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Title: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 08, 2020, 03:25:58 PM
Seems safe to start this. Being reported in a number of places now that the deal £28m rising to £33m seems steep but thatís the good rate I suppose.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 08, 2020, 03:27:14 PM
Big price, best of luck if you join Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 08, 2020, 03:35:58 PM
good strikers cost a lot of money

a lot of bad ones do too
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 08, 2020, 03:39:33 PM
Did they throw in Benrahma for that fee too?

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Mister E on September 08, 2020, 03:41:13 PM
I'm delighted and think he'll do us proud. We now need an additional striker / winger and a CMF (L-Cheek, please!).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: gpbarr on September 08, 2020, 03:42:11 PM
Crazy money. He will get my 100% support but I sure hope this ends better than our recent history of buying overly expensive strikers from the Championship - Hogan, McCormack, Gestede, Kodija ......
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: darren woolley on September 08, 2020, 03:43:48 PM
Looking forward to seeing him play for us I think he will do well he's young and hungry and will want to prove himself in the top flight.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 08, 2020, 03:48:50 PM
Crazy money. He will get my 100% support but I sure hope this ends better than our recent history of buying overly expensive strikers from the Championship - Hogan, McCormack, Gestede, Kodija ......

Bit harsh on Kod he did perfectly well for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 08, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
Crazy money. He will get my 100% support but I sure hope this ends better than our recent history of buying overly expensive strikers from the Championship - Hogan, McCormack, Gestede, Kodija ......

Kodija despite injuries did alright. And Gestede was cheap, and we at least got the transfer fee back.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: DrGonzo on September 08, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
I'm happy about this.  Cover til Wesley gets fit and some competition in different positions.  I've got a reverse Han Solo about this one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: mr underhill on September 08, 2020, 03:54:57 PM
Watching Kodjia in his first season was almost as good as watching Benteke in his. Kodjia would have  been one of our better forward investments in recent years were it not for those ankle injuries. Ollie is clearly a player Dean covets so let's all get behind it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Risso on September 08, 2020, 03:57:48 PM
Crazy money. He will get my 100% support but I sure hope this ends better than our recent history of buying overly expensive strikers from the Championship - Hogan, McCormack, Gestede, Kodija ......

Bit harsh on Kod he did perfectly well for us.

Agreed, Kodjia certainly doesn't deserve to be spoken about in the same breath as those others.

This seems like an expensive acquisition, but one we're crying out for, so good luck Ollie, assuming it happens.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sickbeggar on September 08, 2020, 03:58:36 PM
Best of luck if he joins. Looks like the archetypal british goal-hanger who does fuck-all for 85 minutes and  scores two. This is a good thing. Smith has bet the house to back his judgement, so lets hope its not another fine mess he's got us into. One for the kids there...Ö..
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Dave on September 08, 2020, 04:00:29 PM
Even if he bombs (and by extension we do too), you'd think he's shown enough in the Championship that he'd be fine to get 25 goals to help get us back up or half his fee back from someone else.

Seems a bit lazy (our transfer policy, not him as a player), but he's the sort of player who will probably get the 12 or so goals that we were lacking from a striker last year and should make things a bit more comfortable than last time.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sickbeggar on September 08, 2020, 04:04:13 PM
Even if he bombs (and by extension we do too), you'd think he's shown enough in the Championship that he'd be fine to get 25 goals to help get us back up or half his fee back from someone else.

Seems a bit lazy, but he's the sort of player who will probably get the 12 or so goals that we were lacking from a striker last year and should make things a bit more comfortable than last time.
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yeah, a lot of my concern is not that we've bought a lemon, but whether he will find his feet straight away.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: LeeB on September 08, 2020, 04:08:31 PM
Even if he bombs (and by extension we do too), you'd think he's shown enough in the Championship that he'd be fine to get 25 goals to help get us back up or half his fee back from someone else.

Seems a bit lazy, but he's the sort of player who will probably get the 12 or so goals that we were lacking from a striker last year and should make things a bit more comfortable than last time.
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yeah, a lot of my concern is not that we've bought a lemon, but whether he will find his feet straight away.

I know it's a step up and all, but I'd be more confident of this lad starting well as he is 'running hot' and will carry his form into the new season, much like Tammy did with Chelsea.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: tim on September 08, 2020, 04:11:14 PM
That price is extreme.
Big risk/gamble at £33m, but sometimes these things pay off. Let's hope. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: KevinGage on September 08, 2020, 04:14:02 PM
First really noticed him in the 2-2 draw in Bruce's final season.

He wasn't playing directly up top that day but had good touch, strength and an edge to his game without being a twat like Maupay.

Came across really well in his post match interview as well. Not a reason to sign him on its own, admittedly. But sounds like he's not short of grey matter and thinks about his game.

Sign all the intelligent players.  Will make a refreshing change compared to some of the dopey individuals we've had over the years.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ozzjim on September 08, 2020, 04:17:02 PM
He looks good enough to grow as we do and improve as we do. If he gets 10-12 goals next season and we finish 15th ish, he will have done his job and we can then start to improve other areas of the squad enough to get him more support.

If we get the right players in around him, another quality winger, striker and central midfielder, then I think he will be very, very decent.

Outside bet to be knocking Wilson out of the England reckoning next summer would be nice.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Risso on September 08, 2020, 04:18:13 PM
He at least looks equally good up front or playing wider, which will give him an immediate advantage over Wesley.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Arsey on September 08, 2020, 04:24:04 PM
Just hope he is better than the last striker we bought from them
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: john e on September 08, 2020, 04:29:54 PM
33 million  pffft

mere bagatelle for our owners
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: fbriai on September 08, 2020, 04:31:01 PM
Can play across the front three, he's quick, scores with both feet and with his head, from in and outside the box, gets into good positions.

He has all the attributes. Think he'll turn out to be a fine signing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: malckennedy on September 08, 2020, 04:37:40 PM
Is it true that Mourinho was sniffing around?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Shrek on September 08, 2020, 04:38:07 PM
Is Watkins the highest scorer ever in the championship from open play?

Iíd be confident he is, because the only people to score more are likes of Mitrovic, Murray, McCormack, who all take pens donít they?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: frank black on September 08, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
Is it true that Mourinho was sniffing around?

Probably not, but the Rumour did the trick for Brentford.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: eamonn on September 08, 2020, 04:47:16 PM
Can he play as a winger too ?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Mister E on September 08, 2020, 04:47:56 PM
That price is extreme.
Big risk/gamble at £33m, but sometimes these things pay off. Let's hope. 
If we pay £33m, it means the risk paid off, triggering the add-ons.
At £28m, he's less than Leeds have paid for a 1-in-4 striker.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: KevinGage on September 08, 2020, 04:51:24 PM
Can he play as a winger too ?

More a wide forward in a three,

Similar to how Grabban could switch it up.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: john e on September 08, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
Can he play as a winger too ?

Weíve basically got 2 for the price of 1

absolute top notch negotiating skills
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 08, 2020, 05:03:38 PM
Is it true that Mourinho was sniffing around?

I don't think it'd got that far, but some rent-a-quotes had suggested that he could do worse than Watkins in his striker search. Some reports said he was in for Wilson.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: danno on September 08, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
Does he take penalties?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 08, 2020, 05:04:28 PM
ITSOTP?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 08, 2020, 05:05:00 PM
Brentford have seen us coming here.  The problem is we're desperate and couldn't risk waiting much longer and they knew it.  I doubt they would have got more than £20m off anybody else this window.

But needs must.  When we have a strong balanced squad we can pick and chose players to suplement the team and play the waiting game if needed.  We just weren't in a position to do that this time. 

I don't think I like Brentford anymore and hope this is the last time we do business with them for a good while.   

But welcome Ollie, it was one of the signings I was hoping for and hopefully he'll be great.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 08, 2020, 05:11:20 PM
He at least looks equally good up front or playing wider, which will give him an immediate advantage over Wesley.
He at least looks good which will give him an immediate advantage over Wesley.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: JJ-AV on September 08, 2020, 05:13:01 PM
Welcome aboard. I'm happy, looked good when I've seen him.

Re. the fee, we were desperate, have lots of money and haven't had long to prepare, it's a recipe for disaster. But Smith's got his man and now we've got a forward in we can afford to play the long game for the next one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 08, 2020, 05:17:39 PM
Just to be clear heís not aboard yet.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 08, 2020, 05:20:10 PM
Just to be clear heís not aboard yet.
good point - this is Aston Villa we're talking about...

Juninho.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: danno on September 08, 2020, 05:22:06 PM
On balance I'd probably prefer us overpaying for option A, than lashing out £20 million on option C or D.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Ads on September 08, 2020, 05:24:58 PM
Very happy when this is done. Big, quick, plays across the front 3, scores lots of different types of goals. Could careless about the fee.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SaddVillan on September 08, 2020, 05:28:53 PM
Hoping that the deal for Watkins goes through tomorrow.

No doubt some will complain about the price and £28m might seem high.

But:

Tammy Abraham scored 26 goals in 40 games for us when we got promoted. How much would we have been prepared to pay for him last summer if he'd been available - £25m, £30m?

Watkins scored 26 in 50 for Brentford. So you might think  that Abraham has a better goals per game record.

However:
Abraham got 6 pens, so 20 in 40 from open play. An average of 1 in 2
Watkins no pens at all. 26 from 50 in open play  - just over 1 in 2, marginally better than Tammy.

£28m seems reasonable.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Clampy on September 08, 2020, 05:32:27 PM
Hoping that the deal for Watkins goes through tomorrow.

No doubt some will complain about the price and £28m might seem high.

But:

Tammy Abraham scored 26 goals in 40 games for us when we got promoted. How much would we have been prepared to pay for him last summer if he'd been available - £25m, £30m?

Watkins scored 26 in 50 for Brentford. So you might think  that Abraham has a better goals per game record.

However:
Abraham got 6 pens, so 20 in 40 from open play. An average of 1 in 2
Watkins no pens at all. 26 from 50 in open play  - just over 1 in 2, marginally better than Tammy.

£28m seems reasonable.

The slight difference is, Tammy scored 25 the season before for Brizzle City and played in the Prem for Swansea. We did need a striker but I can understand the sharp intake of breath over the fee.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 08, 2020, 05:36:19 PM
if this bloke was plan A then I'm pleased.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: andyh on September 08, 2020, 05:36:53 PM
I canít say Iíve seen much of him, but his performance against Swansea in their play off semi final was brilliant.
I wonít mention the final though.

The fee is the fee, there is no point us getting wound up about it.

Iím sure heíll be miles better than all the forwards we have bought since Benteke.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: brontebilly on September 08, 2020, 05:39:37 PM
I canít say Iíve seen much of him, but his performance against Swansea in their play off semi final was brilliant.
I wonít mention the final though.

The fee is the fee, there is no point us getting wound up about it.

Iím sure heíll be miles better than all the forwards we have bought since Benteke.

As long as he settles quickly, there is going to be huge pressure on him but maybe no crowds will help. Watkins has huge potential as identifed by a poster on here a few years back, who was it ??

I had absolutely no faith in Wesley or Samatta ever being the answer so fingers crossed for Watkins.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: malckennedy on September 08, 2020, 05:43:43 PM
Very happy when this is done. Big, quick, plays across the front 3, scores lots of different types of goals. Could careless about the fee.

Agree with this. Not sure why so many people think we need to scrimp and save. If we need him and he's good, the price is for others to worry about - we can just enjoy the goals he'll score.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Big Ming on September 08, 2020, 05:46:17 PM
We must be single-handedly paying for Brentford's new stadium.

Still, assuming this goes through I will not be complaining. We need someone with a sniffers instincts (cue Kenneth Williams gif).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 08, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
Very happy when this is done. Big, quick, plays across the front 3, scores lots of different types of goals. Could careless about the fee.

Agree with this. Not sure why so many people think we need to scrimp and save. If we need him and he's good, the price is for others to worry about - we can just enjoy the goals he'll score.
not buying a striker will cost us a couple of hundred million pounds in relegation
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Clampy on September 08, 2020, 05:48:38 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: villa for life on September 08, 2020, 05:49:54 PM
I feel Watkins at this price is a better deal than C. Wilson at 20 mill just as long as we are prepared to play the long game and not expect him to score in every single game.

Dare I say it, I think heís a better deal than Tammy whoíd cost more. Still unconvinced Tammy will ever be a prolific premiership player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Villafirst on September 08, 2020, 05:59:31 PM
Cheap considering fees for strikers in this League. Havertz to Chelsea for £85m? Haller a flop to West Ham at £45m? Joelinton a flop to Newcastle at £40m? I think Ollie will do well for us. He is young, has pace, can hold the ball up and a decent scoring rate.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 08, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
We must be single-handedly paying for Brentford's new stadium.

Still, assuming this goes through I will not be complaining. We need someone with a sniffers instincts (cue Kenneth Williams gif).

Exeter can't have done badly out of us this summer either considering the deal for one of their kids and the sell-on fee for Watkins.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: OCD on September 08, 2020, 06:04:11 PM
If he does well and goes on to play for England, his fee will at least double. It seems a lot initially but that's the market. Wolves just paid £35m for an unknown, inexperienced 19 year old.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 08, 2020, 06:07:44 PM
I've followed his career with interest since he was a youngster at Exeter, and thought we could have done much worse than to have signed him when Brentford did.  He has progressed really well, and looks to have a great attitude, on and off the pitch.  My only reservation is that he performed badly when it really mattered in Brentford's last two league games of the season (when promotion was so much in their grasp), and then in the play-offs.  That aside, this is a signing that I don't think that we could have afforded to not make, and I'm very pleased with this.  I think he'll do well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 08, 2020, 06:12:06 PM
I feel Watkins at this price is a better deal than C. Wilson at 20 mill

Yes, I agree - given the choice of Watkins at this price of Wilson, with his multiple injury problems, at 20, I'd go for Watkins.

Wilson is going to be 33 at the end of that 5 year deal they have given him, too.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 08, 2020, 06:12:13 PM
He at least looks equally good up front or playing wider, which will give him an immediate advantage over Wesley.

In fairness Wesley is equally good in any position, makes just as crap a winger / goalkeeper as he does a striker.

He looks a far better player, and had scored more goals in a better league than Wesley had when we signed him.

Plenty of players step up well from the Championship and plenty fail. Let's hope he is a big hit. Whatever happens I can't fault the club for backing the manager.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: villa for life on September 08, 2020, 06:22:31 PM
I think they are backing Smith as some of the transfers he pushed for in previous years, whether at Villa or Brentford, seem to have come off. We canít be sure which were his signings and which were Susoís but Iím guessing the ones Smith advocated have proven a little more successful.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 08, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
I feel Watkins at this price is a better deal than C. Wilson at 20 mill

Yes, I agree - given the choice of Watkins at this price of Wilson, with his multiple injury problems, at 20, I'd go for Watkins.

Wilson is going to be 33 at the end of that 5 year deal they have given him, too.
completely agree.
The 2 players we have bought in add pace which has been desperately lacking.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: olaftab on September 08, 2020, 06:46:49 PM
I like this boy and agree that he is a much better  buy at £28M than Nowandthen Wilson at £20M.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: CT on September 08, 2020, 06:47:44 PM
I like this boy and agree that he is a much better  buy at £28M than Nowandthen Wilson at £20M.

Absolutely 100% this.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: mcgrath_85 on September 08, 2020, 06:50:25 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: LeeB on September 08, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.

No need for that, is there?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Clampy on September 08, 2020, 06:56:46 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.

Nice.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Ian. on September 08, 2020, 06:57:05 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.
Whatís the point of that? Clampy does have a point, one thing is for certain our owners are not scared to back the manager and they have certainly spent a huge amount of money since they saved us from disaster.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 08, 2020, 06:57:23 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.



Bit flirty 😳
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: brian green on September 08, 2020, 06:59:04 PM
Followed him since Exeter.   Bloody good player.  He will do well for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Villafirst on September 08, 2020, 07:05:14 PM
Followed him since Exeter.   Bloody good player.  He will do well for us.

Agree, he has all the attributes
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Clampy on September 08, 2020, 07:12:54 PM
Followed him since Exeter.   Bloody good player.  He will do well for us.

Brian did mention him a few times whenever he scored and I did give him a little bit of stick over it but fair play, it was a good spot, well hopefully it will be. Fair play Brian.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: brian green on September 08, 2020, 07:19:38 PM
Thank you Clampy. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 08, 2020, 07:34:41 PM
Heís got real pace.
Something weíve missed for a long time.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Drummond on September 08, 2020, 07:37:38 PM
Always nice signing a striker. The anticipation, hoping they'll be another hero of the Holte..
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Steve67 on September 08, 2020, 07:44:26 PM
Sign up fella.  Bring your mate with you.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PeterWithe on September 08, 2020, 07:46:31 PM
Glad weíve backed Deans judgement, fee seems far too high.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: themossman on September 08, 2020, 07:54:02 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
Get out of my dreams and into my bed.



Bit flirty 😳

😲
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 08, 2020, 07:54:19 PM
Cheap considering fees for strikers in this League. Havertz to Chelsea for £85m? Haller a flop to West Ham at £45m? Joelinton a flop to Newcastle at £40m? I think Ollie will do well for us. He is young, has pace, can hold the ball up and a decent scoring rate.


When you look at them this guy could be a bargain
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 08, 2020, 07:56:36 PM
Cheap considering fees for strikers in this League. Havertz to Chelsea for £85m? Haller a flop to West Ham at £45m? Joelinton a flop to Newcastle at £40m? I think Ollie will do well for us. He is young, has pace, can hold the ball up and a decent scoring rate.


When you look at them this guy could be a bargain

Yeah the JoeLinton fee was insanely poor value.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 08, 2020, 08:02:21 PM
Sod the money, thatís the way of the premier league world now, obscene but there you go. Iím really pleased, be happy enough if we could get josh king in as well to support the kid. Things looking up to me
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 08, 2020, 08:10:29 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.

Ouch! Are you responsible for said claims perchance?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: rougegorge on September 08, 2020, 08:19:07 PM
A lot of money, but if we can push the boat out, get Benrahma in as well as he was the top player in the Championship and combined so often with Watkins.

Watkins will certainly need a better supply than our current wide players provide, assuming that Smith sticks with his usual formation.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 08, 2020, 08:45:34 PM
I like this boy and agree that he is a much better  buy at £28M than Nowandthen Wilson at £20M.

That was my thought too. Expensive but hopefully in year we'll look back on it as a bargain.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ROBBO on September 08, 2020, 09:09:23 PM
We scraped through last season so top established players are out of the question, this lad is a gamble at the price but much prefer him to Wilson who has two dodgy knees. Villa have to support him with pace on the wings which we don't have at the moment.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 08, 2020, 09:28:43 PM
Really don't get our strategy sometimes. We've waited weeks seemingly low balling Brentford with bids and now we're signing him for potentially 10m more than most of us predicted (if he does as well as we all hope some of the add ons will be met).

Also with the fee I get the feeling he's our starting striker this year so huge pressure on him to hit the ground running as we need a striker with that sort of price tag to get more than 4 or 5 goals.

Hope he's up to it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: OCD on September 08, 2020, 09:43:41 PM
Really don't get our strategy sometimes. We've waited weeks seemingly low balling Brentford with bids and now we're signing him for potentially 10m more than most of us predicted (if he does as well as we all hope some of the add ons will be met).

Also with the fee I get the feeling he's our starting striker this year so huge pressure on him to hit the ground running as we need a striker with that sort of price tag to get more than 4 or 5 goals.

Hope he's up to it.

We don't know what Brentford's original asking price was at the end of the season. It explains why it's taken so long to do the deal though. Some of the price is because Exeter have a sell-on clause.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 09:44:51 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.
I wish it would put you to bed.

No need for that, is there?

No. Please be civil.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: olaftab on September 08, 2020, 09:45:43 PM
Medical tomorrow morning at BMH scheduled and hopefully followed by a shirt stretch.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Shrek on September 08, 2020, 10:21:36 PM
A lot of money, but if we can push the boat out, get Benrahma in as well as he was the top player in the Championship and combined so often with Watkins.

Watkins will certainly need a better supply than our current wide players provide, assuming that Smith sticks with his usual formation.

After watching his goals from last season, nearly every one comes from wide areas, we defo need to improve our wide to get the best from him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 08, 2020, 10:36:25 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Rory on September 08, 2020, 10:39:31 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PeterWithe on September 08, 2020, 10:41:13 PM
A lot of money, but if we can push the boat out, get Benrahma in as well as he was the top player in the Championship and combined so often with Watkins.

Watkins will certainly need a better supply than our current wide players provide, assuming that Smith sticks with his usual formation.

After watching his goals from last season, nearly every one comes from wide areas, we defo need to improve our wide to get the best from him.

Sounds a bit like Hogans video, Iím sure weíve learned.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: enigma on September 08, 2020, 10:50:29 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: LeeB on September 08, 2020, 10:57:10 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.

Yes, but it's someone else's job to worry about that. I didn't fall in love with football dreaming that one day I could balance the clubs wages to income ratio.

I just want to see centre forwards battering in goals.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Rory on September 08, 2020, 10:58:55 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.

None of us know the extent to which this fee impacts on our budget for future signings.

Those in charge of signings have made this decision and I think it looks decent value. If you disagree, that's perfectly fine, you may well turn out to be right. But we aren't just going to be able to sign every player we might want for the fees we want.

Ultimately, I think we needed this signing, and clearly we wanted Watkins. I'd rather we sign the players we really want, even if it means paying slightly over the odds, than settle.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 08, 2020, 11:04:19 PM
I suppose it puts those penny pinching claims to bed.

I still think thereís enough to get in a winger and hopefully a midfielder too. And if we get Martinez that will be the thick end of £100m net spend. I would like a fast left back too and sell off Taylor.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 08, 2020, 11:22:05 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Vast majority of our signings have been overpriced in last 10 years, probably even stretching back to MON years although that was more insane wages for 3m signings like Habib Beye.

It can impact on club long term and set us back seasons with FFP, we still can't get rid of Scott Hogan after all and McCormack drained wages off us for the full 4 years.

I don't think Watkins will be like either of those two thankfully. However if his goal output massively reduces at premier league level then we won't have too many clubs queueing up to pay 20m for him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 08, 2020, 11:25:21 PM
Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.
It's a perfectly valid opinion, which as it goes seems be shared by quite a few.  It's not as if we got utterly bummed but Brentford got a good deal out of us.  There's not much wrong with pointing that out is there?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: paul_e on September 08, 2020, 11:27:04 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

because we're 2 years on from having to sell the addons from transfers to pay the electric bill. Kinda makes finances feel important.

That said I'm more bothered by the wage bill than the transfer fees, that's why I'd rather spend a decent wedge on younger players than give a final big contract to older ones. Wages are far more of a money pit than transfer fees.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Monty on September 08, 2020, 11:27:49 PM
Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.
It's a perfectly valid opinion, which as it goes seems be shared by quite a few.  It's not as if we got utterly bummed but Brentford got a good deal out of us.  There's not much wrong with pointing that out is there?

Indeed not, they really have got good money from us for what is essentially a gamble. But hopefully it'll prove a gamble that makes it look a good deal all round in the end.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 08, 2020, 11:30:13 PM
Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.
It's a perfectly valid opinion, which as it goes seems be shared by quite a few.  It's not as if we got utterly bummed but Brentford got a good deal out of us.  There's not much wrong with pointing that out is there?

Well put it this way we've paid nearly 50m for Matty Cash and Ollie. Have they got the quality to push us up from 17th to 12th or even 10th? We'll soon see but players costing that much need to have potential to be top half players for us not just move us up a place.

Saw a few saying he'd be good for us if we get relegated, surely got to get past that mentality for new signings, I could fully understand that last summer but we need to kick on now towards mid table with what we're spending and signing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: gpbarr on September 08, 2020, 11:33:54 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.

And not giving a shit about the finances nearly bankrupt the club. Get serious - this is a business, not a hobby
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Rory on September 08, 2020, 11:41:53 PM
Have we overpaid, and if so, by how much?

We need new options in attack, I'm fairly confident the club didn't say "hey, what do you want for Watkins? £20m? Okay, we'll offer £28m".

If he's a player we want, that was valued at that by Brentford, and we decided he was worth it, then so be it. I don't think Jack is worth £80m but we're all happy enough if that means Man Utd fuck off and Jack is in our starting XI come the first game of the season.

Not dismissing anybody else's opinion, but I think this is a good signing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Rory on September 08, 2020, 11:43:28 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.

And not giving a shit about the finances nearly bankrupt the club. Get serious - this is a business, not a hobby

That must be why you're paid so much to monitor our transfer activity then.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 08, 2020, 11:47:21 PM
Irrespective of how FFP may be relaxed for a while now due to worldly issues, we are still not accountants.

Even what we think is ďvalue for money ď we will ultimately never know the true cost of a player or what income we have to cover that .

Letís relax knowing our owners are minted, not Lerner minted , but actually minted.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: paul_e on September 08, 2020, 11:49:09 PM
I thik the video linked earlier is very misleading. It shows him scoring a lot of 'fox in the box' style goals, and that will be welcome, but if you look at how he was playing before last season where he was a winger more often you get a much better understanding of his overall game:

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 08, 2020, 11:52:34 PM
Iíve never understood why us fans talk about the money aspect like
Itís our money - it isnít - itís the clubs whether itís revenue based or owners holdings.

If he does the job I couldnít careless how much he costs.

Agreed. This is an excellent signing in my book, not sure why we insist on qualifying that with 'yeah, but we paid too much'.

Because we ther we like it or not we live in an era of FFP so it has an impact on the budget for future signings.

And not giving a shit about the finances nearly bankrupt the club. Get serious - this is a business, not a hobby

Absolutely itís a business, so at the top table letís pay over the odds if needs be as if that player keeps us up / gets us a place higher in the PL it pays for itself and then some.

Relax.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 08, 2020, 11:57:18 PM
Watkins is both footed and comfortable shooting and scoring either and his head.
Plays all across the front 3 so great option. Hope he's used as striker but is flexibility allows him to play as wing forward too and has attacking creativity
Deano knows him well and only improve him
Lovely acquisition with best years ahead of him.

I'm pleased he's coming in and I hope can be a great attacking asset.
15+ goals this season please!!
 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2020, 12:15:14 AM
Don't think anyone knows how he will turn out. You cant judge a players chances of success at the prem by  the championship anymore than you can judge a player from the Belgium 1st division and i heard the same arguments last summer. All we know is Smith has bet the farm on him, and in 12 months time, he'll either be gone or people will be aiming plaudits at him for buying a player no-one else would gamble on.


place your bets now....

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 12:24:43 AM
Don't think anyone knows how he will turn out. You cant judge a players chances of success at the prem by  the championship anymore than you can judge a player from the Belgium 1st division and i heard the same arguments last summer. All we know is Smith has bet the farm on him, and in 12 months time, he'll either be gone or people will be aiming plaudits at him for buying a player no-one else would gamble on.

place your bets now....

This is true of almost any signing, I've seen us sign players with experience (at the level we're playing) for big money who flop a lot more often than youngsters with big reputations.

I think character and attitude, and how they match the rest of the squad, are far more important than experience because they have a bigger effect on how players settle into the club. Both signings so far fit with the squad as it was at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2020, 12:32:38 AM
Don't think anyone knows how he will turn out. You cant judge a players chances of success at the prem by  the championship anymore than you can judge a player from the Belgium 1st division and i heard the same arguments last summer. All we know is Smith has bet the farm on him, and in 12 months time, he'll either be gone or people will be aiming plaudits at him for buying a player no-one else would gamble on.

place your bets now....

This is true of almost any signing, I've seen us sign players with experience (at the level we're playing) for big money who flop a lot more often than youngsters with big reputations.

I think character and attitude, and how they match the rest of the squad, are far more important than experience because they have a bigger effect on how players settle into the club. Both signings so far fit with the squad as it was at the end of the season.

yeah don't disagree. this summer at least,  i believe Smith really wanted watkins which is probably more than you can say for the last two striker we've bought.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 12:38:05 AM
Didn't we have this exact argument last year?  I thought at the end of the season just gone there was consensus that we erred too far towards potential + inexperience and badly needed a few experienced heads.  So far we've spent what £43M+ on two lads with no PL experience whatsoever.  Okay, you lose money on older players with no resale value but that's not why you're buying them.  You're buying them because the team - particularly the inexperienced lads - needs them.  In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 09, 2020, 12:39:26 AM
What I do like about Watkins coming in is he offers more flexibility across the forward line, he can drift wide from central positions and so would King if we signed him so we might actually have one of those mythical flexible front 3 formations all the clubs who actually win stuff and play in europe do.

I imagine he'll start the season against Sheffield as central striker but if he dosen't hit the ground running then we can move him out wide and given him more time to adapt to premier league without him having the pressure to score.

It's a must we bring in another striker given the three we started with last year alll missed significant chunks of last season injured. Would be good to have a decent attacking option off the bench aswell.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2020, 12:54:36 AM
Deano knows what he's doing he's looked at things and got his appropriate striker.
Last season we needed a centre forward to score from all those chances  Grealish created -2nd most in league after KDB.

Ollie Watkins scored  26 goals last season.
Expected goals XG  :25 goals
Watkins outperformed his XG.

Last season Watkins displayed outstanding finishing ability. Scoring every chance expected of him +1! 
In the centre forward role he's shown to take his chances.

So basically if we create chances OW will be expected to score- literally!

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 09, 2020, 01:18:35 AM
He missed a total sitter v Barnsley on final day. Inch perfect cross came into the box, no one was marking him and he did a complete air kick. I should know as I had 200 quid riding on it!

Was 1-1 at the time so if he'd scored there Brentford would've made the premier league. Struggled to make an impact in play off final aswell.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 01:59:13 AM
A player that had he signed him MOíN would have referred to as Oliver.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: robbo1874 on September 09, 2020, 02:23:58 AM
I thik the video linked earlier is very misleading. It shows him scoring a lot of 'fox in the box' style goals, and that will be welcome, but if you look at how he was playing before last season where he was a winger more often you get a much better understanding of his overall game:


very impressive montage. Didnít even know who he was before the transfer chat started. I donít wish to jinx the lad, but thereís a few similarities with Collymore and Savo in that little lot! I like how a lot of them are smashed into the roof of the net and the Ďtap insí are taken very cleanly and instinctively. I can see why people are calling for more pace out wide.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: robbo1874 on September 09, 2020, 03:12:29 AM
Imagine if we hadnít sold Traore...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: mr underhill on September 09, 2020, 06:47:10 AM
i wish someone had taken Brian Green's advice three or four years ago and bought him then.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Villafirst on September 09, 2020, 06:50:42 AM
Spurs Forums are angry at missing out on Ollie. Saddled with a massive £1bn debt to pay for their new stadium means a small transfer budget. I think Ollie will be worth £50m+ in a couple of years...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: frank black on September 09, 2020, 06:52:59 AM
i wish someone had taken Brian Green's advice three or four years ago and bought him then.

We were linked with him before he went to Brentford (I think).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 06:56:12 AM
Didn't we have this exact argument last year?  I thought at the end of the season just gone there was consensus that we erred too far towards potential + inexperience and badly needed a few experienced heads.  So far we've spent what £43M+ on two lads with no PL experience whatsoever.  Okay, you lose money on older players with no resale value but that's not why you're buying them.  You're buying them because the team - particularly the inexperienced lads - needs them.  In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window.

We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ldavfc4eva on September 09, 2020, 07:25:59 AM
Good video montage of last season, what I noticed though was Benrahma made only 1 or 2 of Ollies goals.

I thought they were a bit of a package, as in Benrahma sets them up and Ollie finishes them.

Not the case at all based on last season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 07:29:12 AM
Deano knows what he's doing he's looked at things and got his appropriate striker.
Last season we needed a centre forward to score from all those chances  Grealish created -2nd most in league after KDB.

Ollie Watkins scored  26 goals last season.
Expected goals XG  :25 goals
Watkins outperformed his XG.

Last season Watkins displayed outstanding finishing ability. Scoring every chance expected of him +1! 
In the centre forward role he's shown to take his chances.

So basically if we create chances OW will be expected to score- literally!


Are you sure about that XG stat footy?  I heard the Villa analytics guy off twitter on a podcast a while back and he said Watkins xg last year was 36, so he underperformed.  He spun it as a good thing as it showed ho much more potential to improve he has
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ozzjim on September 09, 2020, 07:33:23 AM
https://www.infogol.net/en/player/ollie-watkins/16309

Appears Vill I An is right Chris.

I do like that at the bottom of that stat is the form of Brentfords next opponent.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 07:41:10 AM
Ok thanks.  Iíll try to find out which episode it was as the guy was very positive about Watkins and talked about him in detail, so it may be of interest to some.  It was on the ĎFor the Love of Paul McGrathí podcast
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 07:44:53 AM
This is the pod, sorry for the long link Iím on my phone.  Itís episode 75 of the love of Paul McGrath poor dcast

https://fortheloveofpaulmcgrath.podbean.com/e/%F0%9F%8Evillaanalytics-is-back-to-chat-about-what-advanced-analytics-are-how-ollie-watkins-looks-through-that-lens%99%F0%9F%8E/
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ozzjim on September 09, 2020, 07:46:08 AM
There appears to be a positive write up about him in the Times today but behind the paywall.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 09, 2020, 08:07:28 AM
The Brentford fans seem to say he works extremely hard, is good in the air and with both feet and has pace.

All sounds very promising.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: algy on September 09, 2020, 08:29:55 AM
Don't think anyone knows how he will turn out. You cant judge a players chances of success at the prem by  the championship anymore than you can judge a player from the Belgium 1st division and i heard the same arguments last summer. All we know is Smith has bet the farm on him, and in 12 months time, he'll either be gone or people will be aiming plaudits at him for buying a player no-one else would gamble on.


place your bets now....
Smith has worked with him in the past at Brentford, and also been fairly knowledgeable about his career before that having presumably had some influence / prior knowledge to Brentford signing him. Any transfer's a gamble, but in the grand scheme of things it's a pretty safe one. He'll know exactly what he can offer, and what his attitude's like. Even if we have overpaid for him, it's worthwhile because it's still cheaper than buying 2x £15m players from abroad and hoping that one hits the ground running (or a £10m and £20m player in Wes & Samatta's case).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Nii Lamptey on September 09, 2020, 08:34:38 AM
If he scores us 15-20 goals this season, he'll be priceless.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 09, 2020, 08:55:53 AM
I wonder what odds you can get on him scoring 25 goals plus next season??

Half our problem last season was pure wastefulness of chances. See El Ghazi vs Everton, Samatta in his debut, Davis vs Arsenal etc... I reckon if we put our mind to it, we could name at least 20 very good squandered chances last season. If we scored at least half of those, I doubt we would have been in the position we were in the end - El Ghazi vs Everton being a great example. If that goes in, itís 3 more points and we go into the last day safely.

We were creating chances, we just werenít clinical.

With Watkins being another Abraham type goal scorer, I genuinely have hope that we might have found that particular missing piece of the puzzle. What Iím saying is that with a more clinical finisher, we would have been pushing more towards mid table.

Our next piece of the puzzle is Defence. It improved post lockdown quite considerably - do I have confidence that this is solved yet? No. But I think itís a work in progress and the experience Last seasons of both Mings and Konsa will have helped greatly. We concede less of those last minute goals, our league position will be much better. How many points did we lose in the last 10 minutes last season?? Far too many...

The final piece for me will be the wingers. I donít believe El Ghazi is good enough, although I really wish he was. Even in the Championship, he blew hot and cold. He was exceptional against the Baggies but bang average in many other games.
Trezeguet has a cunning knack of being in the right place at the right time, so I believe heís worth a punt next season. Iím convinced there is a player in there and that heíll be much better this season. In reality, Iíd take one more winger on balance to help provide the chances for Watkins.

On balance though, I believe Watkins will prove your be a very astute and positive signing for us. We continue setting up those chances next season, and have learnt the lessons from last season too, we will do better this year. Itís a lot of money for an unproven striker in the Premier League, but until last season, Abraham hadnít done much either.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: simboy on September 09, 2020, 09:03:31 AM
Looks a good buy to me. Can play out wide or through the centre, from what Iíve seen works hard closing down (which was a big criticism of Wesley and Samatta), is acclimatised to English football and has scored goals throughout his career. Heís 24 so young enough to to improve.



£28 million rising to £33 million if heís a success? Heres to paying £33 million.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
I'm not sure there's that much pressure with the price tag. It's just what happens these days. When you look at the money the really top players go for in comparison he's cheap.

I like that he'll be able to play on his own or to the side of someone else. Think of Davis' hold up play and someone like Watkins with pace connecting with him. Could be brilliant.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2020, 09:08:26 AM
https://www.infogol.net/en/player/ollie-watkins/16309

Appears Vill I An is right Chris.

