Emi Martinez

[dave.woodhall]

Ignore him. He'll get bored before we do.

[BC54 VFC]

I do normally, Dave, I just couldn't resist that! Hope that you and yours are all well.

[Smoke]

Can someone explain the neal maupay references please? I've seen it a couple of times mentioned Emi should be greatful to him but I can't make the link in my head!

[PeterWithesShin]

Can someone explain the neal maupay references please? I've seen it a couple of times mentioned Emi should be greatful to him but I can't make the link in my head!

He crocked Leno, which meant Emi had that end of season run of games. We then signed him, and the rest is history. Without that end of season run for Arsenal, would we have signed him? Things could have been very different.

[LukeJames]

Can someone explain the neal maupay references please? I've seen it a couple of times mentioned Emi should be greatful to him but I can't make the link in my head!

Martinez made his debut for Arsenal after Maupay injured Leno, after that he went on to play the rest of the season and win the FA Cup. Leno came straight back in after recovering from injury but due to his performances in that spell he had us and Brighton bidding for him. Up until the Maupay incident he had only played in the lower leagues.

[SaddVillan]

From the Torygraph:

Emiliano Martinez once conceded three goals at Port Vale on loan for Oxford United, and that was only 10 years ago, which just goes to show that the psychology of a goalkeeper is built over many different experiences. In those days he was called Damian on a teamsheet but Emi – the abbreviation of his middle name that he goes by – is a different guy.

Would Damian have taken the golden glove trophy handed to him by the Emir of Qatar and placed it on his groin as he walked past the World Cup trophy with the eyes of the globe upon him? Winning a World Cup final can do strange things to a man. The man from Aston Villa had put it all on the line in the penalty shoot-out. He had danced like Alan Pardew. He had been pushed back forcibly by the Polish referee Szymon Marciniak to take his place on the goal line. He had watched as two French penalty-takers had wilted in his glare.

Martinez has set a new bar for what devotees of the 21st century culture of badinage like to describe as s---housery. Depending on where you stand on that kind of gamesmanship then that bar is either set very high, or very, very, low.

There was a moment before Aurelien Tchouameni’s off-target penalty when Martinez threw the ball away from the Frenchman and the referee. By the time he was refusing to budge from the penalty spot for Randal Kolo Muani’s subsequent penalty, the last of France’s four, Marciniak could feel himself losing control. He walked Martinez backwards and when that proved ineffective he booked the goalkeeper. The penalty was scored but the damage was already done.

Martinez is a great goalkeeper when it comes to penalties and the rest, and the Argentine nation will not quibble with the means by which he introduces doubt to the opponent. Against the Netherlands in the quarter-finals it felt like a reasonably fair exchange of unpleasantries. This time Martinez’s behaviour was uncomfortable. The penalty shoot-out is a cruel test and no-one understands this better than the professionals themselves. They deserve from each other some basic level of respect in the moment.

Some will say that when it comes to that level of gamesmanship, the end justifies the means. They may even say that no-one remembers the details. But this was a World Cup final and everyone will remember the details.

Martinez’s performance was more than the penalty shoot-out. His save in the final minute of extra time from Kolo Muani was one of the great moments of goalkeeping improvisation. Arms and legs thrown wide, hurtling towards the French substitute to close down
the angle available. This was a great goalkeeper at work. His career is a testament to perseverance. A lifetime spent at Arsenal in order never to win that No 1 shirt. In 10 years at the club as a professional he played just 38 times.

He went on loan at Oxford, Sheffield Wednesday, Rotherham United, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Getafe and Reading. He speaks English like an Englishman. At Villa, where he moved permanently in 2020, he is a first choice at last. There are a lot of lost years in that career but when it comes to a night like this then perhaps they were all worth it.

In his international life there were eight years between his first call-up for the Argentina squad in 2011 and his second in 2019. He made his debut for the team in June last year and his second cap was in the Copa America. That was the tournament which Argentina went on to win and in which Martinez played a key role.

