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Title: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: FatSam on November 22, 2019, 02:15:08 AM
I couldnít see a thread for this. Mods, feel free to merge if there already is one.

Weíve been linked with NicolŠs GaitŠn (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/21/nicolas-gaitan-west-ham-aston-villa-free-agent) of Chicago Fire:

Quote from: The Guardian
West Ham and Aston Villa interested in signing free agent NicolŠs GaitŠn

ē Sheffield United also in frame for 31-year-old winger
ē GaitŠnís contract at Chicago Fire expires in December

NicolŠs GaitŠn could be on his way to the Premier League in January, with West Ham, Aston Villa and Sheffield United interested in signing the former Argentina winger on a two-year deal.

The 31-year-old is available on a free transfer with his contract at MLS side Chicago Fire due to expire at the end of December. GaitŠn, who was perennially linked with a move to Manchester United during his spell at Benfica, has an option to remain in the United States for another year but is understood to favour a return to Europe. He spent the previous season at Chinese side Dalian Yifang.

His return of four goals and 11 assists in 27 MLS appearances has alerted West Ham, with initial talks understood to have taken place between the sporting director, Mario Husillos, and the playerís representative, Matias Lipman, over a January move.

Manuel Pellegriniís side are struggling in the lower half of the table as they prepare to face Tottenham on Saturday in Josť Mourinhoís first match since taking over from Mauricio Pochettino.

Resolving West Hamís defensive issues is the priority for the transfer window, although the manager is believed to have requested more attacking reinforcements as well.

West Ham are expected to face competition from Villa for GaitŠnís signature, while Chris Wilderís United have also registered an interest. The former Atlťtico Madrid player has won 16 caps for Argentina but has not made an international appearance since 2016.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on November 22, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Is he the one the MSL crowds sing "Dalian Yifang reject" at?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JD on November 22, 2019, 07:48:50 AM
Just put out a statement of intent and sign Erling Braut Haland.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 22, 2019, 10:00:36 AM
Cavani and Bale on loan till the end of the season will do me.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on November 22, 2019, 10:01:42 AM
Cavani and Bale on loan till the end of the season will do me.

To Spurs?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 22, 2019, 10:12:27 AM
Who?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on November 22, 2019, 10:31:00 AM
We urgently need to boost our attacking options.  I really hope they don't neglect this area for a second window.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on November 22, 2019, 10:45:46 AM
Just put out a statement of intent and sign Erling Braut Haland.
Born in Leeds, Alfie's son
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 22, 2019, 11:16:01 AM
Jared Bowen please
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on November 22, 2019, 12:41:30 PM
Centre-forward and a goal scoring wide-man are essential

Was hoping for Batshuayi and Demarai Gray but both seem to have played themselves in to contention.

Albrighton on loan might be a shout.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 22, 2019, 02:14:05 PM
Jared Bowen please
Yep.  And a striker.  I'd take Mitrovic.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on November 22, 2019, 02:36:50 PM
I don't think Bowen or Mitrovic are what we need but I do get the appeal.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on November 22, 2019, 02:57:35 PM
The Guardian article seems to suggest that West Ham are more strongly linked with GaitŠn than us, but we are interested. At 31 he doesn't fit the profile of player that Smith and Suso seem to have been targeting. However, Gregg Evans suggested that we were looking to bring in a wide player rather than a striker in January, which perhaps makes the link more plausible.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2019, 03:23:59 PM
We really need a wide player to cross the ball to our Centre forward.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on November 22, 2019, 03:48:05 PM
Someone that brings something different to our attacking options, please. Either to start in place of or subb for Wes.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: manic-road on November 22, 2019, 04:29:38 PM
I'd like Michy Batshuayi, seems to score goals but never gets a decent run at Chelski.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 22, 2019, 05:16:51 PM
Someone quick, who can cross and take his chances
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 22, 2019, 05:34:20 PM
Players of the quality of Young and Carew, circa 2007, to come in please.

I think we could let Chester and Kodjia go on frees with their contracts running out in the summer. The long forgotten Croatian keeper surely could go out on loan.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 22, 2019, 05:42:24 PM
Mitrovic? Fuck no. He did nothing at Premier League level last year. We should be targeting far better than him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on November 22, 2019, 05:50:10 PM
... I think we could let Chester and Kodjia go on frees with their contracts running out in the summer. The long forgotten Croatian keeper surely could go out on loan.
Agreed.

Mitrovic? Fuck no. He did nothing at Premier League level last year. We should be targeting far better than him.
Absolutely!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on November 22, 2019, 05:53:30 PM
It's a risk because he's coming from a very different league but I really like the look of Cristian Pavon (he's been at LA Galaxy recently but is on loan from Boca Juniors). Quick, good cross, fantastic taking on his man and a decent finisher. 3 goals and 6 assists in 11 games for Galaxy and Zlatan has said he's far too good for that league. Was linked with Arsenal and Everton (amongst others) in the summer and wouldn't be too expensive in this window. I reckon he's a £60-70m player after a year or 2 in the league.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 22, 2019, 10:18:00 PM
I'd like Michy Batshuayi, seems to score goals but never gets a decent run at Chelski.

I agree, did o.k at Palace on loan when he moved there last January so he's not some impossible to sign player. That said he does seem to be playing a bit for Chelsea recently.

The striker below him in the pecking order is Giroud, that would be a bit of a coup to tempt him here as I imagine plenty of teams playing in europe would be interested.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 22, 2019, 11:11:59 PM
Giroud would be perfect for Wes to learn from. He also isnít coming to us for the last bit of his career. Heíll have options to play at CL level even if it isnít for a top club in Europe.

Ideally we get in someone who is quick and makes great runs into space. We donít have enough of that now. We are way too predictable up front.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on November 23, 2019, 12:56:29 PM
Just put out a statement of intent and sign Erling Braut Haland.

He'll end up at Leipzig
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT on November 23, 2019, 05:11:43 PM
 Michy Batshuayi Would be an interesting one.

But Mitrovic? Jesus no!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 23, 2019, 09:30:52 PM
I wouldn't mind us taking a punt on Bradley Dack. 38 goals in 99 games for Blackburn since he signed for them in 2017. Bearing in mind Blackburn are not the most attacking team in the Championship.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 23, 2019, 10:02:26 PM
Michy Batshuayi Would be an interesting one.

But Mitrovic? Jesus no!

Michail Antonio
Can play both wings and as a forward.
A great asset in the air.
Great work ethic
Scores goals.
Premier League experience .
It's time we brought in a few with some know how .
At 29 he could do the job that keeps us up.
15 million rising to 20 million small price to pay.
We know exactly what we get with him
Brilliant pro and very good attitude
There is really no argument against for me.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 23, 2019, 10:04:50 PM

Giroud would be perfect for Wes to learn from. He also isnít coming to us for the last bit of his career. Heíll have options to play at CL level even if it isnít for a top club in Europe.

Ideally we get in someone who is quick and makes great runs into space. We donít have enough of that now. We are way too predictable up front.



If I had to choose who would be successful and can depend on , and as much as french footballers are generally the best in Europe if not the world, I would still have Antonio over Giroud every match 

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 23, 2019, 10:10:48 PM
I wouldn't mind us taking a punt on Bradley Dack. 38 goals in 99 games for Blackburn since he signed for them in 2017. Bearing in mind Blackburn are not the most attacking team in the Championship.

He's a good player, but they were talking about a £18m-20m price tag in the summer. I think we can get better value than that.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 23, 2019, 10:15:11 PM
I wouldn't mind us taking a punt on Bradley Dack. 38 goals in 99 games for Blackburn since he signed for them in 2017. Bearing in mind Blackburn are not the most attacking team in the Championship.

He's a good player, but they were talking about a £18m-20m price tag in the summer. I think we can get better value than that.


There is no way he will go for that money. Blackburn aren't flush with cash and five million would get him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 23, 2019, 10:19:47 PM
Someone quick, who can cross and take his chances

Jared Bowen and Jordan Ibe are both out of contract in summer .
I think suitable bids for them to bring in window would be good business.
Jordan Ibe would be some one Smith could re energise.
Bowen has good quality.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 23, 2019, 10:28:12 PM
Michy Batshuayi Would be an interesting one.

But Mitrovic? Jesus no!


Batshuayi would be great but he is in his prime at 26 and has scored 86 goals in 235 games in Belgium, France, Germany and England. Even if he is in any way available he would cost a fortune and sought after by a number of clubs. If we could pull a deal off  for him that would be a real coup.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 23, 2019, 10:28:51 PM
I wouldn't mind us taking a punt on Bradley Dack. 38 goals in 99 games for Blackburn since he signed for them in 2017. Bearing in mind Blackburn are not the most attacking team in the Championship.

He's a good player, but they were talking about a £18m-20m price tag in the summer. I think we can get better value than that.


There is no way he will go for that money. Blackburn aren't flush with cash and five million would get him.

Albion allegedly bid £15m for him last year and were turned down.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on November 23, 2019, 10:36:17 PM
Someone quick, who can cross and take his chances

Jared Bowen and Jordan Ibe are both out of contract in summer .
I think suitable bids for them to bring in window would be good business.
Jordan Ibe would be some one Smith could re energise.
Bowen has good quality.
Ibe is shit and Bowen is a troublemaker...
...so, it's a no from me.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on November 23, 2019, 10:51:06 PM
Alfredo Morelos...I know he's got a poor disciplinary record and yes it is Scotland but he looks good, he's quite young and now in Colombia national side.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on November 23, 2019, 10:55:11 PM
Morelos has a fucking appauling temperemant. Sent off 6 times last season, fart by him and he'll lash out.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on November 23, 2019, 11:04:31 PM
Morelos has a fucking appauling temperemant. Sent off 6 times last season, fart by him and he'll lash out.
No, just the 5 😉...none so far this season
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 23, 2019, 11:30:49 PM
Ollie Watkins from Brentford would be a good shout.  Second top scorer in the Championship and can play both centrally and wide. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mcgrath_85 on November 23, 2019, 11:43:30 PM
Ollie Watkins from Brentford would be a good shout.  Second top scorer in the Championship and can play both centrally and wide. 

Good shout. But I think we should be looking higher. Would the mighty Wolves be looking at him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2019, 12:16:21 AM
We're not allowed buy more people from Brentford, they've forbidden us. Like Liverpool with Saints...they've been trying to entice Shane Long to Anfield for the past 18 months without success.

Seriously though, Bowen a troublemaker? 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 24, 2019, 07:57:29 AM
Morelos has a fucking appauling temperemant. Sent off 6 times last season, fart by him and he'll lash out.
No, just the 5 😉...none so far this season

I've heard that he's sorted out the discipline issues this season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on November 24, 2019, 08:45:46 AM
Alrbighton on loan
Bowen on a permanent
Giroud on loan

New front three and someone to teach Wes a thing or two.

Revisit the centre forward in the Summer. It'll be the signing to take us from a relegation battler to midtable so we need to get it right. Morelos looks exciting but he'd cost even more in January and he may take time to adapt down here.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on November 24, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
Seriously though, Bowen a troublemaker? 
That's what I thought I'd read somewhere; perhaps I've mixed him up with someone else.

Why has he not been snapped up, like James was from Swansea?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 24, 2019, 11:40:36 AM
Alrbighton on loan
Bowen on a permanent
Giroud on loan

New front three and someone to teach Wes a thing or two.

Revisit the centre forward in the Summer. It'll be the signing to take us from a relegation battler to midtable so we need to get it right. Morelos looks exciting but he'd cost even more in January and he may take time to adapt down here.

Think we only need one wide player if Jack is going to continue to play there.  Albrighton would be ideal.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Demitri_C on November 24, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
Ibe is A good shout. Fits the.profile type of player Smith likes.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on November 24, 2019, 12:29:26 PM
Origi from Liverpool. Not the best player in the world but he knows where the goal is. Apparently he signed a new deal this summer but not sure heís happy to sit it out on the bench given options to get more games. Heís had a few loan spells in recent years so an approach to loan could be more realistic.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on November 24, 2019, 12:48:13 PM
Batsuhuayi would be great but I canít see it happening - origi or Giroud would probably get enough goals to keep us up but it would mean effectively writing off our Brazilian star signing - maybe a player who can provide for our existing forward would be a better option?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on November 24, 2019, 12:55:57 PM
Giroud is pretty much a non goal-scorer these days.  It's a no from me.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on November 24, 2019, 01:04:18 PM
Batsuhuayi would be great but I canít see it happening - origi or Giroud would probably get enough goals to keep us up but it would mean effectively writing off our Brazilian star signing - maybe a player who can provide for our existing forward would be a better option?
So what happens if or when Wes gets injured? We all know JK isnít good enough at this level and Davis is injury prone and hasnít had enough game time to prove himself. WeĎve seen glimpses from Wes but we need a natural goalscorer to work and run the line a lot more than what Wes has done so far. Itís far too early to write him off but if we want to stay up then solely relying on Wes isnít the answer.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 24, 2019, 01:16:21 PM
I don't think Batsuhuyai would really fit us. His goal scoring record is good but we don't really create too many chances and his outside of the box play is pretty poor, we need someone who can hold the ball up and bring others into play. Giroud would be perfect for a short term answer, his play with Hazard was excellent and couple be similar with Grealish and others. Doubt if we would move for either though.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 24, 2019, 01:22:08 PM
but it would mean effectively writing off our Brazilian star signing - maybe a player who can provide for our existing forward would be a better option?
Or we accept that the problem is the Centre Forward
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 24, 2019, 01:26:47 PM
Alrbighton on loan
Bowen on a permanent
Giroud on loan

New front three and someone to teach Wes a thing or two.

Revisit the centre forward in the Summer. It'll be the signing to take us from a relegation battler to midtable so we need to get it right. Morelos looks exciting but he'd cost even more in January and he may take time to adapt down here.


We have to bring in a genuine goalscorer in January if we are going to avoid relegation worries. Not goalscoring wingers or midfielders, a striker. Preferably a Robbie Keane or Darren Bent as opposed to a Warren Aspinall or a  Tony Cascarino.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 24, 2019, 01:31:14 PM
Can't see Chelsea letting Giroud go when they can't sign anyone. Would be a bit mad to leave themselves with just Tammy.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 24, 2019, 01:34:22 PM
Bowen has just scored for Hull away to Boro. That is now 10 goals in 17 league games this season. Last season he got 22 in 46.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 24, 2019, 01:44:12 PM
but it would mean effectively writing off our Brazilian star signing - maybe a player who can provide for our existing forward would be a better option?
Or we accept that the problem is the Centre Forward

Every Premier League club has more than one option at centre forward. It's not a case of writing off Wesley if we sign another, just having another option, especially if it's a different type of forward.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 24, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
Can't see Chelsea letting Giroud go when they can't sign anyone. Would be a bit mad to leave themselves with just Tammy.

He's barely been making the bench in last six weeks so you'd think he'd want to go out on loan at least to get regular games ahead of euro 2020.

Under no illusions though that many clubs in europe would be after him so seems pretty unlikely.

Actually there was supposed to be a link with Buendia today and he wouldn't be a bad pick up as he plays the number 10 role well (at least in the championship) and we certainly need some alternative to Jack when he's injured. Scored the winner at VP on last day of the season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 24, 2019, 03:08:39 PM
but it would mean effectively writing off our Brazilian star signing - maybe a player who can provide for our existing forward would be a better option?
Or we accept that the problem is the Centre Forward

Every Premier League club has more than one option at centre forward. It's not a case of writing off Wesley if we sign another, just having another option, especially if it's a different type of forward.

You think back to when Benteke came in. We had Bent, Gabby (in 2012 he was still a decent premier league striker) and Weimann was also coming through (and played very well that season) so perfect set of options that meant Benteke didn't have to start every single game while he was developing.

In the end he did start most of the games because everyone could see he had something even if he didn't become really prolific until the second half of the season.

Wes has looked far more limited and I don't think it's helped the lack of options that mean he has to always start games. Bonkers to think we were happy to rely on Kodj and Davis as back up, not only given both haven't played in prem before but both pick up injuries. At the moment one is currently injured and the other missed two months of the season.

However people try to spin it the lack of a second decent striker at least off the bench has cost us some points this season e.g. West Ham at home when game was crying out to be won in last 20 minutes and we didn't have a supersub.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2019, 03:50:30 PM
Can't see Chelsea letting Giroud go when they can't sign anyone. Would be a bit mad to leave themselves with just Tammy.

He's barely been making the bench in last six weeks so you'd think he'd want to go out on loan at least to get regular games ahead of euro 2020.

Under no illusions though that many clubs in europe would be after him so seems pretty unlikely.

Actually there was supposed to be a link with Buendia today and he wouldn't be a bad pick up as he plays the number 10 role well (at least in the championship) and we certainly need some alternative to Jack when he's injured. Scored the winner at VP on last day of the season.

Norwich would not sell, certainly not to a direct rival.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 24, 2019, 04:14:18 PM
We've been linked today with bring in Brewster from Liverpool on loan. He looks a prospect but I don't think he's top of the list for what we need right now. Zlatan Ibrahimović is available. I've heard he's not bad.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 24, 2019, 04:15:49 PM
We've been linked today with bring in Brewster from Liverpool on loan. He looks a prospect but I don't think he's top of the list for what we need right now. Zlatan Ibrahimović is available. I've heard he's not bad.

None of the above.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 24, 2019, 05:31:24 PM
Another vote for Origi
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on November 24, 2019, 06:31:05 PM
Bowen for me, no idea why he hasnít been snapped up by someone yet. Absolutely a quality player IMO.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 24, 2019, 08:05:21 PM
We've been linked today with bring in Brewster from Liverpool on loan. He looks a prospect but I don't think he's top of the list for what we need right now. Zlatan Ibrahimović is available. I've heard he's not bad.


Apparently we asked Liverpool how much Brewster would cost and the answer was "Brewster's Millions".
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on November 24, 2019, 08:47:56 PM
We've been linked today with bring in Brewster from Liverpool on loan. He looks a prospect but I don't think he's top of the list for what we need right now. Zlatan Ibrahimović is available. I've heard he's not bad.


Apparently we asked Liverpool how much Brewster would cost and the answer was "Brewster's Millions".

It's 'none of the above' for me.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2019, 10:06:45 PM
Bowen for me, no idea why he hasnít been snapped up by someone yet. Absolutely a quality player IMO.

Someone said his old man is a Villa fan too.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 24, 2019, 10:57:32 PM
Bowen for me, no idea why he hasnít been snapped up by someone yet. Absolutely a quality player IMO.

Someone said his old man is a Villa fan too.

Yup:

Quote
"I have seen a few things recently, let's sign Jarod Bowen, he's a Villa fan," Bowen told Soccer Saturday. "I am like, I want to reply, but I'm not a Villa fan. It's my Dad who is a Villa fan. Let's just get this straight.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on November 24, 2019, 11:01:51 PM
We really need some pace in the attacking areas, how quick is Bowen?  Jack is no slouch but pace isn't his key asset.  Wesley isn't quick at all, and Trezeguet and El Ghazi aren't especially fast when they have the ball.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Demitri_C on November 25, 2019, 09:08:00 AM
We really need some pace in the attacking areas, how quick is Bowen?  Jack is no slouch but pace isn't his key asset.  Wesley isn't quick at all, and Trezeguet and El Ghazi aren't especially fast when they have the ball.

It's strange as trez is suppose to one of the fastest players in the league but that's also my observation.

I think mitrovoc and Bowen woukd both be quality signings.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on November 25, 2019, 09:29:27 AM
I would like us to go for Bowen and Benrahma if that is possible they would fantastic signings.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 25, 2019, 09:34:04 AM
I would be shocked if Bowen isnt a Villa player by end of Jan (no itk just gut feel)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 25, 2019, 06:53:52 PM
I would be shocked if Bowen isnt a Villa player by end of Jan (no itk just gut feel)

Clearly a talented player but don't we already have the likes of McGinn, Grealish, Hourihane and Jota competing for the position Bowen plays in?

We urgently need to add options up top. I think we create plenty of chances so even a loan move for a penalty box striker like Giroud or Benteke wouldn't be the worst shout ever. Watkins is going well at Brentford again so will likely be linked with him again. Che Adams is having a nightmare at Southampton so far but showed his quality last season in a dire team.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Newby on November 25, 2019, 10:49:57 PM
Defensively, I think we are fine.  I would like us to bring in three quality players.  A forward, winger and another central midfielder. Playing Jack out on the left covers a problem position for us therefore, I'd like an upgrade on Lansbury.  I'm not sure we will get those types of players in the January window though.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 25, 2019, 11:18:27 PM
I like the Newcastle player with the silly hair. Number ten. How much would he cost us?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 25, 2019, 11:26:04 PM
The Newcastle player with the silly hair is the definition of all fart no shit. A modern day NíZogbia.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 25, 2019, 11:26:37 PM
Nah, he's good. As was N'Zogbia, for a while. His attitude was far more of an issue than his ability.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 25, 2019, 11:28:51 PM
Newcastle signed him for 25m.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 25, 2019, 11:29:08 PM
Saint-Maximin, cost them about £16m plus potential add-ons reportedly. He's an exciting player but lacks end product at the moment, similar to how Adama was. I always believe you can teach a player the end product part, harder to teach them to be exciting.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 25, 2019, 11:36:41 PM
Newcastle signed him for 25m.

Ah, bugger. My £2 million plus Hogan scheme might not entice them, then.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on November 25, 2019, 11:41:56 PM
Saint-Maximin, cost them about £16m plus potential add-ons reportedly. He's an exciting player but lacks end product at the moment, similar to how Adama was. I always believe you can teach a player the end product part, harder to teach them to be exciting.

I made the same comparison at the match, heís a talent but plays solely for himself
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on November 25, 2019, 11:45:36 PM
He had some ability but I think AEG and Trez are both better players and we got them for little more than he cost.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 26, 2019, 12:05:03 AM
Newcastle signed him for 25m.

Ah, bugger. My £2 million plus Hogan scheme might not entice them, then.

Send them Kodj instead.

Thought that Joenlinthon guy upfront was hopeless. I know Wes isn't the greatest striker around but to me he's shown much more than the Newcastle striker.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 26, 2019, 12:24:06 AM
Yeah, I was sorry to see him go. Absolute rubbish.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on November 26, 2019, 12:40:20 PM
2 names mentioned today by the same guy who told me we were looking at the aguero style striker towards the end of the window.

Dembele from Lyon

Morales from Rangers

He said he would be amazed if we didnt sign one or the other but aparently barring injuries we are only looking at strikers in january. Even if we sell sjm to Man United we wont be breaking the bank to replace him either.

I cant help think back to when city and Chelsea became rich and they went through the patch of signing footballing mercenaries before their league position started to attract better players and I think that's the more likely route we will be going down this winter/next summer.

Let's just hope whoever we sign keeps us up because at the moment I'm slightly worried and smith worries me a little too but I am seeing improvements in his management style
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on November 26, 2019, 01:32:27 PM
We've been linked with Morales before so there might be something in that.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2019, 01:55:27 PM
He had some ability but I think AEG and Trez are both better players and we got them for little more than he cost.

El Ghazi has more end product, but Trezeguet has been nothing but a huge disappointment so far, in my opinion.  Not much to his game at all.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on November 26, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
TalkSport, Jesus wept, just said that McGinn and Grealish have been linked to a move away!!! Maybe last year they were, but we have a win on tv yesterday and they are already stirring it up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on November 26, 2019, 02:13:57 PM
Dembele is a superb player, 100 goals before his 24th birthday shows the level he is at. He'd cost about £40m and would have quite a few offers though.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Newby on November 26, 2019, 02:36:20 PM
TalkSport, Jesus wept, just said that McGinn and Grealish have been linked to a move away!!! Maybe last year they were, but we have a win on tv yesterday and they are already stirring it up.

Talkshite more like.  We won't get anywhere by selling our best players.  Besides, we don't have to sell and we have rich owners. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 26, 2019, 02:50:03 PM
Den eke is a superb player, would love him at Villa xx
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 26, 2019, 02:58:07 PM
Fat fingers, mobile phone donít go well together, Dembele ha ha
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 26, 2019, 03:02:37 PM
Dembele sounds exciting. Not sure about Morales, think he would score a few goals but not sure about his link up play.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on November 26, 2019, 03:07:02 PM
TalkSport, Jesus wept, just said that McGinn and Grealish have been linked to a move away!!! Maybe last year they were, but we have a win on tv yesterday and they are already stirring it up.

Links these days seem to be Tweets and and wishful thinking on fans forums. The asking price for these 2 will be astronomical.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 26, 2019, 03:14:43 PM
We will likely hear a lot more of this nonsense in the run up to Sunday. Man U have always leaked these kind of "links" before their games.

Good news is that they paid nearly £300 million for Maguire, Wan-Bissaka and Pogba, so we could demand at least £8 trillion for either McGinn or Grealish. Let alone both.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on November 26, 2019, 03:19:05 PM
We will likely hear a lot more of this nonsense in the run up to Sunday. Man U have always leaked these kind of "links" before their games.

Good news is that they paid nearly £300 million for Maguire, Wan-Bissaka and Pogba, so we could demand at least £8 trillion for either McGinn or Grealish. Let alone both.

They could do with a left back, a £62m bid for Neil Taylor could get them to the negotiating table.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 26, 2019, 03:27:10 PM
£62 million for Taylor and I'd even consider throwing Hogan in to sweeten the deal.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 26, 2019, 03:36:03 PM
£62 million for Taylor and I'd even consider throwing Hogan in to sweeten the deal.

Ha, ha 👍
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on November 26, 2019, 03:54:11 PM
TalkSport, Jesus wept, just said that McGinn and Grealish have been linked to a move away!!! Maybe last year they were, but we have a win on tv yesterday and they are already stirring it up.

Links these days seem to be Tweets and and wishful thinking on fans forums. The asking price for these 2 will be astronomical.

The reason it's  called Talkshite is because it does exactly what it says on the tin.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on November 26, 2019, 04:28:42 PM
Thing you always have to remember is people talk about coming and getting our best players the same way as we talk about going and getting theirs
itís the nature of the transfer market

sometimes it happens a lot of the time it doesnít
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on November 26, 2019, 04:31:23 PM
There are many things to take issue with over Talkshite, but the worst for me is that arrogant, know nothing Cockney Red gobshite Andy Goldstein, the poster boy for thick as shit, gloryhunting banter merchants.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on November 26, 2019, 04:36:23 PM
There are many things to take issue with over Talkshite, but the worst for me is that arrogant, know nothing Cockney Red gobshite Andy Goldstein, the poster boy for thick as shit, gloryhunting banter merchants.



ha ha, couldnít agree more absolute toss basket
him and Cundy together represent all things shit about well everything
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on November 26, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
Dembele would be like a better version of Benteke, but he's already known as a talent and I don't think we'd have much chance of signing him. Vargas maybe? Just playing fantasy footy now...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 26, 2019, 05:58:56 PM
We already have good players. If we want to improve we need to be targeting insanely dead brilliant players I reckon. For a striker in that category, you're looking at £40 million plus, unless we could entice someone like Cavani near the end of his career. He could be the signing that Nilis should have been. If it's between us and some nonsense team like Los Angeles Super Ducks or New York Green Pants, it might be worth, at least, enquiring.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on November 26, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
We already have good players. If we want to improve we need to be targeting insanely dead brilliant players I reckon. For a striker in that category, you're looking at £40 million plus, unless we could entice someone like Cavani near the end of his career. He could be the signing that Nilis should have been. If it's between us and some nonsense team like Los Angeles Super Ducks or New York Green Pants, it might be worth, at least, enquiring.

I mostly agree, the other option is to go for someone that is highly rated but that none of the CL clubs are ready to go for yet. I think 2-3 of our summer signings were in that group.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Newby on November 26, 2019, 07:03:45 PM
We already have good players. If we want to improve we need to be targeting insanely dead brilliant players I reckon. For a striker in that category, you're looking at £40 million plus, unless we could entice someone like Cavani near the end of his career. He could be the signing that Nilis should have been. If it's between us and some nonsense team like Los Angeles Super Ducks or New York Green Pants, it might be worth, at least, enquiring.

Remember our mantra though, buy young, sell later for billions. Cavani doesn't fit that bill. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 26, 2019, 07:10:46 PM
Iíd prefer the Dembele model because it is more sustainable however Zlatan fits the bill for an ageing mega-signing.  Not sure whether his contract has expired or if he is available on a Keane loan deal from LA Galaxy.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on November 26, 2019, 07:11:07 PM
Assume itís been covered extensively above but Iíd have Mitrivoc in a blink, even if I do hate him,
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT Villan on November 26, 2019, 08:00:14 PM
Well let's get Gareth Bale in on a loan to buy then, sorted !
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 26, 2019, 08:46:26 PM
I wouldn't mind that... 😀
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 26, 2019, 08:51:06 PM
2 names mentioned today by the same guy who told me we were looking at the aguero style striker towards the end of the window.

Dembele from Lyon

Morales from Rangers

He said he would be amazed if we didnt sign one or the other but aparently barring injuries we are only looking at strikers in january. Even if we sell sjm to Man United we wont be breaking the bank to replace him either.

I cant help think back to when city and Chelsea became rich and they went through the patch of signing footballing mercenaries before their league position started to attract better players and I think that's the more likely route we will be going down this winter/next summer.

Let's just hope whoever we sign keeps us up because at the moment I'm slightly worried and smith worries me a little too but I am seeing improvements in his management style

Who was the Aguero style striker being tracked out of interest or were no names mentioned?

Dembele has been tracked by Man. United and Spurs apparently so that would be a very ambitious signing, not quite sure one we can pull off just yet so the Rangers guy seems more likely. Have my reservations tbh but at least he's scored a few in the europa league for them this season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on November 26, 2019, 08:52:47 PM
Assume itís been covered extensively above but Iíd have Mitrivoc in a blink, even if I do hate him,
However he, once again, didn't do well in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 26, 2019, 08:56:55 PM
If we're going down the young striker route I'd like Connelly from Brighton.

Really liked the way he scored v Spurs a few weeks back and he has a young Vardy vibe about him I reckon.

Get him, a been there experienced striker, sell Kodj and loan Davis out and that's then a balanced strikerforce with Wes continuing to have his ups and downs from the subs bench.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 26, 2019, 09:04:48 PM
I quite like Davis, but not sure how many goals he'd get.

Let's get Benteke.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 26, 2019, 09:44:00 PM
Not sure about Benteke, but feel he would suit our style. I'd be willing to try him on loan to see if the magic comes back. Not sure Palace would be up for that if there's still a realistic chance that they could go down come January.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on November 26, 2019, 09:51:00 PM
Let's stop fucking about and  get Lewandowski.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 26, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
Not sure about Benteke, but feel he would suit our style. I'd be willing to try him on loan to see if the magic comes back. Not sure Palace would be up for that if there's still a realistic chance that they could go down come January.

I can't see Palace being in any danger of going down at any point in the season. I can see them having a problem subsidising Benteke's wages to potentially help us stay up. The word 'potentially' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in my previous sentence.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 26, 2019, 11:08:51 PM
Wesley and Benteke would give us some forward power and presence. But if Palace were prepared to let Benteke come to us it doesn't say much about what they think of him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 26, 2019, 11:24:45 PM
I think people have to get idea of which premier league strikers villa could realistically sign at this time !
Wickham than Benteke
Murray than Giroud

Anyone else from premier league we either paying big big money £25-£30 mil or are young loan players.
 
So for me the following players from premier league who have played little minutes if any and realistic are
 
Glenn Murray Brighton
Kelechi Iheanacho of Leicester City
Matej Vydra Burnley
Dwight Gayle
Conor  Wickham Palace (no way !)

So I would think the striker comes from outside of premier league. Unless we take a punt on work shy Kelechi Iheanacho.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 26, 2019, 11:28:59 PM
I really hope you're not part of our scouting set up. Connor Wickham? Yikes, egad and zounds! 😧😧😧
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 26, 2019, 11:30:57 PM
I really hope you're not part of our scouting set up. Connor Wickham? Yikes, egad and zounds! 😧😧😧

No I don't want him in the slightest !! But I sure he'll be offered out or if villa enquiries about benteke or even ayew they wouldn't get anything other than this useless player
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 26, 2019, 11:35:31 PM
Phew!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 26, 2019, 11:41:26 PM
Now what could be interesting is a move for one of the promising players from the Dutch top league.
It's called the Dutch eridivise.

Expecting some premier clubs to be linked including ourselves to centre forward

20 year old Donyell Malen PSV Eindhoven who is top scorer in league

Myron Boadu is 18.
13 games 9 goals
 
24 year old Belgian Nigerian Cyriel  Dessers 14 games 9 goals

And Greek forward Vangelis Pavlidis 13 games 8 goals.

Quincy promes of Ajax is a good player but be a big take to get him.
Can play wide forward and Dutch international he's joint leader scorer and one many would have heard of and seen play for Ajax or Holland.


 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on November 26, 2019, 11:42:51 PM
Jermaine Defoe is still banging them in for Rangers. What about a double swoop for him and our old boy Scott Sinclair who seems to have fallen by the wayside again?

Seriously though, there must be a La Liga chap ripping it up this season on Ä10k a week that we could nab.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2019, 11:46:30 PM
Now what could be interesting is a move for one of the promising players from the Dutch top league.
It's called the Dutch eridivise.

How patronising.  That means to treat in a way that is apparently kind or helpful but that betrays a feeling of superiority.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 26, 2019, 11:48:15 PM
I've promised myself Cavani and someone else virtually guaranteed* Dembele so I'll be disappointed with anything less than us signing both and finishing the season as Premier League top scorers.




*vaguely suggested that we might make an unlikely bid which would have a very limited chance of success.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 26, 2019, 11:54:18 PM
I quite like Davis, but not sure how many goals he'd get.

Let's get Benteke.

Benteke's stats are woeful. He has scored four league goals since August 2017. Not like he's had any bad injuries in that spell like he did for us either.

He's lost his desire imo, just happy living in London earning good money and knowing his career is going nowhere. I'd stay well clear and just remember the good times when he was here.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 26, 2019, 11:57:54 PM
Jermaine Defoe is still banging them in for Rangers. What about a double swoop for him and our old boy Scott Sinclair who seems to have fallen by the wayside again?

Seriously though, there must be a La Liga chap ripping it up this season on Ä10k a week that we could nab.

The track record of Sporting Director Suso on GK and striker hasn't been so good but let's hope he has some spainish or south american attacker lined up !
Will have to research !
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2019, 12:06:51 AM
I quite like Davis, but not sure how many goals he'd get.

Let's get Benteke.

Benteke's stats are woeful. He has scored four league goals since August 2017. Not like he's had any bad injuries in that spell like he did for us either.

He's lost his desire imo, just happy living in London earning good money and knowing his career is going nowhere. I'd stay well clear and just remember the good times when he was here.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 27, 2019, 12:12:50 AM
I quite like Davis, but not sure how many goals he'd get.

Let's get Benteke.

Benteke's stats are woeful. He has scored four league goals since August 2017. Not like he's had any bad injuries in that spell like he did for us either.

He's lost his desire imo, just happy living in London earning good money and knowing his career is going nowhere. I'd stay well clear and just remember the good times when he was here.

Agreed.
Same here.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on November 27, 2019, 09:48:49 PM
2 more goals for Bowen tonight I see, time to snap him up
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 27, 2019, 11:24:17 PM
2 more goals for Bowen tonight I see, time to snap him up

Recently followed Villa on instagram.

His dad is a Villa fan.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on November 27, 2019, 11:37:25 PM
Bowen is playing out of his skin. I can't believe him and Lolley are still in Serie B. There's Villa blood in both and they're ready for the Prem, let's do it.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 27, 2019, 11:55:51 PM
I quite like Davis, but not sure how many goals he'd get.

Let's get Benteke.

Benteke's stats are woeful. He has scored four league goals since August 2017. Not like he's had any bad injuries in that spell like he did for us either.

He's lost his desire imo, just happy living in London earning good money and knowing his career is going nowhere. I'd stay well clear and just remember the good times when he was here.

Suppose there is the romantic notion that he would come back, the old chant would go up around the Holte and he would revert back to player he was when he was with us.  He's looked like a bit of a busted flush for a while now though. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 28, 2019, 02:30:51 AM
Complete works of Disney thinking Benteke is being re signed.

More chance of signing Darren Bent and Nathan Ake.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on November 28, 2019, 03:42:02 AM
Complete works of Disney thinking Benteke is being re signed.

More chance of signing Darren Bent and Nathan Ake.

Disney? Can you not Let It Go?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Demitri_C on November 28, 2019, 07:22:58 AM
We won't be spending big from what seems to have been written in the media. I think one or two tops.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on November 28, 2019, 09:12:53 AM
The consensus is that we probably need to upgrade the wide/attacking players.

Though with the emergence of Konsa as an assured player (comfortable in possession) and assuming Chester makes a return, I wonder whether we might play three at the back and push Guilbert and Targett further forward.

If the present wide/attacking players demonstrated they could be more disciplined defensively then they would also be in contention for being Wing-backs.

It also, arguably, gives a better option to accommodate Grealish, SJM, Douglas Luiz and Nakamba in a way that gets one or more of them closer to Wesley.

A proven goalscorer is always a good addition, but switching to the above might make it less of a priority for January - which often is a tough market offering poor value. UTV
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 28, 2019, 09:17:51 AM
We won't be spending big from what seems to have been written in the media. I think one or two tops.

In a way that's actually pretty big for January, it's so difficult to buy then.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 28, 2019, 09:21:32 AM
The consensus is that we probably need to upgrade the wide/attacking players.

Though with the emergence of Konsa as an assured player (comfortable in possession) and assuming Chester makes a return, I wonder whether we might play three at the back and push Guilbert and Targett further forward.

If the present wide/attacking players demonstrated they could be more disciplined defensively then they would also be in contention for being Wing-backs.

It also, arguably, gives a better option to accommodate Grealish, SJM, Douglas Luiz and Nakamba in a way that gets one or more of them closer to Wesley.

A proven goalscorer is always a good addition, but switching to the above might make it less of a priority for January - which often is a tough market offering poor value. UTV

Please no. Hate five at the back. It minimises your attacking threat and the extra centre-halves just get in each other's way and increase the chance of playing the opposition onside.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 28, 2019, 10:00:51 AM
I quite like Davis, but not sure how many goals he'd get.

Let's get Benteke.

Benteke's stats are woeful. He has scored four league goals since August 2017. Not like he's had any bad injuries in that spell like he did for us either.

He's lost his desire imo, just happy living in London earning good money and knowing his career is going nowhere. I'd stay well clear and just remember the good times when he was here.

Loan move might be worth a shot. His best form may be years ago but John Carew's career was in a similar tailspin when he came to us from Lyon. Clearly low on confidence but thought he looked decent in a game v City I think recently. Bullet header that the keeper somehow saved.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TaxDodger on November 28, 2019, 10:21:00 AM
I'd take Benteke back on loan in a second. He signed a new contract with Palace in the Summer so they'd probably want silly money for him permanently, but may be open to a loan deal. At worst he'd be a decent option to bring in for Wes if he's struggling/needs a break.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on November 28, 2019, 10:45:52 AM
I'd take Benteke back on loan in a second. He signed a new contract with Palace in the Summer so they'd probably want silly money for him permanently, but may be open to a loan deal. At worst he'd be a decent option to bring in for Wes if he's struggling/needs a break.

If we could get the version of Benteke that we had back in 2013-2015 then yes I'd take him back. However I think his best days are behind him so on that basis I'd leave him where he is. The old Aston Villa would have gambled on him; the new Aston Villa under Purslow, Smith and Pitarch won't touch him with a bargepole (hopefully).
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cannock villa on November 28, 2019, 12:24:19 PM
If we signed Benteke it would show we have not learned anything from the days of signing overpaid has beens,  ala Mica Richards. Too many on here have rose tinted specs if they think that this is the same player from 2013 - 2015.
Young and hungry is the way, not old and on easy street.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Demitri_C on November 28, 2019, 12:38:38 PM
I seen tekkers recently and I have to say he looks a shadow of the player we signed. Leaving us for Liverpool was a massive mistake by him and has ruins this career
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on November 28, 2019, 12:44:30 PM
He's hardly old, (he turns 29 next week) and he has looked sharper recently - really good work for Palace's equaliser against Liverpool last week but there is a market out there with lots more options so I'd have him lower down on a list.
I'm surprised he signed a contract extension in the summer, maybe Palace wanted to give him every chance to shine after being injured for much of last season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: NeilH on November 28, 2019, 01:03:44 PM
Quincy Promes of Ajax is a good player but be a big take to get him.
Can play wide forward and Dutch international he's joint leader scorer and one many would have heard of and seen play for Ajax or Holland.

Given that Ajax are pis*ing the Eredivisie this season, still in the Champions League and hot on the heels of a Chumps League semi-final, I don't think that they will be selling one of their latest crown jewels to us any time soon.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 28, 2019, 01:07:54 PM
If we signed Benteke it would show we have not learned anything from the days of signing overpaid has beens,  ala Mica Richards. Too many on here have rose tinted specs if they think that this is the same player from 2013 - 2015.
Young and hungry is the way, not old and on easy street.

Using Micah Richards to decide that all older players will be rubbish is as daft as it would be if I said the signing of Paul McGrath meant that all older players would be brilliant.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 28, 2019, 02:06:18 PM
Complete works of Disney thinking Benteke is being re signed.

More chance of signing Darren Bent and Nathan Ake.

Disney? Can you not Let It Go?

Just find the Benteke talk a bit of a toy story
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 28, 2019, 02:11:13 PM
Benteke did have an affinity with us though so it wouldn't be a typical signing of a has been. That said, he really is a has been, he's been shit for such a long time i'd be very doubtful of his having any kind of useful impact.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2019, 03:06:41 PM
We won't be spending big from what seems to have been written in the media. I think one or two tops.

I think that's all we need for the remainder of this season really for where we realistically are looking to be.  I think there are other areas that could do with a bit of strengthening going forward, but I think a quality striker and possibly a wide player would strengthen and would see us secure our place in the division.   

I think all the signings in the summer were made with a longer term vision in mind and I think we should continue that approach in January.  If we do make a loan signing, it should be a loan-to-buy option.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 28, 2019, 03:08:46 PM
So much of an affinity that he was dying to leave as soon as his stock rose. He was good. Heís now a shadow of the player that once was. If he was motivated heíd probably be doing it for Palace. Iím not entirely convinced that a change a of scenery back to a place where he had success now many years ago suddenly makes him a difference player to what he is today.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on November 28, 2019, 04:05:43 PM
The consensus is that we probably need to upgrade the wide/attacking players.

Though with the emergence of Konsa as an assured player (comfortable in possession) and assuming Chester makes a return, I wonder whether we might play three at the back and push Guilbert and Targett further forward.

If the present wide/attacking players demonstrated they could be more disciplined defensively then they would also be in contention for being Wing-backs.

It also, arguably, gives a better option to accommodate Grealish, SJM, Douglas Luiz and Nakamba in a way that gets one or more of them closer to Wesley.

A proven goalscorer is always a good addition, but switching to the above might make it less of a priority for January - which often is a tough market offering poor value. UTV

Please no. Hate five at the back. It minimises your attacking threat and the extra centre-halves just get in each other's way and increase the chance of playing the opposition onside.
Disagree CD, if you have good wingbacks and disciplined, mobile CB.
I'd be in favour of trying it, given that we have the CB and the WB to make it work.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 28, 2019, 04:07:41 PM
Nah. I hate it. Defenders are boring. I don't want an extra one taking up a place that could be used by a dead exciting player.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on November 28, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
The consensus is that we probably need to upgrade the wide/attacking players.

Though with the emergence of Konsa as an assured player (comfortable in possession) and assuming Chester makes a return, I wonder whether we might play three at the back and push Guilbert and Targett further forward.

If the present wide/attacking players demonstrated they could be more disciplined defensively then they would also be in contention for being Wing-backs.

It also, arguably, gives a better option to accommodate Grealish, SJM, Douglas Luiz and Nakamba in a way that gets one or more of them closer to Wesley.

A proven goalscorer is always a good addition, but switching to the above might make it less of a priority for January - which often is a tough market offering poor value. UTV

Please no. Hate five at the back. It minimises your attacking threat and the extra centre-halves just get in each other's way and increase the chance of playing the opposition onside.
Disagree CD, if you have good wingbacks and disciplined, mobile CB.
I'd be in favour of trying it, given that we have the CB and the WB to make it work.

Agreed. It can shift the whole team further up the pitch and provides the angles and options to move the ball quickly into front players with supporting players closer to them. Particularly if you have defenders bringing the ball out. Do that in a four and (typically) a midfield player drops in so a potential overload is not created.

I'm not sold on it as a system in every circumstance and with every group of players - but I think it is a decent option given our current squad and what they offer. UTV.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on November 28, 2019, 05:38:48 PM
Nah. I hate it. Defenders are boring. I don't want an extra one taking up a place that could be used by a dead exciting player.

Guilbert and Targett given license to maraud forward (even more than now) and one of Mings, Engels or Konsa bringing the ball out to initiate an attack - I don't think that is boring, but fair enough if that is your view.

An attacking coach, like Smith, would (could) genuinely make it a three with wide players pushed on. Defensively minded coaches, do set it up as five defenders.

The telltale is the midfield - if that is a four strung across the pitch then there is not the space for the wide players (Wing-backs) to go past them. UTV
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on November 28, 2019, 07:39:28 PM
The consensus is that we probably need to upgrade the wide/attacking players.

Though with the emergence of Konsa as an assured player (comfortable in possession) and assuming Chester makes a return, I wonder whether we might play three at the back and push Guilbert and Targett further forward.

If the present wide/attacking players demonstrated they could be more disciplined defensively then they would also be in contention for being Wing-backs.

It also, arguably, gives a better option to accommodate Grealish, SJM, Douglas Luiz and Nakamba in a way that gets one or more of them closer to Wesley.

A proven goalscorer is always a good addition, but switching to the above might make it less of a priority for January - which often is a tough market offering poor value. UTV

Please no. Hate five at the back. It minimises your attacking threat and the extra centre-halves just get in each other's way and increase the chance of playing the opposition onside.
Disagree CD, if you have good wingbacks and disciplined, mobile CB.
I'd be in favour of trying it, given that we have the CB and the WB to make it work.

