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Title: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 08, 2020, 03:25:58 PM
Seems safe to start this. Being reported in a number of places now that the deal £28m rising to £33m seems steep but thatís the good rate I suppose.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 08, 2020, 03:27:14 PM
Big price, best of luck if you join Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 08, 2020, 03:35:58 PM
good strikers cost a lot of money

a lot of bad ones do too
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 08, 2020, 03:39:33 PM
Did they throw in Benrahma for that fee too?

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Mister E on September 08, 2020, 03:41:13 PM
I'm delighted and think he'll do us proud. We now need an additional striker / winger and a CMF (L-Cheek, please!).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: gpbarr on September 08, 2020, 03:42:11 PM
Crazy money. He will get my 100% support but I sure hope this ends better than our recent history of buying overly expensive strikers from the Championship - Hogan, McCormack, Gestede, Kodija ......
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: darren woolley on September 08, 2020, 03:43:48 PM
Looking forward to seeing him play for us I think he will do well he's young and hungry and will want to prove himself in the top flight.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 08, 2020, 03:48:50 PM
Crazy money. He will get my 100% support but I sure hope this ends better than our recent history of buying overly expensive strikers from the Championship - Hogan, McCormack, Gestede, Kodija ......

Bit harsh on Kod he did perfectly well for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 08, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
Crazy money. He will get my 100% support but I sure hope this ends better than our recent history of buying overly expensive strikers from the Championship - Hogan, McCormack, Gestede, Kodija ......

Kodija despite injuries did alright. And Gestede was cheap, and we at least got the transfer fee back.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: DrGonzo on September 08, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
I'm happy about this.  Cover til Wesley gets fit and some competition in different positions.  I've got a reverse Han Solo about this one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: mr underhill on September 08, 2020, 03:54:57 PM
Watching Kodjia in his first season was almost as good as watching Benteke in his. Kodjia would have  been one of our better forward investments in recent years were it not for those ankle injuries. Ollie is clearly a player Dean covets so let's all get behind it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Risso on September 08, 2020, 03:57:48 PM
Crazy money. He will get my 100% support but I sure hope this ends better than our recent history of buying overly expensive strikers from the Championship - Hogan, McCormack, Gestede, Kodija ......

Bit harsh on Kod he did perfectly well for us.

Agreed, Kodjia certainly doesn't deserve to be spoken about in the same breath as those others.

This seems like an expensive acquisition, but one we're crying out for, so good luck Ollie, assuming it happens.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sickbeggar on September 08, 2020, 03:58:36 PM
Best of luck if he joins. Looks like the archetypal british goal-hanger who does fuck-all for 85 minutes and  scores two. This is a good thing. Smith has bet the house to back his judgement, so lets hope its not another fine mess he's got us into. One for the kids there...Ö..
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Dave on September 08, 2020, 04:00:29 PM
Even if he bombs (and by extension we do too), you'd think he's shown enough in the Championship that he'd be fine to get 25 goals to help get us back up or half his fee back from someone else.

Seems a bit lazy (our transfer policy, not him as a player), but he's the sort of player who will probably get the 12 or so goals that we were lacking from a striker last year and should make things a bit more comfortable than last time.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sickbeggar on September 08, 2020, 04:04:13 PM
Even if he bombs (and by extension we do too), you'd think he's shown enough in the Championship that he'd be fine to get 25 goals to help get us back up or half his fee back from someone else.

Seems a bit lazy, but he's the sort of player who will probably get the 12 or so goals that we were lacking from a striker last year and should make things a bit more comfortable than last time.
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yeah, a lot of my concern is not that we've bought a lemon, but whether he will find his feet straight away.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: LeeB on September 08, 2020, 04:08:31 PM
Even if he bombs (and by extension we do too), you'd think he's shown enough in the Championship that he'd be fine to get 25 goals to help get us back up or half his fee back from someone else.

Seems a bit lazy, but he's the sort of player who will probably get the 12 or so goals that we were lacking from a striker last year and should make things a bit more comfortable than last time.
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yeah, a lot of my concern is not that we've bought a lemon, but whether he will find his feet straight away.

I know it's a step up and all, but I'd be more confident of this lad starting well as he is 'running hot' and will carry his form into the new season, much like Tammy did with Chelsea.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: tim on September 08, 2020, 04:11:14 PM
That price is extreme.
Big risk/gamble at £33m, but sometimes these things pay off. Let's hope. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: KevinGage on September 08, 2020, 04:14:02 PM
First really noticed him in the 2-2 draw in Bruce's final season.

He wasn't playing directly up top that day but had good touch, strength and an edge to his game without being a twat like Maupay.

Came across really well in his post match interview as well. Not a reason to sign him on its own, admittedly. But sounds like he's not short of grey matter and thinks about his game.

Sign all the intelligent players.  Will make a refreshing change compared to some of the dopey individuals we've had over the years.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ozzjim on September 08, 2020, 04:17:02 PM
He looks good enough to grow as we do and improve as we do. If he gets 10-12 goals next season and we finish 15th ish, he will have done his job and we can then start to improve other areas of the squad enough to get him more support.

If we get the right players in around him, another quality winger, striker and central midfielder, then I think he will be very, very decent.

Outside bet to be knocking Wilson out of the England reckoning next summer would be nice.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Risso on September 08, 2020, 04:18:13 PM
He at least looks equally good up front or playing wider, which will give him an immediate advantage over Wesley.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Arsey on September 08, 2020, 04:24:04 PM
Just hope he is better than the last striker we bought from them
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: john e on September 08, 2020, 04:29:54 PM
33 million  pffft

mere bagatelle for our owners
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: fbriai on September 08, 2020, 04:31:01 PM
Can play across the front three, he's quick, scores with both feet and with his head, from in and outside the box, gets into good positions.

He has all the attributes. Think he'll turn out to be a fine signing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: malckennedy on September 08, 2020, 04:37:40 PM
Is it true that Mourinho was sniffing around?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Shrek on September 08, 2020, 04:38:07 PM
Is Watkins the highest scorer ever in the championship from open play?

Iíd be confident he is, because the only people to score more are likes of Mitrovic, Murray, McCormack, who all take pens donít they?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: frank black on September 08, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
Is it true that Mourinho was sniffing around?

Probably not, but the Rumour did the trick for Brentford.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: eamonn on September 08, 2020, 04:47:16 PM
Can he play as a winger too ?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Mister E on September 08, 2020, 04:47:56 PM
That price is extreme.
Big risk/gamble at £33m, but sometimes these things pay off. Let's hope. 
If we pay £33m, it means the risk paid off, triggering the add-ons.
At £28m, he's less than Leeds have paid for a 1-in-4 striker.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: KevinGage on September 08, 2020, 04:51:24 PM
Can he play as a winger too ?

More a wide forward in a three,

Similar to how Grabban could switch it up.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: john e on September 08, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
Can he play as a winger too ?

Weíve basically got 2 for the price of 1

absolute top notch negotiating skills
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 08, 2020, 05:03:38 PM
Is it true that Mourinho was sniffing around?

I don't think it'd got that far, but some rent-a-quotes had suggested that he could do worse than Watkins in his striker search. Some reports said he was in for Wilson.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: danno on September 08, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
Does he take penalties?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 08, 2020, 05:04:28 PM
ITSOTP?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 08, 2020, 05:05:00 PM
Brentford have seen us coming here.  The problem is we're desperate and couldn't risk waiting much longer and they knew it.  I doubt they would have got more than £20m off anybody else this window.

But needs must.  When we have a strong balanced squad we can pick and chose players to suplement the team and play the waiting game if needed.  We just weren't in a position to do that this time. 

I don't think I like Brentford anymore and hope this is the last time we do business with them for a good while.   

But welcome Ollie, it was one of the signings I was hoping for and hopefully he'll be great.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 08, 2020, 05:11:20 PM
He at least looks equally good up front or playing wider, which will give him an immediate advantage over Wesley.
He at least looks good which will give him an immediate advantage over Wesley.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: JJ-AV on September 08, 2020, 05:13:01 PM
Welcome aboard. I'm happy, looked good when I've seen him.

Re. the fee, we were desperate, have lots of money and haven't had long to prepare, it's a recipe for disaster. But Smith's got his man and now we've got a forward in we can afford to play the long game for the next one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 08, 2020, 05:17:39 PM
Just to be clear heís not aboard yet.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 08, 2020, 05:20:10 PM
Just to be clear heís not aboard yet.
good point - this is Aston Villa we're talking about...

Juninho.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: danno on September 08, 2020, 05:22:06 PM
On balance I'd probably prefer us overpaying for option A, than lashing out £20 million on option C or D.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Ads on September 08, 2020, 05:24:58 PM
Very happy when this is done. Big, quick, plays across the front 3, scores lots of different types of goals. Could careless about the fee.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SaddVillan on September 08, 2020, 05:28:53 PM
Hoping that the deal for Watkins goes through tomorrow.

No doubt some will complain about the price and £28m might seem high.

But:

Tammy Abraham scored 26 goals in 40 games for us when we got promoted. How much would we have been prepared to pay for him last summer if he'd been available - £25m, £30m?

Watkins scored 26 in 50 for Brentford. So you might think  that Abraham has a better goals per game record.

However:
Abraham got 6 pens, so 20 in 40 from open play. An average of 1 in 2
Watkins no pens at all. 26 from 50 in open play  - just over 1 in 2, marginally better than Tammy.

£28m seems reasonable.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Clampy on September 08, 2020, 05:32:27 PM
Hoping that the deal for Watkins goes through tomorrow.

No doubt some will complain about the price and £28m might seem high.

But:

Tammy Abraham scored 26 goals in 40 games for us when we got promoted. How much would we have been prepared to pay for him last summer if he'd been available - £25m, £30m?

Watkins scored 26 in 50 for Brentford. So you might think  that Abraham has a better goals per game record.

However:
Abraham got 6 pens, so 20 in 40 from open play. An average of 1 in 2
Watkins no pens at all. 26 from 50 in open play  - just over 1 in 2, marginally better than Tammy.

£28m seems reasonable.

The slight difference is, Tammy scored 25 the season before for Brizzle City and played in the Prem for Swansea. We did need a striker but I can understand the sharp intake of breath over the fee.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 08, 2020, 05:36:19 PM
if this bloke was plan A then I'm pleased.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: andyh on September 08, 2020, 05:36:53 PM
I canít say Iíve seen much of him, but his performance against Swansea in their play off semi final was brilliant.
I wonít mention the final though.

The fee is the fee, there is no point us getting wound up about it.

Iím sure heíll be miles better than all the forwards we have bought since Benteke.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: brontebilly on September 08, 2020, 05:39:37 PM
I canít say Iíve seen much of him, but his performance against Swansea in their play off semi final was brilliant.
I wonít mention the final though.

The fee is the fee, there is no point us getting wound up about it.

Iím sure heíll be miles better than all the forwards we have bought since Benteke.

As long as he settles quickly, there is going to be huge pressure on him but maybe no crowds will help. Watkins has huge potential as identifed by a poster on here a few years back, who was it ??

I had absolutely no faith in Wesley or Samatta ever being the answer so fingers crossed for Watkins.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: malckennedy on September 08, 2020, 05:43:43 PM
Very happy when this is done. Big, quick, plays across the front 3, scores lots of different types of goals. Could careless about the fee.

Agree with this. Not sure why so many people think we need to scrimp and save. If we need him and he's good, the price is for others to worry about - we can just enjoy the goals he'll score.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Big Ming on September 08, 2020, 05:46:17 PM
We must be single-handedly paying for Brentford's new stadium.

Still, assuming this goes through I will not be complaining. We need someone with a sniffers instincts (cue Kenneth Williams gif).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 08, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
Very happy when this is done. Big, quick, plays across the front 3, scores lots of different types of goals. Could careless about the fee.

Agree with this. Not sure why so many people think we need to scrimp and save. If we need him and he's good, the price is for others to worry about - we can just enjoy the goals he'll score.
not buying a striker will cost us a couple of hundred million pounds in relegation
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Clampy on September 08, 2020, 05:48:38 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: villa for life on September 08, 2020, 05:49:54 PM
I feel Watkins at this price is a better deal than C. Wilson at 20 mill just as long as we are prepared to play the long game and not expect him to score in every single game.

Dare I say it, I think heís a better deal than Tammy whoíd cost more. Still unconvinced Tammy will ever be a prolific premiership player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Villafirst on September 08, 2020, 05:59:31 PM
Cheap considering fees for strikers in this League. Havertz to Chelsea for £85m? Haller a flop to West Ham at £45m? Joelinton a flop to Newcastle at £40m? I think Ollie will do well for us. He is young, has pace, can hold the ball up and a decent scoring rate.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 08, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
We must be single-handedly paying for Brentford's new stadium.

Still, assuming this goes through I will not be complaining. We need someone with a sniffers instincts (cue Kenneth Williams gif).

Exeter can't have done badly out of us this summer either considering the deal for one of their kids and the sell-on fee for Watkins.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: OCD on September 08, 2020, 06:04:11 PM
If he does well and goes on to play for England, his fee will at least double. It seems a lot initially but that's the market. Wolves just paid £35m for an unknown, inexperienced 19 year old.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 08, 2020, 06:07:44 PM
I've followed his career with interest since he was a youngster at Exeter, and thought we could have done much worse than to have signed him when Brentford did.  He has progressed really well, and looks to have a great attitude, on and off the pitch.  My only reservation is that he performed badly when it really mattered in Brentford's last two league games of the season (when promotion was so much in their grasp), and then in the play-offs.  That aside, this is a signing that I don't think that we could have afforded to not make, and I'm very pleased with this.  I think he'll do well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 08, 2020, 06:12:06 PM
I feel Watkins at this price is a better deal than C. Wilson at 20 mill

Yes, I agree - given the choice of Watkins at this price of Wilson, with his multiple injury problems, at 20, I'd go for Watkins.

Wilson is going to be 33 at the end of that 5 year deal they have given him, too.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 08, 2020, 06:12:13 PM
He at least looks equally good up front or playing wider, which will give him an immediate advantage over Wesley.

In fairness Wesley is equally good in any position, makes just as crap a winger / goalkeeper as he does a striker.

He looks a far better player, and had scored more goals in a better league than Wesley had when we signed him.

Plenty of players step up well from the Championship and plenty fail. Let's hope he is a big hit. Whatever happens I can't fault the club for backing the manager.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: villa for life on September 08, 2020, 06:22:31 PM
I think they are backing Smith as some of the transfers he pushed for in previous years, whether at Villa or Brentford, seem to have come off. We canít be sure which were his signings and which were Susoís but Iím guessing the ones Smith advocated have proven a little more successful.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 08, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
I feel Watkins at this price is a better deal than C. Wilson at 20 mill

Yes, I agree - given the choice of Watkins at this price of Wilson, with his multiple injury problems, at 20, I'd go for Watkins.

Wilson is going to be 33 at the end of that 5 year deal they have given him, too.
completely agree.
The 2 players we have bought in add pace which has been desperately lacking.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: olaftab on September 08, 2020, 06:46:49 PM
I like this boy and agree that he is a much better  buy at £28M than Nowandthen Wilson at £20M.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: CT on September 08, 2020, 06:47:44 PM
I like this boy and agree that he is a much better  buy at £28M than Nowandthen Wilson at £20M.

Absolutely 100% this.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: mcgrath_85 on September 08, 2020, 06:50:25 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: LeeB on September 08, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.

No need for that, is there?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Clampy on September 08, 2020, 06:56:46 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.

Nice.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Ian J on September 08, 2020, 06:57:05 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.
Whatís the point of that? Clampy does have a point, one thing is for certain our owners are not scared to back the manager and they have certainly spent a huge amount of money since they saved us from disaster.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 08, 2020, 06:57:23 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.



Bit flirty 😳
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: brian green on September 08, 2020, 06:59:04 PM
Followed him since Exeter.   Bloody good player.  He will do well for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Villafirst on September 08, 2020, 07:05:14 PM
Followed him since Exeter.   Bloody good player.  He will do well for us.

Agree, he has all the attributes
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Clampy on September 08, 2020, 07:12:54 PM
Followed him since Exeter.   Bloody good player.  He will do well for us.

Brian did mention him a few times whenever he scored and I did give him a little bit of stick over it but fair play, it was a good spot, well hopefully it will be. Fair play Brian.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: brian green on September 08, 2020, 07:19:38 PM
Thank you Clampy. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 08, 2020, 07:34:41 PM
Heís got real pace.
Something weíve missed for a long time.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Drummond on September 08, 2020, 07:37:38 PM
Always nice signing a striker. The anticipation, hoping they'll be another hero of the Holte..
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Steve67 on September 08, 2020, 07:44:26 PM
Sign up fella.  Bring your mate with you.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PeterWithe on September 08, 2020, 07:46:31 PM
Glad weíve backed Deans judgement, fee seems far too high.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: themossman on September 08, 2020, 07:54:02 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
Get out of my dreams and into my bed.



Bit flirty 😳

😲
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 08, 2020, 07:54:19 PM
Cheap considering fees for strikers in this League. Havertz to Chelsea for £85m? Haller a flop to West Ham at £45m? Joelinton a flop to Newcastle at £40m? I think Ollie will do well for us. He is young, has pace, can hold the ball up and a decent scoring rate.


When you look at them this guy could be a bargain
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 08, 2020, 07:56:36 PM
Cheap considering fees for strikers in this League. Havertz to Chelsea for £85m? Haller a flop to West Ham at £45m? Joelinton a flop to Newcastle at £40m? I think Ollie will do well for us. He is young, has pace, can hold the ball up and a decent scoring rate.


When you look at them this guy could be a bargain

Yeah the JoeLinton fee was insanely poor value.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 08, 2020, 08:02:21 PM
Sod the money, thatís the way of the premier league world now, obscene but there you go. Iím really pleased, be happy enough if we could get josh king in as well to support the kid. Things looking up to me
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 08, 2020, 08:10:29 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.

Ouch! Are you responsible for said claims perchance?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: rougegorge on September 08, 2020, 08:19:07 PM
A lot of money, but if we can push the boat out, get Benrahma in as well as he was the top player in the Championship and combined so often with Watkins.

Watkins will certainly need a better supply than our current wide players provide, assuming that Smith sticks with his usual formation.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 08, 2020, 08:45:34 PM
I like this boy and agree that he is a much better  buy at £28M than Nowandthen Wilson at £20M.

