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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 10:01:29 AM

Title: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 10:01:29 AM
Probably worth his own thread as it looks like it's done.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Villan For Life on August 08, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.

One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Eckybloke on August 08, 2018, 10:11:59 AM
Probably worth his own thread as it looks like it's done.
Us over Celtic?
That's a result.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 08, 2018, 10:21:27 AM
Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.

One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.


Lets not forget dela Cruz 😉
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: footyskillz on August 08, 2018, 10:35:11 AM
I think some have got mixed up with Neil McGinn as this link is John McGinn

It's understandable not like is it a Ginn or Guinness

Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2018, 10:38:04 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Brassneck on August 08, 2018, 10:39:08 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?

The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 10:47:04 AM
Yes the medical bod has said it's going ahead.

Monday made clear that we need a lot more drive and legs in our central midfield. We're so static at times.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 08, 2018, 10:51:51 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?

The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.

Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2018, 10:53:16 AM
Thanks chaps. At work. Bloody inconvenient given how close we are to the deadline!
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Brassneck on August 08, 2018, 10:55:43 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?

The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.

Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!

It's "Villa Transfers" but he doesn't accept new followers for some reason.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 08, 2018, 10:58:58 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?

The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.

Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!

It's "Villa Transfers" but he doesn't accept new followers for some reason.

OK, ta
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 08, 2018, 11:06:41 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?

The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.

Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!

It's "Villa Transfers" but he doesn't accept new followers for some reason.

Deeply suspicious of such people, are they gathering followers to start some sort of revolutionary army?
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2018, 11:09:09 AM
Doesn't like idiots clogging up his feed maybe.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: dicedlam on August 08, 2018, 11:13:07 AM
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.

Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.

One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.


Lets not forget dela Cruz 😉

...or Alex Cropley (via Arsenal).
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: olaftab on August 08, 2018, 11:18:15 AM
Maybe it’s the medical that’s done🤔
Did he have a medical at Celtic as well?
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 08, 2018, 12:00:50 PM
If the Grealish deal is to be believed he needs at least another 17 medicals before signing.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 08, 2018, 12:12:19 PM
Really hope this is true, a very big welcome
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Bad English on August 08, 2018, 12:23:49 PM
STSATRTG
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 12:34:19 PM
STSATRTG

Don't you mean STSATRTF?
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 08, 2018, 12:45:15 PM
Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.

One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.

Loved Dessie Bremner. He ran all day, simply did not stop.

If McGinn is as good a player and is as committed as he was, we will be very lucky and I will be very happy. The perfect foil for Sid, Dennis Mortimer, and Tony Morley.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/niDXLe/Des_Bremner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/niDXLe)
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: vbm on August 08, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
While the youtube video looks promising - we appear to have a number of attacking midfielders - anyone who watch Scottish Fitba know if this guy is better than Lansbury, Conner etc.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 01:05:28 PM
Has the Celtic stuff gone away then?
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2018, 01:15:54 PM
no they are still there, the king minnow in a league of spratts
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Bad English on August 08, 2018, 01:39:02 PM
STSATRTG

Don't you mean STSATRTF?
It might be STSATRTC you know!
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2018, 01:39:31 PM
from the Beeb:

Aston Villa have agreed a fee with Hibernian to sign John McGinn, with the midfielder undergoing a medical.

The player has been in talks with the English Championship club since Tuesday and is understood to be close to a move.

Celtic have had two bids for the Scotland international rejected.

"I think Celtic have matched the offer but I think Villa are in the driving position at the minute," said Hibs manager Neil Lennon.

"John went down to Birmingham, A fee has been agreed. I don't know if personal terms have been agreed yet."
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2018, 01:49:56 PM
If you were the medical employee, would you risk your job for some minor internet fame?

The risk/reward doesn’t seem worth it to me. Each to their own I suppose.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: manic-road on August 08, 2018, 02:18:34 PM
If Jack is staying this could be a transfer that will end up with him going to Celtic.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 02:34:35 PM
If Jack is staying this could be a transfer that will end up with him going to Celtic.

Why?
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: ajmant on August 08, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
FFP for starters.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 02:36:29 PM
FFP for starters.

Why?
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 02:39:11 PM
John McGinn:

Transfer fee of £2,100,00 and A four year deal with a weekly wages of £15,000.

For the 2018/19 accounts that is £1,305,000.

We've just received the thick end of £4,000,000. Why is this deal an issue for FFP?
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 08, 2018, 02:41:27 PM
I’d assume because we are anywhere from £15-£40m short of FFP still
My guess is we will try bring McGinn in with the understanding jack will be off in January. That’ll give mcginn time to settle in and get up to speed without him necessarily being seen as a like for like replacement for jack
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: ajmant on August 08, 2018, 02:45:03 PM
Because we'd still have Grealish on our books and we have a hole bigger than £2,695,000
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 03:15:49 PM
The purchase isn't dependant on Grealish being sold, along with Bryan, is more than covered by Traore while still reducing any deficit.

Grealish and McGinn do not play in the same position or in the same way. This chap is box to box.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2018, 03:18:30 PM
Hasn't Nassef Sawiris asked his accountant to look through the books and apparently said we're good to go without selling Grealish. I think a few days before NSWE bought us I heard a Simon Jordan say the figures going around that Villa needed to find were way off the mark.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2018, 03:20:36 PM
Doesn't the £6 - £7 million saving a year from getting Terry and Agbonlahor off the books go towards helping in terms of FFP or not? And didn't NSWE purchase a few million pounds worth of shares only a few days ago too...does that help?
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2018, 03:21:56 PM
Surely any sell on fee for Traore will be a percentage of the increase in value rather than on the sale price?  If Wolves pay £18m, and we got what, £7m for him, that's an increase of £11m and 20% of that is just over £2m, not £4m.  And that's assuming that idiot Xia hasn't already sold the benefit for 2 and 6.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 08, 2018, 03:35:02 PM
Most factoring I've come across only deals with known future income, which is why we've done deals on Westwood, Amavi and Sanchez monies. There was no certainty Traore would be sold and for what when we were scratching around for money. I think.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 03:37:07 PM
Most factoring I've come across only deals with known future income, which is why we've done deals on Westwood, Amavi and Sanchez monies. There was no certainty Traore would be sold and for what when we were scratching around for money. I think.

I assume they could do a cash deal on the clause.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2018, 05:20:15 PM
villatransfers guy says medical done
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 08, 2018, 07:04:32 PM
I like the sound of this signing.  Don't know much about him, but what I do sounds all positive.  And though it's not entirely rational, we have rarely been disappointed by the many Scottish players that have played for us down the years.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2018, 07:22:45 PM
Hasn't Nassef Sawiris asked his accountant to look through the books and apparently said we're good to go without selling Grealish. I think a few days before NSWE bought us I heard a Simon Jordan say the figures going around that Villa needed to find were way off the mark.

That’s exactly how I see it.
I think the new guys would have had their best people all over the books and the finances to understand exactly where we are and what we can and cannot do.
I still think the FFP is a real issue but was made to appear much worse by Xia to cover up the fact he hasnt got a pot to piss in.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2018, 07:23:53 PM
I just hope he doesn't get moody and homesick like Maloney did. We don't want him driving back to Dundee in bare feet.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: themossman on August 08, 2018, 07:25:51 PM
Just need to shower him with toblerone and he’ll be OK.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Eckybloke on August 08, 2018, 07:27:00 PM
There used to be flights from Dundee to Birmingham. Dundee would be fine. 😁
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 08, 2018, 07:34:31 PM
Confirmed.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
Welcome John, be awesome.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2018, 07:37:06 PM
He's signed. Happy with this. Welcome, John. 😁
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2018, 07:38:36 PM
Neil "second best Lennon in Scottish football management" Lennon:

“He goes with everyone’s best wishes – he’s been absolutely superb on and off the pitch. He’s a joy to work with and I’ve really enjoyed watching him play."
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 08, 2018, 07:39:12 PM
Just informed my wife that we'd signed another player. Her first response was "goalkeeper?"
Welcome John!
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: manic-road on August 08, 2018, 07:43:40 PM
Welcome to the Villa John.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: KevinGage on August 08, 2018, 07:44:22 PM
Celtic-supporting pal of mine says there is a touch of the Roy Keanes (early era) about him.

That'll do for me. 

So long as he's not kung fu kicking tactics boards and bailing on the club the moment someone disagrees with him.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2018, 07:44:25 PM
From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: walsall villain on August 08, 2018, 07:44:39 PM
Pleased with this. Surely the right direction for us. We need to offload Gardner and Lansbury as soon as possible.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: dave shelley on August 08, 2018, 07:45:33 PM
Welcome John, I have a feeling that you are going to do very well here.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Stu on August 08, 2018, 07:46:05 PM
Great stuff. Happy with this one.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: four fornicholl on August 08, 2018, 07:47:21 PM
He said himself he runs like a helicopter, can I call him Budgie?
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2018, 07:47:37 PM
From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.

Yup. It could turn out to be a great bit of business. Hibs fans can't speak highly enough of him.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 08, 2018, 07:47:44 PM
Welcome John, don't be shit
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: CT on August 08, 2018, 07:48:57 PM
Just heard Owen Coyle give him a really glowing reference and it seems the Hibs fans think he's something really special. They also seem pleased he's joining us too.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: Rigadon on August 08, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
Just heard Owen Coyle give him a really glowing reference and it seems the Hibs fans think he's something really special. They also seem pleased he's joining us too.

Anybody but Celtic I'd imagine!
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 08, 2018, 07:50:45 PM
Very excited with this signing
Shades of when Andy Gray joined us
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: four fornicholl on August 08, 2018, 07:51:11 PM
Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
Came across well.
Bruce’s coaching already kicking in as he said ‘we’ll be there or therabouts’ 3 times in his interview.😂

Welcome John.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2018, 07:55:07 PM
Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.

We should have agreed that the fee included the transfer of "Sunshine on Leith" to us, and if Tottenham really want Grealish, one of the conditions is that they have to take "On the piss, My Lord" with them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2018, 07:56:21 PM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KevinGage on August 08, 2018, 07:57:19 PM
Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.

We should have agreed that the fee included the transfer of "Sunshine on Leith" to us, and if Tottenham really want Grealish, one of the conditions is that they have to take "On the piss, My Lord" with them.

I hate Tottingham, but I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PM
I think this is great signing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 07:57:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGQQB3XoAEd6KK.jpg)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 07:58:46 PM
He's signed. Happy with this. Welcome, John. 😁

I'm worried what is reaction will be when he realises he hasn't signed for Hearts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 07:59:09 PM
I like his attitude. Switched on and Inteligent lad.

It's clear from Monday that our midfield needs that drive and bite. We don't need a headless chicken so his range of passing is pleasing.

I don't know much about him, but I'm hopeful. I'm always hopeful.

I just feel like there's some momentum.

New owners
Keeping Jack
Adding quality like Bryan et al
Coming from behind away from home

I just feel very positive at the moment, which when you consider where we were in June is excellent.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 07:59:46 PM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2018, 08:02:00 PM
I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.

You know more than me then! But sounds promising.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2018, 08:06:59 PM
I don't know why, but I haven't been this excited about a signing for a while.  He looks young, talented and hungry, and exactly what we need to supplement Jack in the centre of midfield.

Why have Villa made his first interview look like he's been taken hostage though?!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 08:07:22 PM
Never heard of him before, while I enjoy non league football i'm not a big enough anorak to pay any attention to those amateur leagues in Very Northern England.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2018, 08:09:08 PM
From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.

Yup. It could turn out to be a great bit of business. Hibs fans can't speak highly enough of him.
If we do keep hold of Jack I think these 2 could compliment each other quite nicely....a lot better than Conor or Glenn can.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DB on August 08, 2018, 08:13:28 PM
My jock mates reckon he is a tidy player, good on the ball and will do well in the C-ship.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2018, 08:15:55 PM
Seems like a really nice lad as well from that interview.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 08, 2018, 08:18:53 PM
Hibs fans love him and send him with their best wishes which is a great sign. As I posted on the JG thread the disillusioned Jack Grealish is liking the AV Official Instagram photos of the signing???
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 08:19:54 PM
Could be a new ‘Der Hammer’ going by the video compilation.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2018, 08:21:05 PM
I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.

You know more than me then! But sounds promising.

Hibs fans referring to him as a 'legend'. Almost everyone wishing him well and quite a few have now decided for the first time they an "English club" to support.

Also mentioned that despite an undisclosed fee, there are rumours of a additional £2m promotion fee if and when we go up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2018, 08:23:46 PM
I don't know why, but I haven't been this excited about a signing for a while.  He looks young, talented and hungry, and exactly what we need to supplement Jack in the centre of midfield.

Why have Villa made his first interview look like he's been taken hostage though?!

With Celtic lurking maybe we had to capture him to get him to sign. He looks like he hasn't seen daylight in a couple of days and hasn't eaten. Hungry is probably accurate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2018, 08:24:00 PM
If we go up I'll happily pay the £2 million "Promotion Fee" myself.





Someone might need to chip in a bit to help out, say £1,999,998.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on August 08, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Hibs fans love him and send him with their best wishes which is a great sign. As I posted on the JG thread the disillusioned Jack Grealish is liking the AV Official Instagram photos of the signing???

Lots of Hibs fans on Facebook saying he's the real deal and wishing him luck.. that's promising.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ajmant on August 08, 2018, 08:27:39 PM
I’ve seen him a few times. Good on the ball, decent shot and from what I remember will get stuck in. Good signing in my opinion, bargain at the price.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 08:30:00 PM
Interesting that he talked about signings (emphasis on the plural) coming in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 08:33:55 PM
Good interview.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: oldtimernow on August 08, 2018, 08:35:24 PM
Good fill in for Snoddy and someone who can understand Hutton perhaps
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2018, 08:35:34 PM
If he's anyway near as good as the hibs fans reckon, I predict he'll have ousted hourihane from the midfield by November
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 08, 2018, 08:37:19 PM
The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.

Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".

What a great day to be a Villa fan!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: The Edge on August 08, 2018, 08:38:35 PM
From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.

Yup. It could turn out to be a great bit of business. Hibs fans can't speak highly enough of him.
If we do keep hold of Jack I think these 2 could compliment each other quite nicely....a lot better than Conor or Glenn can.
Just a couple of weeks ago we were staring into the financial abyss thanks to the shenanigans of Dr X and co. Today we have told Daniel "the vulture" Levy to shove his 25mill up his arse and we've outbid a huge club like Celtic to land the signature of a very promising young talent from Scotland. In light of recent developments it's a momentous day for Aston Villa Football Club. Welcome John Mcginn to our illustrious club. Massive thanks to the new owners. Can't fookin wait for Saturday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 08:42:01 PM
The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.

Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".

What a great day to be a Villa fan!

He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 08, 2018, 08:55:36 PM
Seems like a nice lad. Looking forward to seeing what he can do. Best of luck, John!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 08, 2018, 09:06:33 PM
Welcome on board John, looks like the kind of player we've missed since Milner.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2018, 09:09:36 PM
no one fucks with the Villa.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Broughty-Villian on August 08, 2018, 09:19:42 PM
Great player, and a great signing. Seen a bit of him, and he's a good wee player. And it's pised the Celts off. Bonus.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 08, 2018, 09:50:20 PM
I know nothing about this guy and I hope he's a world beater but once again what message does this send to the likes of Callum O'Hare?

Aren't we in danger of making the same mistake of the last two owners and trying to buy success whilst ignoring our youth set up?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 09:52:44 PM
Not really. There’s a balance to be struck and you can’t place sole reliance on youth. If a young player is good enough they’ll come through.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 09:55:53 PM
Not really. There’s a balance to be struck and you can’t place sole reliance on youth. If a young player is good enough they’ll come through.

Once Steve Bruce is sacked.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2018, 09:56:00 PM
I think he's more of an 8 than a 10 like O'Hare

But I agree would be great if we can shift out Lansbury, Gardner, Taylor etc
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: b23 on August 08, 2018, 10:14:44 PM
The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.

Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".

What a great day to be a Villa fan!

He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.

Further explanation ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 08, 2018, 11:18:50 PM
The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.

Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".

What a great day to be a Villa fan!

He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.

Further explanation ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506

He’s a full-back though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: littleoldme on August 08, 2018, 11:22:33 PM
Seem's to be a nice,well balanced,and articulate lad,welcome to The Villa.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 08, 2018, 11:30:40 PM
Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.

My youngest would love it!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 08, 2018, 11:31:20 PM
I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.

You know more than me then! But sounds promising.

Hibs fans referring to him as a 'legend'. Almost everyone wishing him well and quite a few have now decided for the first time they an "English club" to support.

Also mentioned that despite an undisclosed fee, there are rumours of a additional £2m promotion fee if and when we go up.

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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 11:33:00 PM

The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.

Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".

What a great day to be a Villa fan!

He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.

Further explanation ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506

He’s a full-back though.

And ironically would be perfect for us if Bryan has gone to Fulham.

With the article, I assume the lower part of the article is the relevant bit as it basically said what I had said.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 08, 2018, 11:34:45 PM
Good fill in for Snoddy and someone who can understand Hutton perhaps

He is going to piss over the rest of our midfield. Stoke flogging Adam to Liverpool comes to mind. He can play (as affirmed by a Motherwell season ticket holder I know).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2018, 11:35:46 PM
I know a couple of hibs fans and from what they've said, and the videos I can find I think he's the player we all want Thor to be.  Works his balls off, tenacious in defence but has a decent passing game and a good shot on him. If it were up to me I spend a few months slowly bringing him on to replace Jedi/Whelan. I still want us to give game time to the kids though (once more, I think Jack Clarke could be a fantastic player in a few years) but I'd be much happier bringing them in alongside someone like McGinn than expecting them to run for Jedi or Whelan.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 11:45:50 PM
Never mind. Having a nightmare quoting comments from my iPad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2018, 11:47:32 PM
My old man is a Hearts fan and says McGinn has been brilliant for Hibs and reckons he'll be great for us too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2018, 11:49:13 PM
Looks a cracking player. In the Bruce world, I am not sure who he replaces in the team though. At home I would hope Whelan and we really go for it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 08, 2018, 11:52:41 PM
I know a couple of hibs fans and from what they've said, and the videos I can find I think he's the player we all want Thor to be.  Works his balls off, tenacious in defence but has a decent passing game and a good shot on him. If it were up to me I spend a few months slowly bringing him on to replace Jedi/Whelan. I still want us to give game time to the kids though (once more, I think Jack Clarke could be a fantastic player in a few years) but I'd be much happier bringing them in alongside someone like McGinn than expecting them to run for Jedi or Whelan.

Looks more of an attacking midfielder to me Paul from the clips I have seen.  Despite his goals last season, I didn't think Hourihane's all round game was good enough and hope that McGinn will challenge for his place. 

Think the kid will need time to settle and expectations should be adjusted accordingly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 08, 2018, 11:53:14 PM

VERY happy about this signing. I just hope our lot stick with him and don't expect miracles straight away
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2018, 12:08:14 AM
I know a couple of hibs fans and from what they've said, and the videos I can find I think he's the player we all want Thor to be.  Works his balls off, tenacious in defence but has a decent passing game and a good shot on him. If it were up to me I spend a few months slowly bringing him on to replace Jedi/Whelan. I still want us to give game time to the kids though (once more, I think Jack Clarke could be a fantastic player in a few years) but I'd be much happier bringing them in alongside someone like McGinn than expecting them to run for Jedi or Whelan.

Looks more of an attacking midfielder to me Paul from the clips I have seen.  Despite his goals last season, I didn't think Hourihane's all round game was good enough and hope that McGinn will challenge for his place. 

Think the kid will need time to settle and expectations should be adjusted accordingly.

I think he has played more attacking but I suspect he'll have to move deeper to be successful in the championship and with his mobility and shot he could easily play a little deeper and be in place for the 2nd ball and get plenty of chances.

I think we need to start concentrating on adding pace, technical skill and mobility to the team and by getting him to replace Whelan/Jedi you add loads of extra pace with the only loss being Jedi's aerial ability (and you'd bring him in for games where that's going to be helpful).  There aren't many teams in the league with an 8 or 10 who'd worry me to the point where we need the extra man sitting in so we can afford to look at a '1 stay 1 go' setup in midfield, Maybe with McGinn and Thor together (but then looking at getting the kids involved as well).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 09, 2018, 04:40:23 AM
Almost everyone plays with a holding midfielder nowadays

He looks more of an 8 than a 6 so I agree he may compete with hourihane especially if he's got a better all round game

But perhaps Bruce does think he can hold midfield.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: b23 on August 09, 2018, 08:55:17 AM

The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.

Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".

What a great day to be a Villa fan!

He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.

Further explanation ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506

He’s a full-back though.

And ironically would be perfect for us if Bryan has gone to Fulham.

With the article, I assume the lower part of the article is the relevant bit as it basically said what I had said.

Yes. The last three paragraphs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on August 09, 2018, 09:05:30 AM
Got a reply from a Hibs season ticket holder mate of mine this morning, having asked about him last night about McGinn as I don't know much about Scottish football:

"Gutted! He's bloody brilliant mate! Can do everything. He won't be the best attacking, creative or defensive midfielder in the league, but he might be the best midfielder at doing a bit of all three. A bit like a young Roy Keane (but not that level yet, obviously). He can also run all day long. He'll make your team better, nae bother."

In a follow-up he said he doesn't really "boss" games like Keane, as the guy pulling the strings most of the time for Hibs last season was McGeouch, who has just joined Sunderland on a free.  McGinn definitely the better all-round player though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2018, 09:47:23 AM
Almost everyone plays with a holding midfielder nowadays

He looks more of an 8 than a 6 so I agree he may compete with hourihane especially if he's got a better all round game

But perhaps Bruce does think he can hold midfield.

I really hope he's going to play the Whelan/Jedinak role.  The problem with playing with either of the two older players is that as good as they are at reading the game and breaking up play, as soon as you want to launch a quick counterattack you're effectively playing with 10 men. It's what Onomah SHOULD have been doing last year, but hope that this lad can be the upgrade we need.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: lovejoy on August 09, 2018, 10:03:15 AM
Hopefully a premier league club doesn't come in for him....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: auntiesledd on August 09, 2018, 10:04:58 AM
Welcome to Aston Villa, John. May you be a great success & get us back to the land of filthy lucre & BS asap!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 09, 2018, 11:28:52 AM
McGinty mcginn ! Looks a player. User of both feet and was funny hearing him say he has a distinct running style.

Really apparent needs drive and legs and this guy can go with it and give much needed dynamism
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on August 09, 2018, 12:03:36 PM
Watch this.

https://twitter.com/euan_wishart/status/1027276662579376128?s=12
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: D.boy on August 09, 2018, 12:14:27 PM
Can someone translate that please.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: auntiesledd on August 10, 2018, 10:04:09 AM
Can someone translate that please.




 ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 10, 2018, 10:34:48 AM
Know little about him except the reports in the press. Its good that we are getting him at a young age when his best years should still be ahead.  If he lives up to his billing then it maybe a smart bit of business keeping Jack and adding this guy as well.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: boozey182 on August 10, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
I can't wait to see this guy play. I'll admit to having never heard of him before this week, but all the reports on him are very promising. And the Hibs supporters seem great!

It's been a long time since we've had a midfielder that can run, tackle, pass and shoot. Would be great if he can do the work of Whelan and Hourihane to free up a space for some more energy and creativity.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 10, 2018, 12:36:15 PM
I like that song for him too.

Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2018, 12:59:00 PM
Can someone translate that please.




 ;)

Love it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2018, 02:06:00 PM
I like that song for him too.

Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.

'He's now a Villa man'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tuscans on August 10, 2018, 02:08:57 PM
I like that song for him too.

Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
That will do nicely.

'He's now a Villa man'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: D.boy on August 10, 2018, 02:38:52 PM
I like that song for him too.

Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
That will do nicely.

'He's now a Villa man'.
that works well
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 10, 2018, 03:50:29 PM
We’ve got McGinn, Super John McGinn,
I just don’t think you understand,
He’s now a Villa man,
He’s better than Zidane,
We’ve got Super John McGinn,
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 10, 2018, 04:40:18 PM
Perfect
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 10, 2018, 04:52:39 PM
We’ve got McGinn, Super John McGinn,
I just don’t think you understand,
He’s now a Villa man,
He’s better than Zidane,
We’ve got Super John McGinn,


As noted, there seems such well wishing to him and us from Hibs fans I think adapting their song would feel right too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Iamkmkm on August 10, 2018, 05:06:35 PM
Can someone translate that please.








 ;)

Love it.


Better than zidane?? Blimey what a bargain
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 10, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
Yep, except they mean Zidane now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on August 10, 2018, 06:31:24 PM
Yep, except they mean Zidane now.

would probably still be a bargain
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on August 10, 2018, 08:58:03 PM
Great photo's of him training today.  A big smile on his face all the way through.  He's going to be a cult hero. The Hibs song is a cracker by the way.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on August 10, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
My one concern, is the orbital hypertelorism.
Perhaps it gives him greater vision.

I'm very optimistic, however, fans are very good judge of character.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Louzie0 on August 10, 2018, 09:17:03 PM
Not sure there are plans to replace the floodlights, TheMalandro.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on August 10, 2018, 09:21:58 PM
Not sure there are plans to replace the floodlights, TheMalandro.

😀
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hibby Villa on August 11, 2018, 12:27:50 AM
Hi guys. First time poster. One of the many Hibs supporters who have adopted Villa as my English team. Used to look out for Villa when I had family who lived in Warwick and rejoiced in your league and European Cup wins.
I lost interest in English football when Sky ruined it with too much money and have only taken an interest in my beloved Hibs over the past few years.

Anyway I just wanted to add to the thread that you have got a fantastic player in John McGinn. He is a box to box midfielder who has managed to add goals to his game over the last season. He scored the goal which sent us through in the last round of the Europa League.

Wins tackles, holds onto the ball when he has no right and will add a real energy to your midfield. You are very lucky to have got him for the money quoted.

He has started to establish himself in the Scotland team and is generally seen as the natural successor to Scotty Brown for Scotland. He has been named as man of the match for 2 of his 9 caps.

I really look forward to seeing him develop with you. Apart from that he is a lovely guy, very level headed and a credit to his family. He will work his balls off to be a success.

On a separate note I remember both soldier ((Alex Cropley) and Des Bremner playing for both Hibs and Villa. I think as much of them as you guys do. Alex lives near me and has had a few health problems which have stopped him driving his taxi. He is in pretty good shape though and is another lovely guy.

Be looking out for your result tomorrow. Think your game on Tuesday is on Sky so hope to see SJM playing. Great idea to keep his song though you can’t get Sunshine on Villa. It just won’t work!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villan from luton on August 11, 2018, 12:40:14 AM
Hibby Villa, I can confirm you are genuine as a Hibs mate I met on holiday a few years back is a black cabbie and says Alex Cropley is. He was a superb footballer and one of the best left foots I can think of before the assault on him. As for Des Bremner, I saw him in his debut v Arsenal in the worst 0-0 draw you can imagine and thought he is you know what. How wrong I was, a massive player for us and still don't know how he didn't get called up for Scotland whilst at Villa.

Great comments re John McGinn and he sure seems a great bargain. You Hibs fans are brilliant, my mate sent me a video after you beat Rangers in the final re Sunshine on leith and brilliant the lads singing it love your club. Me and the lad coming up for hibs game this season  and mate coming down to see SJM. If you fancy meeting up when in Edinburgh for a beer great

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2018, 12:45:45 AM
Thanks for the info Hibby Villa. Good luck for the rest of the season, unless you draw Clyde in the cup. 😊
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2018, 12:51:01 AM
Hibs will be my new Scottish team. Great stories, hope SJM is anywhere near as good as the players mentioned, if so, we are very fortunate and I look forward to seeing him play.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 11, 2018, 01:14:02 AM
Thanks for your post Hibby Villa, but have you seen our latest shirt? It's well Jambofied. Irvine Welsh will be spinning in whatever he rotates in these days.

Best wishes to you for the season.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2018, 01:30:15 AM
How’s he going the bridge the gap of moving from non league football to just below top tier English league?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2018, 03:37:58 AM
On a separate note I remember both soldier ((Alex Cropley) and Des Bremner playing for both Hibs and Villa. I think as much of them as you guys do. Alex lives near me and has had a few health problems which have stopped him driving his taxi. He is in pretty good shape though and is another lovely guy.

Hibby, if you ever see him, send him our love.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JD on August 11, 2018, 04:26:23 AM
Reading the new Irving Welsh book and John McGinnis gets a few mentions.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2018, 08:22:54 AM
Reading the new Irving Welsh book and John McGinnis gets a few mentions.

It's McGinn JD, autocorrect gone mad again?  I can see we're going to have a Clark/Clarke with this one.

Thanks for the post Hibby and the best of luck to you and your club for the future.  I like Hibs, Rebus supports them.

Des Bremner is one of life's true gentlemen, treated me with absolute respect when I met him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2018, 08:24:40 AM
Wearing number 7!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 11, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
Reading the new Irving Welsh book and John McGinnis gets a few mentions.

He does look very Scottish. And under nourished
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 11, 2018, 09:34:42 AM
Thanks Hibby Villa. I was delighted when you won your first FA Cup since 1902, gave me hope for Villa.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 09:49:09 AM
Hi guys. First time poster. One of the many Hibs supporters who have adopted Villa as my English team. Used to look out for Villa when I had family who lived in Warwick and rejoiced in your league and European Cup wins.
I lost interest in English football when Sky ruined it with too much money and have only taken an interest in my beloved Hibs over the past few years.

Anyway I just wanted to add to the thread that you have got a fantastic player in John McGinn. He is a box to box midfielder who has managed to add goals to his game over the last season. He scored the goal which sent us through in the last round of the Europa League.

Wins tackles, holds onto the ball when he has no right and will add a real energy to your midfield. You are very lucky to have got him for the money quoted.

He has started to establish himself in the Scotland team and is generally seen as the natural successor to Scotty Brown for Scotland. He has been named as man of the match for 2 of his 9 caps.

I really look forward to seeing him develop with you. Apart from that he is a lovely guy, very level headed and a credit to his family. He will work his balls off to be a success.

On a separate note I remember both soldier ((Alex Cropley) and Des Bremner playing for both Hibs and Villa. I think as much of them as you guys do. Alex lives near me and has had a few health problems which have stopped him driving his taxi. He is in pretty good shape though and is another lovely guy.

Be looking out for your result tomorrow. Think your game on Tuesday is on Sky so hope to see SJM playing. Great idea to keep his song though you can’t get Sunshine on Villa. It just won’t work!

The Hibs fans all over Twitter have been great.  Here's hoping McGinn lives up to his promise down here, and if he put in even half the effort he did for you, the Villa fans will love him.  Good luck for the season mate, I'll be keeping half an eye on your results.  If you're going to watch our highlights to see how he gets on though, be prepared for the fact that it'll look like he's playing for Hearts.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hibby Villa on August 11, 2018, 10:14:54 AM
Thanks for the warm welcome. Did notice the shirt had moved on from the classic style but it is not quite bloody turd coloured like the Hearts one.

Scottish football isn’t as bad as it is made out to be by the English press. Though like English football there are some poor games  Sure he can make the step up to the championship.

Looking forward to seeing how SJM performs today. Remember to give him time but you will see enough to know that you have a player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2018, 10:36:34 AM
Thanks for the warm welcome. Did notice the shirt had moved on from the classic style but it is not quite bloody turd coloured like the Hearts one.

Scottish football isn’t as bad as it is made out to be by the English press. Though like English football there are some poor games  Sure he can make the step up to the championship.

Looking forward to seeing how SJM performs today. Remember to give him time but you will see enough to know that you have a player.

Without wanting to get too matey, your cup final win over the zombies was my favourite non-villa football thing in yonks, despite it costing me about £300 in data charges on my phone in Zagreb.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2018, 10:44:45 AM
Snoddy's sent McGinn a nice tweet apparently, saying he's joined a top club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JD on August 11, 2018, 11:14:56 AM
Dave it was auto correct. I typed it in twice and it changed It, but I thought I had outsmarted it. How wrong was I.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2018, 11:23:05 AM
 :) :-[
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 11, 2018, 11:30:56 AM
Also on the Hibs link, I have fond memories of Willie Hamilton - an attacking midfielder we signed from them in 65. Only stayed a couple of years and sadly died young.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 11, 2018, 11:34:21 AM
All the best Hibby Villa, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2018, 11:42:16 AM
Also on the Hibs link, I have fond memories of Willie Hamilton - an attacking midfielder we signed from them in 65. Only stayed a couple of years and sadly died young.

A real blast from the past Woofles.  Liked a drink I believe.  I'm not too sure about my recollection of this but I know we were on one of the very first MOTD's about 1964 when it was broadcast on the newly formed BBC 2, Willie scored what today we call a worldy, the opposition I can't remember, 'Boro comes to mind.  It was a real beauty.

Me and the old man couldn't wait for MOD that night, it was on early IIRC, the problem was BBC 2 reception was bit hit and miss in our maisonette and we couldn't tune it in that evening so have never seen it since.  It would be interesting to find out if the BBC have it archived.

RIP Willie.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: malckennedy on August 11, 2018, 11:59:58 AM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2018, 12:05:39 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).

I don't think it would work Mal.  Leith is Leith.  We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2018, 12:13:27 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).

I don't think it would work Mal.  Leith is Leith.  We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.


We could have a summer and a winter song. A Scorcher In Aston and Wet In Witton. Or maybe even Pissing Down In Perry Barr.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2018, 12:14:13 PM
The Hibs Final against the Glasgow Branch of the EDL was fucking ace.

If McGinn can help end a 114 year drought, our 62 year drought should be a piece of piss.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2018, 12:18:17 PM
I was trying to think who John McGinn reminded me of and it finally clicked. His name reminded me of John McGinley, Bolton's striker from their mid nineties cup runs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: malckennedy on August 11, 2018, 12:18:45 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).

I don't think it would work Mal.  Leith is Leith.  We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.

Yeah, that’s the bit I meant when I said in the main. Pity it’s the central part of the song!

I was just thinking we could overlook that! Or even sing “sunshine on me” for that part?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 11, 2018, 01:40:36 PM
Pat Nevin's just given a glowing endorsement of McGinn on 5 Live, declaring him one of the signings of the summer. He reckons he's one of only two Scottish Prem players who would walk into an English Premier League side, never mind a Championship one (Tierney being the other? I think that's who he said, never heard of him but I'm guessing he plays for Celtic). He says he's brilliant and it's a great bit of business from Villa. Nice to hear. Hope he's right.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2018, 01:46:17 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).

I don't think it would work Mal.  Leith is Leith.  We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.

Yeah, that’s the bit I meant when I said in the main. Pity it’s the central part of the song!

I was just thinking we could overlook that! Or even sing “sunshine on me” for that part?

Just checked McGinn's height, the same as the other Hibs legend, Alex Cropley..

Five foot eight
Not much weight
John McGinn is fcuking great
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2018, 01:46:44 PM
So do I!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 01:52:28 PM
Come all without, come all within
You’ll not see nothing like John McGinn
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 11, 2018, 01:57:06 PM
5’8” not much weight jihn McGinn is fuckin great
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 02:03:01 PM
He’s pale, he’s thin
His name is John McGinn, John McGinnnnnnn
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 11, 2018, 02:06:52 PM
I was going to suggest 'Begin the McGinn' but Julio Iglesias numbers don't lend themselves to rousing terrace anthems.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).

I love that youtube clip after the cup final of the Hibs fans singing that.  Awesome.

Ever since I have wanted to get up there for the Edinburgh derby.  I think Pat Nevin said it is the most atmospheric derby in football. He's played in the liverpool and london derbies, so knows a thing or two.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on August 11, 2018, 04:50:17 PM
Think I may have a new favourite player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2018, 04:59:42 PM
Massively impressed by him. Reminds me of Birchy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2018, 05:10:35 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisf on August 11, 2018, 05:14:58 PM
With delivery like that, we need Hogan back ASAP.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 05:16:18 PM
With delivery like that, we need Hogan back ASAP.

I quite like being 2nd in the league though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on August 11, 2018, 05:16:28 PM
Best debut for a while.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2018, 05:17:52 PM
What a fucking player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2018, 05:19:30 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.

Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KevinGage on August 11, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
Pat Nevin's just given a glowing endorsement of McGinn on 5 Live, declaring him one of the signings of the summer. He reckons he's one of only two Scottish Prem players who would walk into an English Premier League side, never mind a Championship one (Tierney being the other? I think that's who he said, never heard of him but I'm guessing he plays for Celtic). He says he's brilliant and it's a great bit of business from Villa. Nice to hear. Hope he's right.

Tierney is good. Linked with Liverpool and Arsenal in the summer for circa £15 million.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2018, 05:20:58 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.

Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.

Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 05:27:55 PM
Excellent debut and everything we were led to believe.  Seems to have graft and ability in equal measure.  I think he and Grealish will like playing in the same team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: oldtimernow on August 11, 2018, 05:31:24 PM
Best debut for a while.

reminds me of Deeno in some ways.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on August 11, 2018, 05:33:23 PM
Excellent debut and everything we were led to believe.  Seems to have graft and ability in equal measure.  I think he and Grealish will like playing in the same team.
So that's Bremner and Cowans positions sorted, we're on our way back! ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2018, 05:38:10 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.

Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.

Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.

My point remains though. Two entirely different types of player. We need to find someone to replace those goals as we can’t keep relying on defenders, defensive midfielders and own goals. I’m not saying at all I’d prefer Hourihane over McGinn. The opposite on the evidence of today. I’m just saying it’s great we have both but if McGinn plays more he has chip in too and as he did today create for others.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on August 11, 2018, 05:57:06 PM
Best debut for a while.

reminds me of Deeno in some ways.

I thought the same.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2018, 05:58:05 PM
Best debut for a while.

reminds me of Deeno in some ways.

And Carbone!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on August 11, 2018, 05:58:37 PM
Best debut for ages.  Really impressed. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 11, 2018, 06:11:03 PM
It was nice to have someone hit the ground running. Well played, son.

I saw the Deano likeness, but somewhat alarmingly later in the game, I caught a glimpse and my brain went, "shit, Westwood's back". It was the way he was standing, probably. He wasn't pointing or anything.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2018, 06:13:12 PM
Sounds like a belter.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 06:43:34 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.

Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.

Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.

My point remains though. Two entirely different types of player. We need to find someone to replace those goals as we can’t keep relying on defenders, defensive midfielders and own goals. I’m not saying at all I’d prefer Hourihane over McGinn. The opposite on the evidence of today. I’m just saying it’s great we have both but if McGinn plays more he has chip in too and as he did today create for others.

He had that absolute blast of a shot from about 30 yards in the first half, that had it been a few inches to the right would have flown past the keeper and into the net.  I think this lad will chip in with his fair share.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on August 11, 2018, 06:45:31 PM
Reminded me a little of Houghton.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 11, 2018, 07:15:45 PM
My new favourite player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 11, 2018, 07:20:29 PM
Reminded me of Steve McMahon a bit
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on August 11, 2018, 07:25:18 PM
The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 11, 2018, 07:25:42 PM
Great set pieces, plus a gorgeous cross for Kodjia (who completely muffed it) just before Wigan's second.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2018, 07:30:20 PM
The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.

I remember in Holman's first few games people were saying he played like Des Bremner so important to keep calm as we've seen many players look amazing on their debut and then fade into obscurity.

Looking forward to watching McGinn though, he sounds like everything I expect Hourihane to be.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: achilles on August 11, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
Great set pieces, plus a gorgeous cross for Kodjia (who completely muffed it) just before Wigan's second.

He also put in a superb whipped low cross in the first half but surprise, surprise nobody was there (Hogan would love him).
This guy is going to be awesome, premier quality already, absolutely superb debut!
Hope Hibs have a sell on clause because he will eventually go for big money!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 07:35:59 PM
The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.

I remember in Holman's first few games people were saying he played like Des Bremner so important to keep calm as we've seen many players look amazing on their debut and then fade into obscurity.

Looking forward to watching McGinn though, he sounds like everything I expect Hourihane to be.

I don’t recall anybody saying that Holman was anything other than total garbage, which he was.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2018, 07:46:17 PM
The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.

I remember in Holman's first few games people were saying he played like Des Bremner so important to keep calm as we've seen many players look amazing on their debut and then fade into obscurity.

Looking forward to watching McGinn though, he sounds like everything I expect Hourihane to be.

I don’t recall anybody saying that Holman was anything other than total garbage, which he was.

Holman was o.k first few games away to Newcastle and West Brom although that was more due to him running around like a maniac than any quality on the ball as we saw later!

One of best villa debuts I can remember was Baros, looked like a world class striker but he quickly declined.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on August 11, 2018, 07:47:39 PM
Very promising, I felt like we were going to score every time he shaped up to cross it in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2018, 07:55:32 PM
Reminded me of Steve McMahon a bit

Steve McMahon was one of my favourite Villa players in his couple of years with us when I was a kid. A few years later I was engaged to a girl who's younger brother was a youngster at Swindon and met McMahon, who was Swindon manager at the time at an end of season awards presentation. He was a right miserable c**t.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Colhint on August 11, 2018, 08:12:41 PM
I'm just excited our central midfield will be Xacki and McGinniesta
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: leylandalbion on August 11, 2018, 08:20:58 PM
My 3 lads all said they want his name on their shirts...when we can buy one...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on August 11, 2018, 08:26:05 PM
Right up there with some of the best home debuts I've seen.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2018, 08:30:15 PM
I like him. I really like him!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jcsutv on August 11, 2018, 08:35:31 PM
Quality left foot. Harried chased and linked up well with Jack. Great debut.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2018, 08:36:22 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.

Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.

Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.

My point remains though. Two entirely different types of player. We need to find someone to replace those goals as we can’t keep relying on defenders, defensive midfielders and own goals. I’m not saying at all I’d prefer Hourihane over McGinn. The opposite on the evidence of today. I’m just saying it’s great we have both but if McGinn plays more he has chip in too and as he did today create for others.

He had that absolute blast of a shot from about 30 yards in the first half, that had it been a few inches to the right would have flown past the keeper and into the net.  I think this lad will chip in with his fair share.

I hope so Risso. He’s not afraid to have a go at players or shoot which I absolutely love.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 11, 2018, 08:39:56 PM
How good was McGinn? Every set piece was dangerous. I was excited by his signing and he delivered big time. Man of the match for me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2018, 08:40:56 PM
Just wait until he settles in properly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2018, 08:51:31 PM
Hopefully he keeps that work rate going.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 11, 2018, 09:18:12 PM
Reminded me of Steve McMahon a bit

Steve McMahon was one of my favourite Villa players in his couple of years with us when I was a kid. A few years later I was engaged to a girl who's younger brother was a youngster at Swindon and met McMahon, who was Swindon manager at the time at an end of season awards presentation. He was a right miserable c**t.

Mine too. I remember him being sent off at Anfield after Souness did him.
Shame about when you met him....I'm going to pretend that never happened !

Edit : maybe it was just being Swindon manager ....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 11, 2018, 09:34:16 PM
Looked very comfortable on the ball 👍
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 11, 2018, 09:42:35 PM
He was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 09:47:40 PM
He was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.

Who looks like Alpay?! Our new skinny, white as a sheet 5 foot nothing midfielder?!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 11, 2018, 09:50:43 PM
He was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.

Who looks like Alpay?! Our new skinny, white as a sheet 5 foot nothing midfielder?!
Should have gone to Specsavers
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 11, 2018, 09:54:34 PM
He was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.

Who looks like Alpay?! Our new skinny, white as a sheet 5 foot nothing midfielder?!
Should have gone to Specsavers

Just the shoulders and shortish dark hair reminded me of Alpay.  Obviously facially they very different.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on August 11, 2018, 09:58:45 PM
Good home debut and it looks like he’s very much on the same wavelength as Jack. Reminded me more like Milner all those years ago...definitely not Alpay!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on August 11, 2018, 10:00:44 PM
I thought he looked like a distant Scottish Gardner brother but with talent.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 11, 2018, 10:23:00 PM
If that fat ****** Wyness hadn’t fucked everything up it could’ve been Sunshine on Keith.

I love Villa, I really like Hibs, McGinn is wonderful. I didn’t see it because I’m in Turkish Cyprus with no wi-fi. I know how to holiday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 11, 2018, 10:33:39 PM
This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone,  Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2018, 11:06:57 PM
Great set pieces, plus a gorgeous cross for Kodjia (who completely muffed it) just before Wigan's second.

He also put in a superb whipped low cross in the first half but surprise, surprise nobody was there (Hogan would love him).
This guy is going to be awesome, premier quality already, absolutely superb debut!
Hope Hibs have a sell on clause because he will eventually go for big money!

Sounds defeatist. We have to build the team around him and Jack. These new owners are not here to mess around. We're talking Man City type wealth...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 11, 2018, 11:11:26 PM
This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone,  Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner
He reminds me of Gary Thompson.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
If that fat c*** Wyness hadn’t fucked everything up it could’ve been Sunshine on Keith.

I love Villa, I really like Hibs, McGinn is wonderful. I didn’t see it because I’m in Turkish Cyprus with no wi-fi. I know how to holiday.
Don’t knock cheap😊
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 11, 2018, 11:45:52 PM
If that fat c*** Wyness hadn’t fucked everything up it could’ve been Sunshine on Keith.

I love Villa, I really like Hibs, McGinn is wonderful. I didn’t see it because I’m in Turkish Cyprus with no wi-fi. I know how to holiday.
Don’t knock cheap😊

FUCKING cheap!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2018, 11:51:08 PM
This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone,  Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner

I'm bracing myself for the mention of a player I was too young to, er, appreciate - Bernie Gallacccher.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mcgrath_85 on August 12, 2018, 12:12:04 AM
His work rate and tenacity were a joy to behold. Clearly he’s very handy with the ball too.
What a bargain if that continues! We haven’t had many of them!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2018, 01:30:38 AM
I wasn't quite as impressed as some on here, but it was his first game after only signing a couple of days ago.  One thing that I thought was impressive was his delivery into the box from both open play and set pieces.  Needs to be given time to settle in and there were definitely signs of encouragement, but I don't think we should be getting too carried away at this point.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2018, 01:43:39 AM
I'm not getting too carried away, he was good though. Very much like a young Pele.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on August 12, 2018, 01:49:46 AM
I'm not getting too carried away, he was good though. Very much like a young Pele.

Woah, let's not get too ahead of ourselves.. he appears to be Scholes at best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 12, 2018, 02:47:31 AM
This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone,  Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner
He reminds me of Gary Thompson.

A Chinese Ian Ormondroyd was my first thought.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on August 12, 2018, 03:34:19 AM
This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone,  Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner
all pretty decent players on that list - Westwood a bit lightweight though...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave P on August 12, 2018, 07:05:39 AM
I’m not getting carried away, but the “better than Zidane” songs were correct and he will win us the league, League Cup, FA Cup, Super Bowl, the Vitality Blast and the Cheltenham Gold Cup!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2018, 07:18:02 AM
If he is to win the Cheltenham Gold Cup for us we had better get him gelded.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 12, 2018, 10:38:56 AM
McGinty looks superb and the left foot and dynamics of his play really encouraging. Would like to see even more highlights of him and so glad to have such a good signing and a value one at that.

Yes it's not my money but there is satisfaction in getting value for money after the McCormick debacle! Hogan jurys half out but the point of not spending big and getting a performer .

Lansbury hasn't proved that hourihane for value for goals has been well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: thick_mike on August 12, 2018, 10:48:42 AM
He did a few things that I hadn’t seen very often from our midfielders in years, eg. Passing and moving to receive a return pass, playing a pass to a forward making a run off the defender’s shoulder, making a run into the box from open play, dynamic running with and without the ball and chasing back and harrying an opposition player leaving them with a mouthful of turf.

All positive signs. I think he could form a great partnership with Grealish, but they will have to work out how it’s going to work between them. It will give the opposition a headache if they have to try to mark two creative midfielders out of the game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hibby Villa on August 12, 2018, 11:11:32 AM
Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.

Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.

Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!

Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: thick_mike on August 12, 2018, 11:41:31 AM
Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.

Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.

Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!

Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.

EFL highlights are on Quest TV on freeview (ch37 I think).

Highlights are linked on this board under match highlights thread.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2018, 02:58:24 PM
There's also a Quest OD site

https://www.questod.co.uk/show/efl-on-quest
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 12, 2018, 03:34:17 PM


MOTM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 12, 2018, 07:56:49 PM
Best debut I have witnessed in years, agree there seems an understanding with Jack already and has the potential to be a very very good player. What a terrific buy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hibby Villa on August 12, 2018, 08:10:39 PM
Thanks for the information about highlights. Will look out for that in future.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on August 12, 2018, 09:19:54 PM
Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.

Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.

Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!

Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.

Hugely impressed. When we got the free kick, i mentioned it was the sort of area we would miss Snodgrass' delivery. I said "let's see what sort of left foot he has" - and got a great answer!!

Love him chasing and harrying back if he's lost the ball and that crunching tackle down by the corner of the Holte.

Add to the list of very impressive Villa debuts. Mind you, Carlton Cole played well in his first game....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Gary Penrice on August 12, 2018, 09:53:56 PM
One of the best debuts I've had the pleasure of witnessing. We will make a very healthy profit in the future! The fact he chose Villa over C*ltic is also a bonus!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jcsutv on August 12, 2018, 10:01:23 PM
Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.

Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.

Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!

Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.

Hugely impressed. When we got the free kick, i mentioned it was the sort of area we would miss Snodgrass' delivery. I said "let's see what sort of left foot he has" - and got a great answer!!

Love him chasing and harrying back if he's lost the ball and that crunching tackle down by the corner of the Holte.

Add to the list of very impressive Villa debuts. Mind you, Carlton Cole played well in his first game....

Agree with that. I said to my Dad he looked like an upgrade to Snoddy. I love  Snoddy and his left foot too. Would like them in the same team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on August 12, 2018, 10:09:11 PM
Have we finished with the fucking Hibee love in yet. As one of I think a rare few Hearts fans on here I think I’ve got some sick in my mouth.

Anyway can I welcome McGinn and was very impressed with his debut, more to come I think and good set piece and crossing ability.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 12, 2018, 10:10:27 PM
Have we finished with the fucking Hibee love in yet. As one of I think a rare few Hearts fans on here I think I’ve got some sick in my mouth.

Anyway can I welcome McGinn and was very impressed with his debut, more to come I think and good set piece and crossing ability.

I like Hearts too
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 12, 2018, 10:14:28 PM
I don't mind them, but not sure why we have chosen to play in their shirts this season. Hibs are a great bunch of lads, though, for their ability to get under the skin of the Ibrox Undead.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on August 12, 2018, 10:16:00 PM
I don't mind them, but not sure why we have chosen to play in their shirts this season. Hibs are a great bunch of lads, though, for their ability to get under the skin of the Ibrox Undead.

Anything that gets under the skin of the weegies of either persuasion is a good thing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 12, 2018, 11:36:42 PM
Erm, excuse me. I think the thread is wrongly titled, isn't his first name Super? Mods, please.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on August 13, 2018, 11:10:20 AM
I don't mind them, but not sure why we have chosen to play in their shirts this season. Hibs are a great bunch of lads, though, for their ability to get under the skin of the Ibrox Undead.

Anything that gets under the skin of the weegies of either persuasion is a good thing.
I assume you are overlooking the mighty Maryhill Magyars on purpose so as not to tar with the same brush.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kipeye on August 13, 2018, 11:22:42 AM
One of the best debuts I've had the pleasure of witnessing. We will make a very healthy profit in the future! The fact he chose Villa over C*ltic is also a bonus!
What- you sold him already? Grab a prawn sandwich and celebrate the investment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 13, 2018, 11:46:45 AM
That was some debut for sure. Skill, work rate, passing and shooting throughout the whole game. I’m more excited about how his and Grealish’s inter play develops. There were sighs there on Saturday that it could become something special.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on August 13, 2018, 11:57:47 AM
I was very impressed with SJM very good debut loved what I saw and I met him before the game really nice chap I like Hibs we have had brilliant players off them down the years so got a soft spot for them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2018, 12:08:04 PM
I'm glad he put in a performance like that, it backs up my thinking that him in a 3 with 2 from Hourihane, Thor, Doyle-Hayes, Lyden or Clarke could work and we wouldn't need a specific defensive midfielder. Then Grealish can have a fairly free role in front of them and not have to worry so much about  coming deep to get the ball.  We'd lose width but given Kodjia, Green and Adomah all naturally drift wide and woulld be the main options up front they'd give us a lot of the width we're losing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on August 13, 2018, 01:09:07 PM
Hopefully there's a Villa legend in the McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hipkiss92 on August 13, 2018, 01:15:57 PM
I'm glad he put in a performance like that, it backs up my thinking that him in a 3 with 2 from Hourihane, Thor, Doyle-Hayes, Lyden or Clarke could work and we wouldn't need a specific defensive midfielder. Then Grealish can have a fairly free role in front of them and not have to worry so much about  coming deep to get the ball.  We'd lose width but given Kodjia, Green and Adomah all naturally drift wide and woulld be the main options up front they'd give us a lot of the width we're losing.

I was thinking on Saturday we could be more effective pulling Kodjia wide, then playing Jack as a False 9 with as few defensive responsibilities as possible. Would also allow McGinn and Hourihane to bomb on with BB sitting deeper. Green then provides the width on the opposite wing.

Doubt Bruceiola would go for it mind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Gary Penrice on August 13, 2018, 01:24:01 PM
One of the best debuts I've had the pleasure of witnessing. We will make a very healthy profit in the future! The fact he chose Villa over C*ltic is also a bonus!
What- you sold him already? Grab a prawn sandwich and celebrate the investment.

Don't sell prawn sandwiches in the lower Holte! Although it's something the catering dept. should look at!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2018, 01:39:07 PM
I'm glad he put in a performance like that, it backs up my thinking that him in a 3 with 2 from Hourihane, Thor, Doyle-Hayes, Lyden or Clarke could work and we wouldn't need a specific defensive midfielder. Then Grealish can have a fairly free role in front of them and not have to worry so much about  coming deep to get the ball.  We'd lose width but given Kodjia, Green and Adomah all naturally drift wide and woulld be the main options up front they'd give us a lot of the width we're losing.

I was thinking on Saturday we could be more effective pulling Kodjia wide, then playing Jack as a False 9 with as few defensive responsibilities as possible. Would also allow McGinn and Hourihane to bomb on with BB sitting deeper. Green then provides the width on the opposite wing.

Doubt Bruceiola would go for it mind.

That's exactly how I'd set the team up right now. Give Kodjia and Green licence to cut in as much as they want but to start from wider. None of our strikers (other than Davis when he's fit) are going to dominate a centre back and be that traditional target man so instead we'll look to put them in through the channels and test the defence with their mobility instead of their strength.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).

I don't think it would work Mal.  Leith is Leith.  We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.


We could have a summer and a winter song. A Scorcher In Aston and Wet In Witton. Or maybe even Pissing Down In Perry Barr.

Our anthem should, undoubtedly, be Summer In Summer Lane.

Now if you’ve friends from the country for a day or two,
Take them round the town all the sights to view.
First in Cutler’s for a drink you’ll call, you show
Them the fountain and the Old Town Hall.
Then along Colmore Row, the car you can catch,
To see the Water Melons on the old Black Patch.
But there’s one sight you must not miss.
Before your friends say goodbye, just mention this.

You ought to see the palm trees swaying way down Summer Lane.
Every Saturday night there’s a jubilation
Hear the Birdies singing in The Salutation
Though there’s no snow in Snow Hill,
You’ve no cause to take the train.
To your southern home where the weather is warm
It’s always summer in Summer Lane

Now you keep on sighing for your Dad and Mam
Your Mason Dixie Line and your alabam.
You say you’ve heard your Tennesse call,
Yet you never saw Tennesse at all.
And your songs from Mandy Land have been done Brown
So let’s have a song about your home town.

You ought to see the palm trees swaying way down Summer Lane.
Every Saturday night there’s a jubilation
Hear the Birdies singing in The Salutation
Though there’s no snow in Snow Hill,
You’ve no cause to take the train.
To your southern home where the weather is warm
It’s always summer in Summer Lane

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 13, 2018, 05:15:22 PM
Only just caught the highlights, but he looked absolutely top drawer. He runs, he tackles, he passes, he wants the ball... and at last we have a player with real quality at set pieces.

Early days, but he seems like a great signing, and for sensible money too. Credit to whoever scouted him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 13, 2018, 05:35:01 PM
I see "a reported fee of £2.75m"

Aston Villa: John McGinn and Steve Bruce 'a match made in heaven' - Alan Stubbs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45151338

Do we know the fee for sure?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 13, 2018, 06:07:13 PM
I see "a reported fee of £2.75m"

Aston Villa: John McGinn and Steve Bruce 'a match made in heaven' - Alan Stubbs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45151338

Do we know the fee for sure?

2.5m was what I heard. Regardless, he looks cheap at twice the the price.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wozwebs on August 13, 2018, 11:12:09 PM
If you weren’t sold on SJM yet then this interview will convince you:

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/exclusive-former-hibs-star-and-celtic-target-john-mcginn-on-choosing-move-to-aston-villa/

Quote
SCOTLAND legends Gordon Strachan, Joe Jordan and Gordon McQueen all gave John McGinn their seal of approval when Aston Villa asked for an opinion on his ability.

Manager Steve Bruce – a former team-mate of Strachan at Manchester United and McGinn’s previous Scotland boss – and his coaches made exhaustive checks on the talented midfielder.

The feedback convinced them to push the boat out to sign him from Hibs in a £3m deal, beating off fierce competition from Celtic to do so.

Everyone Villa turned to told the English Championship club that they would be signing an excellent player, one who could help the club win promotion.

When the deal had been done, Brendan Rodgers remained fulsome in his praise of McGinn, but was clearly disappointed to have missed out on one of his major signing targets.

For his own part, McGinn is delighted to be part of such an ambitious club, and is excited – and humbled – to be following in the footsteps of one of his heroes, Stan Petrov, by joining the Midlands outfit.

In an exclusive interview, McGinn told The Sunday Post: “It’s very flattering if people with such standing in the game have said such nice things about me. It’s very kind of them.

“This an exciting challenge and it has always been an ambition of mine to play in English football.

“Looking on from afar, I always had an idea Aston Villa were a big club.

“But now realise I misjudged it – they are a massive club.

“The training ground is out of this world, and the stadium has that old-fashioned feel about it, a proper, traditional stadium.

“I want to do my bit to see it bouncing every week as we all pull together to help the club win promotion this season.

“The Villa fans have a brilliant reputation, and it’s going to be my privilege to play in front of them for the next few years.

“I feel tremendous pride to be here.

“I’m also following in the footsteps of guys such as Stiliyan Petrov.

“He was one of my favourite players at Celtic, and he enjoyed many successful years at Villa, as well as captaining the club.

“Stiliyan made an exceptional impact here – on and off the pitch – and I can only try to live up to the high standards set by him and others.

“There is also a strong Scottish connection, from Alan Hutton in the team to Colin Calderwood on the coaching staff.

“The Scotland manager, Alex McLeish, used to be the manager here, and Eric Black, Steve Clarke and Gary McAllister have all coached here in the past few seasons.

“Paul Lambert was also the manager.

“Going even further back, my dad tells me there was a Scottish influence when Aston Villa won the European Cup in 1982 when they beat Bayern Munich, and guys such as Allan Evans, Ken McNaught and Des Bremner were in the team.

“So I feel proud to be here and to be a part of such a special club.

“The onus is now on everyone here at the current time to create our own history, and try to get us back into the Premier League.

“We have an excellent manager in Steve Bruce and he has brilliant guys beside him. We are geared up to give it a right go.

“However, we are well aware that there are some top sides in this division, and there will always be a fancy from the neutrals for the newly-relegated clubs such as Swansea, Stoke and West Brom to be heavily involved when it comes to the business end of the campaign.

“You can then add in other clubs such as Middlesbrough, Derby County, Leeds United, Nottingham Forest and a few more.

“So we can all see just how tough a challenge faces us all. But I’m up for it. I love this kind of stuff. I’m ready for it.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 14, 2018, 12:09:45 AM
Good lad. And fair play to his dad for his educational output. 😊
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2018, 01:07:28 AM
Blimey, a footballer with a brain, respect and insight. Is there anything this lad is crap at?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 14, 2018, 08:50:11 AM
What a great interview.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 14, 2018, 09:02:12 AM
Blimey, a footballer with a brain, respect and insight. Is there anything this lad is crap at?
As he's from Scotland - probably sunbathing
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Diablo on August 14, 2018, 10:10:58 AM
Blimey, a footballer with a brain, respect and insight. Is there anything this lad is crap at?
As he's from Scotland - probably sunbathing
Hahaha!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rodders on August 14, 2018, 11:40:18 AM
I'm just excited our central midfield will be Xacki and McGinniesta

My 13 year - who has put up with so much over his lifetime of being like Dad and supporting Villa - has just ordered his new shirt with McGiniesta 7 on the back. Thanks Colhint :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 14, 2018, 12:23:32 PM
Good lad. And fair play to his dad for his educational output. 😊

Absolutely.

Someone needs to show him the McGregor statue as well if he wants to learn about a bit more Scottish heritage around the club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on August 14, 2018, 12:26:51 PM
Seems like it could be a really good signing on the evidence so far. I’m interested that he picked us over Celtic- he clearly would’ve been made very welcome there also. Maybe he is seeing the bigger picture and what could be if we go up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Damo70 on August 14, 2018, 03:00:29 PM
They are about to broadcast a recording of his dressing room initiation song performance on Talksport.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Damo70 on August 14, 2018, 03:08:19 PM
'A Little Respect' by Erasure. I would give him seven out of ten generally (until he tried to hit the high note at the end).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 18, 2018, 06:26:03 PM
Has made a very good start

I wonder if we can get hourihane in the team alongside him. I don't love Conor but he does have a goal threat.

Maybe we could play three in a midfield, but I wouldn't try it against Brentford. Could McGinn play wide? He does seem to have a good delivery.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 18, 2018, 10:09:13 PM
2 games, 2 assists.

This is my main gripe with Grealish - for all his obvious comfort on the ball he rarely makes a contribution that changes a game. This fella on the other hand has come in and immediately started creating goals.

Long may it continue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on August 18, 2018, 10:13:35 PM
i'd like us to loan a more mobile and better version of a Jedinak to play behind Grealish and McGinn.  Despite our unbeaten run, we are not dominating games as we are a bit soft through the middle, also need a striker to hole the ball up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2018, 12:20:43 AM
2 games, 2 assists.

This is my main gripe with Grealish - for all his obvious comfort on the ball he rarely makes a contribution that changes a game. This fella on the other hand has come in and immediately started creating goals.

Long may it continue.

Harsh on Grealish, he made one in the first game with a great corner, he played a fantastic pass for the goal in the week and even when he's not directly involved in a move he's got 2 men fairly near him almost all the time because teams are terrified of giving him space.  Who gets the assist or plays the key pass doesn't matter so long as the midfield is creating chances.  Take away set pieces and, right now, we're not creating anything like as many as we should with the players we have.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 19, 2018, 06:29:51 AM
Grealish does need to improve his productivity though

I haven't seen it but apparently there was a chance today where rather than shoot he took a number of touches and the chance went

He needs to have more of a killer instinct
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2018, 07:31:50 AM
Grealish needs create and score more for chances to open up for others around him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2018, 07:41:59 AM
He should have scored to be honest. He only needed to pull the trigger, but kept faking and pulling wider across the penalty box. He was only 10 yards out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2018, 11:11:54 AM
He should have scored to be honest. He only needed to pull the trigger, but kept faking and pulling wider across the penalty box. He was only 10 yards out.

That’s the frustrating bit right now about Jack. He needs to be more ruthless and decisive in the final third.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2018, 02:24:22 PM
Grealish needs create and score more for chances to open up for others around him.

It's difficult to do so when you're hacked to the ground every time you get the ball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 19, 2018, 04:06:43 PM
Grealish needs create and score more for chances to open up for others around him.

It's difficult to do so when you're hacked to the ground every time you get the ball.

He's always been like that though, even before he'd been declared the next Messi.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2018, 04:12:26 PM
Nobody has declared him the next Messi. And he's always been like what? Kicked?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PGW on August 19, 2018, 04:16:33 PM
Nobody has declared him the next Messi. And he's always been like what? Kicked?
Not Messi but Iniesta
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 19, 2018, 04:17:10 PM
Shot shy, generally preferring to look for the foul rather than taking the shot on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: guyavfc on August 19, 2018, 08:33:11 PM
He's better than Zidane.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villan from luton on August 19, 2018, 08:47:31 PM
Shot shy, generally preferring to look for the foul rather than taking the shot on.

Have you seen some of the goals he scored for Hibs????
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villan from luton on August 19, 2018, 08:48:39 PM
Oh feck, you were on about Jack lol
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: thick_mike on August 19, 2018, 08:49:18 PM
Shot shy, generally preferring to look for the foul rather than taking the shot on.

Have you seen some of the goals he scored for Hibs????

I think the quote was about Grealish rather than McGinn (but I might be wrong)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2018, 08:50:03 PM
You're not "looking for the foul" if you're cynically hacked to the floor. Total nonsense.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2018, 09:19:05 PM
Grealish is constantly hacked down. I don't understand what other fans moan about when their cloggers lamp him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on August 21, 2018, 03:29:46 PM
Oh feck, you were on about Jack lol

Of course they are.
Who did you expect them to be discussing in the John McGinn thread?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Damo70 on August 21, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
Each game he has played for us so far he has been picked out by the press and other media for praise. I know it is still early days obviously.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on August 22, 2018, 08:48:30 PM
He is fucking steal.  Best signing we've made in a decade.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 08:49:20 PM
He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on August 22, 2018, 08:51:14 PM
Can we start calling him Des?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: thick_mike on August 22, 2018, 09:16:10 PM
I love SJM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 22, 2018, 09:52:34 PM
He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.

Tonight's ref was diabolical. I could see that stamp on the half way line from the Holte End but that prick Moss couldn't see it from 20 yards away.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 22, 2018, 09:53:04 PM
Love this guy
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: manic-road on August 22, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
Love this guy

Yes fantastic tonight
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2018, 09:59:19 PM
What a player. Absolutely love the lad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 22, 2018, 10:00:17 PM
Yep, has quality on the ball, great vision, gets stuck in too, what a find.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on August 22, 2018, 10:04:42 PM
He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.

Tonight's ref was diabolical. I could see that stamp on the half way line from the Holte End but that prick Moss couldn't see it from 20 yards away.

Lino missed it as well from about 15 yards away
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2018, 10:06:01 PM
Looks an absolute steal so far. Very impressed with him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on August 22, 2018, 10:25:21 PM
First I’ve seen of him, great energy and attitude. Didn’t think his set pieces were anything special and thought he had a tendancity to hit it long too often.

Better than Houlihane and a good signing by the look of it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2018, 10:37:27 PM
Absolutely superb way he plays , closes down and knows how to play midfield

 His delivery is effortless  as he some sort of Griezmann or Silva .

Really the main man of midfield and lol iked how whelan worked with him

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: manic-road on August 22, 2018, 10:39:09 PM
He may not score as many goals as Connor but we look a far better balanced team with him in midfield.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2018, 10:50:13 PM
He may not score as many goals as Connor but we look a far better balanced team with him in midfield.

He doesn't pass back as much as Connor
They don't have to wonder where he is
He can tackle and press far better

I like this upgrade !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 22, 2018, 10:53:52 PM
First live viewing, pretty impressed.

A real tigerish presence in midfield and good quality on the ball.

Way he's been so far is what I thought we were getting when we signed Hourihane.

Fancy him to score on Saturday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 22, 2018, 11:03:42 PM
First live viewing, pretty impressed.

A real tigerish presence in midfield and good quality on the ball.

Way he's been so far is what I thought we were getting when we signed Hourihane.

Fancy him to score on Saturday.

My second viewing of him and he understandably looked a bit. sharper than he did against Wigan.  Thought he tired a bit towards the end, but had a good game and his set pieces are a real threat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 23, 2018, 10:54:56 AM
He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.

Tonight's ref was diabolical. I could see that stamp on the half way line from the Holte End but that prick Moss couldn't see it from 20 yards away.

Lino missed it as well from about 15 yards away

Dean Smith seems to be defending it...

Quote from: Dean Smith
If you remember the incident, Mile Jedinak fell over, got up and then smashed Neal in the back of the head so, if they are looking at retrospective for Neal, then we'll do so for Jedinak.

Prick.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 23, 2018, 10:56:12 AM
Fair play to Smith. He's obviously a Villa supporter, trying to get Jedinak suspended.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2018, 12:02:06 PM
*Like*
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 23, 2018, 07:24:50 PM
Fantastic player, what a steal, thanks Hibs......again!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on August 23, 2018, 07:34:17 PM
I wonder if that game and Smith's defence of the indefensible marks the point at which Smith ceased to be a contender for the Villa job.  Defending his own player can be seen as loyalty.  Attacking a Villa player tit for tat smacks of narkiness, a side of Smith not widely known.  Did not do his career prospects much good I suspect.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2018, 07:55:00 PM
You could be right Brian. Not sure the niggly nasty side of their approach will have done much either.

I don't think he'll ever manage us, not unless he goes somewhere bigger than Brentford on the way.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 23, 2018, 08:25:59 PM
The only questions I have is how did we get him for a such cheap price and why were no other English teams in for him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 23, 2018, 10:26:52 PM
The only questions I have is how did we get him for a such cheap price and why were no other English teams in for him.

Into the last year of his contract....an absolute steal for us!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 23, 2018, 11:12:12 PM
I wonder if that game and Smith's defence of the indefensible marks the point at which Smith ceased to be a contender for the Villa job.  Defending his own player can be seen as loyalty.  Attacking a Villa player tit for tat smacks of narkiness, a side of Smith not widely known.  Did not do his career prospects much good I suspect.

Dean Smith is employed by Brentford, to manage the interests of Brentford. He'll do that by all legal means necessary, and if doing so means having a go back at an opposition players, so be it. We regularly bemoan the fact that the Villa are too nice in certain matters, and I don't imagine for one second that when we're looking for a new manager the fact that he had a go at one of our players will count against him any more that Steve Bruce dancing on the pitch when his collection of rogues, vagabonds and ne'erdowells salvaged a point against us counted against him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Small Rodent on August 23, 2018, 11:32:46 PM
The only questions I have is how did we get him for a such cheap price and why were no other English teams in for him.

I was best man at a wedding in the Highlands two weeks ago...north of Inverness!! The football followers of every stripe were saying what a steal he is. Many liked him enough to start following what he does at Villa.

Most importantly, the Celtic fans were pleased they lost out on him...think about that. They were pleased because a) he's an excellent Scottish prospect who deserves better than sitting on Celtic's bench
and b) it highlights their club's shitty transfer dealings trying to get the best youngsters on the cheap which leads to a) again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 23, 2018, 11:56:43 PM
Fair play to Smith. He's obviously a Villa supporter, trying to get Jedinak suspended.

He also knew we're shit against 10 men.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on August 24, 2018, 06:40:40 AM
Fuck Dean Smith and his team of cynical cloggers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on August 24, 2018, 07:13:31 AM
The gripe by Smith about the retrospective banning of one of his players came across to me - and this is a forum for personal views - as unnecessarily combative.  Plus I do not subscribe to the "our player right or wrong" philosophy in the game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nev on August 24, 2018, 07:36:17 AM
The gripe by Smith about the retrospective banning of one of his players came across to me - and this is a forum for personal views - as unnecessarily combative.  Plus I do not subscribe to the "our player right or wrong" philosophy in the game.

Heat of the moment post match reaction to losing two points at the death. On reflection it looks like he saw sense and swallowed the punishment with no come back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 24, 2018, 08:16:17 AM
When we looked at our best last season, with our best 11, you always just felt we were a tiny bit short of being a top 2/promoted through the play offs team. That shortage came in the form of Kodjia being injured and his stand ins just looking a bit inferior and the other shortage was having Hourahane in that best starting 11, a good player on his day in this league but not consistent enough. McGinn appears to be the upgrade we needed and Kodjia is now back and appears to be firing again.
The problem we now have is that we haven't replaced Terry and the GK replacement for Johnstone might be good enough, might not, we'll see.
It also looks like Bolassie will be the alternative for Snodgrass which will be another one we'll have to hope works out but time will tell.
Whilst I'm delighted with the new owners coming in it's a shame it wasn't a month or so earlier in terms of our chances this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on September 07, 2018, 06:54:38 PM
Scotland V Belgium. 745pm
Jon Mcginn number 7 for villa and Scotland .
I hope he's not playing with this injury Bruce was going on about.
Think he'll put up a decent showing tonight as he's all action.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on September 08, 2018, 05:31:25 AM
Scotland V Belgium. 745pm
Jon Mcginn number 7 for villa and Scotland .
I hope he's not playing with this injury Bruce was going on about.
Think he'll put up a decent showing tonight as he's all action.
He’s caught the Villa disease by all accounts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 08, 2018, 06:38:48 AM
“If you were a Belgian, it was pretty and what you would have expected from your boys. If you were a Scot it was painful, an evisceration of McLeish's notion that his team were good enough to go "toe-to-toe" with the third best team in the world. Delusional.

Just before the half-hour, Belgium got their first. Craig Gordon unwisely rolled the ball out to McGinn, who was facing his own goal and unaware of the danger he was in. His first touch was a total Captain and allowed Mousa Dembele to ransack him and feed Thorgan Hazard, who calmly rolled it across for Lukaku to score his 41st international goal.”

Always good too see Scotland get a pasting, not so good when our bright hope has a mare.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 08, 2018, 03:14:28 PM
Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!

https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JD on September 09, 2018, 06:58:39 AM
Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!

https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392

All I read is a bitter and twisted fenian :). They're just upset because McGinn chose a superior team to sign for.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 09, 2018, 12:38:33 PM
I just hope we don't coach the quality out of this kid, typical Villa stylee.  He could be a fantastic player but we need a settled starting eleven and players playing in their right formation. Get Jedinak in behind McGinn and Jack and let them play further forward.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave on September 09, 2018, 01:03:52 PM
Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!

https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392

All I read is a bitter and twisted fenian :).

I'm pretty sure you could have chosen your words a bit more carefully there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2018, 01:24:36 PM
That's what three weeks of Steve Bruce inspired coaching does for you.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JD on September 10, 2018, 09:03:36 AM
Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!

https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392

All I read is a bitter and twisted fenian :).

I'm pretty sure you could have chosen your words a bit more carefully there.

Sorry Dave, it was a joke (ok a bad joke) hence the smiley face.

No offence meant to anyone on here.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GarTomas on September 10, 2018, 08:05:53 PM
Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard E on September 10, 2018, 08:07:03 PM
Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.

Even I'd look world class against Albania.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on September 10, 2018, 08:10:45 PM
Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.

Even I'd look world class against Albania.

No easy games these days - just give the guy some praise!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 10, 2018, 08:16:04 PM
Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.

Even I'd look world class against Albania.

In overall footballing terms I'd say Scotland and Albania are pretty evenly matched.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jwarry on September 22, 2018, 05:54:29 PM
Take a bow son
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2018, 05:55:26 PM
McGinn goal (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11505514/mcginn-scores-wonder-goal)

McGinn goal as well https://twitter.com/WittonRoad/status/1043519792089587714
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 22, 2018, 06:12:36 PM
The technique on that goal was superb!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 22, 2018, 06:21:45 PM
He's half way to the Trinity celebrating before it goes in! Imagine how good he might be with a proper manager rather than the two dinosaurs in charge of him at the minute.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 22, 2018, 06:24:38 PM
A fantastic goal. The only time I left the comfort of my sofa, and the only time I said anything remotely positive all match.

The bright point on a crap day for us, was McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: levico on September 22, 2018, 06:25:56 PM
I’ve seen better team goals but as an individual effort I think this has to be the best I’ve ever seen at VP by a Villa player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 22, 2018, 06:29:20 PM
Must wonder why bother
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on September 22, 2018, 07:11:02 PM
That looked like the best goal in England for this season if David Silva or Pogba scored that they wouldn't shut up.
Brilliant brilliant goal and really thought go on to win but alas.

Anyway super volley
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 22, 2018, 07:40:18 PM
A true wonder goal !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on September 22, 2018, 07:40:42 PM
McGinn goal (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11505514/mcginn-scores-wonder-goal)

McGinn goal as well https://twitter.com/WittonRoad/status/1043519792089587714

Kind of Sky to add
“John McGinn scored a superb equaliser in Aston Villa's 1-1 draw with Sheffield Wednesday at Villa Park.”

Perhaps they also agree it was good enough for the ref to blow up for the final whistle at that point, or retrospectively scratch off one of their goals, as that one was clearly worth two of theirs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: thick_mike on September 22, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better shot at villa Park. That’s the best strike in 46 years in my opinion.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on September 22, 2018, 08:45:11 PM
An absolute worldie from JM today.

...and thanks for running the midfield on your own too. Great job.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: nigel on September 22, 2018, 08:53:23 PM
Might as well close Goal of the Season now. Can't see anyone bettering that
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on September 22, 2018, 09:13:05 PM
Best goal we've scored for a decade?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2018, 09:15:41 PM
Still this one for me

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2429073/Lowton_Goal_1.gif)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on September 22, 2018, 09:20:43 PM
I always get annoyed when people suggest that players are definitely leaving the club. I cling to the idea that villa are big enough to keep their best players. However, even I think this time McGinn will only be with us for one season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 22, 2018, 09:21:17 PM
That Lowton goal was an absolute beauty but any goal that goes in off the bar gets extra marks.  And if it then bounces back up and hits the roof on the net you're into dreamland.  Add in a goalie who gets back up and still thinks he can save it, oblivious to the fact the goalscorer's already wheeling away in celebration and, well, I reckon the only goal I've seen at VP better was Scholes' rocket against us direct from the corner.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on September 22, 2018, 09:31:41 PM
I'd shamefully forgotten about Lowtons.

While McGinns is still fresh though that was sublime, it should of realistically ended up deep in the Holte. Ashame it was just a consolation goal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2018, 10:00:31 PM
Lowton wins it for a few reasons. It was my first away game in yonks, the terrace mental when it went in, the importance of it, the fact it was a defender hitting that even with 2 players closing him down.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on September 23, 2018, 09:15:12 AM
It’s reminiscent of Paul Scoles’ up the other end a few years back, simply brilliant technique and power.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2018, 09:54:19 AM
I could watch that goal all day.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on September 23, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Just a shame that it didn’t count for anything.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2018, 11:51:12 AM
Lowton wins it for a few reasons. It was my first away game in yonks, the terrace mental when it went in, the importance of it, the fact it was a defender hitting that even with 2 players closing him down.

Outweighed by personal sentiment in that case. Yesterday the goal ended up meaning nothing but as most have said for a one-off shot it was beautifully, perfectly placed. The in off the underside of the bar also adds extra drama - demonstrated finely by Tony Yeboah twice in quick succession at the beginning of the 1995/96 season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 23, 2018, 03:02:29 PM
All those are reasons why it's better, so even without personal sentiment, it's still better imo. Both are fantastic though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard E on September 23, 2018, 03:06:07 PM
Just a shame that it didn’t count for anything.

If we stay up on goal difference it will.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 23, 2018, 03:51:14 PM
Lowton because it was just stupendous skill from a FB in the Premier League. But in both cases the technique is simply outstanding. Both goals get better and better every time you watch them. Shame there isn’t a video of the Lowton goal from directly behind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 23, 2018, 03:54:08 PM
I always get annoyed when people suggest that players are definitely leaving the club. I cling to the idea that villa are big enough to keep their best players. However, even I think this time McGinn will only be with us for one season.
Did you see the game yesterday? It was a great goal but otherwise McGinn was absolutely awful.  I wouldn't be too worried about him moving on to greater things just yet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 23, 2018, 04:01:27 PM
Lowton because it was just stupendous skill from a FB in the Premier League. But in both cases the technique is simply outstanding. Both goals get better and better every time you watch them. Shame there isn’t a video of the Lowton goal from directly behind.

Not completely behind him sadly

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LimpingChillyBlacklemur-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 23, 2018, 04:06:17 PM
Both magnificent goals Mr Shin
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 23, 2018, 04:19:30 PM
I always get annoyed when people suggest that players are definitely leaving the club. I cling to the idea that villa are big enough to keep their best players. However, even I think this time McGinn will only be with us for one season.
Did you see the game yesterday? It was a great goal but otherwise McGinn was absolutely awful.  I wouldn't be too worried about him moving on to greater things just yet.

Early in the game, I thought, "yep, didn't take us long there to coach it all out of him".
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 23, 2018, 04:23:25 PM
Great strike by McGinn but I also think Lowton’s was better. I also preferred Jack’s late strike v Cardiff last seaso.

I generally prefer strikes that hit the net rather than go in off the woodwork - much cleaner and there is no moment of doubt that about the goal. When the ball bounced down off the bar yesterday I was looking for somebody to follow up and only realised we had scored when the ball bounced up into the roof of the net. I’m much happier without that split second of doubt.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard on September 23, 2018, 04:26:45 PM
I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 23, 2018, 04:29:37 PM
I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Don't get me wrong I like him too.  But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 04:43:26 PM
I disagree. He gave the ball away in a dangerous position once. Other than that, pretty good. Always looking for a dangerous pass. I'd like to see him back on corner duty ahead of Hot Lips.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 23, 2018, 04:54:13 PM
I disagree. He gave the ball away in a dangerous position once. Other than that, pretty good. Always looking for a dangerous pass. I'd like to see him back on corner duty ahead of Hot Lips.
He gave it away a lot more than once and was generally ineffective.  I took my father in law to the game and had given him a big build up all morning.  Neither of us could be live how poor he was.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 05:08:46 PM
Pass accuracy 91%. So he may have given it away more than once but it wasn't a large number. I think he is likely to give the ball away occasionally as he is always looking for a pass that creates something, rather than just playing a Glen Whelan two yard pass. We will gain far more than we lose from his passes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 23, 2018, 05:17:41 PM
I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Don't get me wrong I like him too.  But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Nah, not that bad.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on September 23, 2018, 05:26:08 PM
McGinn his goal apart had a stinker of a game.  I thought Sanchez had snuck back in the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kieron on September 23, 2018, 05:31:14 PM
Jack's goal last season was superb - for the occasion of putting us right back into the mix (albeit a long shot) that evening. Clearly, Lowton's goal was also beaut upon reviewing it again.

But, McGinn's goal yesterday, I was just stunned into silence when it happened. After the crowd had settled down I said to my 15 year old lad "Remember that, son. Witnessing moments like that don't come often".
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 05:43:56 PM
I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Don't get me wrong I like him too.  But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Nah, not that bad.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.

Hutton was okay, and made possibly the best interception I've ever seen at Villa Park to prevent a certain goal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 23, 2018, 06:25:50 PM
I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Don't get me wrong I like him too.  But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Nah, not that bad.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.

Hutton was okay, and made possibly the best interception I've ever seen at Villa Park to prevent a certain goal.
See this is part of the overall problem.Hutton was "okay".
He wasn't.He stank and he always stinks.Probably culpable more than any one player for our demise.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 06:54:57 PM
I think that's total bollocks, tbh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 23, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
I think that's total bollocks, tbh.

Absolutely. Anyone who thinks Hutton's the main reason for our demise either has a really short memory or hasn't been to many matches at all over the past decade.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 23, 2018, 07:48:43 PM
I think that's total bollocks, tbh.

Absolutely. Anyone who thinks Hutton's the main reason for our demise either has a really short memory or hasn't been to many matches at all over the past decade.
That's bollocks and if you can't see it I reckon you've been watching matches with rose coloured filters.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 09:24:22 PM
You're in the minority here. Quit while you're behind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kieron on September 23, 2018, 09:32:33 PM
^
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 23, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
No.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 23, 2018, 10:10:12 PM
No.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.

Has he fucked your missus?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on September 23, 2018, 10:27:32 PM
The fact that a player as limited as Hutton has been one of our better performers over the last few years tells you a lot about the state we're in. However, that's not remotely the same as saying he's culpable for our demise and endemic of all our problems, which is clearly bollocks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 23, 2018, 10:47:20 PM
I thought Hutton was shit in the first half, Reach had him on toast. Second half he was a little better but still got done a few times and, as always, he makes us far too narrow because he can't offer an overlap on the left. That's not entirely his fault but I really don't see the point of giving him a new contract for him to be a specialist left back.

I agree that he made a brilliant interception but he needs to offer much more than throwing himself in the way of a shot every now and then.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 24, 2018, 07:17:29 AM
No.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.

Has he fucked your missus?
The fuck
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2018, 09:48:59 AM
A brilliant goal by John McGinn really like the man.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: fbriai on September 24, 2018, 10:16:33 AM
His goal has been on all the main news sites over here (even though La Repubblica referred to as The Hammers...). I've had quite a few people writing to me to mention it.

I saw it being discussed here, but can't find it now, but for me it was better than the Lowton strike. He was hitting more or less through the line of the ball, while McGinn was hitting across it. Positioning and timing was everything. Had he not struck it perfectly, it would have ended up on Witton Lane.

Plus, bouncing it into the roof of the net, having struck the bar, is always a bit special!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on September 24, 2018, 10:20:32 AM
No.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.

Has he fucked your missus?
The fuck

It must have been a standout performance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2018, 01:12:23 PM
It’s terribly sad that the goal ultimately meant nothing, when it should have been the catalyst to drive us onto a result.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 24, 2018, 01:15:37 PM
I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Don't get me wrong I like him too.  But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Nah, not that bad.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.

Hutton was okay, and made possibly the best interception I've ever seen at Villa Park to prevent a certain goal.
Hutton was poor, despite the excellent saving tackle in the second half.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: NeilH on September 24, 2018, 01:20:36 PM
I went full on Partridge to that goal screaming out  "Shit!! Did you see that?! He must have a foot like a traction engine!!"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: usav on September 24, 2018, 01:25:22 PM
His goal has been on all the main news sites over here (even though La Repubblica referred to as The Hammers...). I've had quite a few people writing to me to mention it.

And over here.  It made the ESPN sports center top 10 plays (for any sport, not just football).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on October 01, 2018, 10:34:47 PM
I wouldn't be averse to Mcginn given bench and brought in if to get a right balance in team for the Preston match.
Just as a consideration and consequence as least performing and all that from last match at Bristol so he should but I don't think will be 'rested'

However he scored best goal ever recently so really don't think he will be not included though looks like needs a rest .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 02, 2018, 08:11:40 AM
I love McGinn

Hourihane seems our most reliable source of goals and assists at the moment

Jack is in theory our best player

But I can't figure out how to get them all in the same side consistently

People say you don't need a holding midfielders, that we didn't really have one when we won the league.

But there's a reason even the most attacking teams play with one. Football has changed. Even championship teams play with players between the lines nowadays.

When cantona came to England he was the best player in the league, despite having no pace and never doing anything internationally and in Europe. A major reason was that 442 just couldn't deal with a man playing behind the striker.

It might work against Rotherham but it's not the sustainable way forwards
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: boozey182 on October 02, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
I think a midfield with Hourihane in will always struggle to boss a match. He doesn't have the bite, drive or energy to get a proper grip on a game, in my opinion. But he's proved already this season that he can change matches coming off the bench; when there's a bit more space on the pitch and he can get a bit of time on the ball, he can be very useful.

It's got to be McGinn, Jack and one of Jedinak, Whelan or Bjanasson, which we can rotate depending on who we're playing. With two wingers (Bolasie and El Ghazi) playing off Tammy up front. We then have Kodjia and Hourihane to come off the bench to change things around. Of course, we'd never need them, as that front six should smash every team in this league.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 02, 2018, 12:07:39 PM
I think we could see an odd line-up tonight. Odd in that it will be in line with what we want, but with odd tactics. So that when we lose he can say 'I told you so' or if we win, 'I've been wanting to try that lineup for a while but couldn't get everyone fit'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 02, 2018, 12:19:07 PM
I think a midfield with Hourihane in will always struggle to boss a match. He doesn't have the bite, drive or energy to get a proper grip on a game, in my opinion. But he's proved already this season that he can change matches coming off the bench; when there's a bit more space on the pitch and he can get a bit of time on the ball, he can be very useful.

It's got to be McGinn, Jack and one of Jedinak, Whelan or Bjanasson, which we can rotate depending on who we're playing. With two wingers (Bolasie and El Ghazi) playing off Tammy up front. We then have Kodjia and Hourihane to come off the bench to change things around. Of course, we'd never need them, as that front six should smash every team in this league.

Agree with that.  On paper, we have got some good attacking and midfield options.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: davidb on October 02, 2018, 01:35:47 PM
Feels like he  was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on October 02, 2018, 01:40:21 PM
Feels like he  was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch

I said on here a while back that Grealish hasn't looked as effective since Mcginn has come in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: robleflaneur on October 02, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
Feels like he  was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch

I said on here a while back that Grealish hasn't looked as effective since Mcginn has come in.
You both mean that Bruce can't work out how to use 2 talents in his midfield. Pep found that hard with Xavi and Iniesta,Silva and deBruyne.Poch has difficulties with Alli and Ericksen.Where would he have played Grealish ?
Give Jack a freer role,he is outstanding at finding space and beating players.The closer to the opponents's box he is,the more dangerous he becomes.McGinn seems to possess all round talents,kudos to Bruce for getting him,and could feature in any midfield position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 02, 2018, 04:49:01 PM
Feels like he  was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch

I said on here a while back that Grealish hasn't looked as effective since Mcginn has come in.
You both mean that Bruce can't work out how to use 2 talents in his midfield. Pep found that hard with Xavi and Iniesta,Silva and deBruyne.Poch has difficulties with Alli and Ericksen.Where would he have played Grealish ?
Give Jack a freer role,he is outstanding at finding space and beating players.The closer to the opponents's box he is,the more dangerous he becomes.McGinn seems to possess all round talents,kudos to Bruce for getting him,and could feature in any midfield position.

Rob, I like John McGinn. A lot. But never use any of our midfielders or concerns dipshit Bruce might have in the same book let alone sentence as Xavi/Iniesta or Pep/Pochettino
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on October 03, 2018, 09:18:43 AM
The way mcginn won ball and set it up for Abraham is what I most liked about him.

I would have him ahead of Whelan to take a pen too!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 03, 2018, 09:22:01 AM
I think a midfield with Hourihane in will always struggle to boss a match. He doesn't have the bite, drive or energy to get a proper grip on a game, in my opinion. But he's proved already this season that he can change matches coming off the bench; when there's a bit more space on the pitch and he can get a bit of time on the ball, he can be very useful.

It's got to be McGinn, Jack and one of Jedinak, Whelan or Bjanasson, which we can rotate depending on who we're playing. With two wingers (Bolasie and El Ghazi) playing off Tammy up front. We then have Kodjia and Hourihane to come off the bench to change things around. Of course, we'd never need them, as that front six should smash every team in this league.
Exactly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on October 04, 2018, 09:13:18 PM
Called up to the scotland squad vs Israel and Portugal
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kieron on October 04, 2018, 09:44:50 PM
Ok
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 04, 2018, 09:52:20 PM
He was terrible against PNE. His worst game so far.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 04, 2018, 09:59:02 PM
And still forced a goal, so he’s not doing too bad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: walsall villain on October 04, 2018, 10:05:12 PM
He was terrible against PNE. His worst game so far.
Can’t think of anyone who didn’t look awful second half including Grealish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on October 05, 2018, 12:03:55 AM
He was terrible against PNE. His worst game so far.

I thought the Bristol city one was his worst largely not apparent
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 05, 2018, 01:05:19 AM
And still forced a goal, so he’s not doing too bad.

Like many of the others, I thought he had a good first half, but was pretty anonymous in the second.  Think he would benefit from playing a bit further forward than he has been recently, as he pretty anonymous against Bristol City at times as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2018, 06:59:33 AM
It’s all a system of the “shape” of the team. We get a proper manager in and he’ll be great.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on October 05, 2018, 08:27:32 AM
It’s all a system of the “shape” of the team. We get a proper manager in and he’ll be great.

Exactly. I'm just thankful for his effort all over the pitch when others around him consider trotting about as "putting in a shift".

Oh yeah, and he scored a world class goal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 05, 2018, 09:04:18 AM
The second half was so bad against Preston that I struggle to discriminate between our better and worse performers

He could do with a break maybe?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mattjpa on October 05, 2018, 09:07:21 AM
The second half was so bad against Preston that I struggle to discriminate between our better and worse performers

He could do with a break maybe?

We cant just ask good players to play bloody mumbo jumbo though - that is exactly what happened 2nd half of PNE. When we were crying out for shape and control of the game the clear direction from management didnt come.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2018, 09:12:58 AM
It's funny how history repeats itself.  An absolutely dismal second half against Preston did for our last two managers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 05, 2018, 09:22:50 AM
It's funny how history repeats itself.  An absolutely dismal second half against Preston did for our last two managers.

Not just that. But both sacked on the same date, October 3rd two years apart. That’s bizarre.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on October 05, 2018, 12:37:21 PM
It's funny how history repeats itself.  An absolutely dismal second half against Preston did for our last two managers.

Not just that. But both sacked on the same date, October 3rd two years apart. That’s bizarre.

And neither should have been employed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Jockey Randall on October 05, 2018, 12:52:35 PM
Being asked to play on the left of a 4 did for him 2nd half. Bjarnason should have gone there. They were having a field day against McGinn and Hutton as the former had no clue how to play the position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 18, 2018, 03:50:15 PM
Happy birthday John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 18, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
Yes happy birthday John, you have a manager who has a clue what he’s doing now so hopefully we’ll see the best of you.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 19, 2018, 11:52:34 AM
He's not in the lead in the Goal of the Month vote! You can vote here.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11516456/watch-vote-sky-bet-championship-league-one-and-league-two-goals-of-the-month-september
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard on October 19, 2018, 12:19:33 PM
His goal and the Reach one are hard to separate to be honest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mattjpa on October 19, 2018, 12:33:14 PM
His goal and the Reach one are hard to separate to be honest.
McGinns is superior, by a country mile. The way the ball pops up in front of Reach, given 50 attempts i reckon i could recreate it, there or there abouts. I think 5000 attempts at McGinns and I still wouldn't nail it. The irony that it may not win GOTM as voted for by fans, I reckon it will win goal of the season if by a professional panel
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 19, 2018, 01:03:42 PM
The second half was so bad against Preston that I struggle to discriminate between our better and worse performers

He could do with a break maybe?

He's been involved with Scotland over the international break, so a short rest at this point might not be the worst idea to keep him fresh. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Diablo on October 19, 2018, 01:05:28 PM
He's not in the lead in the Goal of the Month vote! You can vote here.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11516456/watch-vote-sky-bet-championship-league-one-and-league-two-goals-of-the-month-september
Update - Neck and neck now
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on October 19, 2018, 01:21:05 PM
I've put my vote in for Super John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rotterdam 82 on October 19, 2018, 01:46:35 PM
McGinn now 51% of the votes,  Reach 45%



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 19, 2018, 05:36:29 PM
I have just taken him up to 54%
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on October 19, 2018, 05:53:15 PM
I've added to the weight. Look a like victory for the good guys in the Peoples Vote.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 19, 2018, 05:54:17 PM
Still leading
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 19, 2018, 05:56:01 PM
I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on October 19, 2018, 05:58:34 PM
I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.

I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 19, 2018, 06:07:31 PM
I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.

I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest

True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2018, 06:15:42 PM
I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.

I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest

Yep, I think this is a good chance for a lot of players who have been well below the standard you'd expect. I expect Grealish, McGinn, El Ghazi and Kodjia in particular to benefit over the next 3-4 months (probably Hogan, Thor and Lansbury as well).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lsvilla on October 19, 2018, 06:23:09 PM
I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.

I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest

True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
Me too. And I think we’ll be rewarded. Dean Smith’s Brentford side weren’t afraid to mix it when the opportunity arose.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 19, 2018, 06:28:21 PM
I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.

I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest

True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
Me too. And I think we’ll be rewarded. Dean Smith’s Brentford side weren’t afraid to mix it when the opportunity arose.

They reminded me of Fulham. Lauded for their football but a right dirty bunch of fuckers at times which a career in lower league playing will teach you.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Diablo on October 19, 2018, 07:07:57 PM
I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.

I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest

True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
Me too. And I think we’ll be rewarded. Dean Smith’s Brentford side weren’t afraid to mix it when the opportunity arose.
Brentford impressed me with their ability to give it out a bit on their last visit to Villa Park, they were no shrinking violets.

Any more for any more?  https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11516456/watch-vote-sky-bet-championship-league-one-and-league-two-goals-of-the-month-september
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Eckybloke on October 19, 2018, 09:42:03 PM
I’ve done my bit.
55% JM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2018, 01:11:29 PM
I've just got him up to 56% - 15% ahead now.  It's in the bag!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GarTomas on October 20, 2018, 01:30:42 PM
I've just got him up to 56% - 15% ahead now.  It's in the bag!

The onion bag!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on October 20, 2018, 04:55:07 PM
Suspended for Tuesday away to Norwich.  Chance for Smith to look at other players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GarTomas on October 20, 2018, 05:10:44 PM
Quality again today.  Energy and drive with tacking and passing.

Reckon he covered at least 1km more than others.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mcgrath_85 on October 20, 2018, 05:13:19 PM
Suspended for Tuesday away to Norwich.  Chance for Smith to look at other players.

I’d like him to play every game! On the upside though, he grafted today and more than likely did for Scotland during the break, so at least he’ll be nice and fresh for QPR on Friday night!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: achilles on October 20, 2018, 06:51:26 PM
I thought he was brilliant today, he epitomises everything Dean Smith looks for in a player, dynamism, tackles well, passes well, always working and looking for the ball!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: manic-road on October 20, 2018, 06:55:57 PM
I thought he was brilliant today, he epitomises everything Dean Smith looks for in a player, dynamism, tackles well, passes well, always working and looking for the ball!

Yes he was colossus today, haven't seen a tenacious tackler like that at VP for a while.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 20, 2018, 07:19:37 PM
I thought he was brilliant today, he epitomises everything Dean Smith looks for in a player, dynamism, tackles well, passes well, always working and looking for the ball!

Yes he was colossus today, haven't seen a tenacious tackler like that at VP for a while.

Best performance in a Villa shirt so far, workrate and tenacity are a pleasure to watch. A definite "throwback" to the 70s and 80s
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on October 20, 2018, 07:31:02 PM
Superb today. Tackles in the double digits, constantly winning the ball back and setting up attacks. His workrate is fantastic - just a shame his one real shooting chance almost ended up the Upper Holte!

I wouldn't thank Steve Bruce for much, but I do for signing him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 20, 2018, 07:33:50 PM
Haven't seen anything from today but from reports it sounds like him and Thor did the 'defensive' midfield role in the way I like to see.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 20, 2018, 07:44:00 PM
He was very good today just loved his tenacity   and  drive. Also uses his ass very effectively. And yes John thanks for becoming the first holder of Tonev award as no one has made it to  the Holte upper tier since he left.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard E on October 20, 2018, 07:50:43 PM
The way he sort of shoves people off to make space for himself is fantastic.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 20, 2018, 07:50:56 PM
McGinn uses his arse like Gareth Barry. And that is a high compliment rather than a piss take.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: robleflaneur on October 20, 2018, 07:53:05 PM
Magnificent,apart from that shot.Just love the way he shields the ball after winning it back and then drives forward in the next movement.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard E on October 20, 2018, 07:55:15 PM
How was it not a penalty when he was picked up and thrown to the ground at that corner late on?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on October 20, 2018, 08:09:37 PM
He will get better as he gets used to the pace and fitness of English football.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 20, 2018, 08:12:25 PM
He will get better as he gets used to the pace and fitness of English football.

He will get better when his bloody teammates get up to his speed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on October 20, 2018, 08:15:35 PM
Suspended for Tuesday away to Norwich.  Chance for Smith to look at other players.
With the Scotland games, he's played a lot of football this season, so the break, even though it's only 6 days, will do him good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2018, 08:20:10 PM
McGinn uses his arse like Gareth Barry. And that is a high compliment rather than a piss take.

He tackles with his arse rather than his feet!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on October 20, 2018, 08:23:54 PM
Our best player again.  Cracking
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: martyn ellis on October 20, 2018, 09:32:01 PM
He steals the ball, he screens the ball and he shields the ball to perfection. Great skills, although I'm sure he'll get sent off before long if he mistimes one of his 100mph lunges.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on October 20, 2018, 09:39:07 PM
He's certainly got the Petrov/Barry arse the way he shields it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2018, 09:45:59 PM
He steals the ball, he screens the ball and he shields the ball to perfection. Great skills, although I'm sure he'll get sent off before long if he mistimes one of his 100mph lunges.

If that prick who assaulted Grealish today near the dugouts didn't get sent off then McGinniesta should be fine.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 20, 2018, 10:07:19 PM
He was superb but sometimes his over exuberance gets him into trouble and he loses the ball. But you cannot teach over exuberance. He’s got it in abundance and a first class attitude. Brilliant player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villan from luton on October 20, 2018, 10:18:36 PM
He steals the ball, he screens the ball and he shields the ball to perfection. Great skills, although I'm sure he'll get sent off before long if he mistimes one of his 100mph lunges.

If that prick who assaulted Grealish today near the dugouts didn't get sent off then McGinniesta should be fine.

The ref didn't even give a foul for the assault on Grealish did he? Got to say these refs are getting worse, if that is possible.

SJM was superb and has the energy and drive that the manager will be expecting from all of the players in the coming months.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: walsall villain on October 20, 2018, 10:21:37 PM
He was superb but sometimes his over exuberance gets him into trouble and he loses the ball. But you cannot teach over exuberance. He’s got it in abundance and a first class attitude. Brilliant player.
Our best player for me today. I’m really impressed with his tenacity and energy. Hopefully we will manage without him Tuesday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2018, 10:22:28 PM
The ref didn't even give a foul for the assault on Grealish did he?

No - absolute joker!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 20, 2018, 10:27:20 PM
Someone who will massively prosper in the Smith system imo. I think he's done pretty well in most of his games so far.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: vilan461 on October 20, 2018, 10:32:41 PM
The lad is a real blood and guts grafter- and well commited--to run up 5 bookings already speaks volumes, ---will sure be missed at Carrow Road,
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 21, 2018, 07:38:19 AM
I love this guy. I thought he was great

Does need to learn when to press etc. But I thought he was terrific

Outshone grealish
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 21, 2018, 07:51:50 AM
He’s had a few quiet games but great to see him so involved yesterday.  An excellent signing I know exactly what you mean re the arse thing. He steps past the ball and shields with his backside, something he does a lot.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on October 21, 2018, 10:17:59 AM
He was definitely my man of the match.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: curiousorange on October 21, 2018, 10:19:45 AM
McGinn was brilliant yesterday. One of those all-action midfield performances that opposition teams hate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 21, 2018, 10:37:57 AM
Someone who will massively prosper in the Smith system imo. I think he's done pretty well in most of his games so far.

Only real problem I foresee is that Grealish likes to drift out to the left a bit and I think that is area where McGinn is most effective.  He certainly got stuck in and broke play up well yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: waynejames on October 21, 2018, 10:42:10 AM
McGinn was brilliant yesterday. One of those all-action midfield performances that opposition teams hate.
Manages to produce an exclusion zone around himself by getting low down and sticking his bum out (more tea vicar) to shield the ball whilst being challenged.
Reminds me of Mark Hughes in that respect.
He was head and shoulders above anything else on that pitch yesterday.
The premier league sides will come a knocking if he keeps this form up.
How do we stop that......
Get promoted
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on October 21, 2018, 10:45:26 AM
Yes, he was excellent again. It'll be interesting to see who replaces him on Tuesday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 21, 2018, 11:32:30 AM
He runs like he's got an invisible bag full of shopping over each arm.

I really like him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 21, 2018, 11:36:41 AM
Yes, he was excellent again. It'll be interesting to see who replaces him on Tuesday.
I think it should be Micah Richards with strict instructions that if he doesn't cover the same distance as McGinn did yesterday  his contract would be immediately cancelled.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 21, 2018, 12:35:25 PM
Yes, he was excellent again. It'll be interesting to see who replaces him on Tuesday.

Hourihane surely?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2018, 01:24:27 PM
He's excellent.  Very rarely makes a mistake, and just keeps going like the Duracell bunny.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tuscans on October 23, 2018, 03:05:48 PM
Reminds me a little of Milner when he played in the centre...and now for Liverpool.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 24, 2018, 06:34:19 AM
Reminds me a little of Milner when he played in the centre...and now for Liverpool.

I'd love to see McGinn v Milner on a bleep test. They'd run out of bleeps before either of those two gave up!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 10, 2018, 08:14:32 PM
He can't possibly keep this up, can he? Who does he think he is, the Scottish James Milner?

I've only seen the briefest of highlights, but brilliant, again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on November 10, 2018, 08:18:38 PM
Again, I've only seen the highlights but it looked obvious that Smith's told him to push forward more - he must've had half a dozen clear cut chances where he was the furthest man forwards.

With his engine he's capable of doing that so I can see him getting in to double-figures this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on November 10, 2018, 08:30:16 PM
His work rate is prodigious.  Best engine in a Villa player since George Boateng.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on November 10, 2018, 08:49:25 PM
His work rate is prodigious.  Best engine in a Villa player since George Boateng.

and you and I will also remember Bremner and Carrodus who had similar engines
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: achilles on November 10, 2018, 08:55:52 PM
He is already a £20m+ player, he was again brilliant today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on November 10, 2018, 11:03:57 PM
Just needs to stop the yellow cards count.  We can't afford to be without him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 10, 2018, 11:07:57 PM
McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VillaAlways on November 10, 2018, 11:17:42 PM
McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing
Confused.com Not sure if serious etc etc....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on November 10, 2018, 11:18:16 PM
McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing

Four year contract not long enough for you?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 10, 2018, 11:19:28 PM
McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing
Confused.com Not sure if serious etc etc....

probably means of that ilk
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on November 10, 2018, 11:30:10 PM
Yes I assumed XXVilla means more of his type however a team full of 10 McGinn type would not be very good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 10, 2018, 11:59:51 PM
He means players called McGinn that are as good as John McGinn.  Could be a challenge for the scouts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2018, 12:05:11 AM
I don't give a fucketty fuck if he's good enough play at a higher level,he's just an ace footballer
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2018, 12:21:31 AM
I don't give a fucketty fuck if he's good enough play at a higher level,he's just an ace footballer

I fucking love him.

I love the busy way he runs, he looks like he's got an invisible shopping bag over each arm, the way he scurries around.

He's an absolute quality player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Colhint on November 11, 2018, 01:31:43 AM
One day the commentary will be

McGinn puts in a  glorious cross from the left and McGinn was there at the far post to head it in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2018, 01:46:21 AM
We all dream of a team of John McGinns, a team of John McGinns, a team of John Mcginns.

As an aside, when I phoned up to cancel my Beer52 subscription, when the bloke asked what my email address was when I got to the "AVFC" bit he pretty much shouted down the phone "Super John McGinn!", they're based in Edinburgh so the next 10 mins was spent talking about him and how he's doing. They still love him up there, well the Hibs half do.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 11, 2018, 06:42:23 AM
McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing
Confused.com Not sure if serious etc etc....

Correct. It was a joke
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on November 11, 2018, 06:53:31 AM
As we spotted last week, though I was rightly corrected by PWS about age, there are two more McGinn brothers at St Mirren.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on November 11, 2018, 08:46:48 AM
The player who would slot in brilliantly in our current side? - Rob Snodgrass!
Energy, attitude and an eye for goal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on November 11, 2018, 09:56:53 AM
Just needs to stop the yellow cards count.  We can't afford to be without him.
Yeah that's the only criticism I have of him, he's already served a one match ban, otherwise he's been brilliant. Reminds me very much of Des Bremner.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2018, 10:02:31 AM
The lad is brilliant.  If I'm grateful to Bruce for one thing, it's signing McGinn.  It was absolute highway robbery to get him for the price we did, can't believe he was so cheap or that he didn't go a Premier League team to be honest.  He looks a £20m player all day long.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kipeye on November 11, 2018, 10:25:28 AM
Just needs to stop the yellow cards count.  We can't afford to be without him.
Yeah that's the only criticism I have of him, he's already served a one match ban, otherwise he's been brilliant. Reminds me very much of Des Bremner.
Agree with the comparison-although I cannot remember Des scoring a header-not one he meant anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 11, 2018, 12:14:25 PM
Will win POTY by a mile at this rate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on November 11, 2018, 01:22:31 PM
Just needs to stop the yellow cards count.  We can't afford to be without him.
Yeah that's the only criticism I have of him, he's already served a one match ban, otherwise he's been brilliant. Reminds me very much of Des Bremner.
Agree with the comparison-although I cannot remember Des scoring a header-not one he meant anyway.


Go to 09:20

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kipeye on November 11, 2018, 02:23:44 PM
Cheers Pete.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 11, 2018, 03:16:02 PM
The lad is brilliant.  If I'm grateful to Bruce for one thing, it's signing McGinn.  It was absolute highway robbery to get him for the price we did, can't believe he was so cheap or that he didn't go a Premier League team to be honest.  He looks a £20m player all day long.

Given how skint most of Scottish football is you almost feel bad for Hibs. To the extent that you might hope there is tiny performance clause in the deal so that if we go up they get something for what is highway robbery.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2018, 03:29:37 PM
I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on November 11, 2018, 09:20:11 PM
I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.

Wouldn't it be great if we could take some off  our recent signings back and get a full refund.  Perhaps we should sign players by using the company credit card so that we can claim against the credit card company when we realise we have signed a defective player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard E on November 11, 2018, 09:26:51 PM
I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.

Wouldn't it be great if we could take some off  our recent signings back and get a full refund.  Perhaps we should sign players by using the company credit card so that we can claim against the credit card company when we realise we have signed a defective player.

We'd be limited to only signing players for between £10 and £30,000. Like Small Heath.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on November 11, 2018, 09:33:17 PM
I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.

Wouldn't it be great if we could take some off  our recent signings back and get a full refund.  Perhaps we should sign players by using the company credit card so that we can claim against the credit card company when we realise we have signed a defective player.

We'd be limited to only signing players for between £10 and £30,000. Like Small Heath.

Can't we get a £30m limit or is £30k the most you can claim back ?  If that's the case to take back Richard's.  Etc.. and at least get something back would have helped our FFP problems no end.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 12, 2018, 10:38:50 AM
Love him to bits what a steal and what a player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on November 12, 2018, 10:54:04 AM
You have summed it up brilliantly Darren.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dicedlam on November 12, 2018, 11:26:11 AM
Hibs were well and truly mugged.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 12, 2018, 12:26:18 PM
Although he scored from another position on Saturday, I do like him playing on the left side of central midfield.  As he showed on Saturday, he produces real quality from areas on the left and looks a threat on that side.

I would still love to see Grealish pushed up a bit further on the left with McGinn supporting him and a good, attacking left back bombing on outside them.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 12, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
Too good for the championship the only real improvement he can make to his game is to stop over hitting the ball
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on November 13, 2018, 07:24:43 AM
Although he scored from another position on Saturday, I do like him playing on the left side of central midfield.  As he showed on Saturday, he produces real quality from areas on the left and looks a threat on that side.

I would still love to see Grealish pushed up a bit further on the left with McGinn supporting him and a good, attacking left back bombing on outside them.   

I agree that's McGinn's best position

But I think jack should play centrally so we just need them both to move around into positions
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2018, 10:35:33 AM
Out of Scotland squad due to calf strain.  Hope its only precautionary we really need him for this run of games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on November 15, 2018, 11:33:41 AM
Just bring him home now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on November 15, 2018, 11:54:11 AM
Pointless international breaks! All we need is Chester to get injured!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 16, 2018, 09:31:52 PM
Pointless international breaks! All we need is Chester to get injured!

FFS!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on November 16, 2018, 10:04:47 PM
Pointless international breaks! All we need is Chester to get injured!
I blame you for this!

McGinn, Chester and Bjarnason all injured. Good job we've got a nice easy game next week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on November 16, 2018, 10:45:58 PM
I'm a centre back. Should I bring my boots?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 23, 2018, 01:42:41 PM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 23, 2018, 03:04:46 PM
Excellent stuff.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 23, 2018, 03:39:59 PM
Smith confirms that he is leaving it as late as possible before deciding on McGinn.  I reckon he will be on the bench.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on November 23, 2018, 04:09:33 PM
McGinn trained today alongside Chester at Bodymoor. I can see both starting.......
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on December 03, 2018, 06:15:52 PM
McGinn, throughout the match against Boro as he did in previous away match against Derby was making effective runs forward as was as a number 8 given a role like back support striker.

Certainly against Boro he was the one who was higher up the pitch than Grealish who droppped a bit deeper.

Interesting moves as Grealish wasn't getting in box or shooting as much last few matches as he was previous.

I think eventually they will work in tandem but with Hourihane and Mcginn in middle I think smith likes Mcginn further forward runs and Grealish offers the right foot balance closer to Hourihane.

In tine the fluidity will come as will balance because I think a new dm or Whelan with mcginn could see Grealish pushed further forward.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 16, 2018, 02:26:48 PM
Far too deep yesterday to influence the game
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on December 16, 2018, 02:42:05 PM
Far too deep yesterday to influence the game

We’ve only got two really good midfielders he’s one of them and the other didn’t play yesterday so he was always going to be up against it
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on December 16, 2018, 02:47:25 PM
I don’t actually mind him in a deeper role as long as Bolasie and el Ghazi are carrying a threat but they didn’t yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 16, 2018, 06:49:00 PM
I don’t actually mind him in a deeper role as long as Bolasie and el Ghazi are carrying a threat but they didn’t yesterday.


He was neutrailised  yestereday, ineffective and couldnt influence anything if truth be told.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on December 16, 2018, 09:32:55 PM
He was playing in as deep lying a position as I’ve seen him. He did OK tackling back and starting moves but at the cost of his threat further up the pitch. I wouldn’t say he was neutralised necessarily but like a lot of other players he suffered from jack not keeping 2 of their players occupied. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on December 16, 2018, 10:32:58 PM
He did the work of 3 men yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on December 16, 2018, 11:09:58 PM
He was good. He is becoming Mr Reliable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mr underhill on December 18, 2018, 07:39:30 AM
we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on December 18, 2018, 09:03:54 AM
we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.

Bruce - McGinn
Lambert - Benteke

both left us very nice parting gifts if not a lot else
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on December 18, 2018, 09:41:55 AM
we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.

Maybe if we don't get promoted that might happen but I don't think it's worth worrying about too much at the moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: exigo on December 18, 2018, 12:43:35 PM
we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.

Seem to remember his quotes at the time didn't exactly make it sound like he'd scouted or chosen McGinn. "The owners want us to work with younger, hungrier players" was the gist.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 18, 2018, 12:49:31 PM
I doubt Bruce had a clue about who McGinn was until we signed him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mr underhill on December 18, 2018, 02:04:25 PM
Blimey - ok then he best signing made whilst he was manager?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2018, 02:55:14 PM
I'm not a fan of Bruce but I think it's unfair to assume that he knew nothing of McGinn, there's no real evidence to back that up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 18, 2018, 03:57:01 PM
I'm not a fan of Bruce but I think it's unfair to assume that he knew nothing of McGinn, there's no real evidence to back that up.
Absolutely.  For all the valid criticisms re style and not achieving what he should have, it's pretty churlish to make up (or assume) more stuff to kick him with.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on December 18, 2018, 04:32:14 PM
He deserved kicking but credit where it’s due. A great signing
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 12:19:17 PM
Mcginn hasn't been at levels and actually he could do a role like Fernandino and play deeper letting others play further forward but also drive forward him self.

I think if he plays left side or deeper rather than right side of midfield

Does have tendency to give ball away but win it back lately maybe tiredness his play hasn't been above 6  but due to his energy and in comparison to others it looks like he's playing better .

However some of his football play and senseless bookings need working on to improve
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 03, 2019, 10:09:46 AM
He's brilliant
He's just tired
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 03, 2019, 10:16:57 PM
Player of the Season so far.

He's just knackered.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mike on January 03, 2019, 10:36:12 PM
If we don't go up and lose Jack, we have to keep McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2019, 10:41:17 PM
He's brilliant
He's just tired

Don't think he's even that knackered as he kept up with Eze in the 97th minute the other day.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 04, 2019, 12:05:30 AM
He's brilliant
He's just tired

Don't think he's even that knackered as he kept up with Eze in the 97th minute the other day.

Good point.

His knackerdness comes in spurts, from which he soon recovers. In that respect, he reminds me very much of my brother's Cocker Spaniel, Charlie. He will run up and down the Malvern Hills for an hour before retiring panting under a bush, and you think he is going to peg out. 10 minutes later he is off again.



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2019, 02:02:37 AM
I would like to know what his best role and position is,it is difficult to tell with the players and system we are using.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 04, 2019, 04:40:05 AM
Having to come too deep at the moment to collect the ball. The man is a terrier
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 04, 2019, 07:18:58 AM
I think his best position is as an 8 alongside grealish. He gets around the pitch. He'd be wasted sitting deep
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 04, 2019, 08:57:19 AM
I think his best position is as an 8 alongside grealish. He gets around the pitch. He'd be wasted sitting deep
Grealish & McGinn roving just behind the front three - Newby at DM (whoever that may be)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2019, 09:45:05 AM
Mcginn is the key to us being able to press teams high up the pitch, for a while I thought he'd be good in the defensive role but I've changed my mind on that, let him go further up field and chase the ball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on January 04, 2019, 10:19:46 AM
He’s an obvious talent but less obvious is a system to play him in, Ive said it before but he doesn’t get involved in build up play enough for me and, given his excellent energy and striking technique, he hasn’t influenced scores as much as she should have.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2019, 10:47:21 AM
He’s an obvious talent but less obvious is a system to play him in, Ive said it before but he doesn’t get involved in build up play enough for me and, given his excellent energy and striking technique, he hasn’t influenced scores as much as she should have.

Completely agree.  I was hoping he'd step up a bit more after Grealish's injury, but he hasn't really.  I'm hoping his relatively poor performances in the last few games are down to fatigue, rather than Smith not knowing what to do with him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on January 04, 2019, 01:28:18 PM
He’s an obvious talent but less obvious is a system to play him in, Ive said it before but he doesn’t get involved in build up play enough for me and, given his excellent energy and striking technique, he hasn’t influenced scores as much as she should have.

Completely agree.  I was hoping he'd step up a bit more after Grealish's injury, but he hasn't really.  I'm hoping his relatively poor performances in the last few games are down to fatigue, rather than Smith not knowing what to do with him.

he's an enabler he creates the space and ball for the likes of Grealish to perform well

hes our own little modern version of Des Bremner, but Des had Mortimer, Cowans, Morley to get going,
 at the moment Mcginn working with Hourahane, Whelan, Barny,

its not quite the same, he needs some quality around him and he will flourish
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2019, 01:51:57 PM
I'm not going to knock the guy too much, he's been great since he's been here. So, he may not overly effective in some games but you can't really expect him to be bossing the midfield every week. The effort he puts in never drops.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 04, 2019, 08:41:47 PM
He's box to box. Reminds me of Townsend and Boateng in excellent villa teams in previous decades. Maybe even a touch of Milner but needs to add more goals to his game.

I'd just play him in Hourihane's position tbh but we need to get in a new DM (and also get Jack back) for that to happen.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 04, 2019, 11:37:38 PM
SJM has been a steal and thank God it was us that acquired his services.The amount of effort he puts during a match in is phenomenal. Like others in this parish I would never criticise him, what I would suggest is he could do with another player along side him with the same work ethic
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GarTomas on January 19, 2019, 05:33:28 PM
Tremendous again today. An example for our academy players to aspire to in terms of attitude and workrate.

Puts some of our senior players to shame.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 19, 2019, 05:41:41 PM
Its something small but he is a guaranteed possession retainer from a throw in.

Just doesnt lose the ball and uses his arse to shield the ball expertly.

Over the past 10 years, he is part of a very small minority of our players that you could say that about.

Sad to say, but he needs to leave us asap as does Grealish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 19, 2019, 06:05:01 PM
Its something small but he is a guaranteed possession retainer from a throw in.

Just doesnt lose the ball and uses his arse to shield the ball expertly.

Over the past 10 years, he is part of a very small minority of our players that you could say that about.

Sad to say, but he needs to leave us asap as does Grealish.

Don't say it.  Much can change in football over a short period.  I only remember Wolves being uber shite . Now they are bang average.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 19, 2019, 06:29:18 PM
Think he's far too deep.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2019, 07:46:47 PM
All our best midfielders use their arse to great effect; Stan and Barry were the same.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2019, 07:59:14 PM
Love everything he does but I wish he had not scored the worldly against Sheff Wed as in the context of the game it was a waste and now he keeps wasting good options by trying to repeat that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 19, 2019, 08:18:12 PM


A one man midfield doing the work of three. Expect burn out or an injury because of it very soon
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa75 on January 19, 2019, 11:24:49 PM
A great little player. We're lucky to have him 👍
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 19, 2019, 11:28:33 PM
One. Man. Team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Roysmert on January 19, 2019, 11:31:15 PM
Where on earth would we be without him and Abraham?

We’re a two man team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Des Little on January 19, 2019, 11:32:05 PM
Enjoy him while you can people. He’s way too good for this barrel of shite.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 19, 2019, 11:43:07 PM


A one man midfield doing the work of three. Expect burn out or an injury because of it very soon

Good point.

We have give to give him more support and protection, otherwise it is likely to end badly. A decent DCM would help greatly as would wide players who are not on auto-pilot.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on January 19, 2019, 11:48:47 PM
Is it our natural position to just become overly pessimistic as soon as we come across a good thing? He's going to burn out, get injured and be sold?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on January 20, 2019, 08:19:45 AM
I worried like mad when he went down injured near the end.

Lose him from the midfield and we're done for.

I know Tammy has bagged all the goals, but he's my Player Of The Year, easily.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CJ on January 20, 2019, 09:40:45 AM
He's still only 1 yellow from a 2 game ban. I worry every time the ref 'has a word' with him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2019, 09:56:52 AM
When does that expire?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2019, 10:38:28 AM
March.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CJ on January 20, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
Yeah - mid-March, after 37 games, so after the Forest game. Walking a bit of a tightrope to be available for the Bloose game
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2019, 02:39:18 PM
Ffs. That's forever.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on January 29, 2019, 10:57:33 PM
McGinn in confident mood after beating Ipswich.

Said this

"I think we played a lot better. It was clear to see. We moved the ball a lot quicker. We had a lot of chances – myself included. That’s something I will be working on but, overall, the three points were absolutely vital.

“We need to use the win as a springboard. We have a tough run of games coming up. Everyone knows that.

"But that’s where, previously, we showed our best performances this season.

"If we can get a win against Reading next weekend and carry that on, then who knows what could happen.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on March 04, 2019, 09:23:32 AM
Since Rodgers wanted McGinn at Celtic, there might be some truth in this one

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leciester-city-mcginn-celtic-villa-15915360


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on March 04, 2019, 09:25:41 AM
Since Rodgers wanted McGinn at Celtic, there might be some truth in this one

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leciester-city-mcginn-celtic-villa-15915360







Let's hope not.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on March 04, 2019, 09:37:39 AM
The fact that the Mail can't spell Leicester in the url doesn't help the story's credibility :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on March 04, 2019, 10:18:29 AM
I can see why we may need to sell Jack and of course may not have an option given the release clause.  However, unless we are desperate for the cash I see absolutely no reason why we shouldn't insist McGinn stays for another year.  I hope we just make that absolutely clear from day 1 of the transfer window.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Eckybloke on March 04, 2019, 10:23:36 AM
Since Rodgers wanted McGinn at Celtic, there might be some truth in this one

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leciester-city-mcginn-celtic-villa-15915360


What a load of rehashed old shite, we shouldn't be falling for clickbait like that any more!  Nothing of any substance in it at all and no quotes about JM from beyond when he signed for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on March 04, 2019, 10:28:05 AM
Depends if they offer silly money, and they may - they spent 25m on a Norwich player last summer. Given the money situation with FFP, could be a case of him or Grealish given we're losing so many players this summer anyway and will need to spend at least some money just to field a team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on March 04, 2019, 08:44:12 PM
The bar should start at, at least 25mill if that's the case.  A very tidy profit and a sell on clause for when SJM moves to somewhere bigger and better. That said, I'd rather keep him and build the side around him with a tighter midfield five containing him and Grealish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on March 04, 2019, 08:59:42 PM
I don't know why anybody is surprised, angry or frustrated to see stories coming out about interest in Mcginn

he's a good player, one our best,  young lots of potential and currently playing in the championship

I would be more surprised if there wasn't any transfer links
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on March 04, 2019, 09:15:34 PM
I think it's more our local paper touting him for us with no credible link other than Rodgers was previously interested.  We can do without 'our' paper trying to unsettle our players for a few clicks.  ******.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 04, 2019, 09:21:35 PM
Also, whilst it's perfectly plausible for Rodgers to be interested, the last time he was interested was in the the SPL (I know it's not called that now but I hate the P word) and McGinn was going for £2m. He may well have bigger crisps to fry nowadays.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on March 04, 2019, 09:40:06 PM
He can feck off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on March 04, 2019, 09:56:32 PM
Well would you look at that? The Mail doing a story based on fuck all about one of our best players leaving in the week of the Derby.

An absolute gash paper, the Wolverhampton Express and Star is light years ahead of the Mail when it comes to Villa reporting.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 05, 2019, 12:48:52 PM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043

Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.

I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2019, 01:27:32 PM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043

Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.

I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.

Why is it 'very possible'?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2019, 01:29:15 PM
The bar for his price should be set at “not for sale”. Just as it was with Jack last summer when it appeared all was lost and we were going to sell every player, the club name and the ground.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on March 05, 2019, 03:33:20 PM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043

Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.

I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.

Neil Moxley. That name rings a bell. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 05, 2019, 09:04:18 PM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043

Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.

I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.

Why is it 'very possible'?


Managers speak to journalists all the time about transfer targets so don't see why he wouldn't tip one off who he got on well with in Glasgow so the player notices and sees said manager still rates him....

All part of the act.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on March 06, 2019, 01:49:07 AM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043

Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.

I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.

Why is it 'very possible'?


Managers speak to journalists all the time about transfer targets so don't see why he wouldn't tip one off who he got on well with in Glasgow so the player notices and sees said manager still rates him....

All part of the act.

Neil is from Brum, and lives in Warwickshire.

https://muckrack.com/neil-moxley
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 06, 2019, 07:09:52 AM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043

Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.

I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.

Why is it 'very possible'?


Managers speak to journalists all the time about transfer targets so don't see why he wouldn't tip one off who he got on well with in Glasgow so the player notices and sees said manager still rates him....

All part of the act.

But he doesn't need to tip a journalist off. It's common knowledge to everyone and the player Celtic wanted him so it's just as likely the  journalist has put two and two together. Besides, Mcginn would find out of interest through his agent rather than the press.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 06, 2019, 08:03:23 AM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043

Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.

I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.

Neil Moxley. That name rings a bell. 

Moxley is chief sports writer at the Sunday People, but covers us mostly. Story must be syndicated to the Scottish paper so not likely attributable to Rogers while he was there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on March 06, 2019, 11:51:43 AM
Moxley is a Nose.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 06, 2019, 12:06:02 PM
Moxley is a Nose.

Who has been writing about the Villa for over twenty years and has a bit more professionalism about him than to let the team he supports get in the way of the job he does.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 10, 2019, 03:52:52 PM
SJM. ❤️
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2019, 03:54:42 PM
He was great but the way the game went first half I think having Whelan on helped us. He did well until those 3 shit passes.  Then once their "pashun" had gone we brought on SJM and it was game over.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2019, 03:57:52 PM
Should've started.

That said at least he'll be very fresh for Wednesday now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: supertom on March 10, 2019, 04:20:27 PM
Excellent player. He's one that will do well in the top flight too. Rarely wastes the ball, full of energy, always aware of what's going on. Quality. An absolute bargain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on March 10, 2019, 04:22:45 PM
Game changed when SJM came on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on March 10, 2019, 10:35:02 PM
I thought he ran the show and perhaps was the reason Jack suddenly found a bit of space when SJM came on.  If we can find that tough nut to play behind him and Jack, we will be great next season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 10, 2019, 11:14:17 PM
I thought the way in which he strode right into that game, from the moment he took the field, was hugely impressive.  He surely does remind me of Alex Cropley.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 10, 2019, 11:32:14 PM
Game changed when SJM came on.

Yep. And, I’d go as far to say that his 2 week ban has helped us for the run in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
we've been saying all season that Smith has no other choice but to keep playing Whelan and Hourihane whether they have been good or bad

well he did have a choice yesterday and he preferred Whelan and Hourihane over Mcginn,
think about that

we won the the game so it papered over the cracks of a terrible decision
there was no technical genius substitutions going on just a putting on the second best midfielder we have at the club with the obvious conclusions

we played over an hour with a shit midfield bested by Blues until he made the change we should have started with
I bet there's not many who want him to put McGinn on the bench for Forest

if this is the new dawn under Smith he's not going to get away with making stupid decisions like that when he has a big call to make

great win in the end because he did what was blatantly obvious but I've lost a lot of confidence in Smith making the right judgement call in the future, honestly thought he was better than that

can you imagine what McGinn must have felt like after being probably the most consistent player we have had this season
I can't count how many match threads have said 'midfield shit again apart from McGinn' and there he is playing second fiddle to an ageing Whelan passing the ball to the crowd for an hour in a massive game for us as well as a local derby

unbeleivably bad judgment call from Smith imo



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 11, 2019, 03:04:03 PM
I'm not going to knock his decision to start Whelan. It sends a good message; you play well, you keep the shirt.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 11, 2019, 03:05:18 PM
I have to disagree John, a manager has to demonstrate that if you put in a good performance then you get picked for the next game. Having the benefit of a class act as McGinn to come on as a substitute, if the performance wasn't up to the previous standard, is what good man management is all about.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: fbriai on March 11, 2019, 03:07:04 PM
Yep. I agree with LFS and Neil.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2019, 03:07:20 PM
The way the game went it was the right decision. McGinn can be a bit erratic challenges wise which is why he was suspended. Him in the first half woudnt have helped imo. As soon as the 'pashun' was over he came on and we won the game and even then he still managed to be booked again despite only playing half an hour in a calmer game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on March 11, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
Agree 100% with John it was a very poor decision to leave McGinn out. I take it nobody wants him to start on the bench on Wednesday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on March 11, 2019, 05:34:50 PM
It was the right decision and we won!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on March 11, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
I thought McGinn should have started, but I could understand why he didn't. And how great was it to have some really good players on the bench for a change? For months we've had no one who could change a plodding performance. Yesterday the double substitution had an instant impact and won us the game. The decision to have McGinn as sub was fully vindicated.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 06:15:05 PM
the only thing that was fully vindicated to me is that we are a much better side with McGinn in it than with him sitting on the sidelines for over an hour
that's not being tactically aware that's scoring an own goal before you start

vindicated or not i a can guarantee he won't make the same mistake on Wednesday because he should know by now that is what it was
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 11, 2019, 06:26:52 PM
Thought it was the right decision. Keep a "winning" team, which shows confidence in the players. Having McGinn on the bench was a fantastic option as he's has so much energy they would be able to stay with him, as it proved. We've got 3 important matches in a week which may have been on the managers mind as well. UTV
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2019, 06:29:51 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice  to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2019, 06:32:10 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice  to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.

Quite agree.  Think Smith got it bang on the money.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 06:35:19 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice  to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.

so we dont carry on starting with  a winning side then

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice  to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.

so we dont carry on starting with  a winning side then



We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 06:41:20 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice  to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.

so we dont carry on starting with  a winning side then



We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.

it wasn’t the best team though was it as was quite clearly proved yesterday when we bought a lot better player on in the second half and immediately started to play err...a lot better

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2019, 06:44:46 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice  to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.

so we dont carry on starting with  a winning side then



We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.

it wasn’t the best team though was it as was quite clearly proved yesterday when we bought a lot better player on in the second half and immediately started to play err...a lot better



It wasn't proved at all. The match evolved, as these matches often do, and our manager changed the team as circumstances altered.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 11, 2019, 06:45:46 PM
Who managed to get booked AGAIN, and their central midfield substitute nearly scored twice.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on March 11, 2019, 06:49:08 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice  to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.

so we dont carry on starting with  a winning side then



We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.

it wasn’t the best team though was it as was quite clearly proved yesterday when we bought a lot better player on in the second half and immediately started to play err...a lot better



He was only on for 20 odd minutes and got himself booked, the way things were going in the first half I think Whelan was the better option. McGinn was then able to come on and make an immediate impact.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2019, 06:58:26 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice  to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.

so we dont carry on starting with  a winning side then

I didnt say we should did I. Nice try though. Smith got it right even if you disagree with it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 07:01:52 PM
well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it

my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn

nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles

and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players

imo obviously
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 11, 2019, 07:25:20 PM
Who managed to get booked AGAIN, and their central midfield substitute nearly scored twice.

McGinn got booked? Must have missed that.

Up to those daft passes, I thought Whelan was having another solid game. Hourihane was the one who had let the game pass him by up to that point. His goal threat was the sole reason he wasn't hooked, almost paid dividends too.

McGinn was superb on the ball when he came in but without it he doesn't have much presence either. Gets caught wrong side far too often and needs to take a share of blame for our sieve like midfield all season. I thought we missed Whelan' s presence in front of back four for last 10 mins.

No idea what BB's remit was when he came in but surely he should have been sitting a bit deeper. In hindsight, Jedinak would have been the better shout.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2019, 08:14:13 PM
I would have started McGinn but understand why he didn’t. Whelan did ok until that spell where he just kept misplacing passes. But up until that point he didn’t do a lot wrong and they never had chances. And with McGinn in the side Gardner got away twice and really should have scored with one of them. So for me it worked out just fine. He came on and when they were tiring provided the energy to help us over the line.

But on the note about his disciplinary issues, he has to cut that out. We all love what he brings but he has to find a way to balance his assets with his over exuberance which gets him into trouble.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on March 11, 2019, 08:24:21 PM
Who managed to get booked AGAIN, and their central midfield substitute nearly scored twice.

McGinn got booked? Must have missed that.

Up to those daft passes, I thought Whelan was having another solid game. Hourihane was the one who had let the game pass him by up to that point. His goal threat was the sole reason he wasn't hooked, almost paid dividends too.

McGinn was superb on the ball when he came in but without it he doesn't have much presence either. Gets caught wrong side far too often and needs to take a share of blame for our sieve like midfield all season. I thought we missed Whelan' s presence in front of back four for last 10 mins.

No idea what BB's remit was when he came in but surely he should have been sitting a bit deeper. In hindsight, Jedinak would have been the better shout.

He got booked for bumping into the full back that had just nearly cut Tammy in half and got away with it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on March 12, 2019, 04:08:41 AM
SJM shouldn't have been booked and Gargoyles 2 chances were from corners or long throws I believe so SJM, or even Whelan when he was on, may not have been responsible for picking him up (I haven't checked how he got so much space for the header but pretty sure the one he lashed over the bar fell to him near Mings or Hause).

Under normal circumstances SJM should have started but Whelan provided a calming level head when it was all kicking off, however he showed how inept he can be with several missed placed passes which could have easily been punished by a better team. It's a nice luxury to be able to bring better players off the bench, but we can't afford to have one of our best players on the bench or played out of position so SJM has to be restored to the lineup at the expense of Whelan, Hourihane, El Ghazi or Adomah.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 12, 2019, 11:10:29 AM
well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it

my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn

nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles

and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players

imo obviously

We kept the team that won convincingly.

McGinn did a good job when he came on, due to the circumstances at the time. No one knows whether he'd have been better off starting, but a win away from home suggests the manager got it right.

It wasn't a big game for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on March 12, 2019, 11:45:29 AM
The midfield that dismantled Derby all deserved a start and equally they deserved to be shuffled when they were losing the battle to the scum. I think Smith got both decisions right.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on March 12, 2019, 11:46:41 AM
well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it

my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn

nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles

and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players

imo obviously

We kept the team that won convincingly.

McGinn did a good job when he came on, due to the circumstances at the time. No one knows whether he'd have been better off starting, but a win away from home suggests the manager got it right.

It wasn't a big game for us.

do you think we should keep the winning team on Wednesday night to keep the roll going
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on March 12, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
Like you John I love McGinn, he's my favourite player in a villa shirt for as long as I can remember. But I accept that the performance against derby was conspicuously our best for months, and it is possible that a team without one of its best players can be better for being more balanced. I expect McGinn to start tomorrow but I can see why he didn't on Sunday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on March 12, 2019, 03:18:34 PM
i think it probably boils down to how you rate the players involved and everyone sees things differently and sometimes i struggle with that and i should no better at my age

i do think McGinn is a very special player, i really do whereas i don't think Whelan is
so there's is no comparison in my view,
i personally would never pick Whelan or any other midfield player for that matter over McGinn apart from Jack because i think he's that good, even when he has a bad game he's better than the rest

but obviously if you don't quite have such a high opinion of Mcginn (admitedly mine is maybe too high) and you think Whelan is more useful than i do then the choice becomes closer, whereas to me its not even close
so i look at it and think there's no choice to be made but others including the manager thinks there is

i must accept that people think differently to me on our players,
i was exactly the same on the Grealish thread a few years ago when he was considered to be lightwieght and not offering much,
i went all over the top defending him because i thought he was fantastic, when in reality he was probably not anywhere near the player he is now

i can be a bit one eyed on stuff so please forgive me for being a bit hot headed on this thread and others
i have to realise not every on sees the game and looks at the players in the same way as i do,
and i can go off on one like a big twat


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: fbriai on March 12, 2019, 03:29:20 PM
No worries, John! Take it easy, mate!

I love McGinn as well - don't we all? He's a fantastic player.

I just thought that, after the Derby game, keeping the same starting line-up was the right thing to do. Everything had worked so seamlessly in that match and Whelan had had a really good game in front of the back-four, so sticking with that team, with the chance to bring McGinn on off the bench on the hour, was, for me, the right way to go.

I think it also sent out a positive message, in that Smith can honestly now look them in the eye and say to them, 'if you perform, you will be given a chance', something he wouldn't have been able to do had he dropped Whelan or Hourihane on the back of the previous performance.

Be interesting to see what he does tomorrow night. I'm sure he will start McGinn, but will he push Whelan or Hourihane to the bench? Think he might stick with Whelan in front of the back four. We'll see. I guess it depends on Whelan's condition as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 12, 2019, 04:25:23 PM
It's about horses for courses. In a normal situation I'd have McGinn and Grealish in every week and pick the third member of our midfield depending on the opposition. But Sunday wasn't normal for a couple of reasons, first the way the team had played in the previous match and second, McGinn's a great player but he's also a booking waiting to happen and that lot would have wound him up into it. Wednesday night will be a different matter, it's our second game in five days so I'd drop Whelan and leave Hourihane or maybe depending on how Forest are lining up under you know who, bring in Jedinak. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on March 12, 2019, 04:34:37 PM
well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it

my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn

nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles

and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players

imo obviously

We kept the team that won convincingly.

McGinn did a good job when he came on, due to the circumstances at the time. No one knows whether he'd have been better off starting, but a win away from home suggests the manager got it right.

It wasn't a big game for us.

do you think we should keep the winning team on Wednesday night to keep the roll going

That depends, do you mean the team that was on the pitch when we scored or the team that started the game?

Also a 1-nil in a game like that doesn't really carry much by way of momentum, a spanking handed out to a team about is where the 3 in midfield all made massive contributions makes it much more difficult to make chances.