I do like that at the bottom of that stat is the form of Brentfords next opponent.
Only made 50% of his expected assists - get rid now!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
I just wonder if he's got the all round game to be a success in the Premier League.  I've not seen lots of him play, but from the video of all his goals last season, 90% of them seem to be tap ins from good work from the rest of the Brentford team, against some dodgy Championship defending.  We've had our fingers burnt buying a Brentford player who just scored tap ins in the past, so is this going to be different?  Please tell me it is!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 09:17:04 AM
It is.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 09:18:58 AM
It is. I've seen him in the flesh a couple of times and he's quality. Plus I'm always wrong so nothing to worry about!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2020, 09:35:18 AM
Deano knows what he's doing he's looked at things and got his appropriate striker.
Last season we needed a centre forward to score from all those chances  Grealish created -2nd most in league after KDB.

Ollie Watkins scored  26 goals last season.
Expected goals XG  :25 goals
Watkins outperformed his XG.

Last season Watkins displayed outstanding finishing ability. Scoring every chance expected of him +1! 
In the centre forward role he's shown to take his chances.

So basically if we create chances OW will be expected to score- literally!


Are you sure about that XG stat footy?  I heard the Villa analytics guy off twitter on a podcast a while back and he said Watkins xg last year was 36, so he underperformed.  He spun it as a good thing as it showed ho much more potential to improve he has

36 XG is high ! Maybe they combined the Watkins and Brentford XG together as a measurement?

Thanks for putting up podcast , new one one me, haven't had chance to listen but hope to check it out sometime.

Up the Villa.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 09, 2020, 09:35:47 AM
The Brentford fans seem to say he works extremely hard, is good in the air and with both feet and has pace.

All sounds very promising.

They also say he went missing when the pressure was on.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 09:37:37 AM
Deano knows what he's doing he's looked at things and got his appropriate striker.
Last season we needed a centre forward to score from all those chances  Grealish created -2nd most in league after KDB.

Ollie Watkins scored  26 goals last season.
Expected goals XG  :25 goals
Watkins outperformed his XG.

Last season Watkins displayed outstanding finishing ability. Scoring every chance expected of him +1! 
In the centre forward role he's shown to take his chances.

So basically if we create chances OW will be expected to score- literally!


Are you sure about that XG stat footy?  I heard the Villa analytics guy off twitter on a podcast a while back and he said Watkins xg last year was 36, so he underperformed.  He spun it as a good thing as it showed ho much more potential to improve he has

36 XG is high ! Maybe they combined the Watkins and Brentford XG together as a measurement?

Thanks for putting up podcast , new one one me, haven't had chance to listen but hope to check it out sometime.

Up the Villa.

He does say different agencies count the chances differently on XG and 36 was one of the higher ones.  Either way, he was really positive about him, as am I.  Villa Analytics is well worth following on Twitter - he'd be right up your street footy.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: dave shelley on September 09, 2020, 09:45:49 AM
Has he been spotted at the Belfry yet?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2020, 09:54:12 AM
I just wonder if he's got the all round game to be a success in the Premier League.  I've not seen lots of him play, but from the video of all his goals last season, 90% of them seem to be tap ins from good work from the rest of the Brentford team, against some dodgy Championship defending.  We've had our fingers burnt buying a Brentford player who just scored tap ins in the past, so is this going to be different?  Please tell me it is!

Yes I think he can be more success than Hogan.
What's super is he's both footed can strike goals with either foot.

Do also check out his goalscoring exploits for Exeter too
1 min 28 the goal v Plymouth 2016 very special and my favourite! Some other very good ones

https://youtu.be/gvRRHpc31jg

His goals are very varied and with both feet .
Not all high XG as he scored a few from distance.
Yes hiis amount of goals were scored last season on a plate though he has shown he finishes chances and underlying stats are good as a central striker.


Plays all the front 3 positions and hoping Dean can progress him further.
He's better than Hogan I think.

I hope you enjoy the Exeter goals.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sid1964 on September 09, 2020, 09:55:10 AM
Best of luck Ollie just score lots - if we can create chances for you?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 09:56:17 AM
His work rate alone is ten times better than hogans
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: mallo on September 09, 2020, 09:56:39 AM
I watched his goals video and thought 'Hogan 2.0' - adds nothing except decent positioning in the box. Then I watched another video where his all round play was highlighted and he was scoring in and outside the box, with both feet and his head. He was also very quick and carried the ball very well on long runs, so I think he's got a lot more than Hogan and indeed Maupay. He seems to have the confidence to hit a ball early as well, which is great - it'll just be about how he deals with the pressure. On the whole I'm pleased, think he will come good and will certainly press teams back in the way that Gabby used to. I'm not overly worried about the price - he will probably be here 3 years at least. Good luck!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2020, 10:17:30 AM
Talking about Championship strikers making the step-up to the Premiership yesterday, I realised i didn't actually know apart from assumptions so i thought i'd have a look. This is 4 seasons worth (obviously doesn't include last season), and is not meant to prove a point either way in relation to Watkins, just found it interesting

Championship forwards who scored over 20 goals in a season  16

Not played in the Premiership - 3

Of the rest.


Number who have scored 15 or over in the Premiership since - 1 or 7.7%

Number who scored 10 or over in premiership since -  5 or 38.4%


No prizes for guessing who the 1 is
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 10:34:08 AM
Gregg Evans reporting that his medical is complete.

https://twitter.com/greggevans40/status/1303625397570019332?s=20
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 10:46:56 AM
Athletic also reporting Spurs were in for him apparantly:

The Athletic: Tottenham were Villaís main rivals for Watkins. He was open to the move and confident he would have enjoyed plenty of game time across numerous competitions. However, Spurs were not in a position to move quickly because of the finances involved.

https://twitter.com/thespursweb/status/1303628388075266053?s=20

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 10:48:59 AM
Hence why Spurs fans are pissed off that they can't do a deal like this.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 10:49:05 AM
Going back to the whole price debate I love how no one takes notice of some other high profile costly signings that so far have been dare I say it all f and no s.  Arsenal paid £72m for Pepe for the grand total of five goals.  He might come good.  But at over double what we are paying for Watkins you'd think that would be a must!  Everton as well - that Keane bloke - 30m EUR including add ons.  Missed an open goal didn't he last year. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2020, 10:50:35 AM
Gregg Evans reporting that his medical is complete.

https://twitter.com/greggevans40/status/1303625397570019332?s=20

Nice one Chris!
Always find Evans has a bit of ITK about him .
More reliable than most.
I've deemed that him and Percy are the go to on any Villa deals. DT Percy I learnt from H & V to be reliable.
Pat Murphy BBC use to have good offerings too.
And Regan on WM has some knowledge I think ? But the
rest of them like Matt Law and Alan Nixon are a mixed bunch when it comes to any villa info and are as hit as they are miss.

Outside of purely Villa related Fabrizio Romano is on the money with his ITK for many transfers !

Don't know if anyone else has any recommendations but haven't seen many other sources as good as Gregg Evans and Jon Percy for ITKs

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: The Edge on September 09, 2020, 10:57:52 AM
So medical passed then. I'm excited by this one. Best wishes Ollie. Stan would be very proud.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 10:59:19 AM
We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Yes we did.  What's your point?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 11:01:59 AM
I loved this bit.

Villaís local rivals West Brom were too, however their proposal of a loan with an option to buy was considered a non-starter.

Typical Smethwick cheap skates.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 11:07:03 AM
Sounds like West Brom blew their budget on Diagana and are now reliant on loans.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 11:15:42 AM
We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Yes we did.  What's your point?

That you're sooo negative about the Villa (winky)

Anyway, apparently it's 20 years to the day that Luc Nilis' career was ended at Ipswich. Might be an idea to show Ollie his goal against Chelsea and tell him to mix-up a few tap-ins with swivel-worldies like that one.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PGW on September 09, 2020, 11:27:14 AM
Sounds like West Brom blew their budget on Diagana and are now reliant on loans.
Aren't we supposedly interested in taking Gallagher on loan from Chelsea
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 11:27:53 AM
We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Yes we did.  What's your point?


That you were wrong then and just as likely to be wrong now.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: sid1964 on September 09, 2020, 11:30:43 AM
If Watkins signs a 5 year deal - I will be nearly 61 when that finishes!!!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 11:30:57 AM
Sounds like West Brom blew their budget on Diagana and are now reliant on loans.
Aren't we supposedly interested in taking Gallagher on loan from Chelsea

Only if the middle 'g' is silent.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: lovejoy on September 09, 2020, 11:33:33 AM
It's official.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: jwarry on September 09, 2020, 11:35:25 AM
It's official.

More pleased about this than if we got Wilson
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Dave P on September 09, 2020, 11:38:29 AM
Great news. Obviously was our main target all summer so glad we've got him in.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 11:38:31 AM
It's official.

More pleased about this than if we got Wilson

I just read that as "More pleased about this than when we got Whelan"!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 11:39:41 AM
5 year deal. Nice.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: jwarry on September 09, 2020, 11:39:58 AM
It's official.

More pleased about this than if we got Wilson

I just read that as "More pleased about this than when we got Whelan"!

That as well
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Dave P on September 09, 2020, 11:40:26 AM
Stick him in against Burton next week to get his fitness up and to tear them a new arsehole.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: UK Redsox on September 09, 2020, 11:43:37 AM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 11:44:03 AM
We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Yes we did.  What's your point?

That you were wrong then and just as likely to be wrong now.
Jesus wept.  Grow up.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 11:47:59 AM
Delighted with this one.  Welcome Ollie, please be great.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 11:49:35 AM
We also had an argument about whether we were definitely getting relegated a couple of months ago.
Yes we did.  What's your point?

That you were wrong then and just as likely to be wrong now.
Jesus wept.  Grow up.


Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 09, 2020, 11:50:07 AM
Good news.  Welcome Ollie, please be 10 times better than the last striker we got from Brentford.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 11:51:04 AM
Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Yes, and as quickly as possible please.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: DB on September 09, 2020, 11:51:08 AM
Good news.  Welcome Ollie, please be 10 times better than the last striker we got from Brentford.

Or any of our current strikers.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Gary Penrice on September 09, 2020, 11:51:41 AM
Welcome to the Villa Ollie.....happy with this signing! Now on to the next one!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 11:53:43 AM
Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Yes, and as quickly as possible please.

If growing up entails having to constantly moan about just about everything I'll give it a miss.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 09, 2020, 11:54:47 AM
Good news.  Welcome Ollie, please be 10 times better than the last striker we got from Brentford.

Or any of our current strikers.

Quite. If heís 10 times better than Hogan he will be. Iím hoping heís the best striker weíve ever signed but 10 times better than Hogan should at least make him decent.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 09, 2020, 11:55:00 AM
Welcome Ollie - be great.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 09, 2020, 11:55:14 AM
he scored as many goals as Norwich last season .
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 11:58:58 AM
Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Yes, and as quickly as possible please.

If growing up entails having to constantly moan about just about everything I'll give it a miss.
Alright, tell me what is so incorrect, intolerable or outrageous about what I said here that's prompted this outburst.

"Didn't we have this exact argument last year?  I thought at the end of the season just gone there was consensus that we erred too far towards potential + inexperience and badly needed a few experienced heads.  So far we've spent what £43M+ on two lads with no PL experience whatsoever.  Okay, you lose money on older players with no resale value but that's not why you're buying them.  You're buying them because the team - particularly the inexperienced lads - needs them.  In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."

What's so infuriating about that that's made you lose your shit this morning?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Clampy on September 09, 2020, 12:00:07 PM
Welcome to VP Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 12:01:53 PM
Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Yes, and as quickly as possible please.

If growing up entails having to constantly moan about just about everything I'll give it a miss.
Alright, tell me what is so incorrect, intolerable or outrageous about what I said here that's prompted this outburst.

"Didn't we have this exact argument last year?  I thought at the end of the season just gone there was consensus that we erred too far towards potential + inexperience and badly needed a few experienced heads.  So far we've spent what £43M+ on two lads with no PL experience whatsoever.  Okay, you lose money on older players with no resale value but that's not why you're buying them.  You're buying them because the team - particularly the inexperienced lads - needs them.  In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."

What's so infuriating about that that's made you lose your shit this morning?

I have complete security in the knowledge of the location of my shit.

Let's just leave it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villa Lew on September 09, 2020, 12:04:48 PM
Welcome Ollie
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Diablo on September 09, 2020, 12:06:40 PM
Wonderful news! I have a good feeling about this. UTV!!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 12:07:03 PM
I have complete security in the knowledge of the location of my shit.
I think everyone who reads this forum can see where your shit is.

But, yes let's leave it.  Don't reply to my stuff and I won't reply to yours.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 09, 2020, 12:11:21 PM
Welcome, Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 12:11:45 PM
Welcome Ollie. Your signing has crashed the Villa website so you're already having an impact!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 12:13:21 PM
I thought we'd break our transfer record this summer and so we have, which is great.  I hope we maybe do it once more before the window closes.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 09, 2020, 12:15:02 PM
Welcome Ollie. Your signing has crashed the Villa website so you're already having an impact!
Wait until we sell Hogan. It will go into meltdown.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: olaftab on September 09, 2020, 12:15:28 PM
We have the big yellow ticker display on SSN breaking news. Great.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 09, 2020, 12:17:24 PM
We also have him massive-clubbing it on the website.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 12:17:56 PM
In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."

I think if that's your expectation for the club then you're going to be regularly disappointed under the current owners.

Everything they've said and done in the last couple of years screams out that they don't want to be buying players older than about 27-28 and 22-25 is more realistic. They spoken about being sustainable as a business, we've had scouts talking about identifying when a performance boost from a player looks likely, we've signed a DoF from a club that has specialised in signing players on the way up to flip for a profit. On top of that we're throwing resources at the academy and talking about how to create a pipeline from there into the first team and identifying players capable of that step up earlier in their development through loans, etc.

I'd put money on the plan being that the first team squad grow together for a year or 2 and then they become the experienced pros that all our new signings can learn from. Smith talked about the importance of attitude when it comes to signings and that leans into the same concept, we want players who turn up willing to learn and adapt. If we sign older players it will be because they have an attitude that we want our young players to learn from, Heaton is a great example.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 12:20:07 PM
I have complete security in the knowledge of the location of my shit.
I think everyone who reads this forum can see where your shit is.

But, yes let's leave it.  Don't reply to my stuff and I won't reply to yours.

I reckon you could have a thread of your own soon.  ;)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dave P on September 09, 2020, 12:21:29 PM
Welcome Ollie. Your signing has crashed the Villa website so you're already having an impact!
Wait until we sell Hogan. It will go into meltdown.

Nah, we wont be online as we'll be having street parties.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 12:23:02 PM
In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."
If we sign older players it will be because they have an attitude that we want our young players to learn from, Heaton is a great example.
That's exactly the point I'm making.  In pretty much every end-of-season review I read over the summer, as well as on here, our lack of experience was mentioned as a reason we struggled.  All I'm saying is that I wouldn't want us to make the same mistake this year. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 09, 2020, 12:25:26 PM
Endless tantrums about endless aspects of the club and I'm the one who has to grow up?
Yes, and as quickly as possible please.

If growing up entails having to constantly moan about just about everything I'll give it a miss.
Alright, tell me what is so incorrect, intolerable or outrageous about what I said here that's prompted this outburst.

"Didn't we have this exact argument last year?  I thought at the end of the season just gone there was consensus that we erred too far towards potential + inexperience and badly needed a few experienced heads.  So far we've spent what £43M+ on two lads with no PL experience whatsoever.  Okay, you lose money on older players with no resale value but that's not why you're buying them.  You're buying them because the team - particularly the inexperienced lads - needs them.  In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."

What's so infuriating about that that's made you lose your shit this morning?

I'm not taking sides on this, but the 'fact' you mention is a supposition.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on September 09, 2020, 12:28:05 PM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
That's just such an ace fact. I've grown up since moving to Devon in 83 with this being my main source of football.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: danno on September 09, 2020, 12:28:28 PM
Can we all just disagree without becoming Julian Clary in a tizzy?

I can't remember who it was Clampy was having handbags with last year but it was as boring to read as anything I've ever posted. And I am one dull bstrd.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: FatSam on September 09, 2020, 12:36:26 PM
I'm pleased with this signing, but Brentford certainly know how to do business - Watkins has just paid for two sides of their new ground!

I can remember him being touted as a hot prospect when he was with Exeter, so in future it would be good to be in a position (i.e. more established in the EPL) to pick-up similar players one step earlier and take the risk on their potential being fulfilled.

Anyway, score 15 goals this season and he will have justified the fee straight away. Welcome Ollie, and good luck!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 12:44:36 PM
I can remember him being touted as a hot prospect when he was with Exeter, so in future it would be good to be in a position (i.e. more established in the EPL) to pick-up similar players one step earlier and take the risk on their potential being fulfilled.

Yes, it would be good to be in a position where we could hoover up some of the best young players and send them out on loan straight away for first team experience.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 12:45:53 PM
In fact, you really shouldn't be buying one without the other and I fully expect us to bring in a couple before the end of the window."
If we sign older players it will be because they have an attitude that we want our young players to learn from, Heaton is a great example.
That's exactly the point I'm making.  In pretty much every end-of-season review I read over the summer, as well as on here, our lack of experience was mentioned as a reason we struggled.  All I'm saying is that I wouldn't want us to make the same mistake this year. 

Very different circumstances though. Last year the squad had about 100 premier league appearances between them other than Heaton. One season on and there's a much better understanding of the demands of the league within the squad. I don't have a problem with us signing a more experienced player or 2 but fitting in with the squad and adding to the team spirit we have is far more important.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 12:49:27 PM
I can remember him being touted as a hot prospect when he was with Exeter, so in future it would be good to be in a position (i.e. more established in the EPL) to pick-up similar players one step earlier and take the risk on their potential being fulfilled.

Yes, it would be good to be in a position where we could hoover up some of the best young players and send them out on loan straight away for first team experience.

I think the signings of Chrisene and Barry indicate that's the sort of plan we're heading for... though I think doing a bit of development in house first to get them understanding the style of the club is a good idea...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 12:49:40 PM
Welcome Ollie, excited to see what you can do, so please don't be rubbish.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villafirst on September 09, 2020, 12:50:36 PM
Welcome Ollie!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 12:53:56 PM
I can remember him being touted as a hot prospect when he was with Exeter, so in future it would be good to be in a position (i.e. more established in the EPL) to pick-up similar players one step earlier and take the risk on their potential being fulfilled.

Yes, it would be good to be in a position where we could hoover up some of the best young players and send them out on loan straight away for first team experience.

I think the signings of Chrisene and Barry indicate that's the sort of plan we're heading for... though I think doing a bit of development in house first to get them understanding the style of the club is a good idea...

I suspect 12-18months with the academy/U23s and then we'll make a decision on whether to blood them with us or send them out for 6-12months.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 01:02:15 PM
A classic H&V welcome to new signings : "Please don't be shit." But please don't be average either. Be good. Be cool.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 01:04:07 PM
Jut once can we have a signing come in and hit the ground running?  No moaning, no saying that he needs a full pre-season and 6 months to bed in, just some decent performances and a goal or two would be lovely.  Cheers in advance Ollie!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 01:06:23 PM
When was the last time we had an Oliver in the team?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on September 09, 2020, 01:08:08 PM
I can remember him being touted as a hot prospect when he was with Exeter, so in future it would be good to be in a position (i.e. more established in the EPL) to pick-up similar players one step earlier and take the risk on their potential being fulfilled.

Yes, it would be good to be in a position where we could hoover up some of the best young players and send them out on loan straight away for first team experience.

I think the signings of Chrisene and Barry indicate that's the sort of plan we're heading for... though I think doing a bit of development in house first to get them understanding the style of the club is a good idea...
So when Chrisene sells for £100M we can retire his shirt.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 09, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Welcome Olllie, I have a feeling you're going to be a star for us!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on September 09, 2020, 01:15:33 PM
Do we know how much Exeter City gets from this deal? I would hope it's a fair chunk of money.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2020, 01:16:19 PM
Best of british luck ollie. In 5 years time may we find you with 100+ goals, sleeping in a pile of 50 pound notes  and with a ridiculous WAG in tow, rather than in the priory between dogging adventures and fights with weathergirls
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 09, 2020, 01:21:11 PM
Do we know how much Exeter City gets from this deal? I would hope it's a fair chunk of money.
Did I read somewhere itís something like £6 million?
I might be way off though.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on September 09, 2020, 01:23:56 PM
Do we know how much Exeter City gets from this deal? I would hope it's a fair chunk of money.
Did I read somewhere itís something like £6 million?
I might be way off though.
That's promising if true. I've tried to look and see but can't see anything reported yet.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Stu on September 09, 2020, 01:24:17 PM
Best of british luck ollie. In 5 years time may we find you with 100+ goals, sleeping in a pile of 50 pound notes  and with a ridiculous WAG in tow, rather than in the priory between dogging adventures and fights with weathergirls

This is weird.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: UK Redsox on September 09, 2020, 01:26:01 PM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
That's just such an ace fact. I've grown up since moving to Devon in 83 with this being my main source of football.

With an ex-Chippenham Town player in Mings, it's pretty good for South West (ish) representation
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: UK Redsox on September 09, 2020, 01:29:32 PM
Do we know how much Exeter City gets from this deal? I would hope it's a fair chunk of money.
Did I read somewhere itís something like £6 million?
I might be way off though.
That's promising if true. I've tried to look and see but can't see anything reported yet.

Per 'Devon Live' ......"The Grecians received a fee of around £1.8m when they sold Watkins three years ago and negotiated a 15 per cent sell-on clause when selling him to Brentford."
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on September 09, 2020, 01:37:42 PM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
That's just such an ace fact. I've grown up since moving to Devon in 83 with this being my main source of football.

With an ex-Chippenham Town player in Mings, it's pretty good for South West (ish) representation
Get on, I never knew that. I have great memories watching Dawlish Town play in the 80's in the Western League, playing the likes of Chippenham and Western-Super-Mare.  I managed to skipper the seconds for a while and the odd sub appearance for the first team in the 90's. They have folded now, such a great shame.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: kipeye on September 09, 2020, 01:39:12 PM
Crazy money. He will get my 100% support but I sure hope this ends better than our recent history of buying overly expensive strikers from the Championship - Hogan, McCormack, Gestede, Kodija ......

Bit harsh on Kod he did perfectly well for us.
How many of the above bought by Smith. Wes and sammatta yes, but none of these.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: kipeye on September 09, 2020, 01:40:41 PM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
Practically Brum-On-Sea. So, a homegrown player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ozzjim on September 09, 2020, 01:42:46 PM
How many goals do we think represents a decent season, and how many do we think he will score.

I am going for 12 to be a good season (1 in 3) and he will get 14.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2020, 01:52:49 PM
Do we know how much Exeter City gets from this deal? I would hope it's a fair chunk of money.
Did I read somewhere itís something like £6 million?
I might be way off though.
I read that Exeter would get 15% of the fee; so, just over £4m.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: usav on September 09, 2020, 01:58:34 PM
Reading other fans reactions on Reddit and other places, pretty much everyone seems to think it is very good business and rates him very highly.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 09, 2020, 02:00:22 PM
Really pleased with this signing, think Ollie will do really well. Feel a lot calmer about where weíre going this season now, another forward/winger, central midfielder and keeper and job done
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on September 09, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
Can we all be friends and agree that the club video on Twitter announcing his arrival was more than a bit raunchy?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rob_bridge on September 09, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
Welcome Young Man - be a legend like Peter the Great, Little, Shaw and Yorke if you will.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 02:54:54 PM
Iím delighted weíve signed him and delighted that we have helped secure Exeterís future for a few years.  The lower league clubs would be a lot mkre financially secure if clubs werenít obsessed with buying up all the best overseas prospects.  Thereís plenty of affordable talent that have started out at the lower levels.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 09, 2020, 02:59:41 PM
Got my first comment on the BBC transfer feed - some dickhead Everton fan was holding forth about Watkins being the most overpriced signing ever.

Really?
Sigurdsson - 45m
Iwobi - 34m
Moise Kean - 25m
Tosun - 27m
Mina - 27m

How did they work out then?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 03:01:00 PM
Got my first comment on the BBC transfer feed - some dickhead Everton fan was holding forth about Watkins being the most overpriced signing ever.

Really?
Sigurdsson - 45m
Iwobi - 34m
Moise Kean - 25m
Tosun - 27m
Mina - 27m

How did they work out then?

That's without including what they paid Wayne Rooney!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 03:06:24 PM
Itís possible this deal took longer because of the sell on fee owed to Exeter. Brentford will have had a net valuation that they wanted met. If in the end we helped out a smaller club like Exeter and ultimately we got the player we wanted then it was worth the wait.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 09, 2020, 03:11:14 PM

Iwobi - 34m

They mentioned this in the Guardian piece about Everton's prospects for 2020/21, describing the fee as "scarcely believable".  I looked up his stats and realised that "scarcely believable" is an understatement.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 09, 2020, 03:11:51 PM
Welcome Ollie, please be good.

I've been getting stick off glory hunting mates about spending all this money on someone they'd never heard of. Given he was Championship player of the year I think that says more about their ignorance than anything else. One of them is an Arsenal "fan" so I said less than half the price of Pepe but hopefully better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 09, 2020, 03:11:55 PM
How does one change their user name in honour of our most expensive striker who will undoubtedly be the best striker we've ever had?  The last user name change I made was for the signing of N'Zogbia.  Now that I'm over the shitness of the shit jacket waste of space I feel I should Watkins-ize my user name.  Anyway, I forgot how I did it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 03:13:37 PM
How does one change their user name in honour of our most expensive striker who will undoubtedly be the best striker we've ever had?  The last user name change I made was for the signing of N'Zogbia.  Now that I'm over the shitness of the shit jacket waste of space I feel I should Watkins-ize my user name.  Anyway, I forgot how I did it.

You have to request it from martin these days I believe.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 03:16:11 PM
How does one change their user name in honour of our most expensive striker who will undoubtedly be the best striker we've ever had?  The last user name change I made was for the signing of N'Zogbia.  Now that I'm over the shitness of the shit jacket waste of space I feel I should Watkins-ize my user name.  Anyway, I forgot how I did it.

Brennikins?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 09, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
How does one change their user name in honour of our most expensive striker who will undoubtedly be the best striker we've ever had?  The last user name change I made was for the signing of N'Zogbia.  Now that I'm over the shitness of the shit jacket waste of space I feel I should Watkins-ize my user name.  Anyway, I forgot how I did it.

Brennikins?

ha ha. 

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 09, 2020, 03:20:28 PM
Ďdollie ?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: enigma on September 09, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
Wonder how much he'll cost in the fantasy football. I'm struggling for decent strikers in that. I've got Keinan Davis FFS.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 03:31:34 PM
Wonder how much he'll cost in the fantasy football. I'm struggling for decent strikers in that. I've got Keinan Davis FFS.
Thinking the same, worth a punt if he's in the £5-6m bracket.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: mr underhill on September 09, 2020, 03:36:46 PM
the last thing the guy needs is a bunch of fan 'boys' appropriating variations on his name. It's tempting fate I tell you!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 09, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
How does one change their user name in honour of our most expensive striker who will undoubtedly be the best striker we've ever had?  The last user name change I made was for the signing of N'Zogbia.  Now that I'm over the shitness of the shit jacket waste of space I feel I should Watkins-ize my user name.  Anyway, I forgot how I did it.

Plenty to work with Oliver George Arthur Watkins. O'GAWD?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on September 09, 2020, 03:49:15 PM
Best of british luck ollie. In 5 years time may we find you with 100+ goals, sleeping in a pile of 50 pound notes  and with a ridiculous WAG in tow, rather than in the priory between dogging adventures and fights with weathergirls

Yes, don't get clinical depression because there are plenty who would blame you for it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 09, 2020, 03:58:13 PM
Can we all be friends and agree that the club video on Twitter announcing his arrival was more than a bit raunchy?

It came with a warning on Twitter!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rob_bridge on September 09, 2020, 03:58:37 PM
How many goals do we think represents a decent season, and how many do we think he will score.

I am going for 12 to be a good season (1 in 3) and he will get 14.

12 League goals would be a good return. Like Wesley was on for pre injury
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ozzjim on September 09, 2020, 04:05:15 PM
Can we all be friends and agree that the club video on Twitter announcing his arrival was more than a bit raunchy?

It came with a warning on Twitter!

Which one?!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 09, 2020, 04:05:48 PM
Can we all be friends and agree that the club video on Twitter announcing his arrival was more than a bit raunchy?

It came with a warning on Twitter!

Which one?!

The 'reveal' one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ozzjim on September 09, 2020, 04:06:16 PM
Oh and the "finally" hug with him and Dean, with Dean looking so happy was very nice. Heart warming. I really hope he bangs in 20 goals and looks a snip next season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on September 09, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
Can we all be friends and agree that the club video on Twitter announcing his arrival was more than a bit raunchy?

It came with a warning on Twitter!

Which one?!

The 'reveal' one.

'Reveal' is the  word, accompanied by some very smooth soft softcore pulsing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 04:12:32 PM
Yes was a bit suprised when Mr Nip said hello.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: villabear on September 09, 2020, 04:32:51 PM
ďI cannot wait to wear the famous claret and blue in the Premier League. I want to do something special here and score some goals.Ē

Heíll do for me.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Nii Lamptey on September 09, 2020, 04:34:19 PM
I'm going with a sweet 16... plus a hatfull in the cups. Welcome Ollie! 🙌🏻 ;)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: danno on September 09, 2020, 04:42:01 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rory on September 09, 2020, 04:49:20 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on September 09, 2020, 04:53:37 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rory on September 09, 2020, 04:57:32 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on September 09, 2020, 04:59:36 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?

I think that said more about MON's mentality.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: danno on September 09, 2020, 05:04:09 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

No it doesn't matter, it just seemed odd that you can win a shirt with his name and number on but they hadn't said what he was going to have.

Any football romantics out there would probably want him to have the number 9.
Although given the track record of some players we've had wear that for us recently (Helenius Ireland ) perhaps they wouldn't!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 09, 2020, 05:27:28 PM
4, 5, 16, 18 & 19 all going spare!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rory on September 09, 2020, 05:29:18 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

No it doesn't matter, it just seemed odd that you can win a shirt with his name and number on but they hadn't said what he was going to have.


I hadn't thought about that!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 09, 2020, 05:30:58 PM
Maybe Marvelous will swap numbers so that he can have the 11 shirt!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 05:31:57 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?

So did that other legend, Stephen Ireland
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 05:35:20 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?

Shudder
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 05:35:52 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?

So did that other legend, Stephen Ireland

Double shudder
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ldavfc4eva on September 09, 2020, 05:38:26 PM
Not forgetting Helenius
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 09, 2020, 05:41:16 PM
Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?
and Steven Ireland was one season too....
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on September 09, 2020, 05:43:24 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ad@m on September 09, 2020, 06:05:52 PM
We really have had some absolute dross wearing the number 9 shirt haven't we.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: john e on September 09, 2020, 06:14:02 PM
in the interests of someone scrolling back through the thread in the years to come to see what we all thought of the signing

I'm feeling chuffed about it
and I don't give two hoots about what we paid
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 09, 2020, 06:14:28 PM
We really have had some absolute dross wearing the number 9 shirt haven't we.
not just 9...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: john e on September 09, 2020, 06:18:34 PM
We really have had some absolute dross wearing the number 9 shirt haven't we.
not just 9...


Pick a number...any number
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: CT on September 09, 2020, 06:24:39 PM
Welcome Ollie. Hopefully weíll get to see you play in the flesh at Villa Park sometime over the next five years.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 09, 2020, 06:27:49 PM
How long before we see Petrov interviewing him for AVTV? My money's on before the end of the month.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 07:22:50 PM
Have they said what number he'll be wearing?

Does it matter?

Don't mean that in an aggressive way, just wondering if people have a preference, because it's never something that occurs to me.

I guess sometimes it indicates something about what the player thinks of themselves. I was reading an interview with Anthony Martial recently where he talked about the subtle change in mentality involved in getting the no. 9 back.

Interesting. Wasn't Harewood our number 9 one season?

So did that other legend, Stephen Ireland

Scott Sinclair
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ger Regan on September 09, 2020, 07:44:05 PM
Exeter chairman on SSN confirming a 15% sell on clause in the deal that brought him to Brentford. Good news for them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 09, 2020, 08:39:42 PM
Welcome Ollie, to the best football club in the World.
Be brilliant!
We need a bloody good goalscorer to hero worship.
Hope it's you!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 09, 2020, 08:48:50 PM
Welcome Ollie, really looking forward to seeing you in Claret and Blue
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 09, 2020, 09:09:43 PM
How long before we see Petrov interviewing him for AVTV? My money's on before the end of the month.

Stan and Ollie? That would be another fine mess
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 09, 2020, 09:33:10 PM
Is Watkins the first former Weston-Super-Mare player that Villa have signed ?
Practically Brum-On-Sea. So, a homegrown player.

Sea?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 09:35:43 PM
Wasn't it Exeter who we recently signed a kid from and they were highly complementary of how we conducted ourselves? 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on September 09, 2020, 09:49:03 PM
Wasn't it Exeter who we recently signed a kid from and they were highly complementary of how we conducted ourselves?
Yeah. Seems they've done well from us this summer. That young kid, then £4.2m for Watkins ...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: themossman on September 09, 2020, 09:50:41 PM
Well fwiw my mate who lives in Exeter says he saw him a lot as a youngster and rates him highly.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 10, 2020, 01:20:00 AM
How much would Exeter's annual budget be? Have we propped them up for another year while also paying for half of Brentford's new stadium? I hope they remember this altruism if we draw either of them in the cups.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: robbo1874 on September 10, 2020, 05:28:08 AM
4, 5, 16, 18 & 19 all going spare!
18 then- double good !!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: jwarry on September 10, 2020, 01:57:44 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 10, 2020, 01:58:56 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

Ray's brother?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 10, 2020, 02:03:19 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

Benteke?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 10, 2020, 02:07:31 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

Benteke?

How quick we forget! Ollie will have done very well indeed to get to the levels that Benteke hit. Letís hope he can.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 10, 2020, 02:11:56 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

That's very encouraging. If by the end of the season we are saying similar we will have someone special. Let's hope he will be coveted by ManU et al by the end of the season such is the way of things.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rigadon on September 10, 2020, 02:15:29 PM
Has he done the "delighted to be joining a massive club and I've always respected the gaffer and I want to show the fans what I'm capable of" interview yet?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ger Regan on September 10, 2020, 02:16:21 PM
The right attitude is key to success, and from the sounds of it, he's has got that.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: jwarry on September 10, 2020, 02:19:40 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

Benteke?

Oops!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 10, 2020, 02:19:51 PM
Has he done the "delighted to be joining a massive club and I've always respected the gaffer and I want to show the fans what I'm capable of" interview yet?

Yes, pretty much word for word!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: placeforparks on September 10, 2020, 02:50:27 PM
saw something great on twitter earlier. first class from our club and ollie.

(https://i.ibb.co/Qj2hbGJ/Annotation-2020-09-10-144716.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Smithy on September 10, 2020, 02:54:13 PM
Has he done the "delighted to be joining a massive club and I've always respected the gaffer and I want to show the fans what I'm capable of" interview yet?

Yes, pretty much word for word!

Has any player, for any club, ever given an interview on signing similar to the Mourinho arrival at Chelsea? As in "I'm special, I'll work hard, but you're lucky to have me"?

I'd love to see something like that!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: KevinGage on September 10, 2020, 03:00:28 PM
Richard Dunne went close - in a different way.

"Richard, why have you joined Aston Villa?"

Dunne: "Because Manchester City sold me."

Love at first bite.  He was motivated to prove them wrong in his first season, it seems.  After that, not so much.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: danno on September 10, 2020, 03:02:50 PM
Zlatan must have surely?  something like: I'm here. you're welcome.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 10, 2020, 05:07:48 PM
Has he done the "delighted to be joining a massive club and I've always respected the gaffer and I want to show the fans what I'm capable of" interview yet?

Yes, pretty much word for word!

Has any player, for any club, ever given an interview on signing similar to the Mourinho arrival at Chelsea? As in "I'm special, I'll work hard, but you're lucky to have me"?

I'd love to see something like that!


Sometimes a picture says so much more than words ever could:

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2026183.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/WEST-BROMWICH-ALBION-Nicolas-Anelka-signed-from-Juventus-on-a-free.jpg)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on September 10, 2020, 05:26:50 PM
saw something great on twitter earlier. first class from our club and ollie.

(https://i.ibb.co/Qj2hbGJ/Annotation-2020-09-10-144716.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
There's a bit of background to that here: https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2019/march/woodys-story/

But Ollie comes across as a good 'un. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 10, 2020, 05:35:15 PM
Having pored over some of the Brentford fans forums there appears to be a unanimous view that Wilkins is the best striker they have ever had. They say he has skill but is also a prodigious worker and generally good bloke.  Sure weíve coughed up but he might just turn out to be the centre forward we have craved for years, possibly since JPA

Ray's brother?

I still find it hard to believe that Butch coached for us and that he is now dead.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SaddVillan on September 10, 2020, 06:06:22 PM
How much would Exeter's annual budget be? Have we propped them up for another year while also paying for half of Brentford's new stadium? I hope they remember this altruism if we draw either of them in the cups.


Exeter City FC posted a loss of more than £700,000 for the year ending June 30, 2019, the clubís annual accounts have revealed.

Turnover for the period was £4,079,870, down 2.5 per cent on the prior year, which the club have put down to the involvement that the Grecians had in the play-offs the previous season.

