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Offline OCD

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2055 on: July 12, 2020, 07:00:10 PM »
Interesting that he had another stress fracture as he had looked off the pace. Promising for the last 3 games that he's looked better in the last 2 games.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2056 on: July 13, 2020, 07:56:48 AM »
2 pretty bad injuries then back to back is going to take a while to get over. No friendlies or real warm up period before the re start despite being longer than a normal summer break won't have helped, and Mcginn clearly hasn't got the fitness levels he had pre injury. I hope he stays next season and is the driving force of the side to come back up.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2057 on: July 26, 2020, 07:35:29 PM »
He was fantastic today.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2058 on: July 26, 2020, 07:36:21 PM »

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2059 on: September 02, 2020, 10:31:48 AM »
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2060 on: September 02, 2020, 11:05:12 AM »
if either Nakamba steps up a level or we can find a sitting midfielder who's on a par with Luiz so that we can have the option of 2 defensive midfielders, it would give us options with the formation.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2061 on: September 02, 2020, 11:53:32 AM »
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.

Didn't he essentially start there at Everton. I certainly think he's an option  further forward, it gives you the orion of a very high press. Needs to get back to his fighting fitness though, and treated with a bit more care next season.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2062 on: September 02, 2020, 12:07:26 PM »
An option, though 4-2-3-1 typically means you need a lot from the fullbacks in terms of supporting and getting past the midfield player on their side and then decent delivery on crosses and passes.

Guilbert has shown, in patches, he can do that though to deliver a consistent and major improvement it might need an upgrade of both fullbacks - with Matty Cash the target (no pun intended) for RB.

The other option is to switch to three at the back - as DS seems to like and which would mean (most likely) Mings - Engels - Konsa.

I've not given up on Engels and I think that could work as both Mings and Konsa like to bring the ball out. Though it is quite a fundamental change when a bit of continuity and stability might be the better bet in terms of delivering a steady start to the season. As ever - the decision is long-term plan versus short-term gain.

Anyone know whether Shakespeare has a preferred formation?

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2063 on: September 02, 2020, 12:13:52 PM »
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.

I like that idea, get in someone very defensive im midfield and tel lthe fullbacks to play more like wing backs and I think that could work really well. I think one of the biggest problems early in the season was us trying to get Grealish and McGinn in as 2 8s, which just didn't work.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2064 on: September 02, 2020, 12:20:04 PM »
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.

I like that idea, get in someone very defensive im midfield and tel lthe fullbacks to play more like wing backs and I think that could work really well. I think one of the biggest problems early in the season was us trying to get Grealish and McGinn in as 2 8s, which just didn't work.

Yeah, you'd need peak-Javi Martinez or someone to make that 4-3-3 work. I'm a huge fan of Doug but he's not that player, and in fact you could free him up to play the Xabi Alonso role in deep alongside a more orthodox defensive player if we sign the latter (or if Nakamba steps up, as OCD says).

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2065 on: September 02, 2020, 12:25:52 PM »
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.

I like that idea, get in someone very defensive im midfield and tel lthe fullbacks to play more like wing backs and I think that could work really well. I think one of the biggest problems early in the season was us trying to get Grealish and McGinn in as 2 8s, which just didn't work.

I sincerely hope we don't try that 2x8s again this upcoming season. No matter what Grealish might think his best position is or most likely to get him firmly into the England reckoning.

Have McGinn and Grealish ever played particularly well for us at the same time?

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2066 on: September 02, 2020, 12:31:32 PM »
They were pretty good during the 10 game run-in but other than that not really!

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2067 on: September 02, 2020, 01:18:54 PM »
They were pretty good during the 10 game run-in but other than that not really!

I don't agree with that, McGinn was really poor for most of it.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2068 on: September 02, 2020, 01:37:27 PM »
I think they've played well together when Jack is playing wide, in the centre together and they're definitely worse than the sum of their parts.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2069 on: September 02, 2020, 01:40:13 PM »
They were pretty good during the 10 game run-in but other than that not really!

I don't agree with that, McGinn was really poor for most of it.

I think he meant the season before?

 


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