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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2020, 11:51:20 AM »
You have been keen for Smith to go at a few points this season, as have I, but if the squad is just not good enough, do you think it would have made enough difference?

I suppose it's impossible to say without knowing who'd have come in, but a better January in the transfer window would have helped, and an extra 3 or 4 points now and we'd be out of the bottom three at least.  I can't see that that would have been impossible given a bit of organisation and motivation, neither of which we get from Smith.

January was fucking shit, it was basically a repeat of the Lambert/Grant Holt fiasco. We sent out a message to everyone, us included, that we were there for the taking, lost two key players for the season and did shit all to correct it.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2020, 11:54:00 AM »
You have been keen for Smith to go at a few points this season, as have I, but if the squad is just not good enough, do you think it would have made enough difference?

I suppose it's impossible to say without knowing who'd have come in, but a better January in the transfer window would have helped, and an extra 3 or 4 points now and we'd be out of the bottom three at least.  I can't see that that would have been impossible given a bit of organisation and motivation, neither of which we get from Smith.

January was fucking shit, it was basically a repeat of the Lambert/Grant Holt fiasco. We sent out a message to everyone, us included, that we were there for the taking, lost two key players for the season and did shit all to correct it.

You can't really say that when we bought two strikers in and a goalkeeper.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2020, 11:55:28 AM »
I was reflecting yesterday on the fact that when Everton hit the buffers earlier this season they went out and bought a proven winning manager - Carlos Ancelotti. His arrival brought immediate benefits in terms of on-pitch organisation and tactics.
We have stuck with a rookie, and it has not worked.
We should have moved heaven and earth to bring in the Poch as soon as he was available to work again in the EPL.
I believe it's too late now.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2020, 11:56:50 AM »
You have been keen for Smith to go at a few points this season, as have I, but if the squad is just not good enough, do you think it would have made enough difference?

I suppose it's impossible to say without knowing who'd have come in, but a better January in the transfer window would have helped, and an extra 3 or 4 points now and we'd be out of the bottom three at least.  I can't see that that would have been impossible given a bit of organisation and motivation, neither of which we get from Smith.

January was fucking shit, it was basically a repeat of the Lambert/Grant Holt fiasco. We sent out a message to everyone, us included, that we were there for the taking, lost two key players for the season and did shit all to correct it.
I'd have worked alot harder to bring in Bowen - quick, strong and a goalscorer. He looks a few cuts above AEG and Trezeguet and would have given us more of an outlet when breaking out of defence.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2020, 11:58:45 AM »
You have been keen for Smith to go at a few points this season, as have I, but if the squad is just not good enough, do you think it would have made enough difference?

I suppose it's impossible to say without knowing who'd have come in, but a better January in the transfer window would have helped, and an extra 3 or 4 points now and we'd be out of the bottom three at least.  I can't see that that would have been impossible given a bit of organisation and motivation, neither of which we get from Smith.

January was fucking shit, it was basically a repeat of the Lambert/Grant Holt fiasco. We sent out a message to everyone, us included, that we were there for the taking, lost two key players for the season and did shit all to correct it.

We also got seven points from four games and reached a cup final. On the pitch it was the best month of the season.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2020, 12:00:04 PM »
You have been keen for Smith to go at a few points this season, as have I, but if the squad is just not good enough, do you think it would have made enough difference?
Neither the squad nor the manager have been good enough but you can't buy an entire new squad during the season so changing the manager is the only option.  It's difficult to imagine a new manager getting less out the squad than Dean has.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2020, 12:06:22 PM »
You have been keen for Smith to go at a few points this season, as have I, but if the squad is just not good enough, do you think it would have made enough difference?

I suppose it's impossible to say without knowing who'd have come in, but a better January in the transfer window would have helped, and an extra 3 or 4 points now and we'd be out of the bottom three at least.  I can't see that that would have been impossible given a bit of organisation and motivation, neither of which we get from Smith.

January was fucking shit, it was basically a repeat of the Lambert/Grant Holt fiasco. We sent out a message to everyone, us included, that we were there for the taking, lost two key players for the season and did shit all to correct it.

You can't really say that when we bought two strikers in and a goalkeeper.

You can when you see who we bought in. Two players semi-retired and a third that couldn't get a game in the division below.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #52 on: June 22, 2020, 12:10:49 PM »
You have been keen for Smith to go at a few points this season, as have I, but if the squad is just not good enough, do you think it would have made enough difference?
Neither the squad nor the manager have been good enough but you can't buy an entire new squad during the season so changing the manager is the only option.  It's difficult to imagine a new manager getting less out the squad than Dean has.
It's the lack of preparation/plan that gets me the most. We've been pathetic at times but have also seen glimpses of what we are capable of (see Everton and Newcastle performances).