Agreed. It can shift the whole team further up the pitch and provides the angles and options to move the ball quickly into front players with supporting players closer to them. Particularly if you have defenders bringing the ball out. Do that in a four and (typically) a midfield player drops in so a potential overload is not created.

I'm not sold on it as a system in every circumstance and with every group of players - but I think it is a decent option given our current squad and what they offer. UTV.

I prefer to call it 3 5 2 rather than 5 3 2
With Konsa, Mings and Engles we have three CB's who are comfortable with the ball at their feet. With Gillbert and Target we have two very good attacking Wing Backs.
 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 28, 2019, 08:10:58 PM
Quote
Aston Villa have been lining up a January swoop for Galatasaray defender Christian Luyindama, according to reports in Turkey.

But a potential move has gone out of the window after the centre-back suffered a serious injury on international duty which could rule him out for the rest of the season.

According to Turkish publication Sabah (via Sport Witness),Villa were exploring a Ä14m (£12m) push for Luyindama when the window re-opens having first been linked in the summer.

But the 25-year-old tore a cruciate ligament playing for DR Congo against the Gambia in an Africa Cup of Nations qualifier.

Galatasary confirmed Luyindama requires surgery and they are reportedly furious that any chance of doing a deal has now collapsed.

Luyindama returned to the Super Lig side on a permanent basis from Belgian side Standard Liege after representing his country at the Africa Cup of Nationals finals in Egypt this summer - a place where Villa boss Dean Smith and sporting director Suso were understood to have been in attendance.

He has made 15 appearances in all competitions this season and has recently been linked with Wolverhampton Wanderers and West Ham United.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 28, 2019, 08:18:46 PM
Quote
Aston Villa have been lining up a January swoop for Galatasaray defender Christian Luyindama, according to reports in Turkey.

But a potential move has gone out of the window after the centre-back suffered a serious injury on international duty which could rule him out for the rest of the season.

According to Turkish publication Sabah (via Sport Witness),Villa were exploring a Ä14m (£12m) push for Luyindama when the window re-opens having first been linked in the summer.

But the 25-year-old tore a cruciate ligament playing for DR Congo against the Gambia in an Africa Cup of Nations qualifier.

Galatasary confirmed Luyindama requires surgery and they are reportedly furious that any chance of doing a deal has now collapsed.

Luyindama returned to the Super Lig side on a permanent basis from Belgian side Standard Liege after representing his country at the Africa Cup of Nationals finals in Egypt this summer - a place where Villa boss Dean Smith and sporting director Suso were understood to have been in attendance.

He has made 15 appearances in all competitions this season and has recently been linked with Wolverhampton Wanderers and West Ham United.

We can't possibly want a centre-back?!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on November 28, 2019, 08:22:31 PM
Two players for me, one from each line in order of preference:

Bowen/Benhrama/Gray/Albrighton/Lolley

Giroud/Morelos/Benteke/Ihenacho

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 28, 2019, 08:26:19 PM
I can't see why we would want another centre-half.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on November 28, 2019, 08:30:25 PM
Two players for me, one from each line in order of preference:

Bowen/Benhrama/Gray/Albrighton/Lolley

Giroud/Morelos/Benteke/Ihenacho

Agreed, with some reordering and the removal of benteke.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 28, 2019, 09:04:37 PM
None of those signings scream "megastar". Boring.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on November 28, 2019, 09:11:42 PM
I think (for me) Bowen and Morelos would fill two gaping holes in the team and allow several other players to be where they should be.

Weíre Not struggling, we're almost a decent top half pl team. Just need a couple of key additions of the right quality.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on November 28, 2019, 10:15:27 PM
I can't make up my mind who I'd prefer out of Bowen or Benhrama so I'd like them both.

Naturally, I'd like Morelos as well but I can't see us prising him away in January.

Much as I'd like another striker, I think it would be extremely difficult to get the right one in January.  Therefore, I'd like the above 2 wide players.  Not my £40 million so I don't care.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on November 28, 2019, 10:35:43 PM
I can't make up my mind who I'd prefer out of Bowen or Benhrama so I'd like them both.

Naturally, I'd like Morelos as well but I can't see us prising him away in January.

Much as I'd like another striker, I think it would be extremely difficult to get the right one in January.  Therefore, I'd like the above 2 wide players.  Not my £40 million so I don't care.
Yes to all 3 of them. Morelos scored another 2 tonight and has shown he can score freely in Europe as well
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on November 28, 2019, 10:45:08 PM
Iíd love Morelos, be fairly happy with giroud.

If we donít get a better striker than Wes in January weíre absolutely mental.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard on November 28, 2019, 11:16:51 PM
Morelos is only 23 ! He looks a lot older. Sign him up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 29, 2019, 12:50:25 AM
Two players for me, one from each line in order of preference:

Bowen/Benhrama/Gray/Albrighton/Lolley

Giroud/Morelos/Benteke/Ihenacho

Think Albrighton would be a good signing, but can't quite believe he is 30 now!!  Would probably look at someone like Bowen instead who is only 22.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on November 29, 2019, 08:14:26 AM
Wouldn't go near Giroud myself.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: allo87 on November 29, 2019, 09:15:23 AM
There is almost no chance that Norwich would let one of their best players join a relegation rival in the January transfer window. It would be suicidal and non <snippity-snip>
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mouse Potato on November 29, 2019, 09:16:19 AM
Winter transfer thread perhaps?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on November 29, 2019, 09:36:06 AM
Locked in 3.... 2.... 1....
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: not3bad on November 29, 2019, 09:39:07 AM
In before the lock
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 29, 2019, 09:54:42 AM
Na, he wouldn't get a game ahead of Dembele and Cavani so would be a pointless signing.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on November 29, 2019, 10:42:02 AM
That truly would be madness for Norwich. I'd have liked us to sign Benhrama in the summer but surely he's too similar to Trez / AEG / Jota? Perhaps play him a bit higher up just behind Wes and sacrifice width? Play 2 DMs and SJM and SJG behind. Almost a 4-4-2 but not quite as Dean would never go for it.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on November 29, 2019, 10:53:53 AM
Random link to Christoph Monschein (striker) - has been scoring goals in Austria - but hardly the standard of the Preeemiership.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 29, 2019, 11:43:04 AM
Random link to Christoph Monschein (striker) - has been scoring goals in Austria - but hardly the standard of the Preeemiership.
.hasn't stopped villa !
Its the policy
Get in potential assets so they can be sold on

Unfortunately the links to experienced players like a Gliroud and one with villa connections like Super Marc Albrighton and Benteke are unlikely under this sporting director and CEO.

The championship talent won't be purchased either unless it's considered a good deal on finance.
Otherwise we look elsewhere.
Maupay and Webster prices villa didn't want to outlay 20mil plus on championship players

Similar if players from lower leagues are being quoted at rates where board don't think value then they won't go in for them.

With susos continental and overseas know how it's more likely something like this striker from Austria mention than anything recognised.

Now the initial success of transfer policy will be proven provided villa stay up .

I prefer a bit more fushion and input on Dean Smith type of signings as I can only say Wesley would not have been a total signing by Dean Smith as he lacks all the ingredients of what Smith looks for.

Suso and Purslow imposing of players and financial value assets buying is something Smith is ok with as a coach as he can work like that however he can only be as good as the tools he's given.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 29, 2019, 11:46:44 AM
Furthermore I can totally see Jared Bowen moving here or somewhere in window. If it's a club other than ourselves higher up I can see the whole signed in window but loaned back to Hull.
With where we are it would be an outright purchase in winter window
The price will be ok in as much as he's out of contract in summer.
I think Bowen is a very feasible move and hopefully very likely.
Think he could make the grade and Smith would love to work and develop him. A defined Smith player
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on November 29, 2019, 12:05:40 PM
Random link to Christoph Monschein (striker) - has been scoring goals in Austria - but hardly the standard of the Preeemiership.
.hasn't stopped villa !
Its the policy
Get in potential assets so they can be sold on

Unfortunately the links to experienced players like a Gliroud and one with villa connections like Super Marc Albrighton and Benteke are unlikely under this sporting director and CEO.

The championship talent won't be purchased either unless it's considered a good deal on finance.
Otherwise we look elsewhere.
Maupay and Webster prices villa didn't want to outlay 20mil plus on championship players

Similar if players from lower leagues are being quoted at rates where board don't think value then they won't go in for them.

With susos continental and overseas know how it's more likely something like this striker from Austria mention than anything recognised.

Now the initial success of transfer policy will be proven provided villa stay up .

I prefer a bit more fushion and input on Dean Smith type of signings as I can only say Wesley would not have been a total signing by Dean Smith as he lacks all the ingredients of what Smith looks for.

Suso and Purslow imposing of players and financial value assets buying is something Smith is ok with as a coach as he can work like that however he can only be as good as the tools he's given.

Only you would suggest we bring in a striker who's scored a sum total of 5 goals in his last 44 league appearances after complaining constantly about a striker who's scored 4 in 13 for us.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Bryan on November 29, 2019, 12:05:46 PM
I donít post much, but I live in Vienna and have seen this guy play. No where near the required standard to make an impact in this league. Iíd pitch the Austrian League (with the sole exception of RB Salzburg) at League 1 level. And the pace of the game in the PL would be far too much for him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on November 29, 2019, 01:28:03 PM
Thanks Bryan - I'll file under B for that one then. He must be bad if there isn't even a youtube highlights vid out yet. I wouldn't be adverse to us going for Bowen - live wire and would niggle defenders. edit - the toon are after him - get him to weaken them!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on November 29, 2019, 01:42:29 PM
Benteke did have an affinity with us though so it wouldn't be a typical signing of a has been. That said, he really is a has been, he's been shit for such a long time i'd be very doubtful of his having any kind of useful impact.

It would be like Newcastle signing Carroll.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on November 29, 2019, 01:45:36 PM
We don't need a traditional centre forward. We need someone pacy and different who creates chances.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 29, 2019, 03:51:34 PM
I don't think pacey is necessarily a prerequisite. If we could find someone who plays like Sheringham or Bergkamp I could live with that...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 29, 2019, 04:37:23 PM
I don't think pacey is necessarily a prerequisite. If we could find someone who plays like Sheringham or Bergkamp I could live with that...

Roberto Firmino best striker in league .
These sort of strikers are invaluable
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 29, 2019, 04:45:18 PM
I don't think pacey is necessarily a prerequisite. If we could find someone who plays like Sheringham or Bergkamp I could live with that...

Roberto Firmino best striker in league .
These sort of strikers are invaluable
Harry Kane says hi
And if we are talking strikers as opposed to false 9 or whatever Jamie Vardy is a striker.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TonyD on November 29, 2019, 04:59:32 PM
Maddison is good mates with Jack apparently.    That would be nice.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on November 29, 2019, 06:35:40 PM
Benteke did have an affinity with us though so it wouldn't be a typical signing of a has been. That said, he really is a has been, he's been shit for such a long time i'd be very doubtful of his having any kind of useful impact.

It would be like Newcastle signing Carroll.

itís a good point

I absolutely loved Benteke and always thought he would return one day
but you know what we have moved on and have a totally new take on things which probably doesnít include old ex strikers no matter how good they were

he was good though while it lasted
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on November 29, 2019, 09:38:20 PM
He was good with different players, different coaches and a different manager. He's bit replicated it since, why would that change?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2019, 12:17:11 AM
Maddison is good mates with Jack apparently.    That would be nice.

Probably the negativity in me but I see it the other way! Leicester get CL and while I don't believe Jack would go there they could well come in for McGinn given Rodgers really wanted him at Celtic.

We are progressing nicely, however there could come a point where a few of our players progress what we're capable of a team e.g. they're top 4 standard and we're only 9th or 10th as we saw when Young, Milner and perhaps Downing all outgrew us and our quality then rapidly dropped.

That's why to me we show more ambition in next summer transfer market and go after key players from rivals clubs and abroad who've played at the top level as ultimately that's how we will continue to progress up the league.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 30, 2019, 09:36:24 AM
Maddison? Yeah, thatís going to happen.

Talking about a Bergkamp or Sheringham, as I keep saying I think thatís what Grealish should be doing. Heíll never be a Bergkamp but if he keeps playing like he did the other night he could be a Sheringham fairly soon. Heís certainly well equipped to play that role.

Apart from another centre forward option to compete with Wes, we need proper pace out wide, a player that can really skin the full back, what Iíd give for a modern day TonyD in fact.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on November 30, 2019, 10:34:43 AM
It would be like Newcastle signing Carroll.
No not even remotely close.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on November 30, 2019, 11:52:49 AM
The way both Dean Smith and I and some others here have seen it is villa front 3 to be of Liverpool style.
And shades of man city.
Grealish mentioned that he was to be like one of the Liverpool forwards playing and Smith has mentioned about this style of attacking trio.
Wide forwards and a firmino or aguero type striker. At the moment it's budget version centrally however Smith can either develop or upgrade that part as sees fit.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on November 30, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
The way both Dean Smith and I and some others here have seen it is villa front 3 to be of Liverpool style.
And shades of man city.
Grealish mentioned that he was to be like one of the Liverpool forwards playing and Smith has mentioned about this style of attacking trio.
Wide forwards and a firmino or aguero type striker. At the moment it's budget version centrally however Smith can either develop or upgrade that part as sees fit.



Christ almighty, is there no end to your tedious bollocks? 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 30, 2019, 08:01:27 PM
A big NO  to Benteke ..........he was like a breathe of fresh air first time round however I get the impression that he, like others have chased the £ and are no longer arsed in putting in a shift to earn that mega £ :(
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 01, 2019, 08:48:08 AM
He was the full package for ability but lacked the drive once he hit the money pot, we had him when he was still motivated.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2019, 12:16:32 PM
Benteke still often plays well, doing all the stuff link up wise, winning headers etc he used to do for us. What he can't do is buy a goal. The only time he's played consistently badly was last season when he came back from injury and his confidence ended up shot.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 01, 2019, 01:09:51 PM
I donít think Benteke has recovered from the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' experience.
Not sure he suits Palace either, we had no choice but to build our attack/ team around him.
We are not going to make that gamble on a bloke that looks disinterested.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on December 01, 2019, 01:25:55 PM
I think if we sell Kodjia then we'll be sure to get someone in - I'd like to see direct competition for Wesley. Talk of Brewster from Liverpool - bit raw for me, however Palace are the other party interested apparently - Benteke back to us in a 3 way deal? I actually don't think he'd be any better that Wesley so it's a no from me. His best years are long gone and that's a shame as he could be great - he'd get a lot more chances with us now that he used to.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 01, 2019, 08:15:00 PM
Benteke always seemed to take 4-5 games to get match fit following an injury and probably closer to ten games before he became the beast we know he can be/was. 

Iím not sure heís had that run of games very often at either Liverpool or Palace.  Therefore Iím not sure itís a lack of desire on his part, it could just be bad luck (or he was lucky to be at Villa where we afforded him that time).
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2019, 08:19:55 PM
Would look at Leon Bailey from Leverkusen.

Only 22 and he fits well into 4-3-3 and counter attacking football.

Was being hyped lots 18 months back but stagnated a little.

Scored twice away to Bayern Munich yesterday and also has champions league experience. Ultimately Leverkusen model is to find great prospects and eventually sell them on.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 01, 2019, 08:23:26 PM
He went off injured v Bayern but looked decent whilst playing.  The fact I have heard of him suggests that bigger fish will be circling I think.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 01, 2019, 08:54:07 PM
We'd have to break our transfer record to get Bailly.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 01, 2019, 09:07:21 PM
We'd have to break our transfer record to get Bailly.
I would hope that we'll be breaking our transfer record multiple times over the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 01, 2019, 09:22:03 PM
We'd have to break our transfer record to get Bailly.
I would hope that we'll be breaking our transfer record multiple times over the next few seasons.

Yep. That we spent £20m or so on Wesley is nothing in todayís market. Those are squad players at the top end of the table. We will need to be operating at the £30m+ range for starting players, so enjoy watching the likes of AEG, Trez, Targett let alone Lansbury, Conor, Elmo, Kodjia etc while they are with us. Itís going to cruel but necessary as we push those players out in the next season or two
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on December 01, 2019, 10:33:13 PM
We'd have to break our transfer record to get Bailly.
I would hope that we'll be breaking our transfer record multiple times over the next few seasons.

Yep. That we spent £20m or so on Wesley is nothing in todayís market. Those are squad players at the top end of the table. We will need to be operating at the £30m+ range for starting players, so enjoy watching the likes of AEG, Trez, Targett let alone Lansbury, Conor, Elmo, Kodjia etc while they are with us. Itís going to cruel but necessary as we push those players out in the next season or two

The first group will be with us for a while I suspect because they'll shift to being squad cover. I think Conor might be around for a few more years as well because he does have a knack of scoring important goals. The other 3 will be gone by the start of next season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on December 01, 2019, 11:24:45 PM
Benteke is only 28, but still think that's too old for a Dean Smith signing. He may be in our price range however, if he did become available.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 01, 2019, 11:39:08 PM
Benteke's scored 4 goals in two and a half seasons.  If it weren't for the fact that he did really well for us 5 years ago the suggestion would be hilarious.  In fact it is hilarious: whatever he had when he was here, he hasn't got it anymore.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 02, 2019, 12:33:55 AM
I'm not in the Benteke pining camp but I'd sooner have him on the bench instead of Kodjia or Davis. I didn't see his cameo performance against Burnley but I watched the Belgium/'The Mighty Reds YNWA' games in full and honestly, he was impressive.

A loan until the end of the season wouldn't be the end of the world.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 02, 2019, 08:37:21 AM
Why on earth would Palace loan him to us?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: papa lazarou on December 02, 2019, 08:51:32 AM
Benteke's scored 4 goals in two and a half seasons.  If it weren't for the fact that he did really well for us 5 years ago the suggestion would be hilarious.  In fact it is hilarious: whatever he had when he was here, he hasn't got it anymore.
......is the only logical conclusion.
I can't imagine that our management would even consider wanting him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on December 02, 2019, 09:54:38 AM
Benteke is only 28, but still think that's too old for a Dean Smith signing. He may be in our price range however, if he did become available.

Or may be a loan deal in January. Not ideal but it's less of a gamble than a permanent deal on big wages. I still think Davis could be good in the short term but he does seem to get a few injuries.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Keeno on December 02, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
Guys, whatever the question facing us in January is:


The 28 year old, 2019 version of Benteke is not the answer. We can do better.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 02, 2019, 11:12:26 AM
Ollie Watkins has big fans on here doesn't he? Played left of a three against us last season but seems to be down the middle this year. Capable of stepping up?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Luke8 on December 02, 2019, 11:16:36 AM
I canít see us pursuing any loans deals. Only possibly exception would be if we have an agreed option to purchase the player as part of the deal.

Purslow stated at the end of last season that loans make no sense from a business point of view and I donít think Brentford loaned a single player in the last couple of seasons that Dean Smith was there. Seems to be a common belief that loans are not the way forward.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on December 02, 2019, 11:24:24 AM
See the increase in Ming's value as the reason to not loan players!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on December 02, 2019, 11:52:24 AM
Personally, I feel that if we can put a bit of daylight between ourselves and the bottom 3, we will likely see a quiet January window.  Signings are more likely to happen if we are involved in a relegation battle.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 02, 2019, 12:00:49 PM
See the increase in Ming's value as the reason to not loan players!


Loans got us promoted.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Comrade Blitz on December 02, 2019, 12:11:14 PM
Guys, whatever the question facing us in January is:


The 28 year old, 2019 version of Benteke is not the answer. We can do better.

Hallelujah!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: papa lazarou on December 02, 2019, 03:37:38 PM
If our owners and management team have any intentions of making this club one of the modern day greats then I doubt if there would be any interest in any of the aforementioned championship players, (could do a job, might be able to step up, worth a punt, etc.etc.)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: walsall villain on December 02, 2019, 03:45:51 PM
Benteke is only 28, but still think that's too old for a Dean Smith signing. He may be in our price range however, if he did become available.

Or may be a loan deal in January. Not ideal but it's less of a gamble than a permanent deal on big wages. I still think Davis could be good in the short term but he does seem to get a few injuries.
The way the club handled transfers this summer was consistent and in line with what they said theyíd do, bring in players who can be developed and whose value can go up. They also stated that loaning players wasnít there intention in the future. So bringing back benteke on loan or permanently isnít in line with their philosophy.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 02, 2019, 03:59:41 PM
The way the club handled transfers this summer was consistent and in line with what they said theyíd do, bring in players who can be developed and whose value can go up. They also stated that loaning players wasnít there intention in the future. So bringing back benteke on loan or permanently isnít in line with their philosophy.
Quite.  And on top of everything else, none of the management team (I think) were here when Benteke was so they have no connection to him whatsoever.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on December 02, 2019, 04:16:40 PM
The way the club handled transfers this summer was consistent and in line with what they said theyíd do, bring in players who can be developed and whose value can go up. They also stated that loaning players wasnít there intention in the future. So bringing back benteke on loan or permanently isnít in line with their philosophy.
Quite.  And on top of everything else, none of the management team (I think) were here when Benteke was so they have no connection to him whatsoever.

Terry did once get the mother of all dogs abuse for getting him sent off.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: robleflaneur on December 02, 2019, 04:38:52 PM
See the increase in Ming's value as the reason to not loan players!


Loans got us promoted.
It's the reliance on loans that is the problem.
That was  Bruce's short term thinking and he wouldn't have got us promoted.Our dependance on loans left us with a promoted side that was very short of players.Derby last season  had some talented youngsters ,Mount,Tomori,Wilson ,on loan but have struggled with replacing them.
Developing your own squad offers a far more secure future.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on December 02, 2019, 06:37:48 PM
See the increase in Ming's value as the reason to not loan players!


Loans got us promoted.


! Maybe they did. But Mings cost us three times what he was worth prior to promotion.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on December 02, 2019, 06:46:08 PM
I actually think Mings is a really good example of a loan that worked for all parties. He was a risky player in terms of injuries and time out. We avoided that risk by being able to give him back if we didnít go up, but if he was good and we went up ( as was the case) we got first dibs on a PL quality player with a clear preference for us. Even if we paid PL money for him and didnít get him on the cheap itís still a decent trade off Iíd say.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 02, 2019, 06:57:51 PM
See the increase in Ming's value as the reason to not loan players!


Loans got us promoted.


! Maybe they did. But Mings cost us three times what he was worth prior to promotion.

There's no maybe about it, and the extra we paid for Mings is a fraction of what he was worth to us last season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ian J on December 02, 2019, 07:45:28 PM
See the increase in Ming's value as the reason to not loan players!


Loans got us promoted.


! Maybe they did. But Mings cost us three times what he was worth prior to promotion.

There's no maybe about it, and the extra we paid for Mings is a fraction of what he was worth to us last season.
Iíd have paid double what we ended up paying at the start of last season if Iíd knew that Mings would have helped take us from closer the foot of the table in February to winning at Wembley come May. Heís been worth every single penny and some.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 02, 2019, 08:42:09 PM
I think weíd be mad not to use the loan system more.  Like Mings, it is an opportunity to get players who would otherwise not join us.  Once here they grow an affiliation and join permanently if we want them.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: walsall villain on December 02, 2019, 08:55:04 PM
I think weíd be mad not to use the loan system more.  Like Mings, it is an opportunity to get players who would otherwise not join us.  Once here they grow an affiliation and join permanently if we want them.
Purslowís said after our play off win that Villa did not wonít to continue to rely on the loan system. The club apparently feels you are ultimately improving players who arenít yours. Iím guessing we will bring in zero loans in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Newby on December 02, 2019, 09:05:41 PM
Loan to buy is ok though as long as we insert a clause.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 02, 2019, 09:07:37 PM
Tammy wasn't a bad loan either.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 03, 2019, 12:04:34 AM
Loan to buy is ok though as long as we insert a clause.

For where we are now then I would agree.  We just needed to get out of the Championship as quickly as possible, so short-term loans that helped us do that were fine.  We are now looking to build something more sustainable and to progress, so need a longer term view when making signings. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rooboy316 on December 03, 2019, 10:51:34 AM
Loan to buy is ok though as long as we insert a clause.

Agree - the try before you buy approach can be shrewd business.  Allows us to take a couple of 'punts' with not much downside risk, but plenty of upside potential. While Mings is worth every penny we paid, an agreed figure at the start of the loan would have been a flipping bargain.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DrGonzo on December 03, 2019, 11:31:43 AM
I have just posted in the Wesley thread that if the right striker isn't available in January that I'd rather see a loan than a make do and mend purchase.  I think waiting to find the right fit is more important than just acquiring more players.  Strikers could become the new right backs.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on December 03, 2019, 12:43:21 PM
Loan to buy is ok though as long as we insert a clause.

Agree - the try before you buy approach can be shrewd business.  Allows us to take a couple of 'punts' with not much downside risk, but plenty of upside potential. While Mings is worth every penny we paid, an agreed figure at the start of the loan would have been a flipping bargain.
Yes, you just need to cast your eye over to Wolves, who have used the 'loan to buy' very effectively over the last couple of years: Boly, Jota, Jimťnez , Dendoncker and Jonny. They have all improved their side immensely.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 03, 2019, 01:07:50 PM
Loan to buy isn't always on offer.

Right now, we are threadbare at front and our PL safety is far from secure.  If we were offered a decent option on loan who would improve the team, then under our current circumstances we would be crazy not to take that up even if it's acknowledged it's not our favoured way forward.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 03, 2019, 01:24:42 PM
Whether it's a loan or a permanent we absolutely need a striker, and a good one.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 03, 2019, 01:29:18 PM
We need one that shoots. Shoots a lot. Look at the best forwards in the world and they all get shots in. I always like Defoe for that reason. Not big, but quick, instinctive, and while he might miss a few time, he scored or led to other goals being scored from rebounds. We just do not do that enough.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 03, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
I agree loans are a good thing if there is a buy option at the end of the loan we have had some brilliant loan deals Milner, Snodgrass and Mings to name but a few I know we have had some stinkers but that's what happens with loans you take a chance.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on December 03, 2019, 02:31:12 PM
I think there are 2 worthwhile types of loan for premier league clubs.

1. Young players that you have a strong chance of keeping if you choose to.
2. Experienced quality that addresses a specific gap with as close to a 'sure thing' as you can get.

I see very few options that fit the 2nd of those right now, Batshuayi is probably the only player I'd be willing to consider that might be available (and I think it's a slim chance he will be). For the former I just think anyone worth signing on loan would be unlikely to have a future fee agreed so I'd be very cautious about signing someone like Brewster who comes with no guarantees and, if he does well, becomes a problem for us next season instead of a benefit.

I'd much rather go for a permanent signing if we can but again I just don't see how we get someone good enough without doubling our transfer record, which i don't see happening in January.  It's a tough one to guess what will happen but my gut says we'll pick up someone in the £10-20m range who is another youngster who can improve.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 03, 2019, 02:48:22 PM
I see what you're saying but for me in our position right now it's as simple as this:  Would player (eg Brewster) be an asset to our squad and help us stay up?  If the answer is yes then it's worth doing, no strings attached.  It's just one (or two) loans, it won't leave us with a problem it will just help us through a period where we're thin on the ground and allow us to look again in the summer with another years PL riches secured.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 03, 2019, 02:57:05 PM
I would much rather buy than loan, but I'd much rather loan than go down through lack of good enough players in a given position.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on December 03, 2019, 03:05:09 PM
I would much rather buy than loan, but I'd much rather loan than go down through lack of good enough players in a given position.

Exactly. Weíve probably got a good enough squad to stay up, but I canít see any point in taking chances. Itís not the same as when Fistface had half a squad of loanees which left us short when they all went back.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on December 03, 2019, 04:15:56 PM
I don't disagree with that, I just don't think signing someone like Brewster (who has played 180 minutes of senior football in his career and never scored a senior goal) would be an asset or has been proven good enough. I want us to sign another striker, I just want it to be someone that is definitely going to be ahead of Davis on merit and I think a lot of the loan options we'll have don't fit that. I just can't see many strikers I'd be interested in that aren't playing and that their club would be happy to loan out rather than sell.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: phantom limb on December 03, 2019, 04:47:23 PM
I think for the first time in a long time I have enough trust in the way that our transfers are being done. Iím happy for them to just get on with it, whether itís either loans or purchases. The squad isnít perfect, but generally the players theyíve brought in have impressed me. Itís all such a contrast to previous years, like being terrified of buying Grant Holt and nobody else.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 03, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
I think for the first time in a long time I have enough trust in the way that our transfers are being done. Iím happy for them to just get on with it, whether itís either loans or purchases. The squad isnít perfect, but generally the players theyíve brought in have impressed me. Itís all such a contrast to previous years, like being terrified of buying Grant Holt and nobody else.
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What is he up to these days?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on December 03, 2019, 05:07:24 PM
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on December 03, 2019, 05:55:20 PM
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?

It needs context though, they were all signed when we had a paper thin squad, were looking set to be midtable in the championship and had no money to spend.

Now we've got good depth in almost all of the squad, plenty of money in the bank, and we're doing ok in the biggest league on the planet.

I'm not against a loan, I just don't know who we could go for that would be as close as possible to a guarantee of delivering what we need for 4-5 months. If I could see a top class striker struggling to make match day squads for a decent premier league team then great but other than there being a small chance that Chelsea would let Batshuayi or Giroud leave I can't see anyone else. That leaves a loan from abroad but that's more of a risk. If I'm missing an obvious choice then great but I really don't like the idea of someone like Brewster.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on December 03, 2019, 07:19:54 PM
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?

It needs context though, they were all signed when we had a paper thin squad, were looking set to be midtable in the championship and had no money to spend.

Now we've got good depth in almost all of the squad, plenty of money in the bank, and we're doing ok in the biggest league on the planet.

I'm not against a loan, I just don't know who we could go for that would be as close as possible to a guarantee of delivering what we need for 4-5 months. If I could see a top class striker struggling to make match day squads for a decent premier league team then great but other than there being a small chance that Chelsea would let Batshuayi or Giroud leave I can't see anyone else. That leaves a loan from abroad but that's more of a risk. If I'm missing an obvious choice then great but I really don't like the idea of someone like Brewster.

Aren't Liverpool one of those clubs that like to put penalty clauses in if you don't play their cherubs? Fuck being dictated to by them.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: IFWaters on December 03, 2019, 07:46:49 PM
David Villa in an MLS off-season loan. Could be good to wheel on for 20 minute cameos if Wesley still isnt billowing the onion bag.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 03, 2019, 07:57:06 PM
Heís not even effective anymore in MLS.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on December 03, 2019, 08:29:49 PM
Harry Wilson would probably have been a good loan signing in the summer, with the option to buy (and preferably at an agreed price). So there will always be the odd one that could be worth it. I agree with the sentiment of not developing other team's players for them but that shouldn't mean being completely closed off to loan deals.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 03, 2019, 08:52:40 PM
I see what you're saying but for me in our position right now it's as simple as this:  Would player (eg Brewster) be an asset to our squad and help us stay up?  If the answer is yes then it's worth doing, no strings attached.  It's just one (or two) loans, it won't leave us with a problem it will just help us through a period where we're thin on the ground and allow us to look again in the summer with another years PL riches secured.

Seen a bit of him in league cup and he just reminds me of Solanke who I think is still yet to score for Bournemouth. We were linked to Ben Woodburn not so long ago, he went to Sheffield United instead and they sent him back after two months. Think he's now at Oxford.

Surely we're passed the point now of getting in young players with lack of experience of playing proper games. To me to improve more over next year we need to sign an established player or two not just for club but their national team aswell.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SteveN on December 03, 2019, 09:51:24 PM
Balotelli is available on a free or loan.  Might be fun, good player when he puts his mind to it and good for team spirit....possibly.

Perhaps not.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on December 03, 2019, 09:54:33 PM
Time for bed Steven....YES RIGHT NOW.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on December 03, 2019, 09:57:00 PM
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on December 03, 2019, 10:24:20 PM
But they wouldnít be our rivals if we hadnít had those players.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on December 03, 2019, 11:20:45 PM
What is really the difference between a loan and a contracted player? Most players only stay at a clubs for a few years anyway, and for us, if do have decent player, sooner or later he will leave if one of CL clubs come in for him. At least with a loan, we can send them back after a shorter time if they are shit.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 04, 2019, 12:04:45 AM
What is really the difference between a loan and a contracted player? Most players only stay at a clubs for a few years anyway, and for us, if do have decent player, sooner or later he will leave if one of CL clubs come in for him. At least with a loan, we can send them back after a shorter time if they are shit.

It is the short term nature of loans which is the difference I suppose.  As we saw last season, they can be very beneficial if there is an immediate short term goal (ie. going up or staying up) and there is then a plan in place to build from there.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2019, 12:42:24 AM
What is really the difference between a loan and a contracted player? Most players only stay at a clubs for a few years anyway, and for us, if do have decent player, sooner or later he will leave if one of CL clubs come in for him. At least with a loan, we can send them back after a shorter time if they are shit.
How many successful ( teams that win stuff) teams rely on loan players?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on December 04, 2019, 01:05:59 AM
What is really the difference between a loan and a contracted player? Most players only stay at a clubs for a few years anyway, and for us, if do have decent player, sooner or later he will leave if one of CL clubs come in for him. At least with a loan, we can send them back after a shorter time if they are shit.
How many successful ( teams that win stuff) teams rely on loan players?


Bayern Munich - Coutinho, Perisic
PSG - Rico, Icardi
Man City - Scott Carson (not a first teamer obviously)

All have loan players in their squad. Chelsea, with all their wealth, last season had Kovacic on loan which they've now turned into a permanent. While not saying it's ideal, it would be silly to rule the possibility out completely. If a loan fits a given situation, then why not?

As an example, if Chelsea had their transfer ban overturned, bought in two big name strikers and said they'd loan Abraham out to us for the rest of the season, should we turn that down on principle? (unlikely I know, but just an example).
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on December 04, 2019, 06:56:44 AM
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.

But they all played a massive part in getting us promoted, so they were very effective.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2019, 07:55:51 AM
What is really the difference between a loan and a contracted player? Most players only stay at a clubs for a few years anyway, and for us, if do have decent player, sooner or later he will leave if one of CL clubs come in for him. At least with a loan, we can send them back after a shorter time if they are shit.
How many successful ( teams that win stuff) teams rely on loan players?


Bayern Munich - Coutinho, Perisic
PSG - Rico, Icardi
Man City - Scott Carson (not a first teamer obviously)

All have loan players in their squad. Chelsea, with all their wealth, last season had Kovacic on loan which they've now turned into a permanent. While not saying it's ideal, it would be silly to rule the possibility out completely. If a loan fits a given situation, then why not?

As an example, if Chelsea had their transfer ban overturned, bought in two big name strikers and said they'd loan Abraham out to us for the rest of the season, should we turn that down on principle? (unlikely I know, but just an example).
Point taken, I would suggest that what a Good manager wants is a settled squad with the nucleus of the team with 2 + years left on their contracts. This looks like the model that DS is aiming for.
They have stated that the policy is not to loan players which I agree with, but I am sure that there are circumstances that a loan may be a necessary.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 04, 2019, 08:38:03 AM
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.
The Baggies didn't loan these players and didn't get promoted.  But at least they didn't have to pay over the odds for Mings so they're having the last laugh now, right?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 04, 2019, 08:47:52 AM
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.
The Baggies didn't loan these players and didn't get promoted.  But at least they didn't have to pay over the odds for Mings so they're having the last laugh now, right?

DS said we may of paid over the odds but since his transfer his worth has doubled and for what it's worth FTA
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 04, 2019, 09:18:37 AM
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.

So you'd rather we hadn't signed them and we were playing Barnsley tonight?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on December 04, 2019, 10:39:39 AM
Thereís two sides to it imo. The commercial aspect where permanent signings are an asset that you can develop and loans are someone elseís asset you are developing (or, injuring, etc.)

But I think that argument goes away when it comes to promotion from the championship, because the financial benefits of promotion dwarf any increase in transfer values youíve foregone.

Then thereís the emotional side and I definitely agree that cheering on Ďourí players is qualitatively different. But I think itís a bit of a false distinction anyway. With a few exceptions all players are mercenaries and encouraged to think that way by the economics of football. As an example, just thinking of the last few years, Iíd consider Snodgrass more of a villa man than Delph based on his relationship with the fans/squad and his contribution on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 04, 2019, 10:43:43 AM
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.

But they all played a massive part in getting us promoted, so they were very effective.

Exactly.  We were rightly more concerned with promotion than whether we would improve another club's players.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 04, 2019, 10:48:05 AM
We improved players from our 'rivals' (except they weren't rivals then, and still wouldn't be without the plasyers in question). They in turn improved our whole club. Who's the loser?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on December 04, 2019, 11:16:30 AM
I agree I'd rather not have to loan players but it worked brilliantly for us last season and without them we'd be in the Championship.

If we can get a player that improves the squad, with a view to a permanent deal, then loans are a good idea.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 04, 2019, 11:26:42 AM
I can't believe there's 2 ot 3 pages of debate on this.

We're very light up front and will probably be in a relegation battle.  If Wesley get's injured, we're fucked.

Assuming there's no obvious target to purchase or we can't get the deal done, then as an alternative do you want to:

A. Loan a player to boost your squad and hopefully improve your chances of staying up (even if there's no buy clause)
B. Not loan a player and continue with a depleted squad - I don't like loans and enjoyed the Championship anyway.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on December 04, 2019, 01:27:59 PM
We improved players from our 'rivals' (except they weren't rivals then, and still wouldn't be without the plasyers in question). They in turn improved our whole club. Who's the loser?

No one, and I don't think anyone has claimed differently. However the circumstances going into the next window are very different and therefore a very different approach is needed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT Villan on December 04, 2019, 01:29:52 PM
If it is the difference between staying up and relegation, I would hope that we will loan whomever we need after we have tried to buy our first choices.

DS and Bruce are two different animals. With Dean, the loans would augment a stable squad. With Bruce they were the nucleus of the squad and at the end of every season they left ripping the heart out of our team.

The player 'value' that is oft spoken about by Purslow is far outweighed by the financial rewards of staying in the Premier League and the owners will be acutely aware of this.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on December 04, 2019, 01:48:11 PM
I can't believe there's 2 ot 3 pages of debate on this.

We're very light up front and will probably be in a relegation battle.  If Wesley get's injured, we're fucked.

Assuming there's no obvious target to purchase or we can't get the deal done, then as an alternative do you want to:

A. Loan a player to boost your squad and hopefully improve your chances of staying up (even if there's no buy clause)
B. Not loan a player and continue with a depleted squad - I don't like loans and enjoyed the Championship anyway.

Literally no one is disagreeing with that but the assumption you've added there is fucking huge and deeply flawed. Get in a loan striker if there's no obvious target but what if there's no obvious loan target either (which has been my point all along)?

A gamble signing, or loan with a fee, would in the majority of cases be better than a gamble loan. If our only other option is big fees for players that we don't believe are good enough (as was apparently the case in the summer) then fine a loan with no future agreement in place becomes sensible, but that only happens in the last few days of the window and absolutely can't involve any agreement to ensure game time.

Aside from that I honestly don't believe that signing someone like, to stick with an existing example, Brewster is going to be the difference between staying up or not. I guess the problem is that I'm not convinced that the need for another striker is as desperate as some of you think.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 04, 2019, 02:01:52 PM
You may be right, there may not be any suitable loan candidates, but the discussion over the last few pages has been more about the principle of loans, not specificic identified targets.

My post was aimed at the likes of Olaftab and others who have stated they don't like loans full stop.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 04, 2019, 09:51:58 PM
Aside from that I honestly don't believe that signing someone like, to stick with an existing example, Brewster is going to be the difference between staying up or not. I guess the problem is that I'm not convinced that the need for another striker is as desperate as some of you think.
It's definitely going to be a big problem if Wesley's goals dry up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: curiousorange on December 04, 2019, 10:11:46 PM
We look like most promoted sides in December do: running on empty and waiting for reinforcements. We're actually doing well in terms of injuries, but because goals don't come so easily, we're working very hard to score and convert those goals into points. We might not need loads of players but if we don't get one or two up top we'll be heading south.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 04, 2019, 10:12:20 PM
Aside from that I honestly don't believe that signing someone like, to stick with an existing example, Brewster is going to be the difference between staying up or not. I guess the problem is that I'm not convinced that the need for another striker is as desperate as some of you think.
It's definitely going to be a big problem if Wesley's goals dry up.

Ha ha, If his goals dry up, quality!!!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 04, 2019, 10:14:24 PM
If a top player became available but only on loan fuck it letís get him in. Because this high moral ground bollocks could get us relegated. This season of all seasons we simply must do everything possible to keep our place in this division.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 04, 2019, 10:17:36 PM
If a top player became available but only on loan fuck it letís get him in. Because this high moral ground bollocks could get us relegated. This season of all seasons we simply must do everything possible to keep our place in this division.

Spot on
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Legion on December 04, 2019, 10:26:58 PM
We will.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chris Smith on December 04, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
We need an alternative up front to be less reliant give us more options and Wesley a rest but weíre not exactly struggling for goals, only 6 teams have scored more.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 05, 2019, 03:51:22 PM
If a top player became available but only on loan fuck it letís get him in. Because this high moral ground bollocks could get us relegated. This season of all seasons we simply must do everything possible to keep our place in this division.

I'll go one step further and say that come the summer when we're in a fight to sign a top player, who will that player prefer to sign for, a team that finished just above the relegation zone or one that finished midtable on their first season back in the PL?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 05, 2019, 04:04:06 PM
I doubt any player that would sign will give a shit if we'd just finished 11th or 16th.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 05, 2019, 04:27:44 PM
For the tier of players we will be realistically be going after all that will matter come the summer is that we are known as a Premier League football club.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 05, 2019, 04:55:01 PM
I hope we'll be aiming a little higher and not at players/mercenaries that couldn't give a shit as long as they get massive wages for playing in the PL, assuming that player actually exists.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 05, 2019, 05:06:39 PM
Which no one has suggested. But I doubt any player we'll be after will go, "they finished 16th, i'm not buying into that club or their vision, if only they'd finished 11th i'd have joined them."
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 05, 2019, 07:09:17 PM
I doubt many top players will be looking to join a club that barely managed to stay up. Top players generally want to win things. Our aim should always be to finish as high up the table as possible. If that means bringing in this window a player or two on loan to help us achieve that aim, so be it. As well all know, January is hardly the best time to sign new players but the better placed we are the end of the season, the more chance we'll have of attracting and signing those top players.

Hate saying it but you only have to look at the Dingles to see how intelligently they worked the loan market last season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2019, 08:18:51 PM
Would take a look at Golovin from Monaco.

Had some good games for Russia in World cup. In and out of Monaco side but then Youri Tielemans was in similar position last year.

Leicester took him on one of those dreaded loan deals and don't think they even had an option to buy. He played really well for them and it was assumed a Man. United or Spurs would come in but nothing happened and then Leicester came in with 40m bid and signed him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 06, 2019, 02:05:21 AM
Having a back up for Grealish is also a huge problem if he gets injured for a few weeks we will be really up against it as at the moment he is our only outlet.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on December 06, 2019, 08:00:06 AM
I didnít want Maupay thought he was just another Hogan scoring goals at championship level

think I was wrong,
he looks a decent player, not just his goals as thatís not spectacular but his movement and his directness, reminds me of Defoe

probably just what we need right now, but that ship has sailed
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 06, 2019, 09:16:49 AM
Watched Maupay a lot this season as we showed interest can't see how he would have fit into our game plan and until this game I was under awed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on December 06, 2019, 09:48:25 AM
Maupay always looks dangerous, and played pretty well for Brighton against us. Sign him in January.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on December 06, 2019, 09:53:01 AM
Maupay always looks dangerous, and played pretty well for Brighton against us. Sign him in January.

think itís to late now
we will have to find other options
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on December 06, 2019, 09:54:21 AM
Maupay always looks dangerous, and played pretty well for Brighton against us. Sign him in January.

think itís to late now
we will have to find other options

I think so too, mate. A shame, really.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on December 06, 2019, 01:33:01 PM
I like to think that with our current managerial structure it hasn't gone unnoticed that we are coming up short in the centre-forward position and know full well that it cannot go on without rectification.  My hope is: that a particular target(s) has been identified and come the opening of the window we shall see someone none of us thought possible or, have never heard of.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 06, 2019, 01:59:28 PM
I think we have people in mind who can do a job for us they would have been scouted all season I'm looking forward to see who we buy in the January transfer window.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT Villan on December 06, 2019, 02:11:34 PM
I know it ranks in the "I've got more chance of sleeping with [insert name of smoking hot actress]", but I would like us to at least try and talk to Real about Bale. He's come out and said he's not ecstatic about being there and would like to return to the Premier League. Spurs and Man Utd are mooted to be interested also so it's a (very) long shot but we have the money and supposedly the ambition. Can you imagine Grealish and Bale together ?

Nurse !
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on December 06, 2019, 02:14:28 PM
I know it ranks in the "I've got more chance of sleeping with [insert name of smoking hot actress]", but I would like us to at least try and talk to Real about Bale. He's come out and said he's not ecstatic about being there and would like to return to the Premier League. Spurs and Man Utd are mooted to be interested also so it's a (very) long shot but we have the money and supposedly the ambition. Can you imagine Grealish and Bale together ?

Nurse !

(Holly Willoughby)

same chance
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 06, 2019, 02:23:02 PM
I know it ranks in the "I've got more chance of sleeping with [insert name of smoking hot actress]", but I would like us to at least try and talk to Real about Bale. He's come out and said he's not ecstatic about being there and would like to return to the Premier League. Spurs and Man Utd are mooted to be interested also so it's a (very) long shot but we have the money and supposedly the ambition. Can you imagine Grealish and Bale together ?

Nurse !

