Tyrone Mings

[Risso]

I would add though that the Martinez fuck up count does not get the attention it deserves.

I think you're right there. To be honest, Martinez has been less than stellar for a while now. He used to be a really good starter of attacks, but 2 or 3 times against Chelsea the crowd were berating him for holding on to the ball too long.

[ChicagoLion]

I would add though that the Martinez fuck up count does not get the attention it deserves.

I think you're right there. To be honest, Martinez has been less than stellar for a while now. He used to be a really good starter of attacks, but 2 or 3 times against Chelsea the crowd were berating him for holding on to the ball too long.

He was at fault for both goals, the first too slow to react, the second went in the net just under the bar where he was standing until he took a step to the right.

[Steve kirk]

I’ve got a lot of time for Tyrone, his good stuff far outweighs the bad, we’d be much worse off without him.

[Simon Page]

With the caveat that Mings is by some distance my favourite Villa player, and therefore my favourite player playing today, I think his mistakes are highlighted more than others by Villa fans because that's become a talking point. It's dominant wisdom at work. Something that's been spotted before so people on the lookout for it.

As a defender, most of what you do passes unnoticed. The positional play that cuts off attacks before they start. The easy challenges, the tidying up, the shepherding out... Occasionally you have to make a worldy block or challenge, or get to play a Sid pass. And when a goal goes in there's usually something you might have done differently to stop it. Mings is very good at his job, sometimes ridiculously good, sometimes not. That's the same for every top level centre back in history.

[john e]

Mings Will be like Alan Wright in 20 years time
All the Scapegoating and mistakes will be forgotten about and he will be remembered with much fondness

[chrisw1]

100% agree with the last three posts.

[Risso]

With the caveat that Mings is by some distance my favourite Villa player, and therefore my favourite player playing today, I think his mistakes are highlighted more than others by Villa fans because that's become a talking point. It's dominant wisdom at work. Something that's been spotted before so people on the lookout for it.

As a defender, most of what you do passes unnoticed. The positional play that cuts off attacks before they start. The easy challenges, the tidying up, the shepherding out... Occasionally you have to make a worldy block or challenge, or get to play a Sid pass. And when a goal goes in there's usually something you might have done differently to stop it. Mings is very good at his job, sometimes ridiculously good, sometimes not. That's the same for every top level centre back in history.

But against Chelsea, under no pressure at all, he calmly headed the ball straight to Mason Mount. It was as piss poor a piece of defending as you'll see all season, and cost us the game. I don't recall many of our other top defenders down the years doing stuff like that.

[oldhill_avfc]

or the deflection which caused the ball to spin higher than anticipated induced an unfortunate but understandable error

[Drummond]

With the caveat that Mings is by some distance my favourite Villa player, and therefore my favourite player playing today, I think his mistakes are highlighted more than others by Villa fans because that's become a talking point. It's dominant wisdom at work. Something that's been spotted before so people on the lookout for it.

As a defender, most of what you do passes unnoticed. The positional play that cuts off attacks before they start. The easy challenges, the tidying up, the shepherding out... Occasionally you have to make a worldy block or challenge, or get to play a Sid pass. And when a goal goes in there's usually something you might have done differently to stop it. Mings is very good at his job, sometimes ridiculously good, sometimes not. That's the same for every top level centre back in history.

But against Chelsea, under no pressure at all, he calmly headed the ball straight to Mason Mount. It was as piss poor a piece of defending as you'll see all season, and cost us the game. I don't recall many of our other top defenders down the years doing stuff like that.

It was a fuck up but it didn't cost us the game.

[Drummond]

I would add though that the Martinez fuck up count does not get the attention it deserves.

I think you're right there. To be honest, Martinez has been less than stellar for a while now. He used to be a really good starter of attacks, but 2 or 3 times against Chelsea the crowd were berating him for holding on to the ball too long.

I agree, I think that's a lack of confidence and organisation rather than being just about him.

[Risso]

or the deflection which caused the ball to spin higher than anticipated induced an unfortunate but understandable error

I think you need to watch the highlights again. He had all the time in the world, and the nearest Chelsea player in Sterling was about 6 feet away. It was simply a case of him getting it badly wrong and heading it towards goal instead of away. Absolutely terrible piece of play.

[john e]

With the caveat that Mings is by some distance my favourite Villa player, and therefore my favourite player playing today, I think his mistakes are highlighted more than others by Villa fans because that's become a talking point. It's dominant wisdom at work. Something that's been spotted before so people on the lookout for it.

As a defender, most of what you do passes unnoticed. The positional play that cuts off attacks before they start. The easy challenges, the tidying up, the shepherding out... Occasionally you have to make a worldy block or challenge, or get to play a Sid pass. And when a goal goes in there's usually something you might have done differently to stop it. Mings is very good at his job, sometimes ridiculously good, sometimes not. That's the same for every top level centre back in history.

But against Chelsea, under no pressure at all, he calmly headed the ball straight to Mason Mount. It was as piss poor a piece of defending as you'll see all season, and cost us the game. I don't recall many of our other top defenders down the years doing stuff like that.

It was a fuck up but it didn't cost us the game.

It was a fuck up but it shouldn’t have cost us the

[mrfuse]

I agree with

With the caveat that Mings is by some distance my favourite Villa player, and therefore my favourite player playing today, I think his mistakes are highlighted more than others by Villa fans because that's become a talking point. It's dominant wisdom at work. Something that's been spotted before so people on the lookout for it.

As a defender, most of what you do passes unnoticed. The positional play that cuts off attacks before they start. The easy challenges, the tidying up, the shepherding out... Occasionally you have to make a worldy block or challenge, or get to play a Sid pass. And when a goal goes in there's usually something you might have done differently to stop it. Mings is very good at his job, sometimes ridiculously good, sometimes not. That's the same for every top level centre back in history.

But against Chelsea, under no pressure at all, he calmly headed the ball straight to Mason Mount. It was as piss poor a piece of defending as you'll see all season, and cost us the game. I don't recall many of our other top defenders down the years doing stuff like that.

It was a fuck up but it didn't cost us the game.

If we scored more goals or at least attacked more then the faults would be less obvious.

[oldhill_avfc]

or the deflection which caused the ball to spin higher than anticipated induced an unfortunate but understandable error

I think you need to watch the highlights again. He had all the time in the world, and the nearest Chelsea player in Sterling was about 6 feet away. It was simply a case of him getting it badly wrong and heading it towards goal instead of away. Absolutely terrible piece of play.

I don't need to watch the highlights - I've already seen them and I was there at the game. 

It was an error no doubt - they happen.

Our defensive record on the whole is OK.   

His mistake was now worse than, say, Ings not heading downwards, or Bailey misjudging the flight of the cross and mis-timing his jump, or indeed Martinez expecting the ball to curve toward him instead of going straight on.

[Simon Page]

I don't say he doesn't make mistakes. Was Ugo shite on the basis of his debut? Is Mellberg a liability for lobbing a throw-in back to the centre of the goal? Every defender we - and everyone else - have ever had makes mistakes that look terrible and lead to avoidable goals against.

If you want to make out it's a crime against football and focus on every time it happens you will paint a false picture of an incompetent defender. Nothing wrong with talking about it and laughing/crying/shouting over it, but it too often gets extrapolated into Mings being a series of calamitous and costly errors. No more true than if I claimed he was a faultless rock.

See also Maguire, H. He's not the messiah, but he's also a bloody good footballer - once you you strip away the hyperbolic pant-wetting every time he doesn't resemble a rosily false memory of Beckenbauer.