Personally I think Whelan struggles to play every weekend let alone midweek as well so  he'd be out for me despite being very good against derby and good in the first half on Sunday. McGinn is the obvious replacement but I'd be a bit nervous about the balance of the midfield, I think we're just too open with CH, SJM and JG.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on March 12, 2019, 08:39:14 PM
Let's not forget that we also have a few options off the bench now with Green, Carroll (if he's fit), BB (working his way back to fitness) and Jedinak...albeit the latter two can both be liabilities at times.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on March 13, 2019, 06:34:30 AM
Has to start v forest

I'd play whelan. Hourihane really struggled against first as DM earlier in the season. Carvalho and Lolley just ran through him

Boro don't have those sort of midfielders so id play hourihane for whelan in that one. He did very well at the Riverside
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 13, 2019, 08:32:23 AM
I think we're just too open with CH, SJM and JG.

I agree, was not the midfield 3 that Forest danced through at will at VP?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2019, 09:38:51 AM
I think we're just too open with CH, SJM and JG.

I agree, was not the midfield 3 that Forest danced through at will at VP?

It was indeed.

I've also just noticed that we're in a run of 4 games where we're playing teams in the same sequence we played them earlier in the season. Derby, then Blose, these, Boro. A very entertaining ten points then, let's make it twelve this time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2019, 11:40:21 AM
i think it probably boils down to how you rate the players involved and everyone sees things differently and sometimes i struggle with that and i should no better at my age

i do think McGinn is a very special player, i really do whereas i don't think Whelan is
so there's is no comparison in my view,
i personally would never pick Whelan or any other midfield player for that matter over McGinn apart from Jack because i think he's that good, even when he has a bad game he's better than the rest

but obviously if you don't quite have such a high opinion of Mcginn (admitedly mine is maybe too high) and you think Whelan is more useful than i do then the choice becomes closer, whereas to me its not even close
so i look at it and think there's no choice to be made but others including the manager thinks there is

i must accept that people think differently to me on our players,
i was exactly the same on the Grealish thread a few years ago when he was considered to be lightwieght and not offering much,
i went all over the top defending him because i thought he was fantastic, when in reality he was probably not anywhere near the player he is now

i can be a bit one eyed on stuff so please forgive me for being a bit hot headed on this thread and others
i have to realise not every on sees the game and looks at the players in the same way as i do,
and i can go off on one like a big twat

We're all the same John.

I think McGinn is fantastic, and has been brilliant since he came. How would you tell the others, after a 3-0 win that they are dropped? In my mind, Whelan retains the ball well, is better than he looks at times and is doing a decent job right now. He isn't explosive, particularly creative or exciting, but he's a decent, solid player that does the job asked of him. Against that lot on Sunday he was a good choice, breaking up play, keeping possession and quietening things down whereas McGinn would have had them baying for more blood.

However, he did what the manager asked when he came on and made a difference when the game was there to be stretched a bit. It worked.

Both teams (i.e. pre and post substitutions) did well on Sunday and depending on the way Smith wants to set up we'll find out tonight. Personally, I'd like Whelan and McGinn in there and Hourihane to have a break.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on March 13, 2019, 10:47:31 PM
Love him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on March 13, 2019, 10:48:55 PM
Me too, so much energy and tenacity.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 14, 2019, 07:01:45 AM
I thought he should have buried that chance that hit the post near the end but otherwise he was immense again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on March 14, 2019, 07:34:37 AM
Great number 7. I bet Ian Taylor loves him too and he's still my favourite player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on March 14, 2019, 08:09:54 AM
said on many occasions he is a very special player

the one thing I can give Bruce a bit of credit for
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on March 14, 2019, 08:36:57 AM
I thought he should have buried that chance that hit the post near the end but otherwise he was immense again.
Pretty tight angle for him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on March 14, 2019, 10:01:18 AM
I said before: he must be horrible to play against.  I love him, so much an integral part of our midfield.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 14, 2019, 10:57:15 AM
I said before: he must be horrible to play against.  I love him, so much an integral part of our midfield.

Totally agree Dave.  One of those players that never lets you have a second's peace. His persistence last night in robbing their defender before scoring was the same as he did against Sheff U in setting up one of the goals.  Him and Grealish are a great pairing, because the combination of Jack's out and out skill and ability to beat a man, and McGinn's sheer unrelenting energy and all round quality mean that defenders and midfielders are getting pulled all over the place.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 14, 2019, 11:04:28 AM
Des Bremner ver2.0. Seems to have come back from suspension with even more energy about him, brilliant.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on March 14, 2019, 11:26:47 AM
Well I'm sure he felt he had a point to prove after not getting straight back in the starting line up on Sunday. He proved it alright. Tremendous player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nastylee on March 14, 2019, 11:06:31 PM
Reminds me a bit of Milner.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mr underhill on March 15, 2019, 08:56:18 AM
50m minimum Brendan.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Le Lapin on March 15, 2019, 09:36:54 AM
Such an important player for us. The difference he makes to us. He gives us cohesian and purpose. Hope we can get another season out of him...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on March 15, 2019, 09:46:36 AM
Such an important player for us. The difference he makes to us. He gives us cohesion and purpose. Hope we can get another season out of him...
Absolutely no reason why not (FFP excepting)  I think it's a very different situation to Jack, he only joined a year ago and I don't see any reason at all why we would feel obliged to let him move on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on March 21, 2019, 07:04:41 PM
Celtic fans rubbishing John McGinn's performance today. Saying he's overrated and glad they didn't sign him!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: p_ad on March 21, 2019, 07:10:48 PM
There's a really big surprise
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on March 21, 2019, 07:14:18 PM
Celtic fans rubbishing John McGinn's performance today. Saying he's overrated and glad they didn't sign him!
Everybodys happy then.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on March 21, 2019, 08:09:53 PM
He plays for Scotland who are even more pish than us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on March 21, 2019, 08:29:30 PM
I'm sure there's no jealousy there at all. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 21, 2019, 09:53:00 PM
The win-win was that he got to play for his country and he didn’t get injured. As for the opinions of Celtic fans, a greater fuck I could not give.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on March 30, 2019, 08:23:31 PM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.

So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again

So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?

 I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.

It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Colhint on March 30, 2019, 08:32:45 PM
Simples just send him out with Hutton on his shirt. They sound similar, Ref books him He turns round shows the number and hutton gets booked
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 30, 2019, 09:08:48 PM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.



Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your deep, remarkable insight.  I'm sure we're all soooooo very grateful for you bringing things to our attention that we hadn't considered.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on March 30, 2019, 10:12:01 PM
That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 30, 2019, 10:19:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Wrighti1/status/1112069369243287552
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on March 30, 2019, 11:41:08 PM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.



Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your deep, remarkable insight.  I'm sure we're all soooooo very grateful for you bringing things to our attention that we hadn't considered.

Chortle.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 31, 2019, 12:23:41 AM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.

So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again

So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?

 I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.

It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!

FS do you actually go to any matches, as a lot of your views are based on hearsay
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on March 31, 2019, 12:30:40 AM
Quote of the day from someone sat behind me:

"Fuck me...McGinn never stops...he's like the Duracell bunny!"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on March 31, 2019, 08:21:03 AM
That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.

In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: XXVilla on March 31, 2019, 08:44:11 AM
That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.

In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.

Didn’t it go out for a throw in?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave P on March 31, 2019, 08:53:10 AM
That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.

In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.

Didn’t it go out for a throw in?

No defiantly a corner.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: XXVilla on March 31, 2019, 08:59:34 AM
That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.

In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.

Didn’t it go out for a throw in?

No defiantly a corner.

Okay thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 31, 2019, 09:17:20 AM
In isolation, winning a corner's hardly something to recall even past leaving the ground. That yesterday, that, that one act was the stuff of legend.

"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2019, 09:21:23 AM
He's the embodiment of the culture Saunders bought to the club, steel, determination, selflessness and quality, something we've seen too little of in my time watching us.

I absolutely love him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on March 31, 2019, 09:26:46 AM
In isolation, winning a corner's hardly something to recall even past leaving the ground. That yesterday, that, that one act was the stuff of legend.

"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."

Couldn’t agree more. That one moment sums up why he is fast becoming a rival for my favourite Villa player of all time ( alongside the legendary Ian Taylor)not because of his talent, although, boy does he have some,  but the sheer desire that he has to win for Aston Villa. On pure footballing intelligence and will to win, as a manager you’d want a team of 11 John McGinns .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on March 31, 2019, 09:28:03 AM
He's the embodiment of the culture Saunders bought to the club, steel, determination, selflessness and quality, something we've seen too little of in my time watching us.

I absolutely love him.

This. Far more eloquently put than I can manage.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on March 31, 2019, 09:32:21 AM
"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."

Ha, ha.

‘He started his dribble from the bar in the Witton Arms son’
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 31, 2019, 09:52:23 AM
The dribble was one thing, his taking one for the team booking equally as good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 31, 2019, 09:55:09 AM
MOTM yesterday and there were plenty of good performers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 31, 2019, 10:14:08 AM
He is absolutely tremendous. That run at the end to win the corner just summed him up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on March 31, 2019, 10:42:32 AM
Can someone clear up bookings/suspension status please? Someone said in a post that he has 12 now and gets 3 matches rest when he gets to 15 however he has recently been out due to accumulated bookings and I thought it all starts again from 0 after a suspension?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Colhint on March 31, 2019, 11:14:09 AM
I think  Des Bremner and Ian Taylor had a baby.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Virgil Caine on March 31, 2019, 12:39:32 PM
Regarding SJM's lung busting run at the end, I was not the only one who stood up and applauded ( in the Directors Box no less, get me) in recognition of the fact that despite him probably being dead on his feet he knew that more time was taken up if he ran, rather than hoofing it. Its that type of determined single mindedness that will see us into the play offs I'm sure. Word up as well for Whelan, absolute quality.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 31, 2019, 12:39:41 PM
There were 2 or 3 times in the 1st half yesterday, where he had the ball in really tight areas and just seemed to power his way through and away from the opposition players. He seems to do this on a match by match basis.

Best allround midfielder in the league for me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on March 31, 2019, 12:58:29 PM
Can someone clear up bookings/suspension status please? Someone said in a post that he has 12 now and gets 3 matches rest when he gets to 15 however he has recently been out due to accumulated bookings and I thought it all starts again from 0 after a suspension?

I'm pretty sure he's at twelve. He had a two game suspension as he accumulated 10 and has been booked at Birmingham and yesterday. I'm interested to know whether the bookings carry on into the playoffs. For example, if he gets his fifteenth booking in the first leg, should we get there, is that him out of the next two games?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on March 31, 2019, 01:37:50 PM
Looking at this the 15 yellows cards cut off date is at the end of the league season and play offs don't count.

http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jul/31/red-yellow-cards-technical-area-2018-19
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 31, 2019, 02:27:47 PM
Reading that, I'm still a bit unsure. I've taken it as further cards aren't accumulated during the play-offs. But if he were to bag a fifteenth yellow against Norwich, he'd be suspended for them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on March 31, 2019, 07:45:57 PM
Reading that, I'm still a bit unsure. I've taken it as further cards aren't accumulated during the play-offs. But if he were to bag a fifteenth yellow against Norwich, he'd be suspended for them.

Yep, if he gets to 14 I'd be tempted to 'rest' him for any games we have left if the playoffs are on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 01, 2019, 12:14:55 AM
Yellow card bans for EFL league games:

5 yellows in the first 19 matches = 1 match suspension
10 yellows in the first 37 matches = 2 match suspension
15 yellows in the whole season = 3 match suspension

I can only presume this means for the 46 league games and does not roll over into the playoffs. There's also a question whether or not an EFL league ban would be enforced in the playoffs as its not really the same competition (as per league bans not being applicable in cup games and vice versa).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2019, 12:17:30 AM
League bans are applicable in cup games, and vice versa.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 01, 2019, 12:27:34 AM
There was a rule change at the start of this season which means yellow cards and bans are competition format specific (ie yellow cards picked up in league and cup games are counted and applied to only the competition they were awarded in so you can't be banned in a cup game from a ban received due to yellow cards in league games).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on April 01, 2019, 12:56:54 AM
In isolation, winning a corner's hardly something to recall even past leaving the ground. That yesterday, that, that one act was the stuff of legend.

"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."

Couldn’t agree more. That one moment sums up why he is fast becoming a rival for my favourite Villa player of all time ( alongside the legendary Ian Taylor)not because of his talent, although, boy does he have some,  but the sheer desire that he has to win for Aston Villa. On pure footballing intelligence and will to win, as a manager you’d want a team of 11 John McGinns .

He's the embodiment of the culture Saunders bought to the club, steel, determination, selflessness and quality, something we've seen too little of in my time watching us.

I absolutely love him.

This. The combination of his tenacity, energy, and a good dose of skill, he really does deserve the Bremner/Taylor #7 shirt of the workhorse. Not only all that, but I’ve just watched every wee SJM video (re-watched some) on the villa YouTube channel. He’s very much like Snodgrass last year, an infectious fun presence, just a really really loveable down to earth personality. I really hope we and he do well enough to keep him for a very long time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2019, 01:26:36 AM
There was a rule change at the start of this season which means yellow cards and bans are competition format specific (ie yellow cards picked up in league and cup games are counted and applied to only the competition they were awarded in so you can't be banned in a cup game from a ban received due to yellow cards in league games).

I stand corrected. Sorry for doubting you. 🙂
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2019, 01:27:24 AM
That was supposed to be a smiley face at the end. The new mobile site obviously doesn't like them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 01, 2019, 02:23:08 AM
No worries CD. I didn't know about the rule change until I Googled it on Saturday night either! :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: boozey182 on April 01, 2019, 11:01:19 AM
I just found myself idly think about John McGinn (I recommend it if you have a spare few minutes) and I think he's been directly involved in 6 of our last 8 goals. All since being recalled to the starting lineup. That's remarkable, really. Having Jack back must be helping no end, but he seems to have added a bit of extra quality to his boundless energy, and that little break has done him the world of good.

As a fan, he's everything you want from a player. He's just brilliant. Never before have I replayed winning a corner in my mind over and over again!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 01, 2019, 05:29:22 PM
That run for the corner was a thing of beauty. As was the fist pump to the Holte immediately after.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on April 01, 2019, 05:36:41 PM
That run for the corner was a thing of beauty. As was the fist pump to the Holte immediately after.
Wonderful, wasn't it? Was getting worried they'd equalise!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 01, 2019, 05:47:07 PM
I had spent ten minutes screaming at them at that point to keep hold of the fucking ball and slow the game down. Then that happened. SJM knows the craic!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Scratchins on April 01, 2019, 06:49:08 PM
Quiz 2029
Q What memorable event happened at Villa Park on 30 March 2019?
A John McGinn won a corner

and everyone who was there remembered it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 01, 2019, 06:56:20 PM
Quiz 2029
Q What memorable event happened at Villa Park on 30 March 2019?
A John McGinn won a corner

and everyone who was there remembered it.

If Carlsberg did "Likes"....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on April 01, 2019, 07:09:53 PM
After some of the absolute shithouses we've had 'playing' for us this last decade or so McGinn has restored some of my faith in professional footballers.He is ace, I fucking love the bloke
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: usav on April 02, 2019, 02:38:10 AM
Had a very brief trip to Edinburgh recently, the taxi driver was a big Hibs fan and could not stop talking about McGinn.  He said a bus load of them were making a trip to Villa Park before the end of the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dr Butler on April 02, 2019, 08:07:17 AM
that run was all we spoke about for 15mins in the car on the way home, I have never seen anything like it.

 I love the way our John plays football....

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: WRVilla on April 02, 2019, 09:11:36 AM
He’s like a throwback to a bygone era, I’ve tried to think of a similar player but I’m struggling. Absolutely love him though. My 6-year old son was always talking about Grealish until a few months ago, now he’s got several players to look up to - McGinn being one of them.

I don’t think we will lose him in the summer whatever league we end up in, if we’re still down in the Championship we will probably need to sell Jack in which case we shouldn’t need to sell John too, surely?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 02, 2019, 09:30:21 AM
Got 19 seconds you need to fill? Why not watch how John McGinn wins a corner (https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1112833264618819587?s=09)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on April 02, 2019, 09:36:12 AM
I don't think that I've ever seen or participated in a standing ovation before for a bloke winning a corner
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on April 02, 2019, 09:41:52 AM
Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment.  Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that.  Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 02, 2019, 11:13:16 AM
Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment.  Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that.  Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.

I love the bloke and all that but steady on - playing well and busting a gut in the Championship vs being a key member of the league and European Cup winning sides!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on April 02, 2019, 01:40:31 PM
Sorry but I disagree.  What SJM did in the final minute of that game showed intelligence and technical nous.  It is possible to be both intelligent and tactically aware no matter what level you play at.  I accept that the higher you go the more proficient the opposition become but my point still stands.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mike on April 02, 2019, 08:15:54 PM
You see, I've spent 50 plus years as a confirmed heterosexual, a choice which I do not believe to be superior to the alternative, merely the one that I have made. Then, Jack Grealish does his thing at St Andrews and I start to doubt myself, now I'm feeling guilty to Jack because I can't help watching John sashay by... And now it's got me remembering just how deeply I still care for Ian Taylor after all these years.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2019, 08:25:35 PM
You see, I've spent 50 plus years as a confirmed heterosexual, a choice which I do not believe to be superior to the alternative, merely the one that I have made.

My Guardian reader cred means I have to point out, it's not a choice being a hetero or homosexual.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: thick_mike on April 03, 2019, 09:30:59 AM
James Milner used to make those runs for us. From defending on the edge of our box to dawdling over a corner at the other end in the 94th minute.

JM2?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mike on April 03, 2019, 09:35:19 AM
You see, I've spent 50 plus years as a confirmed heterosexual, a choice which I do not believe to be superior to the alternative, merely the one that I have made.

My Guardian reader cred means I have to point out, it's not a choice being a hetero or homosexual.

Thank you. I tried to be inclusive and failed. My nephew is gay, which bothers my family not a jot, but we cannot accept him being a Tory.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on April 03, 2019, 10:02:59 AM
Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment.  Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that.  Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.
Seconded, do you think we will hang onto him for next season or given the clubs philosophy changes of increasing value of assets to sell for profit, we’ll sell ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 03, 2019, 12:27:46 PM
He's going nowhere or I'm burning down the stadium.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 03, 2019, 12:43:13 PM
Thou I dont know as many Villa players as our older posters on here , to me he has got to be in my top 5 best value for money player in my time . I look at the likes of Platt , God Mcgrath and Dwight Yorke for me as value for money , not including any of our own youth players.  But SJM has to be in my top 5 already .   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on April 03, 2019, 01:01:18 PM
Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment.  Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that.  Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.
Seconded, do you think we will hang onto him for next season or given the clubs philosophy changes of increasing value of assets to sell for profit, we’ll sell ?

I think CD has answered that one Daz.  SJM has a substantial contract and my gut feeling is that he'll be here for at least another year regardless.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on April 08, 2019, 12:35:43 PM
I really hope we can keep him he's some player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2019, 12:38:05 PM
How many yellows is he on now?

15 and that's a 3 match ban which is a worry as he got to 10 yellows about two months ago. I imagine it will continue in play offs if we make it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Breezeblock on April 08, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
How many yellows is he on now?

15 and that's a 3 match ban which is a worry as he got to 10 yellows about two months ago. I imagine it will continue in play offs if we make it.
He's on 12 according to Whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/318449/Fixtures/John-McGinn)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: exigo on April 08, 2019, 02:17:45 PM
How many yellows is he on now?

15 and that's a 3 match ban which is a worry as he got to 10 yellows about two months ago. I imagine it will continue in play offs if we make it.

Play-off games won't count towards the count (although presumably would towards any ban). The 15 cards limit is until the end of the season.

FA website clicky (http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jul/31/red-yellow-cards-technical-area-2018-19).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard on April 08, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
So he can't get booked more than twice in the last 6 league games. If he does pick up 2 yellows in the next 4 I think he'd have to be rested for the last 2 games !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on April 08, 2019, 03:06:01 PM
Thou I dont know as many Villa players as our older posters on here , to me he has got to be in my top 5 best value for money player in my time . I look at the likes of Platt , God Mcgrath and Dwight Yorke for me as value for money , not including any of our own youth players.  But SJM has to be in my top 5 already .

Those names mentioned produced quality performances when we were up towards the top end of the top flight, so I wouldn't get too carried away just yet!!  One thing I have noticed about McGinn this season though is how good he is at getting his backside into players and rolling them.  He does it really well and gets out of tight areas.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2019, 08:32:59 PM
Ah good to know play offs don't count.

Would certainly rest him if he's on 14 yellows going into last game!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 08, 2019, 08:46:49 PM
Are you 100% sure playoffs don't count? I hope they don't and was looking into this a few weeks ago but couldn't find anything stated specifically...it just sounds like it might do because of reference to "end of season" and yellow cards being competition format specific.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 08, 2019, 09:36:35 PM
He can't accumulate further bookings during the three play-off games, it's explicit about that. Where we all seem to be finding it a bit opaque is whether or not the play-offs constitute a separate competition. I'm going with, they don't. I think if he picks up a fifteenth against Norwich, he's illegible for the play-offs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2019, 09:56:06 PM
Yes from reading what is produced on FA website, he's on 14 yellows and gets booked v Norwich he'd miss play off campaign. 14 and booked v Leeds and he'd miss final game and the two legs in semi final but would be available for possible final.

14 and once in the play offs and he gets booked he'd be available for the next game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 08, 2019, 10:11:24 PM
Ok for clarity, if SJM receives 3 more bookings before the end of the Norwich game then he will be banned for 3 games and miss the playoffs.

It's poorly worded but the following part of the FA link states that cumulative bookings do not apply in play off games:

Quote
Number of cautions    Cut-off date [inclusive]
 Five [Premier League]    Following 19 league fixtures
 Five [EFL]    Following 19 league fixtures
 Five [National League]    Following 23 league fixtures
 10 [Premier League    Following 32 league fixtures
 10 [EFL]    Following 37 league fixtures
 10 [National League]    Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues]    *End of the season**
The remaining competitions will carry suspensions in those competitions only when a player has received two yellow cards in that competition.
N.B. Discipline in the EFL Trophy is competition specific and remains unchanged from last season.
* The FA Women’s Super League does not have cut-off dates. Automatic suspensions for players accumulating 5, 10, 15 cautions etc. will take effect at any stage during the season.
** This does not apply to play-off matches.


We'll need him in all 3 playoff games, so if he gets to 14 yellow cards then he needs to be rested. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on April 10, 2019, 11:54:20 AM
My opinion is that he needs to be rested for the lesser games (as in tonight).
Just can't risk him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: glinch on April 10, 2019, 12:11:17 PM
My opinion is that he needs to be rested for the lesser games (as in tonight).
Just can't risk him

Bigger risk not getting the points.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DennisHodgetts on April 10, 2019, 12:20:00 PM
I favour trying to get a lead tonight then resting him. Perhaps give Angela some time to try and attract a buyer?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nastylee on April 10, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
I think his yellow card situation is more pressing than his health.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on April 10, 2019, 01:35:14 PM
My opinion is that he needs to be rested for the lesser games (as in tonight).
Just can't risk him

Bigger risk not getting the points.

We'll get the points, don't worry :-[
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 10, 2019, 02:54:41 PM


Rest Whelan or Jack if anyone tonight IMHO. Not McGinn, he's not the one that's out of sorts over the last few games
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 10, 2019, 04:19:37 PM
You could name a case to rest Whelan, certainly for one of the Easter double-header. Resting McGinn though in the prime and the form of his career would he mental.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 10, 2019, 04:53:56 PM
I would put him on the bench. bring him on if needed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 10, 2019, 09:46:11 PM
Magnificent performance tonight. Again.

Can you imagine him as a kid? "Time for bed now John. You must be tired." As little Johnny smiles before running around for another 92 continuous hours.

Never ever stops working. Superb.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 10, 2019, 09:47:15 PM
Man of the Match for a change...outstanding tonight. Good job he wasn't rested...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jcsutv on April 10, 2019, 09:48:14 PM
What a player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 10, 2019, 09:48:41 PM
I feel somewhat guilty at having to split my man love between John and Jack.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 10, 2019, 09:49:10 PM
He was completely knackered towards the end and yet kept going. I love him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 10, 2019, 09:50:38 PM
What a bloody player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: charleeco7 on April 10, 2019, 09:52:05 PM
We didn’t have ten men tonight as we still have SJM who is worth two players. What a second half he had.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on April 10, 2019, 09:55:09 PM
What a fucking player this guy is. He's Gareth Barry with a Milner engine.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on April 10, 2019, 09:56:36 PM
Man of the Match for a change...outstanding tonight. Good job he wasn't rested...

This

Superb performance.

Player of the season even when Tammy scores a hat trick in the play off final to beat Leeds😀
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frank black on April 10, 2019, 09:58:50 PM
Some player isn’t he. We missed Whelan today
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Colhint on April 10, 2019, 10:01:29 PM
I'm going to walk his dog and mow his lawn. He shouldn't move a muscle his week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on April 10, 2019, 10:17:23 PM
If Super Jack is worth what, 35 to 50 mill?  What must SJM be worth?  What an amazing player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on April 10, 2019, 10:20:53 PM
Some player isn’t he. We missed Whelan today

Hourihane dead balls were awful. Overall though he did ok
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2019, 10:36:40 PM
McGinn wqas excellent again tonight, and has been brilliant in the run of victories but a big part of it is the partnership with Grealish, the latter just makes gaps and McGinn has the drive, stamina and awareness to use them. Both very good players individually but together they're far too good for this league, get the balance of the midfield around them right and they're easily good enough to take us into the top half of the premier league.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 11, 2019, 01:31:13 AM
Player of the Season. (Unless you're 12 years old).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on April 11, 2019, 01:34:27 AM
I feel somewhat guilty at having to split my man love between John and Jack.

Same, I just left a nice post in the Grealish thread. I love John too 💜
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on April 13, 2019, 11:04:44 AM
This kid is going down in Villa folklore.

Please, please watch this.

https://twitter.com/darbs1962/status/1116979146087858176?s=21
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 13, 2019, 11:07:36 AM
This is even better...

http://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1116996874160963584
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on April 13, 2019, 11:17:13 AM
This is even better...

http://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1116996874160963584
Wonderful isn’t it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 05:29:21 PM
Another booking today, so now only two cards away from a three match ban.  I think Smith is going to have to play this very carefully.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2019, 05:32:36 PM
I'd consider resting him for Bolton, play him in the Millwall game a few days later and then see where we stand and if he gets booked. Has the benefit of lowering the chances of a ban and gives him a rest as we play twice in a few days.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 05:40:01 PM
Makes sense PWS...although I'd be inclined to play him in both the Bolton and Millwall games to make sure we pick up 6pts. He can come off at Bolton once we're 3-0 up! :D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2019, 05:42:25 PM
Makes sense PWS...although I'd be inclined to play him in both the Bolton and Millwall games to make sure we pick up 6pts. He can come off at Bolton once we're 3-0 up! :D

Thing with that is if he gets booked against Bolton it leaves us no wiggle room if we don't win. Any game he plays after that could see him out of x playoff games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 05:43:18 PM
I'm going to walk his dog and mow his lawn. He shouldn't move a muscle his week.

He's already walked it 10 miles and mowed the Villa Park pitch while he was doing it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 13, 2019, 05:43:57 PM
2 yellows off three match ban concerns me.

I'd be resting him if he gets booked in either of the next two.

To win play offs we need him as much as Mings and Grealish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 05:46:07 PM
Yeah I know its a right pickle and we could have done without him picking up that booking today. Bolton got tonked 4-0 by Derby so you'd think we'd have enough without McGinn to get the win and help send them down...but in Deano we trust :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2019, 05:46:57 PM
Bolton is as close to a gimme as you can probably get given the mess they are in which is why that's the one i'd rest him for. We can still bring him on if needed and still have Millwall a few days later. I agree that we need to have him for all the play-offs which is why I wouldn't be risking it unless we have no choice.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on April 13, 2019, 05:54:09 PM
I thought John was on 14 bookings now?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 13, 2019, 05:54:38 PM
I thought John was on 14 bookings now?

13.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 06:10:17 PM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.

So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again

So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?

 I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.

It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!


Brilliant player but as I say it's annoying his discipline.
I already flagged this up at 12 bookings as many seem unaware.
So what was he booked for this time?
I asked on 12 bookings if was necessary his booking? No one deemed comment
And now I flag at 13 bookings and that he has got 4 matches regular season and another 2 matches before potential play off final. Not to receive any cautions .
And if he gets booked 2 more times he will miss 3 matches. Which I said before and was part of the reason I had to highlight.

So as I say Smith must be frustrated with this as Mcginn has by his own combative style and stupidity petulance at times- brings a difficult situation.
It's a major concern that SJM will be having a 3 match ban . I wonder if engineer this sooner rather than later . (I don't like that sort of skullduggery personally)
The matches and maths don't go. And its becoming a disastrous reality he'll miss at least one match of the playoffs!

I feel this scenario should have been prevented
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 06:23:18 PM
We are all fully aware of McGinns booking issue footyskillz. It's also worth mentioning that it is believed that his booking won't roll over to the playoff-semis if we get there so it is understood that he only has 4 games to avoid 2 more bookings...I hope we're not wrong on that one but it seems correct reading the FA and EFL rules.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2019, 06:30:24 PM
We win 8 in a row for the first time in over 40 years and all you can do is moan about McGinn getting booked. Fuck me you're a bundle of fucking laughs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 06:30:36 PM
We're fully aware of the booking situation you self-important, boring arse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 06:38:37 PM
I'm in business of winning and seeing bigger pictures.
I suggest you recognize that it's a full season. Not an 8 match season
Yes 8 out of 8 is unbelievable !! Bloody super !
However our almighty leader and coach extrodinare Dean Smith would have same attitude -that have to focus on all things .

Anyway who wants to read the same stuff over and over again as we all aware that the mighty villa have won 8 out of 8.

I take your point though !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on April 13, 2019, 06:51:46 PM
I'm in business of winning and seeing bigger pictures.

Howling
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2019, 06:52:47 PM
I'm surprised you can see anything you're so far up your own arse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on April 13, 2019, 06:53:39 PM
Do cards obtained in the regular season apply in the playoffs?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KevinGage on April 13, 2019, 06:55:22 PM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.

So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again

So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?

 I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.

It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!


Brilliant player but as I say it's annoying his discipline.
I already flagged this up at 12 bookings as many seem unaware.
So what was he booked for this time?
I asked on 12 bookings if was necessary his booking? No one deemed comment
And now I flag at 13 bookings and that he has got 4 matches regular season and another 2 matches before potential play off final. Not to receive any cautions .
And if he gets booked 2 more times he will miss 3 matches. Which I said before and was part of the reason I had to highlight.

So as I say Smith must be frustrated with this as Mcginn has by his own combative style and stupidity petulance at times- brings a difficult situation.
It's a major concern that SJM will be having a 3 match ban . I wonder if engineer this sooner rather than later . (I don't like that sort of skullduggery personally)
The matches and maths don't go. And its becoming a disastrous reality he'll miss at least one match of the playoffs!

I feel this scenario should have been prevented


What worthy insight to quote yourself on. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

You certainly make me think.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 06:58:27 PM
Do cards obtained in the regular season apply in the playoffs?

From the interpretation of the FA rules, it is believed that they don't as it states that cumulative bookings do not apply in play off games:
Quote
Number of cautions    Cut-off date [inclusive]
 Five [Premier League]    Following 19 league fixtures
 Five [EFL]    Following 19 league fixtures
 Five [National League]    Following 23 league fixtures
 10 [Premier League    Following 32 league fixtures
 10 [EFL]    Following 37 league fixtures
 10 [National League]    Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues]    *End of the season**
The remaining competitions will carry suspensions in those competitions only when a player has received two yellow cards in that competition.
N.B. Discipline in the EFL Trophy is competition specific and remains unchanged from last season.
* The FA Women’s Super League does not have cut-off dates. Automatic suspensions for players accumulating 5, 10, 15 cautions etc. will take effect at any stage during the season.
** This does not apply to play-off matches.

If that is correct, then his current bookings will not rollover into playoffs, however he could miss playoff games if he hits the 15 match quota within the next 4 games. That's my understanding of it anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kieron on April 13, 2019, 07:15:20 PM
A question for the elder Villa folk on here:

I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.

Does he have any similarities to players of past?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2019, 07:20:19 PM
I'm surprised you can see anything you're so far up your own arse.

Like
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on April 13, 2019, 07:25:22 PM
A question for the elder Villa folk on here:

I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.

Does he have any similarities to players of past?

I'm struggling to think of anyone with a better engine.  Frank Carrodus, Des Bremner, Bruce Rioch all had superb engines as did Sid Cowans but this lad seems to me to be ahead of them.  It's all relative of course, different era's, different training methods, eating habits, pitches etc.  SJM has the abilty to go a very long way in this game, I just hope it's with us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on April 13, 2019, 07:26:38 PM
Hi kieron.  Alex Cropley was good, and Sid of course and Des Bremner.  Georgie Boateng had the same sort of engine, Gaz Baz had the same sort of arse but (holds nose) Platty was the closest IMO to being the overall driving force JMG is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 13, 2019, 07:26:43 PM
A question for the elder Villa folk on here:

I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.

Does he have any similarities to players of past?

I'm struggling to think of anyone with a better engine.  Frank Carrodus, Des Bremner, Bruce Rioch all had superb engines as did Sid Cowans but this lad seems to me to be ahead of them.  It's all relative of course, different era's, different training methods, eating habits, pitches etc.  SJM has the ability to go a very long way in this game, I just hope it's with us.

Des Bremner comes close.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 07:27:46 PM
Reminds me of Milner with Barrys arse...but he's got a unique head down style and never seen a player like him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on April 13, 2019, 07:27:54 PM
£25 million player at current values.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on April 13, 2019, 07:31:40 PM
He is unique. A mixture of Bremner, Barry and Milner.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 07:38:03 PM
Milner had a similarly good engine, but he didn't have the terrier-like tenacity that McGinn has.  To quote KRS above, the closest players would be Barry and Milner, with a touch of Ian Taylor possibly.  They were all better than McGinn in some ways (Milner and Taylor goal scoring and tackling, Barry passing) but none of them had his sheer dynamism.  I think he can only get better as well.  Hopefully if we go up, we'll keep him and Grealish, and add a quality midfield general type to complement them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 07:39:26 PM
£25 million player at current values.

And the rest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: London Villan on April 13, 2019, 07:39:30 PM
He will be at home in the Premier League, hopefully with us or giving us £25m to play with.

I love him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2019, 07:39:30 PM
We all love McGinn but bear in mind all of those Villa legends did it in the PL or at least at the top level of game in their generation. A much higher standard and like Jack I would like to see if they are able to replicate and elevate their game at a higher level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 13, 2019, 07:42:12 PM
£25 million player at current values.

And the rest.

Absolutely. That would only buy one of the McGinn twins.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 07:43:52 PM
Eric McGinn-McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on April 13, 2019, 07:50:44 PM
Cowans was unique in my opinion: although slight, he had incredible tenacity, vision and scoring ability.
Bremner was simply an engine: he broke up play and did the simple things brilliantly (but I don’t think he would have done what McGinn did in the corner in the last few minutes today).
Platt was no ball winner but knew when to move and where to move to, at exactly the right time. He read the game well.

McGinn could be a legend in the game ... and I wouldn’t want to label him in any way, relative to other players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa75 on April 13, 2019, 08:14:20 PM
Pound for pound, the best player we have signed in many, many years.

We would probably have to go back to the likes of Platt and Yorke, to compare value for money. Unless I'm forgetting anyone?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jwarry on April 13, 2019, 08:24:36 PM
Pound for pound, the best player we have signed in many, many years.

We would probably have to go back to the likes of Platt and Yorke, to compare value for money. Unless I'm forgetting anyone?

No you’re not, an absolute steal
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 08:40:19 PM
Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jwarry on April 13, 2019, 08:43:19 PM
Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph

Disagree he’s miles better than the snake
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 08:46:58 PM
Some great value players over the years, based on the criteria of being cheap and excellent.  Obviously we've had other good players like Mellberg, but he wasn't dirty cheap.

Paul McGrath
Shaun Teale
Mark Delaney
Alan Wright
Gareth Southgate
Ian Taylor
Nolberto Solano

McGinn looks to be the first bargain in a very long time.  We've mostly had free/cheap and crap, or expensive and a total waste of money.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: XXVilla on April 13, 2019, 08:47:56 PM
Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph

Disagree he’s miles better than the snake

Amen to that brother
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 08:49:09 PM
Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph

Disagree he’s miles better than the snake

More reference to similarities than who is better.
Left footed.
Drives with ball
Tackles , fouls and cards
Committed and passionate player.
Solid and energetic.
There are similarities by comparison both are actually rather unique.
Mcginn is abundance of joy I just hope he doesn't get any more bookings somehow ?!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: XXVilla on April 13, 2019, 08:51:29 PM
I think with the way he plays he’s prone to bookings. It’s just his game. It might be something we’re just going to have to live with.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 09:11:39 PM
Brad Friedel I always thought was a value signing

But John McGinn has proved something outstanding both for value and actual impact and play. A cheap transfer that actually came off !!
To recall such nonsense value no marks that we usually get for 2million in last 10 makes Mcginn even more special for me.
The scot is the value signing of a midfielder position I'm certain .
The likes of el hamadi ,Sylla and Westwood all around 2million similar fee.

Think we spent double or triple  the money of mcginn fee on likes of Tshibola, Jean Makon II , Reo Coker (wasn't he like 9 or 10million?)

Lansbury was proven in championship and he cost about 4 mil with a big wage .

The fee villa paid make it even sweeter and makes up for all those poor midfielder moves and attempts at the similar 2m fee players who have nothing on impact mcginn has made

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on April 13, 2019, 11:35:10 PM
I assume he doesn't drive and just runs home?

The effort is phenomenal. I thought I was a bit long in the tooth to idolise a modern day footballer, but that's changed with this fella.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 13, 2019, 11:41:35 PM
A question for the elder Villa folk on here:

I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.

Does he have any similarities to players of past?

He does remind me a lot of Milner in a) the sheer amount of ground he covers over the 90 minutes and b) also the type if you play him wider he'd do a good job for the team I reckon.

And of course he's Gareth Barry's twin for the lovely sticking his arse in to win a 50/50 challenge.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 14, 2019, 12:22:32 AM
Well he averages 1 every 3 matches.
And as say if he gets 15 bookings then he gonna be suspended for 3 matches and play off matches count as part of it. I won't highlight it again but feel need to make it abuduntantly clear as people seemed to debate it! And also not acknowledge that he picks up too many yellows
So for all his amazing contribution Mcginn he's spoiling himself with the bookings
He's had 2 suspension this season already.
The play offs are part of the season anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't get it !
The threshold is there and those are the rules. I don't understand  why people think they  would they be wiped out just because team reaches play off. It's part of the playing season!! 

So let's have it right and not misinterpret and its why I mentioned the thing in the first place . Why would I make such a point otherwise. Unbelievable
 
Say he gets booked next two matches
Bolton
Millwall

Then he suspended
Leeds
Norwich
Semi final leg
-------------------------------
Eligible for
Semi final leg
Final

If he gets just one booking in next 2 matches hes therefor at risk of missing more .of crucial play offs

I won't ever mention this again until it happens. Only based on fact he can't help getting booked
I will shhh now on bookings subject .
Debate or ignore all you like but I posted for good reason !

Other than that the guy is a perfect player! And an absolute joy with bundles of energy !
I hope he plays more wisely to prevent the very likely scenario of suspension.
Thats all
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on April 14, 2019, 12:25:29 AM
I thought someone suggested that the play off games do not count in terms of serving a suspension, unless a player got sent off?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on April 14, 2019, 12:28:19 AM
McGinn gets booked? I never noticed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on April 14, 2019, 01:24:14 AM
When 6 minutes of extra time was called everyone around me was like, "WTF?! 6 minutes?!"

We needn't have worried with SJM on the case. That bit at the end when he received the ball in the box and thought "nah, I'll just take it to the corner flag".

Taking the piss big time. Love it!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CpF on April 14, 2019, 04:50:49 AM
He's like a playmaking, goal scoring defensive midfielder with a winning, team mentality. Thank you Hibs. You was robbed, but thank you.

We just have to go up. Grealish and McGinn in the same PL team at the same time is too great an opportunity to miss. With one or two equally astute additions we would be a force to be reckoned with up there. And no chance of keeping either of them if we're not up, they're way too good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 14, 2019, 07:03:37 AM
This is even better...

http://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1116996874160963584

My four year old was singing the McGinn song yesterday. I will try to get a video of him later.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 14, 2019, 07:10:37 AM
I'm going to walk his dog and mow his lawn. He shouldn't move a muscle his week.

He's already walked it 10 miles and mowed the Villa Park pitch while he was doing it.

Like. It is the return of the James Milner's Awesomeness thread!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 14, 2019, 07:24:28 AM
Well he averages 1 every 3 matches.
And as say if he gets 15 bookings then he gonna be suspended for 3 matches and play off matches count as part of it. I won't highlight it again but feel need to make it abuduntantly clear as people seemed to debate it! And also not acknowledge that he picks up too many yellows
So for all his amazing contribution Mcginn he's spoiling himself with the bookings
He's had 2 suspension this season already.
The play offs are part of the season anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't get it !
The threshold is there and those are the rules. I don't understand  why people think they  would they be wiped out just because team reaches play off. It's part of the playing season!! 

So let's have it right and not misinterpret and its why I mentioned the thing in the first place . Why would I make such a point otherwise. Unbelievable
 
Say he gets booked next two matches
Bolton
Millwall

Then he suspended
Leeds
Norwich
Semi final leg
-------------------------------
Eligible for
Semi final leg
Final

If he gets just one booking in next 2 matches hes therefor at risk of missing more .of crucial play offs

I won't ever mention this again until it happens. Only based on fact he can't help getting booked
I will shhh now on bookings subject .
Debate or ignore all you like but I posted for good reason !

Other than that the guy is a perfect player! And an absolute joy with bundles of energy !
I hope he plays more wisely to prevent the very likely scenario of suspension.
Thats all

Seeing as you keep going on about it and repeating yourself, do you think any yellow cards picked up in the two playoff semi-final games would be included in the “season” and be added to his existing 13 bookings (ie let’s say he has 14 after the Norwich game, and he gets booked in the second leg, then would he be banned for the final?). The understanding on here as stated in the FA rules is that the final game of the season is the Norwich game, and any bookings received in the playoff games wouldn’t be added to any existing number of bookings.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on April 14, 2019, 08:07:52 AM
I think his efforts on Weds night caught up with him a bit yesterday as he was on the periphery of the game for long periods, until the last 10 mins when, yet again, he seemed to find a burst of energy and was immense. Brilliant game management from him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on April 14, 2019, 08:21:49 AM
Can someone please give a final answer on this McGinn booking situation. Is there a clean slate for the play offs or not? He so important that we really can’t take any risks on this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on April 14, 2019, 08:40:19 AM
Hes got two to play with anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 09:14:43 AM
Can someone please give a final answer on this McGinn booking situation. Is there a clean slate for the play offs or not? He so important that we really can't take any risks on this.


Yes, he can be banned for the play-offs. But no, he can't be banned during the play-offs (unless he gets sent off, obviously).

Gets to 15 any time before the final whistle vs Norwich, he's out for three games, be that play-offs or the start of 19/20.

After that whistle, the slate is wiped clean, and he'll be free to get himself booked in each of the play-off games without fear of immediate suspension.

After the end of the play-off final, any soiled slates get another wipe, ready for next season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on April 14, 2019, 09:41:04 AM
Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 14, 2019, 09:45:17 AM
Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.

Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.

I'd rest him on Friday as well
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 14, 2019, 09:54:42 AM
Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.

Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.

I'd rest him on Friday as well
That was how I saw it too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on April 14, 2019, 09:57:21 AM
Is he on 13 bookings?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 14, 2019, 10:08:02 AM
Is he on 13 bookings?

No idea. Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 14, 2019, 10:12:34 AM
Is he on 13 bookings?

No idea. Why didn't Barry take the penalty?

A) Does he have a release clause, and

B) Could it start a bidding war?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mr underhill on April 14, 2019, 10:18:44 AM
only if someone bids more than the release clause!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on April 14, 2019, 10:24:28 AM
Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.

Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.

I'd rest him on Friday as well
No. If we left him at home he will run after the coach all the way to Bolton and end up knackering himself for Monday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Diablo on April 14, 2019, 10:27:04 AM
Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.

Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.

I'd rest him on Friday as well
Fitness/niggles etc permitting I'd probably go the other way and have SJM play the next two games to try to get the points on the board and then rest him. I know the games missed with that theory would be harder games on paper but depending on other results we should have a pretty good idea where we are after this coming weekend. If other results go our way and we can get 2 wins we will be there or there abouts ;-). 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on April 14, 2019, 10:35:25 AM
I’d do the same, play him now but as soon as he gets to 14 bookings take him out and rest him. We simply cannot be without him for the play offs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on April 14, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
If he did get booked would it be worth getting a second yellow in the same game and taking the one match ban for the red card?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 10:49:32 AM
I've a feeling it'd be worse, they'd be consecutive and accumulative, not concurrent. He'd miss 4.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 14, 2019, 10:56:43 AM
Cropley, Bremner and Milner mix
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 14, 2019, 10:58:01 AM
Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over?  This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 14, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
Exclusive footage of SJM heading back to Glasgow after a day's training at BH

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Sqc3POpzkj5r8SQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on April 14, 2019, 11:00:18 AM
Run John Run.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on April 14, 2019, 11:05:52 AM
Perhaps we should buy him a house in Nelson St. (and no running ten times round Aston Park to get there).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 14, 2019, 11:48:18 AM
Even though I believe it to be case before being presented with this I can see why it's confusing .
And even though English isn't my first language I'm  understanding R&Rs are stating cut off dates and when they are .

Therefor cut off dates for 15 yellow cards end of season ** do not apply to play offs . So I read this simply as saying end of season is the cut off point for disciplinary sanctions but the asterisk implies that= clubs which are involved in play off matches bookings incurred will count.

So I read it as the **does not apply to mean the cut off does not apply to play off matches so they are all included .
Which means no clean slate for clubs players till the play offs are over for them


It's poorly worded but the following part of the FA link states that cumulative bookings do not apply in play off games:

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Number of cautions    Cut-off date [inclusive]
 Five [Premier League]    Following 19 league fixtures
 Five [EFL]    Following 19 league fixtures
 Five [National League]    Following 23 league fixtures
 10 [Premier League    Following 32 league fixtures
 10 [EFL]    Following 37 league fixtures
 10 [National League]    Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues]    *End of the season**
The remaining competitions will carry suspensions in those competitions only when a player has received two yellow cards in that competition.
N.B. Discipline in the EFL Trophy is competition specific and remains unchanged from last season.
* The FA Women’s Super League does not have cut-off dates. Automatic suspensions for players accumulating 5, 10, 15 cautions etc. will take effect at any stage during the season.
** This does not apply to play-off matches.



As I said previous I don't want to harp on the whole point was to make aware the threat is real. We'll just see shall we ? I mean I like to think I knowledge on what goes on and share it accurately where I can but I thought only decent to reply with my thoughts on the official document which was kindly posted.
So no more from me till necessary on when the threshold is for disciplinary matter and will meet if it comes to it.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on April 14, 2019, 11:58:16 AM
I thought you'd gone
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2019, 12:11:22 PM
I hoped he'd gone.  He seems to be labouring under the misapprehension that he's the only person on the site who has realised that McGinn is in danger of another ban.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 14, 2019, 12:16:28 PM
Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.

Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.

I'd rest him on Friday as well

This is the other issue I'm trying to highlight and debate outside of all the great stuff because it's not being mentioned and that is mcginn and discipline in general.

Divine retribution

After Grealish who has been fouled 133 times Mcginn 103 fouled is the 2nd most fouled player in the league (10 more than next Harry Wilson)

So though the refs are sub standard in this league and that those are the only legitimate fouls our Mcginn has had officially been fouled 2.8 times a match. I think every game players have hacked away at him.
I really think could be a case the less protection he's had plus him being in combative midfield has led him to pick up all these yellow cards

On his bookings he has been booked for fouls on all occasion bar one where it was adjudicated to have been unsporting behaviour.

Now getting more an understanding and it's frustrating that he's getting booked perhaps when opposition players have had made more fouls against  him!
I think it's some of these refs way of levelling it out as Mcginn far too good a midfielder and he's joint 3rd with Barry bannan and Sam morsey(Wigan fouler! Fouls way more than he gets fouled against) on yellow cards .
Jack Colback and Ben Pearson are top on 14 yellows who are both fouling footballers and have worse disciplinary that Mcginn (not mention abilitiy)
As a central midfielder plays are going to be in combat but Mcginn unlike these other card collectors above him has been fouled over 100 times this season but only fouled opposition 57 times .
Jack Colback most yellows has been fouled 81 times and given 75 fouls away this could go some way to explaining how he gives a bit back but when Mcginn does half the fouls against him 57 to fouled 103 he's been carded nearly as much .

I think this is why SJM gets booked because He is being fouled too much every match illegal and not having the free kick.
The refs don't protect him enough in that midfield.
He's blatantly far too class a player so opposition have to foul to stop him
He's a little awks on his technics at tackling
He combative and feels he should be allowed to get stuck in but is not equally treated yet gets booked!!

Those are my facts, points and thoughts .


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 14, 2019, 12:25:12 PM
I hoped he'd gone.  He seems to be labouring under the misapprehension that he's the only person on the site who has realised that McGinn is in danger of another ban.
I think your ll find rene risso I'm highlighting the fact mcginn can miss some or all of the play off matches as the cut off does not apply to play off matches therefor mcginn can be suspended at any time for 3 games until play offs are over . That's it not mentioning til deemed necessary.

Though developing things I gave some thought as to why mcginn is getting cautioned  no one else has done that. Not saying people don't realize these things but am bringing to attention and some frankly won't be aware so I'm doing a good service .  Pioneering ideas and bring it to one another's thinking is what I do . 
Stop trying to stop my disservices to the site. I think I brought up very good point to why mcginn has 13 yellow cards actually !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on April 14, 2019, 12:29:59 PM
Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over?  This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21

It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villan For Life on April 14, 2019, 12:37:00 PM
It’s like the nutter on the bus and the boring bloke in the pub rolled into one.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 12:44:08 PM
Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over?  This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21

It was very satisfying wasn't it.

It's on the YouTube highlights. Superb!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on April 14, 2019, 01:20:07 PM
I think John McGinn is ace. He has 13 bookings but I don't care as there is nothing I can do about it. I'm off now, and you will not hear from me until my next post.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 14, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over?  This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21

It was very satisfying wasn’t it.

Many thanks.  It was glorious, great shame the keeper managed to keep it out - presumably one of the shots 'straight at him' according to some on here!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2019, 02:23:45 PM
It was a very good effort, but when a keeper doesn't have to move to his left or right at all to make a save, surely by definition it's "straight at him"?  That's not to devalue it at all though, it was a fierce strike with very little time for the keeper to react.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 14, 2019, 03:08:36 PM
Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over?  This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21

It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
Ooooh that deserves a goal...great save from their keeper again, but I keep watching it on repeat and hope it goes in! :D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on April 14, 2019, 03:12:19 PM
I think John McGinn is ace. He has 13 bookings but I don't care as there is nothing I can do about it. I'm off now, and you will not hear from me until my next post.
Can't you at least wait till his next booking?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 14, 2019, 03:26:16 PM
Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over?  This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.

I think he should have passed it.

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21

It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
Ooooh that deserves a goal...great save from their keeper again, but I keep watching it on repeat and hope it goes in! :D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 03:32:48 PM
Not wishing to deflect from the love in, but if he'd laid it off, El Ghazi could've just rolled it in the bottom corner.

Just saying, like.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 14, 2019, 03:41:03 PM
I think you mean the square ball to Davis? ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on April 14, 2019, 03:52:02 PM
Sometimes I also get confused between El Ghazi and Davis when I am cleaning my glasses.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 03:58:16 PM
I meant El Ghazi. In all the excitement I'd not spotted Davis!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 14, 2019, 08:53:53 PM
This should clear up McGinn card-gate once and for all courtesy of BMail (https://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/explained-john-mcginn-could-miss-16127705.amp):

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Explained: Why John McGinn could miss ALL of Aston Villa's playoff charge

The AVFC midfielder has had a stunning first season in English football

Although Jack Grealish has claimed all of the Aston Villa plaudits in recent weeks, it is his midfield partner that has continued to flourish.

John McGinn has enjoyed a near perfect start to life south of the border, after his move to Villa from Hibernian last summer.

Celtic were also keen on the Scotland international and his super Championship performances have made it clear to see why.

He has become influential in Dean Smith's side, scoring four and creating two in his last six games.

Despite that, Villa may have to go into the playoffs without the 24-year-old.

One slight blot on McGinn's copybook has been his unerring ability to pick up yellow cards.

His caution against Bristol City was his 13th of the campaign. He has already served a two match suspension for reaching 10 yellows but the fate for hitting 15 could be a lot more severe.

The FA regulations stipulate that should a player reach 15 yellow cards before the end of the season, they would face a three game absence.

Should McGinn pick up two more yellow cards, he will face a three game ban that will carry on into the end of season playoffs.


An EFL spokesperson has told BirminghamLive: "Bookings in the Play-Offs don’t count towards a suspension but bookings in League matches leading up to the Play-Offs do. Therefore if a player was to accumulate a 15th yellow card on the final day of the season they would then miss the entire Play-Off campaign (if their team was to make the Play-Off Final)."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on April 14, 2019, 09:31:39 PM
Pisser. Be tempted to bench him for the next couple only to be brought on if we’re desperate.

We absolutely need him the playoffs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nastylee on April 14, 2019, 10:28:27 PM
Deffo need this situation to be managed. We have enough cover in midfield to go to Bolton and Milwall at home without risking our best player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on April 14, 2019, 10:47:00 PM
Yep we should be able to cement a playoff place without him against them, but if not he’ll have had a rest ahead of games against Leeds and Norwich which will have become shit or bust anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on April 14, 2019, 10:51:02 PM
Well as its a potential 3 game ban he can play against Bolton, then if he picks up a booking we pull him out and rest him till the play offs. No booking and he plays the next game. But as soon as he gets a booking he gets subbed so not to risk it. Simple isn't it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TaxDodger on April 14, 2019, 10:57:06 PM
I'd be more inclined to play him until he gets one more booking then leave him out until the play offs. We'll piss Bolton and Millwall with him playing, which should be enough to guarantee the top 6.

I can see why it's tempting to leave him on the bench against Bolton though, particularly if Grealish is back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on April 14, 2019, 11:09:55 PM
Play him on Friday. If he doesn’t get booked, play him on Monday. If he does, lock him in a cupboard until the play offs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on April 14, 2019, 11:26:27 PM
I guess the point is to do you still play him against teams we should beat without him or use him to minimise risk of unexpectedly dropping points and risk another card that all but rules him out of the remaining games unless we get desperate.

Personally, given last few games and particularly Rotherham I’d like him to be rested soon anyway as he probably needs it. To me he looked a bit off it on Saturday, until the end when we were defending the 1 goal lead, by his own ridiculous standards.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: walsall villain on April 14, 2019, 11:28:52 PM
Play him on Friday. If he doesn’t get booked, play him on Monday. If he does, lock him in a cupboard until the play offs.
That’s what I reckon Smith will do
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on April 14, 2019, 11:34:18 PM
What does a one match ban for a red do to the tally? Might have a plan involving alioski...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on April 15, 2019, 12:35:40 AM
Pisser. Be tempted to bench him for the next couple only to be brought on if we’re desperate.

We absolutely need him the playoffs.

But isn’t this good news, clarification/confirmation that a booking once in the playoffs won’t add to the count. It’s certainly good news that we won’t need to keep discussing it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 15, 2019, 03:13:16 AM
Yep thank f**k that’s finally cleared up so we can get on with our lives and look forward to supporting all the Villa boys in the playoffs.

Making sure we bag the next 6pts is what’s most important at this stage and he will have recovered by Friday, so don’t take any risks and play him until he gets booked again.

All being well, we may well have secured our playoff spot by the time we play Leeds or Norwich, so I’d certainly be resting/protecting Jack, SJM and Tammy for those games as a precaution if we have that luxury option.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: nigel on April 15, 2019, 08:17:41 AM
I'd certainly rest players vrs Leeds as it's possible we could face them in the play offs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 15, 2019, 02:58:37 PM
What would happen if he got a red (for two yellows) in the next game

Does he then only miss the next game (Millwall)

Maybe if we were 2/3 up against Bolton then should we play / bend the rules?

I know it is not in the spirit of the game but what the hell
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2019, 03:07:35 PM
I may be wrong but I think it might a ban for the yellows and another for the red. So 4 games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Legion on April 15, 2019, 03:18:54 PM
It’s like the nutter on the bus and the boring bloke in the pub rolled into one.

This.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 15, 2019, 03:43:16 PM
From the days of yore, I'm sure I remember a situation where someone spent a game trying to get themselves sent off so's they wouldn't miss The Cup Final, or something along those lines. Did it happen? Anyone else recall the suchlike? Was it Bryan Robson?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 15, 2019, 04:09:37 PM
Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 15, 2019, 04:22:55 PM
From the days of yore, I'm sure I remember a situation where someone spent a game trying to get themselves sent off so's they wouldn't miss The Cup Final, or something along those lines. Did it happen? Anyone else recall the suchlike? Was it Bryan Robson?

Steve Foster.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 15, 2019, 04:24:57 PM
I remember Villa players, possibly Ehiogu and Staunton, getting themselves booked so as to miss a league game and be back for a League Cup Final.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kieron on April 15, 2019, 04:50:38 PM
Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?


It's his nick name. Meatball head.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tom Stewart on April 15, 2019, 05:10:59 PM
Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?


It's his nick name. Meatball head.

Yep, big meatball-like head & small features, if you look at him closely.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2019, 05:54:35 PM
I remember Villa players, possibly Ehiogu and Staunton, getting themselves booked so as to miss a league game and be back for a League Cup Final.

Andy Townsend said Dalian once got himself booked so he could have Boxing Day off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on April 15, 2019, 06:34:08 PM
International-wise, Beckham against wales rings a bell.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 15, 2019, 06:34:34 PM
I remember Villa players, possibly Ehiogu and Staunton, getting themselves booked so as to miss a league game and be back for a League Cup Final.
One of them was Savo, he deliberately kicked the ball away, at Liverpool when we went 0-3 down in about five minutes a couple of weeks before the League Cup Final.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JJ-AV on April 15, 2019, 07:44:00 PM
We all dream of a team of John McGinn’s!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 05:27:24 AM
Apparently a singer/songwriter has produced a new song for SJM. From what I’ve heard of it, it sounds god awful. When will ppl learn that these recorded songs never work and won’t be adopted or sung by the fans. I reserve the right to take that back if it catches on! :D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on April 16, 2019, 06:30:35 AM
Is it the person who did

?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 16, 2019, 06:34:54 AM
Can't we request the bookings be split between the two John McGinn's?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 07:56:06 AM
Is it the person who did?
Thankfully not. Is that the one they played and had us all cringing to at the Cup Final?

It’s someone called Emma Flowers and it’s “taken Twitter by storm” according to BMail (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/walking-mcginn-incredible-aston-villa-16131372.amp)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 16, 2019, 08:00:47 AM
Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?


It's his nick name. Meatball head.

Yep, big meatball-like head & small features, if you look at him closely.

Suspected that - thanks for confirming. UTV
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2019, 08:24:49 AM
Nothing could be worse than the 'Championee' (?) dirge.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on April 16, 2019, 08:35:08 AM
Is it the person who did

?

Monumentally shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2019, 08:43:15 AM
I raise you with:

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 09:21:02 AM
Please make it stop! :D

What’s really worrying is that at some point, these ppl have said to themselves “Ooooh I’ve got a great idea for a Villa song”, recorded it, then said “Ooooh that sounds really good”, and then released their fuck nugget monstrosity onto the general public.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on April 16, 2019, 12:28:00 PM
The walking with McGinn is a piss take started by Jimmy Hessel on Twitter and I think it's pretty funny.

This was the first video and it took off from there...
https://twitter.com/JimmyHessel/status/1116103437622624256

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tuscans on April 16, 2019, 04:59:25 PM
If McGinn was to pick up 2 yellows the next game and was sent off, would that mean...15 yellow cards - 3 game ban ON TOP of a 1 game ban for a red? Meaning missing the next 3 league matches and the first leg of the play off?

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 16, 2019, 05:17:39 PM
If this was Bruce he would be talking about Forestieri being in danger of picking up his 1st yellow card.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 16, 2019, 06:11:45 PM
If McGinn was to pick up 2 yellows the next game and was sent off, would that mean...15 yellow cards - 3 game ban ON TOP of a 1 game ban for a red? Meaning missing the next 3 league matches and the first leg of the play off?
That is a fascinating question but scary concept!
When a player  is sent off for 2 yellows that doesn't add to the yellow card amount of season it's just marked as red card.
So mcginn red against Bolton would read 13 yellows and 1 red and not a feared and ghastly I'll displined 15 and 1 red 

I don't see Mcginn the type to get red cards despite all his caution this season .57 fouls made  (he's been fouled 103 times!)

We know a sending off from to 2 yellow cards in match is a 1 match ban
Or a straight red card received for a professional foul.
That's what mcginn mostly gets cautioned for and he miss a game

He's not big on a dissenter but if he got a 2nd booking then that could get him a 2 match ban.
If we wants to go all tough guy with violent conduct then that sort of disgraceful and uncalled for behavior gets treated with a 3 or more game suspension.

Two  yellow card caution in same match would not add to the bookings total but of course would lead to a match ban because it's a red card
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 07:43:49 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on April 16, 2019, 07:47:55 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.

I quite agree, but using the term "wetting the bed" seldom has the the desired result.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on April 16, 2019, 08:00:38 PM
It's a maximum of 3 games anyway - Even if we don't field the reserves against Norwich, I fully expect rotations in the games leading up to it.

Those players who played last week, Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday (including Wednesday with 10 men for an hour), may well be in need of a deserved rest - SJM, the full backs and Tammy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 08:02:13 PM
Stop pissing our pants or keep our powder dry any better?  ::) ;)

We need to remain focused on picking up maximum points against Bolton and Millwall with our best players available, and think about resting players against Leeds and Norwich if the playoff position is secure.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2019, 08:04:35 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.

That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on April 16, 2019, 08:17:55 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.

That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.

I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.

That is that on that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on April 16, 2019, 08:26:13 PM
I might have followed through.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2019, 08:45:06 PM
Is it the person who did

?

One of our number sung that song in its entirety in a Swiss Cottage boozer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 09:31:26 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.

That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.

I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.

That is that on that.
Apologies if either of my comments caused any unintended offence to yourself or anyone else.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2019, 09:36:29 PM
Not at all. No knickers in a twist here.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mike on April 16, 2019, 09:46:09 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.

That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.

I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.

That is that on that.

It's of little consequence, but it was the bed, not knickers, which were being wet. I suppose that means the anxiety (much like the urine) is expressed whilst unconscious.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mike on April 16, 2019, 09:53:52 PM
Oh, and the simple concept that 'Dean Smith is not an idiot' is the kind of thing the bed/knicker wetters don't factor in when failing to control their bladders. In fact it's massively common to think other people are incapable of seeing what is blindingly obvious to ourselves. If I was paying someone X million pounds to manage Aston Villa, I would expect him to be aware of the situation and have a plan rather than wake up sweating in the night when McGinn gets his 15th yellow card thinking, 'oh, fuck, why didn't I consider that.'

Having said all of which, much as I have previously admitted that I have a deep man love for SJM, I would really like him to just stop fouling people so much.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 16, 2019, 10:15:33 PM
Oh, and the simple concept that 'Dean Smith is not an idiot' is the kind of thing the bed/knicker wetters don't factor in when failing to control their bladders. In fact it's massively common to think other people are incapable of seeing what is blindingly obvious to ourselves. If I was paying someone X million pounds to manage Aston Villa, I would expect him to be aware of the situation and have a plan rather than wake up sweating in the night when McGinn gets his 15th yellow card thinking, 'oh, fuck, why didn't I consider that.'

Having said all of which, much as I have previously admitted that I have a deep man love for SJM , I would really like him to just stop fouling people so much.

I'm glad to see that you've moved on from Grealish now Mike. Leave him to me, I'll look after him. SJM much more your type, I would've thought (winking face).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on April 16, 2019, 10:26:08 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.

That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.

I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.

That is that on that.
Apologies if either of my comments caused any unintended offence to yourself or anyone else.

No problem here, KRS. I was just pointing out that that it might inflame the argument. Nothing wrong with that either, sometimes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 17, 2019, 12:03:02 AM
I'd play him in the next two, even if he gets booked against Bolton. I'd rather risk him not playing in the first leg than risk not qualifying at all.

If results go our way, we could have top six secured after the Millwall game. We can rest him then.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 17, 2019, 12:34:35 AM
The whole point is that Mcginn has to take some responsibility here for getting into a position if 13 yellows for the season.
As much as I laud him one should recognise his utter failings in his continued cautions.
People say it's for Smith to manage and to be aware yet I'm the only one debating why he may have received all those yellows and also stating that it's really poor by player himself to put himself in that situation as much as it is the manager.
The easy out is to blame Steve Bruce of course I mean he signed him !
However if Mcginn messes it up then it undoes all the good and excellence he's brought to the midfield even if he is mine and many favourites.
For me his bookings should have been addressed at 10 and that suspension now he's in the situation .
However I gave a good account to potential why he is fouling and it would be nice for others to even contemplate Mcginn and his fouling ways and what he should be doing about it.

I already suggested it's the refs and lack of protection plus something systematically wrong that he gets fouled twice as much as he gives away fouls . I think that unfair measure means opposition players get more nibbles where as our John is given less leniency.
Whatever the reasons the fact is he himself has got into the position of 13 yellows and needs to think about what he's going a heck of a lot more now but should have been doing this even more so.
I hope this teaches him and that he can learn from situation as he's a liability in that respect if he isn't addressing this.
Losing inplay offs in part to Mcginn being suspended for example would have to then lose a lot of love for him
Love is blind to a lot on here and it has to be argued that Mcginn as a player who gets cautioned is a weakness and frustrated that has been a constant situation.
I adore his work rate enthusiasm and endeavour not to mention his combative style and drive with the ball.
The goals and sheer brilliance is there but he's also very foolish and that needs to be said even if we all love him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on April 17, 2019, 01:57:15 AM
Footy you often bring some useful research or fresh perspective to discussions on here, but I’m wondering if on this thread you are closer to getting yellow carded for getting worked up with yourself here. I think we’ve clocked there is an issue/risk re: the number of cards. There is some awareness that the role and style of play (an ankle biting terrier of a midfielder who when covering half the pitch also knows when to take one for the team) means more risk of being carded. Yes he needs to reduce the number of bookings, yes this might be hard given his style of play, yes we can be confident the club’s management have noticed all of the above too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on April 17, 2019, 06:49:18 AM
Personally, I am concerned about the tightrope McGinn is walking.  Yes, I agree that 1 more booking and he will be pulled until the play offs so it is not a major worry but more a niggle as we seek to keep up continuity.

I'm interested to see the teams picked for our next 2 games over the Easter period.  There certainly has to be the temptation to rotate, especially those who I mentioned before as having played the last 3 games in a week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mike on April 17, 2019, 06:51:32 AM
Oh, and the simple concept that 'Dean Smith is not an idiot' is the kind of thing the bed/knicker wetters don't factor in when failing to control their bladders. In fact it's massively common to think other people are incapable of seeing what is blindingly obvious to ourselves. If I was paying someone X million pounds to manage Aston Villa, I would expect him to be aware of the situation and have a plan rather than wake up sweating in the night when McGinn gets his 15th yellow card thinking, 'oh, fuck, why didn't I consider that.'

Having said all of which, much as I have previously admitted that I have a deep man love for SJM , I would really like him to just stop fouling people so much.

I'm glad to see that you've moved on from Grealish now Mike. Leave him to me, I'll look after him. SJM much more your type, I would've thought (winking face).


I haven’t moved on, I’m conflicted. I can’t see it ending happily.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 17, 2019, 11:16:41 AM
Mcginn gets twice as fouled as he fouls but gets cautioned as much as other championship players who dish out more fouls and cautioned more than some players who dish out more fouls!
Something isn't right .
It's up to player himself  also to be aware he's targeted by refs and other players.
All a learning process.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: oldtimernow on April 17, 2019, 12:15:37 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.

That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.

I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.

That is that on that.

It's of little consequence, but it was the bed, not knickers, which were being wet. I suppose that means the anxiety (much like the urine) is expressed whilst unconscious.

I think your argument is unTENAble  ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 17, 2019, 12:19:50 PM
Mcginn gets twice as fouled as he fouls but gets cautioned as much as other championship players who dish out more fouls and cautioned more than some players who dish out more fouls!
Something isn't right .
It's up to player himself  also to be aware he's targeted by refs and other players.
All a learning process.

What does this even mean?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Legion on April 17, 2019, 01:51:25 PM
It's in code.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 17, 2019, 02:16:17 PM
He gets booked on average once every three games. He'll be fine.

Don't matter, anyway. With or without him, they're all getting battered.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 17, 2019, 02:31:20 PM
This made me smile..

Villa Views
@VillaViews_
·
18h
BREAKING: Game against Bolton will go ahead after John McGinn said he'd happily do the work of all police, paramedics and security while also running the Villa midfield. #avfc
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Legion on April 17, 2019, 02:35:33 PM
Duly nicked.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on April 17, 2019, 02:48:09 PM
Mcginn gets twice as fouled as he fouls but gets cautioned as much as other championship players who dish out more fouls and cautioned more than some players who dish out more fouls!
Something isn't right .
It's up to player himself  also to be aware he's targeted by refs and other players.
All a learning process.

What does this even mean?

It’s in Unwinese. If you look up the works of the late great Professor Stanley Unwin you will soon realise that Footy is just being a little obfuscationary in his syntaxywelds which can give the uninitiated great ganglings in the frontal lobybolds of his brainydido. As soon as you get the hang of it, deep joy will follow.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: footyskillz on April 17, 2019, 11:09:51 PM
This made me smile..

Villa Views
@VillaViews_
·
18h
BREAKING: Game against Bolton will go ahead after John McGinn said he'd happily do the work of all police, paramedics and security while also running the Villa midfield. #avfc

And also getting booked despite less fouls committed than Bolton players on him!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT Villan on April 18, 2019, 01:09:56 AM
It’s in Unwinese. If you look up the works of the late great Professor Stanley Unwin you will soon realise that Footy is just being a little obfuscationary in his syntaxywelds which can give the uninitiated great ganglings in the frontal lobybolds of his brainydido. As soon as you get the hang of it, deep joy will follow.

[applause]
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 18, 2019, 11:11:10 AM
This made me smile..

Villa Views
@VillaViews_
·
18h
BREAKING: Game against Bolton will go ahead after John McGinn said he'd happily do the work of all police, paramedics and security while also running the Villa midfield. #avfc

And also getting booked despite less fouls committed than Bolton players on him!

Are you sure you are getting your message across Skillz?  ???
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on April 18, 2019, 11:12:32 AM
I might regret this, but what is his message? McGinn has been booked 13 times and...? What? What's the point?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on April 18, 2019, 11:23:11 AM
I might regret this, but what is his message? McGinn has been booked 13 times and...? What? What's the point?

I will regret this but I think his point(s) are:

1) McGinn should try harder not to pick up bookings.
2) Referees should protect Mcginn more, as it is possible some of the bookings he does receive are an indirect result of being fouled constantly and feeling the need to get the offenders back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on April 18, 2019, 01:03:58 PM
I might regret this, but what is his message? McGinn has been booked 13 times and...? What? What's the point?

I will regret this but I think his point(s) are:

1) McGinn should try harder not to pick up bookings.
2) Referees should protect Mcginn more, as it is possible some of the bookings he does receive are an indirect result of being fouled constantly and feeling the need to get the offenders back.

Which all pisstaking aside are pretty valid points.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2019, 01:36:28 PM
Just bought 12 bottles of these for my Gin shop
I will be purchasing one to drink Easter Monday


(https://oi1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/mcgin-glasgow-gin_zpsw3mawgkd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/mcgin-glasgow-gin_zpsw3mawgkd.jpg.html)


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 18, 2019, 02:38:40 PM
I think the 2nd point is much bigger, between them Jack and McGinn get fouled, on average, 7.5 times a game and in a lot of games it's the 5th or 6th foul on them before the ref takes any action and McGinn seems to, sometimes, take things into his own hands. Loads of his yellow cards have been for the only foul he committed all game. The worst thing is, thinking back, I can't remember more than 2-3 genuinely bad tackles from McGinn, there have been a couple of 'taking one for the team' fouls and 1-2 he's kleft a foot in but most of them are just a bit late and not much more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 20, 2019, 11:47:04 AM
Another who shouldn’t play past the Millwall game until the playoffs
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 20, 2019, 11:49:23 AM
Would play them v Leeds, vital if Leeds are going to end up in play offs now we go up there with our best 11 and give them something to think about.

Give them all a rest v Norwich.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2019, 12:08:15 PM
Can I just ask how many bookings John has so far and what happens if he gets  booked 3 times  against Millwall? I can't find a discussion on this anywhere:)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2019, 12:10:09 PM
Would play them v Leeds, vital if Leeds are going to end up in play offs now we go up there with our best 11 and give them something to think about.

Give them all a rest v Norwich.
I don't agree. If it ends you that we play Leeds (unlikely for two reasons) rest both Jack and John so they get it with both barrels ion the play off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on April 20, 2019, 01:36:04 PM
Can I just ask how many bookings John has so far and what happens if he gets  booked 3 times  against Millwall? I can't find a discussion on this anywhere:)

You get a booking for raising it. How many more before you are kicked off the thread?
We might decide to rest your comments until the play offs ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2019, 04:54:29 PM
I have 13 warnings but have appealed against all. Admin are busy so decisions are pending.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tuscans on April 22, 2019, 03:16:47 PM
Another game gone...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard on April 22, 2019, 03:59:22 PM
Yes it's quite simple now if he gets booked at Leeds just rest him for Norwich.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on April 22, 2019, 04:02:36 PM
What a diamond we found, he will have no problem stepping up, UTV. ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on April 22, 2019, 05:12:46 PM
The Arse of God.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 22, 2019, 06:11:18 PM
Better arse...Barry or McGinn?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tuscans on April 22, 2019, 06:12:53 PM
Better arse...Barry or McGinn?
Barry had implants, McGinns is natural
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2019, 06:31:23 PM
He'd have to pick up a booking in each of the next two games to miss the play offs, which surely isn't going to happen.  If he got one against Leeds for example, you just rest him against Norwich, which wouldn't be a bad idea anyway.  Any bookings picked up in the play offs themselves don't count.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2019, 07:32:48 PM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 25, 2019, 08:13:46 PM
Is it the person who did

?

One of our number sung that song in its entirety in a Swiss Cottage boozer.

I dont know who you are talking about...

Gobby scouse twat blathering on about history to me!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2019, 02:33:44 PM
Must not play next week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on April 28, 2019, 02:38:04 PM
Anyone else bricking it when SJM went to tackle anyone after his yellow?!

Also the handball he made, but the ref allowed Leeds to advantage. I had visions of him booking SJM for that

i would have taken SJM off instead of JG personally
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 28, 2019, 03:09:59 PM
Anyone else bricking it when SJM went to tackle anyone after his yellow?!

Also the handball he made, but the ref allowed Leeds to advantage. I had visions of him booking SJM for that

i would have taken SJM off instead of JG personally

Totally with you Rudy on all the points you make. I would probably "rest" him on the bench next Sunday. UTV
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on April 28, 2019, 03:29:09 PM
Beachwear for SJM next week.

I know a Hibs fan who booked tickets a few weeks back to come and see him play again for us!!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 04:43:13 PM
It would be absolute lunacy for McGinn to play next week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on April 28, 2019, 05:12:33 PM
Dean has already said post game that SJM will sit out next week against Norwich.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 28, 2019, 05:13:27 PM
Dean has already said post game that SJM will sit out next week against Norwich.

Thank God !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2019, 05:14:10 PM
Must not play next week.

Won't be. Smith has already said so.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2019, 05:16:47 PM
Must not play next week.

Won't be. Smith has already said so.

Good stuff Dean. Far too big a risk to see him booked in a nothing game and then be out for whole play off campaign.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2019, 07:51:46 PM
Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?

They won't notice.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2019, 08:00:12 PM
Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?

They won't notice.

They will when they see how much he runs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 28, 2019, 08:03:27 PM
Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?

They won't notice.

They will when they see how much he runs.

Ha ha ace
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on April 29, 2019, 09:54:01 AM
Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?

They won't notice.

They will when they see how much he runs.

Ha ha ace
Hahahaha!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 29, 2019, 10:08:18 AM
Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?

They won't notice.

They will when they see how much he runs.

Ha ha ace
Hahahaha!


don't make fun of our new centre forward please
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 29, 2019, 03:53:53 PM
I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking.  It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 05:04:59 PM
I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking.  It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.

Two yellows leading to a red would have only been a one match ban wouldn’t it? Back for the playoffs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2019, 05:07:16 PM
I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking.  It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.

Two yellows leading to a red would have only been a one match ban wouldn’t it? Back for the playoffs.

Ordinarily, yes, but that would have given him 15 yellows in total leading to the three match ban, ie out for the Norwich game and the first two play off games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2019, 05:42:04 PM
I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking.  It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.

Two yellows leading to a red would have only been a one match ban wouldn’t it? Back for the playoffs.

Ordinarily, yes, but that would have given him 15 yellows in total leading to the three match ban, ie out for the Norwich game and the first two play off games.

cumulative with the red as well, so out for the final too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on April 30, 2019, 06:56:20 AM
I think it would have been a 4 match ban for the Red plus 15 yellows

It was ridiculous he was on the pitch
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on April 30, 2019, 08:18:40 AM
Anybody on the outside would think he’s a dirty bastard.

Only one or two of his bookings have been daft.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Kimaster1976 on May 05, 2019, 06:33:20 AM
Are yellow cards reset for the play offs? If he picks up a booking in the first leg that doesn't mean he's out for the 2nd leg and potential final does it?

Can only a red card at some stage of the 2 legs prevent anyone missing the final now?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on May 05, 2019, 06:50:52 AM
Are yellow cards reset for the play offs? If he picks up a booking in the first leg that doesn't mean he's out for the 2nd leg and potential final does it?

Can only a red card at some stage of the 2 legs prevent anyone missing the final now?

Another yellow card and he misses next season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Legion on May 05, 2019, 07:19:59 AM
All of it? That's a bit harsh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on May 05, 2019, 07:22:51 AM
Are yellow cards reset for the play offs? If he picks up a booking in the first leg that doesn't mean he's out for the 2nd leg and potential final does it?

Can only a red card at some stage of the 2 legs prevent anyone missing the final now?

I'm fairly sure that the bookings (14) only applied up until the end of games today and then they are forgotten forever.

I think the play offs carry their own system where 2 bookings in the semi-final would see a player miss the final.

Then, next season, everybody starts on an even keel with 0 bookings.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Kimaster1976 on May 05, 2019, 08:36:21 AM
If thats the case id be surprised if McGinn even made the final then should we get there.

Can you see him not picking up a booking in both games again Albion?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2019, 08:43:10 AM
You wouldn't want to take anything away from his game because he has been immense but 14 bookings is way too many.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 05, 2019, 09:34:20 AM
You wouldn't want to take anything away from his game because he has been immense but 14 bookings is way too many.

It is and it’s sonething he needs to address, particularly those wheee he’s booked for being gobby.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 06, 2019, 08:37:52 PM
How many of SJM's bookings have been for dissent?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on May 06, 2019, 10:10:56 PM
Do the club fine players for receiving bookings or reaching certain number of bookings?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tuscans on May 06, 2019, 10:14:43 PM
Do the club fine players for receiving bookings or reaching certain number of bookings?
In the extremely soft world of football I bet 1 maybe 2 were deserving of bookings.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on May 06, 2019, 10:26:43 PM
Absolutely. My question still stands though, and I'd imagine any fine process would take into consideration unfair or incorrectly awarded bookings.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2019, 10:45:00 PM
Absolutely. My question still stands though, and I'd imagine any fine process would take into consideration unfair or incorrectly awarded bookings.

As far as I understand it there is no review process for yellow cards.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on May 06, 2019, 10:52:51 PM
🎵 Footy come back 🎵
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on May 06, 2019, 10:55:22 PM
As Bryn from Gavin and Stacey would say , joking I am ...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 06:37:59 PM
Worst game he’s had for us today I think. Hopefully out of his system now and he’ll be back to normal levels on Tuesday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on May 17, 2019, 06:12:05 PM
Rather classy effort from this Hibs fan (Fellow Fan on twitter) wishing John, and us, all the best for Wembley.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on May 18, 2019, 09:03:00 AM
Rather classy effort from this Hibs fan (Fellow Fan on twitter) wishing John, and us, all the best for Wembley.

When I was on the phone to Sky recently I got talking to a Rangers fan who raved about SJM. It’s source of amusement for them that Celtic missed out by missing out on SJM because they wouldn’t pay another £500k to match our bid
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on May 18, 2019, 07:32:03 PM
I've found a link to that link with Hibs wishing us all the best for the Final.

Class.

https://twitter.com/thetremontipick/status/1129747858738098182?s=21
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on May 18, 2019, 08:08:39 PM
Worst game he’s had for us today I think. Hopefully out of his system now and he’ll be back to normal levels on Tuesday.

I thought he was better but still some way off his best

Hopefully Derby just won't be able to block him and grealish off in the way the baggies did
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 18, 2019, 08:29:31 PM
I've found a link to that link with Hibs wishing us all the best for the Final.

Class.



https://twitter.com/thetremontipick/status/1129747858738098182?s=21

I fucking love this!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Eckybloke on May 18, 2019, 08:59:18 PM
I've found a link to that link with Hibs wishing us all the best for the Final.

Class.

https://twitter.com/thetremontipick/status/1129747858738098182?s=21

I think this is my favourite tweet ever. ❤️
😂😂
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on May 25, 2019, 11:28:20 PM
Torygraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/25/aston-villas-season-has-disappointment-even-win-play-off-final/)

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Aston Villa's season has been a disappointment even if we win play-off final, admits John McGinn

John Percy

25 May 2019 • 10:30pm



In a break with tradition, John McGinn and Jack Grealish missed their Thursday meal together this week, a ritual that has developed this year and cemented the relationship between the two players at the heart of Aston Villa's renaissance.

Grealish, the local hero, and McGinn, the £2.5million bargain, have made it a regular fixture since March, and on Monday they will attempt the final step towards returning the club to the Premier League in the play-off final that can change careers, and the lives of clubs.

Family came first for McGinn on Thursday, as he sat glued to the TV to watch his older brothers Stephen and Paul play for St. Mirren in their Scottish Premiership play-off first leg against Dundee United, but it is his bromance with Grealish that has so far defined Villa's resurgence.

“During the unbeaten spell [Villa won a club record ten games in a row] we always went for food on a Thursday,” McGinn said. “We’ve got similar interests and we’re similar ages. A lot of the lads have got kids and their Thursday nights are taken up. But we go out and get some food and it just started being a wee superstition and it’s carried on.

“Jack is one of the best players I’ve played with. He’s comfortably the best in the league. 

“He just glides with the ball, he’s comfortable with both feet and he gets kicked about all the time but I’ve got no doubt in my mind he will be an England player one day.



“Everyone gets the perception that he’s some sort of bad boy but he’s a hard worker and he’s been a great leader for us over the past months or ten weeks.”

The respect is mutual - in March when Villa's official Twitter account asked fans to sum up McGinn in one word, Grealish replied with 'Wonderful'.

Known as 'Ginny' around Villa's Bodymoor Heath training base, McGinn has also captured the imagination of supporters.

Signed from Hibernian by former manager Steve Bruce last August, he is a cult hero, a relentlessly energetic midfielder with a penchant for a spectacular goal – such as his stunning volley against Sheffield Wednesday in front of the Holte End. His goal against Wednesday at Hillsborough in April wasn’t too shabby, either.

Expect to hear multiple renditions of the “Walking with McGinn” chant at Wembley on Monday afternoon.

“I know I’m only 24 but when you’ve won things and been relegated you know what football is like,” he says. “If you get too high it comes back to bite you on the backside so I was always aware in spells before when I’ve done well in a season, eventually there was a wee dip. I feel this season I’ve managed to keep that consistency over long periods and I’m delighted with that.

“If you’ve not got the doubts to go and prove people wrong, that’s when you get into that comfort zone and stop progressing. You will always have people to prove wrong. I always have done and I always will. I use that to spur me on and stay hungry and that’s the big aim.”

By his own admission, McGinn’s first season in English football has proved a “rollercoaster”. He had the option of joining Celtic, then managed by Brendan Rodgers, but signed for Bruce who was then sacked two months later.

Inevitably there was some doubt over where he would fit into Dean Smith’s plans, but he was pulled aside weeks after his appointment and told: “I don’t think you realise how good you can be.”



McGinn has since emerged as a crucial weapon in Smith’s promotion mission, scoring six goals and contributing nine assists (and, ahem, 14 yellow cards). He was named as Villa’s Player's Player of the Year and Supporter's Player of the Year earlier this month and will be a big player for new Scotland manager Steve Clarke.

Yet when McGinn assesses the campaign with Villa, there is a clear sense of disappointment whatever the outcome of Monday’s final.

“The season has been a failure because with the size of this club, the target is to be in the top two. But we have given ourselves the chance through another avenue to achieve what we set out to do,” he says.

“We have managed to do it the hard way because were 13th or 14th at Christmas. The reason we are delighted to be in this final is because that is an achievement in itself. We rolled our sleeves up and went on an unbelievable run to get to the final.

“It doesn’t matter how we’ve done it. We are there.

“It is definitely the biggest game of my career. l have loved every minute of it so far and if we are a Premier League club at the end of it, it will top it off."

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villan from luton on May 26, 2019, 12:09:24 AM
This guy has been so brilliant for us this season and I really think he can be a top 4 player, hopefully with Villa and Jack
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Godfrey Brian on May 26, 2019, 09:31:42 AM
[quote







Inevitably there was some doubt over where he would fit into Dean Smith’s plans, but he was pulled aside weeks after his appointment and told: “I don’t think you realise how good you can be"

[/quote]
[/quote]
Great example of the positive approach Smith and his management team have bought to the club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on May 26, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
He's been superb this season but I hope he gets more involved in the game tomorrow than he was in the Semi Finals. That may have been because he didn't want to get booked though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Holte132 on May 26, 2019, 09:36:45 AM
'Expect to hear multiple renditions of the “Walking with McGinn” chant at Wembley on Monday afternoon.'

Have I missed something? What's this? I've only heard the 'achy. breaky heart' chant for McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
Here you go mate...

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmyHessel/status/1116103437622624256
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 26, 2019, 09:56:21 AM
Bruce was right, after all! Smith's a bloody charlatan

Quote
We rolled our sleeves up and went on an unbelievable run to get to the final.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Holte132 on May 26, 2019, 09:57:37 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2019, 09:09:24 PM
Bruce was right, after all! Smith's a bloody charlatan

Quote
We rolled our sleeves up and went on an unbelievable run to get to the final.

 

He's not the only one I know.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hibby Villa on May 27, 2019, 08:18:15 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.

I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.

Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.

Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.

All the best, enjoy your night.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 27, 2019, 08:21:27 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.

I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.

Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.

Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.

All the best, enjoy your night.

You certainly weren't wrong!

Thanks!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on May 27, 2019, 08:38:06 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.

I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.

Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.

Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.

All the best, enjoy your night.

All the best for next season to you too Hibby.  He really is a talent isn't he?  I'd hate to have to play against him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on May 27, 2019, 09:03:36 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.

I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.

Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.

Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.

All the best, enjoy your night.

Cheers mate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Diablo on May 27, 2019, 09:14:27 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.

I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.

Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.

Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.

All the best, enjoy your night.
Thank you! Hibs are now officially my favourite team north of the border!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2019, 09:17:01 PM
The Accies are better.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Diablo on May 27, 2019, 09:38:20 PM
The Accies are better.
But did the Accies give us SJM?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2019, 09:47:23 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.

I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.

Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.

Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.

All the best, enjoy your night.
Don't think many of us would have either mate! haha. Good luck next season and thanks very much for SJM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 29, 2019, 11:50:26 PM
And they call us deluded.

https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/wolves/what-wolves-fans-have-been-saying-about-aston-villas-john-mcginn-on-molineux-mix
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 29, 2019, 11:56:07 PM
And they call us deluded.

https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/wolves/what-wolves-fans-have-been-saying-about-aston-villas-john-mcginn-on-molineux-mix
Wow, deluded fuckwits.....they really think they are going higher anytime soon?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: stubbsyandy on June 11, 2019, 07:13:29 PM
On the bench for Scotland...what
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 12, 2019, 10:38:45 AM
I was thinking if Scotland are good enough to be able to leave McGinn then they must be like Brazil and would swat Belgium aside.  What happened?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on June 12, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
He came off in the first game. Did he take a knock ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 12, 2019, 10:53:01 AM
He was on the bench, so would think not.

With that said, I'm glad he got a rest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 12, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
In fairness, he hasn't ever really shown the same sort of form he does for Scotland that he does for us. Hopefully he will improve now he is no longer managed by a dinosaur at international level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 27, 2019, 10:22:00 PM
I'm in a pub in Edinburgh. Women's semi is on the telly. Five blokes next to us pipe up when I applaud our frankly superb third. Not Hibs, but Glasgow lads, out of towners, bit like meself. One was at Wembley in May, for one reason only. Paisley boy, they fookin luv 'im.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on June 29, 2019, 04:24:53 PM
Find yourself a woman who looks at you like McGinn looks at Jack.
You’ll die a happy man.

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1144915289072644097?s=21
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kieron on June 29, 2019, 10:50:32 PM
Speculation Man Utd are after John.

£50m
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 29, 2019, 10:53:14 PM
Alan Nixon in The Scottish Scum

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MANCHESTER UNITED are set to launch a sensational bid for John McGinn that would smash the transfer record for a Scot.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer  wants the midfielder to add the energy he says his side are missing.

But Villa claim it’ll take a monster £50MILLION fee to prise him away from the Midlands.

United have been making background checks on McGinn in the past few days ahead of submitting an opening offer.

The 24-year-old has made a dramatic impact at Villa since then joining for a bargain £2.75m from Hibs a year ago.

If Solskjaer can strike a deal, any potential fee would be sure to eclipse the previous record deal for a Scot, Oli Burke’s £15m move to RB Leipzig.

And Hibernian would also be quids in thanks to a sell-on clause included in last year’s deal.

Villa rate McGinn so highly they are already plotting to fend off United’s interest by offering a new long-term contract.

Players and fans voted him their Player of the Year — ahead of Holte End hero Jack Grealish — before the Scotland international scored in the play-off final win over Derby County that clinched the club’s return to the Premier League.

United, though, are clearly in the mood to spend big after shelling out a staggering £50m to secure Aaron Wan-Bissaka away from Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 29, 2019, 10:55:53 PM
Bollocks to that. Fifty million's just bought them a full-back, if they want an entire engine room they'll have to quadruple it and throw in a few players. Alternatively they can fuck off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LowerNorthStand on June 29, 2019, 10:57:33 PM
Just read the story in the The Sun

50 million for a player who has played in Scotland and the Championship is madness
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fasth56 on June 29, 2019, 11:02:23 PM
£50 million plus Tuzanabe plus Rashford wouldn't buy McGinn
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 29, 2019, 11:05:20 PM
Last night, I placed two pub wagers. One, a tenner against someone that reckoned we'd go straight back down. The other, twenny 'oles, that we'd finish within 3 places of manu. I had to add in the stipulation that I wouldn't be forking out when we finish 4 places above them.

Ftf.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2019, 11:19:41 PM
Just read the story in the The Sun

50 million for a player who has played in Scotland and the Championship is madness

Agreed. They just paid that for a full back. At minimum £75m
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on June 29, 2019, 11:20:19 PM
And so it starts.....******.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villan from luton on June 29, 2019, 11:38:19 PM
SJM is ours and I would hope he wants to stay with this project
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: London Villan on June 29, 2019, 11:42:51 PM
You’d hope we’d get at least a season of him in the Premier League.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on June 29, 2019, 11:45:44 PM
They can do one. And another. And keep going until the end of time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on June 29, 2019, 11:47:16 PM
Considering they’ve just paid this for a full back I’d suggest it needs to be £75mill plus Tuanzebe to make us  think.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 29, 2019, 11:48:12 PM
Cue official site announcement Monday ‘McGinn signs new five year deal.’
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wolfman999 on June 29, 2019, 11:48:54 PM
Considering they’ve just paid this for a full back I’d suggest it needs to be £75mill plus Tuanzebe to make us  think.

And after thinking about it, still telling them to fuck off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2019, 12:03:16 AM
Tuanzebe isn't good enough to get in to their side in the Premier Division, why do people think he'll be good enough to get into ours in the Premier Division?  No thanks to Tuanzebe.  Tell you what, we'll take David De Gea instead. That said, it's media shite and not happening.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on June 30, 2019, 12:08:00 AM
if they do actually bid £30>£50m and SJM wants to go sit on their bench rather than play, i’d take the deal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Stu on June 30, 2019, 12:14:07 AM
If we can get £50m for him though. He would want to go as well...

Although Solskjaer is completely out of his depth and will be gone within the first couple of months of the season, so a bit of upheaval to come. Having said that, he isn't playing for the manager that signed him for Villa either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 30, 2019, 12:14:49 AM
Tuanzebe isn't good enough to get in to their side in the Premier Division, why do people think he'll be good enough to get into ours in the Premier Division?  No thanks to Tuanzebe.  Tell you what, we'll take David De Gea instead. That said, it's media shite and not happening.

Nixon has been right an awful lot lately. So there's every chance they are interested.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Stu on June 30, 2019, 12:15:55 AM
Alan Nixon is generally pretty good, yeah. Story has legs I think.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2019, 12:16:40 AM
Tuanzebe isn't good enough to get in to their side in the Premier Division, why do people think he'll be good enough to get into ours in the Premier Division?  No thanks to Tuanzebe.  Tell you what, we'll take David De Gea instead. That said, it's media shite and not happening.

Nixon has been right an awful lot lately. So there's every chance they are interested.

He has also been wrong much more often.  Let's see what happens but I suspect it's tripe.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on June 30, 2019, 12:27:03 AM
£50m is an incredible amount for someone with 1 season in the Championship.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2019, 12:30:11 AM
And so it starts.....c***s.

My thoughts, exactly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on June 30, 2019, 12:31:22 AM
Yes but it’s not enough. £75 mill plus Tuanzebe. So basically we’d get Tuanzebe, Butland, Ming’s, Phillips for SJM with our war chest to replace McGinn still intact. I’d seriously consider that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on June 30, 2019, 12:33:45 AM
Our owners will not sell him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on June 30, 2019, 12:34:32 AM
£50m? It's all wooden dollars in today's inflated climate.

If we get anything like that amount, who are we going to replace McGinn with? It's not like you can go and build a Premier League squad with it. You'd be lucky to get a couple of decent players at around £20m each. We should fight tooth and nail to keep McGinn. In my book, he's even more valuable than Grealish.

That said, it's Man Utd and a worrying development.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Singapore Villa on June 30, 2019, 12:37:19 AM
Dear Man Utd,

Get to fuck.

Best regards,
AVFC
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 30, 2019, 12:44:11 AM
Yep. Just sell us Axel and then fuck off. The
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 30, 2019, 12:46:40 AM
Yes but it’s not enough. £75 mill plus Tuanzebe. So basically we’d get Tuanzebe, Butland, Ming’s, Phillips for SJM with our war chest to replace McGinn still intact. I’d seriously consider that.

I’d hate to lose him. But if he goes , and  he will get attention, then this would ease the horrific pain.

But I’d rather he stay, get us up the league , and go as a hero ( more than he is now )
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on June 30, 2019, 12:51:33 AM
Probably his agent leaking stories to the press to inflate his salary during contract discussions
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on June 30, 2019, 01:05:26 AM
It's great to have owners that act as big as the club is. The grealish situation last summer should ease any worries that we'll be bullied into selling.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on June 30, 2019, 01:25:34 AM
I think selling him would be a really stupid thing to do. Football isn't actually FIFA, you don't just replace one set of stats and attributes with similar ones and expect similar results - it takes time to build up understanding, teamwork, all that. We have enough of a team to replace already without gambling on replacing that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 30, 2019, 02:49:57 AM
If manure do bid for him he's almost certainly gone. When they come in for our best players we all know how it ends...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2019, 02:59:40 AM
You never know. He seems to love us. And they aren't what they once were.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 30, 2019, 03:01:16 AM
I am always wrong, but Man Utd. won't sign McGinn, and they'd be fucking stupid if they did. It reminds me me of when Man Utd. used to sign players like Neil Webb and Jesper Olsen. Oh for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2019, 06:05:22 AM
Our owners will tell them to do one! We can't afford to lose SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on June 30, 2019, 07:09:43 AM
Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us.  I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave P on June 30, 2019, 07:14:02 AM
I thought this close season was going too well! That said, I’m not sure we’ll drop our trousers at the first bid we receive in early July. We’ll refuse this for sure then things could get interesting. Not that I want to sell him mind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on June 30, 2019, 07:18:06 AM
Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us.  I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no. 

Exactly. Imagine if Spurs offer £85m for Jack at the same time. We have to draw a line, otherwise we'll be starting from scratch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave P on June 30, 2019, 07:23:09 AM
Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us.  I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no. 

Exactly. Imagine if Spurs offer £85m for Jack at the same time. We have to draw a line, otherwise we'll be starting from scratch.

With the best will in the world, I don’t think we’ll be in a position to turn down £85m for one player. I know it’s hypothetical.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2019, 07:24:24 AM
Our owners turned dow £25m for Jack in the Championship. No way they'll let McGinn go for £50m in the Premier League. But, £75m plus Tuanzebe, who knows?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave P on June 30, 2019, 07:28:42 AM
Any sale price will depend on how badly Man U want him as we will know how badly we need him!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frank black on June 30, 2019, 07:42:29 AM
£50 mil?!

Well that’s his left foot purchased. If we have any wish to be a top team, we keep our top players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on June 30, 2019, 07:43:23 AM
Not going anywhere we need to get in the habit of ignoring most of this rubbish because the press will invent a byeline when they really have nothing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on June 30, 2019, 07:46:03 AM
Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us.  I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no. 

Exactly. Imagine if Spurs offer £85m for Jack at the same time. We have to draw a line, otherwise we'll be starting from scratch.

With the best will in the world, I don’t think we’ll be in a position to turn down £85m for one player. I know it’s hypothetical.

If we can't now, we will never, ever be able to.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Perthvillan on June 30, 2019, 08:11:49 AM
SJM had the chance to sign for Celtic this time last year but chose us and second division football.
He simply loves us and I would be very surprised and gutted if this were to happen no matter how much those bastards offer for him.
Who would want to join them at the moment anyway, they are a shambles.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andrew08 on June 30, 2019, 08:27:31 AM
I don’t want him to go of course, but it’s a nice demonstration of how ‘develop and sell’ would work for us. It’s how Spuds got to the position they are today.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: London Villan on June 30, 2019, 08:28:59 AM
If manu were in the champions league with a settled manager i’d be more worried.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on June 30, 2019, 08:36:38 AM
Doesn’t the rag that started this ‘story’ realise that we are owned by people who are richer than UTDs owners?

If we were able to keep hold of Jack last summer, despite being in the Championship, then I have no doubt the club will laugh off this latest piece of bullshit.

Cue SJM signing a lovely new contract next week though, and deservedly so.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on June 30, 2019, 08:40:23 AM
I don’t want him to go of course, but it’s a nice demonstration of how ‘develop and sell’ would work for us. It’s how Spuds got to the position they are today.   

Know what you mean, but would Spurs have had the same trajectory had they sold Bale after one season?  There has to be some balance to the approach you talk about and if we're to stay in the league (hopefully comfortably), selling McGinn would be massively risky. 

Anyway, hopefully it's just the familiar agent-planting-story-to-get-player-better-money scenario.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2019, 08:45:24 AM
If manu were in the champions league with a settled manager i’d be more worried.

This, all day long. OGS will most likely be binned by Christmas. They can't get a tune out of many of their players and finished 6th in a four horse race! SJM beware, this is not the United that once was.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 30, 2019, 08:46:13 AM
Man Utd aren't going to shell £50m on a player that's had 1 very good season in the Championship any more than Tottenham were going to shell £40m on a player that had one great half season in the Championship and a handful of half decent games in the PL previously.
Those two are the best players we have in our squad currently and we need to keep them ideally but i'd say these owners are proper businessmen and they'll sell if it would be crazy not too from a business sense.
So once again, like last summer, the 'top 6' won't offer the kind of money that would tempt them in my opinion.
Honestly, i love McGinn, one of the best (and my personal favourites) we've had since MON left but £50m would be good business sense at this point. If he has as good a season as we think he will this season for us it would probably be less of a good deal for us after that, but at this point as much as i rate him, he's not the caliber of player Man Utd need to push them from 5-6th in the PL to 1-2nd. The players they've been signing so far this summer are not dissimilar in quality mind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2019, 08:56:06 AM
I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 08:57:20 AM
Not surprised at all that he is in transfer news. We will be mad to let him go now as I reckon he will be a big factor in us having a decent season in EPL and it will have a negative effect on Jack and the rest of the squad. It will also hinder our ability to secure good players we have targeted.
 Having said that in a world where Griezmann is valued at £100M 50M is a lot yes a lot of money for someone like John. So if they come and John wants to go let’s squeeze as much as we can. They can also pay the Hibs sell on share.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 30, 2019, 09:01:05 AM
It’s Alan Nixon.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 30, 2019, 09:04:00 AM
I think the point is Risso, neither us or Man Utd know how good he is really as he's never played a game in the PL to be fully tested. In which case, £50m sounds like a ridiculous gamble, which i reckon is a bolllox story but i suppose you never fail to be suprised with modern football. It also depends from our point of view how much of a problem it is from FFP and our own resources to be paying £11m for Target, £22m for Wesley, £14m or whatever for Mings, £22m for Butland and £25m or so for Phillips. If we don't really need the money (as i suspect we don't) that's one consideration, but as i stated earlier, whichever way you look at it £50m whould make good business sense for us regardless.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2019, 09:07:04 AM
McGinn is important to the way we play. I like him a lot and think if we added Phillips, sides would be run off the park with them pair.

But £50m is just crazy money and if they're actually willing to pay it, then you could buy a £30m replacement and have money left over to over pay to get Phillips, without disrupting the budget.

But the fee quoted in the article is the price tag we want  not what they're willing to pay. I can't imagine they'd want to pay anything like that. They're a huge club and a huge lure...but no Champions League football, so not quite the opportunity of a lifetime.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2019, 09:09:41 AM
I think the point is Risso, neither us or Man Utd know how good he is really as he's never played a game in the PL to be fully tested. In which case, £50m sounds like a ridiculous gamble, which i reckon is a bolllox story but i suppose you never fail to be suprised with modern football. It also depends from our point of view how much of a problem it is from FFP and our own resources to be paying £11m for Target, £22m for Wesley, £14m or whatever for Mings, £22m for Butland and £25m or so for Phillips. If we don't really need the money (as i suspect we don't) that's one consideration, but as i stated earlier, whichever way you look at it £50m whould make good business sense for us regardless.

Perfect blueprint for having plenty of money in the bank and getting relegated.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on June 30, 2019, 09:15:06 AM
I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.

It's difficult and that is a good argument.  However, we should know by experience that selling our best players weakens the team significantly as we replace them for poorer versions (N'Zogbia for Young, Ayew/Gestede for Bentetke.

SJM improved as the season played out.  Who knows how much more he can improve, playing with and against better players?

For me, in the hypothetical scenario that £50 mil was on the table, I would turn it down.  We already have the money for Phillips and another midfielder and I'm not convinced that Tuanzebe would hit the ground running in the PL.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VillaAlways on June 30, 2019, 09:20:43 AM
Why would John McGinn go to a midtable club on a downward spiral with a shit manager and owners ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2019, 09:28:48 AM
Thinking a out it, why would we want less for him tha Wan-Bissaka went for?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2019, 09:35:12 AM
From an objective point of view there’s no way McGinn is worth £50m.

But we already have far too much to do in this window.  We need some continuity from last season and he is a key player for us.  Retaining PL status is just too important so I’d say right now we just can’t afford to let him go at any price.  Hopefully the owners will nip this in the bud with an unequivocal ‘hands off’
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on June 30, 2019, 09:44:53 AM
Thinking a out it, why would we want less for him tha Wan-Bissaka went for?

Man Utd have set their own bar on signings now. If they’ll spend £50 mill on a young full back it’s atleast £75 mill for a midfielder like SJM. We don’t need or want to sell so it needs to be an unbelievable deal for us to consider it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 30, 2019, 09:49:12 AM
"McGinn is ours
McGinn is ours
Fcuk off Newton Heath
McGinn is ours!"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2019, 09:51:56 AM
Even if there is any truth in it, he won't go anywhere, not yet anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john2710 on June 30, 2019, 09:52:45 AM
What would it cost to replace McGinn & get the level of performance he's going to deliver for us in the Premiership? McGinn will only get better, tell them to get lost.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
A Champions League club would have me more worried.

Still, they are Man United and they do pay ridiculous wages. But they're also an utter shambles, without an identity, full of over paid sulks like Pogba and Sanchez, who will be sacking another manager come December.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 30, 2019, 10:22:57 AM
Did Hibs have the foresight to insert an sell-on clause?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 10:26:40 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 30, 2019, 10:27:00 AM
I'd worry about going into a season in the Premier League without last season's best defender, best striker and second-best (by a whisker) midfielder. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 30, 2019, 10:28:05 AM
Yes.

What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
I'd worry about going into a season in the Premier League without last season's best defender, best striker and second-best (by a whisker) midfielder. 

Well Abraham wont come back but he's been replaced, Mings could still come and Mcginn has not gone anywhere so I'd not worry too much.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 30, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
I'd worry about going into a season in the Premier League without last season's best defender, best striker and second-best (by a whisker) midfielder. 

Well Abraham wont come back but he's been replaced, Mings could still come and Mcginn has not gone anywhere so I'd not worry too much.
You're quite right but until we do sign Mings and Man Utd go fuck themselves it'll be a nagging worry.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 10:32:28 AM
I doubt there is a maximum amount. 15% according to a Hibs forum but they seem to be speculating wildly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard E on June 30, 2019, 10:33:18 AM
I doubt there is much to this story, but if there is then c’est la vie. Players come and players go. ‘Twas ever thus.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 30, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
I think the point is Risso, neither us or Man Utd know how good he is really as he's never played a game in the PL to be fully tested. In which case, £50m sounds like a ridiculous gamble, which i reckon is a bolllox story but i suppose you never fail to be suprised with modern football. It also depends from our point of view how much of a problem it is from FFP and our own resources to be paying £11m for Target, £22m for Wesley, £14m or whatever for Mings, £22m for Butland and £25m or so for Phillips. If we don't really need the money (as i suspect we don't) that's one consideration, but as i stated earlier, whichever way you look at it £50m whould make good business sense for us regardless.

Perfect blueprint for having plenty of money in the bank and getting relegated.

What is? Spending nearly £100m on 5 players and resisting offers for McGinn that are well short of £50m. I would have said that's a blue print for splashing a fortune and establishing ourselves back in the Premier League, not quite sure what you're expecting?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andrew08 on June 30, 2019, 10:36:34 AM
Yes.

What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?

I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 10:37:23 AM
Did Hibs have the foresight to insert an sell-on clause?
Yes.
We expect our Scottish friends to be frugal and fiducial in such matters.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 30, 2019, 10:38:19 AM
I doubt there is a maximum amount. 15% according to a Hibs forum but they seem to be speculating wildly.

Cheers. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: London Villan on June 30, 2019, 10:38:24 AM
Money isnt the issue, getting someone as good as SJM is if we sold him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2019, 10:39:52 AM
Yes.

What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?

I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.

So you'd sell one of our best players just because a big team supposedly put in a bid so we can 'move on'?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 10:40:08 AM
£50 million is what we want, according to the article. Any less does us no favours as it just means Bournemouth, Bristol, Leeds, etc will all bump up their prices for players we are after.

If he has to go I'd rather they make up the deal with players so throw in Tuanzebe, Sanchez and Martial plus cash and I'd think about it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
I personally think it's a load of made up bollocks. Didn't he have a twitter spat with The Sun prior to this 'story' coming out?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 10:43:39 AM
Paying Martial and Sanchez's big fat wage bill will soon get rid os that £50M.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard E on June 30, 2019, 10:44:41 AM
Paying Martial and Sanchez's big fat wage bill will soon get rid os that £50M.

They’ll both be prepared to take a pay cut to join a more prestigious club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on June 30, 2019, 10:54:15 AM
It’s funny how this gets mentioned the moment talks about a new contract start. I wouldn’t rule out an agent leak to push for a better deal. He will sign a new deal and stay for a couple of years.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on June 30, 2019, 11:03:06 AM
IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off.  It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy,  See Dwight Yorke.  It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves.  Sadly, it was ever so.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 30, 2019, 11:06:16 AM
IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off.  It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy,  See Dwight Yorke.  It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves.  Sadly, it was ever so.
Surely we put down a marker last year when we said Jack was not for sale, why would it be any different now with SJM?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 30, 2019, 11:11:15 AM
How many players have we been linked with so far? How many have we signed? The Sun, of all things, runs one word about a player leaving and suddenly it's taken seriously.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2019, 11:11:28 AM
IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off.  It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy,  See Dwight Yorke.  It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves.  Sadly, it was ever so.
What like us with a Leeds and Bristol you mean? 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off.  It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy,  See Dwight Yorke.  It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves.  Sadly, it was ever so.

Isn't that the way football works e.g. we seem to be cherry picking better players from championship clubs going by the links.

Anyway he needs to stay here so I'd just dismiss it as paper talk. One of our crown jewels like Jack that isn't simply for sale at any price imo.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TaxDodger on June 30, 2019, 11:34:10 AM
Given the way our owners handled the Grealish situation and given McGinn’s attitude, I’m not worried at all. It would take an utterly ludicrous offer for us to even consider selling.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Iamkmkm on June 30, 2019, 11:35:31 AM
I would rather still be in the championship then sell McGinn, that's how much i like him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on June 30, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
£50 million? Does that mean after a year in the premier league we'd be wanting something like £80 million?

Probably smarter to hold onto him in that case.

Makes me wonder what someone like Ward Prowse must cost.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2019, 11:38:23 AM
I would rather still be in the championship then sell McGinn, that's how much i like him.

McGinn wouldn't be here if we were still in yhe Championship
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 30, 2019, 11:42:26 AM
The report is that we would (or have) slapped a £50m price tag on McGinn and Man Utd 'could' open with £20m in which case they can go fuck themselves.
I think like most 'stories' you read around this time it's a load of bollocks anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Stu on June 30, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
Man U after a midfielder from Newcastle as well, apparently - Longstaff.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andrew08 on June 30, 2019, 11:48:11 AM
Yes.

What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?

I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.

So you'd sell one of our best players just because a big team supposedly put in a bid so we can 'move on'?

I’d rather we didn’t sell him, but I’d hope we’d ‘move on’ if we did.

Or we could sit and mope about it, is that what you expect us to do? I’d hope we’d signed his replacement and have this eventuality pre planned.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 11:52:26 AM
What I expect us to do is NOT sell one of our best players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 30, 2019, 11:57:21 AM
Probably a few grains of truth in the story.  Every player in the world has a sell price tag on them.  50 million seems about right for McGinn.  Of course I want to keep him though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Billy Walker on June 30, 2019, 12:23:19 PM
We're not owned by Doug Ellis or a fatigued Randy Lerner any more.  If the present day Villa hierarchy don't want to sell a player, they won't sell a player.   If there is even a grain of truth to this story man utd will quickly get the same message as spurs did about Grealish last year. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2019, 12:55:03 PM
Yes.

What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?

I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.

So you'd sell one of our best players just because a big team supposedly put in a bid so we can 'move on'?

I’d rather we didn’t sell him, but I’d hope we’d ‘move on’ if we did.

Or we could sit and mope about it, is that what you expect us to do? I’d hope we’d signed his replacement and have this eventuality pre planned.

But you are talking as if it's already done and not just a few hours old paper rumour.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 01:00:39 PM
Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.

Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on June 30, 2019, 01:09:14 PM
John McGinn is a brilliant, brilliant player for us - and almost certainly essential if we're to consolidate as a premier league force this coming season.

BUT - do you really think ManU would spend £50m on him to add to a midfield that includes Pogba, Mata, Herrera, Lindgard, and Matic and think McGinn in the one who helps them go from outside the champions league places to title contenders? I don't.

Next summer, after he's spent a year showing everyone what he can do in the top flight, maybe - but for a team hoping to make up a thirty point gap on the champions, I just don't see it. 

Can you imagine the fan reaction if they spent £50m on a player who spent last season in the championship for a team that didn't even go up automatically? It just doesn't pass the smell test. At all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2019, 01:13:12 PM
I'm not really surprised at this story, he's a very good player indeed, highly unlikely we'd sell him though. He's also very close to grealish, so I think selling him would have a knock on effect on Jack.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 30, 2019, 01:16:36 PM
Herrera isn’t there any longer, he left on a free,so they have a space in the middle.

They have paid £50m for Wan Bissaka so it’s not beyond the realms of possibility they could pay the same for SGM

Just hope we tell them where to go if they do come calling, the thing is a club like United May only call once and players get their heads turned by such offers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 01:18:14 PM
John McGinn is a brilliant, brilliant player for us - and almost certainly essential if we're to consolidate as a premier league force this coming season.

BUT - do you really think ManU would spend £50m on him to add to a midfield that includes Pogba, Mata, Herrera, Lindgard, and Matic and think McGinn in the one who helps them go from outside the champions league places to title contenders? I don't.

Next summer, after he's spent a year showing everyone what he can do in the top flight, maybe - but for a team hoping to make up a thirty point gap on the champions, I just don't see it. 

Can you imagine the fan reaction if they spent £50m on a player who spent last season in the championship for a team that didn't even go up automatically? It just doesn't pass the smell test. At all.

Pogba wants to leave, Herrera already has (PSG), Matic looked past it in run in last season although still there, Mata and Lingard more number 10 players . Certainly an area where they could sign 1-2 players.

Man. United policy now seems to be going after under 25 players given the two they've signed already, that said I've read they're more interested in Longstaff from Newcastle.

Edit: They signed Fred for 50m last summer but he looked ill suited to premier league. Still there for now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2019, 01:19:24 PM
I think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.

What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on June 30, 2019, 01:25:22 PM
I just think it would be a lose-lose(-lose). SJM is so great but I'm not convinced that he's ready to be the kind of player that United expect for £50m, even these days, and he'd be going into a situation highly unlikely to help him settle in and succeed in any long term sense. United are a shambles, Solskjaer doomed to failure and I could well imagine players like SJM and Wan Bissaka being made scapegoats (partly based on their fees) after United inevitably fail to get back into the Champions League again. Meanwhile, we get a bunch of money but we already have too many to replace, we can't replace both his quality and his understanding with Jack just overnight. It could well end up a legendary bad transfer for all concerned.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 30, 2019, 01:41:01 PM
I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.
I agree.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 01:47:31 PM
If we sign a good DM (not convicned at premier league level Phillips would be) then him, Grealish and McGinn is mid table level standard premier league midfield.

It's the area where we would have least amount of work to do in building the club up.

If we sell McGinn we also have to replace him while also find two good centre halfs, another decent wide player and prolific striker.

At this stage of building the club up I just don't feel it would be smart move to cash in. It would be similar to Wolves selling Ruben Neves last summer when his stock was high.

They kept him, signed 2-3 other quality players around him and he more than played his part in them finishing 7th.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 01:59:02 PM
I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.
I agree.

I don't. We have loads of money, just go and improve the squad without selling any of our star players.

In any case, they haven't offered £50 million, the article suggests that's what we want, not what they want to pay. They would likely offer roughly the same amount that Leeds want for Phillips.

It would be a completely pointless deal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on June 30, 2019, 02:05:22 PM
I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.
Phillips and Tuanzebe would be the best part of £30m, taking into account the Leeds valuation for Phillips.
Who would you get that is better than McGinn for the remaining money?
I agree.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2019, 02:27:27 PM
Yeah, Wolves players like Neves, Jota and the manager seem to slip under the radar. Having said that, I think SJM is better than Neves!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 02:29:41 PM
Yeah, Wolves players like Neves, Jota and the manager seem to slip under the radar. Having said that, I think SJM is better than Neves!
No comparison as they are totally different players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 02:45:46 PM
Yeah, Wolves players like Neves, Jota and the manager seem to slip under the radar. Having said that, I think SJM is better than Neves!

Neves was being linked to Man. City last season although seems to have gone quiet there so hopefully little in this McGinn link aswell. Seems Wolves put 100m price tag and Pep was no longer interested.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2019, 02:49:36 PM
If this wasn’t bad enough now word coming out that Grealish is being targeted by PSG if they sell Neymar.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 30, 2019, 03:16:03 PM
It gets worse, word is Barcelona are after Taylor.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 30, 2019, 03:21:16 PM


If Man U really put a 50m bid in i don't think we could turn it down to be honest. I mean, technically we could but is McGinn worth 50m?

Plus he might actually want to go if they did of course.

35m and Tuanzebe ?

Obviously the ideal scenario would be to say fuck off and still sign Tuanzebe from them
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2019, 03:32:24 PM
That’s nothing. Nixon is now suggesting, and it’s a little alarming that Barca are considered Coutinho in a swap deal for Tshibola. Villa are apparently “bracing themselves”.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on June 30, 2019, 06:32:06 PM
Not sure why he'd want to leave a successful team and a club on the up for a club in chaos?

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on June 30, 2019, 08:42:24 PM
I think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.

What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.

Mata signed a new contract
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 30, 2019, 08:58:12 PM
If was Man City calling, I might be worried but Man United? Nah.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VillaAlways on June 30, 2019, 08:58:49 PM
I think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.

What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.

Mata signed a new contract
He did. Their “fans” were  livid
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: manic-road on June 30, 2019, 09:57:56 PM
Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.

Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.

If a big enough/stupid offer went in for any player they would consider it. I think it's bullshit about wee John but £50m I'd sell at that price.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2019, 10:48:00 PM
I think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.

What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.

Mata signed a new contract
He did. Their “fans” were  livid
Wow.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 01, 2019, 11:53:41 AM
Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.

Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.

Tottenham will improve their previos offer from last season to £27.50 Million any day now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 01, 2019, 01:49:15 PM
Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.

Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.

Tottenham will improve their previos offer from last season to £27.50 Million any day now.


We wont go a penny over a fiver but will lob in a goldfish and balloon.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on July 01, 2019, 04:55:52 PM
Not sure why he'd want to leave a successful team and a club on the up for a club in chaos?



Indeed. If he's going to step up to the Premier League I find it difficult to think of a better option to make that step with than Villa.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TonyD on July 01, 2019, 06:28:40 PM
£50m is bugger all these days. Gets you 2 x Championship defenders.  McGinn is worth more than 2 x Championship defenders.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on July 01, 2019, 06:43:43 PM
There are so few examples of big money fees being deployed well by the selling club.

It feels to me like managers and clubs are wise to this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 06:57:03 PM
I'm fine with the idea of selling players for top money in general, I think that a big part of the reason why money is such a fucking mess in English football is that too many clubs have forgotten this, but this summer letting Grealish or McGinn leave would be a massive mistake. Staying in the league is the number one priority this season and the best way to do that is to keep the best players from last season where we can, That means, in priority order, Jack, Mings, McGinn and El Ghazi. We should be building the 11 around those guys and then using starters and fringe players from last season (Elmo, Taylor, Steer, Hourihane, Hause, Chester, Kodjia, Green) as much as possible on the bench, etc. It sees a dramatic improvement in the team but minimises the the overall squad changes which helps keep the winning culture we formed in place.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on July 01, 2019, 08:42:27 PM
Think in England at least, the transfer fees are so mental because TV money means no club is under any real financial pressure to sell.

It's why Palace can ask £50 million for Wan Bissaka, Leicester can ask £70 million for Maguire and just shrug if the interested clubs back off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 09:13:45 PM
Think in England at least, the transfer fees are so mental because TV money means no club is under any real financial pressure to sell.

It's why Palace can ask £50 million for Wan Bissaka, Leicester can ask £70 million for Maguire and just shrug if the interested clubs back off.

But how does that apply to Bristol and Leeds wanting £20m+ for Webster and Phillips? Or Justin going for £8m. Those fees are inflated partly because there's loads of money around but also because so many clubs would rather bring players through after they have experience of first team football elsewhere.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wolfman999 on July 02, 2019, 12:46:39 PM
Think in England at least, the transfer fees are so mental because TV money means no club is under any real financial pressure to sell.

It's why Palace can ask £50 million for Wan Bissaka, Leicester can ask £70 million for Maguire and just shrug if the interested clubs back off.

But how does that apply to Bristol and Leeds wanting £20m+ for Webster and Phillips? Or Justin going for £8m. Those fees are inflated partly because there's loads of money around but also because so many clubs would rather bring players through after they have experience of first team football elsewhere.

The huge money available to Premiership clubs can be both a benefit and a curse. Clubs will quote higher prices because they know you have the money hence the inflation which filters down the leagues. Can't blame them really, I would.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 02, 2019, 01:38:26 PM
The professional, head side of me thinks that if £50million was offered for each of Grealish or McGinn  then the club should rip their hands off

The heart, emotional side of me thinks that these 2 represent the ethos and the whole spirit and heartbeat of our club so it could not be replaced.

And if I were to sell it would not be to that Red filth from Manchester
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mike on July 02, 2019, 01:45:46 PM
The professional, head side of me thinks that if £50million was offered for each of Grealish or McGinn  then the club should rip their hands off

The heart, emotional side of me thinks that these 2 represent the ethos and the whole spirit and heartbeat of our club so it could not be replaced.

And if I were to sell it would not be to that Red filth from Manchester

I think our survival this year depends upon keeping the heartbeat of the club, which is McGinn/Grealish. We couldn't just replace them like for like, and even if we could, the soul would have been ripped out of the squad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 02, 2019, 02:00:07 PM
When people are paying 50 million for a rookie full back, you wonder how we could replace Jack for a similar fee.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
I agree.  I think it's a situation where what they are worth to us right now probably far exceeds any objective market value.  Once we are safely consolidated in the league then wheeling and dealing has less risk.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 02:32:08 PM
When people are paying 50 million for a rookie full back, you wonder how we could replace Jack for a similar fee.
Man Utd appear to have shot themselves in the foot with that £50m signing...Leicester are already (and quite rightly) using it as a milestone and comparison for Man Utd’s pursuit of McGuire stating that £75m isn’t enough for an experienced international CB.

For me, £50-60m would be very tempting for SJM but he is worth more to us than his market value. If there were many affordable replacements available then Man Utd would be chasing those. We need to strengthen our team not weaken it by letting our best players go.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on July 02, 2019, 04:13:09 PM
The professional, head side of me thinks that if £50million was offered for each of Grealish or McGinn  then the club should rip their hands off

The heart, emotional side of me thinks that these 2 represent the ethos and the whole spirit and heartbeat of our club so it could not be replaced.

And if I were to sell it would not be to that Red filth from Manchester

I think our survival this year depends upon keeping the heartbeat of the club, which is McGinn/Grealish. We couldn't just replace them like for like, and even if we could, the soul would have been ripped out of the squad.

The logical side of me says that if we sold Grealish and Mcginn for whatever price we'd be heading straight back down to the Championship. You don't just replace players like that with ease. O maybe Jordan Vertout is available again?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 01:20:58 PM
Not sure when this is from but must be recent looking at the Kappa badges on the training kit Jack and John. Brilliant

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1149814288820908034?s=12
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2019, 09:57:04 PM
Having fun. Good, team bonding and togetherness gonna be so important this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2019, 11:19:26 PM
To be handed a bumper contract according to papers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2019, 11:22:36 PM
Good stuff.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jcsutv on July 13, 2019, 11:25:12 PM
To be handed a bumper contract according to papers.

Well deserved
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 14, 2019, 12:12:06 AM
In the  worst financial situation in our history we told Tottenham to fcuk off about signing Grealish. No way on earth are we letting who the fcuk are man united sign the best player we’ve had for the last 8 seasons.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2019, 12:36:19 AM
Whilst really important to strengthen the side, also equally important to retain and reward those who got us here!  A la Hourihane!  Bumper 5 year contract for SJM please.  I am so looking forward to seeing SJM, Jack and Douglas in the centre of the park. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 15, 2019, 09:42:57 AM
I agree let's tie SJM down to a new long term contract it makes sense.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on July 16, 2019, 09:12:28 AM
I know there’s a lot of contract work going on but this was talked about a long time ago (approaching 8 weeks from Wembley). Needs urgently sorting
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2019, 09:16:05 AM
I know there’s a lot of contract work going on but this was talked about a long time ago (approaching 8 weeks from Wembley). Needs urgently sorting

Not really. He's only a year into his present one.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 25, 2019, 03:14:12 PM
Where is John going to play?  I am getting worried for him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 03:18:27 PM
Where is John going to play?  I am getting worried for him.

Why? We can’t just rely on him and he needs competition too. I want us to play different styles and there will be times when he doesn’t start he will be massively effective coming of the bench late in games. I still remember the first time I saw Ronaldo on the bench for Man U. A bloke who’s scored 50 or so in a season being rotated. If it’s good enough for the biggest clubs out there to rotate their star players then we absolutely need to have the squad depth to do the same. For years our bench has been a huge drop off in quality to our first team. It won’t be anymore.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 03:21:03 PM
John will start our season in midfield with Jack.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 03:22:53 PM
Where is John going to play?  I am getting worried for him.

Start of season....... Conor, John, Jack

By mid Sep....... Doug, John, Jack
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 25, 2019, 03:24:01 PM
Absolutely.  SJM has to up and maintain his level of involvement and energy to be a starter.  That's the way it has to be. Hourihane and Green will be the peripheral players in the squad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on July 25, 2019, 03:24:28 PM
We also know too well that sjm tends to fracture the odd rule here and there that ultimately leads to suspensions.  This could be quite a problem for him in the PL and it will be interesting to see how he gets on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on July 25, 2019, 03:25:32 PM
Where is John going to play?  I am getting worried for him.

Start of season....... Conor, John, Jack

By mid Sep....... Doug, John, Jack

Please God, not Conor at Spurs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 27, 2019, 07:32:04 PM
I want his children.  Even though I’m 49.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on July 27, 2019, 08:08:29 PM
I want to ruffle his hair and say keep it up mate, really good goal today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 27, 2019, 08:15:42 PM
He's realising that he's got to up his game to stay in the side. Which is as it should be.
Can only be good for the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2019, 08:17:26 PM
I love that McGinn and Jota cost us £4.5m and they look as if they are worth £45m.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 27, 2019, 09:11:04 PM
That’s a really good point.  I was listening to some Fcukin idiots the other day.  Allardyce might have been one saying you are better off buying three quality players for the amount we have spent.  No Sam we have actually gone out and researched.  Not signed Fcukin Jerkoff at the end of his career on a massive payday.  Even though he did okay for them.
Title: Re: John McGinn
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 27, 2019, 09:14:33 PM
Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.

One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.

Loved Dessie Bremner. He ran all day, simply did not stop.

If McGinn is as good a player and is as committed as he was, we will be very lucky and I will be very happy. The perfect foil for Sid, Dennis Mortimer, and Tony Morley.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/niDXLe/Des_Bremner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/niDXLe)

What do you reckon?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2019, 10:58:41 PM
I hope that we remember SJM in years to come, the way we remember Des Bremner. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on July 27, 2019, 11:05:05 PM
I hope that we remember SJM in years to come, the way we remember Des Bremner. 
Yeh did that a while ago .... there was talk since Wembley that he would be tied down to an improved contract . Unusually that’s all gone  very quiet
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2019, 11:08:49 PM
I hope that we remember SJM in years to come, the way we remember Des Bremner. 
Yeh did that a while ago .... there was talk since Wembley that he would be tied down to an improved contract . Unusually that’s all gone  very quiet

True, but hoes does still have another three years left I guess.  The club won't sell unless they really have to and I don't think even Man United can afford SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 27, 2019, 11:35:41 PM
Fergie allegedly wants United to sign him.

I can’t see it ( hopefully)

(https://i.ibb.co/WDR8F3f/1-BEDBD76-533-A-4508-9-CE8-E8-E9975-A7608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WDR8F3f)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2019, 11:39:14 PM
Just shows that he has not lost any of his fucking arrogance.
Twat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on July 27, 2019, 11:40:22 PM
Who do they think they are? 😂

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: malckennedy on July 27, 2019, 11:42:25 PM
Fergie allegedly wants United to sign him.

I can’t see it ( hopefully)

(https://i.ibb.co/WDR8F3f/1-BEDBD76-533-A-4508-9-CE8-E8-E9975-A7608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WDR8F3f)


Yes, the twat in the Scum says Ferguson wants him. I think that, if this if true, then Ferguson will have to go on wanting! We’re not quite in the position we were just over a year ago.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2019, 11:43:36 PM
Fergie allegedly wants United to sign him.

I can’t see it ( hopefully)

(https://i.ibb.co/WDR8F3f/1-BEDBD76-533-A-4508-9-CE8-E8-E9975-A7608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WDR8F3f)


Yes, the twat in the Scum says Ferguson wants him. I think that, if this if true, then Ferguson will have to go on wanting! We’re not quite in the position we were just over a year ago.
And neither are they.
They are a shambles of a club right now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2019, 11:44:41 PM
"Sir Alex Ferguson tells Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to sign Aston Villa star John McGinn" hopefully the headline tomorrow is "OGS tells Ferguson to fuck off and reminds him that he is no longer a manager, so fuck off again, twat."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on July 27, 2019, 11:45:37 PM
It was cobblers a month ago, A £50 million bid was imminent wasn't it? And it's bunkum now. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2019, 11:46:55 PM
If Fergie thinks that highly of him maybe he can write a nice letter to these owners. See how far he gets.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on July 27, 2019, 11:51:57 PM
It was cobblers a month ago, A £50 million bid was imminent wasn't it? And it's bunkum now. 

£50m ? That's a joke considering Palace want upwards of £70m for the bang average Wilfred Zaha. We need to show intent and get SJM on a longer lucrative contract sharpish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 28, 2019, 12:53:30 AM
And if that isn't being mooted amongst the Villa hierarchy...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2019, 12:58:42 AM
And if that isn't being mooted amongst the Villa hierarchy...

If he's worth that now, think what he'll be worth in a years time.

That only questiion, would be mad to sell him now not just from a team point of view.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2019, 02:03:33 AM
There is not a chance in hell we will sell him. It’s not just about market value or a number. John McGinn is the embodiment of all that is great about us right now. He is as much the heart and soul of the team as Jack is. Or Tyrone. He is what we have come to love about this team. He represents intangibles that simply cannot he measured or written on a piece of paper or as a figure next to a pound sign on a cheque. He might not be the best midfielder in the world. Heck he might not be the best midfielder we have at the club. But on and off the pitch he is everything we want in a man Aston Villa player. And I’m sure Dean Smith, Purslow and our owners know that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on July 28, 2019, 07:46:11 AM
Seconded and well said
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Baldy on July 28, 2019, 07:53:37 AM
Thirded (if that is a word)  :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 28, 2019, 08:14:04 AM
There is not a chance in hell we will sell him. It’s not just about market value or a number. John McGinn is the embodiment of all that is great about us right now. He is as much the heart and soul of the team as Jack is. Or Tyrone. He is what we have come to love about this team. He represents intangibles that simply cannot he measured or written on a piece of paper or as a figure next to a pound sign on a cheque. He might not be the best midfielder in the world. Heck he might not be the best midfielder we have at the club. But on and off the pitch he is everything we want in a man Aston Villa player. And I’m sure Dean Smith, Purslow and our owners know that.

Superbly put.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on July 28, 2019, 08:54:16 AM
I can’t see him going anywhere yet, the clubs higher up the food chain will be reluctant to pay what we’d want for him, and it would certainly be higher than the fees quoted here, before he’s proved without doubt that he can do it in the PL.

He’s a massive talent when we have the ball and has great energy for when we press, be interesting to see how his positional play without possession develops.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on July 28, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
no point talking about how good McGinn is as he’s going to Man Utd £50m

Source -












Twitter
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Baldy on July 28, 2019, 09:33:32 AM
Out of curiosity, just had a peep at the Man Utd message board (redcafe) and the consensus seems to be 'give McGinn one year with Villa in the EPL to see how he does before contemplating 50 million quid'.

In the main they were very complimentary towards him and Jack but acknowledge that Villa are no longer a feeder club and do not need to sell.

Our improved status is not going unnoticed!! Long may it continue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on July 28, 2019, 11:58:17 AM
I do believe Man Utd can fuck right off. We've built a team around players like McGinn.

So do one you has beens. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on July 28, 2019, 12:00:43 PM
Snigger....

https://mobile.twitter.com/mrjimmyhessel/status/1155407027604262912
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2019, 12:19:06 PM
Once he's proven he can do it in the PL, it will push the price up to silly money with an extra zero on the price.  Be great to offer him a new contract but given he has another three years to run, the club hold the cards on this one.  Every player has a price but I don't see them offering enough to tempt us. I also agree with other than OGS will be out by the end of the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on July 28, 2019, 03:39:01 PM
For such a successful club Yanoited is just in constant panic mode. We don’t need 50m right now and it would take months worth of scouting to replace the value McGinn brings to the team. We’ve abandoned the concept of leaving important business late and can’t see this happening. I do love laughing at Woodward though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 28, 2019, 06:05:36 PM
Out of curiosity, just had a peep at the Man Utd message board (redcafe) and the consensus seems to be 'give McGinn one year with Villa in the EPL to see how he does before contemplating 50 million quid'.


Once McGinn shows the uneducated Premier League watchers just how good he really is, £50m will be nowhere near enough in our crazy transfer market.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2019, 06:27:52 PM
 We will be walking all over Europe with McGinn next season don't worry
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 02, 2019, 09:42:39 AM
Anyone got subscription to paste the full text?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/john-mcginn-trains-like-a-demon-he-reminds-me-of-wayne-rooney-zxn6vwdkm
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kieron on August 02, 2019, 09:55:18 AM
Quote
Firstly, John McGinn launched the press to force a mistake from a panicked rival before pouncing on the error to dart forward with the ball at his feet. There was a scything challenge from a defender, desperately seeking to avert danger, to vault over, before bursting into the penalty area where he showcased some fancy footwork to flummox an embarrassed goalkeeper.

A close-range finish into a gaping net brought an end to eight seconds of mayhem for Aston Villa in a 4-1 victory over Charlton Athletic in their penultimate pre-season fixture and served to whet the appetite for what might follow.

“What happened at the weekend will happen many more times in the Premier League,” says Andy Holden, a former Everton coach. “That goal is John in a nutshell. Not many midfielders do what he does.”

Holden speaks from experience having worked with McGinn at Hibernian while a member of Alan Stubbs’s coaching staff and has championed the 24-year-old long before Villa’s return to the top flight was confirmed in May. Typically, it was McGinn who scored the decisive goal at Wembley in a 2-1 victory over Derby County.

A year ago, the Scotland international was preparing to move from Hibernian to the Championship for what has proved, in this money-flushed era, a bargain £3 million fee, and another step up in a career set on fast-forward.

McGinn can already count on the adoration of the Holte End, but boasts the potential to earn himself an army of new admirers next season as his all-action style and penchant for the spectacular gains wider attention. For rivals he is not so much one to watch, as one to stifle.

“He is a throwback,” says Holden, who also spent more than a decade as a coach at Everton before two seasons in Edinburgh as McGinn helped Hibernian win the Scottish Cup for the first time in more than a century in 2016.

“At Hibs, he would be the first one out to train and he’d ask, ‘What was Wayne Rooney like?’

“I’d say, ‘Just like you, son.’ Wayne would be the first out with a bag of balls on his back and last in carrying a bag of balls as well.

“They are different players, and you can’t compare what they have done, but in terms of loving football and having drive and focus they are very similar.

“John trains like a demon, cares massively about what he does and he is a gem of a kid. In the dressing room, he will say something to gee-up his team-mates but what sets him apart is that he also has the ability to do things in a game that lead the way as well.

“I’m sure a lot of people will see that over the coming months.”

The education McGinn received in his homeland with St Mirren and then Hibs ensured he arrived at Villa with almost 200 appearances in senior football under his belt by the age of 23.

If Steve Bruce did little to endear himself to the Villa fans during his tenure, then he can, at least, point to one of his last acts being to recruit the high-octane midfielder who will look to continue offering both industry and inspiration.

Having also signed Andrew Robertson during his time in charge at Hull City, Bruce seems decidedly less sniffy about recruiting from Scotland than those who prefer to wait to see how exports fare south of the border.

Like Robertson and Virgil van Dijk, McGinn is also attracting interest from the established elite.

Manchester United have watched McGinn — Sir Alex Ferguson knows his grandfather, Jack, a former chairman of Celtic — but the likelihood remains that he signs a new long-term contract at Villa Park.

If the new season goes as predicted for McGinn then Villa’s foresight will be rewarded.

“He won’t have any fears about the Premier League. He will actually get more time to play, more time to get on the ball and influence matches; name the midfielders who do what he does.

“People thought of him as a battering ram, but he’s much more than that. He’ll drive past you and if he sends a shot 30 yards over the crossbar, it won’t bother him because he will back himself to put it in the top corner next time.

“We worked on his distances at Hibs because sometimes he would come too deep and get the ball off the centre halves and play the pass they could have played,” continued Holden.

“But he quickly learnt and if I shouted ‘McGinn’ he would just raise his hand in acknowledgement and move forward to where he could influence the game better.

“He’s at a massive club at Villa, but there’ll be plenty of clubs doing homework on John this season. He’s a special kid and a special player.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on August 02, 2019, 10:03:49 AM
Thank you for posting that, Kieron. A great read.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 02, 2019, 12:11:56 PM
Thanks Kieron.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 02, 2019, 12:25:51 PM
I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feeling

The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.

I really do think he will surprise a few this year
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2019, 12:51:53 PM
I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feeling

The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.

I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: bjfoster on August 02, 2019, 12:57:58 PM
“People thought of him as a battering ram, but he’s much more than that. He’ll drive past you and if he sends a shot 30 yards over the crossbar, it won’t bother him because he will back himself to put it in the top corner next time.

This. A million times over.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on August 02, 2019, 01:06:36 PM
Saw on The Villa View podcast that John McGinn has a face that makes Dan laugh. I have to agree. He has a cheeky little face that brightens up my day.

Can't wait to see him work his magic in the PL.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2019, 01:35:40 PM
I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feeling

The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.

I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.

I completely agree with this, I think that's exactly how we'll play and it wouldn't surprise me if one of the wide players ends up being our top scorer this year.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 04, 2019, 07:41:06 PM
From a Spuds forum :

Worrying about John McGinn, I've seen it all now.

Maybe someone could put this up by his peg in the changing room....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on August 04, 2019, 07:46:34 PM
From a Spuds forum :

Worrying about John McGinn, I've seen it all now.

Maybe someone could put this up by his peg in the changing room....

If we win and McGinn scores in the game, this is my new sig.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: algy on August 04, 2019, 08:02:59 PM
I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feeling

The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.