That was my thought too. Expensive but hopefully in year we'll look back on it as a bargain.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ROBBO on September 08, 2020, 09:09:23 PM
We scraped through last season so top established players are out of the question, this lad is a gamble at the price but much prefer him to Wilson who has two dodgy knees. Villa have to support him with pace on the wings which we don't have at the moment.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 08, 2020, 09:28:43 PM
Really don't get our strategy sometimes. We've waited weeks seemingly low balling Brentford with bids and now we're signing him for potentially 10m more than most of us predicted (if he does as well as we all hope some of the add ons will be met).

Also with the fee I get the feeling he's our starting striker this year so huge pressure on him to hit the ground running as we need a striker with that sort of price tag to get more than 4 or 5 goals.

Hope he's up to it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: OCD on September 08, 2020, 09:43:41 PM
Really don't get our strategy sometimes. We've waited weeks seemingly low balling Brentford with bids and now we're signing him for potentially 10m more than most of us predicted (if he does as well as we all hope some of the add ons will be met).

Also with the fee I get the feeling he's our starting striker this year so huge pressure on him to hit the ground running as we need a striker with that sort of price tag to get more than 4 or 5 goals.

Hope he's up to it.

We don't know what Brentford's original asking price was at the end of the season. It explains why it's taken so long to do the deal though. Some of the price is because Exeter have a sell-on clause.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 09:44:51 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.

No need for that, is there?

No. Please be civil.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: olaftab on September 08, 2020, 09:45:43 PM
Medical tomorrow morning at BMH scheduled and hopefully followed by a shirt stretch.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Shrek on September 08, 2020, 10:21:36 PM
A lot of money, but if we can push the boat out, get Benrahma in as well as he was the top player in the Championship and combined so often with Watkins.

Watkins will certainly need a better supply than our current wide players provide, assuming that Smith sticks with his usual formation.

After watching his goals from last season, nearly every one comes from wide areas, we defo need to improve our wide to get the best from him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 08, 2020, 10:36:25 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Rory Christopher on September 08, 2020, 10:39:31 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PeterWithe on September 08, 2020, 10:41:13 PM
A lot of money, but if we can push the boat out, get Benrahma in as well as he was the top player in the Championship and combined so often with Watkins.

Watkins will certainly need a better supply than our current wide players provide, assuming that Smith sticks with his usual formation.

After watching his goals from last season, nearly every one comes from wide areas, we defo need to improve our wide to get the best from him.

Sounds a bit like Hogans video, Iím sure weíve learned.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: enigma on September 08, 2020, 10:50:29 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: LeeB on September 08, 2020, 10:57:10 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.

Yes, but it's someone else's job to worry about that. I didn't fall in love with football dreaming that one day I could balance the clubs wages to income ratio.

I just want to see centre forwards battering in goals.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Rory Christopher on September 08, 2020, 10:58:55 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.

None of us know the extent to which this fee impacts on our budget for future signings.

Those in charge of signings have made this decision and I think it looks decent value. If you disagree, that's perfectly fine, you may well turn out to be right. But we aren't just going to be able to sign every player we might want for the fees we want.

Ultimately, I think we needed this signing, and clearly we wanted Watkins. I'd rather we sign the players we really want, even if it means paying slightly over the odds, than settle.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 08, 2020, 11:04:19 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.

I still think thereís enough to get in a winger and hopefully a midfielder too. And if we get Martinez that will be the thick end of £100m net spend. I would like a fast left back too and sell off Taylor.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 08, 2020, 11:22:05 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Vast majority of our signings have been overpriced in last 10 years, probably even stretching back to MON years although that was more insane wages for 3m signings like Habib Beye.

It can impact on club long term and set us back seasons with FFP, we still can't get rid of Scott Hogan after all and McCormack drained wages off us for the full 4 years.

I don't think Watkins will be like either of those two thankfully. However if his goal output massively reduces at premier league level then we won't have too many clubs queueing up to pay 20m for him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 08, 2020, 11:25:21 PM
Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.
It's a perfectly valid opinion, which as it goes seems be shared by quite a few.  It's not as if we got utterly bummed but Brentford got a good deal out of us.  There's not much wrong with pointing that out is there?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: paul_e on September 08, 2020, 11:27:04 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

because we're 2 years on from having to sell the addons from transfers to pay the electric bill. Kinda makes finances feel important.

That said I'm more bothered by the wage bill than the transfer fees, that's why I'd rather spend a decent wedge on younger players than give a final big contract to older ones. Wages are far more of a money pit than transfer fees.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Monty on September 08, 2020, 11:27:49 PM
Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.
It's a perfectly valid opinion, which as it goes seems be shared by quite a few.  It's not as if we got utterly bummed but Brentford got a good deal out of us.  There's not much wrong with pointing that out is there?

Indeed not, they really have got good money from us for what is essentially a gamble. But hopefully it'll prove a gamble that makes it look a good deal all round in the end.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 08, 2020, 11:30:13 PM
Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.
It's a perfectly valid opinion, which as it goes seems be shared by quite a few.  It's not as if we got utterly bummed but Brentford got a good deal out of us.  There's not much wrong with pointing that out is there?

Well put it this way we've paid nearly 50m for Matty Cash and Ollie. Have they got the quality to push us up from 17th to 12th or even 10th? We'll soon see but players costing that much need to have potential to be top half players for us not just move us up a place.

Saw a few saying he'd be good for us if we get relegated, surely got to get past that mentality for new signings, I could fully understand that last summer but we need to kick on now towards mid table with what we're spending and signing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: gpbarr on September 08, 2020, 11:33:54 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.

And not giving a shit about the finances nearly bankrupt the club. Get serious - this is a business, not a hobby
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Rory Christopher on September 08, 2020, 11:41:53 PM
Have we overpaid, and if so, by how much?

We need new options in attack, I'm fairly confident the club didn't say "hey, what do you want for Watkins? £20m? Okay, we'll offer £28m".

If he's a player we want, that was valued at that by Brentford, and we decided he was worth it, then so be it. I don't think Jack is worth £80m but we're all happy enough if that means Man Utd fuck off and Jack is in our starting XI come the first game of the season.

Not dismissing anybody else's opinion, but I think this is a good signing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Rory Christopher on September 08, 2020, 11:43:28 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.

And not giving a shit about the finances nearly bankrupt the club. Get serious - this is a business, not a hobby

That must be why you're paid so much to monitor our transfer activity then.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 08, 2020, 11:47:21 PM
Irrespective of how FFP may be relaxed for a while now due to worldly issues, we are still not accountants.

Even what we think is ďvalue for money ď we will ultimately never know the true cost of a player or what income we have to cover that .

Letís relax knowing our owners are minted, not Lerner minted , but actually minted.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: paul_e on September 08, 2020, 11:49:09 PM
I thik the video linked earlier is very misleading. It shows him scoring a lot of 'fox in the box' style goals, and that will be welcome, but if you look at how he was playing before last season where he was a winger more often you get a much better understanding of his overall game:

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 08, 2020, 11:52:34 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.

And not giving a shit about the finances nearly bankrupt the club. Get serious - this is a business, not a hobby

Absolutely itís a business, so at the top table letís pay over the odds if needs be as if that player keeps us up / gets us a place higher in the PL it pays for itself and then some.

Relax.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 08, 2020, 11:57:18 PM
Watkins is both footed and comfortable shooting and scoring either and his head.
Plays all across the front 3 so great option. Hope he's used as striker but is flexibility allows him to play as wing forward too and has attacking creativity
Deano knows him well and only improve him
Lovely acquisition with best years ahead of him.

I'm pleased he's coming in and I hope can be a great attacking asset.
15+ goals this season please!!
 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2020, 12:15:14 AM
Don't think anyone knows how he will turn out. You cant judge a players chances of success at the prem by  the championship anymore than you can judge a player from the Belgium 1st division and i heard the same arguments last summer. All we know is Smith has bet the farm on him, and in 12 months time, he'll either be gone or people will be aiming plaudits at him for buying a player no-one else would gamble on.


place your bets now....

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 12:24:43 AM
Don't think anyone knows how he will turn out. You cant judge a players chances of success at the prem by  the championship anymore than you can judge a player from the Belgium 1st division and i heard the same arguments last summer. All we know is Smith has bet the farm on him, and in 12 months time, he'll either be gone or people will be aiming plaudits at him for buying a player no-one else would gamble on.

place your bets now....

This is true of almost any signing, I've seen us sign players with experience (at the level we're playing) for big money who flop a lot more often than youngsters with big reputations.

I think character and attitude, and how they match the rest of the squad, are far more important than experience because they have a bigger effect on how players settle into the club. Both signings so far fit with the squad as it was at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2020, 12:32:38 AM
Don't think anyone knows how he will turn out. You cant judge a players chances of success at the prem by  the championship anymore than you can judge a player from the Belgium 1st division and i heard the same arguments last summer. All we know is Smith has bet the farm on him, and in 12 months time, he'll either be gone or people will be aiming plaudits at him for buying a player no-one else would gamble on.

place your bets now....

This is true of almost any signing, I've seen us sign players with experience (at the level we're playing) for big money who flop a lot more often than youngsters with big reputations.

I think character and attitude, and how they match the rest of the squad, are far more important than experience because they have a bigger effect on how players settle into the club. Both signings so far fit with the squad as it was at the end of the season.

yeah don't disagree. this summer at least,  i believe Smith really wanted watkins which is probably more than you can say for the last two striker we've bought.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 12:38:05 AM
Didn't we have this exact argument last year?  I thought at the end of the season just gone there was consensus that we erred too far towards potential + inexperience and badly needed a few experienced heads.  So far we've spent what £43M+ on two lads with no PL experience whatsoever.  Okay, you lose money on older players with no resale value but that's not why you're buying them.  You're buying them because the team - particularly the inexperienced lads - needs them.  In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 09, 2020, 12:39:26 AM
What I do like about Watkins coming in is he offers more flexibility across the forward line, he can drift wide from central positions and so would King if we signed him so we might actually have one of those mythical flexible front 3 formations all the clubs who actually win stuff and play in europe do.

I imagine he'll start the season against Sheffield as central striker but if he dosen't hit the ground running then we can move him out wide and given him more time to adapt to premier league without him having the pressure to score.

It's a must we bring in another striker given the three we started with last year alll missed significant chunks of last season injured. Would be good to have a decent attacking option off the bench aswell.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2020, 12:54:36 AM
Deano knows what he's doing he's looked at things and got his appropriate striker.
Last season we needed a centre forward to score from all those chances  Grealish created -2nd most in league after KDB.

Ollie Watkins scored  26 goals last season.
Expected goals XG  :25 goals
Watkins outperformed his XG.

Last season Watkins displayed outstanding finishing ability. Scoring every chance expected of him +1! 
In the centre forward role he's shown to take his chances.

So basically if we create chances OW will be expected to score- literally!

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 09, 2020, 01:18:35 AM
He missed a total sitter v Barnsley on final day. Inch perfect cross came into the box, no one was marking him and he did a complete air kick. I should know as I had 200 quid riding on it!

Was 1-1 at the time so if he'd scored there Brentford would've made the premier league. Struggled to make an impact in play off final aswell.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 01:59:13 AM
A player that had he signed him MOíN would have referred to as Oliver.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: robbo1874 on September 09, 2020, 02:23:58 AM
I thik the video linked earlier is very misleading. It shows him scoring a lot of 'fox in the box' style goals, and that will be welcome, but if you look at how he was playing before last season where he was a winger more often you get a much better understanding of his overall game:


very impressive montage. Didnít even know who he was before the transfer chat started. I donít wish to jinx the lad, but thereís a few similarities with Collymore and Savo in that little lot! I like how a lot of them are smashed into the roof of the net and the Ďtap insí are taken very cleanly and instinctively. I can see why people are calling for more pace out wide.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: robbo1874 on September 09, 2020, 03:12:29 AM
Imagine if we hadnít sold Traore...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: mr underhill on September 09, 2020, 06:47:10 AM
i wish someone had taken Brian Green's advice three or four years ago and bought him then.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Villafirst on September 09, 2020, 06:50:42 AM
Spurs Forums are angry at missing out on Ollie. Saddled with a massive £1bn debt to pay for their new stadium means a small transfer budget. I think Ollie will be worth £50m+ in a couple of years...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: frank black on September 09, 2020, 06:52:59 AM
i wish someone had taken Brian Green's advice three or four years ago and bought him then.

We were linked with him before he went to Brentford (I think).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 06:56:12 AM
Didn't we have this exact argument last year?  I thought at the end of the season just gone there was consensus that we erred too far towards potential + inexperience and badly needed a few experienced heads.  So far we've spent what £43M+ on two lads with no PL experience whatsoever.  Okay, you lose money on older players with no resale value but that's not why you're buying them.  You're buying them because the team - particularly the inexperienced lads - needs them.  In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window.

We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ldavfc4eva on September 09, 2020, 07:25:59 AM
Good video montage of last season, what I noticed though was Benrahma made only 1 or 2 of Ollies goals.

I thought they were a bit of a package, as in Benrahma sets them up and Ollie finishes them.

Not the case at all based on last season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 07:29:12 AM
Deano knows what he's doing he's looked at things and got his appropriate striker.
Last season we needed a centre forward to score from all those chances  Grealish created -2nd most in league after KDB.

Ollie Watkins scored  26 goals last season.
Expected goals XG  :25 goals
Watkins outperformed his XG.

Last season Watkins displayed outstanding finishing ability. Scoring every chance expected of him +1! 
In the centre forward role he's shown to take his chances.

So basically if we create chances OW will be expected to score- literally!


Are you sure about that XG stat footy?  I heard the Villa analytics guy off twitter on a podcast a while back and he said Watkins xg last year was 36, so he underperformed.  He spun it as a good thing as it showed ho much more potential to improve he has
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ozzjim on September 09, 2020, 07:33:23 AM
https://www.infogol.net/en/player/ollie-watkins/16309

Appears Vill I An is right Chris.

I do like that at the bottom of that stat is the form of Brentfords next opponent.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 07:41:10 AM
Ok thanks.  Iíll try to find out which episode it was as the guy was very positive about Watkins and talked about him in detail, so it may be of interest to some.  It was on the ĎFor the Love of Paul McGrathí podcast
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 07:44:53 AM
This is the pod, sorry for the long link Iím on my phone.  Itís episode 75 of the love of Paul McGrath poor dcast

https://fortheloveofpaulmcgrath.podbean.com/e/%F0%9F%8Evillaanalytics-is-back-to-chat-about-what-advanced-analytics-are-how-ollie-watkins-looks-through-that-lens%99%F0%9F%8E/
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ozzjim on September 09, 2020, 07:46:08 AM
There appears to be a positive write up about him in the Times today but behind the paywall.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 09, 2020, 08:07:28 AM
The Brentford fans seem to say he works extremely hard, is good in the air and with both feet and has pace.

All sounds very promising.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: algy on September 09, 2020, 08:29:55 AM
Don't think anyone knows how he will turn out. You cant judge a players chances of success at the prem by  the championship anymore than you can judge a player from the Belgium 1st division and i heard the same arguments last summer. All we know is Smith has bet the farm on him, and in 12 months time, he'll either be gone or people will be aiming plaudits at him for buying a player no-one else would gamble on.


place your bets now....
Smith has worked with him in the past at Brentford, and also been fairly knowledgeable about his career before that having presumably had some influence / prior knowledge to Brentford signing him. Any transfer's a gamble, but in the grand scheme of things it's a pretty safe one. He'll know exactly what he can offer, and what his attitude's like. Even if we have overpaid for him, it's worthwhile because it's still cheaper than buying 2x £15m players from abroad and hoping that one hits the ground running (or a £10m and £20m player in Wes & Samatta's case).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Nii Lamptey on September 09, 2020, 08:34:38 AM
If he scores us 15-20 goals this season, he'll be priceless.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 09, 2020, 08:55:53 AM
I wonder what odds you can get on him scoring 25 goals plus next season??

Half our problem last season was pure wastefulness of chances. See El Ghazi vs Everton, Samatta in his debut, Davis vs Arsenal etc... I reckon if we put our mind to it, we could name at least 20 very good squandered chances last season. If we scored at least half of those, I doubt we would have been in the position we were in the end - El Ghazi vs Everton being a great example. If that goes in, itís 3 more points and we go into the last day safely.

We were creating chances, we just werenít clinical.

With Watkins being another Abraham type goal scorer, I genuinely have hope that we might have found that particular missing piece of the puzzle. What Iím saying is that with a more clinical finisher, we would have been pushing more towards mid table.

Our next piece of the puzzle is Defence. It improved post lockdown quite considerably - do I have confidence that this is solved yet? No. But I think itís a work in progress and the experience Last seasons of both Mings and Konsa will have helped greatly. We concede less of those last minute goals, our league position will be much better. How many points did we lose in the last 10 minutes last season?? Far too many...

The final piece for me will be the wingers. I donít believe El Ghazi is good enough, although I really wish he was. Even in the Championship, he blew hot and cold. He was exceptional against the Baggies but bang average in many other games.
Trezeguet has a cunning knack of being in the right place at the right time, so I believe heís worth a punt next season. Iím convinced there is a player in there and that heíll be much better this season. In reality, Iíd take one more winger on balance to help provide the chances for Watkins.

On balance though, I believe Watkins will prove your be a very astute and positive signing for us. We continue setting up those chances next season, and have learnt the lessons from last season too, we will do better this year. Itís a lot of money for an unproven striker in the Premier League, but until last season, Abraham hadnít done much either.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: simboy on September 09, 2020, 09:03:31 AM
Looks a good buy to me. Can play out wide or through the centre, from what Iíve seen works hard closing down (which was a big criticism of Wesley and Samatta), is acclimatised to English football and has scored goals throughout his career. Heís 24 so young enough to to improve.



£28 million rising to £33 million if heís a success? Heres to paying £33 million.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
I'm not sure there's that much pressure with the price tag. It's just what happens these days. When you look at the money the really top players go for in comparison he's cheap.

I like that he'll be able to play on his own or to the side of someone else. Think of Davis' hold up play and someone like Watkins with pace connecting with him. Could be brilliant.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2020, 09:08:26 AM
https://www.infogol.net/en/player/ollie-watkins/16309

Appears Vill I An is right Chris.