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #53 on: June 22, 2020, 12:15:08 PM »
Its a case of the Smith being too advanced in knowledge to get it through to simple footballers!

I imagine half of them don't listen to what he's going on about or at least don't understand about where to be on the pitch, how to play and what to do.

Clearly its a case of the Smith being too advanced in knowledge to get it through to simple footballers!

A new manager may bring some light relief as I think the players aren't able to think to Smith's ability.

He's been homeschooling them but the pupils aren't interested .

It's a shame as Deano wants to coach and develop and has his beliefs. The simple matter seems to be a cry for basics and not go overload these overpaid footballers with too much information.

The whole go out there and play ethos.

The irony isn't lost Bruce is up next.
And  Bruce Newcastle  has a big say in the relegation battle having to play all the teams apart from Norwich.

From all Smith's tactical knowledge he's got to find a way for the players to understand!
And get them to buy into what he wants.

Maybe they have to be incentive with a bonus now because not many seem to be playing Smith's way.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2020, 12:17:32 PM »
Its a case of the Smith being too advanced in knowledge to get it through to simple footballers!

I imagine half of them don't listen to what he's going on about or at least don't understand about where to be on the pitch, how to play and what to do.

Clearly its a case of the Smith being too advanced in knowledge to get it through to simple footballers!

A new manager may bring some light relief as I think the players aren't able to think to Smith's ability.

He's been homeschooling them but the pupils aren't interested .

It's a shame as Deano wants to coach and develop and has his beliefs. The simple matter seems to be a cry for basics and not go overload these overpaid footballers with too much information.

The whole go out there and play ethos.

The irony isn't lost Bruce is up next.
And  Bruce Newcastle  has a big say in the relegation battle having to play all the teams apart from Norwich.

From all Smith's tactical knowledge he's got to find a way for the players to understand!
And get them to buy into what he wants.

Maybe they have to be incentive with a bonus now because not many seem to be playing Smith's way.
If thats true (which I don't believe for a second) then it confirms what I already think - he's not a very good manager.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2020, 12:38:46 PM »
You have been keen for Smith to go at a few points this season, as have I, but if the squad is just not good enough, do you think it would have made enough difference?

I suppose it's impossible to say without knowing who'd have come in, but a better January in the transfer window would have helped, and an extra 3 or 4 points now and we'd be out of the bottom three at least.  I can't see that that would have been impossible given a bit of organisation and motivation, neither of which we get from Smith.

January was fucking shit, it was basically a repeat of the Lambert/Grant Holt fiasco. We sent out a message to everyone, us included, that we were there for the taking, lost two key players for the season and did shit all to correct it.

You can't really say that when we bought two strikers in and a goalkeeper.

You can when you see who we bought in. Two players semi-retired and a third that couldn't get a game in the division below.

But that's not what you said. You said we had had done 'shit all' when in reality we did. You also didn't mention Samatta.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2020, 12:39:18 PM »
You have been keen for Smith to go at a few points this season, as have I, but if the squad is just not good enough, do you think it would have made enough difference?

I suppose it's impossible to say without knowing who'd have come in, but a better January in the transfer window would have helped, and an extra 3 or 4 points now and we'd be out of the bottom three at least.  I can't see that that would have been impossible given a bit of organisation and motivation, neither of which we get from Smith.

January was fucking shit, it was basically a repeat of the Lambert/Grant Holt fiasco. We sent out a message to everyone, us included, that we were there for the taking, lost two key players for the season and did shit all to correct it.

We also got seven points from four games and reached a cup final. On the pitch it was the best month of the season.

I assume Lee meant 'January the transfer window' as preparation for the second half of the season, rather than the actual results in the month itself. 

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2020, 12:41:08 PM »
But that's not what you said. You said we had had done 'shit all' when in reality we did. You also didn't mention Samatta.

I think you're possibly getting bogged down in semantics a little bit.  Whether we did enough or not, the players we brought in haven't been good enough, and haven't done anything to improve results and our league standing.

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #58 on: June 22, 2020, 12:44:35 PM »
But that's not what you said. You said we had had done 'shit all' when in reality we did. You also didn't mention Samatta.
So of the players we bought in Jan there's Samatta (currently not in the starting XI), Drinky (nowhere near the first team), Reina (currently not in the first team), and Baston (benchwarmer).

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Re: 8 Games rescue plan!
« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2020, 12:46:51 PM »
But that's not what you said. You said we had had done 'shit all' when in reality we did. You also didn't mention Samatta.

I think you're possibly getting bogged down in semantics a little bit.  Whether we did enough or not, the players we brought in haven't been good enough, and haven't done anything to improve results and our league standing.

Now that's a different matter and so far that looks to be true but to say we did 'shit all' when that's not true is a comment that's going to be challenged.

 


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