(Holly Willoughby)

same chance
Why didnít Miss World go to the dance?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 06, 2019, 02:25:47 PM
I'd be happy with Gareth "Christian" Bale or Holly "Windinthe" Willoughby, but if we are going to compete with the top clubs we really need to be going for both.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: enigma on December 06, 2019, 03:53:25 PM
I know it ranks in the "I've got more chance of sleeping with [insert name of smoking hot actress]", but I would like us to at least try and talk to Real about Bale. He's come out and said he's not ecstatic about being there and would like to return to the Premier League. Spurs and Man Utd are mooted to be interested also so it's a (very) long shot but we have the money and supposedly the ambition. Can you imagine Grealish and Bale together ?

Nurse !

(Holly Willoughby)

same chance
Seriously? Our owners are worth a few quid but they aren't going to be spending £500k a week on one players wages! Even if they could FFP would put a spanner in the works.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 06, 2019, 05:01:09 PM
Chelsea can sign players in January after having their Fifa transfer ban reduced following an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

The Premier League side were given a two-window ban by Fifa in February for breaching rules on signing young players.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50668975
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Newby on December 06, 2019, 10:11:25 PM
I see the Meaning Evil are trying to sell Mings to Tottenham. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 06, 2019, 10:44:34 PM
I like to think that with our current managerial structure it hasn't gone unnoticed that we are coming up short in the centre-forward position and know full well that it cannot go on without rectification.  My hope is: that a particular target(s) has been identified and come the opening of the window we shall see someone none of us thought possible or, have never heard of.

I still think we had a deal lined up for another striker in the summer transfer window and that is why we shipped Hogan out on loan (not that he would have been much use really), but it fell through. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on December 07, 2019, 09:53:28 AM
There are a lot of rumours that Belotti will be moving in the January window. He would be a major step up on big Wes.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on December 07, 2019, 10:19:33 AM
I know it ranks in the "I've got more chance of sleeping with [insert name of smoking hot actress]", but I would like us to at least try and talk to Real about Bale. He's come out and said he's not ecstatic about being there and would like to return to the Premier League. Spurs and Man Utd are mooted to be interested also so it's a (very) long shot but we have the money and supposedly the ambition. Can you imagine Grealish and Bale together ?

Nurse !

(Holly Willoughby)

same chance

Do you remember when Agnetha from ABBA had a relationship with a random bloke who was stalking her?


(https://i.ibb.co/PzJ7w4P/259-ECACB-C216-4-F8-C-8-B53-CCAE5-EFA50-F9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PzJ7w4P)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 07, 2019, 10:23:51 AM
There's hope for me and Suzanne Virdee yet.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 07, 2019, 04:18:16 PM
Smith loves a wide forward , can't get enough of them
We may see moves for these types than a traditional striker
Now what's interesting is the Danish international Sisto.
A 9million bid made on deadline day but the player opted against.
Hes hardly had any game time if any in Spain and I think Villa will go back in for him
A wide left winger can play right and central.

Personally I like to see Grealish , Jota or ElGhazi play as central striker.
All 3 intelligent footballers with great control and ability.
Jota or Grealish as central striker would be like a firmino type.
Its worth a trial against Liverpool kids in the cup.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 07, 2019, 04:19:22 PM
Worst haiku ever.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on December 07, 2019, 05:43:14 PM
I know it ranks in the "I've got more chance of sleeping with [insert name of smoking hot actress]", but I would like us to at least try and talk to Real about Bale. He's come out and said he's not ecstatic about being there and would like to return to the Premier League. Spurs and Man Utd are mooted to be interested also so it's a (very) long shot but we have the money and supposedly the ambition. Can you imagine Grealish and Bale together ?

Nurse !

(Holly Willoughby)

same chance

Do you remember when Agnetha from ABBA had a relationship with a random bloke who was stalking her?


(https://i.ibb.co/PzJ7w4P/259-ECACB-C216-4-F8-C-8-B53-CCAE5-EFA50-F9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PzJ7w4P)


I did know that, it came out in a documentary one time
one of the most unbelievable things ever

the bloke was a complete weirdo as well
a very lucky weirdo it has to be said
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 07, 2019, 05:55:26 PM
Adebayor is available.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on December 07, 2019, 05:58:41 PM
Adebayor is available.

Didn't he come out and say his Pastor advised him against signing for us when Sherwod wanted him?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 07, 2019, 06:12:56 PM
Adebayor is available.

Didn't he come out and say his Pastor advised him against signing for us when Sherwod wanted him?

God told Joseph Yobo to sign for Everton, apparently.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 07, 2019, 06:33:05 PM
There's hope for me and Suzanne Virdee yet.

There isn't.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 07, 2019, 09:03:07 PM
I did know that, it came out in a documentary one time
one of the most unbelievable things ever

the bloke was a complete weirdo as well
a very lucky weirdo it has to be said

I remember seeing Rosamund Pike on Graham Norton and she said she went on a blind date with some random guy who wrote to her.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 08, 2019, 07:56:01 AM
It's a shame we're not after Bowen because he looks the part. I trust Smith's judgement though and it would appear Benrahma is his number 1.

Still not any real links with a centre forward is concerning.

Not writing off Wesley but he looks like he'll benefit from someone else coming in. I've been counting the games down until January for a number of weeks so hoped we'd get one in early.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 08, 2019, 01:12:16 PM
Pedro at Chelsea being linked according to the Telegraph, according to the Villa Report Twitter feed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Newby on December 08, 2019, 01:14:14 PM
Pedro at Chelsea being linked according to the Telegraph, according to the Villa Report Twitter feed.

Very useful player, that would be a good purchase if true.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 08, 2019, 02:31:50 PM
Pedro at Chelsea being linked according to the Telegraph, according to the Villa Report Twitter feed.

Very useful player, that would be a good purchase if true.

Would surely be a loan, he's 32.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on December 08, 2019, 03:48:26 PM
Pedro at Chelsea being linked according to the Telegraph, according to the Villa Report Twitter feed.

Very useful player, that would be a good purchase if true.

Why would he ever come to us?  Even if he did, has he still got the desire
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 08, 2019, 04:04:40 PM
After today I think we need more than just a proper striker.  We need another central defender, probably another full back, and someone we can look to for goals and inspiration to take the pressure off Jack, who at the moment is basically playing by himself.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on December 08, 2019, 04:08:05 PM
We need a Bent type signing in Jan
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on December 08, 2019, 04:20:52 PM
Don't you want to give James Chester a chance at the back?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on December 08, 2019, 04:26:24 PM
Don't you want to give James Chester a chance at the back?

If fit, yes. For his experience if nothing else. Or Hause
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on December 08, 2019, 08:55:59 PM
It's a shame we're not after Bowen because he looks the part. I trust Smith's judgement though and it would appear Benrahma is his number 1.

Has Deano or anyone at Villa confirmed this?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 08, 2019, 10:37:02 PM
In the summer there was a maybe a chance to sign some premier league experienced players . That's not the route villa wanted to take but one or 2 wouldn't have hurt to help settle the team and squad. Also think keeping Glenn Whelan wouldn't have been a bad move for a season .

Defenders
Gary Cahill
Chris Smalling
Craig Dawson

Midfielders
Phillip Billling
Fabian Delph
Mooy
Drinkwater
Steven Davis

Attackers
Helder Costa
Jay Rodriguez .
Daniel Sturridge
Javi Hernandez
Wellbeck
Danny Ings

I also would have likes of Harry Wilson and one of our own Callum Robinson and Patrick Roberts.
Both players who had great seasons in championship and would perhaps be worth the take . And Roberts has great dribbling ability.
Not exactly as difficult to incorporate these players who know the country and league

I believe Villa moved for Liverpool left back  Alberto Moreno on a free but he opted for back to Spain
Who is to say others on this list weren't approached but opted elsewhere?

However I respect the Transfer strategy but some experience or home leagues potential could have been brought in outside of Konsa.
Fascinated to see moves in winter window.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 08, 2019, 11:18:15 PM
Absolute must - a mobile striker who can hold the ball up and chip in with a few goals

Next priority - pacy winger who can transition defence into attack and has end product

Next priority - a defensive midfielder with a bit of experience who can sit alongside Marvelous or Luiz and can give us a bit of control in there

Next priority - a left back

Would be satisfied enough if we just brought a striker in during the January window to be honest.  I think the other three priorities could be addressed in the summer.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 08, 2019, 11:33:45 PM
Pedro anyone ?

Daily Telegraph reports :
Aston Villa are interested in a deal to offer Pedro regular football this January after the Spain wingerís fall down the pecking order at Chelsea. 

The 32-year-old has started just one game in the past two months and could be allowed to leave Stamford Bridge when the transfer window opens on January 1.

Dean Smith, the Villa manager, will look to bolster his attack in January and a cut-price deal for Pedro may be possible, because his contract expires in seven months, when he can leave on a free transfer.

The former Barcelona winger, who has won the World Cup and European Championship with Spain, would bolster Villaís attack with his experience having spent three-and-a-half seasons in the Premier League. 

He has been marginalised at Chelsea under Frank Lampard since Christian Pulisic arrived from Borussia Dortmund and established himself in the first team, while Callum Hudson-Odoi has returned from injury during the first half of the season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on December 08, 2019, 11:36:32 PM
Of the players that you list, I only think that Cahill, Billing, Mooy or Ings would have been either interested in coming to us, or worth going for. Heaton was obviously brought in partly for his experience.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 08, 2019, 11:36:39 PM
I just cant see it, our thought I read somewhere in the summer that out whole philosophy is now to buy young with sell on value.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 08, 2019, 11:39:03 PM
In the summer there was a maybe a chance to sign some premier league experienced players.
 
Danny Ings


How the hell has Ings got 11 goals (9 league) this season already. I really wish we got him in the summer than you know who. Excellent player.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 08, 2019, 11:39:12 PM
I just cant see it, our thought I read somewhere in the summer that out whole philosophy is now to buy young with sell on value.

If the Villa did get Pedro in window it snacks as a little desperate and hardly a strategic move.
Sounds like it could be nonsense however Suso with Spanish link and JT Chelsea may think a move for a pacey wide attacker fits the way.

I liked Pedro as a exciting attacking player and be quite a coup in some ways . Just the 32 years old thing . 33 in summer.
Would want a 2 or 3 year contract. And a relegation release clause in sure.
Would have preferred to have signed him in the summer but being a class act I guess he be an upgrade.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 08, 2019, 11:42:18 PM
It may not be the craziest idea if we do want a bit of class in such as Pedro, im just not sure it ties in with how we want to do things.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 08, 2019, 11:47:21 PM
In the summer there was a maybe a chance to sign some premier league experienced players.
 
Danny Ings


How the hell has Ings got 11 goals (9 league) this season already. I really wish we got him in the summer than you know who. Excellent player.
He's an excellent goal scorer and knows the league .
That's the signings that are needed in the winter window.

None more of this simple strategy buying to develop as assets- we need some balance .
By all means get some 'growth' players but villa must address things for the now and some experience from this league wouldn't go amiss.
Needs to be right characters and attitude and maybe Pedro has something to prove.
Agree Ings would have been great move . 20 mil thing he was.
Suffix to say ;) having Mings and Ings at either end of pitch would have been fun to see them both play -ing
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 08, 2019, 11:48:44 PM
It may not be the craziest idea if we do want a bit of class in such as Pedro, im just not sure it ties in with how we want to do things.

100 right in that respect doesn't tie in at all.
But maybe a re think ?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 08, 2019, 11:54:32 PM
It may not be the craziest idea if we do want a bit of class in such as Pedro, im just not sure it ties in with how we want to do things.

100 right in that respect doesn't tie in at all.
But maybe a re think ?
Depending on were we are after the next run of fixtures then we may need a quick re-think, but Im not sure how comfortable I am with us throwing away our philosophy at the first sign of trouble. Im also not sure how comfortable I am with us potentially being in the shit and sticking with a philosophy that could back fire massively. Itts a tricky one.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 08, 2019, 11:58:56 PM
Ings is a cracking player, the issue since he left Burnley is getting him on the pitch.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 09, 2019, 12:02:03 AM
World Cup and European Championship winner Pedro to lead the line as a forward . Would press from the front and run around.
I wouldn't fancy him tracking back but give him the reign up front could do wonders .
Shall see what happens on that one then
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 09, 2019, 12:05:44 AM
Sometimes these types of players can work, Pablo Hernandez at Leeds for example, I just have bad memories of Pires waddling round our pitch like a duck.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 09, 2019, 12:15:19 AM
I just cant see it, our thought I read somewhere in the summer that out whole philosophy is now to buy young with sell on value.

It dosen't have to be every single player we sign. O.k maybe a bit difference for a keeper but Heaton shows the value of signing older keeper rather than go for someone barely over 20.

Joao Moutinho is one of the best central midfielders in the league. Wolves signed him when he was 32. Johnny Evans was 30 when Leicester signed him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 09, 2019, 12:18:21 AM
I just cant see it, our thought I read somewhere in the summer that out whole philosophy is now to buy young with sell on value.

If the Villa did get Pedro in window it snacks as a little desperate and hardly a strategic move.
Sounds like it could be nonsense however Suso with Spanish link and JT Chelsea may think a move for a pacey wide attacker fits the way.

I liked Pedro as a exciting attacking player and be quite a coup in some ways . Just the 32 years old thing . 33 in summer.
Would want a 2 or 3 year contract. And a relegation release clause in sure.
Would have preferred to have signed him in the summer but being a class act I guess he be an upgrade.
Oh yes, we are bound to give him a 3 year contract, nonsense.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OzVilla on December 09, 2019, 01:37:41 AM
About 2 weeks ago the local journalist ITKís on Twitter were all saying that Villa wonít be looking at strikers in January but wide men instead.

I took that to be either these blokes are being bullshited too but are too think to realise or someone at Villa hasnít got a clue what theyíre doing.

We desperately need a centre forward as a priority. If they canít see that then we are really stuffed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 09, 2019, 12:23:42 PM
Would Marc Albrighton come back? Pacey, hard worker and good crosser of the ball.

Demarai Gray at the same club hasn't kicked on as expected either but surely has the ability to come good again.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villa Lew on December 09, 2019, 12:38:11 PM
See Jarrod Bowen scored another 2 on Saturday, now scored 15 goals in 21 games for Hull, that's some strike rate playing for an average Championship side, might be worth a gamble on next month.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 09, 2019, 01:42:25 PM
Would Marc Albrighton come back? Pacey, hard worker and good crosser of the ball.

Demarai Gray at the same club hasn't kicked on as expected either but surely has the ability to come good again.
Who would Marc cross the ball too exactly?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 09, 2019, 02:07:10 PM
If we had Aguero  / Vardy / Messi

It would not matter as we are expecting our striker to spend most of the game facing the wrong way looking at his own players that are not even within 25ft of them.

I appreciate that even my patience is wearing thin with Wes but fuck me he gets no support at all and is feeding off lumps of balls up to him

We need to change our play before we look for another striker
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 09, 2019, 02:07:38 PM


Someone told me last night he'd heard Benrahma is nailed on. I'm not convinced he's the answer mind.

A striker, maybe two if we can offload Kodjia for some cash is absolutely beyond essential.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 09, 2019, 02:19:24 PM
If we had Aguero  / Vardy / Messi

It would not matter as we are expecting our striker to spend most of the game facing the wrong way looking at his own players that are not even within 25ft of them.

I appreciate that even my patience is wearing thin with Wes but fuck me he gets no support at all and is feeding off lumps of balls up to him

We need to change our play before we look for another striker
The same was said about Hogan.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 09, 2019, 02:26:43 PM
Would Marc Albrighton come back? Pacey, hard worker and good crosser of the ball.

Demarai Gray at the same club hasn't kicked on as expected either but surely has the ability to come good again.
Who would Marc cross the ball too exactly?

Well, I'm assuming that our first and most important signing is a new forward. But we do need competition out wide aswell. An option that can be trusted to put a shift in.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 09, 2019, 02:28:35 PM


Someone told me last night he'd heard Benrahma is nailed on. I'm not convinced he's the answer mind.

A striker, maybe two if we can offload Kodjia for some cash is absolutely beyond essential.

Kodjia is out of contract in the summer, as is Chester. Any fee we get for either of them in Jan will be nominal only.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 09, 2019, 02:48:58 PM


Someone told me last night he'd heard Benrahma is nailed on. I'm not convinced he's the answer mind.

A striker, maybe two if we can offload Kodjia for some cash is absolutely beyond essential.

Kodjia is out of contract in the summer, as is Chester. Any fee we get for either of them in Jan will be nominal only.

Better something in January than nothing in the summer then

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on December 09, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
Would Marc Albrighton come back? Pacey, hard worker and good crosser of the ball.

Demarai Gray at the same club hasn't kicked on as expected either but surely has the ability to come good again.
Who would Marc cross the ball too exactly?

Well, I'm assuming that our first and most important signing is a new forward. But we do need competition out wide aswell. An option that can be trusted to put a shift in.

Why would Marc leave a team competing for a title to compete for a place in a side battling relegation ?

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on December 09, 2019, 03:01:46 PM
Because he's often a sub these days for Leicester and he is Villa in the blood.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 09, 2019, 03:48:46 PM
He politely laughed when asked the question on Sunday and said "maybe one day".

He could be playing Champions league next season so as much as he loves us he also wants what is best for his career
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 09, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
If we had Aguero  / Vardy / Messi

It would not matter as we are expecting our striker to spend most of the game facing the wrong way looking at his own players that are not even within 25ft of them.

I appreciate that even my patience is wearing thin with Wes but fuck me he gets no support at all and is feeding off lumps of balls up to him

We need to change our play before we look for another striker

This is really just a side-note but I used to play as a winger for a university side. I had crazy acceleration and was a decent crosser but I had 0 stamina so I would bust a gut for 60 minutes of every game, tearing down the right flank and whipping in crosses again and again, and we had a big old lump of a striker who could never do anything, he'd fail to connect or fall over in the box or fail to attack the ball in the air etc. etc. and I was always ending up crippled for the rest of the week because I'd push myself too hard to finish the game or keep going, trying to play provider.

Eventually the coach had enough, dropped him and put me in as striker. You'll do better than him and won't have to break yourself in the process, he says.

All of which is to say, there's feck all point in Jack or John or Ghazi or whoever playing beautiful through balls or whipping in crosses to someone who isn't there, because the funny thing about it is, they look quite silly doing so. The difference between a world-class assist and a wasted pass to the opposition keeper is having a player you can trust in front of you. I don't care what Smith says, these lads know Wesley is largely useless. Which explains why they're suddenly playing with bugger all confidence.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 09, 2019, 04:30:59 PM
Would Marc Albrighton come back? Pacey, hard worker and good crosser of the ball.

Demarai Gray at the same club hasn't kicked on as expected either but surely has the ability to come good again.
Who would Marc cross the ball too exactly?

Well, I'm assuming that our first and most important signing is a new forward. But we do need competition out wide aswell. An option that can be trusted to put a shift in.
I am a big fan
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on December 09, 2019, 05:46:15 PM
If we had Aguero  / Vardy / Messi

It would not matter as we are expecting our striker to spend most of the game facing the wrong way looking at his own players that are not even within 25ft of them.

I appreciate that even my patience is wearing thin with Wes but fuck me he gets no support at all and is feeding off lumps of balls up to him

We need to change our play before we look for another striker

This is really just a side-note but I used to play as a winger for a university side. I had crazy acceleration and was a decent crosser but I had 0 stamina so I would bust a gut for 60 minutes of every game, tearing down the right flank and whipping in crosses again and again, and we had a big old lump of a striker who could never do anything, he'd fail to connect or fall over in the box or fail to attack the ball in the air etc. etc. and I was always ending up crippled for the rest of the week because I'd push myself too hard to finish the game or keep going, trying to play provider.

Eventually the coach had enough, dropped him and put me in as striker. You'll do better than him and won't have to break yourself in the process, he says.

All of which is to say, there's feck all point in Jack or John or Ghazi or whoever playing beautiful through balls or whipping in crosses to someone who isn't there, because the funny thing about it is, they look quite silly doing so. The difference between a world-class assist and a wasted pass to the opposition keeper is having a player you can trust in front of you. I don't care what Smith says, these lads know Wesley is largely useless. Which explains why they're suddenly playing with bugger all confidence.

I'm feeling a little  nervous, I wonder if you studied at my university!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: David_Nab on December 09, 2019, 08:54:45 PM
In the summer there was 3 large transfer fees for tall strikers ,Wes at us ,Haller at West Ham and Jolinton at Newcastle ..none of them are performing ..is it maybe that teams just know how to deal with that type of striker easily now ..or all 3 just need more time to settle .

In Wes case he needs dropping and used as a sub for a while he is not going to play his way into form.My concern is he just looks so raw still . He doesn't know how to use his body to hold of the ball or win free kicks ,for such a big player in the air he wins very little ..I can't recall a single decent headed attempt by him at goal .He long range shooting isn't up to much either

He may come good but at moment he is more hinderance  than help..ElGahzi upfront would offer more and he can run with ball and can shoot from distance
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 09, 2019, 09:00:30 PM
Or maybe they are all crap.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on December 09, 2019, 09:20:51 PM
Said to a guy at work today,  Moutinho style signing or two is exactly what we need. Someone with a bit of class and experience who can help on the pitch with game management.

Pedro would be a good match, Fellaini (not that I have ever rated him as such) could be another. Also in defence we need a John Terry to help the young lads out.

Chester could be that player if he ever gets back to fitness.

Up front, Glenn Murray/Javier Hernandez/Defoe (Iím struggling??) but someone again with a bit of nous who knows what they are doing up there.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Newby on December 09, 2019, 10:52:54 PM
Eric Dier for midfield? We need premier league experience. Pedro too.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 10, 2019, 09:11:51 AM
Batshayi being linked form chelsea. Id be delighted with this.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 10, 2019, 09:19:25 AM
Yes please.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2019, 09:21:53 AM
Jesus yes
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 10, 2019, 09:31:32 AM
Batshayi being linked form chelsea. Id be delighted with this.
A player who is not suited to a lone striker role.
So thatís Giroud Pedro and now Batashayi from The Chelsea misfit squad all linked.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 10, 2019, 09:37:37 AM
Let's take all three. Although I would still prefer Cavani to Giroud.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on December 10, 2019, 01:32:00 PM
Jesus yes

I think Citeh are happy enough with him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 10, 2019, 01:34:22 PM
Only chance of getting Batshuayi is if Chelsea go out and sign a big-money striker elsewhere.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 10, 2019, 01:51:15 PM
Only chance of getting Batshuayi is if Chelsea go out and sign a big-money striker elsewhere.
I think itís the other way round.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 10, 2019, 01:54:31 PM
Only chance of getting Batshuayi is if Chelsea go out and sign a big-money striker elsewhere.
I think itís the other way round.

I don't. They will spend now that they can. They couldn't spend a penny in the summer and Lampard will have a list of players he wants.

The trouble they'll have - same as ourselves - is finding a striker. They'll have to bring someone in before letting someone go.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 10, 2019, 02:33:19 PM
Only chance of getting Batshuayi is if Chelsea go out and sign a big-money striker elsewhere.

Which they probably will. Lampard doesn't seem to rate him and they can now sign players again.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on December 10, 2019, 03:58:29 PM
I've just looked at Batshuayi's record and he's hardly played - is he always injured? Not exactly prolific but has scored against big teams and knows the league - it's a yes from me. £22M if Palace want him apparently - too rich for their blood as they would surely have to find a home for Benteke if they did want him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 10, 2019, 05:08:16 PM
Is it worth tapping Origi up?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 10, 2019, 05:17:09 PM
Is it worth tapping Origi up?

Waste of time and effort, Klopp adores him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on December 10, 2019, 06:53:56 PM
I have this vision of Pukki signing for is in Jan
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 10, 2019, 07:59:52 PM
Is it worth tapping Origi up?

"Hi, member of team running away with the title, recent Champions League winner, scorer of important goals fancy leaving that all behind for a relegation fight?"
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 10, 2019, 09:16:36 PM
I have this vision of Pukki signing for is in Jan

Nah. I know theyíre often a bit yampy over that way, but they ainít that yampy.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AVH87 on December 10, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
Mitrovic a handful again tonight, we should go in for him in January. We'd be much more effective with him leading our line.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 10, 2019, 10:43:43 PM
We can do better.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 10, 2019, 10:44:42 PM
I have this vision of Pukki signing for is in Jan

No chance. They'd be confirming their relegation.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 10, 2019, 11:05:20 PM
I've just looked at Batshuayi's record and he's hardly played - is he always injured? Not exactly prolific but has scored against big teams and knows the league - it's a yes from me. £22M if Palace want him apparently - too rich for their blood as they would surely have to find a home for Benteke if they did want him.

6 in 13 for Palace from last January so he stayed fit playing for them.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on December 11, 2019, 08:37:05 AM
We can do better.

Name him/them
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 11, 2019, 08:54:08 AM
I have this vision of Pukki signing for is in Jan

I like that vision !
Though he's seemingly an effective 'Scott Hogan'
A finish version who can finish !
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 11, 2019, 09:56:52 AM
We can do better.

Name him/them

Cavani, Batshuyahi, Barbosa, off the top of my head.

But the club employ a scouting network, I don't. They should be able to find a more exciting prospect somewhere on the planet considering the wealth at our disposal.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 11, 2019, 10:42:23 AM
We can do better.
This Jan?  I'd like to know who.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2019, 10:45:38 AM
I have this vision of Pukki signing for is in Jan
Drugs ?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 11, 2019, 10:47:48 AM
We can do better.

Name him/them

Cavani, Batshuyahi, Barbosa, off the top of my head.

But the club employ a scouting network, I don't. They should be able to find a more exciting prospect somewhere on the planet considering the wealth at our disposal.
Cavani of PSG?  The 32 year old who Athletico Madrid are hoping to sign if they can beat Juventus, Man Utd & LA Galaxy to his signature?  OK, right, good call.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2019, 10:48:53 AM
We can do better.

Name him/them

Cavani, Batshuyahi, Barbosa, off the top of my head.

But the club employ a scouting network, I don't. They should be able to find a more exciting prospect somewhere on the planet considering the wealth at our disposal.
Cavani of PSG?  The 32 year old who Athletico Madrid are hoping to sign if they can beat Juventus, Man Utd & LA Galaxy to his signature?  OK, right, good call.
more drugs.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 11, 2019, 10:53:01 AM
There's no such team as Athletico Madrid and even if there was, they can't afford him, we can. LA Galaxy play in a pub league. Man United will probably have a new manager by January so who knows what players they will be after? Anyway Rashford seems to be doing well. They probably have other priorities. As for Juventus, they're already paying Ronaldo about a billion a week and Serie A clubs don't make as much as we do. Plus they seem to be doing okay without him.

But, nah. We have among the wealthiest owners in football. Let's just settle for some average Fulham player or a Rangers maniac who can't stay on the pitch and never scores in big games.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2019, 11:15:35 AM
There's no such team as Athletico Madrid and even if there was, they can't afford him, we can. LA Galaxy play in a pub league. Man United will probably have a new manager by January so who knows what players they will be after? Anyway Rashford seems to be doing well. They probably have other priorities. As for Juventus, they're already paying Ronaldo about a billion a week and Serie A clubs don't make as much as we do. Plus they seem to be doing okay without him.

But, nah. We have among the wealthiest owners in football. Let's just settle for some average Fulham player or a Rangers maniac who can't stay on the pitch and never scores in big games.

I applaud this post in full. Too many folk conditioned to the corner shop mentality of Ellis.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 11, 2019, 11:16:52 AM
There's no such team as Athletico Madrid and even if there was, they can't afford him, we can. LA Galaxy play in a pub league. Man United will probably have a new manager by January so who knows what players they will be after? Anyway Rashford seems to be doing well. They probably have other priorities. As for Juventus, they're already paying Ronaldo about a billion a week and Serie A clubs don't make as much as we do. Plus they seem to be doing okay without him.

But, nah. We have among the wealthiest owners in football. Let's just settle for some average Fulham player or a Rangers maniac who can't stay on the pitch and never scores in big games.


Quality rant, that.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on December 11, 2019, 11:22:59 AM
We can do better.

Name him/them

Cavani, Batshuyahi, Barbosa, off the top of my head.

But the club employ a scouting network, I don't. They should be able to find a more exciting prospect somewhere on the planet considering the wealth at our disposal.

I should never have asked I suppose
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 11, 2019, 11:27:08 AM
There's no such team as Athletico Madrid and even if there was, they can't afford him, we can. LA Galaxy play in a pub league. Man United will probably have a new manager by January so who knows what players they will be after? Anyway Rashford seems to be doing well. They probably have other priorities. As for Juventus, they're already paying Ronaldo about a billion a week and Serie A clubs don't make as much as we do. Plus they seem to be doing okay without him.

But, nah. We have among the wealthiest owners in football. Let's just settle for some average Fulham player or a Rangers maniac who can't stay on the pitch and never scores in big games.

I applaud this post in full. Too many folk conditioned to the corner shop mentality of Ellis.
Nonsence.  There's ambition and then there fantasy.  Where we are right now the likes of Cavani fall firmly in the latter.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2019, 11:27:17 AM
Letís get Hogan back from sturke
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on December 11, 2019, 11:27:19 AM
We do have wealthy owners but there's nothing to suggest that they want to take the Man City route of buying success. There seems to be a much more sensible approach of stability and being patient. That would suggest appreciating that we're a newly promoted team and not setting a precedent of paying astronomical fees and wages that could be used against us in future negotiations.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 11, 2019, 11:27:53 AM
I want to be as optimistic as the next guy in our search for a striker, but the notion that Edinson Cavani would say no to playing out his last years in Spain or California in favour of the tropical West Midlands is just laughable, to be honest.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2019, 12:08:21 PM
We can do better.

Name him/them

Cavani, Batshuyahi, Barbosa, off the top of my head.

But the club employ a scouting network, I don't. They should be able to find a more exciting prospect somewhere on the planet considering the wealth at our disposal.

I should never have asked I suppose

To be fair, if Palace can sign Batshuyahi so can we.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2019, 12:09:51 PM
There's no such team as Athletico Madrid and even if there was, they can't afford him, we can. LA Galaxy play in a pub league. Man United will probably have a new manager by January so who knows what players they will be after? Anyway Rashford seems to be doing well. They probably have other priorities. As for Juventus, they're already paying Ronaldo about a billion a week and Serie A clubs don't make as much as we do. Plus they seem to be doing okay without him.

But, nah. We have among the wealthiest owners in football. Let's just settle for some average Fulham player or a Rangers maniac who can't stay on the pitch and never scores in big games.

I applaud this post in full. Too many folk conditioned to the corner shop mentality of Ellis.
Nonsence.  There's ambition and then there fantasy.  Where we are right now the likes of Cavani fall firmly in the latter.

Yeah, well there's solutions to our goalscoring woes and then there's Neil Maupay.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 11, 2019, 12:11:10 PM
You don't think Maupay would have been a better option than Wesley?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DrGonzo on December 11, 2019, 12:56:05 PM
Chelsea, apparently, have £150m to spend on strikers so....
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 11, 2019, 01:23:13 PM
You don't think Maupay would have been a better option than Wesley?

Agreed - all the clamour for him and I think he has been almost unnoticeable in an average Brighton team. Cannot see anything better than Wesley in Maupay

Mitrovic - would give us some steel
Bowen - would give us some mobility
Batshuyahi - certainly knows the league and maybe a loan to buy deal?

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2019, 01:28:10 PM
Maupay is a much, much better player than Wesley.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2019, 01:34:54 PM
Maupay is a much, much better player than Wesley.
Chalk and cheese.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 11, 2019, 01:36:51 PM
Maupay is a much, much better player than Wesley.
Chalk and cheese.
Shit and Shinola
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 11, 2019, 01:50:25 PM
Macauley Bonne
Zimbabwe international Striker at Charlton
Scored 6 in 13 this season being linked with Leicester and Newcastle.
24 years old.



Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 11, 2019, 01:53:30 PM
Britt Assombalonga is perhaps a more pacey and would be the compromise to the dilemma

.
You don't think Maupay would have been a better option than Wesley?

Agreed - all the clamour for him and I think he has been almost unnoticeable in an average Brighton team. Cannot see anything better than Wesley in Maupay

Mitrovic - would give us some steel
Bowen - would give us some mobility
Batshuyahi - certainly knows the league and maybe a loan to buy deal?



Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2019, 01:54:45 PM
Britt Assombalonga?

Jesus Christ on a shiny bike.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 11, 2019, 01:55:55 PM
Can live with Bowen, Benrahma or Dack adding to the fire power . Championship currently however think any could contribute with the step up
Preference order.
2 from 3.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 11, 2019, 02:02:42 PM
Britt Assombalonga?

Jesus Christ on a shiny bike.

Well it's a fushion of the suggestions

Mitrovic -" would give us some steel"
Bowen -" would give us some mobility"
Batshuyahi - "certainly knows the league and maybe a loan to buy deal?"

So the equation is
Mitrovic+Bowen+Batshuyahi+Grabban X (Wesley )= Assombalonga


Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 11, 2019, 02:10:56 PM
Britt Assombalonga?

Jesus Christ on a shiny bike.

And is actually a representative to what could be signed.
Bale, Giroud, cavani aren't likely .

Unless Villa are going to sign the next Gabriel Martinelli unearth a south american teenage  starlet like arsenal picked up in summer then it's best to go for practical targets.

Assombalonga is worth mentioning just because he's a capable striker who can play as a clear number 9.
He's also a few years younger than Grabban at 26 and would be hungry to play premier level.

Its less far fetched than Bale or Cavani
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on December 11, 2019, 02:15:34 PM
For fuck sake how has the conversation gone down from Grabban and Mitrovic, to be clear Assombalonga is a terrible player who should never be mentioned in connection to a club owned by 2 billionaires.  Oh and Dack would be shit in the premier league as well.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on December 11, 2019, 02:22:15 PM
For fuck sake how has the conversation gone down from Grabban and Mitrovic, to be clear Assombalonga is a terrible player who should never be mentioned in connection to a club owned by 2 billionaires.  Oh and Dack would be shit in the premier league as well.

Altidore it is then? ;D
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 11, 2019, 02:27:24 PM
Maupay is a much, much better player than Wesley.
I'm with Risso.  Although I probably would have added in an extra 'much'
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 11, 2019, 02:29:47 PM
For fuck sake how has the conversation gone down from Grabban and Mitrovic, to be clear Assombalonga is a terrible player who should never be mentioned in connection to a club owned by 2 billionaires.  Oh and Dack would be shit in the premier league as well.


Can you live with Bowen and Benrahma then ?
I can
Or are they too low a standard for you.
I'm only touting potential and Assombalonga may not be totally the answer however something along the lines and practical is where we look at. Or one such way.

I'm sorry that it annoys the sheer mention of championship players now we are premier league but Dean Smith (whatever say he has) would be for such signings .
Suso is the overseas recruiter and wouldn't know the merits of these players as much as Dean Smith..

Assombalonga could have come last January if Tammy Abraham left .
I think strong links to him being signed actually.  So shows he's interested Villa and could do worse than Brit. I think he as good as what we have and better goal scorer
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 11, 2019, 02:44:24 PM
We're going to get a lot of this, aren't we.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on December 11, 2019, 02:57:33 PM
For fuck sake how has the conversation gone down from Grabban and Mitrovic, to be clear Assombalonga is a terrible player who should never be mentioned in connection to a club owned by 2 billionaires.  Oh and Dack would be shit in the premier league as well.


Can you live with Bowen and Benrahma then ?
I can
Or are they too low a standard for you.
I'm only touting potential and Assombalonga may not be totally the answer however something along the lines and practical is where we look at. Or one such way.

I'm sorry that it annoys the sheer mention of championship players now we are premier league but Dean Smith (whatever say he has) would be for such signings .
Suso is the overseas recruiter and wouldn't know the merits of these players as much as Dean Smith..

Assombalonga could have come last January if Tammy Abraham left .
I think strong links to him being signed actually.  So shows he's interested Villa and could do worse than Brit. I think he as good as what we have and better goal scorer



Just randomly throwing out players with a few goals to their name with no attempt to consider how they'd fit in to the team, squad or league is pointless and then getting arsey when people disagree is a bit sad. I'm not against Assombalonga because he's in the championship, I'm against him because he's little more than a flat track bully in the championship and would be eaten alive by premier league defenders. That you think he's along the right lines and 'practical' is quite scary, even for free I see no version of events where we're in the premier league and he's anything other than a panic buy.


I'd quite like Bowen, I think he could step up pretty well, I'm less convinced by Benrahma but he's a decent player.



Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: godzvilla on December 11, 2019, 03:57:01 PM
bowen and benrahma?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 11, 2019, 04:30:29 PM
If we could re-sign Grabban on loan and Bowen on a perm in January I'd snap your hand off right now. We'd look a completely different team.

I'd even take Mitrović. Although, as the current Championship top scorer that option seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 11, 2019, 04:55:01 PM
Bowen might be available cheaper than market value due to his contract situation. Him and Watkins I would take.

No guarantee they can transition to the top flight, but they both seem smart and adaptable enough to do so.

Possible centre half cover depending on the extent of Mings' injury. There I'd look at an older head rather than a rookie. I know we have Chester, Hause and Konza, but I'm not convinced by the latter two and Chester has injury concerns of his own.

Centre half is not really a position you can dick about with.  I'm not as worried as some about our recent form. Four wins by early December was roughly where I expected us to be. But a few spankings over the Christmas/ New Year period with Mings out and we could be up against it.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on December 11, 2019, 04:55:09 PM
Jordan Bowery?

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 11, 2019, 04:56:55 PM
With Jordan Bowery back in the fold we would be unstoppable.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2019, 05:08:09 PM
I think we're less likely to get a spanking with Mings out to be honest, he's been a right liability lately.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on December 11, 2019, 05:31:30 PM
So the equation is
Mitrovic+Bowen+Batshuyahi+Grabban X (Wesley )= Assombalonga
Are you Dr Xia in disguise?!
Assombalongais shit: if you think Wesley is not up to the job, then find someone who is better (and can add immediate goals and assists) not just different.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2019, 05:52:20 PM
I think we're less likely to get a spanking with Mings out to be honest, he's been a right liability lately.

I think weíll realise how important he is once heís not in the team.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 11, 2019, 06:05:19 PM
bowen and benrahma?

Yes 2 goal scoring wingers.
Left , right or centre .
Close control and good ball ability.
They both can play as wide forwards.
And are exciting attacking footballers.

Jared Bowen
English, Hull city. rejected at Villa age 10 played at Hereford then signed to Hull!
Bowen contract is expiring in the summer 2020.
He's left footed.
This season Bowen played 21 matches and scored 15 goals and 3 assists.
Last season 46 games 22 goals 4 assists.


Said Benrahma 24. Brentford.
Algerian
Skill full , pace has tricks.
Villa bid in the summer, but didn't get the deal.
Smith signed him for Brentford last season and Benrahama provided most assists in championship
Right footed
This season 17 games 3 goals 4 assists.
Last season stats : 11 goals ,17 assists.

Basically I would sign both
They can dribble Bowen with skill and Benrahama has can run with the call with pace in his dribbling .

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 11, 2019, 06:09:44 PM
So the equation is
Mitrovic+Bowen+Batshuyahi+Grabban X (Wesley )= Assombalonga
Are you Dr Xia in disguise?!
Assombalongais shit: if you think Wesley is not up to the job, then find someone who is better (and can add immediate goals and assists) not just different.

I already said : Bowen and Benrahama .
Wesley forte isn't goals. It's developing the strengths so his ability as link and target man allows the team to play and get up the pitch.
 
Having Bowen and Benrahama for say £25mil tops would go along way to not only help show case Wesley talents but make it very exciting indeed for the team
2 wide forwards /wingers who will be involved in the attack and give much needed impetus.
Bowen could play upfront in a fluid front 3 for times Wesley isn't in team
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Legion on December 11, 2019, 06:14:11 PM
Is Marlon F. Harewood still available?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on December 11, 2019, 06:32:43 PM
Heres 4 names who are doing ok at the moment - of them Moron and David look decent.

Loren Moron
Donyell Malen
Myron Boadu
Jonathan David
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2019, 06:33:04 PM
We're going to get a lot of this, aren't we.
Yes, we are in the midst of greatness.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 11, 2019, 07:00:40 PM
I think we're less likely to get a spanking with Mings out to be honest, he's been a right liability lately.

I think weíll realise how important he is once heís not in the team.

I think heís very important, but he has been ropey lately. Hopefully a rest will get him back to his best.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 11, 2019, 08:19:07 PM
I think we're less likely to get a spanking with Mings out to be honest, he's been a right liability lately.

I think weíll realise how important he is once heís not in the team.

I think heís very important, but he has been ropey lately. Hopefully a rest will get him back to his best.

He has indeed been not up to his usual standards of late. I think he's tired.

See also SJM.

I hope it is just needing a rest with Mings rather than him doing a Carson. Shudder.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 11, 2019, 08:40:19 PM
If we could re-sign Grabban on loan and Bowen on a perm in January I'd snap your hand off right now. We'd look a completely different team.

I'd even take Mitrović. Although, as the current Championship top scorer that option seems unlikely.

Grabban and Mitrovic have proven on a few occasions they arent up to the top division, file under likes of Gayle, Dwight.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 11, 2019, 09:09:45 PM
Grabban? Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Legion on December 11, 2019, 09:32:24 PM
Assombalonga!? Is this a game of pick a random shit football player and hope they turn into the new Pele or Best?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 11, 2019, 09:58:33 PM
Grabban? Fucking hell.

He's not the forward you'd build a side around but he wasn't overawed in his spell with us and it seemed to click for him.

More stability that summer and there's a decent chance we'd have made the move permanent.

I'd probably prefer him as an option from the bench over Kodjia or Davis.  But realistically we need better than all three.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on December 11, 2019, 10:35:46 PM
Open winter transfer thread......

A few pages discussing the relative strengths of Mitrovic, Grabban, Assombolonga.........

Closes winter transfer thread......
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Legion on December 11, 2019, 10:39:45 PM
Title about to be changed...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 11, 2019, 11:18:50 PM
Grabban? Fucking hell.

He's not the forward you'd build a side around but he wasn't overawed in his spell with us and it seemed to click for him.

More stability that summer and there's a decent chance we'd have made the move permanent.

I'd probably prefer him as an option from the bench over Kodjia or Davis.  But realistically we need better than all three.

Not advocating we sign Grabban, especially as he is on the bench at Forest at the moment, but did see a stat on the TV during their game at Millwall saying he had scored the most goals in the Championship over the past five years. 

I don't really follow football abroad so don't really know what kind of options would be available in other countries, but in terms of British football, I think we would either be looking at taking a bit of a punt on someone like Ollie Watkins from Brentford or Morelos from Rangers or looking to sign someone on loan from another top flight club. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 11, 2019, 11:29:27 PM
Grabban? Fucking hell.

He's not the forward you'd build a side around but he wasn't overawed in his spell with us and it seemed to click for him.

More stability that summer and there's a decent chance we'd have made the move permanent.

I'd probably prefer him as an option from the bench over Kodjia or Davis.  But realistically we need better than all three.

Not advocating we sign Grabban, especially as he is on the bench at Forest at the moment, but did see a stat on the TV during their game at Millwall saying he had scored the most goals in the Championship over the past five years. 



Re Grabban stat scoring most in last 5 years but surely that doesn't mean much as a premier league bench mark.
If it wasnt for it being a fact it would be totally relativism
Its bordering anyway because :If Vardy, Kane , Aguero , or even Tammy Abraham played in the championship the last 5 years they would be the top scorer.

Its like saying I'm the youngest child because my brother and sisters are older than me.
But if my brother or sisters were younger then they would be the youngest.

Grabban scored the most goals in the championship in the last 5 years.

Aston Villa are in the Premier league.
Its 2 different things

Help me out with this?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: paul_e on December 11, 2019, 11:34:29 PM
Heres 4 names who are doing ok at the moment - of them Moron and David look decent.

Loren Moron
Donyell Malen
Myron Boadu
Jonathan David

I mentioned Malen on a thread, not sure which, I think he could be a special talent but he's very young so he might not be the sort you sign looking for an immediate impact. Osimhen at Lyon looks a fantastic player as well, again very young but both are the sort of players we could pay £20-25m for and see bids of 2-3x that in 18months time.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2019, 11:36:19 PM
Heres 4 names who are doing ok at the moment - of them Moron and David look decent.

Loren Moron
Donyell Malen
Myron Boadu
Jonathan David

I mentioned Malen on a thread, not sure which, I think he could be a special talent but he's very young so he might not be the sort you sign looking for an immediate impact. Osimhen at Lyon looks a fantastic player as well, again very young but both are the sort of players we could pay £20-25m for and see bids of 2-3x that in 18months time.

Are those real players then?  I thought it was a joke that I wasn't clever enough to understand!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2019, 11:39:08 PM
Heres 4 names who are doing ok at the moment - of them Moron and David look decent.

Loren Moron
Donyell Malen
Myron Boadu
Jonathan David

I mentioned Malen on a thread, not sure which, I think he could be a special talent but he's very young so he might not be the sort you sign looking for an immediate impact. Osimhen at Lyon looks a fantastic player as well, again very young but both are the sort of players we could pay £20-25m for and see bids of 2-3x that in 18months time.

Are those real players then?  I thought it was a joke that I wasn't clever enough to understand!
Yeh I stopped at Loren Moron
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 11, 2019, 11:50:07 PM
If we could re-sign Grabban on loan and Bowen on a perm in January I'd snap your hand off right now. We'd look a completely different team.

I'd even take Mitrović. Although, as the current Championship top scorer that option seems unlikely.

Grabban and Mitrovic have proven on a few occasions they arent up to the top division, file under likes of Gayle, Dwight.

Grabban has only played 20 odd career games in the PL, mostly as a sub, since then his goal scoring record is averaging 1 in 2. He's already shown he can work hard for us and is worth another crack at the top flight.

Mitrović has a 1 in 4 record in the PL. Whilst not superb, if we compare that to our current striker's 0 in 8 - it's decent. That figure could easily be improved on with the likes of Grealish, El Ghazi and Hourihane supplying him.

If we end up bringing in better quality, it's a bonus.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 12, 2019, 12:14:42 AM
Grabban is 32 next month and is not the answer to any question apart from "name a striker that is great in the lower leagues and shit in the Premier League".