I do like that at the bottom of that stat is the form of Brentfords next opponent.
Only made 50% of his expected assists - get rid now!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
I just wonder if he's got the all round game to be a success in the Premier League.  I've not seen lots of him play, but from the video of all his goals last season, 90% of them seem to be tap ins from good work from the rest of the Brentford team, against some dodgy Championship defending.  We've had our fingers burnt buying a Brentford player who just scored tap ins in the past, so is this going to be different?  Please tell me it is!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 09:17:04 AM
It is.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 09:18:58 AM
It is. I've seen him in the flesh a couple of times and he's quality. Plus I'm always wrong so nothing to worry about!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2020, 09:35:18 AM
Deano knows what he's doing he's looked at things and got his appropriate striker.
Last season we needed a centre forward to score from all those chances  Grealish created -2nd most in league after KDB.

Ollie Watkins scored  26 goals last season.
Expected goals XG  :25 goals
Watkins outperformed his XG.

Last season Watkins displayed outstanding finishing ability. Scoring every chance expected of him +1! 
In the centre forward role he's shown to take his chances.

So basically if we create chances OW will be expected to score- literally!


Are you sure about that XG stat footy?  I heard the Villa analytics guy off twitter on a podcast a while back and he said Watkins xg last year was 36, so he underperformed.  He spun it as a good thing as it showed ho much more potential to improve he has

36 XG is high ! Maybe they combined the Watkins and Brentford XG together as a measurement?

Thanks for putting up podcast , new one one me, haven't had chance to listen but hope to check it out sometime.

Up the Villa.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 09, 2020, 09:35:47 AM
The Brentford fans seem to say he works extremely hard, is good in the air and with both feet and has pace.

All sounds very promising.

They also say he went missing when the pressure was on.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 09:37:37 AM
Deano knows what he's doing he's looked at things and got his appropriate striker.
Last season we needed a centre forward to score from all those chances  Grealish created -2nd most in league after KDB.

Ollie Watkins scored  26 goals last season.
Expected goals XG  :25 goals
Watkins outperformed his XG.

Last season Watkins displayed outstanding finishing ability. Scoring every chance expected of him +1! 
In the centre forward role he's shown to take his chances.

So basically if we create chances OW will be expected to score- literally!


Are you sure about that XG stat footy?  I heard the Villa analytics guy off twitter on a podcast a while back and he said Watkins xg last year was 36, so he underperformed.  He spun it as a good thing as it showed ho much more potential to improve he has

36 XG is high ! Maybe they combined the Watkins and Brentford XG together as a measurement?

Thanks for putting up podcast , new one one me, haven't had chance to listen but hope to check it out sometime.

Up the Villa.

He does say different agencies count the chances differently on XG and 36 was one of the higher ones.  Either way, he was really positive about him, as am I.  Villa Analytics is well worth following on Twitter - he'd be right up your street footy.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: dave shelley on September 09, 2020, 09:45:49 AM
Has he been spotted at the Belfry yet?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2020, 09:54:12 AM
I just wonder if he's got the all round game to be a success in the Premier League.  I've not seen lots of him play, but from the video of all his goals last season, 90% of them seem to be tap ins from good work from the rest of the Brentford team, against some dodgy Championship defending.  We've had our fingers burnt buying a Brentford player who just scored tap ins in the past, so is this going to be different?  Please tell me it is!

Yes I think he can be more success than Hogan.
What's super is he's both footed can strike goals with either foot.

Do also check out his goalscoring exploits for Exeter too
1 min 28 the goal v Plymouth 2016 very special and my favourite! Some other very good ones

https://youtu.be/gvRRHpc31jg

His goals are very varied and with both feet .
Not all high XG as he scored a few from distance.
Yes hiis amount of goals were scored last season on a plate though he has shown he finishes chances and underlying stats are good as a central striker.


Plays all the front 3 positions and hoping Dean can progress him further.
He's better than Hogan I think.

I hope you enjoy the Exeter goals.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sid1964 on September 09, 2020, 09:55:10 AM
Best of luck Ollie just score lots - if we can create chances for you?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 09:56:17 AM
His work rate alone is ten times better than hogans
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: mallo on September 09, 2020, 09:56:39 AM
I watched his goals video and thought 'Hogan 2.0' - adds nothing except decent positioning in the box. Then I watched another video where his all round play was highlighted and he was scoring in and outside the box, with both feet and his head. He was also very quick and carried the ball very well on long runs, so I think he's got a lot more than Hogan and indeed Maupay. He seems to have the confidence to hit a ball early as well, which is great - it'll just be about how he deals with the pressure. On the whole I'm pleased, think he will come good and will certainly press teams back in the way that Gabby used to. I'm not overly worried about the price - he will probably be here 3 years at least. Good luck!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2020, 10:17:30 AM
Talking about Championship strikers making the step-up to the Premiership yesterday, I realised i didn't actually know apart from assumptions so i thought i'd have a look. This is 4 seasons worth (obviously doesn't include last season), and is not meant to prove a point either way in relation to Watkins, just found it interesting

Championship forwards who scored over 20 goals in a season  16

Not played in the Premiership - 3

Of the rest.


Number who have scored 15 or over in the Premiership since - 1 or 7.7%

Number who scored 10 or over in premiership since -  5 or 38.4%


No prizes for guessing who the 1 is
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 10:34:08 AM
Gregg Evans reporting that his medical is complete.

https://twitter.com/greggevans40/status/1303625397570019332?s=20
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 10:46:56 AM
Athletic also reporting Spurs were in for him apparantly:

The Athletic: Tottenham were Villaís main rivals for Watkins. He was open to the move and confident he would have enjoyed plenty of game time across numerous competitions. However, Spurs were not in a position to move quickly because of the finances involved.

https://twitter.com/thespursweb/status/1303628388075266053?s=20

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 10:48:59 AM
Hence why Spurs fans are pissed off that they can't do a deal like this.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 10:49:05 AM
Going back to the whole price debate I love how no one takes notice of some other high profile costly signings that so far have been dare I say it all f and no s.  Arsenal paid £72m for Pepe for the grand total of five goals.  He might come good.  But at over double what we are paying for Watkins you'd think that would be a must!  Everton as well - that Keane bloke - 30m EUR including add ons.  Missed an open goal didn't he last year. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2020, 10:50:35 AM
Gregg Evans reporting that his medical is complete.

https://twitter.com/greggevans40/status/1303625397570019332?s=20

Nice one Chris!
Always find Evans has a bit of ITK about him .
More reliable than most.
I've deemed that him and Percy are the go to on any Villa deals. DT Percy I learnt from H & V to be reliable.
Pat Murphy BBC use to have good offerings too.
And Regan on WM has some knowledge I think ? But the
rest of them like Matt Law and Alan Nixon are a mixed bunch when it comes to any villa info and are as hit as they are miss.

Outside of purely Villa related Fabrizio Romano is on the money with his ITK for many transfers !

Don't know if anyone else has any recommendations but haven't seen many other sources as good as Gregg Evans and Jon Percy for ITKs

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: The Edge on September 09, 2020, 10:57:52 AM
So medical passed then. I'm excited by this one. Best wishes Ollie. Stan would be very proud.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 10:59:19 AM
We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Yes we did.  What's your point?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 11:01:59 AM
I loved this bit.

Villaís local rivals West Brom were too, however their proposal of a loan with an option to buy was considered a non-starter.

Typical Smethwick cheap skates.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 11:07:03 AM
Sounds like West Brom blew their budget on Diagana and are now reliant on loans.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 11:15:42 AM
We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Yes we did.  What's your point?

That you're sooo negative about the Villa (winky)

Anyway, apparently it's 20 years to the day that Luc Nilis' career was ended at Ipswich. Might be an idea to show Ollie his goal against Chelsea and tell him to mix-up a few tap-ins with swivel-worldies like that one.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PGW on September 09, 2020, 11:27:14 AM
Sounds like West Brom blew their budget on Diagana and are now reliant on loans.
Aren't we supposedly interested in taking Gallagher on loan from Chelsea
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 11:27:53 AM
We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Yes we did.  What's your point?


That you were wrong then and just as likely to be wrong now.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sid1964 on September 09, 2020, 11:30:43 AM
If Watkins signs a 5 year deal - I will be nearly 61 when that finishes!!!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 11:30:57 AM
Sounds like West Brom blew their budget on Diagana and are now reliant on loans.
Aren't we supposedly interested in taking Gallagher on loan from Chelsea

Only if the middle 'g' is silent.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: lovejoy on September 09, 2020, 11:33:33 AM
It's official.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: jwarry on September 09, 2020, 11:35:25 AM
It's official.

More pleased about this than if we got Wilson
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Dave P on September 09, 2020, 11:38:29 AM
Great news. Obviously was our main target all summer so glad we've got him in.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 11:38:31 AM
It's official.

More pleased about this than if we got Wilson

I just read that as "More pleased about this than when we got Whelan"!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 11:39:41 AM
5 year deal. Nice.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: jwarry on September 09, 2020, 11:39:58 AM
It's official.

More pleased about this than if we got Wilson

I just read that as "More pleased about this than when we got Whelan"!

That as well
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Dave P on September 09, 2020, 11:40:26 AM
Stick him in against Burton next week to get his fitness up and to tear them a new arsehole.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: UK Redsox on September 09, 2020, 11:43:37 AM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 11:44:03 AM
We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Yes we did.  What's your point?

That you were wrong then and just as likely to be wrong now.
Jesus wept.  Grow up.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 11:47:59 AM
Delighted with this one.  Welcome Ollie, please be great.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 11:49:35 AM
We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Yes we did.  What's your point?

That you were wrong then and just as likely to be wrong now.
Jesus wept.  Grow up.


Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 09, 2020, 11:50:07 AM
Good news.  Welcome Ollie, please be 10 times better than the last striker we got from Brentford.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 11:51:04 AM
Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Yes, and as quickly as possible please.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: DB on September 09, 2020, 11:51:08 AM
Good news.  Welcome Ollie, please be 10 times better than the last striker we got from Brentford.

Or any of our current strikers.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Gary Penrice on September 09, 2020, 11:51:41 AM
Welcome to the Villa Ollie.....happy with this signing! Now on to the next one!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 11:53:43 AM
Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Yes, and as quickly as possible please.

If growing up entails having to constantly moan about just about everything I'll give it a miss.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 09, 2020, 11:54:47 AM
Good news.  Welcome Ollie, please be 10 times better than the last striker we got from Brentford.

Or any of our current strikers.

Quite. If heís 10 times better than Hogan he will be. Iím hoping heís the best striker weíve ever signed but 10 times better than Hogan should at least make him decent.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 09, 2020, 11:55:00 AM
Welcome Ollie - be great.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 09, 2020, 11:55:14 AM
he scored as many goals as Norwich last season .
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 11:58:58 AM
Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Yes, and as quickly as possible please.

If growing up entails having to constantly moan about just about everything I'll give it a miss.
Alright, tell me what is so incorrect, intolerable or outrageous about what I said here that's prompted this outburst.

"Didn't we have this exact argument last year?  I thought at the end of the season just gone there was consensus that we erred too far towards potential + inexperience and badly needed a few experienced heads.  So far we've spent what £43M+ on two lads with no PL experience whatsoever.  Okay, you lose money on older players with no resale value but that's not why you're buying them.  You're buying them because the team - particularly the inexperienced lads - needs them.  In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."

What's so infuriating about that that's made you lose your shit this morning?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Clampy on September 09, 2020, 12:00:07 PM
Welcome to VP Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 12:01:53 PM
Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Yes, and as quickly as possible please.

If growing up entails having to constantly moan about just about everything I'll give it a miss.
Alright, tell me what is so incorrect, intolerable or outrageous about what I said here that's prompted this outburst.

"Didn't we have this exact argument last year?  I thought at the end of the season just gone there was consensus that we erred too far towards potential + inexperience and badly needed a few experienced heads.  So far we've spent what £43M+ on two lads with no PL experience whatsoever.  Okay, you lose money on older players with no resale value but that's not why you're buying them.  You're buying them because the team - particularly the inexperienced lads - needs them.  In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."

What's so infuriating about that that's made you lose your shit this morning?

I have complete security in the knowledge of the location of my shit.

Let's just leave it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villa Lew on September 09, 2020, 12:04:48 PM
Welcome Ollie
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Diablo on September 09, 2020, 12:06:40 PM
Wonderful news! I have a good feeling about this. UTV!!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 12:07:03 PM
I have complete security in the knowledge of the location of my shit.
I think everyone who reads this forum can see where your shit is.

But, yes let's leave it.  Don't reply to my stuff and I won't reply to yours.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 09, 2020, 12:11:21 PM
Welcome, Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 12:11:45 PM
Welcome Ollie. Your signing has crashed the Villa website so you're already having an impact!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 12:13:21 PM
I thought we'd break our transfer record this summer and so we have, which is great.  I hope we maybe do it once more before the window closes.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 09, 2020, 12:15:02 PM
Welcome Ollie. Your signing has crashed the Villa website so you're already having an impact!
Wait until we sell Hogan. It will go into meltdown.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: olaftab on September 09, 2020, 12:15:28 PM
We have the big yellow ticker display on SSN breaking news. Great.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 12:17:24 PM
We also have him massive-clubbing it on the website.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 12:17:56 PM
In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."

I think if that's your expectation for the club then you're going to be regularly disappointed under the current owners.

Everything they've said and done in the last couple of years screams out that they don't want to be buying players older than about 27-28 and 22-25 is more realistic. They spoken about being sustainable as a business, we've had scouts talking about identifying when a performance boost from a player looks likely, we've signed a DoF from a club that has specialised in signing players on the way up to flip for a profit. On top of that we're throwing resources at the academy and talking about how to create a pipeline from there into the first team and identifying players capable of that step up earlier in their development through loans, etc.

I'd put money on the plan being that the first team squad grow together for a year or 2 and then they become the experienced pros that all our new signings can learn from. Smith talked about the importance of attitude when it comes to signings and that leans into the same concept, we want players who turn up willing to learn and adapt. If we sign older players it will be because they have an attitude that we want our young players to learn from, Heaton is a great example.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 12:20:07 PM
I have complete security in the knowledge of the location of my shit.
I think everyone who reads this forum can see where your shit is.

But, yes let's leave it.  Don't reply to my stuff and I won't reply to yours.

I reckon you could have a thread of your own soon.  ;)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dave P on September 09, 2020, 12:21:29 PM
Welcome Ollie. Your signing has crashed the Villa website so you're already having an impact!
Wait until we sell Hogan. It will go into meltdown.

Nah, we wont be online as we'll be having street parties.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 12:23:02 PM
In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."
If we sign older players it will be because they have an attitude that we want our young players to learn from, Heaton is a great example.
That's exactly the point I'm making.  In pretty much every end-of-season review I read over the summer, as well as on here, our lack of experience was mentioned as a reason we struggled.  All I'm saying is that I wouldn't want us to make the same mistake this year. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 09, 2020, 12:25:26 PM
Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Yes, and as quickly as possible please.

If growing up entails having to constantly moan about just about everything I'll give it a miss.
Alright, tell me what is so incorrect, intolerable or outrageous about what I said here that's prompted this outburst.

"Didn't we have this exact argument last year?  I thought at the end of the season just gone there was consensus that we erred too far towards potential + inexperience and badly needed a few experienced heads.  So far we've spent what £43M+ on two lads with no PL experience whatsoever.  Okay, you lose money on older players with no resale value but that's not why you're buying them.  You're buying them because the team - particularly the inexperienced lads - needs them.  In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."

What's so infuriating about that that's made you lose your shit this morning?

I'm not taking sides on this, but the 'fact' you mention is a supposition.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on September 09, 2020, 12:28:05 PM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
That's just such an ace fact. I've grown up since moving to Devon in 83 with this being my main source of football.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: danno on September 09, 2020, 12:28:28 PM
Can we all just disagree without becoming Julian Clary in a tizzy?

I can't remember who it was Clampy was having handbags with last year but it was as boring to read as anything I've ever posted. And I am one dull bstrd.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: FatSam on September 09, 2020, 12:36:26 PM
I'm pleased with this signing, but Brentford certainly know how to do business - Watkins has just paid for two sides of their new ground!

I can remember him being touted as a hot prospect when he was with Exeter, so in future it would be good to be in a position (i.e. more established in the EPL) to pick-up similar players one step earlier and take the risk on their potential being fulfilled.

Anyway, score 15 goals this season and he will have justified the fee straight away. Welcome Ollie, and good luck!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 12:44:36 PM
I can remember him being touted as a hot prospect when he was with Exeter, so in future it would be good to be in a position (i.e. more established in the EPL) to pick-up similar players one step earlier and take the risk on their potential being fulfilled.

Yes, it would be good to be in a position where we could hoover up some of the best young players and send them out on loan straight away for first team experience.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 12:45:53 PM
In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."
If we sign older players it will be because they have an attitude that we want our young players to learn from, Heaton is a great example.
That's exactly the point I'm making.  In pretty much every end-of-season review I read over the summer, as well as on here, our lack of experience was mentioned as a reason we struggled.  All I'm saying is that I wouldn't want us to make the same mistake this year. 

Very different circumstances though. Last year the squad had about 100 premier league appearances between them other than Heaton. One season on and there's a much better understanding of the demands of the league within the squad. I don't have a problem with us signing a more experienced player or 2 but fitting in with the squad and adding to the team spirit we have is far more important.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 12:49:27 PM
I can remember him being touted as a hot prospect when he was with Exeter, so in future it would be good to be in a position (i.e. more established in the EPL) to pick-up similar players one step earlier and take the risk on their potential being fulfilled.

Yes, it would be good to be in a position where we could hoover up some of the best young players and send them out on loan straight away for first team experience.

I think the signings of Chrisene and Barry indicate that's the sort of plan we're heading for... though I think doing a bit of development in house first to get them understanding the style of the club is a good idea...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 12:49:40 PM
Welcome Ollie, excited to see what you can do, so please don't be rubbish.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villafirst on September 09, 2020, 12:50:36 PM
Welcome Ollie!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 12:53:56 PM
I can remember him being touted as a hot prospect when he was with Exeter, so in future it would be good to be in a position (i.e. more established in the EPL) to pick-up similar players one step earlier and take the risk on their potential being fulfilled.

Yes, it would be good to be in a position where we could hoover up some of the best young players and send them out on loan straight away for first team experience.

I think the signings of Chrisene and Barry indicate that's the sort of plan we're heading for... though I think doing a bit of development in house first to get them understanding the style of the club is a good idea...