So £4.2m will be very welcome to them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 10, 2020, 06:22:08 PM
6m on Premier League Fantasy Football? I'm having some of that.

He has joined Aguero and Kane in my top class 3 man forward line with Grealish backing them up from midfield.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Louzie0 on September 10, 2020, 06:48:27 PM
What a great signing for the Villa and a lovely young man, by the films I have seen about his personal support for the Exeter fans.

Welcome Ollie!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: pelty on September 10, 2020, 06:49:20 PM
Has anyone worked up some version of ďOliverís ArmyĒ to sing from the stands? Seems like it could be a good one...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: four fornicholl on September 10, 2020, 07:12:02 PM
My teenage daughter is already in love! Sure it was something to do with the reveal.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 10, 2020, 09:53:03 PM
How much would Exeter's annual budget be? Have we propped them up for another year while also paying for half of Brentford's new stadium? I hope they remember this altruism if we draw either of them in the cups.


Exeter City FC posted a loss of more than £700,000 for the year ending June 30, 2019, the clubís annual accounts have revealed.

Turnover for the period was £4,079,870, down 2.5 per cent on the prior year, which the club have put down to the involvement that the Grecians had in the play-offs the previous season.

So £4.2m will be very welcome to them.

Cheers. Incredible then, exceeds a year of revenue.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 10, 2020, 10:09:53 PM
Has he done the "delighted to be joining a massive club and I've always respected the gaffer and I want to show the fans what I'm capable of" interview yet?

Yes, pretty much word for word!

Has any player, for any club, ever given an interview on signing similar to the Mourinho arrival at Chelsea? As in "I'm special, I'll work hard, but you're lucky to have me"?

I'd love to see something like that!


The current Albion manager (whose name currently escapes me) did something similar when he was appointed. I'm obviously paraphrasing, but I remember something along of "yes, I'm lucky to be coming to such a great club. In truth, they're also lucky to have me."
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 11, 2020, 07:40:08 AM
Has anyone worked up some version of ďOliverís ArmyĒ to sing from the stands? Seems like it could be a good one...

Oliver Watkins is here to stay
Oliver Watkins will score all day
And I would rather be nowhere else when Oliver Watkins plays.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2020, 07:51:40 AM
Has anyone worked up some version of ďOliverís ArmyĒ to sing from the stands? Seems like it could be a good one...

Oliver Watkins is here to stay
Oliver Watkins will score all day
And I would rather be nowhere else when Oliver Watkins plays.

Please God no, I canít stand that song.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 11, 2020, 08:00:06 AM
Has anyone worked up some version of ďOliverís ArmyĒ to sing from the stands? Seems like it could be a good one...

Brend Watkins is here to say
Brend Watkins will sing  all day
And I would rather be anywhere  else if Brend Watkins stays
;)
Wo oh oh oh o
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Laurence on September 11, 2020, 09:03:53 AM
Love the Woody story, welcome Ollie, love you already!   
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 11, 2020, 11:35:39 AM
That must be a record even for here. Two lines that cover world football, European football, songs, the FA Cup, Brexit and Covid-19.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 11, 2020, 03:48:36 PM
Shirt Number 11 confirmed
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 11, 2020, 03:53:49 PM
Marvelous toking the 19 shirt.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on September 11, 2020, 03:59:00 PM
Marvelous toking the 19 shirt.

If he's toking on a shirt I can't imagine he'll be feeling marvelous.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 11, 2020, 04:00:33 PM
Told him to leave Marvelous alone! ;)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 11, 2020, 05:45:21 PM
Marvelous toking the 19 shirt.
He's a joker.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on September 11, 2020, 05:54:09 PM
Deleted.....cocked up my quotes on damn phone
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 15, 2020, 11:50:04 PM
V burton could have more than his solitary goal and great to see a proper striker for us .
He took his goal with ease but missed a very easy chance.
Think he'll be fine and hoping for the 15+ goals this season
Well played ollie
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on September 15, 2020, 11:57:08 PM
He has a habit of finding space and being exactly where you want to be when the ball comes into the box.

Traore has an excellent cross success rate in Ligue 1, so hopefully Watkins benefits. I like him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 16, 2020, 08:58:39 AM
Looks very promising. Took his goal with ease and seemed quite nonchalant afterwards. It was his first competitive game this season so give him a chance. If he scores 1 out of every 2 chances per match Iíll be more than happy.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2020, 09:03:15 AM
He reminded me so much of Tammy. I think he's going to score quite a few goals for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2020, 09:03:37 AM
V burton could have more than his solitary goal and great to see a proper striker for us .
He took his goal with ease but missed a very easy chance.
Think he'll be fine and hoping for the 15+ goals this season
Well played ollie

Same as in the friendly against Man U.  Scored a good goal, and then missed a bit of a sitter.  It shows he's getting into the right positions though, and his finishing will improve at this level as he plays more.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rob_bridge on September 16, 2020, 09:04:18 AM
If we can get 12+ goals from him and Wesley comes back and hit something 8-10 which he would have comfortably done then that is a decent basis. jack, McGrinn, Trez half a dozen each
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: boozey182 on September 16, 2020, 09:28:16 AM
What I like about Watkins' goals so far is that for both the commentator has said something along the lines of "he won't get an easier finish than that all season". It's exactly what we were missing last year - someone with the intelligence and speed to get on the end of those balls.

He'll score plenty with decent service, I have no concerns about him at all. Having said that, I think he'll end up playing on the wing a fair bit as the season goes on. Nothing more than a hunch, but I reckon we're still after a Tammy/Edouard type to play as our number 9.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 16, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
Nothing more than a hunch, but I reckon we're still after a Tammy/Edouard type to play as our number 9.

Watkins is very similar to Tammy. Put the ball in the 6 yard box and he's on it. Edouard is more like Benteke (Villa version), he can score all types of goals from all over the pitch. I'd love us to sign him. He's the right age and think he'll go on to be a top striker.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on September 16, 2020, 09:41:50 AM
I've said it before but it really wouldn't surprise me if, at times, we see Grelaish as a 10 with 2 wide strikers in front of him, Watkins, Traore, Wesley and Davis would all work in those roles and Rashica would be a good alternative at 10 as well. Add a midfielder who can run beyond the 10 and get into the box (which is what Ramsey has done for years at age group level and he seems to be right in the mix this season) and you have good approximation of how Liverpool setup and I've thought for a long time that Smith is trying to take us in that direction.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 16, 2020, 09:45:35 AM
He cost me last night!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 16, 2020, 11:01:33 AM
I've said it before but it really wouldn't surprise me if, at times, we see Grelaish as a 10 with 2 wide strikers in front of him, Watkins, Traore, Wesley and Davis would all work in those roles and Rashica would be a good alternative at 10 as well. Add a midfielder who can run beyond the 10 and get into the box (which is what Ramsey has done for years at age group level and he seems to be right in the mix this season) and you have good approximation of how Liverpool setup and I've thought for a long time that Smith is trying to take us in that direction.

I think we're trying to set-up like Liverpool too.

With Watkins' goal there were 2 players who had gone into good positions. Watkins and Ramsey, who could have easily been on the end of the cross. Last season we probably wouldn't have had anyone in the box. The 2 that were weren't part of the first team last season.

Did anyone else notice that with the one where Watkins hit the bar, the ball took a small bobble right before he hit it?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: john e on September 16, 2020, 12:51:06 PM
He reminded me so much of Tammy. I think he's going to score quite a few goals for us.

yes i agree very similar
and that's no bad thing

and like Tammy he will score a plenty miss plenty but overall we will have a much greater attacking threat with him at the front of it
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2020, 12:54:11 PM
I can see a lot of low crosses and Ollie sliding in for a few scrappy ones. Tammy was great at getting on the end of similar deliveries.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 16, 2020, 01:02:39 PM
I think the ability to get into the position to score is absolutely critical. Great to see his movement.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: exigo on September 16, 2020, 01:17:29 PM
20 tap-ins this season will do us just fine.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ger Regan on September 16, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
He's very quick too, isn't he? At least compared to our other options up front he is.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
He's very quick too, isn't he? At least compared to our other options up front he is.

Quicker than Concrete Boots Wesley, Wading Through Treacle Trezeguet or Is He Actually Moving El Ghazi?  I refuse to believe it!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villafirst on September 16, 2020, 07:16:13 PM
He's very quick too, isn't he? At least compared to our other options up front he is.

Quicker than Concrete Boots Wesley, Wading Through Treacle Trezeguet or Is He Actually Moving El Ghazi?  I refuse to believe it!

El Ghazi used to have a decent turn of pace. What happened to that? His confidence looks shot, terrible ball retention and rubbish corner kicks. Why didn't DS take him off at Half-time?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: enigma on September 16, 2020, 07:29:33 PM
He cost me last night!
Yep. Annoyed he got taken off with 20 minutes to go!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2020, 04:44:58 PM
Does our Ollie normally take penalties?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2020, 04:51:28 PM
No
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2020, 04:56:10 PM
Wheres Marcus Stewart of Ipswich and Kevin Phillips (Sunderland days) in your lists, Footy? Didn't they pwn the Prem in the early years of the nu millenia ?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
No
okay, thx.
Given the number of penalties being awarded and reflecting on Ayew's wholly-inept effort yesterday I hope that Smith has given dome focus on this. I'm not sure who our established penalty-taker is: i don't recall us winning many last season (Wes took one and missed at Naaarrrich).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2020, 05:28:05 PM
No
okay, thx.
Given the number of penalties being awarded and reflecting on Ayew's wholly-inept effort yesterday I hope that Smith has given dome focus on this. I'm not sure who our established penalty-taker is: i don't recall us winning many last season (Wes took one and missed at Naaarrrich).

I think Hourihane, if he's on the pitch, should take them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2020, 05:57:03 PM
No
okay, thx.
Given the number of penalties being awarded and reflecting on Ayew's wholly-inept effort yesterday I hope that Smith has given dome focus on this. I'm not sure who our established penalty-taker is: i don't recall us winning many last season (Wes took one and missed at Naaarrrich).

I think Hourihane, if he's on the pitch, should take them.
Presumably, he won't be in the starting 11 often, so it needs more than him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 20, 2020, 06:23:51 PM
I'd definitely give them to Ollie but think Jack will be our penalty taker this year.

Centre forwards should always want to take penalties to my mind, and be allowed to unless there's an obviously outstanding candidate with a great record somewhere else in the team. If you don't back yourself to score one on one with the keeper as a striker and get an easy 3 or 4 goals (or 15 if you play for United) in a season, there's surely something wrong with your confidence. I vaguely remember one of our strikers years ago, maybe Julian Joachim, saying he didn't like taking them and thought it was a bit odd.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 20, 2020, 06:37:05 PM
Unfortunately I can see Jack missing some. Would rather have someone who you would bet you're house on them putting it away.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Bad English on September 20, 2020, 08:30:12 PM
I wonder how much time is dedicated to taking penalties at BMH. Either at team level or by individual players. I'd like to think that Jack and others stay behind ŗ la Beckham or Ladyboy to hone their skills.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 21, 2020, 03:40:35 AM
The clamp down yesterday, with De Gea moving a fraction off his line , must really favour penalty takers this season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sid1964 on September 21, 2020, 07:39:08 AM
it will be interesting to see how he does tonight against a couple of tough centre halfs
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ozzjim on September 21, 2020, 07:45:14 AM
He has really good movement. I think he will be fine.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: AV82EC on September 21, 2020, 07:50:16 AM
it will be interesting to see how he does tonight against a couple of tough centre halfs

A couple? Donít Sheff U play with 3?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: fbriai on September 21, 2020, 07:54:49 AM
The clamp down yesterday, with De Gea moving a fraction off his line , must really favour penalty takers this season.

I think you are right in general, but watching Ayew's and Jorginho's penalties over the weekend, I think the new rule may actually work against players who do these stupid run-ups and then side-foot the ball into one of the corners. That works fine if they keeper has already made up his mind and gone bundling off his line in one direction or the other, but they are now moving later, giving them a fraction of a second more time to see where the ball is going.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 10:54:32 AM
I'd definitely give them to Ollie but think Jack will be our penalty taker this year.

Centre forwards should always want to take penalties to my mind, and be allowed to unless there's an obviously outstanding candidate with a great record somewhere else in the team. If you don't back yourself to score one on one with the keeper as a striker and get an easy 3 or 4 goals (or 15 if you play for United) in a season, there's surely something wrong with your confidence. I vaguely remember one of our strikers years ago, maybe Julian Joachim, saying he didn't like taking them and thought it was a bit odd.

I know what you mean but I think I prefer it for pens taken elsewhere in the team. A miss could really hurt confidence for a striker as the expectation is there. Watkins would be far better anticipating a rebound to finish it than anyone else too.

I'd give them to Grealish or SJM but Traore may fancy it too...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 10:57:29 AM
I'd definitely give them to Ollie but think Jack will be our penalty taker this year.

Centre forwards should always want to take penalties to my mind, and be allowed to unless there's an obviously outstanding candidate with a great record somewhere else in the team. If you don't back yourself to score one on one with the keeper as a striker and get an easy 3 or 4 goals (or 15 if you play for United) in a season, there's surely something wrong with your confidence. I vaguely remember one of our strikers years ago, maybe Julian Joachim, saying he didn't like taking them and thought it was a bit odd.

I know what you mean but I think I prefer it for pens taken elsewhere in the team. A miss could really hurt confidence for a striker as the expectation is there. Watkins would be far better anticipating a rebound to finish it than anyone else too.

I'd give them to Grealish or SJM but Traore may fancy it too...

Luiz can leather a ball, I'd maybe give him a try.  Expect it'll be Jack though.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 10:58:28 AM
I'd definitely give them to Ollie but think Jack will be our penalty taker this year.

Centre forwards should always want to take penalties to my mind, and be allowed to unless there's an obviously outstanding candidate with a great record somewhere else in the team. If you don't back yourself to score one on one with the keeper as a striker and get an easy 3 or 4 goals (or 15 if you play for United) in a season, there's surely something wrong with your confidence. I vaguely remember one of our strikers years ago, maybe Julian Joachim, saying he didn't like taking them and thought it was a bit odd.

I know what you mean but I think I prefer it for pens taken elsewhere in the team. A miss could really hurt confidence for a striker as the expectation is there. Watkins would be far better anticipating a rebound to finish it than anyone else too.

I'd give them to Grealish or SJM but Traore may fancy it too...

Luiz can leather a ball, I'd maybe give him a try.  Expect it'll be Jack though.

True. And agreed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on September 21, 2020, 08:34:32 PM
I thought Ollie did well tonight.  Some nice movement and a quick enough turn of pace.  Would have got on the end of the Minger punt. Lovely effort towards the end of the game.  Will be just as comfy out wide too.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 21, 2020, 08:38:10 PM
May not have scored but still contributed to our play. Useful to know that if we need a goal, we can move him out wide.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 21, 2020, 08:38:33 PM
Like him a lot. I can see why Deano wanted him, he ticks all the boxes
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on September 21, 2020, 08:40:18 PM
Thought he did okay. must be already pining for the service he got at Brentford though.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on September 21, 2020, 08:43:32 PM
I like Ollie, he looks very assured and he looks brave enough to throw himself into the box. Unlucky with his effort.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 21, 2020, 09:20:30 PM
Thought he did well. Tough game against 10 men of Sheffield Utd.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 10:08:58 PM
Thought he did okay. must be already pining for the service he got at Brentford though.

Rubbish.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: exigo on September 21, 2020, 10:09:50 PM
it will be interesting to see how he does tonight against a couple of tough centre halfs

A couple? Donít Sheff U play with 3?

About seven at last count.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on September 21, 2020, 10:11:06 PM
Did well against Egan that time. But one shot aside thought his touch and movement were poor. Very easily snuffed out by Sheff Utd's defence. Maybe could have moved to left wing for a bit to get into the game. Not much space to run into tonight and Grealish and himself were on different wavelengths. That will come.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: andyh on September 21, 2020, 10:11:43 PM
No service whatsoever and still managed to fashion a couple of decent efforts on goal.
Heíll be ok.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on September 21, 2020, 10:25:13 PM
Thought he did okay. must be already pining for the service he got at Brentford though.

Rubbish.

Really? You thought he had loads of chances created for him then?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on September 21, 2020, 10:28:11 PM
Thought he did okay. must be already pining for the service he got at Brentford though.

Rubbish.

Really? You thought he had loads of chances created for him then?
I'm sure he'd rather be playing for Villa than Brentford.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on September 21, 2020, 10:30:23 PM
well obviously, but he was basically living off scraps tonight or what he could create himself
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on September 21, 2020, 11:10:13 PM
He's playing in the Premier League now. He payed against the 4th best defence in the country. I'm sure he's satisfied with his lot.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on September 21, 2020, 11:42:12 PM
The curling shot was decent but I saw a positive in the 2nd half when we worked an opening on the right, not much was going on in the box but he had the instinct to get infront of his marker quickly as Trez whipped a ball in, unfortunately it took a slight deflectiin and Ollie couldnt quite stretch to reach it but that quick instinctive movement will see him score a few I reckon/Hope.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: richtheholtender on September 22, 2020, 12:23:49 AM
Very impressed with him
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Matt C on September 22, 2020, 03:01:16 AM
Thought he played well. Smart runs, made a nuisance of himself and once he gets on the smart wavelength as more of those around him heíll be a real threat.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sid1964 on September 22, 2020, 07:31:41 AM
i thought that he lacked the physical presence when he was playing as a centre forward, and came more into the game once Davies came on and he played wider
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 22, 2020, 07:33:34 AM
Watkins will work if we get the ball in behind or give him good service. A lot of ball to feet and he won't get many goals.

Hopefully we don't ruin this striker, we've ruined a lot in the past.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: themossman on September 22, 2020, 08:19:12 AM
Looked like hard work for him last night but he remained a threat and showed moments of class like his late effort.

Heíll play in more expansive games than that, sheff Utd must be about as hard a game a striker could face, so hard to judge his reaction to the step up in quality of defenders yet.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 22, 2020, 08:20:30 AM
I thought he looked bright and efficient, he'll be a good 'un.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Axl Rose on September 22, 2020, 08:24:04 AM
I agree LeeB. He has an air of class about him, and is always looking to get on the end of things. Would like to see him as part of a front 2, also.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 22, 2020, 10:12:45 AM
He's going to love playing in front of a packed Villa Park (whenever that may be).

He just has that instinct that good strikers have.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 22, 2020, 11:17:36 AM
Very unlucky with that effort at the end but for a few inches.  He's good and will get better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 22, 2020, 06:59:54 PM
Very Darren Bent-ish last night.  If he maintains that strikersí instinct and adds a bit elsewhere weíll have a gem on our hands.  Big IF, I guess, but a positive start.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on September 23, 2020, 09:45:39 AM
I thought he played well he's going to score goals for us that's for sure.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 23, 2020, 10:32:59 AM
Wheres Marcus Stewart of Ipswich and Kevin Phillips (Sunderland days) in your lists, Footy? Didn't they pwn the Prem in the early years of the nu millenia ?
They were just outside of the cut of point of last 20 or so seasons .

Shows us not many get 15+ premier league  goals in debut seasons
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2020, 09:25:36 PM
He's got two goals in three games albeit in the cup but I think he will score a lot more for us he's carried on where he left off last season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
He gets into key positions which is a great trait to have as a forward. He seems to just know where to be.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2020, 09:28:57 PM
I'm Rockin' Around With Ollie W.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
He gets into key positions which is a great trait to have as a forward. He seems to just know where to be.

I agree.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 24, 2020, 10:12:29 PM
He's got two goals in three games albeit in the cup but I think he will score a lot more for us he's carried on where he left off last season.

3 in 4 if you include the Manure friendly
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brian green on September 25, 2020, 08:09:05 AM
He is a natural, instinctive goal poacher the like of which we have not had since the days of Gary Shaw, Dwight Yorke and to slightly lesser degree Darren Bent.  He will do us well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on September 25, 2020, 11:56:02 AM
He is a natural, instinctive goal poacher the like of which we have not had since the days of Gary Shaw, Dwight Yorke and to slightly lesser degree Darren Bent.  He will do us well.

It's just so nice to see after years without it, just knowing your striker will be on the end of a loose ball is a great feeling.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 25, 2020, 12:07:59 PM
I liked the way he took his goal last night, letting the ball run across him, and using his left foot, when taking it with his right might have been the natural thing to have done.  It shows he is full of confidence and enjoying the challenge that comes with the step up.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: FatSam on September 25, 2020, 12:12:13 PM
I liked the way he took his goal last night, letting the ball run across him, and using his left foot, when taking it with his right might have been the natural thing to have done.  It shows he is full of confidence and enjoying the challenge that comes with the step up.
I agree, but he has probably played in the 3rd round of the Carabao Cup before. Letís see how he does in the EPL. Iím hopeful.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: mallo on September 25, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
He gets into key positions which is a great trait to have as a forward. He seems to just know where to be.

I agree.
I agree as well - he seems to find 2 yards all the time - that's why his Brentford goals look like tap ins - he's in the right place, which as has been proven by our last umpteen strikers it's not as simple as it looks.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 25, 2020, 12:32:35 PM
He gets into key positions which is a great trait to have as a forward. He seems to just know where to be.

I agree.
I agree as well - he seems to find 2 yards all the time - that's why his Brentford goals look like tap ins - he's in the right place, which as has been proven by our last umpteen strikers it's not as simple as it looks.

Platt was the absolute master at this, hence his incredible goal return from Midfield for us. Superb player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on September 25, 2020, 01:40:58 PM
I liked the way he took his goal last night, letting the ball run across him, and using his left foot, when taking it with his right might have been the natural thing to have done.  It shows he is full of confidence and enjoying the challenge that comes with the step up.
I agree, but he has probably played in the 3rd round of the Carabao Cup before. Letís see how he does in the EPL. Iím hopeful.
He started the move & finished with a goal. Be happy brother.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ktvillan on September 25, 2020, 02:52:41 PM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs ae excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

If I'm being hyper-critical, he had three very good chances last night and converted one - I doubt he'll get three clear chances per game in the PL that often.  It may be he wasn't quite up to speed or tuned in having come on late.

Also for one of them he could have laid it off to Trez who was better positioned and wide open - but I'd say that's a sign of a striker's natural desire to hit the net and back himself  (aside from the fact that a ball to Trez is too often a wasted one).   

I'm confident he'll get  a decent return of goals for us based on what I've seen so far.   
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 25, 2020, 03:53:06 PM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs are excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

Cracking explanation here as to how Ollie developed by his manager at Exeter (apologies if it's been posted before):

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on September 25, 2020, 04:32:22 PM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs are excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

Cracking explanation here as to how Ollie developed by his manager at Exeter (apologies if it's been posted before):



That's ace, I love that.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: The Charmer on September 25, 2020, 05:02:11 PM
Me too. Liked the way Paul Tisdale came across as well.

Hearing about the tweaks and changes to the game of, what he admits, was already a promising young player was really interesting.
Even better, he's now at the Villa and seems to have the character and attitude to do something very special.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2020, 05:13:11 PM
There's a lot of young players who would benefit from watching that video.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 25, 2020, 05:42:00 PM
A few managers and coaches too I'm sure.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on September 25, 2020, 06:30:39 PM
There's a lot of young players who would benefit from watching that video.
Like Keinan?!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: oldtimernow on September 25, 2020, 07:12:57 PM
I think we could do a lot worse than get that guy on board.

Compare with Steve Bruce...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: supertom on September 25, 2020, 08:33:00 PM
He's got a touch of the Darren Bent about him. He just has a knack of being in the right place/time (he must be a nightmare to try and tract as a defender). I'd say thus far he looks as if his all round play/link up might be better too, and potentially that's the benefit of having played wide before. I'm impressed so far. Fancy him to net against Fulham, who look very suspect defensively.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: JD on September 26, 2020, 09:51:29 AM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs are excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

Cracking explanation here as to how Ollie developed by his manager at Exeter (apologies if it's been posted before):



Thanks Mark that's a great post.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 26, 2020, 10:07:34 AM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs are excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

Cracking explanation here as to how Ollie developed by his manager at Exeter (apologies if it's been posted before):



Thanks Mark that's a great post.


Hadnít seen this before. What a great bit of coaching.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on September 26, 2020, 10:41:04 AM
I think he looks very promising and capable, his runs are excellent and he finds space where others can't.   

Cracking explanation here as to how Ollie developed by his manager at Exeter (apologies if it's been posted before):



Thanks Mark that's a great post.


Hadnít seen this before. What a great bit of coaching.
Just watched it myself - brilliant post. Like that Paul Tilsdale chap, comes across as a really good coach.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on September 26, 2020, 10:58:04 AM
Great stuff. I like that he says it's about assuming they've got those basics about where to stand, where to run in their position etc before finding a way to give them back their natural spontaneity.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: manic-road on October 04, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
First half hatrick against Pool, incredible.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 04, 2020, 09:12:31 PM
Brilliant
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Smithy on October 04, 2020, 09:15:36 PM
First half hatrick against Pool, incredible.

Correction, first-half PERFECT hat-trick against the Champions...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on October 04, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
What a player we have, love him
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on October 04, 2020, 09:16:29 PM
Reminded me of Defoe today.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 04, 2020, 09:16:47 PM
Just outstanding. This weekend as I watched some of the forwards on other teams (that realistically we will compete with for a mid table spot), I honestly didn't know if we had a Calvert-Lewin or Ings or Raul etc. Fuck this lad is every bit as good. Just fucking awesome today. He tore to shreds a current England CB
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on October 04, 2020, 09:26:52 PM
Never in doubt.
Disappointed he didn't score the one-on-one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on October 04, 2020, 09:29:13 PM
Couldve had 5. His running, dropping, going wide, coming short, over the top, holding up confused the fuck out of them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on October 04, 2020, 09:30:44 PM
In his post match interview, he said he should have done better for the one on one and needs to improve! We have a jewel here
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 04, 2020, 09:33:02 PM
Fabulous player. Pacy and mobile. We've struck gold. With players like Jack, SJM and Barkley this kid will fill his boots.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 04, 2020, 09:41:30 PM
I wanted him in when we were linked but I thought he'd be one who needed easing in - some cameos from the bench, one for the future etc. Instead, we've only gone and got ourselves a proper line-leading Premier League striker. And I love the attitude of being pissed off with himself at the chance he missed instead of dwelling on the three he scored. He's going to get an absolute bagful for us, defenders must hate playing against him - he's a proper pain in the arse who never gives them a second's peace. Outstanding.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: supertom on October 04, 2020, 09:43:44 PM
He'd already impressed me without scoring, but today he got the goals his work so far had deserved. I did worry he might just be a poacher and not much else but he's very good all round, has a bit of nous, works the channels well and reads Jack very well. I think he'll hit 20 this season. He'll make a few too and I think there's a certain benefit he has from having been a wideman before. I guess like Henry. If he's half as good as Thierry, he'll do alright.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 04, 2020, 09:45:26 PM
You look at his stature and struggle to see how he's going to cope physically against big centre halves, yet somehow he wins a very high proportion of high balls and recycles possession really efficiently.

We've got a gem on our hands, by the look of it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 04, 2020, 09:50:25 PM
I know it's probably a technical impossibility, but I think he's bigger than he looks.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2020, 09:54:11 PM
I didn't realise he was as quick as he is.  Rapid.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 04, 2020, 09:54:55 PM
One of the best debuts I've seen.  Right up there with Stan.

Edit:  I meant that to go on the Ross Barkley thread.  But what the fuck, let's spread the love.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on October 04, 2020, 09:55:51 PM
Heís very deceiving in that he looks small and lightweight but heís so strong. I noticed against Fulham and again tonight. Clever player, quick, strong, a proper centre forward.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 04, 2020, 09:55:56 PM
One of the best debuts I've seen.  Right up there with Stan.

And Didier Six.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on October 04, 2020, 10:01:18 PM
You look at his stature and struggle to see how he's going to cope physically against big centre halves, yet somehow he wins a very high proportion of high balls and recycles possession really efficiently.

We've got a gem on our hands, by the look of it.

it's because he jumps really well, gets up early, loads of height and hangs there for a moment.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: robleflaneur on October 04, 2020, 10:09:23 PM
He never stops and  apart from picking up possession,he frequently finds space in the box.A nightmare for defenders.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Smithy on October 04, 2020, 10:14:33 PM
I love his work rate.  He's very difficult to defend against, as Klopp mentioned, because he can do a bit of everything.

I also loved the tinge of disappointment for missing his 1-on-1 in his post-match interview - That drive to improve and do better will take him up to even higher performance levels.

I think he's going to score a lot of goals for us...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 04, 2020, 10:18:25 PM
He'd already impressed me without scoring, but today he got the goals his work so far had deserved. I did worry he might just be a poacher and not much else but he's very good all round, has a bit of nous, works the channels well and reads Jack very well. I think he'll hit 20 this season. He'll make a few too and I think there's a certain benefit he has from having been a wideman before. I guess like Henry. If he's half as good as Thierry, he'll do alright.

I previously said he looked like Bent on this thread but today he looked better.  Held up the ball and looked like he could beat a defender.  Fingers crossed he is the complete forward, the signs are good (caveat, we just won 7-2).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on October 04, 2020, 10:27:23 PM
There's an efficiency about his play that's really impressed me from the off, this lad is going right to the top. With us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 04, 2020, 10:32:04 PM
According to the Beeb, Klopp was mentioned him when speaking about us.

Quote
[Ollie] Watkins wow
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: garyfouroaks on October 04, 2020, 10:32:15 PM
i thought that he eased up a bit in the second half
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ColinMac on October 04, 2020, 10:34:34 PM
One of the best debuts I've seen.  Right up there with Stan.

And Didier Six.

Not a patch on This debut against Norwich
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2020, 10:34:50 PM
There's an efficiency about his play that's really impressed me from the off, this lad is going right to the top. With us.

He looks like he genuinely could play anywhere in the front three.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ColinMac on October 04, 2020, 10:37:31 PM
Watkins gives us pace, strength and an outball.. he stretches the opposition defence, he's a Gabby before he bulked up, once Wesley is fit he better get used to sitting on the bench 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: richtheholtender on October 04, 2020, 10:51:43 PM
Heís the player gabby should have been
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aj2k77 on October 04, 2020, 10:53:35 PM
Brilliant kid, brilliant.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 04, 2020, 10:58:50 PM
Heís OK is suppose.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tomd2103 on October 04, 2020, 10:59:28 PM
Watkins gives us pace, strength and an outball.. he stretches the opposition defence, he's a Gabby before he bulked up, once Wesley is fit he better get used to sitting on the bench

Trying to not get too carried away after that performance from him, but goals aside, think his work-rate has been really impressive.

When it went to 5-2 and another goal for them might have changed the complexion of the game, he scrapped really hard to hold the ball up a couple of times and it just took a bit of pressure off.

His second goal was superb.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 04, 2020, 11:06:07 PM
Watkins gives us pace, strength and an outball.. he stretches the opposition defence, he's a Gabby before he bulked up, once Wesley is fit he better get used to sitting on the bench

Trying to not get too carried away after that performance from him, but goals aside, think his work-rate has been really impressive.

When it went to 5-2 and another goal for them might have changed the complexion of the game, he scrapped really hard to hold the ball up a couple of times and it just took a bit of pressure off.

His second goal was superb.

TBF, all three were class. First one his pressure forced the error and then he knew he had time to take a touch and put it in. Other strikers could have tried hitting it first time and screwed it up.
The second with the link up play and then the run and the last the header, had such power and precision that even if the keeper was well positioned it wouldn't have been stopped. A perfect hat trick as well.

And as Shearer pointed out a perfect Hat trick.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on October 04, 2020, 11:06:40 PM
I was most impressed by how much of a bully he is. He moves defenders around, hits space, knows where the back of the net is, but physically he competes too. Absolutely bullied van Dijk and Gomez.

He looks to be a really good prospect.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on October 04, 2020, 11:08:30 PM
Understand the Gabby comparisons but really, his technique is a billion times better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2020, 11:12:10 PM
He equalled Gabby's goal tally in his last three seasons in one game.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on October 04, 2020, 11:18:20 PM
I was most impressed by how much of a bully he is. He moves defenders around, hits space, knows where the back of the net is, but physically he competes too. Absolutely bullied van Dijk and Gomez.

He looks to be a really good prospect.

This.  He looks like a really good prospect.  Good movement and upper body strength.  I like the way he tells himself off when he misses a chance.  Sounds like a really humble and eager to please young man. Quality acquisition, looks a snip.  5 goals already?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 04, 2020, 11:22:49 PM
And could almost have been in double figures already as well. Also remember Grealish has four as well. Two players on the way to 20 in the season hopefully.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tomd2103 on October 05, 2020, 12:00:33 AM
I was most impressed by how much of a bully he is. He moves defenders around, hits space, knows where the back of the net is, but physically he competes too. Absolutely bullied van Dijk and Gomez.

He looks to be a really good prospect.

There was one passage of play in the second half where the ball got played down the line and van Dijk got their first and was heading back towards his own goal.  Instead of giving it up as a lost cause and dropping off, Watkins chased him down and forced him to put the ball out, getting us a throw in deep in their half. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 05, 2020, 12:08:26 AM
He's got two goals in three games albeit in the cup but I think he will score a lot more for us he's carried on where he left off last season.

3 in 4 if you include the Manure friendly

2 down 18 to go for 20 in goals in all comps.
Looks quite the goal scorer and hoping he flourish against Fulham Monday after his poor show in Play Off final against them.

My Forecast for Premier league goals is set at 11-14 goals 
That's based on solid research. So is most likely around this figure. (If not more! But provisos number of minutes for the season)

In the premier league.
Anything above is outstanding on a debut season .15+ goals is rare occurrence debut or otherwise
Anything below 11 is underwhelming.
Provided he is our main striker.

And providing he plays a decent amount of 30+ games

Superb hat trick tonight.
Perfect .
Dream land.

So that's 5 goals 15 to go for 20 in all comps.

3 goals premier league with the fantastic hat trick and as he said it could have been 4 or 5
Love this guy's attitude and sheer team play . Great Instincts and just loves Deano.
So happy he's our main man and very good things are happening !

Bravo Ollie Bravo!
Well on the way to hitting premier league goal targets
Superb man
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ozzjim on October 05, 2020, 12:14:34 AM
I was most impressed by how much of a bully he is. He moves defenders around, hits space, knows where the back of the net is, but physically he competes too. Absolutely bullied van Dijk and Gomez.

He looks to be a really good prospect.

There was one passage of play in the second half where the ball got played down the line and van Dijk got their first and was heading back towards his own goal.  Instead of giving it up as a lost cause and dropping off, Watkins chased him down and forced him to put the ball out, getting us a throw in deep in their half. 

Said earlier on that even without a goal tonight, Watkins was my man of the match. I have not seen a striker work the line, tirelessly harass defenders AND make the ball stick up top like that in a long, long time. He was truly exceptional tonight, and deserved 5-6 goals in the end. He has exceptional movement in the box too. Kid will score a lot of goals, but his overall play is  massive reason we can now spring out the way we do. We must find a suitable back up for him!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on October 05, 2020, 12:21:45 AM
What a player and what a performance from Ollie he's just brilliant.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on October 05, 2020, 01:22:53 AM
Employing my limited language skills to read the European papers' reports on the match (mainly just to see the numbers '7' and '2' surrounded by capitalised words of all kinds), I came across the description of Watkins in Sueddeutsche Zeitung as 'Villa-StŁrmer', which I fucking love.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: artvandelay on October 05, 2020, 01:24:02 AM
I don't want to piss on your chips but that literally means Villa Striker!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Monty on October 05, 2020, 01:25:21 AM
I don't want to piss on your chips but that literally means Villa Striker!

I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 05, 2020, 01:53:14 AM
I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.

No mention of a Villa-Blitzkrieg?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 05, 2020, 09:22:57 AM
Absolutely brilliant aground display. From start to finish he bullied Liverpool. Scored a perfect hat trick and Iíve got the feeling itís the first of many,

Ollie, Ollie, Ollie UTV !
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2020, 09:32:32 AM
He is a serious striker, Iím struggling to see a weakness. He has a strikerís instinct, great pace, great movement, he holds the ball up well and he can head it. He is some player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rory on October 05, 2020, 09:58:56 AM
Delighted for him. Is that 5 in 5, in all competitions? I've been really impressed with everything I've seen. Even when he doesn't score, he contributes to the team and appears to bring a lot of energy and enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on October 05, 2020, 10:48:49 AM
As someone who thought it was a huge risk paying 28m for a Championship striker I was starting to get a bit worried after 2 games, mainly with the confidence thing of not getting off the mark in the premiership. After last night I really can't see him not getting 15+ goals this season  which probably banishes any lingering worries about a relegation battle and solves a problem we haven't permanently fixed since Benteke. Better still, you can see him easily surpassing Benteke and a fair few others. Anyway, best not jinx him. He's adequate.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PGW on October 05, 2020, 10:51:18 AM
He is a serious striker, Iím struggling to see a weakness. He has a strikerís instinct, great pace, great movement, he holds the ball up well and he can head it. He is some player.
A younger Jamie Vardy
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Chris Smith on October 05, 2020, 11:01:38 AM
He is a serious striker, Iím struggling to see a weakness. He has a strikerís instinct, great pace, great movement, he holds the ball up well and he can head it. He is some player.