I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
That's pretty much how I've seen it. To me, Big Wes has been brought in not because he'll score 20 goals a season, but that he'll score 10 and set up another 20 or so. Can see us having half a dozen players on, or close to, the 10 goal mark.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2019, 10:16:48 PM
I've yet to see a team that can shut down both Jack and John. Focus on one and the other will punish you. Quite happy that SJM has been scoring the goals, it will give Jack a bit more freedom. It's up to him to take advantage of the space.

On a side note, if Jack had scored the same goals as John, the Villa internet and beyond would be in meltdown. Quality wise, you can't separate them with a cigarette paper. Jack may take the headlines but together they're unstoppable. Completely different players but both adding that magic. Second half on Saturday I wondered if Jack had been subbed at half time. Then I saw SJM. We are seriously blessed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on August 04, 2019, 10:25:36 PM
Jack and John go together like curry and rice.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mike on August 05, 2019, 06:38:22 AM
Jack and John go together like curry and rice.

I think you mean naan.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on August 05, 2019, 07:03:58 AM
I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feeling

The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.

I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
That's pretty much how I've seen it. To me, Big Wes has been brought in not because he'll score 20 goals a season, but that he'll score 10 and set up another 20 or so. Can see us having half a dozen players on, or close to, the 10 goal mark.

It seemed to be the case at Brentford, too. They always used to have so many different goalscorers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 05, 2019, 01:46:58 PM
If you really only have a single goal threat then if a team stops him then they don't score. We have goals all over the team, especially from midfield, out wide and a serious threat from dead balls with our CD's and Conor.
Will be difficult for opposition to know who to try and nullify.

The most important thing of all is that even on a bad day and we possibly get thumped you just know the line up and tactics were to win the game and we were only let down by the unplanned individual error or a bit of genius from a better quality team / player.

And for me - I could not ask any more than that
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 08, 2019, 09:47:18 AM
New 5 year contract just signed
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on August 08, 2019, 09:47:43 AM
Club just announced he’s signed a new improved 5 year contract !
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2019, 09:48:33 AM
Lovely stuff.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on August 08, 2019, 09:50:09 AM
Signing of the summer
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on August 08, 2019, 09:50:27 AM
How many times has that been said
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: manic-road on August 08, 2019, 09:50:39 AM
Lovely stuff and well deserved.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frank black on August 08, 2019, 09:50:50 AM
Great news, wonder if his agent linking him with Man U got him an extra x a week. 😂

Top player
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2019, 09:51:49 AM
Boom !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 08, 2019, 09:58:32 AM
Great news on SJM. Deserved improved deal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on August 08, 2019, 09:59:19 AM
Fantastic news!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 10:03:31 AM
Great stuff. I have lots of favourites, lately. But I think he might be my favourite favourite.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on August 08, 2019, 10:04:39 AM
We've got (for the next 5 years) McGinn, Super John McGinn

Great news




Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villan For Life on August 08, 2019, 10:05:38 AM
Fantastic news and well deserved
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 08, 2019, 10:06:19 AM
It's like a new signing.


Oh and piss off yer whisky faced old has been, he's ours.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 08, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
And quite right too. I just love the bloke!

Unlucky, Newton Heath...  :D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 08, 2019, 10:15:46 AM
‘Ole in last day trolley dash for Mcg....’ oh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2019, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: Super John McGinn
“I have loved every minute of my time at Aston Villa and I am delighted to commit myself to the club for the long term,"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 08, 2019, 10:23:31 AM
Good news. I wonder what will happen on the 08/08/20 ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 08, 2019, 10:33:04 AM
Happy with this. Good luck John for the season
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Keeno on August 08, 2019, 10:43:09 AM
I wonder if he has a release clause, and would like to speculate on how big it might be.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 08, 2019, 10:48:40 AM
It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.

Andy Gray certainly,  Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter.  There's probably more I know. 

SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player.  Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there.  you gotta love SJM .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mattjpa on August 08, 2019, 10:51:39 AM
I wonder if he has a release clause, and would like to speculate on how big it might be.

I mean this in all seriousness...If we have a release clause of anything less than 100m we are fucking mental. If 80m for McGuire is acceptable this year, what will prices be like in 2years. SJM like Jack is going to make people sit up and take serious notice this year
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 08, 2019, 10:56:04 AM
I'd rather have this than a new striker, I think.

McGinn could probably do a good job for us up front, anyway.  :P
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on August 08, 2019, 10:56:41 AM
I'm happy over the moon with this news 5 more year's of SJM brilliant news.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Border villan on August 08, 2019, 10:58:00 AM
It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.

Andy Gray certainly,  Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter.  There's probably more I know. 

SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player.  Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there.  you gotta love SJM .
Alex Cropley, Des Bremner.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on August 08, 2019, 11:02:48 AM
It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.

Andy Gray certainly,  Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter.  There's probably more I know. 

SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player.  Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there.  you gotta love SJM .
Alex Cropley, Des Bremner.
George Ramsay
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: The Moose on August 08, 2019, 11:10:37 AM
Andy Lochhead
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Perthvillan on August 08, 2019, 11:16:19 AM
Absolutely over the moon about this.
Super John McGinn epitomises everything we are.
It's clear that he loves Villa as much as we love him.
Newton Heath was never in the hunt.
Their time is fast approaching.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 11:59:48 AM
I want to ruffle his hair and pinch his cheeks.

Excellent news, good luck for the season John  8)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on August 08, 2019, 12:17:32 PM
I thought I was long past having a favourite player. Far too old and cynical now for that schoolboy hero worship stuff.

John McGinn is my favourite player.  I Effing love him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on August 08, 2019, 12:40:53 PM
Excellent news.

100m to Real Madrid in 2021
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Oscar Arce on August 08, 2019, 01:40:27 PM
This is the best signing of the Summer, Mings and Heaton joint second.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt C on August 08, 2019, 01:42:25 PM
More excellent news. Great summer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 08, 2019, 02:43:45 PM
He's infectious. Imagine having to look that smiling little face in the eye after a game when you've come off the pitch and not given as much as he has. Shame, shame on you.

Brilliant news.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on August 08, 2019, 02:48:09 PM
Excellent news.

100m to Real Madrid in 2021

A derisory opening bid if ever I saw one.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT Villan on August 08, 2019, 02:54:36 PM
It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.

Andy Gray certainly,  Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter.  There's probably more I know. 

SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player.  Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there.  you gotta love SJM .

and Ken McNaught
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: thick_mike on August 08, 2019, 03:12:34 PM
It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.

Andy Gray certainly,  Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter.  There's probably more I know. 

SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player.  Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there.  you gotta love SJM .

and Ken McNaught
And Des Bremner
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2019, 03:13:40 PM
Excellent news.

100m to Real Madrid in 2021

Who will we be paying them that much for?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2019, 03:14:48 PM
I thought I was long past having a favourite player. Far too old and cynical now for that schoolboy hero worship stuff.

John McGinn is my favourite player.  I Effing love him.

This.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2019, 03:16:57 PM
Not sure I could choose between Mings, McGinn and Jack to be honest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on August 08, 2019, 03:27:30 PM
Excellent news.

100m to Real Madrid in 2021

Why would he want to leave the Champions League winners to go to Madrid?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 08, 2019, 04:59:51 PM
Really good news and whilst we are discussing this, off at a tangent I'd like to wish Hibs all the best for the coming season, they sold us a good 'un.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: p_ad on August 08, 2019, 05:08:34 PM
Great player ,great attitude , and just seems a fun bloke to have around the squad
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on August 08, 2019, 07:45:02 PM
Remember when we did that quirky secret reveal video last year when he signed? I was actually dissapointed at the time because I wanted it to be Joe Bryan. What a twat I am.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2019, 09:05:43 PM
Great player, absolutely fantastic news that he's staying for many years, alongside Jack and Douglas.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wozwebs on August 08, 2019, 09:17:15 PM
Just a couple of years ago I pretty much had no affinity with any of our players like I used to with the likes of McGrath, Platt, Daley, Mellberg, Taylor, Lauren etc. Didn't like any of them in that way but now we have McGinn, Grealish and Mings and a few others not forgetting Dean Smith and I'm feeling more positive about the club that I have since the Big Ron, John Gregory and start of MON eras.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 08, 2019, 09:23:17 PM
^I feel exactly the same !! 😀
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on August 08, 2019, 09:43:04 PM
“We’ve got our Villa back!!!”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on August 08, 2019, 10:45:23 PM
What is so exciting is that our number 7 is about to be unleashed on a largely unexpected public.

I cannot wait
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2019, 04:24:02 AM
Sky

Quote
Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn says he laughed off links to Manchester United and that he is delighted to have signed a long-term deal with his current club.

Having helped Villa back to the top flight, McGinn was mentioned as a possible United target in the summer, with Sir
Alex Ferguson reportedly championing him.

However, McGinn was rewarded with a new five-year contract at Villa on Thursday ahead of Saturday's trip to Tottenham

And the Scotland international admitted he was baffled at the United speculation.

"I had a little chuckle at it to be honest," said McGinn. "I'm sure a lot of people did.

"It is up to me to go and prove it is justified. At that point, my whole mindset was on Villa and being successful here.

"I have still got so much left to learn and prove.

"In the environment here I am appreciated. I'm loved and respected by everyone - there is no better feeling. I still have to pinch myself driving in.

"I feel like one of the main players here but I still need to improve and get better.

"To have any speculation lingering about isn't what you want.

"I'm just glad to be settled and to focus on the next five years."

Villa signed 12 new players during pre-season in a spending spree of £130million, including new £22m record buy Wesley from Club Brugge.

Boss Dean Smith has revamped his squad and McGinn knows the jury is out regarding that strategy.

"I am not sure," he said. "There are a lot of new signings.

"A lot of boys have had to get their visas and stuff sorted, get used to the cuisine in Birmingham and the temperature. It took me seven months to get used to it.

"They are nice lads, no egos, I think that is important, with Villa being in the Premier League.

"Speaking to some of the experienced boys they all say Villa had a reputation for bad characters and big egos.

"I don't think we have that now.

"It is an important trait to have for a hard-working club. I think they have recruited well in that sense."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dicedlam on August 10, 2019, 03:45:48 PM
Great player, absolutely fantastic news that he's staying for many years, alongside Jack and Douglas.

"Phwaay!"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on August 10, 2019, 05:44:57 PM
Class.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on August 10, 2019, 05:46:11 PM
From a Spuds forum :

Worrying about John McGinn, I've seen it all now.

Maybe someone could put this up by his peg in the changing room....

I hope that guy feels daft now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2019, 05:52:18 PM
Any debate about John’s level should be done now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 10, 2019, 06:17:44 PM
Shows how important he is to us
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa75 on August 10, 2019, 06:28:46 PM
A legend in the making. My type of player. Love him!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 10, 2019, 06:30:11 PM
The way he waited for the defender to commit himself to the slide, before taking the shot is a mark of an extremely good player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: colin69 on August 10, 2019, 07:36:50 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2019, 07:48:01 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: colin69 on August 10, 2019, 07:53:24 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.

No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.

Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?

Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.

But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Border villan on August 10, 2019, 07:56:31 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.

No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.

Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?

Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.

But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: colin69 on August 10, 2019, 08:00:15 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.

No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.

Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?

Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.

But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.

And so am I my friend.

Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Border villan on August 10, 2019, 08:02:32 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.

No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.

Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?

Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.

But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.

And so am I my friend.

Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
I choose my friends carefully. You are not included.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on August 10, 2019, 08:04:04 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.

No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.

Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?

Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.

But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.

And so am I my friend.

Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.

An honest opinion you've put in the post-match thread, the Grealish thread, and now the John McGinn thread. A disinterated party might think you're just interested in having a pop at Grealish, rather than discussing our first game back in the premier league?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2019, 08:05:45 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.

No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.

Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?

Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.

But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.

You’ve been all over the place telling everyone how shit he was. Where was your wise observations on Jack all summer or more season. All of a sudden on the back of an admittedly poor display by his standards, but ONE game nonetheless,  you are out here telling us he won’t make it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: colin69 on August 10, 2019, 08:19:59 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.

No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.

Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?

Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.

But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.

And so am I my friend.

Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
I choose my friends carefully. You are not included.

Well I won’t lose any sleep over that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 10, 2019, 08:20:44 PM
What an oddball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 10, 2019, 10:06:52 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.

No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.

Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?

Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.

But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.

And so am I my friend.

Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.

An honest opinion you've put in the post-match thread, the Grealish thread, and now the John McGinn thread. A disinterated party might think you're just interested in having a pop at Grealish, rather than discussing our first game back in the premier league?

I often share the observation with my clients, the louder we shout, the less we get heard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villan from luton on August 10, 2019, 10:25:33 PM
Have not read anything before, what I will say is Jack knows he fecked up for their second goal. What I will also say he was tireless today, people think he is a prima donna but get to know he is totally the opposite.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2019, 11:17:38 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

One game. Give him a chance. If McGinn had had a poor game (he has in the past) would that mean he’s hopeless? No clearly. If Jack plays every game this year and struggles like that you might have a point. But he won’t and he’ll learn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 10, 2019, 11:57:43 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.

No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.

Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?

Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.

But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.

And so am I my friend.

Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.

In my opinion, you're chatting shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 11, 2019, 12:23:34 AM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.

Nose alert.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on August 11, 2019, 12:29:18 AM
Grealish played okay but he should be an attacking force for the team for me he is far too casual deep in defence.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on August 11, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
We really needed 2 DMs to deal with the pressure from Spurs with Grealish available as the outlet to retain possession, release the pressure and move into their half. There’s no way a team can sustain that kind of pressure when the ball keeps coming back so quickly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 11, 2019, 04:18:09 AM
Dean needed Marvellous and Doug on the pitch today.  Not sure where the Marvellous one was.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2019, 04:35:18 AM
Dean needed Marvellous and Doug on the pitch today.  Not sure where the Marvellous one was.

He will play a major role this season. As will Doug. Long season mate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 11, 2019, 07:25:54 AM
He's a great player and one we can be proud of. It feels like such a long time since we were able to say that about a few players in the squad doesn't it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2019, 04:02:11 PM


Felt he went a bit AWOL second half along with the rest of the midfield but once again raised his game to yet another level over all.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 12, 2019, 06:13:35 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on August 12, 2019, 06:38:11 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
Not the draw they once were,
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 12, 2019, 08:19:30 AM
Most important player in the squad?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 12, 2019, 08:33:32 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
Not the draw they once were,

Money talks - they're still a big draw, ask Harry Maguire
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2019, 08:59:56 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?

No.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on August 12, 2019, 09:17:19 AM
John McGinn said at the weekend “It has been a long journey for me to get here but I am finally here now and I don’t want to leave. I want to stay here, and I want to stay here with Villa”.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 09:32:15 AM
I don't see this, he's with a group of lads he likes at a club that loves him, playing in one of the best leagues in the world and earning more money that he's ever earned in his life.

Don't think he's gonna have his beautiful little head turned just yet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on August 12, 2019, 09:45:40 AM
Scored a great goal and I'm so pleased for him he loves playing for us a fantastic footballer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on August 12, 2019, 09:57:30 AM
The imminent 50 million pound bid never materialised because it was bollocks printed in (you guessed it) the s*n anyway.

A good game for Longstaff next week and the same papers and twitter glory hunters will be carping on about him instead.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2019, 10:00:14 AM
I don't see this, he's with a group of lads he likes at a club that loves him, playing in one of the best leagues in the world and earning more money that he's ever earned in his life.

Don't think he's gonna have his beautiful little head turned just yet.
Agreed, if we stay up and keep progressing he'll be with us for a least two more seasons.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 12, 2019, 10:00:46 AM
Wolves better players seem to avoid the speculation,  even Nuno as well. They seem to slip under radar?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 12, 2019, 10:06:40 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?

When did Utd fans take over from the Glaziers? 

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 10:09:31 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?

When did Utd fans take over from the Glaziers?

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 12, 2019, 10:52:58 AM
An arse like McGinn's has not been seen and used in the top division since Kenny Dalgleish was in his pomp.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2019, 10:57:53 AM
I'd take £70m for him all day long.  If they want to hugely overpay for players like Maguire, then I'd snatch their hands off.  We got Engels and Mings for about a third of what Maguire cost.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2019, 11:15:12 AM
I think there is a wider consideration. We can not be, or seen to be a club that every time we have an exceptional player we allow arrogant xxxxts like Manure walk up and take them away.
I have a feeling that our Board will not be a soft touch on this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 12, 2019, 11:30:17 AM
I'm walking with McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 11:31:07 AM
I'm walking with McGinn.

No need to get all Christmassy, it's only August!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2019, 11:38:17 AM
I think there is a wider consideration. We can not be, or seen to be a club that every time we have an exceptional player we allow arrogant xxxxts like Manure walk up and take them away.
I have a feeling that our Board will not be a soft touch on this.

I agree, but there's being a soft touch, and then there's robbing a club blind like Leicester did with Maguire.  I wouldn't sell McGinn for something derisory like £25m, but if they want to pay stupid money then you take it off them and use it to improve the squad massively.  I reckon Leicester who appear to be a well run, ambitious club will do well with the money.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2019, 03:08:32 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mrmen/images/7/70/Mr-jelly-5a.png/revision/latest?cb=20180104121201)

It's not an earthquake. It's a leaf falling from a tree. Take a deep breath and count to ten.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on August 12, 2019, 06:14:04 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?

So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).

Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.

A colossal bell end
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 06:16:54 PM
I don’t think McGinn would suit Man U tbh.  Imagine if he went there and started slicking his hair back and poncing around with gold jewellery and diamond earrings.   :-\
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard on August 12, 2019, 06:20:25 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?

So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).

Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.

A colossal bell end

Bellends like most of them ! Theyre the ones I want to beat more than anyone now we're back - even more than Wolves.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2019, 08:46:43 PM
So pleased he’s signed that new deal. He’s fantastic and his profile has shot through the roof.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 12, 2019, 10:27:56 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?

So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).

Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.

A colossal bell end

Just mention the fact their vastly superior bitter rivals are winning trophies galore whilst Yanited scratch around in the Europa League.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 12, 2019, 10:39:44 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?

So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).

Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.

A colossal bell end

Just mention the fact their vastly superior bitter rivals are winning trophies galore whilst Yanited scratch around in the Europa League.

Indeed, both of them are.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on August 12, 2019, 10:43:08 PM
Any Man Yoo fan that talks to me about McGinn will get told my in the know about Klopp seeing him as Milners long term replacement.
  Complete bollocks of course but so are the links to the second biggest team in Manchester.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on August 12, 2019, 10:52:07 PM
I don’t think McGinn would suit Man U tbh.  Imagine if he went there and started slicking his hair back and poncing around with gold jewellery and diamond earrings.   :-\

He is far too good for them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 13, 2019, 10:40:22 AM


Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 13, 2019, 11:02:21 AM


Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
Heard it. He's obviously very happy with us, and gets on very well with Jack. Jim White still looking for us to sell him at the end of the season though: fcuk off Talksport!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 13, 2019, 11:08:42 AM


Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
Heard it. He's obviously very happy with us, and gets on very well with Jack. Jim White still looking for us to sell him at the end of the season though: fcuk off Talksport!

When Jack has a scintillating performance at the weekend they'll switch attention to him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 13, 2019, 01:41:52 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?

So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).

Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.

A colossal bell end

Bellends like most of them ! Theyre the ones I want to beat more than anyone now we're back - even more than Wolves.

I work 3 days a week in Stockport where in the main they are City. The older supporters are great to talk to as they reminisce about being excited when Shaun Goater signed a contract extension and Paul Dickov signed. They remember where they came from and are a decent bunch. The younger lot have only really known their recent history so can be as obnoxious as the typical United fan.

I agree - want to beat United more than a Villa hating XI of Wolves / Blues / Cov / Bitters

I hate the fuck out of them
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2019, 02:59:59 PM
Same here, Hookey. Always had a soft spot for Man City since their FA Cup semi final at Villa Park. Saying that, there was a few of us Villa fans waiting for kick off in a bar here when a group of four lads walked in, wished us good luck and said they were 'City' fans. City? What City? The look on their faces was one of shock. I had to explain to them that I'd hoped they'd, despite all their recent success, avoided the arrogance of their neighbours who refer to themselves as 'United'. Sadly, they didn't get it.

I prefer to refer to City as 'Manchester'; it's guaranteed to piss off the Man Utd, gloryhunting, arrogant twats.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2019, 05:49:21 PM
I don't have a problem with MC fans from Manchester referring to their club as City. Why would they distinguish it from other clubs who share the name City?

It does annoy me when neutrals refer to them as such though, because this simply did not happen before they won the lottery. The informality (?) of it is what gets me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 13, 2019, 06:08:04 PM


Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show

audio at the top of this, has quotes too

https://talksport.com/football/586741/john-mcginn-aston-villa-never-intending-to-leave-summer-manchester-united/
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2019, 06:30:26 PM
Great interview. He's a good lad is SJM  8)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on August 14, 2019, 02:19:30 AM
Good interview. SJM has always stated how much he loves it at Villa so we just have to ignore all the media and pundits trying to sell him off to teams like Man Utd. His new 5 year deal means he’s not going anywhere for a few seasons at least and hopefully he’ll earn legendary status with Villa, but if and when he does then it will be a very big money move.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on August 25, 2019, 12:58:11 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/john-mcginn-dances-pants-steps-19002204
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Diablo on August 25, 2019, 01:16:39 PM
Haha! I think SJM could do with watching that recent Woodstock documentary to get some dancing in pants pointers/moves
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on August 25, 2019, 04:11:56 PM
John McGinn is the sort of person who you'd want your sister to date.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2019, 04:28:12 PM
John McGinn is the sort of person who you'd want to date.

FTFY
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 25, 2019, 04:37:53 PM
John McGinn is the sort of person who you'd want your sister to date.

Love it !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 26, 2019, 03:28:09 PM
I think this was nicked from a Ben Stokes meme.

Same rules apply, I suppose.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Damo70 on September 06, 2019, 10:14:34 PM
Brian Little walked on water.

John McGinn walks on Irn-Bru.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 09, 2019, 08:15:33 PM
I'm glad he's not playing tonight.  No risk of injury and come back ready to take on West Ham next week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on September 09, 2019, 09:36:34 PM
4-0 down and they brought him on with 4 minutes left.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 09, 2019, 09:37:15 PM
4-0 down and they brought him on with 4 minutes left.

And they wonder why they're so shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 10, 2019, 03:21:15 PM
4-0 down and they brought him on with 4 minutes left.

I know. How odd .  Shame Tshbola isnt scottish , Clark would have him first on the team sheet.

And they wonder why they're so shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TaxDodger on September 10, 2019, 05:01:49 PM
John McGinn doesn't make the Scotland team? Seriously?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chipsticks on September 11, 2019, 12:20:44 PM
From SSN - the Premier League Power XI so far.

" As we enter the first international break this season, it's time to take a look at which players have excelled during the early weeks to book their place in the Power Rankings' Premier League XI...

Aston Villa workhorse John McGinn edges countless superstars for the final spot, scoring and assisting once, in addition to recording chart-topping stats across a raft of defensive metrics. "

(https://i.redd.it/yfxeml0pvvl31.jpg)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 11, 2019, 12:27:31 PM
John McGinn doesn't make the Scotland team? Seriously?

It's obviously because they're so good, and have a raft of brilliant midfield options.

What's that, they're 48th in the world? Oh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 11, 2019, 04:20:47 PM
Was amazed that both McGinn and Fraser were dropped for the Belgium game. That McTominay has been rubbish so far for Scotland, might be worth trying him at CB.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 11, 2019, 05:07:20 PM
This is quite funny.
https://youtu.be/ditRx_WQC2I
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CJ on September 11, 2019, 06:54:45 PM
This is quite funny.
https://youtu.be/ditRx_WQC2I


Excellent! 'Meatball McGinn' has a certain ring to it
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Scratchins on September 12, 2019, 08:15:53 AM
This is quite funny.
https://youtu.be/ditRx_WQC2I

I think that this is the best interview that I have ever seen!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mike on September 12, 2019, 07:52:34 PM
My lad had his name put on his shirt after the Bournemouth game. His heart was in his boots until John signed the cast on his arm and spent a few moments chatting to him. He was an absolute top bloke, much as you see in this video. Wesley and Luiz were also spot on. Jack was a miserable git (again), but to be fair he was probably massively pissed off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Kimaster1976 on September 19, 2019, 08:32:01 PM
Watching the Wolves match and im hearing that they have stolen the John McGinn song and using it for Ruben Neves i think it was, it was sort of half hearted singing so couldn't quite hear but think it was Neves lol
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villabear on September 22, 2019, 08:02:08 AM
Interview from today’s Times. He comes over really well. I didn’t think I could like him any more.

John McGinn: ‘I feel I offer something different to other players’

Hard-working midfielder had to wait for a shot at the big time but will fancy his chances of hustling Arsenal today

The thing about Clydebank, says John McGinn, is it sits between Loch Lomond and Glasgow, and that means you can go one of two ways.

You go “posh,” he grins, if you travel west to the loch and the mountains and pretty villages there. Or you go real if you head east into Glasgow. In life, McGinn always goes real. No Louis Vuitton wash bag for him, but one he picked up in a Glasgow store. And his car? He used a Football League scheme for players to purchase his, a Mercedes 4x4 with a towbar. Aston Villa’s squad thinks it is hilarious. They call him Eddie Stobart but, McGinn shrugs, “I’d never drive anything my mum wouldn’t get in to.”

Mum Mary and Stephen, his dad, are teachers and the biggest influences upon a 24-year-old who reeks of hard work and humble values, but the rest of the McGinn clan have shaped him too. It’s a big one. He has “50 or 60 cousins”, all of whom would knock him back down to earth were he ever to say or do anything flash.

His grandad, Jack, was chairman of Celtic and president of the Scottish Football Association and is a patriarch from whom he gets solid guidance. Then there are Stephen and Paul, his professional footballer brothers, and twin sister Katie who “would slap me silly if I ever got carried away,” says a midfielder who interested Manchester United in the summer and is deemed “super” by Jurgen Klopp.

After an article where he was rated at £50m, he was asked how much he would pay for himself and “£5” was his reply. He has not forgotten the periods in his life where being here — a flourishing Premier League newcomer and Villa fans’ and players’ player of the year — was very far away. An early hurdle arose when his school, St Peter the Apostle High, had no teacher to take the football team. Mary, who taught there and coached ladies’ netball, stepped in: “It was murder!”

When an SFA rule forbade youngsters playing schools football and for a professional club youth team, and John was at St Mirren’s academy, Mary intervened again. “She gave St Mirren an ultimatum — he either plays for his school and nobody or his school and you. We won the Scottish Schools Cup that year.”

Clydebank itself “presents its own challenges,” he reflects. “There was loads of football played. It’s all you really know from there. It was a brilliant place but the temptations of drink are common.

At 15, 16, I’d be street-walking with pals. We’d go up the hill and I’d have my Capri Sun — they’d have Mad Dog [nickname for a fortified wine popular in the west of Scotland]. I was always driven to be a player and had training three or four nights a week, nothing was going to stop me. I had good people round me — even if they were on the Mad Dog,” he laughs.

He has a social conscience and still supports initiatives in Edinburgh, where he played for Hibs, while being an enthusiastic participant in Villa’s community work, and Scotland’s problematic relationship with alcohol troubles him. “Don’t get me wrong, I like a beer from time to time,” he says, “but [at 15] that was a point where it’s easy to get sucked in. Everyone says, ‘Oh, if I hadnae turned to drink...’ It’s so easy in places like Clydebank. And there are a lot worse places in the Glasgow area where it’s even easier to get dragged in.” He hopes Scottish initiatives to tackle the problem work.

St Mirren was a testing but valuable breeding ground. McGinn captained the Under-19s and was charged by fellow players with asking youth head David Longwell to relent. “Everything was old school. We picked litter and cleaned the changing room,” McGinn recalls. “Two or three gym sessions a day. I’d have to ask [Longwell] can the boys go home and he’d say ‘go and do another session’.

“Looking back he was doing it for our benefit, making stuff up to keep us there after 5pm, and keep us out of trouble.” His progress took off when a coach, Tommy Craig, converted him to a midfielder. He helped St Mirren win the League Cup and was player of the year. The next campaign (2014-15) is the one he always reaches back to for perspective.

St Mirren changed managers, overhauled their squad, and he decided against extending his contract. He felt the pressure of being the young talisman, and the team struggled — ultimately going down. His future was uncertain, no top-flight Scottish club willing to pay the £250,000 compensation required.

Then, weeks before becoming a free agent, McGinn suffered serious injury in a training prank — St Mirren captain Steven Thompson speared him with a sharpened pole. It plunged into McGinn’s thigh. “It was a millimetre from the femoral artery. Mentally I struggled. It was a complete accident and there were no hard feelings but the fact I was so close to dying... the surgeon showed me the path of [the pole] and it was 7.7cm deep, somehow avoiding the artery. [Had it not] I’d have bled out in minutes, he said.”

That incident felt “like the icing on the cake. Getting relegated was hard early in my career and I thought the world was against me. Nobody — I mean nobody — would pay the compensation fee for me. And it got to the stage, even St Mirren supporters would agree, I was rubbish.”

He felt even sorrier for himself when red tape thwarted a move to Houston Dynamo in the MLS, then a transfer to Dundee United collapsed — United preferring to sign a Dutch nonentity, Rodney Sneijder, instead. His last option was Hibs, in the Scottish Championship, but moving there proved transformative — and look at him now, Villa’s best player this season, scorer of last year’s Championship Goal of the Season and the “£170m goal” that earned Villa promotion via the playoff final at Wembley.

Dean Smith, Villa’s manager, has unlocked creative and penetrative aspects of his game — moving him upfield to play as an attacking No 8 alongside Jack Grealish. “I feel I offer something different to other players,” he says. “I can hustle and bustle. [In Scotland] what frustrated me, and my dad and grandad, was the impression I was just a rat, a runner. Coming here I’ve proved I can play.”

Villa have big ambitions (“everywhere you look there’s building work”) but know their priority — survival. At games are a regular stream of McGinn guests — his parents, his pals and Mikey, a young leukaemia sufferer he befriended visiting Edinburgh Sick Children’s Hospital and who FaceTimes him daily.

Grealish is a close buddy. “We’re similar age and like similar things,” McGinn says. He considers Grealish’s pin-up boy status and is modest to the last. “We’re different looks-wise but I suppose we’re probably a 12 out of 20 together…”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 22, 2019, 08:51:16 AM
Top man
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on September 22, 2019, 08:51:49 AM
I love the wee man.  And we should sign his twin sister!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2019, 08:59:23 AM
What a top, top bloke.  I was at a kids' birthday party yesterday, and was having a coffee with a mate who used to play for Hearts (as well as the mighty Livingston and Cowdenbeath).  He's meeting a load of mates in London today to watch the Hibs/Hearts derby, and he says that he and all of his mates are now secondary Villa fans, because of SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on September 22, 2019, 09:26:43 AM
12 out of 20 together is proper funny
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2019, 11:07:50 AM
Watching the Wolves match and im hearing that they have stolen the John McGinn song and using it for Ruben Neves i think it was, it was sort of half hearted singing so couldn't quite hear but think it was Neves lol

They were chanting that before we even signed SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: supertom on September 22, 2019, 11:34:17 AM
Class act. We had quite an unlikeable bunch here for so many years, so it's great having players like SJM and Mings. Generally its a decent bunch now.
This lad will go a long way. I really hope we've got a few more years to come with McGinn running our midfield. If I look at things right now though, I worry about him getting poached way more than anyone else in the side.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on September 23, 2019, 08:53:54 AM
Loved the look on his face yesterday when he was defending just outside our box and some Arsenal git had the ball.  Reminded me of one of my old dogs when you had a tennis ball, in the best possible way.

Love him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 23, 2019, 08:55:06 AM
He was fucking great again, yesterday. Very unlucky to be on the losing side.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mr underhill on September 23, 2019, 09:06:08 AM
massive bids incoming in January?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 23, 2019, 09:09:59 AM
He was fucking great again, yesterday. Very unlucky to be on the losing side.

Not managing his stamina though and it's a problem. Wish the likes of AEG or Wesley could watch and learn how to press an opponent like McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Luke8 on September 23, 2019, 09:25:26 AM
massive bids incoming in January?

No chance in January, I would reckon. Guaranteed to start every week with us and just signed a brand new contract.

End of the season might be a different matter depending on how we do though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2019, 11:23:28 AM
massive bids incoming in January?

The pink elephant smiles in the moonlight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2019, 01:04:43 PM
massive bids incoming in January?

I doubt it.  You have to laugh sometimes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 23, 2019, 01:46:06 PM
I'd be surprised if clubs further up the current food chain weren't keeping an eye on him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Luke8 on September 23, 2019, 01:50:00 PM
They absolutely will be - he is excellent. Same would go for at least a couple of our other players as well I would imagine.

None of them will be going anywhere in January though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 23, 2019, 03:02:18 PM


He's took to the PL like the proverbial duck to water. Doesn't look fazed by it at all.

It's absolutely certain bigger clubs will already be watching him. Klopp commented on how good a player he was just last week.

It's up to us to be a better team to keep him happy where he is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 25, 2019, 03:28:39 PM
so that c##t  Noel Whelan is telling the media Manure are looking at buying SJM in January .

fuck off u c'##t   .  why the fuck are you such an expert who gives a shit what you say.

£75 million and throw Greenwood in and will do it
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 25, 2019, 03:49:24 PM
I'd be surprised if clubs further up the current food chain weren't keeping an eye on him.

True which is why it's nonsense that McGinn would consider an half arsed club like Man Utd.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 25, 2019, 06:55:45 PM
If we are languishing down the league, it has to be a possibility.
He is hot property.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 25, 2019, 11:47:29 PM
so that c##t  Noel Whelan is telling the media Manure are looking at buying SJM in January .

fuck off u c'##t   .  why the fuck are you such an expert who gives a shit what you say.

£75 million and throw Greenwood in and will do it

Yes, I'm pretty sure Man United run most of their potential transfer business by forgotten former journeymen strikers who now work for Radio Leeds.

If Noel "not as good as Glen" Whelan says it's true, it's likely true. Just need Darren Gough to 100% confirm it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 29, 2019, 11:31:23 AM
SJM was sensational again yesterday. His energy, determination and incisiveness in possession are just a joy to behold. He is playing at top 4 level right now.

I can't think of a Villa player I've enjoyed watching so much in 20 or 30 years or so. He's exactly what you'd hope a Villa player could be.

Just got to ward off the vultures who will certainly be circling.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 29, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
He’s like a better James Milner.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on September 29, 2019, 11:51:55 AM
He had a great first half but didn't do much 2nd apart from scoring. 

Fading in the 2nd half has been a bit of theme with him - maybe he goes to hard and doesn't pace himself?

Currently not as good as Milner at his peak for me, but if he carries on improving he'll get there
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on September 29, 2019, 12:00:16 PM
Everyone has there price it’s the nature of the sale that we need to get right. He has recently signed a new deal (was it 5 years?). Sell him at 26, to a club abroad and for big money. That’s if he wants out because you just never know.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on September 29, 2019, 12:20:16 PM
He’s no technical Gordon Cowans or as fast as Tony Daley / Tony Morley , but as commitment, warrior, always positive driving forward, scoring goals , tracking back, I’ve never seen anyone better since going to VP from early 70’s.

All players have a shelf life, but I just can’t get my head around him ever playing for anyone else !!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on September 29, 2019, 12:32:54 PM
He’s like a better James Milner.

Yes, or a harder-working Delph. His close control getting out of tight spots is unbelievable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 29, 2019, 07:52:15 PM


Got to be worth 75m already going on his performances so far this season. Our most valuable and important player for god knows how long.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 29, 2019, 08:23:05 PM
He’s top class. An absolute steal from Hibs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on September 29, 2019, 08:26:35 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable.  He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player.  He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot.  If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Billy Walker on September 29, 2019, 08:58:21 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable.  He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player.  He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot.  If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.

Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him?  We're not run by Doug or Randy any more. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frank black on September 29, 2019, 09:10:27 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable.  He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player.  He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot.  If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.

Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him?  We're not run by Doug or Randy any more. 

Depends on who’s interested I guess.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 29, 2019, 09:16:17 PM
And whether we stay up and start investing again next summer. I think we will, if we do, and so McGinn will stay put for a while at least.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on September 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
He's not going anywhere. He loves it here, we love him and even if it is a struggle this season, we have owners who will make sure we're staying where we belong. Mings, Engels, Grealish all superb but John McGinn is our heartbeat. Incidentally, Leicester fans owe Celtic a debt of gratitude...Rogers walked because he couldn't get him. He knew.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on September 30, 2019, 12:47:57 AM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable.  He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player.  He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot.  If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.

Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him?  We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.

It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.

And you're being very unfair on Doug & possibly Randy.  I don't think either wanted to sell our best players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on September 30, 2019, 12:58:52 AM
Is this what it's going to be like every time he scores a goal? Oh no Liverpool might buy him...  ::) Wasn't it Mings to Man City last week?

He's here, he's awesome, any bid in January would have to be ridiculous considering staying in prem for one season is worth £100 million.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 30, 2019, 07:59:16 AM
What a player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 30, 2019, 08:03:16 AM
Is this what it's going to be like every time he scores a goal? Oh no Liverpool might buy him...  ::) Wasn't it Mings to Man City last week?

He's here, he's awesome, any bid in January would have to be ridiculous considering staying in prem for one season is worth £100 million.

Well said.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: walsall villain on September 30, 2019, 08:45:24 AM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable.  He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player.  He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot.  If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Can’t recall many clubs letting their key players go in January. Not a chance of mcginn going then
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 30, 2019, 09:04:38 AM
He's just signed a new long term deal. He'll be staying, we don't need the money. The only way he might leave is if we get relegated.

We're trying to build something here, not dismantle it. Look at what our owners did with Grealish when Spurs were almost there for proof of what they'll do.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 30, 2019, 09:28:27 AM
He just get's better and better every game he plays.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 30, 2019, 09:32:34 AM
We can't help ourselves can we?  As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.

We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 30, 2019, 10:49:05 AM
The panicking over our players doing well and being taken by the top 4/6 is why I find the accusations of 'small time' that come out so often so frustrating, in my opinion the most small time thing about the club right now is that we, as fans, seem to be scared to consider ourselves a big club just in case something goes wrong.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on September 30, 2019, 10:49:55 AM
We can't help ourselves can we?  As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.

We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.

And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?

Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.

It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc).  The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve.  We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 30, 2019, 11:03:22 AM
We can't help ourselves can we?  As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.

We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.

And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?

Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.

It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc).  The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve.  We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.

Every player has a price.  Jack's was £35 Million.  We didn't get it so we didn't sell.  Now we're in a totally different position but it will still be difficult to keep the likes of McGinn  just because he plays great in every game? That doesn't make any sense at all.

And how come this only applies to us and not every club below Man City and Liverpool? 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2019, 11:14:11 AM
I've no worries about McGinn leaving.  I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders.  Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother.  We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front.  McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 30, 2019, 11:22:26 AM
I've no worries about McGinn leaving.  I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders.  Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother.  We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front.  McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.

I can't see him leaving either, but I'd contend that he would be brilliant in that Liverpool team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on September 30, 2019, 12:08:06 PM
We can't help ourselves can we?  As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.

We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.

And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?

Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.

It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc).  The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve.  We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.

Every player has a price.  Jack's was £35 Million.  We didn't get it so we didn't sell.  Now we're in a totally different position but it will still be difficult to keep the likes of McGinn  just because he plays great in every game? That doesn't make any sense at all.

And how come this only applies to us and not every club below Man City and Liverpool?

There you are being a drama queen again to add value to your argument.  I didn't say just because he plays well, it will be difficult to keep him.  I said if he carries on as he has in the past 7 games which is a damn sight better than just playing well.  With the same goals to game ratio, he'll finish with around 17 goals.  It makes perfect sense to me that better teams will be looking.

I didn't say it only applies to us either - That is just something else you added for value.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on September 30, 2019, 12:31:30 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable.  He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player.  He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot.  If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.

Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him?  We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.

It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.

Not under these owners, we turned down a 'top 4 club' when they came in for Grealish when we were a Championship team.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2019, 12:40:09 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable.  He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player.  He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot.  If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.

Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him?  We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.

It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.

Not under these owners, we turned down a 'top 4 club' when they came in for Grealish when we were a Championship team.



I think that was when they offered £3.50, some old Green Shield stamps and Onomah though.  When they realised how rich our new guys were they realised they couldn't afford him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 30, 2019, 01:36:30 PM
We can't help ourselves can we?  As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.

We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.

And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?

Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.

It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc).  The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve.  We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.

Every player has a price.  Jack's was £35 Million.  We didn't get it so we didn't sell.  Now we're in a totally different position but it will still be difficult to keep the likes of McGinn  just because he plays great in every game? That doesn't make any sense at all.

And how come this only applies to us and not every club below Man City and Liverpool?

There you are being a drama queen again to add value to your argument.  I didn't say just because he plays well, it will be difficult to keep him.  I said if he carries on as he has in the past 7 games which is a damn sight better than just playing well.  With the same goals to game ratio, he'll finish with around 17 goals.  It makes perfect sense to me that better teams will be looking.

I didn't say it only applies to us either - That is just something else you added for value.

I'm the one saying he isn't going anywhere and your the one worrying about a possible hypothetical situation concerning one of our players and I'm the drama queen?  I'd leave it there if I were you.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on September 30, 2019, 01:42:34 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable.  He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player.  He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot.  If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.

Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him?  We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.

It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.

Not under these owners, we turned down a 'top 4 club' when they came in for Grealish when we were a Championship team.



Our owners don't need their money. Far richer than most of the Premier League owners! Interesting to see Fosun losing £1 billion through the collapse of Thomas Cook. Wolves might see a tightening of their spending power.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa75 on September 30, 2019, 01:48:24 PM
My current favourite Villa player. The one player who has seamlessly fitted into the PL, having never played there before.

The only way he'd leave, any time soon, is if we got relegated.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on September 30, 2019, 03:56:33 PM
What if someone rocked up with a pallet of full-sugar Irn Bru?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 30, 2019, 05:53:02 PM
His form isn't going unnoticed.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/sep/30/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-weekend-action

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 30, 2019, 06:13:02 PM
I don’t seem to remember the media linking any of Wolves best players last season with a potential move to a top 6 club, as the Guardian have done there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JJ-AV on September 30, 2019, 06:59:52 PM
Tbf they were with Moutinho and Neves.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on October 01, 2019, 05:57:51 PM
Our Franksy's stirring it on the radio at the moment about selling him.

Fcuk off!!

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villan For Life on October 01, 2019, 06:01:23 PM
Our Franksy's stirring it on the radio at the moment about selling him.

Fcuk off!!



Don’t worry only Dingles, Noses and Olbiyun fans listen. If they clubbed together they still couldn’t afford him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on October 01, 2019, 06:08:42 PM
Our Franksy's stirring it on the radio at the moment about selling him.

Fcuk off!!



Don’t worry only Dingles, Noses and Olbiyun fans listen. If they clubbed together they still couldn’t afford him.

They couldn't even afford his big toe!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villabear on October 02, 2019, 04:03:35 PM
From the Guardian. Another piece on our favourite midfielder.

John McGinn is everything Aston Villa fans could want from a midfielder

Scotland international scored the goal that took Villa to the Premier League. His performances could keep them there
By Martin Laurence


The promoted clubs find themselves in the bottom half of the Premier League after seven matches, but all three have shown that they will be competitive in the top flight. Sheffield United have made the brightest start – they are up in 12th place, just a point below Manchester United – while Norwich City and Aston Villa are sitting in 17th and 18th, either side of the relegation line, as they prepare to meet at Carrow Road on Saturday.

A number of players have impressed for the Blades and Canaries, but Villa have been much more reliant on the performances of a single player. Before the season began, most football fans would have expected that player to be Jack Grealish, whose return from injury last season inspired Villa to a historic 10-match winning streak. The academy graduate was the heartbeat of the side’s sprint to promotion, but the team’s other midfielder, John McGinn, was the star in the play-off final against Derby, scoring the winning goal and picking up the man of the match award at Wembley.

“Super” John joined “Super” Jack at Villa in the summer of 2018 and fans quickly fell head over heels. The former Hibs man is the sort of player who is impossible not to love and the perfect embodiment of what people mean when they speak about a player being a “dream” for a manager. He almost literally runs himself into the ground; his unnatural running style is instantly recognisable, with the 24-year old seemingly getting closer and closer to the turf with every endless yard he travels. Yet he somehow stays on his feet, even when under pressure, and almost always alleviates any pressure his side are facing.

McGinn doesn’t look like a modern footballer, nor does he care. The Scotland international is more than happy to poke fun at his teammates and himself. He has won over the Villa fanbase and the dressing room as a result, building a close friendship with the Grealish, who certainly fits the mould of the image-conscious Premier League player.

McGinn, in contrast to his elegant midfield partner, is a hunched ball of energy whose sheer determination on the pitch has earned him a place among the elite. He has stepped up to the Premier League comfortably. McGinn scored his third goal of the season in Villa’s 2-2 draw against Burnley last Saturday, making him the club’s top joint scorer in the league so far.

It was the third time this season that Villa have dropped points from a winning position and McGinn has scored in all three of those games. He will be delighted with his own start to the campaign, even if his performances have not yet been rewarded by results. He was Villa’s standout players against Burnley, picking up his fourth man of the match award in the club’s seven league games so far this season. For context, no other player in the league has won more than two man of the match awards.

When Villa are lacking ideas – which has happened more often than Dean Smith would have liked this season – McGinn will fire off a shot from distance or embark on a burrowing run that gets the fans off their feet and behind the team. He is a unifying figure who brings the players and supporters together at Villa Park.

At a time when specialist roles have become prominent in midfield, McGinn is a welcome throwback. He does everything and, even if he does not look the most cultured, his effectiveness cannot be questioned. He has taken more shots (21), made more tackles (23) and completed more dribbles (16) than any of his teammates. Those statistics stand up across the league; he ranks sixth for shots, 10th for tackles and 11th for dribbles in the entire division. On top of that, only Grealish (28) and Wilfried Zaha (24) have been fouled more times than McGinn (23).

Such busy, complete performances will not go unnoticed. There were tentative links with Manchester United over the summer, which were laughed off by some at the time but look increasingly logical now. Brendan Rodgers is also a big fan, having been desperate to sign the midfielder when he was Celtic manager. It was reported at the time that Celtic would not stump up an asking price in the region of £2m. Their loss was Villa’s gain. As far as Villa are concerned, McGinn is the signing of the century so far. He scored the goal that took the club back to the Premier League and his ability to impact games will be crucial if they are to stay there.




Can they not print such lies. He's rubbish and no one should buy him.
Title: John McGinn - Vote for Player of the Month
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 04, 2019, 03:54:18 PM
John McGinn has been nominated for the Premier League Player of the Month award.
Voting on the September prize, sponsored by EA SPORTS, is now open.
McGinn has been sensational this month, continuing his brilliant form with goals against Burnley and Arsenal.
He is one of eight top-flight players up for the gong.
His competition includes:
- Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool)
- Pierre Emerick-Aubameyang (Arsenal)
- Kevin De Bruyne (Man City)
- Riyad Mahrez (Man City)
- Son Heung-min (Tottenham)
- Ricardo Pereira (Leicester City)
- Callum Wilson (Bournemouth)
You can VOTE NOW.
It closes at 6pm on Monday.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/10/04/john-mcginn-up-for-september-award
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on October 04, 2019, 05:57:22 PM
Voted.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on October 05, 2019, 05:14:27 PM
First booking of the season for SJM, as well as fast becoming one of the best players in the Premier league, his disciplinary record is also improving.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on October 06, 2019, 10:22:22 AM
His turn to skin leitner in the first half was absolutely filthy, scholes-esque. Wish I could find a better clip of it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 06, 2019, 11:06:47 AM
His turn to skin leitner in the first half was absolutely filthy, scholes-esque. Wish I could find a better clip of it.
Indeed it was. I thought he had a quiet game ... but pretty much everything he did was done well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on October 06, 2019, 11:08:22 AM
He went quiet second half, but first half he ran the show.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2019, 12:17:28 PM
That little step over bit of skill he did in the second half to get past a Norwich player was sensational.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on October 06, 2019, 12:22:51 PM
That little step over bit of skill he did in the second half to get past a Norwich player was sensational.

That had me drooling, sublime skill.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 06, 2019, 02:17:17 PM
This bit of skill that was part of the move for our penalty is absolutely filthy

https://twitter.com/andyvillain1212/status/1180602703099023372?s=12
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on October 06, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
With his weak foot aswell, if I tried that with my left foot I'd end up fouling myself.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 06, 2019, 02:26:19 PM
He went quiet second half, but first half he ran the show.

Similar story over the last few games. Can't think why other than instructions from Dean Smith. Jack normally comes to life second half but yesterday he was a 90 minuter.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on October 07, 2019, 12:11:34 PM
...if I tried that with my left foot I'd end up fouling myself.

Dirrty boy
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 07, 2019, 01:36:22 PM
With his weak foot aswell, if I tried that with my left foot I'd end up fouling myself.

And me - but not in a football sense :(
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 07, 2019, 04:04:03 PM


The absolute king.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kieron on October 13, 2019, 06:53:38 PM
A Scotland hat trick for Mr McGinn this evening.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on October 13, 2019, 06:58:54 PM
Sports personality of the year for his happy little grin alone.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on October 13, 2019, 07:09:38 PM
A Scotland hat trick for Mr McGinn this evening.
Yes, but can he do it in Andorra-la-Vella on a cold winter night?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on October 13, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
Brilliant John McGinn!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on October 13, 2019, 07:27:27 PM
I could score a hat-trick against San Marino, but tbf Scotland and San Marino are on an equal leval. How we got this guy for £3m is beyond me, absolute next level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Damo70 on October 13, 2019, 07:54:02 PM
A Scotland hat trick for Mr McGinn this evening.
Yes, but can he do it in Andorra-la-Vella on a cold winter night?


He did it today on a pitch that looked like the set of Singin' In The Rain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on October 13, 2019, 08:21:45 PM
Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mellin on October 13, 2019, 08:25:26 PM
I'm really, really going to miss him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 13, 2019, 08:44:29 PM
I'm really, really going to miss him.

It's ok, he'll be back by Tuesday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 13, 2019, 08:50:18 PM
Great news is that he will have a proper break at the end of the season. It's a win win.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on October 13, 2019, 09:37:37 PM
I see Man Utd fans clamouring for SJM's signature according to the B'ham Mail. Will we be able to fend them off??
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on October 13, 2019, 09:45:59 PM
I see Man Utd fans clamouring for SJM's signature according to the B'ham Mail. Will we be able to fend them off??

I’m not sure McGinn’s head is easily turned to be honest.  Not because I am biased about Villa, but because of everything we see and hear about the man.  He does appear to be very grounded, to the point the other players take the piss out of his boring normal car, so I can’t see him rushing out the door for a few extra million a year somewhere else.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure if he felt he had to move to continue to progress and a club that could offer him a bigger challenge came in then he would be sensible and go. But I don’t see that being Man United in the next twelve months.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 13, 2019, 09:47:08 PM
YES. I don't think they will pay the £100M  fee. I was away on a trip with a couple of manure fans last week. Both from the greater Manchester area and they couldn't stop talking about John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KevinGage on October 13, 2019, 09:54:57 PM
I see Man Utd fans clamouring for SJM's signature according to the B'ham Mail. Will we be able to fend them off??

With a spade and Molotov cocktails would be my preferred method.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: thick_mike on October 13, 2019, 09:57:17 PM
He’s just lovely ❤️
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 13, 2019, 10:07:35 PM
Manchester United are not the draw they once were, doubt he would consider them if we can continue to give him PL football (big if). Would be highly surprised if they were the only interested parties though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 13, 2019, 10:08:28 PM
Wait until yer average Man U fan sees Mings playing for England tomorrow. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 13, 2019, 10:33:00 PM
Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.

Have we ever had a player who scored an international hat-trick before?  Struggling to think of one.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 13, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on October 13, 2019, 10:46:11 PM
Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.

Have we ever had a player who scored an international hat-trick before?  Struggling to think of one.
Wikipedia: The first players to score a hat-trick for England were Howard Vaughton and Arthur Alfred Brown, both Aston Villa players; in a friendly match against Ireland in 1882, they scored nine goals between them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Billy Walker on October 13, 2019, 11:28:53 PM
I see Man Utd fans clamouring for SJM's signature according to the B'ham Mail. Will we be able to fend them off??

Yep, no problem.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 13, 2019, 11:55:07 PM
Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.

Have we ever had a player who scored an international hat-trick before?  Struggling to think of one.
Wikipedia: The first players to score a hat-trick for England were Howard Vaughton and Arthur Alfred Brown, both Aston Villa players; in a friendly match against Ireland in 1882, they scored nine goals between them.

Fred Wheldon and Albert Allen also scored hat-tricks for England, all four were against pre-partition Ireland. Unless I've missed one, we don't seem to have had an international hat-trick scorer since Queen Victoria died. Until today, obviously.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 14, 2019, 12:11:57 AM
8-1 Faroe Islands, 6/10/96. Savo scored a hat-trick.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 14, 2019, 12:20:08 AM
Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.

Have we ever had a player who scored an international hat-trick before?  Struggling to think of one.
Wikipedia: The first players to score a hat-trick for England were Howard Vaughton and Arthur Alfred Brown, both Aston Villa players; in a friendly match against Ireland in 1882, they scored nine goals between them.

Fred Wheldon and Albert Allen also scored hat-tricks for England, all four were against pre-partition Ireland. Unless I've missed one, we don't seem to have had an international hat-trick scorer since Queen Victoria died. Until today, obviously.

Historians F.C.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 14, 2019, 12:24:24 AM
8-1 Faroe Islands, 6/10/96. Savo scored a hat-trick.

I thought earlier I'll check if Savo got one, then forgot about him. D'oh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2019, 08:02:28 AM
Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.
Well said on both counts. BM is supposed to be a local paper supporting local clubs so why are they instigating this story? Probably got MU supporting journos in their ranks. Fuck the BM and fuck MU.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 14, 2019, 08:28:08 AM
The BM stopped being a local paper years ago when it was taken over by the mirror group, hence its love of all things manchester.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2019, 08:46:52 AM
The BM stopped being a local paper years ago when it was taken over by the mirror group, hence its love of all things manchester.
I did not know that but now i do it makes perfect sense. But they should stop using the name Birmingham in it's title when it's clear they do not have this city's best interests at heart.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on October 14, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.
Well said on both counts. BM is supposed to be a local paper supporting local clubs so why are they instigating this story? Probably got MU supporting journos in their ranks. Fuck the BM and fuck MU.

Surely newspapers should be reporting rather than supporting, unless it's a paid-for advertising feature
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on October 14, 2019, 09:41:26 AM
I'm so delighted for John scoring a hat-rick.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 14, 2019, 10:07:14 AM
Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.
Well said on both counts. BM is supposed to be a local paper supporting local clubs so why are they instigating this story? Probably got MU supporting journos in their ranks. Fuck the BM and fuck MU.

Surely newspapers should be reporting rather than supporting, unless it's a paid-for advertising feature

It's not the lack of support I object to, it's more the general going out of their way to annoy Villa fans with non-stories and blatant trolling. Example would be when they interviewed an ex-Liverpool player who had never played for any of our local clubs. It may have been Whelan, I forget. The gist of the article was: why Villa should sell their best player to Liverpool.

Can you imagine the Liverpool Echo running an interview with Dennis Wise trying to undermine Liverpool and saying that Gerrard should sign for Chelsea?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2019, 10:17:37 AM
Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.
Well said on both counts. BM is supposed to be a local paper supporting local clubs so why are they instigating this story? Probably got MU supporting journos in their ranks. Fuck the BM and fuck MU.

Surely newspapers should be reporting rather than supporting, unless it's a paid-for advertising feature
But they are not supporting or reporting. They are actively creating a story from nothing which could easily upset McGinns form and that of the team. The local team. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on October 14, 2019, 10:40:02 AM
It’s just blatant click-bait and they re-use the stories across their multiple newspaper sites, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol, etc.

Their webpages too are the biggest pile of badly designed crap too, they remind of the mid-90s internet where everything took an age to load and then froze up.

Videos playing everywhere, adverts and more clickbait interspersed with the actual ‘article’, it’s pathetic tbh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on October 14, 2019, 11:02:38 AM
It’s just blatant click-bait and they re-use the stories across their multiple newspaper sites, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol, etc.

Their webpages too are the biggest pile of badly designed crap too, they remind of the mid-90s internet where everything took an age to load and then froze up.

Videos playing everywhere, adverts and more clickbait interspersed with the actual ‘article’, it’s pathetic tbh.

I think that they're part of the same group (Reach) as the former Gloucester Citizen / Cheltenham Echo sites, now rebranded as 'Gloucestershire Live'

The site is pretty pathetic, especially their OTT panic weather reporting. I'm continually taking the piss on their Facebook page, which has somehow earned me Top Fan status :)

Dave Gorman did an interesting feature on such apparently local but not actually local news sites on 'Modern Life is Goodish'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2019, 11:45:38 AM
It’s just blatant click-bait and they re-use the stories across their multiple newspaper sites, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol, etc.

Their webpages too are the biggest pile of badly designed crap too, they remind of the mid-90s internet where everything took an age to load and then froze up.

Videos playing everywhere, adverts and more clickbait interspersed with the actual ‘article’, it’s pathetic tbh.

I think that they're part of the same group (Reach) as the former Gloucester Citizen / Cheltenham Echo sites, now rebranded as 'Gloucestershire Live'

The site is pretty pathetic, especially their OTT panic weather reporting. I'm continually taking the piss on their Facebook page, which has somehow earned me Top Fan status :)

Dave Gorman did an interesting feature on such apparently local but not actually local news sites on 'Modern Life is Goodish'.
Ah yes. One of my favourite tv shows. You can only get it on Dave nowadays.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 14, 2019, 02:51:18 PM
I don't care who the opposition are, a hat-trick is a hat-trick and difficult to achieve. Especially for a midfielder.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on October 14, 2019, 05:39:20 PM
Agree 100% Drum.  Especially a defensive midfielder playing fox in the box.  I thought he was brilliant.  Very Greavesesque.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 14, 2019, 06:20:13 PM
He wore the 8 shirt, didn't he? I was a little disappointed he didn't get that with us this season, much more befitting than the 7.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on October 15, 2019, 09:58:05 AM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2019, 10:52:38 AM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.

I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.

Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.

The great thing is, we don't need to sell.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 15, 2019, 11:05:09 AM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.
Alan dough boy Brazil in negative comment about Villa shock.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 15, 2019, 11:14:32 AM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.
Alan dough boy Brazil in negative comment about Villa shock.


Alan Brazil can suck my hairy sack, and if I dipped it it champagne he probably would, the fat jakey prick.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on October 15, 2019, 11:19:33 AM
There are a lot of players that would improve Man Utd’s midfield at the moment. It was actually quite funny watching SSN select the best XI from the Man Utd and Liverpool squads yesterday with not a single Man Utd player being picked.

Oh yeah...and Alan Brazil can fuck right off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2019, 11:45:26 AM
There are a lot of players that would improve Man Utd’s midfield at the moment. It was actually quite funny watching SSN select the best XI from the Man Utd and Liverpool squads yesterday with not a single Man Utd player being picked.

Oh yeah...and Alan Brazil can fuck right off.

You mean that ex-Leeds and ex-Man City player and all round cock Danny Mills picked?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on October 15, 2019, 12:13:39 PM
Yep that all round cock. Surely a guest SSN pundit wouldn’t allow past allegiances to influence or bias his opinions and team selections? Still funny though!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2019, 01:06:57 PM
In fairness to Mills, who is a knob, I doubt many of us would have many, and quite possibly it would also be zero. The only good thing about Liverpool being so good is how shite it must be for manure fans. They've spent a fortune to be mid table dross while the 2 sides they hate the most are winning everything. Which is rather Nakamba.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 15, 2019, 01:22:48 PM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.

I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.

Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.

The great thing is, we don't need to sell.

Agree with all that and I suspect Guilbert will be linked as well because I'd rank him as our 2nd best player this year so far (after McGinn) and he is exactly what teams want in a modern fullback.

4 of those are truly inspired signings, McGinn, Guilbert, Nakamba and Engles for less than £20m is some of the best spending the club as ever done, they're over £100m in market value right now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hipkiss92 on October 15, 2019, 02:05:32 PM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.

I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.

Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.

The great thing is, we don't need to sell.

Agree with all that and I suspect Guilbert will be linked as well because I'd rank him as our 2nd best player this year so far (after McGinn) and he is exactly what teams want in a modern fullback.

4 of those are truly inspired signings, McGinn, Guilbert, Nakamba and Engles for less than £20m is some of the best spending the club as ever done, they're over £100m in market value right now.

Early days still, but the benchmark would be SGT bringing in McGrath, Platt and Yorke for peanuts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on October 15, 2019, 02:08:26 PM
Early days still, but the benchmark would be SGT bringing in McGrath, Platt and Yorke for peanuts.

What a spine!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on October 15, 2019, 02:09:12 PM
In fairness to Mills, who is a knob, I doubt many of us would have many, and quite possibly it would also be zero. The only good thing about Liverpool being so good is how shite it must be for manure fans. They've spent a fortune to be mid table dross while the 2 sides they hate the most are winning everything. Which is rather Nakamba.

I hope we never see Blues and West Brom cleaning up whilst we scuttle around doing fuck all. Can you imagine how unsavoury that would be?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 15, 2019, 02:32:00 PM
Early days still, but the benchmark would be SGT bringing in McGrath, Platt and Yorke for peanuts.

What a spine!
£660000 for all three. When Yorke joined the record transfer involving a British club was £4.25M when Chris Waddle moved to Marseille from Spurs. SGT could spot a bargain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on October 15, 2019, 06:20:43 PM
I was talking to a colleague at work about John McGinn and he said his flat mate (a Hibs fan) described McGinn as perpetually running like he’s just jumped out of a landing helicopter. I thought that was pretty accurate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: BC Villain on October 15, 2019, 08:50:08 PM
Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.
Well said on both counts. BM is supposed to be a local paper supporting local clubs so why are they instigating this story? Probably got MU supporting journos in their ranks. Fuck the BM and fuck MU.

Surely newspapers should be reporting rather than supporting, unless it's a paid-for advertising feature

It's not the lack of support I object to, it's more the general going out of their way to annoy Villa fans with non-stories and blatant trolling. Example would be when they interviewed an ex-Liverpool player who had never played for any of our local clubs. It may have been Whelan, I forget. The gist of the article was: why Villa should sell their best player to Liverpool.

Can you imagine the Liverpool Echo running an interview with Dennis Wise trying to undermine Liverpool and saying that Gerrard should sign for Chelsea?

The Meaning Evil are on a par with Radio WM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 09:43:55 PM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.

I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.

Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.

The great thing is, we don't need to sell.

Agree with all that and I suspect Guilbert will be linked as well because I'd rank him as our 2nd best player this year so far (after McGinn) and he is exactly what teams want in a modern fullback.

4 of those are truly inspired signings, McGinn, Guilbert, Nakamba and Engles for less than £20m is some of the best spending the club as ever done, they're over £100m in market value right now.
Was that £100m each? If they are prepared to pay £100m for Pogba and £80m for McGuire. As is said we don’t need to sell.Let’s hope the ambition of the owners,manager and players are the same and that we can finally stop being the selling club we’ve been since Gerry Hitchens and at last build a team around the best players 🙏
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 15, 2019, 10:23:01 PM
Trevor Ford and Danny Blanchflower both left before Hitchens so it's even longer than that!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 10:38:53 PM
Trevor Ford and Danny Blanchflower both left before Hitchens so it's even longer than that!
True I forgot about Blanchflower to Spurs ? Where and when did Trevor Ford go ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2019, 10:49:08 PM
Ford went to Sunderland for what I think at the time was a British record fee.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 10:56:08 PM
Ford went to Sunderland for what I think at the time was a British record fee.
Thank you.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 15, 2019, 10:57:47 PM
I think a lot of people were surpised at Ford leaving for Sunderland when we seemed better positioned than them. Basically, the reverse of the Darren Bent signing. I seem to recall reading about it in a past H&V issue and there was a suggestion, at the time, that they were being "creative" with the maximum wage rule.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 15, 2019, 10:59:15 PM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.

I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.

Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.

The great thing is, we don't need to sell.

Agree with all that and I suspect Guilbert will be linked as well because I'd rank him as our 2nd best player this year so far (after McGinn) and he is exactly what teams want in a modern fullback.

4 of those are truly inspired signings, McGinn, Guilbert, Nakamba and Engles for less than £20m is some of the best spending the club as ever done, they're over £100m in market value right now.
Was that £100m each? If they are prepared to pay £100m for Pogba and £80m for McGuire. As is said we don’t need to sell.Let’s hope the ambition of the owners,manager and players are the same and that we can finally stop being the selling club we’ve been since Gerry Hitchens and at last build a team around the best players 🙏

I said over £100m (as in that the minimum) and it was in the spirit of being conservative and not wanting to over hype players too quickly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 11:23:08 PM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.

I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.

Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.

The great thing is, we don't need to sell.

Agree with all that and I suspect Guilbert will be linked as well because I'd rank him as our 2nd best player this year so far (after McGinn) and he is exactly what teams want in a modern fullback.

4 of those are truly inspired signings, McGinn, Guilbert, Nakamba and Engles for less than £20m is some of the best spending the club as ever done, they're over £100m in market value right now.
Was that £100m each? If they are prepared to pay £100m for Pogba and £80m for McGuire. As is said we don’t need to sell.Let’s hope the ambition of the owners,manager and players are the same and that we can finally stop being the selling club we’ve been since Gerry Hitchens and at last build a team around the best players 🙏

I said over £100m (as in that the minimum) and it was in the spirit of being conservative and not wanting to over hype players too quickly.

Seems  a fair current market price if you can say £100m is fair . I am just worried in advance regarding McGinn , I’ve been watching us for forty two years and have seen plenty of great players . There hasn’t been an occasion though  where I couldn’t think of a player who could come in and possibly be their equal . I am struggling with him as I can’t think of anyone who could replace the minimum of two of him that seem to be on the pitch at any given time ( At Rotherham away I’m sure there were at least four of him)
Coupled to that I’ve been listening to arrogant shite from a Man Utd fan ( actually from Manchester ) telling me that when they come calling he’ll be off to Man U and be known around the world as a household name where as most people around the world have never heard of us , needless to say I do tell him what a tosser he is, It’s just making me pray harder for our club’s continued leadership and hopefully success coupled to their continued demise that he never feels the need to leave us .
When was the last time a great player saw out their entire career with us ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 15, 2019, 11:28:32 PM
Maybe Brian Little, but only because he failed a medical at Mordor.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2019, 11:29:51 PM
So who did you have coming in as the equal for McGrath?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 15, 2019, 11:31:11 PM
How many great players see their career out at one club now anyway? Messi is the obvious exception but I can't think of too many others.

If we can keep the core of this side in place for next season so we can have a summer without a massive rebuild then I'll be happy, I can't bring myself to look much beyond that, I just want to get to the point where we signing 5-6 players across the 2 windows and not expecting them to be straight into the team and firing on all cylinders, that's when we'll start to see the consistency in performance and results that will show us how far this team can go.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2019, 11:31:33 PM
Well McGinn won't be seeing out his entire career with us unless we pretend he didn't play for St Mirren and Hibs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 11:53:01 PM
So who did you have coming in as the equal for McGrath?
I knew Tyrone Mings as a baby and knew if we hung around long enough he’d come good for us 😉
At the time you’re probably right although we have had other great centre halves who might never be held in the same high esteem and be given god like status but Ken McNaught before him helped win more silverware for us and I’d happily accept either in our defence . Laursen, Southgate and Ugo ditto so there’s plenty out there not far off him.  I can see in Liverpool’s Virgil a player I believe to be as cool and composed as our God. I just genuinely don’t see a replacement for McGinn and don’t want us to have to start looking or thinking.
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 15, 2019, 11:53:32 PM
Lots of players don't see out their career at one club because their legs go and they have to play at a lower level. If McGinn leaves Villa aged 39 for some lower division, Scottish, MLS or Chinese team having helped us to seven straight European Cups, it won't be because Villa lack ambition.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 11:56:20 PM
Lots of players don't see out their career at one club because their legs go and they have to play at a lower level. If McGinn leaves Villa aged 39 for some lower division, Scottish, MLS or Chinese team having helped us to seven straight European Cups, it won't be because Villa lack ambition.
Amen.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 12:02:06 AM
Well as you're picking players as replacements for McGrath that had either retired or weren't playing yet then there'll obviously be replacements for McGinn either in the past or who have just been born. I assumed you meant players available at the time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 12:03:33 AM
Lots of players don't see out their career at one club because their legs go and they have to play at a lower level. If McGinn leaves Villa aged 39 for some lower division, Scottish, MLS or Chinese team having helped us to seven straight European Cups, it won't be because Villa lack ambition.
Amen.

So are we ignoring Hibs and St Mirren or ignoring the "entire career" bit?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on October 16, 2019, 09:27:41 AM
The last player that I can think of that played a full, entire career for us was Charlie Aitken.  I don't count the twenty-one games he played for New York Cosmos as their league was in its infancy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 16, 2019, 09:31:45 AM
If we're just talking about playing for the Villa for a long time (not necessarily a "great") Gabby?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 16, 2019, 09:41:47 AM
The last player that I can think of that played a full, entire career for us was Charlie Aitken.  I don't count the twenty-one games he played for New York Cosmos as their league was in its infancy.

What's Brian Little done to you?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on October 16, 2019, 10:35:00 AM
The last player that I can think of that played a full, entire career for us was Charlie Aitken.  I don't count the twenty-one games he played for New York Cosmos as their league was in its infancy.

What's Brian Little done to you?

I guess it wasn't a "full" career?  Likewise Gary Shaw.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 16, 2019, 10:46:22 AM
Gary Shaw also played for other clubs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 11:53:29 AM
Gabby.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 16, 2019, 12:21:17 PM
Gabby played for both Wednesday and Watford on loan.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 16, 2019, 12:29:38 PM
Gary Shaw also played for other clubs.

Didn't he make a very short comeback at some Austrian team.

I can't remember their name, and can't be arsed to google, but *dons WW2 history buff hat* it was the site of a large ball bearing factory which was bombed a lot in the war.

Which is a slightly random fact to recall
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 16, 2019, 12:31:38 PM
Klagenfurt. I fucking knew it
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 12:37:00 PM
Gabby played for both Wednesday and Watford on loan.

I thought about that but to me there's a difference to going out on loan as a youth player and being signed to other clubs. Grealish retires in 15 years as a Villa player, his year at Notts County won't stop me classing him as having spent his entire career with us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: luke95 on October 16, 2019, 12:37:11 PM
The last player that I can think of that played a full, entire career for us was Charlie Aitken.  I don't count the twenty-one games he played for New York Cosmos as their league was in its infancy.

What's Brian Little done to you?

I guess it wasn't a "full" career?  Likewise Gary Shaw.
He also played for Walsall, Shrewsbury & short Spell at Kilmarnock
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2019, 12:37:59 PM
Gary Shaw also played for other clubs.

Didn't he make a very short comeback at some Austrian team.

I can't remember their name, and can't be arsed to google, but *dons WW2 history buff hat* it was the site of a large ball bearing factory which was bombed a lot in the war.

Which is a slightly random fact to recall

He played for Shrewsbury after that, which was his final "proper" team.  I seem to remember they had a good FA Cup run with him in 91, which was my last year at 6th form.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on October 16, 2019, 12:54:15 PM
The last player that I can think of that played a full, entire career for us was Charlie Aitken.  I don't count the twenty-one games he played for New York Cosmos as their league was in its infancy.

What's Brian Little done to you?

Nowt.  He made a couple of appearances for Darlington but they may have been as sub not sure, but Charlie was the one that immediately sprang to mind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 01:21:54 PM
I don't think Brian played for them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 16, 2019, 11:14:42 PM
Lots of players don't see out their career at one club because their legs go and they have to play at a lower level. If McGinn leaves Villa aged 39 for some lower division, Scottish, MLS or Chinese team having helped us to seven straight European Cups, it won't be because Villa lack ambition.
Amen.

So are we ignoring Hibs and St Mirren or ignoring the "entire career" bit?

Neither really, I’m grateful to them and Hibs in particular for providing us with a great player yet again. I suppose I could have / should have quantified my spending their entire career here . I’ll be overjoyed if he spends the peak years of his career here and that we are the pinnacle of his hopefully massively successful record, How does that sound ? I also have no problem with him returning to Scotland, China , MLS or anywhere aged 35 .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 16, 2019, 11:58:50 PM
He could probably play in Scotland, MLS and China when he's thirty-five and run to all the games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: artvandelay on October 17, 2019, 12:41:22 AM
I met him in the Mailbox the other week, I said to him; thank you for everything you've done for the villa, no big deal,  he seemed graeful
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 18, 2019, 05:33:50 PM
25 today, happy birthday SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 19, 2019, 01:56:42 PM
See the Birmingham Mail were at it again the other day with a piece on how Alex Ferguson is interested in McGinn.  Bit of further reading and it turned out to be comments from a Scottish scout who thinks that Ferguson might be interested in McGinn and nothing actually from Ferguson himself. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: glinch on October 19, 2019, 02:05:55 PM
See the Birmingham Mail were at it again the other day with a piece on how Alex Ferguson is interested in McGinn.  Bit of further reading and it turned out to be comments from a Scottish scout who thinks that Ferguson might be interested in McGinn and nothing actually from Ferguson himself. 

Manufactured click bait that unfortunately perpetuates all these rumours.

It's a sad state of affairs that the largest local paper resorts to this to essentially stay in business - working against the local teams best interests.

... but enough has been said about how far that paper has gone downhill.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 20, 2019, 02:22:46 AM
I was talking to a colleague at work about John McGinn and he said his flat mate (a Hibs fan) described McGinn as perpetually running like he’s just jumped out of a landing helicopter. I thought that was pretty accurate.

I enjoyed watching out for this today. I’d read something about him running like a helicopter or something early on and it made no sense. Now it does :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 20, 2019, 12:26:49 PM
Met Super John out on the town last night. Great guy, very willing to have a quick chat but I didn't bother him long. Seemed really down to earth and gracious. We both had birthdays this week, mine the day before his, and he seemed chuffed when I wished him a happy birthday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 20, 2019, 12:28:45 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard E on October 20, 2019, 12:35:46 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?

For all the Michelin starred restaurants in Manchester.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2019, 12:59:24 PM
Met Super John out on the town last night. Great guy, very willing to have a quick chat but I didn't bother him long. Seemed really down to earth and gracious. We both had birthdays this week, mine the day before his, and he seemed chuffed when I wished him a happy birthday.

Happy birthday to you too! Bonus you got meet McGinn and enjoy the villa win yesterday ! Great week for you ,!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 20, 2019, 10:05:20 PM
Thanks Vill I An. It was a cocktail bar down by the canal and near Broad Street area.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 21, 2019, 02:50:08 AM
Thanks Vill I An. It was a cocktail bar down by the canal and near Broad Street area.

I met him at the same place.

I told him success has been so easy for you.
But don't forget, it's me who put you where you are now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: The Edge on October 21, 2019, 07:39:31 AM
What were you guys AND SJM doing in town on a Saturday night? According to the Small Heath massive we're not allowed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 21, 2019, 08:20:37 AM
What were you guys AND SJM doing in town on a Saturday night? According to the Small Heath massive we're not allowed.

Surprised we weren't killed. Was afeared for me life the entire time, with the triumphant Zulu Army swarming the place
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 21, 2019, 08:50:53 AM
I think in time unless we break into the top 6 the pressure to really go for it will be too much for him and Tyrone. I think jack will be our Matt tiss
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 21, 2019, 08:53:30 AM
I think in time unless we break into the top 6 the pressure to really go for it will be too much for him and Tyrone. I think jack will be our Matt tiss
Assuming we stay up then we'll keep them all for at least one more season.  It will depend on where we are then as to how it pans out. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 21, 2019, 09:31:37 AM
Given our owners and their obvious ambition I think we'll hold onto everyone next summer and then it'll be all about the business we do and how far we can push on. I suspect if we're not in Europe in the 21-22 season then we might start to see players looking elsewhere. If that happens how we use the big money that comes in will define the club we're going to be going forward.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: The Edge on October 21, 2019, 09:39:20 AM
What were you guys AND SJM doing in town on a Saturday night? According to the Small Heath massive we're not allowed.

Surprised we weren't killed. Was afeared for me life the entire time, with the triumphant Zulu Army swarming the place
I was in the Shakespeare/Briar Rose/ Sun on the hill. Guess i got lucky too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 21, 2019, 11:22:29 PM
I think in time unless we break into the top 6 the pressure to really go for it will be too much for him and Tyrone. I think jack will be our Matt tiss

Maybe you are right, but with the personalities these guys seem to have, the progress they’ve made together, the joyous way we came up and *they* were both so pivotal in making history, excelling for club and country, both so loved, the unadulterated fun they seem to have had at times, John being mates with Jack, I think we’ve got the best chance for that extra bit of loyalty.
Of course I’ll always be the naive optimist, but I think I can judge a character too and I don’t think they’ll be off at the first sniff, and we certainly don’t need to let them go.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 21, 2019, 11:25:03 PM
And it’s so damn good to be able to type that, to believe it even if I’m wrong. We’ve had our share of those not delivering or even trying, but it’s just wondeful to have multiple players we love.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 22, 2019, 09:51:12 AM
And it’s so damn good to be able to type that, to believe it even if I’m wrong. We’ve had our share of those not delivering or even trying, but it’s just wondeful to have multiple players we love.

It's been a long long time since we've loved players, great isn't it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 22, 2019, 01:10:59 PM
And it’s so damn good to be able to type that, to believe it even if I’m wrong. We’ve had our share of those not delivering or even trying, but it’s just wondeful to have multiple players we love.

It's been a long long time since we've loved players, great isn't it?

What an excellent point - we really do seem to have "our" club back and the players seem to be every bit a part of that

Long may it continue
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on October 22, 2019, 04:46:00 PM
In terms of value and impact, Villa's best signing since...? I'm struggling to think.  Maybe Barry?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave P on October 22, 2019, 04:49:26 PM
In terms of value and impact, Villa's best signing since...? I'm struggling to think.  Maybe Barry?

Barry didn't make an 'instant' impact as he was a kid.  McGinn certainly has.  I'm thinking maybe Dublin?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: manic-road on October 22, 2019, 05:29:16 PM
Bent made quite an impact after signing, scoring goals pretty much straight away.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on October 22, 2019, 05:34:57 PM
Bent cost the best part of £20m... and you are correct about Barry of course, Dave, his impact was longer term.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Virgil Caine on October 22, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
In terms of value and impact, Villa's best signing since...? I'm struggling to think.  Maybe Barry?

I have always thought in my time supporting the greatest team in the world that the signing of Ray Graydon had the most impact. A part exchange deal involving Brian Godfrey seemed to me to be the catalyst in the revival of Villas fortunes from the dark days of Div 3.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: amfy on October 22, 2019, 06:58:17 PM
Maybe John Carew - a simple swap for Milan Baros & an instant hero.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 23, 2019, 11:42:35 AM
David Platt, or maybe even Peter Withe.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on October 23, 2019, 12:46:41 PM
YES Dave!!  Platt! This is exactly the sort of impact I was trying to pin down.  However didn't he cost something in the region of £250k? Which for the time was a substantial transfer fee.  This signing is incredible when you consider the price tag he was wearing on arrival, it is as if we have signed the footballing equivalent of Paddington Bear!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 23, 2019, 03:12:28 PM
SGT signed Platt for £200000 which was probably a bit more than he wanted because Steve Harrison, who had been assistant manager at Villa but had left to take over at Watford (and had scouted Platt with SGT) offered £150000.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 23, 2019, 04:51:43 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?

For the Michelin starred restaurant in Manchester.

FIFY. They’ve got one at last.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on October 23, 2019, 05:32:00 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?

For the Michelin starred restaurant in Manchester.

FIFY. They’ve got one at last.

I’m going soon, I’ll report back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2019, 02:07:32 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?

For the Michelin starred restaurant in Manchester.

FIFY. They’ve got one at last.

I’m going soon, I’ll report back.

It should be good.  It was an absolute travesty that Manchester House didn't have one when Aiden Byrne was there, completely brilliant food.  Pushed into second place by in my list of all time favourite meals by Adams, but still very good indeed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on October 24, 2019, 03:33:22 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?

For the Michelin starred restaurant in Manchester.

FIFY. They’ve got one at last.

I’m going soon, I’ll report back.

It should be good.  It was an absolute travesty that Manchester House didn't have one when Aiden Byrne was there, completely brilliant food.  Pushed into second place by in my list of all time favourite meals by Adams, but still very good indeed.

I agree the food was very good there but I felt the service and ambience was a bit too try hard, I preferred the French myself as Rogan is very good but that probably suffered a bit from the same problem.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 24, 2019, 05:51:54 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?

For the Michelin starred restaurant in Manchester.

FIFY. They’ve got one at last.

I’m going soon, I’ll report back.

It should be good.  It was an absolute travesty that Manchester House didn't have one when Aiden Byrne was there, completely brilliant food.  Pushed into second place by in my list of all time favourite meals by Adams, but still very good indeed.
Whatever happened to 'real' football fans?!











My best culinary experience was a long, long time ago in Eugénie-les-Bains, courtesy of chef Michel Guérard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2019, 08:07:54 PM
My lunch today was from Greggs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Iamkmkm on October 24, 2019, 08:55:33 PM
Scoring for fun in the PL,what a bargain this player is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Louzie0 on October 24, 2019, 09:40:01 PM
My lunch today was from Greggs.
My lunch today was on the M1

UTV!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 25, 2019, 12:22:03 AM
My lunch today was from Greggs.

Vegan sausage roll again Risso?

My lunch was made by Gregg in Luton’s finest (only) vegan establishment, Gregg himself despite living  nowhere near having been taken to the Villa a lot by a neighbour as a nipper.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on October 25, 2019, 03:40:25 AM
I’m just having a pint of XXXX for lunch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on October 26, 2019, 07:39:34 AM
Article on SJM in today's Daily Mail

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20191026/283270279564583
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 27, 2019, 12:27:30 AM
Article on SJM in today's Daily Mail

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20191026/283270279564583

Can you paste Lew, so others don’t have to soil themselves?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on October 27, 2019, 01:31:47 PM
Article on SJM in today's Daily Mail

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20191026/283270279564583

Can you paste Lew, so others don’t have to soil themselves?

Sorry unfortunately that's beyond my extremely limited computer skills!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on October 27, 2019, 02:06:39 PM
Article on SJM in today's Daily Mail

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20191026/283270279564583

Can you paste Lew, so others don’t have to soil themselves?

Sorry unfortunately that's beyond my extremely limited computer skills!

The link is fine/ was fine as is.  Great article btw, thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on November 16, 2019, 04:06:22 PM
Another goal for a Scotland victory, 4 in 2 games for them. Hope he’s not too knackered!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Damo70 on November 16, 2019, 04:34:51 PM
Another good international performance from him today. He is probably Scotland's best player at the moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 16, 2019, 04:39:27 PM
Don't damn him with faint praise please, Damo.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on November 16, 2019, 08:26:57 PM
Indeed, give him some proper praise.  He is probably the best Scotland player for a decade.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 16, 2019, 11:31:17 PM
The first time I've watched a Scotland match that hasn't involved England, EVER !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: The Edge on November 19, 2019, 09:47:53 PM
Another goal for a Scotland victory, 4 in 2 games for them. Hope he’s not too knackered!
Scored 2 more tonight. Congratulations to him. It's a double edged sword though as the media wankfest over him supposedly being wanted by Yanited will be in full swing now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on November 19, 2019, 10:08:43 PM
Our success in this league (and the last) is reliant on our thee best players in McGinn, Jack and Mings.  There is no way on Earth we will sell any of these players mid-season.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on November 19, 2019, 10:20:12 PM
I love him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Billy Walker on November 19, 2019, 11:25:30 PM
Another goal for a Scotland victory, 4 in 2 games for them. Hope he’s not too knackered!
Scored 2 more tonight. Congratulations to him. It's a double edged sword though as the media wankfest over him supposedly being wanted by Yanited will be in full swing now.

It matters not a jot what the media say, I can't see NSWE wanting to sell our key players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 20, 2019, 12:20:08 AM
Relax; it just puts the price up -not that we're selling!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on November 20, 2019, 12:01:16 PM
It's not easy for teams to cherry pick players these days. There's so much money in the Premier League that you just do what Leicester did with Maguire. If you want him, it will cost you £80m otherwise go away.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on November 20, 2019, 12:39:01 PM
It's not easy for teams to cherry pick players these days. There's so much money in the Premier League that you just do what Leicester did with Maguire. If you want him, it will cost you £80m otherwise go away.

However, if you have assets like McGinn, Mings and Grealish they do have a price and if idiot clubs like United want to splash the cash and pay it then fine. For me it’s how you then reinvest that money that’s important, something Leicester have done very well with the Maguire money. I’m more confident that our whole ownership and management at the club know when the right time to cash in is and how to then reinvest. However it’s a moot point currently as we’re nowhere near that point currently.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on November 20, 2019, 04:52:37 PM
Absolutely, recruitment has to be right.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on November 20, 2019, 05:15:53 PM
I think if you were offered silly money for Mings and McGinn, you'd be able to replace them without too much bother.  Grealish is different though, I don't think we'll see his like at Villa again, he's a once in a generation sort of player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on November 20, 2019, 05:32:18 PM
I think if you were offered silly money for Mings and McGinn, you'd be able to replace them without too much bother.  Grealish is different though, I don't think we'll see his like at Villa again, he's a once in a generation sort of player.

Fair comment Riss, I’d agree with that, which makes progression on the football front vital for the club as ultimately someone with Grealish talent could command silly money and silly wages within the next 18 months.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 20, 2019, 09:32:54 PM
I think if you were offered silly money for Mings and McGinn, you'd be able to replace them without too much bother.  Grealish is different though, I don't think we'll see his like at Villa again, he's a once in a generation sort of player.
I agree, obviously Southgate doesn’t.
I do not think England produces this sort of player too often, closest thing to Gascoine I have seen.
Not saying he is or will be as good but i do see similarities.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2019, 10:53:20 AM
Grealish's absence is similar to Sid's lack of call-ups.

I wouldn't sell McGinn, he's far too good to easily replace.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on November 21, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
Grealish's absence is similar to Sid's lack of call-ups.

I wouldn't sell McGinn, he's far too good to easily replace.

Agree.  All players are sold / leave at some point.  The trick is to do it at the right time, be that because the player is just beyond their peak and you can still get decent money, or because you have a ready made replacement that is at least as good and will cost you less. 

At the moment, I don't care how much money we might get for Jack or McGinn, because selling them would completely burst the bubble on the fan / player good vibes and buying a replacement would be nigh on impossible.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2019, 01:54:42 PM
Where does SJM play for Scotland.
Surely we should be pushing him up the pitch as he is one of a few players that might actually score.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on November 22, 2019, 07:25:04 AM
We don't usually say it as we tend to pay over the odds but mcginn has to be one of our biggest ever bargains. A real gem.

I think he may go for big money next summer if one of the big boys comes calling .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JD on November 22, 2019, 07:51:01 AM
If we stay up this season (which we will), with our owners we will be one of the big boys.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 22, 2019, 08:37:16 AM
If we stay up this season (which we will), with our owners we will be one of the big boys.

Every indication is that they're being cautious this season, then when we stay up it's stratosphere time
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on November 23, 2019, 10:04:49 AM
If we stay up this season (which we will), with our owners we will be one of the big boys.

Every indication is that they're being cautious this season, then when we stay up it's stratosphere time


It's the staying up bit that is key, and if their caution sends us down, then it's another year wasted and having to completely rebuild.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 23, 2019, 01:29:11 PM
For club and country, McGinn has scored as many goals this season as Lionel Messi.

(I'm just posting this before the latter, inevitably, scores today).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 23, 2019, 05:01:38 PM
If we stay up this season (which we will), with our owners we will be one of the big boys.

Every indication is that they're being cautious this season, then when we stay up it's stratosphere time


It's the staying up bit that is key, and if their caution sends us down, then it's another year wasted and having to completely rebuild.
We have the January transfer window to address our concerns - you honestly think they will not invest and the management team have not identified their targets?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on November 23, 2019, 05:09:36 PM
I was hoping SJM wouldnt play in one of their games, seeing as he looked pretty knackered before he went off with them.

Fingers crossed he's bang at it on Monday night.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on November 23, 2019, 05:12:32 PM
If we stay up this season (which we will), with our owners we will be one of the big boys.

Every indication is that they're being cautious this season, then when we stay up it's stratosphere time


It's the staying up bit that is key, and if their caution sends us down, then it's another year wasted and having to completely rebuild.
We have the January transfer window to address our concerns - you honestly think they will not invest and the management team have not identified their targets?

I hope so.  But then I didn't think they'd leave us so short up front during the summer window, so who knows.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 24, 2019, 06:35:06 AM
We have the January transfer window to address our concerns - you honestly think they will not invest and the management team have not identified their targets?
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I hope so.  But then I didn't think they'd leave us so short up front during the summer window, so who knows.
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Fair comment
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on November 24, 2019, 10:46:54 AM
Grealish's absence is similar to Sid's lack of call-ups.
Really? - I don't think Grealish has yet played anything like enough top-flight games, in the way that Sid had. Maybe by the end of this season he'll have provied himself.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 24, 2019, 03:22:08 PM
Not sure if this has already been posted but it certainly brought a smile to my face. Brilliant stuff.

https://twitter.com/AvfcGhana/status/1193832509177581568
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on November 24, 2019, 07:10:13 PM
I see Bruce thinks John is only good enough for a mid table team:

“Newcastle manager and former Villa boss Steve Bruce claimed McGinn was currently performing "at Man United level" such have been his high standards of late”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 24, 2019, 07:59:24 PM
I see Bruce thinks John is only good enough for a mid table team:

“Newcastle manager and former Villa boss Steve Bruce claimed McGinn was currently performing "at Man United level" such have been his high standards of late”
And people wonder why he gets so much stick.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on November 25, 2019, 11:12:36 AM
I've seen Bruce say McGinn was probably his best ever signing but I'm sure I've read somewhere that it was the owners who wanted to bring him in and Bruce was reluctant. Has anybody else seen similar?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 25, 2019, 01:33:46 PM
I've seen Bruce say McGinn was probably his best ever signing but I'm sure I've read somewhere that it was the owners who wanted to bring him in and Bruce was reluctant. Has anybody else seen similar?

Think Celtic were set to sign McGinn at the time but were penny pinching with Hibs so we swooped in to get him. It was one of the reasons Brendan Rodgers cited for leaving Celtic later on. It may have been Bruce, we were heavily linked to an Aberdeen centre half whose name escapes me that summer too, so obviously we were scouting the Scottish league.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: fbriai on November 25, 2019, 01:45:00 PM
Scott McKenna, I think.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on November 25, 2019, 06:36:36 PM
Hope SJM performs well tonight . Think he’s badly missed jack in last few weeks and his performances been well below the expectations he’s set now. No goals and I don’t think assists either.
Been playing well for Scotland though so I’ve been kept loyalty and he’s still in my dream team....need a couple of goals / assists tonigh though or he’s getting dropped
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on November 26, 2019, 08:09:15 AM
Didn't have his best game but hopefully saving thag for manure on Sunday! We owe them a beating
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 26, 2019, 10:27:41 AM
Didn't have his best game but hopefully saving thag for manure on Sunday! We owe them a beating

We certainly do.

And I thought he made a couple of uncharacteristic errors, losing possession last night. I suspect due to a little fatigue; he needs a breather soon.

Still, he's bloody brilliant.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2019, 10:59:26 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Tb0383v/sjm.png)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on November 26, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
Thought him and Jack were trying desperately hard to set each other up with nothing quite coming off 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞they’ve saved them all for Sunday’s trip to Man Utd
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 26, 2019, 11:25:45 PM
I would love to see SJM pushed alongside Jack and Wes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: stevo_st on November 26, 2019, 11:42:42 PM
I would love to see SJM pushed alongside Jack and Wes.
How would that work?
Play 3 Centre Backs, with wingbacks
3-4-2-1?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2019, 11:49:43 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Tb0383v/sjm.png)

I've just clicked on the play arrow three times.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: stevo_st on November 27, 2019, 12:02:52 AM
https://youtu.be/R6l4BOgvMTE
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 27, 2019, 12:13:53 AM
I would love to see SJM pushed alongside Jack and Wes.
How would that work?
Play 3 Centre Backs, with wingbacks
3-4-2-1?
4-3-3
Same as now with any 3 from Hourihane Luis Marvelous and Angela in midfield
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2019, 11:50:56 AM
Bit harsh on AEG. SJM has got enough energy to be able to support the front players from the midfield. May even help him to be running from deeper.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 28, 2019, 05:46:10 PM
Bit harsh on AEG. SJM has got enough energy to be able to support the front players from the midfield. May even help him to be running from deeper.
I would not mind a front 3 of SJM AEG and Jack.
McGinn is scoring goals for fun for Scotland and maybe our most natural finisher.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Damo70 on December 02, 2019, 12:31:48 AM
SJM is probably Scotland's main man at the moment and maybe that is why he hasn't shone so bright for Villa lately. If Jack carries on as he is we might have the same problem with him and England.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on December 02, 2019, 01:16:37 AM
I don't think it is humanly possible to maintain his non-stop all-action style over a season.
Either he has to pace himself, or we need to rest him occasionally.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on December 02, 2019, 03:34:59 AM
I'd actually look to give him a rest against Chelsea and have him back for Leicester - looks like he needs a break.  Go with Luiz, Marvellous, Conor and Jack.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on December 02, 2019, 06:47:55 AM
I mentioned it in the Newcastle post match thread and it looked pretty obvious to me yesterday too, he needs a rest
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on December 02, 2019, 08:30:01 PM
A rest? Not for me.

He's one of our best players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on December 02, 2019, 08:35:25 PM
No he doesn't need any rest. He had plenty of that when playing for Scotland.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on December 02, 2019, 09:26:15 PM
Keep him in, he’s been still playing well enough, just not as brilliant as he can.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hipkiss92 on December 02, 2019, 09:30:21 PM
His best run of form last season coincided with having an enforced rest after too many yellow cards and then coming off the bench at blues and storming round the place
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 02, 2019, 09:57:43 PM
Keep him in, he’s been still playing well enough, just not as brilliant as he can.

He was poor yesterday I thought, offered little with or without the ball. Following on from average/poor performances v Wolves and Newcastle. Time for a break.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on December 02, 2019, 10:46:16 PM
I’d still give him a 6 out 10 for yesterday, so I’d  keep him in. He wasn’t that bad and you know with him this will just change and he’ll be back to his best again. He’s had little dips before then suddenly he’s back charging all over the pitch and amongst the goals again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on December 02, 2019, 10:48:20 PM
Just go back to March, April this year and people were saying this, then he has a stormer and we were all glad he wasn’t benched.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 02, 2019, 10:49:41 PM
A rest? Not for me.

He's one of our best players.

This.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 02, 2019, 11:29:08 PM
Just go back to March, April this year and people were saying this, then he has a stormer and we were all glad he wasn’t benched.

He was benched v Birmingham. Came on and helped change the game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 03, 2019, 09:39:52 AM
It may be a coincidence but he seems to have been quieter since Jack moved position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 03, 2019, 09:50:21 AM
I think the carrying Scotland has had an impact, it must be like playing with a piano on yer back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 03, 2019, 10:16:04 AM
Keep him in, he’s been still playing well enough, just not as brilliant as he can.

He was poor yesterday I thought, offered little with or without the ball. Following on from average/poor performances v Wolves and Newcastle. Time for a break.

Both he and Freddy have been busy on the right side up against some more than decent attackers. For some strange reason teams have been targeting our right side, no idea why when it's much stronger defensively than our left. Still, not to worry.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: FrankyH on December 07, 2019, 12:01:31 PM
Feature on Football focus about Super John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on December 08, 2019, 08:36:29 AM
When Grealish was dropping deeper JM had a lot more freedom to move about but with Jack playing a more forward role he has a more defensive roll.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on December 08, 2019, 09:24:49 AM
Agree with these points I was watching SJM closely against Chelsea and I don’t think he actually had a quiet game as such - his tackling, ball retention and recycling were good and he made incisive runs. I just think he’s being asked to play in a way that frees jack up. It’s not a coincidence that he has gone ‘quiet’ at the same time jack has started getting headlines again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on December 08, 2019, 10:18:17 AM
Agree with these points I was watching SJM closely against Chelsea and I don’t think he actually had a quiet game as such - his tackling, ball retention and recycling were good and he made incisive runs. I just think he’s being asked to play in a way that frees jack up. It’s not a coincidence that he has gone ‘quiet’ at the same time jack has started getting headlines again.
The challenge is to make that system flexible, so that our apporach is less predictable for the oppo.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on December 08, 2019, 01:10:09 PM
Yeah agreed it shouldn’t be such a straightforward trade off between them. Really we should be finding a way to combine jack being as threatening as he has been lately with SJM playing like he did in the first few games of the season. You’d think marvelous and luiz playing together is the key to that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 08, 2019, 03:50:58 PM
He's really gone off the boil recently.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Small Rodent on December 08, 2019, 04:26:50 PM
Played out of position.

Only on BBC to tout him to “bigger” clubs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 08, 2019, 04:33:29 PM
Ran out of steam I think. Played a huge amount of club football over last year (remember he didn't have three month injury lay off like Jack) and one of the few key Scotland players who dosen't pull out of squads injured so he's played all those games.

Probably does need a breather. He's on 3 yellows so will get a one match ban soon anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flin5tone on December 08, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
Showing why he only cost what he did.
Done nothing today
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 08, 2019, 05:01:19 PM
Showing why he only cost what he did.


(https://media.giphy.com/media/JUMLTR3dHEGpW/200.gif)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 08, 2019, 06:40:16 PM
I absolutely love SJM but he is clearly struggling. With the games coming thick and fast over Christmas he'll have to be rested surely?

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2019, 06:42:37 PM
He's been out of form for weeks now. If he's not getting on to chances around the edge of the box, he's not adding a whole lot else.   You can see him busting a gut still, so the effort is there, it's just to very little effect.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 08, 2019, 06:49:47 PM
I've been saying for the last couple of months he disappears in the second half, not half the player he was in normally a brilliant first half. Today despite his best efforts he really didn't turn up. Like everybody else, I can't understand why other then he's knackered. Whatever the reason, Dean needs to discover, address it and quickly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
I'm not sure why he should be knackered.  There are fewer games than in the Championship, and we're not in Europe.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 08, 2019, 07:05:23 PM
Needs dropping and has done for a few weeks now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 08, 2019, 07:15:15 PM
Showing why he only cost what he did.
Done nothing today

Aye, he's pish. Worse than Balaban.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on December 08, 2019, 07:29:46 PM
Showing why he only cost what he did.
Done nothing today

For whatever the reasons, SJM is a shadow of the player we've come to know at VP at the moment.

But that comment is a wind up surely?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 16, 2019, 11:14:19 PM
The report states that SJM will be rested against Liverpool tomorrow and that the midfielder was in considerable discomfort following Villa's 2-0 win over Newcastle last month, and a scan revealed a tear to a thigh muscle, thought to have sustained playing for Scotland.

McGinn has been having painkilling injections to get through matches, and was not able to take a full part in training sessions.
He is believed to have resumed normal training only last week, even though he still played every minute of the games against Manchester United, Chelsea and Leicester.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 16, 2019, 11:19:21 PM
Needs dropping and has done for a few weeks now.

Well now we know .
He's been playing injured
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on December 17, 2019, 03:31:40 AM
I'm no expert but that doesn't sound like the type of injury you can recover from if he's playing all the time.  Would anyone in the know hazard a guess at the recovery time with rest?

We need him at 100% asap.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2019, 04:29:40 AM
I'm not sure why he should be knackered.  There are fewer games than in the Championship, and we're not in Europe.

We're chasing the ball a lot more in the PL. We kept the ball a lot more in the Championship.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 17, 2019, 07:41:14 AM
If he's playing through an injury it's going to end in tears. Give him a rest and get the other midfielders to start pressing like bastids.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 17, 2019, 08:36:10 AM
The report states that SJM will be rested against Liverpool tomorrow and that the midfielder was in considerable discomfort following Villa's 2-0 win over Newcastle last month, and a scan revealed a tear to a thigh muscle, thought to have sustained playing for Scotland.

McGinn has been having painkilling injections to get through matches, and was not able to take a full part in training sessions.
He is believed to have resumed normal training only last week, even though he still played every minute of the games against Manchester United, Chelsea and Leicester.
Fair play, what a trooper.  Hopefully he'll be back to his best soon.

Hard to understand why we didn't rest him for at least one of those games though.  He's too important to us to risk long term injury.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 17, 2019, 08:40:15 AM
Makes a hell of a lot of sense. Have to say I'm massively disappointed in Dean Smith if true that McGinn has a thigh muscle tear and he's been letting him play through it week-in, week-out. Wilfully stupid.

I want DS to stay and be successful here but it seems like every day that passes just raises another big question about his management this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on December 17, 2019, 08:44:33 AM
Makes a mockery of the 'we have two players for each position' comment when we are not playing SJM's replacement? 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DB on December 17, 2019, 09:04:50 AM
In DS defence, he will be going on the advice of the Dr and medical team. I hope so anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 17, 2019, 09:09:57 AM
In DS defence, he will be going on the advice of the Dr and medical team. I hope so anyway.

There is no way a medical team has assessed a thigh muscle tear (if the reports are true) and said "yep, he's OK to play".
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 17, 2019, 09:59:41 AM
In DS defence, he will be going on the advice of the Dr and medical team. I hope so anyway.

There is no way a medical team has assessed a thigh muscle tear (if the reports are true) and said "yep, he's OK to play".
To be fair, non of us know the extent of the injury or what the medical team said.  I'd be amazed if Smith insisted he played against medical advice.

He's not the first and won't be the last player to play through a niggling injury.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on December 17, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
He was administered injections to enable him to play, its self evident that the medical team were involved in the decision making process of allowing him to play.

Sportsmen play with injuries on a routine basis. Find me a fast bowler that's not got a niggling injury.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 17, 2019, 10:30:56 AM
He was administered injections to enable him to play, its self evident that the medical team were involved in the decision making process of allowing him to play.

Sportsmen play with injuries on a routine basis. Find me a fast bowler that's not got a niggling injury.

A medical team being told to administer a pain-killing injection so a player can make it through 90 minutes is a world away from them advising the manager "He's fine to play" and DS making the decision on that basis.

Are you telling me they also signed off on James Chester playing through injury for virtually a whole season, on the basis of the fact that they were the ones administering the injections? That was clearly a decision made by player & manager.

The difference there is we had very little option but to play James Chester, who deserves every plaudit for agreeing to play nonetheless.

Conversely, Smith allowing McGinn to play through an injury when there are other available options is not just negligent, it's downright stupid. That's if the report is true.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 17, 2019, 10:33:14 AM
He was administered injections to enable him to play, its self evident that the medical team were involved in the decision making process of allowing him to play.

Sportsmen play with injuries on a routine basis. Find me a fast bowler that's not got a niggling injury.

Bob Willis?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2019, 10:39:38 AM
Too soon.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on December 17, 2019, 11:40:21 AM
Ooooooh. Too soon indeed!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on December 17, 2019, 11:42:13 AM
He was administered injections to enable him to play, its self evident that the medical team were involved in the decision making process of allowing him to play.

Sportsmen play with injuries on a routine basis. Find me a fast bowler that's not got a niggling injury.

A medical team being told to administer a pain-killing injection so a player can make it through 90 minutes is a world away from them advising the manager "He's fine to play" and DS making the decision on that basis.

Are you telling me they also signed off on James Chester playing through injury for virtually a whole season, on the basis of the fact that they were the ones administering the injections? That was clearly a decision made by player & manager.

The difference there is we had very little option but to play James Chester, who deserves every plaudit for agreeing to play nonetheless.

Conversely, Smith allowing McGinn to play through an injury when there are other available options is not just negligent, it's downright stupid. That's if the report is true.

Yes, the medical team will have had an input in the decision making process. Like with Grealish. He was played last season up until he couldn't any longer, as the risks of a leg fracture became too great
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: robleflaneur on December 17, 2019, 12:10:07 PM
Agree with all the points made in the recent posts.It was obvious to the fans that he was struggling and needed replacing.
If he had to play any games ,then surely the next 3 league games against possible relegation candidates should have been the priority.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on December 17, 2019, 12:26:42 PM
Makes a mockery of the 'we have two players for each position' comment when we are not playing SJM's replacement? 

Not really. I'm sure Barcelona have another player in Messi's position, they'd just rather play Messi if possible. Same with Aguero at Man City and so on. McGinn is one of our best players so they want to play him if at all possible. Having two players per position doesn't mean we are going to have 22 players of a Grealish/McGinn standard yet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2019, 12:42:35 PM
He's adding nothing much to the team at the moment.  He's not great in the tackle, and he's not getting into dangerous areas to have a crack at goal, with one attempt in the last four games.

The trouble is, all of the midfielders we have, ie McGinn, Luiz, Nakamba, Hourihane, Lansbury are all looking poor at the same time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on December 17, 2019, 01:05:43 PM
Makes a mockery of the 'we have two players for each position' comment when we are not playing SJM's replacement? 

Not really. I'm sure Barcelona have another player in Messi's position, they'd just rather play Messi if possible. Same with Aguero at Man City and so on. McGinn is one of our best players so they want to play him if at all possible. Having two players per position doesn't mean we are going to have 22 players of a Grealish/McGinn standard yet.

So the McGinn replacement is so bad that we'd rather play an injured McGinn. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on December 17, 2019, 01:09:31 PM
Some players have to play if fit. For us it’s Mings, McGinn and Grealish. No ifs no buts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on December 17, 2019, 01:15:38 PM
Some players have to play if fit. For us it’s Mings, McGinn and Grealish.

No ifs no buts.
...no Hackney Council Cuts

Sorry pavlovian response.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: BC Villain on December 17, 2019, 01:29:43 PM
Makes a hell of a lot of sense. Have to say I'm massively disappointed in Dean Smith if true that McGinn has a thigh muscle tear and he's been letting him play through it week-in, week-out. Wilfully stupid.

I want DS to stay and be successful here but it seems like every day that passes just raises another big question about his management this season.

Same thing happened with James Chester.  Albeit Bruce leaving us with no defenders played a part
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 17, 2019, 02:33:39 PM
Is not Douglas injured too ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on December 17, 2019, 02:53:21 PM
Is not Douglas injured too ?
you are yoda and I collect £10.00
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on December 21, 2019, 12:03:18 AM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/former-hibs-ace-john-mcginn-gets-name-check-house-commons-1345991

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Former Hibs ace John McGinn gets name-check in the House of Commons

Aston Villa star mentioned by SNP member of parliament

Thursday, 19th December 2019, 5:29 pm

Former Hibs midfielder John McGinn has been mentioned in the House of Commons.

The Aston Villa and Scotland ace has been a revelation in his maiden season in the English Premier League, with Manchester United linked with a big-money move for the 25-year-old.

For the time being, he is a fans' favourite of Villa - and when new Walsall North MP Eddie Hughes was congratulated for his address to parliament by SNP Commons leader and keen Hibs fan Ian Blackford, McGinn's name came up in conversation.

Ross, Skye and Lochaber MP Blackford said: “I must say to the honourable member for Walsall North, I know he is a great football fan, I thought he would have perhaps mentioned Aston Villa. I know they are not having the best of times, but I hope he is enjoying watching John McGinn that we gifted from Hibernian to him last year.”

Hughes, a passionate Villa supporter, recognised the reference with a cheery laugh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on December 21, 2019, 04:57:11 PM
Probably won't be seeing SJM for a good while now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frank black on December 21, 2019, 06:02:19 PM
No, didn’t look good at all.

I know his been off sorts recently but he’s going to be a massive miss.

Are we going to roll the dice in January by spending? I think we have to, but I guess FFP will dictate.  Pfft shite day all round
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on December 21, 2019, 06:04:36 PM
well at least he’ll get that rest some of you have been banging on about now
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on December 21, 2019, 06:14:38 PM
Too late now. Rehab from a nasty injury doesn’t count as a rest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frank black on December 21, 2019, 06:16:36 PM
Ankle/foot injury  judging from the incident.

Fingers crossed with the scan.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 21, 2019, 07:28:35 PM
Smith said in his post match interview that he went off for an x-ray and it didn't look good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 21, 2019, 07:30:26 PM
We were sat in front of it, looked like he caught his stud and turned his ankle as well as landing badly. He was in a lot of pain by the look of it as well, not good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: David_Nab on December 21, 2019, 08:37:42 PM
We were sat in front of it, looked like he caught his stud and turned his ankle as well as landing badly. He was in a lot of pain by the look of it as well, not good.

Yup didnt look good at all , he couldn't stand on it at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 21, 2019, 09:06:17 PM
Out for season allegedly
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 21, 2019, 09:08:06 PM
From your mate, Vinnie?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: FrankyH on December 21, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
Out for season allegedly

What source is that from ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 21, 2019, 09:10:53 PM
Fucking hell. If that's true, I'm even more angry at Smith than I thought I was.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 21, 2019, 09:14:24 PM
From your mate, Vinnie?

Not from my usual. Done his ankle. 4 months ish he reckons
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 21, 2019, 09:18:19 PM
That's another one to add to January's shopping list then.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 21, 2019, 09:20:01 PM
From your mate, Vinnie?

Not from my usual. Done his ankle. 4 months ish he reckons

Ouch!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 21, 2019, 10:58:38 PM
From your mate, Vinnie?

Not from my usual. Done his ankle. 4 months ish he reckons

That's not too bad. Might come back for final few games.

To spin it means we're more likely to keep hold of him whatever division we're in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 22, 2019, 06:48:33 AM
It's great that John has so much energy and enthusiasm that he wants to bomb about in the first minutes of a game, but in the PL if you take that approach you are going to be blowing out your arse after 60 minutes.
Why was John though bombing from right to left to put a tackle in on a right back on the touchline by the dugout at that stage in the game? The ball was going nowhere anyway! He had to pass Wesley to do so, so why didn't he chase the right back down? As we didn't have the ball why wasn't Jack closing the right back down? If John felt he had to do what he did because others aren't doing their jobs, then Deano needs to f-cking sort that out even if it's the captain getting a rollicking! As it is we are probs going to be without McGinn for a while.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frank black on December 22, 2019, 07:10:34 AM
It's great that John has so much energy and enthusiasm that he wants to bomb about in the first minutes of a game, but in the PL if you take that approach you are going to be blowing out your arse after 60 minutes.
Why was John though bombing from right to left to put a tackle in on a right back on the touchline by the dugout at that stage in the game? The ball was going nowhere anyway! He had to pass Wesley to do so, so why didn't he chase the right back down? As we didn't have the ball why wasn't Jack closing the right back down? If John felt he had to do what he did because others aren't doing their jobs, then Deano needs to f-cking sort that out even if it's the captain getting a rollicking! As it is we are probs going to be without McGinn for a while.

Because he was pissed off after being fouled and the ref didn’t give it. Passion was substituted from the team at that point.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on December 22, 2019, 07:34:12 AM
From your mate, Vinnie?

Not from my usual. Done his ankle. 4 months ish he reckons

That's not too bad. Might come back for final few games.

To spin it means we're more likely to keep hold of him whatever division we're in.

He wont wnat to play in the chmapionship. If we go down he will leave whether he is injured or not.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 22, 2019, 08:18:15 AM
Not too bad, Soccer? One of our best players out for four months, what are you smoking pal
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Roysmert on December 22, 2019, 10:52:23 AM
April apparently.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: manic-road on December 22, 2019, 10:57:23 AM
April apparently.

According to the club or someone's comment on Twitter?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on December 22, 2019, 12:47:17 PM
Club just confirmed he’s broken his ankle
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on December 22, 2019, 12:47:20 PM
Fractured ankle. Thats his season done I'd have thought.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 22, 2019, 12:52:55 PM
From your mate, Vinnie?

Not from my usual. Done his ankle. 4 months ish he reckons

Now confirmed by club
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: David_Nab on December 22, 2019, 12:57:07 PM
3 months out according to John Percy /Telegraph
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on December 22, 2019, 01:03:02 PM
Fracture out until April and club to potentially look at that position in January window
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 22, 2019, 01:05:53 PM
Merry Christmas.

I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.

I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on December 22, 2019, 01:08:10 PM
Fuck. Time for the owners to dig deep in January. Both Luiz and Nakamba haven’t shown they are good enough at this level, and our midfield has pretty much struggled all season even with SJM and Jack. We needed to sign one midfielder anyway so this injury news confirms that we need two...plus another centre back, centre forward and a winger. We’re as good as down if we don’t strengthen properly in these areas.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 22, 2019, 01:10:28 PM
Jack HAS to be back centrally now (10) Change formation to a 4231
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 22, 2019, 01:10:51 PM
Whilst the injury is nothing to do with the one he was carrying, I feel his condition has been very badly handled and he really shouldn’t have been on the field to pick up this up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on December 22, 2019, 01:17:44 PM
Jack HAS to be back centrally now (10) Change formation to a 4231
442 diamond or 4312 for me with Jack playing centrally behind the front 2. Neither wingers are working, Wes never gets on the end of crosses and we need to tighten up at the back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 22, 2019, 01:26:33 PM
Merry Christmas.

I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.

I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.

For me it doesn't matter that the injury is unrelated to whatever he was carrying, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place and many people said it before the game. If amateur spectators can spot when an important player desperately needs a rest, the minimum we can ask from a manager is that he realise that also, and act upon it.

I'm as angry about this as the result, tbh, and I'm done with Smith now. He'd have to work a miracle to win back my trust.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on December 22, 2019, 01:36:57 PM
Merry Christmas.

I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.

I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.

I’m feeling less generous. Playing a player like him when they are injured and below par leads to  frustration, rash judgment and risk of compensation injuries. Whether they were directly linked or not we’ve still risked and (possibly) ruined our prize asset for the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 22, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
Merry Christmas.

I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.

I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.

For me it doesn't matter that the injury is unrelated to whatever he was carrying, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place and many people said it before the game. If amateur spectators can spot when an important player desperately needs a rest, the minimum we can ask from a manager is that he realise that also, and act upon it.

I'm as angry about this as the result, tbh, and I'm done with Smith now. He'd have to work a miracle to win back my trust.

Don’t agree.
It’s too easy to lump everything Deano’s way because that’s how it’s inevitably going now. It was just an unfortunate injury from a challenge for the ball.
It’s just a momentum thing now and this site will be full of people baying for blood.
It’s a shame because I believe Smith deserves more time but I accept that I’m in the minority now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 22, 2019, 01:41:38 PM
Merry Christmas.

I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.

I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.

For me it doesn't matter that the injury is unrelated to whatever he was carrying, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place and many people said it before the game. If amateur spectators can spot when an important player desperately needs a rest, the minimum we can ask from a manager is that he realise that also, and act upon it.

I'm as angry about this as the result, tbh, and I'm done with Smith now. He'd have to work a miracle to win back my trust.

Don’t agree.
It’s too easy to lump everything Deano’s way because that’s how it’s inevitably going now. It was just an unfortunate injury from a challenge for the ball.
It’s just a momentum thing now and this site will be full of people baying for blood.
It’s a shame because I believe Smith deserves more time but I accept that I’m in the minority now.


So you think Smith was right to start McGinn?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wolfman999 on December 22, 2019, 01:43:16 PM
Since Kodja broke his ankle, he has never been the same player since. Let's hope this doesn't repeat itself.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on December 22, 2019, 01:59:39 PM
Whilst the injury is nothing to do with the one he was carrying, I feel his condition has been very badly handled and he really shouldn’t have been on the field to pick up this up.

I'd agree, sometimes though it's just smallest margins. If the ref had just given the fucking obvious free kick, that may never have happened.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 22, 2019, 02:03:23 PM
it was a silly A silly challenge.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 22, 2019, 02:13:34 PM
Whilst the injury is nothing to do with the one he was carrying, I feel his condition has been very badly handled and he really shouldn’t have been on the field to pick up this up.

I'd agree, sometimes though it's just smallest margins. If the ref had just given the fucking obvious free kick, that may never have happened.

Agree. We should sue that twat for reparations.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on December 22, 2019, 02:45:29 PM
That's bad news for us I know he was playing with an injury and was off form but we need others to step up now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on December 22, 2019, 03:08:25 PM
Merry Christmas.

I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.

I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.

For me it doesn't matter that the injury is unrelated to whatever he was carrying, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place and many people said it before the game. If amateur spectators can spot when an important player desperately needs a rest, the minimum we can ask from a manager is that he realise that also, and act upon it.

I'm as angry about this as the result, tbh, and I'm done with Smith now. He'd have to work a miracle to win back my trust.

Don’t agree.
It’s too easy to lump everything Deano’s way because that’s how it’s inevitably going now. It was just an unfortunate injury from a challenge for the ball.
It’s just a momentum thing now and this site will be full of people baying for blood.
It’s a shame because I believe Smith deserves more time but I accept that I’m in the minority now.


Not necessarily in the minority. "Smith out" is just noisier . H and V isn't necessarily reflective of the Villa support as a whole.
FWIW I agree with you.
How many people on here, WITHOUT the 20:20 hindsight, wanted McGinn left out yesterday? Where were the posts on the pre-match thread to that effect?

Blaming Smith for McGinn's injury is like blaming Bernard Matthews for your turkey being overcooked.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on December 22, 2019, 03:13:34 PM
Merry Christmas.

I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.

I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.

For me it doesn't matter that the injury is unrelated to whatever he was carrying, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place and many people said it before the game. If amateur spectators can spot when an important player desperately needs a rest, the minimum we can ask from a manager is that he realise that also, and act upon it.

I'm as angry about this as the result, tbh, and I'm done with Smith now. He'd have to work a miracle to win back my trust.

Don’t agree.
It’s too easy to lump everything Deano’s way because that’s how it’s inevitably going now. It was just an unfortunate injury from a challenge for the ball.
It’s just a momentum thing now and this site will be full of people baying for blood.
It’s a shame because I believe Smith deserves more time but I accept that I’m in the minority now.


Not necessarily in the minority. "Smith out" is just noisier . H and V isn't necessarily reflective of the Villa support as a whole.
FWIW I agree with you.
How many people on here, WITHOUT the 20:20 hindsight, wanted McGinn left out yesterday? Where were the posts on the pre-match thread to that effect?

Blaming Smith for McGinn's injury is like blaming Bernard Matthews for your turkey being overcooked.

Well I did for a start. It just would have been a sensible thing to do seeing as he's been having injections to play.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on December 22, 2019, 03:14:35 PM
Jack HAS to be back centrally now (10) Change formation to a 4231
442 diamond or 4312 for me with Jack playing centrally behind the front 2. Neither wingers are working, Wes never gets on the end of crosses and we need to tighten up at the back.

I completely agree. It can revert to two holding out of possession to give the defence and full backs extra cover too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on December 22, 2019, 03:30:37 PM
3 months out according to John Percy /Telegraph

Let’s hope we are still in with a hope of staying up when he returns
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 22, 2019, 03:36:09 PM
How many people on here, WITHOUT the 20:20 hindsight, wanted McGinn left out yesterday? Where were the posts on the pre-match thread to that effect?
To be fair, people have been saying he should have been rested weeks ago.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on December 22, 2019, 04:27:38 PM
Very unfortunate for McGinn and Villa, but that was a challenge that he didn't need to make. He seemed riled up by not getting a foul moments earlier.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 22, 2019, 04:39:04 PM
Very unfortunate for McGinn and Villa, but that was a challenge that he didn't need to make. He seemed riled up by not getting a foul moments earlier.

Sadly, that's exactly what I thought the instant he made the challenge.  He'll be missed though, for sure.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2019, 04:56:45 PM
Was expecting it to be much worse, possibly an ACL and out for 6-8 months. Similar injury to what Okore got all those years back.

Good it's possible he'll still be able to play a part in the run in but important we don't hype him up to be a saviour when he returns, probably won't fully get back up to speed until August in any case.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 22, 2019, 05:37:49 PM
How many people on here, WITHOUT the 20:20 hindsight, wanted McGinn left out yesterday? Where were the posts on the pre-match thread to that effect?
To be fair, people have been saying he should have been rested weeks ago.

Yes. It's not hindsight at all. Go back a few pages in this very thread, 'itmustbe'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 22, 2019, 05:39:18 PM
Not necessarily in the minority. "Smith out" is just noisier . H and V isn't necessarily reflective of the Villa support as a whole.
FWIW I agree with you.
How many people on here, WITHOUT the 20:20 hindsight, wanted McGinn left out yesterday? Where were the posts on the pre-match thread to that effect?

Blaming Smith for McGinn's injury is like blaming Bernard Matthews for your turkey being overcooked.

That logic doesn't even nearly follow. Stupid analogy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on December 22, 2019, 06:02:07 PM
I didn’t want him rested he’s one of our best players, even when not and firing on all cylinders.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 22, 2019, 08:16:01 PM
a few months ago I'd have been devastated by this injury - but at the moment I'm not, and I really don't know why.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on December 22, 2019, 08:20:06 PM
Kind of know what you mean. Of all our players, he looked to have taken to the prem most quickly and effectively and by his own standards has been disappointing since September. Hard to know of it’s injury related or our failure to get the best out of him. Suspect the latter has played a part when you look at his form for Scotland.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 22, 2019, 08:22:02 PM
I don’t think 4 3 3 is getting the best out of him,
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Luke8 on December 22, 2019, 08:25:39 PM
I don’t think 4 3 3 is getting the best out of him,

It’s not really getting the best out of many of our players at the moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on December 22, 2019, 08:34:08 PM
Considering we had the luxury of getting promoted with two players who were immediately talked up as 50m + targets for manu, we’ve done quite well to play them both out of position and reduce their threat to the opposition.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 22, 2019, 09:00:30 PM
Considering we had the luxury of getting promoted with two players who were immediately talked up as 50m + targets for manu, we’ve done quite well to play them both out of position and reduce their threat to the opposition.

Ha ha,🤣, that’s good but so sad at the same time
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2020, 11:16:07 PM
DS saying SJM has a chance of making the final at Wembley. A quick healer which is good news....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2020, 11:44:11 PM
Fuck, I hope so.  The two week break is handy.  We sooo need him back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Could be massive if he's back early March. If we stick with the current 3 at the back, I could see him and Jack playing in front of Marvelous with 2 strikers at home.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 01, 2020, 12:32:47 AM
And another benefit of getting to Wembley means the Sheffield Utd game gets pushed back giving us more time to get McGinn back for a crucial match.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2020, 02:38:58 AM
Isn't it just as likely to be moved to the midweek before the final? It can't be the midweek after as Sheffield Utd have an FA Cup game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on February 01, 2020, 05:46:31 AM
Isn't it just as likely to be moved to the midweek before the final? It can't be the midweek after as Sheffield Utd have an FA Cup game.
We’d not accept that surely?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on February 01, 2020, 11:45:22 AM
Boot now off. Come on Meatball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on February 01, 2020, 02:39:45 PM
Wow, this would give us an absolutely massive boost.

Come on SJM!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2020, 03:00:03 PM
Isn't it just as likely to be moved to the midweek before the final? It can't be the midweek after as Sheffield Utd have an FA Cup game.
We’d not accept that surely?

Why? Game has to be played sometime. May as well be played before the League Cup Final as before a vital league game. Plus Man City have Real Madrid on the Wednesday so us playing midweek wouldn't be the worst thing ever, especially if it was on the Tuesday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard on February 01, 2020, 05:52:26 PM
It's a vital game as well though cd so personally I would try and play it before the Liverpool fixture.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 01, 2020, 05:59:11 PM
Apparently you can't play prem games on CL nights any longer otherwise FA gets fined which is completely ridiculous rule so that limits the window given FA cup is midweek now.

Perhaps in April sometime. I read if Man. United make semi final of FA cup that will get moved to a midweek so perhaps if Sheffield United are out of the cup by then we could slot that fixture in whatever weekend it is.

Otherwise playing it just after Palace at home could be the best bet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2020, 06:14:59 PM
Get back soon John, and when you do play like you did for the first couple of months of the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nastylee on February 02, 2020, 10:04:17 AM
Could be huge. We miss his drive.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 02, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
Does anybody who knows this sort of stuff have any idea of the likley timescale for him returning now his boot is off?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2020, 10:32:47 AM
6 weeks at best plus match fitness.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 02, 2020, 10:42:21 AM
6 weeks at best plus match fitness.
After the boot?  Ah, shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2020, 10:58:42 AM
When he comes back be fucking huge for us
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on February 02, 2020, 11:28:08 AM
If he's played in his correct position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
My wholly uneducated guess is that he'll be back sometime mid-April around the time of the Liverpool and Man U games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2020, 05:25:54 PM
My wholly uneducated guess is that he'll be back sometime mid-April around the time of the Liverpool and Man U games.

Yeah, 2021 knowing our luck.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ugo on February 03, 2020, 06:55:02 PM
He was singing autographs/posing for selfies/speaking to Villa fans friends on the phone for a long, long time just in front of the Digbeth Dining section before last Tuesday’s semi. He happily posed for a selfie with my 9 year old, proudly wearing her Villa shirt.

A genuinely all round nice guy.

He said “a couple of months” before he is back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 08:07:23 PM
My wholly uneducated guess is that he'll be back sometime mid-April around the time of the Liverpool and Man U games.

Yeah, 2021 knowing our luck.

That would mean we'd stayed up, no disrespect to SJM but I'll take that kind of luck! ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2020, 10:51:46 PM
He was singing autographs/posing for selfies/speaking to Villa fans friends on the phone for a long, long time just in front of the Digbeth Dining section before last Tuesday’s semi. He happily posed for a selfie with my 9 year old, proudly wearing her Villa shirt.

A genuinely all round nice guy.

He said “a couple of months” before he is back.

Does he have a good voice and what was his preferred choice of song?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2020, 11:45:12 PM
I know he's quite little but, even so, surprised a nine year old girl's shirt fits him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ugo on February 04, 2020, 07:28:04 AM
I know he's quite little but, even so, surprised a nine year old girl's shirt fits him.
Ha, quite. She wasn’t a million miles of his height at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on February 11, 2020, 09:43:45 AM
Daily Mail are saying Villa hope he'll be fit for the Newcastle game on 21 March.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 11, 2020, 10:35:36 AM
Daily Mail are saying Villa hope he'll be fit for the Newcastle game on 21 March.

Man getting him back could be difference to staying up.  Hurry back big john!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villan82 on February 11, 2020, 10:43:56 AM
That would be massive for us
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on February 11, 2020, 12:43:20 PM
30 yard screamer against the Jawdee slack jaws inbound.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on February 11, 2020, 03:10:06 PM
Daily Mail are saying Villa hope he'll be fit for the Newcastle game on 21 March.

Man getting him back could be difference to staying up.  Hurry back big john!

agree with you
I reckon if he hadn’t got injured we might have 2/3 more points on the board that’s how important he is to us
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 11, 2020, 04:16:09 PM
we could win 3 of the 8 games with SJM  , lets try and get an extra 6 pts on the board before the magpies game . . Its still possible we can do this .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 11, 2020, 04:31:22 PM
we could win 3 of the 8 games with SJM  , lets try and get an extra 6 pts on the board before the magpies game . . Its still possible we can do this .

Why say "It's still possible" like it's some Herculean task when we're not even in the bottom three?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 11, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
we could win 3 of the 8 games with SJM  , lets try and get an extra 6 pts on the board before the magpies game . . Its still possible we can do this .

Why say "It's still possible" like it's some Herculean task when we're not even in the bottom three?

Yep
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on February 12, 2020, 07:59:06 AM
we could win 3 of the 8 games with SJM  , lets try and get an extra 6 pts on the board before the magpies game . . Its still possible we can do this .

Why say "It's still possible" like it's some Herculean task when we're not even in the bottom three?
only by 1 point though we’re not in the bottom 3.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 12, 2020, 11:06:27 AM
we could win 3 of the 8 games with SJM  , lets try and get an extra 6 pts on the board before the magpies game . . Its still possible we can do this .

Why say "It's still possible" like it's some Herculean task when we're not even in the bottom three?
only by 1 point though we’re not in the bottom 3.

Then that would mean those currently in the bottom 3 would also have to produce form above a Herculean task, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on February 12, 2020, 12:08:18 PM
We're in a 5-team mini league and we just have to get one of the spots in the top 3 of that mini league. Hardly Herculean.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 12, 2020, 01:18:15 PM
We're in a 5-team mini league and we just have to get one of the spots in the top 3 of that mini league. Hardly Herculean.
I'm confused - if 3rd out of the 5 in this mini league is that not 3rd from bottom and relegation?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2020, 01:22:37 PM
We're in a 5-team mini league and we just have to get one of the spots in the top 3 of that mini league. Hardly Herculean.
I'm confused - if 3rd out of the 5 in this mini league is that not 3rd from bottom and relegation?
I'm guessing Norwich aren't in the mini league?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 12, 2020, 01:25:06 PM
Thats what I think. Norwich are as good as gone
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 12, 2020, 01:28:10 PM
Ah - makes better sense now
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ugo on February 13, 2020, 09:39:30 PM
Dean Smith saying McGinn “would”  love to be back for the Cup Final and he is running on grass with no pain but also said he “would” love to be back for all big games.

Sky Sports News presenting it as McGinn “could” be back for the Cup Final.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on February 13, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Settle for him missing  the Newcastle game and scoring the winner in the League Cup Final.

Deal?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on February 13, 2020, 10:13:40 PM
Dean Smith saying McGinn “would”  love to be back for the Cup Final and he is running on grass with no pain but also said he “would” love to be back for all big games.

Sky Sports News presenting it as McGinn “could” be back for the Cup Final.
To be fair, Smith didn’t say he is running on grass.
He said he is running on the ‘g machine’ and could soon be out on the grass.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on February 14, 2020, 12:25:14 PM
I can't wait until he's back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 14, 2020, 12:26:00 PM
Dean Smith saying McGinn “would”  love to be back for the Cup Final and he is running on grass with no pain but also said he “would” love to be back for all big games.

Sky Sports News presenting it as McGinn “could” be back for the Cup Final.
To be fair, Smith didn’t say he is running on grass.
He said he is running on the ‘g machine’ and could soon be out on the grass.

Isn't that what astronauts use? The centrifugal force gravity thingy?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 14, 2020, 06:07:00 PM
Dean Smith saying McGinn “would”  love to be back for the Cup Final and he is running on grass with no pain but also said he “would” love to be back for all big games.

Sky Sports News presenting it as McGinn “could” be back for the Cup Final.
To be fair, Smith didn’t say he is running on grass.
He said he is running on the ‘g machine’ and could soon be out on the grass.

Isn't that what astronauts use? The centrifugal force gravity thingy?

On his day SJM is out of this world !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on February 15, 2020, 05:16:01 PM
Only caught the very end of it, The Duke of Cambridge was interviewing John McGinn on Sky.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: manic-road on February 15, 2020, 06:48:42 PM
Only caught the very end of it, The Duke of Cambridge was interviewing John McGinn on Sky.

Yes the prince was declaring his undying love for Tyrone during the interview from John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JJ-AV on February 20, 2020, 08:26:58 AM
Does anyone think we'll go back to 4 at the back when McGinn returns?

I do like the 3-4-3 system but McGinn and Luiz are are two best CMs and I think a third-man (Nakamba or Conor) would suit them better and allow them to break forward.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: walsall villain on February 20, 2020, 08:38:40 AM
Does anyone think we'll go back to 4 at the back when McGinn returns?

I do like the 3-4-3 system but McGinn and Luiz are are two best CMs and I think a third-man (Nakamba or Conor) would suit them better and allow them to break forward.
I think we may well and I think it would be a good thing if he can get back to his best quickly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 20, 2020, 10:14:26 AM
Xmas has come early cant wait for super john mcginn to come back. He will obviously need games so we need to eb patient with him and not expect a lot straight away

Will also help grealish as we wont have ti rely so heavily in him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lizz on February 20, 2020, 10:29:33 PM
Only caught the very end of it, The Duke of Cambridge was interviewing John McGinn on Sky.

Yes the prince was declaring his undying love for Tyrone during the interview from John.

Just seen it on Twitter.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on February 22, 2020, 11:43:48 AM
McGinn with his boots back on and running full weight. Boom!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on February 22, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
Wonder if he'll be involved for the final, I can see him getting a spot on the bench if the week goes well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 22, 2020, 12:24:06 PM
Can see him being back for the Chelsea game, another three weeks away.

Important not to put too much expectation on him although he will probably pop up with a key goal in the run in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 22, 2020, 02:44:08 PM
Wonder if he'll be involved for the final, I can see him getting a spot on the bench if the week goes well.

I hope not.  Use the two weeks to get his fitness up and make sure he's not rushed back.  Even with McGinn, I think Man City will have too much for us, and I'd hate him to have a setback and miss league games.  He could be the difference between staying up and going down.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Luke8 on February 23, 2020, 12:20:13 AM
Does anyone think we'll go back to 4 at the back when McGinn returns?

I do like the 3-4-3 system but McGinn and Luiz are are two best CMs and I think a third-man (Nakamba or Conor) would suit them better and allow them to break forward.

Based on the performance of our midfield recently, I reckon as soon as John can stand on one leg he will be back in the middle with another two alongside him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 23, 2020, 12:22:36 AM
Teams were running through our midfield when SJM was playing, he will help the team but he is not The panacea
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 23, 2020, 08:39:46 PM
As massively fucked off as I am the thought of McGinn’s return to a dreadful midfield, akin to signing a £50m player in March fills me with a bit of optimism that it will be enough to see us through. I realize other clubs may also have players returning from injury but how many represent to the club, his fellow players and the fans what McGinn does to us? Not many I would guess. Two months of a recharged McGinn will be just what we need.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 23, 2020, 08:48:27 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 23, 2020, 08:51:42 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.

Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well I’ve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard E on February 23, 2020, 08:53:07 PM
No pressure at all, John, mate. We just need you to come back from a lengthy lay off and single handedly save our season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brassneck on February 23, 2020, 08:56:36 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.

This for me as well.  The 2 wing backs need to cover the entire width.

I also think you should play to your strengths.  For me, this is to start Jack in his best position and build the team around it.  Invairiably this would mean him cutting in from the left but it also frees him to get involved if we're coming down the right.

On Saturdsy, I looked at our right hand side and wondered why Southampton bothered defending when we got the ball ther - It was noticeably less serious than when we attacked down the left with Jack.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 23, 2020, 09:49:23 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.

If I could bring in two players from days gone by to beef up our team it would be Milner and Young. Wide players who could provide a decent service but who worked like trojans when out of possession. A big contrast to our current wide men.

Interestingly on the interminable bus journey after the game we were chatting to a lovely Southampton fan and his son. They were amazed at how shit we were, but thought Samatta “showed promise” and Trezeguet was the only one who looked dangerous in the 2nd half. They reckoned he was robbed on one occasion when going past the left sided defender (Stevens?) he was clearly pulled back for what should have been a yellow and the ref waved play on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on February 23, 2020, 11:00:58 PM
His form was a worry before he got injured and I put that down to the fact he was playing a more defensive role when he is more valuable further forward, thought Smith was to blame for that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: David_Nab on February 23, 2020, 11:10:33 PM
His form was a worry before he got injured and I put that down to the fact he was playing a more defensive role when he is more valuable further forward, thought Smith was to blame for that.

Was carrying an injury as well
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on February 23, 2020, 11:19:14 PM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 08:49:23 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard on February 24, 2020, 08:58:11 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen

Who's your other player in this system mate ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Taylor on February 24, 2020, 09:12:50 AM
I noticed that Gomez came on for Everton yesterday. Didn’t he get a similar (or even worse) injury than SJM? Sky said that he got injured in mid November. By my reckoning Mcginn should be back a month later.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on February 24, 2020, 09:24:31 AM
My guess is that SJM might make the bench at Leicester then be ready to start vs Chelsea.

It was pretty incredible last season how Jack hit the ground running after a long lay off, with no requirement for him to be ‘eased in’. We pretty much need John to do the same.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 09:54:37 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen

Who's your other player in this system mate ?


Id maybe consider hourihane or lansbury. Both have given much less game time than trez and AEG.  Both tend to perform better as subs.

If davis was fight id start him onbthe shoulder. I mean other ootion is play 4-4-2. If baston is cup tied give vassilev a go. He looked very good on his fww appearances he made.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 24, 2020, 09:59:59 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
And no width whatsoever?  Interesting idea.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 10:21:50 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
And no width whatsoever?  Interesting idea.


So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 24, 2020, 10:36:12 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
And no width whatsoever?  Interesting idea.


So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
That's hardly a defence of an unworkable formation.  At least with 3 at the back there's more chance for the fullbacks to get forward and provide some width.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 11:09:21 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
And no width whatsoever?  Interesting idea.


So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
That's hardly a defence of an unworkable formation.  At least with 3 at the back there's more chance for the fullbacks to get forward and provide some width.

Width is over rated.   Conor can drift in and out on the left as well. Targett and guikbert like to get forward so you have width.

Our width is absolutely non existent anyway
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on February 24, 2020, 11:23:30 AM
Its interesting that in a post about McGinn you talk about us having no width, yet 2 of his 3 goals this season have come directly from width.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 24, 2020, 11:29:32 AM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.

Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well I’ve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.

Apart from scoring the goal that got us to the League Cup Final and the goal that gave us the lead against Liverpool.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 24, 2020, 11:37:23 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.

He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.

We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.

Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.

Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
And no width whatsoever?  Interesting idea.


So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
That's hardly a defence of an unworkable formation.  At least with 3 at the back there's more chance for the fullbacks to get forward and provide some width.
Yep. 3 at the back is supposed to work on the basis of highly- energetic wingbacks providing the width whilst the 3 in the middle compact the centre of the park.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 24, 2020, 12:48:26 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.

Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well I’ve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.

Apart from scoring the goal that got us to the League Cup Final and the goal that gave us the lead against Liverpool.

Slim pickings though really.  He's been hugely disappointing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 24, 2020, 01:00:37 PM
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 24, 2020, 01:04:28 PM
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.
He does.  But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 24, 2020, 01:55:20 PM
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.
He does.  But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.

I know but when you have the most fouled player in the league, it would be useful to have someone that can make that pay.

It's things like that that will be the difference between going down and staying up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Luke8 on February 24, 2020, 02:14:04 PM
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.
He does.  But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.

I know but when you have the most fouled player in the league, it would be useful to have someone that can make that pay.

It's things like that that will be the difference between going down and staying up.

I think that would require a change back to three central midfielders though. I don’t think Hourihane gets around the pitch enough and games bypass him too much to play as one of two midfielders.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 02:24:17 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.

Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well I’ve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.

Apart from scoring the goal that got us to the League Cup Final and the goal that gave us the lead against Liverpool.


Name 5 other games where has been brilliant for us? Or even name 3 games where was excellent for the whole game? He has been a terriblw signing for me. The goals dont hide the fact he has been a massive disappointment
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 24, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
The idea that you need 3 at the back to have attacking full backs, Or full backs providing width is bollocks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 24, 2020, 02:39:16 PM
The idea that you need 3 at the back to have attacking full backs.
No - of course you don't need to have 3 at the back to have attacking full backs; you can play a back four and have attacking fullbacks, as long as someone in midfield or wide is covering for them when they are on the rampage down the wing. Earlier in the season, we found that AEG and - to a much larger extent - Trez were not covering very well.

The idea that you need 3 at the back to have full backs providing width is bollocks.
The point is that if you have 3 at the back it gives more scope for attacking fullbacks; which means that it is more sensible to play 3 in the middle.

