Very good posts Supertom and KT.
Quote from: cannock villa on December 16, 2019, 12:19:31 PMLets just remember the first season back in the old First Division after Graham Taylor got us promoted, we stayed up by goal difference over West Ham. If he had been sacked then we would not have had the following season of being runners up to Liverpool. Dean Smith is still the same manager that we were all praising last May so we need to show a bit of class as supporters and give him time.Taylor's season has absolutely no bearing on this season whatsoever.
Lets just remember the first season back in the old First Division after Graham Taylor got us promoted, we stayed up by goal difference over West Ham. If he had been sacked then we would not have had the following season of being runners up to Liverpool. Dean Smith is still the same manager that we were all praising last May so we need to show a bit of class as supporters and give him time.
Quote from: brontebilly on December 16, 2019, 10:45:03 AMQuote from: Clampy on December 16, 2019, 06:56:45 AMQuote from: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:26:50 PMQuote from: Risso on December 15, 2019, 09:07:44 PMQuote from: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:03:51 PMBegs another question: how about we yo-yo for a couple of years until we find out feet?No ta. We've seen already what a slog the Championship is and how hard it is to get out of. Go down and that's the last time we'll see jack in a Villa shirt. I hope that Smith keeps us up, but the next three games are enormous and if he doesn't sort it out then he needs to be sacked before January.If I'm honest Risso, I think the optimum time to sack him will be tomorrow so they can bring someone in to have a quick look at the squad in readiness for making a few smart signings in January. It's such a gamble either way. Ridiculous. Suggesting sacking a manager we've just handed a new contract to, on the even of a cup quarter final? Yes, we are in a bit of a slump and yes things do we need to improve but the lack of patience is truly staggering.Given what we spent in the summer, any manager with 15 points after 17 games would be under serious pressure. Particularly one who is simply not learning from his mistakes. Next three games are huge and we go into them on the back of dreadful performances in recent games. If Smith wasn't a Villa fan there wouldn't be a single poster suggesting we back him all the way back to the championship. We spent the money in the summer because we had to replace virtually an entire squad who were past it and out of contract, thanks to the previous manager. You can't use the money spent as a stick to beat him with, he's had to bring in 13 players so the total is going to be high. It wasn't an Everton situation where he's had £200m to spend just on a few additions. By all means, comment on performance but money spent has got nothing to do with it as a qualifier.
Quote from: Clampy on December 16, 2019, 06:56:45 AMQuote from: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:26:50 PMQuote from: Risso on December 15, 2019, 09:07:44 PMQuote from: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:03:51 PMBegs another question: how about we yo-yo for a couple of years until we find out feet?No ta. We've seen already what a slog the Championship is and how hard it is to get out of. Go down and that's the last time we'll see jack in a Villa shirt. I hope that Smith keeps us up, but the next three games are enormous and if he doesn't sort it out then he needs to be sacked before January.If I'm honest Risso, I think the optimum time to sack him will be tomorrow so they can bring someone in to have a quick look at the squad in readiness for making a few smart signings in January. It's such a gamble either way. Ridiculous. Suggesting sacking a manager we've just handed a new contract to, on the even of a cup quarter final? Yes, we are in a bit of a slump and yes things do we need to improve but the lack of patience is truly staggering.Given what we spent in the summer, any manager with 15 points after 17 games would be under serious pressure. Particularly one who is simply not learning from his mistakes. Next three games are huge and we go into them on the back of dreadful performances in recent games. If Smith wasn't a Villa fan there wouldn't be a single poster suggesting we back him all the way back to the championship.
Quote from: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:26:50 PMQuote from: Risso on December 15, 2019, 09:07:44 PMQuote from: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:03:51 PMBegs another question: how about we yo-yo for a couple of years until we find out feet?No ta. We've seen already what a slog the Championship is and how hard it is to get out of. Go down and that's the last time we'll see jack in a Villa shirt. I hope that Smith keeps us up, but the next three games are enormous and if he doesn't sort it out then he needs to be sacked before January.If I'm honest Risso, I think the optimum time to sack him will be tomorrow so they can bring someone in to have a quick look at the squad in readiness for making a few smart signings in January. It's such a gamble either way. Ridiculous. Suggesting sacking a manager we've just handed a new contract to, on the even of a cup quarter final? Yes, we are in a bit of a slump and yes things do we need to improve but the lack of patience is truly staggering.
