Quote from: Ad@m on June 01, 2021, 07:06:45 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on June 01, 2021, 01:02:42 PMQuote from: Ad@m on May 28, 2021, 07:35:57 PMQuote from: Dante Lavelli on May 28, 2021, 06:46:31 PMDo any of the current stands lend themselves to safe standing?The Lower Holte would be ideal. Adding maybe 2-3k to the capacity and also adding to the atmosphere. Having googled it, Xia reckoned that two areas of the lower holte could be used. Might as well do the whole thing and avoid issued with standing/sitting in the same stand. Someone more qualified than me will be able to confirm but I don't think you could increase the capacity of an already built stand by converting it to safe standing as the capacity is dictated by the safety certificate which is driven by entrances, exits and concourse areas.But can you get an updated safety certificate assuming access etc is up to scratch?Probably but the only way it'll show a higher capacity would be if there were more turnstiles, exits, gangways, etc which can't be done without rebuilding the stand. What if there's already enough to cope with a higher capacity? I'm not saying there is, but surely an analysis has to be done?
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 01, 2021, 01:02:42 PMQuote from: Ad@m on May 28, 2021, 07:35:57 PMQuote from: Dante Lavelli on May 28, 2021, 06:46:31 PMDo any of the current stands lend themselves to safe standing?The Lower Holte would be ideal. Adding maybe 2-3k to the capacity and also adding to the atmosphere. Having googled it, Xia reckoned that two areas of the lower holte could be used. Might as well do the whole thing and avoid issued with standing/sitting in the same stand. Someone more qualified than me will be able to confirm but I don't think you could increase the capacity of an already built stand by converting it to safe standing as the capacity is dictated by the safety certificate which is driven by entrances, exits and concourse areas.But can you get an updated safety certificate assuming access etc is up to scratch?Probably but the only way it'll show a higher capacity would be if there were more turnstiles, exits, gangways, etc which can't be done without rebuilding the stand.
Quote from: Ad@m on May 28, 2021, 07:35:57 PMQuote from: Dante Lavelli on May 28, 2021, 06:46:31 PMDo any of the current stands lend themselves to safe standing?The Lower Holte would be ideal. Adding maybe 2-3k to the capacity and also adding to the atmosphere. Having googled it, Xia reckoned that two areas of the lower holte could be used. Might as well do the whole thing and avoid issued with standing/sitting in the same stand. Someone more qualified than me will be able to confirm but I don't think you could increase the capacity of an already built stand by converting it to safe standing as the capacity is dictated by the safety certificate which is driven by entrances, exits and concourse areas.But can you get an updated safety certificate assuming access etc is up to scratch?
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 28, 2021, 06:46:31 PMDo any of the current stands lend themselves to safe standing?The Lower Holte would be ideal. Adding maybe 2-3k to the capacity and also adding to the atmosphere. Having googled it, Xia reckoned that two areas of the lower holte could be used. Might as well do the whole thing and avoid issued with standing/sitting in the same stand. Someone more qualified than me will be able to confirm but I don't think you could increase the capacity of an already built stand by converting it to safe standing as the capacity is dictated by the safety certificate which is driven by entrances, exits and concourse areas.
Do any of the current stands lend themselves to safe standing?The Lower Holte would be ideal. Adding maybe 2-3k to the capacity and also adding to the atmosphere. Having googled it, Xia reckoned that two areas of the lower holte could be used. Might as well do the whole thing and avoid issued with standing/sitting in the same stand.
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2021, 06:45:37 PMQuote from: The Edge on June 01, 2021, 06:32:20 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on June 01, 2021, 05:11:37 PMWho on earth is going to travel into Aston to visit a BoxPark style venue? No way can somewhere like that survive on 18 match days a season. A leisure type development is just pie on the sky with the grounds location. A more semi permanent area for mobile street food vendors with outdoor seating and some bars and perhaps a bit of weather cover could be an option though I guess.Villa Park is used way more often than Wembley so how does box park survive? It’s surrounded by huge resi towers now. I think there’s also a uni campus there too.Decent mobile street food options, with coverings, is probably the most viable option at Villa Park. Yeah I get that and Aston is hardly known for its thriving nightlife nowadays.But with the amount of matchday pubs we've lost around the ground and the fact that we're talking about extending the ground to around 50,000 something along those lines could be a good move. And don't forget it would be owned and run by the club and could be a valuable income stream on matchday.
Quote from: The Edge on June 01, 2021, 06:32:20 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on June 01, 2021, 05:11:37 PMWho on earth is going to travel into Aston to visit a BoxPark style venue? No way can somewhere like that survive on 18 match days a season. A leisure type development is just pie on the sky with the grounds location. A more semi permanent area for mobile street food vendors with outdoor seating and some bars and perhaps a bit of weather cover could be an option though I guess.Villa Park is used way more often than Wembley so how does box park survive? It’s surrounded by huge resi towers now. I think there’s also a uni campus there too.Decent mobile street food options, with coverings, is probably the most viable option at Villa Park.