Liverpool do it very well, with AA and Robertson. SheffU do it pretty well with Baldock and our very own Enda Stevens.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 24, 2020, 02:42:34 PM
I think we agree Mr E and as you and many others keep pointing out, it’s not where the problem is and week after week our midfield is an open invitation to attack our defense.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 24, 2020, 03:31:20 PM
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.
He does.  But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.

I know but when you have the most fouled player in the league, it would be useful to have someone that can make that pay.

It's things like that that will be the difference between going down and staying up.

I think that would require a change back to three central midfielders though. I don’t think Hourihane gets around the pitch enough and games bypass him too much to play as one of two midfielders.

I agree, and I think we need to do it as having a back three at present is not making us tight. We may as well carry Hourihane just to have him there for for set piece/edge of box threat than another defender.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 02, 2020, 10:34:38 PM
John Percy saying that he's looking at Newcastle on 21st March for his return. I'd copy it here but it's behind their paywall.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/03/02/aston-villas-survival-fight-handed-boost-john-mcginn-targets/
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 02, 2020, 10:39:56 PM
I was hoping he'd be ready for the home game against Chelsea. I have visions of Villa Park going crazy on his return. What a reception he'll get! I guess it will have to be Wolves at home. They won't know where to hide.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on March 06, 2020, 06:25:53 PM
Back in full training by the looks of it. Nope, correction, not in full contact yet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2020, 09:52:49 PM
Back in full training by the looks of it. Nope, correction, not in full contact yet.

They need to make sure the rest of the squad are ready first.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 06, 2020, 11:05:01 PM
John Percy saying that he's looking at Newcastle on 21st March for his return. I'd copy it here but it's behind their paywall.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/03/02/aston-villas-survival-fight-handed-boost-john-mcginn-targets/

Game cancelled so Wolves it is.

Fancy him to get the winner v Man. United in the run in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kieron on March 06, 2020, 11:34:41 PM
I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:

Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 07, 2020, 12:51:21 AM
I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:

Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?

Nobody can know for definite, but we've been desperate for energy, drive and goal-threat in his absence. Like Grealish and Mings, he's become fundamental to our play. Him just being on the pitch will make a big difference to us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 07, 2020, 01:04:17 AM
I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:

Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?

Well, if you whitewash his last 9 or 10 pre-injury performances (which were mostly dire) and conveniently act like he wasn't playing when we lost to 10-man Arsenal, as well as factoring in a little extra delusional logic that he's somehow going to be a completely different player after a long absence out, then yes, he's going to save us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 07, 2020, 01:45:24 AM
If Smith deploys him the same way, then no, he is not going to save us.
He will add some energy to the midfield for sure but that is not enough.
To have him available off the bench will be a boost.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KevinGage on March 07, 2020, 02:15:35 AM
I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:

Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?

Another way to look at it:

A fit again McGinn means no Drinkwater.

Not carrying that doofus must boost our survival hopes exponentially.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 07, 2020, 02:55:51 AM
I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:

Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?

Another way to look at it:

A fit again McGinn means no Drinkwater.

Not carrying that doofus must boost our survival hopes exponentially.
I think he will play Drinkwater unless he has Gironde back on the piss.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on March 07, 2020, 07:17:43 AM
I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:

Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?

Another way to look at it:

A fit again McGinn means no Drinkwater.

Not carrying that doofus must boost our survival hopes exponentially.
I think he will play Drinkwater unless he has Gironde back on the piss.

I hate that estuary accent.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JJ-AV on March 07, 2020, 07:32:27 AM
I think we've still got enough to get out of it. Relies on McGinn being fit and Mings, Grealish and Samatta staying fit mind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2020, 07:41:27 AM
I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:

Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?

Another way to look at it:

A fit again McGinn means no Drinkwater.

Not carrying that doofus must boost our survival hopes exponentially.
I think he will play Drinkwater unless he has Gironde back on the piss.

I hate that estuary accent.
At least it's claret
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on March 07, 2020, 07:50:56 AM
McGinn is an excellent player. Due to his style, he appears to suffer a bit of burn out. He is generally always excellent, but for a time limited period. By December he was fading out early in games and his contribution decreasing. He needed a spell out the side, although sadly not like this.

He came back and had a huge impact from his brief absence last season. Had an impact at the Sty, brilliant at Forest and on from there.

He seems to be straining at his lead to get back to it. It may take a bit of time to get back to the pace for 90 minutes, but there's no question that his return will improve us.

No individual is going to save us, it's a collective effort. A work rate like Sunday, a belief in adversity not to become brittle, defend solidly and protect the goal to a handful of chances even against the very best. A player as good as McGinn will only help.

Only the most dour and po faced assessment of his return would deny the benefits of McGinn (who?) Super John McGinn and his passing, running and Gareth Barry backsides likely impact on us.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 07, 2020, 11:48:00 AM
He’s also got the personality to demand the ball and affect the games whereas most the other look to pass the ball and burden on to Grealish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 07, 2020, 12:00:16 PM
For most of the season I actually think he's been asked to do too much.

If yo remember at the start when he was playing well we had one of Luiz/Nakamba as the DM, McGinn as box to box, Jack as number 10 and also played two wide players.

Left far too much ground to cover. I'd be interested to see how he goes playing ahead of two central midfielders.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 07, 2020, 12:09:34 PM
For most of the season I actually think he's been asked to do too much.

If yo remember at the start when he was playing well we had one of Luiz/Nakamba as the DM, McGinn as box to box, Jack as number 10 and also played two wide players.

Left far too much ground to cover. I'd be interested to see how he goes playing ahead of two central midfielders.
completely agree.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 07, 2020, 12:34:07 PM
I think when he's back I'd go

GK
Gilbert Engels Mings Targett
Nakamba Luiz
El Ghazi McGinn Jack
Samatta

If El Ghazi reverts to massive fanny mode, stick Elmo in instead.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 07, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
I'd go with:

McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
Grealish
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 07, 2020, 01:40:01 PM
I'd go with:

McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
Grealish
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn

How ridiculous. You haven't named him as sub.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on March 07, 2020, 01:41:11 PM
I think when he's back I'd go

GK
Gilbert Engels Mings Targett
Nakamba Luiz
El Ghazi McGinn Jack
Samatta

If El Ghazi reverts to massive fanny mode, stick Elmo in instead.

That would be my team, apart from starting Hourihane instead of Luiz - Luiz seems to offer more coming off the bench, and Hourihane’s set pieces could be vital.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on March 09, 2020, 11:07:37 PM
Crying out for McGinn in that midfield ..Smith has a dilemma now weather to bring him in for minutes v Chelsea or hold him back.
The rest of midfield is just so up and down and lacking energy and drive that it will be a super uplift whenever he comes in

Before he got injured, he was struggling with form.  Hopefully the rest has done him some good. We do need him back, even if it's just to replace the heavily over-rated Douglas Luiz and Hologram.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2020, 11:18:04 PM
Come on mate. Maybe out of sight out of mind syndrome but SJM is awesome and would improve that midfield 100%
He's a stark contrast and a level above anything currently in the squad.
And also I think his slump in form was due to the injury he sustained with Scotland and needed a break

I for one cannot wait and think he can be a saviour
My lordy we need something !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on March 10, 2020, 05:36:40 PM
No pressue John

We just need you to come back at 100%, playe every minute of the last 10 games, single handedly turn the recent shit show into a winning team and keep us up.  Then persuade your mate Jack to sign a new 5 year contract.

Sort this and we'll buy you some chips.

Cheers mate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on March 10, 2020, 07:18:59 PM
He needs to come back and have the same impact Jack had on the last 10 games of last season. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on March 10, 2020, 10:18:25 PM
He needs to come back and have the same impact Jack had on the last 10 games of last season.

Spooky timing
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Small Rodent on March 11, 2020, 12:30:01 PM
McGinn is the player I'd be hugely angry to see leave post-relegation. It is so rare we buy someone at a low price who has such quality and becomes a hero so quickly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 07:34:11 PM
Back in full training.

(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p960x960/89263422_3090893774288004_2194706972333309952_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=-VBZFRHbtmsAX87O8Uf&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=a4ab4fb41680bd8f1d9d01f4df1afbe5&oe=5E8F7043)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on March 12, 2020, 07:38:01 PM
Legs like tree trunks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2020, 07:38:35 PM
The saviour.

Wishful thinking.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on March 12, 2020, 09:22:11 PM
I'm hoping the season is suspended until Heaton returns too.........
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 09:43:51 PM
Quads of fury.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 12, 2020, 11:38:54 PM
Back in full training.

(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p960x960/89263422_3090893774288004_2194706972333309952_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=-VBZFRHbtmsAX87O8Uf&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=a4ab4fb41680bd8f1d9d01f4df1afbe5&oe=5E8F7043)

I've bloody missed that little guy 🥰
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2020, 04:24:02 AM
A twelve month pre- season will get him bang on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 13, 2020, 11:16:22 AM
Take your time, John. No rush.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on March 13, 2020, 11:22:49 AM
With the league suspended, at least we know he'll come back fully fit for the last 10 games!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mallo on March 13, 2020, 11:23:04 AM
Good old meatball - save us!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 13, 2020, 11:27:52 AM
Didn't Dean mention having a game at BH to help John get some match practice? I doubt this will go ahead now unless it's against our U23s.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on March 13, 2020, 11:35:04 AM
Something good always comes out of bad😊
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: postal on March 13, 2020, 11:46:42 AM
Something good always comes out of bad😊

Do you mean the postponement of games? If so, it will help him get ready for when the games get back on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: manic-road on March 13, 2020, 12:00:31 PM
With the league suspended, at least we know he'll come back fully fit for the last 10 games!

As long as Drinkwater doesn't lay the nut on him and puts him out again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on March 18, 2020, 09:10:18 AM
Something good always comes out of bad😊

Is that from a song?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on March 31, 2020, 08:21:48 AM
https://www.footballerswithtits.com/products/john-mcginn-with-tits

Don't ask. I just stumbled across it at r/AVFC on reddit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on April 28, 2020, 10:35:40 AM
???!!!??

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mcginn-nufc-takeover-aston-villa-18135652
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wolfman999 on April 28, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
???!!!??

https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mcginn-nufc-takeover-aston-villa-18135652

Exactly what I thought when trying to open this link.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 28, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Just our friendly local newspaper being supportive as usual. Don't bother searching for it, don't give the twats the click they don't deserve. I'd be happy if we refused to allow them access to the stadium when we get up and running again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2020, 12:10:10 PM
Just our friendly local newspaper being supportive as usual. Don't bother searching for it, don't give the twats the click they don't deserve. I'd be happy if we refused to allow them access to the stadium when we get up and running again.

Too right, sort your sorry arse click bait bullshit out before you're treated to the kind of access given to genuine news outlets.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2020, 12:17:13 PM
Just our friendly local newspaper being supportive as usual. Don't bother searching for it, don't give the twats the click they don't deserve. I'd be happy if we refused to allow them access to the stadium when we get up and running again.

Too right, sort your sorry arse click bait bullshit out before you're treated to the kind of access given to genuine news outlets.

Thirded.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 11, 2020, 09:59:14 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1259548469519409160
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 21, 2020, 01:09:47 PM
Is any truth in the rumour that fits with McGinn being the player with asthma ?!
Can we confirm he was at training
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 21, 2020, 01:59:51 PM
Is any truth in the rumour that fits with McGinn being the player with asthma ?!
Can we confirm he was at training

Probably just a ruse. Poor attitude, he should play on regardless.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: nigel on May 21, 2020, 04:26:03 PM
???!!!??

https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mcginn-nufc-takeover-aston-villa-18135652

Exactly what I thought when trying to open this link.

I don’t know why people post a link then change it because they don’t like where it’s come from. Do they not realise that nobody can open it?
Might just as well post a blank sheet!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 21, 2020, 04:50:32 PM
???!!!??

https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mcginn-nufc-takeover-aston-villa-18135652

Exactly what I thought when trying to open this link.

I don’t know why people post a link then change it because they don’t like where it’s come from. Do they not realise that nobody can open it?
Might just as well post a blank sheet!


It's the H&V word filter in action. Birmingham Mail link, I assume.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JD on May 22, 2020, 07:00:49 AM
Is any truth in the rumour that fits with McGinn being the player with asthma ?!
Can we confirm he was at training

Probably just a ruse. Poor attitude, he should play on regardless.

Agree Drummond. Great post, made me laugh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2020, 09:47:26 AM
I always expecting some adult content .
Like one of those pornographers site where there are a lot of X's .
X rated context .
Filth.

Ah, so you're disappointed then?  ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 22, 2020, 03:28:10 PM
Nice to see players Instagram & social media posts regarding return to training, but a complete lack of anything from McGinn or anything mentioning, picturing or featuring McGinn.

Is he still not able to kick a ball or is he self isolating due to underlying health conditions?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 22, 2020, 04:46:22 PM
This is actually why those rumours about him being the player with asthma the real deal
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 22, 2020, 04:48:08 PM
I have no idea how reliable 'Rego' is, but here you go. https://twitter.com/sportbbcwm/status/1261358335934242818
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 22, 2020, 08:50:37 PM
That's good to hear ,good info cheers !
He's a local reporter isn't he so think he has some know and a villa supporter .
Super McGinni being fit is such a plus

Glad to be of service, footy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 24, 2020, 10:46:00 AM
Was just thinking today, if season kicks off again in June, will players like Heaton, McGinn and Wesley be back from injury?

Hopefully Mings and Grealish will be well rested too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on May 24, 2020, 11:43:31 AM
No Heaton or Moraes as we withdrew them from our named 25 man squad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 24, 2020, 12:47:37 PM
Wesley needs to earn his place . Not only do we have Samatta ,we have Baston now and Davies.
And whoever we sign in the summer transfer window

Similar could be said for Heaton. Don't forget steer .
Reina and Nyland  hold the gloves at the moment.

Plenty of choice now in both departments and be interesting to see who goes on
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 24, 2020, 01:04:17 PM
No Heaton or Moraes as we withdrew them from our named 25 man squad.

Which is another reason to be pissed off. The rules can be changed regarding the end of the season and player contracts, but not squad names.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
No Heaton or Moraes as we withdrew them from our named 25 man squad.

Which is another reason to be pissed off. The rules can be changed regarding the end of the season and player contracts, but not squad names.

Come on Dave, we must protect the integrity of the league as long as it doesn't get in the way of making money.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2020, 01:53:17 PM
No Heaton or Moraes as we withdrew them from our named 25 man squad.

Which is another reason to be pissed off. The rules can be changed regarding the end of the season and player contracts, but not squad names.

Yep it’s just stupid.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
What absolute nonsense. Was punish players who were unlucky enough to get injured twice?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 24, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
I thought I read somewhere that they had relaxed that rule now?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kieron on May 24, 2020, 03:15:32 PM
Yes I'd heard that too. I think they'll be allowed to be made available.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 26, 2020, 01:47:35 PM

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Finally some football news that’s brought a smile. From the Villa Official Twitter
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2020, 02:12:03 PM
Good, can put those conspiracy theories to bed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 26, 2020, 02:18:43 PM
Great news. We are a much stronger team with McGinn in midfield both in defence and attack. Pity Heaton isn't going to be fit but hopefully Smith will see sense and pick Nyland ahead of Reina when we restart.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 26, 2020, 03:30:24 PM
I think I’ve read Somewhere that even if Heaton was fit, he wouldn’t be allowed to play now, as we took him out of the 25.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2020, 05:26:49 PM
I think I’ve read Somewhere that even if Heaton was fit, he wouldn’t be allowed to play now, as we took him out of the 25.

Yep, same with Wesley.  However, whether the Premier League can insist on squad lists being adhered to given that the season as a whole should be finished now is another thing.  Another thing they'll get wrong I expect.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 26, 2020, 05:32:41 PM
This is the last I saw Of this.

Premier League set to relax rules as it aims for resumption in June
Lifting squad-size edict and 29-game completed season among options
Clubs would have six weeks to complete their remaining nine or ten fixtures under a June start
Clubs would have six weeks to complete their remaining nine or ten fixtures under a June start
STEPHEN POND/GETTY IMAGES
Jonathan Northcroft, Football correspondent
Sunday March 29 2020, 2.01am, The Sunday Times
Restrictions on Premier League squads could be lifted as part of emergency measures to help clubs finish the season.

The proposal is one of several likely to be discussed at the Premier League’s next meeting, which will be held via conference call on Friday, as owners consider ways to conclude the 2019-20 campaign.

There is acceptance that the present plan to resume after April 30 will be impossible to implement because of the pandemic and that the “best-case scenario” — in the words of one chairman — is a resumption at the start of June, leaving teams six weeks to complete their remaining nine or ten fixtures by July 16. This is regarded as a significant deadline because it is when the present season’s broadcast

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 26, 2020, 05:57:06 PM
I think I’ve read Somewhere that even if Heaton was fit, he wouldn’t be allowed to play now, as we took him out of the 25.

Yep, same with Wesley.  However, whether the Premier League can insist on squad lists being adhered to given that the season as a whole should be finished now is another thing.  Another thing they'll get wrong I expect.

It’s daft isn’t it. You can’t hold clubs to a squad decision made in January, with a view to a season finishing in May, and at the same time be allowing contracts to be extended beyond their original expiry date.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on May 28, 2020, 12:56:11 PM
Great article here - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/28/john-mcginn-we-need-to-keep-aston-villa-premier-league
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on May 28, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Grauniad
John McGinn scored the goal that secured Aston Villa’s promotion last season, then he opened their account in the Premier League and now, after recovering from a broken ankle, he says he is raring to save Villa from relegation when the season restarts.

He was due to return to action against Chelsea in March but that match was postponed when the league was paused. Since then McGinn, like everyone else, has been playing a waiting game.

“It’s coming up to six months since my last game so I’m choking to get out there,” says the Scot, whose enterprise from midfield was sorely missed by Villa after his injury against Southampton in December. The club’s problems deepened 10 days later when they lost another two influential players, Tom Heaton and Wesley, to damaged cruciate ligaments.

Although deeply frustrated at being forced to watch from the sidelines as his team slipped into the relegation zone, McGinn says his sympathy for the misfortunes of others made sure he never felt too sorry for himself even before the pain inflicted on so many by Covid-19.

“I got injured two days after the team Christmas visits to the Acorns Hospice and the Children’s Hospital,” he says. “It is something I won’t forget. It is something which brings you right back down to earth and you realise the things these families are going through. How tough it is for them. ”

Now that Premier League clubs have been given the go-ahead to resume contact training, McGinn detects “light at the end of the tunnel” and says he is looking forward to playing “as soon as it is safe to do so”. Villa sit 19th in the table but have a game in hand on everyone else in the bottom half. They face a particularly tough schedule, with most of their remaining 10 matches against the top teams.

Villa’s survival could depend on their ability to make the best of the league’s disruption, using the hiatus to do work that would not have been possible in a normal season. The task of staying up has been complicated by having to mould a team rapidly after signing more than a dozen players following promotion to the top flight.

“I thought that before the lockdown we were showing small signs of progression,” says McGinn. “It’s not easy when you sign a lot of new players. They have to adapt to the country and the lifestyle first and foremost and then try to gel as a team.”

During the lockdown Dean Smith staged regular analysis sessions with the squad over Zoom, and for the last fortnight the players have enjoyed solo attention at the training ground.

“We’ve been working on weaknesses individually that you don’t always get the chance to do,” says McGinn. “In football the pressure is obviously on results and when games are coming thick and fast you focus on the team. But during this period we’ve had to do individual work. So that’s a positive in a way but we’ve got to implement it now.

“We all know we’ve not had a great season really in the league but we still have the opportunity to finish strongly and make sure that no matter what, we keep Villa in the league.”

He knows Villa will have to get accustomed quickly to playing in eerie surrounds. “It’s going to be odd,” he says. “A lot of the lads are used to playing at a full Villa Park and other packed stadiums and thriving off the atmosphere and using that adrenaline you get as a football player.

“But nothing is going to be straightforward now, whether that’s in football or even just going to the shops. You have to queue up to get into supermarkets. None of it is ideal but we all just have to try and adapt as best as we can. We’re no different. In an ideal world we would love to have the support of our fans and the supporters would all love to be there but it’s not ideal at the minute and the powers that be will decide when it’s safe to do so. When that moment comes it will be even more special than before.”

He has been encouraged by the way the Bundesliga has returned. “I’ve been watching most of it,” he says. “It’s been good and quite refreshing to see. I think they have adapted to it quite well. It’s very odd hearing the echo, especially in the bigger stadiums, but they have dealt with it quite well.
Aston Villa’s John McGinn scores the winner against Derby last May

“Even watching Dortmund v Bayern Munich [on Tuesday], the standard is still so good. I’m sure if we can adapt to it as quickly and as easily as possible we can keep the same standard as when the fans were in.”

Villa can also take heart from the example of their own form last season, when they went on a 10-match winning streak to make a late surge into the play-offs, a run that set the stage for McGinn’s winning goal against Derby County in the play-off final. “We’ve got to use that experience,” he says. “We’re not naive enough to think we can go and win 10 in a row in the Premier League but if we can get that sort of confidence and belief we can get Villa out of this situation we’re in. We’re just inside the relegation zone at the minute but we’re more than capable of getting out of it and it’s in our own hands.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 28, 2020, 02:01:21 PM
He's a class act, McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2020, 02:14:55 PM
G'wan the meatbaw!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 06, 2020, 07:07:28 PM
SJM ❤🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 15, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
How many minutes do we think SJM will get on Wednesday?
I do fancy him to start but now thinking with the match on Sunday and the extended break that he won't do a whole 90 either time?
I'm also worried he'll get injured if he does and even just coming back playing there is a risk.

The Man has so much drive, energy and such a great dynamic to the villa midfield and team . I can't wait to see him back playing just want Villa to be sensible with him.

I've been reading and get the impression he's been encouraged to constantly be a nuisance to the opposition with his closing down , pressing using his enthusiasm to good measure. Like Jamie Vardy it's been said.
I think this is something that Smith has said for him to look to emulate in giving performance and always being involved and a problem to the opponent.
It's clearly a strength of SJM his attacking play and Smith has sounded like he's encouraging more of it.

I totally think he'll score if he's selected on Wednesday from that start and hope he gets decent minutes.
I imagine he'll want to play the whole game but Smith has to be wise to know that is not realistic.
We are going to have to see how best to utilise him for the match. Be it he starts or from the bench.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
He’s been fit for weeks. We need to play our best players or we are screwed. Might still be screwed with him of course! But we need our best players on from the start. All or nothing, 10 game sprint.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 16, 2020, 12:20:23 AM
Ok. Well he can't be 90minute match fit.
And he has to get to a level to retain that fitness .
Maybe he could even play a full 90 on Wednesday and Sunday but then he'll start experiencing fatigue and struggle v Newcastle.
The ideal way would be to play him for an hour slowly build it up and again Vs Chelsea and have him do the whole 90mins away at Newcastle or the following Saturday morning v Wolves

Whatever way can't wait to see him in action though must be extra careful with him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on June 16, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
Smith hints in an artilce in today's online GRauniad that he probably won't play the full game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 16, 2020, 01:02:02 PM
Smith hints in an artilce in today's online GRauniad that he probably won't play the full game.
I don't really get this.  He was ready to return just before the lockdown, so has had a pretty full pre-season.  Given his natural dilligence and work rate I can't see how he's going to be significantly less prepared than any of the players who have had 2 months off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 16, 2020, 05:36:41 PM
Virtually no player is ready for a full 90 min PL game after 6 months of no games. And this break has been nothing like a normal pre-season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 16, 2020, 05:42:40 PM
If he isn’t going to play the whole game ( which I get), is it better to start him or not?

Whilst normally I’d agree with always start with our best 11, the idea of him coming on after 60 mins,  whilst everyone else is tiring, might be an idea?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 16, 2020, 10:08:26 PM
From on twitter

John McGinn: “I honestly think the break has been good for us mentally. I played with Douglas Luiz for the first half of the season before I got injured and he genuinely couldn’t understand a word I said.” [daily record]
“I don’t know if he spent the lockdown with his tutor online but fair play to him because it helps so much when he can understand ‘man on!’. I don’t think they know what ‘man on’ is in Brazil.”
“There were a lot of players all from different leagues and countries kind of flung together and because of the money that was spent, people just expected us to gel instantly.”
“But it really doesn’t work like that, especially in a league where you get punished for making mistakes. The break has been good for us. It has made us appreciate the situation we are in and we have 10 games now to get ourselves out of it.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2020, 10:34:03 PM
We have too many weaknesses in our side not to select the likes of SJM. It's a ten game sprint. Rest him when we're safe!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2020, 10:42:55 PM
From on twitter

John McGinn: “I honestly think the break has been good for us mentally. I played with Douglas Luiz for the first half of the season before I got injured and he genuinely couldn’t understand a word I said.” [daily record]
“I don’t know if he spent the lockdown with his tutor online but fair play to him because it helps so much when he can understand ‘man on!’. I don’t think they know what ‘man on’ is in Brazil.”
“There were a lot of players all from different leagues and countries kind of flung together and because of the money that was spent, people just expected us to gel instantly.”
“But it really doesn’t work like that, especially in a league where you get punished for making mistakes. The break has been good for us. It has made us appreciate the situation we are in and we have 10 games now to get ourselves out of it.”

He's spot on with this, I've said a few times that the biggest change that we need is to stop rebuilding the squad every summer. 3-4 players in and out is the limit if you want to create any sort of familiarity in the squad and even then only 1-2 of those should be straight into the team from the start. Sometimes that's impossible (like last summer) but proper management (all through the club not just in terms on the first team manager) should mean you're never in that position and if nothing else I hope that's the important lesson we've learned from the last 5 years were we've repeatedly fucked it up and gone into each new season with a team that's been barely recognisable to the one we finished the year before with.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2020, 11:46:05 PM
If we stay up we should just aim for 3-4 new signings this summer. A commanding CB alongside Mings, a good quality wide player and a midfielder who can read the game and stick his foot in would make a world of difference to us and would propel us to the giddy heights of 10th or 11th.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ez on June 17, 2020, 10:06:40 AM
I like his reasoning. Had there been no lockdown I expect we would be down now. We were in freefall and needed something to break  the run. Let's hope we use the situation to our advantage.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on June 17, 2020, 10:25:16 AM
From on twitter

John McGinn: “I honestly think the break has been good for us mentally. I played with Douglas Luiz for the first half of the season before I got injured and he genuinely couldn’t understand a word I said.” [daily record]
“I don’t know if he spent the lockdown with his tutor online but fair play to him because it helps so much when he can understand ‘man on!’. I don’t think they know what ‘man on’ is in Brazil.”
“There were a lot of players all from different leagues and countries kind of flung together and because of the money that was spent, people just expected us to gel instantly.”
“But it really doesn’t work like that, especially in a league where you get punished for making mistakes. The break has been good for us. It has made us appreciate the situation we are in and we have 10 games now to get ourselves out of it.”
Totally unsurprising.
The good news is that the issue of familiarity is acknowledged, has been recognised and - hopefully - dealt with during the lockdown.
Second seasons usually expose the kind of players bought in the season before ... if the players are still around and have not been sold on!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2020, 10:51:44 AM
If we stay up we should just aim for 3-4 new signings this summer. A commanding CB alongside Mings, a good quality wide player and a midfielder who can read the game and stick his foot in would make a world of difference to us and would propel us to the giddy heights of 10th or 11th.

I'm not sure about the centre back, I like Engels and I think Konsa has a lot of potential so I'm pretty happy with us there. I'd go with a defensive midfielder, a left back and a wide player, with Lansbury, Taylor and Jota leaving to make space for them. After that it would just be one out, one in if anyone wants to leave.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 17, 2020, 01:36:43 PM
Ok. Well he can't be 90minute match fit.
And he has to get to a level to retain that fitness .
Maybe he could even play a full 90 on Wednesday and Sunday but then he'll start experiencing fatigue and struggle v Newcastle.
The ideal way would be to play him for an hour slowly build it up and again Vs Chelsea and have him do the whole 90mins away at Newcastle or the following Saturday morning v Wolves

Whatever way can't wait to see him in action though must be extra careful with him


As I suspected and have been saying.
Dean Smith said
"It’s great to have him back but I have to manage him accordingly. It’s easy for me to go and throw him straight into the battle, knowing the sort of lad he is, but the players have had 14 weeks without a game. He has had over six months without a game. He has managed to get minutes in the West Brom and Leicester [friendly] games [this month] but I have to be a little bit mindful of where he’s been and where he’s come from.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2020, 02:42:07 PM
From on twitter

John McGinn: “I honestly think the break has been good for us mentally. I played with Douglas Luiz for the first half of the season before I got injured and he genuinely couldn’t understand a word I said.” [daily record]
“I don’t know if he spent the lockdown with his tutor online but fair play to him because it helps so much when he can understand ‘man on!’. I don’t think they know what ‘man on’ is in Brazil.”
“There were a lot of players all from different leagues and countries kind of flung together and because of the money that was spent, people just expected us to gel instantly.”
“But it really doesn’t work like that, especially in a league where you get punished for making mistakes. The break has been good for us. It has made us appreciate the situation we are in and we have 10 games now to get ourselves out of it.”

I'm hoping that the enforced break will have helped us massively. The pressure is back on again now but the last few weeks of training will have allowed everyone to get to know each other better. I always thought that if we could get through this season and get a full pre-season under our belts we'd be far better off next season. Now's the time to see.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flin5tone on June 17, 2020, 11:49:54 PM
He wasn't very good the few weeks leading up to his injury and returned today in the same form
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
He wasn't very good the few weeks leading up to his injury and returned today in the same form

He was better than you were in the weeks leading up to your resignation.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 17, 2020, 11:54:31 PM
I know whose return i'm happier about.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on June 18, 2020, 11:42:58 AM
He was quite rusty, and looked a little overweight (might just be the haircut!), but it was good to have him back out there. He will only get better with some proper game time under his belt.  I just hope he can get up to proper match fitness quickly, we need the old SJM back sooner rather than later...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mr underhill on June 18, 2020, 12:11:43 PM
understandably miles off the pace last night but great to see him back
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on June 23, 2020, 08:10:34 AM
Being rusty is understandable but McGinn seems to have piled on the pounds. Is there any excuse for his poor conditioning?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 23, 2020, 08:15:21 AM
Yes there’s these new pie ranges at Tesco a home tried them?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on June 23, 2020, 10:56:59 AM
Being rusty is understandable but McGinn seems to have piled on the pounds. Is there any excuse for his poor conditioning?

He had a broken ankle and a number of months out. It takes time to get back up to speed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2020, 04:26:46 PM
Far too early for him to be starting games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 23, 2020, 07:23:42 PM
Far too early for him to be starting games.

Indeed it has been proven to be the case, so who and by what process was it decided that he should not only start but stay on the pitch for the majority of these two games?  Good as he is, he was no more than a passenger in these games.  Could he not perhaps have been brought on for the last 20 minutes in each game?   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2020, 07:27:17 PM
OK he has two games now under his belt so I expect he will will be fully match for tomorrow.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2020, 07:31:20 PM
Far too early for him to be starting games.

Indeed it has been proven to be the case, so who and by what process was it decided that he should not only start but stay on the pitch for the majority of these two games?  Good as he is, he was no more than a passenger in these games.  Could he not perhaps have been brought on for the last 20 minutes in each game?   

Under normal circumstances I’d agree but that would mean he’d take even longer to get up to full speed and we don’t have time for that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 23, 2020, 07:48:32 PM
OK he has two games now under his belt so I expect he will will be fully match for tomorrow.

No way should he be in the starting line up tomorrow.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 23, 2020, 08:49:03 PM
Far too early for him to be starting games.

Indeed it has been proven to be the case, so who and by what process was it decided that he should not only start but stay on the pitch for the majority of these two games?  Good as he is, he was no more than a passenger in these games.  Could he not perhaps have been brought on for the last 20 minutes in each game?   

Under normal circumstances I’d agree but that would mean he’d take even longer to get up to full speed and we don’t have time for that.
Exactly.  Needs must and if we are going to stay up we will need him to play a major part.  We need to play him into fitness and form as quickly as we can.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
Far too early for him to be starting games.

Indeed it has been proven to be the case, so who and by what process was it decided that he should not only start but stay on the pitch for the majority of these two games?  Good as he is, he was no more than a passenger in these games.  Could he not perhaps have been brought on for the last 20 minutes in each game?   

Under normal circumstances I’d agree but that would mean he’d take even longer to get up to full speed and we don’t have time for that.
Exactly.  Needs must and if we are going to stay up we will need him to play a major part.  We need to play him into fitness and form as quickly as we can.

Absolutely, and even if he has been poor, who's going to come in and do better? Lansbury?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 25, 2020, 10:46:23 AM
Weak by 60 mins should have been replaced for Nakamba and pushed Luiz further forward.

McGinn is being carried at the moment.
It's like what Villa did with Drinkwater trying to get him match fit with precious use of a playing position
Only difference SJM is a very capable and useful player

For me others may have to come in sooner during his game time or he has to be dropped and played accordingly as he's not doing anything of significance apart from one run into the box for a header a match and literally a couple of shots.

As we all know it's usually several forrays into the box.
Driving with the ball
Tackling ,pressing and winning balls
And shots and goals

SJM is just not doing that and after such a long lay off it's going to take a few more games

Does not help with team having little possession of ball.

Needs to be given the hook if he's not performing next game.
Painful to see him as he's limited at the moment and he's limiting the team for all his amazing qualities.

None are being shown ! Despite being the excellent player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 25, 2020, 10:57:33 AM
I saw signs in the first half that he is starting to look like the player we know he is. He'll get there, we just need to be a bit patient with him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AVH87 on June 25, 2020, 11:25:08 AM
Normally on returning you would have a game, then a week's training to get fitter, then another game. However we have had games every 3 days so presumably no training or only very light so this is a disadvantage for SJM/us.

Maybe if we can keep in touch for the next 2-3 games he can then up it and get more out of Jack as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villan82 on June 25, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
I think SJM could be firing on all cylinders 2 or 3 games from now. By then, he and Jack could be match winners for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on June 25, 2020, 11:55:31 AM
I think SJM could be firing on all cylinders 2 or 3 games from now. By then, he and Jack could be match winners for us.

I wish I was a  converted Small Heath fan right now. I'd have more fingers to cross.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on June 25, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
My nagging worry with McGinn's form is that he was playing poorly for the few matches before his injury.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 25, 2020, 12:24:37 PM
My nagging worry with McGinn's form is that he was playing poorly for the few matches before his injury.
Yep.  I reckon we've seen peak SJM for about a third of the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 25, 2020, 12:26:45 PM
My nagging worry with McGinn's form is that he was playing poorly for the few matches before his injury.

I think he was carrying a knock when he got injured.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on June 25, 2020, 12:28:19 PM
My nagging worry with McGinn's form is that he was playing poorly for the few matches before his injury.

I'm not sure both Grealish and McGinn have ever played well at the same time really. McGinn prefers to be further up the pitch freed from defensive responsibilities, as he was earlier in the season when Grealish was poor. That was the time of Smith's " two number eights" when our midfield was being walked through at will.

While I can understand rustiness in terms of a poor touch or pass, his general conditioning levels are nowhere near good enough. Given the pedestrian nature of the Sheff Utd and Newcastle games he shouldn't have been so far off the pace. Seems to be carrying weight and if so that's inexcusable for a player at the top level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AVH87 on June 25, 2020, 12:40:18 PM
The only plus point to his form could be, we should manage to keep him for another season, if we do go down.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on June 25, 2020, 12:42:06 PM
Remember Grealish or Mings did some piss take about SJM being a lard arse when they went to Dubai in January. They superimposed his head onto a Barry Austin style frame. All in jest at the time I know but now seems like they were on to something.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2020, 07:52:23 PM
Maybe, just maybe, John isn't quite good enough for the Premier Division, just yet.  As much faith as I have in him, he's not arrived yet.  Yes, hang me for heresy.  He will be great, but needs the right players around him.  We don't have them.  I also don't think he will leave the club if we go down, certainly not for the prices being touted on here.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on June 26, 2020, 08:38:56 AM
Wash your mouth out and go and sit in the corner.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on June 26, 2020, 08:59:58 AM
I think the injury before Christmas will still be affecting him massively. Normally he would have gone through a period of intense physio, conditioning etc after the bone had healed to prepare him for playing again. I’m guessing that just about coincided with lockdown, meaning he hasn’t had anything like the level of treatment and support he would have needed to get match-fit.

Hopefully he will get better as games go on, but the pessimist in me worries that he might end up doing himself more damage and we might have been better off giving him an extra 2-3 weeks to get himself fully fit for the run-in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villan82 on June 26, 2020, 10:09:36 AM
Maybe, just maybe, John isn't quite good enough for the Premier Division, just yet.  As much faith as I have in him, he's not arrived yet.  Yes, hang me for heresy.  He will be great, but needs the right players around him.  We don't have them.  I also don't think he will leave the club if we go down, certainly not for the prices being touted on here.

For the first 5 games or so he was our best player and our main attacking threat imo.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on June 26, 2020, 10:27:23 AM
I’m not worried about McGinn in the long term at all
he’s a model professional and will return to top form I’ve no doubts

it’s just that we could do with it starting to happen by tomorrow please
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2020, 10:46:18 AM
I'm not worried about him either. He hasn't played since December, he was always going to take a few games to get back into the swing of things. As ever, some fans just have no patience whatsoever.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2020, 06:56:17 PM
He’ll be fine. We could just do with him getting up to speed quick.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on June 26, 2020, 07:19:25 PM
I wish we had another three or four with his heart and commitment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on June 26, 2020, 07:49:18 PM
Maybe, just maybe, John isn't quite good enough for the Premier Division, just yet.  As much faith as I have in him, he's not arrived yet.  Yes, hang me for heresy.  He will be great, but needs the right players around him.  We don't have them.  I also don't think he will leave the club if we go down, certainly not for the prices being touted on here.

For the first 5 games or so he was our best player and our main attacking threat imo.
He was bloody brilliant for a while in this league. Maybe just maybe we’ve not played well as a team and got the right system and balance. So yes, how dare you, where’s the noose! 😉
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2020, 08:02:30 PM
Sorry people.  I know it's heresy.  I'm a rat.  That said, if I am right and he still struggles for the rest of the season, we can't lose, as no-one will buy him and we keep him for next season, regardless of the league we are in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 11:53:55 AM
Dropped today.

Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 27, 2020, 11:57:04 AM
Dropped today.

Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.

Agreed.  Hopefully he can make an impact from the bench later in the game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 12:02:58 PM
Dropped today.

Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.

That's what coming back from a long lay off can do. He was hardly going to hit the ground running.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 12:24:37 PM
Dropped today.

Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.

That's what coming back from a long lay off can do. He was hardly going to hit the ground running.

Was he that much worse off than anyone else? He was back in training when everything stopped so I'm not sure why he looks so far off the pace and Luis, for example, seems to have benefited from the break.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2020, 12:58:38 PM
Dropped today.

Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.

Agreed.  Hopefully he can make an impact from the bench later in the game.

Better still let's hope we don't need him to.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 27, 2020, 02:49:24 PM
Dropped today.

Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.

Agreed.  Hopefully he can make an impact from the bench later in the game.

Better still let's hope we don't need him to.

Well we did, and he didn't.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 27, 2020, 02:57:13 PM


I thought there were a few, tiny glimpses of him getting back at it during his cameo today. Nothing major, just a bit of 'something'
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 02:58:55 PM
Dropped today.

Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.

That's what coming back from a long lay off can do. He was hardly going to hit the ground running.

Was he that much worse off than anyone else? He was back in training when everything stopped so I'm not sure why he looks so far off the pace and Luis, for example, seems to have benefited from the break.

Well yes, because hadn't kicked a ball since December and Luiz hasn't been out injured. It's not just about form, it's match fitness and sharpness. If you can't see that, then fair enough.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2020, 03:09:48 PM
He’ll be fine, he’s a good player, but it’ll be too late for us this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 03:48:31 PM
Dropped today.

Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.

That's what coming back from a long lay off can do. He was hardly going to hit the ground running.

Was he that much worse off than anyone else? He was back in training when everything stopped so I'm not sure why he looks so far off the pace and Luis, for example, seems to have benefited from the break.

Well yes, because hadn't kicked a ball since December and Luiz hasn't been out injured. It's not just about form, it's match fitness and sharpness. If you can't see that, then fair enough.

How much match fitness did Luiz have from not playing since the start of March?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 04:26:34 PM
Dropped today.

Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.

That's what coming back from a long lay off can do. He was hardly going to hit the ground running.

Was he that much worse off than anyone else? He was back in training when everything stopped so I'm not sure why he looks so far off the pace and Luis, for example, seems to have benefited from the break.

Well yes, because hadn't kicked a ball since December and Luiz hasn't been out injured. It's not just about form, it's match fitness and sharpness. If you can't see that, then fair enough.

How much match fitness did Luiz have from not playing since the start of March?

Again, he wasn't out injured previously was he.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 04:43:05 PM
It doesn't matter. Neither of them had played for three months. It's like a brand new season. Match fitness has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 04:45:32 PM
It doesn't matter. Neither of them had played for three months. It's like a brand new season. Match fitness has nothing to do with it.

Match fitness has nothing to do with coming back from a long injury lay off? Hmm, I think I'll leave it there. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Wow.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2020, 04:46:29 PM
Cracking read lads.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 04:49:53 PM
Cracking read lads.

Thanks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 06:17:31 PM
It doesn't matter. Neither of them had played for three months. It's like a brand new season. Match fitness has nothing to do with it.

Match fitness has nothing to do with coming back from a long injury lay off? Hmm, I think I'll leave it there. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Wow.

Educate me then. How much match fitness did any other player have in the squad having not played a competitive fixture for 3 months?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on June 27, 2020, 06:27:02 PM
Crikey, heard it all now. Bloody hell, of cause SJM is not going to be on pace after a lengthy layoff. It can take weeks of playing to get back to a decent match fitness which is very different to just being fit. If you’ve ever played the game you’d certainly know.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 06:40:03 PM
It doesn't matter. Neither of them had played for three months. It's like a brand new season. Match fitness has nothing to do with it.

Match fitness has nothing to do with coming back from a long injury lay off? Hmm, I think I'll leave it there. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Wow.

Educate me then. How much match fitness did any other player have in the squad having not played a competitive fixture for 3 months?

I'll try and explain it one more time. None of the other players were injured prior to the lockdown. He hadn't kicked a ball since before christmas. It sounds like you are either arguing for the sake of it or just a bit dim. Either way, I'm bored of it
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 06:51:32 PM
It doesn't matter. Neither of them had played for three months. It's like a brand new season. Match fitness has nothing to do with it.

Match fitness has nothing to do with coming back from a long injury lay off? Hmm, I think I'll leave it there. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Wow.

Educate me then. How much match fitness did any other player have in the squad having not played a competitive fixture for 3 months?

I'll try and explain it one more time. None of the other players were injured prior to the lockdown. He hadn't kicked a ball since before christmas. It sounds like you are either arguing for the sake of it or just a bit dim. Either way, I'm bored of it

That's just completely untrue. McGinn was in full training before the season suspension, just like Luiz.

Neither of them had any match fitness going in to the Sheffield United game. Luiz has coped with it much better than McGinn. It's just not an excuse. Nor is an injury he recovered from four months ago.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 06:58:15 PM
Crikey, heard it all now. Bloody hell, of cause SJM is not going to be on pace after a lengthy layoff. It can take weeks of playing to get back to a decent match fitness which is very different to just being fit. If you’ve ever played the game you’d certainly know.

Yep, bizarre isn't it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
It's a catch 22.  He needs games under his belt to get back to his best but he's so far from his best that he was dropped.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 07:05:26 PM
Crikey, heard it all now. Bloody hell, of cause SJM is not going to be on pace after a lengthy layoff. It can take weeks of playing to get back to a decent match fitness which is very different to just being fit. If you’ve ever played the game you’d certainly know.

Blimey. I didn't realise we had a professional footballer in our midst.

I'm not arguing whether match fitness is a thing. Of course it is. But no one had any match fitness when this mini season started. That's why the first few games were so poor.

But some of our players have picked up quicker than others. McGinn just doesn't look like himself. He was out injured for less than 3 months and has been back in training for more than 4 months. How long after an injury does he get a free pass for?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on June 27, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
Crikey, heard it all now. Bloody hell, of cause SJM is not going to be on pace after a lengthy layoff. It can take weeks of playing to get back to a decent match fitness which is very different to just being fit. If you’ve ever played the game you’d certainly know.

Yep, bizarre isn't it?
Absolutely.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on June 27, 2020, 10:11:18 PM
Crikey, heard it all now. Bloody hell, of cause SJM is not going to be on pace after a lengthy layoff. It can take weeks of playing to get back to a decent match fitness which is very different to just being fit. If you’ve ever played the game you’d certainly know.

Blimey. I didn't realise we had a professional footballer in our midst.

I'm not arguing whether match fitness is a thing. Of course it is. But no one had any match fitness when this mini season started. That's why the first few games were so poor.

But some of our players have picked up quicker than others. McGinn just doesn't look like himself. He was out injured for less than 3 months and has been back in training for more than 4 months. How long after an injury does he get a free pass for?
He has had a serious injury. You do not become fit overnight. He needs game to get this. The others were playing before lockdown and remained a certain fitness level. It’s not really that hard to understand.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 10:15:32 PM
No Ian, all the players sat on their arse watching re-runs of Loose Women whilst on furlough you know.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on June 27, 2020, 10:28:17 PM
Well everyone except Luiz of course.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2020, 09:53:56 PM
https://twitter.com/PunjabiVillans/status/1281328950732558342?s=20

^^ McGinn since the return, in a nutshell.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 09, 2020, 10:00:57 PM
Absolutely awful tonight. Looks fat and unfit, trying to buy a foul time and time again because he had nothing else to offer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:36:31 PM
How has he let himself get into that state?  Watched this in a bar in Northampton this evening, and loads of people commented on how lardy he looks.  Unacceptable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on July 09, 2020, 11:37:30 PM
He was never exactly a greyhound but fuck sake the guy is actually properly fat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 09, 2020, 11:38:08 PM
https://twitter.com/PunjabiVillans/status/1281328950732558342?s=20

^^ McGinn since the return, in a nutshell.
That's appalling.  Also a little bit hilarious.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt C on July 09, 2020, 11:39:31 PM
And we thought Drinkwater looked off the pace...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2020, 11:39:52 PM
He turning into Jimmy Krankie.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 09, 2020, 11:42:05 PM
How has he let himself get into that state?  Watched this in a bar in Northampton this evening, and loads of people commented on how lardy he looks.  Unacceptable.

He broke a bone, it's a bit tricky to be up to this standard, playing every 2 or 3 days when you've had months out following a broken bone.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:42:21 PM
I'd be playing Drinkwater instead of him.  I'd be playing Mark Kinsella instead of him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:44:04 PM
How has he let himself get into that state?  Watched this in a bar in Northampton this evening, and loads of people commented on how lardy he looks.  Unacceptable.

He broke a bone, it's a bit tricky to be up to this standard, playing every 2 or 3 days when you've had months out following a broken bone.

There's no reason WHATSOEVER for him to be overweight.  I'm not talking about the quality of his play, even though that's shit.  But he's got a paunch on him and rolls of fat on his back.  That is not acceptable, at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2020, 11:49:46 PM
He has 6 games under his belt now so how many more? He’s been utterly unprofessional in allowing himself to get totally wasted and what’s more he doesn’t look bothered.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on July 09, 2020, 11:50:17 PM
It makes you wonder. Presumably our fitness staff never went within a mile of the players, while the likes of Spurs and chelsea were still making them train on the quiet until they were caught out by the media. And if you think they were the only ones doing it..........
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on July 09, 2020, 11:50:48 PM
https://twitter.com/PunjabiVillans/status/1281328950732558342?s=20

^^ McGinn since the return, in a nutshell.

Fucking hell.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:51:51 PM
I'm less fat than McGinn and I went into lockdown not a professional footballer and weighing 16 stone.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: The_ads on July 09, 2020, 11:52:07 PM
Drinkwater should be playing over McGinn and I think Drinkwater is shite
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on July 09, 2020, 11:56:04 PM
I'm less fat than McGinn and I went into lockdown not a professional footballer and weighing 16 stone.

Dunno. I know loads of people who have put on loads in lockdown and they're not chubbies normally. I was 2 stone overweight for my height and i've gone down 3 trouser sizes. Lockdown has really messed with people's metabalism
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2020, 11:56:09 PM
He returned to training before lockdown, nearly a month ago people were saying he looked 'cuddly' shall we say, and he still looks overweight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 09, 2020, 11:57:17 PM
I'd be playing Drinkwater instead of him.  I'd be playing Mark Kinsella instead of him.

What about your grandma? Go on, say it...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villan82 on July 09, 2020, 11:59:06 PM
I'm less fat than McGinn and I went into lockdown not a professional footballer and weighing 16 stone.

Dunno. I know loads of people who have put on loads in lockdown and they're not chubbies normally. I was 2 stone overweight for my height and i've gone down 3 trouser sizes. Lockdown has really messed with people's metabalism

You make a good point. But, when people earn more in a week than I earn in a year to play a sport that I love I damn well expect them to keep fit and in shape.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2020, 12:00:27 AM
Hopefully no-one wants to sign him and we benefit from a fit SJM for the Championship. If...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on July 10, 2020, 12:04:47 AM
I'm less fat than McGinn and I went into lockdown not a professional footballer and weighing 16 stone.

Dunno. I know loads of people who have put on loads in lockdown and they're not chubbies normally. I was 2 stone overweight for my height and i've gone down 3 trouser sizes. Lockdown has really messed with people's metabalism

You make a good point. But, when people earn more in a week than I earn in a year to play a sport that I love I damn well expect them to keep fit and in shape.

yeah. still if you love the gym  and you keep your weight down by the gym rather than running 10 miles every day, its a bit of a change to your lifestyle. Doesn't excuse the fact that someone at the club should have been monitoring his weight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on July 10, 2020, 12:30:29 AM
Anyone remember that Mings/Grealish inst post they made in Dubai in January with a fat SJM figure next to them in trunks.  Turns out they weren't lying.

Really surprised and disappointed. I knew he'd had an injury so needed to get sharp again but I expected better than this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 10, 2020, 12:49:23 AM
Just posted something similar on Twitter.



(https://i.ibb.co/F0t9RVs/2-DEFA7-D0-587-F-4-E87-B86-D-32655-E043-B65.jpg)

 (https://ibb.co/F0t9RVs)
Eerily accurate prediction.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2020, 12:57:07 AM
He's just trying to look more like his FIFA character

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dnr82nzXcAAzWXA.jpg)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on July 10, 2020, 01:18:30 AM
Just posted something similar on Twitter.



(https://i.ibb.co/F0t9RVs/2-DEFA7-D0-587-F-4-E87-B86-D-32655-E043-B65.jpg)





 (https://ibb.co/F0t9RVs)
Eerily accurate prediction.

Yeah that's the one.  Can you imagine Klopp, Guardiola or even Nigel Pearson putting up with this shite.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dicedlam on July 10, 2020, 09:41:12 AM
He looks like he has been on a weekend bender at five guys.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:53:19 AM
Leicester bound this summer
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 10, 2020, 09:53:51 AM
Leicester bound this summer

Really?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2020, 09:54:48 AM
Leicester bound this summer

Really?

Probably just a simple guess seeing as Rodgers wanted him before he came in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 10, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
Leicester bound this summer

Really?

Probably just a simple guess seeing as Rodgers wanted him before he came in.

Ah, ok. Cheers Clampy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:56:10 AM
Leicester bound this summer

Really?

Probably just a simple guess seeing as Rodgers wanted him before he came in.

Leicester DO want him. I'd be trying to get Albrighton back as part of the deal
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 10, 2020, 09:57:43 AM
He definitely doesn't look fit. He was more involved yestereday and his passing was better in the first half. But he doesn't have the energy to get up and down the pitch, close down, etc which were one of his strongest assets.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on July 10, 2020, 09:58:07 AM
I just don't think he's up to playing in the Premier, be it with us or Leicester...it is Leicester City and not Leicester Tigers isn't it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2020, 10:01:17 AM
To me, it's just a case that he's struggling after his injury. Maybe this is the first major injury he's ever had, I don't know. I do get the impression though that he's the kind of player who would hang around for a season and try and get us back up if it came to it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on July 10, 2020, 10:05:54 AM
I don’t, I think he’d be off in a heartbeat. Same with Mings.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 10, 2020, 10:25:36 AM
I'd be playing Drinkwater instead of him.  I'd be playing Mark Kinsella instead of him.

I'd be playing you instead of him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2020, 10:26:48 AM
Yep; once a player has had the taste of the Premier League why would they pass up the opportunity to stay?!
McGinn is simply suffering from post-injury rehab and fitness issues, which don't stop him being a great player after a proper close season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2020, 10:31:35 AM
If we go down he will go and we will get good money for him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on July 10, 2020, 10:33:17 AM
If we go down he will go and we will get good money for him.

I'm not sure he will. How bad he's been since his injury could've spooked potential buyers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 10, 2020, 10:36:32 AM
I can't see is being able to keep him, he is a good player. Granted, he's gone off the boil a bit after the bad injury
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on July 10, 2020, 01:26:38 PM
I don’t, I think he’d be off in a heartbeat. Same with Mings.

As poor as he’s been, at least McGinn doesn’t make it quite so obvious that he’s already gone, unlike Mings.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2020, 01:50:15 PM
I can't see is being able to keep him, he is a good player. Granted, he's gone off the boil a bit after the bad injury

He's clearly nowhere near fit. He looks like he's carrying a shed load of extra weight.

How that is allowed to happen by either him or our fitness people or both is beyond me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2020, 01:57:22 PM
He's out of sorts.

Not the first player to come back from a serious injury and look like he's lost something, Kodj was never the same after his two injuries in 2017.

Partly why I'm uncomfortable with some hyping up Wes to be a saviour for us in the championship when it will probably take him 2-3 months to just back into things given he's had a serious injury.

Still keep him here and hopefully he gets going again in the championship as we know he's pretty good in that division.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2020, 02:07:56 PM
I can't see is being able to keep him, he is a good player. Granted, he's gone off the boil a bit after the bad injury

He's clearly nowhere near fit. He looks like he's carrying a shed load of extra weight.

How that is allowed to happen by either him or our fitness people or both is beyond me.

I'd agree. I just wonder whether he wasn't really anywhere near as ready as we thought he'd be and as such he's struggling to keep up now. He doesn't strike me as being an unprofessional type?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2020, 02:12:52 PM
He signed a new 4 year deal in August so we'd want a 25m fee. I really can't anyone paying that given what he's shown since injury. I think most clubs would wait until he gets back into his stride in championship.

He was good at the start of the season. Bursting into the box and scoring v Spurs, Arsenal and Burnley. Also set up the AEG goal v Everton with a nice run. Looks miles away from that level now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2020, 03:40:38 PM
I keep thinking of this:
https://twitter.com/PunjabiVillans/status/1281328950732558342

He's either criminally out of shape or he's phoning it in. Or both. No wonder Luiz was pissed off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on July 10, 2020, 03:49:58 PM
That clip is just unnaceptable. Im presuming (and fucking hoping) that its just down to him being unfit and brought back too soon. Even that theory comes with downsides towards the management though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2020, 03:53:19 PM
Not giving him a pass at all but I do wonder if McGinn was just rushed back and he just never was able to get properly fit again because of the injury. He's been a huge disappointment but he's also never struck me, any of us, or Hibs fans as the kind of player to just coast or give up. There is something else at play that's led to the version we are seeing right now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 09:58:51 AM
The state on him is shocking but I blame the management more than the player.

Lest we forget, Drinkwater was brought in as a like for like replacement on the safe assumption that SJM might be out for virtually the whole season.

He was clearly less match fit than the rest of the players, joining mid season. That factor should have been removed, since none of them are now match fit, and we should have got him in good shape to be a useful resource for us. Instead Dean is giving it the hard man act and not even putting him on the bench, while moaning about 5 subs and playing a fat John McGinn. It’s the kind of rank amateur, cut your nose off to spite your face shite that took us down the first time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 12, 2020, 10:03:37 AM
You can’t blame the management for a professional footballer letting himself go and becoming a lard arse.  You can blame them for thinking it’s a good idea to bring him into vital PL games looking like said lard arse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 12, 2020, 10:08:53 AM
What's the betting McGinn is in the starting eleven today? Love him as a player when he's on song, but nobody should be untouchable.
The shape he's returned in post-lockdown, and the effort he's putting into matches (Liverpool aside - Thought he played quite well in that game), he should be nowhere near the matchday squad - Especially after that showing against Man Utd.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2020, 10:11:45 AM
It was reported that he was carrying an injury before the major one and yet he was kept in the team. He’s not been managed at all well this season
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: David_Nab on July 12, 2020, 10:18:38 AM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown  he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on July 12, 2020, 10:21:02 AM
He’ll be off I’d imagine to Leicester. Rodgers was desperate for him at Celtic and I think he’d be perfect for a club like Leicester with European football. Wouldn’t even need to move house. Championship with Villa or Champions League with Leicester? Not a tough decision is it really.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Allan C on July 12, 2020, 10:21:08 AM
It was reported that he was carrying an injury before the major one and yet he was kept in the team. He’s not been managed at all well this season
The management team can be blamed for a lot of things this season but the personal condition and fitness of McGinn isn’t one of them. He’s got to take a lot of the responsibility for that
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on July 12, 2020, 10:28:19 AM
It was reported that he was carrying an injury before the major one and yet he was kept in the team. He’s not been managed at all well this season
The management team can be blamed for a lot of things this season but the personal condition and fitness of McGinn isn’t one of them. He’s got to take a lot of the responsibility for that

He should.

But why aren’t our fitness people checking on him daily? Maybe the BMI is going up, maybe weight, stamina. I don’t know. It just seems like he rocked back up at BMH and said “Hi everyone, here I am”.

I do agree though the doesn’t seem like one of the players who would just switch off and give up, so yeah, maybe there is more than meets the eye here. For Tyrone Mings to be having a go at him is ironic in the extreme.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2020, 10:36:43 AM
It was reported that he was carrying an injury before the major one and yet he was kept in the team. He’s not been managed at all well this season
The management team can be blamed for a lot of things this season but the personal condition and fitness of McGinn isn’t one of them. He’s got to take a lot of the responsibility for that

I’m afraid I don’t agree, if he reported an injury and said he wanted to play through it, and then his performance noticeably dipped, and he then picked up a more serious injury. That’s poor management, he shouldn’t have been given the choice.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: London Villan on July 12, 2020, 11:41:09 AM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown  he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace

Where has that story come from?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 11:48:07 AM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown  he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace

Interesting. So I guess in normal circumstances he'd have been ruled out for the season. I assume with the lockdown he simply couldn't do any rehab at training ground for two months.

He's miles off the pace and shouldn't be starting. I really doubt anyone is going to come in with 20m + bids. Remember he did sign a new deal last August.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2020, 11:57:08 AM
I doubt he will go for big money if he is still recovering from a very nasty injury.
He might actually stay.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 12, 2020, 12:27:42 PM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown  he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace

Where has that story come from?

Smith has said so himself. It explains why he's looked so off the pace if he's hardly trained.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: David_Nab on July 12, 2020, 12:30:32 PM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown  he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace

Where has that story come from?

Telegraph behind paywall
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: David_Nab on July 12, 2020, 12:31:46 PM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown  he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace

Interesting. So I guess in normal circumstances he'd have been ruled out for the season. I assume with the lockdown he simply couldn't do any rehab at training ground for two months.

He's miles off the pace and shouldn't be starting. I really doubt anyone is going to come in with 20m + bids. Remember he did sign a new deal last August.

Yeah would of been out for season, from what I can gather with a stress fracture the most he would be able to do is cycling /swimming.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 01:17:04 PM
You can’t blame the management for a professional footballer letting himself go and becoming a lard arse.  You can blame them for thinking it’s a good idea to bring him into vital PL games looking like said lard arse.

My point is that we’ve snookered ourselves and despite having the jan window to solve the issue was ended up with a replacement so useless that he can’t get on the bench when McGinn is barely able to cover 5 yards to get on a pass after half an hour.

Of course the players are to blame for being out of shape and/or a bad presence in the squad.

But why the hell are we having to pick between two players so hopelessly ill equipped to do a job in such a key position? That bit isn’t their fault.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on July 12, 2020, 01:44:10 PM
So we couple we’ll be on the way to fucking up one of our best players for next season?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2020, 05:36:09 PM
Much better performance today from SJM.  Much more drive and energy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 12, 2020, 05:41:40 PM
Thought he performed better than Man Utd game, but still a shadow of his former self. Looked knackered at HT but not going to criticise his effort today... much better. 👍🏼
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 05:57:40 PM
Better today. Should have been subbed but looked up for it, covered a decent amount distance and attacked a lot more.

When Samatta missed that header SJM was up there next to him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 12, 2020, 06:42:42 PM
Better today. Should have been subbed but looked up for it, covered a decent amount distance and attacked a lot more.

When Samatta missed that header SJM was up there next to him.

Yeah a lot better today and still running at the end.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2020, 07:00:10 PM
Interesting that he had another stress fracture as he had looked off the pace. Promising for the last 3 games that he's looked better in the last 2 games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2020, 07:56:48 AM
2 pretty bad injuries then back to back is going to take a while to get over. No friendlies or real warm up period before the re start despite being longer than a normal summer break won't have helped, and Mcginn clearly hasn't got the fitness levels he had pre injury. I hope he stays next season and is the driving force of the side to come back up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dicedlam on July 26, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
He was fantastic today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on July 26, 2020, 07:36:21 PM
He was fantastic today.

That ass!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on September 02, 2020, 10:31:48 AM
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2020, 11:05:12 AM
if either Nakamba steps up a level or we can find a sitting midfielder who's on a par with Luiz so that we can have the option of 2 defensive midfielders, it would give us options with the formation.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2020, 11:53:32 AM
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.

Didn't he essentially start there at Everton. I certainly think he's an option  further forward, it gives you the orion of a very high press. Needs to get back to his fighting fitness though, and treated with a bit more care next season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on September 02, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
An option, though 4-2-3-1 typically means you need a lot from the fullbacks in terms of supporting and getting past the midfield player on their side and then decent delivery on crosses and passes.

Guilbert has shown, in patches, he can do that though to deliver a consistent and major improvement it might need an upgrade of both fullbacks - with Matty Cash the target (no pun intended) for RB.

The other option is to switch to three at the back - as DS seems to like and which would mean (most likely) Mings - Engels - Konsa.

I've not given up on Engels and I think that could work as both Mings and Konsa like to bring the ball out. Though it is quite a fundamental change when a bit of continuity and stability might be the better bet in terms of delivering a steady start to the season. As ever - the decision is long-term plan versus short-term gain.

Anyone know whether Shakespeare has a preferred formation?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.

I like that idea, get in someone very defensive im midfield and tel lthe fullbacks to play more like wing backs and I think that could work really well. I think one of the biggest problems early in the season was us trying to get Grealish and McGinn in as 2 8s, which just didn't work.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on September 02, 2020, 12:20:04 PM
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.

I like that idea, get in someone very defensive im midfield and tel lthe fullbacks to play more like wing backs and I think that could work really well. I think one of the biggest problems early in the season was us trying to get Grealish and McGinn in as 2 8s, which just didn't work.

Yeah, you'd need peak-Javi Martinez or someone to make that 4-3-3 work. I'm a huge fan of Doug but he's not that player, and in fact you could free him up to play the Xabi Alonso role in deep alongside a more orthodox defensive player if we sign the latter (or if Nakamba steps up, as OCD says).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 02, 2020, 12:25:52 PM
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.

I like that idea, get in someone very defensive im midfield and tel lthe fullbacks to play more like wing backs and I think that could work really well. I think one of the biggest problems early in the season was us trying to get Grealish and McGinn in as 2 8s, which just didn't work.

I sincerely hope we don't try that 2x8s again this upcoming season. No matter what Grealish might think his best position is or most likely to get him firmly into the England reckoning.

Have McGinn and Grealish ever played particularly well for us at the same time?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: London Villan on September 02, 2020, 12:31:32 PM
They were pretty good during the 10 game run-in but other than that not really!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
They were pretty good during the 10 game run-in but other than that not really!

I don't agree with that, McGinn was really poor for most of it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2020, 01:37:27 PM
I think they've played well together when Jack is playing wide, in the centre together and they're definitely worse than the sum of their parts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2020, 01:40:13 PM
They were pretty good during the 10 game run-in but other than that not really!

I don't agree with that, McGinn was really poor for most of it.

I think he meant the season before?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 02, 2020, 01:44:47 PM
...Have McGinn and Grealish ever played particularly well for us at the same time?
Last season, Naaarrrich away, they played really well together. one or two other early games, they did so too; but it was flashes rather than a solid performance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 02, 2020, 01:44:53 PM
Interesting interview with McGinn in The S*n the other day (I know, I know...i only clicked to see the Matty Cash story that Ads had jumped the gun on) where he said that Edens  had messaged a few of the top players after the West Ham game saying congratulations and that they didn't plan to be in the same situation ever again.

Sure look...here's the quotes:
Quote
I never want to experience that again, so the feeling at West Ham was one of relief. But also of pride — because it’s naive to think we don’t listen to criticism or read negative stories.

“We were driving to games and, whether it was talkSPORT or some other station, not one person gave us a chance of staying up with four games to go when we were seven points behind.

“We used that negativity to stay up. It came down to professional pride.
“No one gave us a chance — and that made it even sweeter.

“Wes Edens private-messaged a lot of us after West Ham to say congratulations.

“And basically to tell us that the club wasn’t going to rest there.

He said they’d support us with new players and improve the depth of the squad to kick on.

“The owners made it clear that they want Villa back where we belong, challenging at the top end of English and European football.

“It’s not going to be easy. But we’re behind each other, backing each other. We’re on the same page.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: London Villan on September 02, 2020, 09:06:35 PM
They were pretty good during the 10 game run-in but other than that not really!

I don't agree with that, McGinn was really poor for most of it.

I think he meant the season before?

Yep the promotion 10 wins on the spin.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 21, 2020, 11:39:55 PM
McGinn's form isn't just a rut any longer. Was tried in at least three different positions tonight and was rubbish. Putting passes out of play when under no pressure. Not showing for possession, not taking players on, not breaking into the box.

If ever there was a player that needs competition for his place it's McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 22, 2020, 08:29:23 AM
McGinn's form isn't just a rut any longer. Was tried in at least three different positions tonight and was rubbish. Putting passes out of play when under no pressure. Not showing for possession, not taking players on, not breaking into the box.

If ever there was a player that needs competition for his place it's McGinn.
Just said the same in the transfer thread. He was worse than Targett last night and that is a statement.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 22, 2020, 08:32:53 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 22, 2020, 08:42:54 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Agree, he needs football and fitness.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 22, 2020, 08:46:41 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 22, 2020, 08:59:44 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Agree, he needs football and fitness.

Agree. It's obvious he hasn't quite reached the heights of  when he first came but he has been out injured. All this 'he was training in March and came back in June' is not strictly true because I think he picked another injury and no-one really trained as team after the lockdown anyway. Let's just give him time shall we?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on September 22, 2020, 09:04:12 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!

Didn't I read he had an injury setback that would likely have seen him miss the rest of the season? Did I dream that? I'm sure I remember seeing somewhere that when we restarted he was only just back to full training.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2020, 09:05:40 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!

It ended last night for me, his performances need to improve or else he needs a spell on the bench.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2020, 09:14:31 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Is he class though?  Personally I'm not sure he's good enough at any one aspect of the game to be a Premier League starter.  He was absolute gash yesterday and has been for ages now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on September 22, 2020, 09:24:59 AM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on September 22, 2020, 09:37:17 AM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.

As opposed to English people all absolutely committed to a healthy lifestyle 24/7.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on September 22, 2020, 09:38:39 AM
Good Championship player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 22, 2020, 09:41:24 AM
Thought he looked a lot better when he dropped a bit deeper last night and was alongside Luiz.  Not sure the more advanced role suits him really.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 22, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
A lot of his game is based on adrenaline and buzzing around. He does have some  technical qualities but like Hourihane, I'm not sure if a handful of well-taken goals in the PL prove he's a top player at this level.
£2.5m players from Scotland (or anywhere) rarely are.

I get the impression that his first instinct is to draw a foul when he receives the ball in tight situations which could speak volumes about the lack of confidence in his game. The bum-roll will only get him so far. We need someone else in the middle who has an undoubted touch of class about them like has always been clear with Jack and Hey Dougie.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2020, 09:56:04 AM
Thought he looked a lot better when he dropped a bit deeper last night and was alongside Luiz.  Not sure the more advanced role suits him really.

He struggled there in the championship though, didn't have the position discipline really. Probably a return to the right of the three needs to be considered (where Trez played last night) but I guess we have bought Traore to play there. In any case, the excuses are running out for McGinn. He is in the team on reputation only at the moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 22, 2020, 11:16:25 AM
The banter on Twitter about McGinn is funny though also cringeworthy... Jack, John and Cash involved so far.

Twitter (https://twitter.com/mattycash622/status/1308319220355272704?s=20)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villan82 on September 22, 2020, 11:58:48 AM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.

No racism intended but I will just go ahead and smear three nations. Class act.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 22, 2020, 12:09:37 PM
I don't think Brian did that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 22, 2020, 12:09:45 PM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.

As opposed to English people all absolutely committed to a healthy lifestyle 24/7.

I don't think he nationality has anything to do with it.

I also think he is good enough, both technically and mentally for this level. I just think he takes a bit of time to get to peak fitness. In fairness to him, I thought he actually looked stronger in the last 10 than he did the middle part of the game, almost like a second wind hit him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 22, 2020, 12:13:05 PM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Is he class though?  Personally I'm not sure he's good enough at any one aspect of the game to be a Premier League starter.  He was absolute gash yesterday and has been for ages now.

I think he did enough at the start of the season before getting injured to show he could be a decent player at this level. However he has been awful since the injury, and has had plenty of time to gain form now. We need better competition for places, so he can be benched whilst he finds form. At the moment I would be picking Hourihane and Nakamba ahead of him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: usav on September 22, 2020, 01:19:39 PM
I'm starting to think he's not cut out for this level.  Great player in the Championship obviously, but other than a couple of games he just hasn't done it at PL level.   Hourihane the same.   Badly need something in midfield to complement Doug, who is exceptional.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2020, 01:50:40 PM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.

No racism intended but I will just go ahead and smear three nations. Class act.

Roy Keane said something similar a few years back about some unnamed Irish players.

The condition McGinn came back from injury last season wasn't really acceptable as was clearly carrying surplus weight. couldn't really tell last night  if it was still an issue but it should be the easiest thing for a professional footballer to correct. I'm still a big fan and confident he will turn it around. But Smith letting him try to play himself into form needs to end.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on September 22, 2020, 01:52:54 PM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!

He broke his ankle again in March.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2020, 02:15:25 PM
I thought he was looking better in Arsenal and West Ham games. Looked like he was back up to speed and then gets another 7 week break where he loses intensity.

Was really poor last night so it's frustrating.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 22, 2020, 02:40:20 PM
Some players just take longer to get back to full fitness, whether that's due to injury or the summer break. I think he hasn't been up to speed since the injury, probably his metabolism and not because he's spent the summer on a diet of buckfast and deep fried mars bars. Certainly wouldn't drop him at the moment, play him against bristol andif  in 4 games time he's still off the pace, then maybe start worrying.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 22, 2020, 02:46:13 PM
It doesn't really matter why he's playing shit. The fact is, he's playing shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 22, 2020, 02:58:37 PM
It doesn't really matter why he's playing shit. The fact is, he's playing shit.

Well it depends. If you think he's shit because he's off the pace, then we have to get him match fit otherwise he will remain shit. If you think he's shit through loss of form or just being found out in the Premier then yeah drop him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on September 22, 2020, 03:04:23 PM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!

He broke his ankle again in March.

Yeah, I can't find the link now, but I was sure I read about some recurrence/relapse during lockdown that would have put him out for the season (if we weren't locked down).  He didn't come back in the summer having been training for three months, he was JUST back in full training.  Clearly he wasn't as fit as he should be, and quite rusty.

I think last night he looked fitter (and a little lighter), but still pretty rusty.  Misplaced passes, miscontrols etc.  That said, I've no doubt he'll play himself into form.  Jack is also notorious for starting the season slowly until he's up to proper match fitness - I guess that's just the way with some players.

If we're still wondering about his fitness/form in another four or five games, then I'll start to be concerned.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 22, 2020, 03:04:27 PM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!

He broke his ankle again in March.

According to who?

He gave an interview in May and never mentioned it - https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18480525.scotland-aston-villa-star-john-mcginn-says-horror-ankle-break-nearly-bad-facing-relegation-st-mirren/
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 22, 2020, 03:08:47 PM
I'm not sure he broke his ankle but he did have a setback of some kind because Smith mentioned it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: gpbarr on September 23, 2020, 12:35:44 AM
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 23, 2020, 12:52:09 AM
He needs a run out against Bristol City. A good game will help his confidence.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on September 23, 2020, 01:20:40 AM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.
Nah, it's not racism. But it is bigotry. The kind that makes many of us from Scotland, Ireland and Wales wonder why we are still yoked to the English.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on September 23, 2020, 01:31:07 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!

He broke his ankle again in March.

According to who?

He gave an interview in May and never mentioned it - https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18480525.scotland-aston-villa-star-john-mcginn-says-horror-ankle-break-nearly-bad-facing-relegation-st-mirren/

Took some finding but... yes he did have two injuries.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2020/08/03/fitness-will-be-the-key-for-aston-villa-midfielder-john-mcginn/

Quote
The Scotland international was sidelined for around five months in total after first fracturing his left ankle in December and then suffering a stress fracture in the same leg, just before the Premier League was suspended due to the coronavirus pandemic in March.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2020, 01:40:32 AM
He's been tweeting about the size of his aubergine today. Might do him good switching from Irn Bru to vegetables.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on September 23, 2020, 07:22:33 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!

He broke his ankle again in March.

According to who?

He gave an interview in May and never mentioned it - https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18480525.scotland-aston-villa-star-john-mcginn-says-horror-ankle-break-nearly-bad-facing-relegation-st-mirren/

Took some finding but... yes he did have two injuries.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2020/08/03/fitness-will-be-the-key-for-aston-villa-midfielder-john-mcginn/

Quote
The Scotland international was sidelined for around five months in total after first fracturing his left ankle in December and then suffering a stress fracture in the same leg, just before the Premier League was suspended due to the coronavirus pandemic in March.

Thank you. Now book em' danno.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sid1964 on September 23, 2020, 07:34:54 AM
I think he will be the next to get a new 4 year contract
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2020, 08:05:30 AM
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before

And replaced with.....?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on September 23, 2020, 08:11:06 AM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.

As a Celt, I do my best to embody this statement :-)

I don’t know how true a generalisation it is but it does remind me of a story I heard from a mate who played for Wales about how John Hartson’s pre match meal was spaghetti bolognese with a fried egg on top.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tony Boucher on September 23, 2020, 09:03:09 AM
This quote is from mid-July:
Midfielder John McGinn is still building up his fitness after Smith revealed he sustained a thin break in his shin prior to the cancelled fixture against Chelsea on March 14.

"Prior to lockdown we were due to play Chelsea on the Saturday," Smith explained. "John was fit to play and he was going to be on the bench, but then earlier in the week he started to feel his shin. We sent him for a scan and we found another stress fracture, which put him out for another six weeks.

"He didn't train during the lockdown but once we came back to small group training he was back. He's been playing catch-up and it's been very difficult. It can take a while to get back up to speed but he’s certainly getting there now."

From Meaning Evil article on 14th July
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on September 23, 2020, 09:05:01 AM
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before

And replaced with.....?
I'm looking forward to the answer :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2020, 09:23:24 AM
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before

Another horror show? Blimey, he wasn't that bad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 23, 2020, 09:35:00 AM
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before

Another horror show? Blimey, he wasn't that bad.

I agree Clampy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2020, 09:38:18 AM
I think he will be the next to get a new 4 year contract

Me too. Smith always speaks highly of him. 

If Rodgers still loves him too, imagine swapping him for one of Leicester's midfield juggernauts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 23, 2020, 10:10:04 AM
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before

And replaced with.....?
I'm looking forward to the answer :)

I only agree on the competition bit. But I think McGinn will reach level of consistency again .
Don't forget he's a ball carrier and makes runs rather than someone who gets on the ball passing it around like Pirlo. So he can look like he's not involved

But yes a midfielder to come in for competition would be great however it's the same all round
Paul Merson once said :
"You can go for £50-60m now, three bad games and you’re out of the team"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2020, 12:36:37 PM
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before

And replaced with.....?
I'm looking forward to the answer :)

Me too!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 23, 2020, 12:42:52 PM
Not having a decent game is now a horror show is it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2020, 12:47:50 PM
'Horror show' is an over-exaggeration, but he was certainly poor.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on September 23, 2020, 01:36:46 PM
He didn't play that badly.  Rusty, yes. Below par for his standards, certainly. But it was far from a 'horror show'.

It also didn't help that with Sheff Utd down to 10 men and retreating to their box with everyone behind the ball, it completely nullified his biggest assets; carrying the ball forward and making runs into space.  With most of the match spent with the ball moving side to side in the final third and trying to find a way through two compact banks of four, he was never going to be man of the match. It wasn't the sort of game he is ever going to excel in, even when 100% fit. 

Ironically, given we were camped in their half, someone like Jota would probably have been a better bet - given his lack of pace and mobility wouldn't have been a major issue.  Would have been a brave decision to swap them though!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 23, 2020, 01:42:34 PM
If you actually watch the highlight, and yes I realize that is a limited sample size, a lot of our good stuff came through McGinn breaking up play or starting moves. One of our issues as fans with him and Mings is that in our minds elevated them to a status loftier than their actual ability. I think both are adjusting, both are approving, but both have limitations and flaws. McGinn will be fine but he’s probably approaching his ceiling. He’s a top tier squad player but for me he’s a player we need a superior version of starting each week. I don’t know that we are there yet in attracting that level of talent.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: algy on September 23, 2020, 07:56:42 PM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.

As a Celt, I do my best to embody this statement :-)

I don’t know how true a generalisation it is but it does remind me of a story I heard from a mate who played for Wales about how John Hartson’s pre match meal was spaghetti bolognese with a fried egg on top.
My absolute favourite meal is half a deep fried pizza & chips, with battered mars bar & vanilla ice cream for pudding.

Only have it once a year, but my word it's the best day of that year. Usually from a chippy on Queensferry Rd coming out of Edinburgh, which has red white & green neon lights outside, not sure of the name but it's been there for years.

Assuming it's a takeaway, it gets washed down with a bottle of Buckfast. Obviously. :D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 28, 2020, 09:20:38 PM
McGinn's form isn't just a rut any longer. Was tried in at least three different positions tonight and was rubbish. Putting passes out of play when under no pressure. Not showing for possession, not taking players on, not breaking into the box.

If ever there was a player that needs competition for his place it's McGinn.

Well done SJM, back to his best tonight. Will be tougher games ahead but you could visibly see his confidence lifting as the game went on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: themossman on September 28, 2020, 09:22:54 PM
He needed a game like that. Looked like the SJM of old.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on September 28, 2020, 09:28:02 PM
McGinniesta was excellent tonight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on September 28, 2020, 09:29:48 PM
He started to do the whole receiving the ball, turn and drive forward which he was so good at before the injury.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 28, 2020, 09:31:28 PM
Really good tonight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 28, 2020, 09:35:57 PM
That was a smart lay off for Conor to score. Welcome back John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 28, 2020, 09:37:19 PM
Said in interview on 5 live he was playing in pain post lockdown. Still says he's a few games off his best form.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on September 28, 2020, 09:51:44 PM
I’d look to tie him down to a new deal now. Didn’t he sign a new 4 year at the beginning of last season? He’s coming up to 26, in his prime, let’s not let him get to the final 2 years.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on September 29, 2020, 07:23:58 AM
Really good tonight.
Yes super was great.
His only blot was the senseless yellow for running round reckless and throwing  himself unacceptably into a tackle




That the one on Bryan? On the subject of that prick, is it worth forgetting the fact her stupidly rejected us and have a punt on signing him?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 29, 2020, 07:49:30 AM
I thought Bryan played well for them , the plonker
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 29, 2020, 08:13:18 AM
Really good tonight.
Yes super was great.
His only blot was the senseless yellow for running round reckless and throwing  himself unacceptably into a tackle

He wasn't reckless at all, that knob had left one on him earlier in the game and he gave it him back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 29, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Looking better with each game. Hats off to him for the end of last season where he clearly wasn't fully fit and ready but committed enough to keep playing.

Lovely driving run and turn. Slightly lucky with the assist for Hourihane but we won't mention it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 29, 2020, 10:16:22 AM
Lucky how? It looked very deliberate to me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 29, 2020, 10:18:31 AM
Really good tonight.
Yes super was great.
His only blot was the senseless yellow for running round reckless and throwing  himself unacceptably into a tackle

He wasn't reckless at all, that knob had left one on him earlier in the game and he gave it him back.

Well said LeeB. Too fucking right as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 29, 2020, 10:52:33 AM
Lucky how? It looked very deliberate to me.

He was trying to control it for himself and then noticed Hourihane was coming in...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on September 29, 2020, 12:02:17 PM
He was much better last night.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 29, 2020, 12:24:49 PM
Yeah he’s definitely getting back to being SJM again!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 29, 2020, 12:32:40 PM
Loved the pirouette spin he did, confidence was clearly high after the assists. I still think he tries to win too many free kicks with his arse and he anticipates the challenge rather than driving on with the ball but that was a really good performance last night.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 29, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
Loved the pirouette spin he did, confidence was clearly high after the assists. I still think he tries to win too many free kicks with his arse and he anticipates the challenge rather than driving on with the ball but that was a really good performance last night.

Zidane's just a French John McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 29, 2020, 12:56:16 PM
Love the way that prick Bryan goes down injured to try to pretend that he hasn't just been made to look a twat. The twat.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1310633720907542529
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 29, 2020, 01:00:05 PM
John McGinn notched his first and second Premier League assists of the season in the win v Fulham, teeing up Jack Grealish to open the scoring after four minutes before providing for Conor Hourihane on the 15-minute mark. The Scot's two assists came from four key passes at Craven Cottage, while two successful dribbles help McGinn to a WhoScored rating of 8.60.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 29, 2020, 01:01:00 PM
That's the turn someone was asking for!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on October 04, 2020, 09:40:27 PM
He's fucking back!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 04, 2020, 09:47:23 PM
He's fucking back!

With a bang tonight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2020, 09:52:06 PM
That ball from SJM to Jack for his second was absolute filth.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Uknowthescore on October 04, 2020, 09:56:28 PM
Meatballs back
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 04, 2020, 09:58:52 PM
He looked superb and back to the levels we all expect of him. And just said on the post match thread, Barkley will improve the others including SJM and take the pressure off them all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 04, 2020, 09:59:18 PM
Love the way that prick Bryan goes down injured to try to pretend that he hasn't just been made to look a twat. The twat.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1310633720907542529

the one tonight mid way through the 2nd half was so much better, it'll need a health warning on the highlights.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 05, 2020, 04:34:14 AM
If new media darling James Rodriguez, (who has absolutely had a superb start to life in the PL), made the pass at Fulham for Jack’s goal and the pass for Jack’s second tonight they would never stop talking about it. Two absolutely outstanding pieces of skill and judgement. I love SJM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frank black on October 05, 2020, 09:34:10 AM
He’s back!! The bum shuffling pass master
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2020, 11:00:52 AM
It was all there last night, in spades.  The arse into the opposition player to send him flying, and the perfectly hit volley from miles out.  I was really concerned about him, as back end of last season he seemed really out of sorts, but glad I got that wrong as well.  I think I'll stick to talking about finance and watches in future, safer ground.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 09, 2020, 11:27:47 AM
Great pen from him for Scotland last night. Accurate and with enough power to go through the keeper.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on October 09, 2020, 12:08:12 PM
I'm also pleased with John McGinn getting his MOTM award for Scotland.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2020, 05:16:44 PM
His brother Paul has been called up to the squad so at least he won't get lonely.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 09, 2020, 05:21:53 PM
My least favourite Doctor Who.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 14, 2020, 07:08:27 PM
Captains Scotland for the first time tonight. Well done 👏🏿
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Billy Walker on October 14, 2020, 11:35:44 PM
I think John was Man of the Match again tonight?   A great performance by all accounts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 15, 2020, 01:17:12 AM
Good idea from the Scottish boss to give SJM a chance to be MoM by actually allowing him to get onto the f*cking pitch!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on October 15, 2020, 07:11:40 AM
Shame he now has to miss the next two internationals, as is the custom.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 16, 2020, 12:52:53 AM
Let's hope the bench is nice and comfy for him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on October 16, 2020, 08:43:28 AM
Shame he now has to miss the next two internationals, as is the custom.

Was McMount mentioned in the press conference afterwards as being a better player in the few minutes he was on?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
SJM being SJM

https://twitter.com/scotlandnt/status/1317065753871482880?s=21
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on October 16, 2020, 08:30:05 PM
Surprised it wasn't his arse getting in the way of the shot.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on October 16, 2020, 08:40:54 PM
We've had a good line in big arse merchants of the highest quality. Barry, Stan and now SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 16, 2020, 08:44:21 PM
We've had a good line in big arse merchants of the highest quality. Barry, Stan and now SJM.
Heskey.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Louzie0 on October 16, 2020, 09:00:35 PM
We've had a good line in big arse merchants of the highest quality. Barry, Stan and now SJM.
Heskey.
My hero
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on October 16, 2020, 09:00:57 PM
Snodgrass was as well
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 16, 2020, 09:15:22 PM
Can big-arsedness be coached?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 17, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
Ken McNaught, back in t'day.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on October 17, 2020, 10:22:20 AM
Richard Dunne
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on October 17, 2020, 10:33:47 AM
A man who didn't have a big arse but used what he did have to perfection was Kenny Dalgleish. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 17, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
Best use of arse award is still held by Gerd Muller.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on October 18, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
He was immense again tonight, so good to have him back to his best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on October 18, 2020, 10:48:50 PM
A man who didn't have a big arse but used what he did have to perfection was Kenny Dalgleish. 

Mark Hughes was brilliant at using his arse.  SJM does it even better.  Great turn for the pass and goal tonight.  He is getting better each game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave17 on October 19, 2020, 03:38:53 AM
He’s been fantastic. 4 assists already. He’s already picked up 3 bookings so I guess it won’t be long until the settled starting eleven is changed
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on October 19, 2020, 03:58:48 AM
He looks far more suited to playing an advanced role.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2020, 08:14:17 AM
He now seems to be turning and going past players, WITHOUT USING HIS ARSE! What is this sorcery?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 19, 2020, 09:08:16 AM
Close to MOM last night.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on October 19, 2020, 09:13:16 AM
For monthsI have been racking my brains regarding who my favourite Villa player reminds me of in appearance.  It is not a person.  It is a biscuit.  A gingerbread man with two pressed in currants for eyes.  Run run as fast as you can. You can't catch me. I'm the gingerbread man.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on October 23, 2020, 09:48:52 AM
Great video interview with him on Pravda. I like the way he doesn't let the media training prevent his personality come through when answering such bland Pravda questions. I guess it's partly the cheeky Scot scamp in him. Apparently, after struggling with his English, McGinn is the only one Douglas Luiz doesn't understand in training but now Barkley has signed, he won't be the alone!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2020, 09:56:27 AM
For monthsI have been racking my brains regarding who my favourite Villa player reminds me of in appearance.  It is not a person.  It is a biscuit.  A gingerbread man with two pressed in currants for eyes.  Run run as fast as you can. You can't catch me. I'm the gingerbread man.

Hahaha!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2020, 09:57:18 AM
It just great to see him back to his best, he's a truly fabulous player and what a shame we lost him for so long last season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 23, 2020, 11:28:45 AM
It just great to see him back to his best, he's a truly fabulous player and what a shame we lost him for so long last season.

Great to have him and his arse back to full fitness. His enthusiasm is infectious throughout the team
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 23, 2020, 10:38:27 PM
His arse’s fitness not quite at the races tonight. Equally Luiz and Barkley.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on November 08, 2020, 10:09:45 PM
An absolute beast in midfield tonight. Really back to his best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on November 08, 2020, 10:12:42 PM
He was. Best performance in a long time. Really dominant
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 08, 2020, 10:29:35 PM
“Brave-arse”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Astnor on November 08, 2020, 10:31:52 PM
Much involved tonight, one of his better games. Really is he strong in the man to man fights, some muscles on those legs and some low gravity center. Some excelent passes and shot too with his left, his leftfooted?   Does seem to be alongside Luiz somtimes as we then play with two defensive mids? The team was set up like this before the match on the telly anyway. Can be his best position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2020, 10:35:34 PM
Great to see him back at his best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2020, 10:37:28 PM
Him and Luiz seemed to have it worked out really well who was going to break forward, and who was going to sit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 11, 2020, 06:37:21 PM
According to the OS, he's just signed a contract extension till 2025.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on December 11, 2020, 06:37:33 PM
New deal signed until 2025!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mcgrath_85 on December 11, 2020, 06:43:28 PM
I think he needs to lose some weight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on December 11, 2020, 07:37:49 PM
I think he needs to lose some weight.

Same

(I’m not agreeing just saying so do I )
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 11, 2020, 07:57:58 PM
Unlikely to lose weight with a fat new contract to go with his fat arse. Bugger off back to St Mirren!*





*Please don't
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2020, 09:12:53 PM
Just needs to add consistency to his game.  At his best he's excellent and can really have an affect on a game.  At his worst, he's bloody useless.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 11, 2020, 09:14:52 PM
Great that we’ve tied him down to a new contract, hope he quickly gets back to the form to deserve it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on December 11, 2020, 09:35:00 PM
Lange doesn't look very happy (assuming it is Lange).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2020, 09:49:30 PM
Has not looked the same player since his injury
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 11, 2020, 09:57:10 PM
No he hasn’t. There’s been glimpses but he’s not the SJM of old. Hopefully he’ll get it back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 11, 2020, 11:07:04 PM
Has not looked the same player since his injury

I think that's true, by and large, but he has shown the old him in patches.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 11, 2020, 11:07:49 PM
I still love him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sid1964 on December 12, 2020, 10:38:51 AM
Fantastic news - welcome to the £70k a week club - hopefully Jack will take him to London with him in the next break now that John can afford those London prices
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 12, 2020, 10:50:23 AM
Great news
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Zouch Villa on December 12, 2020, 10:55:07 AM
Great news.  Love this man and watching the opposition bounce off his backside.  Just wish he could rediscover his shooting boots to get back to the all round player he is.

Edit: before anyone reports me, this is not a dig at anyone’s sexual practices.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 12, 2020, 12:21:16 PM
Great stuff. Needs to play at the levels of Fulham away and Liverpool at home.

Class is permanent though so the consistency will come.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on December 12, 2020, 01:53:58 PM
His wallet is already weighing him down today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on December 12, 2020, 02:38:38 PM
I thought he did ok today. Much better than in some other games this season. A consistent performance rather than a great one. A great run for the penalty and almost made it hard for Semado not to bring him down. Well done SJM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 12, 2020, 02:41:30 PM
Thought he played ok. Don’t forget he won the pen in the final few minutes showing he’s getting fitter all the time
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 12, 2020, 06:07:47 PM
Pen, and a decent cross that Watkins missed aside, thought McGinn was dreadful again. A passenger in truth with and without the ball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2020, 07:57:38 PM
I thought he did ok. He hasn't quite got back to where he was but he will.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 12, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
Same I thought he did ok, got caught In  Possession a couple of times but was still trying to win the game at the end.
Still not there yet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on December 12, 2020, 08:29:27 PM
Pen, and a decent cross that Watkins missed aside, thought McGinn was dreadful again. A passenger in truth with and without the ball.
LOL
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on December 12, 2020, 08:54:20 PM
Pen, and a decent cross that Watkins missed aside, thought McGinn was dreadful again. A passenger in truth with and without the ball.
LOL

Errrrr, really?

Not you Mister E.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on December 12, 2020, 08:58:57 PM
Same I thought he did ok, got caught In  Possession a couple of times but was still trying to win the game at the end.
Still not there yet.

Agree and thought he looked quite sluggish at times.  I'm not sure that playing in a more deeper role alongside Luiz really suits him and I think if we are going to move forwards then we need a more and physical option in there. 

That might mean a choice between McGinn and Barkley in the more advanced role.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: D.boy on December 14, 2020, 07:41:33 AM
Signed a new 5 year contract apparently
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on December 14, 2020, 10:32:55 AM
Is doing ok good enough for us this season?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on December 17, 2020, 09:51:39 AM
Needs to go carefully as he's got an inevitable suspension coming up one booking away now having 4 cards. The one against Wolves was poor from Mike Dean .
SjM has played every minute this season he'll need a rest at some point be it the suspension ? Or just a rest.


If Barkley's back, might as well get the suspension and rest done at the same time. A few studs down the back of Ben Mee's leg should do the trick.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2020, 01:26:47 PM
When do the yellow cards get reset?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 17, 2020, 01:48:04 PM
From two years ago, but I'd imagine it's the same.

"Any player earning five bookings from his side's first 19 Premier League matches will have to serve a one-match ban in the same competition. Players who accumulate 10 yellow cards in Premier League matches up to and including their sides' 32nd fixture will serve a two-match suspension in the competition."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 17, 2020, 02:30:36 PM
The thing with this is we've got 1 player already out after 10 games and 2 more just 1 booking away but we're not a dirty team and I can't think of many bad challenges we've put in this season. Too many refs are just far too quick to reach for a card for tiny offences right now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 18, 2020, 07:35:34 AM
Much improved game last night. More like his old self.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on December 18, 2020, 07:49:57 AM
I thought he started a bit slowly and was sloppy in possession a couple of times but he really upped it second half and was back to his usual self.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on December 18, 2020, 06:57:17 PM
Got some arse on him...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on December 21, 2020, 09:39:13 AM
Better performance against WBA.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 21, 2020, 10:05:53 AM
His fitness and arse is improving every match
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on December 21, 2020, 10:12:53 AM
I thought he played very well last night, and with his old energy and verve.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 21, 2020, 10:35:03 AM
He has made some sublime passes in the last couple of games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 21, 2020, 10:56:13 AM
Thought he was very impressive in the first half. Less so in the second, left too much of the playmaking to Luiz I thought but maybe was under instruction to push further forward. Really should have buried that header. Needs to work on his shooting from distance, it's gone to pot recently. Our midfield will have much tougher games but it was impressive the complete domination Luiz/McGinn had when it was 11v11.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2020, 03:33:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep2a_vVWwAE7Ub6?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on December 22, 2020, 05:55:25 PM
The man is infectious, and not in a Covid way.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 22, 2020, 06:18:11 PM
Thought he was very impressive in the first half. Less so in the second, left too much of the playmaking to Luiz I thought but maybe was under instruction to push further forward. Really should have buried that header. Needs to work on his shooting from distance, it's gone to pot recently.

Agree about the shooting but the keeper had his header covered at the near post. Great move though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 25, 2020, 02:40:43 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1342398565797257218?s=21
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on December 25, 2020, 02:48:15 PM
What a guy!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SaddVillan on December 25, 2020, 04:05:31 PM
Mad as a box of frogs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: nigel on December 25, 2020, 06:35:47 PM
Matt Target is his next door neighbour.
He was asked what SJM is like as a neighbour.
He said he’s great, but you have to be on guard as he has a habit of jumping out of the hedge at you 😂
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 25, 2020, 07:02:12 PM
Images of SJM sitting in a hedge for hours waiting for Targett to come out of his house.
Love the man and the player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on December 25, 2020, 08:20:40 PM
Brilliant, love it and hope he has a blinder tomorrow
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on December 26, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
Images of SJM sitting in a hedge for hours waiting for Targett to come out of his house.
Love the man and the player.
"Not now, Kato!"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 26, 2020, 09:46:52 AM
Images of SJM sitting in a hedge for hours waiting for Targett to come out of his house.
Love the man and the player.
"Not now, Kato!"

Excellent (but may have to explain to the younger ones)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2020, 10:22:23 PM
He played well today, the first time pass into feet for the first goal was excellent. He still needs some competition but he's playing well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on December 28, 2020, 07:28:30 PM
Dresses as a turkey. Plays like an absolute beast.

What a shift tonight. Herculean.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 28, 2020, 07:43:38 PM
Massive performance tonight, well done SJM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2020, 07:44:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqFD7KQXUAE73Ac?format=jpg&name=medium)

Just love this bloke. What a performance today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 28, 2020, 07:46:54 PM
I didn't realise that he has the best running stats in the team, better than Watkins.

Just shows what you miss when watching the game on TV- well what I miss, at least.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2020, 07:51:03 PM
Any remaining fitness concerns long gone.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2020, 07:56:01 PM
Being asked to play a different role and seems to be getting better and better at it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2020, 07:56:29 PM
He's an absolute hero. Shame that shot didn't dip an inch under the bar. Unlike previous Villa teams, would have fancied this lot to hold on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on December 28, 2020, 08:06:54 PM
Colossal performance tonight. Full of energy and tenacity. Rsttles the bar too, so unlucky.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: supertom on December 28, 2020, 08:47:35 PM
McGinn and Milner on a last man standing cross country run...who drops first? Fkn hell. McGinn's probably running up the M40 as we speak.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on December 28, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
What a performance he's brilliant.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 28, 2020, 09:33:47 PM
He's going to get better.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 29, 2020, 11:26:56 AM
Dean even acknowledged his arse on the post-match Prime interview. After the watershed so I guess there was no need to censor it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on December 29, 2020, 11:32:38 AM
Colossal performance tonight. Full of energy and tenacity. Rsttles the bar too, so unlucky.

Yep, where others were obviously flagging from back to back games he looked as though he could play again tonight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Singapore Villa on December 29, 2020, 01:13:08 PM
Fit as a butcher’s dog
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
How can anyone not love this bloke?

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1343874906363101185?s=21
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 29, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
I'm super looking forward to McGinn vs Grealish at the euros
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on December 29, 2020, 06:04:36 PM
What was it £2.75 million?  How much now?  He's been superb just lately.  I'd like to see him add a few goals to his game but what a cracking player he's turning out to be, love him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on January 20, 2021, 08:58:20 PM
He looked absolutely dead on his arse after an hour.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2021, 09:05:13 PM
His cross field passes need a bit of work....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on January 20, 2021, 09:06:52 PM
He had every right to be dead on his arse, the amount of work he was putting in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on January 20, 2021, 09:10:14 PM
His cross field passes need a bit of work....

It's not easy to hit pin point cross field passes when you've gassed your legs because you've done a lot of running immediately before. I think he hit one straight after a quick interchange of passes too and just gauged it wrong. It would be a bit unfair to start picking individual errors out though when we don't know who had Covid, how recently or where they are fitness-wise.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2021, 09:16:06 PM
Is he banned for the weekend after being booked?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 20, 2021, 09:16:24 PM
Is he banned for the weekend after being booked?

Yep.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on January 20, 2021, 09:22:38 PM
Newcastle play over their midfield anyway so hopefully he wont be a miss.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on January 20, 2021, 09:26:00 PM
Just start with Ramsey. Or go and get Morgan Sanson signed up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2021, 09:30:43 PM
Newcastle play over their midfield anyway so hopefully he wont be a miss.

6 games in 18 games Smith said after the game so he will have to rotate anyway.

Ideal game for Ramsey and AEG will likely come back in too. Barkley maybe to sit it out from the start. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 20, 2021, 09:54:00 PM
Can’t even recall SJM being booked, thought yellows tonight were Dougie and Taylor? Oh well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2021, 10:00:28 PM
Guess it means he's fresh for Burnley and Morgan might be in the door by Saturday too. Be happy with Ramsey at 8 against a very limited Newcastle.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 20, 2021, 10:14:34 PM
Would sanson have to self isolate for a period?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 06, 2021, 05:16:46 PM
Yeah, the Real McGinn showed up last 10 mins-remarkable late match energy
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 06, 2021, 09:30:49 PM
I gave him an 8 today vs Arsenal thought he had super energy and had all requirements in his role. Pressed well and raised his standard.
Good to have him playing so well



Loads of energy today, a right nuisance.  As is often the case with McGinn, if we win he gets an 8, lose and it’s a 6.5. Just lacking that moment of absolute quality to cement his, err quality. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 06, 2021, 09:42:05 PM
I gave him an 8 today vs Arsenal thought he had super energy and had all requirements in his role. Pressed well and raised his standard.
Good to have him playing so well
Played well. I'd like to see him in the #10 role.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Keeno on February 06, 2021, 09:53:02 PM
Yeah thought he was very good today alongside a player in Nakamba who doesn't feed him the ball to drive forward as well as Dougie does.

Always the engine room of the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on February 07, 2021, 02:41:47 PM
McGinn telling Dyche where to go.

Link for audio  (https://twitter.com/TyBracey/status/1358401645726609411?s=09)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on February 07, 2021, 02:53:17 PM
Fucking hell 😂😂
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 07, 2021, 04:36:00 PM
Quick Scottish sass there and no mistake. I wonder did it cause Dyche to ponder his coat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 07, 2021, 04:37:28 PM
Superb.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: colin69 on February 07, 2021, 04:44:22 PM
Class
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave on February 07, 2021, 05:05:12 PM
Further evidence for the Football Ramble being one of the best things in football broadcasting.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: shirley_villan on February 07, 2021, 05:32:24 PM
‘You big prick’.

I didn’t think I could love SJM any more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 07, 2021, 05:57:01 PM
He’s ace! Good one
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on February 07, 2021, 05:59:18 PM
Brilliant
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mellin on February 07, 2021, 09:36:12 PM
Quick Scottish sass there and no mistake. I wonder did it cause Dyche to ponder his coat.

I went to the final day of the Edgbaston test in the last Ashes. Siddle spent most of the day at the Birmingham End and there was some good natured back and forth. I gave him some stick about having his collar up and how we don't do that in England. He spent the next 10 minutes going to adjust it and then stopping himself. Was pretty satisfying, but he had the last laugh when he turned and gave it ten once we'd been skittled for sod all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2021, 10:48:44 PM
‘You big prick’.

I didn’t think I could love SJM any more.

That bit did for me!  The shit coat comment was funny enough, but that was just the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on February 08, 2021, 03:07:16 PM
Is there a pitch-side mic anywhere that picked that up? I'd LOVE to hear it!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 08, 2021, 04:02:21 PM
Dyche has had a fair bit of player back-chat in the last week or two:

Quote
At one stage, Burnley manager Sean Dyche could be heard roaring at Robbie Brady to pay attention to Hudson-Odoi’s runs, to which the Irishman had a very honest response.

“Tune in!” Dyche ordered, according to The Athletic’s Chelsea correspondent Liam Twomey.

“I know where he f**king is, I just can’t stop him,” Brady responded. “What do you want me to do?!"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 13, 2021, 10:17:34 PM
His best game for us of late in my opinion was away at Chelsea which was our 2nd game in 3 days. Since then he’s hasn’t been the SJM which I dearly want him to be.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 13, 2021, 10:19:08 PM
Looks well off the pace. Gave the ball away a lot. Not sure this role suits him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on February 13, 2021, 10:23:27 PM
Love him but he was very disappointing tonight.  Constantly gave the ball away and lost that drive he normally has.  Get better SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2021, 10:26:56 PM
I’d rest him - Morgan showed plenty in his cameo.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on February 13, 2021, 10:52:19 PM
Won the ball, or put a block in on plenty of occasions. ( 6 interceptions, 3 clearances ).

Unfortunately he was every bit as bad offensively as he was good defensively. It can't be easy for him or Luiz when for most of the game they're outnumbered three to two.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 14, 2021, 01:29:24 AM
Another player sacrificed to play out of position. Was that the first time he's played on the left? He loses 50% of his game being a defensive midfielder. I'm sure Conor sympathises.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 14, 2021, 07:54:00 PM
I feel sorry for him gives 110% but struggles so much of the time.  He’s certainly not a defensive midfielder far too clumsy with possession and fouls.    His bet asset is moving forward with the ball abd the occasional shot on goal
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2021, 09:36:27 PM
He's got 1 league goal in something like 40 games now, being the defensive midfielder definitely doesn't suit his natural game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on February 14, 2021, 09:42:20 PM
There are mitigating factors to McGinns poor form not least the defensive midfielder bit but as much as I love him is he a regular starter in a top 6 Premier League team? I think he's most at risk from any major midfield spending this summer.

However that's a discussion for the summer, how do we get the best out of him now. I like the 2 x 8s theory being banded about elsewhere with Doug sitting as a number 6.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 14, 2021, 10:17:24 PM
There are mitigating factors to McGinns poor form not least the defensive midfielder bit but as much as I love him is he a regular starter in a top 6 Premier League team? I think he's most at risk from any major midfield spending this summer.

However that's a discussion for the summer, how do we get the best out of him now. I like the 2 x 8s theory being banded about elsewhere with Doug sitting as a number 6.

The formation West Ham drove a horse and cart through only a couple of weeks back?

Agreed on McGinn's form. Think he struggles with a high press. His big arse only covers for a ropey enough first touch and his range of passing is quite limited. He looks to be running on empty too last few games. No zip to his movement at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 14, 2021, 10:30:03 PM
I thought he looked quite resilient under pressure in possession, he just seemed quick to join in with the mode du jour of giving the ball back with a shoddy pass after doing the hard bit.

I'm blaming the blue shorts, they're as cursed as claret socks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on February 15, 2021, 08:11:37 AM
We didn't play a diamond against West Ham.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 15, 2021, 09:03:17 AM
Guardian highlights McGinn's performance on Saturday in their review of the weekend's Premier League here (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/feb/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekends-action)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 15, 2021, 10:46:10 AM
He's got 1 league goal in something like 40 games now, being the defensive midfielder definitely doesn't suit his natural game.
I wish we could allow him more attacking freedom, he is not an ideal 10 but he would not give defenders in posession an easy ride.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 10:49:12 AM
Guardian highlights McGinn's performance on Saturday in their review of the weekend's Premier League here (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/feb/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekends-action)

Seems a very strange match to highlight his performance to be honest, I thought he was largely awful.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lsvilla on February 15, 2021, 11:03:32 AM
I thought he looked quite resilient under pressure in possession, he just seemed quick to join in with the mode du jour of giving the ball back with a shoddy pass after doing the hard bit.

I'm blaming the blue shorts, they're as cursed as claret socks.
It’s because I bought a pair (of the shorts).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on February 15, 2021, 11:57:04 AM
Needs dropping.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on February 15, 2021, 12:08:38 PM
I took from that article to say that McGinn and Luiz are doing a better job of protecting the back 5 this season than they did last season. We would have lost that game last season, probably by some margin. The squad needs to evolve over the next few windows to a point that nobody is a guaranteed starter and there are genuine options to change things around without having performance levels drop off. If we can bring some of our kids through that will help too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on February 15, 2021, 12:10:41 PM
Needs dropping.

Barkley needs dropping before McGinn - bring in Sanson and give McGinn a bit more freedom to get forward.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Seems to be taking an unnecessary touch too often of late, although he wasn't alone with that in Saturday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Baldy on February 15, 2021, 12:50:38 PM
Seems to be taking an unnecessary touch too often of late, although he wasn't alone with that in Saturday.

When marking him, opponents have learnt to keep a meter distance from McGinn.

Previously, they marked tighter, John would stoop, poke out his arse, push the opponent away and swivel quickly.

Now when he pokes out his arse he is only hitting fresh air.

To adapt, he probably needs a few more touches of the ball.  :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on February 15, 2021, 01:02:13 PM
Seems to be taking an unnecessary touch too often of late, although he wasn't alone with that in Saturday.

When marking him, opponents have learnt to keep a meter distance from McGinn.

Previously, they marked tighter, John would stoop, poke out his arse, push the opponent away and swivel quickly.

Now when he pokes out his arse he is only hitting fresh air.

To adapt, he probably needs a few more touches of the ball.  :)

Or grow a bigger arse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Baldy on February 15, 2021, 01:06:24 PM
Seems to be taking an unnecessary touch too often of late, although he wasn't alone with that in Saturday.

When marking him, opponents have learnt to keep a meter distance from McGinn.

Previously, they marked tighter, John would stoop, poke out his arse, push the opponent away and swivel quickly.

Now when he pokes out his arse he is only hitting fresh air.

To adapt, he probably needs a few more touches of the ball.  :)

Or grow a bigger arse.

Could be dangerous with VAR.  :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: usav on February 15, 2021, 02:23:04 PM
Not passing the ball directly to the opposition right outside our penalty area would also help.  He was guilty of that several times on Saturday. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2021, 02:56:24 PM
Not passing the ball directly to the opposition right outside our penalty area would also help.  He was guilty of that several times on Saturday. 

Yes, although I was also going mad as every time Brighton aimed a long ball forward we happily nodded the bloody ball back to them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
This is probably sacrilege, but if we finish top 10 then the next step of moving towards top 6 would probably need a better central midfielder than McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 16, 2021, 05:46:39 PM
No way. McGinn is great and has to stay.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2021, 05:55:54 PM
He needs to learn new tricks. He always plays for a foul, needs to get stronger and move some of his arse muscles to his upper body.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: algy on February 16, 2021, 06:08:13 PM
No way. McGinn is great and has to stay.
I agree. Love the guy, he absolutely belongs in a top 6 midfield.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2021, 08:16:58 PM
No way. McGinn is great and has to stay.
I agree. Love the guy, he absolutely belongs in a top 6 midfield.

He doesn't. He's midtable to bottom half at best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 16, 2021, 08:25:34 PM
You hate everyone 😀
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2021, 08:34:10 PM
I don't :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2021, 11:01:34 PM
McGinn has been a brilliant bargain for us and is a good player but he's doesn't have the attributes or consistency for top 6.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 16, 2021, 11:37:06 PM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.

You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.

We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 17, 2021, 07:46:22 AM
I think you could count SJM 7+ performances this season on one hand. That is not good enough to be ar regular top 6 , euro comp player.

I love the guy  and would love him to stay in the squad but we will need better 1st team starters to progress im afraid
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on February 17, 2021, 07:57:16 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.

You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.

We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.

Exactly, Des Bremner was just as important as Gordon Cowans.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2021, 10:08:24 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.

You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.

We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.

To be fair to him, I think Smith is shoehorning him into the side. He's not a defensive midfielder and he looks shit trying to be one.  Can't see why Smith doesn't give him a go in Barkley's position, and bring Nakamba in to partner Luiz.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on February 17, 2021, 10:22:39 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.

You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.

We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.

To be fair to him, I think Smith is shoehorning him into the side. He's not a defensive midfielder and he looks shit trying to be one.  Can't see why Smith doesn't give him a go in Barkley's position, and bring Nakamba in to partner Luiz.

I'd love to see that. Maybe when Sanson is settled it might happen. For whatever reason I don't think Smith trusts a midfield of Nakamba and Luiz.

McGinn has four assists in the PL this season, second only to Grealish with ten. So that might be why he's reluctant to take him out. As we rely on Grealish for creativity so much already.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2021, 11:17:01 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.

You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.

We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.

To be fair to him, I think Smith is shoehorning him into the side. He's not a defensive midfielder and he looks shit trying to be one.  Can't see why Smith doesn't give him a go in Barkley's position, and bring Nakamba in to partner Luiz.

Nakamba is nowhere near good enough unfortunately. Our big problem at the moment is that our midfield duo aren't able to break the opposition press so Mings has to go long too often to Watkins. Nakamba won't improve that at all. I'm hoping that's Sanson's best position, certainly seems to have tidy footwork but the EPL is far more physical than the French league. Suspect he may need a summer in the gym to be fully ready to start regularly there.

Perhaps McGinn was one of those with covid. I don't think he has had a 7 or 8 /10 performance since (exception may be the Newcastle game). Medium/Long term I don't think he has the skill set or tactical discipline to play in that midfield two. In off the right I think is his best position with Cash overlapping outside him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 17, 2021, 11:28:16 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.

You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.

We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.

To be fair to him, I think Smith is shoehorning him into the side. He's not a defensive midfielder and he looks shit trying to be one.  Can't see why Smith doesn't give him a go in Barkley's position, and bring Nakamba in to partner Luiz.
yep, he is not a defensive midfielder and nor is Luiz. So we are shohorning both of them but Luiz looks the more natural in that position. Would love to see what SJM would do in the Barkley position, lots more than Ross I suspect.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 17, 2021, 11:30:43 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.

You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.

We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.

Exactly, Des Bremner was just as important as Gordon Cowans.

Agree.

SJM has returned from a serious injury and played a significant part of the season “out of position.” When we have won this is taken for granted but when we lose he goes from “Super” to plain John. Douglas Luiz is also acclimatising to a new position, both in my opinion have, on the whole, done pretty well especially taking into account 12 clean sheets! I do think that it’s not SJMs best position but he’s doing a good job for the team and I applaud that. I’m sure that Dean recognises all this and will have a cunning plan and addition to fill this role in the summer. I am definitely in SJM camp and think that he’s still got more to offer than we’ve already seen
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on February 17, 2021, 11:49:54 AM
...I am definitely in SJM camp
I used to be but not anymore.
He was outstanding in the Championship but I've not seen it replicated since we were promoted.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 17, 2021, 12:15:55 PM
...I am definitely in SJM camp
I used to be but not anymore.
He was outstanding in the Championship but I've not seen it replicated since we were promoted.
I definitely am, I just think like Risso said he’s playing out of position. He’s so more effective higher up the pitch. Before our Covid break he was playing very well and he was starting to look like his old self before his injury.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on February 17, 2021, 05:48:35 PM
Best fat arsed midfielder since Barry, and he was alright too.  Playing deeper this year so I think we aren't getting the best from him.  Would like to see Sanson in his spot and McGinn replace Barkley on Sunday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2021, 06:08:02 PM
Best fat arsed midfielder since Barry, and he was alright too.  Playing deeper this year so I think we aren't getting the best from him.  Would like to see Sanson in his spot and McGinn replace Barkley on Sunday.

i love the man, but I can't see Dean Smith doing anything as radical as that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: algy on February 17, 2021, 06:14:51 PM
McGinn has been a brilliant bargain for us and is a good player but he's doesn't have the attributes or consistency for top 6.
I think he's already a first team midfielder in a top 8 side, who are 4pts behind a top 6 side with 2 games in hand.

I don't think it's a ridiculous leap to say that SJM is a top 6 midfielder.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on February 17, 2021, 06:40:27 PM
I don't think having a 10 is working right now, I'd play McGinn and Sanson as box-to-box midfielders either side of Luiz who needs to get back to doing the Pirlo role and not having to track into the fullback areas so much.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2021, 07:50:47 PM
I don't think having a 10 is working right now, I'd play McGinn and Sanson as box-to-box midfielders either side of Luiz who needs to get back to doing the Pirlo role and not having to track into the fullback areas so much.

It's not.  We've gone back to giving away 20+ shots a game, and that's not a good way of winning games. A more usual flat 4-3-3 with Sanson next to McGinn and Luiz as you suggest should be the way forward. Grealish and Traore/Trez either side of Ollie, depending on the circumstances. I'd be starting Trez there at the weekend.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
I don't think having a 10 is working right now, I'd play McGinn and Sanson as box-to-box midfielders either side of Luiz who needs to get back to doing the Pirlo role and not having to track into the fullback areas so much.

I don't think Luiz is good enough (yet) to play that role by himself. Any time we play with "two 8s" like against West Ham we get destroyed in midfield.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
What has happened to him.  I hate the position he is playing in, certainly doesn't suit him he is best coming through with the ball even when 99% of his shots go over, but he was having a go.  He now looks a spare in the team.  And I don't like the extra timber he's carrying.  Should be doing better but definitely not all down to him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Daley’s dreads on March 07, 2021, 04:14:42 PM
I must be one of the few that thinks he looks more like the McGinn of old lately then! Thought he was brilliant during the first half last night. I do think needs to lose a little weight though and definitely should not be played as a holding midfielder. I’d definitely keep him unless we get a ridiculous offer. He’s still my first choice centre mid atm although there’s not exactly stiff completion!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2021, 04:20:05 PM
McGinn is getting better as the season progresses
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on March 07, 2021, 04:27:35 PM
Thought SJM was back to something like his old self yesterday. Made a difference higher up the pitch too where he is much more effective. He isn't really a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john2710 on March 07, 2021, 04:28:38 PM
He was much more like his old self during the first half last night. He needs to be playing further forward otherwise he's only half the player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on March 07, 2021, 05:46:15 PM
I think in the promotion year he was a big part in us winning games and getting promoted. Now, I’m not sure what he brings to the team. Good first half last night and has looked better recently but still a ? For me.  The £50m quoted in the media 18 months ago seems a life time ago. I think we will look to replace him if we want to progress. Harsh but fair IMO
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 07, 2021, 05:52:40 PM
I think teams  have started to work him out, when he dips his body to protect the ball as he runs  through - we all want him to succeed just can't see what he's  bringing to the party right now, but football is all about opinions I guess
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 07, 2021, 06:09:57 PM
He was much more like his old self during the first half last night. He needs to be playing further forward otherwise he's only half the player.

Agreed, John. When all in front of him were clueless, he was trying to feed the ball through into the spaces and drive the team on. Beyond the defence he was the only leader out there. I just feel he's asked to do too much, be too many different types of player rather than being allowed to be the player we all know he can be. His shooting needs some work though but it will come.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 07, 2021, 06:19:25 PM
I like Mcginn, hopefully he starts getting forward a bit more. He seems to play better with Nakamba than Luiz
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 07, 2021, 07:14:15 PM
Agree I thought SJM is improving every match. I think he has been asked to play out of his preferred position to help Luiz this season which has proved difficult in some matches. I feel that he needs to play a bit further forward for us to see him back at his best. I love the guy because he’s a real team player which he’s proved by playing wherever he’s told to.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on March 08, 2021, 11:51:53 AM
I'm obviously watching a different game every match day.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 08, 2021, 04:16:43 PM
McGinn is an average to decent attacking midfielder in Premier League terms. As a defensive midfielder, I think he's below average to poor. When he plays as a two in front of the defence with Luiz he's crap, he looked quite a bit better in a proper 4-3-3 getting forward more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 08, 2021, 04:49:33 PM
Agreed with Risso, also his style going forward would gain us more free kicks in dangerous positions instead of relying on Jack all the time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on March 08, 2021, 04:56:04 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 08, 2021, 06:12:40 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.
I've thought that, Lee. I could see us playing 2 forwards - Watkins plus Barry, Traore, Wesley, AN other - with a fluid midfield 4 that allows McGinn and JG to drift wide as required.
Or, as you say, maintain the 4-3-3 with McGinn as part of the front three.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 08, 2021, 06:15:45 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.

He's got the skill and the quick feet but possibly not the pace to make that a success.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 08, 2021, 06:54:08 PM
An attacking
midfielder for me , he is best at finding  a threaded pass at the moment
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on March 08, 2021, 07:12:00 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.

He's got the skill and the quick feet but possibly not the pace to make that a success.

He's got decent acceleration though and he's clever enough to work half a yard, I don't think he needs to be full on rapid.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 08, 2021, 09:26:30 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.

He's got the skill and the quick feet but possibly not the pace to make that a success.

He's got decent acceleration though and he's clever enough to work half a yard, I don't think he needs to be full on rapid.

You could be right. He'd almost certainly not be as shite there as the other three consistently are.  Need to develop him as the new Snodgrass.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on March 08, 2021, 09:31:01 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.

He's got the skill and the quick feet but possibly not the pace to make that a success.

He's got decent acceleration though and he's clever enough to work half a yard, I don't think he needs to be full on rapid.

You could be right. He'd almost certainly not be as shite there as the other three consistently are.  Need to develop him as the new Snodgrass.
I like this idea. I really like McGinn and he’s so much better further forward. He can really cause havoc and get amongst the goals which were really lacking at the moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 08, 2021, 09:35:22 PM
Yeah agree, we have really missed his goals this season, obviously due to playing a more defensive role. A waste in my opinion
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on March 08, 2021, 09:49:59 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.

He's got the skill and the quick feet but possibly not the pace to make that a success.

He's got decent acceleration though and he's clever enough to work half a yard, I don't think he needs to be full on rapid.

You could be right. He'd almost certainly not be as shite there as the other three consistently are.  Need to develop him as the new Snodgrass.

Snodgrass was exactly the player I had in mind when thinking of it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 08, 2021, 09:50:31 PM
McGinn is an average to decent attacking midfielder in Premier League terms. As a defensive midfielder, I think he's below average to poor. When he plays as a two in front of the defence with Luiz he's crap, he looked quite a bit better in a proper 4-3-3 getting forward more.

Crap is very strong....there were games like Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd, Newcastle, Arsenal where he played very well in a deeper role next to Luiz. But I think ultimately he isn't that comfortable receiving the ball facing his own goal. Teams I think have copped onto that in recent weeks and pressed our midfield leaving Mings with little option but to go direct to Watkins. It's worse when Jack isn't there obviously as another option but the Luiz/McGinn combo was dreadful against Southampton and Brighton too. Nakamba obviously isn't going to help ball retention either so it's an area we need to strengthen.

As with others I think in off the right is likely his best position. It's where he played a lot for us in the championship and early last season if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2021, 09:32:28 AM
He still slows things down too much when receiving the ball in a tight space. He doesn't back himself to have the strength or skill to fend off an opponent at will hence the bum steering and looking for a foul where possible.

Then again, he's always trying to push us forward and his first time through balls are consistently top notch.

Such a frustrating player but then we have a lot of them hence upper mid-table is where we live.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on March 13, 2021, 07:25:28 AM
Poor again for me last night.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2021, 08:15:49 AM
I thought he did alright last night, but he doesn’t have to same drive from midfield he used to have. That might be because he’s being asked to play a different role, but if that’s the case we need someone else to get forward from the midfield. At the moment we just end up with this huge chasm of space between Ollie and everyone else.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on March 13, 2021, 09:35:48 AM
Definitely a position we can improve on in the Summer. Games are just passing him by this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Baldy on March 13, 2021, 09:53:46 AM
A busy bee who has lost his sting.

Alas, not top six material.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mr underhill on March 13, 2021, 10:30:32 AM
that major injury has had the same debilitating effect Kodjia's had on him. The super prefix has gone.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 13, 2021, 10:34:28 AM
Cant see that prefix going.
The song doesn't sound the same
" We've got Mcginn"
"John Mcginn"
As far as I'm concerned for what he's done for us its staying.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on March 13, 2021, 10:48:41 AM
Definitely a position we can improve on in the Summer. Games are just passing him by this season.

I'm not sure though that we have been using him effectively. The defensive midfielder role that he has played more recently negates his forward energy and drive.

In the first three games this season he had 3 assists and one goal but he hasn't really held that more forward position throughout the season. I'm still a big fan. Having two defensively minded midfielders to create a base is fine but I don't think that SJM should be one of them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 13, 2021, 10:56:07 AM
A busy bee who has lost his sting.

Alas, not top six material.

Don’t agree with this to be honest. He was the one trying to drive us forwards last night, he played one sublime 40 yard pass to Trez in the first half, predictably Trez took one touch then tripped over his own feet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on March 13, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
Is one of those raking balls a game enough ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 13, 2021, 11:14:01 AM
No not in it’s own, but I think he did two or three of them. He seems to me to be having one decent half every game at the moment, but I still think he’s a good player and is being written off in some quarters too early.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nelly on March 13, 2021, 11:19:37 AM
Barkley has some decent moments last night, he also had a fair few mishaps - one Newcastle hit the bar from I think? I don't know if we're looking for a stronger passer in that deep midfield area but I'd play McGinn where Barkley was before anyone else.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on March 13, 2021, 01:39:21 PM
I thought he played well first half but went missing in the second half.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on March 15, 2021, 01:39:31 AM
Should have closed down the cross for the equaliser a bit quicker, as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 15, 2021, 07:27:11 AM
Just like Conor, has been great for us but not good enough for where we want to be.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2021, 10:07:04 AM
Jesus.

Who do we think we are? He may not have hit top form after returning from injury but he's been brilliant for us. Why are people so keen to look for scapegoats and peopel to move on after each poor result or run of games?

McGinn, Mings, Luiz, Konsa, Targett. All players that have been lauded and then vilified and suggested we should do better. How abotu giving them a chance. Look at what Targett is producing, look what Konsa is doing. See how good the others have been. We're not Champions League regulars, we're in our second season back in the Premier League.

It seems that a couple of poor performances can ruin a player on here, despite what potential they show and however many good performances they may have delivered before.

We're trying new things, players in different positions, let's see how it works, see how they develop before writing them off. McGinn is 26 and the best is yet to come.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2021, 10:30:50 AM
Not sure why SJM is being singled out, there has been a lack of end product with his final pass, he has faded but that is due to him trying too hard.
I think the midfield structure is wrong which gets shown up with Jack out the team.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on March 15, 2021, 11:02:51 AM
I think there is a middle ground and that would be bringing someone in so that SJM is no longer guaranteed a starting place regardless of form. Add more competition to the squad and make players earn or retain their place in the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Moonraker on March 15, 2021, 11:29:48 AM
Couldnt agree with you more Drummond.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on March 15, 2021, 11:38:41 AM
I think SJM is like quite a few Villa players, they need one or two more JGs in the side to be more effective. We saw at the start of the season how well they can play but we have so few quality options that when you lose your one player of genuine brilliance it really has a dramatic effect on confidence, that's why this summer trading period is vital.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 15, 2021, 01:38:16 PM
In total agreement Drummond
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 15, 2021, 01:49:37 PM
Absolutely spot on Drummond.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 15, 2021, 02:06:41 PM
Excellent post, totally agree Drummond.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2021, 02:37:49 PM
Oh shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on March 15, 2021, 02:49:03 PM
Well said Drummond
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2021, 03:56:44 PM
I thought that it was a load of nonsense personally! ;)

Why do people get so het up with people having a differing opinion?  It seems to me that opining that McGinn not being good enough for where we want to be isn't really something to get so worked up over.  At his consistent best he's probably good enough for the top 6-8; the way he's playing recently, he looks more like a mid to lower table player. However, I do think he's mostly been played out of position this season, as a lot of the time when chosen as a defensive midfielder he's looked quite poor. While still not quite back to his best he's looked better recently, playing in a more orthodox midfield three.  At present I think there are a good number of players who need replacing before him, assuming a similar level of investment this summer as in the last couple of years.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on March 15, 2021, 05:19:33 PM
Too many posters react as though this is FIFA 2021 or whatever the latest Football manager game is. In real life we should be glad the likes of SJM are happy to play for Villa, a club on the up and hopefully they will be rewarded.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 16, 2021, 12:11:17 AM
Too many posters react as though this is FIFA 2021 or whatever the latest Football manager game is. In real life we should be glad the likes of SJM are happy to play for Villa, a club on the up and hopefully they will be rewarded.

McGinn has been average enough this season in truth. Some decent performances at times in the deeper role but over time he has struggled there. It's hardly heresy to suggest he needs competition for his place. Perhaps should have been rotated out of the side at times this season as has played a lot of football for club and country.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 16, 2021, 08:20:02 AM
It sounds - and is - harsh to call him a good Championship player. He's way too good for the Championship, but at this level I don't think he does any one thing so excellently that he ought to be a guaranteed starter for us. A squad player for me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 16, 2021, 08:43:58 AM
Easy to forget with McGinn, he’s come from the Scottish premier, not the highest quality at the moment. Had one year in the championship, where he was excellent, then less than half a season in the premier league before a pretty serious injury. This is his first full season in the premier league and he’s being played in an unfamiliar position. Needs to have another season I think, before being judged as to whether he’s good enough for a team with top six aspirations.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 16, 2021, 08:50:55 AM
Easy to forget with McGinn, he’s come from the Scottish premier, not the highest quality at the moment. Had one year in the championship, where he was excellent, then less than half a season in the premier league before a pretty serious injury. This is his first full season in the premier league and he’s being played in an unfamiliar position. Needs to have another season I think, before being judged as to whether he’s good enough for a team with top six aspirations.

Hibs are my 'Scottish team', in that if I chance upon them playing I want them to win, so I'm no expert, but I think he might have been playing in the Scottish second tier when we bought him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 16, 2021, 10:53:19 AM
He played one season in the Premiership with Hibs before signing for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 16, 2021, 11:51:42 AM
Easy to forget with McGinn, he’s come from the Scottish premier, not the highest quality at the moment. Had one year in the championship, where he was excellent, then less than half a season in the premier league before a pretty serious injury. This is his first full season in the premier league and he’s being played in an unfamiliar position. Needs to have another season I think, before being judged as to whether he’s good enough for a team with top six aspirations.

Hibs are my 'Scottish team', in that if I chance upon them playing I want them to win, so I'm no expert, but I think he might have been playing in the Scottish second tier when we bought him.

They're mine too for the same reason and I have a mate who supports them who used to live up that way. 

McGinn has been okay this season. I wish that disallowed goal he scored at Arsenal stood or that rasping shot he had against Chelsea had gone in as he needs a goal or two to give him a bit more confidence in his game.  That's what he's lacking in my opinion.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on March 19, 2021, 09:54:35 AM
He's been interviewed for Football Focus tomorrow. In the preview clip he discusses his nickname in Scotland (inventive - "Meatball"), at Villa (boring - "Ginny") and his new one back in Scotland again (resourceful - "Guinea Pig").
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 19, 2021, 10:35:32 AM
He's been interviewed for Football Focus tomorrow. In the preview clip he discusses his nickname in Scotland (inventive - "Meatball"), at Villa (boring - "Ginny") and his new one back in Scotland again (resourceful - "Guinea Pig").

I'd go with McGinnster's Pasty
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on March 19, 2021, 11:02:45 AM
Ginny's more practical when you're calling for the ball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on March 19, 2021, 01:04:56 PM
Good point.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on March 22, 2021, 05:13:31 PM
Jesus.

Who do we think we are? He may not have hit top form after returning from injury but he's been brilliant for us. Why are people so keen to look for scapegoats and peopel to move on after each poor result or run of games?

McGinn, Mings, Luiz, Konsa, Targett. All players that have been lauded and then vilified and suggested we should do better. How abotu giving them a chance. Look at what Targett is producing, look what Konsa is doing. See how good the others have been. We're not Champions League regulars, we're in our second season back in the Premier League.

It seems that a couple of poor performances can ruin a player on here, despite what potential they show and however many good performances they may have delivered before.

We're trying new things, players in different positions, let's see how it works, see how they develop before writing them off. McGinn is 26 and the best is yet to come.


Totally agree with you Drummond.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 22, 2021, 06:41:23 PM
Too early to write him off, but the coaching staff need to play players to their strengths. I'm not sure SJM is being.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on March 22, 2021, 06:54:53 PM
Is he called Ginny because of his arse?

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 22, 2021, 07:30:14 PM
He showed for the ball more than any other midfielder, he worked his nuts off. Yes he made a few mistakes but I really think the criticism is unwarranted. He is trying to cover back as well as drive attacks.
The midfield does not look balanced, it actually looked better with Nakamba.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 22, 2021, 08:26:12 PM
He showed for the ball more than any other midfielder, he worked his nuts off. Yes he made a few mistakes but I really think the criticism is unwarranted. He is trying to cover back as well as drive attacks.
The midfield does not look balanced, it actually looked better with Nakamba.

Agreed, he is making mistakes but when trying to do the right thing. That's across this rancid run, one of the few players to get a pass for me. Sanson's struggles maybe can be expected but Luiz was pretty much hiding v Spurs. McGinn was trying to cover all that. Thought he played some good passes down the left channel at times.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on March 25, 2021, 09:35:19 PM
Just after Ollie scored, SJM banged in an overhead kick for Scotland!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 25, 2021, 09:39:18 PM
Jesus.

Who do we think we are? He may not have hit top form after returning from injury but he's been brilliant for us. Why are people so keen to look for scapegoats and peopel to move on after each poor result or run of games?

McGinn, Mings, Luiz, Konsa, Targett. All players that have been lauded and then vilified and suggested we should do better. How abotu giving them a chance. Look at what Targett is producing, look what Konsa is doing. See how good the others have been. We're not Champions League regulars, we're in our second season back in the Premier League.

It seems that a couple of poor performances can ruin a player on here, despite what potential they show and however many good performances they may have delivered before.

We're trying new things, players in different positions, let's see how it works, see how they develop before writing them off. McGinn is 26 and the best is yet to come.


Totally agree with you Drummond.
Drummond you're spot on.

Dromm
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on March 25, 2021, 09:52:10 PM
Jesus.

Who do we think we are? He may not have hit top form after returning from injury but he's been brilliant for us. Why are people so keen to look for scapegoats and peopel to move on after each poor result or run of games?

McGinn, Mings, Luiz, Konsa, Targett. All players that have been lauded and then vilified and suggested we should do better. How abotu giving them a chance. Look at what Targett is producing, look what Konsa is doing. See how good the others have been. We're not Champions League regulars, we're in our second season back in the Premier League.

It seems that a couple of poor performances can ruin a player on here, despite what potential they show and however many good performances they may have delivered before.

We're trying new things, players in different positions, let's see how it works, see how they develop before writing them off. McGinn is 26 and the best is yet to come.

In SJM’s case it isn’t a Couple though is it

Just heard he’s scored with an OH kick tonight for the Scots😉
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 25, 2021, 10:07:50 PM
Great goal for him, hope he takes some confidence from that back into the remaining Villa fixtures.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on March 25, 2021, 10:16:13 PM
Like the Villa, John has come a very long way in a short space of time.  I can live with one of our own being all over the media for the right reasons.  There will be more people see that goal of John's against Austria than have ever seen him play live in his whole career.  It probably put twenty millions on his transfer value.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villa for life on March 26, 2021, 10:43:29 AM
A timely reminder to Deano about Mcginn’s strengths when played in a more advanced position. He was talked about as one of the best players in the league at one stage.

 Hopefully, if we can add the right players to our squad, Mcginn can go back to his old role and show everyone that he is still just as good as he used to be.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2021, 11:18:48 AM
My guess is after our terrible defensive record last season Dean wanted to make sure it wasn't repeated and to his credit it hasn't. SJM has certainly played his part in us having one of the best defensive records in the league but in doing that we've lost his attacking side and goals. Maybe it was also seen as a safer bet this season with him coming back from a long term injury whereby he wouldn't have to be running up and down the pitch. Whatever the reason was/is, McGinn for me is a natural box to box midfielder and the sooner we get him doing that the better. By playing him in a defensive role we only get half the player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on March 26, 2021, 11:49:10 AM
If Jack is back next week, then I would be inclined to play Nakamba and Luiz against Fulham and push McGinn further forward - he will still run around like a blue-arsed fly and do the defensive side anyway, but we have definitely lost something with him holding further back.  He even said in his interview after the game last night that we have been playing him more defensively, let's get him back to where he can do some damage.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on March 26, 2021, 12:05:38 PM
My guess is after our terrible defensive record last season Dean wanted to make sure it wasn't repeated and to his credit it hasn't. SJM has certainly played his part in us having one of the best defensive records in the league but in doing that we've lost his attacking side and goals. Maybe it was also seen as a safer bet this season with him coming back from a long term injury whereby he wouldn't have to be running up and down the pitch. Whatever the reason was/is, McGinn for me is a natural box to box midfielder and the sooner we get him doing that the better. By playing him in a defensive role we only get half the player.
I agree with this. His threat going forwards has been nullified by being played deeper. I think Nakamba might be the key to helping McGinn get forward more and attack.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 26, 2021, 12:07:30 PM
I said a while back we're missing the old McGinn when he plays deep. Like someone else said though, his work in that area has helped out the team and defence.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 26, 2021, 12:26:19 PM
I absolutely dread to think what the flack is going to be like here if we aren’t in the top six by Christmas.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on March 26, 2021, 08:07:06 PM
What a brilliant goal by SJM against Austria.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 31, 2021, 10:13:15 PM
I wonder what Smith has learned from McGinn's international performances; particularly about where to play him in our formation?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on March 31, 2021, 10:51:40 PM
I don't think his position is the problem really, it's more that we haven't been getting enough possession for McGinn to drift into the box as much as he does for Scotland but there's nothing in the role he's playing that should be stopping that from happening.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villa for life on April 01, 2021, 12:23:54 AM
McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season.  Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.

This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 01, 2021, 12:27:53 AM
McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season.  Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.

This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...

Agreed,
Good post.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 01, 2021, 08:13:26 AM
McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season.  Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.

This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...

Agreed,
Good post.
We have been crying out for support of Watkins up front. All we have done is rotate AEG,Trez and Traore. When it obvious where we should be deploying SJM.
It looks like a major fuck up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on April 01, 2021, 08:16:00 AM
McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season.  Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.

This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...

I agree overall and I hope he is put back there eventually but you could also argue that he has helped play his part in the defence keeping as many clean sheets as they have.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on April 01, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
I'd like to see a set-up where Watkins supported by McGinn and Sanson, with JG, Luiz and Nakamba (or Ramsey) behind them.
With a EPL status assured, this is a time to try new things and seek to optimise player-contribution.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2021, 09:01:26 AM
McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season.  Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.

This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...

Agreed,
Good post.
We have been crying out for support of Watkins up front. All we have done is rotate AEG,Trez and Traore. When it obvious where we should be deploying SJM.
It looks like a major fuck up.

It's one of Smith's biggest failings, lack of tactical flexibility, and sticking to the same tired subs that never, ever change a match. The completely ineffective rotation of the AEG, Traore and Trez is really dispiriting.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 01, 2021, 09:26:29 AM
One of his biggest? Makes it sound likes he's an error-strewn type?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 01, 2021, 09:29:41 AM
McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season.  Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.

This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...

Agreed,
Good post.
We have been crying out for support of Watkins up front. All we have done is rotate AEG,Trez and Traore. When it obvious where we should be deploying SJM.
It looks like a major fuck up.

It's one of Smith's biggest failings, lack of tactical flexibility, and sticking to the same tired subs that never, ever change a match. The completely ineffective rotation of the AEG, Traore and Trez is really dispiriting.
if Clarke can work this out.
A front 3 of Jack Ollie and SJM would be fun to watch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 01, 2021, 05:38:37 PM
McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season.  Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.

This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...

I agree overall and I hope he is put back there eventually but you could also argue that he has helped play his part in the defence keeping as many clean sheets as they have.

Yeah agree, I presume Smith knew that SJM could be relied on to help out
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on April 01, 2021, 05:51:49 PM
Me too, it’s so obvious he’s much more effective further forward. Also we do have Nakamba as well as Luiz and Sanson. Surely we could rotate between those three keeping McGinn forward.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2021, 06:04:19 PM
Would be worth giving him a go where Barkley was earlier in the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: exigo on April 01, 2021, 06:38:17 PM
Would be worth giving him a go where Barkley was earlier in the season.

On the bench at Chelsea?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2021, 06:45:48 PM
One of his biggest? Makes it sound likes he's an error-strewn type?