I suspect 12-18months with the academy/U23s and then we'll make a decision on whether to blood them with us or send them out for 6-12months.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 01:02:15 PM
A classic H&V welcome to new signings : "Please don't be shit." But please don't be average either. Be good. Be cool.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 01:04:07 PM
Jut once can we have a signing come in and hit the ground running?  No moaning, no saying that he needs a full pre-season and 6 months to bed in, just some decent performances and a goal or two would be lovely.  Cheers in advance Ollie!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 01:06:23 PM
When was the last time we had an Oliver in the team?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on September 09, 2020, 01:08:08 PM
I can remember him being touted as a hot prospect when he was with Exeter, so in future it would be good to be in a position (i.e. more established in the EPL) to pick-up similar players one step earlier and take the risk on their potential being fulfilled.

Yes, it would be good to be in a position where we could hoover up some of the best young players and send them out on loan straight away for first team experience.

I think the signings of Chrisene and Barry indicate that's the sort of plan we're heading for... though I think doing a bit of development in house first to get them understanding the style of the club is a good idea...
So when Chrisene sells for £100M we can retire his shirt.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 09, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Welcome Olllie, I have a feeling you're going to be a star for us!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on September 09, 2020, 01:15:33 PM
Do we know how much Exeter City gets from this deal? I would hope it's a fair chunk of money.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2020, 01:16:19 PM
Best of british luck ollie. In 5 years time may we find you with 100+ goals, sleeping in a pile of 50 pound notes  and with a ridiculous WAG in tow, rather than in the priory between dogging adventures and fights with weathergirls
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 09, 2020, 01:21:11 PM
Do we know how much Exeter City gets from this deal? I would hope it's a fair chunk of money.
Did I read somewhere itís something like £6 million?
I might be way off though.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on September 09, 2020, 01:23:56 PM
Do we know how much Exeter City gets from this deal? I would hope it's a fair chunk of money.
Did I read somewhere itís something like £6 million?
I might be way off though.
That's promising if true. I've tried to look and see but can't see anything reported yet.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Stu on September 09, 2020, 01:24:17 PM
Best of british luck ollie. In 5 years time may we find you with 100+ goals, sleeping in a pile of 50 pound notes  and with a ridiculous WAG in tow, rather than in the priory between dogging adventures and fights with weathergirls

This is weird.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: UK Redsox on September 09, 2020, 01:26:01 PM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
That's just such an ace fact. I've grown up since moving to Devon in 83 with this being my main source of football.

With an ex-Chippenham Town player in Mings, it's pretty good for South West (ish) representation
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: UK Redsox on September 09, 2020, 01:29:32 PM
Do we know how much Exeter City gets from this deal? I would hope it's a fair chunk of money.
Did I read somewhere itís something like £6 million?
I might be way off though.
That's promising if true. I've tried to look and see but can't see anything reported yet.

Per 'Devon Live' ......"The Grecians received a fee of around £1.8m when they sold Watkins three years ago and negotiated a 15 per cent sell-on clause when selling him to Brentford."
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on September 09, 2020, 01:37:42 PM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
That's just such an ace fact. I've grown up since moving to Devon in 83 with this being my main source of football.

With an ex-Chippenham Town player in Mings, it's pretty good for South West (ish) representation
Get on, I never knew that. I have great memories watching Dawlish Town play in the 80's in the Western League, playing the likes of Chippenham and Western-Super-Mare.  I managed to skipper the seconds for a while and the odd sub appearance for the first team in the 90's. They have folded now, such a great shame.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: kipeye on September 09, 2020, 01:39:12 PM
Crazy money. He will get my 100% support but I sure hope this ends better than our recent history of buying overly expensive strikers from the Championship - Hogan, McCormack, Gestede, Kodija ......

Bit harsh on Kod he did perfectly well for us.
How many of the above bought by Smith. Wes and sammatta yes, but none of these.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: kipeye on September 09, 2020, 01:40:41 PM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
Practically Brum-On-Sea. So, a homegrown player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ozzjim on September 09, 2020, 01:42:46 PM
How many goals do we think represents a decent season, and how many do we think he will score.

I am going for 12 to be a good season (1 in 3) and he will get 14.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2020, 01:52:49 PM
Do we know how much Exeter City gets from this deal? I would hope it's a fair chunk of money.
Did I read somewhere itís something like £6 million?
I might be way off though.
I read that Exeter would get 15% of the fee; so, just over £4m.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: usav on September 09, 2020, 01:58:34 PM
Reading other fans reactions on Reddit and other places, pretty much everyone seems to think it is very good business and rates him very highly.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 09, 2020, 02:00:22 PM
Really pleased with this signing, think Ollie will do really well. Feel a lot calmer about where weíre going this season now, another forward/winger, central midfielder and keeper and job done
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on September 09, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
Can we all be friends and agree that the club video on Twitter announcing his arrival was more than a bit raunchy?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rob_bridge on September 09, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
Welcome Young Man - be a legend like Peter the Great, Little, Shaw and Yorke if you will.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 02:54:54 PM
Iím delighted weíve signed him and delighted that we have helped secure Exeterís future for a few years.  The lower league clubs would be a lot mkre financially secure if clubs werenít obsessed with buying up all the best overseas prospects.  Thereís plenty of affordable talent that have started out at the lower levels.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 09, 2020, 02:59:41 PM
Got my first comment on the BBC transfer feed - some dickhead Everton fan was holding forth about Watkins being the most overpriced signing ever.

Really?
Sigurdsson - 45m
Iwobi - 34m
Moise Kean - 25m
Tosun - 27m
Mina - 27m

How did they work out then?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 03:01:00 PM
Got my first comment on the BBC transfer feed - some dickhead Everton fan was holding forth about Watkins being the most overpriced signing ever.

Really?
Sigurdsson - 45m
Iwobi - 34m
Moise Kean - 25m
Tosun - 27m
Mina - 27m

How did they work out then?

That's without including what they paid Wayne Rooney!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 03:06:24 PM
Itís possible this deal took longer because of the sell on fee owed to Exeter. Brentford will have had a net valuation that they wanted met. If in the end we helped out a smaller club like Exeter and ultimately we got the player we wanted then it was worth the wait.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 03:11:14 PM

Iwobi - 34m

They mentioned this in the Guardian piece about Everton's prospects for 2020/21, describing the fee as "scarcely believable".  I looked up his stats and realised that "scarcely believable" is an understatement.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 09, 2020, 03:11:51 PM
Welcome Ollie, please be good.

I've been getting stick off glory hunting mates about spending all this money on someone they'd never heard of. Given he was Championship player of the year I think that says more about their ignorance than anything else. One of them is an Arsenal "fan" so I said less than half the price of Pepe but hopefully better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 09, 2020, 03:11:55 PM
How does one change their user name in honour of our most expensive striker who will undoubtedly be the best striker we've ever had?  The last user name change I made was for the signing of N'Zogbia.  Now that I'm over the shitness of the shit jacket waste of space I feel I should Watkins-ize my user name.  Anyway, I forgot how I did it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 03:13:37 PM
How does one change their user name in honour of our most expensive striker who will undoubtedly be the best striker we've ever had?  The last user name change I made was for the signing of N'Zogbia.  Now that I'm over the shitness of the shit jacket waste of space I feel I should Watkins-ize my user name.  Anyway, I forgot how I did it.

You have to request it from martin these days I believe.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 03:16:11 PM
How does one change their user name in honour of our most expensive striker who will undoubtedly be the best striker we've ever had?  The last user name change I made was for the signing of N'Zogbia.  Now that I'm over the shitness of the shit jacket waste of space I feel I should Watkins-ize my user name.  Anyway, I forgot how I did it.

Brennikins?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 09, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
How does one change their user name in honour of our most expensive striker who will undoubtedly be the best striker we've ever had?  The last user name change I made was for the signing of N'Zogbia.  Now that I'm over the shitness of the shit jacket waste of space I feel I should Watkins-ize my user name.  Anyway, I forgot how I did it.

Brennikins?

ha ha. 

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 09, 2020, 03:20:28 PM
Ďdollie ?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: enigma on September 09, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
Wonder how much he'll cost in the fantasy football. I'm struggling for decent strikers in that. I've got Keinan Davis FFS.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 03:31:34 PM
Wonder how much he'll cost in the fantasy football. I'm struggling for decent strikers in that. I've got Keinan Davis FFS.
Thinking the same, worth a punt if he's in the £5-6m bracket.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: mr underhill on September 09, 2020, 03:36:46 PM
the last thing the guy needs is a bunch of fan 'boys' appropriating variations on his name. It's tempting fate I tell you!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 09, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
How does one change their user name in honour of our most expensive striker who will undoubtedly be the best striker we've ever had?  The last user name change I made was for the signing of N'Zogbia.  Now that I'm over the shitness of the shit jacket waste of space I feel I should Watkins-ize my user name.  Anyway, I forgot how I did it.

Plenty to work with Oliver George Arthur Watkins. O'GAWD?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on September 09, 2020, 03:49:15 PM
Best of british luck ollie. In 5 years time may we find you with 100+ goals, sleeping in a pile of 50 pound notes  and with a ridiculous WAG in tow, rather than in the priory between dogging adventures and fights with weathergirls

Yes, don't get clinical depression because there are plenty who would blame you for it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 09, 2020, 03:58:13 PM
Can we all be friends and agree that the club video on Twitter announcing his arrival was more than a bit raunchy?

It came with a warning on Twitter!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rob_bridge on September 09, 2020, 03:58:37 PM
How many goals do we think represents a decent season, and how many do we think he will score.

I am going for 12 to be a good season (1 in 3) and he will get 14.

12 League goals would be a good return. Like Wesley was on for pre injury
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ozzjim on September 09, 2020, 04:05:15 PM
Can we all be friends and agree that the club video on Twitter announcing his arrival was more than a bit raunchy?

It came with a warning on Twitter!

Which one?!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 09, 2020, 04:05:48 PM
Can we all be friends and agree that the club video on Twitter announcing his arrival was more than a bit raunchy?

It came with a warning on Twitter!

Which one?!

The 'reveal' one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ozzjim on September 09, 2020, 04:06:16 PM
Oh and the "finally" hug with him and Dean, with Dean looking so happy was very nice. Heart warming. I really hope he bangs in 20 goals and looks a snip next season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on September 09, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
Can we all be friends and agree that the club video on Twitter announcing his arrival was more than a bit raunchy?

It came with a warning on Twitter!

Which one?!

The 'reveal' one.

'Reveal' is the  word, accompanied by some very smooth soft softcore pulsing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 04:12:32 PM
Yes was a bit suprised when Mr Nip said hello.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2020, 04:24:32 PM
How many goals do we think represents a decent season, and how many do we think he will score.

I am going for 12 to be a good season (1 in 3) and he will get 14.

12 League goals would be a good return. Like Wesley was on for pre injury

I never thought Wesley was going to score that many.
He was underperforming and should have had xg 7 or 8 goals.
Watkins is an altogether different prospect and put him up there with Abraham and Kodjia as best striker of recent times.
Hogan and McCormack were abject fails.  For me Watkins gets what double figures this season qs good as say Pukki or Abraham

That's just how I see it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: villabear on September 09, 2020, 04:32:51 PM
ďI cannot wait to wear the famous claret and blue in the Premier League. I want to do something special here and score some goals.Ē

Heíll do for me.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Nii Lamptey on September 09, 2020, 04:34:19 PM
I'm going with a sweet 16... plus a hatfull in the cups. Welcome Ollie! 🙌🏻 ;)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: danno on September 09, 2020, 04:42:01 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rory Christopher on September 09, 2020, 04:49:20 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on September 09, 2020, 04:53:37 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rory Christopher on September 09, 2020, 04:57:32 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on September 09, 2020, 04:59:36 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?

I think that said more about MON's mentality.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: danno on September 09, 2020, 05:04:09 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

No it doesn't matter, it just seemed odd that you can win a shirt with his name and number on but they hadn't said what he was going to have.

Any football romantics out there would probably want him to have the number 9.
Although given the track record of some players we've had wear that for us recently (Helenius Ireland ) perhaps they wouldn't!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 09, 2020, 05:27:28 PM
4, 5, 16, 18 & 19 all going spare!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rory Christopher on September 09, 2020, 05:29:18 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

No it doesn't matter, it just seemed odd that you can win a shirt with his name and number on but they hadn't said what he was going to have.


I hadn't thought about that!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 09, 2020, 05:30:58 PM
Maybe Marvelous will swap numbers so that he can have the 11 shirt!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 05:31:57 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?

So did that other legend, Stephen Ireland
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 05:35:20 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?

Shudder
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 05:35:52 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?

So did that other legend, Stephen Ireland

Double shudder
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ldavfc4eva on September 09, 2020, 05:38:26 PM
Not forgetting Helenius
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 09, 2020, 05:41:16 PM
Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?
and Steven Ireland was one season too....
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on September 09, 2020, 05:43:24 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ad@m on September 09, 2020, 06:05:52 PM
We really have had some absolute dross wearing the number 9 shirt haven't we.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: john e on September 09, 2020, 06:14:02 PM
in the interests of someone scrolling back through the thread in the years to come to see what we all thought of the signing

I'm feeling chuffed about it
and I don't give two hoots about what we paid
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 09, 2020, 06:14:28 PM
We really have had some absolute dross wearing the number 9 shirt haven't we.
not just 9...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: john e on September 09, 2020, 06:18:34 PM
We really have had some absolute dross wearing the number 9 shirt haven't we.
not just 9...


Pick a number...any number
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: CT on September 09, 2020, 06:24:39 PM
Welcome Ollie. Hopefully weíll get to see you play in the flesh at Villa Park sometime over the next five years.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 09, 2020, 06:27:49 PM
How long before we see Petrov interviewing him for AVTV? My money's on before the end of the month.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 07:22:50 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?

So did that other legend, Stephen Ireland

Scott Sinclair
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ger Regan on September 09, 2020, 07:44:05 PM
Exeter chairman on SSN confirming a 15% sell on clause in the deal that brought him to Brentford. Good news for them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 09, 2020, 08:39:42 PM
Welcome Ollie, to the best football club in the World.
Be brilliant!
We need a bloody good goalscorer to hero worship.
Hope it's you!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 09, 2020, 08:48:50 PM
Welcome Ollie, really looking forward to seeing you in Claret and Blue
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 09, 2020, 09:09:43 PM
How long before we see Petrov interviewing him for AVTV? My money's on before the end of the month.

Stan and Ollie? That would be another fine mess
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 09, 2020, 09:33:10 PM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
Practically Brum-On-Sea. So, a homegrown player.

Sea?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 09:35:43 PM
Wasn't it Exeter who we recently signed a kid from and they were highly complementary of how we conducted ourselves? 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on September 09, 2020, 09:49:03 PM
Wasn't it Exeter who we recently signed a kid from and they were highly complementary of how we conducted ourselves?
Yeah. Seems they've done well from us this summer. That young kid, then £4.2m for Watkins ...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: themossman on September 09, 2020, 09:50:41 PM
Well fwiw my mate who lives in Exeter says he saw him a lot as a youngster and rates him highly.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 10, 2020, 01:20:00 AM
How much would Exeter's annual budget be? Have we propped them up for another year while also paying for half of Brentford's new stadium? I hope they remember this altruism if we draw either of them in the cups.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: robbo1874 on September 10, 2020, 05:28:08 AM
4, 5, 16, 18 & 19 all going spare!
18 then- double good !!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: jwarry on September 10, 2020, 01:57:44 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 10, 2020, 01:58:56 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

Ray's brother?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 10, 2020, 02:03:19 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

Benteke?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 10, 2020, 02:07:31 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

Benteke?

How quick we forget! Ollie will have done very well indeed to get to the levels that Benteke hit. Letís hope he can.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 10, 2020, 02:11:56 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

That's very encouraging. If by the end of the season we are saying similar we will have someone special. Let's hope he will be coveted by ManU et al by the end of the season such is the way of things.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rigadon on September 10, 2020, 02:15:29 PM
Has he done the "delighted to be joining a massive club and I've always respected the gaffer and I want to show the fans what I'm capable of" interview yet?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ger Regan on September 10, 2020, 02:16:21 PM
The right attitude is key to success, and from the sounds of it, he's has got that.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: jwarry on September 10, 2020, 02:19:40 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

Benteke?

Oops!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 10, 2020, 02:19:51 PM
Has he done the "delighted to be joining a massive club and I've always respected the gaffer and I want to show the fans what I'm capable of" interview yet?

Yes, pretty much word for word!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: placeforparks on September 10, 2020, 02:50:27 PM
saw something great on twitter earlier. first class from our club and ollie.

(https://i.ibb.co/Qj2hbGJ/Annotation-2020-09-10-144716.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Smithy on September 10, 2020, 02:54:13 PM
Has he done the "delighted to be joining a massive club and I've always respected the gaffer and I want to show the fans what I'm capable of" interview yet?

Yes, pretty much word for word!

Has any player, for any club, ever given an interview on signing similar to the Mourinho arrival at Chelsea? As in "I'm special, I'll work hard, but you're lucky to have me"?

I'd love to see something like that!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: KevinGage on September 10, 2020, 03:00:28 PM
Richard Dunne went close - in a different way.

"Richard, why have you joined Aston Villa?"

Dunne: "Because Manchester City sold me."

Love at first bite.  He was motivated to prove them wrong in his first season, it seems.  After that, not so much.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: danno on September 10, 2020, 03:02:50 PM
Zlatan must have surely?  something like: I'm here. you're welcome.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 10, 2020, 05:07:48 PM
Has he done the "delighted to be joining a massive club and I've always respected the gaffer and I want to show the fans what I'm capable of" interview yet?

Yes, pretty much word for word!

Has any player, for any club, ever given an interview on signing similar to the Mourinho arrival at Chelsea? As in "I'm special, I'll work hard, but you're lucky to have me"?

I'd love to see something like that!


Sometimes a picture says so much more than words ever could:

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2026183.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/WEST-BROMWICH-ALBION-Nicolas-Anelka-signed-from-Juventus-on-a-free.jpg)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on September 10, 2020, 05:26:50 PM
saw something great on twitter earlier. first class from our club and ollie.

(https://i.ibb.co/Qj2hbGJ/Annotation-2020-09-10-144716.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
There's a bit of background to that here: https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2019/march/woodys-story/

But Ollie comes across as a good 'un. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 10, 2020, 05:35:15 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

Ray's brother?

I still find it hard to believe that Butch coached for us and that he is now dead.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SaddVillan on September 10, 2020, 06:06:22 PM
How much would Exeter's annual budget be? Have we propped them up for another year while also paying for half of Brentford's new stadium? I hope they remember this altruism if we draw either of them in the cups.


