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Author Topic: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread  (Read 322253 times)

Offline SoccerHQ

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #240 on: December 03, 2019, 08:52:40 PM »
I see what you're saying but for me in our position right now it's as simple as this:  Would player (eg Brewster) be an asset to our squad and help us stay up?  If the answer is yes then it's worth doing, no strings attached.  It's just one (or two) loans, it won't leave us with a problem it will just help us through a period where we're thin on the ground and allow us to look again in the summer with another years PL riches secured.

Seen a bit of him in league cup and he just reminds me of Solanke who I think is still yet to score for Bournemouth. We were linked to Ben Woodburn not so long ago, he went to Sheffield United instead and they sent him back after two months. Think he's now at Oxford.

Surely we're passed the point now of getting in young players with lack of experience of playing proper games. To me to improve more over next year we need to sign an established player or two not just for club but their national team aswell.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #241 on: December 03, 2019, 09:51:24 PM »
Balotelli is available on a free or loan.  Might be fun, good player when he puts his mind to it and good for team spirit....possibly.

Perhaps not.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #242 on: December 03, 2019, 09:54:33 PM »
Time for bed Steven....YES RIGHT NOW.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #243 on: December 03, 2019, 09:57:00 PM »
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #244 on: December 03, 2019, 10:24:20 PM »
But they wouldnít be our rivals if we hadnít had those players.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #245 on: December 03, 2019, 11:20:45 PM »
What is really the difference between a loan and a contracted player? Most players only stay at a clubs for a few years anyway, and for us, if do have decent player, sooner or later he will leave if one of CL clubs come in for him. At least with a loan, we can send them back after a shorter time if they are shit.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #246 on: December 04, 2019, 12:04:45 AM »
What is really the difference between a loan and a contracted player? Most players only stay at a clubs for a few years anyway, and for us, if do have decent player, sooner or later he will leave if one of CL clubs come in for him. At least with a loan, we can send them back after a shorter time if they are shit.

It is the short term nature of loans which is the difference I suppose.  As we saw last season, they can be very beneficial if there is an immediate short term goal (ie. going up or staying up) and there is then a plan in place to build from there.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #247 on: December 04, 2019, 12:42:24 AM »
What is really the difference between a loan and a contracted player? Most players only stay at a clubs for a few years anyway, and for us, if do have decent player, sooner or later he will leave if one of CL clubs come in for him. At least with a loan, we can send them back after a shorter time if they are shit.
How many successful ( teams that win stuff) teams rely on loan players?

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #248 on: December 04, 2019, 01:05:59 AM »
What is really the difference between a loan and a contracted player? Most players only stay at a clubs for a few years anyway, and for us, if do have decent player, sooner or later he will leave if one of CL clubs come in for him. At least with a loan, we can send them back after a shorter time if they are shit.
How many successful ( teams that win stuff) teams rely on loan players?


Bayern Munich - Coutinho, Perisic
PSG - Rico, Icardi
Man City - Scott Carson (not a first teamer obviously)

All have loan players in their squad. Chelsea, with all their wealth, last season had Kovacic on loan which they've now turned into a permanent. While not saying it's ideal, it would be silly to rule the possibility out completely. If a loan fits a given situation, then why not?

As an example, if Chelsea had their transfer ban overturned, bought in two big name strikers and said they'd loan Abraham out to us for the rest of the season, should we turn that down on principle? (unlikely I know, but just an example).

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #249 on: December 04, 2019, 06:56:44 AM »
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.

But they all played a massive part in getting us promoted, so they were very effective.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #250 on: December 04, 2019, 07:55:51 AM »
What is really the difference between a loan and a contracted player? Most players only stay at a clubs for a few years anyway, and for us, if do have decent player, sooner or later he will leave if one of CL clubs come in for him. At least with a loan, we can send them back after a shorter time if they are shit.
How many successful ( teams that win stuff) teams rely on loan players?


Bayern Munich - Coutinho, Perisic
PSG - Rico, Icardi
Man City - Scott Carson (not a first teamer obviously)

All have loan players in their squad. Chelsea, with all their wealth, last season had Kovacic on loan which they've now turned into a permanent. While not saying it's ideal, it would be silly to rule the possibility out completely. If a loan fits a given situation, then why not?

As an example, if Chelsea had their transfer ban overturned, bought in two big name strikers and said they'd loan Abraham out to us for the rest of the season, should we turn that down on principle? (unlikely I know, but just an example).
Point taken, I would suggest that what a Good manager wants is a settled squad with the nucleus of the team with 2 + years left on their contracts. This looks like the model that DS is aiming for.
They have stated that the policy is not to loan players which I agree with, but I am sure that there are circumstances that a loan may be a necessary.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #251 on: December 04, 2019, 08:38:03 AM »
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.
The Baggies didn't loan these players and didn't get promoted.  But at least they didn't have to pay over the odds for Mings so they're having the last laugh now, right?

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #252 on: December 04, 2019, 08:47:52 AM »
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.
The Baggies didn't loan these players and didn't get promoted.  But at least they didn't have to pay over the odds for Mings so they're having the last laugh now, right?

DS said we may of paid over the odds but since his transfer his worth has doubled and for what it's worth FTA

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #253 on: December 04, 2019, 09:18:37 AM »
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.

So you'd rather we hadn't signed them and we were playing Barnsley tonight?

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #254 on: December 04, 2019, 10:39:39 AM »
Thereís two sides to it imo. The commercial aspect where permanent signings are an asset that you can develop and loans are someone elseís asset you are developing (or, injuring, etc.)

But I think that argument goes away when it comes to promotion from the championship, because the financial benefits of promotion dwarf any increase in transfer values youíve foregone.

Then thereís the emotional side and I definitely agree that cheering on Ďourí players is qualitatively different. But I think itís a bit of a false distinction anyway. With a few exceptions all players are mercenaries and encouraged to think that way by the economics of football. As an example, just thinking of the last few years, Iíd consider Snodgrass more of a villa man than Delph based on his relationship with the fans/squad and his contribution on and off the pitch.

 


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