If you are going to make Wes 0 in 8 then suggesting a striker that was 0 in 9 last season in the PL doesn't seem such a great idea. Or if we're picking random runs to suit an argument, Mitrovic scored in 4 of the last 31 PL games he played.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 12, 2019, 12:16:16 AM
Grabban did well at the start of his loan spell but he went missing a bit in the actual play offs. Certainly a good championship striker when he's in the mood but I really don't see any indication we'll want to sign him.

If we are to sign from there it's obviously going to be Bowen or Benrahama I think. Could get both but I'd rather get in a more experienced international standard forward in.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 12, 2019, 12:29:27 AM
Grabban? Fucking hell.

He's not the forward you'd build a side around but he wasn't overawed in his spell with us and it seemed to click for him.

More stability that summer and there's a decent chance we'd have made the move permanent.

I'd probably prefer him as an option from the bench over Kodjia or Davis.  But realistically we need better than all three.

Not advocating we sign Grabban, especially as he is on the bench at Forest at the moment, but did see a stat on the TV during their game at Millwall saying he had scored the most goals in the Championship over the past five years. 



Re Grabban stat scoring most in last 5 years but surely that doesn't mean much as a premier league bench mark.
If it wasnt for it being a fact it would be totally relativism
Its bordering anyway because :If Vardy, Kane , Aguero , or even Tammy Abraham played in the championship the last 5 years they would be the top scorer.

Its like saying I'm the youngest child because my brother and sisters are older than me.
But if my brother or sisters were younger then they would be the youngest.

Grabban scored the most goals in the championship in the last 5 years.

Aston Villa are in the Premier league.
Its 2 different things

Help me out with this?

As I say, wasn't advocating that we sign Grabban at all, just saying that I was a little surprised to see him top that particular chart, as I didn't think he had been that prolific during his career.

There are numerous examples of strikers who have been prolific in the Championship, but haven't made the step up when given the chance in the top flight.  Still, that kind of scoring record isn't to be sniffed at whatever level of football someone is playing at. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 12, 2019, 12:33:31 AM
Yes that Grabban is some player but he is no Joze Altidore.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 12, 2019, 01:27:14 AM
If Rangers have a poor December / early Jan I would offer big money for Morelos. Young and a good player and probably needs a PL stepping stone to the Sky 6. Still will be difficult to get even if we start picking up points from here but money talks.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 12, 2019, 08:16:37 AM
Grabban is 32 next month and is not the answer to any question apart from "name a striker that is great in the lower leagues and shit in the Premier League".

Or maybe "name a striker who may not be great but would be cheap and almost certainly better than Wesley at the moment?"  I appreciate there would be fucking hundreds of viable answers to this question and I'm not advocating signing them.  But if you asked me who I'd rather play up top for us on Saturday Wesley or Grabban, there's only one answer to that.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 12, 2019, 08:58:06 AM
Yes, "neither, thanks" is the answer.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 12, 2019, 09:03:13 AM
Heres 4 names who are doing ok at the moment - of them Moron and David look decent.

Loren Moron
Donyell Malen
Myron Boadu
Jonathan David

I mentioned Malen on a thread, not sure which, I think he could be a special talent but he's very young so he might not be the sort you sign looking for an immediate impact. Osimhen at Lyon looks a fantastic player as well, again very young but both are the sort of players we could pay £20-25m for and see bids of 2-3x that in 18months time.

Are those real players then?  I thought it was a joke that I wasn't clever enough to understand!

Same.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 12, 2019, 09:09:56 AM
The difference in goalscoring terms between Grabban and Wesley is that Grabban gets many and Wesley the few .
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 12, 2019, 09:21:34 AM
I'm not always on board with your posts, but I like the subliminal attempt to influence the election in the last one.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on December 12, 2019, 09:29:07 AM
Grabban feels like the striker equivalent of fat Sam. An admission that is weíre trying to scrabble over the line any which way, which may be true but Iíd prefer to have a sense that weíre sticking with a plan.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on December 12, 2019, 10:08:06 AM
Grabban? Fucking hell.

He's not the forward you'd build a side around but he wasn't overawed in his spell with us and it seemed to click for him.

More stability that summer and there's a decent chance we'd have made the move permanent.

I'd probably prefer him as an option from the bench over Kodjia or Davis.  But realistically we need better than all three.

Not advocating we sign Grabban, especially as he is on the bench at Forest at the moment, but did see a stat on the TV during their game at Millwall saying he had scored the most goals in the Championship over the past five years. 



Re Grabban stat scoring most in last 5 years but surely that doesn't mean much as a premier league bench mark.
If it wasnt for it being a fact it would be totally relativism
Its bordering anyway because :If Vardy, Kane , Aguero , or even Tammy Abraham played in the championship the last 5 years they would be the top scorer.

Its like saying I'm the youngest child because my brother and sisters are older than me.
But if my brother or sisters were younger then they would be the youngest.

Grabban scored the most goals in the championship in the last 5 years.

Aston Villa are in the Premier league.
Its 2 different things

Help me out with this?

No. Though I agree you need it.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on December 12, 2019, 10:09:56 AM
I'm not always on board with your posts, but I like the subliminal attempt to influence the election in the last one.

👍
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mallo on December 12, 2019, 12:27:45 PM
Heres 4 names who are doing ok at the moment - of them Moron and David look decent.

Loren Moron
Donyell Malen
Myron Boadu
Jonathan David

I mentioned Malen on a thread, not sure which, I think he could be a special talent but he's very young so he might not be the sort you sign looking for an immediate impact. Osimhen at Lyon looks a fantastic player as well, again very young but both are the sort of players we could pay £20-25m for and see bids of 2-3x that in 18months time.

Are those real players then?  I thought it was a joke that I wasn't clever enough to understand!

Same.

I agree it does look like I threw some scrabble tiles and let them lie wherever and made a post. They are actually footballers and Jonathan David looks pretty good. They're all young so would fit our buying philosophy. They may not be good enough to make an immediate impact though.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: danno on December 12, 2019, 12:41:00 PM
Moron's release clause is £40 million euros so a move for him would be a Darren Bent style splurge.

Good football brain mind you.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 14, 2019, 09:42:22 AM
If villa don't sign this Moron then someone in prem needs too .
I hope the commentary don't refer to him as either just his nationality or his first name

Hearing chants of Moron and pundits and commentators doing so would be soo hilarious

I can already imagine the hullabaloo on h and v and social media if Moron was signed by Villa
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GarTomas on December 14, 2019, 10:17:23 AM
Grabban? Fucking hell.

He's not the forward you'd build a side around but he wasn't overawed in his spell with us and it seemed to click for him.

More stability that summer and there's a decent chance we'd have made the move permanent.

I'd probably prefer him as an option from the bench over Kodjia or Davis.  But realistically we need better than all three.

Not advocating we sign Grabban, especially as he is on the bench at Forest at the moment, but did see a stat on the TV during their game at Millwall saying he had scored the most goals in the Championship over the past five years. 

I don't really follow football abroad so don't really know what kind of options would be available in other countries, but in terms of British football, I think we would either be looking at taking a bit of a punt on someone like Ollie Watkins from Brentford or Morelos from Rangers or looking to sign someone on loan from another top flight club.

I see your Lewis Grabban and raise you with Ross McCormack.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: wolfman999 on December 14, 2019, 04:58:00 PM
No strikers of note yet we look to bring in yet another centre half. WTF?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithe on December 14, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
What we tend to forget is that we can afford to pay wages 3/4/5/6 x what players would earn in other European leagues.

We need 5 players in the January window although it will be a panic situation.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 14, 2019, 11:47:26 PM
What we tend to forget is that we can afford to pay wages 3/4/5/6 x what players would earn in other European leagues.

We need 5 players in the January window although it will be a panic situation.

I initially thought a striker and maybe a winger wax all that was needed, but as each game passes I see more and more need for a central midfielder.  Nakamba gets a bit lost at times, Luiz is struggling to get up to speed, Hourihane is a defensive liability at times and Lansbury just isn't up to in the top flight unfortunately. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 15, 2019, 08:34:58 AM
totally agree.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on December 15, 2019, 08:43:44 AM
What we tend to forget is that we can afford to pay wages 3/4/5/6 x what players would earn in other European leagues.

We need 5 players in the January window although it will be a panic situation.

I initially thought a striker and maybe a winger wax all that was needed, but as each game passes I see more and more need for a central midfielder.  Nakamba gets a bit lost at times, Luiz is struggling to get up to speed, Hourihane is a defensive liability at times and Lansbury just isn't up to in the top flight unfortunately. 
Bringing in another 5 players would completely stuff us, I think. Too many to absorb in too short a time.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on December 15, 2019, 09:02:43 AM
I donít think Smith has to bring in loads of new players. I think he needs another striker (someone like Danny Ings) to play alongside Wesley or Davis in a 4-4-2 at home and a 4-5-1 away.
Iíd see the best line-up as being: Heaton - Guilbert Engels Mings (or Hause) Targett Ė Nakamba Grealish McGinn Hourihane Ė Wesley New Guy.
Away from home, Iíd bench Wesley and bring in Luiz.
Playing without wingers would mean we are more compact (utilising our skilful midfielders) and gives space for our 2 fullbacks to get down the line.
Doing this would being greater combativeness in MF, with the ability to break quickly or drop back as required. The New Guy would need to be a player who can work his nuts off when we are not in possession and can slip into the channels when we do have the ball. Oh, and he'd obviously need to be able to score goals.
Weíd need players to be passing and moving much more slickly and dynamically.
All of this is possible if Smith wants it to be, That will actually be the challenge.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: TelfordVilla on December 15, 2019, 09:05:58 AM
has anyone mentioned Sam Cosgrove of Aberdeen. Big unit, lone striker, scoring for fun and ready to throw in. Remember SJM before criticising scottish football.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2019, 09:22:10 AM
I can't see five players being signed. Smith has already spoke about the challenge of integrating all the new players (he mentioned it again in his presser before Sheffield United, contrasting his squad with Wilder's settled squad - so hey, if they beat us easily on Saturday, there's your reason).
Two in at most I would say.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 15, 2019, 09:26:58 AM
What we tend to forget is that we can afford to pay wages 3/4/5/6 x what players would earn in other European leagues.

We need 5 players in the January window although it will be a panic situation.

I initially thought a striker and maybe a winger wax all that was needed, but as each game passes I see more and more need for a central midfielder.  Nakamba gets a bit lost at times, Luiz is struggling to get up to speed, Hourihane is a defensive liability at times and Lansbury just isn't up to in the top flight unfortunately. 
Bringing in another 5 players would completely stuff us, I think. Too many to absorb in too short a time.

Agree that we wouldn't need as many as five, but I do think we need a striker, winger and central midfielder. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on December 15, 2019, 09:29:14 AM
Agree about central midfield. Weíve bought a lot of similar players and still lack the kind of proper midfield destroyer we desperately need to unleash SJM and JG. Thatís almost as bad an oversight from the summer as the fact we bet the farm on one striker.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 15, 2019, 09:37:43 AM
Agree about central midfield. Weíve bought a lot of similar players and still lack the kind of proper midfield destroyer we desperately need to unleash SJM and JG. Thatís almost as bad an oversight from the summer as the fact we bet the farm on one striker.

I don't think the recruitment in central midfield was too bad in the summer, it is just that Luiz has struggled to get up to speed so far.  That's understandable seeing as he apparently didn't have a preseason, but it has left us a bit short in there, especially as Lansbury and Hourihane aren't really up to it in that kind of role.

What we really need is a solid option in there who we can then fit others around. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 15, 2019, 09:43:56 AM
I think we need a dirty little bastard up front. Got a feeling we'll rue the decision not to splash the extra cash on Maupay when we had the chance.
I think the interplay between him, Grealish and McGinn would have been the answer.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 15, 2019, 09:47:37 AM
Seems a really odd decision now, especially when you think about him signing Jota and Konsa. He would have added a lot more movement and shithousery up front.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:53:24 AM
Need an experienced defensive midfielder but Iím not sure thatís a Dean Smith preference as he seems to like more mobile footballers.  Iím not sure who Iíd want though.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 15, 2019, 10:03:10 AM
We were crying out for a dcm especially after whelan left. We bring 2 internationals in for that position and we still aren't happy. How many dcm's do we want and is that position becoming the equivalent of right back under bruce where we just fill the team with dcm's?
If it's a question of bringing in another dcm to unleash McGinn, perhaps super John needs to return to his early season form (before talk of manure) to see the best of him again and players around him.
A striker is definitely needed, perhaps a speedy winger who can cross a ball and someone who can replace either McGinn or Grealish especially when the former is off form or Jack is out injured.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 15, 2019, 10:04:28 AM
I saw Nzonzi play the other day, he's in Turkey on loan from Roma. Someone of his ilk would be a good short term solution.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on December 15, 2019, 10:05:46 AM
I donít know about luiz. I donít think weíve seen the best of him but I also donít think heís that kind of player. Heís got nice touch, tidy feet and good at ball recycling but heís also slow and not very physical and his passing is hit and miss.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: supertom on December 15, 2019, 10:49:52 AM
I donít know about luiz. I donít think weíve seen the best of him but I also donít think heís that kind of player. Heís got nice touch, tidy feet and good at ball recycling but heís also slow and not very physical and his passing is hit and miss.
He's Carlos Sanchez!

BING BING BING!  'Is the correct answer, Jenny, show him what he's won...'
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 15, 2019, 10:57:03 AM
We were crying out for a dcm especially after whelan left. We bring 2 internationals in for that position and we still aren't happy. How many dcm's do we want and is that position becoming the equivalent of right back under bruce where we just fill the team with dcm's?
If it's a question of bringing in another dcm to unleash McGinn, perhaps super John needs to return to his early season form (before talk of manure) to see the best of him again and players around him.
A striker is definitely needed, perhaps a speedy winger who can cross a ball and someone who can replace either McGinn or Grealish especially when the former is off form or Jack is out injured.

We are going to need two DM's in some games and with Luiz struggling a bit and Hourihane and Lansbury not really up to the job, we don't have too many options. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: TonyD on December 15, 2019, 11:02:47 AM
Yep we definitely need a leg breaker type in midfield so McGinn and Jack can play together in the middle.  And we need TWO strikers.  Maybe a buy and a loan.  And someone to replace Targett.  And Dean to change.   If all this happens we will be pushing for Europe....
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 15, 2019, 11:15:11 AM
We still carry players like Lansbury in our squad, if they are not good enough get rid.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 15, 2019, 11:19:56 AM
Yep we definitely need a leg breaker type in midfield so McGinn and Jack can play together in the middle.  And we need TWO strikers.  Maybe a buy and a loan.  And someone to replace Targett.  And Dean to change.   If all this happens we will be pushing for Europe....

We signed two defensive midfielders in Nakamba and Luiz, paid over £25m for the pair of them, and now it turns out that neither of them are really up to the task.  Pitarch should be getting just as much of a squeaky bum as Smith to be honest.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on December 15, 2019, 11:25:45 AM
Yep we definitely need a leg breaker type in midfield so McGinn and Jack can play together in the middle.  And we need TWO strikers.  Maybe a buy and a loan.  And someone to replace Targett.  And Dean to change.   If all this happens we will be pushing for Europe....

We signed two defensive midfielders in Nakamba and Luiz, paid over £25m for the pair of them, and now it turns out that neither of them are really up to the task.  Pitarch should be getting just as much of a squeaky bum as Smith to be honest.
Or, the two we brought in have not yet fully acclimatised to the new league (not that I see Luiz as a destroyer; more of a play break-up player; a pass-and-move sort of guy).
As I said above, I'd play thre midfield in a different way, to make use of what we have got.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 15, 2019, 11:39:20 AM
Lots of talk about what type of player we need. Are there any actual names linked? Not that I'll have heard of any of them I expect, a bit like all our signings in the summer!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2019, 11:59:22 AM
How's Veretout doing, can we take him back?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 15, 2019, 12:53:24 PM
How's Veretout doing, can we take him back?

I'd imagine that he'd sooner go to Partick Thistle than come back here.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 15, 2019, 01:03:20 PM
Yep we definitely need a leg breaker type in midfield so McGinn and Jack can play together in the middle.  And we need TWO strikers.  Maybe a buy and a loan.  And someone to replace Targett.  And Dean to change.   If all this happens we will be pushing for Europe....

We signed two defensive midfielders in Nakamba and Luiz, paid over £25m for the pair of them, and now it turns out that neither of them are really up to the task.  Pitarch should be getting just as much of a squeaky bum as Smith to be honest.

Nakamba has looked decent enough Risso, but has just been overrun at times with little help.  It is hard to make judgement in Luiz as by all accounts he had no preseason and is probably still playing catch up as a result. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 15, 2019, 01:32:16 PM
Morelos sent off again 😂
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2019, 02:05:48 PM
I donít know about luiz. I donít think weíve seen the best of him but I also donít think heís that kind of player. Heís got nice touch, tidy feet and good at ball recycling but heís also slow and not very physical and his passing is hit and miss.

His work rate without the ball is diabolical.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 15, 2019, 02:34:01 PM
In contrast Wolves midfield for all their technical ability really do work their bollocks off without the ball. And this I think is their 30th game of the season. They donít have the biggest squad but it is so well drilled by the manager and staff.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 15, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
In contrast Wolves midfield for all their technical ability really do work their bollocks off without the ball. And this I think is their 30th game of the season. They donít have the biggest squad but it is so well drilled by the manager and staff.

Agree TV, but Neves and Moutinho are quality players.  As for formations, Wolves are like Sheffield United in that they have found a system that works for them and have developed it over a coupke of seasons.  We haven't had a system that has looked convincing for years. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 15, 2019, 04:33:14 PM
Douglas Luiz is talented, but heís clearly a playmaker type as opposed to a ball winner.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: David_Nab on December 15, 2019, 04:52:43 PM
In contrast Wolves midfield for all their technical ability really do work their bollocks off without the ball. And this I think is their 30th game of the season. They donít have the biggest squad but it is so well drilled by the manager and staff.

Agree TV, but Neves and Moutinho are quality players.  As for formations, Wolves are like Sheffield United in that they have found a system that works for them and have developed it over a coupke of seasons.  We haven't had a system that has looked convincing for years. 

System one issue the other is players not performing for 90 mins , never mind putting a few decent games together especially in MF.Houriane excellent against Newcastle , hopeless against Chelsea ..Luiz comes on looks decent starts next game and is poor .

At the moment Wes lack of goals and defence conceding looks like we have issues there where as I think the MF is contributing alot to these issues.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on December 15, 2019, 05:09:24 PM
Douglas Luiz is talented, but heís clearly a playmaker type as opposed to a ball winner.

Thatís the thing, you could make a decent argument that trezeguet, jota, luiz, SJM, hourihane, marvelous, although they are all different players, are all best in that no. 10 position, which is mad when you consider that A. we have jack and B. we only bought one striker.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2019, 05:18:24 PM
Morelos sent off again 😂

You still would though?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 15, 2019, 05:44:15 PM
Douglas Luiz is talented, but heís clearly a playmaker type as opposed to a ball winner.
His attitude is like he is expecting the call from Pep..
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 15, 2019, 05:46:59 PM
Douglas Luiz is talented, but heís clearly a playmaker type as opposed to a ball winner.
His attitude is like he is expecting the call from Pep..

Or to get sent out on loan somewhere warmer.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dave on December 15, 2019, 06:49:56 PM
How's Veretout doing, can we take him back?

Playing every game for Roma having joined them in the summer for 20m euros.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 15, 2019, 07:21:53 PM
Morelos sent off again 😂

You still would though?

No, but I would Edouard, much better player & scores in big games
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 15, 2019, 08:24:42 PM
Wasn't he Larry Grayson's mate?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2019, 11:30:08 PM
Douglas Luiz is talented, but heís clearly a playmaker type as opposed to a ball winner.

That might be the case but to be a competitive midfielder in this division you need to be able to do both. I was watching Souness giving analysis on the Spurs player Lo Celso v Bayern during the week and he made the point that modern midfielders need to run as fast getting back as they do going forward. Called Lo Celso out for making a risible effort getting back for one of the Bayern goals and how he wouldn't get a look in under Mourinho if he didn't buck up his ideas. He would have a field day analysing our midfielders without the ball, all of them to be honest.

As far as I can make out, Luiz was bought to ultimately replace Hourihane in the team and be a deep lying playmaker getting the ball off the back. But he also seemed to have a good engine and would be able to press the opposition. He is young and had a limited pre season with us but his efforts without the ball are getting worse. Absymal sub appearance at the weekend where he was no better than the painfully limited Lansbury. Maybe that's where we are lacking those experienced pros in the dressing room to call that out.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 15, 2019, 11:56:14 PM
Our players appear lazy without the ball, there is little movement to make space, if they have the ball they pass it off and then play statues. The one exception to this is Grealish and that's why he stands out in this side.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 16, 2019, 12:02:51 AM
Our players appear lazy without the ball, there is little movement to make space, if they have the ball they pass it off and then play statues. The one exception to this is Grealish and that's why he stands out in this side.

Not that I disagree, but we've been saying this about our players for as long as I've been reading about us online.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 16, 2019, 09:15:02 AM
Iíve said before but I think Luiz is a player for the summer months. Best game Iíve seen him have was against the Wolves kids in LC, where he ran the show as he should against a bunch of youngsters. But even then he lost the ball in midfield for their goal and rolled around seemingly hurt rather than make any effort to get back, he was up 2 mins later ok to carry on. He has undoubted ability, but for me is far away from being ready for the physical battle of English football. Hourihane can be good for a game then disappears for the next two, but I tend to think he has a bit of grit and passion and grealish plays better when heís in the team.

I would try and have some consistency with Nakamba a regular in front of back 4, McGinn and grealish in the middle and Hourihane on the left, with either of trez or el ghazi on the right.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 16, 2019, 09:18:12 AM
I see Newcastle are heavily linked with Jared Bowen I hope we are in for him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 16, 2019, 10:24:21 AM
I see Newcastle are heavily linked with Jared Bowen I hope we are in for him.

I hope so too
Villa rejected him as a kid hopefully he'll come back.
Made a great effort at Hereford and has villa connections so hoping he gets persuaded providing villa interested.
Smith could certainly bring him straight in and be a much needed asset
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: manic-road on December 16, 2019, 11:35:33 AM
Wasn't he Larry Grayson's mate?

Slack Alice?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 16, 2019, 11:51:45 AM
I see Newcastle are heavily linked with Jared Bowen I hope we are in for him.

Steve Bruce just having a quick look at who's top of the championship scoring charts and deciding to bid 12m for them, surely not...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on December 16, 2019, 01:32:13 PM
Interesting / depressing story in the Athletic that Delle Alli was at Bodymoor Heath with his family on the last day of the January 2015 transfer window, all ready to sign for Villa. They were unimpressed that Paul Lambert wasnít there in person so when Spurs came in at the last minute, he changed his mind.

What a shambles we were then.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2019, 01:46:50 PM
I see Newcastle are heavily linked with Jared Bowen I hope we are in for him.

Steve Bruce just having a quick look at who's top of the championship scoring charts and deciding to bid 12m for them, surely not...
Right now we're not in a great position to be casting aspersions at Bruce.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2019, 01:51:41 PM
Where we are or what we're doing has zero bearing on our views of Bruce.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2019, 02:03:00 PM
Where we are or what we're doing has zero bearing on our views of Bruce.
Well, when casing insults at his abilities the fact that he's doing somewhat better than the progressive manager we all wanted does have relevance.  Lots of us thought and hoped Newcastle would drop like a stone, they were in complete disarray and had just appointed a dinosaur.  But like it or not right now he is getting some decent results (despite a massively under firing expensive striker) and proving a bit more canny than people expected.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 16, 2019, 02:04:05 PM
Interesting / depressing story in the Athletic that Delle Alli was at Bodymoor Heath with his family on the last day of the January 2015 transfer window, all ready to sign for Villa. They were unimpressed that Paul Lambert wasnít there in person so when Spurs came in at the last minute, he changed his mind.

What a shambles we were then.

Do you think having met him he'd have made any difference.

Tell us about your footballing philosophy Paul?

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2019, 02:06:17 PM
No it doesn't.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2019, 02:10:18 PM
No it doesn't.
Well it clearly does, but whatever.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2019, 02:16:12 PM
It clearly doesn't.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: paul_e on December 16, 2019, 02:17:34 PM
All it really shows is Bruce doing what he does. Turn up somewhere, do very little coaching or scouting, just throw a few expensive signings into the group and let them work out what to do for themselves. Newcastle have a handful of good, experienced players and they're doing just enough to keep them out of danger. However they won't see much improvement from their squad and every window he'll throw a few more new players into the mix with little regard for the impact they'll have and the team cohesion will slowly erode and he'll get the sack. The only clubs where this hasn't happened are the ones where he's walked out before he had time to make too much mess.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2019, 02:21:17 PM
You're probably right Paul.  I'd just be more comfortable laughing at his abilities when were looking down at him not up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on December 16, 2019, 02:23:41 PM
Surely Bruce deserves some credit for their decent position at the moment regardless of the legacy he leaves clubs with.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2019, 02:29:24 PM
And that's what I meant when I said where we are has no bearing. People will think what they do of Bruce regardless of what we're doing.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 16, 2019, 03:39:31 PM
Yep we definitely need a leg breaker type in midfield so McGinn and Jack can play together in the middle.  And we need TWO strikers.  Maybe a buy and a loan.  And someone to replace Targett.  And Dean to change.   If all this happens we will be pushing for Europe....

Like me Dean Smith isn't interested in footballers who got round breaking legs.
Its glaringly and grossly a  brash suggestion in today's football game.
If you're maybe talking about some time of enforcement could be wise however such foul play being approved by football fans is not what we want to read or hear.
I don't think Dean Smith way of football and today's game is suited to your out dated view of leg breakers.
That's very insensitive and I had to say something.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Bad English on December 16, 2019, 03:41:24 PM
I think we need a cold-blooded murderer in midfield. FTFU!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 16, 2019, 03:57:48 PM
Yep we definitely need a leg breaker type in midfield so McGinn and Jack can play together in the middle.  And we need TWO strikers.  Maybe a buy and a loan.  And someone to replace Targett.  And Dean to change.   If all this happens we will be pushing for Europe....

Like me Dean Smith isn't interested in footballers who got round breaking legs.
Its glaringly and grossly a  brash suggestion in today's football game.
If you're maybe talking about some time of enforcement could be wise however such foul play being approved by football fans is not what we want to read or hear.
I don't think Dean Smith way of football and today's game is suited to your out dated view of leg breakers.
That's very insensitive and I had to say something.


Christ almighty, he didn't mean somebody who actually wants to break somebody's leg.  He means a midfielder enforcer who's great at winning the ball and isn't scared of the physical side of the game.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Flin5tone on December 16, 2019, 09:29:19 PM
If the owners are as rich as everyone says let's go and bring in zlatan til the end of the season. Give him what he wants
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 16, 2019, 09:40:11 PM
I really hate him, though. ☹
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2019, 11:48:11 PM
Quote
There certainly won't be a raft of players, it'll be fine-tuning if anything," Smith confirmed. "We made 12 signings in the summer and I've seen enough of them to see they're progressing as a team and getting better.

"At the moment weíre having discussions of possibilities. But thatís all they are."

"At the moment, we've got two players for each position," he said, looking ahead to January 1.

"It's hard enough for the players who aren't playing regular but, as I've said before, it's their job to keep me happy not the other way around because they've got to be pushing for a place in the team.

"I'm always open to additions to better the squad. They've got to be better than what you've got.

"A conversation myself, Christian (Purslow) and (sporting director) Suso have had when we're looking at additions is they've got to be better than what we've already got.

"We're continuing to do that (improving players), that's the ethos of the club, players wanting to learn and get better. We're working daily to help them improve and I'm seeing improvement individually and the team as a whole.

"If Suso comes to me and says I've got a player and we go, 'Wow!' - obviously you're silly not to explore that further."
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on December 17, 2019, 01:05:30 AM
I really hate him, though. ☹
X 2
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 17, 2019, 06:33:12 AM
Not sure which players are improving.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 17, 2019, 07:03:13 AM
Not sure which players are improving.

Our opponents tend to look better against us than anyone else. Look at those c***s Chelsea, for instance...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 17, 2019, 07:07:21 AM
Not sure which players are improving.

Our opponents tend to look better against us than anyone else. Look at those c***s Chelsea, for instance...
Well we were up against ......... has been used quite a few times after some chastening defeats.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 17, 2019, 07:16:20 AM
Sorry but that's a load of bollocks from DS, I know he has to be diplomatic but to say we have two players for each spot means nothing if the players selected are playing poorly but you can't replace them because the player waiting in the wings is even worse.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 17, 2019, 07:37:53 AM
I hope he's just being diplomatic because if he really thinks we don't need improving then we are in trouble. Not signing another striker means we will be visiting The Sty next season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 17, 2019, 07:38:46 AM
Is FFP a factor On who, if anyone we buy in January
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 17, 2019, 07:39:58 AM
I hope he's just being diplomatic because if he really thinks we don't need improving then we are in trouble. Not signing another striker means we will be visiting The Sty next season.

I suspect and hope he is, it is a worry though, if thatís what he really thinks
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 17, 2019, 08:01:01 AM
Theyíll have targets like everyone else.
Just not showing his hand thatís all.
DS will be well aware of the situation.
A lot of people on here are already giving up on the guy while heís going through his first true test.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 17, 2019, 08:42:29 AM
Are they old quotes from Dean?  Because we seem to have gone backwards, or at the very least, stalled, recently.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 17, 2019, 08:49:04 AM
I always find my team at work improves massively when I loudly, so that they can all hear, tell another manager that my gang are wank, just arent doing it and that I'd much prefer their individuals instead. The work ethic and productivity sees exponential increases after such public outbursts.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote
There certainly won't be a raft of players, it'll be fine-tuning if anything," Smith confirmed. "We made 12 signings in the summer and I've seen enough of them to see they're progressing as a team and getting better.

"At the moment weíre having discussions of possibilities. But thatís all they are."

"At the moment, we've got two players for each position," he said, looking ahead to January 1.

"It's hard enough for the players who aren't playing regular but, as I've said before, it's their job to keep me happy not the other way around because they've got to be pushing for a place in the team.

"I'm always open to additions to better the squad. They've got to be better than what you've got.

"A conversation myself, Christian (Purslow) and (sporting director) Suso have had when we're looking at additions is they've got to be better than what we've already got.

"We're continuing to do that (improving players), that's the ethos of the club, players wanting to learn and get better. We're working daily to help them improve and I'm seeing improvement individually and the team as a whole.

"If Suso comes to me and says I've got a player and we go, 'Wow!' - obviously you're silly not to explore that further."

I'll be playing with 40+ year olds at five aside tonight that would be an improvement on Wesley.  Sticking a pin in a list of strikers from League 1 and 2 would yield similar results.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 17, 2019, 01:02:56 PM
I don't think it's just a forward we need.  We really need some midfield control too.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Des Little on December 17, 2019, 01:08:02 PM
The importance of January's window won't be lost on the owners/board.  i fully expect them to do absolutely the right thing to help us stay up. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2019, 01:23:04 PM
Agreed Des. Dean Smith has to say certain things publicly. But even a blind man can see Wesley so far hasnít worked out so far. Maybe heíll come good in time but right now we simply cannot continue to gamble on him. Kodjia is clearly just an emergency back up and no more. We simply must add a couple of quality players in January. The consequences of not doing so will pale into insignificance vs the cost of relegation.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 17, 2019, 08:32:00 PM
Interesting / depressing story in the Athletic that Delle Alli was at Bodymoor Heath with his family on the last day of the January 2015 transfer window, all ready to sign for Villa. They were unimpressed that Paul Lambert wasnít there in person so when Spurs came in at the last minute, he changed his mind.

What a shambles we were then.

I am told from someone within MK Dons that we offered more money than Spurs too.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: jwarry on December 18, 2019, 06:07:36 PM
Seems Dean not offering Kodj a new contract at end of season and would prefer to sell him in Jan, suggesting heís keen to get a striker in
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ktvillan on December 18, 2019, 07:34:32 PM
Smith can only be diplomatic in that situation I suppose.  It must be that because anyone can see we aren't improving as a team and many aren't improving individually.  We've actually got worse recently and it wouldn't take a great deal to find "better than we have" for someone like Trezeguet for example, and, some would argue, Wesley, Targett and Taylor, maybe even AEG who too often goes missing. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 19, 2019, 07:29:24 AM
we have to  improve our chances of survival, especially up front, so one or two players must come in. I don't mind if they are loans, with or without an option to buy. We have to do everything we can to stay up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 20, 2019, 08:15:19 AM
Iíd be looking at Shaqiri from Liverpool add more creativity and goals from out wide. Hardly played this season and now Liverpool are about to sign the player from Salzburg who plays all across the front heís less likely to get a game.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 20, 2019, 08:16:57 AM
I'm not sure he offers much up top with those small and humble breasts.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 20, 2019, 08:22:13 AM
I'm not sure he offers much up top with those small and humble breasts.

I think youíll find theyíre more like mountains
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Bad English on December 20, 2019, 05:07:47 PM
Shit thread title FFS!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Damo70 on December 20, 2019, 05:24:57 PM
Iíd be looking at Shaqiri from Liverpool add more creativity and goals from out wide. Hardly played this season and now Liverpool are about to sign the player from Salzburg who plays all across the front heís less likely to get a game.

I wouldn't mind Shaqiri but ideally just on loan. He ended up being pretty unpopular for not always pulling his weight at Stoke. I think we have enough goals in the side already regarding the midfield and wingers. What we need in the window is a real goalscorer, ideally two. Even if we have to use the loan market.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 20, 2019, 07:21:34 PM
Emre Can can't get into his team.  Wouldn't be a bad signing.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: GarTomas on December 20, 2019, 09:04:43 PM
A very talented player.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 20, 2019, 10:04:49 PM
Iíd be looking at Shaqiri from Liverpool add more creativity and goals from out wide. Hardly played this season and now Liverpool are about to sign the player from Salzburg who plays all across the front heís less likely to get a game.

I wouldn't mind Shaqiri but ideally just on loan. He ended up being pretty unpopular for not always pulling his weight at Stoke. I think we have enough goals in the side already regarding the midfield and wingers. What we need in the window is a real goalscorer, ideally two. Even if we have to use the loan market.

Think if we're going to go for a wide player then we would probably need a bit of pace out there and someone who is going to work up and down the line if we are to continue with the same formation.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2019, 10:58:14 PM
Iíd be looking at Shaqiri from Liverpool add more creativity and goals from out wide. Hardly played this season and now Liverpool are about to sign the player from Salzburg who plays all across the front heís less likely to get a game.

I wouldn't mind Shaqiri but ideally just on loan. He ended up being pretty unpopular for not always pulling his weight at Stoke.

He has a lot of weight to pull in fairness, all bum and breasticles.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Fred Crump on December 20, 2019, 11:09:24 PM
A very talented player.
Who does he (not) play for these days?I thought he was very good at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
Surely worth looking at ?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 20, 2019, 11:36:25 PM
I think I read it was Juventus Fred.  Was on the BBC gossip column this morning.  I have always thought he was a talented player and someone at the right sort of age who might do well for us.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dougs Socks on December 21, 2019, 02:01:12 AM

Two loans with a view to buy if we stay up. Striker and the Brentford lad. Grealish moves inside with a more offensive McGinn.  Bit of shit about Luiz, however...i think a commanding central midfielder may also be on the cards.

Three clever deals in, plus a couple of outgoings.

FFP is then remedied, we sign the loans because we have survived, and then we go for the 1 or 2 in the summer that will transform us.

Anyhow, it seems the house is on fire..but hey!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 21, 2019, 03:11:40 AM

Two loans with a view to buy if we stay up. Striker and the Brentford lad. Grealish moves inside with a more offensive McGinn.  Bit of shit about Luiz, however...i think a commanding central midfielder may also be on the cards.

Three clever deals in, plus a couple of outgoings.

FFP is then remedied, we sign the loans because we have survived, and then we go for the 1 or 2 in the summer that will transform us.

Anyhow, it seems the house is on fire..but hey!
Titmus
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villabear on December 21, 2019, 07:44:45 AM

Two loans with a view to buy if we stay up. Striker and the Brentford lad. Grealish moves inside with a more offensive McGinn.  Bit of shit about Luiz, however...i think a commanding central midfielder may also be on the cards.

Three clever deals in, plus a couple of outgoings.

FFP is then remedied, we sign the loans because we have survived, and then we go for the 1 or 2 in the summer that will transform us.

Anyhow, it seems the house is on fire..but hey!
Titmus
Seconded
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Fred Crump on December 21, 2019, 07:51:26 AM
Titimus lol.
I rather miss dear old ALF and his RANDOM rants using  :o emojis and CAPITALS. He and Footyskillz were the masters of Buttery Ollocks and when they were in full flow it was like being in some weird hall of mirrors. Crazy but fun.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 22, 2019, 10:30:31 AM
If Snodgrass was available, I'd be bringing him back. Albrighton too. We need some solid pros in the squad who still have life left in their legs to lead the team in a relegation battle.. It's something we lost over the summer.

I severely doubt the likes of Whelan would have tolerated Grealish's lack of professionalism yesterday or AEG being constantly at fault for opposition goals by not doing his job.

The guys who werent good enough for us last season, Taylor, Lansbury and Kodjia to be let go.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 22, 2019, 10:34:12 AM
What's with the clamour to sign players who used to play for us?  There's an entire world's worth of players out there.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 22, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Good post Bronte.  We could do with a couple of good, solid pro's in the dressing room who have been doing it in the top league for a while.  We simply don't have anyone.  Mings and Grealish are great players but they lack experience at that level.  Heaton is the only other player I can think of who has any real Prem experience, even Chester lacks it.  We need people to be held to account on the pitch for their petulance, lack of tracking back, for ball watching etc.  Snodgrass and Albrighton would be a good start, regardless that they have played for us before, they are trustworthy and give their all.  I'd like Eric Dier, Emre Can too, for different reasons.

Taylor, Kodjia, Chester, Lansbury all made available.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: OzVilla on December 22, 2019, 10:42:39 AM
Thereís more chance of me making my debut for Villa than West Ham loaning Snoddy to us. 

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clampy on December 22, 2019, 10:46:04 AM
If Snodgrass was available, I'd be bringing him back. Albrighton too. We need some solid pros in the squad who still have life left in their legs to lead the team in a relegation battle.. It's something we lost over the summer.

I severely doubt the likes of Whelan would have tolerated Grealish's lack of professionalism yesterday or AEG being constantly at fault for opposition goals by not doing his job.

The guys who werent good enough for us last season, Taylor, Lansbury and Kodjia to be let go.

Out of  interest, what lack of professionalism do you mean regarding Jack?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 22, 2019, 10:46:22 AM
Thereís more chance of me making my debut for Villa than West Ham loaning Snoddy to us. 



Are you any quicker than Targett?  Can you slot in at left back?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Singapore Villa on December 22, 2019, 11:02:55 AM
If Snodgrass was available, I'd be bringing him back. Albrighton too. We need some solid pros in the squad who still have life left in their legs to lead the team in a relegation battle.. It's something we lost over the summer.

I severely doubt the likes of Whelan would have tolerated Grealish's lack of professionalism yesterday or AEG being constantly at fault for opposition goals by not doing his job.

The guys who werent good enough for us last season, Taylor, Lansbury and Kodjia to be let go.

Out of  interest, what lack of professionalism do you mean regarding Jack?

Yeah.  I am keen to understand that as well.

What I saw was a lad giving 100% to try and drag his team forward.  Yes, he was getting frustrated with the ref at times, but so was I... and 42k in Villa Park and everyone watching on TV!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 22, 2019, 12:06:19 PM
Thereís more chance of me making my debut for Villa than West Ham loaning Snoddy to us.

He has only 18 months left on his contract so should be gettable.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 22, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
We need an experienced holding player. Someone who can shore things up a bit and lead. A Premier League Whelan.

No names jump out to me tbh
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2019, 12:18:52 PM
We need an experienced holding player. Someone who can shore things up a bit and lead. A Premier League Whelan.

No names jump out to me tbh

Nemanja Matic comes to mind for me.

Not as quick as he used to be but vastly experienced and would add physical element to our midfield.

Inter and AC Milan looking at him though so that's the issue with trying to go after top level players.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 22, 2019, 12:22:56 PM
I suggested Matic a while back.  Older player but classy.  Against our principle of bringing younger players through, but then getting relegated is also hugely against our principles, or so I would think!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 22, 2019, 12:23:14 PM
If Snodgrass was available, I'd be bringing him back. Albrighton too. We need some solid pros in the squad who still have life left in their legs to lead the team in a relegation battle.. It's something we lost over the summer.

I severely doubt the likes of Whelan would have tolerated Grealish's lack of professionalism yesterday or AEG being constantly at fault for opposition goals by not doing his job.

The guys who werent good enough for us last season, Taylor, Lansbury and Kodjia to be let go.

Out of  interest, what lack of professionalism do you mean regarding Jack?

I'm a huge Jack Grealish fan as much as anyone on here. Also the buck ultimately stops with Dean Smith for the problems in the team not Grealish or any other individual. But Grealish is not a kid anymore, he is 24 years of age. He is also the captain of our team and with that comes responsibility.

His performance in the first half yesterday was diabolical in terms of leadership. Pure and utter petulance with everything going on around him. Berating the ref, getting into verbals with everyone else. We needed above all else a calm captain in that first half an hour when the game was lost. Someone to gee up the others around him, slow the game down and get us going. Grealish did none of that, an admittedly fine goal late on was only a consolation and shouldn't hide another very disappointing display. And as for that shite at the end lying on the pitch like a child might do, ffs spare me the dramatics. It's funny that Grealish's stats have improved recently but his performances are dropping like the rest of them.

Moving Grealish back to the centre may not be the answer either, he was completely ineffective in that role earlier in the season. Maybe a number 10 type role for a few games.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 22, 2019, 12:25:32 PM
I want some pace, with some pace and then some pace too. We could also do with some pace and if we can do it, and it might be tough, then we could try for some pace.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: levico on December 22, 2019, 12:44:39 PM
I want some pace, with some pace and then some pace too. We could also do with some pace and if we can do it, and it might be tough, then we could try for some pace.

Couldnít agree more. The guy sitting next to me yesterday was continually screaming about our pedestrian build up play. He was very annoying but absolutely correct.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: TonyD on December 22, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Probably looking at best part of £60m to stay up.  Two strikers, a proper defensive midfielder, and someone to replace Targett.
Can the owners do that considering the rumours about the fair spending etc?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: geolex on December 22, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
According to an article in the times (saturday) DS says that FFP isn't a problem  and he's not looking to ship players out and can bring players in if required
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on December 22, 2019, 01:45:27 PM
If required - lol.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2019, 02:43:42 PM
Just watching Osasuna-Real Soceidad. Great game, 3-4.

We have no chance getting likes of Odegaard or Alex Isak (one we should've targeted in the summer) but I like Chimy Avila upfront. Scored twice today and he works very hard and makes clever runs.

Sort of striker who'd do well in premier league imo so he could be a lower cost option to look at.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2019, 02:45:13 PM
I want some pace, with some pace and then some pace too. We could also do with some pace and if we can do it, and it might be tough, then we could try for some pace.

In the first few games Trez looked rapid, not sure what happened there. AEG is also fast when he gets going.

Problem at this level is we're too slow moving the ball from side to side unless Jack is doing the passing so they don't have the acres of space to run into.

Edit: if we're going to have players with pace we need a player in central midfield who can effortlessly hit first time passes out wide like Barry-Petrov combination could do for Young and Gabby out wide.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 22, 2019, 02:49:12 PM
We need two or three player's brought in the January window and they need to hit the ground running.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 22, 2019, 02:53:02 PM
A defense midfielder and a striker is the absolute minimum
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithe on December 22, 2019, 02:59:18 PM
Impressed with Basic, a Croat playing for Bordeaux. Left footed tall midfielder who carries the ball well. Looks like a younger, cheaper Matic.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy65 on December 22, 2019, 03:05:57 PM
I suggested Matic a while back.  Older player but classy.  Against our principle of bringing younger players through, but then getting relegated is also hugely against our principles, or so I would think!

God no. He canít get into the worst MU midfield in living memory. Makes Hourihane look fast. We donít need journeymen looking for their final pay off. Ditto, Pedro

Bowen from Hull please plus Mitrovic
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2019, 03:50:43 PM
According to an article in the times (saturday) DS says that FFP isn't a problem  and he's not looking to ship players out and can bring players in if required

It is very much required alongside some tactical ideas and willingness to change.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 22, 2019, 04:04:27 PM
Unless things pick up quick I can see the owners getting a new manager in. Been trying to think of who and what could be an option? Our guys are excellent business men, doubt they want to risk their investment at this stage with regards relegation.
Sure they will be ambitious with the profile if it were to happen, but who?
- Allegri (ambitious, profile, coup) - very unlikely
- Poch - as above
- Bielsa?
- Emery
- Blanc
- Solari
- Kovac
- Southgate
- Rafa

Struggling to think of a Ďlistí
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 22, 2019, 04:22:16 PM
Unless things pick up quick I can see the owners getting a new manager in. Been trying to think of who and what could be an option? Our guys are excellent business men, doubt they want to risk their investment at this stage with regards relegation.
Sure they will be ambitious with the profile if it were to happen, but who?
- Allegri (ambitious, profile, coup) - very unlikely
- Poch - as above
- Bielsa?
- Emery
- Blanc
- Solari
- Kovac
- Southgate
- Rafa

Struggling to think of a Ďlistí

Benitez is the obvious one. Family still living in Merseyside and it's a decent project to take on.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: David_Nab on December 22, 2019, 04:23:23 PM
Unless things pick up quick I can see the owners getting a new manager in. Been trying to think of who and what could be an option? Our guys are excellent business men, doubt they want to risk their investment at this stage with regards relegation.
Sure they will be ambitious with the profile if it were to happen, but who?
- Allegri (ambitious, profile, coup) - very unlikely
- Poch - as above
- Bielsa?
- Emery
- Blanc
- Solari
- Kovac
- Southgate
- Rafa

Struggling to think of a Ďlistí

Benitez is the obvious one. Family still living in Merseyside and it's a decent project to take on.