Fair point. His main, if not only weakness.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 01, 2021, 09:56:41 PM
I guess Smith could argue that he does not have any one else to play in a defensive midfield role.
I think it is the most pressing need recruitment wise.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2021, 09:58:38 PM
We have Nakamba, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2021, 11:27:03 PM
Nakamba deserves a run in a DCM position.  We have ten games left and a rare opportunity to experiment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2021, 11:29:31 PM
I think that this might be our best team at present:

              Martinez

 Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett

           Luiz-Nakamba

     Traore-McGinn-Grealish

                  Watkins
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on April 01, 2021, 11:55:43 PM
Me too, definitely.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2021, 12:07:35 AM
It's a shame that Barkley has turned into such a waste of space, because him at his best alongside Grealish and McGinn would be exciting to watch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 02, 2021, 12:21:02 AM
I think that this might be our best team at present:

              Martinez

 Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett

           Luiz-Nakamba

     Traore-McGinn-Grealish

                  Watkins

I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 02, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
I think that this might be our best team at present:

              Martinez

 Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett

           Luiz-Nakamba

     Traore-McGinn-Grealish

                  Watkins


Definitely worth a try
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on April 02, 2021, 11:52:51 AM
I think that this might be our best team at present:

              Martinez

 Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett

           Luiz-Nakamba

     Traore-McGinn-Grealish

                  Watkins

I'd agree with that.
Me too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on April 02, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
I'd probably go for Trezeguet rather than Traore. Not just for his work off the ball, he'd probably be a bit less more unmarked in the box with Jack in the side.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on April 02, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
A variation might be this:

              Martinez

 Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett

           Luiz-Nakamba

     Sanson-McGinn-Grealish

                  Watkins

Save Traore to come in as an impact sub.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 02, 2021, 12:28:23 PM
We have Nakamba, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson.
Only Nakamba looks a natural in that position but has other limitations.
I don’t think any of them can do the job Hojbjerg does for example.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: achilles on April 02, 2021, 05:00:19 PM
Think I would prefer:

              Martinez

 Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett

           Luiz-Nakamba

             Ramsey

          McGinn-Grealish

             Watkins

The full backs giving us the width, Ramsey to give midfield cover, with McGinn and Grealish to support Watkins
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 02, 2021, 06:19:39 PM
                Martinez
Cash   Konsa      Mings    Targett
      Luiz     Mcginn   Nakamba
                Grealish
    Watkins               AEG

Let McGinn and the full backs get up the pitch early and have Watkins and AEG as wide strikers trying to either pull the fullbacks narrow or the centre-backs wide. Grealish as a false 9 occupying the defensive midfielder so McGinn can run beyond him into the box. Basically the only person in the front 4 who is in a normal position to be marked is Grealish and we use that to our advantage because he'd be tightly marked anywhere on the pitch anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on April 02, 2021, 07:27:30 PM
                Martinez
Cash   Konsa      Mings    Targett
      Luiz     Mcginn   Nakamba
                Grealish
    Watkins               AEG

Let McGinn and the full backs get up the pitch early and have Watkins and AEG as wide strikers trying to either pull the fullbacks narrow or the centre-backs wide. Grealish as a false 9 occupying the defensive midfielder so McGinn can run beyond him into the box. Basically the only person in the front 4 who is in a normal position to be marked is Grealish and we use that to our advantage because he'd be tightly marked anywhere on the pitch anyway.
it would be interesting to see this, Paul. Not sure it will happen!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 02, 2021, 07:58:31 PM
I think that this might be our best team at present:

              Martinez

 Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett

           Luiz-Nakamba

     Traore-McGinn-Grealish

                  Watkins

Maybe it's time to start trusting the defence, do we really need 7 out of our 11 players in defensive roles? I'd move it up a level with SJM and Luiz playing box to box in front of Marvelous. Attack as a team, defend as a team.


              Martinez

 Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett

            Nakamba

          Luiz - McGinn

  Traore------------Grealish

              Watkins
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on April 02, 2021, 08:15:16 PM
I like that RCF, why ever not.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on April 11, 2021, 10:14:20 AM
Shit, again. We've got to have an eye on replacing him next season. He's had a handful of really good Premier League games in nearly 2 seasons.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 10:24:24 AM
I think that this might be our best team at present:

              Martinez

 Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett

           Luiz-Nakamba

     Traore-McGinn-Grealish

                  Watkins

Maybe it's time to start trusting the defence, do we really need 7 out of our 11 players in defensive roles? I'd move it up a level with SJM and Luiz playing box to box in front of Marvelous. Attack as a team, defend as a team.


              Martinez

 Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett

            Nakamba

          Luiz - McGinn

  Traore------------Grealish

              Watkins
The only difference from yesterday is Jack
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on April 11, 2021, 05:24:38 PM
Shit, again. We've got to have an eye on replacing him next season. He's had a handful of really good Premier League games in nearly 2 seasons.

Just didn’t seem to be involved

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 11, 2021, 05:36:42 PM
Apart from when he set up the goal, presumably? He wasn't helped by Liverpool being allowed to foul him just about whenever he got the ball without fear of it being given.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2021, 05:38:39 PM
one of a few players who is good enough for a mid-table side, but if we want to be top 6 then we would replace him at some point.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on April 11, 2021, 05:47:52 PM
one of a few players who is good enough for a mid-table side, but if we want to be top 6 then we would replace him at some point.

I think that he is of a higher quality than that and is being undermined by the fact that our other midfielders and wingers are so disappointing. There's only so much that he can do with the personnel around him. With better players I'm sure that Super John McGinn would indeed be Super again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 11, 2021, 06:37:37 PM
one of a few players who is good enough for a mid-table side, but if we want to be top 6 then we would replace him at some point.

I think that he is of a higher quality than that and is being undermined by the fact that our other midfielders and wingers are so disappointing. There's only so much that he can do with the personnel around him. With better players I'm sure that Super John McGinn would indeed be Super again.

Completely agree with this and playing him further forward more regularly. I think he’ll shine at the Euros as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 11, 2021, 06:44:50 PM
one of a few players who is good enough for a mid-table side, but if we want to be top 6 then we would replace him at some point.

I think that he is of a higher quality than that and is being undermined by the fact that our other midfielders and wingers are so disappointing. There's only so much that he can do with the personnel around him. With better players I'm sure that Super John McGinn would indeed be Super again.

Completely agree with this and playing him further forward more regularly. I think he’ll shine at the Euros as well.

Where he has mainly worse players around him?  I agree he’s better playing further forward. He’s doing okay where he is though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 11, 2021, 06:53:02 PM
one of a few players who is good enough for a mid-table side, but if we want to be top 6 then we would replace him at some point.

I think that he is of a higher quality than that and is being undermined by the fact that our other midfielders and wingers are so disappointing. There's only so much that he can do with the personnel around him. With better players I'm sure that Super John McGinn would indeed be Super again.

Completely agree with this and playing him further forward more regularly. I think he’ll shine at the Euros as well.

Where he has mainly worse players around him?  I agree he’s better playing further forward. He’s doing okay where he is though.
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True, and see my contradiction, but different factors, playing for his country at a major tourno, he’s one of the main men for them etc etc. Point is I think he’s still good enough to be one of our main men over next couple of years
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2021, 07:12:21 PM
I think all the midfielders could make that circular argument "It's not me, it's the other ones!"  McGinn and Luiz are good central midfielders - probably good enough for the top half but only if they have someone else in there alongside them who is better. Barkley and Nakamba aren't and it's too early to say if Sanson or Ramsey will be. It's a key position we need to strengthen in the summer - a genuinely top-class midfielder who will walk into the team. Probably would help if he has athleticism and height too. I hope Lange has been scouting someone like Soucek.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2021, 07:24:55 PM
It's a Kante-type for me. Someone who's everywhere and makes it feel like we're playing with 12 men.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 10:46:32 PM
As I've said a few times now the issue is that the balance of the midfield isn't right. A fit and in form Barkley ahead of McGinn and Luiz looked easily top 6 standard but Barkley just isn't capable of playing at that level consistently. On that basis the first signing this summer needs to be a replacement for him, someone with pace, strength and a good shot on them who wants to boss the midfield and take advantage of the space that Jack creates.

I'd like to see McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson playing alongside someone like that before we change anything else in there. I also think Chukwuemeka will break-through as the backup for that player pretty soon so someone he can learn from would be fantastic. The problem is I have no idea who the right player is, I haven't watched any European football this year and I've only half-watched domestic games other than ours (usually as something in the background whilst I'm working).

I think all the midfielders could make that circular argument "It's not me, it's the other ones!"  McGinn and Luiz are good central midfielders - probably good enough for the top half but only if they have someone else in there alongside them who is better. Barkley and Nakamba aren't and it's too early to say if Sanson or Ramsey will be. It's a key position we need to strengthen in the summer - a genuinely top-class midfielder who will walk into the team. Probably would help if he has athleticism and height too. I hope Lange has been scouting someone like Soucek.

This mostly covers it but I don't agree with the bold bit. Midfield is all about finding a group of players that complement each other in a way that lets them all play their natural game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2021, 10:17:43 AM
As I've said a few times now the issue is that the balance of the midfield isn't right. A fit and in form Barkley ahead of McGinn and Luiz looked easily top 6 standard but Barkley just isn't capable of playing at that level consistently. On that basis the first signing this summer needs to be a replacement for him, someone with pace, strength and a good shot on them who wants to boss the midfield and take advantage of the space that Jack creates.

I'd like to see McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson playing alongside someone like that before we change anything else in there. I also think Chukwuemeka will break-through as the backup for that player pretty soon so someone he can learn from would be fantastic. The problem is I have no idea who the right player is, I haven't watched any European football this year and I've only half-watched domestic games other than ours (usually as something in the background whilst I'm working).

I think all the midfielders could make that circular argument "It's not me, it's the other ones!"  McGinn and Luiz are good central midfielders - probably good enough for the top half but only if they have someone else in there alongside them who is better. Barkley and Nakamba aren't and it's too early to say if Sanson or Ramsey will be. It's a key position we need to strengthen in the summer - a genuinely top-class midfielder who will walk into the team. Probably would help if he has athleticism and height too. I hope Lange has been scouting someone like Soucek.

This mostly covers it but I don't agree with the bold bit. Midfield is all about finding a group of players that complement each other in a way that lets them all play their natural game.

Agreed, and for a fleeting moment it had looked like Barkley had done just that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 12, 2021, 10:38:41 AM
I'd like to see a good defensive midfielder who can use the ball signed this summer - then ahead of him, two of Sanson, Luiz and McGinn. I'm not convinced by any of them recently - but in that setup with box to box roles for McGinn and Luiz I think they'd improve.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on April 21, 2021, 10:45:09 PM
Meatball speaks:

Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn, speaking to Sky Sports: "It was just my feeling on the pitch but that was the best 90 minutes I have seen [from an opposition team]. It was a nightmare to be perfectly honest."

Did he play in the 1-6 defeat last season?! Fair play for his honesty, though. That goal should give him and Dean confidence to keep playing him further forward. He must have been annoyed that he had to drop deep again to accommodate Barkley when he came on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on April 21, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
Wee John took his goal well.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 21, 2021, 11:00:07 PM
Meatball speaks:

Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn, speaking to Sky Sports: "It was just my feeling on the pitch but that was the best 90 minutes I have seen [from an opposition team]. It was a nightmare to be perfectly honest."

Did he play in the 1-6 defeat last season?! Fair play for his honesty, though. That goal should give him and Dean confidence to keep playing him further forward. He must have been annoyed that he had to drop deep again to accommodate Barkley when he came on.

I think he's spot on there, it's what I was getting at when I said I don't think we were out of that because of a lack of fitness or effort, that was all about them moving the ball around quickly and accurately and us just not being able to get hold of it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2021, 11:00:47 PM
That goal should give him and Dean confidence to keep playing him further forward. He must have been annoyed that he had to drop deep again to accommodate Barkley when he came on.

It's a shame SJM has had to play so long as a defensive midfielder this season and it was only his goals for Scotland that forced Dean to have a rethink. There's more and better to come from him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 22, 2021, 06:08:55 PM
That goal should give him and Dean confidence to keep playing him further forward. He must have been annoyed that he had to drop deep again to accommodate Barkley when he came on.

It's a shame SJM has had to play so long as a defensive midfielder this season and it was only his goals for Scotland that forced Dean to have a rethink. There's more and better to come from him.

Doesn's suit him one iota playing deep, he's like a fish out of water or a blue's player in a villa kit
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 22, 2021, 11:10:53 PM
Peter Withe did alright...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2021, 09:26:25 AM
Yeah, but....

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/23/cf/9723cfa5bf090420cd955b76b12ede8b.jpg)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 24, 2021, 11:16:35 PM
Ffs mate, where was the NSFW tag?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on April 26, 2021, 07:50:17 AM
SJM is becoming a problem, playing in midfield only highlights his lack of control, constantly not controlling the ball or just plain bad passing is hurting us in midfield. He has not regained the form that made him a stand out two years ago.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on April 26, 2021, 07:54:21 AM
SJM is becoming a problem, playing in midfield only highlights his lack of control, constantly not controlling the ball or just plain bad passing is hurting us in midfield. He has not regained the form that made him a stand out two years ago.

In the Championship. In two years in the Premier League, how many times has he looked the part? Center Mid is the heart of a team and we don't have control of games because we don't have the center mids to do it.

He shouldn't be a guaranteed starter next season if we mean to move onwards.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 08:07:45 AM
It's unclear to me what he does right now to warrant his place. Even the ball-carrying that was so impressive for the last couple of years is letting him down now (and even that was always more of a winter's attribute anyway). He's giving the ball away, he's not winning it back enough, his shooting is erratic, his positioning is off, his creativity nowhere. Id6rather play Marvellous at the minute.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on April 26, 2021, 08:14:01 AM
He gave the ball away a bit yesterday but he does need to play further forward. I reckon a few games out of the side and he would be missed. He does put a shift in, he always has.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on April 26, 2021, 08:17:20 AM
Could it be that the super star status he has been gifted in the Scotland team gone to his head?  Good against weaker opposition but found wanting againot sterner opposition?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on April 26, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
Could it be that the super star status he has been gifted in the Scotland team gone to his head?  Good against weaker opposition but found wanting againot sterner opposition?

You don't get much weaker than the second worst team in the division! It was an easy night to play in midfield with the ball as there was zero pressing or tackling really. McGinn lacks a bit of patience with the ball and opponents have wised up to his arse roll. It disguises a heavy touch as seen in the first half when his first touch gifted them possession in front of their box. Like Luiz, once they are turned they don't seem to have any recovery speed.

McGinn would be better higher up the pitch I think. Instead of Traore possibly. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 26, 2021, 09:07:15 AM
Was he always so careless with his passing? I don’t remember it being an issue up until last season.  He needs to get his mind more focused on what he’s doing and for starters cut out tricky cross field long balls as they rarely come off and worse, it puts us in danger of a counter. I like him overall as he’s a trier and gives his all. But like the rest of them he looks far better when Jack’s playing.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2021, 09:09:51 AM
A lot of pundits and the press are claiming he was great yesterday, a lot on here thought he was shit, I think the reality is he was somewhere in between, a couple of heavy touches let him down badly and there were a few passes where I don't think he looked before playing the ball but he also pressed them well, kept the ball moving through midfield and made himself available.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on April 26, 2021, 09:16:10 AM
A lot of pundits and the press are claiming he was great yesterday, a lot on here thought he was shit, I think the reality is he was somewhere in between, a couple of heavy touches let him down badly and there were a few passes where I don't think he looked before playing the ball but he also pressed them well, kept the ball moving through midfield and made himself available.


Made a couple of great passes as well. His through ball for Watkin's chance in the 2nd half was top class and it was nice pass for Davis's goal
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
A lot of pundits and the press are claiming he was great yesterday, a lot on here thought he was shit, I think the reality is he was somewhere in between, a couple of heavy touches let him down badly and there were a few passes where I don't think he looked before playing the ball but he also pressed them well, kept the ball moving through midfield and made himself available.


Made a couple of great passes as well. His through ball for Watkin's chance in the 2nd half was top class and it was nice pass for Davis's goal

Indeed, as I say very much a mixed bag for me and I'm not sure why he's been singled out for so much criticism on here. All I can think is that it's mostly a result of that one really bad first touch in the first half which really sticks in the mind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 11:35:32 AM
A lot of pundits and the press are claiming he was great yesterday, a lot on here thought he was shit, I think the reality is he was somewhere in between, a couple of heavy touches let him down badly and there were a few passes where I don't think he looked before playing the ball but he also pressed them well, kept the ball moving through midfield and made himself available.


Made a couple of great passes as well. His through ball for Watkin's chance in the 2nd half was top class and it was nice pass for Davis's goal

Indeed, as I say very much a mixed bag for me and I'm not sure why he's been singled out for so much criticism on here. All I can think is that it's mostly a result of that one really bad first touch in the first half which really sticks in the mind.

That was funny, it went further than I can kick it these days.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2021, 11:46:10 AM
Not as funny as Traore attempting to head the ball in an acre of space. It's like me on a Tuesday night when somebody skies one and I don't fancy it, so pretend to be blinded by the lights or fooled by the bounce.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 12:01:16 PM
Not as funny as Traore attempting to head the ball in an acre of space. It's like me on a Tuesday night when somebody skies one and I don't fancy it, so pretend to be blinded by the lights or fooled by the bounce.

That was funny too, just as the commentary was lauding Mings for his clearing header. Still, Luke Ayling attempting a cross field pass with the outside of his foot against Man Utd was funnier than both put together, the top knott twat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 26, 2021, 12:15:00 PM
SJM is becoming a problem, playing in midfield only highlights his lack of control, constantly not controlling the ball or just plain bad passing is hurting us in midfield. He has not regained the form that made him a stand out two years ago.

In the Championship. In two years in the Premier League, how many times has he looked the part? Center Mid is the heart of a team and we don't have control of games because we don't have the center mids to do it.

He shouldn't be a guaranteed starter next season if we mean to move onwards.

He was good when we first came up, better than Jack imo who didn't fully get going until October/November. 3 goals in first 6 games I think.

Obviously the injury set him back but he did start the season well in terms of general performance.

We all want him to be another Milner for us but there's a gulf between the two.

It is odd how he never ever gets taken off. Fair enough yesterday he was still fighting and getting on the ball plenty at the end which created chances but also many games in recent times when it's fizzled out and he's offered as little as anyone else second half in final third.

Luiz has had spells on the bench in last 3 months so don't get why SJM is protected species, guess DS just showing incredible loyalty to him for the promotion season but I think we will have to snap out of that mentality sooner or later.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on April 26, 2021, 12:19:20 PM
A lot of pundits and the press are claiming he was great yesterday, a lot on here thought he was shit, I think the reality is he was somewhere in between, a couple of heavy touches let him down badly and there were a few passes where I don't think he looked before playing the ball but he also pressed them well, kept the ball moving through midfield and made himself available.


Made a couple of great passes as well. His through ball for Watkin's chance in the 2nd half was top class and it was nice pass for Davis's goal

Indeed, as I say very much a mixed bag for me and I'm not sure why he's been singled out for so much criticism on here. All I can think is that it's mostly a result of that one really bad first touch in the first half which really sticks in the mind.

That was funny, it went further than I can kick it these days.

'Doing a Benteke'. Fantastic 19 goal season but boy, could he miscontrol a football.

As has been said I felt that McGinn was a mixture of the sublime and the ridiculous yesterday. I wonder whether at times he is trying to too hard to instill some urgency into our play but the execution can be off.

I really like him though. He's a class act.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2021, 12:39:02 PM
I admire his confidence to keep trying though, we'd all be moaning if he turned into a square ball merchant.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 03:23:56 PM
I admire his confidence to keep trying though, we'd all be moaning if he turned into a square ball merchant.

It's why he'll come through and be a better player for it. As Bobby Boy says, he's a class act, we're a long way off upgrading on him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2021, 10:24:29 AM
Is today the day he'll score a long range screamer ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Scott Nielsen on May 16, 2021, 12:47:04 PM
I think it qualifies.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 16, 2021, 12:50:45 PM
Outstanding so far today
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on May 16, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
Good goal by SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 18, 2021, 12:35:59 AM
Side-footed finishes from that distance are rare.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 18, 2021, 06:20:06 AM
Would love to see him play in a set up that gets the best of him.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on May 18, 2021, 12:59:24 PM
Would love to see him play in a set up that gets the best of him.



Anything other than further up the field and he's being wasted. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2021, 03:43:45 PM
Just to be clear even though he's picked up 10 yellows again this season for 2 matches as he won't be suspended as the threshold for ten yellow cards is after 32 league matches.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Just to be clear even though he's picked up 10 yellows again this season for 2 matches as he won't be suspended as the threshold for ten yellow cards is after 32 league matches.

Thanks for telling us all. We didn't know.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 18, 2021, 04:54:08 PM
Would love to see him play in a set up that gets the best of him.



Anything other than further up the field and he's being wasted.
He is definitely not suited to a 2 in the middle with Luiz and vice versa.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2021, 08:53:16 PM
Filthy

https://twitter.com/nocontextmcginn/status/1395083191422177287?s=21
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: danno on May 19, 2021, 08:59:17 PM
Just to be clear even though he's picked up 10 yellows again this season for 2 matches as he won't be suspended as the threshold for ten yellow cards is after 32 league matches.

Thanks for telling us all. We didn't know.

I didn't.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nelly on May 19, 2021, 09:15:03 PM
Filthy

https://twitter.com/nocontextmcginn/status/1395083191422177287?s=21

I've not seen another player pull this off so consistently. I think I remember him doing it against Arsenal? My Scottish mate text me when he did it for them not too long ago and this one today. I'm certain there have been others. Time to re-name it The McGinn Turn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2021, 12:15:38 AM
I think some of the McGinn Villa career obituaries may have been somewhat premature. Absolute superstar.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2021, 12:28:45 AM
Best display for the club? Absolute powerhouse today. Bullied them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt C on May 20, 2021, 02:05:18 AM
Outstanding today. Feel like he’s got more freedom when Nakamba plays .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on May 20, 2021, 07:11:43 AM
Probably his best performance of the season for me. Outstanding.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on May 20, 2021, 07:22:04 AM
Probably his best performance of the season for me. Outstanding.

Me too. Needs to be more like that more often. I think he'll have a great Euros
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2021, 07:50:12 AM
He’s now a established  Premier League midfielder. Best role for him is to play up as high as he can and snap at their heels.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2021, 07:52:02 AM
Probably his best performance of the season for me. Outstanding.

Me too. Needs to be more like that more often. I think he'll have a great Euros
Yes but he will have to carry his team mates most of time as some are League 1 standard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 20, 2021, 08:21:12 AM
Loved the way he gave Kane no nonsense with a 'tackle'. Penalised for the foul of course. I don't usually advocate that sort of physical behaviour ,as I'm more an artisan, but thought it was particularly noteworthy in basically letting know their star player Villa are here for a game!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on May 20, 2021, 09:03:33 AM
Probably his best performance of the season for me. Outstanding.

Me too. Needs to be more like that more often. I think he'll have a great Euros
Yes but he will have to carry his team mates most of time as some are League 1 standard.

If my Gran was still here, she'd have raised her eyebrow at you, mate! :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 20, 2021, 09:05:56 AM
He was utterly brilliant last night.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2021, 01:39:16 PM
He’s now a established  Premier League midfielder. Best role for him is to play up as high as he can and snap at their heels.

No better example than the very late first half chance where he literally charged through Dire (correctly spelled) I think and won the ball for Bert who slipped in Ollie. Head down, single focus. They hated him all game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 02:12:16 PM
He was a fucking beast last night, that Spuds midfield will need counselling.

He's a one-off, and his best is yet to come. I reckon every other team in the league would take him if they got the chance, including the c**t 6.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john2710 on May 20, 2021, 02:23:59 PM
The last 3 or 4 games McGinn has started to look back to business. Like most of our players, he'll only get better.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 20, 2021, 06:03:07 PM
After his injury he's had to play his way back to fitness which explains some of his less Super performances. Last night he owned the pitch. Not being played out of position has helped too. Thank you, Scotland.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2021, 06:05:33 PM
he was a man ppossessed last night . I dont watch Scotland ( busy life) but he obvious played more in his scotland position las night instead of deeper.

he was class.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 20, 2021, 08:56:02 PM
The issue has been his 11 yellow cards this season
Just needs to watch the discipline.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clive W on May 20, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
Playing McGinn higher up the pitch means we have an extra layer of defence
Watkins closes down defenders for the whole 90 minutes never giving them a chance to settle
If they work their way round Watkins they then find McGinn chewing at their ankles
After McGinn they are faced with Marvellous/Dougie
And then it’s on to our back four
Not forgetting EMI

It requires huge levels of fitness from Watkins and McGinn but they seem to have that by the bucket load
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 21, 2021, 12:31:25 AM
McGinn gives us the energy boost that Milner used to provide.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 21, 2021, 11:09:33 AM
Absolute awesome display, the return of SJM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on May 21, 2021, 11:58:04 AM
The issue has been his 11 yellow cards this season
Just needs to watch the discipline.



Still avoided the 10 card and 15 card cut-off points though. I can't remember whether he missed a game for getting 5 cards but it's not the end of the world.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2021, 01:36:05 PM
No one presses like Meatball. Don't think he has the discipline/legs for a general/defensive midfield role but he's not exactly a number 10 either.

When he plays as well as the other night though he's possibly the first player you'd want on the teamsheet.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2021, 01:49:10 PM
No one presses like Meatball. Don't think he has the discipline/legs for a general/defensive midfield role but he's not exactly a number 10 either.

When he plays as well as the other night though he's possibly the first player you'd want on the teamsheet.



When Dier tried to come out with the ball at his feet, and McGinn chased him down from behind it put me in mind of a scared and confused wildebeest being attacked by a lion.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JD on May 24, 2021, 10:08:36 AM
Meatball has been brilliant in the past few games. Back to the McGinn we all love. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SaddVillan on May 24, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Meatball's performance yesterday was reminiscent of Des Bremner at his best.

Non-stop for 90 minutes, tackling anybody, anytime, anywhere and having no respect for the foreign dilettantes playing for Chelsea.

He set the tone for the team in terms of aggression and effort and showed why he needs to be playing in front of the opposition back line instead of in front of our back four.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on May 24, 2021, 10:22:46 AM
Foreign being bad, I presume?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2021, 10:26:13 AM
Meatballs are foreign and we all love them, right?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on May 24, 2021, 10:28:20 AM
Also, if Scotland go independent, wouldn't McGinn then be foreign?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
I'm not quite sure what makes them dilettantes either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on May 24, 2021, 11:26:14 AM
Finished the season very strong after a mixed enough season. Passing still very dicey at times so I don't think a role in a midfield two is where he needs to be . Would be great to get him higher up the pitch next season with Grealish as that is where he does his best work. Recovered well from a bad enough injury last season and his conditioning improved too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 12:20:01 PM
He'll be even better next season with a decent break to recharge.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2021, 01:06:03 PM
He'll be at the Euros so not much of a break even if they get knocked-out early.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2021, 12:14:15 AM
Finished the season very strong after a mixed enough season. Passing still very dicey at times so I don't think a role in a midfield two is where he needs to be . Would be great to get him higher up the pitch next season with Grealish as that is where he does his best work. Recovered well from a bad enough injury last season and his conditioning improved too.

Agree that he needs to be in that more advanced role next season, with Sanson challenging for that position as well.  He could lead the press from there, with hopefully Grealish and a quality new signing either side of him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Eckybloke on May 25, 2021, 08:50:46 AM
He'll be at the Euros so not much of a break even if they get knocked-out early.

When not if.
(I get to make that joke, some others don’t.)
🤣🤣
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2021, 08:57:25 AM
Are Scotland doing a song? Get SJM in the Hit Parade!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KevinGage on May 25, 2021, 10:28:02 AM
No one presses like Meatball. Don't think he has the discipline/legs for a general/defensive midfield role but he's not exactly a number 10 either.

Yes. We've tried him as defensive/ deeper midfielder with more discipline and restrictions but it doesn't suit his game.

He's better up higher up, with freedom to pick passes (or pick fights) as he sees fit.  El Ghazi's workrate as well as goal output have come on leaps and bounds this year. Trez was giving us plenty of workrate on the right earlier this season. Bertrand is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.  From the sublime to the ridiculous - sometimes in the same move.

Only he and Jack don't really put a shift in defensively. But Jack -if the ball is anywhere near him in the opposition half- is canny enough to nick it. And does so much with it anyway you can never countenance dropping him. Unless your partial to Burton waistcoats and horse biscuits, obv.

A nuisance of right sided winger with a blast of pace will help with the press and make us even harder to play against next season. Don't give the opposition a moment's rest.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: nigel on May 25, 2021, 11:47:10 AM
No one presses like Meatball. Don't think he has the discipline/legs for a general/defensive midfield role but he's not exactly a number 10 either.

Yes. We've tried him as defensive/ deeper midfielder with more discipline and restrictions but it doesn't suit his game.

He's better up higher up, with freedom to pick passes (or pick fights) as he sees fit.  El Ghazi's workrate as well as goal output have come on leaps and bounds this year. Trez was giving us plenty of workrate on the right earlier this season. Bertrand is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.  From the sublime to the ridiculous - sometimes in the same move.

Only he and Jack don't really put a shift in defensively. But Jack -if the ball is anywhere near him in the opposition half- is canny enough to nick it. And does so much with it anyway you can never countenance dropping him. Unless your partial to Burton waistcoats and horse biscuits, obv.

A nuisance of right sided winger with a blast of pace will help with the press and make us even harder to play against next season. Don't give the opposition a moment's rest.

That probably sums him up perfectly, and the reason I think he’s brilliant
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jwarry on June 02, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
I see he’s not travelled with the Scotland squad because of Covid restrictions
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 02, 2021, 06:14:50 PM
Precautions rather than restrictions, he could have travelled if Scotland had requested that he do so, he's had a negative test.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on June 07, 2021, 05:39:05 PM
Great article here (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/07/john-mcginn-scotlands-potent-midfield-dynamo-who-never-hides)
Note the comments about not being deep-lying or being shackled by too many 'tactics'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on June 14, 2021, 07:22:53 PM
Due to a power cut missed the game, just wondered how SJM played.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2021, 07:29:40 PM
Not one of his better games, still would have set up a goal if Lyndon Dykes was vaguely competent.

Very jealous of your power cut. ☹
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 14, 2021, 08:11:45 PM
Surrounded by players who some  aren't at English premiership level didn't help
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2021, 08:25:19 PM
That's just it isn't it?  Scotland lacked nothing in effort for which they have to be admired but, if you haven't got the players, effort alone just isn't going to do it for you.  Mother Hubbards cupboard I'm afraid.  I really wanted them to do well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 14, 2021, 08:36:45 PM
Remember the days of Billy Bremmer, Joe Jordan,Kenny Delgesh, even our own Des Bremmer, and of course Ken McNaught and Alan Evans and many more that graced the English game, sadly missing today, afraid looking at the Scottish game won't see that type of player again apart from mad John Mcginn
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2021, 08:43:26 PM
Very jealous of your power cut. ☹

Steve Clarke got a bit tetchy when the post-match reporter asked him about the lack of energy during the game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2021, 01:29:41 AM
Remember the days of Billy Bremmer, Joe Jordan,Kenny Delgesh, even our own Des Bremmer, and of course Ken McNaught and Alan Evans and many more that graced the English game, sadly missing today, afraid looking at the Scottish game won't see that type of player again apart from mad John Mcginn

Their first 11 is no worse than about ten other teams in tournament. Robertson CL winner and first choice for top european club. Tierney is very good aswell but just moved to Arsenal at wrong time. McTominay awful today but regular for second placed team in league and we know SJM has limitations but he will hopefully be regular in top 8 team next season. Billy Gilmour is very promising aswell and will hopefully start v England.

All their great players in the past failed to get out of the group stages at major tournament just like this one will.

They lack a Bale type in final third but not really sure it's that much weaker aside from that (well o.k the keeper and right back were hopeless) than what Wales put out at Euro 2016. But they rode their luck a bit in the first game, took their chances and won and rode the momentum from that point while as ever Scotland do the exact opposite.

Czech republic hardly brimming with top class players themselves considering they had likes of Nedved, Baros, Cech, Rosicky 15 years ago.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 15, 2021, 01:43:05 AM
With the chances Scotland had, they shouldn't have lost.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on June 15, 2021, 07:54:25 AM
The thing is they do have some quality. Mcginn, mctominey, robertson, cooper che adams. These are not bad players. In fact some of them are very good.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2021, 10:39:16 AM
Lovely article by Yaya Touré in The Athletic about the importance of using your bum in football. Obviously Meatball was his first example.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2021, 11:07:32 AM
The secret of McGinn's arse is now out of the bag, I'm afraid:

Quote
"In Spain, if I collected the ball from the defender, I sometimes had what felt like 10 seconds on the ball. In England, against the English players, you have maybe five seconds before someone tries to remove it from you. In those early games I had for City, I had a little bit of a problem – I would take the ball from the defender with my back to the centre circle and then BAM!, the opposition would come from behind and he would dispossess me. This kept happening in those first games. I’m a big man but every game someone would try the same thing when I wasn’t looking and BAM! I remember thinking, ‘What do I do? It’s impossible to play here!’

What helped me a lot was one of the physios at City who explained it to me very simply. He said, 'You’re already a big guy, but you need to do something to deal with the shock when people run at you while you control the ball. We need to build your muscles to absorb it. We need to build the strength in your bum and hips.'

It sounds funny, but your bum can be a very important tool when you play football.

I’m sure a lot of you watched England play Scotland last week in the Euros. What impressed me in that game was how disciplined John McGinn was in midfield, taking the ball from defence and protecting it from England players before making the pass.

If you look at a picture of McGinn, you can see he has very powerful legs and hips, and there were times where you could see him get the ball with his back to an England player, smell the danger was coming and then use his bum to shield the ball from them. The bum is important as it can create a moment of space between you and another player so you have more time with the ball."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 22, 2021, 11:09:34 AM
The secret of McGinn's arse is now out of the bag, I'm afraid:

Quote
"In Spain, if I collected the ball from the defender, I sometimes had what felt like 10 seconds on the ball. In England, against the English players, you have maybe five seconds before someone tries to remove it from you. In those early games I had for City, I had a little bit of a problem – I would take the ball from the defender with my back to the centre circle and then BAM!, the opposition would come from behind and he would dispossess me. This kept happening in those first games. I’m a big man but every game someone would try the same thing when I wasn’t looking and BAM! I remember thinking, ‘What do I do? It’s impossible to play here!’

What helped me a lot was one of the physios at City who explained it to me very simply. He said, 'You’re already a big guy, but you need to do something to deal with the shock when people run at you while you control the ball. We need to build your muscles to absorb it. We need to build the strength in your bum and hips.'

It sounds funny, but your bum can be a very important tool when you play football.

I’m sure a lot of you watched England play Scotland last week in the Euros. What impressed me in that game was how disciplined John McGinn was in midfield, taking the ball from defence and protecting it from England players before making the pass.

If you look at a picture of McGinn, you can see he has very powerful legs and hips, and there were times where you could see him get the ball with his back to an England player, smell the danger was coming and then use his bum to shield the ball from them. The bum is important as it can create a moment of space between you and another player so you have more time with the ball."


Well I hope he has insured his arse 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2021, 12:47:23 PM
Maybe he can talk to Beyonce and her people about the right type of deal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2021, 12:54:16 AM
Unlucky a couple of times tonight with half-chances at crucial times against Croatia. You get the feeling he relishes the more attacking role he has at Scotland with license to get forward. With Buendia and possibly more attacking midfield talent on the way at Villa Park this summer, I sense the shackles we put on him a little bit will continue next season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: fredm on June 23, 2021, 03:43:33 PM
Unlucky a couple of times tonight with half-chances at crucial times against Croatia. You get the feeling he relishes the more attacking role he has at Scotland with license to get forward. With Buendia and possibly more attacking midfield talent on the way at Villa Park this summer, I sense the shackles we put on him a little bit will continue next season.

That is why we need a big bruiser of a midfield enforcer to be signed. That would allow McGinn and also Luiz more freedom to attack.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2021, 10:13:28 PM
Unlucky a couple of times tonight with half-chances at crucial times against Croatia. You get the feeling he relishes the more attacking role he has at Scotland with license to get forward. With Buendia and possibly more attacking midfield talent on the way at Villa Park this summer, I sense the shackles we put on him a little bit will continue next season.

That is why we need a big bruiser of a midfield enforcer to be signed. That would allow McGinn and also Luiz more freedom to attack.

Yep, when we need to be more attacking we can have Jack/Emi/Bert at 10 and McGinn/Sanson/Luiz/Ramsey as a pair in behind and when we need to be more defensive we swap the 10 out for a holding midfielder. Right now the only chocie if we want to go a bit more defensive in there is to bring Nakamba in and he's very hot and cold.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2021, 10:44:33 PM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for  reputed £50m.  I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for that
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 23, 2021, 10:49:47 PM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for  reputed £50m.  I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for that
Stop it!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2021, 10:51:02 PM
Nah. The fans love him, the players love him. We don't need to sell so no point in doing so. Liverpool clearly think he's a £50 million talent with better players around him. We are signing better players all the time, let's see how good he can get.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on June 23, 2021, 11:33:22 PM
I’ve been following the story for a few days. The talk is that Liverpool thought they could get him for £20m. We’ve supposedly told them it’s £50m with Hibs having a 10% sell-on fee. They’re not prepared to pay that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 23, 2021, 11:42:17 PM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for  reputed £50m.  I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for that
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for  reputed £50m.  I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for that
Stop it!


newsnow is ridiculous and has the feeling it is run by a team of 11 year olds


however i do go on it😞
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2021, 11:45:22 PM
I’ve been following the story for a few days. The talk is that Liverpool thought they could get him for £20m. We’ve supposedly told them it’s £50m with Hibs having a 10% sell-on fee. They’re not prepared to pay that.

You can’t get shit players in the PL now for £20m let alone really good ones.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2021, 12:44:44 AM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for  reputed £50m.  I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for that
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for  reputed £50m.  I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for that
Stop it!


newsnow is ridiculous and has the feeling it is run by a team of 11 year olds


however i do go on it😞

As I've said before it's just an aggregator, nothing you read on there was written by them, it's just appeared on a site that is considered a news source. That includes some pretty ropey blogs when it comes to football so you get made up shit.

The criticism to aim at newsnow is the low bar for inclusion on some topics.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2021, 01:06:56 AM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for  reputed £50m.  I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for that

It's on the BBC (via The Athletic) and agree. I'd be inclined to accept that, much as I love SJM. Won't happen though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 24, 2021, 08:35:33 AM
I do love how the press seemingly ignore small details like him signing a brand new contract in December less than six months ago. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on June 24, 2021, 08:38:03 AM
I’ve been following the story for a few days. The talk is that Liverpool thought they could get him for £20m. We’ve supposedly told them it’s £50m with Hibs having a 10% sell-on fee. They’re not prepared to pay that.

I like this new model of ours, telling those special big clubs to bugger off and also sniffing around their players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2021, 10:14:56 AM
I do love how the press seemingly ignore small details like him signing a brand new contract in December less than six months ago. 

Nuno signed a new deal at Wolves in the autumn. Love/Money changes everything.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pooligan on June 24, 2021, 11:36:16 AM
The so called bigger clubs must still think we are owned by the likes of Doug Ellis  and Randy Learner and will sell if they fancy one our better players .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 11:53:55 AM
Where do people see McGinn playing next season?  Assuming we continue playing with a 10 and not two 8's, the way I see it is we need a new DM and will have Luiz, Sanson and SJM competing for the 'box to box' role.

I think McGinn provides more than the sum of his footballing qualities, with his personality in the dressing room, best mates with Jack etc - but looking at it coldly if that £50m enabled us to get an excellent DM, given we have Luiz and Sanson, would be stronger over all for it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2021, 12:21:01 PM
I think we could manage without him but Deano loves him, as does Jack...he's a tremendous character to have in the squad. One of the few examples where I'd be keener on him to stay for non-footballing reasons than what he does on the pitch (which isn't to say he's pish...he's a fine player, but we are going to be crowded by top midfield options by the end of the summer).

It would be the first sale of a key player under the current ownership and even at a silly amount (i.e £50m), it would knock-us back in the reputation we have worked so hard to re-establish as a big club that means business.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 12:30:04 PM
Agree with al that Eamonn.  It's kind of how I feel.  But unless they see Luiz as the DM going forward then as you say it's a lot of competition and I'd like to see what Sanson can do.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: in exile on June 24, 2021, 12:42:24 PM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for  reputed £50m.  I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for that
Get in the queue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TaxDodger on June 24, 2021, 12:43:24 PM
We can't sell McGinn. McGinn is awesome. Go away Liverpool.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on June 24, 2021, 12:52:12 PM
Think he would flourish in a better side. We’ve had average holding midfielders behind him and average attacking midfielders in front of him (excluding the wingers) for a couple of seasons. We will see the best of him when these positions are upgraded and that’s why I wouldn’t be selling just yet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dick Edwards on June 24, 2021, 01:01:39 PM
I’ve been following the story for a few days. The talk is that Liverpool thought they could get him for £20m. We’ve supposedly told them it’s £50m with Hibs having a 10% sell-on fee. They’re not prepared to pay that.

If the story is actually true, it beggars belief that Super League wannabees Liverpool think they could take an international and first team regular in his prime from a Premier League rival, and one who they must also consider good enough for their team, for £20m!

Perhaps they have SJM and Conor Hourihane mixed up. They might be able to get Conor for that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on June 24, 2021, 01:06:02 PM
£20 million is a right piss take. If they think that’s all he’s worth they can go shopping in the 2nd division.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
I think we could manage without him but Deano loves him, as does Jack...he's a tremendous character to have in the squad. One of the few examples where I'd be keener on him to stay for non-footballing reasons than what he does on the pitch (which isn't to say he's pish...he's a fine player, but we are going to be crowded by top midfield options by the end of the summer).

It would be the first sale of a key player under the current ownership and even at a silly amount (i.e £50m), it would knock-us back in the reputation we have worked so hard to re-establish as a big club that means business.

Agreed. He’s a leader like Mings who also adds more than just his ability. Think Buendia will be another one. There are quite a few in our team who would get in top 4/6 teams, which is why we are rapidly becoming one.

4 more and we’ll crack it IMO. DM, Alvarez, Smith-Rowe, JWP.

No sales.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
I think we could manage without him but Deano loves him, as does Jack...he's a tremendous character to have in the squad. One of the few examples where I'd be keener on him to stay for non-footballing reasons than what he does on the pitch (which isn't to say he's pish...he's a fine player, but we are going to be crowded by top midfield options by the end of the summer).

It would be the first sale of a key player under the current ownership and even at a silly amount (i.e £50m), it would knock-us back in the reputation we have worked so hard to re-establish as a big club that means business.

Agreed. He’s a leader like Mings who also adds more than just his ability. Think Buendia will be another one. There are quite a few in our team who would get in top 4/6 teams, which is why we are rapidly becoming one.

4 more and we’ll crack it IMO. DM, Alvarez, Smith-Rowe, JWP.

No sales.

Rather than loooking specifically at the top 4 I think we should compare ourselves to Leicester, that's who we want to 'be' next year. If you pick the best 11 from both of us I don't think there's much in it but they have 2 big differences to us.

We have no one who compares to Ndidi and lets the 4 midfields/wingers in front of him play their game.
We haven't had a reliable backup to our primary centre forward.

Fill those 2 gaps and I honestly see nothing in the team that finished 5th that we can't match. After that we just need a bit of luck with injuries or to add depth to cover for them. If we can overtake Leicester then the top 4 isn't such abig jump from there and I don't think it would be impossible this year.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 24, 2021, 01:43:25 PM
I think we could manage without him but Deano loves him, as does Jack...he's a tremendous character to have in the squad. One of the few examples where I'd be keener on him to stay for non-footballing reasons than what he does on the pitch (which isn't to say he's pish...he's a fine player, but we are going to be crowded by top midfield options by the end of the summer).

It would be the first sale of a key player under the current ownership and even at a silly amount (i.e £50m), it would knock-us back in the reputation we have worked so hard to re-establish as a big club that means business.

Agreed. He’s a leader like Mings who also adds more than just his ability. Think Buendia will be another one. There are quite a few in our team who would get in top 4/6 teams, which is why we are rapidly becoming one.

4 more and we’ll crack it IMO. DM, Alvarez, Smith-Rowe, JWP.

No sales.

Rather than loooking specifically at the top 4 I think we should compare ourselves to Leicester, that's who we want to 'be' next year. If you pick the best 11 from both of us I don't think there's much in it but they have 2 big differences to us.

We have no one who compares to Ndidi and lets the 4 midfields/wingers in front of him play their game.
We haven't had a reliable backup to our primary centre forward.

Fill those 2 gaps and I honestly see nothing in the team that finished 5th that we can't match. After that we just need a bit of luck with injuries or to add depth to cover for them. If we can overtake Leicester then the top 4 isn't such abig jump from there and I don't think it would be impossible this year.

I'd say in Barnes, Maddison and Tielemans they've got more consistently excellent players than we have in the attacking areas. Obviously we have Jack who is better than all of those, but the drop off in quality when Jack was missing last season was stark. Buendia is a step towards putting that right. I agree that a top quality defensive midfielder is a must. It doesn't really seem to suit either Luiz or McGinn's natural game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2021, 02:22:56 PM
I think we could manage without him but Deano loves him, as does Jack...he's a tremendous character to have in the squad. One of the few examples where I'd be keener on him to stay for non-footballing reasons than what he does on the pitch (which isn't to say he's pish...he's a fine player, but we are going to be crowded by top midfield options by the end of the summer).

It would be the first sale of a key player under the current ownership and even at a silly amount (i.e £50m), it would knock-us back in the reputation we have worked so hard to re-establish as a big club that means business.

Agreed. He’s a leader like Mings who also adds more than just his ability. Think Buendia will be another one. There are quite a few in our team who would get in top 4/6 teams, which is why we are rapidly becoming one.

4 more and we’ll crack it IMO. DM, Alvarez, Smith-Rowe, JWP.

No sales.

Rather than loooking specifically at the top 4 I think we should compare ourselves to Leicester, that's who we want to 'be' next year. If you pick the best 11 from both of us I don't think there's much in it but they have 2 big differences to us.

We have no one who compares to Ndidi and lets the 4 midfields/wingers in front of him play their game.
We haven't had a reliable backup to our primary centre forward.

Fill those 2 gaps and I honestly see nothing in the team that finished 5th that we can't match. After that we just need a bit of luck with injuries or to add depth to cover for them. If we can overtake Leicester then the top 4 isn't such abig jump from there and I don't think it would be impossible this year.

I'd say in Barnes, Maddison and Tielemans they've got more consistently excellent players than we have in the attacking areas. Obviously we have Jack who is better than all of those, but the drop off in quality when Jack was missing last season was stark. Buendia is a step towards putting that right. I agree that a top quality defensive midfielder is a must. It doesn't really seem to suit either Luiz or McGinn's natural game.

To be fair I was already counting in Buendia. Tielemans is the difficult one, I really rate him but I think Luiz and McGinn could get pretty close if they had someone doing more of the defensive work for them. get that signing right and I think, on balance, our midfield options would be a solid match for them, we just need that top class defensive option in there to balance things out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2021, 02:43:22 PM
I don't disagree, Paul, but are we even looking for that type of player? Smith-Rowe seems to be more attack-minded and as we've made a bid, clearly we seem to want to improve more attacking options from midfield despite having Grealish and Buendia (and the two wingers).

Is it Ward-Prowse? Or could Sanson be that defensive option? From his Marseille highlights he likes a tackle, but it's too early in his Villa performances to say he could do that for us. I fear he's another bits and pieces midfielder and we are stock-piling that type - McGinn/Luiz/Ramsey/Hourihane (if he hangs around).

I worry that our midfield will look bloated in number with too many generalists and not enough specialists come the start of the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jwarry on June 24, 2021, 02:48:30 PM
I don't disagree, Paul, but are we even looking for that type of player? Smith-Rowe seems to be more attack-minded and as we've made a bid, clearly we seem to want to improve more attacking options from midfield despite having Grealish and Buendia (and the two wingers).

Is it Ward-Prowse? Or could Sanson be that defensive option? From his Marseille highlights he likes a tackle, but it's too early in his Villa performances to say he could do that for us. I fear he's another bits and pieces midfielder and we are stock-piling that type - McGinn/Luiz/Ramsey/Hourihane (if he hangs around).

I worry that our midfield will look bloated in number with too many generalists and not enough specialists come the start of the season.

Before we write Sanson off let’s not forget what he can do
https://youtu.be/LVs45IPX-_s
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 03:51:02 PM
I'm a bit perplexed by JWP.  Excellent player as I think he is again I think he'd be more suited to the McGinn, Luiz, Sanson role.  I can't see him being happy being expected to be our main DM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2021, 03:57:36 PM
I don't disagree, Paul, but are we even looking for that type of player? Smith-Rowe seems to be more attack-minded and as we've made a bid, clearly we seem to want to improve more attacking options from midfield despite having Grealish and Buendia (and the two wingers).
Is it Ward-Prowse? Or could Sanson be that defensive option? From his Marseille highlights he likes a tackle, but it's too early in his Villa performances to say he could do that for us. I fear he's another bits and pieces midfielder and we are stock-piling that type - McGinn/Luiz/Ramsey/Hourihane (if he hangs around).
I worry that our midfield will look bloated in number with too many generalists and not enough specialists come the start of the season.
Before we write Sanson off let’s not forget what he can do
https://youtu.be/LVs45IPX-_s
Upping the quality of the squad as a whole (occupying opposition defences) will give players like Sanson the chance to shine, perhaps more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 04:00:30 PM
I'm a bit perplexed by JWP.  Excellent player as I think he is again I think he'd be more suited to the McGinn, Luiz, Sanson role.  I can't see him being happy being expected to be our main DM.

As far as I know, not sure we’re definitely interested. But I don’t think he’d be our DM if we did sign him.

I want us to have a strong squad with intense competition and minimal drop off in standards for injuries and suspensions. The type of squad that competes on four fronts and wins things. Like:

Martinez

Cash
Targett
Mings
Konsa

Bissouma
Ward-Prowse
McGinn

Buendia
Watkins
Grealish

Subs:
Steer
Young
Hause
Luiz
Smith-Rowe
Alvarez
Wesley
Chuck
Traore
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2021, 04:21:18 PM

... I want us to have a strong squad with intense competition and minimal drop off in standards for injuries and suspensions. The type of squad that competes on four fronts and wins things. Like:

Martinez

Cash
Targett
Mings
Konsa

Bissouma
Ward-Prowse
McGinn

Buendia
Watkins
Grealish

Subs:
Steer
Young
Hause
Luiz
Smith-Rowe
Alvarez
Wesley
Chuck
Traore
That's a helluva line-up, if we could keep them all happy (although potentially light in defensive cover).
And, Ramsey, Barry, Ramsey Minor et al don't even make it until injuries / suspensions play a part.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 04:23:10 PM
I'd love it if we got Bissouma, Smith Rowe & JWP.  So are you a playing a 6 and two 8's or McGinn at 10?

If we got Smith Rowe he'd have to start at 10 for me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
I'd love it if we got Bissouma, Smith Rowe & JWP.  So are you a playing a 6 and two 8's or McGinn at 10?

If we got Smith Rowe he'd have to start at 10 for me.

I’d play a 6 and two 8s with those three (Bissouma, JWP & SJM). Mad pressing energy with Ollie and Buendia as well. ESR would play 10 when we change formation or 11 when Jack’s out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2021, 04:54:13 PM
I'd love it if we got Bissouma, Smith Rowe & JWP.  So are you a playing a 6 and two 8's or McGinn at 10?

If we got Smith Rowe he'd have to start at 10 for me.

I’d play a 6 and two 8s with those three (Bissouma, JWP & SJM). Mad pressing energy with Ollie and Buendia as well. ESR would play 10 when we change formation or 11 when Jack’s out.

I'd always play 2 8s but switch between a 6 or a 10 depending on the game (generally a 6 away and a 10 at home) I'd also consider some of the players as rotation options.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 05:04:51 PM
I'd love it if we got Bissouma, Smith Rowe & JWP.  So are you a playing a 6 and two 8's or McGinn at 10?

If we got Smith Rowe he'd have to start at 10 for me.

I’d play a 6 and two 8s with those three (Bissouma, JWP & SJM). Mad pressing energy with Ollie and Buendia as well. ESR would play 10 when we change formation or 11 when Jack’s out.

I'd always play 2 8s but switch between a 6 or a 10 depending on the game (generally a 6 away and a 10 at home) I'd also consider some of the players as rotation options.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 24, 2021, 05:42:11 PM
Before we write Sanson off let’s not forget what he can do
https://youtu.be/LVs45IPX-_s

Seeing that again, maybe Sanson's best position is the Barkley role. He's technically good with both feet, can play and moves right across the front, lethal shooting from just outside the box, not afraid to drop back to pick up the ball and bring it forward and the complete opposite of Ross Barkley, loves to put a shift in. Maybe we've already got our 10.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2021, 05:43:10 PM
Before we write Sanson off let’s not forget what he can do
https://youtu.be/LVs45IPX-_s
Seeing that again, maybe Sanson's best position is the Barkley role. He's technically good with both feet, can play and moves right across the front, lethal shooting from just outside the box, not afraid to drop back to pick up the ball and bring it forward and the complete opposite of Ross Barkley, loves to put a shift in. Maybe we've already got our 10.
Yes, what I thought.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 25, 2021, 09:44:09 PM
Before we write Sanson off let’s not forget what he can do
https://youtu.be/LVs45IPX-_s
Seeing that again, maybe Sanson's best position is the Barkley role. He's technically good with both feet, can play and moves right across the front, lethal shooting from just outside the box, not afraid to drop back to pick up the ball and bring it forward and the complete opposite of Ross Barkley, loves to put a shift in. Maybe we've already got our 10.
Yes, what I thought.

The Smith Rowe link is great because it is a huge statement but I’d prefer that statement being applied to signing a decent DM.  Bissouma being an obvious candidate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2021, 09:56:59 PM
No issue with SJM staying, he ended the season pretty well after all.

One little issue I have though and I'd love some theories on.....why is he never ever subbed?

Pretty sure last season he wasn't taken off in a single game he started.

Can anyone understand the logic there? I mean it's an issue as McGinn tends to flag after 70 minutes with all the effort he puts in so we simply can't press that well if his energy levels are well down so inevitably we drop deep.

Is Dean scared to death we'd just collapse if we took him off when 1 up? Seems odd as for example we took Jack off after 70 minutes v Spurs given he was still in his comeback stage then and we held on comfortably for the win v 7th place finish. Luiz came on for him in that game IIRC and Nakamba was regulary on the bench last season so not like we hardly have any o.k midfield options to see games out, add Sanson back into the mix aswell.

Think this is where we need to get smarter next season. Have the guts to sub some of our key players off around 75/80th minute mark even if we're just a goal up as in the long run that should mean they're sharper come business end of the seasons when we always struggle to peak unless we're battling relegation.

The world won't end if McGinn is on the bench for a game or two which will happen sooner or later if we're targeting likes of Ward Prowse. He'll still do for now anyway as he's got plenty of credit in the bank.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2021, 10:39:12 AM
Seeing that again, maybe Sanson's best position is the Barkley role. He's technically good with both feet, can play and moves right across the front, lethal shooting from just outside the box, not afraid to drop back to pick up the ball and bring it forward and the complete opposite of Ross Barkley, loves to put a shift in. Maybe we've already got our 10.

He never looked that good at anything to me last season, bit of a utility player. But he came into the team midway through a season and had to adjust so no surprise.

I look at how much Nakamba, Targett and El Ghazi improved after the first season and hope we see the same uptick from Sansom. He was highly rated in France and played Champions League football, so you'd think theres more to come from him next season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jwarry on July 01, 2021, 03:33:05 PM
Been a bit quiet on the SJM rumours this week, wonder if it’s because his suitors have seem this https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2021/06/30/hilarious-video-shows-john-mcginns-disastrous-attempt-at-backflip-scottish-football-news/

😂
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 01, 2021, 04:46:11 PM
Been a bit quiet on the SJM rumours this week, wonder if it’s because his suitors have seem this https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2021/06/30/hilarious-video-shows-john-mcginns-disastrous-attempt-at-backflip-scottish-football-news/

😂

That's not actually him is it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2021, 06:25:33 PM
Been a bit quiet on the SJM rumours this week, wonder if it’s because his suitors have seem this https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2021/06/30/hilarious-video-shows-john-mcginns-disastrous-attempt-at-backflip-scottish-football-news/

😂

That's not actually him is it?

When the bloke looks up from the water it looks nothing like him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 01, 2021, 07:43:21 PM
He must of put on 2 stone since Scotland were knocked out and had a huge amount of tattoo work done.

100% not him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 01, 2021, 08:22:04 PM
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2021, 10:48:27 PM
That was John McGim
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2021, 09:32:42 AM
I see John McGinn was captain yesterday!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2021, 09:52:49 AM
I expect John McGinn to kick on this season.  Gives the ball away too much, doesn't score many goals or create a load, but does do a lot of dirty work.  Seems somewhat unedifying to say it but I'd hope for much more from him this season. I don't know whether it's the position he's being asked to play in or because he has reached his level?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2021, 10:06:03 AM
I expect John McGinn to kick on this season.  Gives the ball away too much, doesn't score many goals or create a load, but does do a lot of dirty work.  Seems somewhat unedifying to say it but I'd hope for much more from him this season. I don't know whether it's the position he's being asked to play in or because he has reached his level?
I was expecting Ash Young to captain though.
I love Ginny but I think the captain role is more for him at Scotland.
To me agree but Yes he grew in season latterly and became far more apparent and influential in matches and immense in leading the press or playing passes as well as the winning the ball back. Brilliant energy and to see him back to near peak levels on that side was joyous.

I also think he still must continue to work in his onfield discipline. Far too many cautions and inevitably suspending ensued.

All well and good part of his game but he could become someone who will lose out on minutes when getting cautioned so much as to be on safe side be subbed off or rotated as well as suspended and then unable to get back straight into team as squad becomes competitive.
Point being some of his cautions are avoidable. Yet he'll persist in mindless tackling which prohibits both him and the team.


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on July 25, 2021, 10:50:34 AM
If you take away the aggression and enthusiasm he brings, it’s probably best not to play him at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2021, 01:45:59 PM
His arse now looks the size of uranus.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2021, 02:32:56 PM
It's not Ginny, it's Meatball !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 11:20:13 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/McGinn-feeling-positive-for-2021-22-campaign/

Sounding captain esq.
And I like his attitude. "Now we’ve got players coming into good ages. We’re going to be at Villa for years to come and hopefully with the more Premier League games we get under our belt, the more experienced we are, the more we can push up the table"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on August 14, 2021, 12:08:55 PM
…and congratulations to our new vice captain as well! SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on August 15, 2021, 12:41:25 PM
Due to our dismal yesterday, his goal has hardly been mentioned, but that was a quality goal from him yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2021, 12:45:24 PM
That's the second belter he's scored in a game when he might as well not have bothered.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on August 15, 2021, 06:01:49 PM
We might be counting the goal difference for a Champions League place you know!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on August 15, 2021, 06:15:07 PM
Another of the very few positives from yesterday was McGinn
I thought he looked good

I’ve no idea where his best position is yet though
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 15, 2021, 06:26:22 PM
Another of the very few positives from yesterday was McGinn
I thought he looked good

I’ve no idea where his best position is yet though

based on the squad we have, I’d play three 8s.  That should allow him to buzz around and get involved which is his strength, occasionally finding himself in attacking positions when we have the ball.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2021, 08:57:52 PM
What's going on here
Dean Smith knew earlier in week he would be unavailable but didn't mention at all when asked pre match and team news. It was  suggested all other players were available yet today after match he says he McGinn covid situation earlier in week. Only the rumours that came out were we to find out and then official news
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2021, 11:47:13 AM
Confirmed that McGinn has Covid he wasn't just isolating.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2021, 11:55:04 AM
He tweeted: “Disappointed to miss out on the last 2 matches and Wednesday night with a positive Covid test. Thankfully no symptoms and feeling fine. See you all soon.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on August 29, 2021, 11:58:57 AM
What's going on here
Dean Smith knew earlier in week he would be unavailable but didn't mention at all when asked pre match and team news. It was  suggested all other players were available yet today after match he says he McGinn covid situation earlier in week. Only the rumours that came out were we to find out and then official news

I don’t believe a word Smith says in the pressers anymore. Not that it’s a bad thing as he doesn’t want to tip off the opposition but he’s been proven to be economical with the truth. I haven’t bothered with them this season tbh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2021, 12:01:19 PM
What's going on here
Dean Smith knew earlier in week he would be unavailable but didn't mention at all when asked pre match and team news. It was  suggested all other players were available yet today after match he says he McGinn covid situation earlier in week. Only the rumours that came out were we to find out and then official news

I don’t believe a word Smith says in the pressers anymore. Not that it’s a bad thing as he doesn’t want to tip off the opposition but he’s been proven to be economical with the truth. I haven’t bothered with them this season tbh.
yeh but no
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flin5tone on August 29, 2021, 12:08:26 PM
Players should be deducted wages if they don't get the Vaccine. I have a feeling half our squad are unvaccinated
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2021, 12:16:42 PM
I have a feeling a you're a tedious troll.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2021, 12:22:45 PM
Players should be deducted wages if they don't get the Vaccine. I have a feeling half our squad are unvaccinated
Yes and supermarket checkout operators should have their arms amputated for same offence. You do like making ridiculous  remarks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on September 04, 2021, 10:46:53 AM
Returns for Scotland tonight
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SaddVillan on September 06, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
McGinniesta's older brother Paul (30), who plays defence for Hibs has been called up to the Scottish squad for the World Cup qualifier game v Austria, to be played in Vienna tomorrow k.o 1945.

Would win his first cap if he plays.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 06, 2021, 10:46:03 PM
Players should be deducted wages if they don't get the Vaccine. I have a feeling half our squad are unvaccinated

I'm sure Lee Bowyer would bully them all into getting double jabbed.  Not the first time he's jabbed someone from what I understand.  I think your lot will be ok fella.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
McGinn looks a different player when he doesn’t have to sit.  I really hope we play three in midfielders from now on and obsess with having a ten.
We will have to switch/swap Ings and Watkins to make this work but I think it will be worth it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 11, 2021, 08:45:59 PM
McGinn looks a different player when he doesn’t have to sit.  I really hope we play three in midfielders from now on and obsess with having a ten.
We will have to switch/swap Ings and Watkins to make this work but I think it will be worth it.
As I've said before, Smith wants midfielders who can sit, pass, tackle, play and score. Hence his apparent lack of interest in a world-class DMF.
McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Sanson, Chukwuemeka and Buendia can do all these things (although, based on tonight, MacPhee needs to help Ramsey and Luiz in shooting practice).
Marv is a tactical player, brought in to shut things down ... which is why I was surprised to see him come on tonight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2021, 08:54:41 PM
McGinn looks a different player when he doesn’t have to sit.  I really hope we play three in midfielders from now on and obsess with having a ten.
We will have to switch/swap Ings and Watkins to make this work but I think it will be worth it.
As I've said before, Smith wants midfielders who can sit, pass, tackle, play and score. Hence his apparent lack of interest in a world-class DMF.
McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Sanson, Chukwuemeka and Buendia can do all these things (although, based on tonight, MacPhee needs to help Ramsey and Luiz in shooting practice).
Marv is a tactical player, brought in to shut things down ... which is why I was surprised to see him come on tonight.

In which case I agree with Smith but it only works if three are playing othewise you’re in a situation where you need at least one DMC.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 11, 2021, 08:59:28 PM
He's so good at so many things, but his distribution is often terrible. It's why he plays for us rather than one of the c*nt teams.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 11, 2021, 09:01:41 PM
He's so good at so many things, but his distribution is often terrible. It's why he plays for us rather than one of the c*nt teams.

I agree. He looked much better today, becacuse he got to do more driving forward than when he's asked to sit with Luiz in that two in front of the back four. Passing isn't his thing though really is it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 11, 2021, 09:18:14 PM
He's so good at so many things, but his distribution is often terrible. It's why he plays for us rather than one of the c*nt teams.

I agree. He looked much better today, becacuse he got to do more driving forward than when he's asked to sit with Luiz in that two in front of the back four. Passing isn't his thing though really is it?

He's a bit of a curate's egg. He tackles and wins the ball so well that you can see why the manager has persisted with him as a DM. He surges forward so well (and scores the odd screamer) that you can see why fans are screaming for him to play further up the pitch. But the inability to pass well consistently means he's not really a player that you can build around, and shouldn't be accommodating if you're serious about being a European team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 11, 2021, 11:47:58 PM
Brilliant today just needs to cut out the yellow cards
He had the most of any player last season
Let's him down
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on September 12, 2021, 01:28:29 AM
He got booked for winning the ball. An abysmal decision by a wank referee.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 12, 2021, 08:01:18 AM
The booking was just ridiclous. I've no idea why Footy has a thing for players getting booked. It's a bit odd although yes, he does get too many.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on September 12, 2021, 11:08:33 AM
He's a cracking player.  Never stops pressing, chips in with goals and I don't see his passing as being that bad either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on September 12, 2021, 11:13:21 AM
He got booked for winning the ball. An abysmal decision by a wank referee.

I know you can’t rescind a yellow card, but surely it wouldn’t take someone 10 seconds to look at that and realise it was an appalling decision.

Thought SJM was superb yesterday. Ron Saunders would’ve fucking loved him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 12, 2021, 11:26:25 AM
He was one of quitea few real positives for me yesterday.
Tenacious in the tackle and work rate off the scale.
Any side or fan would want him in their starting XI.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 12, 2021, 02:26:45 PM
He’s getting back to his best which will help the rest of the midfield. Playing with more freedom since joe left
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 12, 2021, 03:50:17 PM
He was one of quitea few real positives for me yesterday.
Tenacious in the tackle and work rate off the scale.
Any side or fan would want him in their starting XI.

Absolutely. He was inspirational yesterday. The way he dispossessed their midfielders high up the pitch would have taken the roof off had the match been played at Villa Park.

That tenacity really raises the temperature.

For me our most important player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 12, 2021, 07:32:39 PM
Faded a bit in the second half but was a driving force for us yesterday.  I though both he and Dougie played well, as did Ramsey to be fair.  Passing still a bid hit and miss but seems to have upped his game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2021, 08:14:18 PM
The booking was just ridiclous. I've no idea why Footy has a thing for players getting booked. It's a bit odd although yes, he does get too many.

Footy like our players to be disciplined, nowt wrong with that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 13, 2021, 08:25:05 AM
The booking was just ridiclous. I've no idea why Footy has a thing for players getting booked. It's a bit odd although yes, he does get too many.

Footy like our players to be disciplined, nowt wrong with that.

Getting booked is just going to happen though and sometimes it can't be helped, especially when you have refs like the one we had Saturday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 13, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
Yes McGinn's was just unlucky and not at all deserved, unlike Ramsey's which was incredibly stupid and needless. Hope he learns to cut those out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 02:58:05 PM
To be fair, it wouldn't have been a booking if he had been a Chelsea player. Referee was just a cheat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on September 13, 2021, 05:14:54 PM
McGinn looks a different player when he doesn’t have to sit.  I really hope we play three in midfielders from now on and obsess with having a ten.
We will have to switch/swap Ings and Watkins to make this work but I think it will be worth it.
As I've said before, Smith wants midfielders who can sit, pass, tackle, play and score. Hence his apparent lack of interest in a world-class DMF.
McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Sanson, Chukwuemeka and Buendia can do all these things (although, based on tonight, MacPhee needs to help Ramsey and Luiz in shooting practice).
Marv is a tactical player, brought in to shut things down ... which is why I was surprised to see him come on tonight.

In which case I agree with Smith but it only works if three are playing othewise you’re in a situation where you need at least one DMC.

One DMC??  It's tricky...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 13, 2021, 05:35:18 PM
McGinn looks a different player when he doesn’t have to sit.  I really hope we play three in midfielders from now on and obsess with having a ten.
We will have to switch/swap Ings and Watkins to make this work but I think it will be worth it.
As I've said before, Smith wants midfielders who can sit, pass, tackle, play and score. Hence his apparent lack of interest in a world-class DMF.
McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Sanson, Chukwuemeka and Buendia can do all these things (although, based on tonight, MacPhee needs to help Ramsey and Luiz in shooting practice).
Marv is a tactical player, brought in to shut things down ... which is why I was surprised to see him come on tonight.

In which case I agree with Smith but it only works if three are playing othewise you’re in a situation where you need at least one DMC.

One DMC??  It's tricky...

Like what you did there
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 13, 2021, 06:53:36 PM
He was the only one talking to the ref about his decision making whilst Mings was passive.
I would have SJM as skipper.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on September 13, 2021, 06:56:17 PM
What's this Chelsea abuse thing of McGinn that's being investigated?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 13, 2021, 07:01:54 PM
What's this Chelsea abuse thing of McGinn that's being investigated?
It seems a Chelsea fan was shouting something sectarian at him.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12407330/john-mcginn-chelsea-investigating-alleged-sectarian-abuse-of-aston-villa-midfielder
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 07:20:46 PM
Video here. I think I can guess who the bigot's second team is.

https://twitter.com/garland_conor/status/1437098776540422150?s=08
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on September 13, 2021, 07:22:57 PM
Why did he call him a fucking Vegan bastard?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flin5tone on September 13, 2021, 07:27:38 PM
Disgusting

Amazes me how people get so worked up and angry over race or nationality
You can Boo a player and make it hostile for the opposition but this scum need to be driven out of Stadiums
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nev on September 13, 2021, 07:28:15 PM
"We are the people"

Yeah, and we know what sort.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: FrankyH on September 13, 2021, 07:29:15 PM
Club statement

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/Club-Statement/
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 13, 2021, 07:32:31 PM
Pathetic individual.
Hopefully he's identified and banned from watching football again.
I'd Imagine Chelsea will come down hard on him poor lad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2021, 07:37:29 PM
Was this the idiot in the corner who kept gobbing off and giving SJM the V's?  I noticed him when watching the game and wondered why, given everyone could see it on the telly and it makes Chelsea look stupid, they didn't haul him out there and then.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 07:38:58 PM
We see what the media reaction is going to be, especially Talksport,
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 13, 2021, 07:39:36 PM
Chelsea - Rangers - Linfield

The Zombie alliance
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 13, 2021, 07:41:50 PM
Club statement

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/Club-Statement/

from Chelsea

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2021/09/13/club-statement
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2021, 07:45:06 PM
Club statement

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/Club-Statement/

from Chelsea

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2021/09/13/club-statement

Blimey, their website is a bit pony.  Shame their centre forward isn't, or their midfielders, or defenders come to that!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: algy on September 13, 2021, 07:47:52 PM
Why did he call him a fucking Vegan bastard?
;D

Pescatarian wankers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 13, 2021, 07:50:21 PM
Video here. I think I can guess who the bigot's second team is.

https://twitter.com/garland_conor/status/1437098776540422150?s=08

Has anyone got an English translation?! I genuinely can't work out a word he's saying!!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2021, 07:55:40 PM
Video here. I think I can guess who the bigot's second team is.

https://twitter.com/garland_conor/status/1437098776540422150?s=08

Has anyone got an English translation?! I genuinely can't work out a word he's saying!!!

Seems pretty clear to me.

He shouts: "Boo you f****** F***** b******. McGinn, you dirty ****.

"F*** off you f****** w*****. We Are The People!

"F*** off!"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT on September 13, 2021, 07:58:37 PM
Video here. I think I can guess who the bigot's second team is.

https://twitter.com/garland_conor/status/1437098776540422150?s=08

Has anyone got an English translation?! I genuinely can't work out a word he's saying!!!

I must admit, I couldn’t either. I got “boo”, that was about it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 08:01:41 PM
When you are called it a few times you generally get to understand,
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 08:11:28 PM
When you are called it a few times you generally get to understand,

Yep, I've been called it a few times, including once when I was wearing a Celtic watch that I bought purely because my watch had broken, and it was the cheapest one I could find in a charity shop I went to.

Only been called a Taig twice though, so that's something to be grateful for.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 13, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
When you are called it a few times you generally get to understand,

I'm sure this is my total ignorance so please excuse the dumb questions, but what is the element of sectarian abuse? All the effing and jeffing is stuff you'd hear at any ground to any player.

What's the relevance of the "We are the people" comment?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 08:19:19 PM
When you are called it a few times you generally get to understand,

I'm sure this is my total ignorance so please excuse the dumb questions, but what is the element of sectarian abuse? All the effing and jeffing is stuff you'd hear at any ground to any player.

What's the relevance of the "We are the people" comment?

I believe it relates to the word 'fenian'. Can't say the word bothers me too much, but it's clearly abuse of a player based on his background.

'We are the People' is a Rangers/bigot thing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 13, 2021, 08:21:05 PM
Getting called a Fenian is surely a badge of honour anyway! The first Villa game I saw was at Stamford Bridge about 25 years ago....lots of Chelsea/Rangers band of brothers type scarves for sale at the time. Suspect their support is a bit more multi cultural these days.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on September 13, 2021, 08:23:18 PM
I've never understood irish Chelsea fans. Glory hunters who've not done even the remotest bit of research.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 08:26:00 PM
When you get called a Villa B**tard, even by that lot down the road,get called it my mate in the pub everytime he sees me, I don't have a problem  but when I am called a Fenian B**tard by anyone connected with loyalism or Glasgow Rangers they mean it with hatred, because that's what they have been bought up with,would anyone stand for it if Rashford was called a black b**tard, no they wouldn't,
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2021, 08:33:47 PM
Exactly, although judging by the standard of hearing on here they'll be claiming Rashford (or e.g. Mings) was being called a 'slack b**tard'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 08:34:29 PM
Quite. And, while I dislike the club, credit to Chelsea for denouncing it so quickly with no whataboutery. When their cousins north of the border sing songs including that word, at virtually every match, "Rangers" either pretend it didn't happen or claim that they are somehow being victimised.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 13, 2021, 08:41:36 PM
When you are called it a few times you generally get to understand,

I'm sure this is my total ignorance so please excuse the dumb questions, but what is the element of sectarian abuse? All the effing and jeffing is stuff you'd hear at any ground to any player.

What's the relevance of the "We are the people" comment?

I believe it relates to the word 'fenian'. Can't say the word bothers me too much, but it's clearly abuse of a player based on his background.

'We are the People' is a Rangers/bigot thing.

Ok thanks. Hopefully Chelsea ban the simpleton for a very long time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 08:57:40 PM
So weird that the world's two vilest cubs have such an affinity for one another.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 08:59:33 PM
One of life's great mysteries.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 09:12:25 PM
Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?

I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dr.chekov on September 13, 2021, 09:15:18 PM
I think SJM's uncle or something was a director, or something, at Celtic. Some family connection anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 09:15:25 PM
Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?

I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.

His Grandad was chairman, and he's a lifelong fan.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 09:15:56 PM
Quite. And, while I dislike the club, credit to Chelsea for denouncing it so quickly with no whataboutery. When their cousins north of the border sing songs including that word, at virtually every match, "Rangers" either pretend it didn't happen or claim that they are somehow being victimised.

If people can't sing 'we're up to our knees in fenian blood' then it's political correctness gone mad!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on September 13, 2021, 09:16:26 PM
McGinn's corner was a bit wank though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 09:17:06 PM
These days, if you say you're up to your knees in Fenian blood, they throw you in jail.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
Thanks Dr Chekov and Ealing. I wasn't aware of that. These bigots do their research, I'll give them that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 09:18:35 PM
These days, if you say you're up to your knees in Fenian blood, they throw you in jail.

Haha!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 09:36:22 PM
Look up the lyrics to the Billy boys song and Billy Fullerton concerning  Fenian blood,might explain it a bit better, the same place Fullerton come from is bridgton cross, young Celtic fan had his throat slit walking through bridgton by a Jason Campbell,who two uncles were convicted UVF members for blowing up a Catholic pub in Glasgow, this hatred has been going on for over one hundred years but nothing has been done to stop it
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 13, 2021, 09:39:15 PM
These days, if you say you're up to your knees in Fenian blood, they throw you in jail.

Do they? What, just for saying you’re up to your knees in Fenian blood? They arrest you and throw you in jail?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 09:41:13 PM
When did this come in?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 09:46:41 PM
When did this come in?

After my cousin, whose Dad is Irish and Mom is black, was called a 'cheating n*gger IRA fucking ******' on a football pitch. The parent who shouted that wasn't reprimanded or anything. My cousin was 13.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: lovejoy on September 13, 2021, 09:47:06 PM
At the recent old firm game the Rangers fans were referencing that Celtic fans should go home because the famine was over.
This is vent occurred 170 years ago and pre dates the clubs.
And there was no away fans.
It’s a societal problem and until it’s taken seriously it will always be there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 09:54:06 PM
These days, if you say you're up to your knees in Fenian blood, they throw you in jail.

Do they? What, just for saying you’re up to your knees in Fenian blood? They arrest you and throw you in jail?

You honestly can't say anything. These days, if you say 'bollocks', free speech activists throw you in jail.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 13, 2021, 09:59:33 PM
These days, if you say you're up to your knees in Fenian blood, they throw you in jail.

Do they? What, just for saying you’re up to your knees in Fenian blood? They arrest you and throw you in jail?

You honestly can't say anything. These days, if you say 'bollocks', free speech activists throw you in jail.

These days, you can’t even quote Fawlty Towers without them warning the authorities that you’re a  trans-atlantic hitman, these days.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 10:01:48 PM
Hahaha!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 10:14:43 PM
Wonder if the attitude would be different if it was n***ers blood or Jewish blood or Muslim blood
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 10:28:01 PM
At the recent old firm game the Rangers fans were referencing that Celtic fans should go home because the famine was over.
This is vent occurred 170 years ago and pre dates the clubs.
And there was no away fans.
It’s a societal problem and until it’s taken seriously it will always be there.

Yep. As an English guy from an Irish background, I had a very strange experience in Glasgow. I visited Ibrox just to have a look and I was intimidated, followed, suffered sectarian abuse, spat at in the street. It was like they smelled the cabbage and white pudding in my genes.

I thought 'oh great, I got shit around Ibrox for having an Irish-looking head, I'll get shit around Parkhead for having an English accent' but everyone was really nice.

Our hotel receptionist, who was a Hearts fan, said they get more tourists and half/half scarf types at Celtic Park, so it's a bit more relaxed around there.

Don't know if that's true or not, but I was 16 when I went, and I was far more worried about getting anti-English crap from Celtic fans than anti-Irish stuff from Rangers fans.

Can't say I'll be going back in a hurry.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
Wonder if the attitude would be different if it was n***ers blood or Jewish blood or Muslim blood

Eh? Everyone's agreeing it's bad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 10:32:10 PM
Wonder if the attitude would be different if it was n***ers blood or Jewish blood or Muslim blood

Eh? Everyone's agreeing it's bad.

Yeah, it's been called out and condemned. I just don't think somebody saying 'fenian bastard' is as emotive as somebody saying 'black bastard' or whatever.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 13, 2021, 11:10:48 PM
At the recent old firm game the Rangers fans were referencing that Celtic fans should go home because the famine was over.
This is vent occurred 170 years ago and pre dates the clubs.
And there was no away fans.
It’s a societal problem and until it’s taken seriously it will always be there.

Yep. As an English guy from an Irish background, I had a very strange experience in Glasgow. I visited Ibrox just to have a look and I was intimidated, followed, suffered sectarian abuse, spat at in the street. It was like they smelled the cabbage and white pudding in my genes.

I thought 'oh great, I got shit around Ibrox for having an Irish-looking head, I'll get shit around Parkhead for having an English accent' but everyone was really nice.


Mirrors almost exactly my experience, except I’m English with no other background and mine was in the pubs in Glasgow. I thought I’d be fine with Rangers fans and hated by Celtic, but it was wrong on both counts. It’s why the ignorant ‘bigot brothers’ jibes wind me up. It’s like saying the blacks and whites in the Deep South USA are all as bad as each other, especially when taking into account the history of Irish persecution in Scotland..
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2021, 11:24:10 PM
I reckon this thread is going to end up in an argument soon.

It's the law, any discussion touching on Rangers - Celtic always does.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: lovejoy on September 13, 2021, 11:29:22 PM
No it’s not, I tell you.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 11:37:00 PM
It's not about Celtic or Rangers, it's about sectarianism in Scotland
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 11:38:46 PM
Haha. I think any impartial person in full possession of the facts would conclude that Rangers are realistically the worse of the two.

But I have witnessed plenty of pro-IRA and anti-protestant nonsense from sections of Celtic supporters, and that shit is unacceptable as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JD on September 14, 2021, 01:24:20 AM
At the recent old firm game the Rangers fans were referencing that Celtic fans should go home because the famine was over.
This is vent occurred 170 years ago and pre dates the clubs.
And there was no away fans.
It’s a societal problem and until it’s taken seriously it will always be there.

Yep. As an English guy from an Irish background, I had a very strange experience in Glasgow. I visited Ibrox just to have a look and I was intimidated, followed, suffered sectarian abuse, spat at in the street. It was like they smelled the cabbage and white pudding in my genes.

I thought 'oh great, I got shit around Ibrox for having an Irish-looking head, I'll get shit around Parkhead for having an English accent' but everyone was really nice.


Mirrors almost exactly my experience, except I’m English with no other background and mine was in the pubs in Glasgow. I thought I’d be fine with Rangers fans and hated by Celtic, but it was wrong on both counts. It’s why the ignorant ‘bigot brothers’ jibes wind me up. It’s like saying the blacks and whites in the Deep South USA are all as bad as each other, especially when taking into account the history of Irish persecution in Scotland..

Good job you weren't using your alias Mr Pennell, otherwise you would have been strung up in the West End of Glasgow. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 14, 2021, 03:18:33 AM
At the recent old firm game the Rangers fans were referencing that Celtic fans should go home because the famine was over.
This is vent occurred 170 years ago and pre dates the clubs.
And there was no away fans.
It’s a societal problem and until it’s taken seriously it will always be there.

Yep. As an English guy from an Irish background, I had a very strange experience in Glasgow. I visited Ibrox just to have a look and I was intimidated, followed, suffered sectarian abuse, spat at in the street. It was like they smelled the cabbage and white pudding in my genes.

I thought 'oh great, I got shit around Ibrox for having an Irish-looking head, I'll get shit around Parkhead for having an English accent' but everyone was really nice.


Mirrors almost exactly my experience, except I’m English with no other background and mine was in the pubs in Glasgow. I thought I’d be fine with Rangers fans and hated by Celtic, but it was wrong on both counts. It’s why the ignorant ‘bigot brothers’ jibes wind me up. It’s like saying the blacks and whites in the Deep South USA are all as bad as each other, especially when taking into account the history of Irish persecution in Scotland..

Good job you weren't using your alias Mr Pennell, otherwise you would have been strung up in the West End of Glasgow.

I was using the first name but not the last, which was successfully added to ward off the appointment of the manager of the same name to the Villa job.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KRS on September 14, 2021, 03:55:19 AM
I think I need to go back to school and pay attention in history classes. I’ve never even heard of some of the words being mentioned over the last few pages let alone understand what any of them mean.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 07:24:39 AM
I think I need to go back to school and pay attention in history classes. I’ve never even heard of some of the words being mentioned over the last few pages let alone understand what any of them mean.

'Rangers' is a word that means obsolete.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Proposition Joe on September 14, 2021, 09:24:43 AM
Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?

I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.

You really have to be a dedicated prick to find out another team's players' religious denominations! I had no idea which he was, and nor do I care. Sigh. Such utter bullshit it all is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 14, 2021, 09:40:30 AM
I think I need to go back to school and pay attention in history classes. I’ve never even heard of some of the words being mentioned over the last few pages let alone understand what any of them mean.

To be fair, they're never really taught in school. Most people on here who know about them have probably experienced them at some point or other.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on September 14, 2021, 09:41:53 AM
Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?

I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.

You really have to be a dedicated prick to find out another team's players' religious denominations! I had no idea which he was, and nor do I care. Sigh. Such utter bullshit it all is.

Agreed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 14, 2021, 09:42:26 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 14, 2021, 09:43:20 AM
Was this the idiot in the corner who kept gobbing off and giving SJM the V's?  I noticed him when watching the game and wondered why, given everyone could see it on the telly and it makes Chelsea look stupid, they didn't haul him out there and then.

It doesn't look like it, the footage seems to be in the opposite corner and the first half.  The bloke we saw on the tv doing all the gesturing, screaming and abusing was in the opposite corner, and in the second half.  Whether the abuse was sectarian in nature I obviously wouldn't know, as any Villa player who happened to be deep in that corner appeared to be being targetted. At the time I was hoping the broadcasters might have panned the cameras right in on him, not least because he seemed to have free rein to run down several rows in order to do his abusing and gesturing etc.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 09:45:56 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.

As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on September 14, 2021, 09:46:50 AM
He's pure Hibie is SJM. Spoke to a few people who worked there (catering or what have you) and apparently he is the absolute best.

Anyway, credit to Chelsea fans for digging into the bigotry encyclopedia there, really leaving no stone unturned in their quest to be absolute twats.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 14, 2021, 09:53:47 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.

As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.

yeah its a sort of universal "well I don't believe in God really but its easier to say COE" Mind the big fellah was obviously protecting me that day..
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2021, 09:57:54 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.

As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.

I saw Stephen Fry describe Anglicanism as one of the great religions with the only drawback being the need to believe in God. I’d suggest half the vicars I’ve met down the years are pretty flaky on the believing in God part anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 10:00:00 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.

As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.

I saw Stephen Fry describe Anglicanism as one of the great religions with the only drawback being the need to believe in God. I’d suggest half the vicars I’ve met down the years are pretty flaky on the believing in God part anyway.

I know the Reverend Richard Coles a tiny bit, and that sums him up perfectly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2021, 10:01:02 AM
Ha, I was going to mention him in my post.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2021, 10:09:19 AM

I know the Reverend Richard Coles a tiny bit, and that sums him up perfectly.

He's the vicar in my sister's village. I see him on the train to London quite a bit, as he uses the same line I do to get to London. Had a chat with him once, and told him that I was a big fan of Bronski Beat and The Communards back in the day. He's a really lovely bloke.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: algy on September 14, 2021, 10:22:32 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.

As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
Ha, the thing I like about CofE/Church of Wales is that it's quite a broad church as it were.  I struggle with censuses etc because I see my religion as atheist/Church of Wales.  I don't believe in a magical sky fairy or such, but am quite happy with the concept of 'god' being a cover-all word for 'good' emotions (happiness, peace, love, ...).  Once you remove the "magic" elements from it all, CoE-type christianity becomes just about being nice to other people, finding happiness in oneself rather than external things (possessions, power, money, ..), seeking love over hate ... basically, it's a heavily rave-influenced version of moral philosophy.

--

Anecdotally, when I was living in Scotland, I found that there were a lot of really nice "Rangers" supporters, but it was absolutely undeniable that any encounters with dickhead football supporters were 90%+ certain to be with Rangers fans.  I do think the knobhead section of their support is a minority, and that by and large they're nice folk.  But my word, when you get a bad Rangers fan they really are something else.  Hibernian have a weird fanbase, I find -- they seem to go to real extremes, either safe-as-fuck great person or utter knobhead, with very little in between.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 14, 2021, 10:27:17 AM
Point of order: Church in Wales. If you're going to be a follower, you should at least get the name right. 🙂
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 10:31:01 AM

I know the Reverend Richard Coles a tiny bit, and that sums him up perfectly.

He's the vicar in my sister's village. I see him on the train to London quite a bit, as he uses the same line I do to get to London. Had a chat with him once, and told him that I was a big fan of Bronski Beat and The Communards back in the day. He's a really lovely bloke.

He's great.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2021, 10:32:53 AM

I know the Reverend Richard Coles a tiny bit, and that sums him up perfectly.

He's the vicar in my sister's village. I see him on the train to London quite a bit, as he uses the same line I do to get to London. Had a chat with him once, and told him that I was a big fan of Bronski Beat and The Communards back in the day. He's a really lovely bloke.

He's great.

Yep, one of the best follows on the Twatter platform.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Proposition Joe on September 14, 2021, 10:35:42 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.

As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.

I am Episcopalian (American anglican ... long story, I needed to get baptised get married and these guys were the most easy going) and it's probably even more watered down than the CofE. A true church for arheists :-)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 10:40:49 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.

As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
Ha, the thing I like about CofE/Church of Wales is that it's quite a broad church as it were.  I struggle with censuses etc because I see my religion as atheist/Church of Wales.  I don't believe in a magical sky fairy or such, but am quite happy with the concept of 'god' being a cover-all word for 'good' emotions (happiness, peace, love, ...).  Once you remove the "magic" elements from it all, CoE-type christianity becomes just about being nice to other people, finding happiness in oneself rather than external things (possessions, power, money, ..), seeking love over hate ... basically, it's a heavily rave-influenced version of moral philosophy.

--

Anecdotally, when I was living in Scotland, I found that there were a lot of really nice "Rangers" supporters, but it was absolutely undeniable that any encounters with dickhead football supporters were 90%+ certain to be with Rangers fans.  I do think the knobhead section of their support is a minority, and that by and large they're nice folk.  But my word, when you get a bad Rangers fan they really are something else.  Hibernian have a weird fanbase, I find -- they seem to go to real extremes, either safe-as-fuck great person or utter knobhead, with very little in between.

Hibs fans, as any reader of Irvine Welsh will know, are a funny lot. They had one of the most active and feared 'firms' back in the day, but it was mainly (in my experience. God knows there will have been plenty of psychopaths) daft lads playing at being hard men. I half-follow them because I went to school in Hibs territory, my dad played for their youth team and it gives me an insight into what it must be like to be a Blues fan, i.e. permanently shite

That's until they started being a bit better. And there's this, obviously.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2021, 10:43:49 AM
That's a bit mawkishly "You'll Never Walk Alone" for my tastes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 10:47:48 AM
After 114 years without winning the cup, I'll let them have their moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Small Rodent on September 14, 2021, 10:48:04 AM
To confuse things even more the Anglican church contains both CofE and Anglo-Catholiciism.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 14, 2021, 10:58:17 AM
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 14, 2021, 11:13:38 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.

As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
Ha, the thing I like about CofE/Church of Wales is that it's quite a broad church as it were.  I struggle with censuses etc because I see my religion as atheist/Church of Wales.  I don't believe in a magical sky fairy or such, but am quite happy with the concept of 'god' being a cover-all word for 'good' emotions (happiness, peace, love, ...).  Once you remove the "magic" elements from it all, CoE-type christianity becomes just about being nice to other people, finding happiness in oneself rather than external things (possessions, power, money, ..), seeking love over hate ... basically, it's a heavily rave-influenced version of moral philosophy.

--

Anecdotally, when I was living in Scotland, I found that there were a lot of really nice "Rangers" supporters, but it was absolutely undeniable that any encounters with dickhead football supporters were 90%+ certain to be with Rangers fans.  I do think the knobhead section of their support is a minority, and that by and large they're nice folk.  But my word, when you get a bad Rangers fan they really are something else.  Hibernian have a weird fanbase, I find -- they seem to go to real extremes, either safe-as-fuck great person or utter knobhead, with very little in between.

Hibs fans, as any reader of Irvine Welsh will know, are a funny lot. They had one of the most active and feared 'firms' back in the day, but it was mainly (in my experience. God knows there will have been plenty of psychopaths) daft lads playing at being hard men. I half-follow them because I went to school in Hibs territory, my dad played for their youth team and it gives me an insight into what it must be like to be a Blues fan, i.e. permanently shite

That's until they started being a bit better. And there's this, obviously.



Possibly the best football fans song ever
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2021, 11:39:54 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.

As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
Ha, the thing I like about CofE/Church of Wales is that it's quite a broad church as it were.  I struggle with censuses etc because I see my religion as atheist/Church of Wales.  I don't believe in a magical sky fairy or such, but am quite happy with the concept of 'god' being a cover-all word for 'good' emotions (happiness, peace, love, ...).  Once you remove the "magic" elements from it all, CoE-type christianity becomes just about being nice to other people, finding happiness in oneself rather than external things (possessions, power, money, ..), seeking love over hate ... basically, it's a heavily rave-influenced version of moral philosophy.

--

Anecdotally, when I was living in Scotland, I found that there were a lot of really nice "Rangers" supporters, but it was absolutely undeniable that any encounters with dickhead football supporters were 90%+ certain to be with Rangers fans.  I do think the knobhead section of their support is a minority, and that by and large they're nice folk.  But my word, when you get a bad Rangers fan they really are something else.  Hibernian have a weird fanbase, I find -- they seem to go to real extremes, either safe-as-fuck great person or utter knobhead, with very little in between.

Hibs fans, as any reader of Irvine Welsh will know, are a funny lot. They had one of the most active and feared 'firms' back in the day, but it was mainly (in my experience. God knows there will have been plenty of psychopaths) daft lads playing at being hard men. I half-follow them because I went to school in Hibs territory, my dad played for their youth team and it gives me an insight into what it must be like to be a Blues fan, i.e. permanently shite

That's until they started being a bit better. And there's this, obviously.



I'd developed a soft spot for them from reading Irvine Welsh from right back at the start, and I was in Croatia for my mates stag do on the day. I thought I was on the pub WiFi watching it on my phone but that turned out to be incorrect and it cost me the best part of £350.

It still remains the happiest I've been at a non-Villa victory, the context of the game and the way they did it with two late goals, and against them. Plus, it was a really good game and was the first time I'd seen Super John. Love that he gets a mention in The Blade Artist, think it was Renton that says "I like the look of McGinn in midield" when they're at the game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 12:17:19 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.

@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on September 14, 2021, 12:34:27 PM
I'd developed a soft spot for them from reading Irvine Welsh from right back at the start, and I was in Croatia for my mates stag do on the day. I thought I was on the pub WiFi watching it on my phone but that turned out to be incorrect and it cost me the best part of £350.

I had similar in Cape Verde watching about a minutes highlights of us beating Sheffield Weds 4;2 at Hillsborough in the Champ, hotel wifi must have dropped out round the pool and my work iPad was billed £530, which I thought was a bit heavy.

They waived it down to about £40 after a bit of complaint, God bless them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2021, 01:02:13 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.

@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.

My memory is shite, and you might be right. Think I read them both one after the other.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 14, 2021, 01:22:07 PM
I lived in the NCo’s mess on an army base for a few months, and would drink in the ( ridiculously cheap) Naafi bar as they were good to us.

The one night , the resident Scottish Sgt DJ ( I’ve overstate that but it was technically a DJ deck he’s go over to every 20 mins) put what I can only imagine is a Scottish sectarian song.

The fellow Scot RSM, a bloke around 6’5, and built like you’d  want our soldiers to be , walked over and gave a level of violence I’d never seen ( and I’ve run pubs in Walsall!!).

Came back to bar, sits back down next to me , and calm as you like said “ I’ve told him not to play that before “

That’s the day I realised Villa Blues just isn’t the same level of hate as the Religion angle massively escalates it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 14, 2021, 01:34:19 PM
My Grandad was a Hibee, my dad a Jam Tart. They lived less than a mile from Tynecastle so I ended up following Hearts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: algy on September 14, 2021, 02:07:22 PM
My Grandad was a Hibee, my dad a Jam Tart. They lived less than a mile from Tynecastle so I ended up following Hearts.
I lived in Edinburgh for a bit, and used to watch both. I like both - more Hibs supporting mates than Hearts ones, so I guess I've probably seen them slightly more of the two - but am 'neutral' as far as that's concerned.  My best mate's family are all Inverness Caledonian Thistle supporters (and Inverness Thistle prior to 1994), so as a kind of 'foreign exchange' they support the Villa when they're south of the border, and I support Thistle when I'm in the north.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2021, 08:05:58 PM
Having a 2nd club is weird.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2021, 08:22:02 PM
I feel disloyal following Villa Women.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 14, 2021, 08:23:53 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.

@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.

There's a bit of that clip where a Hibs supporter is in tears singing. That's me, and you, and every one of us when it finally happens.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 08:49:32 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.

@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.

There's a bit of that clip where a Hibs supporter is in tears singing. That's me, and you, and every one of us when it finally happens.

The one with the green tartan scarf around four minutes in? I thought exactly that myself. The sheer disbelief/realisation is amazing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on September 14, 2021, 09:04:08 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.

@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.

There's a bit of that clip where a Hibs supporter is in tears singing. That's me, and you, and every one of us when it finally happens.

The one with the green tartan scarf around four minutes in? I thought exactly that myself. The sheer disbelief/realisation is amazing.

Exactly. I thought it was a great moment, and the only problem I have with that song is I always seem to listen to it when I'm chopping onions.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 09:06:29 PM
I just watched it again (I watch it a lot for someone who couldn't tell you what their next fixture is), and had the thought that it must've been amazing to have been there (that's not the first time I've thought that) but then when you see the players, imagine what that felt like: you surpass everything that you've achieved in your career so far, so the professional pride is as good as it's likely to get for most. Then they see what it really means after a 114-year wait.

Nice to see wee, overwhelmed John McGinn too, whose best days are still to come.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 09:07:01 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.

@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.

There's a bit of that clip where a Hibs supporter is in tears singing. That's me, and you, and every one of us when it finally happens.

The one with the green tartan scarf around four minutes in? I thought exactly that myself. The sheer disbelief/realisation is amazing.

Exactly. I thought it was a great moment, and the only problem I have with that song is I always seem to listen to it when I'm chopping onions.

And me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on September 14, 2021, 09:20:13 PM
It was the year after my first six-year stint in Edinburgh, and though I didn't really take a side in the city rivalry (anyone except the OF is fine by me) this moment absolutely got me. The song was a bit of a personal anthem for me up there too, as it is for so many of course, but there was one of those specific and fortuitous resonances in the lyrics that just absolutely wrung me, and I was on my own in a pub in Oxford, moderately sloshed, having a quiet lacrimose moment to myself.  Great day.

Of course if that's how I get when Hibs win the trophy and sing a nice song, should Villa win the cup this season I think Venice might have to put out a flood warning.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 14, 2021, 09:27:10 PM
I cried singing Abide with me at the 2000 Cup Final.
It was such an emotional moment especially as I was totally convinced we would win.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 09:33:27 PM
It was the year after my first six-year stint in Edinburgh, and though I didn't really take a side in the city rivalry (anyone except the OF is fine by me) this moment absolutely got me. The song was a bit of a personal anthem for me up there too, as it is for so many of course, but there was one of those specific and fortuitous resonances in the lyrics that just absolutely wrung me, and I was on my own in a pub in Oxford, moderately sloshed, having a quiet lacrimose moment to myself.  Great day.

Of course if that's how I get when Hibs win the trophy and sing a nice song, should Villa win the cup this season I think Venice might have to put out a flood warning.


Every time I see it I look out for old school friends, many of whom would definitely have been there. Obviously I wouldn't recognise a single one of them now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on September 14, 2021, 09:34:38 PM
Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?

I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.

You really have to be a dedicated prick to find out another team's players' religious denominations! I had no idea which he was, and nor do I care. Sigh. Such utter bullshit it all is.
SJM’s uncle or Grandad used to run Celtic in the 80’s / 90’s. I think he was called Jock or Jack McGinn. Scottish version of Ellis from what I remember being told by Celtic supporters. Jack McGinn and his biscuit tin (where the money was allegedly kept)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2021, 12:58:32 PM
Having a 2nd club is weird.

I support Aston Villa. That's it.

However, I still follow other teams results, like Hearts because of my dad. Like Watford as that's where I was born and have family there. Like Harrogate Town as they were my non-league team and I lived a couple of hundred yards from their ground.

We all have teams other than our own that we'd like to see particular results for, whether that be wins or defeats, surely?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 15, 2021, 01:13:30 PM
Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?

I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.

You really have to be a dedicated prick to find out another team's players' religious denominations! I had no idea which he was, and nor do I care. Sigh. Such utter bullshit it all is.
SJM’s uncle or Grandad used to run Celtic in the 80’s / 90’s. I think he was called Jock or Jack McGinn. Scottish version of Ellis from what I remember being told by Celtic supporters. Jack McGinn and his biscuit tin (where the money was allegedly kept)
Does that mean it was John's granddad who signed the cheque for Tony Cascarino?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 15, 2021, 01:59:14 PM
I cried singing Abide with me at the 2000 Cup Final.
It was such an emotional moment especially as I was totally convinced we would win.


And so did I - i stood with my old man and hoped it would be full circle as i grew up with him reminding me every year about being at the win in 57 and what it was like to have won the 7th FA cup.

Later that year he died and it was played at his funeral

When i stood there for the final against Arsenal and it played i completely lost it.

This club has to win the fucking thing before i face the oven
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2021, 02:26:59 PM
I cried singing Abide with me at the 2000 Cup Final.
It was such an emotional moment especially as I was totally convinced we would win.


This club has to win the fucking thing before i face the oven

You'll starve to death!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 15, 2021, 02:31:17 PM
I cried singing Abide with me at the 2000 Cup Final.
It was such an emotional moment especially as I was totally convinced we would win.


This club has to win the fucking thing before i face the oven

You'll starve to death!

It was just something I'd always wanted to happen.
At Wembley Stadium with my Dad singing that with my heroes ready to carve their names in Villas iconic and illustrious history.
It was all too much.
Then we kicked off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 15, 2021, 02:45:45 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.

@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.

There's a bit of that clip where a Hibs supporter is in tears singing. That's me, and you, and every one of us when it finally happens.

The one with the green tartan scarf around four minutes in? I thought exactly that myself. The sheer disbelief/realisation is amazing.

Exactly. I thought it was a great moment, and the only problem I have with that song is I always seem to listen to it when I'm chopping onions.

And me.

Bloody onions !!!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 15, 2021, 03:00:55 PM
I'm a bit of a sentimental old sod and back in time when the Villa winning the first division was just a pipe dream, I always thought that if I saw it happen I would burst into tears. Well, we did, and I didn't.

Fast forward twelve months and on the bus travelling through Belgium enroute to Rotterdam I felt the same when thinking about winning the bloody European Cup.  Well, once again we did and I didn't. 

What I did do, when Peter Withe's glorious shin guided the ball into the back of the net was to raise my eyes skyward and point my flag in the same direction and roar at the top of my voice: DAAAAD! I did it again at the final whistle. 

He'd died four years earlier and it was because of him I was on this incredible journey following the greatest football club in the world.  The Villa have had me on the verge of tears many, many times since but you know what?  Having been lucky enough to see what I have seen, I wouldn't have it any other way.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 15, 2021, 04:38:28 PM
I'm a bit of a sentimental old sod and back in time when the Villa winning the first division was just a pipe dream, I always thought that if I saw it happen I would burst into tears. Well, we did, and I didn't.

Fast forward twelve months and on the bus travelling through Belgium enroute to Rotterdam I felt the same when thinking about winning the bloody European Cup.  Well, once again we did and I didn't. 

What I did do, when Peter Withe's glorious shin guided the ball into the back of the net was to raise my eyes skyward and point my flag in the same direction and roar at the top of my voice: DAAAAD! I did it again at the final whistle. 

He'd died four years earlier and it was because of him I was on this incredible journey following the greatest football club in the world.  The Villa have had me on the verge of tears many, many times since but you know what?  Having been lucky enough to see what I have seen, I wouldn't have it any other way.
Brilliant post.
And now there's something in my eye.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2021, 05:06:16 PM
Seconded.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dicedlam on September 15, 2021, 05:10:21 PM
I'm a bit of a sentimental old sod and back in time when the Villa winning the first division was just a pipe dream, I always thought that if I saw it happen I would burst into tears. Well, we did, and I didn't.

Fast forward twelve months and on the bus travelling through Belgium enroute to Rotterdam I felt the same when thinking about winning the bloody European Cup.  Well, once again we did and I didn't. 

What I did do, when Peter Withe's glorious shin guided the ball into the back of the net was to raise my eyes skyward and point my flag in the same direction and roar at the top of my voice: DAAAAD! I did it again at the final whistle. 

He'd died four years earlier and it was because of him I was on this incredible journey following the greatest football club in the world.  The Villa have had me on the verge of tears many, many times since but you know what?  Having been lucky enough to see what I have seen, I wouldn't have it any other way.
Brilliant post.
And now there's something in my eye.

Wonderful post dave.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 15, 2021, 07:36:49 PM
I'm a bit of a sentimental old sod and back in time when the Villa winning the first division was just a pipe dream, I always thought that if I saw it happen I would burst into tears. Well, we did, and I didn't.

Fast forward twelve months and on the bus travelling through Belgium enroute to Rotterdam I felt the same when thinking about winning the bloody European Cup.  Well, once again we did and I didn't. 

What I did do, when Peter Withe's glorious shin guided the ball into the back of the net was to raise my eyes skyward and point my flag in the same direction and roar at the top of my voice: DAAAAD! I did it again at the final whistle. 

He'd died four years earlier and it was because of him I was on this incredible journey following the greatest football club in the world.  The Villa have had me on the verge of tears many, many times since but you know what?  Having been lucky enough to see what I have seen, I wouldn't have it any other way.
Lovely Dave.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 15, 2021, 08:01:12 PM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.

As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.

yeah its a sort of universal "well I don't believe in God really but its easier to say COE" Mind the big fellah was obviously protecting me that day..

Gave the same answer when similarly questioned by a Rangers fan on ‘that day in the Holte, 1976’. Mainly because although I knew I was CofE from reading the sign on my school gate, I didn’t actually know if that made me a Catholic or a Protestant.

This episode was documented by Richard Whitehead in COTR.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DB on September 15, 2021, 08:03:01 PM
I cried singing Abide with me at the 2000 Cup Final.
It was such an emotional moment especially as I was totally convinced we would win.


And so did I - i stood with my old man and hoped it would be full circle as i grew up with him reminding me every year about being at the win in 57 and what it was like to have won the 7th FA cup.

Later that year he died and it was played at his funeral

When i stood there for the final against Arsenal and it played i completely lost it.

This club has to win the fucking thing before i face the oven

Same here. My old man always wanted to see us win the F.A. Cup. Now I am older than him when he died and want us to win it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 20, 2021, 08:38:29 PM
Hope he suffers no adverse effects from his concussion. But disappointing to hear Dean say the initial decision to keep him on the pitch was guided by McGinn. We shouldn’t have players assessing whether they’re ok to continue from a concussion perspective.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2021, 09:03:16 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2021, 11:07:05 AM
It's tricky though, it was a fairly innocuous looking bump wasn't it? He seemed perfectly fine and then did the responsible thing when he didn't feel right.
Smith also mentioned that the first bump didn't cause the concussion, but there was another challenge that did it. Perhaps it was the repeat knock that caused it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 21, 2021, 05:30:01 PM
Yep potentially, but I’d still say it shouldn’t be down to the player to decide. If the first knock is innocuous then it should be fairly simple for the medical team to assess and make that call. It’s about the process rather than this specific decision.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 21, 2021, 05:31:15 PM
Definitely for the medical staff to decide based on what the player tells them and what they see.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on September 24, 2021, 08:19:44 PM
Looks to be training going off of the preparation photos on the OS..

Is he in line to play tomorrow?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 24, 2021, 09:16:01 PM
Read article that said protocol for that injury was 6 days rest so fits in with timeline of him returning to training today and raring to go.

Can't see anything but midfield being Doug-Ramsey-SJM. It generally worked well v Chelsea and they have better options in central midfield (o.k perhaps not Saul) than McTominay and Fred so will be a good battle there I think.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 24, 2021, 09:21:35 PM
Mcginn thinks he's available for tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1441395158918987779?s=19
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on September 24, 2021, 09:29:21 PM
Mcginn thinks he's available for tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1441395158918987779?s=19

LET'S GOOO.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on September 24, 2021, 09:45:10 PM
Weeeeee've got McGinn! We'll need him to help run those spawny ****** off the park tomorrow.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 25, 2021, 04:25:22 PM
Thought SJM was outstanding today and the best midfielder on the pitch. Some of the lung bursting runs he was making in last 20 minutes were ridiculous to get us up the pitch.

I assume with the protocol he hasn't trained much this week so perhaps there's something in that, rest him early part of the training week and then he's raring to go for the weekend as many times he starts to flag on 70 minutes from all the work he puts in, little sign of that today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2021, 04:36:16 PM
Would have been clean through on goal if he hadn't been pulled back and then have the ref completely ignore it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Keeno on September 25, 2021, 07:41:14 PM
One of the best performances of his I can remember today. He absolutely ran the middle of the park. The understanding developing between him, Dougie and Ramsey is so promising to see.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 25, 2021, 07:46:26 PM
Excellent today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on September 25, 2021, 07:54:29 PM
Would have been clean through on goal if he hadn't been pulled back and then have the ref completely ignore it.

That fucked me off so much, it wasnt given purely because we fairly tackled them a few seconds before and they all appealed vigorously, an absolutely awful decision by Mike Dean.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 25, 2021, 08:18:51 PM
Would have been clean through on goal if he hadn't been pulled back and then have the ref completely ignore it.

That fucked me off so much, it wasnt given purely because we fairly tackled them a few seconds before and they all appealed vigorously, an absolutely awful decision by Mike Dean.

Shocking decision, from a shocking referee. SJM was at his awesome best today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on September 25, 2021, 08:20:56 PM
McGinn seemed to lose his rag a bit after that. Understandable I suppose, but he looked in danger of getting himself sent off at one point.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
I usually have a seemingly weekly rant about McGinns latest great match but let himself down with a yellow card..

However this time (and I think something I noticed upon particularly in championship , sometimes Prem) Ginny was so aggrieved not to have had a blatant foul maybe even red card vs Maguire that in his frustration he did do quite a fantastic trip on Bruno and was cautioned.

We're only human and Mike Dean had also earlier already penalised a perfectly great tackle/ interception by McGinn when we won ball high up the pitch and would be away for an attack on goal and yet Dean deems foul against.

Basically sometimes the culminating fouling against McGinn sees him become an aggressor and does his own back as such leading to yellow cards. Yes his combative style, nature and sometimes reckless ways contribute but the officials haven't helped him out many a time with degree of fairness.

He then also gets a reputation. He can't win. Most yellow cards by any player in Prem league last season
Has 2 yellow already.

Yesterday it was outrageous  the lazy and cynical foul by Maguire not penalised by McGinn excellent heading ball past him and Maguire blocks of illegally by fouling SJM he would be through and away to goal.

For next minutes as Mike Dean dismisses it Ginny is saying foul that's a foul and it was.
It could even be red yet its left him frustrated by poor officiating
Unbelievable
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
In short vs Man Utd  brilliant!
We all enjoyed a great performance by McGinn yesterday despite a booking his energy , enthusiasm,  passing , drive and running were a delight.

And yes a good old boot to Bruno too for the yellow is one I'll allow!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 26, 2021, 01:28:44 PM
SJM was absolutely awesome yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 27, 2021, 10:22:36 AM
MOTM yesterday
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 27, 2021, 10:29:46 AM
In short vs Man Utd  brilliant!
We all enjoyed a great performance by McGinn yesterday despite a booking his energy , enthusiasm,  passing , drive and running were a delight.

And yes a good old boot to Bruno too for the yellow is one I'll allow!

Made me laugh this morning.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 27, 2021, 10:30:22 AM
He was immense.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sonyhill on September 27, 2021, 05:19:06 PM
Class on Saturday.  Good to see him back to his best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on September 27, 2021, 06:43:59 PM
Class on Saturday.  Good to see him back to his best.

There was a bit in the first half where Greenwood broke from the centre-circle and McGinn chased him down, but Greenwood ran across him, basically preventing him making a tackle (or face being booked), but rather than back off, meatball ran around the wrong side of him to make an excellent block from the 'wrong' side.  It was a brilliant piece of defensive work, against a very quick forward, but also the sort of thing you only see from him when he's 100% fit and 'on it'.  It bodes well for the coming weeks!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 27, 2021, 06:50:45 PM
I think he is our main man right now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 27, 2021, 06:59:02 PM
He is the proverbial heart beat of the team when he’s on form. I maintain to this day, that in that 10 game promotion run, despite the greasy one getting all the plaudits, McGinn was just as influential. I agree that is the main man at the moment, amongst a shitload of main men. Being part of a three defo suits him, box to box
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 27, 2021, 08:36:15 PM
Class on Saturday.  Good to see him back to his best.

There was a bit in the first half where Greenwood broke from the centre-circle and McGinn chased him down, but Greenwood ran across him, basically preventing him making a tackle (or face being booked), but rather than back off, meatball ran around the wrong side of him to make an excellent block from the 'wrong' side.  It was a brilliant piece of defensive work, against a very quick forward, but also the sort of thing you only see from him when he's 100% fit and 'on it'.  It bodes well for the coming weeks!

It was, and I screaming at him to hack him down as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on September 28, 2021, 05:46:34 PM
He's on QoS on Friday BBC1 7.30
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 29, 2021, 08:27:04 AM
He's on QoS on Friday BBC1 7.30

He's got a face more suited for radio.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pelty on September 29, 2021, 02:40:22 PM
Class on Saturday.  Good to see him back to his best.

There was a bit in the first half where Greenwood broke from the centre-circle and McGinn chased him down, but Greenwood ran across him, basically preventing him making a tackle (or face being booked), but rather than back off, meatball ran around the wrong side of him to make an excellent block from the 'wrong' side.  It was a brilliant piece of defensive work, against a very quick forward, but also the sort of thing you only see from him when he's 100% fit and 'on it'.  It bodes well for the coming weeks!

Agreed, this was a wonderful play. He managed not to give a foul away and then blocked the ball. I am glad you brought this play up!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on September 29, 2021, 02:55:33 PM
It was shown in the extended highlights link from FV in the Match Highlights thread. It was tremendous play and I expect because it wasn't "in the box" it seems to have been missed as brilliant defensive work.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 29, 2021, 03:01:37 PM
I think he is our main man right now.

I thought something similar, he's certainly taken on a more senior role since Joe left. Whilst he may only be sub-Captain, he along with Mings, Konsa and Ollie lead by example. The other thing is I honestly believe he really gets the club, the values and expectations that come with it. He may like a joke or two at BH but he's no fool. These players are setting the standards new players have to meet. There's no place for lazy arse, prima donnas or sulkers if you're not in the first XI.

Dean Smith has brought this fantastic collective culture to the club but he couldn't maintain it without the likes of SJM. I thought Bailey might come in a bit Billy Big Bollocks but like every new signing to date, he seems to have bought in to who and what we are trying to achieve. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 29, 2021, 03:28:12 PM
Bravearse always gives his all.  When he's below par it's because he's carrying a knock or recovering to get back to his best.  When he's at his best, like on Saturday there's nobody I'd rather have in the side in his position.  He's another leader on the field too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: hipkiss92 on September 29, 2021, 04:37:01 PM
On Question of Sport on Friday
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 29, 2021, 08:06:16 PM
Bravearse always gives his all.  When he's below par it's because he's carrying a knock or recovering to get back to his best.  When he's at his best, like on Saturday there's nobody I'd rather have in the side in his position.  He's another leader on the field too.

He's unique, I can't think of another player quite like him, and I love him all the more for it. He gets knocked for his passing at times but he's brave, he doesn't look for the easy ball each time, and that ball to Cash on Saturday was as good as you will see.

I too wouldn't take anyone over him, hope he's with us till he hangs up his boots.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 29, 2021, 08:15:44 PM
He reminds me a bit of Milner.   Not directly in how they play, but how their ‘force of will” means the whole way exceeds the sum of the parts. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on September 29, 2021, 08:19:59 PM
Bravearse always gives his all.  When he's below par it's because he's carrying a knock or recovering to get back to his best.  When he's at his best, like on Saturday there's nobody I'd rather have in the side in his position.  He's another leader on the field too.

He's unique, I can't think of another player quite like him, and I love him all the more for it. He gets knocked for his passing at times but he's brave, he doesn't look for the easy ball each time, and that ball to Cash on Saturday was as good as you will see.

I too wouldn't take anyone over him, hope he's with us till he hangs up his boots.

Definitely with you, he’s a fantastic player and the biggest engine we’ve had since Milner left.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 29, 2021, 08:20:10 PM
He reminds me a bit of Milner.   Not directly in how they play, but how their ‘force of will” means the whole way exceeds the sum of their parts. 

I was thinking similar, but thought of a kind of Roy Keane minus the malice.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on September 29, 2021, 08:20:41 PM
Just said the same Dante, although you beat me to it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 29, 2021, 08:26:56 PM
Bravearse.


Love it.
As someone else mentioned.....he's our beating heart atm.
Long may it stay that way!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: algy on September 30, 2021, 08:41:31 AM
Bravearse.


Love it.
As someone else mentioned.....he's our beating heart atm.
Long may it stay that way!
Bravearse is an elite tier nickname.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SaddVillan on October 01, 2021, 06:38:51 PM
Meatball

McGinniesta

Bravearse

They get better every time.


Hope

"John McGinn, FA Cup winning goalscorer " isn't too far off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 01, 2021, 08:42:01 PM
On Question of Sport on Friday

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00104cn/question-of-sport-series-51-episode-5
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 09, 2021, 05:46:44 PM
Why isn't McGinn taking the pens for Scotland?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 09, 2021, 05:47:52 PM
Why isn't McGinn taking the pens for Scotland?

Because Barry is.
Oh, no wrong thread / wrong era / wrong nationality.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 09, 2021, 05:48:43 PM
Well Ginny scored already and I remember was taking penalties for Scotland before
Interesting match going on and think Scotland have been OK despite tarilinf at half time
McGinn quality strike as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2021, 06:03:11 PM
McGinn has only taken one penalty, in a shoot-out, AFAIK.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave on October 09, 2021, 10:18:11 PM
Eleven Scotland goals now. Considering nine more would put him into the top five ever and fourteen would put him top three, he should really be aiming to end his career as one of Scotland's all-time greats.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2021, 10:22:26 PM
The supporters love him as much as Villa fans do, too. His name always gets sang loudest and longest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 09, 2021, 10:37:01 PM
Gave an articulate interview afterwards as well.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/58859358
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on October 09, 2021, 10:37:30 PM
The supporters love him as much as Villa fans do, too. His name always gets sang loudest and longest.

Because he's brilliant, and has the most influential arse in world football.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: nigel on October 09, 2021, 11:30:04 PM
We’ve got McGinn
WHO
Super John mcGinn
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2021, 11:31:37 PM
I like the "WHO" addition to the song.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 09, 2021, 11:38:24 PM
The supporters love him as much as Villa fans do, too. His name always gets sang loudest and longest.

Because he's brilliant, and has the most influential arse in world football.


Bravearse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on October 09, 2021, 11:46:51 PM
The supporters love him as much as Villa fans do, too. His name always gets sang loudest and longest.

Because he's brilliant, and has the most influential arse in world football.


Bravearse.

I do think that is a superb and appropriate nickname. I don't recall an arse as significant since Barry, but he didn't use his quite as effectively, so 'custard pants' worked for him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 10, 2021, 01:12:56 AM
Vs Israel picked up a yellow and how I saw it was needless and reckless.
It's those careless ones needs to cut out if his game
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 10, 2021, 01:54:01 AM
Vs Israel picked up a yellow and how I saw it was needless and reckless.
It's those careless ones needs to cut out if his game
Any positives Footy?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 10, 2021, 02:11:18 PM
Yes he's worth heck of lot more than we paid for him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2021, 08:17:43 PM
He scored a brilliant goal but you come on and just mention his yellow card? You have some odd obsessions with Villa players at times.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 11, 2021, 12:20:49 AM
He scored a brilliant goal but you come on and just mention his yellow card? You have some odd obsessions with Villa players at times.
Wrong

 I initially and perhaps was first to bring up the point of McGinn not taking penalty for Scotland
Then I also mention the goal he scored vs Israel and said how good it was.

I then made a post about his ill discipline.

His cards lead to suspension so that reckless needless challenges he makes comes back to bite him on his backside.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: stevo_st on October 11, 2021, 07:47:54 AM
What was he booked for?

He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement in
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 11, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement in
Quite. I can't be arsed about his scoring for Scotland but would love to see him scoring more for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2021, 09:55:57 AM
He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement in
Quite. I can't be arsed about his scoring for Scotland but would love to see him scoring more for us.

Unfortunately we don't play many games against teams of the quality of San Marino and the Faroes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2021, 10:07:29 AM
He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement in
Quite. I can't be arsed about his scoring for Scotland but would love to see him scoring more for us.

Unfortunately we don't play many games against teams of the quality of San Marino and the Faroes.

That's where Albion used to come in handy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2021, 10:11:22 AM
I'd like to see all of our players score more goals for us. However, I don't think it's necessarily something upon which we should be measuring McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2021, 10:55:34 AM
I'd like to see all of our players score more goals for us. However, I don't think it's necessarily something upon which we should be measuring McGinn.

We could do with more goals from the midfielders. None of them score enough.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 11, 2021, 11:08:29 AM
Possibly because we have tended to use our midfielders as defensive midfield to cover for the attacking intent of the likes of El Ghazi, Traore and The Scab That Can't Be Named. If you count wingers as midfielders then our goals from midfield will probably stand up reasonably well against most teams.

I did think we would have got more Luiz goals by now, though, after he scored a couple of screamers within his first half a dozen or so games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2021, 11:09:52 AM
I'd like to see all of our players score more goals for us. However, I don't think it's necessarily something upon which we should be measuring McGinn.

We could do with more goals from the midfielders. None of them score enough.

I agree, though I don't think it's necessarily what they as individuals should be measured on? It's on Smith and the coaches and system (unless they are missing a lots of chances).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 11, 2021, 11:24:29 AM
What was he booked for?

He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement in

Clattered a player. Middle of the park.
Because he does that sometimes.

And agree has the ability to score goals.
In the Championship he was outstanding for a goal threat . All seemingly though only scored 5 or 6 in our promotion

I remember in first ever prem game he took his goal vs Spurs superbly and thought he would be getting 10 goals as he took to the Prem very well initially before getting injured.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 11, 2021, 08:23:07 PM
He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement in
Quite. I can't be arsed about his scoring for Scotland but would love to see him scoring more for us.

Unfortunately we don't play many games against teams of the quality of San Marino and the Faroes.

That's where Albion used to come in handy.

Genuine lol, excellent stuff paulie.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on October 17, 2021, 03:54:14 PM
A random thought popped into my head  earlier while strolling round Edinburgh and in no way is it a criticism of him, but has he ever scored for us and been on the winning side in the same game since we were promoted? Off the top of my head I can only think of his goals coming in defeats too Wolves, Watford, Palace, Spurs and a draw with Burnley. Im sure theres probably obvious ones Ive missed.

Even his thunderbolt against Sheff Wed came in a defeat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ez on October 17, 2021, 03:56:58 PM
Did he get one in the 7-2 against Liverpool? Just checked, yes he did.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 17, 2021, 04:14:18 PM
He was immense yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on October 17, 2021, 04:35:08 PM
Did he get one in the 7-2 against Liverpool? Just checked, yes he did.

Aaaaaagh yes, don't know how I forgot that one!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 17, 2021, 04:37:10 PM
He was immense yesterday.

best player by a country mile
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 17, 2021, 05:01:22 PM
It’s a shame that his two superb goals this have been overshadowed by terrible defeats.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on October 18, 2021, 07:51:34 AM
The one real positive from Saturday, I thought he looked absolutely back to his best, our MOTM by a country mile.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on October 18, 2021, 09:45:58 AM
He was absolutely superb on Saturday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on October 18, 2021, 11:56:58 AM
I think the commentator Saturday said that 6 of his last 7 goals we've been on the losing side. As he had just put us 2-0 up, I stupidly thought 'well that won't be the case today then'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: spartacuss on October 18, 2021, 01:09:18 PM
He was absolutely superb on Saturday.
The worry for me is if we don't shape up over the next couple of months, he'll be a January target for other clubs (Manure?).  We're particularly vulnerable on the 'loyalty' issue because of Joe's Villa 'credentials' not stopping him take the narrow road to the deep north.  So our better players know it would be humbug on the club's part to play the Villa heritage/potential card.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 22, 2021, 09:57:01 PM
Gone from very good last week to detritus this week. Not the first time this has happened.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2021, 11:09:02 PM
He can't do it all by himself though. It's not a 3-5-2 when our wing backs are pinned in our own half the entire match.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frank black on October 22, 2021, 11:12:40 PM
One of his worst performances for us. But then he wasn’t alone
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt C on October 22, 2021, 11:14:14 PM
Being forced into doing everything in the middle and as a result doing nothing much. Needs some help.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 22, 2021, 11:16:29 PM
I still don't rate either McGinn or Luiz as top 10 centre mids.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 22, 2021, 11:17:11 PM
Blaming McGinn for today's debacle is way off. Dennis Mortimer or Gordon Cowans at their prime would have struggled in that set up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2021, 11:17:53 PM
Blaming McGinn for today's debacle is way off. Dennis Mortimer or Gordon Cowans at their prime would have struggled in that set up.

Smith would have had them playing centre-half.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on October 22, 2021, 11:35:15 PM
Blaming McGinn for today's debacle is way off. Dennis Mortimer or Gordon Cowans at their prime would have struggled in that set up.

Smith would have had them playing centre-half.

He has been brilliant for us, but I would tell him to stay out of our penalty box. He can't defend and often gets in the way. In fact, stay out of the defensive third.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 22, 2021, 11:47:54 PM
Like most of the team tonight he just looked like he'd been given instructions for a completely different game to the one we played. I put all of the poor performances tonight down to tactics more than individuals. You don't get dismantled to the degree we did in the first half because a few players are having an off day.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2021, 11:49:30 PM
When he gives a sloppy pass way, he doesn't half do it in dangerous positions though. He's a bit like Mings in that his errors often lead directly to goals.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on October 22, 2021, 11:56:24 PM
His passing is shite, playing in a midfield two you can't try and play a killer pass every time you get the ball but McGinn sure tried it tonight. Thought he was possibly our worst player, definitely his worst performance that I've seen for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 23, 2021, 04:33:04 AM
Gone from very good last week to detritus this week. Not the first time this has happened.

But even last week, when in many ways he had a great game, he was dispossessed three times just outside our own penalty area. It happens a lot and his poor passing happens a lot too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on October 23, 2021, 06:52:10 AM
Wasnt great but imone of the few players suffering from smiths lame tactics and lamer formation
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on October 23, 2021, 10:26:15 AM
His duck was abysmal too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2021, 12:28:19 PM
Gone from very good last week to detritus this week. Not the first time this has happened.

But even last week, when in many ways he had a great game, he was dispossessed three times just outside our own penalty area. It happens a lot and his poor passing happens a lot too.

That's just what his game is really. If you want a midfielder with 95% pass completion then he simply isn't it but can influence games in many other ways as he showed v Man. United when he was brilliant.

Terrible pass for their third though, he does need to play it simple far more sometimes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2021, 07:22:24 AM
Another yellow card!
Bit not sure why he was booked vs West Ham as he was pushed over
That's 4 for the season and likely to be suspended soon

Couple of his cards have actually been unfair the other 2 stupid ones
I don't think he should be carded yesterday
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: nigel on November 01, 2021, 07:59:54 AM
Didn’t play too well yesterday, but it certainly didn’t help when Ramsey was replaced with Young. It changed the midfield set up as it wasn’t like for like.
I think if Carney had come on it would have been a better fit
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on November 20, 2021, 08:07:27 PM
Wee John was immense today. Really drove us on and his play at times was showboaty 😎

I am a big fan of him and he is arguably our best player with Emi also. A smart and tidy little footballer with an aggressive bite, like a skilful Yorkshire Terrier who just won't stop yapping.

Super John McGinn 😎
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on November 20, 2021, 09:01:48 PM
He played well. But...

He gives it away in such dangerous spaces and areas! Brighton's sole phase of attacking intent came from him giving it away cheaply. He needs to cut that out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brian green on November 20, 2021, 09:20:51 PM
By his standards I thought his play was careless at times today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on November 20, 2021, 09:27:57 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see SJM really come on well under Gerrard but he needs someone behind him as he can't defend for shit and remains part of a midfield that allows far too much space and time for the opposition.  Hopefully this is addressed either with quality coaching or better signings.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on November 21, 2021, 01:38:17 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see SJM really come on well under Gerrard but he needs someone behind him as he can't defend for shit and remains part of a midfield that allows far too much space and time for the opposition.  Hopefully this is addressed either with quality coaching or better signings.

I agree.

He is one of those all-action players with a phenomenal engine and wants to be involved in everything, but S.G. needs to tell him to concentrate on his strengths.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 21, 2021, 09:12:15 AM
By his standards I thought his play was careless at times today.

I actually think this is his achilles heel and a problem on display virtually every game. There is such a good player in there if he could just stop giving the ball away so easily at times.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on November 21, 2021, 10:22:33 AM
By his standards I thought his play was careless at times today.

I actually think this is his achilles heel and a problem on display virtually every game. There is such a good player in there if he could just stop giving the ball away so easily at times.
He also tries to play a lot of adventurous passes, some of which obviously won’t work out. I don’t want him to stop trying them either, as he plays some gems. I think part of the issue is we have tended to play him too deep, so there’s a lot more risk if the pass is misplaced. Play him further forward and it becomes less of an issue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 21, 2021, 11:47:41 AM
It's less misplaced passes that concern me but how often he is caught on the ball, often within spitting distance of our penalty area which makes it very difficult to recover from.

The solution you propose I agree with. I think he'll do even better further up the pitch for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on November 21, 2021, 12:00:54 PM
Agree with you about being caught on the ball. But again, I also love that about his style of play - drawing contact/attention, using that plentiful arse (and occasionally some outrageous moves) to get out of trouble etc. Won’t always come off, and when it doesn’t, I want it to be further up the pitch
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2021, 02:14:22 PM
He was great yesterday, I think his role in the team will become more dominant.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on November 27, 2021, 05:02:15 PM
Class again. Wee John is in the form of his life right now.

Keep going Ginny  8)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2021, 05:18:49 PM
Nice to see that statistic gone too. The one about the number of times where he's scored and we've gone on to lose.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: supertom on November 27, 2021, 06:49:21 PM
McGinn has certain Gerrard-esque qualities about his play. Certainly his bullishness, running and an eye for goal. He's certainly got the right manager to bring his game up a level. Could be a very big season for SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on November 27, 2021, 07:03:26 PM
Wee John has flair in his game that goes unnoticed imo. He does something showboaty in most games. It makes me sit up and say, 'ooh'  8)

Today he caught the ball on his chest, flicked it over the defender while turning and won a foul.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on November 27, 2021, 07:04:30 PM
If he keeps this form going he will be the next player we need to keep hold of.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on November 27, 2021, 07:06:22 PM
Hopefully we are in a stronger position than we were when Joe went and we can just tell bidding clubs to do one. Doubt there'd be a release clause in John's contract but who knows.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 27, 2021, 07:21:24 PM
If he keeps this form going he will be the next player we need to keep hold of.

"We had McGinn, Super Joe McGinn....."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 28, 2021, 11:44:44 AM
I see he has matched his total of goals of last season already after 12 games  . A player of SJM quality should be getting on towards ten goals in a season and I think with SG playing him where he should he could hit ten this season.   26 games to go John boy .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on November 28, 2021, 01:23:03 PM
Amazing what happens when you play somebody in their best position eh? He is not, never was, and won't ever be a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on November 28, 2021, 03:13:56 PM
Meatball is in great form, I hope he keeps it up and doesn't just keep his place cos he's a good lad with a big bum as previously.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on November 28, 2021, 03:29:04 PM
Amazing what happens when you play somebody in their best position eh? He is not, never was, and won't ever be a defensive midfielder.

Agreed
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 28, 2021, 04:43:05 PM
McGinn has certain Gerrard-esque qualities about his play. Certainly his bullishness, running and an eye for goal. He's certainly got the right manager to bring his game up a level. Could be a very big season for SJM.

I think this is perfect manager for this stage of his career. Strange how DS knew how to use him for pretty much the first year of his tenure and then tried to change him into more deeper lying midfielder.

Of course he can do a job there with his energy but he's better popping up on edge of the box and getting shots away so all for him being most advanced midfielder if the system allows it.

I said when he was appointed Gerrard would've heard all about how good he was from Rangers players called up by Scotland and he said exactly that yesterday.

I wonder with Gerrard's vague-ish comments on Mings keeping the captains armband whether he's thinking of giving it to McGinn perhaps for next season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 28, 2021, 05:39:51 PM
Amazing what happens when you play somebody in their best position eh? He is not, never was, and won't ever be a defensive midfielder.

Agreed
Yep
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 28, 2021, 06:03:10 PM
Amazing what happens when you play somebody in their best position eh? He is not, never was, and won't ever be a defensive midfielder.

Listen...

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on November 28, 2021, 10:05:35 PM
By the way, what is his googly-eyed goal celebration all about ? He'd make a good Robin in a cape as he charges over to the Villa fans to celebrate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 28, 2021, 10:16:20 PM
By the way, what is his googly-eyed goal celebration all about ? He'd make a good Robin in a cape as he charges over to the Villa fans to celebrate.


Biggles ??
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 28, 2021, 10:35:57 PM
By the way, what is his googly-eyed goal celebration all about ? He'd make a good Robin in a cape as he charges over to the Villa fans to celebrate.

On another club's forum his running style was described as being to similar to someone exiting a helicopter which made me smile.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on December 05, 2021, 08:21:46 AM
Most papers this morning saying ragnick wants mcginn and will pay 50m.

Up it by another 30m then we will consider it. 50m is a derisory offer. If pogba is worth 100m+ then mcginns 80m+
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 05, 2021, 08:25:05 AM
I very much doubt McGinn has a release clause in his contract so I'd be telling Man Utd to foxtrot oscar.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on December 05, 2021, 09:59:11 AM
Most papers this morning saying ragnick wants mcginn and will pay 50m.

Up it by another 30m then we will consider it. 50m is a derisory offer. If pogba is worth 100m+ then mcginns 80m+

McGinn is better than Pogba. 100% serious. I wouldn't take Pogba for free.

And could see this coming, this is partly why I couldn't understand why many were so willing to accept the Joe transfer and the idea of our players leaving in general. We'll never get anywhere if it continues.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on December 05, 2021, 10:04:08 AM
Most papers this morning saying ragnick wants mcginn and will pay 50m.

Up it by another 30m then we will consider it. 50m is a derisory offer. If pogba is worth 100m+ then mcginns 80m+
That's the headline but when you read the articles it's not him but apparently Ferguson  however SAF has not met Rangnick yet and has no idea what he wants.
But it's obvious speculation based on who is the best player in the division not in the top 3 teams and it's John without a doubt.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 10:09:28 AM
Most papers this morning saying ragnick wants mcginn and will pay 50m.

Up it by another 30m then we will consider it. 50m is a derisory offer. If pogba is worth 100m+ then mcginns 80m+

McGinn is better than Pogba. 100% serious. I wouldn't take Pogba for free.

And could see this coming, this is partly why I couldn't understand why many were so willing to accept the Joe transfer and the idea of our players leaving in general. We'll never get anywhere if it continues.



Yup.  Said a while back that he'll be the next one of our players to come under this scrutiny, especially if he keeps this form up. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villan82 on December 05, 2021, 10:37:40 AM
Why do we bother? I am sick of this. I thought the new owners meant the end of this?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on December 05, 2021, 10:44:03 AM
Why do we bother? I am sick of this. I thought the new owners meant the end of this?

Sick of what? Speculation?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 05, 2021, 10:46:50 AM
Manure can piss off, and I hope our overlords tell them in no uncertain terms, pronto! 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 10:50:19 AM
I thought he was younger than 27.  I would imagine he'd be more than willing to go to Man Utd if they are indeed about to try and sign him.  Grealish leaving puts the sword though any player being 'loyal' if they get a pay rise / the chance to win stuff.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 05, 2021, 10:53:08 AM
Why do we bother? I am sick of this. I thought the new owners meant the end of this?
it's just the football food chain - we don't get sick of it when we're taking Watkins and Konsa off Brentford, Buendia off Norwich and Cash off Forest etc
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 11:01:02 AM
It is, but wee got to break that chain sooner or later or we won't progress.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on December 05, 2021, 11:02:28 AM
Why do we bother? I am sick of this. I thought the new owners meant the end of this?
it's just the football food chain - we don't get sick of it when we're taking Watkins and Konsa off Brentford, Buendia off Norwich and Cash off Forest etc
Absolutely. While Football continues to be structured the way it is ( and there is no way capitalism is going to let it be anything else) it will always be so. Which is why I take Purslow and Co’s marketing bs about European ambitions etc. with a hefty dose of salt. The reality is we will almost certainly be a mid / upper table club at best, because we will always be a selling club. The only possible exceptions to this football food chain are Spuds and Wet Spam, because they have the huge advantage of being in London.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on December 05, 2021, 11:03:27 AM
Mid-table at best? Why?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 05, 2021, 11:11:33 AM
It is, but wee got to break that chain sooner or later or we won't progress.

Why won't we?

Man United lost Ronaldo years ago when he was their best player.  Liverpool lost Countinho when he was their best player.  It's fair to say they've both had a reasonable amount of success.

What's important isn't whether we sell our best players - all clubs do - it's whether we sell on our terms and reinvest the money wisely.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 05, 2021, 11:39:40 AM
Big teams do sell they're good players from time to time and like Adam says it's how they move on from this.

Alongside this they flex their financial muscles at the right times. Our owners are about twice as rich as Man United's. I'd like to see us starting to bully other clubs both on the pitch and in the transfer market more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Stu on December 05, 2021, 11:56:21 AM
If the interest is genuine then I expect he'll want to go, and fair enough, but I'd be very surprised if we let him go mid-season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Stu on December 05, 2021, 12:08:20 PM
Just checked, McGinn's contracted with us until 2025. I don't think we would accept £50m, especially after Gerrard's recent comments about him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 12:09:51 PM
It is, but wee got to break that chain sooner or later or we won't progress.

Why won't we?

Man United lost Ronaldo years ago when he was their best player.  Liverpool lost Countinho when he was their best player.  It's fair to say they've both had a reasonable amount of success.

What's important isn't whether we sell our best players - all clubs do - it's whether we sell on our terms and reinvest the money wisely.

I agree it possible to sell a star player now and again.  Losing them every transfer window isn’t what you’re talking about though. 

I’d have to say that selling our best midfielder to Man Utd wouldn’t signal any flexing of muscles. 

Anyway, it’s a stupid rumour in the sun.  So fuck it. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on December 05, 2021, 12:10:39 PM
He's going nowhere, unless it's silly money.  This is just what happens when players have a run of good form, paper speculation.

I have no concerns about him going anywhere, I'm far more excited to see how Gerrard develops his game this season.  I suspect the SJM that finishes the season will look even more valuable than the one on the pitch right now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on December 05, 2021, 12:19:21 PM
Sounds a daft story to me. They can't even fit Fernandes and Pogba in the same team so they want another midfielder who's better going forward? If they wanted Nakamba that would make sense  8)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 12:19:32 PM
He's going nowhere, unless it's silly money.  This is just what happens when players have a run of good form, paper speculation.

I have no concerns about him going anywhere, I'm far more excited to see how Gerrard develops his game this season.  I suspect the SJM that finishes the season will look even more valuable than the one on the pitch right now.

Indeed. SJM is going to have a great season for us I think, and by the end of it Man Ure can get in the queue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KevinGage on December 05, 2021, 12:31:13 PM
I seen one of those Scottish players who never made it down South (Kris Boyd?) on Sky Sports News yesterday saying McGinn would be just what Yanited need.