Agreed and on top of that he doesnít stop working, giving his markers no time to settle.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on October 05, 2020, 11:14:31 AM
Agree re work rate - he reminds me of Dean Saunders in that respect. Never stops.

His attitude looks spot in as well - reference his post match interview last night when he was humble and upset he didn't get more goals.

A great signing in the making.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: German James on October 05, 2020, 11:15:36 AM
I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.

No mention of a Villa-Blitzkrieg?
The headline on our local paper's report was "Aha! Herr Klopp! FŁr Sie, ist der Premierkrieg zu Ende! Hšnde hoch Schweinhund![sic] Gott im Himmel! Achtung: Spitfire!"
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 05, 2020, 11:48:44 AM
I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.

No mention of a Villa-Blitzkrieg?
The headline on our local paper's report was "Aha! Herr Klopp! FŁr Sie, ist der Premierkrieg zu Ende! Hšnde hoch Schweinhund![sic] Gott im Himmel! Achtung: Spitfire!"

What's that in English? "Never were so many goals scored by so few due to no Manť"?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on October 05, 2020, 11:50:38 AM
I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.

No mention of a Villa-Blitzkrieg?
The headline on our local paper's report was "Aha! Herr Klopp! FŁr Sie, ist der Premierkrieg zu Ende! Hšnde hoch Schweinhund![sic] Gott im Himmel! Achtung: Spitfire!"

What's that in English? "Never were so many goals scored by so few due to no Manť"?
Allisson was the big Miss for Liverpool
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on October 05, 2020, 12:27:31 PM
At one stage last night near the end he controlled a punt forward on his head. Any of you see that? He could do no wrong, well maybe the two missed sitters

Brilliant second goal, absolute class that was. Fast, strong, aggressive, good technical skills. Wesley is like a bad dream in comparison.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: usav on October 05, 2020, 12:50:47 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villa Lew on October 05, 2020, 01:01:20 PM
Perfect hat trick from a perfect striker, tremendously impressed with him yesterday. Not only is he a top striker, work rate excellent, despite not having a huge frame surprising how strong he is, holds the ball superbly.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Bad English on October 05, 2020, 01:19:38 PM
L'…quipe in France went with 'Liverpool : red with shame'.

Cheeky fuckers! There is no shame in being destroyed by a team of our quality and pedigree.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: KevinGage on October 05, 2020, 01:21:22 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)

Watkins himself, after the game.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 05, 2020, 01:24:49 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)
Sky Sports said so on their match report
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on October 05, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)

Watkins himself, after the game.

And he was still humble and articulate enough to say he was frustrated with himself for hitting the bar and missing the one on one. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sickbeggar on October 05, 2020, 01:39:29 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)

Watkins himself, after the game.

And he was still humble and articulate enough to say he was frustrated with himself for hitting the bar and missing the one on one.

Nah, the last two make it an even rarer feat - The Davis Hattrick
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: WilliamStanding on October 05, 2020, 01:41:54 PM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)

Watkins himself, after the game.

And he was still humble and articulate enough to say he was frustrated with himself for hitting the bar and missing the one on one.

Nah, the last two make it an even rarer feat - The Davis Hattrick

Funniest quote in a while.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rooboy316 on October 05, 2020, 01:55:28 PM
Thereís something about his form, particularly in the upper body, thatís very similar to Gabbyís sprinting technique.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: danno on October 05, 2020, 02:11:55 PM
Were we always signing him? Or was it a choice between him and Wilson?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Iamkmkm on October 05, 2020, 02:34:12 PM
Seems like a bargain, been with impressed with him evry time ive seen him play.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: TonyD on October 05, 2020, 09:41:12 PM
Him and Jack already have an understanding.  Could be a prolific partnership.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: supertom on October 05, 2020, 09:56:37 PM
I noticed on rewatching the MOTD highlights that his pressing and dispossessing lead to two of the other goals as well. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ktvillan on October 06, 2020, 12:30:10 AM
Watkins looks like he has pace, strength and intelligence, good on the floor and in the air.  VVD is a big unit but he bounced off Ollie once or twice.  Gomez looked lost.  If he has something that needs work it's when he's through one on one - he had a situation in one of the Caribou cup ties, maybe Bristol City, similar to the one on Sunday and shot too close to the keeper then as well.  Maybe needs to learn to give the keeper "the eyes" like Jack did when put through.   
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 06, 2020, 04:47:44 AM
Anyone mention the fact it was a perfect hattrick?  (left, right, head)

The last one by a Villa player was Gabby vs Man City.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on October 06, 2020, 06:54:49 AM
I did say limited! Bloody German, too much grammar; romance languages are more my speed.

Anyway, Villa-StŁrmer-had-a-stormer still sounds nice.

No mention of a Villa-Blitzkrieg?
The headline on our local paper's report was "Aha! Herr Klopp! FŁr Sie, ist der Premierkrieg zu Ende! Hšnde hoch Schweinhund![sic] Gott im Himmel! Achtung: Spitfire!"
Hehe.

Back on topic, I love Ollie Watkins. He's brilliant, seems a constant threat on the pitch and a lovely bloke off it. Struggling to think of a Villa side I'm my lifetime that I've liked as much as this one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tim on October 06, 2020, 09:05:21 AM

Back on topic, I love Ollie Watkins. He's brilliant, seems a constant threat on the pitch and a lovely bloke off it. Struggling to think of a Villa side I'm my lifetime that I've liked as much as this one.

I loved that he was so up for it against Liverpool - really positive, appeared to be enjoying himself and looked really settled already.
And yeah, the team as a whole looks great again. Been a while since that could be said but right now there's quality all over it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Stu on October 15, 2020, 02:02:07 PM
Article by Gregg Evans on Ollie:

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Ollie Watkins: the rise of Ďthe machineí

In Ollie Watkinsí first training session at Aston Villa those around him immediately recognised a player ready for the step up to the Premier League.

His hard, unselfish running was not lost on the defenders who came up against pace and power of a different kind. Captain Jack Grealish was licking his lips with anticipation after watching Watkinsí early movement both in and out of possession, while on the sidelines manager Dean Smith and his long-term assistant, Richard OíKelly, could see a different beast to the one they previously had at Brentford.

ďHe looked like a more mature and confident player right from the start,Ē Smith tells The Athletic. ďHe scored 26 goals last season and he believed he should have scored 36 as well which just shows he is not one who is going to rest on his laurels.Ē

Watkins, who sang Luther Vandrossís Never Too Much as his initiation song, backed up those early impressions in training by getting off to a flying start at Villa. After scoring in a pre-season friendly against Manchester United and then following it up with a goal on his debut against Burton Albion in the Carabao Cup, his perfect hat-trick in the 7-2 win over Liverpool in the last Premier League outing took his early tally to five goals in six games in all competitions.

Little over three weeks after that first training session, there was Watkins, standing under the Villa Park lights clutching onto the match ball for dear life. The chief executive Christian Purslow, the man who negotiated the record-breaking deal to bring him to the club for £28 million rising to a possible £33 million, was wrapping his arms around the striker as a global media scrum gathered.

His first words in reply to one question about his hat-trick was that he ďshould have had five goals rather than threeĒ. There was nothing cocky or arrogant about his tone. He is down to earth. This was an in-form Premier League striker living in the moment.

It wasnít always like this, though.

Ripping into the usually rock-solid defensive pairing of Virgil van Dijk and Joe Gomez and announcing himself on the global stage was the product of years of hard work.

That he recognises his previous times of struggle, and still has a never-ending desire to improve, will also keep him grounded.

In Watkinsí late teenage years at Exeter City, his game was in such a state that he still hadnít nailed down a position of preference or strength. He could play down the middle or out wide, but wasnít making any great gains. Those close to him speak about a defining period that helped shape his future, and also cement an early steeliness in his mindset.

Aged 18, he ditched the comfort of under-21 football at Exeter for a loan spell at Weston-super-Mare AFC, six divisions deep in the league pyramid.

Ryan Northmore, his manager at Weston, told The Times: ďWhen I had him, he had real superpowers, but he was too predictable to play against.Ē

Yet that loan spell, where he scored ten goals in 24 games, was the making of him. He returned to Exeter with a purpose and was rough and ready.  Not only had he shown courage to go and mix it with battled-hardened men, he also had the bumps and bruises to prove that he was up for the fight and worthy of consideration for the first-team.

After scraping onto a pre-season tour to Scotland in 2015 as the 24th man and the final pick, he didnít look back.

Kevin Nicholson, his under-18 coach at Exeter tells The Athletic: ďThe potential was always there for Ollie. However, he needed support, guidance and good coaching from the people at the club at that time to help him on his way to fulfilling that potential. His technical and physical attributes were impressive from day one of working with him but he needed help to improve his general game understanding at that time.

ďCredit should go to Paul Tisdale (manager) and Steve Perryman (director of football) for the work they did with Ollie at Exeter once he became a young professional with the first team.Ē

Tisdale worked tirelessly with Watkins, initially asking him to hustle more when playing in a wide position rather than simply waiting for the ball to come to him.

A slight tweak to his position at the back end of 2015 paid dividends. During his time at centre-forward he scored 25 goals in 74 games, earning him a move to Brentford.

It was here, in the Championship, where he took his game to a new level. None of it was left to chance, though, as one former staff member explained: ďOllie always wanted to know the areas where he could improve. He was a constant learner; always searching for ways he could better himself.Ē

Nicholson echoes such thoughts from his earlier years, adding: ďThrough the ups and downs, he never stopped believing in himself and his ability. He was prepared to work hard and he demanded honesty and feedback. He wanted to know what he was doing well and how he could build on it.Ē

Under Smith and OíKelly in his first season at Brentford, Watkins scored ten league goals and missed just one game. He chalked up another ten strikes in the following season but the majority of the goals came from cutting in from the flank or playing as a supporting striker.

Pre-season training would often make for interesting viewing when Watkins was involved as he consistently topped the charts for speed, stamina, high-intensity sprints and a stack of other metrics.

Brentfordís programme editor, Chris Deacon, tells The Athletic: ďOllie transformed himself into a physical specimen. Weíd call him a machine because it looked like he would set himself into third gear and then cruise along at the front while everyone else was blowing.Ē

Itís his blend of technical and physical attributes that have helped him settle into the Premier League with ease, but the 24-year-oldís sky-high confidence stems back to the start of last season.

It was when Brentfordís recognised No 9 Neal Maupay left for Brighton & Hove Albion that summer that those around Watkins sensed a coming of age. He took on the responsibility of becoming Brentfordís main source of goals and his hard work was rewarded with 26 strikes in return.

Coaching staff remember the early stages of that campaign where he asked for individual sessions to work on his movement and finishing to help him adjust to the change.

Watkins also dedicated time to improving his heading and the rewards could be seen in his performance for Villa against Fulham earlier this season where he dominated the defence.

It will come as a surprise to many that, among Premier League forwards, only Oli McBurnie (22) Andy Carroll (22) Dominic Calvert-Lewin (17) and Chris Wood (16) have won more headers then Watkins (15) this season. Maybe more telling is that, of those strikers, recognised for their aerial dominance, only Carroll (22 won, 10 lost) has a better win-to-lose ratio in headed duels.

Unwittingly, Watkins finds himself once again in a comparison contest with Fulhamís Aleksandar Mitrovic, the man who beat him to the top goalscorer award by a single goal last season, as both players have won and lost 15 headers a piece so far for their respective clubs and are seen as among the best in that particular category.

But such individuals battles are of little relevance to Watkins as one source said: ĒHe had no interest in what Mitrovic was doing last season,  it was more about how he could get the better of the defender he came up against.Ē

Itís that attention to detail before a match day that is maybe giving him an edge.

He studies forthcoming opponents religiously before games and knows exactly the type of defenders he is coming up against. Pre-match analysis is, of course, common across every professional league in the country, but Watkinsí preparation is as detailed and thorough as you can get.

If a defender has slipped up in the past, or made a mistake that could be repeated, Watkins will try to expose that weakness himself. The way he hassles defenders and stretches the backline with his clever and unselfish runs into the channels that create space for his team-mates also helps.

He will also know exactly how the opponents like to play, as well as their strengths and weaknesses, as he asks for additional clips from analysts to aid his preparation.

It was clear that Watkins had done his homework on Liverpool. Immediately after the win he told Sky Sports how the team as a collective targeted their opponentís high line. Deep down, heíd have also planned ways to unsettle Van Dijk and Gomez, although he remained respectful and humble enough to keep it private.

On top of his on-field qualities, thereís a likeable lad who receives glowing references from every club he has been at.

At Exeter his legacy lives on as they still show videos of their academy graduate to young players before training. A £4 million windfall from the deal that took him to Villa has also been well received.

Along with his goals, Brentford miss his cheeky smile, as well as his honesty and generosity as he always helped with charity events. The boy who parked himself in a modest apartment on the River Thames and shirked the lavish lifestyle of London after moving up from Devon will always be welcomed back with open arms.

There was never a change in his behaviour either as five clubs battled for his signature this summer. Watkins never let his standards drop. He was consistently friendly and engaging around the training ground right up until the day he cleared his locker to head up to Birmingham and complete his late-night move.

But itís at Villa where he is progressing now and thereís a belief that the record-signing is very much the real deal.

Watkinsí consistency in front of goal is special. Itís over 18 months since he went longer than three games without scoring a league goal and Smith confidently revealed his thoughts about the man he has now signed twice.

ďI have no doubts he will score goals for us this season and be a very much loved Aston Villa centre-forward,Ē he said.

The players feel the same too, and have noticed how he demands more from them in a measured but encouraging way.

He sets high standards and wants those around him to match up, but thatís nothing new; it has been the case since day one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 15, 2020, 03:37:59 PM
Cheers Stu. Luther Vandross? Bin him.

Seriously, the spell down the pyramid will have done him good and help keep him grounded. Look forward to seeing him play in the flesh.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 15, 2020, 03:38:07 PM
Is it just me or is Gregg Evans showing he actually is a decent journalist now he has left the Meaning?

But the main thing from that is that we seemed to have a hell of a person in Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on October 15, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
Cheers Stu. Luther Vandross? Bin him.

Seriously, the spell down the pyramid will have done him good and help keep him grounded. Look forward to seeing him play in the flesh.

Nooo, that's a top tune to attempt, it puts him even higher in my estimation. I bet he knocked it out of the park as well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 15, 2020, 04:00:22 PM
Prefer if he put it in the metaphorical back of the net though.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: chrisw1 on October 15, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
Is it just me or is Gregg Evans showing he actually is a decent journalist now he has left the Meaning?

But the main thing from that is that we seemed to have a hell of a person in Ollie.
He ok.  Better than a lot of people think and certainly not just a bitter Baggie as he often gets labelled.  With that said I think he gets shown up by other Athletic journalists and I've rarely seen him come out with any detailed insightful commentary on our tactics etc which the likes of TIFO etc and Football 365 produce.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 15, 2020, 08:41:06 PM
Great article.
On the way to being a Villa hero!
UTV!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy65 on October 15, 2020, 08:58:13 PM
Great article.
On the way to being a Villa hero!
UTV!

Just about to say the same thing. He is going to be a total hero at VP. Pace, power, great in the air and still way off his peak. Brilliant
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: KevinGage on October 15, 2020, 09:34:16 PM
Is it just me or is Gregg Evans showing he actually is a decent journalist now he has left the Meaning?

But the main thing from that is that we seemed to have a hell of a person in Ollie.

Not decent, but at least he seems to be getting original interviews now.

Rather than just rehashing whatever comes up in NewsNow and passing it off as his own work.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on October 15, 2020, 09:43:58 PM
Is it just me or is Gregg Evans showing he actually is a decent journalist now he has left the Meaning?

But the main thing from that is that we seemed to have a hell of a person in Ollie.

Not decent, but at least he seems to be getting original interviews now.

Rather than just rehashing whatever comes up in NewsNow and passing it off as his own work.
Its a bit of weird one for me. If I was lucky enough to be a football journalist being a Villa fan I couldn't imagine myself spending my life writing and watching the Albion..
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 15, 2020, 10:00:40 PM
Is it just me or is Gregg Evans showing he actually is a decent journalist now he has left the Meaning?

But the main thing from that is that we seemed to have a hell of a person in Ollie.

Not decent, but at least he seems to be getting original interviews now.

Rather than just rehashing whatever comes up in NewsNow and passing it off as his own work.
Its a bit of weird one for me. If I was lucky enough to be a football journalist being a Villa fan I couldn't imagine myself spending my life writing and watching the Albion..


Yes Ď they are shit Ď end of article 🤔😀
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Clive W on October 16, 2020, 09:25:15 PM
Apologies if itís been posted but a link to a DT article

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/16/ollie-watkins-interview-people-think-jump-championship-premier/

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SaddVillan on October 17, 2020, 12:39:43 PM
Despite Benrhama failing his  medical, West Ham still signed him on loan for £5m and are obliged to make the deal  permanent for £20m, plus £5m possible in add-ons. £30m in total

Villa signed Ollie Watkins for £28m, rising to £33m with possible add-ons.

Wonder who's got the better deal?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on October 17, 2020, 04:01:14 PM
Despite Benrhama failing his  medical, West Ham still signed him on loan for £5m and are obliged to make the deal  permanent for £20m, plus £5m possible in add-ons. £30m in total

Villa signed Ollie Watkins for £28m, rising to £33m with possible add-ons.

Wonder who's got the better deal?

Impossible to say before he's played a single minute for West Ham.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 17, 2020, 04:06:04 PM
I think both are very good players.

But, an out-and-out 15-20 per season goalscorer in the Premier is worth their weight in gold and Watkins certainly seems that he could be that so far albeit on the evidence of the few games we've had.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on October 17, 2020, 05:41:21 PM
Generations of footballers may come and go but their reassuringly ropey taste in music (Luther, Boyz II Men, Phil Collins et. al) shall always remain.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 17, 2020, 06:14:48 PM
Nearly 2 weeks without a goal, i'm not impressed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on October 17, 2020, 07:53:41 PM
Generations of footballers may come and go but their reassuringly ropey taste in music (Luther, Boyz II Men, Phil Collins et. al) shall always remain.

Luther does not belong in that list, a man of awesome talent.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on October 17, 2020, 08:33:42 PM
Generations of footballers may come and go but their reassuringly ropey taste in music (Luther, Boyz II Men, Phil Collins et. al) shall always remain.

Luther does not belong in that list, a man of awesome talent.

Aren't Boyz II Men Motown's best selling act ever?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 17, 2020, 08:35:05 PM
Despite Benrhama failing his  medical, West Ham still signed him on loan for £5m and are obliged to make the deal  permanent for £20m, plus £5m possible in add-ons. £30m in total

Villa signed Ollie Watkins for £28m, rising to £33m with possible add-ons.

Wonder who's got the better deal?

Impossible to say before he's played a single minute for West Ham.

Heíll be great. In fact both of them will be. Loved to have had them both.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on October 17, 2020, 11:19:58 PM
Generations of footballers may come and go but their reassuringly ropey taste in music (Luther, Boyz II Men, Phil Collins et. al) shall always remain.

Luther does not belong in that list, a man of awesome talent.

You're right. Love that old footage of Bowie trying out his plastic soul Young Americans era material with Vandross as a backing singer. Think he might have got a writing credit on that album too actually.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: CT on October 19, 2020, 08:04:36 PM
Thought Ollie battled well last night.

Was still getting in good positions despite it being a fairly quiet night overall.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on October 19, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
I agree CT.  He has a knack if pulling centre backs out of position and creating space for Jack and Barkley to move into.  Very smart forward.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2020, 09:59:51 AM
Great article here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54631445
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: olaftab on October 23, 2020, 10:27:58 AM
Thank you. Agree very good piece.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 23, 2020, 11:21:14 AM
Excellent article, thanks
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on October 23, 2020, 06:07:39 PM
Great read thanks for posting Mr Drummond.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 05:06:44 PM
This was discussed in the match thread, but I think Ollie, like Wesley before him, is ending up being too isolated. The team needs to be better at providing support. Heís got plenty of ability, but he needs the team to produce more.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 05:07:51 PM
This was discussed in the match thread, but I think Ollie, like Wesley before him, is ending up being too isolated. The team needs to be better at providing support. Heís got plenty of ability, but he needs the team to produce more.

It's another symptom of this awful two number eights formation. They aren't providing cover for Luiz not support for Watkins.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
He's full of effort and running, but he looks completely lost.  Not surprising really when Traore/Trez plus Barkley and McGinn are so anonymous, but he looks like a little lad playing in the big league.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2020, 05:33:24 PM
Stupid to play him so isolated.He must be tearing his hair out
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2020, 05:38:28 PM
I was thinking that we should have bought both him and Callum Wilson, in order to get the best out of him and reduce the pressure on him. Wilson loves dropping deep for the ball, creating space for a second striker i.e. Watkins. Maybe that is what they're hoping will happen when Wes returns.

Perhaps they should try Davis and Watkins together, with JG dropping inside and Barkley taking a turn on the bench.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 05:45:09 PM
Need to take something out of the second half I think, he drifted wider and started to get more involved. He did that at Brentford so it's something I'd like to see for half a game at least with Davis on.

I wanted Wilson and his start at Newcastle dosen't surprise me. Karlan Grant is another I'd have looked at. He took his goal for WBA well the other day.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 05:56:15 PM
We've done this to Wesley, Samatta and now Watkins. We have stop stupidly fucking belting it long from the back. That does my head in. And we have to play far more compactly. But it starts with launching it long which means the team can never start with a structured shape.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: chrisw1 on November 03, 2020, 09:14:30 AM
Panic over.  I was messing about with my fantasy team yesterday and accidentaly sold him (I'd been playing with some options and didn't realise I hadn't put him back when I made my transfers) so he's a cert for a hot scoring streak.  You can thank me later.

Martinez has shipped 7 goals since I bought him.  Sorry about that, no transfers left.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2020, 09:54:40 AM
We've done this to Wesley, Samatta and now Watkins. We have stop stupidly fucking belting it long from the back. That does my head in. And we have to play far more compactly. But it starts with launching it long which means the team can never start with a structured shape.

Yep, pisses me off too.  As soon as we have any sort of set back like going a goal behind, rather than sticking to our game plan, the likes of Mings gets a glazed look in his eyes, and starts hoofing it 50 yards to nobody in particular, rather than utilising the skills of McGinn, Luiz and Barkley etc.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 08, 2020, 09:09:06 PM
Superb performance tonight. Goals aside, I thought he led the line brilliantly.
And 6 in 7 😀
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: nigel on November 08, 2020, 09:10:41 PM
Looking a steal at £30m
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: curiousorange on November 08, 2020, 09:13:15 PM
Now this lad's a proper forward.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2020, 09:15:59 PM
Panic over.  I was messing about with my fantasy team yesterday and accidentaly sold him (I'd been playing with some options and didn't realise I hadn't put him back when I made my transfers) so he's a cert for a hot scoring streak.  You can thank me later.

Youíre welcome.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2020, 09:16:37 PM
Even before the goals, ran their defence to bits. Wide, deep, forward, they didnt know what to do.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Damo70 on November 08, 2020, 09:28:31 PM
Ollie admitted he was delighted to score at the Emirates because he is an Arsenal fan.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on November 08, 2020, 09:30:01 PM
Iím glad Risso isnít in charge, he was ready to haul him off right before his brace! ;)

Well done Ollie, took the goals superbly.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: The Edge on November 08, 2020, 09:33:47 PM
Fabulous lone striker performance from Ollie tonight. Absolutely thrilled to bits for the lad.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:34:33 PM
He's a brilliant forward I'm so glad we've got him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rougegorge on November 08, 2020, 09:35:36 PM
Iím glad Risso isnít in charge, he was ready to haul him off right before his brace! ;)

Well done Ollie, took the goals superbly.
He may go quiet for spells but he's new to this level, and he's got an eye for a goal and getting in good positions. I just hope he doesn't get injured as we don't have anyone comparable to bring on anyway.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:37:21 PM
He's took to the Premier League like a duck to water.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: The Charmer on November 08, 2020, 09:41:45 PM
I appreciate that we all see things differently, but I'm amazed that only 7 games in and some people question his ability / performance / contribution.

With a full season in the Premier League under his belt to build-up his experience and nous, we will have the striker we have longed for.

Love and cherish this boy.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 08, 2020, 09:42:24 PM
Proper Centre Forward display. Won loads of battles, good in the air, 2 great goals. Well done Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Deano's Mullet on November 08, 2020, 09:42:43 PM
Eight goals already, six in the league.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:43:40 PM
I appreciate that we all see things differently, but I'm amazed that only 7 games in and some people question his ability / performance / contribution.

With a full season in the Premier League under his belt to build-up his experience and nous, we will have the striker we have longed for.

Love and cherish this boy.



I totally agree with you.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:45:03 PM
Eight goals already, six in the league.

Exactly he's been brilliant for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2020, 09:50:18 PM
Iím glad Risso isnít in charge, he was ready to haul him off right before his brace! ;)

Well done Ollie, took the goals superbly.
He may go quiet for spells but he's new to this level, and he's got an eye for a goal and getting in good positions. I just hope he doesn't get injured as we don't have anyone comparable to bring on anyway.

Fair enough, but I maintain he was miles off first half.  A stat flashed up that he'd only touched the ball 8 times, and he must have given it away cheaply for 4 or 5 of those.

Brilliant after that, obvs!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on November 08, 2020, 09:50:19 PM
His goals were typical of the kind of goals he was scoring for Brentford - proper centre forward goals. Really happy to see him score goals like that because that's his game and it should be a sign of things to come.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2020, 09:50:21 PM
Iím glad Risso isnít in charge, he was ready to haul him off right before his brace! ;)

Well done Ollie, took the goals superbly.

To be fair to Risso...I thought Watkins touch was a bit ropey at times until the scoring burst late on. But physically he is well able for it, that Gabriel is a mountain of a man but Watkins gave him nothing easy. Two proper forward goals too. Such an uplift in quality from Wesley/Samatta/Davis and much more to come
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on November 08, 2020, 09:59:00 PM
Iím glad Risso isnít in charge, he was ready to haul him off right before his brace! ;)

Well done Ollie, took the goals superbly.
He may go quiet for spells but he's new to this level, and he's got an eye for a goal and getting in good positions. I just hope he doesn't get injured as we don't have anyone comparable to bring on anyway.

Fair enough, but I maintain he was miles off first half.  A stat flashed up that he'd only touched the ball 8 times, and he must have given it away cheaply for 4 or 5 of those.

Brilliant after that, obvs!
I think it was your timing Risso, it was right on queue for his first!

His hold up play was very good I thought, but you were right in saying he was loose with his passing a few times.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2020, 09:59:52 PM
Love both goals. The first is all about strikerís instinct, after brilliance from Douglas and Barkley. The second is great movement and a great finish.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2020, 10:01:29 PM
The first thing I saw as my Scorchio posted was Risso's comment posted 20 seconds earlier. It happens and is funny, and has happened to all of us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave shelley on November 08, 2020, 10:36:11 PM
As I posted in the post match thread, Ollie Watkins is going to be some player for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 08, 2020, 11:02:29 PM
As I posted in the post match thread, Ollie Watkins is some player for us.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Hillbilly on November 08, 2020, 11:07:53 PM
Reminds me a bit of Ian Wright. A bit of nuisance for defenders and knows how to nip in in front of defenders.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: curiousorange on November 08, 2020, 11:18:08 PM
He seems very realistic about his performances in his post match interviews. Kicked himself for not getting more against the Scousers, and recognising he only had two chances tonight. That attitude is going to take him to the top.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: usav on November 08, 2020, 11:55:51 PM
How many of those bullet headers from a couple of yards out does he have now?  I know itís more about the cross, but love thatís heís in there and not afraid to put his head where it hurts.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: VillaSpen on November 09, 2020, 04:32:14 AM
When he misses chances he just doesn't seem to let it bother him at all. We've had our share of strikers for whom the opposite was the case.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rooboy316 on November 09, 2020, 05:14:11 AM
He really grew into the game and showed some lovely control with his back to the goal in the second half. Made the ball stick a few times, which helped no end.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Axl Rose on November 09, 2020, 05:51:26 AM
He's a really good player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on November 09, 2020, 08:13:57 AM
I absolutely love Ollie Watkins, he's brilliant player, great attitude, and comes across as a good bloke off the pitch. He'll be wearing an England shirt come the end of the season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 09, 2020, 09:12:20 AM
The first thing I saw as my Scorchio posted was Risso's comment posted 20 seconds earlier. It happens and is funny, and has happened to all of us.

Yeah keep up the good work mate
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: The Edge on November 09, 2020, 09:29:40 AM
Love both goals. The first is all about strikerís instinct, after brilliance from Douglas and Barkley. The second is great movement and a great finish.
His second goal had me jumping in the air! Lightning quick throw out from Martinez a run from Jack that was him at his best,he glides across the pitch with the ball under tight control, and just before he laid it off an Arsenal player literally bounced off him. Then Ollie just hammered it home. The Arsenal players just looked at each other with a distinct air of "what the fuck just happened"
Marvellous, wonderful, joyous moment in my (long) history of watching the Villa.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave shelley on November 09, 2020, 10:33:30 AM
I've been fortunate enough to see some glorious centre-forwards/strikers play for the Villa in my time and this lad has all the attributes to be right up there with them if he maintains this level of progress.  I'm trying not to get too carried away but it's difficult.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 09, 2020, 10:44:23 AM
Agree dave,  that 2nd goal was so Andy Grayesque. When was the last time we had someone who could get themselves in that position and throw themselves at the ball?  Not since Andy Gray I think.  Little wonder that Shearer was so gushing about us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave shelley on November 09, 2020, 10:53:50 AM
How's the leg Brend'?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2020, 10:56:56 AM
Strikers often have quiet periods in games, the key is that they are there when it matters and their instinct, training and practice kicks in.

This lad does the training and work and just has the instinct. And he's only 24.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 09, 2020, 11:01:03 AM
How's the leg Brend'?

Still in pain but improving day on day.  The drugs do work thankfully.  Funnily enough for 90 minutes yesterday evening I forgot all about it.  Thanks to the Villa.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2020, 11:56:00 AM
Love both goals. The first is all about strikerís instinct, after brilliance from Douglas and Barkley. The second is great movement and a great finish.
His second goal had me jumping in the air! Lightning quick throw out from Martinez a run from Jack that was him at his best,he glides across the pitch with the ball under tight control, and just before he laid it off an Arsenal player literally bounced off him. Then Ollie just hammered it home. The Arsenal players just looked at each other with a distinct air of "what the fuck just happened"
Marvellous, wonderful, joyous moment in my (long) history of watching the Villa.

I think that's one of the best goals we've ever scored.  Brilliant reading of the game from Martinez, before some of the best play from Grealish that encapsulated everything that is good about him.  Superb finish from Ollie, I can't stop watching it this morning.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on November 09, 2020, 12:48:30 PM
The 3rd goal was pure porn but his header was the one I liked, he's scored 5 goals from those type of positions already (3 almost identical headers). You just know he's going to be in and around there, I cant remember the last striker we had that was like this.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: stevo_st on November 09, 2020, 12:54:19 PM
Carew?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 01:14:45 PM
The 3rd goal was pure porn but his header was the one I liked, he's scored 5 goals from those type of positions already (3 almost identical headers). You just know he's going to be in and around there, I cant remember the last striker we had that was like this.

What's helped is that he likes flatter crosses, which means we don't need to be picking him out, just hitting the right line between the keeper and defenders. Even the first goal showed that it's something we've clearly worked on. It's much harder to defend than 'normal' crosses trying to pick out a man.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
We've gone from somebody quite slow and who can't head the ball at all in Wesley, to somebody really quick who is also great in the air in Watkins.  It's an absolutely huge upgrade in all areas of the game.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on November 09, 2020, 02:09:30 PM
The 3rd goal was pure porn but his header was the one I liked, he's scored 5 goals from those type of positions already (3 almost identical headers). You just know he's going to be in and around there, I cant remember the last striker we had that was like this.

He's like a Darren Bent who can play football
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2020, 01:08:17 PM
We've gone from somebody quite slow and who can't head the ball at all in Wesley, to somebody really quick who is also great in the air in Watkins.  It's an absolutely huge upgrade in all areas of the game.

We have. What we donít know is how Wes would have developed like others we bought potentially how much better heíd be this season had he not been injured. That said you canít teach pace. Wes had decent movement but he couldnít head a ball which is bizarre for a big centre forward. Maybe that would have improved also. But our ability now to hit teams on the counter is the best since MON when had Gabby, Ash, Carew being fed by the likes of Milner, Stan and Barry.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on December 17, 2020, 08:51:46 AM
Didnt Dyche turn us down when we were binning one of our previous terrible managers? Here's what you cudda had, Dychey...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2020, 08:57:19 AM
Look at what you could have won!

*eastie mode on* Nice and handy for his Northants home as well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on December 17, 2020, 11:34:40 PM
I think getting in an experienced striker on loan in January (someone like Giroud but gettable) would really help Ollie. He needs someone proven in his position to provide competition and help keep his chin up. It's just not going to happen for Davis at Villanand who knows if Wesley will ever feature for us in a meaningful way again.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2020, 12:16:37 AM
Didnt Dyche turn us down when we were binning one of our previous terrible managers? Here's what you cudda had, Dychey...

Dean Smith. To think we were so close to bringing Dyche to Villa Park in the spring. I don't think Dyche is as bad as his current team but missing out on the Villa move obviously has had an impact. Horrible stuff.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2020, 12:30:03 AM
We've gone from somebody quite slow and who can't head the ball at all in Wesley, to somebody really quick who is also great in the air in Watkins.  It's an absolutely huge upgrade in all areas of the game.

We always knew Wesley couldn't head a ball. For me, Ollie is like Tammy, put the ball in the 6 yard box and 9 times out of 10 he'll be on the end of it. Wonderful trait but we need to understand and play to his limitations.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Hillbilly on December 18, 2020, 02:59:40 AM
I'm gonna be recklessly optimistic and say that Watkins and Wesley will form one of those fortuitous partnerships where everything clicks. And because this is the Villa, Watkins will then get a long term injury.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tony scott on December 18, 2020, 04:06:39 AM
I think he gets out wide to much, but who can blame him the ball isnít reaching him in the box, maybe more encouragement from the coaching staff to our wide players to play him in.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sid1964 on December 18, 2020, 07:04:30 AM
I thought his performance last night was awful - i cant remember him having a decent game since Arsenal away (and that was only the 2nd half) if the only way he can play is within the penalty area - then he is not a centre forward

For £33 million (that is the most expensive buy in Villa's history) I expected far more, especially when he has probably one of the most creative players in the country playing just behind him in Grealish

The Burnley centre halves last night would have barely broken sweat marking him - he needs to improve his game in lots of areas - hopefully on Sunday he will score and that will boost his confidence.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2020, 07:18:16 AM
I think thatís quite harsh and heís doing pretty well and could have had a few chances if we had made the correct decisions at times. He works hard and holds it well. Like Jack heís another who benefits so much more when Barkley is in the team. We lack quality at times in that final third and our next upgrade must be to supplement the likes of these two.

I donít think anyone had a bad game last night, itís just a few were guilty of lacking composure. Thatís probably just as much down to lack of game time and also ability.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2020, 07:42:14 AM
I thought his performance last night was awful - i cant remember him having a decent game since Arsenal away (and that was only the 2nd half) if the only way he can play is within the penalty area - then he is not a centre forward

For £33 million (that is the most expensive buy in Villa's history) I expected far more, especially when he has probably one of the most creative players in the country playing just behind him in Grealish

The Burnley centre halves last night would have barely broken sweat marking him - he needs to improve his game in lots of areas - hopefully on Sunday he will score and that will boost his confidence.



Very harsh. I thought he worked pretty hard and well last night. He does have stuff to work on, for sure. But I think overall heís had an excellent start to his Villa career.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dave P on December 18, 2020, 08:00:01 AM
I thought his performance last night was awful - i cant remember him having a decent game since Arsenal away (and that was only the 2nd half) if the only way he can play is within the penalty area - then he is not a centre forward

For £33 million (that is the most expensive buy in Villa's history) I expected far more, especially when he has probably one of the most creative players in the country playing just behind him in Grealish

The Burnley centre halves last night would have barely broken sweat marking him - he needs to improve his game in lots of areas - hopefully on Sunday he will score and that will boost his confidence.



Very harsh. I thought he worked pretty hard and well last night. He does have stuff to work on, for sure. But I think overall heís had an excellent start to his Villa career.

I think that is harsh too.  Everything seemed to stick with him and he held off two bruising defenders.  I think he's magic.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rigadon on December 18, 2020, 08:00:19 AM
Needs a goal.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 18, 2020, 08:08:07 AM
Harsh words on here regarding Ollie - Service from El Ghazi and Traore was garbage. Personally, I think he's trying too hard.