Him hating Purslow might be an issue
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on December 22, 2019, 05:24:14 PM
I want some pace, with some pace and then some pace too. We could also do with some pace and if we can do it, and it might be tough, then we could try for some pace.

In the first few games Trez looked rapid, not sure what happened there. AEG is also fast when he gets going.

Problem at this level is we're too slow moving the ball from side to side unless Jack is doing the passing so they don't have the acres of space to run into.

Edit: if we're going to have players with pace we need a player in central midfield who can effortlessly hit first time passes out wide like Barry-Petrov combination could do for Young and Gabby out wide.
This has been one of the key issues all season. Watch how Norwood does this so well for SheffU, for example.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2019, 05:27:47 PM
I want some pace, with some pace and then some pace too. We could also do with some pace and if we can do it, and it might be tough, then we could try for some pace.

In the first few games Trez looked rapid, not sure what happened there. AEG is also fast when he gets going.

Problem at this level is we're too slow moving the ball from side to side unless Jack is doing the passing so they don't have the acres of space to run into.

Edit: if we're going to have players with pace we need a player in central midfield who can effortlessly hit first time passes out wide like Barry-Petrov combination could do for Young and Gabby out wide.
This has been one of the key issues all season. Watch how Norwood does this so well for SheffU, for example.

I do think over time Luiz could develop into a nice continuity midfielder but he has real lapses in concentration and positioning so still very green at this level.

Hourihane can sometimes do it but that's generally against teams who just stand off him (Newcastle) There's not many teams in this league who do that.

Lots of work to do in January, much more than I was ideally hoping.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2019, 05:32:39 PM
I want some pace, with some pace and then some pace too. We could also do with some pace and if we can do it, and it might be tough, then we could try for some pace.

In the first few games Trez looked rapid, not sure what happened there. AEG is also fast when he gets going.

Problem at this level is we're too slow moving the ball from side to side unless Jack is doing the passing so they don't have the acres of space to run into.

Edit: if we're going to have players with pace we need a player in central midfield who can effortlessly hit first time passes out wide like Barry-Petrov combination could do for Young and Gabby out wide.
This has been one of the key issues all season. Watch how Norwood does this so well for SheffU, for example.

I do think over time Luiz could develop into a nice continuity midfielder but he has real lapses in concentration and positioning so still very green at this level.

Hourihane can sometimes do it but that's generally against teams who just stand off him (Newcastle) There's not many teams in this league who do that.

Lots of work to do in January, much more than I was ideally hoping.

I think thatís it. Luiz has plenty of talent, but should be being bedded in.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: David_Nab on December 22, 2019, 05:37:47 PM
I want some pace, with some pace and then some pace too. We could also do with some pace and if we can do it, and it might be tough, then we could try for some pace.

In the first few games Trez looked rapid, not sure what happened there. AEG is also fast when he gets going.

Problem at this level is we're too slow moving the ball from side to side unless Jack is doing the passing so they don't have the acres of space to run into.

Edit: if we're going to have players with pace we need a player in central midfield who can effortlessly hit first time passes out wide like Barry-Petrov combination could do for Young and Gabby out wide.
This has been one of the key issues all season. Watch how Norwood does this so well for SheffU, for example.

I do think over time Luiz could develop into a nice continuity midfielder but he has real lapses in concentration and positioning so still very green at this level.

Hourihane can sometimes do it but that's generally against teams who just stand off him (Newcastle) There's not many teams in this league who do that.

Lots of work to do in January, much more than I was ideally hoping.

Yes their are flashes from Luiz that show he has something about him but he is still adapting , he like a few others if we can stay up will be better next year the problem is staying up which is why short term proven players are a must this window.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 22, 2019, 10:13:04 PM
With John McGinn injured the time is to get in Jared Bowne and add in Kelvin Phillips a move which would have been good in summer.
Would be good to get these deal in the window.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2019, 10:41:46 PM
I thought you said Kevin Philips!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: OzVilla on December 23, 2019, 12:04:28 AM
Why would Leeds, in the position that theyíre in currently, and Kelvin Phillips for that matter join us right now. If we were going to sign him it was last summer not now. You may as well say sign Harry Kane.

We need a proven striker, a proven PL performer or someone from overseas that plays in a top league. Thatís just for starters. Wishlist striker would be Timo Werner from RB Leipzig, he knows were the back of the net is but could we get him and go 2 up top with Wes?  Heíd cost the thick end of 60 million but heíd get goals and keep us up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 23, 2019, 12:16:59 AM
I want some pace, with some pace and then some pace too. We could also do with some pace and if we can do it, and it might be tough, then we could try for some pace.

In the first few games Trez looked rapid, not sure what happened there. AEG is also fast when he gets going.

Problem at this level is we're too slow moving the ball from side to side unless Jack is doing the passing so they don't have the acres of space to run into.

Edit: if we're going to have players with pace we need a player in central midfield who can effortlessly hit first time passes out wide like Barry-Petrov combination could do for Young and Gabby out wide.
This has been one of the key issues all season. Watch how Norwood does this so well for SheffU, for example.

I do think over time Luiz could develop into a nice continuity midfielder but he has real lapses in concentration and positioning so still very green at this level.

Hourihane can sometimes do it but that's generally against teams who just stand off him (Newcastle) There's not many teams in this league who do that.

Lots of work to do in January, much more than I was ideally hoping.

I think thatís it. Luiz has plenty of talent, but should be being bedded in.

Looked great on Tuesday night against an U23 side where the game was slowed and he could impose himself physically.  Top flight football is a bit too quick for him at the moment and he always seems rushed.  Doesn't look like he could can do a job as an attacking or defensive midfielder at this point. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 23, 2019, 01:53:44 AM
It's not many years back when we were in a very similar position we spent a small fortune on a proven centre forward who banged them in and turned our fortunes around. Again please.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: geolex on December 23, 2019, 05:25:58 AM
just to point out  "if required " are his words not mine
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 23, 2019, 07:43:24 AM
Mad as a box of frogs Bielsa would certainly lead to a fitter squad and be the ultimate freewheeling appointment.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on December 23, 2019, 08:12:05 AM
Why would Leeds, in the position that theyíre in currently, and Kelvin Phillips for that matter join us right now. If we were going to sign him it was last summer not now. You may as well say sign Harry Kane.

We need a proven striker, a proven PL performer or someone from overseas that plays in a top league. Thatís just for starters. Wishlist striker would be Timo Werner from RB Leipzig, he knows were the back of the net is but could we get him and go 2 up top with Wes?  Heíd cost the thick end of 60 million but heíd get goals and keep us up.

Sadly, I donít think weíre going to sign Germanyís first choice striker and probably the best young striker on the planet
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 23, 2019, 08:28:55 AM
He's a maniac but I'd have Bielsa in a heartbeat. He wouldn't have us though. I'd say he's entirely confident about getting Leeds up, and since it's his team he'll fancy he can keep them up. He'd probably look at our XI and see a lot less hope, and I don't see him being the type to join a club midway through a season when he has a chance of winning a league where he is.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 23, 2019, 08:59:21 AM
Bloody hell.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on December 23, 2019, 09:00:01 AM
Wut?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: OzVilla on December 23, 2019, 10:14:59 AM
Why would Leeds, in the position that theyíre in currently, and Kelvin Phillips for that matter join us right now. If we were going to sign him it was last summer not now. You may as well say sign Harry Kane.

We need a proven striker, a proven PL performer or someone from overseas that plays in a top league. Thatís just for starters. Wishlist striker would be Timo Werner from RB Leipzig, he knows were the back of the net is but could we get him and go 2 up top with Wes?  Heíd cost the thick end of 60 million but heíd get goals and keep us up.

Sadly, I donít think weíre going to sign Germanyís first choice striker and probably the best young striker on the planet

I did say wishlist. Heíll come to England eventually though as the difference between PL club income and Bundesliga income is sizeable. So should we stay up this is the type of player that takes us to the promised next level.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 23, 2019, 11:27:34 AM
Werner is superb, a young German Vardy type. I suspect he'll be at Bayern before too long.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 23, 2019, 11:36:22 AM
There's a Swedish striker called Robert Quaison who's come late ish onto the radar. 26 and only made his debut for Sweden last March but already scored 5 goals in 9 games for them.

I say him as he plays for Mainz and we were apparently tracking another striker for them in the summer but he got injured. Quaison scored a hat trick for Mainz in their 5-0 win at Werder Bremen just last week, 7 goals in 15 Bundesliga games so far this season.

Could be up and coming player worth a gamble on alongside more experienced striker coming in.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 23, 2019, 12:05:37 PM
Why would Leeds, in the position that theyíre in currently, and Kelvin Phillips for that matter join us right now. If we were going to sign him it was last summer not now. You may as well say sign Harry Kane.

We need a proven striker, a proven PL performer or someone from overseas that plays in a top league. Thatís just for starters. Wishlist striker would be Timo Werner from RB Leipzig, he knows were the back of the net is but could we get him and go 2 up top with Wes?  Heíd cost the thick end of 60 million but heíd get goals and keep us up.

Sadly, I donít think weíre going to sign Germanyís first choice striker and probably the best young striker on the planet

I did say wishlist. Heíll come to England eventually though as the difference between PL club income and Bundesliga income is sizeable. So should we stay up this is the type of player that takes us to the promised next level.

There are plenty of examples of players who did not do that, and opted to stay in Germany.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 23, 2019, 12:20:22 PM
Timo Wener is currently top scorer at club top of Bundesliga and playing a winnable round of 16 match in european cup in Feb.

He is not going to swop that for a relegation battle and club he probably knows little about (he was born two weeks before we won our last major trophy).

We need to find a good experienced striker out of favour at his present club and convince them. Any of the Chelsea lot, Pedro, batsuyahi or Giroud I'd be very happy with but again other good teams would be in for them.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 23, 2019, 12:26:39 PM
I have not been impressed with Batman any time I have seen him, an upgrade on Wes yes.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 23, 2019, 12:33:34 PM
I have not been impressed with Batman any time I have seen him, an upgrade on Wes yes.


He has flaws as a forward but he's in similar mould to Tammy.

Palace took him on loan last January. Scored 6 goals in 11 games. Palace won 5 of those games.

We get a decisive player like that in January, we'll stay up. It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 23, 2019, 12:37:58 PM
I have not been impressed with Batman any time I have seen him, an upgrade on Wes yes.


He has flaws as a forward but he's in similar mould to Tammy.

Palace took him on loan last January. Scored 6 goals in 11 games. Palace won 5 of those games.

We get a decisive player like that in January, we'll stay up. It's as simple as that.
Just going on what I have seen, not convinced.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 23, 2019, 12:42:45 PM
I have not been impressed with Batman any time I have seen him, an upgrade on Wes yes.


He has flaws as a forward but he's in similar mould to Tammy.

Palace took him on loan last January. Scored 6 goals in 11 games. Palace won 5 of those games.

We get a decisive player like that in January, we'll stay up. It's as simple as that.
Just going on what I have seen, not convinced.

Ideally we'd get in two new forwards this window. Another project/long term option and more of a Bent short fix option.

We'll probably let Kodjia go for a million or two and Davis will probably pick up more injuries so will remain very short upfront.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 23, 2019, 12:46:37 PM
I have not been impressed with Batman any time I have seen him, an upgrade on Wes yes.


He has flaws as a forward but he's in similar mould to Tammy.

Palace took him on loan last January. Scored 6 goals in 11 games. Palace won 5 of those games.

We get a decisive player like that in January, we'll stay up. It's as simple as that.
Just going on what I have seen, not convinced.

Ideally we'd get in two new forwards this window. Another project/long term option and more of a Bent short fix option.

We'll probably let Kodjia go for a million or two and Davis will probably pick up more injuries so will remain very short upfront.
Yes, in a word, desperate..
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: paul_e on December 23, 2019, 05:52:29 PM
The bigger problem is getting the ball moving quickly in midfield I know a lot of people have decided Wesley is the worst striker the club has ever had (or similar) but for me the bigger problem is that he either gets the ball pumped up at his head or he gets a couple of seconds too late. I don't know what we do in training but I haven't seen much sign of us forming into a confident team who know each other and are playing to their strengths.

Getting in a striker who can work with the broken build up we have and hold up the ball as a focal point would be a good idea (it's what Davis does and it's why he's looked like a good option in his little cameos). For me it's more about game management more than goals, which is also why we're conceding loads despite having decent defenders.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 23, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
The bigger problem is getting the ball moving quickly in midfield I know a lot of people have decided Wesley is the worst striker the club has ever had (or similar) but for me the bigger problem is that he either gets the ball pumped up at his head or he gets a couple of seconds too late. I don't know what we do in training but I haven't seen much sign of us forming into a confident team who know each other and are playing to their strengths.

Getting in a striker who can work with the broken build up we have and hold up the ball as a focal point would be a good idea (it's what Davis does and it's why he's looked like a good option in his little cameos). For me it's more about game management more than goals, which is also why we're conceding loads despite having decent defenders.

Not convinced that's true to be honest. It's pretty much the same midfield Tammy was playing infront of. We're not as effective as we were at Championship level but we still get territory, we just have a forward who doesn't make life difficult for defenders.

I'm not writing him off and hope he turns it round, but he is our biggest single problem at the moment.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AVH87 on December 23, 2019, 08:55:02 PM
Promising article about January:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/50894893

Doesn't sound like we are too worried about FFP currently.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 23, 2019, 09:11:09 PM
Why would Leeds, in the position that theyíre in currently, and Kelvin Phillips for that matter join us right now. If we were going to sign him it was last summer not now. You may as well say sign Harry Kane.

We need a proven striker, a proven PL performer or someone from overseas that plays in a top league. Thatís just for starters. Wishlist striker would be Timo Werner from RB Leipzig, he knows were the back of the net is but could we get him and go 2 up top with Wes?  Heíd cost the thick end of 60 million but heíd get goals and keep us up.

Kelvin Phillips was wanted in summer I think for £14 million but they wanted double that. Thought he went to play for Anderlecht and Kompany but that was Keymar Roofe and he left So  Phillips if money was right may come to Villa it's getting the fee with these things.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 23, 2019, 09:16:10 PM
The Phillips ship has sailed. For now, at least.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 23, 2019, 09:23:41 PM
We need an experienced holding player. Someone who can shore things up a bit and lead. A Premier League Whelan.

No names jump out to me tbh

Granit Xhaka
Adam Lallana

Lallana would be very interesting he's someone who can look after the ball and played as a deep lying midfielder for Liverpool in semi of World club cup .
Ultimately see him having to move away for regular playing time and If he wants to got o Euro 2020 then ideal . Similarly Xhaka may look for a new start and would have the steel that Villa need. Smith would just need to work on his discipline but both have good experience at this level.

I see Midfield at Villa a real weakness at the moment and that's costing games
Wanyama and Matic who was already mentioned the only other realistic players.

Mark Noble is to set in his ways at West ham though ideal but unlikely but Iwouldn't want a Jack Cork at Burnley
A compromise between those 2 would be Andrew Surman at Bournemy  but don't how much better than he is to what we have got though has a steady ability on the ball.

So for me I would go  Lallana .
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 23, 2019, 09:58:26 PM
We could really do with early deals so they can get stuck in.  Another three or four games wasted if they wait til the end of the window. Urgency required.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 23, 2019, 10:00:47 PM
We need an experienced holding player. Someone who can shore things up a bit and lead. A Premier League Whelan.

No names jump out to me tbh

Granit Xhaka
Adam Lallana

Lallana would be very interesting he's someone who can look after the ball and played as a deep lying midfielder for Liverpool in semi of World club cup .
Ultimately see him having to move away for regular playing time and If he wants to got o Euro 2020 then ideal . Similarly Xhaka may look for a new start and would have the steel that Villa need. Smith would just need to work on his discipline but both have good experience at this level.

I see Midfield at Villa a real weakness at the moment and that's costing games
Wanyama and Matic who was already mentioned the only other realistic players.

Mark Noble is to set in his ways at West ham though ideal but unlikely but Iwouldn't want a Jack Cork at Burnley
A compromise between those 2 would be Andrew Surman at Bournemy  but don't how much better than he is to what we have got though has a steady ability on the ball.

So for me I would go  Lallana .
Nonsense
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 23, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
I was talking to a disgruntled Spurs taxi driver earlier. He was moaning that Winks isn't getting a look in as he's not a 'Mourinho player'. No idea whether that's true, but if it is, a loan for him to play at the base of midfield would gruntle me.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: paul_e on December 23, 2019, 11:42:05 PM
The bigger problem is getting the ball moving quickly in midfield I know a lot of people have decided Wesley is the worst striker the club has ever had (or similar) but for me the bigger problem is that he either gets the ball pumped up at his head or he gets a couple of seconds too late. I don't know what we do in training but I haven't seen much sign of us forming into a confident team who know each other and are playing to their strengths.

Getting in a striker who can work with the broken build up we have and hold up the ball as a focal point would be a good idea (it's what Davis does and it's why he's looked like a good option in his little cameos). For me it's more about game management more than goals, which is also why we're conceding loads despite having decent defenders.

Not convinced that's true to be honest. It's pretty much the same midfield Tammy was playing infront of. We're not as effective as we were at Championship level but we still get territory, we just have a forward who doesn't make life difficult for defenders.

I'm not writing him off and hope he turns it round, but he is our biggest single problem at the moment.

but last season we were moving the ball quicker, and even at the start of this season as well but then we started getting a bit nervy and taking an extra touch or 2 and suddenly every team started to figure us out. Compare how we played at the weekend to the first few games of the season and we look a totally different team, now everything is tentative and played quite softly so there's loads of time for defenders to get in position to crowd players out or steal possession.

There's loads of comments about our lack of pace but I think it's more the lack of anticipation and understanding, we look slow in reaction more than flat out pace, to many players on their heels waiting for the guy on the ball to make a decision for them when they should be moving and creating space for him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 24, 2019, 07:34:17 AM
Bowen please, on January 1st. Plus some others.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 24, 2019, 10:29:37 AM
We really messed up not signing bowen and going for trezuget in my opinion. Id rather have had bowen over jota and trez combined
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: passitsideways on December 24, 2019, 11:06:23 AM
The bigger problem is getting the ball moving quickly in midfield I know a lot of people have decided Wesley is the worst striker the club has ever had (or similar) but for me the bigger problem is that he either gets the ball pumped up at his head or he gets a couple of seconds too late. I don't know what we do in training but I haven't seen much sign of us forming into a confident team who know each other and are playing to their strengths.

Getting in a striker who can work with the broken build up we have and hold up the ball as a focal point would be a good idea (it's what Davis does and it's why he's looked like a good option in his little cameos). For me it's more about game management more than goals, which is also why we're conceding loads despite having decent defenders.

Not convinced that's true to be honest. It's pretty much the same midfield Tammy was playing infront of. We're not as effective as we were at Championship level but we still get territory, we just have a forward who doesn't make life difficult for defenders.

I'm not writing him off and hope he turns it round, but he is our biggest single problem at the moment.

but last season we were moving the ball quicker, and even at the start of this season as well but then we started getting a bit nervy and taking an extra touch or 2 and suddenly every team started to figure us out. Compare how we played at the weekend to the first few games of the season and we look a totally different team, now everything is tentative and played quite softly so there's loads of time for defenders to get in position to crowd players out or steal possession.

There's loads of comments about our lack of pace but I think it's more the lack of anticipation and understanding, we look slow in reaction more than flat out pace, to many players on their heels waiting for the guy on the ball to make a decision for them when they should be moving and creating space for him.

Your last point is the key for me, although I actually don't think we're moving the ball through midfield that slowly, I think it looks that way because at the moment it's very easy for defences to follow as it's all happening in front of them, since practically none of the front three seem to make clever runs either in behind or into areas which force defenders into awkward decisions - we know Jack needs to come towards the ball so that he can make things happen, so he's no threat to run in behind, nor can Wesley, who can't even make a nuisance of himself in the box right now. That leaves just El Ghazi or Trezeguet, whoever's on the pitch, and neither of them are instinctive with their off-the-ball movement either. So, basically, it seems like all the defence has to do is watch us pass the ball around in the middle of the pitch, 15 yards from the edge of the box, and just wait for the right time to nick it or for us to mess it up ourselves. Then, even when the ball gets worked into decent positions out wide, there's no one who attacks the box with any particular threat.

We all know about Kodjia's issues, that he's pretty dismal at winning aerial duels or physical battles and that he has serious tunnel vision, but he at least has the ability to receive a ball played into his feet and then roll his marker if they get too aggressive or careless, and he offers at least some semblance of being able to run in behind - just look at the two corners he won prior to Jack's goal on the weekend, he actually made the defenders have to do something a little more than just pushing into Wesley until he fell over or gave the ball away. Whoever comes in January either has to offer that sort of mobility, or otherwise have that poacher's instinct to make up for it (Batshuayi falls in the latter category), and I think with McGinn out now, Grealish has to move back into midfield, to be replaced by a wideman who moves well without the ball, because right now all defenders have to worry about is whoever has the ball, not whoever could potentially receive the ball.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ktvillan on December 24, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
We really messed up not signing bowen and going for trezuget in my opinion. Id rather have had bowen over jota and trez combined

I'd rather have had Jim Bowen than Trezeguet.  But yes to Jarrod.  Another one I'd consider is McNeill at Burnley, puts some decent crosses in and works hard as well.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: andyh on December 24, 2019, 11:49:47 AM
Isnít one of our biggest issues lack of experience at this level?
I think Bowen is a great player, but look where he is playing.
Should we risk blowing a significant amount of money one someone who Ďcouldí make the step up at this time?
Truth is, we are in a relegation battle and desperately need some experience and nouse.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: kipeye on December 24, 2019, 12:10:43 PM
I was talking to a disgruntled Spurs taxi driver earlier. He was moaning that Winks isn't getting a look in as he's not a 'Mourinho player'. No idea whether that's true, but if it is, a loan for him to play at the base of midfield would gruntle me.
Doubt they will sell or loan him, but very impressed with him this season. Think we might go back for Joe Lolley.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 24, 2019, 01:16:50 PM
From Greg Evans writing in The Athletic

Aston Villa are approaching the January transfer window with a clear plan that does not hinge on results over the Christmas period.

Head coach Dean Smith wants a striker who can also play out wide but has been told to scour the loan market rather than seek another expensive arrival. Villa spent £120 million on a summer rebuild and will not be splashing the cash next month.

Werder Bremen wideman Milot Rashica is a player of interest but Villa canít afford the £35 million-rated Kosovo international this season. Sources have also told The Athletic that the 23-year-old wants Champions League football if he were to leave his current club.

Itís understood that unless there are any injuries, a maximum of three new signings ó ideally a forward, winger and an attacking midfielder ó will be targeted to help boost the squad in 2020. Villa also hope they can arrange temporary deals, possibly with a view to making them permanent in the summer.

Smith has been given the reassurance that he can strengthen his squad if it suddenly becomes depleted and when asked if there was scope to replace the injured John McGinn with either a permanent signing or a short-term fix, he said: ďYes, definitely. When you lose key players it changes our stance a little bit in the market.

ďLosing John is a big blow for us and while it gives opportunities to some of the other lads, weíre also looking at what is out there to help improve us.ď

With the current forward options limited in the English market, itís understood Villa will look to Europe for a striker on loan. Sporting director Jesus Garcia Pitarch ó known as Suso during his playing days in Spain ó knows the Spanish, French and Portuguese leagues well and is currently exploring possible options. Tentative enquiries over Rashicaís availability and price tag have already taken place but itís a non-starter for now.

Early business is unlikely: Villa will wait until the middle-to-late weeks of January before making a move. In the meantime, the need for additional points to drag the club away from the relegation zone is growing.

Crunch games over Christmas and leading into the New Year can help define the season but the recruitment team will not be forced into panic-buying if results go against them.

Villa still have to be aware of Financial Fair Play regulations following years of heavy spending. Losses are calculated on a three-year cycle and the club was understood to be close to the limit last season before Villa Park was sold to co-owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens in a £56.7 million deal. The move helped ensure Villa complied with the EFLís profit and sustainability rules, which allow Championship clubs to lose a maximum of £39 million during that period.

Of course, Villaís revenue streams have increased this season and the losses can be widened by a further £35 million a season in the Premier League, taking the total losses over a three-year period to around £61 million following promotion. Villa can also free up further funds through player sales, if required, but there are no plans to balance the books in such a way.

The hope is that the club can get through this next window with a low spend. That will then allow for more freedom to increase the outlay next season if relegation is avoided.

With that in mind, there will be no transfer records broken in the weeks ahead. Darren Bent inspired Villa to safety back in 2011 after arriving in an £18 million deal but this time around, Villa decided to do most of their main business before the season started: a considered spending spree helping rebuild the squad following promotion.

Strategic in their planning, Villa prefer to do the bulk of their business in the summer window as they feel it represents better value. Already, some of the signings from July and August have increased in value and the hope is they will continue to develop as the season goes on.

ďIíve seen enough of them to see theyíre progressing as a team and getting better,Ē suggested Smith. ďThere certainly wonít be a raft of players (signed next month). It will be fine-tuning, if anything, because we made 12 signings in the summer.Ē

Still, finding a regular goalscorer remains the priority. Wesleyís strike rate has decreased in the Premier League and with Keinan Davis missing the last two months through injury, the alternative options are slim. Interestingly, a host of Championship clubs are keen on taking Davis out of Villa but Smith has no intention of letting him leave regardless of the business he is able to get done.

Smith also knows that the right addition could be the difference when it comes to staying in the Premier League at the first attempt and then kicking on next term.

Villa wanted to sign Chelseaís Tammy Abraham in the summer after a successful loan period but didnít even get to the negotiating table as they knew he would be too expensive. Neal Maupay was also deemed too much at £20 million, so Brighton & Hove Albion pounced.

Smith would have liked that fourth striker but Villa simply couldnít afford to spend any more. After lengthy discussions with Suso and CEO Christian Purslow, they now hope to fill that gap with a loan signing.

He still remains a big fan of Brentfordís Said Benrahma but the money is not available to sign him. The Bees wanted £20 million for the winger in the summer and theyíre unlikely to relax their asking price five months on, sitting in sixth place. A move for the 24-year-old Algerian at the end of the season could follow if the Championship club fail to win promotion.

For now, whether a striker and a winger can be sourced on loan remains to be seen. Last January was chaotic and uncertain as Smith was trying to rebuild a squad that was severely short on defensive cover while also fighting to keep loan star Abraham, who attracted serious interest from Wolverhampton Wanderers.

The loan signings of Tyrone Mings and Kortney Hause proved astute and Villa are hoping for similar success this time around.

All thoughts are geared towards Premier League survival and a steady progression thereafter, so thereís no need to move players on. But if suitable offers come in for some of the fringe players then Villa will not stand in their way.

With just six months left on his contract, Jonathan Kodjia could well attract further interest from France and Qatar. Villa are yet to open discussions over a new deal, so his situation remains uncertain at this stage.

The hope is that an offer for Lovre Kalinic, the fourth-choice goalkeeper, is forthcoming. The Croatian international, signed for £7 million last January, has endured a nightmare year at the club and wants to be playing football again.

Andre Greenís miserable loan spell at Preston North End is expected to be cancelled in January and Villa will look to move him on elsewhere as the 21-year-old winger searches for much-needed game time.

Discussions also need to take place with Callum OíHare and Rushian Hepburn-Murphy as they are both out of contract in the summer and currently out on loan at Coventry City and Tranmere Rovers respectively
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 24, 2019, 02:54:19 PM
ďIíve seen enough of them to see theyíre progressing as a team and getting better,Ē


that bit is scary
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 24, 2019, 03:30:14 PM
ďIíve seen enough of them to see theyíre progressing as a team and getting better,Ē


that bit is scary

That quote is from before we played Southampton, and possibly before the previous game to that (Sheff Utd?)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 24, 2019, 04:33:41 PM
I see Gregg Evans is still getting his information from this website then!  Any one of us could have written that article.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 24, 2019, 04:41:24 PM
I see Gregg Evans is still getting his information from this website then!  Any one of us could have written that article.

He hasn't been copying my posts, the twat. No mention of Bono being a cock.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mallo on December 24, 2019, 04:42:03 PM
So less than £20M on a player to get us the goals required - think we might struggle. Loans Iím not bothered about as priority no 1 is avoid relegation - as long as they do a job. I think weíre in pretty big trouble.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 24, 2019, 04:43:53 PM
I see Gregg Evans is still getting his information from this website then!  Any one of us could have written that article.

He hasn't been copying my posts, the twat. No mention of Bono being a cock.

I think he did mention the bono cock thing mate but his Editor made him take it out.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 24, 2019, 04:47:05 PM
Well, that's ruined Christmas. 🤬
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 24, 2019, 04:58:16 PM
I see Gregg Evans is still getting his information from this website then!  Any one of us could have written that article.
I know at least one person who couldnít.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: olaftab on December 24, 2019, 05:17:12 PM
I think we need players at very reasonable  prices who can make us better by conceding fewer goals and always scoring one more than the opposition. I reckon that will fix our problems.
I hope I have helped you all. Merry Xmas.:)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 24, 2019, 05:43:21 PM
What on earth is the point in saying that weíre not going to spend big, then saying weíd like a £35m player, but then that heís too expensive. Gregg Evans is the Wesley of the football writing world.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 24, 2019, 06:52:02 PM
Axel, Wanyama and Batshuayi would be nice
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ktvillan on December 24, 2019, 07:59:01 PM
Isnít one of our biggest issues lack of experience at this level?
I think Bowen is a great player, but look where he is playing.
Should we risk blowing a significant amount of money one someone who Ďcouldí make the step up at this time?
Truth is, we are in a relegation battle and desperately need
some experience and nouse.

Not much different to Maupay who a lot of people are saying we should have gone for.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ronshirt on December 24, 2019, 08:23:44 PM
Get in two or three Scotsmen. We need backbone.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 24, 2019, 09:09:24 PM
I see Gregg Evans is still getting his information from this website then!  Any one of us could have written that article.
I know at least one person who couldnít.

Hey, you leave Dave Woodhall alone!!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on December 24, 2019, 10:52:23 PM

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I see Gregg Evans is still getting his information from this website then!  Any one of us could have written that article.

He hasn't been copying my posts, the twat. No mention of Bono being a cock.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: TheMalandro on December 24, 2019, 11:25:36 PM
I see Gregg Evans is still getting his information from this website then!  Any one of us could have written that article.

He hasn't been copying my posts, the twat. No mention of Bono being a cock.

No mention of the old commie manifesto either!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: olaftab on December 25, 2019, 05:25:58 PM
Get in two or three Scotsmen. We need backbone.
You mean similar to their national team?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: TelfordVilla on December 26, 2019, 08:36:10 AM
We really need a wide player to cross the ball to our Centre forward.
what is the point of crossing to a centre forward who 1/ cant head the ball  2/ doesnt get in the box 3/ doesn't get in front of the centre half ?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 26, 2019, 11:36:59 AM
There was something on Insta yesterday about players who should be looking to move from their current Serie A clubs. One name who was on there was Berisha, from memory he was the bloke who caused England all kinds of problems in the game in Southampton.
A bit of research suggests he actually had a trial when he was younger with us but currently cannot get into a very strong Lazio team that are 3rd in the league. Wide player / striker so would give competition to our current crop.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 26, 2019, 11:41:29 AM
We really need a wide player to cross the ball to our Centre forward.
what is the point of crossing to a centre forward who 1/ cant head the ball  2/ doesnt get in the box 3/ doesn't get in front of the centre half ?
I think you did not pick up on my sarcasm, exactly this.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Fred Crump on December 26, 2019, 04:05:03 PM
Get Bowen , Ollie Watkins , a midfielder and a striker, any striker except Wes and who knows, we MAY scrape 17th.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: DB on December 26, 2019, 04:57:42 PM
I said in the summer, looks like we were building a decent ch-ship side will the signings. Looks that way more the season goes on, only Jack and Heaton are quality PL players. Hopefully we can buy to keep us up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on December 26, 2019, 04:59:22 PM
Agree with that. AEG and Trezeguet showed beyond doubt that they arenít good enough today. Need to spend money undoing mistakes in January on top of the money we need to spend on the gaping holes.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KRS on December 26, 2019, 05:04:31 PM
A whole new forward line and a couple of midfielders to compliment Jack. Wes, Trez, AEG, Marv and Luiz simply arenít good enough Iím afraid.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 26, 2019, 05:08:25 PM
A whole new forward line and a couple of midfielders to compliment Jack. Wes, Trez, AEG, Marv and Luiz simply arenít good enough Iím afraid.

Our summer recruitment is looking worse and worse by the week. Major questions of Suso need to be asked.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KRS on December 26, 2019, 05:15:24 PM
Absolutely agree. Targett is proper shite too.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 26, 2019, 05:17:15 PM
The transfer policy last summer made sense - and can still bear fruit. 

I haven't written Marvellous or Luiz off, even if they are still adapting.

But Heaton shows the value of veering away from being too dogmatic about younger players with resale value. 

For that reason, I'd look at Joe Allen at Stoke.  A PL midfielder playing currently Championship football.  Someone who will get on the ball and take responsibility. Providing Stoke aren't looking mental money, it's a deal that would make sense.

Up top we probably don't have the money to lavish £20-30 million on a forward, but a judicious loan of striker outside the madhouse of English football might see is through.  Unless we are able to offload Kalinac, Kojdia etc for reasonable fees.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 26, 2019, 05:23:53 PM
As McInally's weird 'team of the decade' shows, we have been bedevilled by below average left backs for the past 10 years as well.

Targett isn't doing a whole pile to indicate he's a vast upgrade on the rest, so if there was a leftback with a turn of pace and is generally more of an athlete than either him or Taylor, we need to pony up.   
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 26, 2019, 05:31:03 PM
Becoming more convinced that the critical player is a central midfielder.
Obviously we need a forward but we again showed how easy it is to create chances against us today.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: CT Villan on December 26, 2019, 07:09:18 PM
Probably a long shot, but maybe we can loan Ryan Sessegnon from Spurs to temporarily solve our left back problem.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 26, 2019, 07:14:25 PM
Sign a load of championship players and that is what we will become.  This a time for gnarly feckers who've been Prem level for some time and can give us both knowhow and leadership. Interspersed with the odd championship player perhaps.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2019, 07:16:26 PM
I'm not buying that. Sheff Utd are a Championship side, actually a number who are League One who have been coached and motivated to operate at a PL level. We bought players every bit as good as theirs who are simply not being used to get the best out of them. And while some may not ultimately cut it at this level what is hard to understand is why they haven't improved and more importantly why many have actually regressed?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 26, 2019, 07:17:38 PM
Probably a long shot, but maybe we can loan Ryan Sessegnon from Spurs to temporarily solve our left back problem.
Danny Rose as Moanio wonít pick him and he is running down his contract
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2019, 07:18:22 PM
Probably a long shot, but maybe we can loan Ryan Sessegnon from Spurs to temporarily solve our left back problem.
Danny Rose as Moanio wonít pick him and he is running down his contract

compared to Targett let alone Taylor signing Danny Rose will feel like we've signed Maldini
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on December 26, 2019, 07:41:50 PM
I think what weíre seeing is that even though they arenít perfect and havenít been at their best, Mings and SJM are several levels up from most of our players, not least in terms of attitude and leadership. We were crying out for Mings to dish it out to the likes of trezeguet today.

The way Heaton was trying to marshall the defence on his own today was really worrying.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2019, 07:52:17 PM
Andreas Christensen isn't playing much at Chelsea, Lampard has Tomori, Zouma and Rudiger all in front of him so that would be an ambitious yet potentially season saving type of loan signing.

I am expecting someone to come in from Chelsea anyway given the Terry connection and they can sign again next month.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Brassneck on December 26, 2019, 08:00:12 PM
I think we have to be realistic here.  There is not an abundance of Prem level players who will be queueing up to sign for a team who are bottom 3/favourites for the drop.

Much as I am against it (as are the club it seems), our best bet for the right type of player is most likely someone to come in on loan.  I agree that we need a bit of steel and a bit of Prem experience but other than the Championship or gambling from Europe, who is available?

These past 3 seasons have been the worst possible 3 to have been out of the Prem.  These established sides have had 3 years head start on us and the days seem to be gone where lower end table sides need to cash in on their contracted players.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: IFWaters on December 26, 2019, 09:10:16 PM
A few games ago when we were midtable I think we had more options for perm signings. Now we're in it a lot of them will demand megabucks that ffp mean we may not be able to spend. Therefore I'd look at a couple of loans plus Bowen if he will come.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy65 on December 26, 2019, 09:44:39 PM
The transfer policy last summer made sense - and can still bear fruit. 

I haven't written Marvellous or Luiz off, even if they are still adapting.

But Heaton shows the value of veering away from being too dogmatic about younger players with resale value. 

For that reason, I'd look at Joe Allen at Stoke.  A PL midfielder playing currently Championship football.  Someone who will get on the ball and take responsibility. Providing Stoke aren't looking mental money, it's a deal that would make sense.

Up top we probably don't have the money to lavish £20-30 million on a forward, but a judicious loan of striker outside the madhouse of English football might see is through.  Unless we are able to offload Kalinac, Kojdia etc for reasonable fees.

Joe Allen is a good shout. Heaton esque  signing
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dave on December 26, 2019, 10:11:35 PM
Would be a bit like signing Glenn Whelan, but if we'd signed Glenn Whelan five years earlier when he was still able to play football.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Smirker on December 26, 2019, 10:15:44 PM
Have to say I don't share the views of some on here.

I think there is a very good player in both AEG and Trezeguet. Nakamba and Douglas are both talents and I'm not too concerned about the defenders although the amount of goals we've been conceding of late is a worry.

I think that Wesley is a very limited player and we have made a mistake with this signing.

I think the bad run makes it seem like it's worse than it is. I know what I saw earlier in the season and it was a very good team playing well in most games. We will be OK and most of our signings have been good. We need a couple more to really add quality going forward though.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on December 26, 2019, 10:35:09 PM
I also think there is a decent player in both trezeguet and el Ghazi but they are both capable of completely disappearing in games, especially when the pressure is on, which is unforgivable in a relegation fight.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2019, 11:10:49 PM
I also think there is a decent player in both trezeguet and el Ghazi but they are both capable of completely disappearing in games, especially when the pressure is on, which is unforgivable in a relegation fight.

Would rather have both as impact subs and signed a more reliable wide player even if that means more graft e.g. Snodgrass type.

Would improve our options off the bench aswell in the second half of the season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 26, 2019, 11:33:56 PM
Snodgrass himself might be an interesting option.

One of their better players so far this season so wouldnít be straightforward.

But undoubted quality when it comes to delivery. And another leader-type.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2019, 12:31:40 AM
The fella playing for Norwich on their right wing is good. He tore Targett a new one today. Maybe a Bid?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on December 27, 2019, 12:34:25 AM
The fella playing for Norwich on their right wing is good. He tore Targett a new one today. Maybe a Bid?

Sadly thatís no judgement of quality
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on December 27, 2019, 12:36:08 AM
The fella playing for Norwich on their right wing is good. He tore Targett a new one today. Maybe a Bid?

Sadly thatís no judgement of quality

Cantwell is a great player, got a bit of Stevie G about him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 12:45:06 AM
The fella playing for Norwich on their right wing is good. He tore Targett a new one today. Maybe a Bid?

Sadly thatís no judgement of quality

Cantwell is a great player, got a bit of Stevie G about him.

Come on, moderators. Surely this isn't acceptable?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: adrenachrome on December 27, 2019, 12:47:54 AM
The fella playing for Norwich on their right wing is good. He tore Targett a new one today. Maybe a Bid?

Sadly thatís no judgement of quality

Cantwell is a great player, got a bit of Stevie G about him.

Norwich are a good team with many good players, as are Watford,  West Ham, Southampton, Bournemouth and Brighton.

Some of us are living in the past. No deadbeats in the PL now.




 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 27, 2019, 03:29:34 AM
Cantwell is their Jack, local lad, lifelong fan and been at the club since he was a nipper. Zero chance he's joining us in Jan.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 27, 2019, 07:26:09 AM
Allen, Benrahma and Batshuayi would be good.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 27, 2019, 08:07:02 AM
 We weren't prepared to be held to ransom by Brentford in the summer for Benrahma in the summer and certainly;y won't pay an even more inflated fee for him in January, particularly with them flying high in the Chumps. Allen is possible I suppose, Batman a definite no. The latest seems to be a CF and a wide man, both from abroad, or if push comes to shove a forward who can play wide or centrally.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Holte L2 on December 27, 2019, 09:05:19 AM
For what it's worth the guy who sits on the end of my row (two to my left) is mates with Dean Smith's next door neighbour (yeah I know).
And he reckons we've done a deal to sign Olivier Giroud on loan.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 27, 2019, 09:08:47 AM
For what it's worth the guy who sits on the end of my row (two to my left) is mates with Dean Smith's next door neighbour (yeah I know).
And he reckons we've done a deal to sign Olivier Giroud on loan.


If true, a decent deal as Wesley would have someone to learn from.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2019, 09:09:05 AM
Thanks eastie.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2019, 09:14:55 AM
The fella playing for Norwich on their right wing is good. He tore Targett a new one today. Maybe a Bid?
Sadly thatís no judgement of quality
Cantwell is a great player, got a bit of Stevie G about him.
I mean their right back Aarons.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2019, 09:18:16 AM
I'm not keen on Giroud. We already have a non-scoring forward.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 27, 2019, 09:42:12 AM
I'm not keen on Giroud. We already have a non-scoring forward.

The thing is, Giroud can score goals but I do tend to agree with you.  I think he ticks the experienced box far more than the prolific box.  We need to bring in three or four with nous, gritty determination from which others can learn.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Brassneck on December 27, 2019, 10:15:10 AM
Not mad on Giroud but what is a realistic alternative in January?  I'd guess that we don't have the money to lay out on another £20m+ striker so it's either a punt on a cut price European striker or a loan deal.

For me, Giroud is an improvement and may help create more for others as well.

We somehow have to crawl over the line this season and spend big again in the summer.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2019, 10:21:19 AM
Giroud has scored a gabbyesque 9 in his last 61 over two and a half seasons. Fuck me, we need much, much better than that.
Edit: sorry, forgot to include the 5 assists over the same period.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 27, 2019, 10:26:47 AM
Benteke return may be on the cards. Loan to buy (from what Iíve heard last night)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Axl Rose on December 27, 2019, 10:34:53 AM
Benteke return may be on the cards. Loan to buy (from what Iíve heard last night)

Isn't he injured?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 10:36:24 AM
Loan to buy wouldn't be the worst idea I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2019, 10:48:36 AM
This is as uninspiring gossip and hearsay about an incoming 'striker' as this time eleven years ago.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 27, 2019, 10:52:31 AM
This is as uninspiring gossip and hearsay about an incoming 'striker' as this time eleven years ago.

We're finally gonna buy Benni McCarthy.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 27, 2019, 10:58:45 AM
Benteke return may be on the cards. Loan to buy (from what Iíve heard last night)

You mean heard in your dreams!? Tell me   Andi Weimann Bristol city to play wide and Barry Bannan at Sheff Wed to be play maker did they not appear?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: OCD on December 27, 2019, 11:17:59 AM
Giroud just hasn't worked out at Chelsea but could be good for us. You would say no to Benteke on the back of his last few years but sometimes a player can be a good fit for a particular club. If we could get him back somewhere close to the player we had first time around I don't think anyone would say no. One thing for sure is that we use Wesley like a hold-up player when that's not his strengths whereas Benteke has shown in the past he can play that way.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 27, 2019, 11:20:55 AM
Benteke needs loving and that's what the Villa fans would do with him as we know his strengths.  It's a yes from me!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: danno on December 27, 2019, 11:27:53 AM
We need to bring Yacouba Sylla home too, Benteke will need someone to talk to.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ktvillan on December 27, 2019, 11:31:36 AM
I wonder if we could get Snodgrass back.  I doubt it,  but his type would work for us, experienced, works hard, creates a fair bit and scores a few.  Seems to be first choice at Spam now though.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 27, 2019, 11:36:56 AM
The only ex player who currently at palace as a striker worth taking is Jordan Ayew. Hes current and always always puts a shift in. When he's not elbowing Cresswell he did it at Villa and was one of only a few who showed some fight and pride (maybe more professional pride than for the team) and it's tellingly to see him do same at both Swansea and then Palace .
Can't say same of Benteke. Despite him getting goals for us and loving him I don't want him anywhere near villa
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 11:39:03 AM
I wonder if we could get Snodgrass back.  I doubt it,  but his type would work for us, experienced, works hard, creates a fair bit and scores a few.  Seems to be first choice at Spam now though.
.

Can't see it. Teams seventeenth in the league don't sell first team players to teams eighteenth.

Well, okay, Small Heath did once. But nobody else is that stupid.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 27, 2019, 11:41:31 AM
I wonder if we could get Snodgrass back.  I doubt it,  but his type would work for us, experienced, works hard, creates a fair bit and scores a few.  Seems to be first choice at Spam now though.

Mark Noble . Though thought unrealistic other day . Way he was getting upset yesterday he clearly needs to leave West Ham can come show the passion at the villa.
Sort of midfield general we need.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 27, 2019, 11:51:42 AM
edna stevens, Lowton , Westwood and Albrighton are all joining .
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clampy on December 27, 2019, 11:53:26 AM
I wonder if we could get Snodgrass back.  I doubt it,  but his type would work for us, experienced, works hard, creates a fair bit and scores a few.  Seems to be first choice at Spam now though.

Mark Noble . Though thought unrealistic other day . Way he was getting upset yesterday he clearly needs to leave West Ham can come show the passion at the villa.
Sort of midfield general we need.

There is no way he is going to leave West Ham and I doubt him losing his temper means he needs to leave. He'll probably retire there and become a coach.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on December 27, 2019, 11:58:43 AM
Benteke needs loving and that's what the Villa fans would do with him as we know his strengths.  It's a yes from me!

Itís a no from me, heís earned (well not really) his money now and is chillaxing.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 27, 2019, 12:08:12 PM
Benteke needs loving and that's what the Villa fans would do with him as we know his strengths.  It's a yes from me!

