In his post match interview Emery said he didn’t have the exact figures but “maybe it’s one goal out of 100 [that goalkeepers score from corners].‘And maybe 20 times they [the opposition] are doing the transition and 10 times they will score a goal. And today, it happened.”
Maybe we should point out to any want-away players that ex-Villa players lured by a promise of CL football have, at best, by and large, been anonymous and ineffectual in it.
Bosnich and Benteke both flopped badly post Villa. Yorke was a superstar for about maybe 2 seasons post Villa. The likes of Dortmund don't get too upset with players moving on but at a time the club decides.
Quote from: Allan C on February 22, 2023, 10:29:23 AMI’m sick to death of reading people seemingly happy to sell our best players but then moan when we’re hovering around the relegation zone when we have a bang average squad going nowhere. Who exactly would we replace Martinez with??? He’s currently our only world class player so let’s sell him!!!! We should be building around him and showing our ambition to encourage him to stay. Who is saying they'd be happy? Most seem to be saying they don't want him to leave / be sold, with some resigned to the notion that he probably will be. With the league being so weak this year, our chance to show ambition was January. Maybe there's method in the decision not to splurge (right players being available etc), but I'd imagine that's all a bit meaningless for an over-30 year old player who's stock is as high as it ever will be. And even if wed have spent big to leap the might of Brighton and Fulham into contention with 4th place, that STILL might not have convinced / worked. He will also likely have a release clause, so no amount of ambition shown / promised will matter if he wants out and a club he wants to go to triggers that clause.
I’m sick to death of reading people seemingly happy to sell our best players but then moan when we’re hovering around the relegation zone when we have a bang average squad going nowhere. Who exactly would we replace Martinez with??? He’s currently our only world class player so let’s sell him!!!! We should be building around him and showing our ambition to encourage him to stay.
He'd had time off to spend Christmas with the family - unusual enough for a footballer at that time of year. The U21s might have been good enough to beat Stevenage, we'll never know. What we do know is we didn't give ourselves the best possible chance to win that game. Some get that point, some don't. There are a finite amount of chances a player like Martinez has to win a cup with Villa. Our selections in both cup games under Emery looked more like we had fixtures to fulfill and wanted to get them out of the way.
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on February 22, 2023, 12:53:21 PMMaybe we should point out to any want-away players that ex-Villa players lured by a promise of CL football have, at best, by and large, been anonymous and ineffectual in it.The four ex-captains? we had that left to join Man City might disagree as they all won PL medals. Barry was a key player for them if I recall correctly and is still fondly remembered by their fans today. I think even Delph had at least one very strong season at left back for them. The other two from memory were more squad players, still time for Grealish to shape his legacy there. Bosnich and Benteke both flopped badly post Villa. Yorke was a superstar for about maybe 2 seasons post Villa. The likes of Dortmund don't get too upset with players moving on but at a time the club decides.
Quote from: Smithy on February 22, 2023, 01:56:46 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2023, 04:52:00 PMQuote from: Smithy on February 21, 2023, 03:06:11 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2023, 02:25:31 PMQuote from: Smithy on February 20, 2023, 09:03:35 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 05:44:12 PMQuote from: Chris Smith on February 20, 2023, 12:26:54 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 11:53:33 AMI thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.So theoretically, come the end of the season you'd prefer we have less one goal against than one more point. You say it was the wrong decision because we didn't score but had we scored, what, it would have been the right decision? Maybe if Emery has said it was pointless Emi going up for the final corner in the last minute of the game because we're shit at corners and still don't know how to take them*, he'd have a more valid point.*Luiz had been subbed.No, I'd much prefer the point. Who wouldn't? But the mistake you've made is in thinking that us scoring a goal while the keeper is up is AS LIKELY as us conceding one when he's up. It's not. One is FAR more likely than the other. I don't have the numbers required to tell you what those probabilities are, but I guarantee the clubs know them. If having your goalie go up for a set piece increased your chances of scoring more than it increased your chances of conceding, then EVERY club would do it - for EVERY single set piece. The simple fact is it doesn't. The opposite is true. It makes it more likely you'll concede, which is why teams don't do it. Attackers and the ball move FAR quicker than goalies, so if you DON'T score you're facing a counter attack with your goal defended by players who can't use their hands while your goalie "sprints" back into position.As I've said repeatedly, it's a desperate last throw of the dice, and generally only makes sense when the risk of conceding another goal makes little to no difference.Like saturday.
