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Online RamboandBruno

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #11895 on: Today at 09:39:19 PM »
True, but most people understand that talking about whether a striker is good or not takes a little more effort than looking at the top scorer list, that's the bit you've ignored for 18months.

Strikers are judged on goals first and foremost.

Footballers are judged on their contribution to their team, of which strikers and goals is one useful metric.

It is the most useful metric, by a long way. The only one that truly matters. You are absolutely in denial of you think otherwise.

No goalscoring strikers  ;D

About as useful as a goalkeeper who can pass out from the back but save next to nothing.
Go back and look at the list of our all time goal scorers from a few pages earlier and then consider how vital he was to our success this season, both goals and running defences ragged (see the final) despite an iffy first half a season and then maybe, just let it go for a bit hey? 

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #11896 on: Today at 09:58:08 PM »
There aren't many Strikers who have scored over 50 league goals in the last 3 seasons. To get one you're looking at £70m+ Yoanne Wissa scored just over 40 in 3 seasons and went for £50m+ and is a similar age profile.



Online Olneythelonely

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #11897 on: Today at 10:21:01 PM »
Well, he’s not assisting people up the stairs is he?

Doesn't matter.

When the subject at hand is scoring top scorers, assists aren't relevant

Ok then. Only 3 players scored more league goals than him this season, 6 last season, 3 the season before that and 7 the season before that. He’s one of the best goalscorers in the country and has been for a while.

As well as that, he gets loads of assists, including more than anyone in 2023/24. Happy to just say that this doesn’t matter. It’s just a bonus. You’re wrong whichever way you look at it.

You’ve chosen an odd hill to die on or you’re just extremely wedded to this schtick. Either way you or it are definitely dead.


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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #11898 on: Today at 10:41:44 PM »
True, but most people understand that talking about whether a striker is good or not takes a little more effort than looking at the top scorer list, that's the bit you've ignored for 18months.

Strikers are judged on goals first and foremost.

Footballers are judged on their contribution to their team, of which strikers and goals is one useful metric.

It is the most useful metric, by a long way. The only one that truly matters. You are absolutely in denial of you think otherwise.

No goalscoring strikers  ;D

About as useful as a goalkeeper who can pass out from the back but save next to nothing.

It really isn't, it used to be but the game played today relies on the striker doing a completely different job to the game you're harking back to where Shearer, Cole, Fowler, etc could be superstars where the only real job they had was to put the ball in the net.

Compare the premier league top scorer table for 1996 to today:

95/96 - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/torschuetzenliste/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/1995/ - 25 players 5 aren't centre forwards.
25/26 - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/torschuetzenliste/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/?saison_id=2025 - 10 aren't centre forwards.

Teams play to spread the goals around more, thanks to players like Ronaldinho we saw a global rise in wingers who wanted to drift in and get shots away, which almost immediately led to 2 of the greatest goalscorers in the history of the sport breaking through as, primarily, right wingers. In addition England in particular had a run of very high scoring central midfielders with the likes of Platt leading on to Scholes and then Lampard, Gerrard, etc, which again pulled young players away from the more specialist role of being a centre forward.

All combined the role of striker has changed from being the guy who finishes the move to being someone who plays an integral part in play for many phases before that. What you're trying to do is pretend non of that has ever happened and just fall back on "more goals means better striker" when the truth is that teams often score fewer goals if they have a striker who is only there to finish (Darren Bent was a fantastic example of this at most of his clubs).

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #11899 on: Today at 10:53:04 PM »
I think Ollie's ability as a goalscorer means defences have to concentrate on him leading to opportunities for Rogers, Buendia etc. I agree that the old metric of centre forwards from Jeff Astle through to Alan Shearer scoring shitloads of goals is too simplistic for 2026.

 


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