If I seen that, I'm sure some of the spotty Herberts who knock out online articles ripped from TV and podcasts did too. More fool their editors who decided to fill up space in the papers with it.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on December 05, 2021, 12:53:54 PM
Remember not saying i want or that it will happen, but if we sold mcginn for lets say 70m thats a profit of 65m add that to the grealish 100m we are secure for ffp for many many years
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on December 05, 2021, 12:55:24 PM
Mid-table at best? Why?
I probably should have said mid to upper mid, Ads. My point is that the system is self limiting. If we get a good enough collection of players to threaten to ‘break through’ into the very top group of clubs one of them will inevitably come knocking as they did with Grealish , and for all the talk of replacing top players with players of similar quality, we and other clubs hardly ever do e.g. Barry, Young mk1, Milner, Benteke, etc. Although they have bought or developed good players, I would argue that Leicester also haven’t replaced the likes of Kante, Maguire, Mahrez and Chilwell with the same level of quality.
Obviously we all (me included) like to dream that we may be the exception that proves the rule, but the harsh reality is that ‘it is what it is’ and we probably are what we are. Still a great club, but not one of the plastic Sky three or however many it is.
Sorry to be such a killjoy or Buzz Killington for any Family Guy aficionados out there  :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 01:36:45 PM
Remember not saying i want or that it will happen, but if we sold mcginn for lets say 70m thats a profit of 65m add that to the grealish 100m we are secure for ffp for many many years

He'll be worth more than 70 mill come the Summer hopefully.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 01:39:04 PM
Mid-table at best? Why?
I probably should have said mid to upper mid, Ads. My point is that the system is self limiting. If we get a good enough collection of players to threaten to ‘break through’ into the very top group of clubs one of them will inevitably come knocking as they did with Grealish , and for all the talk of replacing top players with players of similar quality, we and other clubs hardly ever do e.g. Barry, Young mk1, Milner, Benteke, etc. Although they have bought or developed good players, I would argue that Leicester also haven’t replaced the likes of Kante, Maguire, Mahrez and Chilwell with the same level of quality.
Obviously we all (me included) like to dream that we may be the exception that proves the rule, but the harsh reality is that ‘it is what it is’ and we probably are what we are. Still a great club, but not one of the plastic Sky three or however many it is.
Sorry to be such a killjoy or Buzz Killington for any Family Guy aficionados out there  :)

However we do have ambitions to break that mold and I'm sure that's the vision the owners have sold Gerrard. Also remember, that "Sky Plastic 3" are by no means set in stone. Just ask Arsenal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 05, 2021, 01:53:17 PM
I have to admit to not understanding financial (un)fair play at all.

But we're loaded, just like Man City and Chelsea and richer in owners net worth (but obviously not turnover) than Man U, who've been able to spunk as much money as they like over the years. Why can't we?

And if we're now apparently not allowed to blow the budget, why can't we just hire better lawyers than the league?

This might seem a bit entitled, but we are genuinely loaded. We have a great set up from youth through to first team. A really big fan base and a rich history. We should be blowing nearly every other club in the league out of the water.

I realise I'm being blinkered, but I want us to properly properly go for it. We should be shopping in Waitrose not Tesco.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on December 05, 2021, 01:56:28 PM
Mid-table at best? Why?
I probably should have said mid to upper mid, Ads. My point is that the system is self limiting. If we get a good enough collection of players to threaten to ‘break through’ into the very top group of clubs one of them will inevitably come knocking as they did with Grealish , and for all the talk of replacing top players with players of similar quality, we and other clubs hardly ever do e.g. Barry, Young mk1, Milner, Benteke, etc. Although they have bought or developed good players, I would argue that Leicester also haven’t replaced the likes of Kante, Maguire, Mahrez and Chilwell with the same level of quality.
Obviously we all (me included) like to dream that we may be the exception that proves the rule, but the harsh reality is that ‘it is what it is’ and we probably are what we are. Still a great club, but not one of the plastic Sky three or however many it is.
Sorry to be such a killjoy or Buzz Killington for any Family Guy aficionados out there  :)

However we do have ambitions to break that mold and I'm sure that's the vision the owners have sold Gerrard. Also remember, that "Sky Plastic 3" are by no means set in stone. Just ask Arsenal.
The owners and the management are the only ones that can change that narrative.  We will lose players the challenge is making sure we reinvest well - and ahead of time - for all the talk of planning for joe’s leaving the money we spent isn’t looking great at the moment.

As some said above all clubs lose players - The big difference with Liverpool etc is they have other players of similar quality.  We simply don’t - we have three very good players - SJM, Emi1 and Watkins - they have all been linked with moves to bigger clubs in Jan or next summer.  We shouldn’t lose any of those - and if we lose more than 1 then I think we’ll never get back into Europe.  Losing Joe set us back at least a year. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 05, 2021, 02:21:54 PM
Kris Boyd, Scotland answer to Danny Murphy
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 02:25:00 PM
I have to admit to not understanding financial (un)fair play at all.

But we're loaded, just like Man City and Chelsea and richer in owners net worth (but obviously not turnover) than Man U, who've been able to spunk as much money as they like over the years. Why can't we?

And if we're now apparently not allowed to blow the budget, why can't we just hire better lawyers than the league?

This might seem a bit entitled, but we are genuinely loaded. We have a great set up from youth through to first team. A really big fan base and a rich history. We should be blowing nearly every other club in the league out of the water.

I realise I'm being blinkered, but I want us to properly properly go for it. We should be shopping in Waitrose not Tesco.



You are not alone.  The question should be, 'can John McGinn hold down a place in the Villa midfield?'.  Not 'can Villa keep hold of John McGinn?'.  I don't think that is entitled at all, it's just a hope that we will progress from perennial also-rans to proper challengers. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 05, 2021, 02:49:53 PM
FFP was introduced specifically to stop clubs like Villa getting minted owners and just buying success.

If we're going to comply, success takes time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on December 05, 2021, 02:52:29 PM
I wouldn't want him to go but every player has his price.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 05, 2021, 02:56:51 PM
FFP was introduced specifically to stop clubs like Villa getting minted owners and just buying success.

If we're going to comply, success takes time.

Is it currently suspended? If it is, then isn't this a good time to go hard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 05, 2021, 03:29:37 PM
FFP was introduced specifically to stop clubs like Villa getting minted owners and just buying success.

If we're going to comply, success takes time.

Is it currently suspended? If it is, then isn't this a good time to go hard.

Afraid not. There is a slight easing of the rules to allow for the effects of covid, but it doesn't allow us to go crazy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on December 05, 2021, 03:33:36 PM
FFP was introduced specifically to stop clubs like Villa getting minted owners and just buying success.

If we're going to comply, success takes time.

Is it currently suspended? If it is, then isn't this a good time to go hard.

Afraid not. There is a slight easing of the rules to allow for the effects of covid, but it doesn't allow us to go crazy.
How do we know what we are / aren’t allowed?  How is it worked out?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 05, 2021, 03:35:30 PM
If they want him he will go. If we got £70m I'd consider that a fair deal.

Spurs sold a lot of good players on their rise to the 'top six'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on December 05, 2021, 03:42:33 PM
£65-70m is about his market value. Scores a few goals more it goes up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 05, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Can't see SJM wanting to go to a half arsed club like Man Utd.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 05, 2021, 07:54:08 PM
SJM’s dribble today was pure McGinn fifth.  Just bouncing off players and running straight into them.  I’m not convinced it was a foul too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 05, 2021, 08:43:26 PM
He was fucking awesome today, absolutely unplayable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 05, 2021, 08:54:39 PM
SJM’s dribble today was pure McGinn fifth.  Just bouncing off players and running straight into them.  I’m not convinced it was a foul too.


Not a chance , the guy dived ,  he could have gone all the way
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: supertom on December 05, 2021, 09:12:07 PM
He's going nowhere. He plays every week. He's gonna revel playing under Gerrard. I'm not sure he's got the dazzling lights of Champions League in his eyes just yet. On current form, it'd take a huge offer. What I will say about McGinn, he's not unlike Delph. He could perhaps move up, but is he excelling here because he can play every week and he drives the team? He's got more to give here and should enjoy learning from Gerrard and McCallister, as well as being central to the team here, rather than a squad option. He doesn't strike me as a fancy Dan either. Joe likes the glitz and in fairness that probably attracted our Ash away back in the day too. He also needs a solid season of maintaining 7-8/10 every game. He had some dips in his first two seasons up (injuries here and there not helping of course).

He also needs to be upping his goal and assist tally to levels where someone will pay what it takes to prise him away. Which isn't yet. Assuming there's no clause, any off we can give the short shrift.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on December 05, 2021, 09:48:33 PM
If they want him he will go. If we got £70m I'd consider that a fair deal.

Spurs sold a lot of good players on their rise to the 'top six'.

They didn't.

They sold Berbatov for £30m and Robbie Keane for £16m in the summer window of 2008 but then got Keane back in January. They finished 8th that season and 4th the next.

By the time they sold Bale, Modric and Walker, they were already established in the top six.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on December 05, 2021, 10:00:01 PM
I seen one of those Scottish players who never made it down South (Kris Boyd?) on Sky Sports News yesterday saying McGinn would be just what Yanited need.

If I seen that, I'm sure some of the spotty Herberts who knock out online articles ripped from TV and podcasts did too. More fool their editors who decided to fill up space in the papers with it.

There was a story in the Birmingham Mail a couple of seasons back with a title along the lines of Manchester United being interested in McGinn.  When you actually read the article though, it was comments from a scout who knew Alex Ferguson and said that he thought he might rate him and recommend that they sign him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on December 05, 2021, 10:54:24 PM
I thought he was everywhere today and they couldn't cope with McGinn's power.  Cracking performance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 11:04:00 PM
He's going nowhere. He plays every week. He's gonna revel playing under Gerrard. I'm not sure he's got the dazzling lights of Champions League in his eyes just yet. On current form, it'd take a huge offer. What I will say about McGinn, he's not unlike Delph. He could perhaps move up, but is he excelling here because he can play every week and he drives the team? He's got more to give here and should enjoy learning from Gerrard and McCallister, as well as being central to the team here, rather than a squad option. He doesn't strike me as a fancy Dan either. Joe likes the glitz and in fairness that probably attracted our Ash away back in the day too. He also needs a solid season of maintaining 7-8/10 every game. He had some dips in his first two seasons up (injuries here and there not helping of course).

He also needs to be upping his goal and assist tally to levels where someone will pay what it takes to prise him away. Which isn't yet. Assuming there's no clause, any off we can give the short shrift.

Remember when Chelsea wanted to sign Gerrard from Liverpool then someone had a word in his ear and he didn't go.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TonyD on December 05, 2021, 11:31:03 PM
He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 11:33:27 PM
He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.

No we will not. £60 mill is practically giving him away on this form.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TonyD on December 05, 2021, 11:48:03 PM
He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.

No we will not. £60 mill is practically giving him away on this form.
Well. We will see in Jan or the summer. 
I bloody hope we turn offers down.
It will be a test to what the owners have in their plans.
Jack was different. They had to let him go.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 06, 2021, 02:02:28 AM
If they want him he will go. If we got £70m I'd consider that a fair deal.

Spurs sold a lot of good players on their rise to the 'top six'.

They didn't.

They sold Berbatov for £30m and Robbie Keane for £16m in the summer window of 2008 but then got Keane back in January. They finished 8th that season and 4th the next.

By the time they sold Bale, Modric and Walker, they were already established in the top six.

Berbatov and Keane were pretty good players! Also, Carrick?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 07:48:12 AM
I was at the game with two Leicester-supporting mates yesterday, and they both raved about him, saying he was the best player on the pitch by a mile. Which he was.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on December 06, 2021, 08:03:40 AM
Outstanding yesterday, we've definitely got Super John McGinn back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 06, 2021, 08:36:10 AM
He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.

No we will not. £60 mill is practically giving him away on this form.
agreed.
We really need to be keeping Him if we have any ambition.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2021, 09:06:43 AM
Fcukin' awesome yesterday!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 09:37:46 AM
I will never, ever understand why Smith was so determined to stick SJM in the defensive two in front of the defence. One of the things that led to him not being our boss any more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 06, 2021, 10:36:33 AM
MOM again yesterday for me. He drives the team forward. Very Gerrard like in that respect.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on December 06, 2021, 10:42:02 AM
He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.

If we flogged another key player this January/summer, I think we'd all be wondering if we were entering Lerner MkII territory especially when he's contracted to 2025.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 06, 2021, 10:44:07 AM
There is a tick tok video (no idea) doing the rounds of him during that sequence where he just carried on - there is comedy music in the background. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on December 06, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
If they want him he will go. If we got £70m I'd consider that a fair deal.

Spurs sold a lot of good players on their rise to the 'top six'.

They didn't.

They sold Berbatov for £30m and Robbie Keane for £16m in the summer window of 2008 but then got Keane back in January. They finished 8th that season and 4th the next.

By the time they sold Bale, Modric and Walker, they were already established in the top six.

Berbatov and Keane were pretty good players! Also, Carrick?

They were but they got Keane back six months later and made a profit.

I was using the beginning of the Redknapp era (2008/9) as the start point because under Ramos they were in crisis and going to get relegated, Redknapp was the one who really turned it round for them and started their ascent so I didn't include Carrick as he was sold before that.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on December 15, 2021, 02:01:43 PM
Another superb display absolutely love the bloke and also he's cut those sloppy passes out of his game. Appeared to pick up a knock at the end hopefully ok for Saturday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on December 15, 2021, 02:14:22 PM
He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.

No we will not. £60 mill is practically giving him away on this form.

£60m is a joke in today's crazy market. Jadon Sancho at £70m+? He's utter garbage....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2021, 02:49:15 PM
I don't think he has the technical chops to be at a title-contender (not that Yanited are currently but that will be their aim sooner or later).

It's noticeable that when Buendia, Luiz and Ramsey receive the ball to feet, they are very comfortable on the half-turn and can smoothly move forward.

With Meatball, he's always thinking about how to use his body (arse) to shield any challenges, meaning he receives the ball less fluidly and turns more awkwardly with it. I love him but for me that is one of the few but noticeable things lacking in his profile. At times in the past he has been breathing through his arse on the hour-mark. That might be lack of conditioning, his natural body limitations or the fact that he plays with intensity off the ball as well as on - partly cos of his top attitude but also partly to compensate for his technical limitations.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2021, 03:38:36 PM
Congrats to our Meatball. Named Scotland’s mens footballer of the year

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1474031183986151428?s=21
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on December 23, 2021, 03:45:38 PM
Deserved.

Well done Wee John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on December 23, 2021, 04:54:32 PM
Well done SJM deserved
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 25, 2021, 07:26:23 PM
Rumour he's got the covid
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2021, 06:24:04 PM
He should have not gone to watch his brother play in the cup final. We missed him on Saturday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 29, 2021, 07:16:28 PM
He should have not gone to watch his brother play in the cup final. We missed him on Saturday.
was that against any rules? I can't keep up at the moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on January 03, 2022, 12:30:03 PM
Obviously big blow losing SJM for the Man United league game, but does anybody know why he was booked? If Sky showed it I missed it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on January 03, 2022, 12:30:42 PM
Dissent.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on January 03, 2022, 12:36:57 PM
Thanks Ads
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2022, 12:43:55 PM
Why does he not miss the next game?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 03, 2022, 12:48:37 PM
Why does he not miss the next game?

Is it because we are not halfway through and the amnesty has kicked in?  Does he miss the Man Yew league game instead of the cup game?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2022, 12:55:15 PM
Why does he not miss the next game?

Is it because we are not halfway through and the amnesty has kicked in?  Does he miss the Man Yew league game instead of the cup game?

Yes. He can play in the Cup game on Monday but not the league game. I thought it was the next game they miss.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 03, 2022, 12:56:11 PM
Bookings are competition specific!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 03, 2022, 12:57:29 PM
Bookings are competition specific!

So, if he gets a straight red at United in the cup, will he not miss three league matches? 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 02:03:13 PM
He is increasingly reliant on the Barry Bannan-patented "Hollywood Pass" to mask his lack of pace and ability to get away from a player. Looks feeble when his radar is off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 03, 2022, 02:39:38 PM
Bookings are competition specific!

So, if he gets a straight red at United in the cup, will he not miss three league matches? 
Don't think so. May be a three year ban! (Going out at first attempt every year).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 03, 2022, 07:33:56 PM
Just been pointed out that only yellows are competition specific!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 10, 2022, 10:39:16 PM
Irks me to say it but on current form he won’t be missed on Saturday. Doesn’t appear his normal self at present.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2022, 10:40:10 PM
Yep. He was bobbins.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2022, 10:40:18 PM
At some points today he was great, driving us forwards and being the heartbeat of the team. At others he was piss poor, giving the ball away to launch Man U attacks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 10, 2022, 10:43:30 PM
he seemed to be playing on the right side a lot tonight which didn’t really suit him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 10, 2022, 10:50:17 PM
he seemed to be playing on the right side a lot tonight which didn’t really suit him

He has been playing there for quite a while. Its something we have been doing for years, even Hourihane used often play RCM. I guess around the opposition box it gives them more scope for getting a shot off but I prefer if our setup was more orthodox with McGinn as LCM, taking the ball in midfield on his stronger foot. His right foot is basically for standing on and the big arse trick is struggling to hide this technical limitation when facing his own goal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villafirst on January 11, 2022, 04:03:17 PM
The key is Nakamba's injury. McGinn was excellent with Nakamba in the DM role behind him, as was Douglas Luiz. The formation now is unbalanced. Also, McGinn had Covid, has that impacted his performance levels and possibly others?? It screwed our season last January.....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 11, 2022, 04:10:00 PM
Re. The right hand side... It's probably because he can see the weakness down our right with a misfiring Matty Cash. He's forced over there to cover Cash's arse all the time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 11, 2022, 04:13:29 PM
He plays on the right because that's the position he's been asked to play.  And where has all this Cash hate come from?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 11, 2022, 04:16:08 PM
He plays on the right because that's the position he's been asked to play.  And where has all this Cash hate come from?

Must be his turn ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2022, 04:16:59 PM
He plays on the right because that's the position he's been asked to play.  And where has all this Cash hate come from?

I know, wtf! Cash is ace.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2022, 04:51:38 PM
Re. The right hand side... It's probably because he can see the weakness down our right with a misfiring Matty Cash. He's forced over there to cover Cash's arse all the time.

Or it's because it's the position and job he's being asked to do.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 11, 2022, 04:58:56 PM
Or maybe he's not on top form. It happens. He's lost his place for Saturday, it's up to his replacement to keep him out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 14, 2022, 08:57:41 PM
I don't know if this role McGinn plays on the left of a midfield 3 is ideal sometimes because he has to check to come inside for the passes and shots as he's so left footed.
I think he'll improve with Gerrard though always have a discipline problem and I think he needs to sometimes play central or on the left

The trouble is the system allows for width from the full backs so Cash has to make sure he advances otherwise it's all too narrow. Or we always have Watkins as he moves all around the pitch.

But on McGinn I like to see him more central rather than right sided.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2022, 02:02:19 PM
Anyway, he's being linked with ManUre again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john2710 on January 17, 2022, 02:06:41 PM
He's got 3 years + left on his contract. He goes nowhere unless it suits us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 17, 2022, 02:14:33 PM
£40m great deal.  Said no one ever.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Monty on January 17, 2022, 02:17:16 PM
Love him to bits, but given the choice I would probably rather keep Coutinho and Ramsey. Not that it has to be a choice, of course.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on January 17, 2022, 02:45:37 PM
He'd be a better signing for Liverpool imo.

Not going anywhere though hopefully and certainly not for £40m.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on January 17, 2022, 02:56:23 PM
I would hope our ownership group doesn't even pick up the phone at 40m.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Didier Five on January 17, 2022, 03:45:47 PM
Anyway, he's being linked with ManUre again.

Seen he's been linked with a summer move, probably bullshit as Manure don't even know who their manager will be yet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdward on January 17, 2022, 03:56:29 PM
The way that Gerrard has been talking about McGinn, he is not going anywhere.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: dicedlam on January 17, 2022, 04:00:18 PM
Anyway, he's being linked with ManUre again.

Seen he's been linked with a summer move, probably bullshit as Manure don't even know who their manager will be yet.

Apparently, old whiskey face rates him very highly and as we know he is still very influential at Manure.

If we were to consider a transfer then it would have to be silly money. If they paid 50+ million for Wan-Bissaka, then meatball has got to be in the 60 + million bracket.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on January 17, 2022, 04:26:07 PM
We might pick up the phone at £65m any less and the pricks can fuck off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2022, 04:35:11 PM
We might pick up the phone at £65m any less and the pricks can fuck off.

Obviously it has to be a football decision but it would be a big help on the FFP front given he only cost £2.25m.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on January 17, 2022, 04:36:57 PM
Anyway, he's being linked with ManUre again.

Seen he's been linked with a summer move, probably bullshit as Manure don't even know who their manager will be yet.

Apparently, old whiskey face rates him very highly and as we know he is still very influential at Manure.

If we were to consider a transfer then it would have to be silly money. If they paid 50+ million for Wan-Bissaka, then meatball has got to be in the 60 + million bracket.

They paid £80 million for Maguire - at that rate, I'd expect nothing less that £60+billion.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Gerrin on January 17, 2022, 05:22:25 PM
We might pick up the phone at £65m any less and the pricks can fuck off.

Obviously it has to be a football decision but it would be a big help on the FFP front given he only cost £2.25m.

Much as I like the guy, he's been a great servant to the club, but it might actually make sense to let him go for the right price in the Summer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Moonraker on January 17, 2022, 05:29:21 PM
He was in St Pauls House in the Jewellery Quarter on Saturday night with Cafu (Scottish variety). He's not going to leave the fleshpots of the JQ anytime soon...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2022, 07:09:20 PM
Man Yoo? Blimey...I think his next step will definitely be downward but to them lot would be well-harsh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2022, 09:50:17 PM
We might pick up the phone at £65m any less and the pricks can fuck off.

Obviously it has to be a football decision but it would be a big help on the FFP front given he only cost £2.25m.

Much as I like the guy, he's been a great servant to the club, but it might actually make sense to let him go for the right price in the Summer.

Why?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on January 17, 2022, 09:54:17 PM
We might pick up the phone at £65m any less and the pricks can fuck off.

Obviously it has to be a football decision but it would be a big help on the FFP front given he only cost £2.25m.

Much as I like the guy, he's been a great servant to the club, but it might actually make sense to let him go for the right price in the Summer.

Why?

To be fair, I don't think he'll go in the summer and I don't want him to go in the summer, but every player has his price.  Invested properly, if we sell every player for their peak value, as I believe we did with Grealish, we'll be a better team for it in the long run.

If Newton Heath are desperate and offer silly money (I'm talking Harry Maguire-style silly money) then I think we'd be better off letting him go.  Plenty on the Sanson thread are already saying they'd prefer Sanson in the team ahead of SJM and you'd get a lot of Sansons for £80m!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 10:01:45 PM
If Gerrard actually thinks he can make him an even better player, then tell them to sod off.  Man United always overpay and I see no reason to suggest they wouldn't do the same for SJM. If, and it is a big IF, we don't think he can get any better.  60 mill please.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 17, 2022, 10:02:03 PM
The first sign that maybe just maybe we are on the verge of creating a team to compete at the top end of the league, we have people start auctioning our first team players off.
Bizarre.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 10:05:28 PM
The first sign that maybe just maybe we are on the verge of creating a team to compete at the top end of the league, we have people start auctioning our first team players off.
Bizarre.

It's ok, he hasn't actually been sold. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 17, 2022, 10:10:56 PM
The first sign that maybe just maybe we are on the verge of creating a team to compete at the top end of the league, we have people start auctioning our first team players off.
Bizarre.

It's ok, he hasn't actually been sold.
Thank fuck that the Football manager types are not in charge of transfer policy in the real world.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 10:16:28 PM
The first sign that maybe just maybe we are on the verge of creating a team to compete at the top end of the league, we have people start auctioning our first team players off.
Bizarre.

It's ok, he hasn't actually been sold.
Thank fuck that the Football manager types are not in charge of transfer policy in the real world.

Or that people aren't allowed an opinion on a football message board without other people getting bent out of shape!  Who said SJM is good enough to get us there? This is what people are debating. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
I'd sell him for £60m. There are better players out there for that sort of money.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 10:40:55 PM
I have always liked John McGinn but he has been really really inconsistent this season. I agree with you Risso, 60 mil is a lot of money for someone that inconsistent.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on January 17, 2022, 10:43:30 PM
Yeah, no
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2022, 05:13:09 AM
SJM like a few others have been guilty of giving the ball away to easily.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on January 18, 2022, 06:12:36 AM
I wouldn't sell him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 18, 2022, 06:32:45 AM
I don't think I'd sell.
The new  manager has just come into the building and who knows where he'll take the player development wise.
It's different if he wants to leave but I'm excited as to what will happen.
Not for sale unless the player asks to leave for me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mellin on January 18, 2022, 06:42:19 AM
Jog on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: sid1964 on January 18, 2022, 06:53:47 AM
As footballers have all the power when it comes to transfers, if McGinn wants to leave in the summer he will be sold

If he did move to Manchester he will be near to his old mate Jack.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on January 18, 2022, 07:01:26 AM
I'd bit your hand off for 60 mill. I like SJM but I think if we got a id like that I'd be cashing in, I often think his work rate and his song often blinds some fans to his actual return performance-wise. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on January 18, 2022, 07:18:00 AM
I know it’s all about options but fecking hell, MCGinn is one of the best players at the club and vitally important to our progress.
I’m amazed people would be happy to sell.
If his value is somewhere between £45m and £60m then that means we have one hell of a player on our books.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on January 18, 2022, 07:28:18 AM
I’d keep him, he’s bloody brilliant and on top of that he’s just an ace. Must be right great character to have around.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 18, 2022, 07:31:36 AM
Why anyone would consider getting rid of McGinn is beyond me. This is exactly the kind of player we need in our squad and we badly missed him on Saturday. Hopefully our squad is getting to the point when we can rotate and players like McGinn can sometimes sit games out like anyone else, but I hope he's here for years to come.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 07:45:14 AM
I wouldn't choose to sell him. He's very good, but not great. He doesn't score enough goals and his passing can be terrible at times, so for £60m you'd almost certainly be able to get a better replacement.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 07:56:33 AM
I wouldn't choose to sell him. He's very good, but not great. He doesn't score enough goals and his passing can be terrible at times, so for £60m you'd almost certainly be able to get a better replacement.

Like who though?

He's brilliant, and unique.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 07:57:44 AM
I'd bit your hand off for 60 mill. I like SJM but I think if we got a id like that I'd be cashing in, I often think his work rate and his song often blinds some fans to his actual return performance-wise.

Clearly such a high opinion of your fellow fans if you think we want to keep a player because of his song.

He's everywhere and exactly what we needed on Saturday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cannock villa on January 18, 2022, 08:13:31 AM
Bloody hell there's some on here turning into Man City Billy Big Bollocks fans if they are even contemplating the sale of Super John.
The one player with us as a mid table championship club who could still be a big player for us if we broke into the top 4.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villabear on January 18, 2022, 08:30:50 AM
I'd bit your hand off for 60 mill. I like SJM but I think if we got a id like that I'd be cashing in, I often think his work rate and his song often blinds some fans to his actual return performance-wise. 

yeah, first think I think of when rating a player is how good his song is. Jeez.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2022, 08:35:42 AM
Unless it was a very ridiculous offer, I wouldn't sell him. either. I thought we missed him on Saturday, especially in the first half. He'd walk into the majority of the sides in this league. Besides, Gerrard likes him so I can't see it happening anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2022, 08:36:36 AM
The first sign that maybe just maybe we are on the verge of creating a team to compete at the top end of the league, we have people start auctioning our first team players off.
Bizarre.

It's ok, he hasn't actually been sold.
Thank fuck that the Football manager types are not in charge of transfer policy in the real world.

Or that people aren't allowed an opinion on a football message board without other people getting bent out of shape!  Who said SJM is good enough to get us there? This is what people are debating.
Who says you are not allowed an opinion? Bent out of shape?
The only thing I was responding  to was the (how much they wold sell him for)
I want us to build the strongest team we can, and  that requires us to keep our best players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 09:48:44 AM
I wouldn't choose to sell him. He's very good, but not great. He doesn't score enough goals and his passing can be terrible at times, so for £60m you'd almost certainly be able to get a better replacement.

Like who though?

He's brilliant, and unique.

He isn't brilliant though really, is he? I mean, he can be great, and he's a very popular member of the squad, but brilliant, not for me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on January 18, 2022, 09:53:03 AM
I'd bit your hand off for 60 mill. I like SJM but I think if we got a id like that I'd be cashing in, I often think his work rate and his song often blinds some fans to his actual return performance-wise.

Clearly such a high opinion of your fellow fans if you think we want to keep a player because of his song.

Which isn’t what I said. I said it sometimes blinds people to his off days. He’s a fans favourite and part of that is his song. But a 60 million bid and I’d be taking it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: teamvillage on January 18, 2022, 09:58:43 AM
The thing is (ridiculously) £30m buys you a player who may or may not work out. Get it wrong and you can spend a further £30m to replace that one.

We know McGinn works for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 10:01:47 AM
....and if not, will be a superb backup!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on January 18, 2022, 10:02:18 AM
That’s right but I think Sanson coming onto the scene really gives us a great option. He was excellent on Saturday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 10:03:27 AM
Let them fight it out, only one winner! Aston Villa.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2022, 10:10:01 AM
I wouldn't choose to sell him. He's very good, but not great. He doesn't score enough goals and his passing can be terrible at times, so for £60m you'd almost certainly be able to get a better replacement.

Like who though?

He's brilliant, and unique.

His arse is brilliant and unique. It gets him free kicks when his technique on the half-turn or with his back to goal fails him time and time again. He just can't get away from players as smoothly as any of our other midfielders and he slows us down more than anyone else when we're trying to break forward. He'll always prefer the Barry Bannan-patented left-footed Hollywood (Hollyrood, considering the Scottish links?) pass than taking players on because he knows he doesn't have the chops to do that.

He's tenacious, drives at the opposition, has a lovely left foot and is a great character but if we want to get into the top six I'd expect him to be overtaken by more complete midfielders before too long. Ramsey already looks like he's ahead of him in the pecking order.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on January 18, 2022, 10:14:05 AM
As with Mings, McGinn might be a cult hero but he's also a player who Villa should look to be upgrading from if the opportunity arises.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 18, 2022, 10:18:09 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous.  On form he is the heartbeat of our team.  It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2022, 10:31:57 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous.  On form he is the heartbeat of our team.  It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash.
And that’s not taking into account the risk of replacing him.
My expectation is that he has not hit his peak yet and could become a devastating player.
Looks like some will be happy to see him in a manure shirt.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 10:38:00 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous.  On form he is the heartbeat of our team.  It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash. 

The number of fans over-reacting to a simple difference of opinion is ridiculous. Nobody would be "happy" to sell him, unless the fee received was too good to turn down. He's not irreplaceable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Billy Walker on January 18, 2022, 10:39:28 AM
As with Mings, McGinn might be a cult hero but he's also a player who Villa should look to be upgrading from if the opportunity arises.

I'm kind of thinking this too.  The smart decision might be to move the remainder of our promotion winning team on while their stock is high and replace them with younger, superior players.  Indeed, it's possible that we might already have younger, superior players already within our ranks. 

I don't like the coldness of such an approach because I have an awful lot of respect and gratitude for players like McGinn and Mings...but then I ask myself what would Ron Saunders have done?  It's the kind of decision that can only be made properly if our CEO and management are totally on the ball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 18, 2022, 10:39:51 AM
On form he is the heartbeat of our team. 




This.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: algy on January 18, 2022, 10:40:00 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous.  On form he is the heartbeat of our team.  It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash.
This.  For me, McGinn is off the table.  No offers considered.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2022, 10:40:17 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous.  On form he is the heartbeat of our team.  It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash. 

The number of fans over-reacting to a simple difference of opinion is ridiculous. Nobody would be "happy" to sell him, unless the fee received was too good to turn down. He's not irreplaceable.
Selling our better players when a Manc club flashes the cash is a horrible pattern I would love to see broken.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 18, 2022, 10:41:16 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous.  On form he is the heartbeat of our team.  It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash. 

The number of fans over-reacting to a simple difference of opinion is ridiculous. Nobody would be "happy" to sell him, unless the fee received was too good to turn down. He's not irreplaceable.
I'm not just talking about on here Risso.  It seems plenty would be 'happy' to sell him from what I've read elsewhere.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Simon Page on January 18, 2022, 10:41:54 AM
We are nowhere near the level of considering the sale of McGinn for anything other than stupid money. We are still a bottom half of the table side and he is very much a top half player. In fact, he seems to be the kind of player who can do his job at any level. Just because we've borrowed a famous Brazilian and battled back for a draw at home doesn't make us in the market for a World XI. With our squad, McGinn will still play more often than not.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 10:44:50 AM

Selling our better players when a Manc club flashes the cash is a horrible pattern I would love to see broken.

There's a big difference between selling your most talented player of a generation and somebody who gives the ball away on an all too frequent basis. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell him, but I think we need better players to challenge the top 6.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on January 18, 2022, 10:57:42 AM

Selling our better players when a Manc club flashes the cash is a horrible pattern I would love to see broken.

There's a big difference between selling your most talented player of a generation and somebody who gives the ball away on an all too frequent basis. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell him, but I think we need better players to challenge the top 6.

I also think that if the last 6 months has taught us anything, it's that no player - no matter how good or important - is bigger than the club, and that our owners are happy to reinvest, which means you can sell one of your better players and still improve the team.

And I say that as someone who absolutely does NOT want McGinn sold.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
The bottom line is that people are suggesting we should sell him. The rumour is that Man Utd want him. We shouldn't sell because there's no need, they are our competitorbthese days, and he is a brilliant player. The only side he wouldn't get in right now is Man City, and potentially Chelsea, but other than that, he'd get in any team.

We should keep him.

Every player loses the ball, every player tries stuff that doesn't work, we sold the one who does it the least, we should be keeping our next best at it. He also wins lots of free kicks and keeps the tempo going.

If really silly money is offered, then I suppose every player has his price, but in reality, his value to us is higher than the numbers quoted. £40m? You're joking, £60m? No thanks, hes not for sale.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2022, 11:37:54 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous.  On form he is the heartbeat of our team.  It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash.
This.  For me, McGinn is off the table.

If he were he might lose a bit of weight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 11:39:12 AM
The bottom line is that people are suggesting we should sell him. The rumour is that Man Utd want him. We shouldn't sell because there's no need, they are our competitorbthese days, and he is a brilliant player. The only side he wouldn't get in right now is Man City, and potentially Chelsea, but other than that, he'd get in any team.

We should keep him.

Every player loses the ball, every player tries stuff that doesn't work, we sold the one who does it the least, we should be keeping our next best at it. He also wins lots of free kicks and keeps the tempo going.

If really silly money is offered, then I suppose every player has his price, but in reality, his value to us is higher than the numbers quoted. £40m? You're joking, £60m? No thanks, hes not for sale.
Exactly - needs to be Joe type money I would think.  Pretty sure the club will want to keep him as much to send a message. 

To me players like him and Mings are missed when there not there. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on January 18, 2022, 11:40:53 AM
Why on Earth would he want to go to a shower of faeces like UTD?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 11:44:12 AM
The bottom line is that people are suggesting we should sell him. The rumour is that Man Utd want him. We shouldn't sell because there's no need, they are our competitorbthese days, and he is a brilliant player. The only side he wouldn't get in right now is Man City, and potentially Chelsea, but other than that, he'd get in any team.

We should keep him.

Every player loses the ball, every player tries stuff that doesn't work, we sold the one who does it the least, we should be keeping our next best at it. He also wins lots of free kicks and keeps the tempo going.

If really silly money is offered, then I suppose every player has his price, but in reality, his value to us is higher than the numbers quoted. £40m? You're joking, £60m? No thanks, hes not for sale.



Each to his own, but I think you're wildly overstating his ability. No way does he get into Liverpool's team, or even West Ham's ahead of Soucek and Rice, or Leicester ahead of Ndidi, Tielemans, Barnes or Maddison. I don't think it's the trying positive stuff that doesn't work that's the main problem with him, it's the number of times he'll do something daft in a dangerous position and just give it away quite often leading to a chance for the opposition.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on January 18, 2022, 12:11:27 PM
If John McGinn could be split up, would you sell his arse to Manchester United or keep it and sell them the other bits?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Billy Walker on January 18, 2022, 12:20:42 PM
If such a deal were to happen, I genuinely think it would highlight the different directions Villa and Man Utd are headed.  We are not in the same situation we were in when Ellis and Lerner were selling the family silver left, right and centre; the whole feel and vibe around the club and where we are headed has altered immeasurably.  We are in control, have solid foundations and a real sense of direction (unlike, say, Man Utd).  Would signing players like McGinn make Man Utd significantly better? I don't think so. Would selling McGinn make Villa significantly worse?  I'm not so sure it would. 





Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 18, 2022, 12:25:14 PM
Like most here I like McGinn and would rather keep hold of him, but he certainly isn't irreplaceable like Grealish was.

If we were to sell for upwards of £45m then it would be a great deal for us given what we paid, and I think we could recruit someone at least as good that would give us a more balanced set of midfielders. He is good, but I don't think he good enough for a 'top 6 team' as a regular. I don't think he would do much to improve Man Utds fortunes and for once I'd trust the club to use the proceeds properly.

If he went and Zakaria came in (or another player of that ilk) and we turn a profit then the team would benefit from it.

That said would rather keep him and sell Luiz and Trez.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on January 18, 2022, 12:28:13 PM
Clowns. First answer: No. 2nd answer: No. 10pm 31st Jan answer: How much? I’d take $50-60m off them for him.  None of that Ashley Young or Dwight Yorke nonsense- you want him pay the money.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 12:41:07 PM
The bottom line is that people are suggesting we should sell him. The rumour is that Man Utd want him. We shouldn't sell because there's no need, they are our competitorbthese days, and he is a brilliant player. The only side he wouldn't get in right now is Man City, and potentially Chelsea, but other than that, he'd get in any team.

We should keep him.

Every player loses the ball, every player tries stuff that doesn't work, we sold the one who does it the least, we should be keeping our next best at it. He also wins lots of free kicks and keeps the tempo going.

If really silly money is offered, then I suppose every player has his price, but in reality, his value to us is higher than the numbers quoted. £40m? You're joking, £60m? No thanks, hes not for sale.



Each to his own, but I think you're wildly overstating his ability. No way does he get into Liverpool's team, or even West Ham's ahead of Soucek and Rice, or Leicester ahead of Ndidi, Tielemans, Barnes or Maddison. I don't think it's the trying positive stuff that doesn't work that's the main problem with him, it's the number of times he'll do something daft in a dangerous position and just give it away quite often leading to a chance for the opposition.

From the weekend he'd get into those teams.

He's better than Jones, Oxlade Chamberlain and could arguably get in ahead of Henderson at Liverpool.

Lanzini, Vlasic at West Ham?

Leicester haven't played but I'd say he'd get in their side. They aren't settled and have chopped and changed a lot recently Tielemens, Dewsbury-Hall, Perez, Lookman all playing in the last few games. I'd argue he'd be ahead of them but get your point.

It's funny how there's always someone in our team who all of sudden isn't good enough. I guess we'll know we're the finished article when none of our current lot are left, barring Martinez, though even he chucked one in his own net on Saturday.

I know we have to grow and evolve but sometimes we need to let players do that too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2022, 12:42:38 PM
If John McGinn could be split up, would you sell his arse to Manchester United or keep it and sell them the other bits?

Well, his arse is worth about £45m on its own.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 12:45:12 PM


From the weekend he'd get into those teams.

He's better than Jones, Oxlade Chamberlain and could arguably get in ahead of Henderson at Liverpool.

Lanzini, Vlasic at West Ham?

Leicester haven't played but I'd say he'd get in their side. They aren't settled and have chopped and changed a lot recently Tielemens, Dewsbury-Hall, Perez, Lookman all playing in the last few games. I'd argue he'd be ahead of them but get your point.

It's funny how there's always someone in our team who all of sudden isn't good enough. I guess we'll know we're the finished article when none of our current lot are left, barring Martinez, though even he chucked one in his own net on Saturday.

I know we have to grow and evolve but sometimes we need to let players do that too.

So we're judging the strength of players on one particular weekend?! OK, so Martinez wouldn't get into a single one of those teams!

And nobody said "McGinn isn't good enough". He's fine for where we are now, trying to crack the top half. If we're going to be top 6 regulars, then I'd argue we need better, but then that probably applies to 3 or 4 players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 12:52:01 PM


From the weekend he'd get into those teams.

He's better than Jones, Oxlade Chamberlain and could arguably get in ahead of Henderson at Liverpool.

Lanzini, Vlasic at West Ham?

Leicester haven't played but I'd say he'd get in their side. They aren't settled and have chopped and changed a lot recently Tielemens, Dewsbury-Hall, Perez, Lookman all playing in the last few games. I'd argue he'd be ahead of them but get your point.

It's funny how there's always someone in our team who all of sudden isn't good enough. I guess we'll know we're the finished article when none of our current lot are left, barring Martinez, though even he chucked one in his own net on Saturday.

I know we have to grow and evolve but sometimes we need to let players do that too.

So we're judging the strength of players on one particular weekend?! OK, so Martinez wouldn't get into a single one of those teams!

And nobody said "McGinn isn't good enough". He's fine for where we are now, trying to crack the top half. If we're going to be top 6 regulars, then I'd argue we need better, but then that probably applies to 3 or 4 players.

Nah, I just couldn't be arsed trawling through every team for the last few weeks, barring Leicester, because they haven't played, and the players you mentioned hadn't played much for them.

Liverpool, but more frequently Man Utd have been linked with signing him. They are the established Top 6 sides, and if they think he'll improve them, I'm pretty sure that's another reason to keep him. I happen to think he could play for any team in the League, I'm just not sure Man City or Chelsea would pick him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2022, 02:02:25 PM
If McGinn, Watkins and Mings, three players who it has been suggested we should upgrade, went on the market tomorrow they'd all end up in better teams than we are right now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 02:11:18 PM
If McGinn, Watkins and Mings, three players who it has been suggested we should upgrade, went on the market tomorrow they'd all end up in better teams than we are right now.
100%
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 18, 2022, 03:13:52 PM
He makes mistakes, and he has his off days, but I find it a joy to watch McGinn giving his all in a Villa shirt, the epitome of the player willing to run through the proverbial brick wall, and capable of individual brilliance too.  He's a special player, and special to Villa - 'upgrade' my arse. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 03:51:41 PM
He makes mistakes, and he has his off days, but I find it a joy to watch McGinn giving his all in a Villa shirt, the epitome of the player willing to run through the proverbial brick wall, and capable of individual brilliance too.  He's a special player, and special to Villa - 'upgrade' my arse.

Hi, I'd like a bit more pert and definitely less hairy please, especially around the sphincter.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2022, 04:35:32 PM
Why would he want to go to that Vipers Nest right now?
They don't even know who the manager is next season, so he could end up with a manager that does not rate him. Its classic Manure crisis management, appease the fans by buying a player that they don't know what to do with.
McGinn will do well to avoid that shit show.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on January 18, 2022, 05:08:45 PM
Why on earth would he leave Villa Park? He's found his home and we love him. Have a horrible feeling Grealish will be back within two years to re-establish the pairing though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Gerrin on January 18, 2022, 05:25:54 PM
Why on earth would he leave Villa Park? He's found his home and we love him. Have a horrible feeling Grealish will be back within two years to re-establish the pairing though.

If Man U qualify for the Champions League, he's away. I think you are right about Grealish, I think it would be a mistake to bring him back. Since Gerrard cam in we look a much better team without him. Dean just couldn't find a way to play in his absence which cost him his job.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2022, 05:55:31 PM
Why on earth would he leave Villa Park? He's found his home and we love him. Have a horrible feeling Grealish will be back within two years to re-establish the pairing though.

If Man U qualify for the Champions League, he's away.

I'm not sure what you are basing that on. He's been linked with them before and he's still here and besides, the next manager up there might not want him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: gpbarr on January 18, 2022, 05:55:55 PM
Simple. Regular European football.

Its a lure we will continue to battle against until we get there. And when we do, other clubs will complain because we will do what others did to us. Its a cycle. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Gerrin on January 18, 2022, 06:04:43 PM
Simple. Regular European football.

Its a lure we will continue to battle against until we get there. And when we do, other clubs will complain because we will do what others did to us. Its a cycle. 

Totally agree, I think Watkins would be at risk because of this if he was scoring more goals. But I think the Arsenal rumours are rubbish because of his low goal return this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on January 18, 2022, 06:07:33 PM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Havencheese on January 18, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
Wouldn’t sell him either, he’s still good enough to play in a Villa shirt. We can flog him off to those Manc losers when he’s on the decline for £20M. Then we’ll take their emerging youth for next to nothing, who will thrive at a stronger club.

This is the new narrative.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 18, 2022, 07:52:47 PM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view

This, if he was not up to it why the interest in buying him?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2022, 09:30:31 AM
If McGinn, Watkins and Mings, three players who it has been suggested we should upgrade, went on the market tomorrow they'd all end up in better teams than we are right now.
100%
200%
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2022, 10:57:49 AM
Lets just not sell one of our better players and fan favourites to Manchester fucking Utd eh?  Surely we can all agree on that?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2022, 10:58:36 AM
Lets just not sell one of our better players and fan favourites to Manchester fucking Utd eh?  Surely we can all agree on that?

I wouldn't sell those fuckers air.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2022, 11:00:58 AM
They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on January 19, 2022, 11:01:50 AM
The days of Manure saying we want him we're having him are long gone. They can jog on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on January 20, 2022, 11:05:01 AM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view

This, if he was not up to it why the interest in buying him?

Because they're not a top 6 team.

This is the worst Man Utd team in living memory.  SJM would struggle to get in to any of Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and West Ham's midfields.  If we want to get in to the Champions League there'll come a point in time when SJM isn't good enough.  That's not now as we're not there yet.  But if a desperate Man Utd offered Harry Maguire money I'd snap their hands off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: amfy on January 20, 2022, 11:16:15 AM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view

This, if he was not up to it why the interest in buying him?

Because they're not a top 6 team.

This is the worst Man Utd team in living memory.  SJM would struggle to get in to any of Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and West Ham's midfields.  If we want to get in to the Champions League there'll come a point in time when SJM isn't good enough.  That's not now as we're not there yet.  But if a desperate Man Utd offered Harry Maguire money I'd snap their hands off.

They’d be buying him as part of top 6 ambitions though which might be an indicator that we shouldn’t be letting him go as part of ours.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on January 20, 2022, 11:31:06 AM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view

This, if he was not up to it why the interest in buying him?

Because they're not a top 6 team.

This is the worst Man Utd team in living memory.  SJM would struggle to get in to any of Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and West Ham's midfields.  If we want to get in to the Champions League there'll come a point in time when SJM isn't good enough.  That's not now as we're not there yet.  But if a desperate Man Utd offered Harry Maguire money I'd snap their hands off.

They’d be buying him as part of top 6 ambitions though which might be an indicator that we shouldn’t be letting him go as part of ours.

I'm not sure they are.  Chances are this is actually just journalist rumours, simply based on the fact that their midfield is crap and SJM would absolutely be an upgrade on McTominay and Fred.

But being better than McTominay doesn't make him top 6 quality.  There are no rumours of the teams who are actually top 6 quality being interested in him.  The only team currently in the top 6 I think he'd get in is Arsenal and they're level on points with a dreadful Man Utd team.

Just to be clear though, I don't think we should be looking to move him on, nor do I think he will move on.  But he's not as good as Grealish and we sold him without the club collapsing.  So if someone offered us £80m I'd take it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2022, 12:44:21 PM
I'd swap him for Ward-Prowse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on January 20, 2022, 12:52:31 PM
I'd swap him for Ward-Prowse.

I wouldn’t. He’s a decent player but just swapping one good player for another isn’t the way to improve a team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on January 20, 2022, 01:04:42 PM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view

This, if he was not up to it why the interest in buying him?

Because they're not a top 6 team.

This is the worst Man Utd team in living memory.  SJM would struggle to get in to any of Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and West Ham's midfields.  If we want to get in to the Champions League there'll come a point in time when SJM isn't good enough.  That's not now as we're not there yet.  But if a desperate Man Utd offered Harry Maguire money I'd snap their hands off.

They’d be buying him as part of top 6 ambitions though which might be an indicator that we shouldn’t be letting him go as part of ours.

Absolutely Amfy, completely agree with this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 20, 2022, 01:12:07 PM
Lets just not sell one of our better players and fan favourites to Manchester fucking Utd eh?  Surely we can all agree on that?

I wouldn't sell those fuckers air.

If it was put in a 'Yanited' or 'TTOD' branded bottle they'd probably buy it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 20, 2022, 01:19:28 PM
As much as i like his enthusiasm and on his day he can be fabulous to watch with his energy and work rate, If anyone offered £40+m i would rip their hands off.

He has had some shockers and is never pulled or left out unless through injury and i do not think that is healthy in any team. Different story with the likes of Greedy as he was an exceptional, generational talent and his absence seriously hindered our play. I thought our midfield in 2nd half was superb with out SJM.

You just know he will be straight back in on Saturday, no matter how well we played in 2nd half and i am never happy when that happens with any player
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2022, 01:21:59 PM
Agreed. Meatball gets a bit of an easier pass cos of his character, I feel.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 22, 2022, 08:03:10 AM
They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.

Am I the only person that rates McTomminay?  I think he’s a decent DCM.

The only justification for selling SJM as I see it are: 1. Stupid money is offered (>£70m) 2. It unlocks a looming FFP problem that us fans might not be aware of/care about.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on January 22, 2022, 08:35:54 AM
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They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.

Am I the only person that rates McTomminay?  I think he’s a decent DCM.

The only justification for selling SJM as I see it are: 1. Stupid money is offered (>£70m) 2. It unlocks a looming FFP problem that us fans might not be aware of/care about.

Me too, I think he’s excellent. Not as consistently good as Rice but the same sort of player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 22, 2022, 09:39:55 AM
I'd swap him for Ward-Prowse.

I wouldn’t. He’s a decent player but just swapping one good player for another isn’t the way to improve a team.

Ward-Prowse is much better though.

I’d swap Dougie for Bissouma as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2022, 10:24:30 AM
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They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.

Am I the only person that rates McTomminay?  I think he’s a decent DCM.

The only justification for selling SJM as I see it are: 1. Stupid money is offered (>£70m) 2. It unlocks a looming FFP problem that us fans might not be aware of/care about.

Me too, I think he’s excellent. Not as consistently good as Rice but the same sort of player.

I think he's shite, personally.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Eckybloke on January 22, 2022, 10:35:17 AM
They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.

Am I the only person that rates McTomminay?  I think he’s a decent DCM.

You’re not. I don’t think he’s the world class DCM we would love but he is very versatile. He can do the DCM job, he does score goals and he can play as central defender in Scotland’s 3
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ad@m on January 22, 2022, 11:20:08 AM
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They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.

Am I the only person that rates McTomminay?  I think he’s a decent DCM.

The only justification for selling SJM as I see it are: 1. Stupid money is offered (>£70m) 2. It unlocks a looming FFP problem that us fans might not be aware of/care about.

Me too, I think he’s excellent. Not as consistently good as Rice but the same sort of player.

I think he's shite, personally.

So does every Man Utd fan I know.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2022, 11:39:03 AM
In fairness he's been holding the Yanited midfield together this season. The rest are powder-puff and unreliable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 22, 2022, 12:10:45 PM
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They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.

Am I the only person that rates McTomminay?  I think he’s a decent DCM.

The only justification for selling SJM as I see it are: 1. Stupid money is offered (>£70m) 2. It unlocks a looming FFP problem that us fans might not be aware of/care about.

Me too, I think he’s excellent. Not as consistently good as Rice but the same sort of player.

I think he's shite, personally.

So does every Man Utd fan I know.

It's kind of harsh on McT, United supporters compare their current midfielders to the likes of Roy Keane and the influence he had on their play. Maybe a fairer comparison would be the likes of Darren Fletcher or Nicky Butt. McT would benefit hugely from having a top midfielder next to him. Fred and Matic are joke players in comparison.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 23, 2022, 12:26:51 PM
Disappointed in his choice of destination and holiday companions?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/john-mcginn-man-utd-transfer-26024736
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2022, 12:31:47 PM
I'm fairly sure there will be a lot of footballers jetting off to Dubai for a break.  Is that Tyrone Mings in the background of McGinn's picture?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 23, 2022, 12:33:34 PM
I'm fairly sure there will be a lot of footballers jetting off to Dubai for a break.  Is that Tyrone Mings in the background of McGinn's picture?

Yes
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2022, 12:36:13 PM
I'm fairly sure there will be a lot of footballers jetting off to Dubai for a break.  Is that Tyrone Mings in the background of McGinn's picture?

Yes

So the Mirror is still the same bullshitting crap it's always been.  Oh No?  SJM is going on holiday with Man united players, exclusively, which is what it is implying.  Good job Tyrone is there to protect him.  Oh No, Tyrone Mings is about to join Man United!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AV82EC on January 23, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
Didn’t the mirror used to be called the Daily Manc anyway as they were so far up Fergusons arse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 23, 2022, 03:32:04 PM
I'm fairly sure there will be a lot of footballers jetting off to Dubai for a break.  Is that Tyrone Mings in the background of McGinn's picture?

Flying from Manchester as well.  Article makes it sound like something of the Inbetweeners.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 23, 2022, 06:34:14 PM
Its a bullshit article. They happen to be all going to the same destination (McGinn, Maguire and Dallot i think), the article presents the headline likes it mates going on holiday and by implication McGinns off to united. When you read it, it gives no evidence for this and actually references Dallot going away with his missis. Pure propaganda for Yanited.

Away from the article, i love McGinn and wouldnt want him to leave, but when we get the fabled DCM in, it means we have McGinn, Sanson, Dougie and Ramsey, competing for two no 8 spots, this would soften the blow.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 23, 2022, 06:34:55 PM
maybe they're just mates? you know, like young men do - go on holiday with other? lads lads lads
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on January 23, 2022, 07:02:12 PM
going on holiday with Maguire what could go wrong. 

The one where McGinn is actually in a picture with anyone its with Mings.  You often see this sort of thing TBH I think its just easy way of filling pages. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: WassallVillain on January 23, 2022, 07:27:11 PM
Maguire looks like his mum got him ready. Who ties a hoodie?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on January 23, 2022, 07:29:20 PM
Maguire looks like his mum got him ready. Who ties a hoodie?
You should have seen the food on the side of his face til his mum did the "lick your thumb" thing and wiped it off
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on January 24, 2022, 05:50:08 PM
Down by Witton Lane off the M42
Inside of Villa Park wearing claret and blue
In the centre of the pitch with a cheeky wee grin
There played a little wizard called Johnny McGinn
And if you wanted to know what he was about
Just watch him volley it in from 40 yards out

Go, go
Go Johnny go, go
Go Johnny go, go
Go Johnny go, go
Go Johnny go, go
Johnny McGinn

My attempt at a song for Wee John  8)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 24, 2022, 07:12:15 PM
Five foot eight
Got some weight
John McGinn is fooking great
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 25, 2022, 10:41:09 AM
Does anyone have any idea why McGinn seems to play predominantly on the right side of midfield for us atm?
Doesn't quite seem to make sense to me because he is so one footed and means he's constantly turning back into traffic or is unable to play balls down the line that would be much easier if he was on the left, or perhaps crossing the ball (which he definitely can do).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 25, 2022, 10:44:43 AM
Does anyone have any idea why McGinn seems to play predominantly on the right side of midfield for us atm?
Doesn't quite seem to make sense to me because he is so one footed and means he's constantly turning back into traffic or is unable to play balls down the line that would be much easier if he was on the left, or perhaps crossing the ball (which he definitely can do).

Maybe because we're generally narrow behind the striker(s), so Gerrard wants the ball play from wider in towards the middle? Rather than opening up and passing out wide?

Dunno, one for the manager :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 25, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
Gives a better angle to feed Cash on the overlap, as well as dragging the covering player inside to leave more space behind?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 25, 2022, 11:30:16 AM
Yeah that all makes sense, easier to shoot cutting in from the right too. I think just because he had a bit of a stinker with the ball on Saturday it seemed to highlight the drawbacks of doing that. However Ramsey was on the left and was great at cutting in/feeding Digne.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mrfuse on January 25, 2022, 11:32:07 AM
Until we get a proper defensive midfielder, McGinn is being slightly restricted and its affecting his game more than it is Ramsey.

Obviously Doug isint the best for that role but hes filling it until we get a better option or Nakamba comes back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 26, 2022, 02:53:40 PM
Until we get a proper defensive midfielder, McGinn is being slightly restricted and its affecting his game more than it is Ramsey.

Obviously Doug isint the best for that role but hes filling it until we get a better option or Nakamba comes back.

And maybe McGinn is filling in on the right (in an eight) until Douglas is free?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 10, 2022, 07:30:27 PM
Having to play deeper and deeper since Marv’s injury. Inhibiting his natural game, it’s a sad spectacle at present.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 10, 2022, 08:24:57 PM
McGinn's poor form pre dates Nakamba's injury. I really wish Gerrard puts an end to him playing at RCM as his technical limitations on his right side are being brutally exposed.

To be honest I think McGinn isn't good enough to play regularly in midfield in a decent team. Further up like he does for Scotland for sure but his passing from a deeper position is woeful. Doesn't track runners, struggles to get turned on the ball (bum roll trick isn't working any more) and lacks the required stamina to play in a 2 or even 3.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Le Lapin on February 13, 2022, 07:38:27 PM
Another shocker from McGinn today. Unable to do the basics. It's almost like his mind is elsewhere....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smirker on February 13, 2022, 07:53:19 PM
Wasn't long ago that the forum didn't want to sell for less than £50m. Now it seems we'd all give him away for free.

He has been in poor form and wasn't good today but he's still a good player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2022, 07:57:42 PM
That pirouette where he let that Harry Potter wanker rob him was embarrassing. He's also lucky that the Newcastle player stayed on his feet in the second half or he would have been off.

A desperate and woeful performance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2022, 08:03:09 PM
Wasn't long ago that the forum didn't want to sell for less than £50m. Now it seems we'd all give him away for free.

He has been in poor form and wasn't good today but he's still a good player.

Personally I'd have driven him where he wants to go for £50m. If he continues like he is we'll be lucky to get half that in the summer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 13, 2022, 08:05:14 PM
Finally taken off is about the only positive....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 13, 2022, 10:16:39 PM
Wasn't long ago that the forum didn't want to sell for less than £50m. Now it seems we'd all give him away for free.

He has been in poor form and wasn't good today but he's still a good player.

There is no point since he has played for us that I wouldn't have happily taken a bid over £35m, which is at least £10m more than he is worth.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on February 13, 2022, 10:27:07 PM
Struggles to turn in two consecutive decent performances and gives the ball away more than most.   Might be better with someone to do the more physical work alongside him but really missing something at the moment.  We love him for games and performances gone by, but hugely disappointing at the moment and I am beginning to questions whether he's hit his peak.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 13, 2022, 10:41:26 PM
He’s another who seems to suffer a rotten run of form. He’s been doing this since he’s been here.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: BC Villain on February 13, 2022, 10:43:10 PM
Wasn't long ago that the forum didn't want to sell for less than £50m. Now it seems we'd all give him away for free.

He has been in poor form and wasn't good today but he's still a good player.

On his last few performances we'd do well to get £5 million for him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 13, 2022, 10:50:31 PM
I think he's genuinely overrated. A fabulous bargain for 2.5m and has done well for us but really getting found out this season as he's not a top 8 player.

If we got anywhere near 45-50mill I'd definitely be cashing in and thanking him for his service. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2022, 12:06:14 AM
I'd love to actually have a mobile, physical midfield with one player who can spray the ball around a bit in there. We never get a strangle hold in games because our midfield is not good enough. Windows later and we still dont have a CDM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on February 14, 2022, 12:17:53 AM
Don't like McGinn, don't understand his almost cult status amongst some fans.

I get that he was a big part of us being promoted, but in the Premier League, the way he performs in the majority of games, it doesn't warrant being included each game.

I'm amazed he appears immune to being dropped.

Needs to improve sharpish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on February 14, 2022, 12:30:42 AM
When the play goes through him everything loses a beat because he has to manoeuvre onto his left foot.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2022, 12:33:34 AM
Bluntly, I don't think he's enough of an athlete for a top-half PL team. Most of his energy seems like it's spent on just enough conditioning to be a 90 minute player. His tricks are his hopeful left-footed through ball which comes off 50/50 but is deployed more regularly than desired because he doesn't have the legs or the skill to run with pace at a defence. His other trick - the bum roll/play for a free-kick is increasingly being found-out. He just doesn't have the technique required.

I really like him but he's made the most of his abilities and he at least needs to be rotated with other midfielders on our books, and probably relegated to the bench in the summer if we are to improve.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2022, 08:01:28 AM
I also wonder about his physical condition.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 14, 2022, 08:17:01 AM
McGinn is a good player when he’s on form, which he patently isn’t at the moment. Being dropped isn’t always a negative, it’s a chance to refocus and recalibrate. I think he needs that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: andyh on February 14, 2022, 08:19:24 AM
Maybe playing him in his right position might help
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2022, 09:15:24 AM
Maybe playing him in his right position might help

The drop off in form does seem to correlate to being pushed back down the pitch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 14, 2022, 09:31:34 AM
Maybe playing him in his right position might help

The drop off in form does seem to correlate to being pushed back down the pitch.

Yes but would you replace Ramsay, Coutinho or Buendia with him further up the pitch? Maybe against more physical teams he replaces Buendia, but he certainly shouldn't be a nailed on starter there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2022, 09:40:47 AM
Maybe playing him in his right position might help

The drop off in form does seem to correlate to being pushed back down the pitch.

Yes but would you replace Ramsay, Coutinho or Buendia with him further up the pitch? Maybe against more physical teams he replaces Buendia, but he certainly shouldn't be a nailed on starter there.

No, I wouldn't necessarily, but as much as Buendia and Coutinho are joyful to watch we're losing some of the solidity of shape that marked our earlier performances under Gerrard and we're not pressing as hard.

The lord gives with one hand and takes away with the other.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2022, 09:45:19 AM
McGinn is not going to get a "go" as an attacking midfielder with us because the players abovementioned all offer more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 14, 2022, 09:10:20 PM
What worries me is his 3 last managers have always stated they loved him and that he was the joker in the pack.
I have always thought he is "undroppable" and all the evidence so far supports that

And he should be faraway from that

If we are to improve then I'm sorry to say we need better than john
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on February 14, 2022, 09:13:33 PM
I can usually tell within 10 minutes of a game if its going to be a good team performance or not based on how McGinn starts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on February 14, 2022, 09:18:00 PM
Also, while im still in a bit of a shit mood whenever I think of yesterday, can I just bring up that he took one of the worst free kicks I've ever seen in the second half, the one on the halfway line that he played 20 yards on the ground straight to a Newcastle player. I was watching the game in my car on my phone and I headbutted the horn as soon as I saw that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: rougegorge on February 15, 2022, 01:12:08 PM
I also wonder about his physical condition.
Yes, my perception at the Leeds game was that he was carrying a bit extra. It's not much, but at this level and for professional athletes it makes a difference. Maybe the break he was given a couple of weeks ago didn't help.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 15, 2022, 01:54:11 PM
Also, while im still in a bit of a shit mood whenever I think of yesterday, can I just bring up that he took one of the worst free kicks I've ever seen in the second half, the one on the halfway line that he played 20 yards on the ground straight to a Newcastle player. I was watching the game in my car on my phone and I headbutted the horn as soon as I saw that.

So not just his performance that was honking.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 15, 2022, 02:26:38 PM
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Maybe the break he was given a couple of weeks ago didn't help.

You mean on the piss in Dubai with Greedy - not a great idea was it
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 05:50:19 PM
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 05:51:53 PM
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 05:52:28 PM
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 05:53:29 PM
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2022, 05:57:44 PM
Christ somebody make it stop.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 15, 2022, 06:01:12 PM
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Maybe the break he was given a couple of weeks ago didn't help.

You mean on the piss in Dubai with Greedy - not a great idea was it

That would be my analysis.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: nigel on February 15, 2022, 06:01:40 PM
Been linked to Liverpool, now 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 15, 2022, 06:03:27 PM
Been linked to Liverpool, now 🤷‍♂️
Is that Greasys next piss up destination.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on February 15, 2022, 06:23:14 PM
He's not disciplined enough for this formation. Or indeed good enough. Consistency is a huge problem for him. I would however like to see him further forward for a few games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 15, 2022, 06:27:00 PM
Been linked to Liverpool, now 🤷‍♂️

I'm sure I can remember Klopp saying how much he admired him after one of their routine wins at VP.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 15, 2022, 07:20:39 PM
Been linked to Liverpool, now 🤷‍♂️

According to The Mirror both Liverpool and Yanited are interested in him. Bring on the bidding war whist we brace ourselves.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on February 15, 2022, 07:28:57 PM
McGinn is a top player but at the moment not playing at his best
But he is still a top player and will be again for us

Teams that are linked with him are Liverpool and Man United not Norwich and Watford
But some on here are saying get rid because he’s had a few below par games and he misplaced a fucking freekick
It’s pathetic really

Maybe he will be rested for the next game and maybe that’s the best thing right now but he’ll be back I’m absolutely certain of that


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 15, 2022, 07:52:59 PM
McGinn is a top player but at the moment not playing at his best
But he is still a top player and will be again for us

Teams that are linked with him are Liverpool and Man United not Norwich and Watford
But some on here are saying get rid because he’s had a few below par games and he misplaced a fucking freekick
It’s pathetic really

Maybe he will be rested for the next game and maybe that’s the best thing right now but he’ll be back I’m absolutely certain of that

110% this
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 15, 2022, 07:53:55 PM
Christ somebody make it stop.
Literally laughing hysterically 😂😂
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 07:57:35 PM
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on February 15, 2022, 08:07:01 PM
Christ somebody make it stop.
Literally laughing hysterically 😂😂

I know when I'm under appreciated. If people don't want to take in some astute observations and potential happenings  I won't give such in depth views  next time as you two being immature trying trying ridicule ny work well Good day sirs!

Just because you think it's 'astute observations', it dosent mean it actually is. That said, McGinn does seem to be this weeks scapegoat when he wasn't really any worse than any of the others.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 15, 2022, 08:14:18 PM
In my astute observation I reckon he's knackered. Too much football these last 18 or so months.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 08:20:47 PM
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 15, 2022, 08:45:57 PM
Christ somebody make it stop.
Literally laughing hysterically 😂😂

I know when I'm under appreciated. If people don't want to take in some astute observations and potential happenings  I won't give such in depth views  next time as you two being immature trying trying ridicule ny work well Good day sirs!
Just because you think it's 'astute observations', it dosent mean it actually is. That said, McGinn does seem to be this weeks scapegoat when he wasn't really any worse than any of the others.
Footy, i wasnt laughing at you, I was laughing at Risso’s reaction.

On the subject of McGinn, I’ve got a huge sentimental soft spot for him and i think he’s also a very good player, who has some off days. Sunday was a really big off day. Id keep him in the team for Saturday and take Luiz out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 15, 2022, 08:55:06 PM
Well we can see what happens  and how my theories work out makes sense to me.
Is your keyboard broken or do you have finger numbaitis?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 10:40:56 PM
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2022, 12:29:46 AM
Christ somebody make it stop.
Literally laughing hysterically 😂😂

I know when I'm under appreciated. If people don't want to take in some astute observations and potential happenings  I won't give such in depth views  next time as you two being immature trying trying ridicule ny work well Good day sirs!
Just because you think it's 'astute observations', it dosent mean it actually is. That said, McGinn does seem to be this weeks scapegoat when he wasn't really any worse than any of the others.
Footy, i wasnt laughing at you, I was laughing at Risso’s reaction.

On the subject of McGinn, I’ve got a huge sentimental soft spot for him and i think he’s also a very good player, who has some off days. Sunday was a really big off day. Id keep him in the team for Saturday and take Luiz out.

What would it take for you to drop him? He's being shown-up by Ramsey, that's how an attacking modern midfielder plays.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 16, 2022, 06:14:45 AM
Christ somebody make it stop.
Literally laughing hysterically 😂😂

I know when I'm under appreciated. If people don't want to take in some astute observations and potential happenings  I won't give such in depth views  next time as you two being immature trying trying ridicule ny work well Good day sirs!
Just because you think it's 'astute observations', it dosent mean it actually is. That said, McGinn does seem to be this weeks scapegoat when he wasn't really any worse than any of the others.
Footy, i wasnt laughing at you, I was laughing at Risso’s reaction.

On the subject of McGinn, I’ve got a huge sentimental soft spot for him and i think he’s also a very good player, who has some off days. Sunday was a really big off day. Id keep him in the team for Saturday and take Luiz out.

What would it take for you to drop him? He's being shown-up by Ramsey, that's how an attacking modern midfielder plays.

I think the issue is that you could quite conceivably drop him and Luiz and Watkins, but i just dont think we have the strength in depth to take those three out in one go. It might also seem a bit panicky from the management to take 3 relatively big hitters out of the team in one go. With that, if there was a choice between McGinn and Luiz to come out of the team on Saturday, i’d personally choose Luiz, as i think at least McGinn adds a bit of aggression even when playing badly.
He was really bad on Sunday ill admit and half invisible against Leeds, so he must be close to being benched for a bit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 16, 2022, 09:14:10 AM
If the centre mid goes missing then that puts stress on the centre backs and the other midfielders.
So you have to solve that problem first.
It is pivotal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 16, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
In all honesty i think Wolves at Home was the last game where i felt he stood out with his performance.

He has been out of sorts for a long time and should of been dropped before now

Same for Luiz and lately Watkins
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 16, 2022, 12:57:59 PM
It’s become very apparent that in this system Gerrard favours we can not afford to have any passengers or dips in form in midfield, especially with Doug, McGinn and Ramsey. Gerrard needs to more ruthless in either dragging them off quickly or starting with someone else.

I think it was the Everton match and Ramsey said he was giving a rollicking at half time and that helped make the difference to his game. It obviously didn’t work at the weekend with SJM or Luiz.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2022, 01:40:57 PM
It’s become very apparent that in this system Gerrard favours we can not afford to have any passengers or dips in form in midfield, especially with Doug, McGinn and Ramsey. Gerrard needs to more ruthless in either dragging them off quickly or starting with someone else.

I think it was the Everton match and Ramsey said he was giving a rollicking at half time and that helped make the difference to his game. It obviously didn’t work at the weekend with SJM or Luiz.

Maybe it's the midfield setup that's the problem. Someone shared a link to one of those anorak analysis sites post Leeds which highlighted McGinn and Ramsey being dragged wide to cover the full backs leaving Luiz to be overran in the middle. In that scenario we should have been forcing Leeds down the flanks. Gerrard was routed tactically by Bielsa really that day. But nothing explains the capitulation against a dreadful Newcastle team last week. Bar a few exceptions we were rubbish v Everton too.

Ramsey is having an excellent season but I don't think he contributes all that much without the ball in terms of winning back possession nor general midfield play either. McGinn and Luiz haven't contributed anything in last two games. I thought Luiz was having a decent season before then. McGinn has been poor for ages.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on February 16, 2022, 01:47:35 PM
His weakness for giving the ball away is going to hold him back and us by consequence.

I'd don't by the system excuse. Ramsey looks like prime Gerrard at times going forwards playing in the same roll.

Defensively, he is not getting tight to his man and lunges in too readily. He was close to being sent off on Sunday and got lucky.

I really like McGinn and his personality, what he can bring to the side. But he's been dire for weeks now. A stint out the side will do him good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 16, 2022, 04:42:30 PM
I like the system it’s exciting in full flow, we just need to be more rigid with two naturally like minded players, a bit like how West Ham set up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 16, 2022, 05:14:43 PM
His weakness for giving the ball away is going to hold him back and us by consequence.

I'd don't by the system excuse. Ramsey looks like prime Gerrard at times going forwards playing in the same roll.

Defensively, he is not getting tight to his man and lunges in too readily. He was close to being sent off on Sunday and got lucky.

I really like McGinn and his personality, what he can bring to the side. But he's been dire for weeks now. A stint out the side will do him good.

It's McGinn who needs to put down the rolls.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 17, 2022, 01:49:45 AM
The main problem with McGinn is him playing alongside Luiz and vice versa. They play on top of each other all the damn time which leaves the midfield toothless. If anyone has got some spare time watch the Everton match back and just focus on them. You won't be impressed.

Another awful performance glossed over by the result. For £47m+ profit manure or plôp can have him. McGinn is 28 soon, so financially it's a good time to cash in.

I would then spend around half the McGinn dosh to buy Koopmeiners from Atalanta.


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 17, 2022, 08:29:53 AM
McGinn is good enough. He’s just knackered. Gets picked every week without ever really being rested.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2022, 08:31:37 AM
McGinn is good enough. He’s just knackered. Gets picked every week without ever really being rested.

They just had 3 weeks off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 17, 2022, 09:40:30 AM
He was in Dubai with "our" Jack, enjoying himself. No excuse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2022, 11:25:31 AM
McGinn is good enough. He’s just knackered. Gets picked every week without ever really being rested.

They just had 3 weeks off.

You keep saying this. But it's not accurate is it? He played against Molde and Brentford and Gerrard said that training was designed to replicate the intensity of a match.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2022, 12:40:43 PM
McGinn is good enough. He’s just knackered. Gets picked every week without ever really being rested.

They just had 3 weeks off.

You keep saying this. But it's not accurate is it? He played against Molde and Brentford and Gerrard said that training was designed to replicate the intensity of a match.

Two weeks then, whatever. He's played 26 games this season, players for teams in Europe like Henderson at Liverpool or Fernandes at Man U have played at least 10-12 more than that.

And if he is tired, well he won't mind a few games rest then, which his recent displays have more than merited.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on February 17, 2022, 01:56:42 PM
Since time and memorial on here the same lame excuses have always been, they’re shattered, not fit enough, Played too many games, need a rest

It’s always been bollocks, is now and will continue to be in the future
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: usav on February 17, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
Indeed it is.  It seems loss of form = tired these days.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 17, 2022, 03:01:48 PM
Since time and memorial on here the same lame excuses have always been, they’re shattered, not fit enough, Played too many games, need a rest

It’s always been bollocks, is now and will continue to be in the future

But I thought you've been sticking up for McGinn?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on February 17, 2022, 03:09:19 PM
Since time and memorial on here the same lame excuses have always been, they’re shattered, not fit enough, Played too many games, need a rest

It’s always been bollocks, is now and will continue to be in the future

But I thought you've been sticking up for McGinn?

I have I’m just talking generally about tiredness and fitness
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2022, 04:45:36 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.

There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on February 17, 2022, 05:24:04 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.

There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.

From what I’ve read here, you’re dead right: the players are shit, the management and coaching staff are shit, it‘s shit getting to and from the ground, getting served at half time is shit, the P.A. is shit, the North Stand is shit, the new Trinity is shit, as is the Witton Road stand.

I’m clinging to the thought that the Holte End isn’t shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on February 17, 2022, 05:30:14 PM
Oh, and I’m almost certainly shit!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2022, 05:40:35 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.

There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.

Especially Steven Fucking Gerrard eh, before he'd even walked through the door!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: rougegorge on February 17, 2022, 06:39:15 PM
I heard an interview with Gerrard where he said that he had given Mings and McGinn some extra time over that recent break compared to the others, in view of their international commitments. Also, they had an enforced break of over 2 weeks around Christmas time (although I don't know who contracted Covid). Amyway, even allowing for internationals, no Villa player has played a huge amount of games so far this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2022, 06:59:22 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.

There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.

Especially Steven Fucking Gerrard eh, before he'd even walked through the door!

You cling on to the one negative view I've had.. I didn't want him, no, but have I been derogatory about him since? Do I keep going on about how shit he is if we have a poor performance? No, he deserves a chance and he won't get everything right.

McGinn is a bloody brilliant player who is being played out of his best position. That doesn't make him shit, worth selling etc.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 17, 2022, 07:13:18 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.

There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.

Especially Steven Fucking Gerrard eh, before he'd even walked through the door!

You cling on to the one negative view I've had.. I didn't want him, no, but have I been derogatory about him since? Do I keep going on about how shit he is if we have a poor performance? No, he deserves a chance and he won't get everything right.

McGinn is a bloody brilliant player who is being played out of his best position. That doesn't make him shit, worth selling etc.

You know what it's like on here, say something once and it's sticks. I mean, I go in a caravan for a week.....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 17, 2022, 08:07:33 PM
Indeed it is.  It seems loss of form = tired these days.
yep that may be one of the reasons for loss of form.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2022, 08:35:12 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.

There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.

Especially Steven Fucking Gerrard eh, before he'd even walked through the door!

You cling on to the one negative view I've had.. I didn't want him, no, but have I been derogatory about him since? Do I keep going on about how shit he is if we have a poor performance? No, he deserves a chance and he won't get everything right.

McGinn is a bloody brilliant player who is being played out of his best position. That doesn't make him shit, worth selling etc.

You know what it's like on here, say something once and it's sticks. I mean, I go in a caravan for a week.....

Thoughts and prayers for it tomorrow, bub. Otherwise you'll be holidaying in Wem in future.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: boozey182 on March 11, 2022, 11:08:16 AM
McGinn has looked much more like himself since the tweak to the formation. He's getting stuck in all over the pitch and was very unlucky not to score last night.

It's made me more confident that he will be an important player for us as we attempt to step up a level - we just need to let him charge around the pitch rather than tethering him to the full-back spots. Having McGinn, Ramsey, Sanson, Doug, Marvellous and a new starting DM would be a great midfield going into next season. 2 great options for each position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on March 11, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
I've had a theory about McGinn for a few months now. When he plays well, we play well as a team. You can usually tell what kind of game were going to have after around 15 minutes based on how SJM is playing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on March 11, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
I think the improvement in him and Luiz in the last 2-3 games shows that the shape was a big part of the problem. Frustratingly Ramsey seems to have lost a bit of form at the same time but I think that's just tiredness rather than him not fitting in this formation.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 31, 2022, 05:43:33 PM
How does this guy get the plaudits he does for Scotland and look so out of sorts with us?!
Quote from: bbc website after the game with Austria
In midfield, John McGinn capped another all-action performance with a top-class goal, thundering a first-time strike high into the net from Kieran Tierney's delivery to double the lead.
McGinn's Scotland tally now stands at an impressive 12 goals in 14 games and his importance as the dynamic fulcrum of this team cannot be overstated.
"He has developed and become the most complete Scotland player in a long time," said former striker Billy Dodds.
"He doesn't lose the ball, gets about the pitch, is so strong and a driving force. He's also added goals to his game. A phenomenal player. He's my first name on the team sheet."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 31, 2022, 06:28:41 PM
How does this guy get the plaudits he does for Scotland and look so out of sorts with us?!
Quote from: bbc website after the game with Austria
In midfield, John McGinn capped another all-action performance with a top-class goal, thundering a first-time strike high into the net from Kieran Tierney's delivery to double the lead.
McGinn's Scotland tally now stands at an impressive 12 goals in 14 games and his importance as the dynamic fulcrum of this team cannot be overstated.
"He has developed and become the most complete Scotland player in a long time," said former striker Billy Dodds.
"He doesn't lose the ball, gets about the pitch, is so strong and a driving force. He's also added goals to his game. A phenomenal player. He's my first name on the team sheet."

He's facing lower quality players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2022, 07:25:45 PM
His arse works better internationally.

And what's the craic with his four-eyed goal celebration?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2022, 07:30:10 PM
His arse works better internationally.

And what's the craic with his four-eyed goal celebration?

I absolutely hate the four eyed goal celebration.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2022, 07:40:49 PM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).

- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mrfuse on March 31, 2022, 07:41:29 PM
His arse works better internationally.

And what's the craic with his four-eyed goal celebration?

I absolutely hate the four eyed goal celebration.

If it happened every match we played, I could learn to like it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2022, 07:41:41 PM
I'm cutting SJM some slack here, but i really do hate that thing he does.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mrfuse on March 31, 2022, 07:46:36 PM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).

- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean


I think you've about covered the main gripes.

I think If I was a player, I would take my shirt off and hand it to the person next to one holding the sign...is that mean?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LukeJames on March 31, 2022, 07:54:29 PM
I fucking hate that shirt sign thing aswell. Just throw a toilet roll on the pitch from the back of the Holte and behave.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2022, 08:30:36 PM
I'm cutting SJM some slack here, but i really do hate that thing he does.

It’s not like we get to see it very often…
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 31, 2022, 08:48:05 PM
I'm cutting SJM some slack here, but i really do hate that thing he does.
the sticking his arse out thing?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 01, 2022, 08:39:32 AM
I'm cutting SJM some slack here, but i really do hate that thing he does.

It’s not like we get to see it very often…

And presumably we don't like it because when we do see it we lose?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2022, 09:14:30 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).

- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean


Great post.

Can I add:

Grown men responding to opposition fan chants by miming that fake orchestra conductor thing with their fingers
Our chant for Coutinho
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2022, 10:03:01 AM
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do

Absolutely yes, that is the worst away fan song ever.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: stubbsyandy on April 01, 2022, 10:27:11 AM
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do

Absolutely yes, that is the worst away fan song ever.

Absolutely! And Southampton…it’s so booooring!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on April 01, 2022, 10:41:45 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).

- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean


Great post.

Can I add:

Grown men responding to opposition fan chants by miming that fake orchestra conductor thing with their fingers
Our chant for Coutinho
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do

Can I add VAR and fans who go to away games but spend half the time in the concourse getting hammered and taking other substances.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on April 01, 2022, 10:54:14 AM
I think we will soon be adding five substitutes rule and the deliberate slowing down of a game in the last 15 minutes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2022, 10:57:32 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).

- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean


Great post.

Can I add:

Grown men responding to opposition fan chants by miming that fake orchestra conductor thing with their fingers
Our chant for Coutinho
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do

Can I add VAR and fans who go to away games but spend half the time in the concourse getting hammered and taking other substances.

You most certainly can.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 02, 2022, 10:44:38 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).

- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean


- Players talking into their hands
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 02, 2022, 11:24:58 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).

- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean


- Players talking into their hands

I've seen kids aping this in thier own games - quite pathetic
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on April 02, 2022, 12:32:51 PM
It maybe the Festival league fifty years ago but not once did a teamate lay a hand on me after i scored a goal, a very quick good goal mate and then back to the centre spot. Where and when did all this jumping over each other start? it aiil looks pathetic. Exept when Villa score.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bad English on April 02, 2022, 02:36:19 PM
Can we add any towels that are a) not in the dressing room on a hook by the shower. b) on a bar c) near a football on the touchline?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2022, 04:05:55 PM
Can we sell McGinn to Scotland permanently? He does his best work for them, would get away with being half-fit and can rest for weeks between games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 02, 2022, 04:47:55 PM
He plays in a front 3 for Scotland, or one of the 2 behind the front man to be more precise. I don't think his strengths are in CM and I simply wouldn't be playing him there anymore. He gives the ball away too often.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on April 02, 2022, 06:34:15 PM
Gives the ball away far too often.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: achilles on April 02, 2022, 10:16:46 PM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).

- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean


Great post.

Can I add:

Grown men responding to opposition fan chants by miming that fake orchestra conductor thing with their fingers
Our chant for Coutinho
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do

Can I add VAR and fans who go to away games but spend half the time in the concourse getting hammered and taking other substances.

Can I ask how you know this as I seem to spend most of my time actually watching the game?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on April 03, 2022, 07:02:04 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).

- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean


Great post.

Can I add:

Grown men responding to opposition fan chants by miming that fake orchestra conductor thing with their fingers
Our chant for Coutinho
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do

Can I add VAR and fans who go to away games but spend half the time in the concourse getting hammered and taking other substances.

Can I ask how you know this as I seem to spend most of my time actually watching the game?

Every now and again, I have to visit the toilet and sometimes  that's during the game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 04, 2022, 11:47:20 AM
Gives the ball away far too often.

He does and probably more than anyone else.  He does get more of the ball too because he gets himself involved and tries stuff no other midfielder dare attempt.  Even so, his surging runs from the back as exciting as they can be should be more measured.  For starters, don't attempt them so deep and with a gaping hole in defense should they not come off as happened V Wolves. Gerrard needs to instruct him to cut that sort of shit out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on April 09, 2022, 02:07:27 PM
McGinn is a top six player imo
He might not be playing to the top of his form at the moment, but he will play for a top six side within the next two or three years whether it will be us or not is another matter

If he leaves Villa in that time he will not be going to the likes of Southampton, Everton, Crystal Palace or even Wolves it will be for a team in the top six you mark my words

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 04:18:53 PM
Sorry John, I expect more consistency from him if he's a top 6 player.  Starting today, that would be good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: fredm on April 09, 2022, 05:11:02 PM
It depends where he is asked to play. If it is as a back up to the front player(s) then he will be ok. If he is asked to do the defensive midfield role then he will be walked all over - again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 06:29:25 PM
When he plays like this, he's excellent.  Given the ball away a couple of times but played well so far tonight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2022, 06:38:07 PM
Tonight? It's daylight, please don't wish away time  ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 09, 2022, 06:45:44 PM
Tonight? It's daylight, please don't wish away time  ;)
might wish away the next 40 mins or so
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 09, 2022, 07:05:43 PM
He’s a player who needs to be dropped to understand the level of performance he’s putting in is consistently unacceptable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 09, 2022, 07:20:21 PM
Drop. Him. Play him in his position for Scotland or not at all. The fact that he seems undroppable really fucks me off, which is obviously not his fault.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 07:31:24 PM
Utterly useless fat bastard. He’s fucking rubbish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 09, 2022, 07:32:10 PM
This isn't on McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 07:38:46 PM
This isn't on McGinn.

His inability to make a simple pass to a team mate is. What is he actually good at?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on April 09, 2022, 07:41:23 PM
This isn't on McGinn.

His inability to make a simple pass to a team mate is. What is he actually good at?

He had three or four bad turnovers.. and continues to open up his hips in the middle of the pitch to hit a 20yd telegraphed ball to the left and fails.

It’s costing us goals and we’re actively getting punished for it. He needs some time on the pine.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2022, 07:44:01 PM
Drop. Him. Play him in his position for Scotland or not at all. The fact that he seems undroppable really fucks me off, which is obviously not his fault.
Yep.
Exactly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 07:45:38 PM
He’s shit. Scotland have mostly played the likes of San Marino. Get rid.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 09, 2022, 07:50:53 PM
Its not his fault we lost 0-4.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 09, 2022, 07:54:29 PM
We need two big improvements on JM and Doug, give JJ the chance to realise his potential, and keep Coutinho. The rest are fine as squaddies.

The good thing is we’ll get decent offers for those two, especially McGinn as other teams and fans don’t seem to realise he’s just not very good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: passport1 on April 09, 2022, 07:55:05 PM
Slightly odd to be giving pelters to J McG today given the shit show by our central defenders and strikers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 09, 2022, 07:55:10 PM
Its not his fault we lost 0-4.

No, but he’s crap nearly every week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 09, 2022, 07:55:39 PM
Slightly odd to be giving pelters to J McG today given the shit show by our central defenders and strikers.

It’s the McGinn thread.

Don’t rate our strikers. However, I’d be interested to see our defence playing behind a midfield that actually exists.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 07:57:01 PM
He was the worst player on the pitch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 07:57:35 PM
We need two big improvements on JM and Doug, give JJ the chance to realise his potential, and keep Coutinho. The rest are fine as squaddies.

The good thing is we’ll get decent offers for those two, especially McGinn as other teams and fans don’t seem to realise he’s just not very good.

Well said Perce.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 09, 2022, 08:10:56 PM
if we want to get towards the top 6 then McGinn and a few others need moving on and replacing with better.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 08:14:18 PM
Its not his fault we lost 0-4.

He is part of a collective, therefore, yes it is his fault.  Same as the rest of them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on April 09, 2022, 08:36:06 PM
John McGinn loves to give the ball away in dangerous areas. He isn't good enough.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 09, 2022, 08:48:07 PM
I don’t know if he’s not good enough, but he has been playing desperately poorly for a while. He has to be dropped, it’s not helpful for players to know they’ll start irrespective of how poor they’re playing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2022, 01:29:43 AM
Complete liability on the ball in defensive areas.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on April 10, 2022, 04:03:23 AM
My least favourite player at present. Either play him where he's most effective, or drop him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Scott Nielsen on April 10, 2022, 05:06:14 AM
Complete liability on the ball in defensive areas.

Yes. I can't recall a single player that gifts the ball to our opponents in such damaging areas with such obscene regularity.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 10, 2022, 09:53:06 AM
Its his distribution that lets him down, if he is forced to play deep then there must be better options at the club.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 10:55:25 AM
I still stand by what I said about John McGinn
he will play for a top 6 team and play champions league football for someone in the prem
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2022, 10:58:36 AM
I still stand by what I said about John McGinn
he will play for a top 6 team and play champions league football for someone in the prem

I will bare my arse on the steps of the Holte if that ever happens. Not a chance in hell.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 11:01:53 AM
I still stand by what I said about John McGinn
he will play for a top 6 team and play champions league football for someone in the prem

I will bare my arse on the steps of the Holte if that ever happens. Not a chance in hell.

Post Banked and put away for later time
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on April 10, 2022, 11:15:34 AM
I still stand by what I said about John McGinn
he will play for a top 6 team and play champions league football for someone in the prem
He's not a dud, for sure. He needs a rest and a decent team around him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2022, 11:29:14 AM
He gives it away far too much to be a top player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 10, 2022, 01:19:48 PM
He gives it away far too much to be a top player.

And normally it's when he's under no pressure.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Proposition Joe on April 10, 2022, 01:22:30 PM
He gives it away far too much to be a top player.

Yes, exactly this.  We need someone in his position with much better technique - I thought this would be Sanson, but he hasn't really kicked on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 10, 2022, 01:27:45 PM
If he hadn't happened to be playing against Hugo Lloris deciding to choose yesterday to have the game of his life, everyone would have been singing his praises.

We need an outlet further forward so we have a choice to play it long or short. If McGinn has to keep getting the ball ten yards from our penalty area he is never going to be at his most effective. Defensive midfielder behind him and a vaguely competent replacement for Watkins will sort that out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 10, 2022, 03:24:50 PM
Its his distribution that lets him down, if he is forced to play deep then there must be better options at the club.   

He's a risk taker playing in a position where he shouldn't be taking them as it leaves us exposed when he does.

Either he changes, the formation changes, or he should be dropped.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: achilles on April 10, 2022, 03:57:01 PM
Its his distribution that lets him down, if he is forced to play deep then there must be better options at the club.   

He's a risk taker playing in a position where he shouldn't be taking them as it leaves us exposed when he does.

Either he changes, the formation changes, or he should be dropped.

Absolutely!

Watched him closely in the second half yesterday and he seemed utterly lost! He is obviously under instructions not to get forward so he is really struggling and becoming a shadow of the player he once was for us! Still convinced McGinn is a good player but his style is an all action involvement style which doesn't suit the system that Gerrard wants him to play.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2022, 04:28:56 PM
He was in forward areas for most of the game yesterday, he just wasn't very good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 04:59:06 PM
He was in forward areas for most of the game yesterday, he just wasn't very good.

We battered Spurs yesterday in the first half everybody admits that even pundits on the telly, We didn’t capitalise on the domination because of the misfits upfront And a keeper that turned into Gordon Banks
So he really couldn’t have been that bad don’t know what you were watching because it obviously wasn’t the match

He gave the ball away three times you said, I’m not saying that’s good and admittedly they were in dangerous positions but to use words like useless and did nothing, he needs to go, that I’m seeing on here is just pathetically ridiculous
You have an agenda against him fair enough I’ve been there I’ve done that with certain players in the past so I know what it’s like, but you’re still wrong
No mentions of the times he won the ball back, no mentions of the forward runs forward passes, no mention of the decent shot he had, no mention of the part he played when we were all over Spurs in the first half,

he gave the ball away three times for fuck‘s sake, Honestly it’s the most pathetic thing I’m reading on here lately
I’m not looking to change your mind because I know that won’t happen you’re set in your ways on this one and quite frankly don’t have very good judgement on players in my opinion which doesn’t help

McGinn is not in top form but he is no way the biggest liability we have in our team at the moment when we have a couple of misfiring numpties up front and centre backs with no composure or technical ability at the back


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2022, 05:00:48 PM
He runs like Quasimodo, the hunched little meatball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2022, 10:49:47 PM
Just impressed that JJ seems to understand the Scottish accent quite well:

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on June 01, 2022, 12:42:47 AM
He runs like Quasimodo, the hunched little meatball.

I didn’t quite get the the thing he quoted himself that he always looks like he’s just got out of/is getting away from a helicopter until the next time I saw him play, then thought aha!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 02, 2022, 04:27:46 PM
His header miss yesterday... oooh boy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2022, 05:09:52 PM
Was he trying to be too smart in going for the near post?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 03, 2022, 09:20:41 AM
His header miss yesterday... oooh boy.

Just seen it on SSN. Deary me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 03, 2022, 11:53:14 AM
Exactly the reason we should not have his as a starter in our team
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on June 03, 2022, 12:01:00 PM
Exactly the reason we should not have his as a starter in our team

One missed header? That's a stretch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2022, 04:13:38 PM
Exactly the reason we should not have his as a starter in our team

One missed header? That's a stretch.

And quite possibly the various mis-placed passes, only a couple of goals and few assists.  Flatters to deceive despite his hustle and bustle style.  Needs to kick on now.  Hopefully will do, knowing the defence is protected at last.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 03, 2022, 04:18:59 PM
McGinn is fine for the 14th team in the league. Any higher than 10th consistently and he may need upgrading. Until then...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Taylor on June 03, 2022, 04:51:37 PM
I f**king love John Mcginn. Leave him alone.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on June 03, 2022, 05:31:48 PM
I don't think we should be completely reliant on McGinn but neither do I think he's the problem.

I don't want to see us keeping playing him on the right of midfield so he has to turn inside to get onto his left foot though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2022, 10:10:05 AM
I f**king love John Mcginn. Leave him alone.

Correct.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on June 04, 2022, 12:54:30 PM
I f**king love John Mcginn. Leave him alone.

Correct.

H&V’s most underated player
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2022, 03:26:19 PM
I f**king love John Mcginn. Leave him alone.

Correct.

H&V’s most underated player

Quite the opposite amongst media and opposition fans in my experience.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2022, 03:47:42 PM
H&V's most overrated player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on June 04, 2022, 04:31:17 PM
H&V's most overrated player.

This.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 04, 2022, 04:43:10 PM
H&V's most overrated player.

This.
I think he probably is.
His loose passing at times is overlooked because of his pressing. He's got a very big season coming up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on June 04, 2022, 04:52:55 PM
H&V's most overrated player.

This.
I think he probably is.
His loose passing at times is overlooked because of his pressing. He's got a very big season coming up.


Sometimes I wonder whether you guys know anything about Football whatsoever
I know it’s all about opinions but you know the stick John McGinn gets on here is unbelievable it makes me think you guys have zero idea and I mean zero idea about what you’re talking about

Reminds me of that time years ago when people said Grealish was just a one trick pony Who offered nothing just fuck off You don’t know what you’re talking about
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: stubbsyandy on June 04, 2022, 05:28:34 PM
H&V's most overrated player.

This.
I think he probably is.
His loose passing at times is overlooked because of his pressing. He's got a very big season coming up.


Sometimes I wonder whether you guys know anything about Football whatsoever
I know it’s all about opinions but you know the stick John McGinn gets on here is unbelievable it makes me think you guys have zero idea and I mean zero idea about what you’re talking about

Reminds me of that time years ago when people said Grealish was just a one trick pony Who offered nothing just fuck off You don’t know what you’re talking about

Spot on
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2022, 05:36:32 PM
H&V's most overrated player.

This.
I think he probably is.
His loose passing at times is overlooked because of his pressing. He's got a very big season coming up.

Enough about Ollie Watkins, he has his own thread.

As for SJM, I look forward to seeing him next season when he's not carrying the weight of the team on his shoulders and played out of position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2022, 06:13:42 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2022, 06:17:38 PM
John McGinn shouldn’t be irreplaceable. He played pretty much every game under Gerrard. Which is why we need a much better players in that part of the pitch. He’s a good PL midfielder but not close to elite. A brilliant player to have at the club and in the squad and as we have all seen will have some magical moments. But neither him or Douglas Luiz will elevate us to the upper tier of the PL.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2022, 06:28:02 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.

I agree with that.

He's not useless, far from it, but at PL level he's looked middling at best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 04, 2022, 06:35:09 PM
He is part of a malfunctioning midfield.
I would like to see him in a functioning team with a role that does not involve chasing and covering for full backs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 04, 2022, 06:40:56 PM
With a proper DM, he might outscore our right back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2022, 07:29:11 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.

Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2022, 07:31:36 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.

Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.

Do you not rate him? You've not mentioned it before.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: KevinGage on June 04, 2022, 07:49:32 PM
McGinn at his best is good enough for a top 6 - top 8 side.

But agree with others that he needs more competition to push him on.

Great guy, but shouldn't be one of the sacred cows who have no fear of being dropped. He looked flat for large parts from Jan onwards.

Will be good to see how he looks after the summer with the batteries recharged.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on June 04, 2022, 08:11:10 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.

Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.

if he leaves it will be for big money and a team far higher than us at the moment
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 04, 2022, 08:50:51 PM
His technique/lack thereof lets him down. He is very slow on the half-turn, hence knowing that he needs to use his arse. He's fantastic at winning free-kicks, most of the time he's not had the technique to get away from the opposing player but does enough to draw the foul.

When we play the top eight they're wiser to this and his weaknesses are highlighted. I'd keep him as he still has great attributes (lovely left foot, works like a trojan) but he should not be a regular starter, let alone the practical ever-present he is at the moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2022, 09:13:07 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.

Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.

if he leaves it will be for big money and a team far higher than us at the moment

But then again, it probably won't be.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2022, 09:14:24 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.

Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.

Do you not rate him? You've not mentioned it before.

We're up to 220 pages in the John McGinn thread. If you've got something new to say, let's hear it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nelly on June 04, 2022, 09:26:12 PM
Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?

If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2022, 10:48:42 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.

Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.

Do you not rate him? You've not mentioned it before.

We're up to 220 pages in the John McGinn thread. If you've got something new to say, let's hear it.

Nah, that's ok. I'm sure you'll update us tomorrow though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 04, 2022, 10:51:35 PM
Outside of this forum he is one of the most overrated, along with Luiz. From what I've gathered on here I think he's rated about right, a mixed bag.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on June 04, 2022, 10:52:01 PM
He looks great at times and awful at others. Other teams appear to covet him, ex player pundits rave about him.

I think he's better whne he keeps it simple and isn't trying to force games. And again when he's in his favoured position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Allan C on June 04, 2022, 11:09:45 PM
Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?

If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.
This is a problem with some people on these threads, it’s always someone else’s fault, it’s the coaches fault, it was the previous coaches fault, they’re playing out of position, “he didn’t see eye to eye with Beale”. Maybe it is actually that he’s not quite good enough at this level ??
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2022, 11:10:26 PM
His favoured position is what? Further forward? I’m still waiting for him to kick on when he’s playing further forward. I’m still not seeing it and the stats for goals and assists don’t stack up as yet.  I am genuinely hoping that SJM comes of of his shell with better players around him and we see this fabled player. He’s in there somewhere, I am sure. Not giving up on him yet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Legion on June 04, 2022, 11:21:19 PM
He looks great at times and awful at others. Other teams appear to covet him, ex player pundits rave about him.

I think he's better whne he keeps it simple and isn't trying to force games. And again when he's in his favoured position.

Agreed. I think he's great. Super, even.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nelly on June 04, 2022, 11:37:57 PM
Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?

If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.
This is a problem with some people on these threads, it’s always someone else’s fault, it’s the coaches fault, it was the previous coaches fault, they’re playing out of position, “he didn’t see eye to eye with Beale”. Maybe it is actually that he’s not quite good enough at this level ??

"Some people". Sure, Allan.

It could be that he's not good enough, that's an option. Let's at least replace him with better before we write him off. Also, I do think it's worth a go playing him in his favoured position - I thought footballers trained all day to specialise in what they do best? Extreme example, but would we be okay with sticking Emi Martinez up front and writing him off if he doesn't deliver a glorious return?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: DC1874 on June 04, 2022, 11:47:52 PM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2022, 12:08:16 AM
Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?

If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.

The only thing I heard these last few months from SJM was he'd been told by SG that he needs to start living like a professional footballer and change his diet. Maybe Beale had mentioned it to him previously, thus a potential fall out but once SG told him he knew he had an issue.

For what it's worth, I think SJM has been playing too much football both for us and Scotland these last few years. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was brought back too early from his injury. Add to that playing out of position until it was pointed out to Dean how many goals he was scoring for Scotland and then being undroppable under SG. The fat fucker needs a rest. I love him and I'm sure come the new season we'll see the same SJM we all saw on our return to the PL, hopefully with a fresh pair of legs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2022, 10:07:08 AM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!

I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!

That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 05, 2022, 10:11:51 AM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!

I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!

That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.

And we've never seen him do it in the Premier League more than three times a season. He played as one of the most attacking of the midfield three for most of last season, and still couldn't score.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2022, 10:16:42 AM
I also think, there's a strange situation whereby outside the club he appears to be highly rated (if you believe the press talk) to the extent that he's the sort of player we'd get offered a lot of money for.

From that, I'd say that I'd rather sell a £20m player for £45m than a £45m player for £45m.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 10:20:17 AM
Hibs/St Mirren get 15% of any fee between them. I'd want £50 million if we considered selling. We'd need about £59 million to get that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 05, 2022, 10:29:25 AM
Whatever you think of him he’s been the best of the central midfield options in the time he’s been here up until maybe the past 6 months where Ramsey has outshone him a bit. He didn’t play the more attacking midfield role either last season, Ramsey did.
He’s had to play with piss weak, off the pace players like Nakamba, Luiz and Sanson since we’ve been in the PL, or kids.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 05, 2022, 10:29:42 AM
I'd want £50mil to sell him, but if we was buying him off Burnley (for example) then I'd be pissed off if we spent more than £25mil.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2022, 10:33:19 AM
RCF mentions that he's played too much football and I'd agree, especially with the high energy game he plays. I think most footballers do in our league. You only have to look at that turge fest yesterday. The seasaon only finished a few weeks ago and they're playing pointless games. I'm glad the likes of Watkins and Mings are sitting on a beach somewhere with their feet up.

As for McGinn, I like him a lot, I think he's great. Hopefully next season with a couple of additions, we can give him a rest now and again and more importantly, play him further forward.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on June 05, 2022, 10:42:35 AM
RCF mentions that he's played too much football and I'd agree, especially with the high energy game he plays. I think most footballers do in our league. You only have to look at that turge fest yesterday. The seasaon only finished a few weeks ago and they're playing pointless games. I'm glad the likes of Watkins and Mings are sitting on a beach somewhere with their feet up.

As for McGinn, I like him a lot, I think he's great. Hopefully next season with a couple of additions, we can give him a rest now and again and more importantly, play him further forward.

Totally agree.  These pointless international games are a right load of bollocks.  McGinn is a cracking player on his day and hopefully those days will be more commonplace when he's playing in a settled, high-functioning midfield with a specialist holding midfielder doing the water carrying. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 10:43:42 AM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 05, 2022, 10:44:28 AM
When we have a squad with options I would expect to see less in terms of minutes  but more in terms of contribution.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2022, 10:58:54 AM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.

But players don't need them so soon after a season has finished and especially with another season and a World Cup looming.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 05, 2022, 11:06:14 AM
The Nations' League is more meaningful than the meaningless friendlies it's replaced.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 11:08:31 AM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.

But players don't need them so soon after a season has finished and especially with another season and a World Cup looming.

Better to play them at the end of the season than disrupt the season over and over again, IMO. And McGinn's last game was moved from March, to be fair. FIFA aren't to blame for Russia invading Ukraine.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2022, 11:23:22 AM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.

Sorry mate, but aren't most of Scotland's fixtures pointless precisely because they never fucking qualify?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: nigel on June 05, 2022, 11:33:13 AM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!

I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!

That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.

And we've never seen him do it in the Premier League more than three times a season. He played as one of the most attacking of the midfield three for most of last season, and still couldn't score.

Not for want of trying, though.
I’m pretty sure on 3 or 4 occasions the various keepers pulled of a good/great save, and a few other times he was slightly off target.
So, just like Ollie, a bit more accuracy/luck and SJM could have hit double figures, or pretty close.

 I think he’s certainly a top half Premier League player. Top 4 or 5? Probably not, but he could certainly do a grand job for any team hovering around 6-10
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 11:39:08 AM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.

Sorry mate, but aren't most of Scotland's fixtures pointless precisely because they never fucking qualify?

It's always worth seeing which teams we help qualify.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on June 05, 2022, 11:40:10 AM
I don’t suppose it matters what we think really it’s what Gerrard thinks that matters
And I think Gerrard sees him as integral to the project over the next couple of seasons

Hopefully we will hit the top six with McGinn as a starter to prove you know nothings all wrong
either that or McGinn will be playing for a top six side somewhere else either way he’s a top six player and that’s where he’ll end up playing


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 05, 2022, 11:55:55 AM
How on earth has he played too many games? We haven't been in Europe and haven't got very far in the cups. McGinn has played in 45 games this season. Declan Rice and Tielemans have played in 56 to name two comparable examples. That's the number of games that good players for successful teams have to play a year.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 12:04:37 PM
It's about 43 more than Grealish played and we got £100 million for him. 🙂
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
I remember the collective anxiety around Villa Park when he got that horrible injury in December 2019 against Southampton. By then it was becoming clear that our first season back was going to be a struggle. Mcginn along with Grealish had both played well for those first few months and the McGinn injury felt like it could be the nail in the coffin, he was that important to us. The rest is history with the forced covid break one of many things saving that season.
I love McGinn, but i do think he hasn’t quite been the same player since, equally that could be as much about him being played much deeper. There have been flashes when he’d grabbed games by the scruff of the neck, doing those barnstorming runs, Man Utd away in the cup and Southampton at home spring to mind.
I think he’s absolutely a top 10 player, i also think we need to see how he does this season within a proper structured and balanced midfield before judging whether he can be part of a top 6 midfield. Either way he’s already been a great servant and player for the club in an important time in our recent history.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 05, 2022, 01:02:42 PM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!

I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!

That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.

And we've never seen him do it in the Premier League more than three times a season. He played as one of the most attacking of the midfield three for most of last season, and still couldn't score.

Not for want of trying, though.
I’m pretty sure on 3 or 4 occasions the various keepers pulled of a good/great save, and a few other times he was slightly off target.
So, just like Ollie, a bit more accuracy/luck and SJM could have hit double figures, or pretty close.

 I think he’s certainly a top half Premier League player. Top 4 or 5? Probably not, but he could certainly do a grand job for any team hovering around 6-10


He had sixteen efforts on target all season. That's a world class conversion rate if he's scoring double figures from that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on June 05, 2022, 01:22:08 PM
I think he is a great player and would be greatly missed if he went. Just look at the last goal of the month, two great assists by SJM: one from the left for Watkins, another from the right for Buendia. Like some others he could do with not playing every game and having a more solid midfield base behind him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 05, 2022, 01:32:01 PM
I think he’s absolutely a top 10 player, i also think we need to see how he does this season within a proper structured and balanced midfield before judging whether he can be part of a top 6 midfield. Either way he’s already been a great servant and player for the club in an important time in our recent history.

I think that’s about where he is as well. In terms of position, he’s box to box, but considering how little support he’s been getting in there it’s been difficult for him to not get bogged down meaning that he’s not really free to play that role as well as he could.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rigadon on June 05, 2022, 01:44:28 PM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.

I don't watch much international football, actually, I don't watch any football apart from Villa and if England qualify for a major tournament.  So I'm pretty ignorant on the subject and would rather our players have a rest unless it's one of the above!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2022, 01:50:57 PM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.

These games might well turn out to be pointless because I don't think that UEFA have confirmed that this edition of the Nations League will be included in the qualification process for the next Euros.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on June 05, 2022, 01:57:31 PM
I think he is a great player and would be greatly missed if he went. Just look at the last goal of the month, two great assists by SJM: one from the left for Watkins, another from the right for Buendia. Like some others he could do with not playing every game and having a more solid midfield base behind him.

Yeah but what about that misplaced pass he made in the 23rd minute when he was trying to move the ball forward  and set up an attacking situation and went to the opposition, The bastard he’s shit,

He needs to go and let’s bring in someone that only passes sideways and never gives it away, we don’t need progressive players who go forward and sometimes give the ball away, We need a bunch load of defensive midfielders passing the fucker backwards
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 02:17:07 PM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.

These games might well turn out to be pointless because I don't think that UEFA have confirmed that this edition of the Nations League will be included in the qualification process for the next Euros.

At the minimum, they will be used to decide seeding for the European Championship Qualifiers. They will almost certainly be used to allocate playoff spots, too. All that has really to be decided is if the Nations League is the sole provider of playoff spots, like it was for Euro 2020, or if it provides two additional playoff spots, like it does for this World Cup.

In any case, you can still win a trophy, so I'd argue it isn't "pointless", regardless. I don't believe Villa winning the League Cup in 1961 was worthless because it wasn't it didn't provide European competition at that point. The Nations League is clearly not as big a deal as the Euros or World Cup, but it's still well worth winning, and it would be front page news in every newspaper if England won it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: nigel on June 05, 2022, 04:03:44 PM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!

I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!

That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.

And we've never seen him do it in the Premier League more than three times a season. He played as one of the most attacking of the midfield three for most of last season, and still couldn't score.

Not for want of trying, though.
I’m pretty sure on 3 or 4 occasions the various keepers pulled of a good/great save, and a few other times he was slightly off target.
So, just like Ollie, a bit more accuracy/luck and SJM could have hit double figures, or pretty close.

 I think he’s certainly a top half Premier League player. Top 4 or 5? Probably not, but he could certainly do a grand job for any team hovering around 6-10


He had sixteen efforts on target all season. That's a world class conversion rate if he's scoring double figures from that.

I also mentioned the ones that were slightly off target, too.
I don’t count the numbers,  but, the point I was making was that it’s not as if he wasn’t having a go, he was pretty unlucky on a fair few occasions
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2022, 12:48:28 AM
I think McGinn is the sort of player who'd benefit from playing fewer games. I'm not saying he plays too many, but that he'd be better playing fewer.

I also think his style is precisely what a lot of managers want, though I'm not sure he'd be seen as a starter, but definitely a very well used substitute and Cup player.

And perhaps that's where we need to go with him too. Milner as an example is very similar, though more of an athlete, and that's an area that McGinn,by common consent, needs to work on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2022, 01:12:08 AM
He's 27 now, how likely is he to change his meatball diet?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 06, 2022, 01:32:53 PM
He's 27 now, how likely is he to change his meatball diet?

Or improve his ability.

He is high energy and i can see how he gets fans on side with his honest endeavour but its not enough and too many times his arse pivot then 40/50 yard Hollywood pass just gives up possession in the wrong places. He does it with such regularity that i feel he can be a liability at times.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: frank black on June 06, 2022, 01:57:48 PM
I don’t have great trust in Stevie G, but I’d certainly trust him to judge our midfielders and get this right. So if he thinks he can get better and more, then replace McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 14, 2022, 07:06:57 PM
I know Scotland have played some really poor sides in the last three years but this is an interesting stat.
https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/1536758773976649729?t=lH2Hwegq4jBkp-xt0dvqxQ&s=19
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2022, 08:57:12 PM
I think its odd that there's been accusations, tongue in cheek or otherwise, thrown that people who don't rate McGinn don't know anything about football, but in the same breath dismiss his unique ability to give the ball away in such crucial areas as a nothing.

He does it so often and so repeatedly that it costs goals. Arsenal away stands out, but he did the same thing at Man City.

He needs to look after the ball better if we're going to improve as a side and dominate possession and territory further up the pitch.

His goal scoring record is poor too with 9 goals in 100 games. He was outscored by Cash and totally outshone by Ramsey, who is significantly better quality.

He's the weak link of a midfield of Kamara, Ramsey and McGinn. He needs to improve.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Colhint on June 14, 2022, 09:50:20 PM
i think if he had a rest once in a while it would do us all good
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Paul.S on June 20, 2022, 12:42:05 PM
I’d agree regarding his passing but would say the same about most of our midfield.
I just think he’s not been used correctly at all this season. A high energy, attacking midfielder who does most of his best work in the final 3rd. It’s no surprise his goals tally hasn’t been great when he’s been asked to take up a mostly defensive position in midfield. If Gerrard doesn’t want him to play this role then that would be a shame as I see him as a great asset for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 20, 2022, 12:52:02 PM
Rumours via Newsnow (i know  i know) are that there might be some weight behind him falling out with Beale and he is considered a bit of a whinger

https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-mcginn-offers/

I dont necessarily want him to be sold but i do want him to become a squad player and in the side on merit rather than his personality. He has been a cast in stone regular for 3 managers now, mainly i think because we have not had better quality, but i hope we now do going forward.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2022, 12:55:17 PM
We've got McGinn, whinging John McGinn....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 01:10:13 PM
Didn't he let slip towards the end of the season SG had given him a bollocking about his diet and how he needs to improve it and stop eating shit. If memory serves it was a Q&A together with Jacob Ramsey.

As for last season, I think he came back from injury too soon, probably to make sure he didn't miss out on the important international games for Scotland. It did nobody any favours and he only started finding his real form with a few games to go. The frustrating thing is we had for the best part Sanson sitting on the bench who could have done a job but never used.

As Colhint says above, if SJM had a rest once in a while it would do us all good. Oh and not playing him out of position might help too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2022, 01:10:39 PM
We've got McGinn, whinging John McGinn....

.. he just never seems to understand
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 01:26:46 PM
We've got McGinn, whinging John McGinn....

.. he just never seems to understand

..Irn Bru man, he's bigger than a van..
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2022, 01:35:59 PM
We've got McGinn, whinging John McGinn....

.. he just never seems to understand

'Fore he becomes the Michelin Man
We've put him on Jane's Plan
We've got bingeing John McGinn
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 20, 2022, 02:05:42 PM
Would it matter much that he fell out with Beale if Micky's since fucked off to QPR?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 02:55:07 PM
Would it matter much that he fell out with Beale if Micky's since fucked off to QPR?

No, providing he sorts himself out. There's no excuse for a player of his ability, salary, status, I hate the term 'elite' not refueling correctly. No idea if that was behind the reason of him and Beale falling out, it may not be true but he has been told by SG to stop eating junk.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on June 20, 2022, 05:09:20 PM
This whingey whining nonsense is slander, trying to unsettle the lad and push a move to spurs.

I don't believe any of it quite frankly, and 6 different papers are now going to pick it up and run with it.. regurgitating the same crap until either the club or SJM dismiss it.

Modern football, eh? So much fun.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 20, 2022, 05:12:41 PM
i think if he had a rest once in a while it would do us all good

God help us if we ever qualify for Europe then, or have an extended run in a cup or two.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 20, 2022, 05:19:10 PM
Is he really that good?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ads on June 20, 2022, 05:35:30 PM
McGinn himself said he's not played enough football this season and hopes to play more next with Cup runs etc.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 20, 2022, 05:47:44 PM
He's far from the most energetic midfielder we've ever had, yet I don't recall a similar clamour for any of those others to have been given a rest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 20, 2022, 05:51:34 PM
I’d agree regarding his passing but would say the same about most of our midfield.
I just think he’s not been used correctly at all this season. A high energy, attacking midfielder who does most of his best work in the final 3rd. It’s no surprise his goals tally hasn’t been great when he’s been asked to take up a mostly defensive position in midfield. If Gerrard doesn’t want him to play this role then that would be a shame as I see him as a great asset for us.

He hasn't been played in a defensive position though. Whenever we've lined up with a midfield 3, Luiz sits further back, with McGinn and Ramsey playing more advanced roles.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 05:59:16 PM
McGinn himself said he's not played enough football this season and hopes to play more next with Cup runs etc.

Not seen him say he's not played enough football this season and it would be pretty hard for him to have as apart from the games he was out with his injury he hardly missed a game. Was there one game where he was dropped?

I'd certainly like to see him involved in more games next season though his 46 games this season is no bad showing all considered. As the man said himself, “If I had the choice I would be playing more games. If you ask any of the Villa lads, the reason we’re not playing more games is because we haven’t done well as a team, so I want to be involved in finals and want to try and get into Europe.

“The more the merrier for me. If you’re playing all those games it means you’re in the starting team for one and certainly you’ve been successful. Hopefully next season it is not just 46 (games). I hope it’s more than that with semi-finals and finals.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 20, 2022, 08:24:07 PM
McGinn may be on the bench if we ever get into europe, with someone better in the starting line up
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 11:19:56 PM
Bless We Are All Plastic Twats (https://weallfollowunited.com/2022/06/21/manchester-united-man-utd-transfer-aston-villa-john-mcginn-summer/)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2022, 12:45:01 AM
Think only time McGinn was subbed this season was at Newcastle.

He basically plays every minute of every league game he's available for so not sure what he's on about when he's played 10 + games for Scotland aswell.

I think a good barometer of our transfer window is does he go to rotation player next season or will he still play every single minute given we still need another CM so not to heap all pressure on Kamara to hit it off instantly.

Don't think he'll be sold anyway unless we get a ridiculous bid.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on June 21, 2022, 08:10:18 AM
He means he wants us playing deeper into cup competitions and qualifying for Europe, not just settling for league games. The same as us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2022, 09:09:30 AM
Bless We Are All Plastic Twats (https://weallfollowunited.com/2022/06/21/manchester-united-man-utd-transfer-aston-villa-john-mcginn-summer/)

That reads like it was written by a bot that's run out of battery.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2022, 09:12:49 AM
Bless We Are All Plastic Twats (https://weallfollowunited.com/2022/06/21/manchester-united-man-utd-transfer-aston-villa-john-mcginn-summer/)

That reads like it was written by a bot that's run out of battery.

You're not wrong:

"This news would come as a great piece of update for Sir Alex Ferguson,"

"Man United are looking into the market for reinforcements to improve their declined midfield"

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2022, 11:48:04 AM
Anyone offer £30+ and i would rip their hand off - we need to change our MF dynamic
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 11:52:57 AM
You'd have to be mental to sell him for £30. Or even £30 million. Man U paid £76 million for Sancho, £35 million for Van Der Beek, £78 million for Maguire, £53 million for Fred and £50 million for Wan-Bissaka.

They're idiots. If he leaves, bleed them dry. £60 million before we even think about it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2022, 11:54:42 AM
£30m buys you Championship players these days. Not established, respected PL and international midfielders. He is at minimum £45m+ in today’s market.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2022, 12:16:20 PM
£30m is nowhere near enough.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 21, 2022, 12:55:02 PM
Do we think Van Tagg with all his European market experience, has been leeping a close eye on mid table Aston Villas John McGinn all this time. Sane as Conte.
Its all a load of old bollix
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 21, 2022, 01:10:19 PM
Do we think Van Tagg with all his European market experience, has been keeping a close eye on mid table Aston Villas John McGinn all this time. Same as Conte.
Its all a load of old bollix
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 21, 2022, 01:22:18 PM
Do we think Van Tagg with all his European market experience, has been leeping a close eye on mid table Aston Villas John McGinn all this time. Sane as Conte
Its all a load of old bollix

Is that the same Conte who just bought a midfielder from mid table Brighton?

;-)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 01:32:09 PM
I'd expect both to have extensive contacts and be well aware of potential targets from Villa. Top clubs don't only sign players who played for other leading clubs. Look at Liverpool raiding Southampton every few months, for instance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 21, 2022, 01:34:17 PM
Do we think Van Tagg with all his European market experience, has been leeping a close eye on mid table Aston Villas John McGinn all this time. Sane as Conte
Its all a load of old bollix

Is that the same Conte who just bought a midfielder from mid table Brighton?

;-)

Good point and maybe its a case of me not valuing one of our players (though i still really like McGinn).

I just think theres not much going really transfer wise and its just shite talk. Same as Bale coming to us. Absolutely nothing to see here officer
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 21, 2022, 01:55:50 PM
I rate him more than some on here and definitely want him in our squad next season. If Man Utd want players to get them back in the top 4 though, McGinn isn’t the answer, let alone if they want to be challenging for the league.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 02:07:02 PM
Because only the greatest players in the world have ever finished in the top four? Wes Brown won five league titles.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 21, 2022, 02:26:06 PM
McGinn has been going to ManU for the last 4 years if you believe every article.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 21, 2022, 03:08:05 PM
McGinn has been going to ManU for the last 4 years if you believe every article.
Exactly, and it all originated as apparently Ferguson liked his fellow Scot some years ago.
Theres very little going on transfer wise for anyone at the moment and its just creating stories for the sake of it.
Luiz is out of contract, even if we get another midfielder in, theres not a chance of both McGinn and Luiz going and if its between the two it’ll clearly be Luiz
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2022, 03:28:43 PM
Luiz has a year left on his contract.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 21, 2022, 03:36:21 PM
Because only the greatest players in the world have ever finished in the top four? Wes Brown won five league titles.

And he came through their youth system and was mainly a back up player to better players. Do you think that Man Utd would be wise to shell out £40 - £50m on McGinn in the expectation that he'll propel them into the top 4 and maybe beyond then?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 04:16:47 PM
I think he would be a shrewd signing at that price, compared to the money they have spent in the last few years. Anyone who thinks McGinn is worth half a Maguire is at it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2022, 04:21:35 PM
I think he would be a shrewd signing at that price, compared to the money they have spent in the last few years. Anyone who thinks McGinn is worth half a Maguire is at it.

He's worth twice Maguire. If you've ever watched that donkey play
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on June 24, 2022, 09:35:56 AM
An interesting analysis of McGinn;

https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 24, 2022, 10:21:49 AM
An interesting analysis of McGinn;

https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa)

Interesting. Or at least it would be, if I could only understand a fraction of it!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: mike on June 24, 2022, 10:41:41 AM
An interesting analysis of McGinn;

https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa)

Interesting. Or at least it would be, if I could only understand a fraction of it!

I wonder what Steve Bruce makes of stats like this. Not a word about sleeves being rolled up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
An interesting analysis of McGinn;

https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa)
So, basically what we've been saying here all of last season - play him further up the pitch!
It does, clearly, indicate the selection challenge DG has: whether to play McGinn or Ramsey; or whether to keep Luiz.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2022, 11:31:19 AM
An interesting analysis of McGinn;

https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa)
So, basically what we've been saying here all of last season - play him further up the pitch!
It does, clearly, indicate the selection challenge DG has: whether to play McGinn or Ramsey; or whether to keep Luiz.

I think you can easily carry 3 players for those 2 positions (and then have a 4th choice who is clearly squad cover). We really need to starting thinking about a 20 man match day squad more than a first 11, most games we're going to see 16 players get time on the pitch so you want at least that many that you'd be happy to see starting.

On the basis that we play 41221 or 41212 (the 2 shapes we've mostly used under Gerrard) you want a bench with a keeper, centre half, DM, CM, AM and striker who wouldn't look out of place starting as the minimum squad. Right now I think we're pretty close to that but we'd probably want a 3rd striker (if Archer isn't considered ready) and I'm not sure about Nakamba as the cover if Kamara is out for any length of time. After that a few useful squad players and the youth team covers most gaps so we only need to find where we're really short on cover for any signings after the 1-2 mentioned (maybe full backs and a 4th CM option if I'm greedy).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 24, 2022, 01:50:35 PM
Does anyone seriously think that SG will leave him out?
I can't remember a game over last couple of seasons where he has been MOTM or left out or hooked unless injured or suspended.
I have nothing against him per se but I do consider his immovability from starting XI is causing our midfield to be imbalanced in every game.
To succeed I feel he needs to be benched so we can utilise the midfield staff we have to better effect.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Paul.S on July 24, 2022, 08:49:52 PM
McGinn is not a defensive midfielder and is not a ball player. He’s at his best when he’s got the licence to fly forward. Last season he was the victim of the turmoil when Grealish left and then Deano. If he’s played in his best position then he’ll be a huge asset for us again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2022, 09:20:58 PM
McGinn is not a defensive midfielder and is not a ball player. He’s at his best when he’s got the licence to fly forward. Last season he was the victim of the turmoil when Grealish left and then Deano. If he’s played in his best position then he’ll be a huge asset for us again.

He's never been a huge asset for us going forwards. 3 goals a season is his lot, every year in the Premier league.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 24, 2022, 09:37:12 PM
I wouldnt be shocked to see a surprise on the first day of the season, but think its more likely to be Mings benched for Chambers. I really can’t see both Mings and McGinn dropped straight away.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 24, 2022, 11:08:17 PM
I wouldnt be shocked to see a surprise on the first day of the season, but think its more likely to be Mings benched for Chambers. I really can’t see both Mings and McGinn dropped straight away.

I’ve thought for a while (can’t mind if I’ve posted it) that I wouldn’t mind selling either of them, or Ollie, but I think it might be too much change for one summer. Plus I suspect they are leaders within the squad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2022, 12:54:52 PM
After Emi (GK) i bet his name is first on team sheet every week - and that is just not right with the mixture of midfielders / attackers we have now.

He simply is not good or consistent enough to warrant a guaranteed 1st team starting spot. Maybe a spot of bench time might get him back to the levels he once was
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: usav on July 26, 2022, 01:04:58 PM
After Emi (GK) i bet his name is first on team sheet every week - and that is just not right with the mixture of midfielders / attackers we have now.

He simply is not good or consistent enough to warrant a guaranteed 1st team starting spot. Maybe a spot of bench time might get him back to the levels he once was

Agree with the second part, hope you are wrong on the first.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on July 27, 2022, 05:02:31 PM
Announced as captain. From a seniority perspective makes some sense, but I'd expect  hope his position to be under threat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2022, 05:04:00 PM
Captain Mediocre to the rescue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on July 27, 2022, 05:04:10 PM
Congrats Meatball, a worthy appointment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on July 27, 2022, 05:05:05 PM
I do like him, he's a great character, but he absolutely should not have a guaranteed starting spot, particularly if we are looking at bringing in another top class midfielder.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:05:48 PM
Announced as captain. From a seniority perspective makes some sense, but I'd expect  hope his position to be under threat.
I did not expect to see that.   Think that confirms the two formations we will play are:  4-3-2-1 and 4-3-1-2

Cant see McGinn working in a 4-2-3-1, as he cant keep the ball for shit

Think Emi would be a better choice - as risk this shows you can under perform for large chunks of the season and its fine.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdward on July 27, 2022, 05:06:19 PM
Martinez is vice captain, Ashley Young is club captain.
Wonder what this means for Mings?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:08:08 PM
Martinez is vice captain, Ashley Young is club captain.
Wonder what this means for Mings?
Club Captain is a load of b*ll*cks in my opinion
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:09:41 PM
I do like him a lot, but this have given me a sinking feeling
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 27, 2022, 05:11:54 PM
actually slightly disappointed by this. Mcginn has served us brilliantly, is clearly a popular and senior member of the squad but is not, in my opinion, the future long-term. To be honest, of all the tenured senior players, i'd probably only suggest Emi fits the bill.
Looking at the statement, I wonder whether Gerrard thinks it will help Mings and being captain was a distraction on the pitch for him.... (not sure I buy it though)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SaddVillan on July 27, 2022, 05:12:39 PM
Undroppable?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2022, 05:14:34 PM
Bit of a 'fuck you' to Mings. Not even vice captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2022, 05:15:01 PM
I think it will propel him to be better. Good for him. And a very classy message by Tyrone.

https://twitter.com/tyronemings/status/1552323972628447239?s=21&t=h5sFtB4veJ1C3-djDTtR9Q
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: bilsim on July 27, 2022, 05:15:54 PM
Hmm. Not thrilled about this as it suggests little will change from last year with McGinn being in a no-mans land between defence and attack. Hope I'm wrong but starting to feel a little anxious about this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 27, 2022, 05:16:02 PM
Think this may be the relevant part of the statement regards Ty,
“Naturally, I have had to have a discussion with Tyrone Mings and have explained my reasons for making this decision. More importantly, I believe that not having the responsibility of the captaincy will allow Tyrone to focus more on his own game which can only benefit him and the team.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Paul.S on July 27, 2022, 05:19:42 PM
Just because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:20:25 PM
I think this is a mistake. 

I dont have an issue with him being captain for a game, I think he is a good player, but McGinn doesnt suit the way SG has had us playing. 

We have enough issue trying to balance the midfield as is, and now making him pretty much undroppable worries me

It convinces me we aren't getting in another midfielder now.
 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villan For Life on July 27, 2022, 05:21:08 PM
So classy from Mings, he’s a remarkable guy
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:21:37 PM
Hmm. Not thrilled about this as it suggests little will change from last year with McGinn being in a no-mans land between defence and attack. Hope I'm wrong but starting to feel a little anxious about this season.
Yeah
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2022, 05:24:40 PM
Just because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.

I can't think of many teams where the captain isn't a guaranteed starter. Why would you make them captain if they weren't?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Paul.S on July 27, 2022, 05:27:23 PM
If he’s performing then fine, but there’s no way he stays in the team if he’s not. He may start the season in the first 11 but Gerrard won’t keep him there if he isn’t doing it. That goes for anyone and the armband doesn’t make anyone immune ffrom having to perform.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:28:00 PM
Just because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.

I can't think of many teams where the captain isn't a guaranteed starter. Why would you make them captain if they weren't?
I think when he DS dropped Mings, we all knew the writing was on the wall.  And as McGinn wasnt dropped when he was poor for large parts of last season, I cant see him being dropped now
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: usav on July 27, 2022, 05:32:18 PM
Good that Mings can now be dropped.  Bad because I wanted a midfield of Kamara/Ramsay/Luiz.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Paul.S on July 27, 2022, 05:32:32 PM
Midfield is still a weak point for me and we need another in there. Someone said earlier they see this as a sign we won’t get another in, I hope not. Last season, a lack of competition meant a few kept their places when out of form but as we build this won’t be the case. McGinn will still have to step up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 27, 2022, 05:34:35 PM
I do like McGinn but thought with the players we have in the middle and possibly adding to it his position might have been under threat, obviously not now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nev on July 27, 2022, 05:35:49 PM
McGinn struggled when he had a weak No6 behind him, as did the whole midfield. He is a better player than recent form suggests and needs to be 30 yards further forward. Play Doug there and we will struggle, that was obvious throughout last season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 27, 2022, 05:37:00 PM
McGinn's stats are pretty damn good though, regardless of what people may feel they see.

From one-versus-one

He has scored 3 times after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. This makes him the number 102 scorer in the Premier League so far. His conversion rate for shots to goals is 37.

John McGinn has 4 assists after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. With these statistics he ranks number 41 in the Premier League. He also has a total of 26 chances created. With these statistics he ranks number 36 in the Premier League.

In season 2021/2022. He has won 57 aerial duels and 176 tackles. On top of this he made a total of 14 blocks. Based on these statistics after match day 38 he ranks on number 2 in the Premier League.

He is a Midfielder - Right central in Aston Villa. Within his team of Aston Villa he is currently ranked 1 best player of his team based on our 1vs1 Index Aston Villa.

Also.... McGinn won more tackles than any other Premier League player last season and won more fouls than anyone else bar Zaha. He was the 20th biggest threat going forwards too.

In summary he's an all-round player with a great attitude.

Part of the reason Mings lost it in my view is that he was top of the Yellow Card list last season (and his partner Konsa top of the Red Card list.)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on July 27, 2022, 05:41:11 PM
Very strange decision for me. Kind of adds to the suspicion that McGinn is undroppable in Gerrard's eyes despite never really doing it consistently in the top division. General consensus on here, which I agree with, is that McGinn shouldn't be an automatic first pick this season if we are to progress.

No matter what spin Mings puts on it, it certainly is a blow for him. I never really thought being captain put him out too much, whenever he concentrated on the basics he was fine. Not trying to be Maldini and losing the ball in contact. Communicated well on the pitch and certainly a role model off it.

If it's a football decision and ultimately Gerrard wants centre halves better able to bring the ball out from the back then fair enough, that's not Mings strength and his time with us could be up quite quickly if Carlos is seen as ready. But ball retention has never been the friend of McGinn either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdward on July 27, 2022, 05:41:43 PM
Just because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.

I can't think of many teams where the captain isn't a guaranteed starter. Why would you make them captain if they weren't?
Maybe the real point is that SG can drop/rotate Mings a lot more now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2022, 05:44:20 PM
Seems a pointless and unnecessary snub to Mings for me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2022, 05:44:36 PM
My worry is that signals that we are going to set up as last season with SJM in no mans land and Mings and Watkins up front.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2022, 05:45:13 PM
Well done SJM. Feel sorry for Mings, though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:47:57 PM
My worry is that signals that we are going to set up as last season with SJM in no mans land and Mings and Watkins up front.
Or worse, Ings and Watkins

This is whats giving me the sinking feeling - that this season will just be a re-run of last one

McGinn is a good player - if used right - I dont think that the way that SG wants his team to play suits his strengths.  Having Kamara may help, but to me he is SGM is worse than Luiz and Ramsey
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 27, 2022, 05:48:37 PM
I think we can take Gerrard's explanation at face value. We all know Mings is a fine defender but that his problem, such as it is, is maintaining full concentration for 90 minutes. I genuinely think the manager sees this as removing a distraction.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: usav on July 27, 2022, 05:51:00 PM
Seems a pointless and unnecessary snub to Mings for me.

Or it shows that this is Gerrard's team and nobody's place is guaranteed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:55:29 PM
I can't see on any measure how John McGinns place should be any more guarenteed than Mings

Both have been great for us - but evidence to suggest that both have a) hit theirs ceiling, b) dont suit SG style of play

Promised myself I wouldnt get worked up by shit like this, this season - so will try and stop now and give SG the benefit of my doubt (which I am sure he'll be pleased with)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Matt C on July 27, 2022, 05:56:34 PM
I think we can take Gerrard's explanation at face value. We all know Mings is a fine defender but that his problem, such as it is, is maintaining full concentration for 90 minutes. I genuinely think the manager sees this as removing a distraction.

That’s my take too. Help Mings become a better defender.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 27, 2022, 05:59:38 PM
Just because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.

This is true. I’ll add,  Mings will behave like a captain in any case just like when Grealish was captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 27, 2022, 05:59:57 PM
Feel sorry for Tyrone - He's a great ambassador for the club and one of the few footballing role models that you'd feel comfortable your kids looking up to. Perfect captain material in my view.

As for the McGinn decision - It sends alarm bells that he'll be playing week in, week out, when he shouldn't even be first choice imo. Sanson, Kamara and Buendia should be our midfield 3.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2022, 06:01:08 PM
Sanson? On the basis of what?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2022, 06:01:40 PM
I don't think Mings was great Captain material, not vocal enough and too accepting of referees going against us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2022, 06:16:29 PM
First time I've seen Mings labelled as not being vocal enough. When there were no crowds, all I could hear was him shouting at players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 27, 2022, 06:17:30 PM
I don't think Mings was great Captain material, not vocal enough and too accepting of referees going against us.

Not vocal enough…without him we’re virtually a team of mutes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on July 27, 2022, 06:19:46 PM
I can see Gerard's reasoning but still a bit of a surprise, hopefully being captain will improve SJM's game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 06:20:58 PM
I would say Mings never hide, I think we lack leaders and he was one of the few that never gave up (though not saying he always concentrated).

I was expecting us to get in another player who would become captain. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on July 27, 2022, 06:21:50 PM
I think its a decent decision and it will allow Mings to focus on his game instead of all the extra curriculars that come with being captain
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 27, 2022, 06:22:01 PM
I can see Gerard's reasoning but still a bit of a surprise, hopefully being captain will improve SJM's game.
Having Kamara behind will improve SJM's game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on July 27, 2022, 06:25:12 PM
I don't think Mings was great Captain material, not vocal enough and too accepting of referees going against us.

Not vocal enough, really?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2022, 06:25:23 PM
Arguably McGinn's best game last season was away at Palace when he had Nakamba doing the defensive work and was allowed to get forward.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 06:28:51 PM
I don't think Mings was great Captain material, not vocal enough and too accepting of referees going against us.

Not vocal enough, really?

Yeah, bit odd really. He's very vocal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 06:32:53 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young. Pleased for McGinn though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: jwarry on July 27, 2022, 06:35:05 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young. Pleased for McGinn though.

Or maybe Gerrard doesn’t think he should be a regular starter?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 27, 2022, 06:36:02 PM
I can see Gerard's reasoning but still a bit of a surprise, hopefully being captain will improve SJM's game.

Apparently being captain has the opposite effect.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: pelty on July 27, 2022, 06:36:06 PM
Apologies in advance for my ignorance, but what does the Club Captain role filled by Young do exactly?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2022, 06:36:50 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young.

Club captain tends to be the older, wiser professional though. It would also have probably been seen as a bit of a token effort to give him that after taking the captaincy off him, like being made hall monitor after being head boy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 06:37:46 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young. Pleased for McGinn though.

Or maybe Gerrard doesn’t think he should be a regular starter?

It does look that way possibly but we'll see. If it improves his game then fair enough.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on July 27, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Apologies in advance for my ignorance, but what does the Club Captain role filled by Young do exactly?

It appears to be pretty much a ceremonial role given to the most experienced bloke who isn't rocking the boat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 06:39:28 PM
Apologies in advance for my ignorance, but what does the Club Captain role filled by Young do exactly?

It appears to be pretty much a ceremonial role given to the most experienced bloke who isn't rocking the boat.
Its like the Father of House of Commons
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 06:40:03 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young.

Club captain tends to be the older, wiser professional though. It would would have probably been seen as a bit of a token effort to give him that after taking the captaincy off him, like being made hall monitor after being head boy.

I suppose and it's a role he could always move into once Young retires, if he's still here that is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: London Villan on July 27, 2022, 06:42:42 PM
Surprised by this, as i dont know if SJM will even be a regular starter, unless Gerrard has a new formation up his sleeve that works.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flin5tone on July 27, 2022, 06:51:30 PM
Absolutely baffled by this decision? Was expecting him to be a substitute next season to be honest.....VERY worrying
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 27, 2022, 06:54:30 PM
Surprised by this, as i dont know if SJM will even be a regular starter, unless Gerrard has a new formation up his sleeve that works.

That’s the thing, he is captain now so will start every game if available.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2022, 06:54:33 PM
I’ll join you in being baffled.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 27, 2022, 06:55:17 PM
Seems a pointless and unnecessary snub to Mings for me.

Or it shows that this is Gerrard's team and nobody's place is guaranteed.

Unless you are named John McGinn.  I really think this is a terrible decision and could have team repercussions as it firmly endorses his role as being undroppable
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: usav on July 27, 2022, 06:56:32 PM
Absolutely baffled by this decision? Was expecting him to be a substitute next season to be honest.....VERY worrying

It is baffling, not sure about VERY worrying.

Logically, if he had already made his mind up about Mings, who else was he going to pick?  Neither Ings or Watkins, as both will be interchangeable/droppable.  Coutinho - not the right character.  Buendia - still establishing himself.  Ramsay - too young.  Kamara - too new.  Digne - too French (joke).  Cash - about the only other person I could think of, but doesn't seem vocal enough. 

I can only think McGinn was his only choice and that he won't be afraid to drop him, much in the same way he wasn't afraid to take the captaincy from Mings.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on July 27, 2022, 06:57:29 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young.

Club captain tends to be the older, wiser professional though. It would also have probably been seen as a bit of a token effort to give him that after taking the captaincy off him, like being made hall monitor after being head boy.

Yes, team captain is a role for during a game but club captain has a responsibility across the whole squad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 07:01:57 PM
I'm not baffled by it,  I can see why he's done it. Maybe he sees a bit of McGinn in himself and having been a midfield playing captain for Liverpool, maybe he thinks it's what works best. Having said that, I haven't got a clue who his captain was at Rangers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 27, 2022, 07:02:45 PM
Seems a pointless and unnecessary snub to Mings for me.

Or it shows that this is Gerrard's team and nobody's place is guaranteed.