Exeter City FC posted a loss of more than £700,000 for the year ending June 30, 2019, the clubís annual accounts have revealed.

Turnover for the period was £4,079,870, down 2.5 per cent on the prior year, which the club have put down to the involvement that the Grecians had in the play-offs the previous season.

So £4.2m will be very welcome to them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 10, 2020, 06:22:08 PM
6m on Premier League Fantasy Football? I'm having some of that.

He has joined Aguero and Kane in my top class 3 man forward line with Grealish backing them up from midfield.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Louzie0 on September 10, 2020, 06:48:27 PM
What a great signing for the Villa and a lovely young man, by the films I have seen about his personal support for the Exeter fans.

Welcome Ollie!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: pelty on September 10, 2020, 06:49:20 PM
Has anyone worked up some version of ďOliverís ArmyĒ to sing from the stands? Seems like it could be a good one...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: four fornicholl on September 10, 2020, 07:12:02 PM
My teenage daughter is already in love! Sure it was something to do with the reveal.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 10, 2020, 09:53:03 PM
How much would Exeter's annual budget be? Have we propped them up for another year while also paying for half of Brentford's new stadium? I hope they remember this altruism if we draw either of them in the cups.


Exeter City FC posted a loss of more than £700,000 for the year ending June 30, 2019, the clubís annual accounts have revealed.

Turnover for the period was £4,079,870, down 2.5 per cent on the prior year, which the club have put down to the involvement that the Grecians had in the play-offs the previous season.

So £4.2m will be very welcome to them.

Cheers. Incredible then, exceeds a year of revenue.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 10, 2020, 10:09:53 PM
Has he done the "delighted to be joining a massive club and I've always respected the gaffer and I want to show the fans what I'm capable of" interview yet?

Yes, pretty much word for word!

Has any player, for any club, ever given an interview on signing similar to the Mourinho arrival at Chelsea? As in "I'm special, I'll work hard, but you're lucky to have me"?

I'd love to see something like that!


The current Albion manager (whose name currently escapes me) did something similar when he was appointed. I'm obviously paraphrasing, but I remember something along of "yes, I'm lucky to be coming to such a great club. In truth, they're also lucky to have me."
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 11, 2020, 07:40:08 AM
Has anyone worked up some version of ďOliverís ArmyĒ to sing from the stands? Seems like it could be a good one...

Oliver Watkins is here to stay
Oliver Watkins will score all day
And I would rather be nowhere else when Oliver Watkins plays.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2020, 07:51:40 AM
Has anyone worked up some version of ďOliverís ArmyĒ to sing from the stands? Seems like it could be a good one...

Oliver Watkins is here to stay
Oliver Watkins will score all day
And I would rather be nowhere else when Oliver Watkins plays.

Please God no, I canít stand that song.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 11, 2020, 08:00:06 AM
Has anyone worked up some version of ďOliverís ArmyĒ to sing from the stands? Seems like it could be a good one...

Brend Watkins is here to say
Brend Watkins will sing  all day
And I would rather be anywhere  else if Brend Watkins stays
;)
Wo oh oh oh o
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Laurence on September 11, 2020, 09:03:53 AM
Love the Woody story, welcome Ollie, love you already!   
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 11, 2020, 11:32:13 AM
When I saw ollies army reference I was thinking it was to do with 7 nations army track 'po po po songs which is a fave in the euro & world football community not so much chanted in UK?! Even in FA Cup. Brexit makes sense as dont seem to adopt same European chants!
Well pre covid 19!

Didn't see how oh ollie watkins could fit.
Oliver Watkins yes .

The white stripes 7 nation army song was adopted by Club brugges fans after hearing in bar and taking it to stadium v Milan in champions league.
Then really took off when they scored ! Blue army!

Roma also adopted it when they beat Brugges a few years later 2006 and became a thing in Italy.

Know as the po po po song in italy and
Italy won the World Cup defeating  7 nations coincidently!

Anyway that chant is epic .
Miss hearing it in football.

Oh Claret and Blue army !


Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 11, 2020, 11:35:39 AM
That must be a record even for here. Two lines that cover world football, European football, songs, the FA Cup, Brexit and Covid-19.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 11, 2020, 03:48:36 PM
Shirt Number 11 confirmed
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 11, 2020, 03:53:49 PM
Marvelous toking the 19 shirt.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on September 11, 2020, 03:59:00 PM
Marvelous toking the 19 shirt.

If he's toking on a shirt I can't imagine he'll be feeling marvelous.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 11, 2020, 04:00:33 PM
Told him to leave Marvelous alone! ;)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 11, 2020, 05:45:21 PM
Marvelous toking the 19 shirt.
He's a joker.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on September 11, 2020, 05:54:09 PM
Deleted.....cocked up my quotes on damn phone
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 15, 2020, 11:50:04 PM
V burton could have more than his solitary goal and great to see a proper striker for us .
He took his goal with ease but missed a very easy chance.
Think he'll be fine and hoping for the 15+ goals this season
Well played ollie
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on September 15, 2020, 11:57:08 PM
He has a habit of finding space and being exactly where you want to be when the ball comes into the box.

Traore has an excellent cross success rate in Ligue 1, so hopefully Watkins benefits. I like him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 16, 2020, 08:58:39 AM
Looks very promising. Took his goal with ease and seemed quite nonchalant afterwards. It was his first competitive game this season so give him a chance. If he scores 1 out of every 2 chances per match Iíll be more than happy.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2020, 09:03:15 AM
He reminded me so much of Tammy. I think he's going to score quite a few goals for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2020, 09:03:37 AM
V burton could have more than his solitary goal and great to see a proper striker for us .
He took his goal with ease but missed a very easy chance.
Think he'll be fine and hoping for the 15+ goals this season
Well played ollie

Same as in the friendly against Man U.  Scored a good goal, and then missed a bit of a sitter.  It shows he's getting into the right positions though, and his finishing will improve at this level as he plays more.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rob_bridge on September 16, 2020, 09:04:18 AM
If we can get 12+ goals from him and Wesley comes back and hit something 8-10 which he would have comfortably done then that is a decent basis. jack, McGrinn, Trez half a dozen each
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: boozey182 on September 16, 2020, 09:28:16 AM
What I like about Watkins' goals so far is that for both the commentator has said something along the lines of "he won't get an easier finish than that all season". It's exactly what we were missing last year - someone with the intelligence and speed to get on the end of those balls.

He'll score plenty with decent service, I have no concerns about him at all. Having said that, I think he'll end up playing on the wing a fair bit as the season goes on. Nothing more than a hunch, but I reckon we're still after a Tammy/Edouard type to play as our number 9.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 16, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
Nothing more than a hunch, but I reckon we're still after a Tammy/Edouard type to play as our number 9.

Watkins is very similar to Tammy. Put the ball in the 6 yard box and he's on it. Edouard is more like Benteke (Villa version), he can score all types of goals from all over the pitch. I'd love us to sign him. He's the right age and think he'll go on to be a top striker.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on September 16, 2020, 09:41:50 AM
I've said it before but it really wouldn't surprise me if, at times, we see Grelaish as a 10 with 2 wide strikers in front of him, Watkins, Traore, Wesley and Davis would all work in those roles and Rashica would be a good alternative at 10 as well. Add a midfielder who can run beyond the 10 and get into the box (which is what Ramsey has done for years at age group level and he seems to be right in the mix this season) and you have good approximation of how Liverpool setup and I've thought for a long time that Smith is trying to take us in that direction.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 16, 2020, 09:45:35 AM
He cost me last night!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 16, 2020, 11:01:33 AM
I've said it before but it really wouldn't surprise me if, at times, we see Grelaish as a 10 with 2 wide strikers in front of him, Watkins, Traore, Wesley and Davis would all work in those roles and Rashica would be a good alternative at 10 as well. Add a midfielder who can run beyond the 10 and get into the box (which is what Ramsey has done for years at age group level and he seems to be right in the mix this season) and you have good approximation of how Liverpool setup and I've thought for a long time that Smith is trying to take us in that direction.

I think we're trying to set-up like Liverpool too.

With Watkins' goal there were 2 players who had gone into good positions. Watkins and Ramsey, who could have easily been on the end of the cross. Last season we probably wouldn't have had anyone in the box. The 2 that were weren't part of the first team last season.

Did anyone else notice that with the one where Watkins hit the bar, the ball took a small bobble right before he hit it?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: john e on September 16, 2020, 12:51:06 PM
He reminded me so much of Tammy. I think he's going to score quite a few goals for us.

yes i agree very similar
and that's no bad thing

and like Tammy he will score a plenty miss plenty but overall we will have a much greater attacking threat with him at the front of it
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2020, 12:54:11 PM
I can see a lot of low crosses and Ollie sliding in for a few scrappy ones. Tammy was great at getting on the end of similar deliveries.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 16, 2020, 01:02:39 PM
I think the ability to get into the position to score is absolutely critical. Great to see his movement.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: exigo on September 16, 2020, 01:17:29 PM
20 tap-ins this season will do us just fine.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ger Regan on September 16, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
He's very quick too, isn't he? At least compared to our other options up front he is.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
He's very quick too, isn't he? At least compared to our other options up front he is.

Quicker than Concrete Boots Wesley, Wading Through Treacle Trezeguet or Is He Actually Moving El Ghazi?  I refuse to believe it!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 16, 2020, 02:44:34 PM
He's very quick too, isn't he? At least compared to our other options up front he is.

Quicker than Concrete Boots Wesley, Wading Through Treacle Trezeguet or Is He Actually Moving El Ghazi?  I refuse to believe it!

Would have liked to see more link up with him and Jack a few time Grealish could play the ball for a quick one two but he dallying .
It's just how Grealish plays but saw twice Watkins show for it and Grealish was doing his own show instead.

That's the next step get Watkins integrated in team play we seen and know he can score a goal or two. No concerns there
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villafirst on September 16, 2020, 07:16:13 PM
He's very quick too, isn't he? At least compared to our other options up front he is.

Quicker than Concrete Boots Wesley, Wading Through Treacle Trezeguet or Is He Actually Moving El Ghazi?  I refuse to believe it!

El Ghazi used to have a decent turn of pace. What happened to that? His confidence looks shot, terrible ball retention and rubbish corner kicks. Why didn't DS take him off at Half-time?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: enigma on September 16, 2020, 07:29:33 PM
He cost me last night!
Yep. Annoyed he got taken off with 20 minutes to go!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 17, 2020, 10:42:36 AM
20 tap-ins this season will do us just fine.
1 down 19 to go.
I think in overall comps Watkins could hit 20+ goals.
But realistically and based historically in a debut season could be looking for 11-14 goals premier league goals.

Only 4 strikers in debut season have achieved *15+ goals coming up from the championship in 20 years. All English
Bent 18
Austin 18
Lambert 15

The other promoted player in the last 20 years  scored 20+ goals Andy Johnson 21 goals for Palace.

Also in the last 20 years its one of the rarest occurrence for a player who hasn't played  top flight English football before to come in and get 20 Premier League goals in their first season.

Torres 24 goals
Ruud Van Nistelrooy 23 goals
Diego Costa at Chelsea 20 goals
And Andy Johnson 21 goals

On the point of debut season and amount of goals scored in prem
Darren Bent 18
Charlie Austin 18
Zlatan Ibrahimovic 17
Aguero 16
Igahalo 16
Llorente 15
Lambert
Lacazette 14

What they all have in common of course is that they are the main striker in the team.

Point of reference  debut seasons for
Raul Jimenez wolves 13
Pukki Norwich 11
Mitrovic 9

*Despite scoring 15 Prem goals Abraham scored 5 goals in his first ever season at Premier league level so he's not included.

A forecast of 11-14 premier league goals for Watkins is fair.

Though let's hope he can hit 15+ goals being the main striker in the team it's not improbable for 20 premier league goals but highly unlikely given the history
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2020, 04:44:58 PM
Does our Ollie normally take penalties?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2020, 04:51:28 PM
No
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2020, 04:56:10 PM
Wheres Marcus Stewart of Ipswich and Kevin Phillips (Sunderland days) in your lists, Footy? Didn't they pwn the Prem in the early years of the nu millenia ?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
No
okay, thx.
Given the number of penalties being awarded and reflecting on Ayew's wholly-inept effort yesterday I hope that Smith has given dome focus on this. I'm not sure who our established penalty-taker is: i don't recall us winning many last season (Wes took one and missed at Naaarrrich).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2020, 05:28:05 PM
No
okay, thx.
Given the number of penalties being awarded and reflecting on Ayew's wholly-inept effort yesterday I hope that Smith has given dome focus on this. I'm not sure who our established penalty-taker is: i don't recall us winning many last season (Wes took one and missed at Naaarrrich).

I think Hourihane, if he's on the pitch, should take them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2020, 05:57:03 PM
No
okay, thx.
Given the number of penalties being awarded and reflecting on Ayew's wholly-inept effort yesterday I hope that Smith has given dome focus on this. I'm not sure who our established penalty-taker is: i don't recall us winning many last season (Wes took one and missed at Naaarrrich).

I think Hourihane, if he's on the pitch, should take them.
Presumably, he won't be in the starting 11 often, so it needs more than him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 20, 2020, 06:23:51 PM
I'd definitely give them to Ollie but think Jack will be our penalty taker this year.

Centre forwards should always want to take penalties to my mind, and be allowed to unless there's an obviously outstanding candidate with a great record somewhere else in the team. If you don't back yourself to score one on one with the keeper as a striker and get an easy 3 or 4 goals (or 15 if you play for United) in a season, there's surely something wrong with your confidence. I vaguely remember one of our strikers years ago, maybe Julian Joachim, saying he didn't like taking them and thought it was a bit odd.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 20, 2020, 06:37:05 PM
Unfortunately I can see Jack missing some. Would rather have someone who you would bet you're house on them putting it away.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Bad English on September 20, 2020, 08:30:12 PM
I wonder how much time is dedicated to taking penalties at BMH. Either at team level or by individual players. I'd like to think that Jack and others stay behind ŗ la Beckham or Ladyboy to hone their skills.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 21, 2020, 03:40:35 AM
The clamp down yesterday, with De Gea moving a fraction off his line , must really favour penalty takers this season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sid1964 on September 21, 2020, 07:39:08 AM
it will be interesting to see how he does tonight against a couple of tough centre halfs
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ozzjim on September 21, 2020, 07:45:14 AM
He has really good movement. I think he will be fine.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: AV82EC on September 21, 2020, 07:50:16 AM
it will be interesting to see how he does tonight against a couple of tough centre halfs

A couple? Donít Sheff U play with 3?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: fbriai on September 21, 2020, 07:54:49 AM
The clamp down yesterday, with De Gea moving a fraction off his line , must really favour penalty takers this season.

I think you are right in general, but watching Ayew's and Jorginho's penalties over the weekend, I think the new rule may actually work against players who do these stupid run-ups and then side-foot the ball into one of the corners. That works fine if they keeper has already made up his mind and gone bundling off his line in one direction or the other, but they are now moving later, giving them a fraction of a second more time to see where the ball is going.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 10:54:32 AM
I'd definitely give them to Ollie but think Jack will be our penalty taker this year.

Centre forwards should always want to take penalties to my mind, and be allowed to unless there's an obviously outstanding candidate with a great record somewhere else in the team. If you don't back yourself to score one on one with the keeper as a striker and get an easy 3 or 4 goals (or 15 if you play for United) in a season, there's surely something wrong with your confidence. I vaguely remember one of our strikers years ago, maybe Julian Joachim, saying he didn't like taking them and thought it was a bit odd.

I know what you mean but I think I prefer it for pens taken elsewhere in the team. A miss could really hurt confidence for a striker as the expectation is there. Watkins would be far better anticipating a rebound to finish it than anyone else too.

I'd give them to Grealish or SJM but Traore may fancy it too...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 10:57:29 AM
I'd definitely give them to Ollie but think Jack will be our penalty taker this year.

Centre forwards should always want to take penalties to my mind, and be allowed to unless there's an obviously outstanding candidate with a great record somewhere else in the team. If you don't back yourself to score one on one with the keeper as a striker and get an easy 3 or 4 goals (or 15 if you play for United) in a season, there's surely something wrong with your confidence. I vaguely remember one of our strikers years ago, maybe Julian Joachim, saying he didn't like taking them and thought it was a bit odd.

I know what you mean but I think I prefer it for pens taken elsewhere in the team. A miss could really hurt confidence for a striker as the expectation is there. Watkins would be far better anticipating a rebound to finish it than anyone else too.

I'd give them to Grealish or SJM but Traore may fancy it too...

Luiz can leather a ball, I'd maybe give him a try.  Expect it'll be Jack though.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 10:58:28 AM
I'd definitely give them to Ollie but think Jack will be our penalty taker this year.

Centre forwards should always want to take penalties to my mind, and be allowed to unless there's an obviously outstanding candidate with a great record somewhere else in the team. If you don't back yourself to score one on one with the keeper as a striker and get an easy 3 or 4 goals (or 15 if you play for United) in a season, there's surely something wrong with your confidence. I vaguely remember one of our strikers years ago, maybe Julian Joachim, saying he didn't like taking them and thought it was a bit odd.

I know what you mean but I think I prefer it for pens taken elsewhere in the team. A miss could really hurt confidence for a striker as the expectation is there. Watkins would be far better anticipating a rebound to finish it than anyone else too.

I'd give them to Grealish or SJM but Traore may fancy it too...

Luiz can leather a ball, I'd maybe give him a try.  Expect it'll be Jack though.

True. And agreed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on September 21, 2020, 08:34:32 PM
I thought Ollie did well tonight.  Some nice movement and a quick enough turn of pace.  Would have got on the end of the Minger punt. Lovely effort towards the end of the game.  Will be just as comfy out wide too.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 21, 2020, 08:38:10 PM
May not have scored but still contributed to our play. Useful to know that if we need a goal, we can move him out wide.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 21, 2020, 08:38:33 PM
Like him a lot. I can see why Deano wanted him, he ticks all the boxes
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on September 21, 2020, 08:40:18 PM
Thought he did okay. must be already pining for the service he got at Brentford though.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on September 21, 2020, 08:43:32 PM
I like Ollie, he looks very assured and he looks brave enough to throw himself into the box. Unlucky with his effort.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 21, 2020, 09:20:30 PM
Thought he did well. Tough game against 10 men of Sheffield Utd.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 10:08:58 PM
Thought he did okay. must be already pining for the service he got at Brentford though.