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2023, 04:52:00 PMQuote from: Smithy on February 21, 2023, 03:06:11 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2023, 02:25:31 PMQuote from: Smithy on February 20, 2023, 09:03:35 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 05:44:12 PMQuote from: Chris Smith on February 20, 2023, 12:26:54 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 11:53:33 AMI thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.So theoretically, come the end of the season you'd prefer we have less one goal against than one more point. You say it was the wrong decision because we didn't score but had we scored, what, it would have been the right decision? Maybe if Emery has said it was pointless Emi going up for the final corner in the last minute of the game because we're shit at corners and still don't know how to take them*, he'd have a more valid point.*Luiz had been subbed.No, I'd much prefer the point. Who wouldn't? But the mistake you've made is in thinking that us scoring a goal while the keeper is up is AS LIKELY as us conceding one when he's up. It's not. One is FAR more likely than the other. I don't have the numbers required to tell you what those probabilities are, but I guarantee the clubs know them. If having your goalie go up for a set piece increased your chances of scoring more than it increased your chances of conceding, then EVERY club would do it - for EVERY single set piece. The simple fact is it doesn't. The opposite is true. It makes it more likely you'll concede, which is why teams don't do it. Attackers and the ball move FAR quicker than goalies, so if you DON'T score you're facing a counter attack with your goal defended by players who can't use their hands while your goalie "sprints" back into position.As I've said repeatedly, it's a desperate last throw of the dice, and generally only makes sense when the risk of conceding another goal makes little to no difference.
Quote from: Smithy on February 21, 2023, 03:06:11 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2023, 02:25:31 PMQuote from: Smithy on February 20, 2023, 09:03:35 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 05:44:12 PMQuote from: Chris Smith on February 20, 2023, 12:26:54 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 11:53:33 AMI thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.So theoretically, come the end of the season you'd prefer we have less one goal against than one more point. You say it was the wrong decision because we didn't score but had we scored, what, it would have been the right decision? Maybe if Emery has said it was pointless Emi going up for the final corner in the last minute of the game because we're shit at corners and still don't know how to take them*, he'd have a more valid point.*Luiz had been subbed.
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2023, 02:25:31 PMQuote from: Smithy on February 20, 2023, 09:03:35 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 05:44:12 PMQuote from: Chris Smith on February 20, 2023, 12:26:54 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 11:53:33 AMI thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.He didn't make the right decision though. We didn't score, and we immediately conceded. So it was the wrong decision. As I said above, sending the goalie up is an act of desperation, and ONLY makes sense if the rewards for a single goal FAR exceed the costs of conceding another one. A league game for a mid-table team in Feb simply doesn't qualify.Games are lost by the odd goal dozens of times every single weekend up and down the county, and do you know how many times the keeper goes up in the last couple of minutes? It's practically zero, because in 95% of cases the potential rewards do not outweigh the potential risks.If a goal in the 93rd minute would get us into Europe in our last game of the season, then by all means, send in the entire cavalry. But when you're 1-down in Feb to the league leaders? Nah.
Quote from: Smithy on February 20, 2023, 09:03:35 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 05:44:12 PMQuote from: Chris Smith on February 20, 2023, 12:26:54 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 11:53:33 AMI thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.Left with a choice of potentially getting a point or having no points and one additional goal in the minus column, I know what I'd choose. When you factor in the timing, a pissed off, emotional Emi or not, he made the right decision. Emery had so much to comment on about the game especially their third goal but he decided to be ridiculously petty instead. Each to their own.Agree it won't happen again, more's the pity.
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 05:44:12 PMQuote from: Chris Smith on February 20, 2023, 12:26:54 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 11:53:33 AMI thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.Our goal difference is at LEAST 10 worse than every team above us. And so goal difference could well cost us a place (or more) in the league come May. As others have said, it's SO rare that goalie going up actually results in a goal (not necessarily from them scoring it), that it should only be an option if the goal has huge positive consequences, and also negligible negative consequences if you lose another goal i.e. You're about to go out of a cup, or it's the final couple of games in the season and you need the point(s) to avoid relegation or to get a place in Europe. A league game in Feb simply doesn't qualify, as losing a goal has consequences.We lost 2-1 to Arsenal earlier in the season, but I don't remember Emi going up for a set-piece late in that game? If the third goal wasn't an OG I don't think he goes up - it was a rush of blood to the head based on him feeling responsible for us being behind against his old club.It won't happen again, I'm sure of that.
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 20, 2023, 12:26:54 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 11:53:33 AMI thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.He's an idiot then. It was the 98th minute, we're 3-2 down, sure Emi's unlikely to score but he can add a bit of chaos in the box and maybe somebody else might score. I'm really struggling to understand why he's making such a big fuss over nothing. The media have picked up on it accusing him of throwing Emi under the bus etc. It's all very Steven Gerrard.
Quote from: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 11:53:33 AMI thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.Emery was very that he won’t be doing it again.
I thought Martinez had a poor game - his distribution was way off. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly a shit keeper and we should sell him.I've not got a problem with him going up for the corner. Sometimes it pays off - it's a hail Mary.
40m fee speculated on Twatter.If we sold for that or there is a clause in the contract for that, that's an insult.You'd pay more for a worse keeper.
the best goalkeeper in the world? No
Copyright Clough, Brian.
You can literally make anything up on Twitter and get people to believe it. Think about it rationally. Before he signed his new contract he would have been worth way more than that in today’s market. Let alone now
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