Unless you are named John McGinn.  I really think this is a terrible decision and could have team repercussions as it firmly endorses his role as being undroppable

Philippe Coutinho says hello, as does Ollie Watkins.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2022, 07:08:17 PM
His level is going to have to go up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
I’m happy with the choice, it could be good for McGinn. Must have been tough for Mings as he’s been a fantastic skipper for us and he’s been a favourite of mine for some years now. Although I do worry if we kick on like I hope, we will need an upgrade on him. He does worry me at times when we play it out of the back so often now. I have the same worry with Konsa. Chambers looks far more assured on the ball than those two.

I also still have faith that McGinn will get back to a more consistent force for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Flin5tone on July 27, 2022, 07:10:32 PM
Absolutely baffled by this decision? Was expecting him to be a substitute next season to be honest.....VERY worrying

It is baffling, not sure about VERY worrying.

Logically, if he had already made his mind up about Mings, who else was he going to pick?  Neither Ings or Watkins, as both will be interchangeable/droppable.  Coutinho - not the right character.  Buendia - still establishing himself.  Ramsay - too young.  Kamara - too new.  Digne - too French (joke).  Cash - about the only other person I could think of, but doesn't seem vocal enough. 

I can only think McGinn was his only choice and that he won't be afraid to drop him, much in the same way he wasn't afraid to take the captaincy from Mings.


You've said it all , we don't have enough true leaders , if anyone thinks things are going to improve next season then they're in for a shock , mcginn will be undropable and we struggle for goals plus a few unhappy players in the camp.

I would have just given Martinez the captaincy, if vice needed then choose on the day with A.Young given the Club Captain role

I'm fuming
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: BC Villain on July 27, 2022, 07:15:12 PM
Just because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.

This is true. I’ll add,  Mings will behave like a captain in any case just like when Grealish was captain.

By breaking lockdown regulations and getting pissed behind the wheel?  I hope not
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 27, 2022, 07:16:53 PM
Haha only just seen this news as I've been busy today.
Don't get me wrong McGinn's a good character and very funny, but captain material? I'd suggest our manager has sat out in the heatwave far too long, but he was pondering this with 5-10 games remaining last season. No wonder our form suffered and we couldn't win against anybody in the top 8!
In all the time I've watched McGinn I've never seen him take charge of any situation  on the pitch, as a captain might. He may yet surprise me!
As regards Mings, a class statement, one you'd expect a proper captain to make.
We've got captain McGinn, super captain McGinn...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 07:17:53 PM
I'm fuming

Isn't that just your default mode though?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on July 27, 2022, 07:22:53 PM
Martinez is vice captain, Ashley Young is club captain.
Wonder what this means for Mings?

Martinez being vice-captain gives gerrard scope to drop McGinn. I think he likes having an outfield player as his captain, but we literally have no one who you could say is a guaranteed starter who is also captain material. I would imagine we’ll see Martinez as the on field captain a reasonable amount this season… it takes away all the uncertainty when meatball isn’t on the pitch, because barring injury, Emi definitely will be…
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Smithy on July 27, 2022, 07:24:56 PM
I'm fuming

Isn't that just your default mode though?

😂 Triple F. Fumin’ Fred
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 07:27:14 PM
Martinez is vice captain, Ashley Young is club captain.
Wonder what this means for Mings?

Martinez being vice-captain gives gerrard scope to drop McGinn. I think he likes having an outfield player as his captain, but we literally have no one who you could say is a guaranteed starter who is also captain material. I would imagine we’ll see Martinez as the on field captain a reasonable amount this season… it takes away all the uncertainty when meatball isn’t on the pitch, because barring injury, Emi definitely will be…
Not convinced by that - if you want Martinez as captain, you make him captain.  McGinn, barring injury or things going to sh*t will start at least 35 games next season
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2022, 07:28:14 PM
Great...Sanson definitely off then...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 27, 2022, 07:33:08 PM
Absolutely baffled by this decision? Was expecting him to be a substitute next season to be honest.....VERY worrying

It is baffling, not sure about VERY worrying.

Logically, if he had already made his mind up about Mings, who else was he going to pick?  Neither Ings or Watkins, as both will be interchangeable/droppable.  Coutinho - not the right character.  Buendia - still establishing himself.  Ramsay - too young.  Kamara - too new.  Digne - too French (joke).  Cash - about the only other person I could think of, but doesn't seem vocal enough. 

I can only think McGinn was his only choice and that he won't be afraid to drop him, much in the same way he wasn't afraid to take the captaincy from Mings.


You've said it all , we don't have enough true leaders , if anyone thinks things are going to improve next season then they're in for a shock , mcginn will be undropable and we struggle for goals plus a few unhappy players in the camp.

I would have just given Martinez the captaincy, if vice needed then choose on the day with A.Young given the Club Captain role

I'm fuming

U ok Hun? Sorry Branch?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2022, 07:40:02 PM
I'm fuming

Isn't that just your default mode though?

It’s a disgrace Dave, absolute disgrace.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: colin69 on July 27, 2022, 07:44:40 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2022, 07:51:48 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2022, 07:55:22 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?

I thought he had a terrible season, not the only one. Unless he improves dramatically, I think he will be replaced.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 27, 2022, 07:55:45 PM
My worry is that signals that we are going to set up as last season with SJM in no mans land and Mings and Watkins up front.
Or worse, Ings and Watkins

This is whats giving me the sinking feeling - that this season will just be a re-run of last one

McGinn is a good player - if used right - I dont think that the way that SG wants his team to play suits his strengths.  Having Kamara may help, but to me he is SGM is worse than Luiz and Ramsey

I think your over thinking the impact this will have on the whole season. There are far too many unknowables at the moment, what the first day team will be, although easier to guess now, will the new players settle, will Coutinhio pull up trees…or not, will Bailey been like a new player etc etc. i dont think it sensible to start worrying what the whole season will be because McGinn is a favourite of the manager.

I do think an earlier poster had called this in thats its probably just as much about Mings not having an automatic place in the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2022, 08:00:01 PM
In relation to Mings,  he wasn’t shit at all. However, I reckon we’d accept a decent offer and wonder if this is a come and get him ploy. I’m not sure of this decision to be honest. McGinn gives the ball away too much and needs a big season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: boozey182 on July 27, 2022, 08:01:32 PM
I can see the logic here.

McGinn is a well-liked and established member of the squad. I don't think that him being captain makes him undroppable, but it does suggest that he is going to be in the team to start the season. As a team, we looked at our best last season when we were pressing high up the pitch - for that you need tenacity and energy which McGinn has in abundance. He hasn't been good enough in possession recently, but I think he has been playing too deep - we need him to be making runs in the opposition half - getting in behind the opposition. Not receiving it on the halfway line with 10 players between him and the goal. We forget that in our first season up, McGinn was our most prominent goal threat before he got injured (which is when our form really nose-dived). He was at his best popping up in the box - that's what we need to get him doing again.

His energy and willingness to run should complement the subtlety of Buendia and Coutinho. He should be running to create space and options for them, and to support whoever is playing upfront. I would imagine that is the thinking behind his inclusion in the team.

Kamara will barely cross the halfway line. He'll sit in and spray the ball about, leaving the rest of the midfield to buzz around - finding space and forcing the opposition onto the back foot. That's what McGinn's job will be, which is slightly different to what he had to do last season - often finding himself covering for the full backs which was a ludicrous tactic.

As for Tyrone, I can see the sense there too. I think he always tried to do too much - taking more responsibility than he should have. Hopefully this will ease the burden on him and he can focus on just doing what needs to be done. He seems to have taken it very well, which is no less than I would expect from him. Captain or not, he's a credit to the club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: colin69 on July 27, 2022, 08:10:45 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?
Who said he was shit?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 27, 2022, 08:16:24 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.

I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.

Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2022, 08:20:39 PM
I agree that Mings needs to concentrate on and thereby improve his own game, but then I think that about McGinn as well to be honest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on July 27, 2022, 08:23:12 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.

I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.

Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.

If he was upsetting the Tories it would be an argument for keeping him as captain. However, I don’t believe it’s an issue at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 27, 2022, 08:29:14 PM
Everyone will have a viewpoint.  I just think it could be McGinn who may struggle to cement a place in the starting 11 and he gets booked far too much (okay that's his game I know) and will have time outs .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2022, 08:30:44 PM
time for McGinn to step it up - hasn't really kicked on since the Championship. Big season needed. No excuses anymore.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: AGRIPPA on July 27, 2022, 08:31:12 PM
To all those saying that McGinn will now play further up the pitch with the addition on Kamara….this again leaves a massive gap between the defence (and Kamara) and the forwards and all our attacking midfielders……really struggling to see the logic in all of this…
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2022, 08:32:17 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.

I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.

Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.

I honestly think Mings will push to leave if he's on bench for early games. I imagine after today's decision he now knows which way the wind is blowing on team selection.

He's still fighting to make world cup squad and won't be doing that stuck on our bench.

Not sure how long is left on his deal but could be a deadline day departure now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: boozey182 on July 27, 2022, 08:40:53 PM
To all those saying that McGinn will now play further up the pitch with the addition on Kamara….this again leaves a massive gap between the defence (and Kamara) and the forwards and all our attacking midfielders……really struggling to see the logic in all of this…

From the few pre-season games that I've seen, it's almost looked like we've played a 5-5 formation out of possession. Pressing with the front three and two midfielders, and if the opposition beat that, there are five players back to halt the progress while the others get back. I'm not saying that's how I want us to play, but I think McGinn is going to be integral in pressing the opposition further up the pitch next season.

When we have possession, we have three at the back - Kamara and the two CB's. Not seen enough to work out precisely what the plan is, but it involves the full backs bombing on. The others presumably have some instructions as well, but I'll be damned if I can work out what they are...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2022, 08:43:44 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?
Who said he was shit?

I thought you did?

I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


Or did you mean Shit hot?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 27, 2022, 08:44:59 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.

I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.

Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.

Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 27, 2022, 08:45:04 PM
Class from Mings. I hope he stays and fights for his place, that's what we need.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2022, 08:45:44 PM
To all those saying that McGinn will now play further up the pitch with the addition on Kamara….this again leaves a massive gap between the defence (and Kamara) and the forwards and all our attacking midfielders……really struggling to see the logic in all of this…

Kamara-Luiz-McGinn seems logical in theory.

However how on earth are we going to keep all the final third players happy as we're overloaded in those areas now. Just playing a few of them in league cup v likes of Barrow isn't going to be enough.

Ramsey should also be starting over McGinn anyway as he's younger, bigger goal threat, links up much better with Coutinho and well is just better than SJM these days.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 27, 2022, 08:49:13 PM
Kamara - Ramsay - McGinn for me
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Goldenballs on July 27, 2022, 09:03:15 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.

I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.

Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.

Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
Agree with this, the country would be in a much better place with more people like Mings, and fewer idiots moaning about foreigners whilst dribbling into the Sun newspaper.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 09:07:01 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.

I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.

Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.

Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
Agreed - always very proud to have him as a Villa player and Captain.  Think hes our most natural leader, and just a great (and ridclously handsome) human being .  Hopefully he'll still lead and be vocal, and Mcginn finds an extra gear like Grealish did as captain. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 27, 2022, 09:17:07 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.

I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.

Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.

Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
Agree with this, the country would be in a much better place with more people like Mings, and fewer idiots moaning about foreigners whilst dribbling into the Sun newspaper.

Well said 100% spot on
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PhilVill on July 27, 2022, 09:18:08 PM
'Ultra right wing' tory party?!? Jesus, how times and brains have changed. Its probably the most centre left the tories have ever been. I did a politics degree in late 80's and early 90's, now that was when the tories were right wing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: colin69 on July 27, 2022, 09:19:14 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?
Who said he was shit?

I thought you did?

I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


Or did you mean Shit hot?
No I said he’s been shit on, (by SG). I am a big fan of Mings and don’t think he should have had the armband taken off him.
Looks to me like SG clearly doesn’t rate him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: CT Villan on July 27, 2022, 09:27:14 PM
SJM has captained Scotland in Robertson's absence so there's obviously more admirers than just SG, though I do find it a bit odd that Mings plays no part at all. Suggests to me that Diego Carlos is here to replace him not play alongside him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Olof's Beard on July 27, 2022, 09:33:19 PM
If you're looking for the obvious leader in the squad, it's Tyrone. Whatever you think of his playing ability, he has every attribute you'd want from a Captain both on and off the pitch. When we were on the Championship, I sat on the front row near the Holte vs Millwall at home and Mings didn't shut up the whole game. He's vocal, utterly professional and eloquent when he speaks.

It does seem like an unnecessary kick in the teeth to me, he's done very little wrong yet being dropped by England and now very publicly stripped of the Villa captaincy.  I'd say it's very likely that Chambers will partner Carlos at the back vs Bournemouth now. Mings and Konsa have been a great partnership for us for the most part. Football moves quickly sometimes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on July 27, 2022, 09:36:37 PM
Thumbs up from me
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 09:42:28 PM
If you're looking for the obvious leader in the squad, it's Tyrone. Whatever you think of his playing ability, he has every attribute you'd want from a Captain both on and off the pitch. When we were on the Championship, I sat on the front row near the Holte vs Millwall at home and Mings didn't shut up the whole game. He's vocal, utterly professional and eloquent when he speaks.

It does seem like an unnecessary kick in the teeth to me, he's done very little wrong yet being dropped by England and now very publicly stripped of the Villa captaincy.  I'd say it's very likely that Chambers will partner Carlos at the back vs Bournemouth now. Mings and Konsa have been a great partnership for us for the most part. Football moves quickly sometimes.
Yeah - I think Mings and Konsa have struggled from having a disfunctional midfield ahead of them.  Both are poor on the ball, but very good defensively.

I cant understand how McGinn has done less wrong, they seem very similar to me in terms of ability and mistakes but Mings seems a much more natural leader.  Dont think either suit the way SG wants to play tbh.   

For me its less about Mings or McGinn and more that it signals what SG has taken from his time in charge. 

I think its the wrong call, but it is what it is.  Wasnt convinced when Grealish was made captain, but it was the right call - so well see.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2022, 09:43:49 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?
Who said he was shit?

I thought you did?

I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


Or did you mean Shit hot?
No I said he’s been shit on, (by SG). I am a big fan of Mings and don’t think he should have had the armband taken off him.
Looks to me like SG clearly doesn’t rate him.

Sorry Colin, I get you now.

I just think with the way we play, actually how most teams play out from the back, you need defenders more comfortable on the ball and Chambers and Carlos may fit that role much better than Mings.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 09:46:34 PM
Don't think it'll really change Mings' game much, but might bring something more out of McGinn.

It might be a great decision, I can't see a scenario where we're looking back on it as a terrible one.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Gareth on July 27, 2022, 10:18:03 PM
I don’t think there was an obvious captain, the only 5 you’d say were pretty much nailed onto play are Martinez, Cash, Digne, Carlos & Kamara - 2 are new, full backs need to concentrate on bombing up and down the line & never convinced keepers make great captains.

Not sure being captain makes you undroppable…hopefully it makes him step up his levels & likewise the lack of captaincy let’s Mings concentrate more.

Not a meltdown decision for me…just a fairly logical one
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Richard on July 27, 2022, 10:25:28 PM
Gareth hits nail on head, some of the comments on here are borderline hysterical especially from chief troll Fred.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2022, 10:30:54 PM
'Ultra right wing' tory party?!? Jesus, how times and brains have changed. Its probably the most centre left the tories have ever been. I did a politics degree in late 80's and early 90's, now that was when the tories were right wing.

Fucking hell. Did you go to the University of Fulchester?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 27, 2022, 10:42:19 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.

I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.

Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.

Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.

To call the Tory party 'ultra right wing' is patently absurd. In their current incarnation they are centre left.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2022, 10:44:45 PM
Are they fuck.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 10:59:12 PM
While I'm quite happy to see furious anger directed at any Tory ideology, there are sections of the forum more appropriate for it than the John McGinn thread.

If you'd all be so kind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on July 27, 2022, 11:04:47 PM
'I'm getting bored of all the back and forth on the politics threads,' I think. 'I'll check out Heroes Discussion and read about Tyrone and Meatball, that'll be nice and wholesome,' I think.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 27, 2022, 11:11:12 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.

I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.

Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.

Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.

To call the Tory party 'ultra right wing' is patently absurd. In their current incarnation they are centre left.

You may not think they are ultra right wing but to suggest they are centre left is frankly ridiculous.

Edit: Sorry Dave, I should have read on first. I'll zip it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on July 27, 2022, 11:39:47 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?

I thought he had a terrible season, not the only one. Unless he improves dramatically, I think he will be replaced.

Have never been a huge fan of Mings as a player (his unease on his right side is the cause of most of his errors) but thought he was solid in the main last season (his best by far for us in the top division). Smith made a ridiculous decision to drop him at a crucial time. Id always have rated Konsa a better defender but he had a horrible run of form towards the end of the season. Mings wasnt brilliant but solid in the main in a team of very inconsistent players throughout. Arguably the biggest underperformer from all the consistent starters was McGinn.

Very strange logic from Gerrard. I dont think McGinn is good enough frankly to play in a midfield three, passing is rubbish from deep and again very weak turning onto his right side facing our goal. Technically, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson are all better footballers but McGinn does have a bit more bite about him than those three.

Id like to see him further up the pitch like for Scotland ideally but we already have Coutinho and Buendia getting in each other's way and also trying to fit a mix of Bailey, Ings, Watkins into a cohesive unit. Muddled.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 28, 2022, 12:25:39 AM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?

I thought he had a terrible season, not the only one. Unless he improves dramatically, I think he will be replaced.

Have never been a huge fan of Mings as a player (his unease on his right side is the cause of most of his errors) but thought he was solid in the main last season (his best by far for us in the top division). Smith made a ridiculous decision to drop him at a crucial time. Id always have rated Konsa a better defender but he had a horrible run of form towards the end of the season. Mings wasnt brilliant but solid in the main in a team of very inconsistent players throughout. Arguably the biggest underperformer from all the consistent starters was McGinn.

Very strange logic from Gerrard. I dont think McGinn is good enough frankly to play in a midfield three, passing is rubbish from deep and again very weak turning onto his right side facing our goal. Technically, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson are all better footballers but McGinn does have a bit more bite about him than those three.

Id like to see him further up the pitch like for Scotland ideally but we already have Coutinho and Buendia getting in each other's way and also trying to fit a mix of Bailey, Ings, Watkins into a cohesive unit. Muddled.
Good summary and reasoning
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on July 28, 2022, 01:04:07 AM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.


He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.

I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.

Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.

Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.

To call the Tory party 'ultra right wing' is patently absurd. In their current incarnation they are centre left.

Centre left? Have you borrowed Richard Pryor's crack?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 28, 2022, 02:00:19 AM
I am still of the opinion that if things go to plan, Gerrard will be looking at an upgrade in terms of McGinn in 12 months time.  A bit of a Ron Saunders appointment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ROBBO on July 28, 2022, 02:06:23 AM
I'ts puzzling to me, on last seasons form i would have expected that his place in the starting line up would have been very much in doubt.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on July 28, 2022, 02:27:53 AM
On the evidence of the matches in Australia I'd have said he's a problem, mostly because he is so one-footed. The play slows or breaks down when he gets the ball as he often receives it with his back to opposition and has to manoeuvre himself into a position to use his left foot. I thought we looked way more fluid and attacking when the play went through Luiz and Sanson. If we want a stocky little wasp-in-a-bottle type player on the field, Buendia is a better bet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on July 28, 2022, 02:28:53 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love him to bits.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 28, 2022, 03:51:13 AM
'Ultra right wing' tory party?!? Jesus, how times and brains have changed. Its probably the most centre left the tories have ever been. I did a politics degree in late 80's and early 90's, now that was when the tories were right wing.

Im unfortunately old enough to have lived through Thatcher and the country is still feeling the scars of her. But if you think this lot aren’t as right wing as her Governments your really not sitting up and taking notice. Horrendous benefit cuts, looking for their ‘war’ with working people by purposely antagonising the unions, privatising the school system, dismantling the NHS, the list is endless, but its for another thread.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rory on July 28, 2022, 04:24:38 AM
'Ultra right wing' tory party?!? Jesus, how times and brains have changed. Its probably the most centre left the tories have ever been. I did a politics degree in late 80's and early 90's, now that was when the tories were right wing.

Im unfortunately old enough to have lived through Thatcher and the country is still feeling the scars of her. But if you think this lot aren’t as right wing as her Governments your really not sitting up and taking notice. Horrendous benefit cuts, looking for their ‘war’ with working people by purposely antagonising the unions, privatising the school system, dismantling the NHS, the list is endless, but its for another thread.

Yeah, no disrespect to anyone in particular, the articulate right wingers on this forum contribute a hell of a lot, but the dodgy types often appear in the football threads.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 28, 2022, 07:28:38 AM
On the evidence of the matches in Australia I'd have said he's a problem, mostly because he is so one-footed. The play slows or breaks down when he gets the ball as he often receives it with his back to opposition and has to manoeuvre himself into a position to use his left foot. I thought we looked way more fluid and attacking when the play went through Luiz and Sanson. If we want a stocky little wasp-in-a-bottle type player on the field, Buendia is a better bet.

On the money there - Buendia is a fiery little character in a similar vein to McGinn, just with the ability to make THAT pass. McGinn should be nowhere near that starting eleven on the basis of his performances the past couple of seasons, when we have better options that would make him second choice (at best).

I'll trust Gerrard's judgement for now, but if the argument for stripping Mings was that the captaincy hindered his game, what the fuck is it going to do to McGinn?! The second coming of Danny Drinkwater anyone??

Hopefully it works, but I can prempt the same error prone, frustrating displays this season as we have seen the past few. Only difference is that now Gerrard has made him captain, he will have to stick to his guns to save face. McGinn seemed undroppable before - he's pretty much etched in the Villa Park turf now.



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 28, 2022, 08:09:48 AM
Hmm, I was thinking if we were to progress this season then McGinn wouldn't be a starter, replaced by someone with more technique and control. So now he's captain, he's starting every game, unless Gerrard does a Deano and drops him to make a point (at the precise worst point possible).

I worry what this does for our attacking play. The 433 just does not create chances in open play. And with McGinn nailed on to start I guess that means no Buendia and Coutinho starting together either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2022, 08:09:55 AM
I don't mind McGinn making a mistake, my bigger issue is him running around aimlessly without touching the ball for large periods of a game, then treating it like a hot potato once he gets it. Trouble is there are some games when he is truly outstanding, but they are too infrequent. Making him captain takes a place up that in time should be someone else for me, so I hope it raises his game considerably. I would have him and Ramsey competing for one spot, and Luiz and Kamara anchoring the midfield this season as they look after the ball better. Strange call for me when Emi M is such a nailed on starter and huge character.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 28, 2022, 08:12:50 AM
I love Tyrone and JM but I will back Steven Gerrard's decision if it improves the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2022, 09:37:55 AM
On the evidence of the matches in Australia I'd have said he's a problem, mostly because he is so one-footed. The play slows or breaks down when he gets the ball as he often receives it with his back to opposition and has to manoeuvre himself into a position to use his left foot. I thought we looked way more fluid and attacking when the play went through Luiz and Sanson. If we want a stocky little wasp-in-a-bottle type player on the field, Buendia is a better bet.
Love that description.

I also thought Luiz and Sanson looked very good.  And I love Buendia, I really think we need to find a way to get him in the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 28, 2022, 10:25:04 AM
McGinn's stats are great for an industrious player in the centre. Perhaps we're going 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-1-3 with him and Kamara holding and dropping into defence to get Digne and Cash forward?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2022, 10:29:44 AM
A very strange decision by our Steven.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 28, 2022, 10:31:59 AM
I look forward to him lifting the FA Cup next season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on July 28, 2022, 10:37:56 AM
So e people are naturally leaders who flourish with additional responsibility and who others respect. I think both McGinn and Mings fall into that category in a way that, for example, Konsa and Luiz don’t. I know some don’t rate McGinn particularly highly but for me his energy and drive gives him an edge over many who, although perhaps more technically gifted, don’t share that ability.

I think you just have to respect the manager’s decision on this one. He’s the one around the players all the time so will presumably understand the dynamic on the squad to a far greater extent than we do.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Steve kirk on July 28, 2022, 11:01:17 AM
Hmm, I was thinking if we were to progress this season then McGinn wouldn't be a starter, replaced by someone with more technique and control. So now he's captain, he's starting every game, unless Gerrard does a Deano and drops him to make a point (at the precise worst point possible).

I worry what this does for our attacking play. The 433 just does not create chances in open play. And with McGinn nailed on to start I guess that means no Buendia and Coutinho starting together either.

My thoughts entirely, we needed an upgrade on him to push towards the top 7/8, he wouldn’t be in my team never mind captain
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 28, 2022, 11:04:11 AM
Hmm, I was thinking if we were to progress this season then McGinn wouldn't be a starter, replaced by someone with more technique and control. So now he's captain, he's starting every game, unless Gerrard does a Deano and drops him to make a point (at the precise worst point possible).

I worry what this does for our attacking play. The 433 just does not create chances in open play. And with McGinn nailed on to start I guess that means no Buendia and Coutinho starting together either.

My thoughts entirely, we needed an upgrade on him to push towards the top 7/8, he wouldn’t be in my team never mind captain

Same here..He might be a great captain, however.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: caster troy on July 28, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
Hmm, I was thinking if we were to progress this season then McGinn wouldn't be a starter, replaced by someone with more technique and control. So now he's captain, he's starting every game, unless Gerrard does a Deano and drops him to make a point (at the precise worst point possible).

I worry what this does for our attacking play. The 433 just does not create chances in open play. And with McGinn nailed on to start I guess that means no Buendia and Coutinho starting together either.

Totally agree. I don't think it should have been taken off Mings in the first place, but if he wants to let him concentrate on his own performances the obvious choice for captain was Martinez who is on a long term deal and is one of the best in the world in his position so its hard to see a scenario where he would be dropped. McGinn is clearly a likeable character in the dressing room but as it stands he is arguably in a battle to be our third best central midfielder. He needs to improve if he wants to keep his place in the team ahead of Sanson/Luiz/Tim/new signing, but as you say if he is now undroppable we are really limiting ourselves both in terms of personnel and tactics. I reckon it is one dimensional thinking from Gerrard, he is looking for a carbon copy of himself and only seeing a combative midfielder leading the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john2710 on July 28, 2022, 12:01:25 PM
Henderson is the Liverpool captain but he doesn't start every game. Giving McGinn the captaincy doesn't mean he will start every game.

I love Mings but he's not a leader on the pitch, his conduct off the pitch is impeccable. McGinn sets the tempo & drive of the team. But if he doesn't perform he won't play.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on July 28, 2022, 12:09:29 PM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.

I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.

Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2022, 12:10:43 PM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.

I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.

Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.



I'd say McGinn makes as many mistakes as Mings does though, certainly with his passing. Being a midfielder rather than a central defender they're just not as immediately obvious.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Beard82 on July 28, 2022, 12:18:14 PM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.

I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.

Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.



I'd say McGinn makes as many mistakes as Mings does though, certainly with his passing. Being a midfielder rather than a central defender they're just not as immediately obvious.
Agreed - for much of last season our midfield was barely functional.  Not the decision I would have made,  but I guess at the end of the day - we have to let SG do his thing and hope he knows what hes doing. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2022, 12:28:10 PM
Henderson is the Liverpool captain but he doesn't start every game. Giving McGinn the captaincy doesn't mean he will start every game.

I love Mings but he's not a leader on the pitch, his conduct off the pitch is impeccable. McGinn sets the tempo & drive of the team. But if he doesn't perform he won't play.

The Henderson comparison doesn't really stack up. He's 32 now, and they need to manage his fitness. He still played 57 times for them in all competitions last season though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2022, 12:29:35 PM
I love Mings but he's not a leader on the pitch

No idea how you can say this - one thing he is is a fantastic leader on the pitch.

McGinn sets the tempo & drive of the team. But if he doesn't perform he won't play.

Last season would suggest this isn't necessarily true.  At times we looked desperate for McGinn or Ramsey to come out the team and Sanson was chomping at the bit, but it just never happened.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2022, 12:31:14 PM
But other than that....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villainabroad on July 28, 2022, 12:39:51 PM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.

I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.

Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.



I'd say McGinn makes as many mistakes as Mings does though, certainly with his passing. Being a midfielder rather than a central defender they're just not as immediately obvious.
Agreed - for much of last season our midfield was barely functional.  Not the decision I would have made,  but I guess at the end of the day - we have to let SG do his thing and hope he knows what hes doing. 

Agree with all this re McGinn too. He disappeared in a lot of games last year. Him, TM or EM could be captain on the pitch at the end of the day. Assuming Kamara will start most games in a midfield three, it looks like McGinn will too. Hmmm.

Off the pitch, TM is exactly the kind of role model you would want your club to have as club captain, so I'm surprised they've not kept him on in some capacity. A strange look for our club I think, after he was being touted widely over the last year or so.

SG has got some strange ways of managing people. Obviously he wants results on the pitch, but his comments about TM, Emi B and Matt Targett (no wonder he wanted out!) feel like they're just a bit too blunt. Though I suspect it's a fine margin between motivating someone to do better and undermining team spirit. We'll only find out with time what he succeeds in doing I suppose.
 
 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john2710 on July 28, 2022, 01:15:44 PM
Gerrard gets to see them in training, in the dressing room & to assess the dynamics in the group. If he thinks McGinn is the best choice for now, he's in a better place to make that decision than any of us.

A captain is not based on matchday performance, otherwise would Cash get it on his performances since Gerrard arrived?

McGinn is the best option at this point.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2022, 01:22:16 PM
Henderson is the Liverpool captain but he doesn't start every game. Giving McGinn the captaincy doesn't mean he will start every game.

I love Mings but he's not a leader on the pitch, his conduct off the pitch is impeccable. McGinn sets the tempo & drive of the team. But if he doesn't perform he won't play.

The Henderson comparison doesn't really stack up. He's 32 now, and they need to manage his fitness. He still played 57 times for them in all competitions last season though.
And when Henderson was first appointed captain he was nailed on starter in every game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2022, 02:07:45 PM
The new Captain of Aston Villa ladies and gents; the honourable Sir John McGinn. Personally on reflection I think this will lift his game. He’s not going to be asked to do the same role as last season where he drops too deep all the time. I would hope he is more the player Scotland has got recently than what he’s done for us. And nothing is forever. If it doesn’t work out the he will be replaced. It’s a business

https://twitter.com/catrinavfc/status/1552348222605168645?s=21&t=MClco73TTJy6aRuqa_EO_w
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2022, 02:48:04 PM
He's never going to play in a front 3 for us like he does for Scotland, because a) we've got players who are much better at that and b) we don't play the likes of Andorra and San Marino.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2022, 02:56:27 PM
He's never going to play in a front 3 for us like he does for Scotland, because a) we've got players who are much better at that and b) we don't play the likes of Andorra and San Marino.

Without a recognized DM him and Luiz dropped way too deep and took away from their strengths. You're right we won’t be seeing exactly the Scotland McGinn, but we should be able to see an all round more productive version, and one that contributes more on the attacking side than he has the past two seasons.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on July 29, 2022, 12:50:50 PM
In Gerrard’s interview with VillaTV he says that just because McGinn, Martinez, and Carlos have captaincy roles it doesn’t mean any of them are undroppable. He also says he’s expecting McGinn to go up a level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Chap on July 29, 2022, 01:02:40 PM
His way of telling McGinn to get his finger out?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on July 29, 2022, 01:11:27 PM
Well if pressure and worrying about the whole team is a cause of Mings making mistakes, he’s taken that excuse away. There’s an expectation his performance will improve.

With McGinn he’s done the opposite. He’s put the focus on him and told him all eyes are on him now, he has to step up and be the best because he’s setting the example for the rest of the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: usav on July 29, 2022, 01:19:04 PM
In Gerrard’s interview with VillaTV he says that just because McGinn, Martinez, and Carlos have captaincy roles it doesn’t mean any of them are undroppable. He also says he’s expecting McGinn to go up a level.

Only one of those three is close to being undroppable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2022, 01:29:04 PM



With McGinn he’s done the opposite. He’s put the focus on him and told him all eyes are on him now, he has to step up and be the best version of himself because he’s setting the example for the rest of the team.


FTFY
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: brontebilly on July 29, 2022, 02:54:22 PM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.

I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.

Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.

There might be some rotation at CB but for most teams outside of European football it's not a good idea. I've always thought at CB it's about how you interact with the other CB, GK and DM. Over time you develop a good understanding as to the strengths and weaknesses in each other's game.

The likes of Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City have a huge amount of games and need to manage player workload carefully. Even then at City particularly, Guardiola isn't averse to giving likes of Stones and Ake the odd game at full back. But we don't have that luxury hence I don't think Gerrard will be able to carry Konsa, Carlos and Mings if all are fully fit. Especially now with Carlos announced already as vice captain, if Gerrard didn't see him as first choice then he wouldn't be.

I also don't buy the argument that taking the captaincy off Mings will take pressure off him. Mings wasn't captain when Grealish was with us and he was average at best for our first two seasons back. If anything the additional responsibility improved his concentration and performance levels. To give one example, he was far better defensively in the air last season than he was previously.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Gareth on July 29, 2022, 03:15:14 PM
In addition to any rotation a centre back having 4 he trusts also gives Gerrard the option to go 3 at the back at times, particularly with 5 subs switching from 4 to a 3 during particular games if required
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on July 29, 2022, 03:18:16 PM
also gives Gerrard the option to go 3 at the back at times,

And that can never be a bad thing can it H&V ers?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on July 29, 2022, 03:18:55 PM



With McGinn he’s done the opposite. He’s put the focus on him and told him all eyes are on him now, he has to step up and be the best version of himself because he’s setting the example for the rest of the team.


FTFY

 >:(
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2022, 05:48:22 PM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.

I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.

Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.

There might be some rotation at CB but for most teams outside of European football it's not a good idea. I've always thought at CB it's about how you interact with the other CB, GK and DM. Over time you develop a good understanding as to the strengths and weaknesses in each other's game.

The likes of Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City have a huge amount of games and need to manage player workload carefully. Even then at City particularly, Guardiola isn't averse to giving likes of Stones and Ake the odd game at full back. But we don't have that luxury hence I don't think Gerrard will be able to carry Konsa, Carlos and Mings if all are fully fit. Especially now with Carlos announced already as vice captain, if Gerrard didn't see him as first choice then he wouldn't be.

I also don't buy the argument that taking the captaincy off Mings will take pressure off him. Mings wasn't captain when Grealish was with us and he was average at best for our first two seasons back. If anything the additional responsibility improved his concentration and performance levels. To give one example, he was far better defensively in the air last season than he was previously.

In Grealish's last season we had the best defensive record we've had for some time, especially while Grealish was fit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2022, 08:30:20 PM
We’ve got McGinn, super slim McGinn…

Doesn’t he look a lot leaner in this picture donning the new armband?

https://twitter.com/dougellisstand/status/1553050325245988873?s=21&t=P69q7hQeCRH9V-brLob7tA
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on July 29, 2022, 08:48:12 PM
We’ve got McGinn, super slim McGinn…

Doesn’t he look a lot leaner in this picture donning the new armband?

https://twitter.com/dougellisstand/status/1553050325245988873?s=21&t=P69q7hQeCRH9V-brLob7tA

Doesn't look too much different to me, but the kit looks good!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 30, 2022, 06:58:42 AM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.

I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.

Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.

There might be some rotation at CB but for most teams outside of European football it's not a good idea. I've always thought at CB it's about how you interact with the other CB, GK and DM. Over time you develop a good understanding as to the strengths and weaknesses in each other's game.

The likes of Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City have a huge amount of games and need to manage player workload carefully. Even then at City particularly, Guardiola isn't averse to giving likes of Stones and Ake the odd game at full back. But we don't have that luxury hence I don't think Gerrard will be able to carry Konsa, Carlos and Mings if all are fully fit. Especially now with Carlos announced already as vice captain, if Gerrard didn't see him as first choice then he wouldn't be.

I also don't buy the argument that taking the captaincy off Mings will take pressure off him. Mings wasn't captain when Grealish was with us and he was average at best for our first two seasons back. If anything the additional responsibility improved his concentration and performance levels. To give one example, he was far better defensively in the air last season than he was previously.

In Grealish's last season we had the best defensive record we've had for some time, especially while Grealish was fit.

There is the endless debate about Mings, me and my son do it, where he thinks he’s average and makes too many mistakes and i think we judge him too harshly. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, I’m sure in our second season back, didn’t we have the best defensive record outside of the top four? I just don’t see how that happens if one of that unit in Mings is ‘average at best’ during that season. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2022, 07:59:44 AM

There is the endless debate about Mings, me and my son do it, where he thinks he’s average and makes too many mistakes and i think we judge him too harshly. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, I’m sure in our second season back, didn’t we have the best defensive record outside of the top four? I just don’t see how that happens if one of that unit in Mings is ‘average at best’ during that season. 

That stat's not right though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 30, 2022, 08:44:32 AM

There is the endless debate about Mings, me and my son do it, where he thinks he’s average and makes too many mistakes and i think we judge him too harshly. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, I’m sure in our second season back, didn’t we have the best defensive record outside of the top four? I just don’t see how that happens if one of that unit in Mings is ‘average at best’ during that season. 

That stat's not right though.

Ive just had a look at the final league table and five teams let in less goals than us, the top four and also spurs, who finished seventh i think. Then there was us and Brighton who let in 46. So we had the joint sixth best defence in the league. Thats still pretty good and Mings was a big part of that.

Im not saying that Mings should be starting now by the way, jurys out for me on who our best CB pairing will be. I just think it’s a bit harsh to say he’s been average at best, when in one of those seasons we had a very good defence.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 30, 2022, 09:03:27 AM
we're a mid-table side, Mings is a mid-table player. Level Par.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 30, 2022, 09:16:31 AM
I didn't realise Mings now goes by the name of John McGinn!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on July 30, 2022, 09:27:33 AM
I think things is a very good defender gets in loads of blocks and gets plenty of headed clearances
He fusses around too much and for every season he’s played down at VP we have been asking him to cut the sloppiness out and he hasn’t done it so let’s face it he’s not going to

Every defender will make mistakes the problem with Mings is at least 50% of his mistakes come from his own doing to lax and not focused enough, This will or maybe has been his undoing he just never learnt
he’s never been much of a ball player so there’s nothing he can do about that really but Gerrard I think feels if we are going to be pushing for Euro football he becomes too much of a liability

Been fantastic for us so far but his lack of ball control and too many unforced errors means he can’t cut it at higher level
He’s look good for England when he sat in a back five with two holding midfielders in front protecting  but that’s not the way we play
I fear the same fate for Konsa

Premiership can be ruthless at times



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2022, 09:48:07 AM

Premiership can be ruthless at times


Psssst John, it hasn't been called that for twenty years.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on July 30, 2022, 09:50:04 AM

Premiership can be ruthless at times


Psssst John, it hasn't been called that for twenty years.

I’m always behind the times
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2022, 10:24:57 AM

Premiership can be ruthless at times


Psssst John, it hasn't been called that for twenty years.

I’m always behind the times

There aren't many people that can still carry off a Terry McDermott bubble perm and moustache, and neither can John, but top marks for trying.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: john e on July 30, 2022, 11:41:36 AM

Premiership can be ruthless at times


Psssst John, it hasn't been called that for twenty years.

I’m always behind the times

There aren't many people that can still carry off a Terry McDermott bubble perm and moustache, and neither can John, but top marks for trying.

I did have a perm in the 80s When I was ‘with it‘
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 30, 2022, 11:57:29 AM
I was with it in the 80s. Hair that is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 02, 2022, 09:05:08 PM
Gerrard's six-month examination of every player led him to make a pick for a midfielder. A player who also played in a comparable position of our current manager.
A player who is a jokester off the field in the locker room.
A footballer with poor discipline on the field who frequently receives yellow cards.
And has been suspended for such.
Mings was a fan of clumsy and reckless yellow cards something that McGinn is also guilty of so no upgrade there

To be fair to his appointment JM is someone who has been at the club a while and seems committed he's a member of the club's leadership team and as a passionate and committed player the idea us supporters will be impressed with such determination .
Though his exbuerence can contributes to the cautions sometimes needless.

SJM is someone who doesn't have the same influence as Mings off the field as a passionate advocate for diversity and a role model for players who have emerged from the non-league. McGinn also lacks the winning credentials of Martinez and Young.

There's most obvious reasons to why McGinn was picked to me was his old school values of way he plays and his character of the pitch in regards to being one of the lads.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: BC Villain on August 06, 2022, 04:55:49 PM
Captain marvel....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 05:21:09 PM
By god, he's every inch the Championship player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 06, 2022, 05:23:01 PM
Making this guy captain will be the undoing of Gerrard. That was the worst team performance I've seen since we got relegated, personified by the 'captain'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on August 06, 2022, 05:44:40 PM
That’s probably the worst game I’ve seen him play. Mind you, I could say that about quite a few today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: levico on August 06, 2022, 05:50:41 PM
It’s a crazy decision by the Scouser. It’ll have to be reversed, probably by the new inevitable manager.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 06, 2022, 05:51:20 PM
It seems we're lacking leadership on and off the pitch, judging by the starting 11, subs and eventual result today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2022, 05:52:01 PM
He’s just not good enough to be a starting CM at PL level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on August 06, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
He’s just not good enough to be a starting CM at PL level.

Based on today neither are most of his teammates in their respective positions.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2022, 06:00:20 PM
He’s just not good enough to be a starting CM at PL level.

He has no chance at RCM. The logic of playing a guy who can't kick a ball with his right foot at RCM beggars belief.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Le Lapin on August 06, 2022, 08:34:01 PM
Very surprised McGinn got the captaincy. I have seen nothing from this guy in a very long time to warrant that he be the captain. Missing in too many games, not sure what is going on here, but he is either struggling with being in the league or he is being coached to look shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2022, 08:41:18 PM
I think his appointment as captain was just another fuck you to Tyrone Mings from Steven Gerrard.  It is all deeply personal now. All this bollocks by Gerrard saying Tyrone Mings has to "look him in the eye".
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Le Lapin on August 06, 2022, 08:45:58 PM
Mings has brain farts in most games, but the guy plays like a captain in between costing us goals. McGinn is generally anonymous is most games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2022, 08:46:05 PM
I think his appointment as captain was just another fuck you to Tyrone Mings from Steven Gerrard.  It is all deeply personal now. All this bollocks by Gerrard saying Tyrone Mings has to "look him in the eye".

It is starting to have that somethin' ain't right feel about it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 06, 2022, 08:54:36 PM
I think his appointment as captain was just another fuck you to Tyrone Mings from Steven Gerrard.  It is all deeply personal now. All this bollocks by Gerrard saying Tyrone Mings has to "look him in the eye".

It is starting to have that somethin' ain't right feel about it.
It does and if it comes down to a popularity contest Gerrard may find he isn't as well liked at Villa as he might think he is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on August 06, 2022, 09:02:59 PM
He hasn’t got a lot (any) goodwill in the bank. Remember we’re lucky to have him if you believe the media hype.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2022, 09:20:49 PM
I think his appointment as captain was just another fuck you to Tyrone Mings from Steven Gerrard.  It is all deeply personal now. All this bollocks by Gerrard saying Tyrone Mings has to "look him in the eye".

It is starting to have that somethin' ain't right feel about it.
Yes, this is the worry.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2022, 09:25:26 PM
Another with Mings who isn't up to it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2022, 09:27:14 PM
I think there is still time for our manager to come good but first and foremost he has to stop being 'Stavie G' who walks on the waters of the Mairsey and start being the Manager of Aston Villa Football Club.  An historic, proud club in its own right, not a rung in the ladder.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2022, 09:55:26 PM
If Gerrard doesn't think Mings delivers - and argument i can understand - then I have zero idea how he thinks McGinn delivers enough to warrant being made captain.

Off the pitch he seems a likeable clown and on the pitch he's been piss poor for at least two years.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 12:49:40 AM
Crystal Palace away and Man United away in the Cup are the last two good performances.

He's reliable in buying cheap free kicks and giving the ball away in dangerous areas. An absolute bargain, but we need so much better.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2022, 12:59:26 AM
And yet, the manager made him captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 01:03:15 AM
Yes he did, God knows why. If you're keeping McGinn and not giving it Emi, it makes sense. But I don't think we should be keeping McGinn personally.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ROBBO on August 07, 2022, 01:48:25 AM
Does anyone else sense that all is not well in the squad, the body language speaks volumes, somehow i get the feeling the manager is not well liked.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 06:45:54 AM
Does anyone else sense that all is not well in the squad, the body language speaks volumes, somehow i get the feeling the manager is not well liked.
There are quite a few players that are likely to be unhappy with him and it does not take long for a them and us situation to develop.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on August 07, 2022, 07:19:36 AM
McGinn was very poor yesterday, and I saw no drive or aggression, or rallying of the players.

I think it was a lazy choice of captain from Gerrard, and one that could backfire. It may have already
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 07:24:02 AM
When squad leaders Mings are undermined, but the decisions aren’t getting the right results things slide quickly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 08:43:47 AM
That might be true, although we cannot plualrise it until after jext week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 09:05:02 AM
When squad leaders like Mings are undermined, but the decisions aren’t getting the right results, things slide quickly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Le Lapin on August 07, 2022, 11:07:17 AM
In my opinion, not alone should John McGinn not be the captain of team, he should not be in our first eleven. He has done nothing for a long time to warrant automatic first team selection. He is just not good enough for us of we want to move on from lower mid table mediocrity.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: BC Villain on August 07, 2022, 12:46:23 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 01:00:07 PM
I've only seen a Konsa interview on social media so far.

"Disappointed with today. We'll work hard an come back stronger. Support was great"

There you go. Copy and paste lads, throw in a few emojis too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2022, 01:01:06 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?

Maybe he wasnt interviewed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2022, 01:03:26 PM
Tbf to McGinn I think he was probably Villas best outfield player against Bournemouth. He made attempts to fight for the cause but he be hard pushed to get even 6.5/10
The rest were lower!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: BC Villain on August 07, 2022, 01:09:04 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?

Maybe he wasnt interviewed.

Maybe not by Sky or the BBC.  I'd have thought the clubs own media people would have though, given his new status.  Perhaps he was too busy planning his dressing room pranks for the week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2022, 01:13:41 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?

Maybe he wasnt interviewed.

Maybe not by Sky or the BBC.  I'd have thought the clubs own media people would have though, given his new status.  Perhaps he was too busy planning his dressing room pranks for the week.

Oh dear, what a pathetic post.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 01:33:50 PM
Tbf to McGinn I think he was probably Villas best outfield player against Bournemouth. He made attempts to fight for the cause but he be hard pushed to get even 6.5/10
The rest were lower!


He really wasn't.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 07, 2022, 01:35:58 PM
Tbf to McGinn I think he was probably Villas best outfield player against Bournemouth. He made attempts to fight for the cause but he be hard pushed to get even 6.5/10
The rest were lower!


Kamara was way ahead of everybody. SJM did indeed put in his usual shift but we'll never see the best of him whilst those around are passengers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2022, 01:43:42 PM
I think McGinn's reputation as a "character" who runs himself into the ground works in his favour. In an era of automaton footballers with exceptional fitness and technical levels, our Meatball stands-out as a proper throwback. The odd lovely goal and Hollywood pass that comes off keeps his credentials ticking-over. Unfortunately he is the passenger too often.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 03:11:14 PM
Wasn’t McGinn being touted as a possible target for  Sky’s favourite team 12 months ago for £50m? Now I read he’s not a PL player. He didn’t have the best season last season but he wasn’t the worst player. Seems as if he’s the latest target along with Gerrard, Coutinho and Watkins.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 07, 2022, 03:21:02 PM
One trick pony using his considerable backside to try to roll the opposition then passes to no one? He lives by the fact some fanboys go on about his stats, which I think proves how weak the rest of our midfield is rather than how strong McGinn is. Should not have been made captain another SG mistake!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 03:48:43 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I get there’s a witch-hunt going on against the manager and some of the players after 1 game. He wasn’t a 1 trick pony during our first 2 seasons back in the PL. He isn’t a defensive midfielder or a ball player, he’s best in an attacking midfield role. If your not going to use him in that role then there’s no point playing him. That doesn’t make him a bad player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on August 07, 2022, 03:52:12 PM
Tbf to McGinn I think he was probably Villas best outfield player against Bournemouth. He made attempts to fight for the cause but he be hard pushed to get even 6.5/10
The rest were lower!


Kamara was way ahead of everybody. SJM did indeed put in his usual shift but we'll never see the best of him whilst those around are passengers.

McGinn was a passenger too. The amount of times he got caught in possession. Terrible passing from deep as per usual. Id prefer too if he stopped shooting from outside the box.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 07, 2022, 03:58:11 PM
I just don't get the attacking midfielder description. In his senior career, he's made 330 league appearances and scored 31 goals, figures I'd expect from a central defender. And it's not like he was prolific before he came to us. 4 in 87 for St Mirren, 12 in 101 for Hibs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2022, 04:05:57 PM
I think his appointment as captain was just another fuck you to Tyrone Mings from Steven Gerrard.  It is all deeply personal now. All this bollocks by Gerrard saying Tyrone Mings has to "look him in the eye".
it does seem that way, Brian.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 04:10:09 PM
He’s best running onto balls, past the forward but not as a ball player. Attacking the opposition and not receiving the ball and playing delicate 1 - 2’s or spraying balls about. He also wins the ball more than any midfielder we have and does more than his fare share of the ugly side of the game.
If that’s not how we are going to play him then it’s no good him being in the team. Last season he was being played as a defensive midfielder at times and now he’s expected to be a Sid Cowans and spray the ball about. If Gerrard wants to use him like this then it won’t work.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 04:22:21 PM
When was McGinn a defensive midfielder last season?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 04:25:16 PM
He was played as a deep lying midfielder in a few games last season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2022, 04:37:20 PM
Wasn’t McGinn being touted as a possible target for  Sky’s favourite team 12 months ago for £50m? Now I read he’s not a PL player. He didn’t have the best season last season but he wasn’t the worst player. Seems as if he’s the latest target along with Gerrard, Coutinho and Watkins.

Think it's more he just plays every single minute of every single game that's really grating on people. You can understand that principle being applied to Grealish given he could create a goal for us at any minute but McGinn's been average for ages and I don't think at this level he's had the same consistent influence since he did his ligaments v Southampton in December 2019.

I was hoping we'd sign another CM in addition to Kamara and we've have some rotation going in that area depending on opposition e.g. 5 games in a month and McGinn starts 3 of them and is left on bench for other two.

Instead as captain he'll be starting all 5 games this month, he really should've been subbed yesterday but given he's captain others got hooked instead of him.

A few also probably wanted to see Sanson get a run of starts but again McGinn's automatic presence in team means that won't happen unless there's an injury or suspension.

Gerrard has dropped a massive clanger making him captain, he really should've given the armband to Martinez if he didn't rate Mings as a starter anymore. This decision is really going to mess up our season until it gets rectified and only way that happens is changing the manager.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: BC Villain on August 07, 2022, 04:59:04 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?

Maybe he wasnt interviewed.

Maybe not by Sky or the BBC.  I'd have thought the clubs own media people would have though, given his new status.  Perhaps he was too busy planning his dressing room pranks for the week.

Oh dear, what a pathetic post.

Don't see how wanting to hear the views of the newly appointed captain after a dismal performance is pathetic.  I'd say its perfectly reasonable.

Mings had a disastrous 20 minute spell against Wolves that went a long way to losing the game, but he fronted up and did an interview afterwards.  Not even a peep from McGinn on social media.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2022, 05:36:44 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?

Maybe he wasnt interviewed.

Maybe not by Sky or the BBC.  I'd have thought the clubs own media people would have though, given his new status.  Perhaps he was too busy planning his dressing room pranks for the week.

Oh dear, what a pathetic post.

Don't see how wanting to hear the views of the newly appointed captain after a dismal performance is pathetic.  I'd say its perfectly reasonable.

Mings had a disastrous 20 minute spell against Wolves that went a long way to losing the game, but he fronted up and did an interview afterwards.  Not even a peep from McGinn on social media.

It was the 'pranks' comment which made your post pathetic. I've heard better from the Twitter youth. Sounds like you have petty grudge with him but hey, that's people for you.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Flin5tone on August 07, 2022, 05:38:52 PM
Crap
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: four fornicholl on August 07, 2022, 05:43:13 PM
Crap
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dorsetvillian on August 07, 2022, 05:46:31 PM
Appointing McgGinn as captain may be the moment that defines Gerrard at Villa. It looks the wrong call to me. Time will tell..
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 07, 2022, 08:43:23 PM
He's neither one of our better players nor comes across as a leader of men. I just don't get this move.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 09:39:58 PM
He's neither one of our better players nor comes across as a leader of men. I just don't get this move.

It's a weird one, as it's not something that can be undone easily without a disastrous loss of face. I understand a new manager wanting to appoint his own captain, and especially if he thinks that the incumbent isn't playing well enough to be a guaranteed starter. But then to give it to somebody even worse is a startling lack of judgement.  The problem for him though is that there aren't many stand out candidates in this team, so I think McGinn got it by being the least worst option.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: rob_bridge on August 07, 2022, 09:52:57 PM
McGinn being Captain after his last 18 months is frankly speaking laughable. Objectively speaking.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 08, 2022, 10:37:22 AM
He couldn't lead a Jock to an Iron Bru give away. This is a shit situation we've manufactured ourselves as we've pissed off our best defender and haven't got a captain. Well done Gerrard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smithy on August 08, 2022, 10:49:35 AM
For all the criticism of McGinn's appointment, and what he does and doesn't bring to the role, not one of us sees him in the changing room before and during games. Not one of us sees him on the training pitch day in day out. Not one of us watches him engaging with his teammates one-on-one when things are going well or badly.

It might turn out to be a terrible appointment, but there is little reason to believe it was done for any other reason other than "he was the best candidate for the job" based on the above observations of the management team.

People were slamming Mings last season, insisting we needed an upgrade in defence, or that he had to improve.  So if he's NOT the captain, who realistically could it otherwise be?  Assuming you don't want a keeper as your on-field captain.

First and foremost he has to put in better performances for the team, because if he doesn't, he'll get dropped.  We know he's capable of better. We've seen it. Some players need a bollocking, some players need an arm around them.  Some thrive with responsibility, some shrink from it.  If Gerrard thinks this is the way to get the best out of him, then great, I'm willing to give it time to see.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2022, 01:36:37 PM
For all the criticism of McGinn's appointment, and what he does and doesn't bring to the role, not one of us sees him in the changing room before and during games. Not one of us sees him on the training pitch day in day out. Not one of us watches him engaging with his teammates one-on-one when things are going well or badly.

It might turn out to be a terrible appointment, but there is little reason to believe it was done for any other reason other than "he was the best candidate for the job" based on the above observations of the management team.

Agree with this. I went through the team and no other candidates really stood out apart from Emi.

Anyway it's 4 years to the day since he signed for us. Seems much longer but another reminder that we've come a long way in a relatively short space of time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smithy on August 08, 2022, 02:39:19 PM
I just checked the team on his debut - blimey, we really HAVE come a long way in four years...

                           Nyland

Tuanzebe     Chester     Jedinak      Hutton

Elmo           McGinn       Bjarnason     Green

                         Grealish

                          Kodjia
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on August 08, 2022, 05:41:42 PM
McGinn being Captain after his last 18 months is frankly speaking laughable. Objectively speaking.
Thre's nothing objective about that comment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2022, 05:56:41 PM
I just checked the team on his debut - blimey, we really HAVE come a long way in four years...

                           Nyland

Tuanzebe     Chester     Jedinak      Hutton

Elmo           McGinn       Bjarnason     Green

                         Grealish

                          Kodjia

We have. Our current Steve Bruce speaks very well and is enviably slender.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 08, 2022, 06:02:10 PM
We will never get the balance right whilst his place is guaranteed and making him Captain only enforces it and makes it look a terrible decision.
I have nothing against mcginn personally its just that he is not consistently good enough at this level.

It comes to something when we will be almost hoping he has an injury or suspension just to get him out. I really hope it does not come to that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 09:11:46 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 09:16:35 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
Maybe he should do a daily podcast.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 09:26:01 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
Maybe he should do a daily podcast.

Well done you for coming up with the extreme thought of the day!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2022, 10:08:40 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?

I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 10:44:30 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
Maybe he should do a daily podcast.

Well done you for coming up with the extreme thought of the day!
You can catch me on Radio 4
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 10:56:31 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
Maybe he should do a daily podcast.

Well done you for coming up with the extreme thought of the day!
You can catch me on Radio 4

No thanks!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2022, 10:57:43 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?

I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.

Agreed, it's only been one game but it's refreshing to see someone accusing McGinn of not stepping up to a plate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 11:23:14 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?

I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.

Agreed, it's only been one game but it's refreshing to see someone accusing McGinn of not stepping up to a plate.

Maybe it's already been emptied!
Union spokesperson uuh?
I may be doing McGinn a disservice. Maybe he's already had a chat with the boss, but he in his infinite misguided wisdom has decided not to listen.
McGinn is probably a great lad to party with, but seriously  captain material no matter how many games? ...No way!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 11:30:19 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?

I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.

Agreed, it's only been one game but it's refreshing to see someone accusing McGinn of not stepping up to a plate.

Maybe it's already been emptied!
Union spokesperson uuh?
I may be doing McGinn a disservice. Maybe he's already had a chat with the boss, but he in his infinite misguided wisdom has decided not to listen.
McGinn is probably a great lad to party with, but seriously  captain material no matter how many games? ...No way!
Not to listen to what?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 01:25:15 PM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?

I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.

Agreed, it's only been one game but it's refreshing to see someone accusing McGinn of not stepping up to a plate.

Maybe it's already been emptied!
Union spokesperson uuh?
I may be doing McGinn a disservice. Maybe he's already had a chat with the boss, but he in his infinite misguided wisdom has decided not to listen.
McGinn is probably a great lad to party with, but seriously  captain material no matter how many games? ...No way!
Not to listen to what?
Anyone else make any sense out of the above post?

No me neither
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 09, 2022, 06:17:36 PM
We need a weekly podcast from him after every weekend match telling us exactly what he is doing to put things right and a few anecdotal examples of leadership. Call it Meatball Mondays or something, but we need him to step up to the plate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 07:05:04 PM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?

I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.

Agreed, it's only been one game but it's refreshing to see someone accusing McGinn of not stepping up to a plate.

Maybe it's already been emptied!
Union spokesperson uuh?
I may be doing McGinn a disservice. Maybe he's already had a chat with the boss, but he in his infinite misguided wisdom has decided not to listen.
McGinn is probably a great lad to party with, but seriously  captain material no matter how many games? ...No way!
Not to listen to what?
Anyone else make any sense out of the above post?

No me neither

Aah bless!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 08:24:20 PM
We need a weekly podcast from him after every weekend match telling us exactly what he is doing to put things right and a few anecdotal examples of leadership. Call it Meatball Mondays or something, but we need him to step up to the plate.
As well as stepping up to the plate, he needs to grasp the nettle, act as a bridge, reach out to people, square the circle, not be in his infinite misguided wisdom because there is no I in TEAM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: KRS on August 09, 2022, 08:51:39 PM
SJM looked out of shape to me at the weekend…unless he’s got stockier and his arse has got even bigger? TBH I’m not convinced of the fitness levels of several players at the moment despite SG having the full squad for pre-season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 09, 2022, 11:34:34 PM
I'm not convinced he's a player good enough to be in a top 10 side. Who's team would he get in to that finished top half last season?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: gpbarr on August 09, 2022, 11:40:40 PM
Media loves him (Souness giving it large on TS this week) but I'm not convinced - spent most of Saturday either playing it sideways or on his arse looking at the referee, and i could not discern any leadership at all to right the wrongs that were pretty clear after 10-15 mins.

it was a truly woeful and abject performance from our new captain!   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2022, 01:42:45 AM
I'm not convinced he's a player good enough to be in a top 10 side. Who's team would he get in to that finished top half last season?

Celtic and Rangers (obviously he'd only choose one of them).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: KRS on August 10, 2022, 10:28:46 AM
Media loves him (Souness giving it large on TS this week) but I'm not convinced - spent most of Saturday either playing it sideways or on his arse looking at the referee, and i could not discern any leadership at all to right the wrongs that were pretty clear after 10-15 mins.

it was a truly woeful and abject performance from our new captain!   
Can’t remember if it was WM or TS, but their commentator at the ground said SJM was our best player against Bournemouth. They must be watching a different game to most on here.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 02:47:06 PM
Had a great match at Palace last season. Wonderful goal.
Looking for a proper captain's example today. And to lead us well.
We've got McGinn!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 20, 2022, 05:22:32 PM
Disappointed in this guy today. McGinn and Ramsey in midfield together weakens us. Obviously got booked and was probably lucky not to get sent off before being subbed. That's hardly leading by example as captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 05:23:56 PM
Awful for months and months now.

Changing room joker becomes undroppable captain. Looked like he was trying his best to get sent off today, too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on August 20, 2022, 05:24:49 PM
A massively poor player nowadays.

Captain material my arse
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 20, 2022, 05:26:31 PM
He can get in the f**king sea. Would love nothing more than him being dropped. Try Tim and Kamara instead and it might actually mean the full backs getting forward won't be too exposed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 20, 2022, 05:29:15 PM
Championship / Scottish Premiership lever player.

Stop sugar-coating mediocre!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2022, 05:30:36 PM
Terrible decision to make him captain.

Should've been sent off today aswell which ironically might've helped as at least could've seen a different midfield structure next week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on August 20, 2022, 05:33:11 PM
This decision might be one that Gerrard regrets over time, especially when he has to drop and and needs a towel to wipe the egg off his face.  Rubbish decision, very average player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on August 20, 2022, 06:20:22 PM
Unfortunately, if he wanted to take it from Mings there wasn’t an alternative. This says a lot about the squad and the lack of real leaders. Now Carlos has an injury and he’s got to play Mings so that’s backfired massively. Like a lot of us when it was announced, I just couldn’t see the logic to it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2022, 06:29:04 PM
Can't play in a midfield 2 or 3 at this level. Doesn't have the technical skills or athletic ability. I must say though it really boils my piss when he is selected on the right of the three as he has to turn inside every time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LukeJames on August 20, 2022, 06:31:46 PM
Watch him for Palaces disallowed goal, zero awareness of were Schlupp was.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 06:33:13 PM
Buendía for all his promise in previous matches was probably the most poor though I thought
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 20, 2022, 06:44:24 PM
We outbid Celtic to buy him for next to fuck all when we were in the second division. He has been good for us, but for the life of me I can't see what other people apparently can, that he's being played out of position and if we sold him he'd be going to a 'next level' club. He's a busy midfielder that should be nowhere near being a guaranteed starter for a club aiming to finish higher than 15th.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Vegas on August 20, 2022, 06:53:18 PM
He had a couple of good games in 2019.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2022, 06:55:42 PM
Let’s not rewrite things here. John McGinn has paid for himself many, many times over. He’s played some superb games for us. But as we aimed higher he has shown that he’s not at the level we need. A brilliant squad player to have but he should not be starting and not captain. I thought it might elevate him but he just doesn’t have the quality.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2022, 07:08:13 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2022, 07:19:03 PM
Unfortunately, if he wanted to take it from Mings there wasn’t an alternative. This says a lot about the squad and the lack of real leaders. Now Carlos has an injury and he’s got to play Mings so that’s backfired massively. Like a lot of us when it was announced, I just couldn’t see the logic to it.

I'd have given it to Martinez personally. A winner with Arsenal and Argentina when he broke into their teams and likes of Lloris and Schmeichel in recent seasons have captained top 6 teams. Pretty sure Casillas and Neurer were captains when their respective countries won the world cup aswell.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 07:39:43 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.

I know it's all about opinions but he's not 'fucking terrible' at all. Good enough for where we want to be? Debatable. Fucking terrible? Nah.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 07:41:35 PM
Unfortunately, if he wanted to take it from Mings there wasn’t an alternative. This says a lot about the squad and the lack of real leaders. Now Carlos has an injury and he’s got to play Mings so that’s backfired massively. Like a lot of us when it was announced, I just couldn’t see the logic to it.

I'd have given it to Martinez personally. A winner with Arsenal and Argentina when he broke into their teams and likes of Lloris and Schmeichel in recent seasons have captained top 6 teams. Pretty sure Casillas and Neurer were captains when their respective countries won the world cup aswell.

Yes I touted for Martinez and said that on his thread pre season.
Lloris is spurs captain. Pickford Everton captain
Kasper Schmeichel was Leicester captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 07:44:43 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.

I know it's all about opinions but he's not 'fucking terrible' at all. Good enough for where we want to be? Debatable. Fucking terrible? Nah.
Thing is he's not played or given enough licence  in his best position enough here
McGinn needs to be played further up the pitch.
Like he does for his national team
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 07:46:40 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.

I know it's all about opinions but he's not 'fucking terrible' at all. Good enough for where we want to be? Debatable. Fucking terrible? Nah.

He's been very poor for a long time, but is the first name on the team sheet and, somehow, the new captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Richard E on August 20, 2022, 07:47:19 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.

The person who knows how to work the fax machine link to the FA doesn’t work Sundays.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Goldenballs on August 20, 2022, 07:49:07 PM
I think he's a good player to have in the squad for a team pushing for the top half.

Shouldn't be captain, and shouldn't be a nailed on starter either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 09:24:29 PM
I think McGinn is a massive problem and one that Gerrard has made worse by making him captain. For me he’s never kicked on beyond a lower mid table to bottom of the table player. I’m just not sure what his usp is - he doesn’t produce much in attack, he’s not a good passer, and he’s not good defensively. Him starting every week is a big problem.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 20, 2022, 10:07:26 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.

I know it's all about opinions but he's not 'fucking terrible' at all. Good enough for where we want to be? Debatable. Fucking terrible? Nah.
Thing is he's not played or given enough licence  in his best position enough here
McGinn needs to be played further up the pitch.
Like he does for his national team

Further up the pitch we have Buendia, Coutinho (and Bailey), who are all better, so we don't need McGinn there either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2022, 10:40:17 PM
Said this for 2 years now, he's not good enough for a team who want to be top half of the division. And he ain't no captain either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Beard82 on August 20, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
I think McGinn is a massive problem and one that Gerrard has made worse by making him captain. For me he’s never kicked on beyond a lower mid table to bottom of the table player. I’m just not sure what his usp is - he doesn’t produce much in attack, he’s not a good passer, and he’s not good defensively. Him starting every week is a big problem.
Yeah to me it feels like SG wanted to take the armband off Mings and he was the only person who could have it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OzVilla on August 21, 2022, 01:07:05 AM
Looking like SG dropped a massive bollock giving him the arm band. Painted himself into a corner. For the 2nd time in 3 weeks after Mings.

Need a starting upgrade so this could be the shortest official captaincy role on record.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2022, 02:13:30 AM
Couldn't help raise a smile as the camera panned to the subs bench after he was taken-off, his little head moving this way and that to follow the action from the crappy, low Selhurst Park dugouts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on August 21, 2022, 02:18:48 AM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.

And yet he's our captain. What must the manager be on?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: villadelph on August 21, 2022, 02:19:12 AM
39 touches, 10 less than Emi1.
13 turnovers
19 completed passes
36’ Yellow

Where’s the super gone?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2022, 06:29:46 AM
A Championship player that has had the odd decent game in the PL.
Is he still going on the piss with Greasy?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: saint13 on August 21, 2022, 07:17:57 AM
Said this for 2 years now, he's not good enough for a team who want to be top half of the division. And he ain't no captain either.

I have said the same for ages. He was an excellent signing for us at the time for the fee and where we were. Howver, he is simply not good enough for where we want to be now. He seems to be highly rated by people outside of the club, (lots of pundits) who watch him on highlight reels, (for Scotland mostly I think). My best hope for him was that we could offload him to Man Utd or Arsenal for an inflated fee, but I think that boat has long sailed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 21, 2022, 07:20:18 AM
For all the criticism of McGinn's appointment, and what he does and doesn't bring to the role, not one of us sees him in the changing room before and during games. Not one of us sees him on the training pitch day in day out. Not one of us watches him engaging with his teammates one-on-one when things are going well or badly.

It might turn out to be a terrible appointment, but there is little reason to believe it was done for any other reason other than "he was the best candidate for the job" based on the above observations of the management team.

People were slamming Mings last season, insisting we needed an upgrade in defence, or that he had to improve.  So if he's NOT the captain, who realistically could it otherwise be?  Assuming you don't want a keeper as your on-field captain.

First and foremost he has to put in better performances for the team, because if he doesn't, he'll get dropped.  We know he's capable of better. We've seen it.

Yes, he was great in the championship. How often in the PL? People were pointing out his bad form in our first season up, then he got injured and became the messiah.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 21, 2022, 08:05:52 AM
Well that was not a captains performance! Totally invisible for most of the game apart from fouling Zaha!

Zaha has him on a string!

Look back and pre-season we were poor but not losing. Gerrard then went and upset the dressing room by giving the Scottish Mr. Blobby the armband.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 21, 2022, 08:23:29 AM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 21, 2022, 02:49:45 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.

And yet he's our captain. What must the manager be on?

God knows. I said it was a bad decision by Gerrard when it was announced.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: rob_bridge on August 21, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
Type of player other fans love as only see snippets
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: BC Villain on August 21, 2022, 04:11:01 PM
39 touches, 10 less than Emi1.
13 turnovers
19 completed passes
36’ Yellow

Where’s the super gone?

And by all accounts bolted straight down the tunnel at full-time yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 21, 2022, 06:23:08 PM
For all the criticism of McGinn's appointment, and what he does and doesn't bring to the role, not one of us sees him in the changing room before and during games. Not one of us sees him on the training pitch day in day out. Not one of us watches him engaging with his teammates one-on-one when things are going well or badly.

It might turn out to be a terrible appointment, but there is little reason to believe it was done for any other reason other than "he was the best candidate for the job" based on the above observations of the management team.

People were slamming Mings last season, insisting we needed an upgrade in defence, or that he had to improve.  So if he's NOT the captain, who realistically could it otherwise be?  Assuming you don't want a keeper as your on-field captain.

First and foremost he has to put in better performances for the team, because if he doesn't, he'll get dropped.  We know he's capable of better. We've seen it.

Yes, he was great in the championship. How often in the PL? People were pointing out his bad form in our first season up, then he got injured and became the messiah.

I think he was probably one of if not our best performers in those first few months of the first season back, then he got that horrible injury against Southampton. I don’t really think he’s been the same player since.
The captaincy just over complicates everything, if we do manage to get another midfielder in, it shouldn’t automatically be Ramsey that drops out, but it’ll just seem controversial ‘dropping’ the captain. If pre Carlos injury, Mings wasn’t going  to be an automatic starter, it should of just gone to Martinez. Loris does fine at Spurs. It'll just be an unnecessary distraction.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Small Rodent on August 21, 2022, 06:29:28 PM
It’s a tough one. What is captain material?

What a fan wants may be way different to what a team wants.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 21, 2022, 06:33:53 PM
It’s a tough one. What is captain material?

What a fan wants may be way different to what a team wants.

I guess it how the manager wants a player to lead.

Some shout & organise. Others lead by their performance.

McGinn doesn’t do either
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ads on August 21, 2022, 06:34:33 PM
He's not played well since January in the Cup at Man United. He gives the ball away so easily.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 21, 2022, 06:37:55 PM
He's not played well since January in the Cup at Man United. He gives the ball away so easily.

Sometimes the ball is at his feet and he still doesn’t know where it is. Ends up bending over and going round in circles.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 21, 2022, 07:02:31 PM
I ho0e whoever takes his place on Tuesday has a blinder so he has to be left out. The midfield conundrum will not be sorted whilst he is in the side
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 07:48:42 PM
Let’s not rewrite things here. John McGinn has paid for himself many, many times over. He’s played some superb games for us. But as we aimed higher he has shown that he’s not at the level we need. A brilliant squad player to have but he should not be starting and not captain. I thought it might elevate him but he just doesn’t have the quality.

Football 365.
John McGinn: The grease monkey whose Aston Villa fee ‘was an absolute disgrace’
By John Nicholson

Little snippet from the article
'McGinn is the WD40 that oils the wheels of The Machine. He is the grease monkey. He is the boiler room which you stoke to deliver the goods.

While his 12 assists in the last three seasons are decent, they don’t document his role in creating the assists, often being the fourth or third pass in the move, but making the most important. There must be a deep cut stat for that – ‘expected forward progressions’, perhaps.'
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 07:51:01 PM
It’s a tough one. What is captain material?

What a fan wants may be way different to what a team wants.

I guess it how the manager wants a player to lead.

Some shout & organise. Others lead by their performance.

McGinn doesn’t do either

'it seems that Steven Gerrard understands how important John is to Aston Villa, giving him the captain’s armband this season, saying: “He is universally respected, he has been around the club for a long time, the fans adore him and everyone around Bodymoor (the club’s training ground), everyone around Villa Park, have got major respect for John, his peers have, he plays with consistency, he is my type of player and that is a few reasons why I decided to go with him.”

You can’t say fairer than that, can you?

At his best, he is the fountain from which all things flow. For those of us who saw him on the way up, it’s something of a vindication.

He’ll be 30 by the end of his current contract, at which point it’d be good to see him return to Scotland. I don’t know if Celtic hold a bit of a grudge about him because their bids were rejected, but he plays the kind of football that Celtic like to play and it would be an obvious move for this excellent midfielder'

Full article
https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-mcginn-aston-villa-fee-absolute-disgrace-hibernian-scotland
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2022, 07:59:46 PM
Type of player other fans love as only see snippets


Yep funnily enough I was having the same conversation with a couple of players I play 6-a-side with tonight. Their perception was that Villa fans  think he’s brilliant at everything he does.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 09:43:31 PM
Type of player other fans love as only see snippets


Yep funnily enough I was having the same conversation with a couple of players I play 6-a-side with tonight. Their perception was that Villa fans  think he’s brilliant at everything he does.
Thats been happening to me regards perceptions by non villa followers over this weekend in similar ways. This was in regards Gerrard leaving out Coutinho and why we obviously lost the match to Palace because of not selecting him.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2022, 09:31:08 PM
It pains me to say it but he looks finished as a top tier footballer. Struggled all night to get into the game vs League 1 opponents. Just a shadow of the player he once was. It wasn’t a good display by the team but he has stood out for just how much worse he was than the rest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on August 23, 2022, 09:57:50 PM
He is good enough at this level but I’ve absolutely no idea what’s happened to him. Sad to see but I live in hope.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: richtheholtender on August 23, 2022, 10:02:47 PM
He's clearly struggling with confidence, the lack of support in the stands is poor. Not once was his song sing tonight to encourage him. Putting that to one side, at the risk of going over old ground, he is one of the players that does need an upgrade if we're to improve our league position. It's not a surprise that nobody is going to give us one for free so guess what....we need to spend a little bit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 23, 2022, 10:12:48 PM
He looks completely fucked.
Needs a rest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithe on August 23, 2022, 10:14:08 PM
He was very good second half v Everton. In his defence, he is always looking to get us going forward with a long pass to the channels for the forwards. That’s risky and when it doesn’t come off its noticeable.

He just seems to lack the energy he had previously, I thought we’d lose him to Liverpool who want that in their press but now, he’s lucky, very lucky, to get a game for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: TonyD on August 23, 2022, 10:15:15 PM
Yep.  I think he needs a couple of games off.  And come back via the bench.  Something ain’t right. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve kirk on August 23, 2022, 10:18:43 PM
Type of player other fans love as only see snippets

This
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brian green on August 23, 2022, 10:19:29 PM
He looks bloated to me. A strict diet and a week or two off the falling down water could be what he needs to find his old form.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: richtheholtender on August 23, 2022, 10:20:02 PM
The fans were lording up Mings at the end and John just didn't want any of it. He comes across as though he thinks we think Tyrone is still the captain. I feel for him, he doesn't want this captaincy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tony scott on August 23, 2022, 10:39:46 PM
Just maybe ,SG having noticed John s’indifferent form, hoped the captaincy could revive his form on the pitch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2022, 10:41:56 PM
Looks lost and not capable of what he is being asked to do.  The formation is hampering a number of the players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2022, 10:44:43 PM
Looks lost and not capable of what he is being asked to do.  The formation is hampering a number of the players.

He's a midfielder being to asked to play in midfield. If he can't manage that, he needs to be sold.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: DB on August 23, 2022, 11:02:29 PM
He looks completely fucked.
Needs a rest.

It’s August.
If he is fucked, then something is wrong.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Richard on August 23, 2022, 11:06:25 PM
He looks completely fucked.
Needs a rest.

It’s August.
If he is fucked, then something is wrong.

Didn't Scotland play loads of games in June or something. Not totally excusing him, he just needs to be not starting every game, captain or not.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2022, 11:17:58 PM
Looks lost and not capable of what he is being asked to do.  The formation is hampering a number of the players.

He's a midfielder being to asked to play in midfield. If he can't manage that, he needs to be sold.

He's being asked to drop in to deep areas, pick the ball up from central defenders and play out from there.  No problem if you're Gordon Cowans, but he just isn't that type of player. 

He was very poor for the majority of the game tonight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AndyB6 on August 23, 2022, 11:20:39 PM
He seems to lack awareness and composure. Too often looks for the 'Hollywood' ball instead of simply retaining possession for the team.
A captain needs to be a calming influence (at times) not just continually pump the ball forwards.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villan82 on August 23, 2022, 11:25:20 PM
 There is a lot of revisionism about McGinn recently. He took to the premier-league like a duck to water in 2019 and was pretty good the following season too. When Gerrard first came in last season McGinn did well- was my man of the match in the FA cup game at Old Trafford.

He has been out of sorts since then but I feel sometimes our fans are too quick to get on a player's back. He probably needs a rest but I would be confident that he can find his form again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mellin on August 23, 2022, 11:30:28 PM
Yep. Remember how gutted we all were when he was injured against Brighton. He was flying. The ability is there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on August 23, 2022, 11:31:24 PM
There is a lot of revisionism about McGinn recently. He took to the premier-league like a duck to water in 2019 and was pretty good the following season too. When Gerrard first came in last season McGinn did well- was my man of the match in the FA cup game at Old Trafford.

He has been out of sorts since then but I feel sometimes our fans are too quick to get on a player's back. He probably needs a rest but I would be confident that he can find his form again.

I don't think we've been quick to get on his back. I don't think most people would've had him dropped for the first game of the season, for instance. I just think he's been so abject - and so noticeably below what we know he can do - that we've been left with no choice but to question his place in the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2022, 11:36:44 PM
He started well in the prem,  but was struggling a little before the ankle break and took a long time to get anywhere close to the player he was before when he came back. Since then he's been very up and down,  the odd outstanding game covering the next 3-4 bang average ones,  mixed in with the odd complete stinker.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2022, 11:43:48 PM
The McGinn who we see play superbly for Scotland does it against mostly shit opponents. So if he can’t elevate his game to PL level that’s one things. Tonight was akin to playing the Faroes. And he was still very poor indeed. Most other PL clubs wouldn’t find a spot for him in the starting line up. He’s our captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2022, 11:59:47 PM
Yep. Remember how gutted we all were when he was injured against Brighton. He was flying. The ability is there.

I don’t think he was flying at all. I remember thinking people were too despondent considering he wasn’t playing very well. Nothing wrong with being gutted for him by the way, but I wasn’t gutted for our prospects.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeonW on August 24, 2022, 12:19:06 AM
McGinn’s off days are really off and his good days aren’t enough. That’s fine for a winger but as a central midfielder his number one priority is not to lose possession and unfortunately, he can’t manage that consistently enough. He’s played in this system long enough to know it by now. I don’t think he’s totally a lost cause mind. I just think he needs to be less emotional in how and when he engages the opposition and more reserved in possession. If Gerrard wants him to constantly play long diagonals consistently under pressure then that’s on Gerrard as it’s just not sometime he can do consistently enough.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2022, 12:58:37 AM
Apart from with Scotland, McGinn  has had to work with a mix of idiot and poor coaches. Sometimes a change is as good as a rest. His job is always undervalued, we prefer to talk about one touch Coutinho made rather than the number of ankles SJM clipped. Horses for courses. McGinn is there to do the dirty work but as Kamara is showing, it doesn't always have to be in the gutter.

He'll be hard to replace but right now he looks like he's ready for the knacher's yard. Cash in now as next summer, like AEG and Watkins last summer, his value will be halved or more in 12 months time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 24, 2022, 05:31:57 AM
2 things.
1.He does not look technically suited to the role he is being asked to play. ( the set up makes it very difficult)
2. physically he does not look right.

The only person that can not see that he is struggling is the Manager which is baffling.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: sid1964 on August 24, 2022, 06:02:05 AM
Last night thought he did okay like everyone else who started the game
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 24, 2022, 06:59:36 AM
He looks completely fucked.
Needs a rest.

It’s August.
If he is fucked, then something is wrong.

If he started using his brains before his legs he’d not be so fucked.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on August 24, 2022, 07:53:03 AM
He looks completely fucked.
Needs a rest.
But they have had a full pre-season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on August 24, 2022, 08:35:32 AM
2 things.
1.He does not look technically suited to the role he is being asked to play. ( the set up makes it very difficult)
2. physically he does not look right.

The only person that can not see that he is struggling is the Manager which is baffling.

The first one is the most important. He hasnt the skills to play that role. Does not want to be getting the ball on the half turn. He also doesn't play like a midfielder. Every second pass is a highly ambitious one. Felt sorry for him last night as very little was working. Missed goal chance near end was a bit of a sitter too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: nick harper on August 24, 2022, 09:11:03 AM
His touch is way off, either massively over hit or way too short. A sign of hesitancy, a lack of confidence, over keen to get rid of it quickly. He seems unhappy on the pitch and in conflict with himself.

Maybe the burden of captaincy is too much. I think he finds the role he is being asked to play really difficult - the manager’s made things worse for him but looks like there is no choice but to hope he plays himself back into form.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on August 24, 2022, 09:14:58 AM
He seems to lack awareness and composure. Too often looks for the 'Hollywood' ball instead of simply retaining possession for the team.
A captain needs to be a calming influence (at times) not just continually pump the ball forwards.

I think you're spot on with this, it's composure that's lacking, not abillity.

I think it's something that whole team is lacking.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2022, 09:15:10 AM
He played okay last night, particularly i the first half playing on the left of midfield.
His performance deteriorated through the game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2022, 09:23:15 AM
I think people were over the top with their criticism last season. A number of times the way we insisted on playing the ball out from the back meant that McGinn would often be getting the ball facing the wrong way and with two opposition players closing him down. Nine times out of ten he'd wriggle his way out of trouble, usually utilising his Bravearse, but the one out of ten he wouldn't and would get massive stick on here.

This season, he seems to have gone backwards. Leggy in possession, prone to giving the ball away and struggling to have any impact further up the pitch. Not sure if anything to do with the captaincy but hope he sorts it out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on August 24, 2022, 10:01:25 AM
He is out of form and needs a break. It shouldn't be a big deal to rest a player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 24, 2022, 10:20:57 AM
He is out of form and needs a break. It shouldn't be a big deal to rest a player.

You're right, it shouldn't. But then he went and made him captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 24, 2022, 10:54:20 AM
Followed on from the weekend with another terrible performance last night, worst player on the pitch for me.

Tim came on and looked class. I would love to see Tim and Bouba v Spammers!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2022, 11:01:55 AM
He is out of form and needs a break. It shouldn't be a big deal to rest a player.

You're right, it shouldn't. But then he went and made him captain.

And then said it wouldn’t make him undroppable despite him getting picked every time despite looking dreadful for months.

What a mess. Was it worth all that mess with Mings to make him captain?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 24, 2022, 11:09:01 AM
Definitely not captain material. Why would you put the class clown as head boy?

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Baldy on August 24, 2022, 11:24:15 AM
Wholehearted, a trier, would run through a brick wall for Aston Villa and probably why he was made captain. Sets a good example to others for work ethic.

Unfortunately, does not have the required quality. Lacks composure, finesse and a footballing brain. Reminds me of a 'spinning top' on speed. Too frantic.  Gives away possession to often, lost the scoring touch and a dodgy tackler.

McGinn, a top bloke but alas, not what we need in the starting eleven if we are to move forward.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 24, 2022, 11:36:26 AM
Followed on from the weekend with another terrible performance last night, worst player on the pitch for me.

Tim came on and looked class. I would love to see Tim and Bouba v Spammers!


yep with Buendia Bailey and Ramsey  in front and Archer up top
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: mrfuse on August 24, 2022, 11:55:51 AM
He is out of form and needs a break. It shouldn't be a big deal to rest a player.

You're right, it shouldn't. But then he went and made him captain.

And then said it wouldn’t make him undroppable despite him getting picked every time despite looking dreadful for months.

What a mess. Was it worth all that mess with Mings to make him captain?

Totally agree, we seem to have enough issues without Gerrard putting more pressure on himself by making McGinn captain. I think he had in mind that if McGinn lost form somewhere down the line it wouldn't be an issue dropping him. Realising now to drop him this this early makes his decision even worse.

I think this is why Gerrard being our Manager is worrying us as he should have realised that McGinn has been out of form for some time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 24, 2022, 11:57:07 AM
McGinn's stats are pretty damn good though, regardless of what people may feel they see.

From one-versus-one

He has scored 3 times after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. This makes him the number 102 scorer in the Premier League so far. His conversion rate for shots to goals is 37.

John McGinn has 4 assists after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. With these statistics he ranks number 41 in the Premier League. He also has a total of 26 chances created. With these statistics he ranks number 36 in the Premier League.

In season 2021/2022. He has won 57 aerial duels and 176 tackles. On top of this he made a total of 14 blocks. Based on these statistics after match day 38 he ranks on number 2 in the Premier League.

He is a Midfielder - Right central in Aston Villa. Within his team of Aston Villa he is currently ranked 1 best player of his team based on our 1vs1 Index Aston Villa.

Also.... McGinn won more tackles than any other Premier League player last season and won more fouls than anyone else bar Zaha. He was the 20th biggest threat going forwards too.

In summary he's an all-round player with a great attitude.

Part of the reason Mings lost it in my view is that he was top of the Yellow Card list last season (and his partner Konsa top of the Red Card list.)

Just quoting myself because these are last season's stats.

He may be off-form right now, but the above suggest he's a decent player and surely can't be ready for the knacker's yard just yet?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on August 24, 2022, 12:16:06 PM
I'd also like to add that making him captain was probably based on that.

In the Premier League this season he's 4th for pass interceptions in the opponents half, 9th in successful tackles.

Going forward he's not faring very well....

Anyway, his stats are here https://one-versus-one.com/en/players/john-mcginn
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brian green on August 24, 2022, 12:26:39 PM
Who was it said "there are lies, damned lies and statistics"?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aev on August 24, 2022, 12:47:40 PM
Who was it said "there are lies, damned lies and statistics"?

erm, was it J Mcginniesta?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: KRS on August 24, 2022, 01:39:03 PM
Sometimes the ball is at his feet and he still doesn’t know where it is. Ends up bending over and going round in circles.
As others have said, I don’t think he looks right physically (although he looked a bit trimmer in the tunnel last night), but I know exactly what you mean and I’ve thought that he may have some balance/eyesight issues the way he’s been playing. Some of the challenges he was making last night were so clumsy that he looked half cut.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 24, 2022, 01:53:01 PM
He seems to lack awareness and composure. Too often looks for the 'Hollywood' ball instead of simply retaining possession for the team.
A captain needs to be a calming influence (at times) not just continually pump the ball forwards.

Nail on head - he loses possession so often its embarrassing. His control makes Heskey look like Messi at times
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 24, 2022, 02:41:52 PM
I do not think he is a terrible player but he so out of form and looks like he is struggling physically.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: usav on August 24, 2022, 03:19:45 PM
I don't think he is terrible either, he's just not at the level we need anymore - and it shows.   He is 28 in October, so not a youngster.   If you look where he has excelled, it was for Hibs in a sub-par Scottish league, it was for us in the Championship and somewhat during our first season back in the Prem.  Since then, it has been downhill or at least no progression.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 24, 2022, 03:26:54 PM
The stats back up his form.  48 passes last night, 72% accuracy.  Against Palace, 28 passes at 71%.  For comparison, Luiz, 52 passes at 94% accuracy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2022, 03:59:10 PM
Perhaps I have lower standards than other people but I can’t say that he’s been anything like as bad as has been suggested.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on August 24, 2022, 05:48:13 PM
The stats back up his form.  48 passes last night, 72% accuracy.  Against Palace, 28 passes at 71%.  For comparison, Luiz, 52 passes at 94% accuracy.

Luiz can be quite safe in his passing though, does irk me when he doesn't turn on the ball instead playing unnecessary 1-2s with FBs and CBs and then turning. I don't mind McGinn taking occasional risks with his passes but it's far too often from deep. His shooting from distance is terrible and lately his first touch is abysmal.

If Gerrard's going to let him play his way into form, then it has to be on the left side of Kamara. Ramsey is struggling too so it's the likely change. Sanson and Nakamba (on bench v Palace but not in squad last night?) must be finished under Gerrard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2022, 03:26:36 PM
I'm reading and hearing he's not having a great game. 68 mins gone v West Ham. Having only followed since start of second half.
Sounds like he lucky not to have been taken off as he's not driving the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on August 28, 2022, 03:27:03 PM
Shite
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on August 28, 2022, 04:02:46 PM
He's off form. He needs a rest (polite way of saying dropped). I don't blame him, it happens to everyone, the issue is that the manager insists on continually playing him and not subbing him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2022, 04:16:53 PM
The stats back up his form.  48 passes last night, 72% accuracy.  Against Palace, 28 passes at 71%.  For comparison, Luiz, 52 passes at 94% accuracy.

Luiz can be quite safe in his passing though, does irk me when he doesn't turn on the ball instead playing unnecessary 1-2s with FBs and CBs and then turning. I don't mind McGinn taking occasional risks with his passes but it's far too often from deep. His shooting from distance is terrible and lately his first touch is abysmal.

If Gerrard's going to let him play his way into form, then it has to be on the left side of Kamara. Ramsey is struggling too so it's the likely change. Sanson and Nakamba (on bench v Palace but not in squad last night?) must be finished under Gerrard.

Poor on left of three aswell. Horrific when he switched back to right of Kamara after Luiz went off. Felt sorry for him, he never asked to be captain and is getting it in the neck instead of Gerrard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 04:41:26 PM
In what way is Gerrard not getting it in the neck?!

McGinn was decent first half but his usual shit self second half. If he ever shoots at goal again he should be fined a year’s wages..
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: villainabroad on August 28, 2022, 04:42:08 PM
Feel sorry for him. He needs to be dropped (ironically, it seems like he might need to 'concentrate on his football'), but will SG do it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on August 28, 2022, 04:44:47 PM
I don't. He is a truly rubbish captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: villainabroad on August 28, 2022, 04:47:05 PM
I agree about him being a rubbish captain (as in it shouldn't be him - a rubbish choice). But I feel sorry for him because I think he'll be the scapegoat of the current shite times we're going through. He'll be the one to get the boos on the field when they should be directed at the man on the bench. Which won't help him or the team.

Having said that, if I was at the ground I'd probably be booing him too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2022, 04:51:27 PM
The decision to make McGinn captain and the related insistence on him playing is what’s the main thing that’s going to cost him his job. Taking Doug off instead of McGinn today cost us the game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2022, 05:05:47 PM
Doug knew it was the wrong decision too. Sat there head in his hands. We lost all balance in midfield and they attacked at will down that side once McGinn moved to the right. Ramsey nor McGinn can play in this formation, neither has the discipline or awareness. Ramsey should be the spearhead of a 3 man midfield with 2 sitting deep and 2 wide forwards feeding a striker.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: levico on August 28, 2022, 05:08:42 PM
Just when I thought his performances had reached rock bottom — today topped everything. I used to really enjoy watching him play now I wince every time I see his name on the teamsheet.

Sell him while the greater football world thing he’s still good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 28, 2022, 05:13:16 PM
We got what we wanted, him subbed for Archer ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: manic-road on August 28, 2022, 05:38:27 PM
Just when I thought his performances had reached rock bottom — today topped everything. I used to really enjoy watching him play now I wince every time I see his name on the teamsheet.

Sell him while the greater football world thing he’s still good.

He was better today than last week, I thought he was ok first half today but disappeared second half.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 28, 2022, 05:40:33 PM
Just when I thought his performances had reached rock bottom — today topped everything. I used to really enjoy watching him play now I wince every time I see his name on the teamsheet.

Sell him while the greater football world thing he’s still good.

He was better today than last week, I thought he was ok first half today but disappeared second half.

Mainly because first half both teams appeared to have agreed on playing walking football. As soon as they upped the pace in tve second half we we were lost. The Luiz substitution that sent McGinn back to the right killed us and him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2022, 05:43:28 PM
Doug knew it was the wrong decision too. Sat there head in his hands. We lost all balance in midfield and they attacked at will down that side once McGinn moved to the right. Ramsey nor McGinn can play in this formation, neither has the discipline or awareness. Ramsey should be the spearhead of a 3 man midfield with 2 sitting deep and 2 wide forwards feeding a striker.
Yes wrong subs.Sitting in my sedate seat in the upper Witton End I normally never scream but I did today when Steven did what he did. Ramsey came on to play on the left but went awol when Rice ran through on the left and Kamara (MotM by the way) was forced to foul him and give away a dangerous free kick. And for the first time I must say I was totally disappointed with McGinn. I did not expect  him to stay on the oitch in the second half.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2022, 05:47:03 PM
Just when I thought his performances had reached rock bottom — today topped everything. I used to really enjoy watching him play now I wince every time I see his name on the teamsheet.

Sell him while the greater football world thing he’s still good.

He was better today than last week, I thought he was ok first half today but disappeared second half.

Agreed. It was obvious he'd been given instructions to shut down Rice and he did just that comfortably for most of the game. His passing was very hit or miss, some great moments immediately followed by some shocking passes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 07:27:31 PM
I thought first half he was very good. We were all worried about the midfield being bullied before the game, but it didn't happen. His passing was good too. Second half, same old shit though, not helped by having Ramsey next to him. That lad has regressed alarmingly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2022, 07:31:19 PM
I thought were good without creating anything of significance and not even a proper shot on goal. How often did we really test the keeper. The most he did was pick the ball out of the net on an offside goal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LukeJames on August 28, 2022, 07:32:19 PM
I thought first ha;f he was b=very good.
I agree with this... if it means what I think it does. He was decent up until the slip to put Bowrn through.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2022, 08:01:18 PM
I thought first half he was very good. We were all worried about the midfield being bullied before the game, but it didn't happen. His passing was good too. Second half, same old shit though, not helped by having Ramsey next to him. That lad has regressed alarmingly.

I agree Risso.  I actually thought he looked a bit more like his old self today and was a bit sharper in general.  Thought he tired as the game went in though, not helped by the fact that the formation requires him to constantly make up a considerable amount of ground to close down the opposition full-back. 

He has been poor recently, but honestly didn’t think he was too bad today. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 28, 2022, 08:22:13 PM
I thought he was very good first half but all the good work he did by and large was sadly in his own half…which he’s not really all about and why we signed him in the first place.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 08:26:46 PM
His shooting though, fuck me sideways it's abysmal. When was the last time a shot of his didn't smack somebody in the face at the top of the Holte?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 28, 2022, 08:42:07 PM
Looks every inch a Hibernian player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 08:42:54 PM
Why does he run bent over at 45 degrees as well? It looks most odd.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on August 28, 2022, 08:57:01 PM
Well I’d of thought Gerrard being the midfield legend that he is supposed to be our midfield would shine, but in fact everyone one of them have gone backwards.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: WassallVillain on August 28, 2022, 09:39:42 PM
I thought first ha;f he was b=very good.
I agree with this... if it means what I think it does. He was decent up until the slip to put Bowrn through.
It wasn’t a slip from where I saw it. It was a complete mistake. He had a simple nod back to a Villa man but elected to get the ball down and turned into trouble leaving us exposed to that counter.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2022, 10:33:49 PM
Has McGinn done a post match interview yet? I don’t recall one. I don’t even know if he wants to be captain. It certainly hasn’t elevated his game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 10:48:22 PM
Has McGinn done a post match interview yet? I don’t recall one. I don’t even know if he wants to be captain. It certainly hasn’t elevated his game.

Don't remember seeing one. Konsa has stepped up a couple of times though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 28, 2022, 11:06:43 PM
He leads by example. He's been shite and so has the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2022, 03:08:06 AM
I thought he was ok in the first half but soon tired in the second.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: villabear on August 29, 2022, 03:50:10 AM
I thought he was ok in the first half but soon tired in the second.

Tired. Four games into the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2022, 03:50:59 AM
I thought he was ok in the first half but soon tired in the second.

Tired. Four games into the season.
see Coutinho Phil.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 29, 2022, 04:12:42 AM
Has McGinn done a post match interview yet? I don’t recall one. I don’t even know if he wants to be captain. It certainly hasn’t elevated his game.

Thought this myself. He defo seems to be ducking at the minute
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2022, 07:15:13 PM
Come on Captain time to show something
He enjoys playing here.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Has McGinn done a post match interview yet? I don’t recall one. I don’t even know if he wants to be captain. It certainly hasn’t elevated his game.

Thought this myself. He defo seems to be ducking at the minute

John McGinn defends Steven Gerrard after Aston Villa lose to Arsenal.

McGinn the Captain has spoken

"We were standoffish in the first half. Douglas scored a great goal and we were right back in it and then we make the same mistakes over and over again and we were punished.
It is about us as players taking responsibility and being more streetwise. We need to start getting results and we are all aware of it.

It would be a bigger problem if the effort wasn’t there. But we seem to be weak when we score a goal. It is something we need to improve if we are to take the club where we want to.
If you don’t perform you get criticism and you can either go into your shell and worry or you can puff your chest out and try to do something about it. It is not going to turn overnight.
It has nothing to do with the manager. Players are put out to do jobs and if we don’t perform those jobs it is our responsibility. Arsenal were in a similar position last season and stuck with it and got it right"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 03, 2022, 09:13:47 PM
We were so much quicker once McGinn went off. The attacking play was more fluid and less predictable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 03, 2022, 09:57:29 PM
Hopefully the penny is starting to drop with Gerrard that McGinn isn't good enough to start. The midfield three looked much better when it was Ramsey, Luiz and Kamara. I'd start with that next week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on September 03, 2022, 10:38:30 PM
Hopefully the penny is starting to drop with Gerrard that McGinn isn't good enough to start. The midfield three looked much better when it was Ramsey, Luiz and Kamara. I'd start with that next week.

I agree, but would replace him with Dendonker to give us the extra beef.  Free the others up to get forward and still give us the defensive cover.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Matt C on September 04, 2022, 12:41:04 AM
Couple of weeks out of the firing line might do him good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 04, 2022, 01:49:34 AM
Hopefully the penny is starting to drop with Gerrard that McGinn isn't good enough to start. The midfield three looked much better when it was Ramsey, Luiz and Kamara. I'd start with that next week.

I agree, but would replace him with Dendonker to give us the extra beef.  Free the others up to get forward and still give us the defensive cover.
ATM, absolutely!
For whatever reason, he's not playing like SJM.
For me he's gone from being the fulcrum of our play to being a bit of a liability!
Had Dendoncker been fit today, who would have dropped out?
SJM is the obvious choice!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on September 04, 2022, 02:00:20 AM
Funnily enough, I think SJM at his best would be a perfect bench player. A well-rested McGinn from a couple of years ago coming on at HT if we're lacking energy, or on 70 minutes with the brief to go forward against tired defenders, could be so effective.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 04, 2022, 08:24:40 AM
Funnily enough, I think SJM at his best would be a perfect bench player. A well-rested McGinn from a couple of years ago coming on at HT if we're lacking energy, or on 70 minutes with the brief to go forward against tired defenders, could be so effective.
Agree
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 04, 2022, 10:16:40 AM
He's been in poor form for a while now, but he's a very good player. He was useful yesterday in a performance where we had to close players down and press, but subbing him was the right thing to do. He knows he's under pressure at the moment and hopefully his form will pick up again because I love Meatball
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: KRS on September 04, 2022, 01:52:00 PM
I’m not sure what’s happened to SJM. He looks slow, cumbersome, clumsy in the challenge, doesn’t track his man, and looks awkward with the ball at his feet. He needs to be taken out of the team until he gets back to his best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 04, 2022, 01:55:36 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now.  Maybe with his penchant for fried mars bars he just needs a break.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: KevinGage on September 04, 2022, 02:05:14 PM
He looked better early on in SG's stint when he had licence to bomb forward.  Or even to play just like a CM. But playing as an auxiliary left back/ left mid and the captaincy shenanigans may have taken their toll.

Dendocker playing a more disciplined midfield role will probably be the option to go when he's fit enough to come in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 02:25:50 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now. 

Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on September 04, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now. 

Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?

The teams playing in Europe regularly have a depth of squad that allows them to rest players ahead of big games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 02:36:28 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now. 

Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?

The teams playing in Europe regularly have a depth of squad that allows them to rest players ahead of big games.

Their better players still end up playing far more games/minutes than McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 04, 2022, 02:48:45 PM
Cash and Mings played more minutes for us last season, and Watkins wasn't far behind too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on September 04, 2022, 02:52:11 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now. 

Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?

I don’t think he’s in too much danger of being tested on that front.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on September 04, 2022, 02:59:06 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now. 

Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?

The teams playing in Europe regularly have a depth of squad that allows them to rest players ahead of big games.

Their better players still end up playing far more games/minutes than McGinn.

Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 04, 2022, 03:01:32 PM
In the previous 2 years McGinn played 92 games for club and country, de Bruyne has played 97, Foden 108, Havertz 110, Salah 119. As a few examples of players that are in teams that have regular cup runs.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: danno on September 04, 2022, 03:38:58 PM
In the previous 2 years McGinn played 92 games for club and country, de Bruyne has played 97, Foden 108, Havertz 110, Salah 119. As a few examples of players that are in teams that have regular cup runs.

Isn't the old adage that you generally work harder/run more out of possession?  How often does De Bruyne for example have to tear about chasing after the ball?

Liverpool Man City etc do have high pressing styles but they only have to do it for small parts of the match, the rest of the time they dominate possession and knock it around.

Im not actually defending McGinn here, I just think playing 40 games playing for a bottom half side is tougher than playing 50 games for a champions league side.  I think it's partly why players like Carrick Lampard etc careers lasted so long.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 04, 2022, 04:02:16 PM
How many times have we been able to take McGinn off after seventy minutes because we're three up and coasting? How many times has he been able to stroll through a game because you know we're going to win in second gear? Or leave him on the bench because we've got someone almost as good to start? The same goes for every Villa player - it's only really been the past two seasons when we've had nothing to play for after Christmas since about 2005.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: DB on September 04, 2022, 04:11:46 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now. 

Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?

The teams playing in Europe regularly have a depth of squad that allows them to rest players ahead of big games.

Their better players still end up playing far more games/minutes than McGinn.

Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.

I don't think he has ever really proved he can really do it consistently at PL level. As mentioned, good option from the bench.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 04:24:58 PM

Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.

That just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. McGinn is "getting a rest" every midweek when other players are playing midweek European games.

Last season McGinn played 3,092 minutes in the Premier League, and 90 minutes in the FA Cup. Bruno Fernandes played 3,120 minutes in the Premier League, and 520 in the Champions League.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on September 04, 2022, 04:31:28 PM

Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.

That just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. McGinn is "getting a rest" every midweek when other players are playing midweek European games.

Last season McGinn played 3,092 minutes in the Premier League, and 90 minutes in the FA Cup. Bruno Fernandes played 3,120 minutes in the Premier League, and 520 in the Champions League.

McGinn does have more weight to carry I suppose, actually more in his backside than Bruno weighs altogether.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 04, 2022, 05:16:14 PM
Last few games and he has been subbed so I don't think being captain means much. I am hopeful that Dendonker takes his place
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on September 04, 2022, 05:24:01 PM

Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.

That just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. McGinn is "getting a rest" every midweek when other players are playing midweek European games.

Last season McGinn played 3,092 minutes in the Premier League, and 90 minutes in the FA Cup. Bruno Fernandes played 3,120 minutes in the Premier League, and 520 in the Champions League.

That would all be valid if human beings were all physiologically and psychologically identical. To me he looks like a man who needs a break.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on September 04, 2022, 05:26:04 PM
Does he not look to you a player whose lack of technique (i.e bum-shuffle) has been found-out?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on September 04, 2022, 07:06:12 PM
Does he not look to you a player whose lack of technique (i.e bum-shuffle) has been found-out?

No.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 04, 2022, 07:59:36 PM
I reckon he would be a different player once he has a month off.  Unfortunately, he is also preparing for the World Cup.  He has bought a new telly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 09:12:20 PM

That would all be valid if human beings were all physiologically and psychologically identical. To me he looks like a man who needs a break.

He's welcome to rest of the season off. If we're going to add "not fit enough" to "not good enough" he's even less use than I thought.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: KRS on September 04, 2022, 09:43:22 PM
I’ve checked the dates and the captaincy announcement was on or around 27th July, so we only had the game against Rennes when he was officially captain. Is the captaincy weighing too heavy on his shoulders because he looks like he’s running in mud most of the time? What was his form and fitness like in the other pre-season games? Was he way off the pace in those games too?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 05, 2022, 01:06:07 AM
I don’t think he’s captain material in a million years.  I’ve not seen him leading or coaching or coaxing or even talking to the players in one match.  He is someone that just needs to be allowed to play his game.  Terrible decision by the manager.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 05, 2022, 01:08:50 AM
I don’t think he’s captain material in a million years.  I’ve not seen him leading or coaching or coaxing or even talking to the players in one match.  He is someone that just needs to be allowed to play his game.  Terrible decision by the manager.

It is one of the strangest things for me, he really doesn't come across as captain material at all. He's a 'character', not a 'leader'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: rooboy316 on September 05, 2022, 02:41:05 AM
Does he not look to you a player whose lack of technique (i.e bum-shuffle) has been found-out?
I've noticed this a couple of times this year. Players have been pressing him, but standing off enough that he can't engage them physically. Forces him to turn/make a decision, instead of using his ample asset.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 05, 2022, 05:51:39 PM
Has McGinn done a post match interview yet? I don’t recall one. I don’t even know if he wants to be captain. It certainly hasn’t elevated his game.

Don't remember seeing one. Konsa has stepped up a couple of times though.

Yes.  And doesn’t exactly look comfortable.

https://youtu.be/OHpCFoCgJWI
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 05, 2022, 07:46:22 PM
Given how much Mings DOES come across as a captain, it looks a really poorly judged decision by Gerrard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on September 05, 2022, 08:49:01 PM
Given how much Mings DOES come across as a captain, it looks a really poorly judged decision by Gerrard.

Replacing Carlos with Mings you could argue was a football decision until Gerrard made a complete mess of it over the summer. Making McGinn captain was the real problem, under performing senior player that's SJM I'm afraid.

If I recall correctly, Deano dropped McGinn for a game or two in the championship and he finished the season great. He only came on at St Andrews the day Grealish got hit and did well from memory. Maybe this will do the trick again, I'd like to see him further forward anyway. If/when we switch to 4231 he can compete for a spot in the three. Pressing with likes of Ramsey from the front. Not taking ball off his centre backs. 433 is not his friend.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: frank on September 05, 2022, 08:50:00 PM
I’ve not seen him leading or coaching or coaxing or even talking to the players in one match. 
I was watching him on Saturday and I agree with you. He occasionally waved an arm, and that was it. Mings, however, was constantly shouting, gesturing and encouraging.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 06, 2022, 10:00:06 AM
https://twitter.com/Total_Villa/status/1566823477797130240?t=UjCAz7IvGB5BICQ_wIsekA&s=19
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2022, 10:02:21 AM
61% pass accuracy, that's abysmal. Goalkeepers normally do better than that, and most of their "passes" are big wellies up the pitch!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 06, 2022, 10:09:28 AM
Not a single tackle and dispossessed 10 times, it sounds like he was asleep
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on September 06, 2022, 10:28:42 AM

Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.

That just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. McGinn is "getting a rest" every midweek when other players are playing midweek European games.

Last season McGinn played 3,092 minutes in the Premier League, and 90 minutes in the FA Cup. Bruno Fernandes played 3,120 minutes in the Premier League, and 520 in the Champions League.

Maybe that's the difference, the players you've cited are match-fit. They play more regularly and therefore stay at Peak Fitness, whereas McGinn and the rest of our crew (who do less running overall than anyone else) just aren't fit enough.

I'd hope it's something that is being worked on behind the scenes, because we need more days like Saturday where they are running, chasing, pressing etc. all through the game. If our players can play at that intensity every week, and let's face it there's no excuse not to be, then we would be flying.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on September 06, 2022, 10:30:01 AM
I love the guy to bits, and I still think at his best he's a great player, but we've not seen it for a long time and he needs time out of the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on September 06, 2022, 10:30:18 AM
61% pass accuracy, that's abysmal. Goalkeepers normally do better than that, and most of their "passes" are big wellies up the pitch!

Thankfully it appears you're right on that, I'm sick of us tippy tappying it around our 6 yard box.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2022, 10:31:41 AM

Maybe that's the difference, the players you've cited are match-fit. They play more regularly and therefore stay at Peak Fitness, whereas McGinn and the rest of our crew (who do less running overall than anyone else) just aren't fit enough.

I'd hope it's something that is being worked on behind the scenes, because we need more days like Saturday where they are running, chasing, pressing etc. all through the game. If our players can play at that intensity every week, and let's face it there's no excuse not to be, then we would be flying.

I don't think it's that to be honest. Whatever people think of their current form, you couldn't accuse Cash, Digne or Watkins of not running enough or lacking fitness. I just don't think McGinn is naturally very athletic.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 06, 2022, 10:44:37 AM
Not a single tackle and dispossessed 10 times, it sounds like he was asleep

Seems he was still chasing around after the City players the following evening, at Grealish's birthday bash.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on September 06, 2022, 10:47:46 AM
I love the guy to bits, and I still think at his best he's a great player, but we've not seen it for a long time and he needs time out of the team.

Agree with this. He's nowhere near the terrible player some posters constantly say he is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on September 06, 2022, 11:13:49 AM

Maybe that's the difference, the players you've cited are match-fit. They play more regularly and therefore stay at Peak Fitness, whereas McGinn and the rest of our crew (who do less running overall than anyone else) just aren't fit enough.

I'd hope it's something that is being worked on behind the scenes, because we need more days like Saturday where they are running, chasing, pressing etc. all through the game. If our players can play at that intensity every week, and let's face it there's no excuse not to be, then we would be flying.

I don't think it's that to be honest. Whatever people think of their current form, you couldn't accuse Cash, Digne or Watkins of not running enough or lacking fitness. I just don't think McGinn is naturally very athletic.

That's my excuse too. But you're probably right. The whole lot of them need to be faster and get better stamina. McGinn, Ings and Coutinho all seem to be sluggish to me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2022, 11:25:12 AM

That's my excuse too. But you're probably right. The whole lot of them need to be faster and get better stamina. McGinn, Ings and Coutinho all seem to be sluggish to me.

I think years of serious injuries have had an effect on Ings. He's not long turned 30 but he looks more like 40 and plays like an old pro right at the end of his career. I don't think we've got a systemic problem as the players I mentioned, plus Ramsey, Buendia, Bailey and Luiz all seem perfectly fit enough. Whatever it is with McGinn though, whether fitness, confidence or whatever, he shouldn't be in the   first team at the moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 06, 2022, 01:49:11 PM

That's my excuse too. But you're probably right. The whole lot of them need to be faster and get better stamina. McGinn, Ings and Coutinho all seem to be sluggish to me.

I think years of serious injuries have had an effect on Ings. He's not long turned 30 but he looks more like 40 and plays like an old pro right at the end of his career. I don't think we've got a systemic problem as the players I mentioned, plus Ramsey, Buendia, Bailey and Luiz all seem perfectly fit enough. Whatever it is with McGinn though, whether fitness, confidence or whatever, he shouldn't be in the   first team at the moment.

Agree. I know a different level and f opposition but id just like to see the 2019 version that never ever stopped running. Anyway, needs to be dropped now, hopefully the big calls Getard made on Saturday are the start of him being braver in his team selections.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2022, 03:22:11 PM

Agree. I know a different level and f opposition but id just like to see the 2019 version that never ever stopped running. Anyway, needs to be dropped now, hopefully the big calls Getard made on Saturday are the start of him being braver in his team selections.

He's dropped Mings, dropped Coutinho and Buendia, now he needs to complete his "I'm the boss" Top Trumps by dropping the one player who really deserves it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on September 06, 2022, 04:26:09 PM

Agree. I know a different level and f opposition but id just like to see the 2019 version that never ever stopped running. Anyway, needs to be dropped now, hopefully the big calls Getard made on Saturday are the start of him being braver in his team selections.

He's dropped Mings, dropped Coutinho and Buendia, now he needs to complete his "I'm the boss" Top Trumps by dropping the one player who really deserves it.

There's no pleasing you is there?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 06, 2022, 04:33:08 PM

Agree. I know a different level and f opposition but id just like to see the 2019 version that never ever stopped running. Anyway, needs to be dropped now, hopefully the big calls Getard made on Saturday are the start of him being braver in his team selections.

He's dropped Mings, dropped Coutinho and Buendia, now he needs to complete his "I'm the boss" Top Trumps by dropping the one player who really deserves it.

There's no pleasing you is there?

It is fair comment, though, isn't it?

McGinn hasn't been the player he was for a long time, but SG has put himself in an awkward position by making him captain and then feeling like he had to say that doesn't make him undroppable, when, based on matches until that point, he'd looked entirely undroppable.

I hope Gerrard puts it all right, but it's hard not to look at what has gone on and reflect that he's brought a lot of unnecessary extra stress on himself.

The bizarre way he handled Mings was even more troubling than the constant McGinn selection.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 06, 2022, 04:37:58 PM
Yes I suspect, hope, that his recent subbing of McGinn is a gradual move away from him being a guaranteed starter. As you say he must be aware he got the Mings stuff wrong, so hopefully he’s realised that and this a more measured approach to ushering McGinn out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 06, 2022, 04:44:01 PM
Yep.

There’s nothing wrong with McGinn if he’s playing well week in, week it, then of course put him in.

It is just that when he doesn’t even have the occasional good game but keeps his place anyway, then we have to organise the whole midfield around him being there (when midfield is the part of the pitch where we have most problems).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 06, 2022, 05:27:51 PM
Damming stats’ the sort of which you’d expect from a youth player being introduced to first team action. You’d then be thinking that player isn’t quite ready. For a captain who has been poor for all opening games it’s proof he needs taking out of the team for now. Super John should not be considered as undroppable because he’s captain or because he’s been very good some time in the past. I can’t even remember his last good game. If he continues to play him and we don’t start winning games then it will be Gerrard who gets the chop. A decision has to be made by Gerrard, not a big one either, an obvious one.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: usav on September 06, 2022, 05:32:12 PM
Yes I suspect, hope, that his recent subbing of McGinn is a gradual move away from him being a guaranteed starter. As you say he must be aware he got the Mings stuff wrong, so hopefully he’s realised that and this a more measured approach to ushering McGinn out.

Curious as to what people think he got wrong with Mings?  He might have picked the wrong person to succeed him as captain, but taking the captaincy away was done with the right intentions as far as I can see.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 06, 2022, 05:45:30 PM
The test will be the next game. We played so much better with McGinn off the pitch and could have won the game at the end because we were better in possession, quicker and far less hesitant with the ball. Something he is huge contributor towards why we are so slow in transition and in attack. Gerrard needs top play one of Coutinho or Buendia in a midfield with JJ, Kamara, Luiz and Bailey. I would have Dendoncker for JJ if we played a better side. But we have to go at this lot from the off and McGinn starting won't help our cause.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2022, 05:50:11 PM

Agree. I know a different level and f opposition but id just like to see the 2019 version that never ever stopped running. Anyway, needs to be dropped now, hopefully the big calls Getard made on Saturday are the start of him being braver in his team selections.

He's dropped Mings, dropped Coutinho and Buendia, now he needs to complete his "I'm the boss" Top Trumps by dropping the one player who really deserves it.

There's no pleasing you is there?

I don't follow. I think he was right to drop Coutinho and Buendia as they've both been below par. I've been supportive of Gerrard so don't really know what you're talking about to be honest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 06, 2022, 08:08:40 PM
Yes I suspect, hope, that his recent subbing of McGinn is a gradual move away from him being a guaranteed starter. As you say he must be aware he got the Mings stuff wrong, so hopefully he’s realised that and this a more measured approach to ushering McGinn out.

Curious as to what people think he got wrong with Mings?  He might have picked the wrong person to succeed him as captain, but taking the captaincy away was done with the right intentions as far as I can see.

It was taking the captaincy away and then dropping him. I don’t know if they were related, but the perception was they were and it basically created a story and noise when it wasn’t needed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on September 06, 2022, 08:49:16 PM
Think Clamps was being light-hearted.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 06, 2022, 08:53:26 PM
I’m backing McGinn to find some form but right now needs benching. With regards dropping the captain, not headline news as far as I’m concerned.  All part and parcel of the modern game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on September 06, 2022, 09:43:40 PM
Yes I suspect, hope, that his recent subbing of McGinn is a gradual move away from him being a guaranteed starter. As you say he must be aware he got the Mings stuff wrong, so hopefully he’s realised that and this a more measured approach to ushering McGinn out.

Curious as to what people think he got wrong with Mings?  He might have picked the wrong person to succeed him as captain, but taking the captaincy away was done with the right intentions as far as I can see.

Making his replacement vice captain without playing a game was ridiculous. Lage handled a similar situation with Coady a lot better and with respect. Gerrard seemed to create a situation with Mings to demonstrate his authority and unsurprisingly it blew up in his face. Now he is completely reliant on him as our only LCB option.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on September 06, 2022, 09:55:10 PM
Celtic couldn't afford him but maybe it's best for all concerned. He'll get Champions League fitba and be close to his kin.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 06, 2022, 11:04:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Total_Villa/status/1566823477797130240?t=UjCAz7IvGB5BICQ_wIsekA&s=19

As I said after the game in response to someone somehow praising his performance, he was terrible.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on September 07, 2022, 03:01:31 AM
https://twitter.com/Total_Villa/status/1566823477797130240?t=UjCAz7IvGB5BICQ_wIsekA&s=19

As I said after the game in response to someone somehow praising his performance, he was terrible.

He hasn't played well for...a long time. This season he hasn't played well at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 07, 2022, 03:41:20 AM
Yes I suspect, hope, that his recent subbing of McGinn is a gradual move away from him being a guaranteed starter. As you say he must be aware he got the Mings stuff wrong, so hopefully he’s realised that and this a more measured approach to ushering McGinn out.

Curious as to what people think he got wrong with Mings?  He might have picked the wrong person to succeed him as captain, but taking the captaincy away was done with the right intentions as far as I can see.

It was taking the captaincy away and then dropping him. I don’t know if they were related, but the perception was they were and it basically created a story and noise when it wasn’t needed.

I get what you are saying but that 'perception' was created by endless speculation on social media and the reaction to the 'look me in the eye'-comment I believe has been totally overblown. It's a figure of speech and Gerrard has used it before in different circumstances. Post-games, I don't see anything in the body-language between Gerrard and Mings that suggests there is a problem there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on September 07, 2022, 06:37:48 AM
Maybe not but everything adds up to a perception that he's thrown Mings under the bus and replaced him with someone in such poor form that he shouldn't be anywhere near starting.

The whole topic of picking his captain has been overblown. If he'd said nothing and just had the club put out a press release about the captaincy no one would've cared  particularly with a simple quote from Mings on there saying it's been an honour and good luck to the new guy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on September 07, 2022, 06:58:36 AM
I’m pretty sure Gerrard was flexing his muscles and showing everyone who’s boss but completely messed it up with the nonsense he spouted regarding it.

I really hope he turns this around though and has learned you need to be flexible. If he reverts back to the side and formations he’s tried since March he’s not going to last much longer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 07, 2022, 01:55:09 PM
Gerrard has played Mings in every game that he has been fit to play in - can we let the conspiracy go now about bad blood between SG / TM
New Manager changing the Captain is not a new thing - it happens a lot
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on September 07, 2022, 01:58:56 PM
Gerrard has played Mings in every game that he has been fit to play in - can we let the conspiracy go now about bad blood between SG / TM
New Manager changing the Captain is not a new thing - it happens a lot

Changing captain happens all the time, but how Gerrard has gone about it made it feel like more than that, which is why people are filling the gaps.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 07, 2022, 02:02:10 PM
It's not like he'd been captain for years, it'd been one season. He's still a leader on the pitch
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: sid1964 on September 22, 2022, 06:46:08 AM
Fantastic performance tonight and captain of his country

Play him in his proper position and he will do really well for us
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 22, 2022, 07:53:02 AM
Fantastic performance tonight and captain of his country

Play him in his proper position and he will do really well for us

Bang on. He's been getting a lot of stick on here recently but maybe it would help if he was played in a position that best used his talents. Unfortunately that is very unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on September 22, 2022, 07:53:10 AM
There’s lots of mention about his position but in one sense, off the ball, he played very well against Southampton, he was bombing around, being a nuisance and winning the ball in midfield. His distribution was woeful though, one of the worst I’ve seen him on the ball. He also slowed the game down as he was slow to think and to move it on.

So his contribution to the match was more suited to playing deep. Would he have the touch, control and speed of thought to play further up the pitch against better opponents?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 22, 2022, 07:54:23 AM
There’s lots of mention about his position but in one sense, off the ball, he played very well against Southampton, he was bombing around, being a nuisance and winning the ball in midfield. His distribution was woeful though, one of the worst I’ve seen him on the ball. He also slowed the game down as he was slow to think and to move it on.

So his contribution to the match was more suited to playing deep. Would he have the touch, control and speed of thought to play further up the pitch against better opponents?

Why not give it a try?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2022, 08:20:51 AM
From BBC:
Super John McGinn
When the Tartan Army belt out their 'Super John McGinn' anthem, there is of course an element of tongue-in-cheek when it comes to the line about the Aston Villa captain being 'better than Zidane' - even if some of them believe it.

What there is no doubt about, though, is the line that comes just before it - 'he's Stevie Clarke's man'.
The former Hibernian and St Mirren midfielder is just one game away from half a century of caps. In the first of those 14 appearances under Gordon Strachan, Alex McLeish and Malky Mackay, McGinn failed to score or assist.
In the following 35 games under Clarke, the 27-year-old has had 20 goal involvements - scoring 14 and assisting six - which is 12 more than any other player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2022, 08:54:09 AM
If we move to 4-2-3-1 McGinn could definitely be an option in the advanced midfielder / 10 role, but then it's probably the best position for both Coutinho and Buendia too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: mallo on September 22, 2022, 09:19:09 AM
We're clearly using him wrongly
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2022, 09:33:23 AM
We're clearly using him wrongly

He's a midfielder being played as an attacking midfielder. We just don't play against teams that are as poor as Israel or the Faroe Islands. If you want to play him further forward for Villa, are you going to use him there instead of Coutinho or Buendia? Because that would be utterly insane.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2022, 09:44:37 AM
I posted this in the Other Games thread - probably more relevant here...

Where is his perfect position? Attack-minded midfielder? I can't liken him to a previous player we've had? Ian Taylor at a push maybe?

What formation would suit him? 451?

More questions than answers!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: boozey182 on September 22, 2022, 09:49:23 AM
We're clearly using him wrongly

He's a midfielder being played as an attacking midfielder. We just don't play against teams that are as poor as Israel or the Faroe Islands. If you want to play him further forward for Villa, are you going to use him there instead of Coutinho or Buendia? Because that would be utterly insane.

He's not really being used as an attacking midfielder though, is he? Often his 'average position' is behind the fullbacks - it wasn't against Southampton though, admittedly. As I said in another thread, I think he could have a role to play, but on current form I wouldn't be starting him every week - because that would be utterly insane...

I would love to be able to pick different players depending on form and the opposition, and against some teams having McGinn charging around high up the pitch, both in and out of possession, would be a benefit. It could create space for Coutinho and Buendia. I would have three behind a front man, and pick any three of Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Ramsey, McGinn. Or even Doug or Sanson. Assess the opposition's weaknesses and pick a team to exploit them.

For example, if I was playing against Villa, I would love a player like McGinn. I'd get him to harry our back 5 or 6 every time they were on the ball, and then just wait for them to cough it up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2022, 10:06:20 AM

He's not really being used as an attacking midfielder though, is he? Often his 'average position' is behind the fullbacks

Name one game this season where that's been true.

He's rubbish. If we're going to buy players based on their form for Scotland, then let's go for Dykes. One goal all season for QPR in the Championship, but two last night for Scotland. 95% of international football is absolute pish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2022, 10:13:19 AM
I don't think he is rubbish - but he's not top 6 material either.

I also think there is an element of fatigue based on the amount of games he has played in the last couple of years, on top of the problems of playing him out of position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 22, 2022, 10:15:52 AM
It feels to me that the captaincy is weighing too heavily on him. No Dennis Mortimer he. Hand it back to Tyrone
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 22, 2022, 10:22:04 AM

He's not really being used as an attacking midfielder though, is he? Often his 'average position' is behind the fullbacks

Name one game this season where that's been true.

He's rubbish. If we're going to buy players based on their form for Scotland, then let's go for Dykes. One goal all season for QPR in the Championship, but two last night for Scotland. 95% of international football is absolute pish.

Isn't it just. I reckon Villa would qualify for every tournament final stages and would have more chance of winning them than the PL at the moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villafirst on September 22, 2022, 10:24:45 AM
John McGinn has now had 20 goal involvements in 35 international matches under Steve Clarke for Scotland. The only negatives for him at Villa is the manager who plays a narrow system and too far back......Good players begin to look poor under this manager. It's a common theme....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: boozey182 on September 22, 2022, 10:27:51 AM

He's not really being used as an attacking midfielder though, is he? Often his 'average position' is behind the fullbacks

Name one game this season where that's been true.

He's rubbish. If we're going to buy players based on their form for Scotland, then let's go for Dykes. One goal all season for QPR in the Championship, but two last night for Scotland. 95% of international football is absolute pish.

Fortunately for you, I am a huge fan of procrastination, so I could look into this for you. The website I was using only went back to the Bolton game, but in that time it looked like there two matches - Man City where he was behind Digne, and Arsenal where he was behind Cash and alongside (slightly ahead of) Digne. This wasn't the 'Gotcha!' that I was hoping for, but I don't think it really suggests he's being used as an attacking midfielder either. Of course, these two games were against much better opposition, so it's likely that he was naturally going to play further back.

As a retort to "He's rubbish", may I offer: "Maybe, but I think we could be using him in way that would help him and the team better. And if we don't do that, we should drop him".

Also, just to clarify, I am not advocating buying McGinn. I think that would be a chronic waste of resources. In fact, I'll go further and say that I don't think we should be buying any of our players, no matter how well they perform during the international break. Sorry if that upsets people.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on September 22, 2022, 10:29:36 AM
I noticed on the beeb that our set piece coach/roadie for Yes was getting some love from the Scottish players for the work he does.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on September 22, 2022, 10:59:52 AM
There’s lots of mention about his position but in one sense, off the ball, he played very well against Southampton, he was bombing around, being a nuisance and winning the ball in midfield. His distribution was woeful though, one of the worst I’ve seen him on the ball. He also slowed the game down as he was slow to think and to move it on.

So his contribution to the match was more suited to playing deep. Would he have the touch, control and speed of thought to play further up the pitch against better opponents?

Why not give it a try?

I’d say because there’s better players than him in that role who are quicker thinking and more mobile and less careless with the ball and with all his faults he’s actually quite good at being a workhorse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2022, 11:10:04 AM
To be truthful Ukraine are best a championship standard team similar to Wales or NOR.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on September 22, 2022, 12:44:38 PM
There’s lots of mention about his position but in one sense, off the ball, he played very well against Southampton, he was bombing around, being a nuisance and winning the ball in midfield. His distribution was woeful though, one of the worst I’ve seen him on the ball. He also slowed the game down as he was slow to think and to move it on.

So his contribution to the match was more suited to playing deep. Would he have the touch, control and speed of thought to play further up the pitch against better opponents?

The reason he's better higher up the pitch is that he gives the ball away trying to force things and that creates 2 problems if he's deeper, firstly it means he's giving the ball away in bad areas of the pitch and secondly if he succeeds it doesn't really amonut to anything because he's created space 40-50 yards from goal instead of on the edge of the box.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on September 22, 2022, 01:14:24 PM
There’s lots of mention about his position but in one sense, off the ball, he played very well against Southampton, he was bombing around, being a nuisance and winning the ball in midfield. His distribution was woeful though, one of the worst I’ve seen him on the ball. He also slowed the game down as he was slow to think and to move it on.

So his contribution to the match was more suited to playing deep. Would he have the touch, control and speed of thought to play further up the pitch against better opponents?

The reason he's better higher up the pitch is that he gives the ball away trying to force things and that creates 2 problems if he's deeper, firstly it means he's giving the ball away in bad areas of the pitch and secondly if he succeeds it doesn't really amonut to anything because he's created space 40-50 yards from goal instead of on the edge of the box.

I agree, however it goes back to maybe he’s a good player, but not better than who plays further upfield than him and we need better where he plays. I love him, he’s been a very good player for us but he definitely does have his limitations at this level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Baldy on September 22, 2022, 01:18:36 PM
John McGinn - a bull in a china shop.

Try playing controlled football in that environment.

Great bloke but we will never have a decent footballing team with him in it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 22, 2022, 01:18:55 PM
An antagonist.  A willing runner. Combative with an eye for goal. He should be competing for the forward places in a different system.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2022, 01:24:17 PM
I think McGinn would work ok at 10 in a 4-2-3-1.  It would just give us that extra bite and energy which can be useful when you have such an attacking line up.  With that said, if it was down to me Buendia would be the first name on the teamsheet every week.

I disagree with you Baldy.  I think a few top 8 teams would like him in their squad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 22, 2022, 01:31:55 PM
If we keep playing the system we have been, 3 midfielders, Dendonker or Nakamba as the 6, Kamara or Luiz as the 7 and McGinn or Ramey as the 8. In other words, Dendonker and Kamara behind McGinn with him getting licence to break forward more. The ideal 3 in front as Coutinho, Watkins, Bailey.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2022, 01:40:48 PM
If we keep playing the system we have been, 3 midfielders, Dendonker or Nakamba as the 6, Kamara or Luiz as the 7 and McGinn or Ramey as the 8. In other words, Dendonker and Kamara behind McGinn with him getting licence to break forward more. The ideal 3 in front as Coutinho Buendia, Watkins, Bailey.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 22, 2022, 01:53:15 PM
We’ll see :-)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on September 22, 2022, 02:22:50 PM
On the evidence this season Buendia has been far better off the bench than when he's started, for me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2022, 02:48:12 PM
On the evidence this season Buendia has been far better off the bench than when he's started, for me.
True, but he's only started twice.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on September 22, 2022, 03:15:55 PM
On the evidence this season Buendia has been far better off the bench than when he's started, for me.
True, but he's only started twice.

I know, clearly a small sample size.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: olaftab on September 23, 2022, 10:52:39 AM
Great bloke but we will never have a decent footballing team with him in it.
No, that problem is somewhere else not with McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: sid1964 on September 23, 2022, 12:19:14 PM
fantastic footballer for us just having a sticky patch this season - we need to support him and he will return to his best form

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2022, 12:28:03 PM
When exactly was this best form?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 12:50:37 PM
For £2.5m, he's been an absolute bargain and a very good player for us and still is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2022, 01:14:10 PM
For £2.5m, he's been an absolute bargain and a very good player for us and still is.

He's not a very good player for us though, currently. What was the last good game he had, Crystal Palace last season?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 01:15:48 PM
For £2.5m, he's been an absolute bargain and a very good player for us and still is.

He's not a very good player for us though, currently. What was the last good game he had, Crystal Palace last season?

You don't like him, we get it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2022, 01:21:16 PM
For £2.5m, he's been an absolute bargain and a very good player for us and still is.

He's not a very good player for us though, currently. What was the last good game he had, Crystal Palace last season?

You don't like him, we get it.

I know that having a go at other posters is your favourite pastime on here, but how about having a go at answering the question instead?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 01:25:14 PM
I just don't get the continuous jumping on posters who like the bloke. I think he's been an excellent signing for us and I like him a lot. Isn't that a valid enough opinion?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2022, 01:29:47 PM
I just don't get the continuous jumping on posters who like the bloke. I think he's been an excellent signing for us and I like him a lot. Isn't that a valid enough opinion?

Where has anybody been jumped on? If you like him, then great. I just asked when he last had a great game. The last I can recall is Palace away last season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
Me, Sid and Boozey have posted some kind of defence of him and you replied to all three Instead of just letting the post stand. It's not like we don't know how you feel. You tell us on a daily basis.

I thought he had a really good first half against Southampton. Overall, he's probably trying too hard at times and I wouldn't be too upset if he was left out now and again but I think he's been terrific for us overall.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on September 23, 2022, 02:02:20 PM
Me, Sid and Boozey have posted some kind of defence of him and you replied to all three Instead of just letting the post stand. It's not like we don't know how you feel. You tell us on a daily basis.

I thought he had a really good first half against Southampton. Overall, he's probably trying too hard at times and I wouldn't be too upset if he was left out now and again but I think he's been terrific for us overall.

Not for me, he gave away possession far too easily, his pass success was something like 55% at half time, that will never be acceptable for a centre mid. I think he's a much better player than he's showing right now but his form this season is awful and he should be nowhere near starting right now (although the Kamara injury means it's harder to leave him out).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2022, 03:03:50 PM
Me, Sid and Boozey have posted some kind of defence of him and you replied to all three Instead of just letting the post stand. It's not like we don't know how you feel. You tell us on a daily basis.


It's a forum for discussion Clampy, that's the whole point of the board. I wasn't rude to anybody, unlike you, so if discussing things with other people offends you then feel free to use the 'ignore' feature.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 03:49:58 PM
Me, Sid and Boozey have posted some kind of defence of him and you replied to all three Instead of just letting the post stand. It's not like we don't know how you feel. You tell us on a daily basis.


It's a forum for discussion Clampy, that's the whole point of the board. I wasn't rude to anybody, unlike you, so if discussing things with other people offends you then feel free to use the 'ignore' feature.

I can't see where I've been rude to be honest but I shall leave it there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2022, 06:57:58 PM
If FFP is an issue, he'd be one of the few we could sell for more than they're worth.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2022, 12:17:01 PM
If we move to 4-2-3-1 McGinn could definitely be an option in the advanced midfielder / 10 role, but then it's probably the best position for both Coutinho and Buendia too.

He could play inside right too, might offer a lot more than Bailey there. Pressing from the front is one of his strengths, not taking the ball from the centre backs and distributing it from deep.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
We're clearly using him wrongly

He's a midfielder being played as an attacking midfielder. We just don't play against teams that are as poor as Israel or the Faroe Islands. If you want to play him further forward for Villa, are you going to use him there instead of Coutinho or Buendia? Because that would be utterly insane.

His main position in a 4231 under Smith or 433 under Gerrard was definitely not as an attacking midfielder. His best work is the opposition's third of the pitch, it's where he should be competing for a spot for us (not a guaranteed starting place).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 24, 2022, 07:40:33 PM
let's either play him as a proper defensive midfielder or a proper attacking midfielder. None of this box to box role he isn't cut out for at the moment
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on September 24, 2022, 09:15:26 PM
You need to be able to play on the half-turn and have a half-decent weaker foot there though.

Compare his technique to Coutinho and Buendia (who presumably he'd be replacing) as a 10 and it's night and day.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2022, 10:49:37 PM
Had a very good second half tonight. Playing at 10. Somehow avoided a yellow card for several meaty challenges. Fortunate win for the Scots I thought.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on September 24, 2022, 11:14:46 PM
Had a very good second half tonight. Playing at 10. Somehow avoided a yellow card for several meaty challenges. Fortunate win for the Scots I thought.

Agreed on all 3 points.

Meatball's gonna make meaty challenges all day and twice on Saturday. Just don't make them in our defensive third is all.

Good ole meatball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 01, 2022, 03:08:40 PM
FFS McGinn, your brother's a twat. 😡
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 01, 2022, 03:29:56 PM
And again! 😡😡😡😡😡😡
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on October 01, 2022, 05:41:16 PM
Excuse me?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 01, 2022, 05:58:00 PM
SJM needs to score at least two tomorrow to make up for his brother's antics today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rigadon on October 02, 2022, 06:48:19 PM
I thought he was pretty good tonight.  Still playing through a bad run of form, but it was a captains performance that was epitomised with that tackle at the end. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 02, 2022, 06:56:32 PM
I thought he was pretty good tonight.  Still playing through a bad run of form, but it was a captains performance that was epitomised with that tackle at the end. 

I agree. Thought he was decent tonight. Great last ditch tackle at the end which has saved this site from going into total and complete meltdown.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 02, 2022, 07:03:53 PM
We needed his battling today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ads on October 02, 2022, 07:04:47 PM
Gave the ball away still, but felt he did well with their rugby league tactics.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on October 02, 2022, 07:13:55 PM
He was busy.  Nothing special and is one of the one's we need to replace if wee are to move forward.  As is Luiz.  Better today though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 02, 2022, 07:21:36 PM
Best game of the season. There was a lot of talk before the game about how good the Leeds midfield duo were. McGinn and Luiz utterly dominated them. Still would prefer him further up the pitch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2022, 07:28:13 PM
Best game of the season. There was a lot of talk before the game about how good the Leeds midfield duo were. McGinn and Luiz utterly dominated them. Still would prefer him further up the pitch.

He had decent spells today but for the first half hour he was trying to force play and just gave away possession almost constantly and then in the 2nd half he had a long spell of having absolutely no impact on the game when they were down to 10 men. The game saving tackle at the end and his constant niggling of them made it look like he was a lot more productive but it's another game where his pass success is far too low for a centre mid. Giving the ball away as often as he does is just about acceptable if you're a 10 who's playing sliderule passes into the box but not for where we play him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 02, 2022, 08:39:15 PM
He was better today. It was a good run for Bailey’s cross, if Ollie had just got out of the way he might well have scored.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2022, 08:43:49 PM
He was better today. It was a good run for Bailey’s cross, if Ollie had just got out of the way he might well have scored.

I think it was behind him anyway so it'd have been a very difficult chance. As seems to be the case with everything McGinn does right now he was guilty of rushing in when he needed to take a second and think. Irrelevant anyway because Watkins took the ball instead but it was a good example of where McGinn needs to drag himself down and show a bit more composure.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2022, 11:42:43 PM
What a useless fat knacker he is. Abysmal passing as per usual, and sod all else useful. Why is he still getting a game? Got nearly as much abuse as Gerrard and was booed off when subbed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 10, 2022, 11:43:57 PM
He’s just completely gone. Don’t know why, but it’s cruel picking him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 10, 2022, 11:50:33 PM
What a useless fat knacker he is. Abysmal passing as per usual, and sod all else useful. Why is he still getting a game? Got nearly as much abuse as Gerrard and was booed off when subbed.

Diabolical comment. He scored the playoff winning goal and is a Villa hero for that alone, certainly no knacker anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2022, 11:52:41 PM
That was three and a half years ago. Did you see his abysmal attempt at a diving header in front of an open goal. Useless.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 11, 2022, 12:09:20 AM
What a useless fat knacker he is. Abysmal passing as per usual, and sod all else useful. Why is he still getting a game? Got nearly as much abuse as Gerrard and was booed off when subbed.