Rubbish.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: exigo on September 21, 2020, 10:09:50 PM
it will be interesting to see how he does tonight against a couple of tough centre halfs

A couple? Donít Sheff U play with 3?

About seven at last count.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on September 21, 2020, 10:11:06 PM
Did well against Egan that time. But one shot aside thought his touch and movement were poor. Very easily snuffed out by Sheff Utd's defence. Maybe could have moved to left wing for a bit to get into the game. Not much space to run into tonight and Grealish and himself were on different wavelengths. That will come.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: andyh on September 21, 2020, 10:11:43 PM
No service whatsoever and still managed to fashion a couple of decent efforts on goal.
Heíll be ok.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on September 21, 2020, 10:25:13 PM
Thought he did okay. must be already pining for the service he got at Brentford though.

Rubbish.

Really? You thought he had loads of chances created for him then?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on September 21, 2020, 10:28:11 PM
Thought he did okay. must be already pining for the service he got at Brentford though.

Rubbish.

Really? You thought he had loads of chances created for him then?
I'm sure he'd rather be playing for Villa than Brentford.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on September 21, 2020, 10:30:23 PM
well obviously, but he was basically living off scraps tonight or what he could create himself
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on September 21, 2020, 11:10:13 PM
He's playing in the Premier League now. He payed against the 4th best defence in the country. I'm sure he's satisfied with his lot.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on September 21, 2020, 11:42:12 PM
The curling shot was decent but I saw a positive in the 2nd half when we worked an opening on the right, not much was going on in the box but he had the instinct to get infront of his marker quickly as Trez whipped a ball in, unfortunately it took a slight deflectiin and Ollie couldnt quite stretch to reach it but that quick instinctive movement will see him score a few I reckon/Hope.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: richtheholtender on September 22, 2020, 12:23:49 AM
Very impressed with him
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Matt C on September 22, 2020, 03:01:16 AM
Thought he played well. Smart runs, made a nuisance of himself and once he gets on the smart wavelength as more of those around him heíll be a real threat.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sid1964 on September 22, 2020, 07:31:41 AM
i thought that he lacked the physical presence when he was playing as a centre forward, and came more into the game once Davies came on and he played wider
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 22, 2020, 07:33:34 AM
Watkins will work if we get the ball in behind or give him good service. A lot of ball to feet and he won't get many goals.

Hopefully we don't ruin this striker, we've ruined a lot in the past.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: themossman on September 22, 2020, 08:19:12 AM
Looked like hard work for him last night but he remained a threat and showed moments of class like his late effort.

Heíll play in more expansive games than that, sheff Utd must be about as hard a game a striker could face, so hard to judge his reaction to the step up in quality of defenders yet.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 22, 2020, 08:20:30 AM
I thought he looked bright and efficient, he'll be a good 'un.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Axl Rose on September 22, 2020, 08:24:04 AM
I agree LeeB. He has an air of class about him, and is always looking to get on the end of things. Would like to see him as part of a front 2, also.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 22, 2020, 10:12:45 AM
He's going to love playing in front of a packed Villa Park (whenever that may be).

He just has that instinct that good strikers have.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 22, 2020, 11:17:36 AM
Very unlucky with that effort at the end but for a few inches.  He's good and will get better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 22, 2020, 06:59:54 PM
Very Darren Bent-ish last night.  If he maintains that strikersí instinct and adds a bit elsewhere weíll have a gem on our hands.  Big IF, I guess, but a positive start.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on September 23, 2020, 09:45:39 AM
I thought he played well he's going to score goals for us that's for sure.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 23, 2020, 10:32:59 AM
Wheres Marcus Stewart of Ipswich and Kevin Phillips (Sunderland days) in your lists, Footy? Didn't they pwn the Prem in the early years of the nu millenia ?
They were just outside of the cut of point of last 20 or so seasons .

Shows us not many get 15+ premier league  goals in debut seasons
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2020, 09:25:36 PM
He's got two goals in three games albeit in the cup but I think he will score a lot more for us he's carried on where he left off last season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
He gets into key positions which is a great trait to have as a forward. He seems to just know where to be.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2020, 09:28:57 PM
I'm Rockin' Around With Ollie W.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
He gets into key positions which is a great trait to have as a forward. He seems to just know where to be.

I agree.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 24, 2020, 10:12:29 PM
He's got two goals in three games albeit in the cup but I think he will score a lot more for us he's carried on where he left off last season.

3 in 4 if you include the Manure friendly
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 24, 2020, 10:21:26 PM
He's got two goals in three games albeit in the cup but I think he will score a lot more for us he's carried on where he left off last season.

3 in 4 if you include the Manure friendly

2 down 18 to go for 20 in goals in all comps.
Looks quite the goal scorer and hoping he flourish against Fulham Monday after his poor show in Play Off final against them.

My Forecast for Premier league goals is set at 11-14 goals 
That's based on solid research. So is most likely around this figure. (If not more! But provisos number of minutes for the season)

In the premier league.
Anything above is outstanding on a debut season .15+ goals is rare occurrence debut or otherwise
Anything below 11 is underwhelming.
Provided he is our main striker.

And providing he plays a decent amount of 30+ games
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brian green on September 25, 2020, 08:09:05 AM
He is a natural, instinctive goal poacher the like of which we have not had since the days of Gary Shaw, Dwight Yorke and to slightly lesser degree Darren Bent.  He will do us well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 25, 2020, 11:56:02 AM
He is a natural, instinctive goal poacher the like of which we have not had since the days of Gary Shaw, Dwight Yorke and to slightly lesser degree Darren Bent.  He will do us well.

It's just so nice to see after years without it, just knowing your striker will be on the end of a loose ball is a great feeling.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 25, 2020, 12:07:59 PM
I liked the way he took his goal last night, letting the ball run across him, and using his left foot, when taking it with his right might have been the natural thing to have done.  It shows he is full of confidence and enjoying the challenge that comes with the step up.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: FatSam on September 25, 2020, 12:12:13 PM
I liked the way he took his goal last night, letting the ball run across him, and using his left foot, when taking it with his right might have been the natural thing to have done.  It shows he is full of confidence and enjoying the challenge that comes with the step up.
I agree, but he has probably played in the 3rd round of the Carabao Cup before. Letís see how he does in the EPL. Iím hopeful.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: mallo on September 25, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
He gets into key positions which is a great trait to have as a forward. He seems to just know where to be.

I agree.
I agree as well - he seems to find 2 yards all the time - that's why his Brentford goals look like tap ins - he's in the right place, which as has been proven by our last umpteen strikers it's not as simple as it looks.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 25, 2020, 12:32:35 PM
He gets into key positions which is a great trait to have as a forward. He seems to just know where to be.

I agree.
I agree as well - he seems to find 2 yards all the time - that's why his Brentford goals look like tap ins - he's in the right place, which as has been proven by our last umpteen strikers it's not as simple as it looks.

Platt was the absolute master at this, hence his incredible goal return from Midfield for us. Superb player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on September 25, 2020, 01:40:58 PM
I liked the way he took his goal last night, letting the ball run across him, and using his left foot, when taking it with his right might have been the natural thing to have done.  It shows he is full of confidence and enjoying the challenge that comes with the step up.
I agree, but he has probably played in the 3rd round of the Carabao Cup before. Letís see how he does in the EPL. Iím hopeful.
He started the move & finished with a goal. Be happy brother.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ktvillan on September 25, 2020, 02:52:41 PM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs ae excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

If I'm being hyper-critical, he had three very good chances last night and converted one - I doubt he'll get three clear chances per game in the PL that often.  It may be he wasn't quite up to speed or tuned in having come on late.

Also for one of them he could have laid it off to Trez who was better positioned and wide open - but I'd say that's a sign of a striker's natural desire to hit the net and back himself  (aside from the fact that a ball to Trez is too often a wasted one).   

I'm confident he'll get  a decent return of goals for us based on what I've seen so far.   
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 25, 2020, 03:53:06 PM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs are excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

Cracking explanation here as to how Ollie developed by his manager at Exeter (apologies if it's been posted before):

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 25, 2020, 04:32:22 PM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs are excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

Cracking explanation here as to how Ollie developed by his manager at Exeter (apologies if it's been posted before):



That's ace, I love that.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: The Charmer on September 25, 2020, 05:02:11 PM
Me too. Liked the way Paul Tisdale came across as well.

Hearing about the tweaks and changes to the game of, what he admits, was already a promising young player was really interesting.
Even better, he's now at the Villa and seems to have the character and attitude to do something very special.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2020, 05:13:11 PM
There's a lot of young players who would benefit from watching that video.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 25, 2020, 05:42:00 PM
A few managers and coaches too I'm sure.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 25, 2020, 06:30:39 PM
There's a lot of young players who would benefit from watching that video.
Like Keinan?!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: oldtimernow on September 25, 2020, 07:12:57 PM
I think we could do a lot worse than get that guy on board.

Compare with Steve Bruce...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: supertom on September 25, 2020, 08:33:00 PM
He's got a touch of the Darren Bent about him. He just has a knack of being in the right place/time (he must be a nightmare to try and tract as a defender). I'd say thus far he looks as if his all round play/link up might be better too, and potentially that's the benefit of having played wide before. I'm impressed so far. Fancy him to net against Fulham, who look very suspect defensively.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: JD on September 26, 2020, 09:51:29 AM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs are excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

Cracking explanation here as to how Ollie developed by his manager at Exeter (apologies if it's been posted before):



Thanks Mark that's a great post.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 26, 2020, 10:07:34 AM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs are excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

Cracking explanation here as to how Ollie developed by his manager at Exeter (apologies if it's been posted before):



Thanks Mark that's a great post.


Hadnít seen this before. What a great bit of coaching.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on September 26, 2020, 10:41:04 AM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs are excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

Cracking explanation here as to how Ollie developed by his manager at Exeter (apologies if it's been posted before):



Thanks Mark that's a great post.


Hadnít seen this before. What a great bit of coaching.
Just watched it myself - brilliant post. Like that Paul Tilsdale chap, comes across as a really good coach.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on September 26, 2020, 10:58:04 AM
Great stuff. I like that he says it's about assuming they've got those basics about where to stand, where to run in their position etc before finding a way to give them back their natural spontaneity.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: manic-road on October 04, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
First half hatrick against Pool, incredible.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 04, 2020, 09:12:31 PM
Brilliant
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Smithy on October 04, 2020, 09:15:36 PM
First half hatrick against Pool, incredible.

Correction, first-half PERFECT hat-trick against the Champions...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on October 04, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
What a player we have, love him
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on October 04, 2020, 09:16:29 PM
Reminded me of Defoe today.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 04, 2020, 09:16:47 PM
Just outstanding. This weekend as I watched some of the forwards on other teams (that realistically we will compete with for a mid table spot), I honestly didn't know if we had a Calvert-Lewin or Ings or Raul etc. Fuck this lad is every bit as good. Just fucking awesome today. He tore to shreds a current England CB
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on October 04, 2020, 09:26:52 PM
Never in doubt.
Disappointed he didn't score the one-on-one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on October 04, 2020, 09:29:13 PM
Couldve had 5. His running, dropping, going wide, coming short, over the top, holding up confused the fuck out of them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on October 04, 2020, 09:30:44 PM
In his post match interview, he said he should have done better for the one on one and needs to improve! We have a jewel here
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 04, 2020, 09:33:02 PM
Fabulous player. Pacy and mobile. We've struck gold. With players like Jack, SJM and Barkley this kid will fill his boots.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 04, 2020, 09:41:30 PM
I wanted him in when we were linked but I thought he'd be one who needed easing in - some cameos from the bench, one for the future etc. Instead, we've only gone and got ourselves a proper line-leading Premier League striker. And I love the attitude of being pissed off with himself at the chance he missed instead of dwelling on the three he scored. He's going to get an absolute bagful for us, defenders must hate playing against him - he's a proper pain in the arse who never gives them a second's peace. Outstanding.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: supertom on October 04, 2020, 09:43:44 PM
He'd already impressed me without scoring, but today he got the goals his work so far had deserved. I did worry he might just be a poacher and not much else but he's very good all round, has a bit of nous, works the channels well and reads Jack very well. I think he'll hit 20 this season. He'll make a few too and I think there's a certain benefit he has from having been a wideman before. I guess like Henry. If he's half as good as Thierry, he'll do alright.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 04, 2020, 09:45:26 PM
You look at his stature and struggle to see how he's going to cope physically against big centre halves, yet somehow he wins a very high proportion of high balls and recycles possession really efficiently.

We've got a gem on our hands, by the look of it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 04, 2020, 09:50:25 PM
I know it's probably a technical impossibility, but I think he's bigger than he looks.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2020, 09:54:11 PM
I didn't realise he was as quick as he is.  Rapid.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 04, 2020, 09:54:55 PM
One of the best debuts I've seen.  Right up there with Stan.

Edit:  I meant that to go on the Ross Barkley thread.  But what the fuck, let's spread the love.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on October 04, 2020, 09:55:51 PM
Heís very deceiving in that he looks small and lightweight but heís so strong. I noticed against Fulham and again tonight. Clever player, quick, strong, a proper centre forward.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 04, 2020, 09:55:56 PM
One of the best debuts I've seen.  Right up there with Stan.

And Didier Six.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on October 04, 2020, 10:01:18 PM
You look at his stature and struggle to see how he's going to cope physically against big centre halves, yet somehow he wins a very high proportion of high balls and recycles possession really efficiently.

We've got a gem on our hands, by the look of it.

it's because he jumps really well, gets up early, loads of height and hangs there for a moment.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: robleflaneur on October 04, 2020, 10:09:23 PM
He never stops and  apart from picking up possession,he frequently finds space in the box.A nightmare for defenders.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Smithy on October 04, 2020, 10:14:33 PM
I love his work rate.  He's very difficult to defend against, as Klopp mentioned, because he can do a bit of everything.

I also loved the tinge of disappointment for missing his 1-on-1 in his post-match interview - That drive to improve and do better will take him up to even higher performance levels.

I think he's going to score a lot of goals for us...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 04, 2020, 10:18:25 PM
He'd already impressed me without scoring, but today he got the goals his work so far had deserved. I did worry he might just be a poacher and not much else but he's very good all round, has a bit of nous, works the channels well and reads Jack very well. I think he'll hit 20 this season. He'll make a few too and I think there's a certain benefit he has from having been a wideman before. I guess like Henry. If he's half as good as Thierry, he'll do alright.

I previously said he looked like Bent on this thread but today he looked better.  Held up the ball and looked like he could beat a defender.  Fingers crossed he is the complete forward, the signs are good (caveat, we just won 7-2).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on October 04, 2020, 10:27:23 PM
There's an efficiency about his play that's really impressed me from the off, this lad is going right to the top. With us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 04, 2020, 10:32:04 PM
According to the Beeb, Klopp was mentioned him when speaking about us.

Quote
[Ollie] Watkins wow
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: garyfouroaks on October 04, 2020, 10:32:15 PM
i thought that he eased up a bit in the second half
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ColinMac on October 04, 2020, 10:34:34 PM
One of the best debuts I've seen.  Right up there with Stan.

And Didier Six.

Not a patch on This debut against Norwich
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2020, 10:34:50 PM
There's an efficiency about his play that's really impressed me from the off, this lad is going right to the top. With us.

He looks like he genuinely could play anywhere in the front three.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ColinMac on October 04, 2020, 10:37:31 PM
Watkins gives us pace, strength and an outball.. he stretches the opposition defence, he's a Gabby before he bulked up, once Wesley is fit he better get used to sitting on the bench 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: richtheholtender on October 04, 2020, 10:51:43 PM
Heís the player gabby should have been
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aj2k77 on October 04, 2020, 10:53:35 PM
Brilliant kid, brilliant.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 04, 2020, 10:58:50 PM
Heís OK is suppose.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tomd2103 on October 04, 2020, 10:59:28 PM
Watkins gives us pace, strength and an outball.. he stretches the opposition defence, he's a Gabby before he bulked up, once Wesley is fit he better get used to sitting on the bench

Trying to not get too carried away after that performance from him, but goals aside, think his work-rate has been really impressive.

When it went to 5-2 and another goal for them might have changed the complexion of the game, he scrapped really hard to hold the ball up a couple of times and it just took a bit of pressure off.

His second goal was superb.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 04, 2020, 11:06:07 PM
Watkins gives us pace, strength and an outball.. he stretches the opposition defence, he's a Gabby before he bulked up, once Wesley is fit he better get used to sitting on the bench

Trying to not get too carried away after that performance from him, but goals aside, think his work-rate has been really impressive.

When it went to 5-2 and another goal for them might have changed the complexion of the game, he scrapped really hard to hold the ball up a couple of times and it just took a bit of pressure off.

His second goal was superb.

TBF, all three were class. First one his pressure forced the error and then he knew he had time to take a touch and put it in. Other strikers could have tried hitting it first time and screwed it up.
The second with the link up play and then the run and the last the header, had such power and precision that even if the keeper was well positioned it wouldn't have been stopped. A perfect hat trick as well.

And as Shearer pointed out a perfect Hat trick.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on October 04, 2020, 11:06:40 PM
I was most impressed by how much of a bully he is. He moves defenders around, hits space, knows where the back of the net is, but physically he competes too. Absolutely bullied van Dijk and Gomez.

He looks to be a really good prospect.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on October 04, 2020, 11:08:30 PM
Understand the Gabby comparisons but really, his technique is a billion times better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2020, 11:12:10 PM
He equalled Gabby's goal tally in his last three seasons in one game.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on October 04, 2020, 11:18:20 PM
I was most impressed by how much of a bully he is. He moves defenders around, hits space, knows where the back of the net is, but physically he competes too. Absolutely bullied van Dijk and Gomez.

He looks to be a really good prospect.

This.  He looks like a really good prospect.  Good movement and upper body strength.  I like the way he tells himself off when he misses a chance.  Sounds like a really humble and eager to please young man. Quality acquisition, looks a snip.  5 goals already?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 04, 2020, 11:22:49 PM
And could almost have been in double figures already as well. Also remember Grealish has four as well. Two players on the way to 20 in the season hopefully.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tomd2103 on October 05, 2020, 12:00:33 AM
I was most impressed by how much of a bully he is. He moves defenders around, hits space, knows where the back of the net is, but physically he competes too. Absolutely bullied van Dijk and Gomez.

He looks to be a really good prospect.