His performances have been very hot and cold, I'll give you that. He looked a world beater against Liverpool and Arsenal, but has struggled against supposed lesser opponents - Which I find strange seeing as he should be used to that after years in the lower leagues.

I think he'll come good - But we desperately need another striker to relieve the pressure on his shoulders. *And thinking back to the general consensus on here, I don't think Wesley is the answer!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dave P on December 18, 2020, 08:16:27 AM
I'm gonna be recklessly optimistic and say that Watkins and Wesley will form one of those fortuitous partnerships where everything clicks. And because this is the Villa, Watkins will then get a long term injury.

The last bit is typical Villa but I think you are right.  Wesley might thrive with this creativity around him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2020, 08:53:57 AM
I expected more from a 24 year old playing his first 11 games in the top flight, with a goal return of more than 1 in 2.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 18, 2020, 08:56:39 AM
It seems to me Barkley is the one player Watkins has missed more than most. Barkley playing in that advanced role with little to no defensive duties seems to favour Ollie, as he then has someone to work off and share the burden of opposition centre backs.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Clampy on December 18, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
I thought his performance last night was awful - i cant remember him having a decent game since Arsenal away (and that was only the 2nd half) if the only way he can play is within the penalty area - then he is not a centre forward

For £33 million (that is the most expensive buy in Villa's history) I expected far more, especially when he has probably one of the most creative players in the country playing just behind him in Grealish

The Burnley centre halves last night would have barely broken sweat marking him - he needs to improve his game in lots of areas - hopefully on Sunday he will score and that will boost his confidence.



6 goals in 11 games  in his first season in the top division and you expected far more? There's just no pleasing some people.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: mcgrath_85 on December 18, 2020, 09:06:21 AM
I think he needs to add some aggression and bite into his game. I want to see him screaming for the pass when heís wide open in the six yard box. Both Jack and El Ghazi couldíve squared to him last night for a tap in. The repays showed that he was content for them to take on the finish.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on December 18, 2020, 09:20:20 AM
Jesus. He's doing just fine.

We had 27 shots last night, so even if he isn't the one in the end he's causing problems that give others opportunities. His running is great and he's scored a better ratio than anyone we've had for years. Early days but in a couple of years I reckon there will be calls saying he should be playing for England.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on December 18, 2020, 09:22:08 AM
Yeah, I think there might be an element of being in deference to some of his teammates. Needs to be less shy and more demanding from them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 18, 2020, 09:25:45 AM
Itís very difficult to judge if he is making the right runs from TV. His hold up play was good, he kept wanting the ball, he has good first touch. A huge upgrade on Wes.
Think we need to be a bit more patient, not his fault we did not score from 27 attempts.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: fbriai on December 18, 2020, 09:30:02 AM
I think he's a cracking player. Runs all day long, wants the ball everywhere, can win it in the air, keep it with his back to goal, can hold it up on the ground and bring others into player, is very quick, can get round the back of the last man, can pass, can shoot - with both feet - can head, gets into superb positions. He must be a right handful for any defence. He's been superb for us so far and will only get better. Keep it up, Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2020, 09:31:05 AM
Also, we won't be playing Burnley every week, where it's constantly like the chariot scene from Ben Hur in their box.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: mcgrath_85 on December 18, 2020, 09:35:47 AM
Itís very difficult to judge if he is making the right runs from TV. His hold up play was good, he kept wanting the ball, he has good first touch. A huge upgrade on Wes.
Think we need to be a bit more patient, not his fault we did not score from 27 attempts.

I agree with you and wasnít claiming he was at fault. I was being constructive in my criticism hoping he can improve further, which he definitely can.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: fbriai on December 18, 2020, 09:39:00 AM
Also, we won't be playing Burnley every week, where it's constantly like the chariot scene from Ben Hur in their box.

Ha ha! Great description, BE.

There was a moment in the first half, they had a corner I think, which ended with a free-kick and four players on the floor, and I said to my lad, 'there's a scene you only get in a Burnley game'.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2020, 09:39:47 AM
I think he's a cracking player. Runs all day long, wants the ball everywhere, can win it in the air, keep it with his back to goal, can hold it up on the ground and bring others into player, is very quick, can get round the back of the last man, can pass, can shoot - with both feet - can head, gets into superb positions. He must be a right handful for any defence. He's been superb for us so far and will only get better. Keep it up, Ollie.

And never, ever stops pressing the keeper, which looks like the shittest task in football to me. But then I was a midfield stroller.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tomd2103 on December 18, 2020, 09:45:28 AM
Has done well so far and I like that even if things aren't quite working out for him, he is still a real nuisance up there.  It's still his first season in the top flight though and he probably would have been been helped by having someone who could ease the burden a bit.  Last night was the first time this season where I thought he looked like he could do with a bit of a break to allow him to come back absolutely firing again. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on December 18, 2020, 09:49:09 AM
Itís very difficult to judge if he is making the right runs from TV. His hold up play was good, he kept wanting the ball, he has good first touch. A huge upgrade on Wes.
Think we need to be a bit more patient, not his fault we did not score from 27 attempts.

While I would agree he is an huge upgrade on any striker we had last season, that's a very low benchmark in any case. We should be expecting a lot more than that. I think he has been poor in the last three games but particularly last night. I thought he held onto the ball far too long out wide and was dispossessed on a number of occasions. Thought his touch was poor and the ball seemed to be getting stuck under his feet a lot. Maybe he got frustrated with lack of service, or with Burnley so deep there was little space in behind, but by coming so deep or drifting wide that was just what they wanted.

He does seem to prefer quicker crosses from wide areas and the likes of Grealish, McGinn, Traore or AEG are always going to take an extra touch. He needs to adapt his game a bit as a result and be a bit more patient Vardy style.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: simboy on December 18, 2020, 09:59:19 AM
Think he looks very decent. What i like about him is he is always making the right run [as much as you can tell from the TV]. There were times last night when he was running down the centre spot toward the goal as the shot was being taken, he was looking for the cross or the rebound. He's moved up a level, against extremely physical defenders, over the last few games. He's done well and is full of energy. We have a real diamond there although maybe not the finished article quite yet. The team need to learn to play to his strengths and he will score a lot more. FFS he's scored as many goals as the whole of the Burnley team this season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on December 18, 2020, 11:32:44 AM
The supply wasn't good last night. Downside of inverted wingers and Emo's crosses weren't what he can do. He still had one that he deflected towards goal and Lowton had got back onto the line to clear it. He must still be one of the most mobile strikers in the league and he's close control is really good.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 18, 2020, 11:44:55 AM
I think he's a cracking player. Runs all day long, wants the ball everywhere, can win it in the air, keep it with his back to goal, can hold it up on the ground and bring others into player, is very quick, can get round the back of the last man, can pass, can shoot - with both feet - can head, gets into superb positions. He must be a right handful for any defence. He's been superb for us so far and will only get better. Keep it up, Ollie.

Agree, great potential, itís his first season in the PL in very odd circumstances. Heís constantly on the move and scored some great goals already and will continue to. I think a bit more patience is needed on here sometimes. Well played Ollie keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: DrGonzo on December 18, 2020, 04:46:51 PM
I remember somebody, no names mentioned, descibed him as "lazy" during the transfer saga.  That's so far from the mark as to be hilarious.  A more willing runner I can't remember from our strikers.  The lad is still learning his trade and will be excellent. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2020, 05:04:25 PM
He's very good. But he needs genuine competition, and in my opinion, from a more experienced striker. You look at Chelsea. They have Werner, Abraham and Giroud. That's a great mix of a talent, ability, style, experience. Now I don't expect us to be attracting that level of talent at this point, but we need greater options when our main forward isn't at his best, or as will happen the team isn't operating to get him the ball or simply the opponents have neutralized his main strengths. Bringing on Keinan Davis isn't remotely the answer.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 19, 2020, 09:59:41 AM
Itís very difficult to judge if he is making the right runs from TV. His hold up play was good, he kept wanting the ball, he has good first touch. A huge upgrade on Wes.
Think we need to be a bit more patient, not his fault we did not score from 27 attempts.

I think this is right.
It seems to me that he also does a lot of the hard graft that isnít also immediately noticeable unless your looking out for it. He never stops moving, and I think an earlier comment on here that Burnleyís defenders had an easy night with him, is very wide of the mark. I think every defence heís come against know theyíve been in a game. He does exactly what Wes, Davis or Samatta didnít do last season, run the line, move between the defenders, making them have to think all the time.
One comment I do agree with, is if Grealish doesnít play him in when he should, like on Thursday or against Leeds, he should be screaming at him, so even Jack knows for next time.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 19, 2020, 10:10:50 AM
Yeah, I think there might be an element of being in deference to some of his teammates. Needs to be less shy and more demanding from them.

I agree.  It might come in time but I suspect he might just be that type of character.  the fact he didnít take penalties at Brentford suggests he doesnít seek to stand out and be the boss.  Hopefully that sort of arrogance will come as he finds his feet in this league.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Clampy on December 19, 2020, 10:16:12 AM
I think he's been really good overall and if his two had gone in against West Ham (and let's face it, he was robbed of one) he'd be on 8 by now but 6 is  a decent enough return. As ever with some people, a player has a quiet or less effective game or two and get's singled out. There were people on here a month or so back who wanted Barkley dropped. As for comparing him as Hoganesque, that was just nonsense.

Give him time, we've may have found a gem.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Zouch Villa on December 19, 2020, 10:56:49 AM
I think Ollieís all round game is very good, and love the way he can intercept and quickly control the ball.  If El Ghazi hadnít chosen to shoot on sight every time he was played in vs Burnley, and instead picked out Watkins (who was in good positions), Iím confident he would have converted at least one chance.

As always, we will only see the best of him if we continue to add more quality to the squad.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on December 19, 2020, 01:07:23 PM
Mane has now scored as many goals as Watkins.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 19, 2020, 01:19:42 PM
I think Ollieís all round game is very good, and love the way he can intercept and quickly control the ball.  If El Ghazi hadnít chosen to shoot on sight every time he was played in vs Burnley, and instead picked out Watkins (who was in good positions), Iím confident he would have converted at least one chance.

As always, we will only see the best of him if we continue to add more quality to the squad.

Don't just single out El Ghazi. Grealish should have picked him out with a pass also.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: DrGonzo on December 19, 2020, 02:48:00 PM
Mane has now scored as many goals as Watkins.

And is considered one of the best in the league.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2020, 03:35:07 PM
He's been good so far.  Inconsistent as you'd expect from a young player from the Championship, but at his best he hasn't looked out of place.  If we had another striker, he could play in one of the wider attacking spots in place of the underwhelming Trez/El Ghazi/Traore.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 19, 2020, 03:43:56 PM
When he does interviews, he comes across as a bright lad. That shows in the way he plays. His movement is very intelligent.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: London Villan on December 20, 2020, 09:32:27 PM
Ollie must be very frustrated. VAR, penalty misses and now two penalties taken and scored by AEG. He should have five more goals.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on December 20, 2020, 09:34:32 PM
Heís working so hard for the team every week and really deserves far more credit. Heís going to be scoring for fun soon, his luck has to change.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on December 20, 2020, 09:40:03 PM
When he does interviews, he comes across as a bright lad. That shows in the way he plays. His movement is very intelligent.

For Traore's goal today, he made a little run and took the defender with him which made the space for Traore to run into. Very clever movement.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Keeno on December 20, 2020, 09:51:09 PM
He's a brilliant player. We've not had a striker so intelligent in his movement for years - the decoy run made that goal for Traore as it sent the centre back and Johnstone's eyes the wrong way, and summed up his selflessness and intelligence perfectly.

He might not have had the luck with the goals over the last few weeks, but him being in the side is one of the main reasons behind our massive improvement this season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: jcsutv on December 20, 2020, 10:02:39 PM
It was a great run and I think if Traore had slotted the pass it was made for him. Think he would be great bulking up up like his athleticism. What a player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2020, 10:21:08 PM
Nicked from Twitter

https://twitter.com/flowz23/status/1340777242323021832?s=21
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tomd2103 on December 20, 2020, 10:47:26 PM
He's a brilliant player. We've not had a striker so intelligent in his movement for years - the decoy run made that goal for Traore as it sent the centre back and Johnstone's eyes the wrong way, and summed up his selflessness and intelligence perfectly.

He might not have had the luck with the goals over the last few weeks, but him being in the side is one of the main reasons behind our massive improvement this season.

Yeah, I've got a lot of time for him as well.  I like the fact that even if things aren't going his way, he still works hard and makes it difficult for defenders.  That said, he has had a lot on his shoulders this season with it being his first season in the top flight and with a big price tag to boot.  I said after the Burnley game and I think again tonight, that although he is doing fine, he looks like he could just do with a bit of a rest and then come back fresh and firing. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: jcsutv on December 20, 2020, 10:54:28 PM
I canít imagine he would agree with being rested. A key reason for our improvement this season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 21, 2020, 09:39:37 AM
Poor Ollie fractions from being awarded a goal but VAR deem otherwise.
That's 2 now and a miss pen which would have seen him with 9 in 12 and if he was on pens then another 2 given to AEG would be 11 in 12.
I dont think he should have been taken off pens.
Callum Wilson our target in summer takes pens and has a good number to his name. Because of his experience he's shown at this time to be the more effective striker this season. 8 in 12 goals to ollies 6.

And if we create the right chances for Ollie he will score goals. More play to the byline and low crosses are needed.

I did notice he likes to go pitchside left but somewhat crowded over there with AEG and Jackie liking that area when attacking.

I still see him on for 15+ goals and would like team to play to his strengths as he works hard for team and makes good runs and can link up well

These high balls where he's had to battle defenders are tough for him

Like a lot about him and so do the team mates who all celebrated affectionately when he scored 'goal' WBA

I'm expecting he'll do well for goals vs Man Utd and Cheslea away when Villa get space in behind on counters and quick transition of the ball

A haul is coming

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 21, 2020, 10:23:37 AM
He's doing just fine.  Always involved, holds the ball up well, gets into positions, gets shots in.  Needs team mates to deliver better final balls into him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on December 21, 2020, 10:33:23 AM
Had a shocker of a first half yesterday . Ball bouncing off him against average defenders. Terrible touch when sent through by Grealish twice. That missed header was poor too.

Improved in the second half for sure, good decoy run for Traores goal. Good shot at one stage. Offside by milimeters for what would have been a much needed goal. Got more involved in the play too. Really needs to work on his first touch though, ball is getting stuck under his feet too much. Seems quite a strong guy so just needs to work his body more to protect the ball better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 21, 2020, 02:14:33 PM
Had a shocker of a first half yesterday . Ball bouncing off him against average defenders. Terrible touch when sent through by Grealish twice. That missed header was poor too.

Improved in the second half for sure, good decoy run for Traores goal. Good shot at one stage. Offside by milimeters for what would have been a much needed goal. Got more involved in the play too. Really needs to work on his first touch though, ball is getting stuck under his feet too much. Seems quite a strong guy so just needs to work his body more to protect the ball better.

Didnít he cushion the header, while being marked by 2 defenders, to Bertie for our first goal?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on December 21, 2020, 02:33:42 PM
I thought he had a very good game throughout, the whole team did. It was a very very accomplished performance. The goal should have stood which would have rounded off his game and also which he deserved.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on December 21, 2020, 02:35:09 PM
Ollie must be very frustrated. VAR, penalty misses and now two penalties taken and scored by AEG. He should have five more goals.

If you have seen Ollie's Penalty conversions stats, I'm glad AEG is taking them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on December 21, 2020, 02:56:54 PM
He's doing just fine.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: usav on December 21, 2020, 03:05:08 PM
He's doing just fine.

He is, but his confidence has to have taken a hit.  Needs a goal in the next game, yesterday would have been an ideal stage to get back on the scoresheet.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2020, 03:10:54 PM
He's getting into great spots. What he needs to work on a bit is his timing of his runs so that he is still getting to the ball first. Yesterday, had he started literally a fraction sooner he would still have scored. VAR is a pain in the balls for all players now. He has to adjust accordingly because it isn't going away.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 21, 2020, 03:16:59 PM
Penalties should stay with the player best at them, and AEG is scoring them whereas Ollie was fluffing them.

Pleased with Watkins thus far. Works hard, and has scored a reasonable haul considering the step up from the Championship. I would rather he had more competition though, and think that it would help him by taking some of the pressure off.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2020, 04:03:29 PM
He's doing just fine.

He is, but his confidence has to have taken a hit.  Needs a goal in the next game, yesterday would have been an ideal stage to get back on the scoresheet.

If it wasn't for the farce that is VAR, he'd have two more goals already.  As it is, 6 goals from 12 goals is a good return. 8 from 12 would have been truly amazing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on December 21, 2020, 04:39:08 PM
How that goal against the tesco bags was disallowed that should have been given I hate VAR Ollie his doing well I'm glad we have him playing for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2020, 04:49:12 PM
No luck - he was excellent today.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2020, 04:51:14 PM
Absolutely love him, despite him being so unlucky. Disallowed goals, great saves and posts. Fuck me the poor bastard but he keeps on going.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on December 26, 2020, 04:57:16 PM
Yes I know he didn't score but my word what a performance from him. He's like Vardy. Part man, part energy drink. He runs centre halves all the live long day and he sets the tone and tempo. An absolute pest, the goals will come.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on December 26, 2020, 05:00:09 PM
Made it feel like it was still 11 v 11, absolute trojan!

I hope on a personal level he's not dissapointed not to score because that was the ultimate playing for the team performance.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on December 26, 2020, 05:02:29 PM
Unlucky not to score, I thought he was brilliant today.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Legion on December 26, 2020, 05:02:31 PM
He is superb.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: DrGonzo on December 26, 2020, 05:05:28 PM
Well he's going to have to pay to get the woodwork repainted at this rate!  Holds the ball up so well considering he isn't the biggest lad out there and has great awareness of the movement around him.  How many 1-2's does he play? Excellent.  A bargain.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: supertom on December 26, 2020, 05:07:30 PM
Someone is going to be on the recieving end of a Watkins hattrick soon. Brilliant player. His all round play is excellent and he's absolutely key to how we play. Goals will come. It's rotten luck more than anything. He works the keeper consistently, but he's been buggered by VAR a couple of times and has hit the woodwork a lot this season. Really like him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy65 on December 26, 2020, 05:09:07 PM
The goals will come. Some team is going to pay big time soon
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2020, 05:10:57 PM
Great player. Unselfish.  Worth every penny.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on December 26, 2020, 05:12:22 PM
Brilliant performance by Ollie unlucky too he should have had two goals himself.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 26, 2020, 05:13:18 PM
Have we ever had such a hard working striker? I can't think of one.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on December 26, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
Have we ever had such a hard working striker? I can't think of one.
Andy Gray was a real grafter.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2020, 05:31:04 PM
Brilliant display from Ollie today, absolute crying shame he didn't get the goal it deserved.  Absolutely superb display of the centre forward's role.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2020, 05:31:45 PM
Have we ever had such a hard working striker? I can't think of one.

Dean Saunders perhaps?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 26, 2020, 05:49:00 PM
Watkins is the perfect striker for the modern trend of playing one up front. He basically plays like we have two, or even three, strikers. He is absolutely everywhere and must be a fucking nightmare to play against. Deserved a goal today, but had a crucial part in all three. Love him to bits.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ger Regan on December 26, 2020, 05:51:38 PM
He's crucial to how we play. Is just trying a bit too hard when chances present themselves, once it clicks for him, he'll be unplayable.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on December 26, 2020, 05:59:18 PM
Heís ace, canít praise him enough. Iím sure Iím not the only one now just willing the ball in the net for him. So deserves a goal.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2020, 06:09:23 PM
He's crucial to how we play. Is just trying a bit too hard when chances present themselves, once it clicks for him, he'll be unplayable.

He does at times but I never hope he loses that attitude and appetite. Today though he was just flat out unlucky. Off the bar, we score. Off the post, the keeper's makes good saves to deny him. Those Palace CB's were given a torrid time. And that's before you get to the goals that in another era are given and he's into double figures for the season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2020, 06:18:01 PM
He was exceptional. Goals will come, because heís getting in the right places. Crucially when heís not scoring heís massively contributing and creating chances.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave shelley on December 26, 2020, 06:20:10 PM
I really, really like him.  I look forward to his future with us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: CT on December 26, 2020, 06:21:39 PM
Quite superb today. You can see how desperately he wants to score, but heís contributing massively to what weíre doing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: not3bad on December 26, 2020, 06:44:30 PM
We seem to have flair players coming out of our ears all of a sudden, but it's great we also have a "fox in the box". A vital component for a winning team.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 26, 2020, 06:50:58 PM
Have we ever had such a hard working striker? I can't think of one.
Andy Gray was a real grafter.

He was but not like Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Martin Carruthers on December 26, 2020, 06:52:12 PM
 Dean Saunders always put a good shift in
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: four fornicholl on December 26, 2020, 07:08:26 PM
Have we ever had such a hard working striker? I can't think of one.
Andy Gray was a real grafter.
Nowhere near as good looking though. He's our "baby faced assassin", sorry.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on December 26, 2020, 07:12:15 PM
Really felt for him when he hit the inside of the post late on....deserved a goal. Outstanding performance, so much improved from recent weeks.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 26, 2020, 07:48:37 PM
Have we ever had such a hard working striker? I can't think of one.
Andy Gray was a real grafter.

Big boots to fill but I think Ollie has the potential to better Andyís tally
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rob_bridge on December 26, 2020, 08:56:53 PM
He scared the Bejesus out of them the whole game and as a result they were on the back foot despite them on paper having good attacking options
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: mike on December 26, 2020, 09:49:49 PM
He's fucking ace. Of all the Championship next best things (Benrhama, Maupay etc) he is the real deal. Pre VAR he would have had a couple more goals which would have made it more obvious but the lad is outstanding.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 26, 2020, 10:08:16 PM
He's fucking ace. Of all the Championship next best things (Benrhama, Maupay etc) he is the real deal. Pre VAR he would have had a couple more goals which would have made it more obvious but the lad is outstanding.

If heíd scored the pen at West Ham heíd probably have been on the two since.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: mike on December 26, 2020, 10:20:03 PM
He's fucking ace. Of all the Championship next best things (Benrhama, Maupay etc) he is the real deal. Pre VAR he would have had a couple more goals which would have made it more obvious but the lad is outstanding.

If heíd scored the pen at West Ham heíd probably have been on the two since.

Yep, so then and add the three he nearly scored today and how many would he be on... but actually, El Ghazi scoring those pens is probably a bonus for the team in the long run for the confidence it gives him (and us) so, hey ho, it all works out in the end. But Ollie deserves to have a higher goal tally.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy65 on December 27, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
I really, really like him.  I look forward to his future with us.

Said the same to my wife after his post match interview yesterday. In fact I said he would be great son in law material........and I have a lovely 22 year old daughter who is free!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on December 27, 2020, 11:29:29 AM

Yep, so then and add the three he nearly scored today and how many would he be on... but actually, El Ghazi scoring those pens is probably a bonus for the team in the long run for the confidence it gives him (and us) so, hey ho, it all works out in the end. But Ollie deserves to have a higher goal tally.

He really does Mike.  It's not like he's doing a Davis and not even having attempts, or skying the chances he does get into row Z.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 27, 2020, 11:31:48 AM
He'll score against Chelski and Manure - That comes Nii Lamptey guaranteed! 👍🏻
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2020, 11:40:05 AM
Set up all 3 goals yesterday. Worth his weight in gold this lad. Rightly selected MotM by BBC.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2020, 12:00:30 PM
Love his effort, brave strong and quick.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 27, 2020, 12:50:11 PM
Contributes so much  Superb team player, and Iím sure the goals will come.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: supertom on December 27, 2020, 01:02:19 PM
I feel like Watkins might be the best all rounder we've had since Yorke up front, in terms of all his attributes. There's not a lot he can't do. He doesn't look big but he's good with his back to goal, he works the channels well, he's quick, decent in the air, a good one touch passer, intelligent player. He scores goals (no seriously, he does). We've had some good CF's, but generally not as much of a team player as Ollie. Likewise, his role model being Henry looks clear in the fact he can bring others into play so well and make goals as well as score them. If he stays here 5 years he'll be comfortably over 50 goals for us and probably a hatful of assists on top.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on December 27, 2020, 01:20:46 PM
I don't mind him not scoring with all the work he does and opportunities he creates. But I hope he gets a few more soon. Next couple of games with a hat trick in each would be nice.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on December 27, 2020, 01:54:35 PM
Matter of time before he's called up to England and I say that when he's having bad luck in front of goal. He has a lot of competition which will likely delay him but his work-rate, closing down and starting the press means he's first line of the defence. Smith said it right when he said there's no striker better when you find yourselves down to 10 men. The work rate we have in our side, led by Watkins, Grealish and McGinn is exceptional and makes it feel like we start every game with extra players than the opposition.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 27, 2020, 02:16:21 PM
He worked so hard that second half and it was a crying shame he didnít score
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2020, 02:45:12 PM
I feel like Watkins might be the best all rounder we've had since Yorke up front, in terms of all his attributes. There's not a lot he can't do. He doesn't look big but he's good with his back to goal, he works the channels well, he's quick, decent in the air, a good one touch passer, intelligent player. He scores goals (no seriously, he does). We've had some good CF's, but generally not as much of a team player as Ollie. Likewise, his role model being Henry looks clear in the fact he can bring others into play so well and make goals as well as score them. If he stays here 5 years he'll be comfortably over 50 goals for us and probably a hatful of assists on top.

Benteke in 12/13 was imo the best individual striker season we've had at top level since the 90s. People think now all Benteke did was stand in 6 yard box and head in crosses but he was huge with our counter attack with his hold out play and drifting out wide and pulling defenders out of position. Remember the Man. United goal when Weimann scored and he made a complete mug out of Smalling who was a good defender at the time.

Considering how much stronger we now are across the pitch compared to those dark times we're going to have an incredible season if Ollie can score 15 + goals considering what else he contributes to our play.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2020, 02:50:38 PM
Benteke was magnificent at his best. Itís easy to forget how good he was watching what has become of him. I love Ollie for many reasons, but heís still got a ways yo go to become what Benteke was for us. Iíll say to everyone just watch the sheer variety of goals he scored. He could literally do it all.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Smithy on December 27, 2020, 08:40:53 PM
Benteke was magnificent at his best. Itís easy to forget how good he was watching what has become of him. I love Ollie for many reasons, but heís still got a ways yo go to become what Benteke was for us. Iíll say to everyone just watch the sheer variety of goals he scored. He could literally do it all.

It wasn't just his goals, remember the back-heel for Weiman's goal at Anfield? At his best, he was absolutely brilliant for us.

Ollie has been brilliant so far, but he's not even had half a season yet.  If he carries on like this then he'll be right up there.  The thing I like about him is that he still looks like scoring, even if he's missing chances.  There are strikers who go through a dry spell and become anonymous - he could literally have had a hat-trick yesterday, and also got three assists.  If this is him in a dry-spell, the rest of the league better watch out when he hits a purple patch...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 27, 2020, 08:50:27 PM
I think Ollie works harder for the team . I always felt benteke was keeping something back
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 27, 2020, 08:54:56 PM
Let's not re-write history. For three seasons Benteke was up there with the best we've ever had.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 27, 2020, 08:58:58 PM
Let's not re-write history. For three seasons Benteke was up there with the best we've ever had.


Yep unplayable at times
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ad@m on December 27, 2020, 10:30:32 PM
Ollie's showing fantastic promise but it's early days.

Like others have said, Benteke was one of the best players we've ever had in claret & blue at his peak. He could do everything and anything.

Going to Liverpool ruined his career.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on December 28, 2020, 09:24:43 AM
9 shots against Palace, the most by a Villa striker in one game since JPA had 11 back in, well ages ago.

He's not blazing them over, getting scared or lacking confidence, which is great. It will happen soon. Next two games please Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: TelfordVilla on December 28, 2020, 09:48:01 AM
The fact that most of us still have a respect for Benteke, despite the shadow of a player he has become since joining 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', shows just how good he was with us. Ollie is going to overshadow him though by the end of his career with us and Engerland
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: onje_villa on December 28, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
Was phenomenal against Palace, he was so integral and the fact we scored 3, his personal tally was almost immaterial. A really likeable guy as well. My only question would be should he have had ten minutes off towards the end. We've got no real striker as backup and he's run a lot of miles with games coming thick and fast.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ad@m on December 28, 2020, 10:45:09 AM
That's a fair point about resting him. Playing with 10 men for 50 minutes 48 hours before a game against Chelsea is going to take it's toll.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on December 28, 2020, 11:33:20 AM
I wonder what our team running stats were against Palace compared to the average second half.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: rooboy316 on December 28, 2020, 01:39:14 PM
I also wonder how we will keep it up as the season goes along. The work rate, the pressing, from the whole team, is phenomenal to watch. But Deano also seems not to want to fix what ainít broken by using subs, and the lack of squad rotation  so far - surely must take itís toll at some point?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 28, 2020, 02:08:37 PM
I also wonder how we will keep it up as the season goes along. The work rate, the pressing, from the whole team, is phenomenal to watch. But Deano also seems not to want to fix what ainít broken by using subs, and the lack of squad rotation  so far - surely must take itís toll at some point?

The only time I've thought we looked a bit leggy was the Brighton game after the last international break, as though being away from their regular routine had taken its toll. If anything, we've looked like we're getting fitter and our stamina levels have been increasing ever since then. They're fit young lads, they'll cope.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2020, 02:13:24 PM
I also wonder how we will keep it up as the season goes along. The work rate, the pressing, from the whole team, is phenomenal to watch. But Deano also seems not to want to fix what ainít broken by using subs, and the lack of squad rotation  so far - surely must take itís toll at some point?

Once we get past January it's really only one game a week for the most part.  Not like we have any European or League Cup games to worry about.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villa Lew on December 30, 2020, 02:22:33 PM
Happy birthday Ollie 25 today, let's hope he has a belated present with the winner on Friday.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Clive W on December 31, 2020, 05:52:36 PM
Good article by Percy in the DT

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/12/31/ollie-watkins-aston-villas-running-man-offers-just-goals/
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on December 31, 2020, 06:01:01 PM
It's behind a pay wall. Can you copy and paste it?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Clive W on December 31, 2020, 06:05:01 PM
It's behind a pay wall. Can you copy and paste it?
Iíll try but not very good at this sort of thing
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Clive W on December 31, 2020, 06:07:32 PM
When a £28 million record signing is a forward and has gone seven games without a goal there could be some scrutiny and even concern, but Ollie Watkinsí impact at Aston Villa cannot be overestimated.

Watkins is Dean Smithís running man, the relentless chaser of lost causes who defends from the front and never gives Premier League centre-backs a peaceful moment.

His heat maps after games are likely to be radioactive with the amount of charging around the final third he produces, eating up the kilometres as the central figure in an attacking front three.

Since that record move from Brentford, where he scored 26 goals last season, Watkins has set the tone for one of this seasonís surprise packages.

ďOllie has a hunger to score goals, which is what I love about him. He also has a hunger to improve and keep getting better and what you see on a match-day is what you see on the training ground,Ē said Smith, the Villa head coach.

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ďHe has an infectious attitude that rubs off on others. I think itís the all-round athleticism as well. Some of the numbers he produces with his running stats are incredible.Ē

Watkins may have experienced frustration in recent weeks, most notably in the 3-0 win over Crystal Palace on Boxing Day, but does have eight goals already this season.

Watkins introduced himself to the Premier League with a first-half hat-trick against Liverpool in October
Watkins introduced himself to the Premier League with a first-half hat-trick against Liverpool in October CREDIT: RICHARD PELHAM
Three of them came in that remarkable 7-2 demolition of champions Liverpool, while he will also remember with fondness the two goals against Arsenal, the team he supported as a kid.

Watkins still has the time to challenge European Cup-winner Peter Withe as the last Villa forward to score 20 in a top-flight campaign.

But the 25 year old has clearly shown he has more to offer than just goals. He regularly studies video clips of opposing defenders to work out potential weaknesses or areas of their game he can capitalise on.

Before the win over Liverpool he watched videos of Virgil van Dijk and Joe Gomez, with assistant coach Richard O'Kelly, and that dedication is being rewarded. Pace remains one of the biggest fears for defenders.

Against Palace, Watkins also provided assists for all the three goals and has established a fine understanding with captain Jack Grealish.

With Palaceís defenders tiring towards the end, and Watkins in pursuit of a goal, he produced a clever run behind the centre-halves and was found by Grealish: only to strike the post.

 
Smith points to those moments, when Watkins is still getting himself into the danger areas, as evidence that the goals will return soon.

Manchester United will be the latest team to experience the lung-bursting approach of Watkins on Friday night, yet these energetic performances are nothing new.

At Brentford, Watkinsí running statistics were also through the roof and defender Pontus Jansson delivered an excellent assessment after the play-off semi-final against Swansea.

"It was one of the best defensive performances from a striker I have ever seen. I know how much he ran, it was just unbelievable,Ē he said.

ďTo see his numbers on the GPS afterwards, there was almost fire on it. When Ollie has a good game defensively we always defend well as a team as well."

Last seasonís Championship Player of the Year, Watkins has made the step up appear easy. Many other clubs were interested over the summer, including Tottenham, Palace, Sheffield United and West Brom, but the transfer fee demanded by Brentford - which will eventually rise to £33 million - scared them off.

It was also perhaps inevitable that Watkins would join Villa, after signing for Brentford when Smith was in charge. Smith tells an amusing story about how he once bought Watkins a fish-tank as a ďmoving in presentĒ, and they have always had a close relationship.

During this period without a goal, Smith has moved quickly after matches to offer his support and underline his importance to the team.

Villa, and Watkins, face United on New Yearís Day fifth in the table and on a tidal wave of momentum after an unbeaten December, with Smithís squad winning admirers with their attack-minded approach.

This season they have won at Arsenal, Leicester and Wolves, while drawing at Chelsea on Monday, so a trip to Old Trafford will not represent the daunting prospect it might have done last season.

Villa drew 2-2 at United last December, with Grealish adding another spectacular goal to his collection, and Smith insists his team will approach the game full of confidence.

ďWe were more fearful of these fixtures last season because of the newness of actually getting into the Premier League,Ē he said. ďThis season we know where we're at.

ďWe can go and compete with the best in this league. We're excited about the opportunities and we'll be ready for them. These are the games they want to play in and look forward to.

ďWe had a good result there last season and we feel we're in a better place now.Ē

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Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Goldenballs on December 31, 2020, 06:22:05 PM
I thought he was a lot younger than 25, for some reason. Also read that he's only scored in 3 games, can that be right?

He does need to take more of his chances, midfield goals will dry up eventually, although he can take a lot of credit for setting up/creating space for the midfielde goals.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: mcgrath_85 on December 31, 2020, 06:26:59 PM
I thought he was a lot younger than 25, for some reason. Also read that he's only scored in 3 games, can that be right?

He does need to take more of his chances, midfield goals will dry up eventually, although he can take a lot of credit for setting up/creating space for the midfielde goals.

3 premier league games yes.
Liverpool 3
Arsenal 2
Southampton 1 (pen)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2021, 10:30:32 PM
Awful tonight. He kept losing the ball cheaply and didnt look like a threat to their back four.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on January 01, 2021, 10:32:27 PM
You can see he has the quality and ability at this level, but he was poor tonight, and having no real alternative to him isn't helping him at all.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Lsvilla on January 01, 2021, 10:33:38 PM
I like Ollie but Iíd be going all out to get Diego Costa for the rest of this season so Ollie can be taken out of the firing line and Wes get up to speed. loan not splashing the cash. Wonít happen but Ollie needs a breather
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2021, 10:37:26 PM
I like Ollie but Iíd be going all out to get Diego Costa for the rest of this season so Ollie can be taken out of the firing line and Wes get up to speed. loan not splashing the cash. Wonít happen but Ollie needs a breather
I hear what you are saying but I don't want that toxic ****** anywhere near our club.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: colin69 on January 01, 2021, 10:38:44 PM
Thought we played well tonight, but I agree I thought Ollie was very poor tonight. He needs a goal and quickly. Iím sure it will come but Iíd be looking to bring another striker in this month.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: TheMalandro on January 01, 2021, 10:41:25 PM


He'll bang them in soon.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2021, 10:43:36 PM
Terrible tonight, three big chances missed and caught on his heels for a fine Cash cross in the first half. Confidence in the floor. Needs a break or one to bang in off his knee
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy65 on January 01, 2021, 10:44:46 PM
I like Ollie but Iíd be going all out to get Diego Costa for the rest of this season so Ollie can be taken out of the firing line and Wes get up to speed. loan not splashing the cash. Wonít happen but Ollie needs a breather
I hear what you are saying but I don't want that toxic ****** anywhere near our club.