Itís a no from me, heís earned (well not really) his money now and is chillaxing.

Therefore, he has a point to prove and is coming 'home'. No?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on December 27, 2019, 12:16:23 PM
Benteke needs loving and that's what the Villa fans would do with him as we know his strengths.  It's a yes from me!

Itís a no from me, heís earned (well not really) his money now and is chillaxing.

Therefore, he has a point to prove and is coming 'home'. No?

Doesnít play like he proving any points. Letís look to the present and future with our signings eh? Loved him but we got the best years and I donít expect him to regain his drive.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: OCD on December 27, 2019, 12:29:50 PM
The original rumour was in relation to a loan with the view to a permanent signing. If we had him on loan we could truly see whether he's just 'chillaxing' now or whether there's hope that we could bring out of him what we've had before.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: andyh on December 27, 2019, 12:30:20 PM
If Smith wants to continue playing with a big Ďtargetí man style, then itís Mitrovic I want us to go after.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 27, 2019, 12:31:18 PM
I wonder if we could get Snodgrass back.  I doubt it,  but his type would work for us, experienced, works hard, creates a fair bit and scores a few.  Seems to be first choice at Spam now though.

Mark Noble . Though thought unrealistic other day . Way he was getting upset yesterday he clearly needs to leave West Ham can come show the passion at the villa.
Sort of midfield general we need.

There is no way he is going to leave West Ham and I doubt him losing his temper means he needs to leave. He'll probably retire there and become a coach.

They said the same about JT over at Chelsea.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 27, 2019, 12:35:33 PM
Think id rather have Gavin McCann than Mark Noble. He'd have more pace and he must be in his 40s now.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2019, 12:50:40 PM
The original rumour was in relation to a loan with the view to a permanent signing. If we had him on loan we could truly see whether he's just 'chillaxing' now or whether there's hope that we could bring out of him what we've had before.

We can't take that chance. If we do and he is, we're fooked.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Des Little on December 27, 2019, 02:27:51 PM
I was told about the Benteke thing yesterday, pretty reliable source too. Letís see what transpires, however Iíd take him for sure.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 27, 2019, 02:31:37 PM
This is ITK without the actual saying of ITK

Let's just see shall we.
I mean Benteke wouldn't be all bad however I don't want him near the villa . And we have to question the scouting if this is  the deal and moving into a new decade it's a sorry state to be looking back at last loves.
Life has to go on. Admiring glances need to be for the players of today and not for yesterday.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2019, 02:37:21 PM
Footyskillz is back moaning about people passing on rumours.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2019, 02:57:54 PM
Benteke return may be on the cards. Loan to buy (from what Iíve heard last night)

Wouldn't be the worst shout ever, Palace seem safe already and Bentekes next move if he doesn't start scoring goals soon is the MLS or China.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 27, 2019, 03:17:44 PM
If we wanted to flex our bollocks and make a statement of intent then Carrasco from China. Still only 25 but on 150k a week.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 03:40:15 PM
Benteke return may be on the cards. Loan to buy (from what Iíve heard last night)

Wouldn't be the worst shout ever, Palace seem safe already and Bentekes next move if he doesn't start scoring goals soon is the MLS or China.

He also has the EUROs coming up next summer. I can't see him getting near the Belgium side right now so a move may be on his mind.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 27, 2019, 03:49:14 PM
If Benteke is the answer what is up with the scouting ?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 27, 2019, 03:58:55 PM
If Benteke is the answer what is up with the scouting ?
the scouting is looking for strikers better than Wesley - which also means the recruits don't have to be too good...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 27, 2019, 04:07:44 PM
Great.  A striker who never scores to replace a striker who never scores.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 27, 2019, 04:31:16 PM
I was told about the Benteke thing yesterday, pretty reliable source too. Letís see what transpires, however Iíd take him for sure.

Just to clarify me posting the same last night. It came from a coach whose in the premier league
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clampy on December 27, 2019, 04:32:11 PM
If Benteke is the answer what is up with the scouting ?

But you want Mark Noble?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2019, 04:38:34 PM
Think id rather have Gavin McCann than Mark Noble. He'd have more pace and he must be in his 40s now.

I'd give Madeline McCann a chance over Mark Noble.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 04:41:30 PM
Think id rather have Gavin McCann than Mark Noble. He'd have more pace and he must be in his 40s now.

I'd give Madeline McCann a chance over Mark Noble.

Not sure about that. We have enough players that go missing.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 27, 2019, 04:46:45 PM
Did I hear the Turkish bloke Liverpool bought from Stoke is available? Heíd be great for us.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2019, 04:47:27 PM
Think id rather have Gavin McCann than Mark Noble. He'd have more pace and he must be in his 40s now.

I'd give Madeline McCann a chance over Mark Noble.

Not sure about that. We have enough players that go missing.

Been in Portugal for a few years, though, must have picked up some ball skills.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 04:50:07 PM
Did I hear the Turkish bloke Liverpool bought from Stoke is available? Heíd be great for us.

Do you mean the Kosovar-Swiss bloke who sounds like a Colombian pop star? If so, I agree.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 27, 2019, 04:52:10 PM
Did I hear the Turkish bloke Liverpool bought from Stoke is available? Heíd be great for us.

Do you mean the Kosovar-Swiss bloke who sounds like a Colombian pop star? If so, I agree.

Thatís the one, thanks. I have a very fleeting interest in football now Iím avoiding right-wing morons.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 04:53:01 PM
He'd be a brilliant signing.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on December 27, 2019, 05:00:12 PM
He would be brilliant and Iíve loved him since I found out his German nickname was krarfwurfel.

But heís probably going to get minutes and presumably will hang around for a league winnerís medal.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 05:04:49 PM
Well, I don't mind making a bid. If he'd rather sit around for five or ten minutes football every month then he probably isn't the sort of player we need, anyway.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 27, 2019, 05:47:59 PM
Not sure on Benteke.

The 2012-15 version, aye.  But he's been MIA for over four years now.

I'd like us to go for a Vardy-type, someone with awareness and determination to get in the box and a genuine nuisance to defenders even if he isn't scoring. Not sure who fits that profile in the lower leagues or abroad.

I like Watkins, but he is a different type of forward.  Would still take him, as he can play anywhere across the front three.

El Ghazi gets far too much stick to my mind.  Yes, he's inconsistent. But I can tolerate that from a winger. He played as big a role as anyone in getting us up.

Neither him or Trez should be guaranteed starters, mind.  Not on this seasons form to date.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 05:57:07 PM
Not sure on Benteke.

The 2012-15 version, aye.  But he's been MIA for over four years now.

Not really true. His Liverpool season was okay, and he had a good first year at Palace. He has been poor for two and a half seasons now, admittedly.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2019, 05:58:30 PM
The problem is that too many of the new signings  are not performing.some of the players we kept are also struggling.
You need players giving 7 out of 10 performances week in week out and Luis Makamba Target Trez Are no where near this level.

Some of the shopping lists on here are to put it mildly a little optimistic.
We are not buying 2 wingers 2 strikers a left back and 2 midfielders in January.
2 astute signings could make all the difference though.
A central midfielder and striker is essential to stay up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2019, 06:05:18 PM
Can we also get Westwood back so we can service Benteke with those high looping crosses he likes? I have no idea on Benteke. Maybe he wants one more go at things because it simply wonít ever work at Palace. But it would be a massive gamble if heís not up for the fight. Either way if we are going to stay with the target man approach our crossing needs be much, much better. Yesterday was as bad as I have seen in a while. Personally Iíd like to see us play a different way. On the ground, better passing and movement to a quick and mobile striker. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2019, 06:13:42 PM
A quick glimpse on Holmsdale.net will give you all the information you need to decide if we should sign Benteke.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: four fornicholl on December 27, 2019, 06:15:09 PM
I like the sound of that Costa Rican, done deal apparently.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 06:17:52 PM
A quick glimpse on Holmsdale.net will give you all the information you need to decide if we should sign Benteke.

Quote
To be fair I think most of us are pretty happy with how Ayew is performing this season, but you need more than one striker in the squad (no, I don't count Benteke).
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: FrankyH on December 27, 2019, 06:18:40 PM
I like the sound of that Costa Rican, done deal apparently.

What player is this ?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on December 27, 2019, 06:22:37 PM
Paolo Wanchope? There's only one CHOP!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: four fornicholl on December 27, 2019, 06:25:41 PM
I like the sound of that Costa Rican, done deal apparently.

What player is this ?
Sorry Franky, it was just a reply to all the butter ollocks.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 27, 2019, 07:38:15 PM
If his name wasn't Benteke the idea of signing someone with his recent record would be quite rightly regarded as ridiculous. It's a no from me. Underlined.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 07:49:52 PM
His name is Benteke, though.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 27, 2019, 07:55:46 PM
His name is Benteke, though.
And it's still ridiculous.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 08:05:12 PM
I don't know. Not sure how you can be so certain. He's 29, there's no reason why he can't be good again. Then again, he might stay shite. I'd rather have him that Wesley up front. Then again, I'd like to see us get Cavani if possible.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2019, 08:09:33 PM
If his name wasn't Benteke the idea of signing someone with his recent record would be quite rightly regarded as ridiculous. It's a no from me. Underlined.

At the moment, we have three forwards in our squad none of which are good enough. Benteke on a loan to buy type deal would still be a far better backup option than Kodjia or Davis at a minimum. Let's be honest, he would be better at his worst than Wesley too.

Ollie Watkins looked decent against us last season and would be an option across the front three. Brentford would want stupid money though and they have pulled out pants down badly before with Hogan. Rondon was excellent at Newcastle last year, not sure if he could be tempted from his crazy wage in China. Giroud's legs are gone but would be a useful target for crosses. Who else realistic could we get in Jan?

Out wide, Pedro or Hudson Odoi could be available on loan if they get in Sancho. Albrighton and Gray are better than what we have.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 27, 2019, 08:16:16 PM
I don't know. Not sure how you can be so certain. He's 29, there's no reason why he can't be good again. Then again, he might stay shite. I'd rather have him that Wesley up front. Then again, I'd like to see us get Cavani if possible.
I agree he 'could' be good again but I can't see any convincing reason to believe he will.  Not only will he have to turn around 2 or 3 years of very poor fkrm, he'll have to do it instantly and under great pressure.  There must be less risky options than him surely.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 08:20:48 PM
There are less risky possibilities. On the other hand there are very few we could realistically get, while eighteenth, who could be as good as Benteke was for us. So if it did work out...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 27, 2019, 08:21:00 PM
He would be brilliant and Iíve loved him since I found out his German nickname was krarfwurfel.

But heís probably going to get minutes and presumably will hang around for a league winnerís medal.

Shaqiri would be great but probably occupies the same space as Grealish and why would he leave Liverpool when he's on the verge of more silverware? Even without playing much he'd be mad to leave mid-season.

Think Giroud would be good, maybe not in terms of goals but his linkup play is sublime and we miss that now. He'd teach Wes a thing or two, too.

Benteke would be a yes as last option but not for now. We'd get behind him and that would give him a lift but ultimately he's been shit for 3 years now.

Batshuayi, Morelos, Giroud, Ihenacho, Josh King, Watkins all above him for me.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 27, 2019, 08:23:25 PM
Big problem with Benteke is his confidence appears totally shot. He still does a lot of the good stuff he did for us but he just can't buy a goal.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 08:25:28 PM
He would be brilliant and Iíve loved him since I found out his German nickname was krarfwurfel.

But heís probably going to get minutes and presumably will hang around for a league winnerís medal.

Shaqiri would be great but probably occupies the same space as Grealish and why would he leave Liverpool when he's on the verge of more silverware? Even without playing much he'd be mad to leave mid-season.

He'd be stealing silverware. Play five or ten minutes every month or so and get a medal you don't deserve for a team that doesn't care about you, or come to Villa and be a hero.

In any case, we have a chance to win silverware before they do, and he's not cup-tied.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 27, 2019, 08:47:16 PM
Benteke return may be on the cards. Loan to buy (from what Iíve heard last night)

Wouldn't be the worst shout ever, Palace seem safe already and Bentekes next move if he doesn't start scoring goals soon is the MLS or China.

He also has the EUROs coming up next summer. I can't see him getting near the Belgium side right now so a move may be on his mind.

Apart from Belgium's very last game when he scored twice and missed two sitters.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2019, 08:50:07 PM
Against the mighty Cyprus...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 27, 2019, 08:54:40 PM
Which wasn't the point, he's been in all their squads in 2019 so him not getting near their team is obviously incorrect.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Smirker on December 27, 2019, 08:58:18 PM
January transfer window shopping list:

Morelos - £25m
Mitrovic - £20m
Benrahma - £15m
Bowen - £15m
Vida - £5m

Yes please.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2019, 09:00:56 PM
I just pointed out his goals were against Cyprus. Hardly the most noteworthy of opponents.

Heís been in the squads. The fact is heís gone from being first choice for Belgium while with us, the serious injury obviously didnít help at all. But overall itís poor form that has allowed Lukaku and even Origi to a degree to catch up pass him by. And even those two have had poor runs of form.

If Benteke really, truly wanted it surely heís been given loads of chances at Palace? Heís better than Wesley. But by how much at this stage and can he ever be again the the motivated beast he once was with us?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 09:05:00 PM
I'd take Benteke ahead of Morelos or Mitrovic. Mitrovic was unconvincing at this level last year and would just add to the "doing a Fulham" narrative. Morelos gets sent off every other week playing for a team that has referees in their pocket. He'd never finish a half with us, especially with VAR in operation. Plus both Fulham and "Rangers" would expect stupid money for them.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 27, 2019, 09:05:26 PM
January transfer window shopping list:

Morelos - £25m
Mitrovic - £20m
Benrahma - £15m
Bowen - £15m
Vida - £5m

Yes please.

We desperately need a solid central midfielder in the January window.  I would say it is now second on the list behind a striker.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 27, 2019, 09:08:26 PM
Which still has nothing to do with him not getting near the Belgium side when he's in every squad and has played in 3 of their last 4 games. So it's obviously incorrect.

I'd be very wary of taking him back as I think best case scenario it would take him a while to get his confidence back and get close to te Benteke we knew, and we don't really have the time to do it.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 27, 2019, 09:09:53 PM
Mitrovic scored in 4 of his last 31 league appearances last season so I wouldn't be in a rush to chuck a load of money at him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Smirker on December 27, 2019, 09:12:20 PM
January transfer window shopping list:

Morelos - £25m
Mitrovic - £20m
Benrahma - £15m
Bowen - £15m
Vida - £5m

Yes please.

We desperately need a solid central midfielder in the January window.  I would say it is now second on the list behind a striker.

Gareth Barry 😎
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2019, 09:13:25 PM
Which wasn't the point, he's been in all their squads in 2019 so him not getting near their team is obviously incorrect.

From some of the moaning on here at inclusions in England squads, it's no indicator of much more than a paucity of talent when you get down to your third choice.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithe on December 27, 2019, 09:13:59 PM
January transfer window shopping list:

Morelos - £25m
Mitrovic - £20m
Benrahma - £15m
Bowen - £15m
Vida - £5m

Yes please.

We desperately need a solid central midfielder in the January window.  I would say it is now second on the list behind a striker.

Gareth Barry 😎

Good idea, letís give Gareth Barry a call and see if he can think of a solid centre midfielder we can buy.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 27, 2019, 09:28:02 PM
In fairness, Barry hasn't lost any of his pace.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2019, 09:29:18 PM
Benteke would be a huge mistake, he is physically and mentally spent.
Check what Palace fans think of him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 27, 2019, 09:31:19 PM
Mitrovic scored in 4 of his last 31 league appearances last season so I wouldn't be in a rush to chuck a load of money at him.
Exactly this.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 27, 2019, 10:23:53 PM
Benteke return may be on the cards. Loan to buy (from what Iíve heard last night)

Wouldn't be the worst shout ever, Palace seem safe already and Bentekes next move if he doesn't start scoring goals soon is the MLS or China.

He also has the EUROs coming up next summer. I can't see him getting near the Belgium side right now so a move may be on his mind.

Apart from Belgium's very last game when he scored twice and missed two sitters.

Hodgson on Benetke

"Everybody knows that when they get a chance they need to show a goal threat and get some goals". ďHe knows that too. That is what he is saying he wants to do Ė it isnít much more complicated than that.

ďHe will get his chances. He will have to fight with the competition of the other two strikers we have. And when he gets in the team he will have to make sure he plays well, goes out and creates chances for us and scores goals for us which will mean we want to keep him in the team.
I am afraid that in the two-and-a-half years I have been here, I have not seen the best of Christian Benteke. I canít criticise his work rate. And his desire always comes out Ė not least when he speaks to the press.

ďThe only problem for me is that I have to see it is in Crystal Palace shirt on the field of play, because unfortunately however hard you work in training and however much you try to put your case forward, at the end of the day, when you are the centre-forward of a football club it all comes down to what you do on a Saturday afternoon"

All as quoted by Roy Hogdson
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 27, 2019, 10:25:28 PM
Benteke would be a huge mistake, he is physically and mentally spent.
Check what Palace fans think of him.

Roy Hogdson is an intentionally renowned manager so he knows a good player when he sees one.
If he not selecting Benetke then that's because he knows he's not up to standard. As he said in his comments on him after playing Cyprus

Roy to reporter on Benetke

"His Belgium goals will give him confidence, absolutely. But once again you are placing an awful lot of importance on a couple of goals against Cyprus in a 6-0 win.


ďIf he had just scored a hat-trick against Germany in Germany, I think the case would be a lot stronger than you are trying to make.Ē
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2019, 10:29:15 PM
Benteke would be a huge mistake, he is physically and mentally spent.
Check what Palace fans think of him.

Roy Hogdson is an intentionally renowned manager so he knows a good player when he sees one.
If he not selecting Benetke then that's because he knows he's not up to standard. As he said in his comments on him

So Hodgson always gets it right with players and coaching? If that's the case why has he worked at something like 20 clubs?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 27, 2019, 10:35:27 PM
I hadn't finished the quoting.

Basically Roy was suggesting the nature of opposition meant easier to score for Benetke.
And that's true.

Also Christian Benetke was handed a one year contract extension a few months ago  in October so he wouldn't be out of contract in summer.
Palace must be wanting and hoping to get some sort of fee for him as it was baffling for all to why he was given an extension.

I imagine palace want to shift him ideally but can't get the takers because of  wage let alone any fee and tried to protect that by signing him on but a hope to sell him to someone
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2019, 10:38:10 PM
I would've been well up for Benteke two years ago.

Just feel like it's the wrong move now. He hardly scores nowadays and think his mobility has been reduced with the injuries he's had so it won't be the guy roaming around the pitch like in his first season here.

He also seems to have lost a bit of motivation to me. Seems he always wanted to live in London given his quotes when he moved to us so he's now doing that and pretty happy being a squad striker there.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: David_Nab on December 27, 2019, 10:48:52 PM
I would've been well up for Benteke two years ago.

Just feel like it's the wrong move now. He hardly scores nowadays and think his mobility has been reduced with the injuries he's had so it won't be the guy roaming around the pitch like in his first season here.

He also seems to have lost a bit of motivation to me. Seems he always wanted to live in London given his quotes when he moved to us so he's now doing that and pretty happy being a squad striker there.

4 goals in last 61 games, fair to say he is miles of the player he once was.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2019, 10:51:46 PM
Benteke would be a huge mistake, he is physically and mentally spent.
Check what Palace fans think of him.

Roy Hogdson is an intentionally renowned manager so he knows a good player when he sees one.
If he not selecting Benetke then that's because he knows he's not up to standard. As he said in his comments on him

So Hodgson always gets it right with players and coaching? If that's the case why has he worked at something like 20 clubs?
So you think a Hodgson has got it wrong with Benteke.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 27, 2019, 10:51:53 PM
I would've been well up for Benteke two years ago.

Just feel like it's the wrong move now. He hardly scores nowadays and think his mobility has been reduced with the injuries he's had so it won't be the guy roaming around the pitch like in his first season here.

He also seems to have lost a bit of motivation to me. Seems he always wanted to live in London given his quotes when he moved to us so he's now doing that and pretty happy being a squad striker there.

4 goals in last 61 games, fair to say he is miles of the player he once was.

No doubt that's the case. It's also fair to say that Palace haven't been set up to create many chances since Hodgson has been there. Added to that, even at his best Benteke was always a bit streaky and the lack of goals have meant he's not been in the side regularly enough to build up a head of steam.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2019, 11:20:28 PM
But we don't make many chances. We've gone from a position of making around 20 a game down to no more than a handful if we're lucky. Our biggest problem isn't having a centre-forward not putting chances away, it's that we've stopped creating those chances.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2019, 11:25:30 PM
Benteke would be a huge mistake, he is physically and mentally spent.
Check what Palace fans think of him.

Roy Hogdson is an intentionally renowned manager so he knows a good player when he sees one.
If he not selecting Benetke then that's because he knows he's not up to standard. As he said in his comments on him

So Hodgson always gets it right with players and coaching? If that's the case why has he worked at something like 20 clubs?
So you think a Hodgson has got it wrong with Benteke.

It's not a perfect science. To suggest Hodgson by being an internaionally renowned manager should know a good player isn't exactly true as all managers make mistakes when buying or selling. In this case I am suggesting he either isn't a Hodgson type player or the manager cannot use based on the way he wants to play. After all it was Pardew who signed him from Liverpool.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 11:26:00 PM
El Ghazi had two of the easiest chances yesterday. No doubt two fans sitting in the Upper North Stand went home each with a match ball.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 28, 2019, 12:41:19 AM
But we don't make many chances. We've gone from a position of making around 20 a game down to no more than a handful if we're lucky. Our biggest problem isn't having a centre-forward not putting chances away, it's that we've stopped creating those chances.

It's really both the quality of the chances as well as the quality of finishing as Dean Smith has provided players a platform attacking wise but haven't delivered.
Only man city , Chelsea Liverpool man utd  have created more chances this season . Villa are 5th for most chances created .

3rd at home after Man City and Chelsea
For chances created .
13th away from home

The big chances (where goal should be scored ) 11th in league overall
8th for big chances at home
13th for big chances away

5th for most crosses in league overall
Man city , Everton , Liverpool , Sheff Utd
5th at home
9th away


6th for most shots on target only behind man city , man utd , Liverpool Chelsea Leicester

7th  for Overall average of 13 shots per game.
Only Man city , Chelsea , Liverpool , Man Utd , Leicester , Everton have had  more shots at goal than Villa this season  247 shots.
103 shots from outside the box
The 4th most in the league ( only man utd ,man city and Chelsea had more)

At Home have  14.4 shots per game average
Away 11.4 shots per game average
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: adrenachrome on December 28, 2019, 01:02:15 AM
Who among us would have predeicted Jordan Ayew would be keeping Benteke out the Crystal Palace team in 2019? A team with with good with good wide players.

I have always wated Woy, even when he was at the Stripey's. War Hammer. Wo Amma.


Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 28, 2019, 07:27:18 AM
What about Andre Ayew? Been brilliant for Swansea and experienced. 18 months left on his deal and they're always looking to sell. Much better player than Trez or Anwar.

Him and Joe Allen would give us a lot more experience in areas we need it. A couple of players in the 28-32 range would really make a difference IMO.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 28, 2019, 07:46:13 AM
no thanks - we got burned on one brother and the other one is just as temperamental, plus he's on huge coin.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on December 28, 2019, 08:18:40 AM
But we don't make many chances. We've gone from a position of making around 20 a game down to no more than a handful if we're lucky. Our biggest problem isn't having a centre-forward not putting chances away, it's that we've stopped creating those chances.
This.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 28, 2019, 08:38:37 AM
From Villa Park adulation and cult status, the main man, to the fishbowl and pressure of Liverpool, where they didn't play to his strengths, although he didn't do badly. Tim Sherwood did play to those strengths as did Lambert, Klopp didn't and couldn't get a good a tune out of him. The weird way football works.

From a huge club with adulation at every turn, to one of the very biggest, to... Crystal Palace. Crystal. Palace. With Blakey publically criticising you at the same time.

I've often wondered if such falls from grace have an affect on a player. If he did sign, the minute he stepped on the pitch at the home of football, as a 68th minute substitute he would get 40,000 giving him the 7 Narion Army treatment. Which might lead to his little ears twitching, which might see a centre half rag dolled like a child, more roars of approval. Maybe some thing odd, like a goal. I dunno.

As I said elsewhere, sometimes a player and club just click.

He could also be a failure. Or mediocre. Who knows.

Let's just sign a good centre forward and fingers crossed it works.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villafirst on December 28, 2019, 08:53:06 AM
I hope any new signings are through the door by this time next week. The squad desperately needs reinforcements to have any chance of avoiding relegation.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rigadon on December 28, 2019, 09:03:39 AM
Benteke would be a gamble.  One worth taking if we could maybe get him on loan / on the cheap, but also sign a proven goal scorer, and not, you know, put all our eggs in one basket.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villafirst on December 28, 2019, 11:39:36 AM
Benteke on-loan would be a good option. But another striker as well.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john2710 on December 28, 2019, 12:37:36 PM
Whoever we buy we need experience not potential. That doesn't mean someone on their last legs but the team is crying out for some calmness.

Watching Wolves last night, Moutinho adds that level of experience we're missing.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Vill I An on December 28, 2019, 12:39:58 PM
What about Andre Ayew? Been brilliant for Swansea and experienced. 18 months left on his deal and they're always looking to sell. Much better player than Trez or Anwar.

Him and Joe Allen would give us a lot more experience in areas we need it. A couple of players in the 28-32 range would really make a difference IMO.

That's a superb shout.
Best of the window outside of my Lallana suggestion
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: GarTomas on December 28, 2019, 12:49:26 PM
What about Andre Ayew? Been brilliant for Swansea and experienced. 18 months left on his deal and they're always looking to sell. Much better player than Trez or Anwar.

Him and Joe Allen would give us a lot more experience in areas we need it. A couple of players in the 28-32 range would really make a difference IMO.

That's a superb shout.
Best of the window outside of my Lallana suggestion

Self praise is no praise.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 28, 2019, 12:59:43 PM
Whoever we buy we need experience not potential. That doesn't mean someone on their last legs but the team is crying out for some calmness.

Watching Wolves last night, Moutinho adds that level of experience we're missing.

We also need a clear of idea of the formation and the role they are going to fit into.  Wesley is a prime example of a player who has been expected to play a role that he is just not suited to. 

I would like us to have a clear idea of the formation we are going to use going forward and fill the gaps in the side accordingly. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy65 on December 28, 2019, 03:52:25 PM
What about Andre Ayew? Been brilliant for Swansea and experienced. 18 months left on his deal and they're always looking to sell. Much better player than Trez or Anwar.

Him and Joe Allen would give us a lot more experience in areas we need it. A couple of players in the 28-32 range would really make a difference IMO.

That's a superb shout.
Best of the window outside of my Lallana suggestion

Lallana? Laughs hysterically
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: richtheholtender on December 28, 2019, 10:40:03 PM
Youíd think given his age and that he has won the league that Albrighton would be keen to come back and help the villa out
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 28, 2019, 10:55:08 PM
Looked very slow today great crosser of the ball which is no good to us but got caught in possession three times.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 29, 2019, 01:50:48 AM
Benteke didn't make the squad today, injured or off ?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 29, 2019, 02:25:49 AM
Injured.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 29, 2019, 07:22:51 AM
Every time I have watched Aaron Mooy play this season he has stood out, on loan from Huddersfield how I wish he was with us he would be a great back up if jack got injured.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 29, 2019, 07:54:41 AM
Benteke is not returning to Villa and nor should he. Don't look back.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on December 29, 2019, 05:52:26 PM
If Smith is to be backed, then I hope to God we don't make the same mistakes and go for players with no quality or those who have a lack of Premier League experience.  We are desperate for some leadership and experience to drag us kicking and screaming past the down to 10 men Watford's.  Hindsight is a wonderful thing but no, looking back on the summer's transfer activity, we signed way too many without any Premier League experience.  Don't make the same mistake twice.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 05:57:21 PM
Every time I have watched Aaron Mooy play this season he has stood out, on loan from Huddersfield how I wish he was with us he would be a great back up if jack got injured.
He would walk into our midfield..
Brighton dominated us until he got sent off.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 29, 2019, 06:18:13 PM
Not sure on this forum but talking of Brighton and Shane Duffy was mentioned by someone. Been a regular last few seasons for them but not getting a regular game this season.

Him and Mings would be decent combination I think. Both front foot defenders. Worth an enquiry to see if he'd be interested as think Brighton will push on to be comfortable mid table now they've got easier run of games coming up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2019, 06:24:44 PM
Benteke, Giroud and Benrahma wouldn't be all bad.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Richard E on December 29, 2019, 06:27:25 PM
Benteke, Giroud and Benrahma wouldn't be all bad.

A threesome with Holly Willoughby and Scarlett Johannson wouldnít be all bad, and is about as likely.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 29, 2019, 07:35:56 PM
Benteke, Giroud and Benrahma wouldn't be all bad.

A threesome with Holly Willoughby and Scarlett Johannson wouldnít be all bad, and is about as likely.

So you're saying there's a chance?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2019, 08:03:17 PM
Benteke, Giroud and Benrahma wouldn't be all bad.

A threesome with Holly Willoughby and Scarlett Johannson wouldnít be all bad, and is about as likely.

So you're saying there's a chance?

There's always a chance. I mean obviously it wouldn't be my first choice, but I think it would do.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 29, 2019, 08:16:42 PM
Benteke, Giroud and Benrahma wouldn't be all bad.

A threesome with Holly Willoughby and Scarlett Johannson wouldnít be all bad, and is about as likely.

So you're saying there's a chance?

There's always a chance. I mean obviously it wouldn't be my first choice, but I think it would do.

Yeah I'd choose Jennifer Lawrence over Holly Willoboobys.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Flin5tone on December 30, 2019, 12:26:01 AM
Jarrod Bowen
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 30, 2019, 07:24:51 AM
Bowen should be our number one target. If its true his dad his a villa fan what the hell we doing we should be signing him. Even if we go down having  bowen gives us a brilliant chance of a immediate return
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 30, 2019, 07:51:36 AM
He personally has no affiliation to us though and will have a lot of suitors next month, none of whom are in the bottom three. Amazed he didn't move in the summer.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 30, 2019, 08:07:27 AM
Every time I have watched Aaron Mooy play this season he has stood out, on loan from Huddersfield how I wish he was with us he would be a great back up if jack got injured.
He would walk into our midfield..
Brighton dominated us until he got sent off.

A big mistake from the club was dismissing loans IMO. Imagine we'd gone for Mooy or Ampadu and Harry Wilson instead of Nakamba and Trezeguet. The £20-odd million saved might have got us a decent striker too.

I'd have tried to sign Delph over Luiz too but that's another story.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 30, 2019, 10:06:45 AM
I think luiz despute his mistake has huge potential. He was excellent against norwich and made a silly mistake.

Lets nit forget how young he is also.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 30, 2019, 10:07:56 AM
I think luiz despute his mistake has huge potential. He was excellent against norwich and made a silly mistake.

Lets nit forget how young he is also.

Agree.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 30, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
He personally has no affiliation to us though and will have a lot of suitors next month, none of whom are in the bottom three. Amazed he didn't move in the summer.

Speculation. If we go in early in we might be able to tempt him. 15m i think is a great deal.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 30, 2019, 10:11:42 AM
I think luiz despute his mistake has huge potential. He was excellent against norwich and made a silly mistake.

Lets nit forget how young he is also.

Agree.

me too ,, looks better than targett for the same money
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2019, 10:22:33 AM
Can see Newcastle signing Bowen given their actual forwards can't score.

Just feels a Steve Bruce type of signing to me aswell.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: fredm on December 30, 2019, 12:12:22 PM
I know it is going against what the philosophy in the summer was but we really need a couple of players in the Troy Deeney mould. Someone who has been around the PL for a few seasons and knows the score. Someone who will work their b***s off and demand that everyone else in the team does the same. OK the fans will probably go mad at "lack of ambition" etc but staying up is the only thing that must be on the agenda next month. Next season and beyond can take care of itself.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: nevillain on December 30, 2019, 12:31:07 PM
Official bid of Ä6m for Vida has gone in. I expect it being official this will have legs and be completed shortly

Itís from Twitter mind you
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2019, 12:31:51 PM
We need a strong centre defender who can lead. The ones we have are all quite similar, more about pace than physicality.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 30, 2019, 12:33:57 PM
Does Vida speak English?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LeeB on December 30, 2019, 12:40:27 PM
Does Vida speak English?

Isn't he the scary painting man from Ghostbusters 2? If so, then yes, he does.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 30, 2019, 12:45:38 PM
We should have Max von Sydow dub all our none English speaking players.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ktvillan on December 30, 2019, 12:46:15 PM
I think luiz despute his mistake has huge potential. He was excellent against norwich and made a silly mistake.

Lets nit forget how young he is also.

As I've said elsewhere Luiz has ability but his problem seems to be he's as thick as shit. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 30, 2019, 12:48:16 PM
Vida's a big bastard but im not sure of how good he is, spent most his career in Russia and Turkey.

Lets just sign a Scandanavian defender and be done with it.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on December 30, 2019, 01:01:19 PM
Vida would be a good signing, excellent experience and comes across as a winner.

Bowen would be smashing too.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mallo on December 30, 2019, 02:12:09 PM
Vida would be a mad signing.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2019, 02:43:00 PM
Vida would be a mad signing.

Turn you, inside out
We're livin' la vida loca
He'll score another goal
Livin' la vida loca
He is a Villa boy
And his kit's claret and blue
He will wear you out
Livin' la vida loca (Come on!)
Livin' la vida loca (Come on!)
We're livin' la vida loca
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2019, 02:48:41 PM
Vida would be a mad signing.

Turn you, inside out
We're livin' la vida loca
He'll score another goal
Livin' la vida loca
He is a Villa boy
And his kit's claret and blue
He will wear you out
Livin' la vida loca (Come on!)
Livin' la vida loca (Come on!)
We're livin' la vida loca

He'll take us to the limit, and drive forward like a train,
He'll make us live his crazy life, and he'll take away our pain
Like a bullet to the brain, come on!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2019, 02:55:30 PM
A new low for that once proud poster.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2019, 03:27:22 PM
A new low for that once proud poster.

I've been with my wife and kids for the last 6 days. I think my brain has finally given in.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 30, 2019, 03:50:06 PM
A new low for that once proud poster.

I've been with my wife and kids for the last 6 days. I think my brain has finally given in.
or Ö.. all those years living in the Republic of Yorkshire
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 30, 2019, 04:24:33 PM
A couple of people on VT have 'heard' we won't be signing a CF or winger in January. Must be total bollocks as we will simply sink like a stone if we don't.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on December 30, 2019, 04:29:39 PM
Another centre back to add to the five we already have
...it's the system innit? So work in it.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john e on December 30, 2019, 04:49:50 PM
A couple of people on VT have 'heard' we won't be signing a CF or winger in January. Must be total bollocks as we will simply sink like a stone if we don't.

Well our Vinnie says otherwise
so weíll see whoís gets it right in time I suppose
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: godzvilla on December 30, 2019, 04:52:51 PM
A couple of people on VT have 'heard' we won't be signing a CF or winger in January. Must be total bollocks as we will simply sink like a stone if we don't.

Given our recent history of signings in the winger and CF dept's, maybe we're looking for a goal scoring CH?.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 30, 2019, 05:59:22 PM



Another fucking centre back? We signed four in the summer!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Smirker on December 30, 2019, 06:07:30 PM
A couple of people on VT have 'heard' we won't be signing a CF or winger in January. Must be total bollocks as we will simply sink like a stone if we don't.

Has to be bollocks.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dougs Socks on December 30, 2019, 07:30:33 PM

Sky linking us to a loan deal for Danny Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 30, 2019, 07:32:55 PM
In terms of playing ability, yes please. In terms of attitude, no thanks.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: andyh on December 30, 2019, 07:39:15 PM
Drinkwater and Terry out on Broadstreet.
Lock up your daughters, wives, sisters and nans.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
A huge no to Drinkwater.  Absolute bell end, last thing we need in the squad right now.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 30, 2019, 08:10:02 PM
A huge no to Drinkwater.  Absolute bell end, last thing we need in the squad right now.

I may be doing him a disservice, but aren't there rumours that his problem is that he doesn't subscribe to nominative determinism?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2019, 08:12:46 PM
Indeed.  Changed his name from Danny Alldaybender.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2019, 08:17:01 PM
A huge no to Drinkwater.  Absolute bell end, last thing we need in the squad right now.

Summarized very well. And frankly if we are putting our chances for survival into players like this we are fucked. Iíd like to think we have cast our net a little wider and a little more creatively than tossers like Drinkwater. A less appropriately named bloke there never was.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 30, 2019, 08:17:09 PM
Danny Drinkwater?
 ď no thanks Iíll have another pintĒ
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 30, 2019, 08:19:42 PM
This would be like resigning RM. A huge no.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 30, 2019, 08:36:27 PM
We are led  to believe that the current owners, Purslow and Smith have a plan in place and I would expect that to include prospective signings that will have been picked based upon their abilities, character and suitability to fit in with the existing squad - in a professional and measured way - in a couple of days time we will find out how prepared we actually are

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 30, 2019, 08:38:24 PM
A huge no to Drinkwater.  Absolute bell end, last thing we need in the squad right now.

Summarized very well. And frankly if we are putting our chances for survival into players like this we are fucked. Iíd like to think we have cast our net a little wider and a little more creatively than tossers like Drinkwater. A less appropriately named bloke there never was.

Hasn't been able to get a game at Burnley and half fit - if this is what we are after (and I would hope it is bollocks) we are doomed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 30, 2019, 08:45:02 PM
If this is seriously who smith wnats just leave now. We dont need a clown like him when we are in a fight to stay in this league
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ian J on December 30, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
Hopefully itís just Twitter bullshit, well I really hope so. I know I wanted experience but surely that means someone still playing and fully fit ready to slot straight in.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2019, 08:53:11 PM
Drinkwater and Terry out on Broadstreet.
Lock up your daughters, wives, sisters and nans.

I actually read that as nuns!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 30, 2019, 08:56:19 PM
The other issue with DD, has he actually played a game in the last 3 years? I think weíd be scraping the cunting barrel with that one.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: CT on December 30, 2019, 08:56:51 PM
Drinkwater and Morelos. We'll be back on Quest TV by August.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2019, 08:59:54 PM
The other issue with DD, has he actually played a game in the last 3 years? I think weíd be scraping the cunting barrel with that one.

1 Premier League game for 59 minutes in 2 years.  No thank you very much.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 30, 2019, 09:06:29 PM
The other issue with DD, has he actually played a game in the last 3 years? I think weíd be scraping the cunting barrel with that one.

1 Premier League game for 59 minutes in 2 years.  No thank you very much.
Things are bad but surely not that desperate ....
Nothing concrete - just speculation, but if these type of signings are an indication of what Smith is looking at then we are in a bad way
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 30, 2019, 09:19:52 PM
It's just rumours every club that wants rid of players will be circulating this kind of crap.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clampy on December 30, 2019, 09:20:10 PM
Drinkwater and Morelos. We'll be back on Quest TV by August.

I love how some fans react to random links on the Internet.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john e on December 30, 2019, 09:21:01 PM
I didnít know Drinkwater was a pisshead if thatís whatís being said
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AVH87 on December 30, 2019, 09:22:32 PM
To be fair, there won't be lots of decent players available with recent Prem experience in Jan, but then Drinkwater doesn't have it either, he was last a regular at this level 3 years ago with Leicester.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 30, 2019, 09:40:26 PM
Drinkwater and Morelos. We'll be back on Quest TV by August.

I love how some fans react to random links on the Internet.
I know, I am just enjoying the word play and donít for one minute think we will sign him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: richtheholtender on December 30, 2019, 10:07:06 PM
So, we need a cheap (next to nothing cost) striker, that is easily available, knows the English leagues, ideally knows the club, isnít a target man and guarantees goals. Whatís Ross McCormack doing these days?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ian J on December 30, 2019, 11:56:54 PM
So, we need a cheap (next to nothing cost) striker, that is easily available, knows the English leagues, ideally knows the club, isnít a target man and guarantees goals. Whatís Ross McCormack doing these days?
Propping up a bar next to Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Damo70 on December 31, 2019, 12:29:37 AM
I thought Drinkwater would turn out to be a decent signing for Burnley but I was wrong. Which doesn't give me any confidence he would do any good for us. If Smith and Terry think they can get a tune out of him then great but personally I don't see it working out well.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 31, 2019, 01:22:06 AM
I thought Drinkwater would turn out to be a decent signing for Burnley but I was wrong. Which doesn't give me any confidence he would do any good for us. If Smith and Terry think they can get a tune out of him then great but personally I don't see it working out well.

He's had some pretty serious off the field issues hasn't he which have meant he's not even been close to playing. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: London Villan on December 31, 2019, 06:26:43 AM
He has had an interesting few months.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KRS on December 31, 2019, 06:29:38 AM
Didnít even know heíd gone on loan to Burnley. Why has it pear shaped for him up there and why isnít he getting any game time?

Edit: according to Google search, he got battered by 6 blokes after being thrown out of a nightclub in Manchester and trying it on with a Scunthorpes players girlfriend.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 31, 2019, 07:14:36 AM
If  we sign this bloke I'm giving up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on December 31, 2019, 08:28:17 AM
... If Smith and Terry think they can get a tune out of him then great but personally I don't see it working out well.
bearing in mind they  - or someone - thought they could 'get a tune' out of several of our existing squad members ....
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: andyh on December 31, 2019, 08:42:27 AM
It just proves yet again, when you are under pressure your decision making is affected and suddenly Ďany old shití will do.
Then again, maybe our team is too nice. Maybe need a c*** who gets into bar fights and tries it on with other players partners, to build to real spirit in the team.
Who are we to question when their transfer policy has been so good up to now?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 31, 2019, 08:56:29 AM
It just proves yet again, when you are under pressure your decision making is affected and suddenly Ďany old shití will do.
Then again, maybe our team is too nice. Maybe need a c*** who gets into bar fights and tries it on with other players partners, to build to real spirit in the team.
Who are we to question when their transfer policy has been so good up to now?

You know he hasn't joined, right?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2019, 09:10:23 AM
It just proves yet again, when you are under pressure your decision making is affected and suddenly Ďany old shití will do.
Then again, maybe our team is too nice. Maybe need a c*** who gets into bar fights and tries it on with other players partners, to build to real spirit in the team.
Who are we to question when their transfer policy has been so good up to now?

You know he hasn't joined, right?

It's incredible isn't it? Maybe he will join or maybe because we're playing Burnley tomorrow, Sky are lazily throwing his name out there. Either way, moaning about something that hasn't happened is all rather silly.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 31, 2019, 09:25:47 AM
Not overly bothered if reports about us missing out on brewster. We cant rely on another gamble up top. We need someone proven. Like mitrovic
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: dicedlam on December 31, 2019, 09:27:10 AM
Didnít even know heíd gone on loan to Burnley. Why has it pear shaped for him up there and why isnít he getting any game time?

Edit: according to Google search, he got battered by 6 blokes after being thrown out of a nightclub in Manchester and trying it on with a Scunthorpes players girlfriend.

I can't see the Drinkwater transfer happening myself. I just don't see John Terry standing for that type of nonsense going on at the club.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 31, 2019, 09:31:30 AM
Didnít even know heíd gone on loan to Burnley. Why has it pear shaped for him up there and why isnít he getting any game time?

Edit: according to Google search, he got battered by 6 blokes after being thrown out of a nightclub in Manchester and trying it on with a Scunthorpes players girlfriend.

I can't see the Drinkwater transfer happening myself. I just don't see John Terry standing for that type of nonsense going on at the club.

Haha
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2019, 10:15:52 AM
John would never have been so blatant. He'd have befriended the player, become close pals, learnt his routine. Then gone and found his Mrs when said Scunny player was out of town. John's no amateur. Drinkwater sounds like he needs some good coaching.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 31, 2019, 10:26:27 AM
Just listened to The Villa View podcast and they mentioned sources had us linked with a Rangers midfielder Iíve never heard of, Glen Kamara?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2019, 10:35:51 AM
If  we sign this bloke I'm giving up.

Every grey cloud...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 31, 2019, 11:03:19 AM
it's an opinion site Dave and I'm entitled to mine without the messianic superciliousness.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2019, 11:06:49 AM
Airing your opinion provides no immunity from it being challenged.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 31, 2019, 11:13:10 AM
I wouldn't mind if we signed him Drinkwater proven Premier League player and somebody who could help us out.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Zouch Villa on December 31, 2019, 11:21:15 AM
it's an opinion site Dave and I'm entitled to mine without the messianic superciliousness.

....I know that one! Thatís the signature tune in the recent Mary Poppins Returns film, right?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ian J on December 31, 2019, 11:28:39 AM
The worry with Drinkwater is his fitness for me and also our history with buying players who have faired well then had their big move before ending up in the scrap heap and then here.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KRS on December 31, 2019, 11:37:53 AM
On the basis that heís barely played any football this season and Dyche has stated that heís still working his way back to fitness then Iíd be inclined to swerve this one. He might be a good signing when fully fit in the summer but right now heís not and we need someone to come in to hit the ground running rather than getting back to speed. Heís not the messiah...heís a very naughty boy!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2019, 11:40:21 AM
In the Sky article, it  says he would be a replacement for McGinn. He's nothing like him. Thinking about it though, some experience of some sort in the midfield might not be a bad thing
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 31, 2019, 11:48:25 AM
I wouldn't mind if we signed him Drinkwater proven Premier League player and somebody who could help us out.

Ashley Westwood is keeping him out of the Burnley team...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 31, 2019, 11:52:39 AM
I wouldn't mind if we signed him Drinkwater proven Premier League player and somebody who could help us out.

Ashley Westwood is keeping him out of the Burnley team...

Heís been playing in the Premier League longer than most of our squad by the way.
Actually that goes for both of them.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 31, 2019, 11:53:51 AM
I wouldn't mind if we signed him Drinkwater proven Premier League player and somebody who could help us out.

Ashley Westwood is keeping him out of the Burnley team...