There was one passage of play in the second half where the ball got played down the line and van Dijk got their first and was heading back towards his own goal.  Instead of giving it up as a lost cause and dropping off, Watkins chased him down and forced him to put the ball out, getting us a throw in deep in their half. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 05, 2020, 12:08:26 AM
He's got two goals in three games albeit in the cup but I think he will score a lot more for us he's carried on where he left off last season.

3 in 4 if you include the Manure friendly

2 down 18 to go for 20 in goals in all comps.
Looks quite the goal scorer and hoping he flourish against Fulham Monday after his poor show in Play Off final against them.

My Forecast for Premier league goals is set at 11-14 goals 
That's based on solid research. So is most likely around this figure. (If not more! But provisos number of minutes for the season)

In the premier league.
Anything above is outstanding on a debut season .15+ goals is rare occurrence debut or otherwise
Anything below 11 is underwhelming.
Provided he is our main striker.

And providing he plays a decent amount of 30+ games

Superb hat trick tonight.
Perfect .
Dream land.

So that's 5 goals 15 to go for 20 in all comps.

3 goals premier league with the fantastic hat trick and as he said it could have been 4 or 5
Love this guy's attitude and sheer team play . Great Instincts and just loves Deano.
So happy he's our main man and very good things are happening !

Bravo Ollie Bravo!
Well on the way to hitting premier league goal targets
Superb man
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ozzjim on October 05, 2020, 12:14:34 AM
I was most impressed by how much of a bully he is. He moves defenders around, hits space, knows where the back of the net is, but physically he competes too. Absolutely bullied van Dijk and Gomez.

He looks to be a really good prospect.

There was one passage of play in the second half where the ball got played down the line and van Dijk got their first and was heading back towards his own goal.  Instead of giving it up as a lost cause and dropping off, Watkins chased him down and forced him to put the ball out, getting us a throw in deep in their half. 

Said earlier on that even without a goal tonight, Watkins was my man of the match. I have not seen a striker work the line, tirelessly harass defenders AND make the ball stick up top like that in a long, long time. He was truly exceptional tonight, and deserved 5-6 goals in the end. He has exceptional movement in the box too. Kid will score a lot of goals, but his overall play is  massive reason we can now spring out the way we do. We must find a suitable back up for him!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on October 05, 2020, 12:21:45 AM
What a player and what a performance from Ollie he's just brilliant.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on October 05, 2020, 01:22:53 AM
Employing my limited language skills to read the European papers' reports on the match (mainly just to see the numbers '7' and '2' surrounded by capitalised words of all kinds), I came across the description of Watkins in Sueddeutsche Zeitung as 'Villa-StŁrmer', which I fucking love.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: artvandelay on October 05, 2020, 01:24:02 AM
I don't want to piss on your chips but that literally means Villa Striker!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on October 05, 2020, 01:25:21 AM
I don't want to piss on your chips but that literally means Villa Striker!

I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 05, 2020, 01:53:14 AM
I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.

No mention of a Villa-Blitzkrieg?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 05, 2020, 09:22:57 AM
Absolutely brilliant aground display. From start to finish he bullied Liverpool. Scored a perfect hat trick and Iíve got the feeling itís the first of many,

Ollie, Ollie, Ollie UTV !
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2020, 09:32:32 AM
He is a serious striker, Iím struggling to see a weakness. He has a strikerís instinct, great pace, great movement, he holds the ball up well and he can head it. He is some player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rory Christopher on October 05, 2020, 09:58:56 AM
Delighted for him. Is that 5 in 5, in all competitions? I've been really impressed with everything I've seen. Even when he doesn't score, he contributes to the team and appears to bring a lot of energy and enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on October 05, 2020, 10:48:49 AM
As someone who thought it was a huge risk paying 28m for a Championship striker I was starting to get a bit worried after 2 games, mainly with the confidence thing of not getting off the mark in the premiership. After last night I really can't see him not getting 15+ goals this season  which probably banishes any lingering worries about a relegation battle and solves a problem we haven't permanently fixed since Benteke. Better still, you can see him easily surpassing Benteke and a fair few others. Anyway, best not jinx him. He's adequate.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PGW on October 05, 2020, 10:51:18 AM
He is a serious striker, Iím struggling to see a weakness. He has a strikerís instinct, great pace, great movement, he holds the ball up well and he can head it. He is some player.
A younger Jamie Vardy
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Chris Smith on October 05, 2020, 11:01:38 AM
He is a serious striker, Iím struggling to see a weakness. He has a strikerís instinct, great pace, great movement, he holds the ball up well and he can head it. He is some player.

Agreed and on top of that he doesnít stop working, giving his markers no time to settle.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on October 05, 2020, 11:14:31 AM
Agree re work rate - he reminds me of Dean Saunders in that respect. Never stops.

His attitude looks spot in as well - reference his post match interview last night when he was humble and upset he didn't get more goals.

A great signing in the making.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: German James on October 05, 2020, 11:15:36 AM
I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.

No mention of a Villa-Blitzkrieg?
The headline on our local paper's report was "Aha! Herr Klopp! FŁr Sie, ist der Premierkrieg zu Ende! Hšnde hoch Schweinhund![sic] Gott im Himmel! Achtung: Spitfire!"
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 05, 2020, 11:48:44 AM
I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.

No mention of a Villa-Blitzkrieg?
The headline on our local paper's report was "Aha! Herr Klopp! FŁr Sie, ist der Premierkrieg zu Ende! Hšnde hoch Schweinhund![sic] Gott im Himmel! Achtung: Spitfire!"

What's that in English? "Never were so many goals scored by so few due to no Manť"?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on October 05, 2020, 11:50:38 AM
I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.

No mention of a Villa-Blitzkrieg?
The headline on our local paper's report was "Aha! Herr Klopp! FŁr Sie, ist der Premierkrieg zu Ende! Hšnde hoch Schweinhund![sic] Gott im Himmel! Achtung: Spitfire!"

What's that in English? "Never were so many goals scored by so few due to no Manť"?
Allisson was the big Miss for Liverpool
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on October 05, 2020, 12:27:31 PM
At one stage last night near the end he controlled a punt forward on his head. Any of you see that? He could do no wrong, well maybe the two missed sitters

Brilliant second goal, absolute class that was. Fast, strong, aggressive, good technical skills. Wesley is like a bad dream in comparison.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: usav on October 05, 2020, 12:50:47 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villa Lew on October 05, 2020, 01:01:20 PM
Perfect hat trick from a perfect striker, tremendously impressed with him yesterday. Not only is he a top striker, work rate excellent, despite not having a huge frame surprising how strong he is, holds the ball superbly.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Bad English on October 05, 2020, 01:19:38 PM
L'…quipe in France went with 'Liverpool : red with shame'.

Cheeky fuckers! There is no shame in being destroyed by a team of our quality and pedigree.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: KevinGage on October 05, 2020, 01:21:22 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)

Watkins himself, after the game.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 05, 2020, 01:24:49 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)
Sky Sports said so on their match report
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on October 05, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)

Watkins himself, after the game.

And he was still humble and articulate enough to say he was frustrated with himself for hitting the bar and missing the one on one. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on October 05, 2020, 01:39:29 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)

Watkins himself, after the game.

And he was still humble and articulate enough to say he was frustrated with himself for hitting the bar and missing the one on one.

Nah, the last two make it an even rarer feat - The Davis Hattrick
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: WilliamStanding on October 05, 2020, 01:41:54 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)

Watkins himself, after the game.

And he was still humble and articulate enough to say he was frustrated with himself for hitting the bar and missing the one on one.

Nah, the last two make it an even rarer feat - The Davis Hattrick

Funniest quote in a while.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rooboy316 on October 05, 2020, 01:55:28 PM
Thereís something about his form, particularly in the upper body, thatís very similar to Gabbyís sprinting technique.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: danno on October 05, 2020, 02:11:55 PM
Were we always signing him? Or was it a choice between him and Wilson?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Iamkmkm on October 05, 2020, 02:34:12 PM
Seems like a bargain, been with impressed with him evry time ive seen him play.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: TonyD on October 05, 2020, 09:41:12 PM
Him and Jack already have an understanding.  Could be a prolific partnership.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: supertom on October 05, 2020, 09:56:37 PM
I noticed on rewatching the MOTD highlights that his pressing and dispossessing lead to two of the other goals as well. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ktvillan on October 06, 2020, 12:30:10 AM
Watkins looks like he has pace, strength and intelligence, good on the floor and in the air.  VVD is a big unit but he bounced off Ollie once or twice.  Gomez looked lost.  If he has something that needs work it's when he's through one on one - he had a situation in one of the Caribou cup ties, maybe Bristol City, similar to the one on Sunday and shot too close to the keeper then as well.  Maybe needs to learn to give the keeper "the eyes" like Jack did when put through.   
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 06, 2020, 04:47:44 AM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)

The last one by a Villa player was Gabby vs Man City.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on October 06, 2020, 06:54:49 AM
I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.

No mention of a Villa-Blitzkrieg?
The headline on our local paper's report was "Aha! Herr Klopp! FŁr Sie, ist der Premierkrieg zu Ende! Hšnde hoch Schweinhund![sic] Gott im Himmel! Achtung: Spitfire!"
Hehe.

Back on topic, I love Ollie Watkins. He's brilliant, seems a constant threat on the pitch and a lovely bloke off it. Struggling to think of a Villa side I'm my lifetime that I've liked as much as this one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tim on October 06, 2020, 09:05:21 AM

Back on topic, I love Ollie Watkins. He's brilliant, seems a constant threat on the pitch and a lovely bloke off it. Struggling to think of a Villa side I'm my lifetime that I've liked as much as this one.

I loved that he was so up for it against Liverpool - really positive, appeared to be enjoying himself and looked really settled already.
And yeah, the team as a whole looks great again. Been a while since that could be said but right now there's quality all over it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Stu on October 15, 2020, 02:02:07 PM
Article by Gregg Evans on Ollie:

Quote
Ollie Watkins: the rise of Ďthe machineí

In Ollie Watkinsí first training session at Aston Villa those around him immediately recognised a player ready for the step up to the Premier League.

His hard, unselfish running was not lost on the defenders who came up against pace and power of a different kind. Captain Jack Grealish was licking his lips with anticipation after watching Watkinsí early movement both in and out of possession, while on the sidelines manager Dean Smith and his long-term assistant, Richard OíKelly, could see a different beast to the one they previously had at Brentford.

ďHe looked like a more mature and confident player right from the start,Ē Smith tells The Athletic. ďHe scored 26 goals last season and he believed he should have scored 36 as well which just shows he is not one who is going to rest on his laurels.Ē

Watkins, who sang Luther Vandrossís Never Too Much as his initiation song, backed up those early impressions in training by getting off to a flying start at Villa. After scoring in a pre-season friendly against Manchester United and then following it up with a goal on his debut against Burton Albion in the Carabao Cup, his perfect hat-trick in the 7-2 win over Liverpool in the last Premier League outing took his early tally to five goals in six games in all competitions.

Little over three weeks after that first training session, there was Watkins, standing under the Villa Park lights clutching onto the match ball for dear life. The chief executive Christian Purslow, the man who negotiated the record-breaking deal to bring him to the club for £28 million rising to a possible £33 million, was wrapping his arms around the striker as a global media scrum gathered.

His first words in reply to one question about his hat-trick was that he ďshould have had five goals rather than threeĒ. There was nothing cocky or arrogant about his tone. He is down to earth. This was an in-form Premier League striker living in the moment.

It wasnít always like this, though.

Ripping into the usually rock-solid defensive pairing of Virgil van Dijk and Joe Gomez and announcing himself on the global stage was the product of years of hard work.

That he recognises his previous times of struggle, and still has a never-ending desire to improve, will also keep him grounded.

In Watkinsí late teenage years at Exeter City, his game was in such a state that he still hadnít nailed down a position of preference or strength. He could play down the middle or out wide, but wasnít making any great gains. Those close to him speak about a defining period that helped shape his future, and also cement an early steeliness in his mindset.

Aged 18, he ditched the comfort of under-21 football at Exeter for a loan spell at Weston-super-Mare AFC, six divisions deep in the league pyramid.

Ryan Northmore, his manager at Weston, told The Times: ďWhen I had him, he had real superpowers, but he was too predictable to play against.Ē

Yet that loan spell, where he scored ten goals in 24 games, was the making of him. He returned to Exeter with a purpose and was rough and ready.  Not only had he shown courage to go and mix it with battled-hardened men, he also had the bumps and bruises to prove that he was up for the fight and worthy of consideration for the first-team.

After scraping onto a pre-season tour to Scotland in 2015 as the 24th man and the final pick, he didnít look back.

Kevin Nicholson, his under-18 coach at Exeter tells The Athletic: ďThe potential was always there for Ollie. However, he needed support, guidance and good coaching from the people at the club at that time to help him on his way to fulfilling that potential. His technical and physical attributes were impressive from day one of working with him but he needed help to improve his general game understanding at that time.

ďCredit should go to Paul Tisdale (manager) and Steve Perryman (director of football) for the work they did with Ollie at Exeter once he became a young professional with the first team.Ē

Tisdale worked tirelessly with Watkins, initially asking him to hustle more when playing in a wide position rather than simply waiting for the ball to come to him.

A slight tweak to his position at the back end of 2015 paid dividends. During his time at centre-forward he scored 25 goals in 74 games, earning him a move to Brentford.

It was here, in the Championship, where he took his game to a new level. None of it was left to chance, though, as one former staff member explained: ďOllie always wanted to know the areas where he could improve. He was a constant learner; always searching for ways he could better himself.Ē

Nicholson echoes such thoughts from his earlier years, adding: ďThrough the ups and downs, he never stopped believing in himself and his ability. He was prepared to work hard and he demanded honesty and feedback. He wanted to know what he was doing well and how he could build on it.Ē

Under Smith and OíKelly in his first season at Brentford, Watkins scored ten league goals and missed just one game. He chalked up another ten strikes in the following season but the majority of the goals came from cutting in from the flank or playing as a supporting striker.

Pre-season training would often make for interesting viewing when Watkins was involved as he consistently topped the charts for speed, stamina, high-intensity sprints and a stack of other metrics.

Brentfordís programme editor, Chris Deacon, tells The Athletic: ďOllie transformed himself into a physical specimen. Weíd call him a machine because it looked like he would set himself into third gear and then cruise along at the front while everyone else was blowing.Ē

Itís his blend of technical and physical attributes that have helped him settle into the Premier League with ease, but the 24-year-oldís sky-high confidence stems back to the start of last season.

It was when Brentfordís recognised No 9 Neal Maupay left for Brighton & Hove Albion that summer that those around Watkins sensed a coming of age. He took on the responsibility of becoming Brentfordís main source of goals and his hard work was rewarded with 26 strikes in return.

Coaching staff remember the early stages of that campaign where he asked for individual sessions to work on his movement and finishing to help him adjust to the change.

Watkins also dedicated time to improving his heading and the rewards could be seen in his performance for Villa against Fulham earlier this season where he dominated the defence.

It will come as a surprise to many that, among Premier League forwards, only Oli McBurnie (22) Andy Carroll (22) Dominic Calvert-Lewin (17) and Chris Wood (16) have won more headers then Watkins (15) this season. Maybe more telling is that, of those strikers, recognised for their aerial dominance, only Carroll (22 won, 10 lost) has a better win-to-lose ratio in headed duels.

Unwittingly, Watkins finds himself once again in a comparison contest with Fulhamís Aleksandar Mitrovic, the man who beat him to the top goalscorer award by a single goal last season, as both players have won and lost 15 headers a piece so far for their respective clubs and are seen as among the best in that particular category.

But such individuals battles are of little relevance to Watkins as one source said: ĒHe had no interest in what Mitrovic was doing last season,  it was more about how he could get the better of the defender he came up against.Ē

Itís that attention to detail before a match day that is maybe giving him an edge.

He studies forthcoming opponents religiously before games and knows exactly the type of defenders he is coming up against. Pre-match analysis is, of course, common across every professional league in the country, but Watkinsí preparation is as detailed and thorough as you can get.

If a defender has slipped up in the past, or made a mistake that could be repeated, Watkins will try to expose that weakness himself. The way he hassles defenders and stretches the backline with his clever and unselfish runs into the channels that create space for his team-mates also helps.

He will also know exactly how the opponents like to play, as well as their strengths and weaknesses, as he asks for additional clips from analysts to aid his preparation.

It was clear that Watkins had done his homework on Liverpool. Immediately after the win he told Sky Sports how the team as a collective targeted their opponentís high line. Deep down, heíd have also planned ways to unsettle Van Dijk and Gomez, although he remained respectful and humble enough to keep it private.

On top of his on-field qualities, thereís a likeable lad who receives glowing references from every club he has been at.

At Exeter his legacy lives on as they still show videos of their academy graduate to young players before training. A £4 million windfall from the deal that took him to Villa has also been well received.

Along with his goals, Brentford miss his cheeky smile, as well as his honesty and generosity as he always helped with charity events. The boy who parked himself in a modest apartment on the River Thames and shirked the lavish lifestyle of London after moving up from Devon will always be welcomed back with open arms.

There was never a change in his behaviour either as five clubs battled for his signature this summer. Watkins never let his standards drop. He was consistently friendly and engaging around the training ground right up until the day he cleared his locker to head up to Birmingham and complete his late-night move.

But itís at Villa where he is progressing now and thereís a belief that the record-signing is very much the real deal.

Watkinsí consistency in front of goal is special. Itís over 18 months since he went longer than three games without scoring a league goal and Smith confidently revealed his thoughts about the man he has now signed twice.

ďI have no doubts he will score goals for us this season and be a very much loved Aston Villa centre-forward,Ē he said.

The players feel the same too, and have noticed how he demands more from them in a measured but encouraging way.

He sets high standards and wants those around him to match up, but thatís nothing new; it has been the case since day one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 15, 2020, 03:37:59 PM
Cheers Stu. Luther Vandross? Bin him.

Seriously, the spell down the pyramid will have done him good and help keep him grounded. Look forward to seeing him play in the flesh.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 15, 2020, 03:38:07 PM
Is it just me or is Gregg Evans showing he actually is a decent journalist now he has left the Meaning?

But the main thing from that is that we seemed to have a hell of a person in Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on October 15, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
Cheers Stu. Luther Vandross? Bin him.

Seriously, the spell down the pyramid will have done him good and help keep him grounded. Look forward to seeing him play in the flesh.

