Not one PL ref was at the last World Cup & when they have been there they've fucked up. The PL brings in the best players from around the world, why don't they employ the best refs from around the world?
Quote from: john2710 on March 01, 2022, 01:07:04 PMNot one PL ref was at the last World Cup & when they have been there they've fucked up. The PL brings in the best players from around the world, why don't they employ the best refs from around the world?Because there's no commercial reason for doing so. Does the average plastic Man City fan in Hong Kong or wherever care that it was a handball? No. Does the corruption preserve the status quo which rakes in billions? Yes.
This whole situation around this incident is bad enough already, but if City win the league by one or two points, or if Everton get relegated by a point, I don't know how they continue with VAR 'as is'.The argument of course would be "well, without VAR there wouldn't have been a penalty anyway", but if it's not going to pick up errors THAT obvious, who cares if someone is a toenail offside?
Yes Dave, I don't think anybody was blaming the match ref for missing it in the first instance. Things happen in a split second in real time, and he may not have seen it clearly in which case he can't give it. That's the entire point of VAR though isn't it? It was the most obvious handball I've seen all season, short of somebody doing a Harlem Globetrotters impression and bouncing it up the pitch. VAR should have told the ref it was a handball, or at least told him to go and have another look at the monitor.
I do think that much of the problem has come from the fact that VAR can't overrule a referee, but can send him to a monitor to look at an incident. Yet I can't think of a SINGLE incident where a ref has gone to the monitor and thought "no, I got that one right". This means sending a ref to a monitor has become "the ref is definitely going to change his mind here", so referring a ref to a monitor is basically the same as overruling them. And because it's basically overruling them, VAR won't refer a ref to a monitor unless they are absolutely 100% confident a mistake has been made, when really it SHOULD be only 80-90% confident a mistake has been made.The monitor shouldn't be used that way. It should be a case of VAR telling the ref "I THINK you MIGHT have made a mistake, on an important call, and I'd like you to take another look so you're comfortable with your decision."It shouldn't be a foregone conclusion when they head to the pitch-side. Because if it is, then VAR won't refer anything with even a tiny bit of doubt. The handball should have been referred, obviously, but the fact there was a tiny tiny element of doubt in VAR's mind (wrongly), it didn't get referred.Ironically, I think it would be good for VAR to be 'wrong' a few more times by referring a few decisions that aren't foregone, and which would see the ref stick to their original decision. It would also put an end to the crown cheering whenever a ref goes to the pitchside, which I fucking loathe.If the VAR felt the ref might stick to his original decision, I think they'd be more willing to refer incidents like the Man City handball.But then we might have the ref visiting the pitchside even more often, which is shit in itself. I guess I've no idea what the answer is...
Quote from: Risso on February 28, 2022, 01:10:48 PMPGMOL or whoever they are should come out and have to explain all VAR decisions after the weekend. I can forgive a ref not seeing something first time, but not the blokes sat reviewing things. If you're going to ruin our game at least have the courage of your convictions to back up your decisions.Absolutely. However, they will just use the tried and tested non answer and nobody can hold them to account.I still maintain there should be an independent panel instead of bloody referees.
PGMOL or whoever they are should come out and have to explain all VAR decisions after the weekend. I can forgive a ref not seeing something first time, but not the blokes sat reviewing things. If you're going to ruin our game at least have the courage of your convictions to back up your decisions.
I'm in the "rugby camp" on VAR. Either ref asks them to check it or they invite him to have a look ,but in each case the crowd are informed of the reason and the discussion is broadcast ,and everything is shown on screen. At least all premier league grounds have big screens don't they? Oh,just a minute........