Tyrone Mings

[ChicagoLion]

It’s a feature of his game, sadly when he fucks up its often a goal. The last 3 we have conceded he has been at fault for.
Although Martinez should have saved the free kick.

[brontebilly]

He was terrible for that Sterling chance when he hit the bar too. Ramsey and Luiz also far too weak in the challenge that time. Mings tends to lose all composure after a rick and that was the case on Saturday again. Only one way to get back on the horse and that's to quieten Mitrovic on Thursday.

[Footy-Vill]

He was terrible for that Sterling chance when he hit the bar too. Ramsey and Luiz also far too weak in the challenge that time. Mings tends to lose all composure after a rick and that was the case on Saturday again. Only one way to get back on the horse and that's to quieten Mitrovic on Thursday.

Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.
Be very difficult to quieten Mitro.
For Mitrovic this Prem season 7 goals in 9 matches
And last season in Championship he broke records -43 goals in 46 matches last season

[Duncan Shaw]

I think he has been much better recently and felt a bit for him with Southgate there, as he had been playing just as well if not better than some of the centre halves who have been more in favour.  His record for England is also very good and he has never let them down, but alas I think that mistake will have done for any World Cup chance.

I'd rather we had him than anyone else had him.

[Duncan Shaw]

He was terrible for that Sterling chance when he hit the bar too. Ramsey and Luiz also far too weak in the challenge that time. Mings tends to lose all composure after a rick and that was the case on Saturday again. Only one way to get back on the horse and that's to quieten Mitrovic on Thursday.

Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.
Be very difficult to quieten Mitro.
For Mitrovic this Prem season 7 goals in 9 matches
And last season in Championship he broke records -43 goals in 46 matches last season

Look at how he played against Haaland - I think he'll relish Mitrovic!

[chrisw1]

I think he has been much better recently and felt a bit for him with Southgate there, as he had been playing just as well if not better than some of the centre halves who have been more in favour.  His record for England is also very good and he has never let them down, but alas I think that mistake will have done for any World Cup chance.

I'd rather we had him than anyone else had him.

Agreed.  Gutted for him that he blew any slim WC chance on Sunday, but generally he's still been very good for us this season.

[Footy-Vill]

I think having been somewhat undermined and pressured by the manager, it's understandable that he's made a few mistakes.

This is a (social) media thing. There is nothing to indicate there is a problem between Mings and Gerrard other than people not associated with the club stoking the subject for clicks.

I think it was Gerrard who stoked things up.
Theres a lot of tension and its been further scrutinized due to Gerrard handling of affairs. So it's then become a focus on Mings performance.

[Scott Nielsen]

I think having been somewhat undermined and pressured by the manager, it's understandable that he's made a few mistakes.

This is a (social) media thing. There is nothing to indicate there is a problem between Mings and Gerrard other than people not associated with the club stoking the subject for clicks.

I think it was Gerrard who stoked things up.
Theres a lot of tension and its been further scrutinized due to Gerrard handling of affairs. So it's then become a focus on Mings performance.

What actual evidence do you have of "a lot of tension"? It's other people projecting something onto it they want to be there.

[brontebilly]

I think he has been much better recently and felt a bit for him with Southgate there, as he had been playing just as well if not better than some of the centre halves who have been more in favour.  His record for England is also very good and he has never let them down, but alas I think that mistake will have done for any World Cup chance.

I'd rather we had him than anyone else had him.

Agreed.  Gutted for him that he blew any slim WC chance on Sunday, but generally he's still been very good for us this season.

If Southgate is basing his CB picks on defenders avoiding high profile mistakes, the likes of Maguire, Stones etc would never get a look in. England have lots of CBs around the same level. Don't think it would be a selection travesty if Mings isn't selected but at same time he is solid in a 2 or 3 as he proved at last Euros.

[chrisw1]

I think he has been much better recently and felt a bit for him with Southgate there, as he had been playing just as well if not better than some of the centre halves who have been more in favour.  His record for England is also very good and he has never let them down, but alas I think that mistake will have done for any World Cup chance.

I'd rather we had him than anyone else had him.

Agreed.  Gutted for him that he blew any slim WC chance on Sunday, but generally he's still been very good for us this season.

If Southgate is basing his CB picks on defenders avoiding high profile mistakes, the likes of Maguire, Stones etc would never get a look in. England have lots of CBs around the same level. Don't think it would be a selection travesty if Mings isn't selected but at same time he is solid in a 2 or 3 as he proved at last Euros.

But he's already out in the cold.  Only outstanding form would have given the chance to get back in the squad.  He was at least making people ask the queston with the way he way playing, but Sunday gave Southgate all the excuses he needs to continue to leave him out.

[Hookeysmith]

Of course he'll play. Gerrard's comments on Mings after the game:

"To be fair to Tyrone, I've been in dressing rooms where people make mistakes and don't put their hand up and take responsibility for them," he said.

"Tyrone's done that and I've told him there was no need because his reaction was superb from there and his form's improved dramatically in my opinion. He's been one of our strongest performers."

That will not stop the detractors from claiming it is everything from Gerrards arrogance to a race issue that is the problem with Mings.

I'm firmly in the camp that having the armband taken away has actually got him back into some very good form (Mings usual brain farts recently aside)

My issue was not Mings losing it but McGinn being given it as that has meant he has played way too many times since

[Risso]

Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.

Mings is only 5 months off his 30th birthday. What you see is what you get with him, and he's unlikely to get much better.

[Mortimer's Bear]

Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.

Mings is only 5 months off his 30th birthday. What you see is what you get with him, and he's unlikely to get much better.

Which is a very competent defender who makes as many goal saving blocks as he does ricks, I don't get the online hostility towards him.

[Allan C]

Of course he'll play. Gerrard's comments on Mings after the game:

"To be fair to Tyrone, I've been in dressing rooms where people make mistakes and don't put their hand up and take responsibility for them," he said.

"Tyrone's done that and I've told him there was no need because his reaction was superb from there and his form's improved dramatically in my opinion. He's been one of our strongest performers."

That will not stop the detractors from claiming it is everything from Gerrards arrogance to a race issue that is the problem with Mings.

I'm firmly in the camp that having the armband taken away has actually got him back into some very good form (Mings usual brain farts recently aside)

My issue was not Mings losing it but McGinn being given it as that has meant he has played way too many times since

I agree with this particularly about the captaincy, but if not McGinn then who else??

[ChicagoLion]

Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.

Mings is only 5 months off his 30th birthday. What you see is what you get with him, and he's unlikely to get much better.

Which is a very competent defender who makes as many goal saving blocks as he does ricks, I don't get the online hostility towards him.

There is some of that no doubt on other platforms which I do not subscribe to,but the comments on this forum that point out that he makes too many mistakes is because he makes too many mistakes.

I would add though that the Martinez fuck up count does not get the attention it deserves.