Messi himself seems to admire the new goalkeeper by his side and it was to Martinez that he turned in the moment of victory over the Netherlands. Four years ago, Martinez played his single game of the season for Arsenal in the Europa League at home to Qarabag of Azerbaijan. By January he was off to Reading in the Championship. Now he is friends with the greatest player on earth and a World Cup winner.

This is one of the great World Cup stories, of the understudy suddenly elevated to a place in history. There will have been many more games in many alternative goalkeeping careers but none quite like this one in Doha on the last Sunday of the 22nd World Cup finals.

Martinez has in the recent past saved a Copa America penalty from Colombia’s Yerry Mina in the semi-final of the competition. He asked Bruno Fernandes to give the ball to Cristiano Ronaldo last season and when the younger man took it himself he missed the target. These are all part of building the mythology and no doubt that all the French penalty-takers were well aware of what they would face in Martinez.

That they knew and yet still failed tells you the potency of it.

[olaftab]

I hope those couple of trophies Emi picked up tonight provide him with a bit of comfort after he missed out on our triumph in the Dubai Challenge Cup.

[SaddVillan]

So there you are.

Standing 5 yds from the ball on the penalty spot.

Looking at Martinez, who's already given you some verbal shite.

And you think:

 "He's completely mental and he saved pens for fun. I'm fucked - he's probably gonna save this. Oh well, here goes.........

Bollocks"

[cdbearsfan]

I hope those couple of trophies Emi picked up tonight provide him with a bit of comfort after he missed out on our triumph in the Dubai Challenge Cup.

Maybe, if he's really good, they might let him have his photo taken with one of the medals.

[KevinGage]

He looked like a man possessed in the build up to the shoot out.

Penalties should favour the kicker.

But with that loon, it feels like a 60-40 chance in favour of him always.

Hopefully we get the benefit of some of that in our run to Wembley in the second half of the season.

[eamonn]

What is that photo about when he's feigning fucking the golden glove as a disapproving Qatari chap glares at him?!

 Maybe this lewd behaviour is what's got Flinstone bent out of shape.

[purpletrousers]

Thanks for this SaddVillan.

Yes. It was interesting to hear in that brilliant Neil Cutler interview (please bring his thread back here from other football, that move was way premature) that the Fernandes baiting was originally planned for Ronaldo but he adapted it to be talking to him rather than Fernandes.

I think that is a really good write up, and highlights the ethical dilemma.

Against the Netherlands in the quarter-finals it felt like a reasonably fair exchange of unpleasantries. This time Martinez’s behaviour was uncomfortable. The penalty shoot-out is a cruel test and no-one understands this better than the professionals themselves. They deserve from each other some basic level of respect in the moment.

Some will say that when it comes to that level of gamesmanship, the end justifies the means. They may even say that no-one remembers the details. But this was a World Cup final and everyone will remember the details.

Playing at no level, I’d always prefer to lose fairly than use ‘the dark arts’ to win.

We knew better than anyone what was coming. I feel the discomfort. Yet a bit like the part of me that doesn’t want to be interested in the violence of boxing yet gets drawn in, 
So was part of me relishing the myth of our Emi growing.

If he’d done it successfully against England I’d be pissed off no doubt.
I guess I’ve been influenced by the narrative of us being too nice/soft underbelly. Cutler thought he’d take to club captaincy well, maybe there can be some shift in our mentality?

[astonvilla82]

A good tournament for him and Argentina but his actions at the end let himself,his country and his club down. You should not be acting like a 12 year old on the world stage. Show some respect.

I expect now he's won it we'll be losing him in the summer now the elite will be after him.

We REALLY need a better back up anyway as Olsen is terrible

we now have a arsehole in goal and about time, he's no different from a outfield player who deliberately brings a opponent down to stop play

[Rory]

I'm not a fan of the shithousery, I must say, but if it's what it takes for him to be so excellent, then so be it. If he wanted to celebrate every throw-in by farting on a photograph of Madeleine McCann, I wouldn't approve but that would be his method and his business.

It's not how I'd choose to go about things, but pretending modern football is a game of honour and fair play is delusional.

[Hillbilly]

I would say the French bench running onto the field to celebrate the winning 'goal' just before Emi saves it was pretty disrespectful.