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 01, 2021, 05:11:37 PMWho on earth is going to travel into Aston to visit a BoxPark style venue? No way can somewhere like that survive on 18 match days a season. A leisure type development is just pie on the sky with the grounds location. A more semi permanent area for mobile street food vendors with outdoor seating and some bars and perhaps a bit of weather cover could be an option though I guess.Villa Park is used way more often than Wembley so how does box park survive?
Who on earth is going to travel into Aston to visit a BoxPark style venue? No way can somewhere like that survive on 18 match days a season. A leisure type development is just pie on the sky with the grounds location. A more semi permanent area for mobile street food vendors with outdoor seating and some bars and perhaps a bit of weather cover could be an option though I guess.
Quote from: The Edge on June 01, 2021, 06:57:23 PMQuote from: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2021, 06:45:37 PMQuote from: The Edge on June 01, 2021, 06:32:20 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on June 01, 2021, 05:11:37 PMWho on earth is going to travel into Aston to visit a BoxPark style venue? No way can somewhere like that survive on 18 match days a season. A leisure type development is just pie on the sky with the grounds location. A more semi permanent area for mobile street food vendors with outdoor seating and some bars and perhaps a bit of weather cover could be an option though I guess.Villa Park is used way more often than Wembley so how does box park survive? It’s surrounded by huge resi towers now. I think there’s also a uni campus there too.Decent mobile street food options, with coverings, is probably the most viable option at Villa Park. Yeah I get that and Aston is hardly known for its thriving nightlife nowadays.But with the amount of matchday pubs we've lost around the ground and the fact that we're talking about extending the ground to around 50,000 something along those lines could be a good move. And don't forget it would be owned and run by the club and could be a valuable income stream on matchday. 19 days of the year?That's not a revenue stream.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2021, 08:50:08 PMQuote from: The Edge on June 01, 2021, 06:57:23 PMQuote from: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2021, 06:45:37 PMQuote from: The Edge on June 01, 2021, 06:32:20 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on June 01, 2021, 05:11:37 PMWho on earth is going to travel into Aston to visit a BoxPark style venue? No way can somewhere like that survive on 18 match days a season. A leisure type development is just pie on the sky with the grounds location. A more semi permanent area for mobile street food vendors with outdoor seating and some bars and perhaps a bit of weather cover could be an option though I guess.Villa Park is used way more often than Wembley so how does box park survive? It’s surrounded by huge resi towers now. I think there’s also a uni campus there too.Decent mobile street food options, with coverings, is probably the most viable option at Villa Park. Yeah I get that and Aston is hardly known for its thriving nightlife nowadays.But with the amount of matchday pubs we've lost around the ground and the fact that we're talking about extending the ground to around 50,000 something along those lines could be a good move. And don't forget it would be owned and run by the club and could be a valuable income stream on matchday. 19 days of the year?That's not a revenue stream.All the corporate is only 19 days a year. Is that not a revenue stream then?
Has there been anything to suggest that 'safe standing' might be a goer in the UK any time soon? Given recent events at citeh and spurs, I'd think not.
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 01, 2021, 08:52:41 PMHas there been anything to suggest that 'safe standing' might be a goer in the UK any time soon? Given recent events at citeh and spurs, I'd think not.What recent events?
Quote from: The Edge on June 01, 2021, 09:04:54 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2021, 08:50:08 PMQuote from: The Edge on June 01, 2021, 06:57:23 PMQuote from: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2021, 06:45:37 PMQuote from: The Edge on June 01, 2021, 06:32:20 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on June 01, 2021, 05:11:37 PMWho on earth is going to travel into Aston to visit a BoxPark style venue? No way can somewhere like that survive on 18 match days a season. A leisure type development is just pie on the sky with the grounds location. A more semi permanent area for mobile street food vendors with outdoor seating and some bars and perhaps a bit of weather cover could be an option though I guess.Villa Park is used way more often than Wembley so how does box park survive? It’s surrounded by huge resi towers now. I think there’s also a uni campus there too.Decent mobile street food options, with coverings, is probably the most viable option at Villa Park. Yeah I get that and Aston is hardly known for its thriving nightlife nowadays.But with the amount of matchday pubs we've lost around the ground and the fact that we're talking about extending the ground to around 50,000 something along those lines could be a good move. And don't forget it would be owned and run by the club and could be a valuable income stream on matchday. 19 days of the year?That's not a revenue stream.All the corporate is only 19 days a year. Is that not a revenue stream then? Yes, it is, but it's an existing function inside the stadium itself. It doesn't require any further investment.Also, re the earlier post, Wembley will be used way more often, by way more people, than Villa Park is. Not even close. Two enormous concert venues - the Arena and the Stadium - for a start. Then the massive conferencing venues around it, the residential flats, all of that. Villa Park has no footfall or commercial activity outside match days.re numbers: In the last 'normal' year, Wembley Stadium hosted 38 shows, 855,809 tickets sold. That's just concerts at the stadium.