When Bailey was on and Everton had the ball it looked more like a back 4 as Cash retreated more than Bailey and Mings stayed quite wide. I'm surprised it's such a controversial issue tbh.
John, I think the Southgate point can be left aside. Nobody at club level seriously takes their cues from Southgate - he takes his from them, from people like Conte etc.
Southgate sits deep and waits for the counter, we step up and squeeze the space in the middle, it's a very different way of playing. It's like Mourinho and Guardiola both like 4-3-3, but they use it completely differently - and anyway, Southgate uses 3-4-3, we use 3-5-2, two central strikers and three midfielders to strangle the opposition and make forward runs rather than two, sitting deep, just blocking. And when Southgate wants to make the change, it's never to make a wing back into virtually an out-and-out winger. That shows you something about how high up he wants them to play, whatever shape they're arranged in.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 20, 2021, 09:45:34 PMQuote from: ozzjim on September 20, 2021, 07:18:40 PMMings was as left back as left back gets for a good 15 minutes. Bailey was playing left wing. It may not have been the intention, but it was the formation on the pitch.Exactly.So if Mings went to left back and Konsa went to right back, who were the two centre-halves in this imaginary back four?
Quote from: ozzjim on September 20, 2021, 07:18:40 PMMings was as left back as left back gets for a good 15 minutes. Bailey was playing left wing. It may not have been the intention, but it was the formation on the pitch.Exactly.
Mings was as left back as left back gets for a good 15 minutes. Bailey was playing left wing. It may not have been the intention, but it was the formation on the pitch.
Isn't anyone with eyes looking at both?
Quote from: Monty on September 21, 2021, 11:14:47 AMJohn, I think the Southgate point can be left aside. Nobody at club level seriously takes their cues from Southgate - he takes his from them, from people like Conte etc.I know but there still is similarities whether we like it or notAnd those similarities are very simple England and Villa are blessed with creative and attacking talentSo we had Buendia Bailey El ghazi Traore On the benchAfter the first sub we had three Central defenders 2 full backs and a holding midfield Player (Nakamba)With all those creative place still sitting on the benchThat is an absolute 100% fact unarguable you can put your head in the sand all you like and pretend otherwise but the game was turned on its head when he used one of those players exactly the same as Southgate did in the EurosSo I’m sorry but the similarity is there whether you like it or notI’m not saying it’s an exact copy I’m saying it’s a similar tactic, Southgate uses 2 holding midfielders so there is a difference but like I keep saying it’s not always about formations it’s about playersKeeping your creative attacking players on the bench for an hour is a tactic used by Smith and Southgate over the last couple of gamesWill it turn into the tactic of choice I’ve no idea
Does this help the formation debate...