Toxic?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on January 01, 2021, 10:44:51 PM
Heís not had a bad game just not up to his high standard. He still caused problems. Itís a shame we have no one else and itís a testament to him as he still works so hard for us. The goals will come Iím convinced.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Lsvilla on January 01, 2021, 10:45:44 PM
I like Ollie but Iíd be going all out to get Diego Costa for the rest of this season so Ollie can be taken out of the firing line and Wes get up to speed. loan not splashing the cash. Wonít happen but Ollie needs a breather
I hear what you are saying but I don't want that toxic ****** anywhere near our club.
Maybe not the best example then but someone with his experience/nous that could come straight in and teach Ollie a few tricks of the trade whilst contributing on the pitch is what I want - admittedly a big ask and probably not achievable
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OzVilla on January 01, 2021, 10:51:37 PM
Looks tired now and needs a goal. I like him but I think he needs a rest. Lack of squad depth now starting to hurt us in this position.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Uknowthescore on January 01, 2021, 10:51:47 PM
Itís only his second season as a striker and I think u can tell. We need a natural finisher who can give him some competition
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Allan C on January 01, 2021, 10:58:50 PM
I think heís great and his work rate is as good as anyone weíve had in that position for years but he clearly needs a rest now, The FA Cup is the ideal time for it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2021, 11:02:26 PM
I have to say, for the first time, Ollie got on my nerves a bit tonight.  Needs a goal. Ollie wasn't on his own though as I thought Traore was below par and El Ghazi returned to his usual self. Barkley coming back will make a difference.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2021, 11:05:52 PM
I can't blame him at all. He's achieved way more than I ever imagined given he was signed from the Championship and he's run his bollocks off. Scored some super goals and two chalked off that in another era would have counted. He's running on fumes so of course he's not going to be as good. And he's played last two games against Chelsea and Man U. I think he's superb and tonight hasn't changed one thing for me. He needs help and a rest and Keinan Davis ain't it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 01, 2021, 11:15:57 PM
In full agreement Toronto
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: AV82EC on January 01, 2021, 11:29:01 PM
He wasnít quite as effective tonight but the lack of service he got from his wide attackers was non existent. The capabilities and quality of El Ghazi and Traore is the problem here not Ollie. Martial I thought was incredibly poor but contrast the service and quality from Fernandez and Pogba.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2021, 11:50:29 PM
He wasnít quite as effective tonight but the lack of service he got from his wide attackers was non existent. The capabilities and quality of El Ghazi and Traore is the problem here not Ollie. Martial I thought was incredibly poor but contrast the service and quality from Fernandez and Pogba.

Watkins missed three big chances and a top forward gets on that end of that brilliant Cash cross in the first half too. That's not remotely good enough and unfortunately for Watkins it has been that way for him for quite a while now.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2021, 12:16:03 AM
Felt he looked a little tired towards the end. He's having a crazy run, gets in such good positions but just can't seem to finish at the moment. Be nice to have another forward in the squad to share the burden with.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: myf on January 02, 2021, 12:39:47 AM
He wasnít quite as effective tonight but the lack of service he got from his wide attackers was non existent. The capabilities and quality of El Ghazi and Traore is the problem here not Ollie. Martial I thought was incredibly poor but contrast the service and quality from Fernandez and Pogba.

Watkins missed three big chances and a top forward gets on that end of that brilliant Cash cross in the first half too. That's not remotely good enough and unfortunately for Watkins it has been that way for him for quite a while now.

I agree. he missed a few sitters against palace as well.

don't buy the lack of service point either. we put so many crosses, corners and free kicks in the box but he is rarely on the end of them and too often misses when he does get a chance. I wish he would attack the front post

Appreciate he works very hard and holds it up reasonably well but not convinced he is the striker we need to fire us into Europe.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2021, 04:58:40 AM
Does not attack the space in front of goal, often goes in and then waits, gets marked.
Incredible work rate off the ball but does not time his runs into the danger areas.
Lacking cutting edge.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2021, 05:19:02 AM
Does not attack the space in front of goal, often goes in and then waits, gets marked.
Incredible work rate off the ball but does not time his runs into the danger areas.
Lacking cutting edge.

Hat trick goal vs Liverpool, goals vs Burton and Bristol City in the league cup, brave headed goal at Arsenal, goals disallowed vs West Ham and West Brom suggests he does attack the box and isnít afraid getting into those positions.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2021, 06:49:53 AM
Does not attack the space in front of goal, often goes in and then waits, gets marked.
Incredible work rate off the ball but does not time his runs into the danger areas.
Lacking cutting edge.

Hat trick goal vs Liverpool, goals vs Burton and Bristol City in the league cup, brave headed goal at Arsenal, goals disallowed vs West Ham and West Brom suggests he does attack the box and isnít afraid getting into those positions.
I said danger areas, I am pointing out that he. Is not getting across his defenders, is not attacking the near post at all and is not getting on the end of crosses. He has missed a lot of chances over the last few games.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: simboy on January 02, 2021, 08:46:28 AM
Thought he played well last night. Had a header brilliantly saved by De Gea and clearly gave the Yanited centre halves the run around. Heís quite isolated as a striker yet three of their back four booked says a helluva lot about how much pressure they were under from our attack. That has a lot to do with Watkins.

Going through a phase where he just needs to see one come off his backside into the net and heís off scoring again.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on January 02, 2021, 08:58:43 AM
Ollie Watkins is a fine player; one whom I have had in my fantasy team all season. He does so many good things and has clear goal instincts (watch his goals from the last couple of seasons to see a player who knows where he needs to be). My view is that he's not getting quite the right service from out wide: particularly from our right. Traore does not put the ball in quickly enough.
I think he would benefit from playing left of another striker. I was a great supporter of bringing Callum Wilson in over the summer. I wished we had done so, because the two of them would have scored shitloads together.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on January 02, 2021, 09:08:23 AM
It find it hard to criticise anyone last night, we played well, worked hard and everyone did their bit. His touch was a little loose near the end but that was probably tiredness and maybe a little frustration from the coupe of chances he missed. The header was unlucky, he went the right way, the keeper done well with it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2021, 09:18:28 AM
I think heís done bloody well. Letís not forget heís had two chalked off due to poor VAR calls. He nearly always forces a good save from the keeper every game. He needs a bit of luck, and also some opportunities to rest, but Iíve been really impressed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2021, 10:11:47 AM
He'll bang them in soon.

As soon as the service improves.
Mentioned last night, we're two first team players short of a top 6 team, both are wingers. Short that and we'll fly.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 10:18:12 AM
He'll bang them in soon.

As soon as the service improves.
Mentioned last night, we're two first team players short of a top 6 team, both are wingers. Short that and we'll fly.

You're right Mark.  El Ghazi has improved, but while his shooting is miles better, his all round play and creating chances for others is still not good enough. Traore, despite the goal, is mostly just a liability. Barkley makes us a much better team as Jack then plays in one of the wide spots.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Astnor on January 02, 2021, 10:29:24 AM
He used to be a winger. Put him on the right as we did in last minutes yesterday, he has pace, ball control and a lot positives about him. Kieran is Championship at best (sorry), get in a Peter White type to compete with Wesley as a number nine. Fixed :).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2021, 11:18:47 AM
He'll bang them in soon.

As soon as the service improves.
Mentioned last night, we're two first team players short of a top 6 team, both are wingers. Short that and we'll fly.

You're right Mark.  El Ghazi has improved, but while his shooting is miles better, his all round play and creating chances for others is still not good enough. Traore, despite the goal, is mostly just a liability. Barkley makes us a much better team as Jack then plays in one of the wide spots.

Yep. I agree with this. Barkley in the team last night in place of one or other would have made a big difference.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2021, 11:19:59 AM
And Watkins is great and will only get better. He's doing the right things but they just aren't coming off.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: john e on January 02, 2021, 11:31:35 AM
I like him he's good on the ball puts a shift in every game and is a great team player

I just want to see him to trouble the goalie a bit more

when the ball goes wide to Watkins and he's about to deliver the ball into the box anyone else find themselves shouting at the tv 'what are you doing out there' he should be in and around the box more for me that's where the majority of goals are scored from
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 02, 2021, 12:17:48 PM
I thought we put some fantastic balls into the box last night with 3 or 4 gilt-edged chances created. Watkins was in good positions but I think he needs more of a killer instinct in front goal. Gotta be more selfish and ruthless. I think heíll be a great striker but he needs to find a nasty streak.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on January 02, 2021, 12:29:34 PM
He'll bang them in soon.
As soon as the service improves.
Mentioned last night, we're two first team players short of a top 6 team, both are wingers. Short that and we'll fly.
You're right Mark.  El Ghazi has improved, but while his shooting is miles better, his all round play and creating chances for others is still not good enough. Traore, despite the goal, is mostly just a liability. Barkley makes us a much better team as Jack then plays in one of the wide spots.
Big question is Barkley's fitness: this hamstring of his has taken 6 weeks thus far; 7 if he were to play next week.
I agree he would provide us with the chance to play a more balanced team.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 02, 2021, 12:45:00 PM
And Watkins is great and will only get better. He's doing the right things but they just aren't coming off.

Agree, just a matter of time. The second half against Palace took a lot out of him, where he lead the line brilliantly. 48 hours later Chelsea then 72 hours later manure, itís hardly surprising that his performance looks tired.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: IFWaters on January 02, 2021, 01:04:31 PM
I like him he's good on the ball puts a shift in every game and is a great team player

I just want to see him to trouble the goalie a bit more

when the ball goes wide to Watkins and he's about to deliver the ball into the box anyone else find themselves shouting at the tv 'what are you doing out there' he should be in and around the box more for me that's where the majority of goals are scored from

Re him being out on the wing, Exactly ! Youre supposed to be in the box son ! Having said that he does alright out on the wing, combines well with our other players out there, its just we need a snarky poachy selfish linekerey type whose heatmap of his position on the pitch is a burning red blob between the penalty spot and 6 yard box. Someone with the mobility of Big Daddy and the reactions of a Ninja.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on January 02, 2021, 01:06:23 PM
He'll bang them in soon.
As soon as the service improves.
Mentioned last night, we're two first team players short of a top 6 team, both are wingers. Short that and we'll fly.
You're right Mark.  El Ghazi has improved, but while his shooting is miles better, his all round play and creating chances for others is still not good enough. Traore, despite the goal, is mostly just a liability. Barkley makes us a much better team as Jack then plays in one of the wide spots.
Big question is Barkley's fitness: this hamstring of his has taken 6 weeks thus far; 7 if he were to play next week.
I agree he would provide us with the chance to play a more balanced team.

6 weeks is pretty standard for a hamstring. It's better to be fully confident that it's healed than to risk him too early and lose him for another 4 weeks when an extra week may have been the sensible approach.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 02, 2021, 01:06:41 PM
Mick Quinn?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: IFWaters on January 02, 2021, 01:28:22 PM
Mick Quinn?
Or his latin cousin Diego Quinoa
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 02, 2021, 02:02:24 PM
Mick Quinn?



You donít hear about him much these days 🤔
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 02, 2021, 03:40:37 PM
Now the dust has settled, probably being a little unfair to Ollie.

Currently, most of his service is coming from either a 'shoot on sight' El Ghazi or Traore (who blows hot and cold for me). The only one I can accuse him of where he should have got on the end of it was the Cash cross, but considering the work rate he's put in this season, the lad can be excused for being knackered.

Barkley helps Ollie - Helps create much more space for him and gives defenders something else to think about besides stopping the wing play.

Do desperately need another option - Ollie needs a rest, as well as competition for places, so that when he is struggling for goals, someone can help share the burden.

Keep doing what you're doing Ollie - The goals will come!

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 02, 2021, 04:10:23 PM
I think when he scores, the flood gates will open.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: passport1 on January 02, 2021, 07:59:27 PM
Mick Quinn?



You donít hear about him much these days 🤔

The only thing that could stop him was the local bookies.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: CT on January 10, 2021, 09:00:04 PM
Something heís put on social media ďBlock out negative, focus on the positiveĒ.

Doesnít sound so good.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 10, 2021, 09:02:26 PM
Maybe it's his way of saying ignore Mourinho?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on January 10, 2021, 09:04:15 PM
Just sounds like a generic quote that many sport people put with their social media posts.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Lizz on January 10, 2021, 09:14:22 PM
Something heís put on social media ďBlock out negative, focus on the positiveĒ.

Doesnít sound so good.

Saw that on Instagram but didn't read anything into it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2021, 08:40:25 PM
Ollie XG is 9 yet he has scored only 6 goals so underperformed in goal scored this first half season i think olloe will soon be scoring and improving his numbers to even out as he's 3 behind what he should have scored and over next period of season like to think he'll increase his goals by finishing his chances.
One match recently he was desperately unlucky did everything but score.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2021, 10:16:14 PM
He'd be two goals better off in 99.99% of football's history and the woodwork hattrick against Palace was just one of those days. Now, like Gabrielle, he's ready to rise again (sorry, I was subjected to the first Bridgid Jones Diary film last night).
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2021, 05:26:52 PM
He'd be two goals better off in 99.99% of football's history and the woodwork hattrick against Palace was just one of those days. Now, like Gabrielle, he's ready to rise again (sorry, I was subjected to the first Bridgid Jones Diary film last night).

yeah, Dreams Can come true.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2021, 07:39:25 PM
Now that song I do endorse.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dave P on January 21, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
I'm putting it out there.  He's a very good player and works very very hard. But how long until we get concerned by his lack of goals?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2021, 12:52:49 PM
Not that concerned. Heís getting in the right places and heís been mugged off by two VAR decisions.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2021, 01:24:42 PM
Wish he had been the one waiting for the tap in for Ramsey instead of being the one who crossed it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on January 21, 2021, 01:34:01 PM
Wish he had been the one waiting for the tap in for Ramsey instead of being the one who crossed it.
I think he'd be more effective if he was alongside another out-and-out striker
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 21, 2021, 01:52:52 PM
Must be one of the most unlucky forwards we've ever had.

I thought he battled well last night and played good part in most of our counter attacks.

Should've had an assist aswell but Dias somehow from the ground scooped the ball past Ramsey when he was going to tap it in.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 21, 2021, 01:58:08 PM
That was great work by Dias tbf.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 21, 2021, 02:14:56 PM
That was great work by Dias tbf.

From what I saw the ball missed his sliding foot and then somehow looped up from the other foot and evaded Ramsey, many times you'd see a defender doing that clearence and it either ending up in his own goal or hitting the forward standing right by it.

You forget how late on in the game it was as two minutes later we had the joke goal so our gameplan was nearly perfect.

Mind you straight after Mings sliced an average cross and that somehow didn't go in. Was convinced we'd get a 0-0 from that point.

When you play the top teams small details like that  decide things. And VAR of course.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 21, 2021, 08:00:11 PM
He's not perfect.  He's not the finished article.  But boy does he give it everything for the good of the team as a whole.  It's been many a year since I've enjoyed watching a Villa forward as much as I'm enjoying watching Ollie Watkins this season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Gerrin on January 21, 2021, 08:35:51 PM
Not that concerned. Heís getting in the right places and heís been mugged off by two VAR decisions.

Totally agree, we're fortunately not reliable on a single goal scorer for the atm. I've seen enough of him so far to be convinced the goals will come. It's his first season in the PL.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: garyellis on January 21, 2021, 08:40:13 PM
He's not perfect.  He's not the finished article.  But boy does he give it everything for the good of the team as a whole.  It's been many a year since I've enjoyed watching a Villa forward as much as I'm enjoying watching Ollie Watkins this season.
He has the potential to be as good as Dwight Yorke was for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 21, 2021, 10:56:40 PM
Patience, heíll be fine
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dave P on January 22, 2021, 08:43:33 AM
Can I saw, this all mirrors my view too.  I think he is magic and the goals will come.  His work rate is exceptional.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2021, 08:58:25 AM
He needs a goal though. No better side than Newcastle to start filling his boots.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dicedlam on January 22, 2021, 10:16:53 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this lad is going to become top drawer and will play for England in the very near future.
Having Barkley back through the middle and Jack playing back in his more usual role out wide will help with him getting more goals.

Absolutely no concerns with Ollie whatsoever.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2021, 12:02:21 PM
There were a few occaisions where he made the wrong runs when we had an attacking advantage in player numbers.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: WassallVillain on January 22, 2021, 01:11:31 PM
He was mentioned by Pep G. So heís getting recognition from opposing managers as to what qualities he brings to the team.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2021, 02:32:51 PM
He was mentioned by Pep G. So heís getting recognition from opposing managers as to what qualities he brings to the team.

What was said WV?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dave P on January 24, 2021, 07:40:53 AM
I'm putting it out there.  He's a very good player and works very very hard. But how long until we get concerned by his lack of goals?

Youíre all welcome.  Now for my next comment.  Dean Smith - is anybody else concerned his not won us the title?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 24, 2021, 08:21:05 AM
AqqqI liked that he attacked the q6 yard box, I do not like him dropping deep to be involved in play.
He is a great talent and has bags of potential.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: WassallVillain on January 24, 2021, 10:34:25 AM
He was mentioned by Pep G. So heís getting recognition from opposing managers as to what qualities he brings to the team.

What was said WV?
Sorry been away. Pep was pretty complimentary about all the forward power but commented particularly on Watkins strength and hold up play.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: colin69 on January 24, 2021, 10:47:03 AM
As Jamie Carragher said a number of times last night itís not all about goals as his all round play is excellent. Deano knew exactly what he was getting, as he did with Ezri and just look at how he is flourishing.
I look forward to many seasons of goals from Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on January 24, 2021, 10:52:25 AM
He's such a down to earth lad too.  Very humble, speaks well when interviewed.  England squad beckons.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2021, 11:08:17 AM
He's such a down to earth lad too.  Very humble, speaks well when interviewed.  England squad beckons.

I think he's been a little bit too 'nice' at times this season, almost like he can't quite believe he belongs at this level. Which he absolutey does, he's got all the talent and work rate in the world. I think he just needs to add a bit more of a ruthless streak. Hand out a bollocking or two if another forward doesn't play him in etc.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2021, 11:12:47 AM
He was trying to point out something to El Ghazi as they both left the pitch. Looked like he was telling him to play him in, perhaps referring to Trez's late effort.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 24, 2021, 11:21:30 AM
He was trying to point out something to El Ghazi as they both left the pitch. Looked like he was telling him to play him in, perhaps referring to Trez's late effort.
yes he was. I dont think elghazi was too impressed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
His finish for the offside goal was excellent.

He's very Vardy like in my opinion. He plays off the shoulder and for 90 minutes he runs the centre halves and the full backs. Down the channels, left or right, through the middle, he is a non-stop nuisance.

Vardy is obviously become very prolific, but the man has more devilment than Ollie. If he can add that to his game, then he will improve further.

The worry is, he is so crucial to how we play, that we need somebody as dogged as him as back up. Yes goals count and 7 in 17 is good and puts him on 15 for the season, but the effect his running has cannot be ignored.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on January 24, 2021, 11:38:17 AM
His finish for the offside goal was excellent.

I just came on here to say the same. I was wanting him to play it across the box but smashed it low with his weeker foot right into the corner. Great finish.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2021, 11:53:22 AM
His finish for the offside goal was excellent.

I just came on here to say the same. I was wanting him to play it across the box but smashed it low with his weeker foot right into the corner. Great finish.

Not just the strike, the half yard he made to get it away was top drawer too.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rory on January 24, 2021, 12:40:08 PM
He's such a down to earth lad too.  Very humble, speaks well when interviewed.  England squad beckons.

I think he's been a little bit too 'nice' at times this season, almost like he can't quite believe he belongs at this level. Which he absolutey does, he's got all the talent and work rate in the world. I think he just needs to add a bit more of a ruthless streak. Hand out a bollocking or two if another forward doesn't play him in etc.

Hopefully that ruthlessness will come as he plays more games and scores many more goals 🙂
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on January 24, 2021, 02:00:00 PM
I'm glad he scored he played well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2021, 02:15:44 PM
I noticed a really interesting stat earlier, Watkins has played 17 league games and got 7 goals but if you split that into games with and without Barkley in the team it's 7 in 7 and 0 in 10. It might be a coincidence but it does seem that having another player breaking into the box and occupying defenders is key to getting the most out of Ollie in terms of goals.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 24, 2021, 02:49:35 PM
I noticed a really interesting stat earlier, Watkins has played 17 league games and got 7 goals but if you split that into games with and without Barkley in the team it's 7 in 7 and 0 in 10.

Another reason why we must do everything we can to keep Barkley with us for next season regardless of his injury history.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dr Butler on January 24, 2021, 02:53:08 PM
I'm glad he scored he played well.

same here Darren, I really like him as a player...

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2021, 03:13:57 PM
His finish for the offside goal was excellent.

He's very Vardy like in my opinion. He plays off the shoulder and for 90 minutes he runs the centre halves and the full backs. Down the channels, left or right, through the middle, he is a non-stop nuisance.

Vardy is obviously become very prolific, but the man has more devilment than Ollie. If he can add that to his game, then he will improve further.

The worry is, he is so crucial to how we play, that we need somebody as dogged as him as back up. Yes goals count and 7 in 17 is good and puts him on 15 for the season, but the effect his running has cannot be ignored.

The great thing is we are not solely reliant on him. He should have a few more this season but his hold up play and intense running creates spaces and opportunities for others. We are such a threat now because goals can come from anywhere.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on January 24, 2021, 07:04:28 PM
He may need to work on his timing a little. He's on the shoulder so much that he seems to be borderline offside all the time.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 24, 2021, 07:21:59 PM
Letís face it heís becoming the player that we all wished for.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2021, 07:29:11 PM
Letís face it heís becoming the player that we all wished for.

Yeah I love him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rory on January 24, 2021, 07:31:16 PM
Letís face it heís becoming the player that we all wished for.

Yeah I love him.

Agreed Percy. Everything just feels 'right'.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 24, 2021, 07:42:29 PM
He's the perfect striker for the 4-5-1 Era. It's cheating, really. We are basically playing 4-5-2, maybe even 4-5-3. He works so hard. Fantastic player.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aj2k77 on January 24, 2021, 07:47:24 PM
He's much more physical than I thought he'd be.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on January 24, 2021, 08:09:57 PM
He may need to work on his timing a little. He's on the shoulder so much that he seems to be borderline offside all the time.

Might have got away with it a bit more in the championship perhaps with no VAR. Really shouldn't have been caught offside for the second one yesterday, looking across the line. Same v West Brom. But he is getting in the right positions anyway, something we didn't have at all last season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: frank black on January 24, 2021, 08:47:34 PM
He's much more physical than I thought he'd be.

Unless he feels a slight touch in the box, of course.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: usav on January 24, 2021, 09:08:17 PM
He's much more physical than I thought he'd be.

Unless he feels a slight touch in the box, of course.

Yep, actually got annoyed with him yesterday for going down way too easily.  Gave up good potential scoring opportunities trying to cheat.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2021, 09:09:58 PM
Bit strong.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 24, 2021, 09:13:34 PM
He's much more physical than I thought he'd be.

Unless he feels a slight touch in the box, of course.

Yep, actually got annoyed with him yesterday for going down way too easily.  Gave up good potential scoring opportunities trying to cheat.


It looked a soft one
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 24, 2021, 09:16:40 PM
It works for manure
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2021, 09:22:15 PM
Letís face it heís becoming the player that we all wished for.

Yeah I love him.

Agreed Percy. Everything just feels 'right'.

Why don't we live together?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: usav on January 24, 2021, 09:26:19 PM
Bit strong.

Possibly.  I love every part of his game other than that.....needs to stay on his feet.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 25, 2021, 04:07:03 AM
He may need to work on his timing a little. He's on the shoulder so much that he seems to be borderline offside all the time.

Might have got away with it a bit more in the championship perhaps with no VAR. Really shouldn't have been caught offside for the second one yesterday, looking across the line. Same v West Brom. But he is getting in the right positions anyway, something we didn't have at all last season.

I'm a huge fan of his but he does need to work on staying onside.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Havencheese on January 25, 2021, 05:54:02 AM
I want to see him take his man on a bit more in dribbling situations. It may not be his forte and he can lay it off to someone but on a couple occasions I wanted to see him take his opponent on into the box, doesnít take much contact these days to ask the question for a pen even if heís not in a manure shirt.

Another thing Iíve noticed is that I reckon heís way too hard on himself. All players get frustrated and itís good to have high expectations, he comes across as the consummate professional but I feel part of his drought may have been to do with dwelling on missed opportunities rather than resetting, being composed to focusing on seizing the next opportunity.

We really have a player though, seriously, Ollieís been worth every penny and heís only going to get better in this setup.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2021, 08:31:19 AM
Bit strong.

Possibly.  I love every part of his game other than that.....needs to stay on his feet.

Staying on your feet doesn't work. Diving is a direct consequence of fouls only being given if you fall over so falling over with any contact in the box is the right thing to do. It's shit but it works.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2021, 10:00:00 AM
His body language after something doesn't come off is like a grumpy schoolkid, either pissed off at those around him or lacking confidence in himself.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Havencheese on January 25, 2021, 02:16:37 PM
His body language after something doesn't come off is like a grumpy schoolkid, either pissed off at those around him or lacking confidence in himself.

I think it's the latter. After Liverpool, he's scalding himself for not getting a hattrick or four after a 7-2 win. Fine line between being professional and being too hard on oneself. Can't say it's something I'm too worried about, just part of his evolution. He's making others shine with his workrate but there's a cracking finisher in there in time.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: fredm on January 25, 2021, 02:30:14 PM
He may need to work on his timing a little. He's on the shoulder so much that he seems to be borderline offside all the time.

Might have got away with it a bit more in the championship perhaps with no VAR. Really shouldn't have been caught offside for the second one yesterday, looking across the line. Same v West Brom. But he is getting in the right positions anyway, something we didn't have at all last season.

I'm a huge fan of his but he does need to work on staying onside.

But also I think the others, especially Grealish need to release the ball that little bit quicker.  Ollie sees they have the ball, sees the gap and goes past the defender before the defender has time to adjust his body position to chase him.  Unfortunately if the ball isn't released until a second or two later, he finds that he is offside.  If he waits until he sees the ball is being released then the defender also has time to adjust himself and make the tackle.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on January 25, 2021, 04:53:45 PM
But also I think the others, especially Grealish need to release the ball that little bit quicker.  Ollie sees they have the ball, sees the gap and goes past the defender before the defender has time to adjust his body position to chase him.  Unfortunately if the ball isn't released until a second or two later, he finds that he is offside.  If he waits until he sees the ball is being released then the defender also has time to adjust himself and make the tackle.
There's some truth in this, Fred.
I think he may struggle against the physicality of Tarkowski and Mee on Wednesday: a good test for him (hope he survives!). Perhaps it's time to put Davis up front (to draw the 2 Burnley CB) and play Watkins in a wide role? - just a thought. Won't happen!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2021, 09:43:34 AM
But also I think the others, especially Grealish need to release the ball that little bit quicker.  Ollie sees they have the ball, sees the gap and goes past the defender before the defender has time to adjust his body position to chase him.  Unfortunately if the ball isn't released until a second or two later, he finds that he is offside.  If he waits until he sees the ball is being released then the defender also has time to adjust himself and make the tackle.
There's some truth in this, Fred.
I think he may struggle against the physicality of Tarkowski and Mee on Wednesday: a good test for him (hope he survives!). Perhaps it's time to put Davis up front (to draw the 2 Burnley CB) and play Watkins in a wide role? - just a thought. Won't happen!

Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2021, 09:57:22 AM
But also I think the others, especially Grealish need to release the ball that little bit quicker.  Ollie sees they have the ball, sees the gap and goes past the defender before the defender has time to adjust his body position to chase him.  Unfortunately if the ball isn't released until a second or two later, he finds that he is offside.  If he waits until he sees the ball is being released then the defender also has time to adjust himself and make the tackle.
There's some truth in this, Fred.
I think he may struggle against the physicality of Tarkowski and Mee on Wednesday: a good test for him (hope he survives!). Perhaps it's time to put Davis up front (to draw the 2 Burnley CB) and play Watkins in a wide role? - just a thought. Won't happen!

Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope!

I concur. Why on earth would we want Davis starting?!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on January 26, 2021, 11:48:20 AM
But also I think the others, especially Grealish need to release the ball that little bit quicker.  Ollie sees they have the ball, sees the gap and goes past the defender before the defender has time to adjust his body position to chase him.  Unfortunately if the ball isn't released until a second or two later, he finds that he is offside.  If he waits until he sees the ball is being released then the defender also has time to adjust himself and make the tackle.
There's some truth in this, Fred.
I think he may struggle against the physicality of Tarkowski and Mee on Wednesday: a good test for him (hope he survives!). Perhaps it's time to put Davis up front (to draw the 2 Burnley CB) and play Watkins in a wide role? - just a thought. Won't happen!
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope!
I concur. Why on earth would we want Davis starting?!
Yeah, I know.

Just thinking about the physicality of the Burnley CB and giving Watkins a more fluid role. I don't want him getting 'done' as Wesley was.
It was a crazy idea ...
... I'll have to review my medication.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2021, 11:57:00 AM
I'd say Davis is far more likely to end up injured than Ollie is, given that he seems to pull a muscle just lacing up his boots.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2021, 02:16:28 PM
I'd prefer Watkins' pace up against those cloggers, he'll run them ragged.

I think his first touch has let him down once or twice, but that's pretty much my only criticism, other than needing to hold his run for a nanosecond longer so as not to be offside again.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2021, 04:03:10 PM
I'd prefer Watkins' pace up against those cloggers, he'll run them ragged.

I think his first touch has let him down once or twice, but that's pretty much my only criticism, other than needing to hold his run for a nanosecond longer so as not to be offside again.

It let him down against Palace and AEG smashed a ball into the net at 1000mph from the lay off. But otherwise he has been very good and rarely loses possession in key areas.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: WassallVillain on January 26, 2021, 08:05:10 PM
I'd prefer Watkins' pace up against those cloggers, he'll run them ragged.

I think his first touch has let him down once or twice, but that's pretty much my only criticism, other than needing to hold his run for a nanosecond longer so as not to be offside again.

It let him down against Palace and AEG smashed a ball into the net at 1000mph from the lay off. But otherwise he has been very good and rarely loses possession in key areas.
Iím sure it was a measured pass.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2021, 08:39:36 PM
I'd prefer Watkins' pace up against those cloggers, he'll run them ragged.

I think his first touch has let him down once or twice, but that's pretty much my only criticism, other than needing to hold his run for a nanosecond longer so as not to be offside again.

It let him down against Palace and AEG smashed a ball into the net at 1000mph from the lay off. But otherwise he has been very good and rarely loses possession in key areas.
Iím sure it was a measured pass.

the pass to AEG was fine it was his initial touch that let him down from Jack's pass and stopped him from having the chance himself.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 28, 2021, 03:16:41 AM
Poor decision making last night
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Vegas on January 28, 2021, 08:33:30 AM
Poor decision making last night

Once or twice, yes. But still loads of energy, and great movement with a tidy finish for his goal. Love what he brings.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on January 28, 2021, 08:44:28 AM
I think the first half was his best 45 since Liverpool at home.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 28, 2021, 10:43:37 AM
I think the first half was his best 45 since Liverpool at home.

Nah, his best game since was against Palace IMO
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Smithy on January 28, 2021, 01:06:42 PM
He'll be disappointed in missing his 1-on-1 with Pope, especially given how significant the miss ended up being, but he was still pretty good last night.  He's still going to make mistakes, because he's still learning at this level, and let's not forget players in his position that rarely make any mistakes cost £100m+.

He took his goal really well, and yes, he should have had another, but he certainly looks like he could get 20 goals this season if he stays fit.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on January 28, 2021, 02:23:24 PM
15+ league goals would be great. 20, first since Benteke (or Withe?) would be amazeballs.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: DrGonzo on January 28, 2021, 05:04:55 PM
That's 8 on the season and 2 in 2.  He's been denied by the woodwork 4 times and by VAR 3 times.  He can pass, he can shoot 45% on target and he is strong and quick...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Somniloquism on January 28, 2021, 06:04:18 PM
15+ league goals would be great. 20, first since Benteke (or Withe?) would be amazeballs.

If you are talking league goals, then Withe.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on January 29, 2021, 08:19:14 AM
15+ league goals would be great. 20, first since Benteke (or Withe?) would be amazeballs.

If you are talking league goals, then Withe.

Abraham surely?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on January 29, 2021, 08:31:03 AM
15+ league goals would be great. 20, first since Benteke (or Withe?) would be amazeballs.

If you are talking league goals, then Withe.

Abraham surely?
We're Aston Villa -- anything below the top flight is an abomination and doesn't count.  It's against teams of the quality of Small Heath, after all.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on January 29, 2021, 09:39:39 AM
15+ league goals would be great. 20, first since Benteke (or Withe?) would be amazeballs.

If you are talking league goals, then Withe.

Abraham surely?
We're Aston Villa -- anything below the top flight is an abomination and doesn't count.  It's against teams of the quality of Small Heath, after all.

OF course, what on earth was I thinking?!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 31, 2021, 12:04:33 PM
What a player Ollie is! He's a proper team player who works his socks off. He pops up left, right and centre. With a bit of luck he would have more than his 8 PL goals. He presses the opposition defence constantly and last night vs Soton I'm sure I saw him popping up in the left back position (at least twice) making tackles. A very impressive debut season, with the prospect of him only getting better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2021, 12:50:21 PM
That drag back control last night was a thing of beauty, shame the keeper was up to the task.

He'll lead our line for years to come and will improve year on year for a few of them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 31, 2021, 01:01:46 PM
He's a decent player no argument but what makes a very good forward is the ability to take chances quickly, Ollie holds onto the ball too long imo
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 31, 2021, 02:04:30 PM
He's a decent player no argument but what makes a very good forward is the ability to take chances quickly, Ollie holds onto the ball too long imo

Heís been in this league 6 months. Heís scoring goals, making goals, making chances, holding up the ball and giving the opposition defenders a torrid time, what more can he do, give him a break
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2021, 02:09:51 PM
I am genuinely excited about how good he can become.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2021, 02:11:34 PM
He's a decent player no argument but what makes a very good forward is the ability to take chances quickly, Ollie holds onto the ball too long imo

He is much more than a ďdecent playerĒ. Heís had a bloody great start. Yes heíll improve, but heís done great.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Moonraker on January 31, 2021, 02:34:09 PM
Fully agree on his ability to take chances quickly. Showed up yesterday when he had two efforts in the penalty area, one right footed which was saved and came back to his left  which he pinged just past the post. But it was a composed shot with little reaction time
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 04, 2021, 09:48:06 AM
Nice that Ollie is back on the goal scoring trail. Hope he learns (and Iím sure he will) from last night - two really poor control mistakes directly contributed to two goals. I felt particularly for the first one it was like heíd switched off for a moment.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 04, 2021, 09:59:55 AM
Nice that Ollie is back on the goal scoring trail. Hope he learns (and Iím sure he will) from last night - two really poor control mistakes directly contributed to two goals. I felt particularly for the first one it was like heíd switched off for a moment.
I don't disagree his control was poor at times - but for poor control in the opposition area to lead directly to a goal means there were a fair few others not doing there jobs in between!  Harsh to blame Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 04, 2021, 10:04:15 AM
Nice that Ollie is back on the goal scoring trail. Hope he learns (and Iím sure he will) from last night - two really poor control mistakes directly contributed to two goals. I felt particularly for the first one it was like heíd switched off for a moment.
I don't disagree his control was poor at times - but for poor control in the opposition area to lead directly to a goal means there were a fair few others not doing there jobs in between!  Harsh to blame Ollie.

Totally agree Duncan
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 04, 2021, 10:29:13 AM
Why are we still hoofing the ball up to him?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2021, 10:58:13 AM
Why are we still hoofing the ball up to him?

God knows. If there's one thing last night showed, it's that holding long balls up absolutely isn't his game. Running onto balls, whether out wide, or through the middle as for his goal is how we should be doing it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 05, 2021, 02:40:33 AM
Agreed.

Deano referred to this in his post-match interview.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ROBBO on February 05, 2021, 08:25:56 AM
He is doing his job and drags defenders wide, we just have to get the forwards taking advantage.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: andyh on February 05, 2021, 09:59:40 AM
Ollie is beyond reproach.
He is working his bollocks off, leading the line and scoring goals.
All after a ginormous step up in standard from where he has previously played.

For the price we paid, heís looking a bloody bargain.



Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 05, 2021, 10:52:01 AM
Nice that Ollie is back on the goal scoring trail. Hope he learns (and Iím sure he will) from last night - two really poor control mistakes directly contributed to two goals. I felt particularly for the first one it was like heíd switched off for a moment.
I don't disagree his control was poor at times - but for poor control in the opposition area to lead directly to a goal means there were a fair few others not doing there jobs in between!  Harsh to blame Ollie.

Totally agree Duncan

Ollie did lose possession for a couple of the goals but we were absolutely wide open and there was so much time and opportunity to try and prevent the West Ham counter attacks.
He's tireless worker for the team  and an absolute machine for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on February 05, 2021, 11:49:13 AM
That's something we've struggled with in home games when teams have set-up to be organised and hit us on the counter...over-committing and allowing ourselves to be vulnerable to the counter. Definitely an area that we need to improve on.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on February 05, 2021, 12:28:52 PM
His touch does need improving though. At times he is well capable of winning a physical battle with a centre back but his first touch can be very wooden. Or he tries to run with the ball and loses it quickly when he should be laying it off. One for him to maybe practice with Jack, getting his body between himself and the defender is key, handy way of winning free kicks.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on February 05, 2021, 04:21:07 PM
He's not a hold up player, that would, in our current formation/line-up, be Grealish. On Wednesday when there was lots of coverage we needed someone else who could do that role. That's why AEG was an odd choice as that's not his thing at all, Traore is better at it.

