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Offline Clampy

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Re: VAR
« Reply #720 on: October 21, 2019, 09:39:02 AM »
I didn't realise until yesterday that there were monitors on the side of the pitch for ref's to look at. It's all a bit shambolic really isn't it?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #721 on: October 21, 2019, 09:43:30 AM »
Goal line technology is great, and has always seemingly worked as intended.  I can even live with the reviews of offside decisions, as although they seem overly pernickety, at least it's a black and white decision. I'm in favour of anything that makes the game fairer, but the implementation of the rest of VAR is all wrong, and they're making as many crucial mistakes as an old fashioned human ref, with the added huge downside that the system comes with at a cost of ruining the flow and enjoyment of the game. 

It should be halted as an experiment until they've sat down and thought things through a lot more thoroughly.

As a suggestion, the off field team could continue to look at offsides and handballs in the build up to a goal.  Then each team gets one review per half over a contentious decision that leads to a goal.  If they ask for a review, the ref then looks at the pitch side monitor with his team.  if they're not sure after that, it then goes to the off field team.  In our game on Saturday, I don't think Brighton would have even reviewed Conor's goal to be honest, and it would then rightly have stood.


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Re: VAR
« Reply #722 on: October 21, 2019, 09:45:11 AM »
I didn't realise until yesterday that there were monitors on the side of the pitch for ref's to look at. It's all a bit shambolic really isn't it?

Completely.  Apparently they've never been used.  They're the Goblin Teasmade of football technology.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #723 on: October 21, 2019, 09:46:01 AM »
I didn't realise until yesterday that there were monitors on the side of the pitch for ref's to look at. It's all a bit shambolic really isn't it?

Completely.  Apparently they've never been used.  They're the Goblin Teasmade of football technology.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #724 on: October 21, 2019, 09:50:54 AM »
Goal line technology is great, and has always seemingly worked as intended.  I can even live with the reviews of offside decisions, as although they seem overly pernickety, at least it's a black and white decision. I'm in favour of anything that makes the game fairer, but the implementation of the rest of VAR is all wrong, and they're making as many crucial mistakes as an old fashioned human ref, with the added huge downside that the system comes with at a cost of ruining the flow and enjoyment of the game. 

It should be halted as an experiment until they've sat down and thought things through a lot more thoroughly.

As a suggestion, the off field team could continue to look at offsides and handballs in the build up to a goal.  Then each team gets one review per half over a contentious decision that leads to a goal.  If they ask for a review, the ref then looks at the pitch side monitor with his team.  if they're not sure after that, it then goes to the off field team.  In our game on Saturday, I don't think Brighton would have even reviewed Conor's goal to be honest, and it would then rightly have stood.



I mostly agree but Iím not convinced by a review system, I still think that should be down to the ref but until they buy into the system wholeheartedly then I would stick with how you outline in your first paragraph.

Offline Brassneck

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Re: VAR
« Reply #725 on: October 21, 2019, 09:53:04 AM »
You have to wonder, if that idiot Friend had let play continue at Palace, would VAR have helped us arrive at the correct decision?  The way it's been going, the chances are that Friend would have been backed on the grounds that it wasn't "a clear and obvious mistake".  What other area in life are mistakes not mistakes unless they are clear and obvious?  A mistake is a mistake is a mistake, regardless of how clear and obvious it is.

We have to accept that it's here to stay so the best we can hope for is a complete review and dare I say it, a bit of common sense.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #726 on: October 21, 2019, 10:24:43 AM »
It's the fact that those monitors are there and going completely ignored that makes me worry that the Premier League is fully aware of how shit the experiment is and is happy to go along with it until they can say they tried but it was crap and abandon it. I'll admit that's verging into conspiracy theory territory but everyone can see the problems and yet nothing is being said to address them.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #727 on: October 21, 2019, 10:27:17 AM »
It's the fact that those monitors are there and going completely ignored that makes me worry that the Premier League is fully aware of how shit the experiment is and is happy to go along with it until they can say they tried but it was crap and abandon it. I'll admit that's verging into conspiracy theory territory but everyone can see the problems and yet nothing is being said to address them.

Who'd have thought that there'd be a situation where the people in charge plough on with something that's clearly not beneficial ;)

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Re: VAR
« Reply #728 on: October 21, 2019, 11:38:25 AM »
Who makes the decision then as to when a monitor has to be used? 
Why have the thing there if you're not going to use it?
 

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Re: VAR
« Reply #729 on: October 21, 2019, 11:51:31 AM »
Who makes the decision then as to when a monitor has to be used? 
Why have the thing there if you're not going to use it?
 

I assumed it was the ref who, as a body, seem determined for it to fail.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #730 on: October 21, 2019, 11:51:56 AM »
Who makes the decision then as to when a monitor has to be used? 
Why have the thing there if you're not going to use it?
 

The TV commentator on Sky said that he'd been told by whomever's in charge of the refs, that monitors are not going to be used in the Premier League.

This contradicts what Dyche said he'd been told by the match referee for the Burnley game.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #731 on: October 21, 2019, 11:54:55 AM »
Who makes the decision then as to when a monitor has to be used? 
Why have the thing there if you're not going to use it?
 
They're discussing that very point now on Sky sports News.
The refs have been instructed to use it sparingly because of the amount of time it would take. Which interprets to dont use is my guess.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #732 on: October 21, 2019, 11:56:51 AM »
Who makes the decision then as to when a monitor has to be used? 
Why have the thing there if you're not going to use it?
 
They're discussing that very point now on Sky sports News.
The refs have been instructed to use it sparingly because of the amount of time it would take. Which interprets to dont use is my guess.


Only because they don't want to.

But just like 'clear and obvious', some of the wordings and guidelines are playing right into the referees' hands, leaving it nice and ambiguous so they ultimately do whatever they like with it. And I'm including the likes of Martin Atkinson sitting in the VAR room, covering his mates' arses.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2019, 11:58:41 AM by AsTallAsLions »

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Re: VAR
« Reply #733 on: October 21, 2019, 12:29:53 PM »
Watching the Grealish highlights on the other thread makes it clear how ludicrous ruling out our first goal was.

If there was a foul by Wes in the build-up (which I'd argue there wasn't), once the referee hasn't given it then the play continues.  The actual goal comes a good 6 or 7 seconds after the challenge on the goalkeeper, by which time he is fully set to try and make the save.  At what point do you say the foul is no longer relevant?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #734 on: October 21, 2019, 12:59:14 PM »
Watching the Grealish highlights on the other thread makes it clear how ludicrous ruling out our first goal was.

If there was a foul by Wes in the build-up (which I'd argue there wasn't), once the referee hasn't given it then the play continues.  The actual goal comes a good 6 or 7 seconds after the challenge on the goalkeeper, by which time he is fully set to try and make the save.  At what point do you say the foul is no longer relevant?

Made even worse by the fact that they score from a free kick that was actually a perfectly executed tackle.

 


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