BRING BACK THE FLOATY CORNER KING!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villan82 on December 31, 2019, 11:54:30 AM
We need to buy 2 or 3 experienced heads. Enough with the 'project' BS. There will be no project if we end up relegated and needing to sell players like Grealish.

Vida, a midfielder to anchor the team and a proven striker would give us a chance to stay up. It has been a crap Christmas but we still only need to win 5-6 games from the second half of the season. Let's not give up just yet.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: aj2k77 on December 31, 2019, 12:32:22 PM
If we sign Drinkwater then we haven't learnt a thing and will get relegated.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on December 31, 2019, 12:46:07 PM
Forgive my ignorance but why the anti drinkwater sentiment? Seemed like just a meh signing but seems to have stirred things up. Is there off the pitch stuff thatís passed me by?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2019, 12:50:17 PM
Forgive my ignorance but why the anti drinkwater sentiment? Seemed like just a meh signing but seems to have stirred things up. Is there off the pitch stuff thatís passed me by?

Likes a night out apparently, and was out for weeks after he got a good hiding in a night club trying to chat up somebody else's girlfriend.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: andyh on December 31, 2019, 12:58:12 PM
6 league starts since Aug 2017 doesnít exactly look like someone setting the world on fire.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 31, 2019, 01:01:49 PM
I personally think super JT needs tk be getting on  the phone to chelsea and try gets batshyuai in on loan. Im sure tammy would also put in a good word for us.

He would eb a brilliant jan signing for us
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Brassneck on December 31, 2019, 01:13:18 PM
I personally think super JT needs tk be getting on  the phone to chelsea and try gets batshyuai in on loan. Im sure tammy would also put in a good word for us.

He would eb a brilliant jan signing for us

Funny you say that because some gossip merchant on FB has just suggested that we're in for him.  Pure coincidence that you posted shortly afterwards though.  ;D
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 31, 2019, 01:29:17 PM
I personally think super JT needs tk be getting on  the phone to chelsea and try gets batshyuai in on loan. Im sure tammy would also put in a good word for us.

He would eb a brilliant jan signing for us

Funny you say that because some gossip merchant on FB has just suggested that we're in for him.  Pure coincidence that you posted shortly afterwards though.  ;D

Oh really. I dont really pay much attention to twitter fb to be honest mate.  Its more or less people making things up.

Hoping there is legs to this but who knows
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 31, 2019, 01:47:27 PM
In the Sky article, it  says he would be a replacement for McGinn. He's nothing like him. Thinking about it though, some experience of some sort in the midfield might not be a bad thing

Agreed but as IanJ points out, his fitness levels are a major concern. Here's the views from Burnley fans (https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44078). From what I've read on their forums, this one at least doesn't call him Drinkbeer.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Border villan on December 31, 2019, 02:04:11 PM
Forgive my ignorance but why the anti drinkwater sentiment? Seemed like just a meh signing but seems to have stirred things up. Is there off the pitch stuff thatís passed me by?
If we sign him I hope it turns out well but I canít help having a Stephen Ireland feeling about this.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2019, 02:18:38 PM
Signing Danny Drinkliquor to replace John McGinn would be like signing Wesley to replace Tammy Abraham.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 31, 2019, 02:27:36 PM
It's paper/twitter talk and all that talk is of a loan, it's not like we've already signed him for a big wedge and lengthy contract.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 31, 2019, 02:35:11 PM
Vida and Bat from Chelsea are truthful links
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Taylor on December 31, 2019, 02:35:25 PM
I donít know why Danny Drinkwater (premier league winner and England international) is currently out of favour at Burnley, but if he does join, I wonít write him off. Our own Tyrone was deemed superfluous at Bournemouth, and that worked out ok.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2019, 02:37:16 PM
It's paper/twitter talk and all that talk is of a loan, it's not like we've already signed him for a big wedge and lengthy contract.

They all are until it happens. But this is the transfer bollocks thread after all. Oh and we are all still scarred by the TSM1 incident. Surely it could never happen...until it did
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 31, 2019, 02:38:18 PM
I donít know why Danny Drinkwater (premier league winner and England international) is currently out of favour at Burnley, but if he does join, I wonít write him off. Our own Tyrone was deemed superfluous at Bournemouth, and that worked out ok.

Him being a piss head might have something to do with him being out of favour at Burnley.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2019, 02:38:48 PM
I donít know why Danny Drinkwater (premier league winner and England international) is currently out of favour at Burnley, but if he does join, I wonít write him off. Our own Tyrone was deemed superfluous at Bournemouth, and that worked out ok.

Sure. If we were getting him from Chelsea that is. He had a chance to establish himself again at Burnley and failed to do so. A club which has provided Ashley Westwood a solid career at this level. So surely thatís on the player?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 31, 2019, 02:44:03 PM
He could have been an all-time great at Leicester and chose to give that up for a pay rise and to sit on Chelsea's bench. He has done absolutely nothing on the pitch since, and has problems off it. There is no recent evidence to suggest he would make our team better, and every indication that he would make our dressing room worse.

It would be a desperate, stupid, move.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2019, 02:51:22 PM
Percy saying El Ghazi and Trezuguet performancea have been sources of frustration.

We're after midfielders primarily with top flight experience, there was no intention for major signings, but that has changed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2019, 02:51:48 PM
It's paper/twitter talk and all that talk is of a loan, it's not like we've already signed him for a big wedge and lengthy contract.

Yes but it would probably indicate that no other midfielders were coming in. If it happens, I think this would be as pointless as last yearís Tom Carroll loan.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dougs Socks on December 31, 2019, 02:58:29 PM
There is no recent evidence to suggest he would make our team better, and every indication that he would make our dressing room worse.

 Its all about opinions, but im interested to know what that evidence is, because to my eyes we have a dressing room full of bottlers and a midfield short of experience. We are so easy to break against and despite his alleged misdemeanors, a fully fit something to prove Drinkwater may well be the answer. We could also then move Luis into a more attacking role, alleviating the loss of SJM?


Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 31, 2019, 03:00:58 PM
It's paper/twitter talk and all that talk is of a loan, it's not like we've already signed him for a big wedge and lengthy contract.

Yes but it would probably indicate that no other midfielders were coming in. If it happens, I think this would be as pointless as last yearís Tom Carroll loan.

Why would a loan, if it happens, indicate no one else is coming in, have we said we're only going to sign 1 midfielder?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 31, 2019, 03:01:15 PM
The evidence that he is a pisshead and a wastrel.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2019, 03:04:29 PM
Burnley are hardly having a great season, why hasn't he played for them? 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dougs Socks on December 31, 2019, 03:05:07 PM
The evidence that he is a pisshead and a wastrel.

I think that applies to most Footballers ;)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2019, 03:05:22 PM
The evidence that he is a pisshead and a wastrel.

He's a wobber and a wapist.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2019, 03:05:25 PM
It's paper/twitter talk and all that talk is of a loan, it's not like we've already signed him for a big wedge and lengthy contract.

Yes but it would probably indicate that no other midfielders were coming in. If it happens, I think this would be as pointless as last yearís Tom Carroll loan.

Why would a loan, if it happens, indicate no one else is coming in, have we said we're only going to sign 1 midfielder?

It's like, my opinion, man.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 31, 2019, 03:07:34 PM
And i'm asking why you think it indicates that. It's kind of how a debate works dude  :P
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2019, 03:10:59 PM
I think we're looking at 4.

Centre half, central midfielder, striker and a winger.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Brassneck on December 31, 2019, 03:13:27 PM
I think we're looking at 4.

Centre half, central midfielder, striker and a winger.

Webster, Philips, Maupay & Benrahma

Suso out!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on December 31, 2019, 03:30:07 PM
I don't think Maupay will leave, the others however......

are all lower division players with potential. I think we're after experience?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on December 31, 2019, 03:33:26 PM
Are we close to the 25 man senior squad limit?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2019, 03:40:00 PM
I don't think Maupay will leave, the others however......

are all lower division players with potential. I think we're after experience?

Webster isn't.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2019, 03:42:11 PM
And i'm asking why you think it indicates that. It's kind of how a debate works dude  :P

Because I don't think they'll be looking to bring in any more than one player in each position.  The consensus seems to be that they weren't planning on doing anything, but now that they have to, I think it'll be three or four players max, with no more than one in each position.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Brassneck on December 31, 2019, 04:33:09 PM
I don't think Maupay will leave, the others however......

are all lower division players with potential. I think we're after experience?

They were our 4 supposed 1st choice targets in the summer.  However, we ended up with cheaper alternatives (maybe Maupay was about the same as Wesley).
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 31, 2019, 04:42:08 PM
Forgive my ignorance but why the anti drinkwater sentiment? Seemed like just a meh signing but seems to have stirred things up. Is there off the pitch stuff thatís passed me by?

Likes a night out apparently, and was out for weeks after he got a good hiding in a night club trying to chat up somebody else's girlfriend.

Standard drink driving conviction aswell recently. Definitely a guy keen to get his career back on track...

Saw him recently v Man City. Granted he was up against very good players but he was laughably off the pace.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on December 31, 2019, 05:15:44 PM
The Guardian are saying that the Werder Bremen winger, Milot Rashica, is a Villa target ... no idea what he's like or if he's even gettable
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on December 31, 2019, 05:22:40 PM
The Guardian are saying that the Werder Bremen winger, Milot Rashica, is a Villa target ... no idea what he's like or if he's even gettable

No idea either but I canít imagine weíve got 35 million to spend.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2019, 05:27:35 PM
5 year deal at 65k per week and you're looking at £10m on the book for the year. Doable.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dougs Socks on December 31, 2019, 05:28:21 PM
The Guardian are saying that the Werder Bremen winger, Milot Rashica, is a Villa target ... no idea what he's like or if he's even gettable


He is bloody good...but not for us at the moment. Summer if we survive, but i imagine hes attracting the attention of quite a few, so even then it may be a big ask.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 31, 2019, 05:33:55 PM
I like the sound of him. Get him in, ta.

Him, along with Cavani and Bale on loans till the end of the season and we only need maybe a couple more.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 31, 2019, 05:38:37 PM
The evidence that he is a pisshead and a wastrel.

He's a wobber and a wapist.

Thwow him to the gwound.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 31, 2019, 05:39:22 PM
Wepeatedly.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 31, 2019, 05:57:50 PM
Rashica is fucking rapid and technically good, end product is hit and miss. Reminds me of Dan James. They  want £35m though so I doubt he'll be joining us.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 31, 2019, 06:01:09 PM
I've been watching Brexit debates and I think foreigners like to ask for a lot of money but we are under no obligation to pay. They need us more than we need them.

Offer them £3 million and tell them if they don't take it we will stop buying German cars.

That'll show Fritz who's boss.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 31, 2019, 06:06:25 PM
I've been watching Brexit debates and I think foreigners like to ask for a lot of money but we are under no obligation to pay. They need us more than we need them.

Offer them £3 million and tell them if they don't take it we will stop buying German cars.

That'll show Fritz who's boss.

Prosecco!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 31, 2019, 06:07:23 PM
That sounds like the Daniel Levy approach. Lansbury plus £3m should do it.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 31, 2019, 06:09:37 PM
Like the look of Vida. Remember him from the World Cup. Looked a warrior.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 31, 2019, 06:11:19 PM
Like the look of Vida. Remember him from the World Cup. Looked a warrior.

Looks more like a mugger to me.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dougs Socks on December 31, 2019, 06:37:21 PM
Like the look of Vida. Remember him from the World Cup. Looked a warrior.

Looks more like a mugger to me.


Looks like a Viking. Sign all the Vikings!!! 8)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2019, 08:48:23 PM
Vida and Bat from Chelsea are truthful links

Batshuayi is just about as good as it could get up top in Jan. Stick a good winger and a decent replacement for McGinn in, we might have a punchers chance. Vida looks like a big, nasty lump. I like my centre halves like that.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 31, 2019, 11:08:02 PM
Vida and Bat from Chelsea are truthful links

Excellent. Hopefully we can get them in. Add in an experienced midfielder (not Drinkie) and I'd be confident of staying up with those additions.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 31, 2019, 11:10:24 PM
I've been watching Brexit debates and I think foreigners like to ask for a lot of money but we are under no obligation to pay. They need us more than we need them.

Offer them £3 million and tell them if they don't take it we will stop buying German cars.

That'll show Fritz who's boss.

It's a faultless plan.

They don't like it up 'em.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 31, 2019, 11:17:42 PM
Like the look of Vida. Remember him from the World Cup. Looked a warrior.

Think it will probably mean Chester is on his way.  Did think at the time that it looked like he waved goodbye to parts of the ground when he went off against Liverpool. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2019, 11:54:55 PM
Vida and Bat from Chelsea are truthful links

Excellent. Hopefully we can get them in. Add in an experienced midfielder (not Drinkie) and I'd be confident of staying up with those additions.

I still think a winger with either pace or a goal threat is a must. Wilson and Kent in the summer over Trez and El Ghazi would have made a real difference. Bowen would be a great signing.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on January 01, 2020, 12:16:27 AM
Forgive my ignorance but why the anti drinkwater sentiment? Seemed like just a meh signing but seems to have stirred things up. Is there off the pitch stuff thatís passed me by?

Likes a night out apparently, and was out for weeks after he got a good hiding in a night club trying to chat up somebody else's girlfriend.

Cheers risso ahh yeah I remember that story now. Does have a touch of the Stephen Irelands.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on January 01, 2020, 01:06:25 AM
Vida and Bat from Chelsea are truthful links

Excellent. Hopefully we can get them in. Add in an experienced midfielder (not Drinkie) and I'd be confident of staying up with those additions.

I still think a winger with either pace or a goal threat is a must. Wilson and Kent in the summer over Trez and El Ghazi would have made a real difference. Bowen would be a great signing.

I really think the decision to avoid loans cost us. We reportedly wanted Wilson and Ampadu but didn't to loan without an option. Those two instead of Trez and Nakamba would have saved us £25m and we'd be a lot better off.

Should have kept Whelan and Jedinak too to keep the squad together, but that's another one...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on January 01, 2020, 06:42:02 AM
I want Vida the guys terrifying, him Mings and Hause what a back line.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: London Villan on January 01, 2020, 07:09:58 AM
Have we signed anyone yet?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Smirker on January 01, 2020, 09:17:17 AM
Have we signed anyone yet?

That's what I came in to post  ;D
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: The Edge on January 01, 2020, 11:05:11 AM
Bowen & Drinkwater are on their way. Definitely. I heard that off a good source. ( my mate down the pub who's brothers mate is a steward at Villa Park )
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 01, 2020, 11:11:38 AM
Big Chris fancies a move, it seems: https://twitter.com/chrisbenteke/status/1212091095879995392
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 01, 2020, 11:30:39 AM
Bowen & Drinkwater are on their way. Definitely. I heard that off a good source. ( my mate down the pub who's brothers mate is a steward at Villa Park )

I laugh in the face of ITK that's from a source below the level of mate of a mate that knows Smith's next door neighbour.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: The Edge on January 01, 2020, 12:09:10 PM
Bowen & Drinkwater are on their way. Definitely. I heard that off a good source. ( my mate down the pub who's brothers mate is a steward at Villa Park )

I laugh in the face of ITK that's from a source below the level of mate of a mate that knows Smith's next door neighbour.
You're welcome. UTV 😜
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 01, 2020, 01:43:02 PM
If Drinkwater was "definitely" on his way, he wouldn't be on Burnley's bench today.

He may sign, but the fact that he is in their squad suggests it isn't a done deal.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ian J on January 01, 2020, 02:40:30 PM
Big Chris fancies a move, it seems: https://twitter.com/chrisbenteke/status/1212091095879995392
If thatís the player who we got Iíd be very very happy.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on January 01, 2020, 02:41:59 PM
Big Chris fancies a move, it seems: https://twitter.com/chrisbenteke/status/1212091095879995392
If thatís the player who we got Iíd be very very happy.

Wouldn't be the worst signing in the world would it?  Especially after what has happened to Wesley today. Palace will probably put the price up now though!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john e on January 01, 2020, 02:53:04 PM
I suppose the injury to Wesley and it doesnít look good and the fact his replacement is the worst player at the club means we will be forced/Have to take a dive into the transfer or loan market now
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: David_Nab on January 01, 2020, 03:11:03 PM
After today might need 2 strikers and a keeper :(
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: supertom on January 01, 2020, 03:12:19 PM
Big Chris fancies a move, it seems: https://twitter.com/chrisbenteke/status/1212091095879995392
If thatís the player who we got Iíd be very very happy.

Wouldn't be the worst signing in the world would it?  Especially after what has happened to Wesley today. Palace will probably put the price up now though!
The romanticist in me would hope that Tekkers coming back 'home' would reinvigorate him. For whatever reason Woy has never rated him. I'm not sure Dean would either, because sometimes you have to let Benteke have a bit of a stroll in games. We indulged him in a way Liverpool were never going to, and indeed Palace under Woy.
I dunno. I'd love to see him back and going on the same kind of scoring runs he used to have from January onward with us.
It's january. We're not rolling in cash. Are there many potentially better players available who know the league?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Smirker on January 01, 2020, 03:28:16 PM
I'd expect incomings before our next league game.

I have nothing to base this on. I am not itk. I just think this will happen.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on January 01, 2020, 03:47:07 PM
I was row S, but right inline with the Mee tackle on Wesley. Looked very heavy and clumsy, with Wesley in a lot of pain.

I think Benteke on loan now, as well as whoever the primary target was, is now a must.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villadelph on January 01, 2020, 03:56:08 PM
I was row S, but right inline with the Mee tackle on Wesley. Looked very heavy and clumsy, with Wesley in a lot of pain.

I think Benteke on loan now, as well as whoever the primary target was, is now a must.

Considering his crotch went through Wesley's knee, I figured it would be a yellow.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villan82 on January 01, 2020, 04:14:02 PM
I can see Benteke working out, we should go for him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 01, 2020, 04:17:21 PM
He's out for a few weeks, though. Would rather we had someone in for the Man City game, at the latest. I'm not against the idea of bringing Benteke back in principal, but can't be arsed to pay massive wages while he sits in the physio room.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villan82 on January 01, 2020, 04:19:11 PM
He's out for a few weeks, though. Would rather we had someone in for the Man City game, at the latest. I'm not against the idea of bringing Benteke back in principal, but can't be arsed to pay massive wages while he sits in the physio room.

Benteke and Bowen? We probably need the pair now that Wes is injured.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2020, 04:21:40 PM
Crazy idea to buy an injured player, we need someone that can play not sit in the treatment room.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 01, 2020, 04:27:08 PM
He's out for a few weeks, though. Would rather we had someone in for the Man City game, at the latest. I'm not against the idea of bringing Benteke back in principal, but can't be arsed to pay massive wages while he sits in the physio room.

Benteke and Bowen? We probably need the pair now that Wes is injured.

No, I meant Benteke is out for a few weeks. Not sure how long WeseliŮo is out for.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john e on January 01, 2020, 05:18:24 PM
don't know if Benteke would work out
 you always think he will just pick up where he left off but obviously in the real world it does't happen like that

if he's injured and out for a few weeks as been suggested he'll be no good to us anyway as we need someone now

my 11 year old would be delighted to see big Ben back he was his very first football hero and like your first love or your first kiss you never forget (just ask brian)



Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2020, 05:19:45 PM
don't know if Benteke would work out
 you always think he will just pick up where he left off but obviously in the real world it does't happen like that

if he's injured and out for a few weeks as been suggested he'll be no good to us anyway as we need someone now

my 11 year old would be delighted to see big Ben back he was his very first football hero and like your first love or your first kiss you never forget (just ask brian)

Surely a better option from the bench than your mate Kodjia?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john e on January 01, 2020, 05:23:23 PM
don't know if Benteke would work out
 you always think he will just pick up where he left off but obviously in the real world it does't happen like that

if he's injured and out for a few weeks as been suggested he'll be no good to us anyway as we need someone now

my 11 year old would be delighted to see big Ben back he was his very first football hero and like your first love or your first kiss you never forget (just ask brian)

Surely a better option from the bench than your mate Kodjia?


my 11 year old would be a better option than the Kod
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 01, 2020, 05:24:32 PM
Sign him up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john e on January 01, 2020, 05:27:44 PM
Sign him up.

he plays for Newport Pagnell under 12's


hes not got spotted yet by the talent scouts, although MK dons are the local team so maybe a good thing
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: The Edge on January 01, 2020, 05:30:00 PM
If Drinkwater was "definitely" on his way, he wouldn't be on Burnley's bench today.

He may sign, but the fact that he is in their squad suggests it isn't a done deal.
Erm my comment was tongue in cheek. As Manuel would say "i know nussink"
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on January 01, 2020, 05:34:39 PM
I guess we may shelve the central defender offer (if made) and replace Wesley now.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: aj2k77 on January 01, 2020, 05:42:33 PM
Bowen, Batsuayi loan, Benteke loan, a keeper if Heaton is out because I don't trust Nyland and we aren't in a position to be having keeper bloopers losing games.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 01, 2020, 05:43:36 PM
Anyone any idea when Steer is due back?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: aj2k77 on January 01, 2020, 05:58:33 PM
End of the month I think.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 01, 2020, 06:14:13 PM
Ta. Wonder if we recall Sarkic from Livingston. The Scottish Premiership is on midseason break anyway.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 01, 2020, 06:17:18 PM
Batshuyai unused sub for Chelsea today. Can see him moving in next two weeks.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Des Little on January 01, 2020, 06:31:46 PM
Letís hope Tammy gives us a glowing reference!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: rougegorge on January 01, 2020, 06:47:17 PM
We could buy a BMW...

Benrahma, Mbeumo and Watkins.

Well, we didn't seem to get much past clubs starting with BR- in the football directory in the summer.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on January 01, 2020, 06:56:46 PM
The price of strikers just went up by 25%, with Wesley's injury and JK obviously not a viable alternative.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 01, 2020, 06:58:56 PM
The price of strikers just went up by 25%, with Wesley's injury and JK obviously not a viable alternative.

Unless deals are already in place. We were quite pro active in the summer it seemed, even more reason to be now.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: aev on January 01, 2020, 07:01:22 PM
After the 2 injuries today this is such a crucial window now.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dougs Socks on January 01, 2020, 07:26:20 PM
Jeez, Wes's injury is a shocker!

We were looking at signing another striker before this, so we may see two coming in now.  Im guessing here but...for me,Batshuayi now looks nailed on.

Another one that i think will happen is Hull's Bowen. He can play both wide and at top, so gives us a bit more versatility with team selection/cover.

Any big money will probably go on linking up Benrahma with Smith again.

Judging by the related comments on here concerning Drinkwater and Vida coming in, not everyone will be happy, but i can see these coming pretty quickly, and will make us more solid.

So, these are whom im expecting over the next couple of weeks, most before Man City hopefully.

Batshuayi on Loan
Drinkwater on Loan
Bowen
Benrahma
Vida



Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on January 01, 2020, 07:30:04 PM
Jeez, Wes's injury is a shocker!

We were looking at signing another striker before this, so we may see two coming in now.  Im guessing here but...for me,Batshuayi now looks nailed on.

Another one that i think will happen is Hull's Bowen. He can play both wide and at top, so gives us a bit more versatility with team selection/cover.

Any big money will probably go on linking up Benrahma with Smith again.

Judging by the related comments on here concerning Drinkwater and Vida coming in, not everyone will be happy, but i can see these coming pretty quickly, and will make us more solid.

So, these are whom im expecting over the next couple of weeks, most before Man City hopefully.

Batshuayi on Loan
Drinkwater on Loan
Bowen
Benrahma
Vida





I expect Bowen to be a pretty penny too. Iíd be surprised if we have the money for all those signings.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villan82 on January 01, 2020, 07:30:53 PM
Vida, 2 forwards and a goalkeeper. We can't mess up, we have now a great chance to stay up but we absolutely have to sign a minimum of 4 players.

We simply must consider loan deals too. FFS, staying up is paramount to all other considerations.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 01, 2020, 07:31:07 PM
Hopefully the owners and management team have a meeting planned to discuss a revised wish list for this transfer window - as soon as the extent of the injuries are known ....
I would suggest that loan deals will now be a consideration
So: Keeper, full back, centre mid and at least  one, maybe two strikers
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: four fornicholl on January 01, 2020, 07:33:37 PM
Bebteke for me.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 01, 2020, 07:35:01 PM
We could buy a BMW...

Benrahma, Mbeumo and Watkins.

Well, we didn't seem to get much past clubs starting with BR- in the football directory in the summer.


Other than Southampton, Bournemouth, Reims, Kasimpasa, Man City, Burnley, Wolves, Caen, Birmingham and Lille, you mean?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2020, 07:35:23 PM
I don't see why anyone thinks we're going to sign a 5th goalkeeper, 6th if you include Sarkic.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on January 01, 2020, 07:37:35 PM
I don't see why anyone thinks we're going to sign a 5th goalkeeper, 6th if you include Sarkic.

Perhaps a loan? But we may just go with what we have for the remainder of the season....gulp
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 01, 2020, 07:40:27 PM
I don't see why anyone thinks we're going to sign a 5th goalkeeper, 6th if you include Sarkic.
I know it looks crazy but we literally need " a safe pair of hands" ie a keeper with Premier League experience - on loan until seasons end - that is if Heaton is crocked and out
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brian green on January 01, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
Because I was taken off to N Herts in the General Election I am out of the loop but I still think Ollie Watkins is on our radar.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2020, 07:46:23 PM
I don't see why anyone thinks we're going to sign a 5th goalkeeper, 6th if you include Sarkic.
I know it looks crazy but we literally need " a safe pair of hands" ie a keeper with Premier League experience - on loan until seasons end - that is if Heaton is crocked and out

We're still not going to do it. 5 or 6, depending on how you view Sarkic, first team goalkeepers is mental. Only chance is if we shift a couple with Kalinic being the most likely.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villafirst on January 01, 2020, 07:48:28 PM
Villa still being linked with Jarrod Bowen. Get it done.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 01, 2020, 07:51:23 PM
I don't see why anyone thinks we're going to sign a 5th goalkeeper, 6th if you include Sarkic.
I know it looks crazy but we literally need " a safe pair of hands" ie a keeper with Premier League experience - on loan until seasons end - that is if Heaton is crocked and out

We're still not going to do it. 5 or 6, depending on how you view Sarkic, first team goalkeepers is mental. Only chance is if we shift a couple with Kalinic being the most likely.
fair point .....yes we have sufficient cover but is it of the quality to be relied upon over the next 4/5 months - more than ever we need a settled defence in front of the keeper
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AVH87 on January 01, 2020, 07:51:43 PM
I don't think a keeper will be signed either, even if it's bad news on Heaton. Nyland, Steer (due back end of Feb according to physio room website) and Kalinic if he stays will be the keepers.

I think we'll get a CM, CF and hopefully a winger and Vida too. Majority I expect to be loans.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 01, 2020, 07:52:30 PM
Bowen, Batshuayi, Benteke, Benrahma. Job done. Add in a decent keeper on loan if possible.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 01, 2020, 07:59:22 PM
We don't need a keeper. Keep Nyland for the league games and Kalinic for the cups. That'll do us until Steer gets back. Recall Sarkic to sit on the bench if one of them gets injured.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AVH87 on January 01, 2020, 08:01:12 PM
We don't need a keeper. Keep Nyland for the league games and Kalinic for the cups. That'll do us until Steer gets back. Recall Sarkic to sit on the bench if one of them gets injured.

Agree, we don't have an unlimited budget in terms of loan fees, transfer fees and wages. Replacements for McGinn and Wesley are priorities at the moment, as is a better wide option. If someone like Vida wants to come too, then that's a bonus. Engels has strangely disappeared from the 18.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on January 01, 2020, 08:02:15 PM
Bowen, Batshuayi, Benteke, Benrahma. Job done. Add in a decent keeper on loan if possible.

Whilst these are great, we really need a central midfielder too.  I'd like Eric Dier or Emre Can. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 01, 2020, 08:02:47 PM
My post was somewhat tongue in cheek. I do think Bowen would be a really good signing, especially if we stick with the formation we played today. We really, really need a couple of capable strikers though. Kodjia looks oddly disinterested at times. I really hope Suso et Al have scouted a decent backup striker. We have been seriously hampered by our forward options. To stay up we must sort it.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: exigo on January 01, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
Bowen, Batshuayi, Benteke, Benrahma. Job done. Add in a decent keeper on loan if possible.

Presumably Butland if Suso's rolodex is stuck on B?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: rougegorge on January 01, 2020, 08:16:53 PM
We could buy a BMW...

Benrahma, Mbeumo and Watkins.

Well, we didn't seem to get much past clubs starting with BR- in the football directory in the summer.


Other than Southampton, Bournemouth, Reims, Kasimpasa, Man City, Burnley, Wolves, Caen, Birmingham and Lille, you mean?

Yes I know..that wasn't meant to be taken too literally..although Bi- and Bo- precede Br- as well ,😉
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2020, 09:06:06 PM
Two strikers are required now.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on January 01, 2020, 09:11:17 PM
Big man needed with an off the shoulder type. Hopefully Davis can stay fit.

I think Kodjia is still off.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2020, 09:13:22 PM
We don't need a keeper. Keep Nyland for the league games and Kalinic for the cups. That'll do us until Steer gets back. Recall Sarkic to sit on the bench if one of them gets injured.

Yup agreed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 01, 2020, 09:33:16 PM
One out and out striker, another who can play across the front, a CB and CM
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 01, 2020, 11:33:26 PM
One out and out striker, another who can play across the front, a CB and CM

Is that your wishlist or have you heard whispering those are our targets?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: aj2k77 on January 01, 2020, 11:35:49 PM
Wouldn't be surprised with Batsuayi, Sturridge, Vida and Drinkwater. I wouldn't go for them personally but I still can't see us spending much this window.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 01, 2020, 11:45:09 PM
Hell no to Sturridge and Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Hillbilly on January 01, 2020, 11:46:34 PM
I see someone called Matt Godden has just scored a hattrick in each of Cov's last two games. We should put in a bid. Not saying he'd be any good for us but we can't have that rabble resurfacing.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2020, 12:09:36 AM
One out and out striker, another who can play across the front, a CB and CM

We already have five senior centre backs in the squad, not sure why we would need another. Granted we played three today but that system may not last too long.

Definitely need an experienced CM to come in. Think Eric Dier might not be the worst shout. Career has stagnated at Spurs but still young enough to get back on track. Could also play in a three at the back.

Agreed on a striker and possibly two. Definitely need a better left back/wing back option too.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 12:10:51 AM
If we are switching to three centre-halves on a regular basis, then we may need an extra one. Particularly if Hause shifts to left-back.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2020, 12:33:19 AM
To be honest, if Heaton is out for any length of time, I'd prefer to see us bring in a keeper.

We seen at the start if last season how a ropey keeper can cause panic in the backline. Nyland has done well recently when coming in, admittedly. But he had the odd decent game or two last season as well.  There were far too many more dodgy ones. As someone said last season, he plays like he has crisp packets for hands.  Even when he actually reaches a shot, you fear the ball might still find a way through.

If he struggled in the Championship I don't see the logic in giving him a longer run in a league at a far higher standard.

Kalinac has more pedigree, but again, he was off the pace last year.

It might have to be a loan, but if it is, so be it.  We don't want to be looking back in March points adrift because of delusions about the quality of our back up keepers. It's one area you really can't mess around with.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 12:37:14 AM
If you're getting someone on loan, they're already not good enough to be playing in a top league. Otherwise their club wouldn't have agreed to loan them out. They'll be no better than the two, soon to be three, we have.

We have other priorities.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2020, 12:44:42 AM
As an example, Chelsea, Tottingham or even Southampton's second or third choice keepers will all most likely be of a higher standard than Norway's second choice keeper. Who we signed from the German second division, at the age of 28.  So it's not as if he's one we are bringing along and developing for the future.

If it was for an odd game or two that Heaton was missing, I'd say tough it out.  But it isn't by the looks of it.

We have other areas we need to strengthen as well. But they're all a priority, as far as I can see.  We might have more numbers for one position over another. It doesn't mean we have the required quality.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2020, 12:46:00 AM
And we sign another keeper and still end up relegated, am I the only that thinks 6 first team keepers and FFP aren't a good combination?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2020, 12:47:43 AM
Man City's 3rd choice keeper is Scott Carson.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2020, 12:49:21 AM
If we sign one on loan and get relegated, I don't think it's likely to send us to the wall.

Who knows, they might even help to keep us up - in which case we could sign them in the summer, offload two of the other three, and give Heaton genuine competition for that position.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 02, 2020, 12:50:22 AM
Bowen would be a super buy and from what Iíve seen of him, Cosgrove from Aberdeen could probably fulfil a similar role to that of Wes. Weíll see, am sure there are a few forward targets on the radar.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Flin5tone on January 02, 2020, 12:52:10 AM
Cyriel Dessers rumour

I follow the Dutch League a little and he is one of a few very good strikers we could go for that wouldn't cost much

Let's take a punt on a couple of strikers from abroad!

The fact Kodija is our only fit striker worries the life out of me
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2020, 12:55:31 AM
There used to be the odd older safe pair of hands type keeper around, but not anymore. Getting a loan would be tough that is any better than Nyland. Part of me puts his general shakiness down to 1. not being prepared for how physical the championship is and 2. only having Chester in front of him that could defend. Having Mings, Engels, Hause, Konsa etc in front of him will help a lot. Steer back in Feb too hopefully. Spurs have issues in goal, Southampton can't decide between their 1 and 2, none of the top 4 will let their 2nd choice go etc. Best you could hope for is offering a massive loan fee for a Butland in the Championship, but his form has been pretty rotten for Stoke. Bring a keeper in from a similar league and you are gambling on them getting up to speed. On paper Kalinic looks great, Croatian number 1, big, imposing etc, but looked awful on the pitch. If Nyland can just keep it solid for a few weeks, we could get by.

If we are going 3 at the back, and Smith appears to be using McGinns injury as his reason for changing it, then an extra centre half is a good idea. Chester isn't ready for the premier league every week, Mings gets knocks, none of the others are leaders. Getting another leader in there is a good move.

Up front though, we have to buy 2 forwards. If they are good quality, playing this system, we  stay up IMO. Such a shame because Wesley actually looked the part for the first time in his general game today too. Powerful, used the ball well, got 2-3 good chances and was alert.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2020, 12:55:40 AM
One out and out striker, another who can play across the front, a CB and CM

Is that your wishlist or have you heard whispering those are our targets?

What I heard
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Flin5tone on January 02, 2020, 12:58:46 AM
Can we recall Hogan? I know he's no good but we need the numbers and could play him against Fulham/Leicester
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 02, 2020, 01:00:38 AM
Man City's 3rd choice keeper is Scott Carson.

And Liverpool's is long time lower league keeper Andy Lonergan.

No way are any of the top clubs loaning out their second choice. Equally why would one of our relegation rivals (which is basically the bottom 10 teams) help us out with a good loan keeper? So then we'd be into bringing someone in from abroad who would have to settle into the league so are no advantage over Nyland, Steer and Kalinic.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2020, 01:01:15 AM
Michel Vorm is third choice still at Tottingham.  Looked decent for Swansea, but I'd be concerned about a player who has been content to be a bench option as long as he has.

Souuthampton have Alex McCarthy, Angus Gunn and Fraser Forster. Forster has been doing well on loan at Celtic, but as was the case with Grabban, we know loans can be terminated if the player gets a better offer.

Those are just a few examples who would be better to my mind than Nyland. There will be plenty of others.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mellin on January 02, 2020, 01:03:08 AM
I think Nyland's looked decent when he's played and have complete faith in Steer (back in approx 3 weeks). Would leave the keeper situation alone and strengthen elsewhere.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2020, 01:03:39 AM
They don't loan out their second or third choice very often, it tends to be young keepers loaned to the lower leagues. The situation we are in is why they don't loan the number 2 or 3 keeper.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 01:10:50 AM
Michel Vorm is third choice still at Tottingham.  Looked decent for Swansea, but I'd be concerned about a player who has been content to be a bench option as long as he has.

Souuthampton have Alex McCarthy, Angus Gunn and Fraser Forster. Forster has been doing well on loan at Celtic, but as was the case with Grabban, we know loans can be terminated if the player gets a better offer.

Those are just a few examples who would be better to my mind than Nyland. There will be plenty of others.

Tottenham want three keepers as they are still in three competitions. They won't be loaning one out. That's exactly why Man City signed Carson... emergency cover if required for the Champions League.

And I can't imagine a conversation which started with "hello Southampton, would you like to help us avoid relegation?" would last very long.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 02, 2020, 01:14:46 AM
Michel Vorm is third choice still at Tottingham.  Looked decent for Swansea, but I'd be concerned about a player who has been content to be a bench option as long as he has.

Souuthampton have Alex McCarthy, Angus Gunn and Fraser Forster. Forster has been doing well on loan at Celtic, but as was the case with Grabban, we know loans can be terminated if the player gets a better offer.

Those are just a few examples who would be better to my mind than Nyland. There will be plenty of others.

Forster's excellent but I can't see him giving up medals to come to a relegation scrap.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2020, 01:15:48 AM
There used to be the odd older safe pair of hands type keeper around, but not anymore. Getting a loan would be tough that is any better than Nyland. Part of me puts his general shakiness down to 1. not being prepared for how physical the championship is and 2. only having Chester in front of him that could defend. Having Mings, Engels, Hause, Konsa etc in front of him will help a lot. Steer back in Feb too hopefully. Spurs have issues in goal, Southampton can't decide between their 1 and 2, none of the top 4 will let their 2nd choice go etc. Best you could hope for is offering a massive loan fee for a Butland in the Championship, but his form has been pretty rotten for Stoke. Bring a keeper in from a similar league and you are gambling on them getting up to speed. On paper Kalinic looks great, Croatian number 1, big, imposing etc, but looked awful on the pitch. If Nyland can just keep it solid for a few weeks, we could get by.

If we are going 3 at the back, and Smith appears to be using McGinns injury as his reason for changing it, then an extra centre half is a good idea. Chester isn't ready for the premier league every week, Mings gets knocks, none of the others are leaders. Getting another leader in there is a good move.

Up front though, we have to buy 2 forwards. If they are good quality, playing this system, we  stay up IMO. Such a shame because Wesley actually looked the part for the first time in his general game today too. Powerful, used the ball well, got 2-3 good chances and was alert.

Kalinic is a real strange one. Agreed on the handful of games for us he looked poor but he was the first Dean Smith signing (huge money for the championship) and practically given up on a matter of weeks later. We haven't been able to get rid of him even on loan.

I'd be happy enough with Steer provided he is fit relatively soon. Nyland has done ok in some recent appearances and looks to have filled out a bit. But let's not forget how awful he was last season when first choice.

Given it's there are about 10 teams capable of being relegated, I don't think there will be many if any transfers between those clubs. Chelsea and Spurs may spend a bit which could free up some of their fringe players.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2020, 01:17:29 AM
Southampton's current 3 choice is, I think, 22 year old Harry Lewis. Spent a season on loan at Dundee United in division 2 a couple of years ago and that's it for league appearances.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2020, 01:18:34 AM
Forster is on a season long loan to Celtic.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2020, 01:20:46 AM
Who knows, if Southampton carry on the way they are, by the end of Jan they could be virtually safe.

Begovic is out on loan in, eh, Azerbaijan. Which is an unusual one.  But that loan expires in Jan.

Might not be the player he was, but even the player he is is better than Nyland.  I don't want it to sound like I have a vendetta against him.  I'm sure he is a tryer. But he was signed late in summer 2018, when our first, second and third choices (as a Championship club) were most likely gone after the good doctor's diligent care with the bills and all that jazz.

That was a shite situation then, but we shouldn't perpetuate it by playing the guy just because he's still here.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2020, 01:21:20 AM
Forster is on a season long loan to Celtic.

Yeah, I said that.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2020, 01:26:00 AM
So Southampton are going to recall him to loan him straight out to us and why is he going to leave a title winning side for a relegation battle? Especially as he seems to like Celtic considering the amount of time he's spent there.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2020, 01:30:43 AM
Why did Rodgers jump ship.

Premier League and money.  Mostly money.

He might still have designs on an England place as well, particularly with Heaton now out ironically.

Southgate might look more favourably at a trip to VP to see him than a trip up to chilly Jocko land to see him scratching his arse against Falkirk.

Southampton might have agreed a low/zero loan fee with Celtic because of his connection there.  If we pay a loan fee and take on most of his wages (it's unlikely Celtic will be paying that) it's a better deal for them. In theory.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2020, 01:33:28 AM
He's on loan, he's not going to get a pay rise joining us on loan, or a signing on fee.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2020, 01:34:25 AM
I think Nyland will be fine.
He came and caught a very difficult cross which Heaton would not have taken.
He is good reflex keeper his main problem is his kicking, which I am sure they have worked on.
His throwing is very good.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 02, 2020, 01:35:06 AM
I think any Nylandvwill be fine.
He came and caught a very difficult cross which Heaton would not have taken.
He is good reflex keeper his main problem is his kicking, which I am sure they have worked on.
His throwing is very good.


Agreed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2020, 01:44:28 AM
He's on loan, he's not going to get a pay rise joining us on loan, or a signing on fee.

I'm aware he's on loan.  I think I've said that at least two times now myself.

If he was joining us on loan with a view to a permanent deal in the summer, they'd probably need to do something outlandish like offer his existing wage or an increase on that.  Celtic or other lower division sides aren't likely to be able to match the terms we could.

Point is a deal of that sort can be done - with Forster or another keeper.

We picked up Johnsone who was fourth choice at Man U at the time. That deal carried risks, but he turned out to be a decent keeper for us over two loan spells.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2020, 01:49:32 AM
It's so mental it's almost brilliant.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2020, 01:57:11 AM
It's so mental it's almost brilliant.

You're general lack of awareness and cop on, or something else?

If you're happy to kybosh our chances of staying up by persisting with a bloke who looked ropey in the championship, then kudos to you.

I believe we might need a bit better but it's all opinions, Brian. And any other dial a cliche.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on January 02, 2020, 06:15:48 AM
Vida, Drinkwater, Bowen/Benrahma and Benteke would be a decent windw I think. £20-25m and two loans.

Big asks without Heaton and McGinn and adding two players who haven't been at their best in 3+ years, but would feel optimistic and I think these guys would be better options than what we have currently.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2020, 06:31:55 AM
Begonia on loan till the summer is a good shout if Heston is out for the season
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 07:03:28 AM
One out and out striker, another who can play across the front, a CB and CM

Is that your wishlist or have you heard whispering those are our targets?

What I heard

Ta.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on January 02, 2020, 08:12:17 AM
Begonia on loan till the summer is a good shout if Heston is out for the season

Is he related to Tim Flowers?  Worth going for if of similar pedigree.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2020, 08:17:29 AM
Thankfully fa cup is next game so no need to get someone in asap and panic. City after that unlikely so we might just go with either kodjia or davis up top in next two before we get a striker in.

My preferred option would be batyshayi on loan and bowen signed permanently
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 02, 2020, 09:17:33 AM
Andre Green off to Charlton on loan
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2020, 09:19:45 AM
Andre Green off to Charlton on loan

He will leave on a free come summer if we stay up. Cant see us keeping him. He is pretty average to be honest. Injury prone a d too inconsistent to be  a top player.

Shame as he looked like he has bags of potential when we first saw him
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on January 02, 2020, 09:24:07 AM
Doesn't this apply to most of our youngsters we loan them out for experience but they never seem to improve  enough to come back.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 09:36:29 AM
Steer, Grealish?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2020, 10:32:55 AM
I have it on good authority that the Villa won't be making a move for me in the January window as I've been too inactive over the winter.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 10:40:50 AM
Don't give up. I'd imagine you're still more mobile than Robert Pires.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 02, 2020, 10:59:37 AM
There are not many clubs with a full international Keeper as 4th choice (and Croatia are a good level team). So can't see us buying another one unless one or even two are sold.

Nyland looks much better this season, and any keeper would have struggled behind the shambolic defence and powder puff midfield he was confronted with. Ditto Kalinic who may look better in this team than he did previously (although he does seem to have been written off by the club).

I do think we will sign at least one forward. Smith can save face over Wesley now he is injured and get someone to take his place in the team. Wesley may eventually come good but is clearly not good enough to be our main striker this season.

Have seen enough to think Nakamba could be a good player, but some experience and grit in Midfield would be handy too.

Biggest letdown this season though has been the two wingers. El Ghazi can be unplayable or rubbish and is young so too soon to write him off. However neither him nor Trezeguet have done enough to show they should be regular starters yet. So would not be surprised to see another winger come in.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 02, 2020, 11:25:41 AM
I think Nyland deserves a chance, he's looked very decent in his last few games.  And if he has a good few months we may turn a profit if we sell him in the summer.

With Kalinic and Steer on the books and so much work needed elsewhere in the squad I just can't see us spending money on a keeper.

I'm also amazed we're after a centre half, 5 should really be enough.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2020, 11:36:38 AM
We could also swop Kalinic with one of the keepers of the club he'll be joining.

Obviously have no idea where he'll be going so that leaves a wide open field of suggestions.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2020, 11:43:37 AM
Steer back end of month/early next. We will recall Sarkic and let Kalinic leave as planned this month
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 11:44:59 AM
That seems an unnecessary gamble. Would rather Kalinic than Sarkic, but okay!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 02, 2020, 11:45:31 AM
We could also swop Kalinic with one of the keepers of the club he'll be joining.

Obviously have no idea where he'll be going so that leaves a wide open field of suggestions.

That young fella Gollini at Atalanta looks alright.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2020, 11:52:17 AM
That seems an unnecessary gamble. Would rather Kalinic than Sarkic, but okay!

Steer and Nyland to fight for number 1. Sarkic 3rd option. Donít think itís risky or bad at all (as long as our keeper injury crisis has stopped)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 11:53:52 AM
Yeah, that's fine. I meant until Steer is back. It's a gamble to try to get through January and, possibly, early February with only one recognised goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Brassneck on January 02, 2020, 11:56:34 AM
It may be that after yesterday, 5 central defenders are enough - Unless Deano doesn't want to expose Konsa long term to a relegation scrap or Chester is leaving in Jan.  No way will Hause be used as a LB except in an emergency.