Watkins is a goalscorer, he harries and chases lost causes, and the amount of distance he covers in a match must be something else for someone playing in his position.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: CT on February 05, 2021, 09:16:38 PM
He's a decent player no argument but what makes a very good forward is the ability to take chances quickly, Ollie holds onto the ball too long imo

He is much more than a ďdecent playerĒ. Heís had a bloody great start. Yes heíll improve, but heís done great.

Iíve listened to a lot of ex strikers over the last few weeks who have all waxed lyrical about Ollie and what he brings to the team, even when the goals dried up a bit. Heís working of the channels comes in for some significant praise.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on February 06, 2021, 06:20:31 PM
I'm so glad we have signed him his scoring record is brilliant.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 06, 2021, 06:29:30 PM
Really hope he gets to 20, but to be on 10 with so much of the season left is a great effort. Think he will end up on 16-17 but will be rested a bit when Wesley comes back.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on February 06, 2021, 06:41:33 PM
Really hope he gets to 20, but to be on 10 with so much of the season left is a great effort. Think he will end up on 16-17 but will be rested a bit when Wesley comes back.

Don't think he'll need a rest. We don't have any more midweek games, so a game a week should be fine for all the squad. Our players have mostly played considerably fewer games so far than some players for the likes of Man City etc.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: AV82EC on February 06, 2021, 07:36:18 PM
Really hope he gets to 20, but to be on 10 with so much of the season left is a great effort. Think he will end up on 16-17 but will be rested a bit when Wesley comes back.

Don't think he'll need a rest. We don't have any more midweek games, so a game a week should be fine for all the squad. Our players have mostly played considerably fewer games so far than some players for the likes of Man City etc.

Pedant alert - we're likely to have 2 more midweek fixtures as we need to play our catch up games against Everton and Tottenham.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2021, 10:54:27 PM
Ollie is a brilliant striker. He has good instincts and he also works so hard. Heís the sort of player you know will keep getting better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 06, 2021, 11:08:37 PM
Really hope he gets to 20, but to be on 10 with so much of the season left is a great effort. Think he will end up on 16-17 but will be rested a bit when Wesley comes back.

Don't think he'll need a rest. We don't have any more midweek games, so a game a week should be fine for all the squad. Our players have mostly played considerably fewer games so far than some players for the likes of Man City etc.

Agree he won't necessarily need one, but I think the club will want to see Wesley start a few games. If nothing else they need to assess if he is able to play at this level so they can replace him in the summer if not. I am not writing him off especially given the incredible improvement in players like Targett this season but it is a bad injury he is coming back from and he will need game time to assess his level.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: KevinGage on February 06, 2021, 11:14:08 PM
We'll be doing well to give Wesley 15/20 minutes here and there between now and the end of the season.

Can't see him starting unless injury or suspension forces our hand.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on February 06, 2021, 11:15:08 PM
I think today was perhaps his most complete performance. Defended from the front but also got plenty of shots off. Great engine, ability and attitude.

I wonder if his goal will be chalked off by the dubious goals panel. His shot was going in the opposite direction (wide?) before the deflection.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: KevinGage on February 06, 2021, 11:20:57 PM


I wonder if his goal will be chalked off by the dubious goals panel. His shot was going in the opposite direction (wide?) before the deflection.

Aye, my concern as well.

They'll have twats policing that sort of thing or giving out yellow cards for goal celebrations.

But no interest at all in fixing the bigger issues.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 06, 2021, 11:23:17 PM
I think today was perhaps his most complete performance. Defended from the front but also got plenty of shots off. Great engine, ability and attitude.

I wonder if his goal will be chalked off by the dubious goals panel. His shot was going in the opposite direction (wide?) before the deflection.

No, I think it was on target, so it'll stand. Nowhere near where it ended up, mind!

Did anybody else nearly fall off the sofa leaning over trying to make that one that bobbled wide go in?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 06, 2021, 11:36:22 PM


I wonder if his goal will be chalked off by the dubious goals panel. His shot was going in the opposite direction (wide?) before the deflection.

Aye, my concern as well.

They'll have twats policing that sort of thing or giving out yellow cards for goal celebrations.

But no interest at all in fixing the bigger issues.

No chance. It would almost certainly have been saved but no way was it going wide.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villa Lew on February 07, 2021, 11:02:03 AM
Think he's been a brilliant signing, his work rate is unbelievable, can't think of too many, if any, strikers in the league I would swop him for and he's only gonna get better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2021, 01:32:56 PM
Think he's been a brilliant signing, his work rate is unbelievable, can't think of too many, if any, strikers in the league I would swop him for and he's only gonna get better.

Agree totally. Ten goals in his first Premier League season would be a reasonable return for any young player from the Championship. The fact that he's done it at the halfway point is brilliant.  It could and should be more as well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2021, 01:48:16 PM
Ollie is a brilliant striker. He has good instincts and he also works so hard. Heís the sort of player you know will keep getting better.

Agree with all that. Also from watching MOTD pretty sure there was a moment in the first half when he received a long high ball on the left and just killed it with his first touch.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on February 07, 2021, 06:10:51 PM
Ollie is a brilliant striker. He has good instincts and he also works so hard. Heís the sort of player you know will keep getting better.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 08, 2021, 04:36:49 PM
He needed that two week break.

Been very happy with him since we started playing again. Finishing touch returned and all round game is still good.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Martin Carruthers on February 08, 2021, 04:57:03 PM
He seems quite an articulate chap as well. Don't know if it's deliberate, but we seem to have more than our fair share of players that have more about them than the usual footballer stereotype.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: FatSam on February 08, 2021, 05:00:32 PM
He seems quite an articulate chap as well. Don't know if it's deliberate, but we seem to have more than our fair share of players that have more about them than the usual footballer stereotype.
It's obviously not the same as articulacy, but I'm enjoying the 'no dickheads' policy that has been mentioned a few times. As well as leading towards a happy squad, I find it easier to like them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on February 08, 2021, 05:08:52 PM
We save acting the dickhead for when we're on the pitch. Better that way obvs.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: DrGonzo on February 08, 2021, 05:13:07 PM
I've very much chuckled reading the last few pages, you can follow the pattern of our win/loss record by the tone of the posts about Ollie.  He is either brilliant or not dependent on whether Vlla have won or lost!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 08, 2021, 05:19:42 PM
I love the bloke - best all round striker we've had since Yorke.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on February 08, 2021, 05:22:56 PM
I love the bloke - best all round striker we've had since Yorke.

Better than Benteke? I think he will be in time, not the 'now'  Benteke of course, our version.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 08, 2021, 05:24:38 PM
I love the bloke - best all round striker we've had since Yorke.

Better than Benteke? I think he will be in time, not the 'now'  Benteke of course, our version.
Yeah, I think Benteke lacked in some areas Ollie doesn't - like movement and pace. I'm not saying Benteke was poor - he was class for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on February 08, 2021, 05:28:33 PM
I love the bloke - best all round striker we've had since Yorke.

Better than Benteke? I think he will be in time, not the 'now'  Benteke of course, our version.
Yeah, I think Benteke lacked in some areas Ollie doesn't - like movement and pace. I'm not saying Benteke was poor - he was class for us.

Agreed, although Benteke was better in the air and his all round finishing was stronger too, he usually had a lot less of the ball to work with.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on February 08, 2021, 06:25:05 PM
I've very much chuckled reading the last few pages, you can follow the pattern of our win/loss record by the tone of the posts about Ollie.  He is either brilliant or not dependent on whether Vlla have won or lost!

Dolly O'Leary rolled his eyes scrolling through this thread from his Harrogate mansion earlier today, muttering something about sugar bags.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 08, 2021, 06:38:39 PM
I love the bloke - best all round striker we've had since Yorke.

Better than Benteke? I think he will be in time, not the 'now'  Benteke of course, our version.
Yeah, I think Benteke lacked in some areas Ollie doesn't - like movement and pace. I'm not saying Benteke was poor - he was class for us.

Agreed, although Benteke was better in the air and his all round finishing was stronger too, he usually had a lot less of the ball to work with.
sadly for Benteke - he never played in a good Villa side. He'd have been even better with some decent players around him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dave on February 08, 2021, 06:55:58 PM
From F365's Winners & Losers section

Quote
Ollie Watkins

Boy is he loving life in the Premier League; there arenít many better sights in the top flight than Watkinsí broad grin that marks another league goal. Heís now on 10 for the season, as many as he managed in his entire debut Championship campaign in 2018/19. Itís easy to forget that Watkins had never played higher than League Two level at the age of 21. Having turned 25 in December, heís knocking politely on Gareth Southgateís door.

But Watkinsí impact is only partly demonstrated by the goals he scores. Some lone central strikers wait for service, preferring to conserve energy and drift under the radar of centre-backs before springing into action. He is the opposite, constantly running the channels and harrying defenders into knocking the ball long. He lies second for chances created at Aston Villa and second only to Harry Kane of all centre-forwards in the Premier League.

That workload inevitably saps your energy, and so to Watkinsí greatest asset of all: his consistency of form and fitness. Since the beginning of last season (when still at Brentford), Watkins has played 6,320 of a possible 6,330 league minutes. Being lauded for being on the pitch might feel a little like damning with faint praise, but it shouldnít. Dean Smith is able to build an attack around Watkins because heís always there, always giving his all and nearly always making it work.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: JD on February 09, 2021, 06:01:25 AM
From F365's Winners & Losers section

Quote
Ollie Watkins

Boy is he loving life in the Premier League; there arenít many better sights in the top flight than Watkinsí broad grin that marks another league goal. Heís now on 10 for the season, as many as he managed in his entire debut Championship campaign in 2018/19. Itís easy to forget that Watkins had never played higher than League Two level at the age of 21. Having turned 25 in December, heís knocking politely on Gareth Southgateís door.

But Watkinsí impact is only partly demonstrated by the goals he scores. Some lone central strikers wait for service, preferring to conserve energy and drift under the radar of centre-backs before springing into action. He is the opposite, constantly running the channels and harrying defenders into knocking the ball long. He lies second for chances created at Aston Villa and second only to Harry Kane of all centre-forwards in the Premier League.

That workload inevitably saps your energy, and so to Watkinsí greatest asset of all: his consistency of form and fitness. Since the beginning of last season (when still at Brentford), Watkins has played 6,320 of a possible 6,330 league minutes. Being lauded for being on the pitch might feel a little like damning with faint praise, but it shouldnít. Dean Smith is able to build an attack around Watkins because heís always there, always giving his all and nearly always making it work.

What a great write up. Ollie is certainly getting noticed.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on February 09, 2021, 11:06:30 AM
He's played 6,320 of the last 6,330 minutes of league football. Great stat.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: jwarry on February 09, 2021, 03:14:56 PM
And I live this

And Watkins said of his new surroundings: "The facilities at Bodymoor Heath are huge. The pool, sauna and everything. They're making an even bigger complex as well. The family came around and we got a tour of Villa Park. I got my mum taking her shoes off saying, 'I want to feel the pitch with my shoes off'. I had my older brother pretending to score and celebrating. Fans would have loved it!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on February 11, 2021, 01:02:11 PM
And I live this

And Watkins said of his new surroundings: "The facilities at Bodymoor Heath are huge. The pool, sauna and everything. They're making an even bigger complex as well. The family came around and we got a tour of Villa Park. I got my mum taking her shoes off saying, 'I want to feel the pitch with my shoes off'. I had my older brother pretending to score and celebrating. Fans would have loved it!
That's fantastic.  Struggling to think of any players in the current Villa squad that I don't like, but Ollie's just great.  Brilliant player, and comes across as a really nice, grounded chap.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 11, 2021, 01:10:01 PM
And I live this

And Watkins said of his new surroundings: "The facilities at Bodymoor Heath are huge. The pool, sauna and everything. They're making an even bigger complex as well. The family came around and we got a tour of Villa Park. I got my mum taking her shoes off saying, 'I want to feel the pitch with my shoes off'. I had my older brother pretending to score and celebrating. Fans would have loved it!
That's fantastic.  Struggling to think of any players in the current Villa squad that I don't like, but Ollie's just great.  Brilliant player, and comes across as a really nice, grounded chap.

Go back a few years and that statement was the complete opposite - what a fantastic turnaround
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Jimsta on March 06, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
Can someone please tell Watkins that his number 11 on his back doesn't mean you have to hit the woodwork 11 times this season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 06, 2021, 07:48:53 PM
New Dean Saunders.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: CT on March 06, 2021, 08:43:28 PM
So unlucky tonight, as mentioned seems to have the ďDean SaundersĒ woodwork syndrome.

A real lack of quality around him tonight though.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 06, 2021, 09:43:12 PM
Love his attitude but is a long way from a top level centre forward. Not helped by a lack of support but still makes too many poor decisions on the ball.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 06, 2021, 10:20:18 PM
Doing pretty bloody well for his first season in the top flight.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on March 06, 2021, 10:24:30 PM
That shot would have been a goal of the season contender. Beautiful pace and dip to it, of all the players at the club I thought only El Ghazi had that type of technique. Ironically, the one time he should have shot and didn't, he failed to find Bert.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 06, 2021, 10:54:32 PM
Really really like him, but he's not clinical enough. I think I'd have him as one of the wider forwards next season in place of Traore who is so hit and miss it's unbelievable.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 06, 2021, 11:00:25 PM
That decision to pass to Bert was inexplicable, even to Bert, who was as surprised as the rest of us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 06, 2021, 11:15:59 PM
He doesn't have much luck. He hits the bar more often than me, fifteen minutes before the end of matches in the 2015/16 season. I'm hoping next season he is dead jammy. He will score 40 goals.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2021, 11:24:38 PM
Really really like him, but he's not clinical enough. I think I'd have him as one of the wider forwards next season in place of Traore who is so hit and miss it's unbelievable.

I agree with that, I think it'd suit his game, and he's a much better all round player than any of our wide players with the obvious exception of Jack. I don't think playing wider would unduly hit his goal return either.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 07, 2021, 12:39:06 PM
Terrific player, loads of energy and commitment. Progressing well in his first season in the top division. Think heíll get the ď20Ē next season with the experience gained this season
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on March 07, 2021, 12:46:55 PM
He's hit the woodwork 7 times this season, twice in the last 2 games that could have given us 4 points. Really unlucky.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: nigel on March 07, 2021, 12:55:24 PM
Really really like him, but he's not clinical enough. I think I'd have him as one of the wider forwards next season in place of Traore who is so hit and miss it's unbelievable.

I agree with that, I think it'd suit his game, and he's a much better all round player than any of our wide players with the obvious exception of Jack. I don't think playing wider would unduly hit his goal return either.

Heís been an inch away from 7 extra goals this season.
When guys say heís not clinical enough just add that 7 to his tally and see where he is.
Iíd go with unlucky rather than not clinical enough
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: BC Villain on March 07, 2021, 01:03:45 PM
He's hit the woodwork 7 times this season, twice in the last 2 games that could have given us 4 points. Really unlucky.

Is it bad luck or is it that his finishing is poor?  10 goals looks impressive and his workrate is phenomenal.   However, the number of big chances he's missed is 11.  A more clinical and ruthless striker would have put more of those chances away.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Chris Smith on March 07, 2021, 01:07:18 PM
Really really like him, but he's not clinical enough. I think I'd have him as one of the wider forwards next season in place of Traore who is so hit and miss it's unbelievable.

I agree with that, I think it'd suit his game, and he's a much better all round player than any of our wide players with the obvious exception of Jack. I don't think playing wider would unduly hit his goal return either.

I think it would blunt his impact. Playing wide heíd be expected to track back more to protect the fullback which takes him away from where heís best.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PeterWithe on March 07, 2021, 01:10:57 PM
I thought he only really made one mistake, albeit a very big one when he passed. Other than that he got shots away, showed for the ball strongly and was a real pest to them. He'll get better and score more goals.

We should have bought/lent quality back up in the Jan window though.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on March 07, 2021, 01:24:05 PM
Really really like him, but he's not clinical enough. I think I'd have him as one of the wider forwards next season in place of Traore who is so hit and miss it's unbelievable.

I agree with that, I think it'd suit his game, and he's a much better all round player than any of our wide players with the obvious exception of Jack. I don't think playing wider would unduly hit his goal return either.

I think it would blunt his impact. Playing wide heíd be expected to track back more to protect the fullback which takes him away from where heís best.

He'd be replacing Bert or Trez, who provide no support or no goal threat respectively, and so would be a huge upgrade on both.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: nigel on March 07, 2021, 01:41:03 PM
I find it unbelievable that weíre even having this debate on a lad in his first season at a new club, first season at, anywhere near, this level, whoís given the best defences a tough time, whoís scored 10 goals and hit the woodwork 7 times.
Yes, maybe he could have had one or two more, but give the lad a break, heís done phenomenally well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on March 07, 2021, 02:01:40 PM
His all round game is outstanding, it's like having two players playing at the same time.

He's a total success for me, we couldn't have spent better in our position.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Luke8 on March 07, 2021, 02:05:20 PM
Really really like him, but he's not clinical enough. I think I'd have him as one of the wider forwards next season in place of Traore who is so hit and miss it's unbelievable.

I agree with that, I think it'd suit his game, and he's a much better all round player than any of our wide players with the obvious exception of Jack. I don't think playing wider would unduly hit his goal return either.

I think it would blunt his impact. Playing wide heíd be expected to track back more to protect the fullback which takes him away from where heís best.

He'd be replacing Bert or Trez, who provide no support or no goal threat respectively, and so would be a huge upgrade on both.

Pretty harsh on Traore. Heís inconsistent but has definitely provide a goal threat this season.

I imagine the wide areas and striker would be positions we will look to strengthen in the summer, but I agree with Chris, I donít see moving Watkins wide as the solution.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2021, 02:39:19 PM
I hate it when commentators say - as did ours last night - that "he was denied by the woodwork" as if some inanimate object had somehow shifted to stop an otherwise-certain goal. Ollie's shot yesterday would have gone in if it had either been hit half a metre further out or directed slightly further to the keeper's left. It was neither, unfortunately.
He is a super player and needs a second or withdrawn striker to play alongside him. Last night I would have preferred to take off Traore and replace him with Barkley as a second striker. Louie Barry shows signs of potentially being that man next season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 07, 2021, 02:46:09 PM
Really really like him, but he's not clinical enough. I think I'd have him as one of the wider forwards next season in place of Traore who is so hit and miss it's unbelievable.

I agree with that, I think it'd suit his game, and he's a much better all round player than any of our wide players with the obvious exception of Jack. I don't think playing wider would unduly hit his goal return either.

Heís been an inch away from 7 extra goals this season.
When guys say heís not clinical enough just add that 7 to his tally and see where he is.
Iíd go with unlucky rather than not clinical enough

It's poor finishing. It's not some weird twist of fate that on another day would somehow have gone in.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: garyellis on March 07, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
Not a chance in hell Ollie will be moved out wide.
Overall an excellent first season in the premier league
He is our modern day Dwight Yorke and will continue to improve
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 07, 2021, 03:11:56 PM
I love Watkins but Yorke was special.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 07, 2021, 03:13:02 PM
Just to add though what a change to be comparing players to some of our past greats instead of Penrice and Hodge.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 07, 2021, 03:32:07 PM
That decision to pass to Bert was inexplicable, even to Bert, who was as surprised as the rest of us.

Yeah that was disappointing.

Got one v one against Coady, shifted it onto his right foot and was in the area.....and then just passed to Traore when a defender was right next to him so was always likely to cut it out.

Guess he hadn't scored that type of curling shot for a while so wasn't confident but hints to me at lack of ruthlessness as no way a Kane, Vardy or Salah would pass in that situaiton even if they hadn't scored for a few goals.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 07, 2021, 03:36:16 PM
He's hit the woodwork 7 times this season, twice in the last 2 games that could have given us 4 points. Really unlucky.

Is it bad luck or is it that his finishing is poor?  10 goals looks impressive and his workrate is phenomenal.   However, the number of big chances he's missed is 11.  A more clinical and ruthless striker would have put more of those chances away.

Most of the woodwork strikes have been from shots outside the box as last night so not like he's missing them in six yard box.

I agree with the wide forward shout. Not full time but can certainly be a plan B option for games v top 6 next season as long as we sign a decent forward in the summer.

I do think he struggles against physical CBs sometimes. Was really tough for him to get into it second half but then we moved him wider for last 10 minutes and he won a couple of corners with his movement and we should've scored the winner from one so something to look at for next season rather than mindset of CF must play centrally for every minute of every game. Spurs have been playing Kane as number 10 hybrid for most of this season for example.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 07, 2021, 03:38:43 PM
would have 20 goals if it wasn't for the woodwork and dodgy decisions. A very good first top flight first season for Watkins. I really hope when we improve again this summer he's not pushed out wide - he's proved this season he has what it takes to be a top flight striker.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tomd2103 on March 07, 2021, 04:50:48 PM
would have 20 goals if it wasn't for the woodwork and dodgy decisions. A very good first top flight first season for Watkins. I really hope when we improve again this summer he's not pushed out wide - he's proved this season he has what it takes to be a top flight striker.

He has had a good season, but I just wonder whether he would be just as effective as a wide forward if we do bring in a real quality striker in the summer.  He does do a lot of good work cutting in from the left, so do wonder if that would be an option.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on March 07, 2021, 06:06:27 PM
All his goals have been when Barkley has been playing. That stat is still a little concerning. We need to strengthen in that number 10 position. It would be good to have a centre forward who drops off in addition to an attacking midfielder who can be pushed forward. That would allow us to play a variation of 4-4-2 when teams come to our place and park the bus.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: nigel on March 07, 2021, 06:57:57 PM
I love Watkins but Yorke was special.

Yes, Yorke was special, but not a patch on Gary Shaw.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 07, 2021, 07:00:45 PM
All his goals have been when Barkley has been playing. That stat is still a little concerning. We need to strengthen in that number 10 position. It would be good to have a centre forward who drops off in addition to an attacking midfielder who can be pushed forward. That would allow us to play a variation of 4-4-2 when teams come to our place and park the bus.
wonder if we need to get someone closer to Watkins when Barkey isn't playing. A central midfielder might be the way to keep getting the best out of Watkins.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: nigel on March 07, 2021, 07:02:28 PM
would have 20 goals if it wasn't for the woodwork and dodgy decisions. A very good first top flight first season for Watkins. I really hope when we improve again this summer he's not pushed out wide - he's proved this season he has what it takes to be a top flight striker.

This is what a couple of guys donít seem to get. Itís his first season at anywhere near this level.
Scored 10 but could easily have been 15+
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on March 08, 2021, 02:59:00 PM
Just saw a stat that out of Europes top 5 Leagues, 65 out of 98 teams as a whole have hit the wordwork 6 or less times over the season.

Watkins on his own has hit it 7 times.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 08, 2021, 03:52:34 PM
I'd love to see Wesley come good & support Ollie, failing that Tammy back at Villa would do, just pay Abramovich what he wants.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 08, 2021, 04:06:22 PM
I donít get the fascination with woodwork struck stats, donít get me wrong, if it hits the inside and goes adjacent to the goal line you could feel hard done by, but hitting the face of the frame doesnít mean a great deal.

Like another poster alluded to, sometimes a player can still hit the frame with ďpoorĒ finishing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on March 08, 2021, 04:21:59 PM
Really really like him, but he's not clinical enough. I think I'd have him as one of the wider forwards next season in place of Traore who is so hit and miss it's unbelievable.

I agree with that, I think it'd suit his game, and he's a much better all round player than any of our wide players with the obvious exception of Jack. I don't think playing wider would unduly hit his goal return either.

Heís been an inch away from 7 extra goals this season.
When guys say heís not clinical enough just add that 7 to his tally and see where he is.
Iíd go with unlucky rather than not clinical enough

It's poor finishing. It's not some weird twist of fate that on another day would somehow have gone in.

You're right that shot that hit the bar on Saturday was poor. I mean, really, how couldn't he have hit it from that distance and managed to get it to dip by 2 inches. Needs to work on it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on March 08, 2021, 04:26:50 PM
Like another poster alluded to, sometimes a player can still hit the frame with ďpoorĒ finishing.

Apart from Ronny Rosenthal I cant think of many other occasions. Was his header against Sheff Utd or his shot against Wolves poor finishing?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on March 08, 2021, 04:29:39 PM
Watkins is proving to be worth every penny and more. He's a revelation as far as I'm concerned, I'm pretty sure he'd be applauded many times every match for the effort he puts in chasing lost causes.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on March 08, 2021, 04:31:54 PM
Watkins is proving to be worth every penny and more. He's a revelation as far as I'm concerned, I'm pretty sure he'd be applauded many times every match for the effort he puts in chasing lost causes.

Worth noting that also outside the club he's regarded as an unqualified success, commentators are generally purring over him during games.

If we didn't have him, we'd all be saying we need someone like him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 08, 2021, 04:33:21 PM
Like another poster alluded to, sometimes a player can still hit the frame with ďpoorĒ finishing.

Apart from Ronny Rosenthal I cant think of many other occasions. Was his header against Sheff Utd or his shot against Wolves poor finishing?

I said a player can hit the frame with poor finishing,  not Ollie Watkins specifically.

Youíre arguably closer to scoring from a finger tip save from the keeper when the effort is actually on target than a frame strike.

I hope we arenít including his penalty miss in this woodwork stat?

Btw, Ollies been immense this season and could become a legend.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on March 08, 2021, 04:33:33 PM
Like another poster alluded to, sometimes a player can still hit the frame with ďpoorĒ finishing.

Apart from Ronny Rosenthal I cant think of many other occasions. Was his header against Sheff Utd or his shot against Wolves poor finishing?

Rosenthal's effort was quite impressive. You would struggle to do intentionally.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eric woolban woolban on March 09, 2021, 10:04:23 PM
Like another poster alluded to, sometimes a player can still hit the frame with ďpoorĒ finishing.

Apart from Ronny Rosenthal I cant think of many other occasions. Was his header against Sheff Utd or his shot against Wolves poor finishing?

Rosenthal's effort was quite impressive. You would struggle to do intentionally.

It was mentioned in the commentary in Saturday.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2021, 11:51:51 PM
I donít get the fascination with woodwork struck stats, donít get me wrong, if it hits the inside and goes adjacent to the goal line you could feel hard done by, but hitting the face of the frame doesnít mean a great deal.

Like another poster alluded to, sometimes a player can still hit the frame with ďpoorĒ finishing.

I get your point but hitting the woodwork has been fetishized since Brazilian fellas kicked oranges against palm trees.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 10, 2021, 08:28:16 AM
All his goals have been when Barkley has been playing. That stat is still a little concerning. We need to strengthen in that number 10 position. It would be good to have a centre forward who drops off in addition to an attacking midfielder who can be pushed forward. That would allow us to play a variation of 4-4-2 when teams come to our place and park the bus.
wonder if we need to get someone closer to Watkins when Barkey isn't playing. A central midfielder might be the way to keep getting the best out of Watkins.
I would like to see a forward three of Ollie, Wesley & Jack as a starting line-up; with AEG-Traore-Barkley-Davis-Trez as impact subs whenever required & especially whenever other teams go down to 10 men
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 18, 2021, 02:03:59 PM
According to the BBC has been called up to the England squad.

Well done Ollie!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: richtheholtender on March 18, 2021, 02:07:53 PM
Well done Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LukeJames on March 18, 2021, 02:08:05 PM
Villa social media now confirmed it, great stuff Ollie!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on March 18, 2021, 02:15:37 PM
Excellent. An example to any player about working hard. Learning and developing.

Barkley take note.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: paul_e on March 18, 2021, 02:31:09 PM
Well deserved, has ha da great season.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Gareth on March 18, 2021, 02:55:32 PM
Excellent news, sure thatíll be another few quid to Brentford:-)

Hope he gets some playing time in these games now
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 18, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
Oh this is brilliant. 
Made my day and huge congratulations to Ollie as its well deserved.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 18, 2021, 03:17:33 PM
Congrats to Ollie on his international recognition. Enjoy it, but stay focussed on the Villa.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Smithy on March 18, 2021, 03:17:52 PM
Given how highly Southgate rates pressing from his attacking players, it's no surprise to see Ollie called up - I can't think of a harder working forward in the league (English, or otherwise?).  I just hope he gets a chance to play, because I think he'll surprise a few with how good he is.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Clampy on March 18, 2021, 03:33:50 PM
Great news and very well deserved.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 18, 2021, 03:35:03 PM
Really pleased for the lad, he's worked his socks off in every game and fully deserves the call.

Well done Ollie!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2021, 03:36:22 PM
Absolutely delighted for Ollie. Fully deserved.

But someone please speak loud and slowly to me as to why Dier is in the squad and Konsa isn't? Dier, who cannot get a game for his club versus one of the most inform, exciting young CB talents in the PL today? And maybe to a slightly lesser degree Matt Targett, easily one of the best LB's in England right now.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 18, 2021, 03:43:54 PM
Is it wrong to hope he doesn't play for England?

Don't want him getting injured, we can't replace him.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on March 18, 2021, 04:40:41 PM
Yeah, would rather he took a well-deserved week off but delighted for him - Jack has said that he always asks him how Harry Kane trains and what he can learn from.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 18, 2021, 04:46:43 PM
Brilliant . Deserving of a call up and should be getting some minutes v San Marino at least and some goals!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: nevillain on March 18, 2021, 04:47:30 PM
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But someone please speak loud and slowly to me as to why Dier is in the squad and Konsa isn't? Dier, who cannot get a game for his club versus one of the most inform, exciting young CB talents in the PL today? And maybe to a slightly lesser degree Matt Targett, easily one of the best LB's in England right now.
[/quote]

Because Southgate is a short sighted cnut
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on March 18, 2021, 05:00:15 PM
Well deserved and with three matches in quick succession, two of them 'easy' by international standards and Kane not long back from injury, I can see every reason for Ollie to start in at least one game.

If he plays he will be the 76th Villa player to represent England, taking us second equal with Corinthians and two players behind Spurzzz.

Hopefully Konza and Targett are not far behind in winning recognition. UTV.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 18, 2021, 05:31:17 PM
Well deserved and with three matches in quick succession, two of them 'easy' by international standards and Kane not long back from injury, I can see every reason for Ollie to start in at least one game.

If he plays he will be the 76th Villa player to represent England, taking us second equal with Corinthians and two players behind Spurzzz.

Hopefully Konza and Targett are not far behind in winning recognition. UTV.

Are you sure about that? We held the record for years so unless Corinthians have suddenly had a load more internationals I can't see how they've overtaken us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on March 18, 2021, 05:42:50 PM
Well deserved and with three matches in quick succession, two of them 'easy' by international standards and Kane not long back from injury, I can see every reason for Ollie to start in at least one game.

If he plays he will be the 76th Villa player to represent England, taking us second equal with Corinthians and two players behind Spurzzz.

Hopefully Konza and Targett are not far behind in winning recognition. UTV.

Are you sure about that? We held the record for years so unless Corinthians have suddenly had a load more internationals I can't see how they've overtaken us.
As per this website: http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamClubs/MostPlyrs.html
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: TelfordVilla on March 18, 2021, 06:14:45 PM
Has somebody re written the history books or have we been stuck in a time warp for so long that we have been overtaken. When I was a lad 7 FA cup wins was 2 more than anyone else and seemed unlikely to ever be beaten. Ooops
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on March 18, 2021, 06:29:24 PM
Fantastic news. Well deserved indeed, bet heís well made up.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 18, 2021, 06:45:58 PM
Well deserved and with three matches in quick succession, two of them 'easy' by international standards and Kane not long back from injury, I can see every reason for Ollie to start in at least one game.

If he plays he will be the 76th Villa player to represent England, taking us second equal with Corinthians and two players behind Spurzzz.

Hopefully Konza and Targett are not far behind in winning recognition. UTV.

Are you sure about that? We held the record for years so unless Corinthians have suddenly had a load more internationals I can't see how they've overtaken us.
As per this website: http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamClubs/MostPlyrs.html

If you click on the Corinthians link there's a lot of players included "with" another team so I don't think they were necessarily playing for Corinthians when they played for England. Didn't realise Spurs had overtaken us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 18, 2021, 06:48:48 PM
I'm pleased for him but on the fence as if he is really ready  for international football.  He seems a sensible lad and I don't think it will go to his head mind.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 18, 2021, 06:49:59 PM
Well done Ollie, watch out for that crossbar at Wembley !
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Steve67 on March 18, 2021, 06:52:27 PM
Probably means Brentford get another few quid out of us too. Well done Ollie, deserved call up. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Dave on March 18, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
I'm pleased for him but on the fence as if he is really ready  for international football. 

You've seen some of the dross that play international football? Reckon a bunch of people cobbled together from this forum might well be ready for San Marino and Albania.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 18, 2021, 07:02:17 PM
I'm pleased for him but on the fence as if he is really ready  for international football. 

You've seen some of the dross that play international football? Reckon a bunch of people cobbled together from this forum might well be ready for San Marino and Albania.

Is that Dave from Bath?  Oh I am not disagreeing with you.  Just think its come too soon for him, but what do I know.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SaddVillan on March 18, 2021, 07:13:34 PM
The fact that Ollie's got the nod over diver supreme Bamford makes his selection all the sweeter.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 18, 2021, 07:16:44 PM
The fact that Ollie's got the nod over diver supreme Bamford makes his selection all the sweeter.

Love this, bet Leeds forums are spitting whippet hairs over this!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: darren woolley on March 18, 2021, 07:47:14 PM
I'm so pleased for Ollie getting in the England squad he's been brilliant for us and deserves his place in there.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 18, 2021, 07:50:31 PM
I like Watkins - he's done well, and his goal return doesn't do him justice. Without VAR and the woodwork he'd have 20 goals by now.

The general standard of England strikers at the minute isn't anywhere near the standard is was in the mid-90's though. Look at this list...


Alan Shearer
Teddy Sheringham
Andy Cole
Robbie Fowler
Les Ferdinand
Ian Wright
Chris Sutton
Matt Le Tissier
Stan Collymore
Dion Dublin
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: eamonn on March 18, 2021, 08:13:47 PM
Well done Ollie, watch out for that crossbar at Wembley !

Why, have the Scots broken it again ?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 18, 2021, 08:30:05 PM
Well done Ollie, watch out for that crossbar at Wembley !

Why, have the Scots broken it again ?

The Scots couldnít break an egg these days.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: olaftab on March 18, 2021, 08:53:56 PM
I like Watkins - he's done well, and his goal return doesn't do him justice. Without VAR and the woodwork he'd have 20 goals by now.

The general standard of England strikers at the minute isn't anywhere near the standard is was in the mid-90's though. Look at this list...


Alan Shearer
Teddy Sheringham
Andy Cole
Robbie Fowler
Les Ferdinand
Ian Wright
Chris Sutton
Matt Le Tissier
Stan Collymore
Dion Dublin
Agree with that. I would like Ollie to develop his game like Shearer did and Kane is doing now.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on March 18, 2021, 09:02:52 PM
I like Ollie but not sure he is England international standard yet to be honest. Might not be popular to say but I think he a bit fortunate to get in based on recent form.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on March 18, 2021, 09:11:27 PM
I like Ollie but not sure he is England international standard yet to be honest. Might not be popular to say but I think he a bit fortunate to get in based on recent form.

That does surprise me, you're usually so effusive with your praise.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on March 18, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
He's been great this season, but has been a little bit off his normal standards the last two or three games.

Still, delighted for him, there isn't a harder working striker in the league.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 18, 2021, 09:40:57 PM
I like him but he played like he had rubber legs against Brucecastle
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 18, 2021, 09:46:53 PM
Well done Ollie, well deserved.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: tomd2103 on March 18, 2021, 10:25:47 PM
Yep, great news for him.  Hope he gets the opportunity to show what he can do.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 18, 2021, 11:30:54 PM
Deserved International Recognition. Well done Ollie, youíre in the squad now, let your feet and willingness to work hard prove your worth thereís no rush, your time will inevitably come
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Scovilla on March 19, 2021, 12:29:43 AM
Very happy for him. Well deserved. Just provide him a good left winger like jack on the right side and we will be fine for a long time.
Well down Dean to bring to villa. I fucking love our club.
UTV.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Scovilla on March 19, 2021, 12:32:00 AM
Sorry my spelling is shit. Too much beer tonight.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 19, 2021, 07:28:59 AM
If your looking at it objectively Bamford is unlucky but I guess heís looking at the future by picking Ollie. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Risso on March 19, 2021, 07:32:39 AM
If your looking at it objectively Bamford is a twat but I guess heís looking at the future by picking Ollie. 

