saying his record is misleading and if he can get, and stay, fit he'd be good in the championship.
I'll reiterate, if he belonged to another club with that career and injury record and he was linked with us to be a PL striker, we'd be horrified. In fact, I would argue fans of most Championship clubs would be also.
Quote from: Risso on November 24, 2021, 01:57:05 PMQuote from: LeeB on November 24, 2021, 01:37:30 PMTalksport levels of debate from Risso there.It's a shame as I think he's capable of more, maybe injuries sustained falling through his own ceiling have taken their toll. He's got three league goals in 4 years, and the rest (such as they are) against lower league shite in cups. He's a Chorley FM level striker, abysmal. I can't believe there's even a discussion to be had.I'm laughing my balls off. Davis is fucking gash. He's a Championship level player at absolute best. And that's being kind. Let's put it like this. If we were linked with him in January we'd be horrified. He is our modern version of Jordan Bowery.
Quote from: LeeB on November 24, 2021, 01:37:30 PMTalksport levels of debate from Risso there.It's a shame as I think he's capable of more, maybe injuries sustained falling through his own ceiling have taken their toll. He's got three league goals in 4 years, and the rest (such as they are) against lower league shite in cups. He's a Chorley FM level striker, abysmal. I can't believe there's even a discussion to be had.
Talksport levels of debate from Risso there.It's a shame as I think he's capable of more, maybe injuries sustained falling through his own ceiling have taken their toll.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 24, 2021, 03:27:03 PMQuote from: Risso on November 24, 2021, 01:57:05 PMQuote from: LeeB on November 24, 2021, 01:37:30 PMTalksport levels of debate from Risso there.It's a shame as I think he's capable of more, maybe injuries sustained falling through his own ceiling have taken their toll. He's got three league goals in 4 years, and the rest (such as they are) against lower league shite in cups. He's a Chorley FM level striker, abysmal. I can't believe there's even a discussion to be had.I'm laughing my balls off. Davis is fucking gash. He's a Championship level player at absolute best. And that's being kind. Let's put it like this. If we were linked with him in January we'd be horrified. He is our modern version of Jordan Bowery.Davis has his faults, goal scoring primarily, but he has had good games for us. Nowhere near as bad as Bowery, Helenius or any of those jokers.
I have nothing against Davis but he's fucking shite and that is not going to change. He may leave.
Davis is much better than a lot on here make out. Unfortunately his fitness (or lack of it) is ruining his career.I don’t think he’s got a future with us unless by some miracle he can stay fit so a move to the championship may be the best thing for both sides.
that's what Davis may be remembered most for
Quote from: Risso on November 24, 2021, 01:57:05 PMQuote from: LeeB on November 24, 2021, 01:37:30 PMTalksport levels of debate from Risso there.It's a shame as I think he's capable of more, maybe injuries sustained falling through his own ceiling have taken their toll. He's got three league goals in 4 years, and the rest (such as they are) against lower league shite in cups. He's a Chorley FM level striker, abysmal. I can't believe there's even a discussion to be had.I think the debate seems to be polarised between people who think he's rubbish, and people who don't think he's good enough for us, but at the same time believe he's "not entirely rubbish". I don't believe anyone is saying he should be getting a run of games for us? I think we've moved way past that level now as a club (thankfully).However, if league goals is the only real objective measure of a striker, then you'll be calling for Louie Barry to be given a free transfer in January, given he's spent this season in lowly League One and yet still hasn't scored a single league goal? I'm being facetious, clearly, just pointing out you can't score goals if you don't play - and Davis hasn't played regularly for us since he was 19 and Steve Bruce was manager.EDIT: for the record, I hope he moves on and does well wherever he goes. I always have a soft spot for young players that don't quite make it with us, as opposed to established pros that we jettison or ask to leave.
Keinan Davis has vowed to repay the belief shown in him by Dean Smith after the Aston Villa manager compared the striker with the late Cyrille Regis.Given a rare start, Davis scored his first goal for almost 20 months, and only his fourth in 46 appearances, in Villa’s 6-1 Carabao Cup second-round rout of League Two Crewe at Gresty Road on Tuesday night.The performance of the 21-year-old delighted Smith, who said: “Keinan is a handful. I don’t think there are too many centre-halves in any league who would want to play against him.“He is physical, strong, and I was really pleased he got his goal. At times, that’s the only thing that’s missing from his appearances.”Comparing Davis to former England and West Brom striker Regis, Smith added: “He is a throw-back centre-forward, a bit like a Cyrille Regis, from those days – God bless Cyril.“But Keinan’s performance was excellent. He made the ball stick in and around him, brought others into play really well, and then got on the end of a few crosses as well.”With Smith only signing one striker over the summer in £22million Wesley from Club Brugge, he has promised Davis game time this season which is why he opted not to go out on loan.Davis said: “In the transfer window he (Smith) told me he wanted me to stay, which gave me massive confidence, and now I’m trying to repay him with my performances.“At the start (of pre-season) I thought about going out on loan, that maybe I wouldn’t play as much because I wanted to get as many games as I could.“But he kept on reassuring me, telling me ‘Stay and you’ll play’. I had to trust him. He reassured me so it was all good in the end. “He’s given me an opportunity, now I have to prove myself to him.”