Regarding the keeper, I agree that Nyland deserves his chance.  I think he still has a mistake in him somewhere but with Steer to come back, I'm comfortable with what we have, even allowing for the potential sale of Kalinic this month.

For me, we need to strengthen the midfield and if we stick with the system played on Saturday then Trez/ElGahzi could also be improved on.  The names of Benrahma and Bowen immediately spring to mind.  It's also looking like we may need to bring 2 strikers in, in January now which will be no mean task.  After those 4 positions have been addressed, then we can worry about a keeper or central defender.

That said, as it's likely that we're going to be using the loan market after all, it might be that those 2 positions prove easier to fill.  The 4 I've highlighted will be far more difficult.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2020, 11:57:23 AM
Sturridge has 4 goals and 4 assists in 9 League games so far this season and 3 goals in 2 games in the Cup.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 02, 2020, 12:01:42 PM
Worth considering Ollie Watkins?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2020, 12:03:03 PM
Sturridge has 4 goals and 4 assists in 9 League games so far this season and 3 goals in 2 games in the Cup.
Him managing 9 league games must be some sort of record for him.
Itís a big no from me for the arm waving injury prone twat.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 12:03:28 PM
Sturridge has 4 goals and 4 assists in 9 League games so far this season and 3 goals in 2 games in the Cup.

We don't need another forward for the treatment room, we need one on the pitch.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy65 on January 02, 2020, 12:05:34 PM
Doesn't this apply to most of our youngsters we loan them out for experience but they never seem to improve  enough to come back.

The either sink or swim. Most of ours are the former with Jack being the exception. As I recall Jack got plenty of games time with Notts County whereas a lot of the other players donít seem to get game time due to injuries or attitude etc.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: supertom on January 02, 2020, 12:06:40 PM
I think our attention needs to be focused on strikers, midfield cover and another experience CH. I'm happy with the goalkeeping situation. All being well Steer is back soon. Sarkic, if we do recall him isn't a bad option to have. Even Kalinic, may well come good if called upon. A lot was expected of him, he came with a fine reputation, so I don't think he's a bad keeper. Nyland I think deserves his chance. He was actually coming good just prior to his injury last season after his shaky start. He's done well when he's played this season too, in difficult circumstance in his league appearences too.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy65 on January 02, 2020, 12:07:47 PM
Bowen has scored 51 goals in 117 appearances which is a great strike rate for a winger in a generally mid table team. Great age at 24 as well. He has got to be an upgrade on our current two wingers. Wiki says he failed a trial with us as a youngster!

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 02, 2020, 12:09:23 PM
Signing a new keeper isn't necessary.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 12:14:39 PM
Signing a new keeper isn't necessary.

I agree. But only on the condition that we don't release Kalinic until at least one of Steer or Heaton is back.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Smithy on January 02, 2020, 12:18:04 PM
Doesn't this apply to most of our youngsters we loan them out for experience but they never seem to improve  enough to come back.

The either sink or swim. Most of ours are the former with Jack being the exception. As I recall Jack got plenty of games time with Notts County whereas a lot of the other players donít seem to get game time due to injuries or attitude etc.

Jack got plenty of game time because he was good enough to not only play for, but to stand out in, Notts County's first team - even as a teenager.  Sometimes the youngsters we send out on loan simply aren't good enough to make it at the top level, and they can even struggle at a level or two below - such is the gap at youth/u21 level vs full professionals.

Sometimes players do great on loan, and then don't push on with us.  Remember Luke Moore's loan at Wycombe? I'm sure he scored a hat-trick and a couple of others despite only being with them a few weeks before coming back and straight into our first-team. Started well, then faded, unfortunately.

The reality is, it's pretty rare for clubs to nurture players all the way through the youth set-up and to have them make a sustained impact in the first-team.  We are incredibly lucky to have Jack doing just that right now. As we were with Gabby, Darius and Barry before him. I can't think of many premier league sides that have more than one or two entirely home-grown players in their elevens each week? Chelsea have had it forced on them this season, obviously, but not sure who else?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 02, 2020, 12:27:38 PM
I'm not sure we can claim that Barry is a home grown player. Wasn't he 17 or 18 when we poached him from Brighton?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: supertom on January 02, 2020, 12:29:44 PM
Doesn't this apply to most of our youngsters we loan them out for experience but they never seem to improve  enough to come back.

The either sink or swim. Most of ours are the former with Jack being the exception. As I recall Jack got plenty of games time with Notts County whereas a lot of the other players donít seem to get game time due to injuries or attitude etc.

Jack got plenty of game time because he was good enough to not only play for, but to stand out in, Notts County's first team - even as a teenager.  Sometimes the youngsters we send out on loan simply aren't good enough to make it at the top level, and they can even struggle at a level or two below - such is the gap at youth/u21 level vs full professionals.

Sometimes players do great on loan, and then don't push on with us.  Remember Luke Moore's loan at Wycombe? I'm sure he scored a hat-trick and a couple of others despite only being with them a few weeks before coming back and straight into our first-team. Started well, then faded, unfortunately.

The reality is, it's pretty rare for clubs to nurture players all the way through the youth set-up and to have them make a sustained impact in the first-team.  We are incredibly lucky to have Jack doing just that right now. As we were with Gabby, Darius and Barry before him. I can't think of many premier league sides that have more than one or two entirely home-grown players in their elevens each week? Chelsea have had it forced on them this season, obviously, but not sure who else?
I think in the case of RHM and Green, injuries have blighted their development. It's been similar with Keinan, although he's generally (when fit) been in our first time more than we may have expected in comparison to the other two. But then Gabby was deemed to have less natural ability than the Moores and we know how their respective careers turned out.
I have no idea if something at BH is contributing to our kids picking up injuries or if it's simply misfortunate, but some have really been unlucky. It always seems to happen at key times too.
I'm hoping, in the case of Davis in particular, that he can come back and just have a good spell clear of injuries. There's a player there. 18-22 is such a key age and if a player ends up out for half a season it can have a huge effect on their development. I hope Green in particular can recover from it. He looked potentially great at 18.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 02, 2020, 01:11:24 PM
I agree. But only on the condition that we don't release Kalinic until at least one of Steer or Heaton is back.
Yep, fair enough.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villadelph on January 02, 2020, 02:47:28 PM
Batshuayi news heating up..
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2020, 02:51:43 PM
I think we'll have to wait until Moussa Dembele moves to Chelsea. At least they're not wasting time, they've already put a Ä40m offer in though it has been knocked back.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on January 02, 2020, 03:08:05 PM
Batshuayi would be fantastic. He lacks consistency but fiercly talented.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2020, 03:22:44 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Richard E on January 02, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.

Do we really want to sign a player with a surname that difficult to spell correctly? Some of our fans had enough trouble with Kozak. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 02, 2020, 03:26:06 PM
Batshuayi news heating up..

Someone's already changed his current club to Villa on Wiki
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2020, 03:27:52 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.

Do we really want to sign a player with a surname that difficult to spell correctly? Some of our fans had enough trouble with Kozak.

Who loves ya baby?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on January 02, 2020, 03:52:51 PM
I'm not sure we can claim that Barry is a home grown player. Wasn't he 17 or 18 when we poached him from Brighton?

16. Made his Villa debut at 17 and a couple of months.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2020, 04:04:39 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.

Do we really want to sign a player with a surname that difficult to spell correctly? Some of our fans had enough trouble with Kozak. 

Kozak? People couldn't get Ciaran Clarke right
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2020, 04:07:20 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.

Do we really want to sign a player with a surname that difficult to spell correctly? Some of our fans had enough trouble with Kozak. 

Kozak? People couldn't get Ciaran Clarke right

So ably demonstrated.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2020, 04:08:21 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.

Do we really want to sign a player with a surname that difficult to spell correctly? Some of our fans had enough trouble with Kozak. 

Kozak? People couldn't get Ciaran Clarke right

So ably demonstrated.

Insert "that's the joke" meme.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2020, 04:10:39 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.

Do we really want to sign a player with a surname that difficult to spell correctly? Some of our fans had enough trouble with Kozak. 

Kozak? People couldn't get Ciaran Clarke right

So ably demonstrated.

Insert "that's the joke" meme.

*Realises failure to insert winky casts doubt on intention of post.*
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2020, 04:11:48 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.

Do we really want to sign a player with a surname that difficult to spell correctly? Some of our fans had enough trouble with Kozak. 

Kozak? People couldn't get Ciaran Clarke right

So ably demonstrated.

Insert "that's the joke" meme.

*Realises failure to insert winky casts doubt on intention of post.*

You used to be one of the smartest and most astute posters on here

*winky*
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2020, 04:16:54 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.

Do we really want to sign a player with a surname that difficult to spell correctly? Some of our fans had enough trouble with Kozak. 

Kozak? People couldn't get Ciaran Clarke right

So ably demonstrated.

Insert "that's the joke" meme.

*Realises failure to insert winky casts doubt on intention of post.*

You used to be one of the smartest and most astute posters on here

*winky*

Yeah, these days I'm past it and playing in the lower leagues. I even posted in the Timewasters section t'other day.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2020, 04:22:26 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.

Do we really want to sign a player with a surname that difficult to spell correctly? Some of our fans had enough trouble with Kozak. 

Kozak? People couldn't get Ciaran Clarke right

So ably demonstrated.

Insert "that's the joke" meme.

*Realises failure to insert winky casts doubt on intention of post.*

You used to be one of the smartest and most astute posters on here

*winky*

Yeah, these days I'm past it and playing in the lower leagues. I even posted in the Timewasters section t'other day.
Thatís the equivalent of Radio Sad, yerll quite literally be mumbling around midnight in A Lambertastique sort of way mate.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 02, 2020, 04:25:54 PM
Don't want to pee on anyone's chips, but from what I've read from Chelsea fans he offers very little outside of the box, gets caught offside a lot. He is a good finisher though, so if we create chances for him it could work out.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villadelph on January 02, 2020, 04:33:40 PM
Don't want to pee on anyone's chips, but from what I've read from Chelsea fans he offers very little outside of the box, gets caught offside a lot. He is a good finisher though, so if we create chances for him it could work out.

Theyíre also the club that let Mo Salah and Kevin de Bruyne leave.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 04:34:07 PM
And Sidwell, the fools!

Oh, wait.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 02, 2020, 04:34:34 PM
Don't want to pee on anyone's chips, but from what I've read from Chelsea fans he offers very little outside of the box, gets caught offside a lot. He is a good finisher though, so if we create chances for him it could work out.

agreed. I don't think anyone thinks he's the world's best (he'd be playing if he was). What he does do, though, is score goals. with Wesley a cropper I think we need 2 strikers (or one and another that can play wider). we should go for Batshuayi on loan but then another guy who's more physical. it would be quite a big change in style of play (Wesley's faults aside) to not have a big target man which might be a bit risky at this stage if it takes any time for the rest of the team to get up to speed. Someone in before Citeh is a must though
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2020, 04:38:39 PM
Don't want to pee on anyone's chips, but from what I've read from Chelsea fans he offers very little outside of the box, gets caught offside a lot. He is a good finisher though, so if we create chances for him it could work out.

They didn't rate Tammy very highly at one point. Not just the fans, the club also. We'd have got him if they weren't forced to keep him and play him. Like anything let's see what happens if he comes here, but he's got talent and ability. It's up to us then to get it out of him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2020, 04:40:41 PM
Don't want to pee on anyone's chips, but from what I've read from Chelsea fans he offers very little outside of the box, gets caught offside a lot. He is a good finisher though, so if we create chances for him it could work out.

They didn't rate Tammy very highly at one point. Not just the fans, the club also. We'd have got him if they weren't forced to keep him and play him. Like anything let's see what happens if he comes here, but he's got talent and ability. It's up to us then to get it out of him.

Yep exactly.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 02, 2020, 05:04:05 PM
I'm not saying he's awful, just wondering if he's suited to our way of playing. We may be better with Giroud for half a season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mallo on January 02, 2020, 05:36:17 PM
I'm not saying he's awful, just wondering if he's suited to our way of playing. We may be better with Giroud for half a season.
Why not both?
With Wes being out for the season we need someone in asap and up to speed. Add in another backup striker, get rid of Kodjia and get a creative midfielder in as well. When is Davis back fit?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Border villan on January 02, 2020, 05:42:00 PM
I'm not saying he's awful, just wondering if he's suited to our way of playing. We may be better with Giroud for half a season.
Happy with Giroud  for the first half of the season.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy65 on January 02, 2020, 05:42:19 PM
Batshuayi is a very similar player to tammy from what i have seen. He is strong big and can score. Think that might be one of the reasons chelsea would let him go.

Get him on loan with option to buy in summer.  He did very well at palace last year.

Do we really want to sign a player with a surname that difficult to spell correctly? Some of our fans had enough trouble with Kozak. 

Kozak? People couldn't get Ciaran Clarke right

He broke Kozakís leg
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Pete3206 on January 02, 2020, 05:45:32 PM
We need a striker ASAP

Batshuayi fits the job description for me. Get him!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Des Little on January 02, 2020, 05:49:09 PM
We need two strikers, not just the one.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on January 02, 2020, 05:50:22 PM
Amazed Bowen didn't move in the summer and much as i hope we entice him here, i just can't see Hull letting him go whilst they have a chance of he play offs. I suppose if their form goes in  the next few weeks and they find themselves adrift at theend of the window they might be tempted but even then, it's going to take a sizable bid imo. Another i really like the look of is Eze at QPR but I can see him going to someone bigger than us.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2020, 06:04:12 PM
I'm not saying he's awful, just wondering if he's suited to our way of playing. We may be better with Giroud for half a season.
Why not both?
With Wes being out for the season we need someone in asap and up to speed. Add in another backup striker, get rid of Kodjia and get a creative midfielder in as well. When is Davis back fit?

I can't see Chelsea loaning us both of them, if that's what you meant. Benteke would fit into that system we played yesterday but it would be a risk.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: andyh on January 02, 2020, 06:05:52 PM
I have always rated Giroud, I think he is a top,top  quality striker.
I wonder if he would give up the bright lights of London though. For no obvious reason, I suspect he is might be tied to that place.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on January 02, 2020, 06:13:38 PM
I really rate him, think his build up play at Palace was one of his better attributes. He had a really positive impact and linked up well with their best players.

I'm sure he'll love playing with Jack
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2020, 06:26:50 PM
Amazed Bowen didn't move in the summer and much as i hope we entice him here, i just can't see Hull letting him go whilst they have a chance of he play offs. I suppose if their form goes in  the next few weeks and they find themselves adrift at theend of the window they might be tempted but even then, it's going to take a sizable bid imo. Another i really like the look of is Eze at QPR but I can see him going to someone bigger than us.

Eze is a year or 2 away from being looked at by top half clubs. Potentially a very good player though, he'd be above Bowen on my list from the championship.

Giroud is a good player but has the same problem as Lansbury in that he will do something good and then admire it for a minute or two. My mate is big Arsenal fan and he thought Giroud was their weak link for ages because he was just a highlights player.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Pete3206 on January 02, 2020, 08:21:56 PM
I really rate him, think his build up play at Palace was one of his better attributes. He had a really positive impact and linked up well with their best players.

I'm sure he'll love playing with Jack

I'm sure Tammy will have a few decent things to say about the club as well.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 02, 2020, 08:28:51 PM
We need two strikers, not just the one.
and a defensive midfielder with some experience in the Premier league
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: DB on January 02, 2020, 08:43:37 PM
We need two strikers, not just the one.

Yep, we donít want to be a stuck if the 1 striker get injured or doesnít work out, like now.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy65 on January 02, 2020, 08:47:35 PM
I have always rated Giroud, I think he is a top,top  quality striker.
I wonder if he would give up the bright lights of London though. For no obvious reason, I suspect he is might be tied to that place.

Doesnít score enough for  me. 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 02, 2020, 08:57:17 PM
I have always rated Giroud, I think he is a top,top  quality striker.
I wonder if he would give up the bright lights of London though. For no obvious reason, I suspect he is might be tied to that place.

Doesnít score enough for  me. 
just the type of forward Villa love to sign
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on January 02, 2020, 09:02:19 PM
He doesnít score that many but heís a Wesley kind of player, albeit probably a better one, which suggests he will slot in easily.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 09:19:54 PM
I have always rated Giroud, I think he is a top,top  quality striker.
I wonder if he would give up the bright lights of London though. For no obvious reason, I suspect he is might be tied to that place.

Doesnít score enough for  me.

He scores too many for my liking. Absolutely sick of celebrating goals only to have them disallowed ten minutes later, and a bloke who likes scoring will only add to the problem. I'd like to see us bring Hogan back.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on January 02, 2020, 09:35:58 PM
I see Jack Butlands agent is at it again.....a tenuous press link...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: London Villan on January 02, 2020, 09:36:54 PM
We can only loan 2 players?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2020, 09:51:22 PM
I can't see Chelsea loaning us both of them, if that's what you meant.

Neither can I as the rules don't allow it ;)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 03, 2020, 08:10:44 AM
If bats isnt really interested id move on. Mitrovic is my preferred option. Scores and proven at pl level. Fulham are not guranteed promotion either.

Id also look at joe allen at stoke for cover for mcginn.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: darren woolley on January 03, 2020, 09:05:08 AM
I hope we sign two or three players this window.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 03, 2020, 09:07:09 AM
If bats isnt really interested id move on. Mitrovic is my preferred option. Scores and proven at pl level. Fulham are not guranteed promotion either.

Id also look at joe allen at stoke for cover for mcginn.


Mitrovic would be great, sure, but would surely cost us a fortune.

If we couldn't afford 20m for Maupay, there's no way we're blowing 25+ on Mitrovic.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on January 03, 2020, 09:11:42 AM
We need a goalie now too. Maybe another attmept to get Etheridge?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 03, 2020, 09:21:40 AM
We need a goalie now too. Maybe another attmept to get Etheridge?

Depends when Steer is due back. If by the end of January then we don't need another really. Steer, Nyland, Kalinic (not to mention the 'young' lad Sarkic as back-up) -- at some point you have to make do. Can't keep signing 2 new goalkeepers every single season, particularly when there are issues elsewhere in the squad and funds are tight.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: TaxDodger on January 03, 2020, 09:25:48 AM
I'd sign a keeper. Gambling our Premier League future on Nyland doesn't seem particularly wise. I guess we can give him the cup games and Man City and see how he does.

Not entirely sure what proven Premier League goalkeepers are available however.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 03, 2020, 09:28:26 AM
when's steer back? is he good enough?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2020, 09:28:35 AM
Nyland has looked good in his cameos. Itís worth noting he struggled behind completely different centre halves in the Championship, plus he was new to the country.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on January 03, 2020, 09:28:43 AM
Well hardly anyone thought we didn't need to replace him with Heaton in the summer, except probably me, as i thought Steer could do a job. Looks like we will need someone in now, particularly if Kalinic goes out on loan. Fuck the Batman if he's dithering on a move. We need to act quickly and recruit people who unequivocally want to be here.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Brassneck on January 03, 2020, 09:29:29 AM
We need a goalie now too. Maybe another attmept to get Etheridge?

Depends when Steer is due back. If by the end of January then we don't need another really. Steer, Nyland, Kalinic (not to mention the 'young' lad Sarkic as back-up) -- at some point you have to make do. Can't keep signing 2 new goalkeepers every single season, particularly when there are issues elsewhere in the squad and funds are tight.

I'd say that Kalinic could well still leave this window and we'll then recall Sarkic.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 03, 2020, 09:42:37 AM
Its a huge gamble sticking with nyland only. He looked hopeless a majority of last year. Also he had big injury so we need to be very careful. When is steer back?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 03, 2020, 09:46:59 AM
I hope we sign two or three players this window.

I'd like to change "window" to "morning".
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KRS on January 03, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
Time for John Terry to make himself useful...get Giroud or Batshuayi in asap.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 03, 2020, 09:58:59 AM
Its a huge gamble sticking with nyland only. He looked hopeless a majority of last year. Also he had big injury so we need to be very careful. When is steer back?

Steer back end of Jan to start of Feb.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 03, 2020, 10:01:41 AM
Its a huge gamble sticking with nyland only. He looked hopeless a majority of last year. Also he had big injury so we need to be very careful. When is steer back?

Steer back end of Jan to start of Feb.

Thats good news at least.  If thats the acse i dont think we will go for a keeper. Only issue is if nyland gets injured inbetween then we have only kalinic a d sarkic
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on January 03, 2020, 10:02:18 AM
What a mare. Weíve got a lot to do and not a lot of wiggle room (FFP) to do it. In a sellers window.


Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Colhint on January 03, 2020, 10:29:35 AM
Not always a sellers window, there will be a few wanting game time with the Euro's coming up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: puppyfeat on January 03, 2020, 10:41:36 AM
If bats isnt really interested id move on. Mitrovic is my preferred option. Scores and proven at pl level. Fulham are not guranteed promotion either.

Id also look at joe allen at stoke for cover for mcginn.


Mitrovic would be great, sure, but would surely cost us a fortune.

If we couldn't afford 20m for Maupay, there's no way we're blowing 25+ on Mitrovic.
I doubt that Mitrovic would join us even if we were prepared to pay the asking price and Fulham were willing - he could have joined another PL club last season or gone abroad, but he chose to stick with Fulham because he loves it there.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: The Edge on January 03, 2020, 10:51:21 AM
What a mare. Weíve got a lot to do and not a lot of wiggle room (FFP) to do it. In a sellers window.
After losing our first choice keeper and only viable centre forward the club should be pushing for a bit of leeway from the powers that be regarding ffp. God knows we have the financial clout just waiting to be unleashed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on January 03, 2020, 10:55:08 AM
Dumb question probably but what would be the convention around FFP and long term injuries? Is there any adjustment or write down of values in this situation?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 03, 2020, 10:59:12 AM
I doubt it. The rules are set up to prevent the likes of us from challenging the moneyed elite.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 03, 2020, 11:00:00 AM
Dumb question probably but what would be the convention around FFP and long term injuries? Is there any adjustment or write down of values in this situation?
Not a dumb question at all, I was wondering the same.  I suspect there's no loopholes for injuries, but would be interested to hear.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 03, 2020, 11:03:29 AM
I don't think we can go for a keeper.  By all accounts the budget was very limited this window anyway and with gaping holes elsewhere in the squad I just don't think we have any option but to make do with Nyland & Steer.  To be fair, Nyland looks well up for it and has done ok so far.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AV82EC on January 03, 2020, 11:06:11 AM
The thing I noticed on Saturday when he came on, has he bulked up a bit certainly seemed more of a unit.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2020, 11:09:32 AM
Dumb question probably but what would be the convention around FFP and long term injuries? Is there any adjustment or write down of values in this situation?
Not a dumb question at all, I was wondering the same.  I suspect there's no loopholes for injuries, but would be interested to hear.

It is fucking madness really. The biggest threat of financial calamity to the club is getting relegated, and the chances of this happening are significantly higher with three top players out long term, but no, you can't invest your own money to prevent this in case you break the rules supposedly in place to prevent your club facing a financial calamity.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 03, 2020, 11:09:43 AM
I don't think we can go for a keeper.  By all accounts the budget was very limited this window anyway and with gaping holes elsewhere in the squad I just don't think we have any option but to make do with Nyland & Steer.  To be fair, Nyland looks well up for it and has done ok so far.

Exactly. We just can't afford to.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2020, 11:14:06 AM
Anyone know how close we are to having more than 25 squad members (which I think is the limit less homegrowns)? And can we take Heaton and Wesley out of that number at the end of this transfer window if need be?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: DennisHodgetts on January 03, 2020, 11:18:04 AM
Should we be looking at recalling some of our players out on loan to fill the squad out now? Hogan, O'Hare and RHM come to mind.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: TheMalandro on January 03, 2020, 11:19:30 AM
Dumb question probably but what would be the convention around FFP and long term injuries? Is there any adjustment or write down of values in this situation?
Not a dumb question at all, I was wondering the same.  I suspect there's no loopholes for injuries, but would be interested to hear.

It is fucking madness really. The biggest threat of financial calamity to the club is getting relegated, and the chances of this happening are significantly higher with three top players out long term, but no, you can't invest your own money to prevent this in case you break the rules supposedly in place to prevent your club facing a financial calamity.

Spot on. It's ridiculous.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 03, 2020, 11:24:34 AM
Should we be looking at recalling some of our players out on loan to fill the squad out now? Hogan, O'Hare and RHM come to mind.

Hogan and RHM haven't done much, the ones doing ok, or at least playing pretty often, are O'Hare, Bree, Sarkic and Doyle-Hayes.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
I don't think we can go for a keeper.  By all accounts the budget was very limited this window anyway and with gaping holes elsewhere in the squad I just don't think we have any option but to make do with Nyland & Steer.  To be fair, Nyland looks well up for it and has done ok so far.

Exactly. We just can't afford to.

We can with loans. There's no need to buy another keeper, unless we sell Kalinic. But there are other keepers out there who'd fancy half a season on loan, especially with the amount of action they'd get with us!

Smith has said we're hoping to get stuff done before we play City. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: UK Redsox on January 03, 2020, 11:41:06 AM

Smith has said we're hoping to get stuff done before we play City. Fingers crossed.

Leicester or Manchester ?

C'mon Drummond, I expect better from you ;)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 03, 2020, 11:45:04 AM
Ones that are better than Nyland/Steer and will actually be available on loan isn't easy imo. We probably had the most depth GK wise in the country, and look at us. Loans now will be most likely 3rd/4th choice and I just don't see that they're going to be better than what we already have.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: danno on January 03, 2020, 11:52:45 AM
Problem solved.
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Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2020, 11:57:29 AM

Smith has said we're hoping to get stuff done before we play City. Fingers crossed.

Leicester or Manchester ?

C'mon Drummond, I expect better from you ;)

Christ on a bike. This is appalling. I'm really letting myself down at the moment.

I knew, just knew I should have put, 'in the league, on 12th'.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mallo on January 03, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
Despite the really bad news of Heaton and Wesleys injuries, at least we're in a position to do something about it. Norwich / Watford / Newcastle / Brighton will struggle to sign big players I would expect. I really hope a couple of strikers come in. I would be belt and braces and see if we can get a loan keeper in as well. Midfielder also a must but not too bothered about defence with Mings back.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on January 03, 2020, 12:07:46 PM
I suspect we'll make do with the keepers we have.
Critical to get a striker in, obviously. An additional combative midfielder is also necessary. Bowen or another winger would be a luxury in the present situation.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: darren woolley on January 03, 2020, 12:35:15 PM
I think we will go with the keepers we have already got we need to sort out the front line situation first.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 03, 2020, 12:37:30 PM
Genuine question as I've not extensively watched Bowen (though been impressed when I have):

Can he be a main/back up striker as well as an attacking wide player? In other words is it an option to sign Bowen and a recognised striker and then strengthen elsewhere?

I imagine that they will quickly have a view on a keeper - either Kalinic stays until the summer or he goes as Steer is nearing fitness and they can/will recall Sarkic from Livingston. UTV.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Border villan on January 03, 2020, 12:40:39 PM
If we can move on Kodjia, Landsbury and Kalinic the limit of 25 should not be a problem.
RHM could also be out on loan as his future at B6 must be in doubt as he never makes the squad.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AV82EC on January 03, 2020, 12:41:46 PM
If we can move on Kodjia, Landsbury and Kalinic the limit of 25 should not be a problem.
RHM could also be out on loan as his future at B6 must be in doubt as he never makes the squad.

RHM already is on loan at Tranmere
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: phantom limb on January 03, 2020, 12:41:52 PM
Even if we do bring in a striker, we need someone else who can play as a winger/second striker as there is no guarantee that the new striker will start scoring immediately and stay fit for the rest of the season. Weíre in some right old shit here.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Border villan on January 03, 2020, 12:43:01 PM
If we can move on Kodjia, Landsbury and Kalinic the limit of 25 should not be a problem.
RHM could also be out on loan as his future at B6 must be in doubt as he never makes the squad.

RHM already is on loan at Tranmere

Oops!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Border villan on January 03, 2020, 12:49:47 PM
RHM is now 21 and a half - still ďone for the futureĒ? I forgot he was already out on loan.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 03, 2020, 12:55:07 PM
Might have to recall RHM if kodjia goes. Any decent strikers in the youth we can call upon? Ramsey?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Legion on January 03, 2020, 01:20:12 PM
Ramsey is more of a midfielder. Archer is a striker.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john e on January 03, 2020, 01:32:20 PM
W me are now linked with 500 players

but will still end up with Grant Holt
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 03, 2020, 01:32:44 PM
U23 players don't count as part of the squad of 25, is that right?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Legion on January 03, 2020, 01:33:37 PM
I think so.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 03, 2020, 02:12:16 PM
Drinkwater back to Chelsea. better not be because he's coming to us
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: old man villa fan on January 03, 2020, 02:12:49 PM
If players are out for the season, can you take them out of the squad?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 03, 2020, 02:15:56 PM
If players are out for the season, can you take them out of the squad?

there might be a limit on the number you can remove but i'm pretty sure you can
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2020, 02:37:37 PM
I thought you could take up to 3 out. Not being able to remove Heaton and Wes would be seriously punitive from the Premier league.

I really hope we get someone with a bit of pace up top. Useful as Giroud might be for example, he can't run. Bet Smith wishes he'd bought Maupay even more last summer now.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 03, 2020, 03:03:02 PM
Drinkwater back to Chelsea. better not be because he's coming to us

His contract at Burnley always ran out today. I'm thinking he wouldn't have been on their bench against us if he was a certainty to join us.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on January 03, 2020, 03:17:45 PM
Genuine question as I've not extensively watched Bowen (though been impressed when I have):

Can he be a main/back up striker as well as an attacking wide player? In other words is it an option to sign Bowen and a recognised striker and then strengthen elsewhere?

I'd say "yes" to that, Russ; and IMHO AEG would be a far better inside forward than wide man, so he could support our new striker in a 3-5-2 set-up..
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 03, 2020, 03:23:59 PM
Drinkwater back to Chelsea. better not be because he's coming to us

His contract at Burnley always ran out today. I'm thinking he wouldn't have been on their bench against us if he was a certainty to join us.

thanks - you've calmed my fears!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 03, 2020, 03:24:32 PM
Batshuayi can go accoridng to chelsea number 2 jody morris. Lets get this done
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Pete3206 on January 03, 2020, 03:38:07 PM
Absolutely yes to Batshuayi
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2020, 03:54:50 PM
Batshuayi can go accoridng to chelsea number 2 jody morris. Lets get this done

I reckon he'll go to Palace as makeweight part of a deal for Zaha.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 03, 2020, 04:01:18 PM
Batshuayi can go accoridng to chelsea number 2 jody morris. Lets get this done

I reckon he'll go to Palace as makeweight part of a deal for Zaha.

booooo. that's very logical thinking. ill have none of that on here please
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 03, 2020, 04:09:51 PM
Batshuayi can go accoridng to chelsea number 2 jody morris. Lets get this done

I reckon he'll go to Palace as makeweight part of a deal for Zaha.

Lampard says he's not interested and Hodgson says he's not for sale.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 03, 2020, 04:11:38 PM
Batshuayi can go accoridng to chelsea number 2 jody morris. Lets get this done

I reckon he'll go to Palace as makeweight part of a deal for Zaha.

Lampard says he's not interested and Hodgson says he's not for sale.


hoooooooray  , well it is panto  season
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2020, 04:12:00 PM
Batshuayi can go accoridng to chelsea number 2 jody morris. Lets get this done

I reckon he'll go to Palace as makeweight part of a deal for Zaha.

Lampard says he's not interested and Hodgson says he's not for sale.

Monday then?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ian J on January 03, 2020, 04:19:02 PM
Batshuayi can go accoridng to chelsea number 2 jody morris. Lets get this done

I reckon he'll go to Palace as makeweight part of a deal for Zaha.

Lampard says he's not interested and Hodgson says he's not for sale.

Monday then?
Is he any good?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mellin on January 03, 2020, 04:41:45 PM
Did well on loan at Dortmund and Palace. Not so well at Valencia, so he can play in the right environment.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 03, 2020, 04:44:36 PM
Absolutely yes to Batshuayi

He'll be the first player i can remember playing for us whose name sounds like the typical backing vocal of a song from from the 60s/50s.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: rougegorge on January 03, 2020, 05:07:01 PM
If we are serious about staying up, we need to get in some experienced players and preferably with a bit of pace: two strikers and a winger or wide midfielder are the priorities.

There is no point in recalling any loanees as the level won't be high enough. O'Hare is doing well enough at Coventry, but that is league 1 and RHM isn't really pulling up trees at Tranmere.

Also if we had decent young players who were anywhere near ready for the first team, they'd surely have featured against Liverpool in the League Cup.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 03, 2020, 05:35:53 PM
Brentford have 2 strikers lined up so Watkins is on the way somewhere
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: auntiesledd on January 03, 2020, 05:46:05 PM
Drinkwater back to Chelsea. better not be because he's coming to us

His contract at Burnley always ran out today. I'm thinking he wouldn't have been on their bench against us if he was a certainty to join us.

thanks - you've calmed my fears!

Drinkwater's gone to pot since being an integral part of Leicester's Prem winning team. His driving ban & that post-nightclub nonsense in Manchester last year are both seemingly indicative of him being a liability these days. Had he lived up to his name, he might well have stayed within barge-pole range...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: auntiesledd on January 03, 2020, 05:51:28 PM
Brentford have 2 strikers lined up so Watkins is on the way somewhere

They'll probably end up getting Hogan back: with the inevitable outcome of him scoring shit-loads for them again!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: TonyD on January 03, 2020, 06:02:01 PM
We now need two quality strikers to stay.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: jwarry on January 03, 2020, 06:52:22 PM
We now need two quality strikers to stay.

Bowen and Watkins would be ideal, and if they can get Batshuayi as well it would be a fantastic window
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Hockley Lion on January 03, 2020, 07:09:31 PM
BBC gossip says man-ure have targeted Jack for January!

Also that we're targeting Batshuayi & Giroud from Chelski and considering Butland from Stoke.

Anyone?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: TheMalandro on January 03, 2020, 07:13:25 PM
BBC gossip says man-ure have targeted Jack for January!

Also that we're targeting Batshuayi & Giroud from Chelski and considering Butland from Stoke.

Anyone?

Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on January 03, 2020, 07:14:58 PM
Youíve got to admire the brass neckery. If we sold Jack it would have to have least one seasonís worth of sky money added to it to make any sense for us.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on January 03, 2020, 07:31:57 PM
Losing Heaton is huge Wesley less so as we all thought we had to get a couple of strikers in. Getting Mings back and Hause stepping up has strengthened us so if we can get someone decent up front and hopefully Bowen then we will have done well.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on January 03, 2020, 07:43:50 PM
We definitely do not need Butland.


Do we?!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: themossman on January 03, 2020, 07:47:48 PM
Heaton is gutting. The issue is we have been set up to concede so many shots on goal that anything less than a keeper of his quality (and he is top, top quality, I didnít fully appreciate it until he played for us) could mean the whole approach needs rethinking.

How many times in a game does he catch the ball decisively, with absolutely no fuss at all, making a dangerous attack look like nothing. I donít think weíre going to get that off whoever replaces him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2020, 07:59:50 PM
The goal keeping spot will be interesting. I'd love to see Nyland given another crack at it but we bought Heaton for a reason and his experience has been valuable so far. I reckon they're a bit further down the line with a striker coming in though.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 03, 2020, 08:05:13 PM
We definitely do not need Butland.


Do we?!

I'd rather Butland over Nyland... I'd have been more comfortable with Steer.

Stoke and Butland need to part ways. They've sort of had a hand in ruining each other.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 03, 2020, 08:05:58 PM
No chance are we signing a keeper now sarkic is back! We need a cb, mid  striker and winger who can play centrally. Any combination of loans or buys will do but it makes sense to buy a striker and winger and loan the other 2. The extra centre back should be able to cover at wing back to allow us to stay 3 at the back moving forward.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VWBelgian on January 03, 2020, 08:22:33 PM
And try to sell Kalinic ...
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2020, 08:27:47 PM
Think Nyland will be given the next 3-4 games and we'll then make a decision by end of January (of course Steer might be close to returning in any case).

Good range of opponents to test him out. Man. City where we'll need him to be tipping their 6-7 shots on target round the post (I dread to think of % of shots on target he let in last season) and then Brighton and Watford where he'll have less to do but concentration will be needed.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on January 03, 2020, 08:30:16 PM
Yes please to Butland.  Why not? 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 03, 2020, 08:34:06 PM
I'm not convinced by Butland, Stoke have ruined him. And they want stupid money for him, something saft like £30m in the summer.

Although my sources say that they'll accept £5m if we take Hogan back as well.
/baddumtish
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 03, 2020, 08:34:24 PM
Yes please to Butland.  Why not?

Because his form has been poor for the last couple of seasons. Stoke seem to be dumping high earners from their squad so the fee could be reasonable enough. My preference is to get Steer back in as soon as he is fit. Has played successfully with likes of Mings and Hause already . New keeper would have to develop that understanding mid season which would be far from ideal.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on January 03, 2020, 08:40:12 PM
Yes please to Butland.  Why not?

Because his form has been poor for the last couple of seasons. Stoke seem to be dumping high earners from their squad so the fee could be reasonable enough. My preference is to get Steer back in as soon as he is fit. Has played successfully with likes of Mings and Hause already . New keeper would have to develop that understanding mid season which would be far from ideal.

I'd take him, depending on the fee.  We have a habit of turning players around and making them good again.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LukeJames on January 03, 2020, 08:49:43 PM
Every time I watch Stoke (granted thats not many) Butland makes a cock up, Stoke have destroyed him and would want a ridiculous amount of money for him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 03, 2020, 08:50:18 PM
We now need two quality strikers to stay.

Bowen and Watkins would be ideal, and if they can get Batshuayi as well it would be a fantastic window

Marcus Rashford?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2020, 09:01:11 PM
Butland is broken. Much like Scott Carson got broken, and Joe Hart is broken.

Bowen and Watkins would be great but cost a fortune. I wish we could go get 2 or 3 young prospects like Brentford pick up though, before having to spunk 20 million on them.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: CT on January 03, 2020, 09:01:28 PM
Every time I watch Stoke (granted thats not many) Butland makes a cock up, Stoke have destroyed him and would want a ridiculous amount of money for him.

My Stoke mate sent me a message about Butland "Any chance you're taking poppadom hands off us?"

He said he isn't good enough for Stoke, let alone the PL.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: phantom limb on January 03, 2020, 09:15:37 PM
Stoke should have just sold Butland in the summer. Iím sure heíll move eventually but it will now be for a much reduced fee, and I think heíd need to go somewhere where there is going to be less pressure on him so he can get his form back. Moving to a premier league team at this stage could potentially destroy him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 03, 2020, 09:24:51 PM
We now need two quality strikers to stay.

Bowen and Watkins would be ideal, and if they can get Batshuayi as well it would be a fantastic window
What about a front two of Batshuayi and Benteke ??
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john e on January 03, 2020, 09:27:30 PM
We now need two quality strikers to stay.

Bowen and Watkins would be ideal, and if they can get Batshuayi as well it would be a fantastic window
What about a front two of Batshuayi and Benteke ??

Bat & Ben
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 03, 2020, 10:49:13 PM
Roofe from anderlecht for 7 million might have legs. Scored  6 in 13 this season for them I think and only 26
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2020, 10:50:55 PM
Roofe from anderlecht for 7 million might have legs. Scored  6 in 13 this season for them I think and only 26

Not for me, was hit and miss in the championship.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on January 03, 2020, 10:54:04 PM
Butland is broken. Much like Scott Carson got broken, and Joe Hart is broken.

Bowen and Watkins would be great but cost a fortune. I wish we could go get 2 or 3 young prospects like Brentford pick up though, before having to spunk 20 million on them.

Just as the Daily Mail links us to Joe Hart!! 
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john e on January 03, 2020, 10:59:35 PM
Roofe from anderlecht for 7 million might have legs. Scored  6 in 13 this season for them I think and only 26

Not for me, was hit and miss in the championship.


yeah but your not going to get a pruven 20 goal a season finished article coming in for 7mill
so you either spend millions and millions or take a punt i'm afraid (or loan obvs)
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: tomd2103 on January 03, 2020, 11:13:54 PM
We definitely do not need Butland.


Do we?!

I would have thought a loan for a keeper would have been a better move if Heaton is expected to be fit for the start of next season.  Heaton, Steer and Nyland is a pretty good balance of keepers and if we sign another permanently it means one of those will have to go next season.

If Heaton is going to be out into next season then it might have to be a permanent deal, but I would bd looking at a loan at this point.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: DB on January 03, 2020, 11:15:07 PM
Benteke, really? He is injured, not done much since he left us and would he really be what we need? As someone mentioned, itís a big stretch to think he will pick up where he left off, under a totally different set-up.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mellin on January 03, 2020, 11:39:18 PM
I think Benteke would do well. Would want us to sign another centre forward just in case, but there's a lot to be said for playing in an environment you're comfrtable in. Worth a gamble. Imagine if it came off.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 04, 2020, 08:12:37 AM
Benteke Loan to buy - back home - motivated for push for euro squad. No brainier for me. He would suit our system and would be perfect for another striker alongside also (if we go 2 up top)

Benteke and Bat upfront together would be superb
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on January 04, 2020, 08:19:22 AM
Think Nyland will be given the next 3-4 games and we'll then make a decision by end of January (of course Steer might be close to returning in any case).

Good range of opponents to test him out. Man. City where we'll need him to be tipping their 6-7 shots on target round the post (I dread to think of % of shots on target he let in last season) and then Brighton and Watford where he'll have less to do but concentration will be needed.
Agreed - Nyland, TBF, has looked quite commanding in his few cameos this season.
Never thought I'd say that!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on January 04, 2020, 08:20:26 AM
Benteke Loan to buy - back home - motivated for push for euro squad. No brainier for me. He would suit our system and would be perfect for another striker alongside also (if we go 2 up top)

Benteke and Bat upfront together would be superb
Did they play for CP together last season? - how did that work out (I cannot remember!)?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 04, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
Think Nyland will be given the next 3-4 games and we'll then make a decision by end of January (of course Steer might be close to returning in any case).

Good range of opponents to test him out. Man. City where we'll need him to be tipping their 6-7 shots on target round the post (I dread to think of % of shots on target he let in last season) and then Brighton and Watford where he'll have less to do but concentration will be needed.
Agreed - Nyland, TBF, has looked quite commanding in his few cameos this season.
Never thought I'd say that!

Don't goalkeepers tend to train together, and help train each other? Heaton's influence, I think. As is being said, it's only cameos so far this season, but he's getting the ball to stick to his hands now, and less afraid of a crowd scene in front of him.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villafirst on January 04, 2020, 08:57:05 AM
Trouble is, Benteke is still out injured. He's about as reliable as Davis! We need a fit forward immediately with Kodjia as the only option at present.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Zouch Villa on January 04, 2020, 09:30:04 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50986483

Not sure if this has been shared elsewhere, and I suppose it doesnít tell us anything we donít already know.  I guess it just emphasises how much weíve been fucked over by bad luck yet again.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AV82EC on January 04, 2020, 09:39:28 AM
And arenít we as fans partly to blame here insisting on the tradition of a packed Christmas and New Year fixture list and moaning like buggery if anyone considers changing it?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Pete3206 on January 04, 2020, 11:18:07 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50986483

Not sure if this has been shared elsewhere, and I suppose it doesnít tell us anything we donít already know.  I guess it just emphasises how much weíve been fucked over by bad luck yet again.

Klopp makes me laugh. Liverpool piss off mid season, for a meaningless show pony tournament albeit at the behest of the FIFA cash machine. And, that's on top of travelling to far flung foreign shores, for pre season tournaments, all in the name of 'ker ching'.

Yes, we've been unlucky with injuries but what's that got to do when the fixtures are played? Injuries like can occur at any time of the season. Also, Christmas footy has been around forever.

Big clubs like Liverpool just want more opportunity to make money. That means more Champions League and World tournaments, at the expense of the domestic cup competitions and they probably wouldn't mind a reduction of teams in the Premier league either.

Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 04, 2020, 12:33:36 PM
And arenít we as fans partly to blame here insisting on the tradition of a packed Christmas and New Year fixture list and moaning like buggery if anyone considers changing it?

They probably should take out the game between Boxing day and NYD now, some teams having to play twice in less than 48 hours was ridiculous.

Also don't understand the two week winter break not happening straight after FA cup third round, odd it's in February.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 04, 2020, 12:41:46 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50986483

Not sure if this has been shared elsewhere, and I suppose it doesnít tell us anything we donít already know.  I guess it just emphasises how much weíve been fucked over by bad luck yet again.

Klopp makes me laugh. Liverpool piss off mid season, for a meaningless show pony tournament albeit at the behest of the FIFA cash machine. And, that's on top of travelling to far flung foreign shores, for pre season tournaments, all in the name of 'ker ching'.

Yes, we've been unlucky with injuries but what's that got to do when the fixtures are played? Injuries like can occur at any time of the season. Also, Christmas footy has been around forever.

Big clubs like Liverpool just want more opportunity to make money. That means more Champions League and World tournaments, at the expense of the domestic cup competitions and they probably wouldn't mind a reduction of teams in the Premier league either.



and the crap group stages of the Chumps league , just more money for the seeded two against the other crap2. No need for them neither , go back to knockout .
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 04, 2020, 01:02:01 PM
Truth to Joe Hart links. Short term loan
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2020, 01:18:14 PM
Oh joy. Nyland is genuinely better.

Bowen not in the Hull side, anything in that one on a more positive note?
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on January 04, 2020, 01:22:37 PM
Chester and/or Kodjia in a swap for Bowen? Throw Lansbury in too, just to carry the bags!
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2020, 01:59:22 PM
Truth to Joe Hart links. Short term loan

No thanks.

Unless by short term that means "for an hour or so".
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: CT on January 04, 2020, 02:01:43 PM
Nyland is head and shoulders better than Joe Hart.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LeeB on January 04, 2020, 02:03:00 PM
Nyland is head and shoulders better than Joe Hart.

Suggesting anything else is a sham, poo.
Title: Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 04, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
The joe