Nooo, that's a top tune to attempt, it puts him even higher in my estimation. I bet he knocked it out of the park as well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 15, 2020, 04:00:22 PM
Prefer if he put it in the metaphorical back of the net though.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: chrisw1 on October 15, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
Is it just me or is Gregg Evans showing he actually is a decent journalist now he has left the Meaning?

But the main thing from that is that we seemed to have a hell of a person in Ollie.
He ok.  Better than a lot of people think and certainly not just a bitter Baggie as he often gets labelled.  With that said I think he gets shown up by other Athletic journalists and I've rarely seen him come out with any detailed insightful commentary on our tactics etc which the likes of TIFO etc and Football 365 produce.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 15, 2020, 08:41:06 PM
Great article.
On the way to being a Villa hero!
UTV!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy65 on October 15, 2020, 08:58:13 PM
Great article.
On the way to being a Villa hero!
UTV!

Just about to say the same thing. He is going to be a total hero at VP. Pace, power, great in the air and still way off his peak. Brilliant
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: KevinGage on October 15, 2020, 09:34:16 PM
Is it just me or is Gregg Evans showing he actually is a decent journalist now he has left the Meaning?

But the main thing from that is that we seemed to have a hell of a person in Ollie.

Not decent, but at least he seems to be getting original interviews now.

Rather than just rehashing whatever comes up in NewsNow and passing it off as his own work.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on October 15, 2020, 09:43:58 PM
Is it just me or is Gregg Evans showing he actually is a decent journalist now he has left the Meaning?

But the main thing from that is that we seemed to have a hell of a person in Ollie.

Not decent, but at least he seems to be getting original interviews now.

Rather than just rehashing whatever comes up in NewsNow and passing it off as his own work.
Its a bit of weird one for me. If I was lucky enough to be a football journalist being a Villa fan I couldn't imagine myself spending my life writing and watching the Albion..
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 15, 2020, 10:00:40 PM
Is it just me or is Gregg Evans showing he actually is a decent journalist now he has left the Meaning?

But the main thing from that is that we seemed to have a hell of a person in Ollie.

Not decent, but at least he seems to be getting original interviews now.

Rather than just rehashing whatever comes up in NewsNow and passing it off as his own work.
Its a bit of weird one for me. If I was lucky enough to be a football journalist being a Villa fan I couldn't imagine myself spending my life writing and watching the Albion..


Yes Ď they are shit Ď end of article 🤔😀
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Clive W on October 16, 2020, 09:25:15 PM
Apologies if itís been posted but a link to a DT article

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/16/ollie-watkins-interview-people-think-jump-championship-premier/

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SaddVillan on October 17, 2020, 12:39:43 PM
Despite Benrhama failing his  medical, West Ham still signed him on loan for £5m and are obliged to make the deal  permanent for £20m, plus £5m possible in add-ons. £30m in total

Villa signed Ollie Watkins for £28m, rising to £33m with possible add-ons.

Wonder who's got the better deal?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on October 17, 2020, 04:01:14 PM
Despite Benrhama failing his  medical, West Ham still signed him on loan for £5m and are obliged to make the deal  permanent for £20m, plus £5m possible in add-ons. £30m in total

Villa signed Ollie Watkins for £28m, rising to £33m with possible add-ons.

Wonder who's got the better deal?

Impossible to say before he's played a single minute for West Ham.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 17, 2020, 04:06:04 PM
I think both are very good players.

But, an out-and-out 15-20 per season goalscorer in the Premier is worth their weight in gold and Watkins certainly seems that he could be that so far albeit on the evidence of the few games we've had.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on October 17, 2020, 05:41:21 PM
Generations of footballers may come and go but their reassuringly ropey taste in music (Luther, Boyz II Men, Phil Collins et. al) shall always remain.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 17, 2020, 06:14:48 PM
Nearly 2 weeks without a goal, i'm not impressed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on October 17, 2020, 07:53:41 PM
Generations of footballers may come and go but their reassuringly ropey taste in music (Luther, Boyz II Men, Phil Collins et. al) shall always remain.

Luther does not belong in that list, a man of awesome talent.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on October 17, 2020, 08:33:42 PM
Generations of footballers may come and go but their reassuringly ropey taste in music (Luther, Boyz II Men, Phil Collins et. al) shall always remain.

Luther does not belong in that list, a man of awesome talent.

Aren't Boyz II Men Motown's best selling act ever?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 17, 2020, 08:35:05 PM
Despite Benrhama failing his  medical, West Ham still signed him on loan for £5m and are obliged to make the deal  permanent for £20m, plus £5m possible in add-ons. £30m in total

Villa signed Ollie Watkins for £28m, rising to £33m with possible add-ons.

Wonder who's got the better deal?

Impossible to say before he's played a single minute for West Ham.

Heíll be great. In fact both of them will be. Loved to have had them both.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on October 17, 2020, 11:19:58 PM
Generations of footballers may come and go but their reassuringly ropey taste in music (Luther, Boyz II Men, Phil Collins et. al) shall always remain.

Luther does not belong in that list, a man of awesome talent.

You're right. Love that old footage of Bowie trying out his plastic soul Young Americans era material with Vandross as a backing singer. Think he might have got a writing credit on that album too actually.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: CT on October 19, 2020, 08:04:36 PM
Thought Ollie battled well last night.

Was still getting in good positions despite it being a fairly quiet night overall.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on October 19, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
I agree CT.  He has a knack if pulling centre backs out of position and creating space for Jack and Barkley to move into.  Very smart forward.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2020, 09:59:51 AM
Great article here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54631445
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: olaftab on October 23, 2020, 10:27:58 AM
Thank you. Agree very good piece.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 23, 2020, 11:21:14 AM
Excellent article, thanks
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on October 23, 2020, 06:07:39 PM
Great read thanks for posting Mr Drummond.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 05:06:44 PM
This was discussed in the match thread, but I think Ollie, like Wesley before him, is ending up being too isolated. The team needs to be better at providing support. Heís got plenty of ability, but he needs the team to produce more.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 05:07:51 PM
This was discussed in the match thread, but I think Ollie, like Wesley before him, is ending up being too isolated. The team needs to be better at providing support. Heís got plenty of ability, but he needs the team to produce more.

It's another symptom of this awful two number eights formation. They aren't providing cover for Luiz not support for Watkins.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
He's full of effort and running, but he looks completely lost.  Not surprising really when Traore/Trez plus Barkley and McGinn are so anonymous, but he looks like a little lad playing in the big league.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2020, 05:33:24 PM
Stupid to play him so isolated.He must be tearing his hair out
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2020, 05:38:28 PM
I was thinking that we should have bought both him and Callum Wilson, in order to get the best out of him and reduce the pressure on him. Wilson loves dropping deep for the ball, creating space for a second striker i.e. Watkins. Maybe that is what they're hoping will happen when Wes returns.

Perhaps they should try Davis and Watkins together, with JG dropping inside and Barkley taking a turn on the bench.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 05:45:09 PM
Need to take something out of the second half I think, he drifted wider and started to get more involved. He did that at Brentford so it's something I'd like to see for half a game at least with Davis on.

I wanted Wilson and his start at Newcastle dosen't surprise me. Karlan Grant is another I'd have looked at. He took his goal for WBA well the other day.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 05:56:15 PM
We've done this to Wesley, Samatta and now Watkins. We have stop stupidly fucking belting it long from the back. That does my head in. And we have to play far more compactly. But it starts with launching it long which means the team can never start with a structured shape.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: chrisw1 on November 03, 2020, 09:14:30 AM
Panic over.  I was messing about with my fantasy team yesterday and accidentaly sold him (I'd been playing with some options and didn't realise I hadn't put him back when I made my transfers) so he's a cert for a hot scoring streak.  You can thank me later.

Martinez has shipped 7 goals since I bought him.  Sorry about that, no transfers left.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2020, 09:54:40 AM
We've done this to Wesley, Samatta and now Watkins. We have stop stupidly fucking belting it long from the back. That does my head in. And we have to play far more compactly. But it starts with launching it long which means the team can never start with a structured shape.

Yep, pisses me off too.  As soon as we have any sort of set back like going a goal behind, rather than sticking to our game plan, the likes of Mings gets a glazed look in his eyes, and starts hoofing it 50 yards to nobody in particular, rather than utilising the skills of McGinn, Luiz and Barkley etc.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 08, 2020, 09:09:06 PM
Superb performance tonight. Goals aside, I thought he led the line brilliantly.
And 6 in 7 😀
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: nigel on November 08, 2020, 09:10:41 PM
Looking a steal at £30m
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: curiousorange on November 08, 2020, 09:13:15 PM
Now this lad's a proper forward.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2020, 09:15:59 PM
Panic over.  I was messing about with my fantasy team yesterday and accidentaly sold him (I'd been playing with some options and didn't realise I hadn't put him back when I made my transfers) so he's a cert for a hot scoring streak.  You can thank me later.

Youíre welcome.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2020, 09:16:37 PM
Even before the goals, ran their defence to bits. Wide, deep, forward, they didnt know what to do.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Damo70 on November 08, 2020, 09:28:31 PM
Ollie admitted he was delighted to score at the Emirates because he is an Arsenal fan.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on November 08, 2020, 09:30:01 PM
Iím glad Risso isnít in charge, he was ready to haul him off right before his brace! ;)

Well done Ollie, took the goals superbly.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: The Edge on November 08, 2020, 09:33:47 PM
Fabulous lone striker performance from Ollie tonight. Absolutely thrilled to bits for the lad.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:34:33 PM
He's a brilliant forward I'm so glad we've got him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rougegorge on November 08, 2020, 09:35:36 PM
Iím glad Risso isnít in charge, he was ready to haul him off right before his brace! ;)

Well done Ollie, took the goals superbly.
He may go quiet for spells but he's new to this level, and he's got an eye for a goal and getting in good positions. I just hope he doesn't get injured as we don't have anyone comparable to bring on anyway.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:37:21 PM
He's took to the Premier League like a duck to water.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: The Charmer on November 08, 2020, 09:41:45 PM
I appreciate that we all see things differently, but I'm amazed that only 7 games in and some people question his ability / performance / contribution.

With a full season in the Premier League under his belt to build-up his experience and nous, we will have the striker we have longed for.

Love and cherish this boy.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 08, 2020, 09:42:24 PM
Proper Centre Forward display. Won loads of battles, good in the air, 2 great goals. Well done Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Deano's Mullet on November 08, 2020, 09:42:43 PM
Eight goals already, six in the league.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:43:40 PM
I appreciate that we all see things differently, but I'm amazed that only 7 games in and some people question his ability / performance / contribution.

With a full season in the Premier League under his belt to build-up his experience and nous, we will have the striker we have longed for.

Love and cherish this boy.



I totally agree with you.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:45:03 PM
Eight goals already, six in the league.

Exactly he's been brilliant for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2020, 09:50:18 PM
Iím glad Risso isnít in charge, he was ready to haul him off right before his brace! ;)

Well done Ollie, took the goals superbly.
He may go quiet for spells but he's new to this level, and he's got an eye for a goal and getting in good positions. I just hope he doesn't get injured as we don't have anyone comparable to bring on anyway.

Fair enough, but I maintain he was miles off first half.  A stat flashed up that he'd only touched the ball 8 times, and he must have given it away cheaply for 4 or 5 of those.

Brilliant after that, obvs!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on November 08, 2020, 09:50:19 PM
His goals were typical of the kind of goals he was scoring for Brentford - proper centre forward goals. Really happy to see him score goals like that because that's his game and it should be a sign of things to come.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2020, 09:50:21 PM
Iím glad Risso isnít in charge, he was ready to haul him off right before his brace! ;)

Well done Ollie, took the goals superbly.

To be fair to Risso...I thought Watkins touch was a bit ropey at times until the scoring burst late on. But physically he is well able for it, that Gabriel is a mountain of a man but Watkins gave him nothing easy. Two proper forward goals too. Such an uplift in quality from Wesley/Samatta/Davis and much more to come
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian J on November 08, 2020, 09:59:00 PM
Iím glad Risso isnít in charge, he was ready to haul him off right before his brace! ;)

Well done Ollie, took the goals superbly.
He may go quiet for spells but he's new to this level, and he's got an eye for a goal and getting in good positions. I just hope he doesn't get injured as we don't have anyone comparable to bring on anyway.

Fair enough, but I maintain he was miles off first half.  A stat flashed up that he'd only touched the ball 8 times, and he must have given it away cheaply for 4 or 5 of those.

Brilliant after that, obvs!
I think it was your timing Risso, it was right on queue for his first!

His hold up play was very good I thought, but you were right in saying he was loose with his passing a few times.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2020, 09:59:52 PM
Love both goals. The first is all about strikerís instinct, after brilliance from Douglas and Barkley. The second is great movement and a great finish.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2020, 10:01:29 PM
The first thing I saw as my Scorchio posted was Risso's comment posted 20 seconds earlier. It happens and is funny, and has happened to all of us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave shelley on November 08, 2020, 10:36:11 PM
As I posted in the post match thread, Ollie Watkins is going to be some player for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 08, 2020, 11:02:29 PM
As I posted in the post match thread, Ollie Watkins is some player for us.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Hillbilly on November 08, 2020, 11:07:53 PM
Reminds me a bit of Ian Wright. A bit of nuisance for defenders and knows how to nip in in front of defenders.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: curiousorange on November 08, 2020, 11:18:08 PM
He seems very realistic about his performances in his post match interviews. Kicked himself for not getting more against the Scousers, and recognising he only had two chances tonight. That attitude is going to take him to the top.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: usav on November 08, 2020, 11:55:51 PM
How many of those bullet headers from a couple of yards out does he have now?  I know itís more about the cross, but love thatís heís in there and not afraid to put his head where it hurts.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: VillaSpen on November 09, 2020, 04:32:14 AM
When he misses chances he just doesn't seem to let it bother him at all. We've had our share of strikers for whom the opposite was the case.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rooboy316 on November 09, 2020, 05:14:11 AM
He really grew into the game and showed some lovely control with his back to the goal in the second half. Made the ball stick a few times, which helped no end.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Axl Rose on November 09, 2020, 05:51:26 AM
He's a really good player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on November 09, 2020, 08:13:57 AM
I absolutely love Ollie Watkins, he's brilliant player, great attitude, and comes across as a good bloke off the pitch. He'll be wearing an England shirt come the end of the season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 09, 2020, 09:12:20 AM
The first thing I saw as my Scorchio posted was Risso's comment posted 20 seconds earlier. It happens and is funny, and has happened to all of us.

Yeah keep up the good work mate
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: The Edge on November 09, 2020, 09:29:40 AM
Love both goals. The first is all about strikerís instinct, after brilliance from Douglas and Barkley. The second is great movement and a great finish.
His second goal had me jumping in the air! Lightning quick throw out from Martinez a run from Jack that was him at his best,he glides across the pitch with the ball under tight control, and just before he laid it off an Arsenal player literally bounced off him. Then Ollie just hammered it home. The Arsenal players just looked at each other with a distinct air of "what the fuck just happened"
Marvellous, wonderful, joyous moment in my (long) history of watching the Villa.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave shelley on November 09, 2020, 10:33:30 AM
I've been fortunate enough to see some glorious centre-forwards/strikers play for the Villa in my time and this lad has all the attributes to be right up there with them if he maintains this level of progress.  I'm trying not to get too carried away but it's difficult.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 09, 2020, 10:44:23 AM
Agree dave,  that 2nd goal was so Andy Grayesque. When was the last time we had someone who could get themselves in that position and throw themselves at the ball?  Not since Andy Gray I think.  Little wonder that Shearer was so gushing about us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave shelley on November 09, 2020, 10:53:50 AM
How's the leg Brend'?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2020, 10:56:56 AM
Strikers often have quiet periods in games, the key is that they are there when it matters and their instinct, training and practice kicks in.

This lad does the training and work and just has the instinct. And he's only 24.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 09, 2020, 11:01:03 AM
How's the leg Brend'?

Still in pain but improving day on day.  The drugs do work thankfully.  Funnily enough for 90 minutes yesterday evening I forgot all about it.  Thanks to the Villa.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2020, 11:56:00 AM
Love both goals. The first is all about strikerís instinct, after brilliance from Douglas and Barkley. The second is great movement and a great finish.
His second goal had me jumping in the air! Lightning quick throw out from Martinez a run from Jack that was him at his best,he glides across the pitch with the ball under tight control, and just before he laid it off an Arsenal player literally bounced off him. Then Ollie just hammered it home. The Arsenal players just looked at each other with a distinct air of "what the fuck just happened"
Marvellous, wonderful, joyous moment in my (long) history of watching the Villa.

I think that's one of the best goals we've ever scored.  Brilliant reading of the game from Martinez, before some of the best play from Grealish that encapsulated everything that is good about him.  Superb finish from Ollie, I can't stop watching it this morning.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on November 09, 2020, 12:48:30 PM
The 3rd goal was pure porn but his header was the one I liked, he's scored 5 goals from those type of positions already (3 almost identical headers). You just know he's going to be in and around there, I cant remember the last striker we had that was like this.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: stevo_st on November 09, 2020, 12:54:19 PM
Carew?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 01:14:45 PM
The 3rd goal was pure porn but his header was the one I liked, he's scored 5 goals from those type of positions already (3 almost identical headers). You just know he's going to be in and around there, I cant remember the last striker we had that was like this.

What's helped is that he likes flatter crosses, which means we don't need to be picking him out, just hitting the right line between the keeper and defenders. Even the first goal showed that it's something we've clearly worked on. It's much harder to defend than 'normal' crosses trying to pick out a man.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
We've gone from somebody quite slow and who can't head the ball at all in Wesley, to somebody really quick who is also great in the air in Watkins.  It's an absolutely huge upgrade in all areas of the game.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on November 09, 2020, 02:09:30 PM
The 3rd goal was pure porn but his header was the one I liked, he's scored 5 goals from those type of positions already (3 almost identical headers). You just know he's going to be in and around there, I cant remember the last striker we had that was like this.

He's like a Darren Bent who can play football
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2020, 01:08:17 PM
We've gone from somebody quite slow and who can't head the ball at all in Wesley, to somebody really quick who is also great in the air in Watkins.  It's an absolutely huge upgrade in all areas of the game.

We have. What we donít know is how Wes would have developed like others we bought potentially how much better heíd be this season had he not been injured. That said you canít teach pace. Wes had decent movement but he couldnít head a ball which is bizarre for a big centre forward. Maybe that would have improved also. But our ability now to hit teams on the counter is the best since MON when had Gabby, Ash, Carew being fed by the likes of Milner, Stan and Barry.
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