FTFY
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: sid1964 on March 19, 2021, 07:55:23 AM
Surprised Bamford did not also get called up - as he has scored more goals but Southgate judges his players on their work rate for the team

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: The Edge on March 19, 2021, 08:28:06 AM
Surprised Bamford did not also get called up - as he has scored more goals but Southgate judges his players on their work rate for the team
I don't think Bamford is good enough. But his shithousery is first class which might actually work at international level.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: LeeB on March 19, 2021, 08:38:01 AM
Patrick Bamford is basically having his Marcus Stewart season, and will be plying his trade in the Championship again with two seasons.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 19, 2021, 08:47:48 AM
Bamford is a soft, cheating, fuck.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on March 19, 2021, 10:48:58 AM
Smith copped some flack for raiding Brentford but taking Konsa and Watkins has proved excellent business.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brontebilly on March 19, 2021, 10:58:24 AM
Surprised Bamford did not also get called up - as he has scored more goals but Southgate judges his players on their work rate for the team

Southgates judgement on players isn't exactly the best barometer.....see Grealish, Jack. Or even Konsa of late.

Think Bamford's hold up play, particularly his first touch, is a level above Watkins. Ignore the histrionics he brings and he's a fine player let's be honest. Better suited to playing at a higher level than he was in the championship.  Watkins is tougher,  runs the channels a lot better and is quicker. But I'm quite surprised he got selected based on his recent form for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: nigel on March 19, 2021, 06:49:13 PM
Probably means Brentford get another few quid out of us too. Well done Ollie, deserved call up.

His call up will most likely be the trigger that takes it from £28m to £30m (if Iíve remembered figures correctly)
But at the same time his value will almost certainly have doubled
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 19, 2021, 07:35:06 PM
£33m I think.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: brian green on March 19, 2021, 08:53:59 PM
Could have had him for £500k from Exeter.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: OCD on March 19, 2021, 09:17:35 PM
Would he have been the same player though? Harsh to not give Brentford some credit for developing him into the player we bought. We were still getting our shit together as a club during the same time and he could have become another Jordan Bowery or any number of failed youth products we've had without those experiences that moulded him into the player he is.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: nigel on March 20, 2021, 10:21:46 AM
Would he have been the same player though? Harsh to not give Brentford some credit for developing him into the player we bought. We were still getting our shit together as a club during the same time and he could have become another Jordan Bowery or any number of failed youth products we've had without those experiences that moulded him into the player he is.

Agree.
We hadnít got the best record of bringing players like that on.
Iím not saying Jordan Bowery would have reached the same level, but it would have been interesting to see how things had turned out for him had he gone to somewhere like Brentford under Deans guidance
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: KevinGage on March 20, 2021, 11:18:17 AM
Probably means Brentford get another few quid out of us too. Well done Ollie, deserved call up.

His call up will most likely be the trigger that takes it from £28m to £30m (if Iíve remembered figures correctly)
But at the same time his value will almost certainly have doubled

Is it the call up to the squad that triggers the extra payment or the appearance?

We've had players called up to the England squad before who haven't actually featured.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2021, 02:00:03 PM
Would he have been the same player though? Harsh to not give Brentford some credit for developing him into the player we bought. We were still getting our shit together as a club during the same time and he could have become another Jordan Bowery or any number of failed youth products we've had without those experiences that moulded him into the player he is.

I agree. I get Brian's frustrations but remember where we were as a club in those days, he'd have likely come here, got lost in the system and we'd have sold him somewhere else for 2-3. He'd have done a James Bree.

It's not like we ignored the lower leagues either, our 2012 transfer window was practically shopping in it with Lowton, Westwood, Bennett and Bowery all coming in.

Think when Ollie first started at Brentford he was on the bench a bit and needed a good six months to get up to speed to championship so I doubt he'd have got that patience here.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: nigel on March 20, 2021, 04:44:50 PM
Probably means Brentford get another few quid out of us too. Well done Ollie, deserved call up.

His call up will most likely be the trigger that takes it from £28m to £30m (if Iíve remembered figures correctly)
But at the same time his value will almost certainly have doubled

Is it the call up to the squad that triggers the extra payment or the appearance?

We've had players called up to the England squad before who haven't actually featured.

Thatís true, youíre probably right
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on March 20, 2021, 08:42:17 PM
To be honest, I'm quite happy with us picking up the likes of Konsa & Watkins, at the prices we paid for them. I don't want a load of players who are 12+ months off being good enough on our bench.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 21, 2021, 12:34:50 AM
Would he have been the same player though? Harsh to not give Brentford some credit for developing him into the player we bought. We were still getting our shit together as a club during the same time and he could have become another Jordan Bowery or any number of failed youth products we've had without those experiences that moulded him into the player he is.

I agree. I get Brian's frustrations but remember where we were as a club in those days, he'd have likely come here, got lost in the system and we'd have sold him somewhere else for 2-3. He'd have done a James Bree.

It's not like we ignored the lower leagues either, our 2012 transfer window was practically shopping in it with Lowton, Westwood, Bennett and Bowery all coming in.

Think when Ollie first started at Brentford he was on the bench a bit and needed a good six months to get up to speed to championship so I doubt he'd have got that patience here.

Enda Stevens has done ok since he left as well
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Ian. on March 21, 2021, 12:50:49 AM
Could have had him for £500k from Exeter.
We could have done, however the cash injection they have had from this makes me happy too. They are a local club to me, all my kids were born in Exeter and this will keep a small club going for years.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 21, 2021, 01:21:12 AM
Could have had him for £500k from Exeter.
We could have done, however the cash injection they have had from this makes me happy too. They are a local club to me, all my kids were born in Exeter and this will keep a small club going for years.

Yes and also Iím not sure Villa would have been right for him then. Clearly it canít be proven, but I bet Ollie wouldnít be the player he is now had he joined us in 2017.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Bernie on March 23, 2021, 08:26:37 AM
Just listening to a nice report on Ollie on BBC Radio Bristol, after his England call up, his having played for Weston super Mare.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Edvard Remberg on March 23, 2021, 12:10:31 PM
Could have had him for £500k from Exeter.
We could have done, however the cash injection they have had from this makes me happy too. They are a local club to me, all my kids were born in Exeter and this will keep a small club going for years.

Yes and also Iím not sure Villa would have been right for him then. Clearly it canít be proven, but I bet Ollie wouldnít be the player he is now had he joined us in 2017.
He would have been burned at the stake several times by the fans.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: algy on March 25, 2021, 09:50:58 AM
Nice article in the Guardian today

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/25/ollie-watkins-non-league-england-weston-super-mare

Quote
'His own biggest critic': Ollie Watkins' road from non-league to England
Coaches from his days at Weston-super-Mare and Exeter recall the drive of the Aston Villa striker set for an international debut

It is a little more than six years since Ollie Watkins scored a dozen minutes into his Weston-super-Mare debut, stepping off the bench to propel the Conference Southís bottom club to a 4-3 victory over Farnborough Town before 130 spectators. On Thursday the Aston Villa striker could make his England debut in a World Cup qualifier and this time millions will be watching, none prouder than those who helped his remarkable rise from Exeter City to the Premier League, via a six-month crash course in the sixth tier.

When an 18-year-old Watkins walked through the door at Weston, the part-time club had lost eight on the bounce and were staring at relegation. He signed on loan from Exeter alongside Matt Jay, one of his closest friends, in search of experience. ďThey were thrown in at the deep end,Ē says Ryan Northmore, Watkinsí manager at Weston. ďI brought Ollie on, he ended up scoring and it just gave everybody a huge lift, it brought momentum and that 40 minutes he was on the pitch was the turning point for us. We never looked back. We were cut adrift but secured our safety with plenty of games to go and it was a monumental effort from everybody. We got over that finishing line and collapsed into a heap.Ē

It was at Weston where Dean Smith, who signed the striker for Brentford before taking him to Villa for a club record £28m last summer, spotted Watkins. He scored 10 goals in 24 games but the loan did more than sharpen his instincts in the box. A selfless performance against Ebbsfleet, Northmore says, sticks in the memory, as does an irresistible display at Wealdstone that led to home supporters applauding Watkins off, but perhaps the biggest takeaway was the hunger it gave him.

Watkins, Northmore says, learned the value of ďwinning headers in your own box at a cornerĒ and doing the unglamorous side of the game. ďAcademy football is very much focused on what you do with the ball, so if youíre a forward player sometimes you are just waiting at the end of a passing chain,Ē he says. ďIf that is the only way you are going to get on the ball, then you are not going to be on it very much when youíre in a team that is struggling.

ďIt was about saying: ĎLook, you can create goals, have a go at people and express yourself, but there are maybe five or six goals for you if you force errors from defenders, if you set traps and if you apply that pressure.í He would take praise and criticism Ė he got a lot of tough love from me Ė but he took it really well because he recognised that it needed to happen in order to improve.Ē

Watkins has earned his stripes, showcasing his speed and athleticism whether as an emergency left-back, as he was on Exeterís pre-season tour of Scotland after returning from Weston, or the talisman as Brentford chased promotion. He is one of 22 players in the 26-man England squad for the games against San Marino, Albania and Poland who have come through an English Football League club, played in the EFL or made their debut in the competition.

ďSome of the qualities you see now in Ollie at Premier League level are some of the lasting images I have of him on a pitch playing for Exeter,Ē says Watkinsí former youth-team manager, Kevin Nicholson. ďHis ability to hold off opponents in one v one situations, to press defenders, he was always very hard-working, very determined. He was his own biggest critic. He would always come to you and challenge you as a coach, to continually help him to develop. He would say: ĎWhat can I do better in this situation?í He would always be there after training practising, even if it was the simplest of things, sending free-kicks into an empty goal.Ē

Watkins was part of a talented crop of youngsters at fan-owned Exeter, including the now Swansea captain Matt Grimes, the Peterborough goalkeeper Christy Pym and Ethan Ampadu, who was in the under-14s; cutouts of all three form a mural at Exeterís training base and last year Ben Chrisene, who made his Villa debut against Liverpool in January aged 16, became the latest prospect to be picked up from their academy.

ďOllie is a great example for young players on their development journey now,Ē says Nicholson. ďIt isnít as straightforward as an upward curve. There isnít one route to fulfilling your potential as a young player. It isnít always going to be academy, all the way through from under-nines to under-18s, into under-23s and then directly into the first team.Ē

Watkins has done the yards to get here. ďHe wouldnít get pushed off the ball at the age of 18 or 19 but needed to get kicked to get angry, to show his strength,Ē says Northmore, now an academy coach at Southampton. ďHe wasnít one to bring it to the table first but when he got into that mood and got a little aggressive, that was when his strength really came out. I donít feel like that needs to happen now because he imposes himself on games from the start. He doesnít wait around. He needed someone to get him wound up a bit and then you saw his turbo kick in. And then he would take off.Ē
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 25, 2021, 09:01:43 PM
Good luck Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 25, 2021, 09:05:36 PM
Very proud of you young man.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Drummond on March 25, 2021, 09:25:15 PM
Get in.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: bilsim on March 25, 2021, 09:28:15 PM
Great moment for him, well done Ollie
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: CT on March 25, 2021, 09:34:42 PM
Brilliant, so pleased for Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 25, 2021, 09:36:32 PM
Superb. Well done Ollie.
England goalscorer.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: curiousorange on March 25, 2021, 09:44:17 PM
Exactly the kind of interview we'd all have expected from Ollie there. What a future this boy has, and doesn't he deserve it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 25, 2021, 09:45:48 PM
Ollie, stay with Deano and the world is your oyster mate.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Rudy65 on March 25, 2021, 09:46:13 PM
Exactly the kind of interview we'd all have expected from Ollie there. What a future this boy has, and doesn't he deserve it.

What a boy. Top man , proud to call him one of our own. Like that Ty seemed so pleased for him as well
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 25, 2021, 09:46:31 PM
Delighted for Ollie and it's not too often I say that about England scoring. ;)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: Villan For Life on March 25, 2021, 09:48:28 PM
Ollie Watkins. What a humble guy, Iím totally thrilled for him. Loved the celebration with Mings too.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Confirmed)
Post by: KRS on March 25, 2021, 09:57:20 PM
Chuffed to bits for Ollie. Well done...you deserve all the plaudits and keep up the good work! 😊👍
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: manic-road on March 25, 2021, 10:18:09 PM
Absolutely chuffed for Ollie tonight, I bet he doesn't sleep a wink tonight.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 25, 2021, 10:19:04 PM
Well done Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 25, 2021, 11:06:13 PM
What a season heís having, brilliant work Ollie
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Smithy on March 25, 2021, 11:23:15 PM
Does this officially make him a £33m player now?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: eamonn on March 25, 2021, 11:44:35 PM
Hope not.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: mrfuse on March 26, 2021, 12:17:40 AM
Really pleased for him and he definitely deserves to be in the current squad.

Despite a lot of quality players coming through for England its the one position that we haven't got that many options. Obviously Kane is a great striker but does get injured and I don't rate anyone else as a main striker apart from Ollie at the moment.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 26, 2021, 06:57:03 AM
There is quite a gap after Kane. None of  Tammy,  Ollie and Calvert Lewin have great first touch.
As much as I donít like him Bamford has.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Allan C on March 26, 2021, 07:37:10 AM
I went to bed happy last night. Well done Ollie  so pleased for him
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Risso on March 26, 2021, 08:04:13 AM
He looked delighted, bless him. Mark Chapman on R5 was gushing in his praise for Ollie afterwards.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 26, 2021, 09:16:47 AM
According to someone on Talk Sport heís the latest Villa player that needs to move to a bigger club.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Drummond on March 26, 2021, 09:31:23 AM
According to someone on Talk Sport heís the latest Villa player that needs to move to a bigger club.

We should move all of our players on...

For the first time in a long time it feels like we can keep players; we're progressing and I reckon most of the squad know they can get better with us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Smithy on March 26, 2021, 09:59:53 AM
Is there any striker in world football who has a 100% shots to goals ratio on the International stage?

No? Just Ollie then...
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: LeeB on March 26, 2021, 10:15:03 AM
Is there any striker in world football who has a 100% shots to goals ratio on the International stage?

No? Just Ollie then...

His only other meaningful touch was to drop a perfect cross onto Bellingham's toe, which the useless bluenose bastard shanked.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Dave on March 26, 2021, 10:16:32 AM
Is there any striker in world football who has a 100% shots to goals ratio on the International stage?

No? Just Ollie then...
Does David Nugent still count from back in the day?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Smithy on March 26, 2021, 11:28:41 AM
Is there any striker in world football who has a 100% shots to goals ratio on the International stage?

No? Just Ollie then...
Does David Nugent still count from back in the day?

I guess he does, not sure if he had another shot though? Think Franny Jeffers was also one sub appearance and one goal?

But for now, I'm going to continue believing Ollie is the only player in International football who has scored with every shot he's ever had!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: OCD on March 26, 2021, 11:29:12 AM
As what happens with most England games I try to watch, I fell asleep and missed Ollie's goal. I did see it on Midlands Today but I missed the interview and his celebration with Mings. Shame I missed that.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 26, 2021, 11:37:31 AM
So how long before he is linked with Mancwankfest United?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 26, 2021, 01:22:34 PM
Is there any striker in world football who has a 100% shots to goals ratio on the International stage?

No? Just Ollie then...

His only other meaningful touch was to drop a perfect cross onto Bellingham's toe, which the useless bluenose bastard shanked.

He's as much of a Nose as my arsehole, played less games than someone like Lee Novak, scored as many goals as Gabby has at the sty and wasn't even born in Birmingham. Nose my arse.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 26, 2021, 01:29:25 PM
Is there any striker in world football who has a 100% shots to goals ratio on the International stage?

No? Just Ollie then...

His only other meaningful touch was to drop a perfect cross onto Bellingham's toe, which the useless bluenose bastard shanked.

He's as much of a Nose as my arsehole, played less games than someone like Lee Novak, scored as many goals as Gabby has at the sty and wasn't even born in Birmingham. Nose my arse.

Are you a dog?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 26, 2021, 01:30:59 PM
Even making the news in the Republic of Devon
https://www.devonlive.com/sport/football/football-news/dream-debut-ollie-watkins-scores-5230355
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 26, 2021, 01:53:44 PM
Even making the news in the Republic of Devon
https://www.devonlive.com/sport/football/football-news/dream-debut-ollie-watkins-scores-5230355

I have a nephew who lives in Newton Abbot.  Iíve just messaged him and requested data on the % increase of ĎWatkinsí Villa shirts seen in the area.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 26, 2021, 01:55:02 PM
Is there any striker in world football who has a 100% shots to goals ratio on the International stage?

No? Just Ollie then...

His only other meaningful touch was to drop a perfect cross onto Bellingham's toe, which the useless bluenose bastard shanked.

He's as much of a Nose as my arsehole, played less games than someone like Lee Novak, scored as many goals as Gabby has at the sty and wasn't even born in Birmingham. Nose my arse.
They are so proud of his debut they are going to retire 2 stands in his honour.

Class.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 26, 2021, 02:07:26 PM
Is there any striker in world football who has a 100% shots to goals ratio on the International stage?

No? Just Ollie then...

His only other meaningful touch was to drop a perfect cross onto Bellingham's toe, which the useless bluenose bastard shanked.

He's as much of a Nose as my arsehole, played less games than someone like Lee Novak, scored as many goals as Gabby has at the sty and wasn't even born in Birmingham. Nose my arse.

This.

He wonít give the noses a second thought when heís pictured at
Bodymoor Heath.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 26, 2021, 02:10:01 PM
Even making the news in the Republic of Devon
https://www.devonlive.com/sport/football/football-news/dream-debut-ollie-watkins-scores-5230355

I have a nephew who lives in Newton Abbot.  Iíve just messaged him and requested data on the % increase of ĎWatkinsí Villa shirts seen in the area.

I saw a kid in a Blues shirt in Teignmouth the other day, poor kid, I reported him to social services.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: LeeB on March 26, 2021, 02:14:25 PM
Is there any striker in world football who has a 100% shots to goals ratio on the International stage?

No? Just Ollie then...

His only other meaningful touch was to drop a perfect cross onto Bellingham's toe, which the useless bluenose bastard shanked.

He's as much of a Nose as my arsehole, played less games than someone like Lee Novak, scored as many goals as Gabby has at the sty and wasn't even born in Birmingham. Nose my arse.

I'm sorry, but if he scores for England he's nothing to do with them, but any error and he's a stonewall rag.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: DevonSteve on March 26, 2021, 06:41:20 PM
The West Country are really proud of Ollie. Reports of him being picked and playing for England have been on the local news and in the papers. 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2021, 07:20:48 PM
The West Country are really proud of Ollie. Reports of him being picked and playing for England have been on the local news and in the papers. 
did it feature ahead of the big news story of a shed getting broken into in Starcross .......only kidding Steve , I have lots of fond memories of Devon, specifically the pubs and clubs in Torquay :)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 26, 2021, 07:35:20 PM
We could have Ollie, Jack, Konsa and Mings in the England squad for the World Cup next year. That would be the first time we've had 4 players in a major tournament squad, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 26, 2021, 07:37:53 PM
It would, however I feel Konsa wonít get picked after this latest squad.
 World Cup 2022 will be his time after he picks up the FA Cup 2022.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Louzie0 on March 26, 2021, 07:52:57 PM
It would, however I feel Konsa wonít get picked after this latest squad.
 World Cup 2022 will be his time after he picks up the FA Cup 2022.
Thatís the spirit!
I hope so, too.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Louzie0 on March 26, 2021, 07:54:25 PM
In the meantime, what a goal from Ollie!
Just in time to break the duck for Fulham. 👍
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 26, 2021, 08:05:34 PM
Targett and Cash must have outside chances too
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: darren woolley on March 26, 2021, 08:06:12 PM
I'm so happy Ollie scored on his England debut I was willing him to score when he came on.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Smithy on March 26, 2021, 08:45:54 PM
Targett and Cash must have outside chances too

Very outside chances, I'd imagine, unfortunately - we're unusually strong in the full-back position at International level, for the first time in a while. 

Targett is behind Chilwell, Shaw and Sako (at least), and Cash is behind Trippier, James and Alexander Arnold (plus a few younger players will be in the mix soon if they keep impressing, like Tariq Lamptey and Max Aarons, and a few older heads like Kyle Walker).

They're both class, but both would need to keep improving at a pretty decent rate to unseat the incumbents.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: The Edge on March 26, 2021, 08:52:56 PM
Is there any striker in world football who has a 100% shots to goals ratio on the International stage?

No? Just Ollie then...

His only other meaningful touch was to drop a perfect cross onto Bellingham's toe, which the useless bluenose bastard shanked.

He's as much of a Nose as my arsehole, played less games than someone like Lee Novak, scored as many goals as Gabby has at the sty and wasn't even born in Birmingham. Nose my arse.

Are you a dog?
Very good 👏👏
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 26, 2021, 08:57:11 PM
Nose up arse is quite poignant.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 26, 2021, 08:57:20 PM
Am I alone in thinking that Trippier isnít very good at all.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: OCD on March 27, 2021, 01:46:14 PM
From the Athletic -

"Brentford and Exeter to share £1m if Watkins wins England cap

Ollie Watkins will continue his fairytale rise when he joins up with the England squad today, his maiden international call-up recognition for the strikerís eye-catching debut season in the Premier League.

The 25-year-old moved to Aston Villa from Brentford last summer and has scored 12 goals in 31 appearances across all competitions, leading England manager Gareth Southgate to name him in his 26-man squad for the upcoming World Cup qualifiers against San Marino, Albania and Poland.

Villa agreed a deal for Watkins worth £28 million, plus a potential £5 million more in add-ons, and The Athletic understands one of the areas covered by those extra payments is England appearances. Brentford stand to receive £1 million for each cap Watkins wins, up to a small number.

As with the initial transfer fee, 15 per cent of everything Brentford earn from Villa must be diverted to Exeter City
, where Watkins started his career before joining the west London club in 2017 for £1.8 million. It means that each time Championship Brentford benefit financially from Watkins playing for England, League Two Exeter will be rewarded with £150,000 for their work in developing him.

Among the other bonuses negotiated by Brentford was related to Villa avoiding relegation from the top flight, they are 10th and already have the ďmagicalĒ 41 points with 10 games still to play, which will secure them another £850,000 and Exeter an additional £150,000."
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 27, 2021, 01:52:06 PM
The West Country are really proud of Ollie. Reports of him being picked and playing for England have been on the local news and in the papers. 
did it feature ahead of the big news story of a shed getting broken into in Starcross .......only kidding Steve , I have lots of fond memories of Devon, specifically the pubs and clubs in Torquay :)

That was Topsham, East of Exe is the ghetto.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 27, 2021, 06:04:29 PM
Love Ollie. Even that old misery Roy Keane was gushing after Ollies really lovely interview after the England. No media savvy dull as dishwater post match interview, just a nice seemingly humble chap, that was really excited and almost emotional about scoring. Glad heís playing for us.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2021, 07:22:23 PM
His teammates seemed to be genuinely delighted for him as well, which says a lot seeing he's only just joined up with them.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 27, 2021, 07:26:56 PM
I also noticed that, genuine delight for him reinforces what a great down to earth grafting lad Ollie seems.

His ascent from Exeter to International football Iím sure hasnít gone unnoticed by the squad.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 27, 2021, 08:11:22 PM
Mentioned on the SHA thread. http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamClubs/MostPlyrs.html

Doesn't appear to have been updated for Ollie though the Corinthians stats are current.

Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: DrGonzo on March 28, 2021, 12:11:52 PM
I think we can all see that Ollie was a bargain at 25m the add ons are a good way of balancing a risk vs reward of a transfer and I'm not in any way upset by chucking them some extra money for his services.  Think of it as a tip for great service in a restaraunt, its got to be worth 15%!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: robbo1874 on March 29, 2021, 06:59:11 AM
We could have Ollie, Jack, Konsa and Mings in the England squad for the World Cup next year. That would be the first time we've had 4 players in a major tournament squad, wouldn't it?
might be wrong, but I thought we had Staunton, god, Houghton and Townsend for Ireland at one point?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: robbo1874 on March 29, 2021, 07:08:01 AM
Anyway- chuffed to bits for Ollie. My catís called Ollie after Mellberg, but if Watkins kicks on we can just pretend it was the more recent one he was named after. Always a bonus when a Villa player scores for their country, double bonus on their debut. Credit to SJM for that goal too. Rare that Villa players score twice on the same day when we arenít playing. Hopefully they all stay injury free and feature prominently in the summer whoever theyíre playing for.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Dave on March 29, 2021, 08:18:23 AM
Rare that Villa players score twice on the same day when we arenít playing.

Rare these days that they score twice on the days that we are playing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 29, 2021, 10:31:31 AM
Mentioned on the SHA thread. http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamClubs/MostPlyrs.html

Doesn't appear to have been updated for Ollie though the Corinthians stats are current.



Is it just me that wants to know who the Birmingham Excelsior England player was?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: UK Redsox on March 29, 2021, 12:14:34 PM
Mentioned on the SHA thread. http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamClubs/MostPlyrs.html

Doesn't appear to have been updated for Ollie though the Corinthians stats are current.



Is it just me that wants to know who the Birmingham Excelsior England player was?

Just click on through the link. Name and biography are there
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 29, 2021, 12:23:04 PM
George Tait   
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 29, 2021, 12:40:03 PM
Died of typhoid aged 23. ☹
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: dave shelley on March 29, 2021, 12:45:49 PM
Died of typhoid aged 23. ☹

That's what happens when you go pissing in the corners trying to lift the curse.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Drummond on March 29, 2021, 12:51:08 PM
Died of typhoid aged 23. ☹

That's what happens when you go pissing in the corners trying to lift the curse.

That and the foundations decay.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 31, 2021, 10:49:59 PM
Exciting news from my sister in Barnt Green. Ollie lives there and buys sausages from the butcher's. More as I have it.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: nigel on April 01, 2021, 08:21:01 AM
Exciting news from my sister in Barnt Green. Ollie lives there and buys sausages from the butcher's. More as I have it.

Wonder if heís Jacks neighbour?
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Drummond on April 01, 2021, 08:27:14 AM
Pork? Lincolnshire? I hope it's not Toulouse.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: eamonn on April 01, 2021, 10:07:28 AM
Sausages in an elite footballers diet in 2021? In't right.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 01, 2021, 10:13:15 AM
This is the testimony of the lad in the butcher's, as reported to my sister and forwarded to me with a selfie of OW and (presumably) the lad from the butcher's. I am merely Pontias Patrick and I must remain neutral
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: BC Villain on April 04, 2021, 06:39:20 PM
He just said "We Go Again" on SKY.  Please don't use that line Ollie :-)
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: OCD on April 04, 2021, 07:05:57 PM
Well done Ollie for scoring your first goal without Barkley on the pitch, a long time coming.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 07:18:15 PM
Love Ollie, he stands for Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: exigo on April 05, 2021, 07:30:56 PM
Ollie's now a father-to-be, according to his latest insta post. He really has had quite the good news these last few weeks.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: DB on April 05, 2021, 08:22:23 PM
Canít stop scoring.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 05, 2021, 09:59:02 PM
Canít stop scoring.
Should count for this season as well.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Moonraker on April 09, 2021, 01:36:10 PM
Just read he has hit the woodwork 7 times this season. Suspect someone else has posted that. That's a lot of "if only". Obviously no such issues with his missus.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2021, 02:17:53 PM
...in getting wood
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 10, 2021, 01:22:38 PM
Quote
Klopp on Watkins after 7-2:
"It felt like everyone scored a hat-trick that night! It was a very good moment for Aston Villa in general. They were flying for a while. You need these moments and Ollie is a really talented striker. He's strong, fast. He has a good package."

Steady on Jurgen!  :o
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 10, 2021, 11:16:51 PM
Ollie is quality. You can also see his hold up play is improving.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Drummond on April 11, 2021, 01:11:07 AM
He's going to keep getting better too.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 09:17:57 AM
Excellent yesterday with very little service or support.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Risso on April 11, 2021, 10:27:49 AM
He can be very proud of what he's achieved this season.  12 goals and 3 assists would be a good return for someone in their first season, and there's 8 games left. Just needs better players around him up top now.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 11, 2021, 02:45:56 PM
A goal a game from here gets him to the mythical twenty league goals. Unlikely, but still possible if he can blag another hat-trick somewhere. Against Man U, please.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2021, 02:55:54 PM
By any measure Ollie Watkins has been a massive success. Heís worked his bollocks off too, ran as much as anyone in the PL and looks a very natural goalscorer. And heís done it all with a smile on his face and a brilliant attitude.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2021, 03:07:48 PM
Quote
Klopp on Watkins after 7-2:
"It felt like everyone scored a hat-trick that night! It was a very good moment for Aston Villa in general. They were flying for a while. You need these moments and Ollie is a really talented striker. He's strong, fast. He has a good package."

Steady on Jurgen!  :o

Probably commenting on Ollie's fatherhood. I liked how keen he was to get the ball from the net after he scored so he could do the "baby" celebration.
Would have preferred Nakamba and Trez to have joined in with the 'Bebeto swinging the baby barbershop trio' version, but it was nice all the same.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: darren woolley on April 11, 2021, 04:24:49 PM
By any measure Ollie Watkins has been a massive success. Heís worked his bollocks off too, ran as much as anyone in the PL and looks a very natural goalscorer. And heís done it all with a smile on his face and a brilliant attitude.

Spot on TV.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Diablo on April 16, 2021, 01:35:27 AM
Hour long Interview with Ollie talking about his journey from non league to his England debut/now.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: purpletrousers on April 16, 2021, 02:53:35 AM
Only skimmed it, but interesting 40secs at 38:20 where he references the bigger pressure of being at Villa as one of few strikers, more than the pressure of England camp.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Diablo on April 16, 2021, 08:05:58 AM
Ollie talks of his move to us around the 25 min mark and his relationship with Jack.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 28, 2021, 09:14:23 AM
Level with Harry Kane, on 38 chances -No striker has created more chances from open play in the Premier League this season than Ollie Watkins!!

I think it shows how much a team player and all round attacker he is.
Not only goal scorer but a creator too
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: ROBBO on April 28, 2021, 02:02:02 PM
My opinion on Watkins is that it's a pity he has to keep coming wide to get in the play because he is a natural finisher with absolutely no supply.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: eamonn on April 28, 2021, 04:26:14 PM
He must have had some supply to get into double figures. He doesn't get enough but it's not that bad.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: ROBBO on April 30, 2021, 02:50:56 AM
Supply dried up when Grealish got injured.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 30, 2021, 06:58:09 AM
He must have had some supply to get into double figures. He doesn't get enough but it's not that bad.
he'd have another 10 if there wasn't tight var calls added to the amount of times he has hit the woodwork
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: LukeJames on May 01, 2021, 10:09:35 PM
13 Premier League goals in his first Season at this level.

My biggest criticism of him would be his hold up play but it was excellent tonight.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: darren woolley on May 01, 2021, 10:10:20 PM
He was brilliant again 13 league goals in his first ever Premier League season good return.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 01, 2021, 10:18:37 PM
Top class tonight. His hold up play was brilliant. That performance I reckon gets him an England squad place.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Ian. on May 01, 2021, 10:25:05 PM
Heís a bloody good team player. Works so hard for us. Itís ace too having someone from Newton Abbot and a former Exeter City player playing for us. I like that a lot!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 01, 2021, 10:25:57 PM
We have a top centre forward and he has the potential to become even better.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2021, 10:33:31 PM
When i see him play like he did tonight it just reinforces my opinion that signing a striker and pushing him out wide would be a massive mistake.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: LeeB on May 01, 2021, 10:35:24 PM
He's a better player than Calvert-Lewin, I know that.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Ian. on May 01, 2021, 10:37:22 PM
When i see him play like he did tonight it just reinforces my opinion that signing a striker and pushing him out wide would be a massive mistake.
Me too, heís a great centre forward. Someone earlier said his hold up play was his weak point, which surprised me as he holds it up so well and nine times out ten plays the ball to one of our own.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2021, 11:05:23 PM
When i see him play like he did tonight it just reinforces my opinion that signing a striker and pushing him out wide would be a massive mistake.

Oh I agree. In no way should we be shoving Ollie our wide. If we sign a striker it needs to be competition for Ollie.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: SaddVillan on May 01, 2021, 11:06:42 PM
He was brilliant again 13 league goals in his first ever Premier League season good return.
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15 in 36 games so far.
5 games to go.
Wonder if he might make it 20 by the end of the season?
 
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2021, 11:09:41 PM
When i see him play like he did tonight it just reinforces my opinion that signing a striker and pushing him out wide would be a massive mistake.

People are talking about playing him in a front three, not at right back.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 02, 2021, 06:47:08 AM
What a class player! Made that goal for himself last night with his tenacity, strength, determination and accuracy. Could easily have taken the easy route and gone down for a free-kick, but the guy is something special and will get better and better. 13 goals in 35 games is a great return especially when legitimate goals of his have been chalked off and he's hit woodwork 7+(?) times.
Well done Ollie!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 02, 2021, 08:02:53 AM
I think he'd pop up all the way across a front 3.
An absolute handful and a complete nightmare for defenders.
When i see him play like he did tonight it just reinforces my opinion that signing a striker and pushing him out wide would be a massive mistake.

People are talking about playing him in a front three, not at right back.

He'd be all over defenders in a front 3.
I'm not sure it matters where he plays. On the right, on the left, in the middle he'll be an absolute pain in the arse for defences everywhere.
What an amazing first season he's having.
BBC stated that he's one goal off equalling the record for top English Villa scorer in the PL.
Julian Joachim managed 14 so hopefully Ollie will power past that before the season is over.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 02, 2021, 09:07:48 AM
Southgate must be thinking, tireless running, closing down space, harassing defenders, holding the ball up,  running off the ball and he can finish too.
Might need some of that in June.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: London Villan on May 02, 2021, 09:23:47 AM
He is just brilliant. Get him on a very long contract, because he is as important to our future as Jack is.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: manic-road on May 02, 2021, 09:37:54 AM
He was outstanding last night, many players would have stayed down when he was challenged by Holgate which should have led to a red card but he had the drive and desire to get up and score the goal.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 02, 2021, 09:44:37 AM
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: LeeB on May 02, 2021, 09:45:17 AM
Ron Saunders wouldíve loved him, heís for me the embodiment of what Aston Villa should be about.

Hard work, determination, quality and humility. A brilliant, brilliant signing.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: thick_mike on May 02, 2021, 09:46:39 AM


Imagine that belting out from a packed Holte End!
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Baldy on May 02, 2021, 10:30:44 AM
Southgate must be thinking, tireless running, closing down space, harassing defenders, holding the ball up,  running off the ball and he can finish too.
Might need some of that in June.

A 'Jamie Vardy' in the making.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: eamonn on May 03, 2021, 01:52:56 AM
He's a better player than Calvert-Lewin, I know that.

You'll be gutted to know that quizzed to choose one of them on MOTD last night,  "Wrighty" and "Muscles" (Micah) chose the Everton chap who has the same speaking voice as Michael Owen, the poor bugger.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Axl Rose on May 03, 2021, 05:20:59 AM
Ron Saunders wouldíve loved him, heís for me the embodiment of what Aston Villa should be about.

Hard work, determination, quality and humility. A brilliant, brilliant signing.

This.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Mister E on May 03, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
He's a better player than Calvert-Lewin, I know that.
You'll be gutted to know that quizzed to choose one of them on MOTD last night,  "Wrighty" and "Muscles" (Micah) chose the Everton chap who has the same speaking voice as Michael Owen, the poor bugger.
Playing them together would be pretty impressive. DC-L has improved massively and is a decent front runner.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Risso on May 03, 2021, 10:17:26 AM
I think Calvert-Lewin is a cracking player personally, really like him. He's the sort of player I'd hope that Davis might develop into.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 03, 2021, 01:12:22 PM
He's a better player than Calvert-Lewin, I know that.
You'll be gutted to know that quizzed to choose one of them on MOTD last night,  "Wrighty" and "Muscles" (Micah) chose the Everton chap who has the same speaking voice as Michael Owen, the poor bugger.
Playing them together would be pretty impressive. DC-L has improved massively and is a decent front runner.

Agree DC-L just shades it, if only one goes
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 03, 2021, 01:16:47 PM
He's a better player than Calvert-Lewin, I know that.

You'll be gutted to know that quizzed to choose one of them on MOTD last night,  "Wrighty" and "Muscles" (Micah) chose the Everton chap who has the same speaking voice as Michael Owen, the poor bugger.
not sure why Lineker asked them both to compared Calvert-Lewin and Watkins. Yeah, ok - they're both forwards, but they're nothing alike. It was poor.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: OCD on May 03, 2021, 01:34:58 PM
I think it was more a case of 'if you could only take one to the Euro's, which would you take?' Truth is with Abraham being out of favour and Vardy retired, they'll probably both go along with Kane.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2021, 01:43:50 PM
My issue with asking that question is more to do with are they clearly the 2nd and 3rd best strikers in England right now and I think that's an obvious yes. Both will go along with Kane and that'll be it so the comparision should be those 3 to players like Bamford and Wilson.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2021, 01:50:22 PM
Each time I watch Ollie Watkins it reconfirms that he is everything we want in a Villa player. There are players in other positions that are similar or come very close but in terms of his ability, his immense potential and most importantly his attitude and desire, heís got it all. And the latter two traits, I believe are what will help him become the player we all want him to become.
Title: Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
Post by: Smirker on May 03, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
He's got the potential to score 25+ in the PL.

£27.5m looking like a great bit of business  8)
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