Quote from: Risso on December 15, 2019, 09:07:44 PMQuote from: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:03:51 PMBegs another question: how about we yo-yo for a couple of years until we find out feet?No ta. We've seen already what a slog the Championship is and how hard it is to get out of. Go down and that's the last time we'll see jack in a Villa shirt. I hope that Smith keeps us up, but the next three games are enormous and if he doesn't sort it out then he needs to be sacked before January.If I'm honest Risso, I think the optimum time to sack him will be tomorrow so they can bring someone in to have a quick look at the squad in readiness for making a few smart signings in January. It's such a gamble either way.
Quote from: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:03:51 PMBegs another question: how about we yo-yo for a couple of years until we find out feet?No ta. We've seen already what a slog the Championship is and how hard it is to get out of. Go down and that's the last time we'll see jack in a Villa shirt. I hope that Smith keeps us up, but the next three games are enormous and if he doesn't sort it out then he needs to be sacked before January.
Begs another question: how about we yo-yo for a couple of years until we find out feet?
Quote from: brontebilly on December 16, 2019, 10:45:03 AMQuote from: Clampy on December 16, 2019, 06:56:45 AMQuote from: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:26:50 PMQuote from: Risso on December 15, 2019, 09:07:44 PMQuote from: Newby on December 15, 2019, 09:03:51 PMBegs another question: how about we yo-yo for a couple of years until we find out feet?No ta. We've seen already what a slog the Championship is and how hard it is to get out of. Go down and that's the last time we'll see jack in a Villa shirt. I hope that Smith keeps us up, but the next three games are enormous and if he doesn't sort it out then he needs to be sacked before January.If I'm honest Risso, I think the optimum time to sack him will be tomorrow so they can bring someone in to have a quick look at the squad in readiness for making a few smart signings in January. It's such a gamble either way. Ridiculous. Suggesting sacking a manager we've just handed a new contract to, on the even of a cup quarter final? Yes, we are in a bit of a slump and yes things do we need to improve but the lack of patience is truly staggering.Given what we spent in the summer, any manager with 15 points after 17 games would be under serious pressure. Particularly one who is simply not learning from his mistakes. Next three games are huge and we go into them on the back of dreadful performances in recent games. If Smith wasn't a Villa fan there wouldn't be a single poster suggesting we back him all the way back to the championship.Dreadful performances? I was at Old Trafford just 2 weeks ago when we got a well deserved draw and could of won it but for the heel of Jack Grealish. I think some perspective needs to be applied on here by some posters.
good luck persuading any decent manager that joining the Villa would be anything other than disastrous for his career.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 16, 2019, 02:44:14 PMgood luck persuading any decent manager that joining the Villa would be anything other than disastrous for his career.I don't think that argument stands up to much scrutiny. People said it last year about Bruce in respect of him getting us to the play off final and his family situation, but Dean Smith still joined. I don't think many managers would not take a job because they think the previous incumbent was sacked too quickly.
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 15, 2019, 11:31:25 AMVery good posts Supertom and KT.Including the bots about Whelan, Hutton and Sturridge?
It's not because he's a Villa fan. It's because he's been here barely a year, worked one miracle already and we've had a few bad performances against better teams than us. If you want him sacked after that, good luck persuading any decent manager that joining the Villa would be anything other than disastrous for his career.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 16, 2019, 02:44:14 PMIt's not because he's a Villa fan. It's because he's been here barely a year, worked one miracle already and we've had a few bad performances against better teams than us. If you want him sacked after that, good luck persuading any decent manager that joining the Villa would be anything other than disastrous for his career.Villa Park has been a career ender for many a promising or decent manager for nigh on 30 years. Yet they still come, why is that?