Diabolical comment. He scored the playoff winning goal and is a Villa hero for that alone, certainly no knacker anyway.

Risso is quite right in my books. Maybe not the way i would put it, but McGinn is a dinosaur. Specialising in yellow cards.
McGinn is merely a spirited so-and-so who any half decent European coach would not have in his team due to the scottish meatballs footballing deficiencies. A relic of a player.

Sanson is a technically superior player and an upgrade, and it is clear that Gerrard selects a captain based on basic qualities of British old school midfield play. And rewards it with captaincy. It's not right. But it's OK.

That was three and a half years ago. Did you see his abysmal attempt at a diving header in front of an open goal. Useless.

Risso explained it all in this post.
Shocking attempt to score by a very limited player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on October 11, 2022, 12:13:07 AM
You disappear for six weeks then come back and attack our captain? How dare you.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2022, 12:19:04 AM
What a useless fat knacker he is. Abysmal passing as per usual, and sod all else useful. Why is he still getting a game? Got nearly as much abuse as Gerrard and was booed off when subbed.

He's an absolute waste of fucking space.

That diving header was one of the worst things I've seen on a pitch in a long time.

He's absolutely shit, not good enough for this level, yet is first name on the team sheet week in, week out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 11, 2022, 12:24:16 AM
That was three and a half years ago. Did you see his abysmal attempt at a diving header in front of an open goal. Useless.

We all saw it and your pathetic comment too. Criticise the player fine but unless it's someone in the McCormack, Gabby, Richards ilk, throwing slurs at them ain't on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 11, 2022, 12:24:44 AM
You disappear for six weeks then come back and attack our captain? How dare you.
Club captain  Ashley Young. I showered with praise. Thank you.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2022, 12:26:49 AM
That was three and a half years ago. Did you see his abysmal attempt at a diving header in front of an open goal. Useless.

We all saw it and your pathetic comment too. Criticise the player fine but unless it's someone in the McCormack, Gabby, Richards ilk, throwing slurs at them ain't on.

I'll be sure to take your feedback seriously and have given it to the relevant department to action.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on October 11, 2022, 12:28:28 AM
You disappear for six weeks then come back and attack our captain? How dare you.
Club captain  Ashley Young. I showered with praise. Thank you.

To clarify, Footy, I was joking. Good to see you back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 11, 2022, 12:35:14 AM
That was three and a half years ago. Did you see his abysmal attempt at a diving header in front of an open goal. Useless.

We all saw it and your pathetic comment too. Criticise the player fine but unless it's someone in the McCormack, Gabby, Richards ilk, throwing slurs at them ain't on.

I'll be sure to take your feedback seriously and have given it to the relevant department to action.

🤡
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on October 11, 2022, 01:00:56 AM
Any clips of the McGinn header/avoid the right foot at all costs?

I watched the first-half in Waxy O'Connors near Lesta Square as I had a ticket for a film at the London Film Festival. Quickly finshed a bottle of Modelo on half-time and made it for the 20.50 start. Turned my phone back on at 22:30 and just knew I hadn't missed anything in the game!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: purpletrousers on October 11, 2022, 04:31:00 AM
Any clips of the McGinn header/avoid the right foot at all costs?

I watched the first-half in Waxy O'Connors near Lesta Square as I had a ticket for a film at the London Film Festival. Quickly finshed a bottle of Modelo on half-time and made it for the 20.50 start. Turned my phone back on at 22:30 and just knew I hadn't missed anything in the game!

Couldn’t see any but there is this, ‘I know, I’ll head it!” still
(https://i.ibb.co/sHHvVjj/4-FA2-BD45-5-AA7-44-BD-B9-C8-73154-AA79-E14.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sHHvVjj)
I was going to add a tweeted meme response with Gordon Ramsey losing the will to live, but instead, I’ll look forward to the Villa podcast tomorrow to see how many categories wee Johnny makes it into. http://linktr.ee/thevillapodcast
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 11, 2022, 05:47:43 AM
Any clips of the McGinn header/avoid the right foot at all costs?

I watched the first-half in Waxy O'Connors near Lesta Square as I had a ticket for a film at the London Film Festival. Quickly finshed a bottle of Modelo on half-time and made it for the 20.50 start. Turned my phone back on at 22:30 and just knew I hadn't missed anything in the game!

Couldn’t see any but there is this, ‘I know, I’ll head it!” still
(https://i.ibb.co/sHHvVjj/4-FA2-BD45-5-AA7-44-BD-B9-C8-73154-AA79-E14.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sHHvVjj)
I was going to add a tweeted meme response with Gordon Ramsey losing the will to live, but instead, I’ll look forward to the Villa podcast tomorrow to see how many categories wee Johnny makes it into. http://linktr.ee/thevillapodcast

It’s already out PT, I listened to it about 1am.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: frank black on October 11, 2022, 07:26:29 AM
John McGinn was awful last night wasn’t he. Certainly looks like he could do without the captains armband
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on October 11, 2022, 08:42:19 AM
John McGinn was awful last night wasn’t he. Certainly looks like he could do without the captains armband

Took the armband off a player unaffected by wearing it, so he could concentrate on his game, and given to a player already struggling that now looks like he's playing with an albatross hanging around his neck.

He's lost all dynamism, he's hesitant and seems to lose every 50-50 tackle too, before we even talk about the state of his passing. That bloody first time chip ball to the back post he keeps trying as well, never works and the opposition can see it a mile off
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 11, 2022, 08:44:39 AM
A new manager needs to give Mings the arm band back and drop McGinn. Then deal with all the noise that’ll create.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 11, 2022, 08:46:53 AM
A new manager needs to give Mings the arm band back and drop McGinn. Then deal with all the noise that’ll create.

I personally think Mings has been better and more focused  since the captaincy was taken off him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 08:48:56 AM
A new manager needs to give Mings the arm band back and drop McGinn. Then deal with all the noise that’ll create.

It won't create any noise. That's the thing, I think everyone, McGinn included, knows it too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on October 11, 2022, 08:51:02 AM
A new manager needs to give Mings the arm band back and drop McGinn. Then deal with all the noise that’ll create.

I personally think Mings has been better and more focused  since the captaincy was taken off him.

He was fine before it was done, he just hasn't let it affect him because he's a top pro and a first class human being.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 08:53:27 AM
A new manager needs to give Mings the arm band back and drop McGinn. Then deal with all the noise that’ll create.

I personally think Mings has been better and more focused  since the captaincy was taken off him.

He was fine before it was done, he just hasn't let it affect him because he's a top pro and a first class human being.

Absolutely this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Nev on October 11, 2022, 08:53:28 AM
Mings appeared to thrive as Captain ( my theory is that he was more popular than the Manager so that's why he took the captaincy off him and came out with that look me in the eye bollocks, wanted to force him out but was scuppered by the injury to Carlos) and as stated above SJM looks the exact opposite.

There were 2 incidents last night that stuck out for me. The first was when he was called over by the ref after a set too between Young and one of their players, he showed scant interest and looked to get back in position as soon as possible, not even talking to Ash. Then, when he was subbed he appeared to avoid the Manager altogether and went straight to the bench.

I maintain that he is still a good player who will thrive, but not under this Manager.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 08:54:58 AM
I agree Nev. Like virtually everyone else, he looks worse under this manager and whatever system it is he's trying to implement.

Still, he may score the winner at the weekend...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on October 11, 2022, 08:59:59 AM
Mings appeared to thrive as Captain ( my theory is that he was more popular than the Manager so that's why he took the captaincy off him and came out with that look me in the eye bollocks, wanted to force him out but was scuppered by the injury to Carlos) and as stated above SJM looks the exact opposite.

There were 2 incidents last night that stuck out for me. The first was when he was called over by the ref after a set too between Young and one of their players, he showed scant interest and looked to get back in position as soon as possible, not even talking to Ash. Then, when he was subbed he appeared to avoid the Manager altogether and went straight to the bench.


I maintain that he is still a good player who will thrive, but not under this Manager.

I remember the incident you mention and it struck me at the time, I can't remember who it was but they were being shithoused by a few forest players and it was Young that got in amongst them to protect our man, McGinn was stood about 10 years away uninterested.

Like you I know he's a much better player than what we're seeing, like many of our players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2022, 09:55:46 AM

Like you I know he's a much better player than what we're seeing, like many of our players.

He isn't though. He's another one who was made to look better for a few games under Smith by playing with an in form Grealish. Even at his "best" he only got 3 goals a season. His passing has always been shite.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 10:02:30 AM
He's better than what we're seeing this season though, regardless of the overall view of him as a player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on October 11, 2022, 10:11:21 AM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 11:08:28 AM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.

A championship player that had various pundits and former players trying to arrange a £50-60m move to Man Utd 18 months ago?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 11, 2022, 11:39:43 AM
I thought he was okay in the first half. Second half, not so much...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2022, 12:53:00 PM
What a useless fat knacker he is. Abysmal passing as per usual, and sod all else useful. Why is he still getting a game? Got nearly as much abuse as Gerrard and was booed off when subbed.

He's an absolute waste of fucking space.

That diving header was one of the worst things I've seen on a pitch in a long time.

He's absolutely shit, not good enough for this level, yet is first name on the team sheet week in, week out.

And those fucking shit loopy crosses. I know that we scored albeit indirectly from one thanks to Ollie’s header and Ash being opportunistic, but for the most part they never work. They are easy to defend against for towering CB’s. And when he gets the ball it’s as if he’s never seen a football before. The hesitancy makes us so predictable and provides time for the opponents to get back into position. How on earth does the manager not see it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2022, 02:45:31 PM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.

A championship player that had various pundits and former players trying to arrange a £50-60m move to Man Utd 18 months ago?

Since when has baseless speculation been proof of anything?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 02:47:11 PM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.

A championship player that had various pundits and former players trying to arrange a £50-60m move to Man Utd 18 months ago?

Since when has baseless speculation been proof of anything?

It worked when people thought Gerrard was a great manager and perfect for the Villa!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 02:59:18 PM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.

A championship player that had various pundits and former players trying to arrange a £50-60m move to Man Utd 18 months ago?

Since when has baseless speculation been proof of anything?

It's proof that it itself exists, i.e. lots of people thought McGinn was good enough to play Champions League football 18 months ago, which suggests he was playing well enough for people to form those opinions. That alone is enough to suggest that he's not a "championship player who's had 6 decent months in his 4 seasons in the premier league". As so often happens he's not champions league of championship, he's an average premier league midfielder who is currently struggling for form in a system which is making it very difficult for a number of our players to play to their strengths.

I'm not even arguing that he's particularly good, just that he's not as shit as some people insist. He's trying too hard, he's giving possession away cheaply through poor passing or getting caught in possession and he doesn't create or score enough goals but he's not shit and we'll make a massive profit on him if we choose to sell him at some point and I doubt he'll ever play in the championship again (certainly not before the twilight of his career).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2022, 03:09:38 PM
We’ve never had a whiff of a serious offer for him, not even from a top half team let alone a Champions League club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
We’ve never had a whiff of a serious offer for him, not even from a top half team let alone a Champions League club.

which doesn't mean a thing in this context. Lots of people involved in the game as pundits, journalists, former players/talking heads, etc were of the opinion that he was playing to a standard and of a style that would improve a team that view missing out on the champions league as a failure. Those opinions don't exist if he's shit, never been good enough for the premier league, etc.

I'm sure the next argument will be that "we watch our games, they only watch highlights" but you only have to go back to some older posts on this thread to see us making similar comments:

I've no worries about McGinn leaving.  I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders.  Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother.  We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front.  McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2022, 03:24:46 PM
We’ve never had a whiff of a serious offer for him, not even from a top half team let alone a Champions League club.

which doesn't mean a thing in this context. Lots of people involved in the game as pundits, journalists, former players/talking heads, etc were of the opinion that he was playing to a standard and of a style that would improve a team that view missing out on the champions league as a failure. Those opinions don't exist if he's shit, never been good enough for the premier league, etc.

I'm sure the next argument will be that "we watch our games, they only watch highlights" but you only have to go back to some older posts on this thread to see us making similar comments:

I've no worries about McGinn leaving.  I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders.  Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother.  We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front.  McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.

^^^ that was on the basis of seeing McGinn play in the championship though.

He did look very good in the championship, because he's a championship player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 11, 2022, 03:39:08 PM
He was too good for the championship when he played there, not quite Grealish level but outstanding all the same. Also proven at international level. Prem form has been mixed and now average at best but no player bar Ashley Young is doing well at the moment!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 03:39:50 PM
We’ve never had a whiff of a serious offer for him, not even from a top half team let alone a Champions League club.

which doesn't mean a thing in this context. Lots of people involved in the game as pundits, journalists, former players/talking heads, etc were of the opinion that he was playing to a standard and of a style that would improve a team that view missing out on the champions league as a failure. Those opinions don't exist if he's shit, never been good enough for the premier league, etc.

I'm sure the next argument will be that "we watch our games, they only watch highlights" but you only have to go back to some older posts on this thread to see us making similar comments:

I've no worries about McGinn leaving.  I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders.  Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother.  We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front.  McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.

^^^ that was on the basis of seeing McGinn play in the championship though.

He did look very good in the championship, because he's a championship player.

No it wasn't it was 7-8 games into the season after promition and in response to him being easily our best player a for those games. Either way I said people were talking about him as a Man Utd player (i.e a bit better than the championship) and found a quote of a person who disputed it saying exactly that.

If you want different angle how about this one from the following season?

It was all there last night, in spades.  The arse into the opposition player to send him flying, and the perfectly hit volley from miles out.  I was really concerned about him, as back end of last season he seemed really out of sorts, but glad I got that wrong as well.  I think I'll stick to talking about finance and watches in future, safer ground.

So he had a bad spell of form and got heavily criticised before finding his feet and looking comfortably a premier player again. All I'm saying is why do we have to lurch from extreme to extreme on players all the time? At his best McGinn is good enough to be a top half of the premier player, maybe even playing in Europe, at his worst he's some way short of that, like one of hundreds of players in the last 30 years who've been the same.


Right now he's at his worst since he joined us but that doesn't mean he's always been shit, that we were wrong to say nice things about him in the past or that there's no chance he'll ever be decent again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2022, 03:40:37 PM
His header looks worse from this angle

https://twitter.com/avfc_aston/status/1579569823788716032?s=46&t=0n1RXkfL8J0L6ZepUhRbgA
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2022, 03:50:13 PM
He looks slimmer from that angle, too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2022, 03:51:11 PM
I'd suggest in that case that 7 or 8 games into the season weren't really enough time to judge him. It certainly looks totally different three years later.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 04:01:33 PM
He, like just about all of our players needs a decent manager/head coach in charge to see what they can do.

We've seen enough in the past to suggest it could go either way, with most of our players to be fair.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 11, 2022, 04:05:55 PM
I agree Nev. Like virtually everyone else, he looks worse under this manager and whatever system it is he's trying to implement.

Still, he may score the winner at the weekend...
EVERY player we have looks worse under this manager.
Fact.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on October 11, 2022, 04:13:19 PM
Confidence
Where he is played
Burnout
Quality

Are the order of the issues with McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LukeJames on October 11, 2022, 04:48:28 PM
Any clips of the McGinn header/avoid the right foot at all costs?

I watched the first-half in Waxy O'Connors near Lesta Square as I had a ticket for a film at the London Film Festival. Quickly finshed a bottle of Modelo on half-time and made it for the 20.50 start. Turned my phone back on at 22:30 and just knew I hadn't missed anything in the game!

Couldn’t see any but there is this, ‘I know, I’ll head it!” still
(https://i.ibb.co/sHHvVjj/4-FA2-BD45-5-AA7-44-BD-B9-C8-73154-AA79-E14.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sHHvVjj)
I was going to add a tweeted meme response with Gordon Ramsey losing the will to live, but instead, I’ll look forward to the Villa podcast tomorrow to see how many categories wee Johnny makes it into. http://linktr.ee/thevillapodcast
It's so obvious he's going to score that Gibbs-White is already celebrating.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on October 11, 2022, 04:58:52 PM
Paul-e, do you rate McGinn technically?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 11, 2022, 05:02:24 PM
I think he could be a useful player if fit, if in the right system if in the right position.

But watching him suffer week after week is cruel.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 05:15:40 PM
Paul-e, do you rate McGinn technically?

In terms of premier league midfielders I'd say his touch and ball carrying is about average, his passing is maybe a bit below and his tenacity, energy levels and battling is a bit above. Overall making him a pretty average, mid-table premier league midfielder. I always thought the idea of him going to a champions league club was a bit far-fetched and I think the idea that he's a championship player is is just as wide of the mark.

What I can't get my head round is people trying to rewrite history and claim that he's never been good enough, never been talked about as an option for top 6 clubs and is holding us back. I have almost the exact same problem with Watkins but in 'black and white world' where everything is perfect or irredeemably shit too many people feel the need to lurch between those 2 extremes.

It's not just players either, Purslow, after 1 bad managerial appointment is a shit CEO who should be sacked by the owners or at least have all footballing matters taken out of his remit. Lange was great for striking a bargain and keeping deals quiet until the player was in the building, now he's shit and has done nothing of any value since he arrived. It's all bullshit borne of frustration that the team aren't playing very well because the manager doesn't appear to be able to get them playing as a unit.

As I said a while back there's a habit on here for things to spiral to armageddon very quickly and once it gets there EVERYTHING has to be shit, there can be no silver linings, no green shoots, no objectivity, just shit all the way down and the only solution is to burn everything down and start again.

McGinn is massively out of form, struggling with the captaincy and seemingly confused by the role he's being asked to play and all of those things are normal for most footballers at times in their career, he just needs to be taken out of the spotlight for a while, be given some coaching to get him back on track and then see how he responds, he doesn't need to be booed off the field, thrown to the dogs by his manager and called shit all over the internet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2022, 05:24:38 PM
How about a good manager tells him; when you get the ball, don’t stand on it for ages wondering what to do because it allows the opponents defence to get back into position. And why not tell him to stop those stupid lofted passes that are very low percentage plays. Instead he does that week after week. And week after week is fans see it isn’t working and he keeps doing it without risk of losing his starting job. I accept he’s low on confidence and out of form. But the management of him and others has been shocking
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 05:27:13 PM
How about a good manager tells him; when you get the ball, don’t stand on it for ages wondering what to do because it allows the opponents defence to get back into position. And why not tell him to stop those stupid lofted passes that are very low percentage plays. Instead he does that week after week. And week after week is fans see it isn’t working and he keeps doing it without risk of losing his starting job. I accept he’s low on confidence and out of form. But the management of him and others has been shocking

That's the sort of thing i mean by "coaching to get him back on track". More generally he really needs to stop trying to make something from nothing on the halfway line. Players that can change a game with a single pass from there are few and far between and he's never going to be one of them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on October 11, 2022, 05:45:02 PM
McGinn is not and never has been a ball playing midfielder. He’s all hustle and bustle and in my opinion and is best running past the forward or at least playing around him. He’s capable at this level but not where he’s being asked to play now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 12, 2022, 02:22:34 AM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.

A championship player that had various pundits and former players trying to arrange a £50-60m move to Man Utd 18 months ago?

That was madness and I’d have snapped their hands off. Sourness was still banging on about it at the start of this season.

The know-nothing, Sun-loving throbber.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on October 12, 2022, 09:52:06 AM
£50/60m lol that's paper talk. I really really wouldn't believe the rumour mill of Robbie Savage and Talksport. The fact is he wasn't sold for that amount of money. He's still here, stinking the place out and the most anyone has ever paid for him is £2.5m.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on October 12, 2022, 10:17:11 AM
McGinn is out of form but at times has been a fantastic player for us.

It's reasonable to criticise how he's playing in our current set up, but there's no need to rewrite history for a player who has given so much to the club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 12, 2022, 10:52:42 AM
McGinn is out of form but at times has been a fantastic player for us.

It's reasonable to criticise how he's playing in our current set up, but there's no need to rewrite history for a player who has given so much to the club.

He's had a few good games, but for the last year or so, other than the odd game, he's been consistently poor.  Palace away last seaosn he was great, other than that it's hard to recall a game where he was anything other than bang ordinary, and for most of the time he's just been really bad, including Monday night against the worst side in the league.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: frank black on October 12, 2022, 11:10:33 AM
McGinn is out of form but at times has been a fantastic player for us.

It's reasonable to criticise how he's playing in our current set up, but there's no need to rewrite history for a player who has given so much to the club.

It just feels like it’s been a very long time since he’s been consistent, a very long time. He’s one of those players that we loved and made such a difference to us at the time, but now I wouldn’t really worry if he got injured or left. It’s the performances for Scotland that give us the hope that he might get back to his best (perhaps)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 12, 2022, 11:11:28 AM
McGinn is out of form but at times has been a fantastic player for us.

It's reasonable to criticise how he's playing in our current set up, but there's no need to rewrite history for a player who has given so much to the club.

Agree totally. He's been great overall for the money we paid. Hopefully he'll come good again and I think he will.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 12, 2022, 11:11:41 AM
£50/60m lol that's paper talk. I really really wouldn't believe the rumour mill of Robbie Savage and Talksport. The fact is he wasn't sold for that amount of money. He's still here, stinking the place out and the most anyone has ever paid for him is £2.5m.

Again this is missing the point, all I was saying is that those rumours existed and persisted for a long time, if he was a "championship player" those people wouldn't have been creating that link.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 12, 2022, 11:17:38 AM
McGinn is out of form but at times has been a fantastic player for us.

It's reasonable to criticise how he's playing in our current set up, but there's no need to rewrite history for a player who has given so much to the club.

It just feels like it’s been a very long time since he’s been consistent, a very long time. He’s one of those players that we loved and made such a difference to us at the time, but now I wouldn’t really worry if he got injured or left. It’s the performances for Scotland that give us the hope that he might get back to his best (perhaps)

Not being bothered if a player gets injured just because you don't think he's good enough anymore is a bit naff really.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on October 12, 2022, 11:27:11 AM
Picking him up on that is a bit naff really, he clearly means it leads to McGinn not getting selected rather than being indifferent to his suffering.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 12, 2022, 11:29:39 AM
Picking him up on that is a bit naff really, he clearly means it leads to McGinn not getting selected rather than being indifferent to his suffering.

Not its not. I'd rather he either plays his way back into form or get dropped. I wouldn't want anyone to get injured.  We've enough players out as it is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on October 12, 2022, 11:36:28 AM
Picking him up on that is a bit naff really, he clearly means it leads to McGinn not getting selected rather than being indifferent to his suffering.

Not its not. I'd rather he either plays his way back into form or get dropped. I wouldn't want anyone to get injured.  We've enough players out as it is.

He didn't say he wanted anyone injured, bloody hell. You might read it better if you get down off your high horse
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 12, 2022, 11:39:44 AM
Picking him up on that is a bit naff really, he clearly means it leads to McGinn not getting selected rather than being indifferent to his suffering.

Not its not. I'd rather he either plays his way back into form or get dropped. I wouldn't want anyone to get injured.  We've enough players out as it is.

He didn't say he wanted anyone injured, bloody hell. You might read it better if you get down off your high horse

He said he wouldnt worry if he got injured. Still a bit naff though. I get what he's trying to say as he's not going to be dropped by the look of it but still, I'd rather we have the old McGinn back. There's still a very good player there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 12, 2022, 11:48:15 AM
I think he could still be a very good player for us, fully fit, motivated and in the right set up.
I don’t see any of the above right now though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 16, 2022, 04:30:06 PM
I'd sacrifice both my bollocks and replace them with scotch eggs for him to be dropped.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on October 16, 2022, 05:22:56 PM
Anonymous for the second half and made a couple of poor decisions in the first.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: KevinGage on October 16, 2022, 05:27:33 PM
Thought we noticeably went to pot and lost any shape we had when he went off.

He has been ropey in some games earlier season but better recently.

I hope the booing was directed at the substitution itself and not him. There's no lack of graft from him even when he is off form.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2022, 05:31:24 PM
What does he do though?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 16, 2022, 05:31:34 PM
He can graft all he wants but what is the point when you make a decision like shooting at a tight angle, on your weak foot when there is a clear pass on? Piss poor decision making regularly from him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2022, 05:34:20 PM
He can graft all he wants but what is the point when you make a decision like shooting at a tight angle, on your weak foot when there is a clear pass on? Piss poor decision making regularly from him.

Yep that was typical of him. Terrible.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: gpbarr on October 16, 2022, 05:42:33 PM
Another non-descript performance, no leadership on the pitch. Beginning to think he needs to be sold, let alone stripped of the captaincy
 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2022, 06:36:22 PM
Thought we noticeably went to pot and lost any shape we had when he went off.

He has been ropey in some games earlier season but better recently.

I hope the booing was directed at the substitution itself and not him. There's no lack of graft from him even when he is off form.

Agreed, terrible decision to take him off. Gerrard was only playing to the crowd with that one.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2022, 07:58:29 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 16, 2022, 08:13:31 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.

Do you have an alert on your phone whenever someone says something positive about McGinn?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 16, 2022, 08:15:04 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.

That was absolutely piss poor.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 16, 2022, 08:21:04 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.

Do you have an alert on your phone whenever someone says something positive about McGinn?

Or something positive about Potter, strangely
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2022, 08:26:46 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.

Do you have an alert on your phone whenever someone says something positive about McGinn?

It's called reading the forum and responding to people Clampy, it's how this place works.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 16, 2022, 08:28:40 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.

Do you have an alert on your phone whenever someone says something positive about McGinn?

It's called reading the forum and responding to people Clampy, it's how this place works.

It sure does. That's why I posted what I did.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LukeJames on October 16, 2022, 08:29:22 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.

That was absolutely piss poor.
It was pretty much the good and bad of McGinn in one incident.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2022, 08:30:44 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.

We were on top in midfield before he was hooked. We lost all semblance of shape once Coutinho came on. He used the ball a lot better today, that example in the box aside.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2022, 08:35:34 PM
As the sub was straight after we'd gone 2 down it's hard to know if it was the subs or the second goal that did for us. I will say though that it was noticeable, to me at least, that one manager made multiple changes despite leading 1-0 while the one losing 1-0 didn't make any.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2022, 09:07:29 PM
As the sub was straight after we'd gone 2 down it's hard to know if it was the subs or the second goal that did for us. I will say though that it was noticeable, to me at least, that one manager made multiple changes despite leading 1-0 while the one losing 1-0 didn't make any.

Buendia was waiting for a couple of minutes to come on when they got their second to be fair.

Ings should have been first man hooked, switch to 4231 and got Ramsey further up the pitch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ozzjim on October 16, 2022, 09:54:40 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.

It was criminal.

His shot down the Kepa's throat before the Ramsey miss was awful too. No composure, from captain down.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2022, 10:06:12 PM
Who put the ball in for Bailey's sitter of a miss...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on October 17, 2022, 01:59:43 AM
That was a great scoop to Bailey. It was tougher than it looked, Bailey barely saw the ball as the defender was immediately in his face. He did well to make contact and direct it towards goal, I thought.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on October 17, 2022, 04:46:13 AM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.

Do you have an alert on your phone whenever someone says something positive about McGinn?

It's called reading the forum and responding to people Clampy, it's how this place works.

It sure does. That's why I posted what I did.

Bloody hell, even the optimists are arguing! That can't be good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on October 17, 2022, 02:28:01 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.

It was criminal.

His shot down the Kepa's throat before the Ramsey miss was awful too. No composure, from captain down.

As soon as he cut in onto his right foot, I knew nothing would come of it.  Wouldn't be surprised at all if he was trying to pass it. All bets are off when it comes to JM's right peg.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 18, 2022, 12:29:05 AM
McGinn lacks the stamina to run up and down the pitch.
He also squandered some excellent opportunities against Chelsea due to poor shooting and decision-making.
With all the pressure, he's really become a subpar player, and I believe the captaincy has made him worse.

He is now subbed constantly- having an inability to justify him playing for 90 minutes, because he's basically showing ineffectiveness, and a distinct lack of quality.
Very unimpressed by him at the moment he's very disappointing captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 18, 2022, 09:12:53 AM
McGinn 28 today and going backwards.
Think he's had his peak at Villa. Reached his level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 20, 2022, 09:07:37 PM
Arguably the worst permanent captain we have ever had. Been a complete disaster and all made by an ego driven manager who needed to choose HIS captain. Caused completely unnecessary disruption at the start of the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2022, 09:48:33 PM
He is absolutely shite. Can he please piss off in the same taxi as Gerrard. An honest to god shit sandwich of a player. Never mind the results, Gerrard deserves the sack for making this waste of space captain alone.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: FrankyH on October 20, 2022, 10:16:26 PM
What did McGinn say, I caught the tail end of Les Ferdinand saying he shouldn't have said that ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 20, 2022, 10:18:08 PM
What did McGinn say, I caught the tail end of Les Ferdinand saying he shouldn't have said that ?

That they needed to ignore the derision from the travelling fans.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 20, 2022, 10:18:18 PM
What did McGinn say, I caught the tail end of Les Ferdinand saying he shouldn't have said that ?

McGinn

https://twitter.com/primevideosport/status/1583203404490211328
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: curiousorange on October 20, 2022, 10:21:33 PM
I didn't take it in that way. I don't think he means they're not heeding it, more that it's not going to help preparations for Sunday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 20, 2022, 10:23:33 PM
I don't think he meant it the way it sounded.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 20, 2022, 10:23:51 PM
It was just a terrible call to make him captain.

Part of interview I'd ask the next candidate what role they see for McGinn. You could imagine someone like Sean Dyche wanting to continue to make him fulcrum of the team so that's why I don't want us to go anywhere near that type of manager.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ozzjim on October 20, 2022, 10:24:49 PM
His reaction to their first said everything. No anger, frustration. Just walked back to half way.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dr.chekov on October 20, 2022, 10:25:55 PM
I have no problem with the interview tbh, just with the way he's playing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 20, 2022, 10:26:22 PM
His passing tonight...just so bad. Needs a spell out of the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 20, 2022, 10:27:10 PM
I think he just worded that bit badly, which i'd imagine is easy to do right after a game, especially one that bad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2022, 10:30:15 PM
I think he just worded that bit badly, which i'd imagine is easy to do right after a game, especially one that bad.

Which bit? That "the performance doesn't represent us as players" when most have been playing like that all season.

And I wish the press looked at the Chelsea game for what it was. The Chelsea formation played into our hands. As soon as the moved Sterling around and tightened up, we didn't have a sniff.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2022, 10:32:30 PM
I don't care what he says in post-match interviews. I do care that he's a terrible player who would be far more at home in the Championship or Scotland. Anywhere really, just away from us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 20, 2022, 10:32:56 PM
The bit he's getting stick for online is near the end, about ignoring.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 20, 2022, 10:34:05 PM
Everything  about him on the pitch then off the pitch showed why it was a daft decision to make him captain and why the managers judgement is so far off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: FrankyH on October 20, 2022, 10:35:47 PM
What did McGinn say, I caught the tail end of Les Ferdinand saying he shouldn't have said that ?

That they needed to ignore the derision from the travelling fans.

Thanks Tayls_7 & PWS . I don't think that was said in arrogance ,  but just chose his words wrong under pressure.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2022, 10:36:06 PM
Everything  about him on the pitch then off the pitch showed why it was a daft decision to make him captain and why the managers judgement is so far off.

Yep. One of the few decent performances on the pitch this season happened in the 35 minutes he was off the pitch against Citeh. During that same time we didn't have Watkins and Ings playing together either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: The_ads on October 20, 2022, 10:41:35 PM
This is totally unnecessary

Agree. Hugely out of form and he’s nowhere near it. But Villa fans had extremely short memories. Must be the best £2.5m ever spent. This is his first tough period and has coincided with a job he should never have had. To call him absolutely shite is out of order in my opinion. He’ll come good again

He is absolutely shite. Can he please piss off in the same taxi as Gerrard. An honest to god shit sandwich of a player. Never mind the results, Gerrard deserves the sack for making this waste of space captain alone.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2022, 11:00:05 PM
This is totally unnecessary

Agree. Hugely out of form and he’s nowhere near it. But Villa fans had extremely short memories. Must be the best £2.5m ever spent. This is his first tough period and has coincided with a job he should never have had. To call him absolutely shite is out of order in my opinion. He’ll come good again

He is absolutely shite. Can he please piss off in the same taxi as Gerrard. An honest to god shit sandwich of a player. Never mind the results, Gerrard deserves the sack for making this waste of space captain alone.

When has he been consistently good in the Premier League? I don't care how much he cost, he's not good enough.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on October 20, 2022, 11:07:27 PM
He's a lovely bloke and we all love what he did for us in the Championship, but he is far too inconsistent in this league and another Manager will not put up with the same poor performances.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on October 20, 2022, 11:18:25 PM
Just cliche after cliché from McGinn. Has never looked like a captain.

He hasn't played well for what seems like an eternity, either. You're never going to win many games with him and Luiz in the midfield.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: usav on October 20, 2022, 11:21:22 PM
First thing that needs to happen is McGinn dropped to the bench.  Of course, Luiz has done him a favour in that regard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on October 21, 2022, 12:48:00 AM
Captain Dog Shit. Shockingly poor on the ball as a top flight player. Championship bloke written all over him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2022, 01:14:34 AM
First thing that needs to happen is McGinn dropped to the bench.  Of course, Luiz has done him a favour in that regard.

Sold for £50m to a top 6 team I think you mean.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: villadelph on October 21, 2022, 02:40:10 AM
Did anyone else raise an eyebrow when he talked about having a lot of different cultures and you can talk but you need to go out and play?

Is that a shot at the south american contingent?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 21, 2022, 09:29:37 AM
He isn't a captain. He is a dressing room jester. A lovely chap but he isn't ever going to bollock someone for playing badly.  Dreadful choice as captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: passport1 on October 21, 2022, 09:42:30 AM
In the right set up he can be a useful player. When I see him now he looks distraught. He got a lot of love from the Villa fans when he first signed but is struggling to cope with the bile hurled at him now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 21, 2022, 09:44:08 AM
Needs to go to the new manager's office as soon as he arrives to hand over the captain's armband. I'd sooner he gave it up than it be taken from him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 21, 2022, 09:47:24 AM
Anyone else notice him just turn around and walk back towards the centre after their first goal last night?

Not a scintilla of pain or disappointment on his face. Looked like he’d be more upset by forgetting to put the bins out. Not what you want from a captain.

Nice bloke, totally not captain material, but his getting picked week in week out is a big contributor to SG getting potted.

I don’t think he’s ever really proved himself consistently at this level, he’s an excellent Championship player who has not made the jump, and his starting every single match for us is emblematic of the meek acceptance of low standards at the club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on October 21, 2022, 09:56:13 AM
Some of the personal abuse aimed at him over the last few weeks has been uncalled for and out of order. He can do a job for us for the rest of the season but he is not a ball player and has to be used correctly. He clearly doesn’t like being captain but he does care and the weight of what’s been going on is clearly having a huge affect upon him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 21, 2022, 09:58:40 AM
Some of the personal abuse aimed at him over the last few weeks has been uncalled for and out of order. He can do a job for us for the rest of the season but he is not a ball player and has to be used correctly. He clearly doesn’t like being captain but he does care and the weight of what’s been going on is clearly having a huge affect upon him.

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 21, 2022, 10:05:22 AM
In the right set up he can be a useful player. When I see him now he looks distraught. He got a lot of love from the Villa fans when he first signed but is struggling to cope with the bile hurled at him now.

That's the way I see it too. Should never have been made captain as was already struggling but that's on Gerrard not McGinn. Our next coach will take the captaincy back off him as one of his first actions no doubt and give it back to Mings. Simply needs to be playing further up the pitch or not at all. 

Those throwing bile at him, including on these pages, have short memories.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 21, 2022, 12:08:26 PM
He's been really excellent for us over a period of time and, like almost every other player this season, has "lost form"! For all of them to be playing badly at the same time says more about the system, set up, coaching and tactics than the individuals! He was a stand out player in the Championship, so the step up to the PL was logical....BUT....he's regularly been played out of position (too deep) and had the captaincy thrust upon him in an insensitive and clumsy way by a much lauded ex-player and Head Coach...and he struggles to cope with those two demands.
Removing the arm band from him may be demoralising personally and needs to be handled carefully, but playing him further forward would bring SJM back....imho.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 21, 2022, 01:40:15 PM
Telling.
Percy from the Daily Telegraph said
"John McGinn replaced Mings as captain, but has at times seemed inhibited by the role. Gerrard had planned to drop the Scotland international for the visit of Chelsea on the Friday before the game, but changed his mind and named McGinn in his starting line-up.

McGinn played well against Chelsea, but he is one of a clutch of players Gerrard found himself accused of being too loyal to"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 22, 2022, 08:09:15 PM
Dropped for tomorrow apparently

https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1583895151428177920?s=46&t=dZPNJXLhfE66tuTWhDuN9A
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on October 22, 2022, 08:13:02 PM
Good
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 22, 2022, 08:16:24 PM
If that’s true it would be doing the new manager a big favour.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on October 22, 2022, 08:18:18 PM
Dropped for tomorrow apparently

https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1583895151428177920?s=46&t=dZPNJXLhfE66tuTWhDuN9A (https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1583895151428177920?s=46&t=dZPNJXLhfE66tuTWhDuN9A)

Also from that article in the Torygraph by Matt Law:

Quote
Danks has also left out Jacob Ramsey, the midfielder, from the side that lost at Craven Cottage on Thursday evening.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 22, 2022, 08:18:46 PM
You could drop quite a few in that case
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on October 22, 2022, 08:49:15 PM
Could we be about to see the Renaissance of a certain Morgan Sanson?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 22, 2022, 09:02:20 PM
The bit I’m a bit bothered about is how this got out. Not the decision itself
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 22, 2022, 09:03:13 PM
Telling that it was Ashley Young in Oliver’s ear over the sending off on Thursday and not our captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dr.chekov on October 22, 2022, 09:05:11 PM
The bit I’m a bit bothered about is how this got out. Not the decision itself

True. Not good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 22, 2022, 09:05:57 PM
First thing the new manager should do is as tactfully as possible change the captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on October 22, 2022, 09:19:32 PM
I’m worried why Ramsey has been dropped, unless he’s resting him as he’s probably played every match hasn’t he? At his age that’s a lot of competitive games.

I’m also surprised how this has been leaked. Seems odd and not very professional at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mellin on October 22, 2022, 10:15:39 PM
If McGinn wants to prove himself as a leader, he should take the armband and stick it on Mings' arm himself. It's the only way all this nonsense ends well with all noses in joint.

And I love McGinn. Still. He needs some time out the side to get his head straight though. No shame in it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 22, 2022, 10:51:24 PM
The bit I’m a bit bothered about is how this got out. Not the decision itself

True. Not good.

My first thought, too.

Leaked by a player? I hope not.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 22, 2022, 10:53:16 PM
The bit I’m a bit bothered about is how this got out. Not the decision itself

True. Not good.

My first thought, too.

Leaked by a player? I hope not.

The Torygraph seem to have the inside line at Villa Park these days....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2022, 12:21:11 AM
McGinn was in a pub in the city centre today. I'm not sure if he was drinking or not but he was definitely in the pub.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tomd2103 on October 23, 2022, 12:37:21 AM
First thing the new manager should do is as tactfully as possible change the captain.

Providing he is capable of playing regularly, Ashley Young should be given the armband until the uncertainty at the club is resolved.  Our most experienced player and you can see he is a leader on the pitch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ozzjim on October 23, 2022, 12:40:55 AM
Worryingly, even with Digne fit, Young is in the side for me either in midfield or out wide. His leadership skills are going to be vital this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2022, 01:00:51 AM
I liked Danks when I watched some YouTube vids when he was appointed. He has good coaching pedigree and a positive approach.

There was a lot of passing and move drills which means McGinn dropping out isn't a surprise to me. Plus he's got nothing to lose himself in the selection he puts out there.

I like McGinn but he's woefully out of form (I'm not interested in whether anyone thinks he's shit) and isn't performing at the levels he can reach. A spell out will do him good, I hope he trains like a beast and puts himself in contention again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on October 23, 2022, 02:44:45 AM
Could we be about to see the Renaissance of a certain Morgan Sanson?

Bloody hope so.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 06:29:35 AM
Sanson & Nakamba can’t do any worse than the shit show served up lately.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 23, 2022, 08:39:18 AM
I'm a McGinn fan. He's not shit or fat (however many times people say he is) but he definatley needs taking out the side for a few games as he's not been at it for a while .  It'll do us and him good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2022, 08:40:46 AM
I'm glad he's out of the team, he's shit and fat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villan82 on October 23, 2022, 08:47:45 AM
Some of the personal abuse aimed at him over the last few weeks has been uncalled for and out of order. He can do a job for us for the rest of the season but he is not a ball player and has to be used correctly. He clearly doesn’t like being captain but he does care and the weight of what’s been going on is clearly having a huge affect upon him.

Agree. Some people have short memories. He hasn't had a good 2022 *except for the Man U cup game where he was exceptional) but what professional footballer doesn't hit a sticky patch at some point in their career. The mistake was Gerrard not taking him out of the firing line when it started.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Taylor on October 23, 2022, 08:53:27 AM
I also hope that Mcginn is dropped, however I would certainly be very worried if our interim manager is revealing our line up 24 hours before we kick off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 09:23:55 AM
He needs a few games out and the arm band taken off him. If he can’t handle that then move him on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ozzjim on October 23, 2022, 09:24:06 AM
I somehow doubt it was Dansk revealing it, he would have needed to have the conversation with McGinn though 24 hours out, and I would imagine that is where the leak has emerged from.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 23, 2022, 09:31:21 AM
He needs a few games out and the arm band taken off him. If he can’t handle that then move him on.

I've not seen any suggestion of him not handling it. Why wouldn't he?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 09:33:38 AM
He needs a few games out and the arm band taken off him. If he can’t handle that then move him on.

I've not seen any sugeesting of him not handling it. Why wouldn't he?

Hence the if.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 23, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
McGinn was in a pub in the city centre today. I'm not sure if he was drinking or not but he was definitely in the pub.

That's nothing. I saw Douglas Luiz trying to fix a car.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 23, 2022, 09:54:33 AM
He needs a few games out and the arm band taken off him. If he can’t handle that then move him on.

I've not seen any sugeesting of him not handling it. Why wouldn't he?

Hence the if.

I dont understand the point in creating possible scenarios for a player who hasn't given us a minute of trouble. Players get dropped all the time. He's hardly going to do a Ronaldo.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 10:06:21 AM
Ok
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 23, 2022, 10:39:03 AM
I'm glad he's out of the team, he's shit and fat.

Ha ha, almost inhaled coffee laughing at that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 23, 2022, 10:53:57 AM
Ok

Percy from the Daily Telegraph said
"John McGinn replaced Mings as captain, but has at times seemed inhibited by the role. Gerrard had planned to drop the Scotland international for the visit of Chelsea on the Friday before the game, but changed his mind and named McGinn in his starting line-up."

I'm assuming you'd read this, which i noticed yesterday. Whether that's Percy's opinion or whether someone has told him something from the inside i'm not sure. I don't think you can gauge too much from performances, he's been similar to last season and the end of the one before, i.e. good sometimes, average a lot of the time and occasionally crap. I think like Watkins he needs a little break so i'll be glad to see him out of the team for a couple of matches or maybe more, no reason why Sanson or Nakamba couldn't get a few matches to show whether they're up to it. Same with Archer for Watkins.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 11:05:21 AM
We’ll see if the reports are correct. I bloody hope they are
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 23, 2022, 11:12:49 AM
John McGinn is having a tough time at the moment, something that he has acknowledged himself.

However he has been great for us for the most part since he joined us and has credit in the bank for sure.

He could do with a spell out of the first XI but we need to stick by him.

There are people in this team way more worthy of criticism than John McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on October 23, 2022, 11:14:07 AM
Like who?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 23, 2022, 11:16:05 AM
Like who?

Luiz, Ings. At least McGinn looks like he gives a damn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 23, 2022, 11:19:47 AM
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Like who?
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Oh, and Leon Bailey. I wanted to put my foot through the telly watching Bailey's utterly uninterested 'performance' at Fulham.

Disgusting.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Goldenballs on October 23, 2022, 11:19:50 AM
I don't dislike any of our players, I don't think any of them are taking the piss. Ings runs his bollocks off, they all look like they're trying. It's just been a shambolic mess under Gerrard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 23, 2022, 11:23:17 AM
Like who?

Luiz, Ings. At least McGinn looks like he gives a damn.

Luiz has been probably our best player this season
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on October 23, 2022, 11:23:41 AM
He needs a few games out and the arm band taken off him. If he can’t handle that then move him on.

I've not seen any sugeesting of him not handling it. Why wouldn't he?

Hence the if.

I dont understand the point in creating possible scenarios for a player who hasn't given us a minute of trouble. Players get dropped all the time. He's hardly going to do a Ronaldo.

I agree, there's nothing in his conduct I can criticise him for.  He really does need to be taken out of the firing line and needs to be relieved of the captaincy but I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been said.  I hope he can recharge the batteries so to speak and regain a bit of form.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mellin on October 23, 2022, 11:25:17 AM
Like who?

Luiz, Ings. At least McGinn looks like he gives a damn.

Luiz has been probably our best player this season

Yep. Luiz and Young.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 23, 2022, 11:29:03 AM
Like who?

Luiz, Ings. At least McGinn looks like he gives a damn.

Luiz has been probably our best player this season

Yep. Luiz and Young.

Luiz? I genuinely don't understand what he does.

Is he a defensive midfielder? An attacking one?

The midfield is routinely cited as our biggest problem and he's a mainstay in that midfield.

Maybe I am missing something but I rarely think that Luiz has stood out in a game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mellin on October 23, 2022, 11:35:54 AM
Won the ball. Kept the ball. Where we are at the moment that makes him our best player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 23, 2022, 11:37:46 AM
He was excellent v ManCi£y.


And dropped for the next game!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on October 23, 2022, 11:39:37 AM
I think that’s the issue with Doug, what is he?For me he’s a traditional midfielder who does a bit of everything or an 8 but mostly in all his time in the team he’s been asked to play as the only defensive midfielder, he’s had decent games there but not his speciality.
McGinn has also been asked to play an unnatural game, either too deep or as some auxiliary full back, particularly this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 23, 2022, 11:41:17 AM
McGinn was in a pub in the city centre today. I'm not sure if he was drinking or not but he was definitely in the pub.
Believe he was watching the Celtic match, drinking coffee
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mellin on October 23, 2022, 11:46:09 AM
Doug is an 8 who has spent 3 years playing as a 6. Stick Kamara behind him and Buendia in front of him and I'd be pretty happy with that. He's a good player.

Then out wide play...oh shit. Bring back Bert. But the front 3 is where are problems are now imo. Centre mid looks okay with the right personnel.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on October 23, 2022, 11:46:49 AM
I'm glad he's out of the team, he's shit and fat.

Agreed.

A woeful player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 11:47:22 AM
I think Luiz has been our best midfielder. But that’s not difficult
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 23, 2022, 11:48:42 AM
I'm glad he's out of the team, he's shit and fat.
well that's enough about me, but what about McGinn? :D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tomd2103 on October 23, 2022, 12:48:32 PM
I think that’s the issue with Doug, what is he?For me he’s a traditional midfielder who does a bit of everything or an 8 but mostly in all his time in the team he’s been asked to play as the only defensive midfielder, he’s had decent games there but not his speciality.
McGinn has also been asked to play an unnatural game, either too deep or as some auxiliary full back, particularly this season.

That's the issue with McGinn and Ramsey to some extent - Gerrard's system didn't play to their strengths at all.  I woukd still like to see McGinn further forward, where he coukd lead the press and use his strengths.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: john e on October 23, 2022, 12:50:53 PM
I'm glad he's out of the team, he's shit and fat.

I’m glad he’s out of the team
but he’s a top player and will be back
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 23, 2022, 01:14:39 PM
I feel sorry for him only in this regard. He was put in a spot by the manager that he didn’t need to be put in. McGinn has never come across as a leader more a hard working bee. It clearly impacted him and his football suffered. Add to that he was kept out there by the former manager way more than he should have been. A good manager would have seen it wasn’t working and done something about it sooner. And finally I think we as fans have a higher than reasonable expectation of him relative to his actual ability. McGinn is a very solid PL player who in the right position can give you the odd really excellent game or some top goals. But he’s not the McGinn of the Championship where he was clearly better than that level. He’s not been able to carry that on at PL level because he’s just not good enough.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lescottstweets on October 23, 2022, 01:52:29 PM
Suited to the Championship, hopefully a bench warmer from here on in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Matt C on October 23, 2022, 01:56:17 PM
I don’t know how good McGinn is but I’m certain he’s way better than we’ve seen recently. Not playing out of position, without the weight of a captaincy and after a break from the firing line should help.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AGRIPPA on October 23, 2022, 02:06:23 PM
This is a player who consistently delivers at international level….there’s definitely a very decent player in there who over the last two seasons we’ve rarely seen. Dropping him will probably do us and him a favour…..
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 23, 2022, 02:35:44 PM
This is a player who consistently delivers at international level….there’s definitely a very decent player in there who over the last two seasons we’ve rarely seen. Dropping him will probably do us and him a favour…..

He plays a different role which is part of the issue but at international level most of the games are against crap opponents. Not wanting to dismiss what he’s done because he’s been great for Scotland but the overall weekly quality of the PL is greater than international level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 24, 2022, 02:02:09 AM
I understand people saying making him captain hasn't helped him because it clearly hasn't however he has been poor for a long time now, long before he got given the captaincy. I think it's being used a little as an excuse. He's actually the one player that I don't know what his role is meant to be and haven't for a while now. For instance all the times Luiz has been shit in my head I've always thought 'well he clearly should be in the 2 of a 2-3-1, he's not a solo DM'. When it comes to McGinn I now don't see it, that should be our formation going forward so where does he fit? He shouldn't be in the 2 in my opinion, so who should he be replacing in the 3? Maybe Watkins depending on how he gets on in the wide role in the medium term? I quite like the idea of some freedom between Buendia and Bailey on that left and centre. I just don't know. I don't see it. I know it's against weaker opponents but what is his actual role for Scotland? I can't say I've ever really watched him play for them properly apart from knowing it is in a roughly more attacking position.

Edit: I guess he's back up for Dougie then now, although I don't think he has the passing ability.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on October 24, 2022, 08:38:56 AM
McGinn’s been a fantastic player for us, especially for how much he’s cost. However he is now 27 and probably this is the best he will be, which unfortunately probably isn’t quite good enough for the sort of football we want to play. He slows the game too much.

He might work in another side, a side that soaks up pressure and attacks on the break. A team like Spurs with Conte, or even Brentford.

I reckon unless we appoint Dyche he will be sold this summer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2022, 08:54:08 AM
A 56% pass completion rate for his half an hour on the pitch yesterday, compared to 96% for Dedoncker.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2022, 08:54:35 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ozzjim on October 24, 2022, 08:58:50 AM
His best position for me is where Buendia played yesterday though Chris, not in a holding role, so he has to fight for that spot. The 2 holding mids should be from Luiz, DD, Marv and Kamara when fit. We were noticeably worse when he replaced DD yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on October 24, 2022, 09:00:19 AM
A 56% pass completion rate for his half an hour on the pitch yesterday, compared to 96% for Dedoncker.

I didn't even notice him when he came on, other than him laughing when he got the armband back. I was nicely drunk at that point however.

Loaning him out might rekindle some fire in him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: simboy on October 24, 2022, 09:02:29 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.

Agreed.

But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ger Regan on October 24, 2022, 09:05:57 AM
The thing is that our squad / best set up doesn't really lend itself to playing him in his best position. the midfield pairing needs to be really be 2 of Kamara, Luiz, Dendonker or Nakamba to give us the solid base, and i'm not really sure he'd get ahead of Buendia, Coutinho or even Ramsey for that further advanced role.

EDIT: I see simboy made the same point as me
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2022, 09:31:08 AM

But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.

Part of the problem has been that a 4-3-3 with McGinn and Ramsey in the midfield 3 is neither one thing or the other. The passing just isn't good enough, and Luiz can't do all of the donkey work himself in protecting the defence, so they end up doing nothing especially well. We looked so much better yesterday with the 4-2-3-1, as everybody was doing a job that suited them. You would think with everybody fit that Kamara and Luiz will be first choice as the two, with Dedoncker and Marv as back ups, and then the attcking three will come from Buendia, Bailey, Watkins, Coutinho and Ramsey with McGinn as last pick there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on October 24, 2022, 09:40:53 AM

But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.

Part of the problem has been that a 4-3-3 with McGinn and Ramsey in the midfield 3 is neither one thing or the other. The passing just isn't good enough, and Luiz can't do all of the donkey work himself in protecting the defence, so they end up doing nothing especially well. We looked so much better yesterday with the 4-2-3-1, as everybody was doing a job that suited them. You would think with everybody fit that Kamara and Luiz will be first choice as the two, with Dedoncker and Marv as back ups, and then the attcking three will come from Buendia, Bailey, Watkins, Coutinho and Ramsey with McGinn as last pick there.
Attacking 3 or 4? And, with the current squad Ings and Archer would be in contention for one of those attacking slots. 8 contenders for 4 slots.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 24, 2022, 09:41:05 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.

Agreed.

But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.

I think he’ll pick the sane starting 11 against Newcastle
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: simboy on October 24, 2022, 09:42:04 AM

But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.

Part of the problem has been that a 4-3-3 with McGinn and Ramsey in the midfield 3 is neither one thing or the other. The passing just isn't good enough, and Luiz can't do all of the donkey work himself in protecting the defence, so they end up doing nothing especially well. We looked so much better yesterday with the 4-2-3-1, as everybody was doing a job that suited them. You would think with everybody fit that Kamara and Luiz will be first choice as the two, with Dedoncker and Marv as back ups, and then the attcking three will come from Buendia, Bailey, Watkins, Coutinho and Ramsey with McGinn as last pick there.

I think it depends who we are playing, the "style" of the 4-2-3-1. Against teams we should be attacking then the natural choice is Buendia or Ramsey. Where we want to counter-attack i see McGinn as playing there as he's a better defender [generally] than those two. He plays the role well for Scotland.

 I would also add Chambers to the "Dendoncker" role ahead of McGinn, if fit. 

As to Coutinho ... maybe an[other] expensive mistake. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on October 24, 2022, 09:46:26 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.

Agreed.

But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.

I think he’ll pick the sane starting 11 against Newcastle

He'd be mad not to.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
His best position for me is where Buendia played yesterday though Chris, not in a holding role, so he has to fight for that spot. The 2 holding mids should be from Luiz, DD, Marv and Kamara when fit. We were noticeably worse when he replaced DD yesterday.

I don’t disagree but competition for places is a never a bad thing, keeps players on their toes if they know that a manager means it rather than just talks about it,
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: simboy on October 24, 2022, 09:54:24 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.

Agreed.

But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.

I think he’ll pick the sane starting 11 against Newcastle


Maybe/probably. I just think we will need more " energy" defensively.

Don't get me wrong I thought it was a brilliant performance yesterday. I loved the way we ran the game, from Luiz and Dendoncker to Buendia and Bailey.

 Danks did something that Gerrard rarely did, he picked a formation and team to play the opposition. Gerrard did that when he thought teams would " wipe the floor with us". Whilst i loved being able to name the starting 11 back in 1980/81 and formation, especially after winning - I just think the game moves on. There's a necessity to pick teams and formations to counter the opposition, when the opposition are playing better than you. I think Newcastle are the form side in the league apart from Man Citeh.

 They will know how we intend to get at them. Our "base" looks far more solid when Cash/Young are not expected to provide the attacking threat. Howe will adjust, we need to as well. I actually think we have a squad who are flexible enough to do that. I hope Danks is as well. Maybe same team different formation.

 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 24, 2022, 09:57:09 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.

Agreed.

But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.

I think he’ll pick the sane starting 11 against Newcastle

He'd be mad not to.

He'd be off his head if he didn't.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2022, 10:28:44 AM

But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.

Part of the problem has been that a 4-3-3 with McGinn and Ramsey in the midfield 3 is neither one thing or the other. The passing just isn't good enough, and Luiz can't do all of the donkey work himself in protecting the defence, so they end up doing nothing especially well. We looked so much better yesterday with the 4-2-3-1, as everybody was doing a job that suited them. You would think with everybody fit that Kamara and Luiz will be first choice as the two, with Dedoncker and Marv as back ups, and then the attcking three will come from Buendia, Bailey, Watkins, Coutinho and Ramsey with McGinn as last pick there.
Attacking 3 or 4? And, with the current squad Ings and Archer would be in contention for one of those attacking slots. 8 contenders for 4 slots.

Yep, I meant the attacking three behind the main striker, which for the forseeable future should be Ings with Archer as back up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on October 24, 2022, 10:37:03 AM
With how we started yesterday, Ramsey can come in as a slightly more solid/defensive replacement for Bailey - say if we are winning with 30 mins to go, or to start slightly more cautiously. But I just can't see where McGinn fits into this line-up - unless its third place behind Emi, then Phil as a 10.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2022, 10:40:37 AM
Well, it's up to him now to show what he's made of. The biggest difference for me first half yesterday was how much better we retained and used the ball. McGinn can't keep giving the ball away and expect to keep his place, he doesn't do enough else that's useful to make up for it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 24, 2022, 11:08:31 AM
With how we started yesterday, Ramsey can come in as a slightly more solid/defensive replacement for Bailey - say if we are winning with 30 mins to go, or to start slightly more cautiously. But I just can't see where McGinn fits into this line-up - unless its third place behind Emi, then Phil as a 10.

McGinn could fill in on RW or at 10. I don't think Watkins on either side of the 3 will work against most teams, although he did well v Chelsea and yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he gets back in there but he needs to earn his spot.

McGinn is not suited to the 2, that's between Luiz, Dendocker, Nakamba and Kamara when he is back for gametime.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Vegas on October 24, 2022, 12:11:34 PM
Best option for McGinn in this formation is to come on for Emi in the 10 role. We looked much worse with him in one of the two holding roles.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 28, 2022, 04:52:13 PM
I hope he's left on the bench again against Newcatsle.
Patently not up to it
Emery will have that sussed out and I think his number will be up by season end.

A decent pro but severally limited and hasn't the ounce of authority, leadership or footy intelligence to be a captain.
I wish him well every time he plays for us at Villa but I suspect he's not someone who can now improve and will find hard to adapt or add any thing of real merit once Emery gets going.

When have likes of  Ilkay Gundogan out of contract in summer and with the quality of our new manager being able to attract the likes of such football ability then a  McGinn type needs to be squad player at best. The hustle and bustle is so passé it's what Gerrard would have wanted and is only required for relegating battles.

Time for him to be ousted as both captain and player.
The telling thing is how Gerrard identified as a strength when he's a real weak link in the middle to my observations.
And telling how McGinn had the nerve to criticize the support when he and the players hadn't performed.
No more of Captain McGinn please. Disastrous.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 01:23:52 PM
Been found out.
No place for him in Emerys 11.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on November 06, 2022, 02:55:08 PM
I wonder if he will replace Buendia at HT.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2022, 01:30:15 PM
Was fine when he came on, managed to win a corner and, almost impossibly with that cheating bastard referee, three free kicks. Which was just what we needed to take out any chance of them getting a goal back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2022, 01:31:32 PM
Thought he also shut down the one ploy they were getting a bit of success out of, switching the ball crossfield from their right. He did well of course, but I thought it was yet another clever detail from our manager.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 07, 2022, 01:42:28 PM
And he got a good reception as well
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 07, 2022, 01:46:46 PM
Thought he also shut down the one ploy they were getting a bit of success out of, switching the ball crossfield from their right. He did well of course, but I thought it was yet another clever detail from our manager.

Absolutely spot on - superb tactical change by Emery
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2022, 01:58:43 PM
That will hopefully help him with a bit of confidence too, which I think he's been really struggling with.

We'll need everyone happy and ready to contribute if we're going to win both cups and qualify for the Champions League.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2022, 02:01:52 PM
Hard to see where he's going to start though to be honest. His biggest weakness is giving the ball away, and yesterday showed that if you don't do that as a team, then you're going to have a lot more control in the match. Still, he can see the standards that Emery expects so if he can match those then the clean slate applies as much to him as anybody else and I hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2022, 02:03:33 PM
I suspect we'll see him in different positions and roles to previously. His strengths - running with the ball basically - are much more suited to the wide-midfield roles occupied by Buendia and Ramsey than to the central ones of Doug and Donck.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2022, 02:06:22 PM
Hard to see where he's going to start though to be honest. His biggest weakness is giving the ball away, and yesterday showed that if you don't do that as a team, then you're going to have a lot more control in the match. Still, he can see the standards that Emery expects so if he can match those then the clean slate applies as much to him as anybody else and I hope he proves me wrong.

Things can change quickly. We're bound to get some crippling injuries just as players are finding form, someone gets the shirt and plays well and suddenly the outlook appears different again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on November 07, 2022, 02:27:06 PM
And he got a good reception as well
And rightly so - he had as big a role as the Rat did in getting us back up. He'd done a lot for us in his time here, but is off form and needs a break. Not hounding out of the club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on November 07, 2022, 02:28:18 PM
I suspect we'll see him in different positions and roles to previously. His strengths - running with the ball basically - are much more suited to the wide-midfield roles occupied by Buendia and Ramsey than to the central ones of Doug and Donck.

I agree, I think he'll definitely be in those roles when he plays, having 2 more defensive players, who are more assured passers, in those middle roles is fundamental to playing how we did yesterday, McGinn will never be that sort of player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: rob_bridge on November 07, 2022, 02:30:32 PM
Hard to see where he's going to start though to be honest. His biggest weakness is giving the ball away, and yesterday showed that if you don't do that as a team, then you're going to have a lot more control in the match. Still, he can see the standards that Emery expects so if he can match those then the clean slate applies as much to him as anybody else and I hope he proves me wrong.

I think first goal lead up shows. Watkins drops deep forced deeper but doesn't lose it and doesn't look like losing it for a change. The rest is history. 3 weeks ago that is a best a half way line throw in to us. McGinn needs to show that kind of football brain - if Ollie can do it then anyone can
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2022, 02:30:49 PM
You could easily imagine McGinn and, say, Coutinho coming in for Ramsey and Buendia yesterday and perpetrating a perfectly respectable amount of havoc.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2022, 02:32:29 PM
I reckon he will get some time on the pitch on Thursday as doubt they will want to rush back Kamara too soon and give him a full 90/120 minutes just yet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2022, 02:50:22 PM
He played markedly faster yesterday and in a slightly more advanced and fluid role. Still using his arse to good affect to keep possession. And not taking the captains armband was revealing and I thought liberating for him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 07, 2022, 02:57:35 PM
He played markedly faster yesterday and in a slightly more advanced and fluid role. Still using his arse to good affect to keep possession. And not taking the captains armband was revealing and I thought liberating for him.
McGinn is a captain for Bournemouth or Nottingham Forest, not Aston Villa.
His pedigree is the weakest of any midfielder we have in our first team.
As is his stamina.
No way a top 6 midfielder on a consistent basis. He'll be phased out once we bring in higher calibre of player in my reckoning.

Signing say Lo Celso would illustration the difference in quality and having Sanson well they are both much better players who have competed in the Champions League and are technically superior to the hustle and bustle of McGinn.
McGinn will never play Champions League football for a big club including oursleves because he is simply not at that level for any club of merit. This is my view.

I appreciated his efforts over the years, but as we look to top half football and beyond, he's nothing more than a squad player, and with the goal of improving our playing roster, he's someone I'd rather have on the bench than on the field if even in the squad.

I just don't see how he has any stamina or tactical awareness, as well as far too much of an old-school tendency in his playing style and attitude, to fit into our way of playing. He's a trier at best, and may that be applauded. I would think Emery and the coaches want more from their midfielders than this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 07, 2022, 03:34:31 PM
That will hopefully help him with a bit of confidence too, which I think he's been really struggling with.

We'll need everyone happy and ready to contribute if we're going to win both cups and qualify for the Champions League.

You could easily imagine McGinn and, say, Coutinho coming in for Ramsey and Buendia yesterday and perpetrating a perfectly respectable amount of havoc.

Hard to see where he's going to start though to be honest. His biggest weakness is giving the ball away, and yesterday showed that if you don't do that as a team, then you're going to have a lot more control in the match. Still, he can see the standards that Emery expects so if he can match those then the clean slate applies as much to him as anybody else and I hope he proves me wrong.

And he got a good reception as well
And rightly so - he had as big a role as the Rat did in getting us back up. He'd done a lot for us in his time here, but is off form and needs a break. Not hounding out of the club.

To emphasise  this point of how McGinn's lower level to where we are going and to debate what some above have said well simply I bring in a comparison to other midfield captain's who are way ahead of McGinn in all aspects of football.

So compare John McGinn our Villa Captain with Leicester and Wolves Captains. I argue they are of a higher calibre and proficiency of midfielders  and they have in recently season represented their clubs in European competition. That's the required level to me.

Belgian international Leicester Tielemans, Captain
Look at his passing, his impressive goals, and his talent.

Captain of  Wolves Neves, an international.
His talent, passing range, shooting prowess, and football ability and tenacious I would gladly swap for McGinn.

These are the types of midfielders Villa should be looking to have as essential to our progress. McGinn not at that level let alone a captain.

Theres no agenda it's just straight up observations on what level is needed and why Emery needs to look at a better type of midfielder to improve the overall quality of our midfield. So in my opinion, it's more than adequate and fair to highlight Tielemans and Neves in regards to abilities to show the weaknesses we have in McGinn.

Furthermore, I'm confident that a majority of us here and general football fans would prefer either midfielder to McGinn in our team let alone as captain.
That completely demonstrates how unsuited he is for our development, and I wanted to bring that up in relation to the discussion on McGinn and to those who might harbour hopes for improvement or for him to actually play a role in the future or him as Captain.

I rest my case.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2022, 03:35:47 PM
Deleted for excessive meanness.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on November 07, 2022, 03:42:07 PM
He was much better further forward when he came on yesterday. Don't think Emery will be dropping him back into a holding midfield role.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 07, 2022, 03:47:48 PM
I'll trust Emery knows where to play him and how to use him best within the squad. I trust Emery complicity with how he will handle things and all players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2022, 03:51:14 PM
Most teams in the Premier League have got players that would get into almost every team though, for us Luiz and Martinez fit that bill. If you can get your first 1-11 to fit that criteria then you'll be challenging for thte title like Arsenal this season. McGinn isn't at that level but then nor are 80% of players in the Premier League. Let's see what Emery can do with him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smithy on November 07, 2022, 04:21:14 PM
The captain doesn't have to be the 'best' player in your team, just the player most suited to getting the 'best' team performance. I don't think Jordan Henderson gets in the top 10 of Liverpool's best players, but he's their captain.

McGinn has had a bad 12 months, I doubt anyone is going to dispute that, possibly going slightly backwards. But, like everyone else, he gets a clean slate now, and if he can perform well under a coach who doesn't see him primarily as cover for a marauding full-back, then who knows, we might have a really valuable player back on our hands.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Baldy on November 07, 2022, 06:10:42 PM
I'm with Footy-Vill. McGinn is too much of a 'bull in a china shop'. His passion is admirable but outweighs his control.

For now, he might have a role in the squad until Emery gets an upgrade. One example, 'man to man' marker. Next Thursday we play Man Utd again. This time they will have Bruno Fernandez who will improve them. Put McGinn on him, mark him out the game. SJM is more of a destroyer than a creator at this level of the game.

Currently, in my opinion, he is way down the pecking order from our existing midfield players and that area is also likely to strengthened within the next year. Cash in as soon as replacement found.

Great servant but time to move on and upwards.

 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2022, 06:26:27 PM
Horses for course: McGinn will get to make a meaningful contribution through the rest of the season.
Some on here have had the knives out for McGinn - and I am certainly no fawning advocate of his - but he can still be part of a successful Premier League squad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on November 07, 2022, 08:29:01 PM
We've just got a new manager, a 3-1 win, McGinn came on and did a job and we're here devoting loads of time to sys how shit he is? Fuck me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tomd2103 on November 07, 2022, 09:17:35 PM
He was much better further forward when he came on yesterday. Don't think Emery will be dropping him back into a holding midfield role.

Yep. Got the ball with his back to goal a number of times and either spun the defender or got brought down.  Still think he will be more than useful if he's played in the right role.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2022, 09:21:04 PM
We've just got a new manager, a 3-1 win, McGinn came on and did a job and we're here devoting loads of time to sys how shit he is? Fuck me.

Well, quite.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: robleflaneur on November 07, 2022, 11:26:12 PM
Under Stevie Genius the midfield was a mess.We might be having good options now.I can't see McGinn getting in front of Kamara and Luiz in the central roles.Dendoncker and (next year)Iroegbunam look to be good reserves.
Out wide or as a no 10 maybe  but we have the potential inclusion of Sanson,Coutinho and next year,Aaron Ramsey,  also the wide area looks where Emery might  easily reinforce,especially from Villareal.
His backside would be a huge miss and he has played a pivotal role in our recent history but I think he could be a bargaining chip in getting a more expensive player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 07, 2022, 11:40:46 PM
We've just got a new manager, a 3-1 win, McGinn came on and did a job and we're here devoting loads of time to sys how shit he is? Fuck me.
pity Emery if he doesn't win our next game,off with his head
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 09:08:12 PM
Ridiculous out of sorts first half. Can see it in his face how hard it is to concentrate to stay in his position and for a captaincy he's just not up to it.
Fouls toward end of half was yet again reckless and needless.

To be fair around 68th minutes he started to show some prominence and improving now in match but still pondering on ball a lot.
He also continues to do strange fouls

As captain needs to be offering far more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 10:13:42 PM
He needs to be sold as soon as the January transfer window opens. £5m to Wigan or somewhere back in Scotland. Anywhere, I don't care. Woeful.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 10, 2022, 10:16:53 PM
He was shocking tonight. So slow, like his famous arse was housed in lead underpants.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: TheMalandro on November 10, 2022, 10:19:32 PM
His eyes are too far apart. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on November 10, 2022, 10:26:59 PM
Yes, a shame to be critical of him and he’s been a superb player and influence in our climb from the shit state we were in, however he’s nowhere near good enough. Far too slow with his feet and can’t play a quick passing game.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 10:28:23 PM
He needs to be sold as soon as the January transfer window opens. £5m to Wigan or somewhere back in Scotland. Anywhere, I don't care. Woeful.

Well, that did'nt take long.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 10:30:03 PM
He needs to be sold as soon as the January transfer window opens. £5m to Wigan or somewhere back in Scotland. Anywhere, I don't care. Woeful.

Well, that did'nt take long.

What were you expecting to read in a John McGinn thread, after he's given another godawful display, Clamps?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2022, 10:30:34 PM
He’s not good enough for where we are going. He’s a trier which is all well and good but technically dreadful.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 10:31:59 PM
He needs to be sold as soon as the January transfer window opens. £5m to Wigan or somewhere back in Scotland. Anywhere, I don't care. Woeful.

Well, that did'nt take long.

What were you expecting to read in a John McGinn thread, after he's given another godawful display, Clamps?

That you couldnt help yourself and he wasnt the only one?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 10:32:51 PM
We've just got a new manager, a 3-1 win, McGinn came on and did a job and we're here devoting loads of time to sys how shit he is? Fuck me.

Well, quite.

And now. Can you see what many can see. Didn't particularly aid the cause as a starter or as captain versus Man Utd
Tielemans or Neves wins games and impacts them.
McGinns best achievement was not getting booked today.
Awful tragic and saw how lost he looked on the pitch as well as complete lack of stamina.

He's certainly not a captain
Young who is nearly 10 years old and puts him to shame and as club captain should be having armband over McGinn whenever on the pitch.

Back on the bench sunday McGinn

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 10, 2022, 10:33:28 PM
He needs to be sold as soon as the January transfer window opens. £5m to Wigan or somewhere back in Scotland. Anywhere, I don't care. Woeful.

Well, that did'nt take long.

What were you expecting to read in a John McGinn thread, after he's given another godawful display, Clamps?

That you couldnt help yourself and he wasnt the only one?

He was awful and nobody was pretending he was the only one
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 10:34:38 PM
He’s not good enough for where we are going. He’s a trier which is all well and good but technically dreadful.
Thank you TV. Good to know you know whats required
 I know youre astute despite sometimes us having diiffering views
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 10, 2022, 10:36:12 PM
He'll have two years left on his deal in the summer so really it's the optimum time to sell.

Would be amazed if he's still here in 12 months and we know by now his time as automatic starter finished as soon as Gerrard was sent packing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PhilVill on November 10, 2022, 10:43:55 PM
He just looks completely shot. Hopefully, this six weeks may just give him his confidence back. He would still be an excellent squad player if played to his strengths.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 10:46:13 PM
We've just got a new manager, a 3-1 win, McGinn came on and did a job and we're here devoting loads of time to sys how shit he is? Fuck me.

Well, quite.

And now. Can you see what many can see. Didn't particularly aid the cause as a starter or as captain versus Man Utd
Tielemans or Neves wins games and impacts them.
McGinns best achievement was not getting booked today.
Awful tragic and saw how lost he looked on the pitch as well as complete lack of stamina.

He's certainly not a captain
Young who is nearly 10 years old and puts him to shame and as club captain should be having armband over McGinn whenever on the pitch.

Back on the bench sunday McGinn

It doesn't really change the point Drummond made on Sunday, in that game he came on and did a job to help us beat them at home for the first time in 27 years, it was a truly bizarre time to give him shit.

Today he was shit, gave possession away too cheaply and looked miles off the pace. Tonight's criticism is perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 11:04:59 PM
But it's the same people giving him the same shit. It's as if they can't help themselves and they accuse Footy of doing the same thing (which he does). No, he's not been his best and tonight, I forgot he was even on the pitch. He's been fantastic for us though. If he gets it back, great. If he dosent, then, thanks and goodbye.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: usav on November 10, 2022, 11:05:14 PM
It’s also perfectly reasonable to say he’s been shit for 90% of this season and more often than not since lock down.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Des Little on November 10, 2022, 11:06:01 PM
I’ve been a big fan of his, but tonight he looked way off. Appeared to be running in a swimming pool at times, so slow. He’s definitely for the broth pot next summer I would imagine.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 10, 2022, 11:08:44 PM
He was great for us in the Championship. Personally, I think that's his level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on November 10, 2022, 11:15:30 PM
He was great for us in the Championship. Personally, I think that's his level.

Same here. I feel uncomfortable watching him nowadays. Unprofessional performance after unprofessional performance.

Looks out of shape.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 11:17:33 PM
I don't see much point getting into a shit throwing contest of how long he's been poor for. We all know he's had a terrible season so far and looks like the captaincy has completely hobbled him. He won't start on Sunday so lets see what happens with a long break and a chance fo emery to address his problems.

For me I don't think he's anything like as bad a player as some suggest but I also struggle to see where he fits under Emery other than as a sub to do a very specific job.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OzVilla on November 11, 2022, 12:29:13 AM
And there were rumours of 50 million bids from Man Utd last Summer. Be lucky to get half that now.

His metabolism and a lack of confidence have caught up with him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 12:29:52 AM
And there were rumours of 50 million bids from Man Utd last Summer. Be lucky to get half that now.

His metabolism and a lack of confidence have caught up with him.

£25m?! Not a chance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2022, 12:53:02 AM
But it's the same people giving him the same shit. It's as if they can't help themselves and they accuse Footy of doing the same thing (which he does). No, he's not been his best and tonight, I forgot he was even on the pitch. He's been fantastic for us though. If he gets it back, great. If he dosent, then, thanks and goodbye.

When was the last time he was fantastic for us?

We’ve been waiting for him to perform for a long, long time, and people are saying we should be doing exactly what you say in your last sentence.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on November 11, 2022, 01:34:56 AM
He's a good Championship midfielder. Thanks Meatball, but if were going to move upwards he needs selling. Not even a top 10 squad player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on November 11, 2022, 01:36:03 AM
Was surprised he wasn't hooked as he did look as if he was breathing through his arse in the last 15 minutes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 11, 2022, 01:41:53 AM
Was surprised he wasn't hooked as he did look as if he was breathing through his arse in the last 15 minutes.
I fully expected him to be the first one to go off.
Like many I think he has been really excellent for us in the past and I have been very reluctant to criticise him, but tonight he was truly awful and we carried him for over 90 minutes. Slow, sluggish, wasteful in possession and lunging into tackles like a pub player. If we want to progress we can't afford to do that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2022, 02:23:52 AM
And there were rumours of 50 million bids from Man Utd last Summer. Be lucky to get half that now.

His metabolism and a lack of confidence have caught up with him.

£25m?! Not a chance.

£10m would be a good result. We had a couple of very good years from him, but sadly the last 18 months have shown he just isn't quite up to it.

Sell him next summer and we should make a profit on him. I think he'd be perfect for a newly-promoted team, and it would give him the chance to play regularly as he enters what should be his peak years.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2022, 06:53:48 AM
But it's the same people giving him the same shit. It's as if they can't help themselves and they accuse Footy of doing the same thing (which he does). No, he's not been his best and tonight, I forgot he was even on the pitch. He's been fantastic for us though. If he gets it back, great. If he dosent, then, thanks and goodbye.

I don’t think it is the same people, I think a lot of people have been reluctant to say something in the hope he turns it around due to respect of what he’s been for us.

Unfortunately I don’t think it’s even down to form, he’s just not got the speed of thought or the skill set. Granted he will huff and puff like against Man City when our possession of the ball is lucky to be around 28% his effort will count and he will have a good game based on that desire of his, I just think people are realising as much as you they like him, a realisation is happening that it isn’t going to change.

Its the same with Mings, as much as I love him and we are a far better team with him at the moment, he’s not going to be the player we need to make the next step forward. Probably the same with Konsa.

The only difference with those two is currently they are our best two centre halves but we’ve got four or five players ahead of McGinn now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2022, 08:41:00 AM
He came on at the weekend and immediately started giving the ball away. He spent the whole match doing that last night.

He’s a great Championship player but we are never going to prosper with him in the team at this level.

He doesn’t deserve abuse - which is why he’s not getting any - but ‘great guy’ sentiment is one of the first emotions we are going to have to ditch if we are serious about improving.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2022, 09:22:30 AM
He came on at the weekend and immediately started giving the ball away. He spent the whole match doing that last night.

He’s a great Championship player but we are never going to prosper with him in the team at this level.

He doesn’t deserve abuse - which is why he’s not getting any - but ‘great guy’ sentiment is one of the first emotions we are going to have to ditch if we are serious about improving.

Yes, I love the bloke but he looks totally shot. Sansom needs to be in front of him now as 'first change', we need to see what he can do and he can't be any worse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2022, 10:34:22 AM
He's really out of form right now, and I hope he turns that around.

The bigger question is whether or not he's good enough when he's on form.

Last season's stats had him placed really high in the whole division for tackles etc, I posted those stats a while back. That to me shows he's a good player; the main issue is his distribution and retention of the ball.

He has a specific skill set, gets stuck in and is an asset when he's on his game. Personally, I think it's too soon to write him off, even though I understand why many have. Gut feeling is that he got lost in Gerrard's system, and the captaincy did him no favours,i don't think he's the cleverest player either a d you can see him looking lost right now.

With Emery and his new team in place, I like to think they will focus on what's needed and that we'll see a big reset and upturn in form after the World Cup. If we don't, then perhaps in the summer it's time to move on, or accept being a squad player.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Martyn Smith on November 11, 2022, 10:37:16 AM
He seems a better destroyer than creator. He did brickwall a couple of their attacks really well last night.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 10:49:22 AM
He's really out of form right now, and I hope he turns that around.

The bigger question is whether or not he's good enough when he's on form.

Last season's stats had him placed really high in the whole division for tackles etc, I posted those stats a while back. That to me shows he's a good player; the main issue is his distribution and retention of the ball.

He has a specific skill set, gets stuck in and is an asset when he's on his game. Personally, I think it's too soon to write him off, even though I understand why many have. Gut feeling is that he got lost in Gerrard's system, and the captaincy did him no favours,i don't think he's the cleverest player either a d you can see him looking lost right now.

With Emery and his new team in place, I like to think they will focus on what's needed and that we'll see a big reset and upturn in form after the World Cup. If we don't, then perhaps in the summer it's time to move on, or accept being a squad player.



Kamara was number one in the Premier League for tackles before his injury. The big plus with him though is that he can pass the ball, and looks like he's got a hell of a lot of potential. Dendoncker is also a better tackler and a better passer of the ball. I think that in the two players I've mentioned, plus Luiz, Ramsey and Buendia, we have better options all round than McGinn. He's not very good at any one aspect of the game and the others are all better at specific things, eg Ramsey at running with the ball and scoring, Buendia at apotting 30 yard passes etc, Luiz at keeping things ticking over.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: simboy on November 11, 2022, 11:07:40 AM
He's really out of form right now, and I hope he turns that around.

The bigger question is whether or not he's good enough when he's on form.

Last season's stats had him placed really high in the whole division for tackles etc, I posted those stats a while back. That to me shows he's a good player; the main issue is his distribution and retention of the ball.

He has a specific skill set, gets stuck in and is an asset when he's on his game. Personally, I think it's too soon to write him off, even though I understand why many have. Gut feeling is that he got lost in Gerrard's system, and the captaincy did him no favours,i don't think he's the cleverest player either a d you can see him looking lost right now.

With Emery and his new team in place, I like to think they will focus on what's needed and that we'll see a big reset and upturn in form after the World Cup. If we don't, then perhaps in the summer it's time to move on, or accept being a squad player.



Kamara was number one in the Premier League for tackles before his injury. The big plus with him though is that he can pass the ball, and looks like he's got a hell of a lot of potential. Dendoncker is also a better tackler and a better passer of the ball. I think that in the two players I've mentioned, plus Luiz, Ramsey and Buendia, we have better options all round than McGinn. He's not very good at any one aspect of the game and the others are all better at specific things, eg Ramsey at running with the ball and scoring, Buendia at apotting 30 yard passes etc, Luiz at keeping things ticking over.

Agreed. It's time for him to move on. Benefit all parties. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 11, 2022, 01:01:01 PM
I think as an impact sub he has a role to play. But his lack of form has been so long it’s difficult to remember him having a good game for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 01:02:39 PM
I think as an impact sub he has a role to play.

In what way, he hasn't had an impact for the best part of 18 months. You're never going to get a goal from him, so what's the point?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on November 11, 2022, 01:06:33 PM
He's been out of form longer than the DFS sale.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 11, 2022, 01:09:03 PM
I think as an impact sub he has a role to play.

In what way, he hasn't had an impact for the best part of 18 months. You're never going to get a goal from him, so what's the point?
With 5 subs his energy and hustle might be an option off the bench, but I might be clutching at straws.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on November 11, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
Terrible player.

Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2022, 01:33:35 PM
Terrible player.

Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D

I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.

He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.

Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 01:36:31 PM
Terrible player.

Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D

I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.

He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.

Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.

I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on November 11, 2022, 01:42:31 PM
He's really out of form right now, and I hope he turns that around.
The bigger question is whether or not he's good enough when he's on form.
Last season's stats had him placed really high in the whole division for tackles etc, I posted those stats a while back. That to me shows he's a good player; the main issue is his distribution and retention of the ball.

He has a specific skill set, gets stuck in and is an asset when he's on his game. Personally, I think it's too soon to write him off, even though I understand why many have. Gut feeling is that he got lost in Gerrard's system, and the captaincy did him no favours,i don't think he's the cleverest player either a d you can see him looking lost right now.
With Emery and his new team in place, I like to think they will focus on what's needed and that we'll see a big reset and upturn in form after the World Cup. If we don't, then perhaps in the summer it's time to move on, or accept being a squad player.
Kamara was number one in the Premier League for tackles before his injury. The big plus with him though is that he can pass the ball, and looks like he's got a hell of a lot of potential. Dendoncker is also a better tackler and a better passer of the ball. I think that in the two players I've mentioned, plus Luiz, Ramsey and Buendia, we have better options all round than McGinn. He's not very good at any one aspect of the game and the others are all better at specific things, eg Ramsey at running with the ball and scoring, Buendia at spotting 30 yard passes etc, Luiz at keeping things ticking over.
I was surprised Sanson didn't get on the pitch at around 65 minutes last night: from the little we've seen, he looks like a footballing McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 01:51:10 PM
Terrible player.

Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D

I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.

He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.

Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.

I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.

Olsen is an international keeper. He’s not even worth that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2022, 01:54:56 PM
He's worth a fiver for the comedy show though.

McGinn has a role. For me it's playing off a striker and initiating a high press, something I'm sure we'll see Emery try in the second half of the season. He can be terrific on his day, but his use of the ball over the last 18 months or more now has been dire.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2022, 02:50:07 PM
Emery wants us to keep possession of the ball hence playing it out from the back seemingly at all costs, playing McGinn is counter productive to that.  He offers us something in an old school midfield role kind of way which might come in handy now and then. Squad player now or offload in Jan at the right price.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: villadelph on November 11, 2022, 02:55:37 PM
He's worth a fiver for the comedy show though.

McGinn has a role. For me it's playing off a striker and initiating a high press, something I'm sure we'll see Emery try in the second half of the season. He can be terrific on his day, but his use of the ball over the last 18 months or more now has been dire.

He just has no idea how to play with tempo anymore. Every time the ball comes to him, he wants to shield off the nearest player with his backside and peel off of him to create the space. When really, he can just play a 3yd pass to JJ or Emi. He doesn't seem to "get it". The amount of attention Joe use to command would leave him with plenty of time and space.. not the case anymore. Its a shame, but I have no idea how he fits into this team when Kamara and Doug are showing that they're up for it and JJ, Leon and Ollie have the ability to get forward and create.

We should hold our nerve and get a decent sum for him. He is still admired around the league because they don't see him day in and day out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2022, 02:57:24 PM
McGinn's stats are pretty damn good though, regardless of what people may feel they see.

From one-versus-one

He has scored 3 times after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. This makes him the number 102 scorer in the Premier League so far. His conversion rate for shots to goals is 37.

John McGinn has 4 assists after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. With these statistics he ranks number 41 in the Premier League. He also has a total of 26 chances created. With these statistics he ranks number 36 in the Premier League.

In season 2021/2022. He has won 57 aerial duels and 176 tackles. On top of this he made a total of 14 blocks. Based on these statistics after match day 38 he ranks on number 2 in the Premier League.

He is a Midfielder - Right central in Aston Villa. Within his team of Aston Villa he is currently ranked 1 best player of his team based on our 1vs1 Index Aston Villa.

Also.... McGinn won more tackles than any other Premier League player last season and won more fouls than anyone else bar Zaha. He was the 20th biggest threat going forwards too.

In summary he's an all-round player with a great attitude.

Part of the reason Mings lost it in my view is that he was top of the Yellow Card list last season (and his partner Konsa top of the Red Card list.)

I'm doing this again, because for some reason, people seem to want to make loads of crap up about him not being good enough for 18 months plus. These are last season's stats, under Gerrard, one of the worst managers we've ever had. Though for some reason, the people who defended Gerrard to the hilt want to have a go at McGinn.

The stats suggest he's great defensively, and not bad going forward, when he's playing well. And as has been said he's woefully out of form, but that doesn't make him shit forever.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Simon Page on November 11, 2022, 03:02:43 PM
That's just wrong on every level Drummond. There are only two states of Villa player. Worldy or quadriplegic.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed
Post by: villadelph on November 11, 2022, 03:17:19 PM
McGinn's stats are pretty damn good though, regardless of what people may feel they see.

From one-versus-one

He has scored 3 times after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. This makes him the number 102 scorer in the Premier League so far. His conversion rate for shots to goals is 37.

John McGinn has 4 assists after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. With these statistics he ranks number 41 in the Premier League. He also has a total of 26 chances created. With these statistics he ranks number 36 in the Premier League.

In season 2021/2022. He has won 57 aerial duels and 176 tackles. On top of this he made a total of 14 blocks. Based on these statistics after match day 38 he ranks on number 2 in the Premier League.

He is a Midfielder - Right central in Aston Villa. Within his team of Aston Villa he is currently ranked 1 best player of his team based on our 1vs1 Index Aston Villa.

Also.... McGinn won more tackles than any other Premier League player last season and won more fouls than anyone else bar Zaha. He was the 20th biggest threat going forwards too.

In summary he's an all-round player with a great attitude.

Part of the reason Mings lost it in my view is that he was top of the Yellow Card list last season (and his partner Konsa top of the Red Card list.)

I'm doing this again, because for some reason, people seem to want to make loads of crap up about him not being good enough for 18 months plus. These are last season's stats, under Gerrard, one of the worst managers we've ever had. Though for some reason, the people who defended Gerrard to the hilt want to have a go at McGinn.

The stats suggest he's great defensively, and not bad going forward, when he's playing well. And as has been said he's woefully out of form, but that doesn't make him shit forever.

We've all seen McGinn on his best day, and worryingly through the first third of the season he has been absolutely abysmal. We say his best position is a more advanced role as seen with Scotland, but all of the statistics provided above seem to suggest he's better defensively. At the moment, neither are true. He's not drawing the fouls that he used to, he's been irresponsible with the ball at his feet and he has been anonymous in the final third.

The club has to consider his current value and determine if that value will either continue to rise or begin to plateau and decrease. We cannot keep letting players leave for nothing or push them out of the setup with loan to buy deal at foreign clubs. If a decent offer comes in, it should absolutely be considered. His form is his responsibility.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2022, 03:18:41 PM
Terrible player.

Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D

I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.

He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.

Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.

I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.

He's an international for Scotland. Not Brazil.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 03:26:05 PM
Terrible player.

Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D

I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.

He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.

Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.

I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.

He's an international for Scotland. Not Brazil.

What kind of argument is that? There'd be a queue a mile long if we only wanted £5m for him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
Possibly an interesting question to think about, if he'd spent the last 4 years at say Palace, who would want us to sign him and for what transfer fee?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 03:33:50 PM
The answer is not 'let Celtic have him for £5m'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2022, 03:33:59 PM
Terrible player.

Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D

I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.

He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.

Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.

I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.

He's an international for Scotland. Not Brazil.

What kind of argument is that? There'd be a queue a mile long if we only wanted £5m for him.

Obviously that there is a difference between the Scotland squad and the Brazil one.

Would you want us to pay £5m for one of San Marino's midfielders, just on the basis they are an international? That's what you're suggesting.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2022, 03:38:29 PM
The answer is not 'let Celtic have him for £5m'.

So would you want us to sign him, and if so, for how much?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 03:45:31 PM
The answer is not 'let Celtic have him for £5m'.

So would you want us to sign him, and if so, for how much?

I've always liked him, so yes. As for how much, well I dont think £20m is unreasonable. I think we would easily fetch near to that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 03:46:49 PM
Terrible player.

Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D

I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.

He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.

Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.

I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.

He's an international for Scotland. Not Brazil.

What kind of argument is that? There'd be a queue a mile long if we only wanted £5m for him.

Obviously that there is a difference between the Scotland squad and the Brazil one.

Would you want us to pay £5m for one of San Marino's midfielders, just on the basis they are an international? That's what you're suggesting.

I can't think of too many San Marino players in the top league in England can you?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2022, 03:56:22 PM
Terrible player.

Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D

I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.

He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.

Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.

I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.

He's an international for Scotland. Not Brazil.

What kind of argument is that? There'd be a queue a mile long if we only wanted £5m for him.

Obviously that there is a difference between the Scotland squad and the Brazil one.

Would you want us to pay £5m for one of San Marino's midfielders, just on the basis they are an international? That's what you're suggesting.

I can't think of too many San Marino players in the top league in England can you?

That wasn't what you said.

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an international midfielder

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I dont think £20m is unreasonable

You'd want us to sign McGinn for £20m?  ;D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 03:59:27 PM
You bought up San Marino, nobody else.

Yes, let's flog a player for £5m because he's out of form. I shouldnt laugh really.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 04:07:20 PM
You bought up San Marino, nobody else.

Yes, let's flog a player for £5m because he's out of form. I shouldnt laugh really.

It's no more ludicrous than your suggestion of £20m. I think the realistic amount would be somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2022, 04:10:45 PM
You bought up San Marino, nobody else.

Yes, let's flog a player for £5m because he's out of form. I shouldnt laugh really.

Because you said international midfielders are worth more than £5m purely due to them being internationals.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 04:11:50 PM
I think we'd get more than £10m as well, especially the way transfer prices are nowadays. £20m is not that ludricrous. How much did Morgan Gibbs-White go for again?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 04:41:32 PM
I think we'd get more than £10m as well, especially the way transfer prices are nowadays. £20m is not that ludricrous. How much did Morgan Gibbs-White go for again?

£25m plus a load of add ons. Forest were paying silly money for potential though, as Chelsea were when they took Chukwuemeka off us. Older players who are out of favour at their current club tend not to go for as much. See Maupay to Everton for £15m, or Matt Targett to Newcastle for £12m.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on November 11, 2022, 04:47:34 PM
He loves Celtic and they love him, but they can't afford more than £5m so do them a favour and let wee John win some cups.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
He loves Celtic and they love him, but they can't afford more than £5m so do them a favour and let wee John win some cups.

Depends. If somebody else were to offer closer to what he's currently worth (probably £8-12m) then balls to Celtic.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 12, 2022, 11:15:28 AM
The Villa Podcast did a really good (funny as always) summary SJM yesterday, it very much summed up my feelings. I do love McGinn, that promotion side is one of my favourite Villa sides for a very long time, at least going back to early O’Neil. And in that team there was an axis of four players that were the heartbeat, Grealish, Mings, Abraham and McGinn. I will forever remember games away at Sheffield Wednesday when he was absolutely brilliant.
But he is just not good enough for this level. I think momentum from the promotion run carried him into the premier league and he looked decent for the first couple of months, but apart from the odd game he’s never looked at it since the ankle break. He was like a mad dog on Thursday, stopping round the pitch like a headless chicken, a booking or sending off waiting to happen, he got caught on the ball so many times, the awful cross that went straight out of play, when it was still 2-3 summed it all up.
I really don’t want my memories of SJM tarnished anymore and i think it would be good for all concerned if he was phased out of the team and sold in the summer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2022, 12:26:23 PM
The Villa Podcast did a really good (funny as always) summary SJM yesterday, it very much summed up my feelings. I do love McGinn, that promotion side is one of my favourite Villa sides for a very long time, at least going back to early O’Neil. And in that team there was an axis of four players that were the heartbeat, Grealish, Mings, Abraham and McGinn. I will forever remember games away at Sheffield Wednesday when he was absolutely brilliant.
But he is just not good enough for this level. I think momentum from the promotion run carried him into the premier league and he looked decent for the first couple of months, but apart from the odd game he’s never looked at it since the ankle break. He was like a mad dog on Thursday, stopping round the pitch like a headless chicken, a booking or sending off waiting to happen, he got caught on the ball so many times, the awful cross that went straight out of play, when it was still 2-3 summed it all up.
I really don’t want my memories of SJM tarnished anymore and i think it would be good for all concerned if he was phased out of the team and sold in the summer.

I remember the ankle break and, while I had sympathy for him of course, I didn’t think we’d miss him much as he hadn’t been playing well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 12, 2022, 01:14:51 PM
The Villa Podcast did a really good (funny as always) summary SJM yesterday, it very much summed up my feelings. I do love McGinn, that promotion side is one of my favourite Villa sides for a very long time, at least going back to early O’Neil. And in that team there was an axis of four players that were the heartbeat, Grealish, Mings, Abraham and McGinn. I will forever remember games away at Sheffield Wednesday when he was absolutely brilliant.
But he is just not good enough for this level. I think momentum from the promotion run carried him into the premier league and he looked decent for the first couple of months, but apart from the odd game he’s never looked at it since the ankle break. He was like a mad dog on Thursday, stopping round the pitch like a headless chicken, a booking or sending off waiting to happen, he got caught on the ball so many times, the awful cross that went straight out of play, when it was still 2-3 summed it all up.
I really don’t want my memories of SJM tarnished anymore and i think it would be good for all concerned if he was phased out of the team and sold in the summer.

I remember the ankle break and, while I had sympathy for him of course, I didn’t think we’d miss him much as he hadn’t been playing well.

Fair enough, but i thought  he was playing as well as anyone in a struggling side. There was a palpable murmur round the ground that day when he got injured, like a lot of people thought we’d lost an important player. Either way, he’s not good now and shouldn’t be anywhere other than the subs bench and should be moved on sooner rather than later with thanks for the promotion memories.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 12, 2022, 02:32:46 PM
The Villa Podcast did a really good (funny as always) summary SJM yesterday, it very much summed up my feelings. I do love McGinn, that promotion side is one of my favourite Villa sides for a very long time, at least going back to early O’Neil. And in that team there was an axis of four players that were the heartbeat, Grealish, Mings, Abraham and McGinn. I will forever remember games away at Sheffield Wednesday when he was absolutely brilliant.
But he is just not good enough for this level. I think momentum from the promotion run carried him into the premier league and he looked decent for the first couple of months, but apart from the odd game he’s never looked at it since the ankle break. He was like a mad dog on Thursday, stopping round the pitch like a headless chicken, a booking or sending off waiting to happen, he got caught on the ball so many times, the awful cross that went straight out of play, when it was still 2-3 summed it all up.
I really don’t want my memories of SJM tarnished anymore and i think it would be good for all concerned if he was phased out of the team and sold in the summer.
I was shocked by the actual performance from him,
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 12, 2022, 03:10:09 PM
He went charging at someone and they simply stepped inside him, and out of nowhere the line, "I wonder what Brett Holman's up to these days" crossed my mind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2022, 06:36:31 PM
So still people say he should be moved on, despite ranking 1st in the division in various stats last season. So far we've only played 14 games this under three managers. The first of which is the worst we've had in decades.

Take him out of the squad, give the new manager time with him but don't sell now, it's a waste. There are others to get rid of before McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 12, 2022, 07:02:18 PM
So still people say he should be moved on, despite ranking 1st in the division in various stats last season.

First in the division in which stats?

Calories consumed?

Greggs' loyalty points?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 12, 2022, 07:13:31 PM
So still people say he should be moved on, despite ranking 1st in the division in various stats last season.

First in the division in which stats?

Calories consumed?

Greggs' loyalty points?

No need for that, I believe he was No. 1 for Iniesta puns.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 12, 2022, 11:02:20 PM
So still people say he should be moved on, despite ranking 1st in the division in various stats last season. So far we've only played 14 games this under three managers. The first of which is the worst we've had in decades.

Take him out of the squad, give the new manager time with him but don't sell now, it's a waste. There are others to get rid of before McGinn.

Care to share the stats?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 12, 2022, 11:08:23 PM
2019/20 Premier League pie eating champion
2020/21 Premier League pie eating champion
2021/22 Premier League pie eating champion
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
He was the number one for tackles in the Premier League last season according to those stats apparently. Perhaps if he didn't give the ball away so often, he wouldn't have to make so many tackles.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aj2k77 on November 12, 2022, 11:32:50 PM
He's been totally pish for the best part of 2 seasons now and his limitations are there for all to see. However, he was part of the squad that turned the club around from being a load of half arsed, couldn't be bothered, last pay cheque no marks back in to professionals that cared about their performance and the club. He loved/loves the Villa and I myself feel a bit uncomfortable with some of the personal jibes about him. He might not be good enough anymore but I've a lot of respect for the job he did and the group that he helped forge that got us back stable. He is a bit crap though, yes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 12, 2022, 11:54:51 PM
I still think he could be good enough, we will see how he does under a good manager. If he doesn't improve, he should still go with the best wishes of any Villa fan given his contribution to our revival and that, even when he's off form, nobody could ever question his commitment to the cause.

The people that fall over themselves to see how much they can abuse him are weirdos, IMO.

It's more an online phenomenon, I notice. He always gets serenaded when he comes on in matches.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 13, 2022, 12:23:21 AM
I think people have a lot of love for him still, and want him to not be shit. And he has one of our most popular/best songs which helps.

The stat about being number one for tackles is fine, but look at the other players on that list and it's hardly an indicator of being a good player.

A bit like Deano, loved him for what he did to get us up and in the survival season but he's not very good and we need better players than him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2022, 12:50:59 AM
I still think he could be good enough, we will see how he does under a good manager. If he doesn't improve, he should still go with the best wishes of any Villa fan given his contribution to our revival and that, even when he's off form, nobody could ever question his commitment to the cause.

The people that fall over themselves to see how much they can abuse him are weirdos, IMO.

It's more an online phenomenon, I notice. He always gets serenaded when he comes on in matches.

He's been booed several times this season. I don't agree with that, but the idea that he hasn't had stick from the stands is plain wrong.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 13, 2022, 12:59:06 AM
They were saying Boooo-urns.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on November 13, 2022, 02:20:23 AM
I still think he could be good enough, we will see how he does under a good manager. If he doesn't improve, he should still go with the best wishes of any Villa fan given his contribution to our revival and that, even when he's off form, nobody could ever question his commitment to the cause.

The people that fall over themselves to see how much they can abuse him are weirdos, IMO.

It's more an online phenomenon, I notice. He always gets serenaded when he comes on in matches.

He's been booed several times this season. I don't agree with that, but the idea that he hasn't had stick from the stands is plain wrong.

Yeah, he doesn't deserve that. He always gives us 100%.

Not that I'm blaming Gerrard whatsoever, but maybe he gave him the captaincy thinking it would bring him to a whole new level. Sadly it did, but a level down.

I don't think he's been right since Grealish left.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2022, 02:57:08 AM
He's been totally pish for the best part of 2 seasons now and his limitations are there for all to see. However, he was part of the squad that turned the club around from being a load of half arsed, couldn't be bothered, last pay cheque no marks back in to professionals that cared about their performance and the club. He loved/loves the Villa and I myself feel a bit uncomfortable with some of the personal jibes about him. He might not be good enough anymore but I've a lot of respect for the job he did and the group that he helped forge that got us back stable. He is a bit crap though, yes.

All of this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2022, 06:23:25 AM
but he dresses up as a massive turkey and is great for the bantz.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 13, 2022, 07:49:28 AM
He's been totally pish for the best part of 2 seasons now and his limitations are there for all to see. However, he was part of the squad that turned the club around from being a load of half arsed, couldn't be bothered, last pay cheque no marks back in to professionals that cared about their performance and the club. He loved/loves the Villa and I myself feel a bit uncomfortable with some of the personal jibes about him. He might not be good enough anymore but I've a lot of respect for the job he did and the group that he helped forge that got us back stable. He is a bit crap though, yes.

All of this.

Yes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 13, 2022, 09:20:19 AM
He's been totally pish for the best part of 2 seasons now and his limitations are there for all to see. However, he was part of the squad that turned the club around from being a load of half arsed, couldn't be bothered, last pay cheque no marks back in to professionals that cared about their performance and the club. He loved/loves the Villa and I myself feel a bit uncomfortable with some of the personal jibes about him. He might not be good enough anymore but I've a lot of respect for the job he did and the group that he helped forge that got us back stable. He is a bit crap though, yes.

All of this.

Yes.
Thirded
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 13, 2022, 01:06:52 PM
Also agree.
I have ( albeit dwindling) hope that the new manager, and his coaches , improve him and realise he’s better further up than where he’s playing.

Do I think it will happen ? No
Would I like it to happen? Hell yeah
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 13, 2022, 01:11:46 PM
Starting today !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2022, 01:29:04 PM
So still people say he should be moved on, despite ranking 1st in the division in various stats last season. So far we've only played 14 games this under three managers. The first of which is the worst we've had in decades.

Take him out of the squad, give the new manager time with him but don't sell now, it's a waste. There are others to get rid of before McGinn.

Care to share the stats?

I have three times on this thread already
Search stats Drummond and they'll appear fairly high in the results.

He had good stats in various areas last season. He's not a bad player, he's just woefully out of form. Why not give the new coaching team some time?

I guess there's always someone we have to moan about though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on November 13, 2022, 01:37:24 PM
He's been totally pish for the best part of 2 seasons now and his limitations are there for all to see. However, he was part of the squad that turned the club around from being a load of half arsed, couldn't be bothered, last pay cheque no marks back in to professionals that cared about their performance and the club. He loved/loves the Villa and I myself feel a bit uncomfortable with some of the personal jibes about him. He might not be good enough anymore but I've a lot of respect for the job he did and the group that he helped forge that got us back stable. He is a bit crap though, yes.

Well said.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 13, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
Today at Brighton had so far demonstrated good energy to enter the danger zone. In fact, he was the player who was fouled for the penalty and who could have scored with a tap-in.
So far, using him as the runner and playing to his strengths has worked out well.
Excellent work, carry on till your subbed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 13, 2022, 02:49:21 PM
Decent first half
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2022, 02:57:34 PM
Match thread.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on November 13, 2022, 04:10:00 PM
I thought he did well today.  Did the dirty things well and covered a lot of ground for us.  It always good to see opposition fans giving our players stick, when that happens, we know our lads are doing their job.  Credit where it's due, JM was much better today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 13, 2022, 04:10:58 PM
Much more like it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on November 13, 2022, 04:21:53 PM
Great run to win the penalty and worked very hard throughout.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: supertom on November 13, 2022, 04:26:07 PM
I like MgGinn playing on the right and coming inside. Seems to suit him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on November 13, 2022, 04:35:08 PM
He gets a tad bit of abuse on here so it's only fair when he has a good game to call it.. It looked more like the McGinn of old and he used his arse to good effect.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ger Regan on November 13, 2022, 04:36:20 PM
Far from faultless but a lot better today, added to our stability
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 13, 2022, 04:36:36 PM
He was much better today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2022, 04:36:59 PM
He improved as the game went on. But he is a liability on the ball, and for the way Emery will want to play he won’t be a long term starting option. But he helped us see out the game and his effort and tracking back should be commended.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2022, 04:43:39 PM
His best 90 minutes for two years, today. Good to see.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on November 13, 2022, 04:45:26 PM
Credit’s where it’s due, he did well today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2022, 04:47:32 PM
His best 90 minutes for two years, today. Good to see.

Very much so. Did his job well today.  I’ll forgive him that one pass to put Ramsey through in first half.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 13, 2022, 04:48:59 PM
Much better SJM. I hope it’s the start of his renaissance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: passport1 on November 13, 2022, 04:51:42 PM
A dogged battler for us today and sometimes that is exactly the type of player that is needed .
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on November 13, 2022, 05:05:49 PM
It looked to me that he showed a decent bit of pace for the run that resulted in the penalty, that has to be good as he's never been known for his speed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 13, 2022, 06:17:32 PM
Better today. Needs to learn how to stop, and look for a pass though
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 13, 2022, 06:39:00 PM
One of his biggest critics here. He had a mad few minutes where he kept needlessly giving the ball away but overall he definitely made a contribution. Was great in the seeing out time shithousing in added time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 13, 2022, 09:11:43 PM
He's good in a scrap. Gave the ball away too much again, which drives me mental, but you're never going to be able to question the lad's attitude, and when you don't have the ball he always works his socks off. Well done, John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Matt C on November 14, 2022, 02:07:57 AM
So much better in a more forward role, infinitely better than the hybrid holding midfield/auxiliary fullback role he was playing under the prior manager.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 14, 2022, 04:26:16 AM
It looked to me that he showed a decent bit of pace for the run that resulted in the penalty, that has to be good as he's never been known for his speed.

Yes. He was quick.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: sid1964 on November 14, 2022, 06:10:20 AM
Thought he was our MOTM today - he was back to his best
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 14, 2022, 07:00:50 AM
Thought he was much improved yesterday. Hopefully Emery can work with him over the next few weeks and nail his proper role down. I can’t see him sat in the middle over 2 of  Kamara, Donk & Luiz
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on November 14, 2022, 08:04:22 AM
These are the games McGinn fairs well, when we’re not expecting much possession ourselves and his energy and tenacity is very useful in midfield. He played very well.

Maybe he was selected ahead of Dendonker today for this purpose, again is this Emery actually using the squad accordingly to fit the opposition?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 14, 2022, 02:12:40 PM
He looks like he wasn't wearing lead boots yesterday
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 15, 2022, 09:01:01 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1592281198235209729
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2022, 09:28:59 AM
Better from him on Sunday, more energy and his getting stuck in was effective. Still gives the ball away far too often though, and if he doesn't cut that out it'll limit him under Emery long term. If you don't lose it, you don't have to win it back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2022, 09:32:45 AM
He thrives in a good set up, it's. It always him losing the ball, and often when he does its because he's surrounded by opposition players. He tries the Hollywood pass too often though and that's when it can go wrong.

He isn't the sort of player to win a match on his own, but can be a key piece in a system.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2022, 11:13:45 AM
He thrives in a good set up, it's. It always him losing the ball, and often when he does its because he's surrounded by opposition players. He tries the Hollywood pass too often though and that's when it can go wrong.

He isn't the sort of player to win a match on his own, but can be a key piece in a system.

The bold bit is a problem for me, in 2 ways.

Firstly he gets crowded out because of things he does. The use of his arse is fantastic at times but often it means he's not in a position to play a quick pass, which means players have time to get 'at' him. If we can work on that in training and get him making better choices on when to engage the arse it will give him a lot more time to look up.
Aside from that the number of times he gives the ball away when he misplaces a 10 yard pass needs to be addressed but this can be worked on in training and I'd hope will be something we see change fairly quickly.

I agree completely on the hollywood passes thing though, he just needs to be told to stop trying those, it isn't a strangth of his and I doubt it ever will be. It feels like this is something Gerrard pushed onto him because it's only become a big problem in the last year so I hope Emery and the coaches can take it back out of his game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 15, 2022, 11:23:35 AM
He thrives in a good set up, it's. It always him losing the ball, and often when he does its because he's surrounded by opposition players. He tries the Hollywood pass too often though and that's when it can go wrong.

He isn't the sort of player to win a match on his own, but can be a key piece in a system.

The bold bit is a problem for me, in 2 ways.

Firstly he gets crowded out because of things he does. The use of his arse is fantastic at times but often it means he's not in a position to play a quick pass, which means players have time to get 'at' him. If we can work on that in training and get him making better choices on when to engage the arse it will give him a lot more time to look up.
Aside from that the number of times he gives the ball away when he misplaces a 10 yard pass needs to be addressed but this can be worked on in training and I'd hope will be something we see change fairly quickly.

I agree completely on the hollywood passes thing though, he just needs to be told to stop trying those, it isn't a strangth of his and I doubt it ever will be. It feels like this is something Gerrard pushed onto him because it's only become a big problem in the last year so I hope Emery and the coaches can take it back out of his game.

If they can't they'll be taking him out of the game. That might make him think more about trying the Hollywood pass all the time. His tenacity is welcome, his reckless tackling and giving the ball away isn't. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2022, 11:25:46 AM
He thrives in a good set up, it's. It always him losing the ball, and often when he does its because he's surrounded by opposition players. He tries the Hollywood pass too often though and that's when it can go wrong.

He isn't the sort of player to win a match on his own, but can be a key piece in a system.

The bold bit is a problem for me, in 2 ways.

Firstly he gets crowded out because of things he does. The use of his arse is fantastic at times but often it means he's not in a position to play a quick pass, which means players have time to get 'at' him. If we can work on that in training and get him making better choices on when to engage the arse it will give him a lot more time to look up.
Aside from that the number of times he gives the ball away when he misplaces a 10 yard pass needs to be addressed but this can be worked on in training and I'd hope will be something we see change fairly quickly.

I agree completely on the hollywood passes thing though, he just needs to be told to stop trying those, it isn't a strangth of his and I doubt it ever will be. It feels like this is something Gerrard pushed onto him because it's only become a big problem in the last year so I hope Emery and the coaches can take it back out of his game.

He used to do it under Smith as well, and was probably more successful as he had more time on the ball when Grealish was playing, as teams tended to double up on him. Buendia's miles better at it, so McGinn needs to not try it so often. Buendia tends to play 25 yard balls to feet to people in space, whereas McGinn usually tries curling, lofted passes which are far easier for defenders to cut out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 15, 2022, 01:32:18 PM
Plus the fact he was charging into the penalty area to get us the penalty, which I haven't seen for a long time,at least with him he wouldn't be happy with his own form
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 15, 2022, 01:39:31 PM
He thrives in a good set up, it's. It always him losing the ball, and often when he does its because he's surrounded by opposition players. He tries the Hollywood pass too often though and that's when it can go wrong.

He isn't the sort of player to win a match on his own, but can be a key piece in a system.

The bold bit is a problem for me, in 2 ways.

Firstly he gets crowded out because of things he does. The use of his arse is fantastic at times but often it means he's not in a position to play a quick pass, which means players have time to get 'at' him. If we can work on that in training and get him making better choices on when to engage the arse it will give him a lot more time to look up.
Aside from that the number of times he gives the ball away when he misplaces a 10 yard pass needs to be addressed but this can be worked on in training and I'd hope will be something we see change fairly quickly.

I agree completely on the hollywood passes thing though, he just needs to be told to stop trying those, it isn't a strangth of his and I doubt it ever will be. It feels like this is something Gerrard pushed onto him because it's only become a big problem in the last year so I hope Emery and the coaches can take it back out of his game.

My biggest issue is that he seemingly always receives the ball facing the wrong way and that time to control it and rotate means that a player or 2 are on him - then the big arse technique comes into play but refs nowadays are allowing play on when he looks for a foul. Once they regain possession the rest of our team is caught going forward and there is space behind us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on November 17, 2022, 12:17:50 AM
Great run and strike for Scotland tonight. I hope he's getting his mojo back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on November 17, 2022, 01:49:14 AM
He always scores for Scotland, they seem to facilitate him better. But as is often pointed out, international games are generally of a lower standard than the Prem.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 17, 2022, 06:17:35 AM
He always scores for Scotland, they seem to facilitate him better. But as is often pointed out, international games are generally of a lower standard than the Prem.

He has now scored the same number of goals for Scotland as he has for us, in precisley 1/3 the number of games.

Villa. Played 156 Goals 15.
Scotland  Played 52 Goals 15.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on November 17, 2022, 06:32:27 PM
A symmetrical (spherical) meatball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lizz on December 10, 2022, 05:48:52 PM
He’s posted a photo of himself and the future Mrs McGinn on Instagram.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 10, 2022, 06:26:15 PM
He posted a photo in Instagram the other day in training, he's look a lot leaner. Which makes you wonder about the fitness regime under Gerrard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 10, 2022, 06:30:36 PM
He posted a photo in Instagram the other day in training, he's look a lot leaner. Which makes you wonder about the fitness regime under Gerrard.

Please tell me he hasn’t lost it from his arse
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 11, 2022, 06:47:36 PM
He posted a photo in Instagram the other day in training, he's look a lot leaner. Which makes you wonder about the fitness regime under Gerrard.

Please tell me he hasn’t lost it from his arse

Looking at the footage of his goal in Dubai he doesn't look any leaner to me. Still seems to have a bit of a gut on him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 11, 2022, 07:09:27 PM
It was a brilliant team goal, well finished by SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 11, 2022, 09:27:33 PM
McGinn played well today.

Amazing what can happen when you get a player in his correct position!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dogtanian on December 11, 2022, 10:16:17 PM
McGinn was great today. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2022, 10:34:06 AM
McGinn played well today.

Amazing what can happen when you get a player in his correct position!

What, midfield like he's always played?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2022, 10:52:19 AM
I see Risso's 'someone has said something positive about Mcginn' alarm has gone off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2022, 11:04:11 AM
I see Risso's 'someone has said something positive about Mcginn' alarm has gone off.

I see that creepy stalker Clampy's "somebody's talked about McGinn in the McGinn thread" alarm has gone off again. I'm off to lock the front door and hide my bins.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2022, 11:11:47 AM
I see Risso's 'someone has said something positive about Mcginn' alarm has gone off.

I see that creepy stalker Clampy's "somebody's talked about McGinn in the McGinn thread" alarm has gone off again. I'm off to lock the front door and hide my bins.

My first post's on this thread for a month. Mcginn is not my daily obsession.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 12, 2022, 11:13:59 AM
He has had a good haircut ( trying to keep it light and christmassy )  :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2022, 11:14:02 AM
I see Risso's 'someone has said something positive about Mcginn' alarm has gone off.

I see that creepy stalker Clampy's "somebody's talked about McGinn in the McGinn thread" alarm has gone off again. I'm off to lock the front door and hide my bins.

My first post's on this thread for a month. Mcginn is not my daily obsession.

Same here. Odd that, it's almost like the Premier League has been shut down for the World Cup. Anyway, I can see you in the bushes, bugger off or I'll set the dogs on you.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2022, 11:20:07 AM
I see Risso's 'someone has said something positive about Mcginn' alarm has gone off.

I see that creepy stalker Clampy's "somebody's talked about McGinn in the McGinn thread" alarm has gone off again. I'm off to lock the front door and hide my bins.

My first post's on this thread for a month. Mcginn is not my daily obsession.

Same here. Odd that, it's almost like the Premier League has been shut down for the World Cup. Anyway, I can see you in the bushes, bugger off or I'll set the dogs on you.

To be fair, it's best to test your alarm now and then, even when we're not playing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2022, 12:00:33 PM
The only alarm I'll be setting is the intruder alarm.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 12, 2022, 03:51:41 PM
You guys.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 13, 2022, 01:21:14 AM
I think most people who saw the game would have seen McGinn playing further up the pitch, that's all.

His passing was better, as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on December 13, 2022, 08:45:52 AM
I think most people who saw the game would have seen McGinn playing further up the pitch, that's all.

His passing was better, as well.

I thought it was a reasonable enough observation.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2022, 11:49:33 AM
He has had a good haircut ( trying to keep it light and christmassy )  :)

Has he? He never grows it long which is just as well as I doubt it would suit him but I dunno what would constitute a good haircut. He's a meatball and that's that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 24, 2022, 12:21:39 AM
McGinn's discipline in recent seasons has bothered me, last 2 seasons in the league 8 yellows ,12 yellows earning him suspensions due to his collection of yellow cards.

Flagging up the concern again as he could potentially miss a match due to his accumulation of  yellow cards if he's booked again within the next two matches (Liverpool or Spurs) as he would have 5 for the season and he will be immediately subjected to a one-match suspension. He has up until the 19th game.

He's on a tightrope once more, endangering both himself and the team.
I sincerely hope that in the new he'll pick up less bookings when he's on the field.


Bailey and Ramsey are also on 4 yellow cards and would be suspended if they get booked before the Wolves match. however they don't concern me the way McGinn does. Though all 3 have picked up needless bookings McGinn consistently has done this now for a long while and any match can expect him to be close to getting booked which I don't think is great play by him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 24, 2022, 10:19:08 AM
No great loss.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on December 24, 2022, 12:12:47 PM
Footy, how is he endangering the team when he adds the square root of sod all?  Completely replaceable.  In fact, if we still have him as a first team regular next season, I will be really surprised.  Needs to massively kick on, or be replaced, if we want to progress as a football club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on December 25, 2022, 07:50:37 AM
No great loss.

This.

We'll be replacing him over the course of the next year, hopefully.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on December 25, 2022, 09:26:28 AM
No great loss.
This.
We'll be replacing him over the course of the next year, hopefully.
Or, the Emery treatment works and he kicks on (not in the way that worries Footy).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 07:57:03 PM
McGinn provided an excellent assist against the Spurs today, and I believe he is better suited to the left side than the right where he has been located in starting matches since world cup.
Today though it's unfortunate that he can't maintain his fitness and has been pulled up with his hamstring.
It was difficult to watch him try to outpace players.
He simply does not have that ability against top- higher tier players.

Credit to him for playing well and maintaining excellent discipline to avoid being booked in two tough matches.
I've noticed he's lost some weight and had his hair cut, which is an overall improvement. Sorry to those backside worshippers those days are over. Emery doesn't have overweight plodders in his squads.

I'm sure he was told to improve and did so as he's an example as Captain. There's nothing impressive as best asset being a big backside and Emery and I don't entertain such lower league style players at Villa.

Congratulations, McGinn you're learning it's not just hustle and bustle and that the game is football.
Gerrard was far too encouraging for this hard work and aggressive applications of getting stuck in, whereas Emery recognises that he also understands football and has introduced some football intelligence into McGinn!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 01, 2023, 08:00:16 PM
weird how all these shite midfielders are now no-longer shite.
Oh Mr Gerrard what was you doing?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 10:35:40 PM
weird how all these shite midfielders are now no-longer shite.
Oh Mr Gerrard what was you doing?
Very true!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villafirst on January 02, 2023, 05:08:04 AM
McGinn did very well today, however that hamstring pull late on is a concern. He could miss the next 3 to 4 weeks..... hopefully it's not too serious.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 14, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 14, 2023, 04:56:11 PM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(

Did he need to book two seats, one for each arse cheek?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2023, 05:06:19 PM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(

Did you go over and have a chat? You don't strike me as the shy and retiring type...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: usav on January 17, 2023, 02:44:52 AM
With Ramsey back, I think he struggles to get back in the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 17, 2023, 05:10:55 AM
He said in his interview on Friday he’s not back for a ‘few weeks’.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 08:06:18 AM
I thought we missed him in the first of the Leeds game. Not so much in the second half. He'll be another good option to have once he's back because he was starting to look effective again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 09:20:09 AM
He said in his interview on Friday he’s not back for a ‘few weeks’.

I think Emery said in the last pre-match press conference that it was going to be '1-2 months'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ger Regan on January 17, 2023, 09:26:21 AM
I'm working around the corner from Harcourt Street, I'll keep an eye to make sure he's not hanging round Dicey's or (heaven forbid) Copper's.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 10:11:26 AM
He said in his interview on Friday he’s not back for a ‘few weeks’.

I think Emery said in the last pre-match press conference that it was going to be '1-2 months'.

Interested to know why our captain is going to a party city like Dublin when he's bored and injured.
On Sky Sports Friday Night Football, McGinn said he was bored; he also indicated Emery goes on a bit in team meetings. Well, McGinn deserves to give Emery a bit of respect. And there's a good reason Emery goes on; he covers all the details!

I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(

He shouldn't be taken to flying away for weekends in Dublin when injured unless it's for business of rehabilitation, or a personal matter. If it's for some jolly, then that's just plain wrong. This isn't professional, in my book, and could be the beginning of the end. I don't think Emery will be pleased.


 

 

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 10:22:10 AM
Footballer flies to Dublin. Fetch the police.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 10:24:06 AM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them.

As one of his critics on here, even I acknowledge that he has improved so far under Emery. At the very least, I think he will be a useful squad member for a season or two.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 17, 2023, 10:25:40 AM
Should we keep up our winning streak without John McGinn in the side for the next 2 or 3 weeks then it's down to him to play his way back in or at least show in training that he's good enough to be included. I can't see how days on the lash in Dublin would improve his chances during the season especially for a player who relies on effort and work rate as an integral part of his game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bully2345 on January 17, 2023, 10:38:48 AM
I feel sorry for him having to go Ryanair to be honest. Imagine he went for extra leg room
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 10:43:27 AM
We'd played Friday night, so presumably the players got the weekend off after that. He's therefore free to go wherever he wants within reason. He's never struck me as unintelligent so I'm sure he realises that he's got to stay as fit as possible whilst injured.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 17, 2023, 10:55:36 AM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(

Do you see what you've done now? I hope you're proud of yourself.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on January 17, 2023, 10:56:38 AM
He said in his interview on Friday he’s not back for a ‘few weeks’.

I think Emery said in the last pre-match press conference that it was going to be '1-2 months'.

Interested to know why our captain is going to a party city like Dublin when he's bored and injured.
On Sky Sports Friday Night Football, McGinn said he was bored; he also indicated Emery goes on a bit in team meetings. Well, McGinn deserves to give Emery a bit of respect. And there's a good reason Emery goes on; he covers all the details!

I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(

He shouldn't be taken to flying away for weekends in Dublin when injured unless it's for business of rehabilitation, or a personal matter. If it's for some jolly, then that's just plain wrong. This isn't professional, in my book, and could be the beginning of the end. I don't think Emery will be pleased.


 

 



Yawn yawn and yawn again
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 11:01:30 AM
He could have gone with Aer Lingus, bloody cheapskate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 11:01:48 AM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 17, 2023, 11:15:13 AM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me

He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 11:15:56 AM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them....

Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AV82EC on January 17, 2023, 11:24:43 AM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them....

Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.

I’m sure John will be suitably cut up about your disapproval.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 17, 2023, 11:29:03 AM
This topic  seems a bit silly ,  it is 45 minutes trip , probably takes longer to get to Bodymoor from home.  He is obviously trusted and having sometime away because he is injured

There is more to Dublin than drinking 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 11:32:07 AM
Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.

Blimey, who knew? You'll be telling us that we had a Colombian player called Juan Pablo Angel next.

You do realise you almost certainly won't know if there was a good reason or not? He could be going over to get absolutely hammered in Copper Face Jacks and chat up some nurses (or maybe that was just me in the mid 90s) or he could going to a funeral/wedding, or just to see some sights in the beautiful Emerald Isle.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 11:33:39 AM
Clearly, we have been looking for midfielders like McKennie and Guendouzi, so if those were to develop then McGinn certainly has some competition for places.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 11:33:57 AM

There is more to Dublin than drinking 

Indeed, there are leprechauns, shamrock, Guinness... horses running through council estates... toothless simpletons... people with eyebrows on their cheeks... badly tarmacked drives, in this country... uh, men in platform shoes being arrested for bombings... lots of rocks, and, uh, Beamish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villan82 on January 17, 2023, 11:35:38 AM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them....

Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.

Stereotype much? I wonder would you come out with this if we heard he visited another European capital like Paris or Berlin?  Maybe he has family there, maybe he has business there, maybe he is taking a city break. Dublin is renowned for culture- museums, galleries, music and is a major tech hub. McGinn doesn't answer to you Mr high and mighty
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2023, 11:37:45 AM
There is more to Dublin than drinking 

"Dere's more to Ireland dan dis"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 17, 2023, 11:38:59 AM
 Anyway all this Dublin chat makes me want a weekend away , who is in ?? ;D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 11:47:50 AM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them....

Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.

Stereotype much? I wonder would you come out with this if we heard he visited another European capital like Paris or Berlin?  Maybe he has family there, maybe he has business there, maybe he is taking a city break. Dublin is renowned for culture- museums, galleries, music and is a major tech hub. McGinn doesn't answer to you Mr high and mighty

I made me point and I've moved on. As I said.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 12:04:18 PM
Anyway all this Dublin chat makes me want a weekend away , who is in ?? ;D

John McGinn! Shots, shots shots!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 12:04:38 PM
There is more to Dublin than drinking 

"Dere's more to Ireland dan dis"

Far too slow!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 17, 2023, 12:07:46 PM
Jaysus some of you lot are so feckin miserable it's unreal. Mind your own
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 12:14:11 PM
Jaysus some of you lot are so feckin miserable it's unreal. Mind your own

Eh?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 17, 2023, 12:19:57 PM
Anyway all this Dublin chat makes me want a weekend away , who is in ?? ;D
Is Footy coming?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on January 17, 2023, 12:27:09 PM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me

He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.

And if there's a tail wind it's only 35 minutes, not even time for a good crap.

I have him locked up down here pedaling away on an exercise bike.*

* Not really, we don't have an exercise bike.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 12:36:11 PM
Victim card alert. I can sense someone will be threatening us with yet another self imposed sabbatical.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 12:36:23 PM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me

He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.

And if there's a tail wind it's only 35 minutes, not even time for a good crap.

I have him locked up down here pedaling away on an exercise bike.*

* Not really, we don't have an exercise bike.

I hope you've removed all access to the booze though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on January 17, 2023, 12:38:20 PM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me

He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.

And if there's a tail wind it's only 35 minutes, not even time for a good crap.

I have him locked up down here pedaling away on an exercise bike.*

* Not really, we don't have an exercise bike.

I hope you've removed all access to the booze though.

Not to worry Drummond, our booze bottles are in a high kitchen unit, he wouldn't be able to reach.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 12:39:05 PM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me

He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.

And if there's a tail wind it's only 35 minutes, not even time for a good crap.

I have him locked up down here pedaling away on an exercise bike.*

* Not really, we don't have an exercise bike.

I hope you've removed all access to the booze though.

Not to worry Drummond, our booze bottles are in a high kitchen unit, he wouldn't be able to reach.

You'd better not have a galley kitchen either, his arse might get stuck.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on January 17, 2023, 12:44:26 PM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me

He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.

And if there's a tail wind it's only 35 minutes, not even time for a good crap.

I have him locked up down here pedaling away on an exercise bike.*

* Not really, we don't have an exercise bike.

I hope you've removed all access to the booze though.

Not to worry Drummond, our booze bottles are in a high kitchen unit, he wouldn't be able to reach.

You'd better not have a galley kitchen either, his arse might get stuck.

Ha ha ☺️
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 17, 2023, 12:45:51 PM
Victim card alert. I can sense someone will be threatening us with yet another self imposed sabbatical.
Easiest is to just block him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: CT Villan on January 17, 2023, 12:52:48 PM
Let's hope he never goes to Amsterdam then, Footy will be apoplectic.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 12:53:17 PM
God knows what he'd have made of Carew.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 01:01:36 PM
God knows what he'd have made of Carew.

Bannan, Hendrie, Grealish, Barry, Collymore, Daley, Mings, Charles, Merson, Herd, Collins, Dunne, Delph......
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on January 17, 2023, 01:02:31 PM
God knows what he'd have made of Carew.

Bannan, Hendrie, Grealish, Barry, Collymore, Daley, Mings, Charles, Merson, Herd, Collins, Dunne, Delph......

Well we know what he thinks of Grealish, we suffered his opiions there for a logn time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 17, 2023, 01:05:16 PM
God knows what he'd have made of Carew.

Bannan, Hendrie, Grealish, Barry, Collymore, Daley, Mings, Charles, Merson, Herd, Collins, Dunne, Delph......

Well we know what he thinks of Grealish, we suffered his opiions there for a logn time.

Though to be fair...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 17, 2023, 01:07:34 PM
God knows what he'd have made of Carew.

Bannan, Hendrie, Grealish, Barry, Collymore, Daley, Mings, Charles, Merson, Herd, Collins, Dunne, Delph......

Well we know what he thinks of Grealish, we suffered his opiions there for a logn time.
even a broken clock is right some times
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 01:09:39 PM
In season players should maintain a high standard and respect their professionalism. Being elite professional you have to be very focused and Nutrition fitness and conditioning is essential. I always respecting likes of Milner Rice and Ronaldo for they not only are maintaining a balanced diet but they are not drinking alcohol on not on religious grounds.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 01:11:52 PM
Is it a coincidence for McGinn to do his hamstring? When he must have been suffering fatigue. Rest and recuperation is what's needed for him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 01:17:37 PM
Is it a coincidence for McGinn to do his hamstring? When he must have been suffering fatigue. Rest and recuperation is what's needed for him.

They'd just had a month off for the World Cup. Please do stop making stuff up, it makes you look very stupid.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on January 17, 2023, 01:25:29 PM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them....

Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.

Pretty cold out too, hope John won't be exposing his hamstrings to the elements on this trip.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 01:28:06 PM
Is it a coincidence for McGinn to do his hamstring? When he must have been suffering fatigue. Rest and recuperation is what's needed for him.

Honestly do you read what you’ve written a second time before hitting post? You do realize he is surrounded by health professionals. And he’s a grown man. I think he can make some pretty informed decisions without your expertise on his need for rest and recuperation.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2023, 01:34:43 PM
Is there a link to McGinns interview before the Leeds game?

Dublin is mostly about the drinking, and be careful using the Luas at night centrally, plenty of ne'er-do-wells about.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villan For Life on January 17, 2023, 01:35:55 PM
Is it a coincidence for McGinn to do his hamstring? When he must have been suffering fatigue. Rest and recuperation is what's needed for him.

Honestly do you read what you’ve written a second time before hitting post? You do realize he is surrounded by health professionals. And he’s a grown man. I think he can make some pretty informed decisions without your expertise on his need for rest and recuperation.

Fatigue? He's just has several weeks off for the world cup. Players get injured regardless of alleged "lifestyle" issues, of which you have no proof.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 01:37:20 PM
Is it a coincidence for McGinn to do his hamstring? When he must have been suffering fatigue. Rest and recuperation is what's needed for him.

Honestly do you read what you’ve written a second time before hitting post? You do realize he is surrounded by health professionals. And he’s a grown man. I think he can make some pretty informed decisions without your expertise on his need for rest and recuperation.

Fatigue? He's just has several weeks off for the world cup. Players get injured regardless of alleged "lifestyle" issues, of which you have no proof.

You balls up the quote
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LukeJames on January 17, 2023, 01:47:47 PM
In season players should maintain a high standard and respect their professionalism. Being elite professional you have to be very focused and Nutrition fitness and conditioning is essential. I always respecting likes of Milner Rice and Ronaldo for they not only are maintaining a balanced diet but they are not drinking alcohol on not on religious grounds.
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2023, 01:55:55 PM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(

Did you go over and have a chat? You don't strike me as the shy and retiring type...

I'm not but I don't go up to celebrities as I'm sure they get pestered enough. The only one I've spoken to was Ronnie Wood and that's only because he was standing beside me at LHR T1.

One of the Villa fans got a picture with SJM in WH Smith's and said he was sound. No one heeded him or his lady friend on the plane even though there 40-50 Villa fans on board.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2023, 01:56:40 PM
Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.

I may be mistaken but pretty sure when I passed he was booking tickets for the The Book of Kells tour and had a brochure for the Hugh Lane gallery in his lap. It should also be remembered that "Guinness is good for you' as long as you don't overdo it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2023, 01:56:58 PM

There is more to Dublin than drinking 

Indeed, there are leprechauns, shamrock, Guinness... horses running through council estates... toothless simpletons... people with eyebrows on their cheeks... badly tarmacked drives, in this country... uh, men in platform shoes being arrested for bombings... lots of rocks, and, uh, Beamish.

Please leave me out of this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 17, 2023, 02:02:02 PM
Have we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 02:07:09 PM
Have we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?

No need to, he's just taking another break from the site.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 17, 2023, 02:07:55 PM
Have we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?

No need to, he's just taking another break from the site.
Like it, very funny
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 02:55:29 PM
You’d think Dublin was the Vegas strip from the sounds of it. McGinn will be pulling birds and hamstrings up and down Grafton Street.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 04:40:37 PM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(

Did you go over and have a chat? You don't strike me as the shy and retiring type...

I'm not but I don't go up to celebrities as I'm sure they get pestered enough. The only one I've spoken to was Ronnie Wood and that's only because he was standing beside me at LHR T1.

One of the Villa fans got a picture with SJM in WH Smith's and said he was sound. No one heeded him or his lady friend on the plane even though there 40-50 Villa fans on board.

So, womanising too, it's a disgrace.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2023, 05:08:14 PM
Have we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?

No need to, he's just taking another break from the site.

A bit cruel, I thought. If it weren't for Footy and Flintstone, H&V would be GroupThink.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on January 17, 2023, 05:25:35 PM
Have we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?
No need to, he's just taking another break from the site.
A bit cruel, I thought. If it weren't for Footy and Flintstone, H&V would be GroupThink.
You're soooo right, eamonn  ;D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on January 17, 2023, 05:54:13 PM
I bet you McGinn is attending a seminar on Odyssean déconstruction in Finnegan's Wake.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 09:47:45 PM
Have we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?

No need to, he's just taking another break from the site.

A bit cruel, I thought. If it weren't for Footy and Flintstone, H&V would be GroupThink.

Well the think bit is right.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2023, 09:52:09 PM
God knows what he'd have made of Carew.

Probably something like ‘we once had a Norwegian striker called John Carew’.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on January 17, 2023, 10:08:48 PM
I bet you McGinn is attending a seminar on Odyssean déconstruction in Finnegan's Wake.

In fact, he is attending Strange Atmospheres, The Seventh International Flann O’Brien Conference.

"The conference title, ‘Strange Atmospheres,’ foregrounds a concept that sits uneasily on the semantic boundary between environment, embodied space, and mood. Often bending to the fantastic, the uncanny, the fake and unconvincing, O’Brien’s style is itself characterised by a constant apprehension of the ways in which the atmospheric and the literary fertilise each other. The symposium will provide the occasion to reflect more fully on these aspects of his work."

I believe Super John is presenting a paper on "At Swim Two Birds".

Fair play, so.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 19, 2023, 08:25:13 PM
Trust Is he back from Dublin in good fettle post bender as some of this parish were insinuating?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2023, 05:09:52 PM
Trust Is he back from Dublin in good fettle post bender as some of this parish were insinuating?
Not fit enough.
Tomorrow at home to Leicester and as I expect many would have suspected McGinn won't be in the starting 11.
Emery has already announced this in his press conference -which is telling.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2023, 05:14:40 PM
Trust Is he back from Dublin in good fettle post bender as some of this parish were insinuating?
Not fit enough.
Tomorrow at home to Leicester and as I expect many would have suspected McGinn won't be in the starting 11.
Emery has already announced this in his press conference -which is telling.

Digne is fit now too. If he’s not playing tomorrow, what is ‘telling’ about that?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2023, 05:30:29 PM
Trust Is he back from Dublin in good fettle post bender as some of this parish were insinuating?
Not fit enough.
Tomorrow at home to Leicester and as I expect many would have suspected McGinn won't be in the starting 11.
Emery has already announced this in his press conference -which is telling.

Digne is fit now too. If he’s not playing tomorrow, what is ‘telling’ about that?
2 things which were notable regards McGinn and Digne on team news in the available to view presser:

1. "John McGinn is not first in my mind for starting eleven" direct quote Emery

2. When asked Emery had to actually be prompted to even be reminded about Digne and his availability . As he clearly seen to have not really paid much thought to him
If you see the presser you can see him hesitate pause and goo hmmm say  who ? Ahh Digne..and making hand gestures of do I even care about this player though.
So yeah very telling
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2023, 05:49:08 PM
Trust Is he back from Dublin in good fettle post bender as some of this parish were insinuating?
Not fit enough.
Tomorrow at home to Leicester and as I expect many would have suspected McGinn won't be in the starting 11.
Emery has already announced this in his press conference -which is telling.

Digne is fit now too. If he’s not playing tomorrow, what is ‘telling’ about that?
2 things which were notable regards McGinn and Digne on team news in the available to view presser:

1. "John McGinn is not first in my mind for starting eleven" direct quote Emery

2. When asked Emery had to actually be prompted to even be reminded about Digne and his availability . As he clearly seen to have not really paid much thought to him
If you see the presser you can see him hesitate pause and goo hmmm say  who ? Ahh Digne..and making hand gestures of do I even care about this player though.
So yeah very telling

So he went to Dublin?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2023, 05:53:21 PM
Did Dion ever go to Dublin?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2023, 05:55:00 PM
I  can only presume the reason why he's not starting tomorrow is because he's been out injured and throwing him back in unnecessarily wouldnt be wise. Pretty simple really.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 03, 2023, 05:59:48 PM
Did Dion ever go to Dublin?

He must have been to Harare, one of my Zimbabwean friend's surname is Dube which isn't uncommon there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2023, 06:02:42 PM
I  can only presume the reason why he's not starting tomorrow is because he's been out injured and throwing him back in unnecessarily wouldnt be wise. Pretty simple really.
Ramsey is back fit now though wasn't Ginny just a place holder?
And is he displacing Luiz or Kamara?
Because starting wise where does he fit in now?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2023, 06:04:34 PM
Who knows Brice, who knows.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 11:35:31 AM
I'm interested to see where 'Captain' McGinn stands in the wake of his demotion and lack of playing time against Leicester.
Since he was not involved in the loss to Leicester and would be ideal for shackling our Jack* against Man City, I'm keeping an eye on whether he will be included against Man City. Ginny would certainly work deployed on the right, it would be a really strong move to match him there against Grealish*.

*I do wonder if Grealish may have an agreement where he's either asked if he wants to play versus us anytime he has to play. Since he moved he doesn't play or gets limited minutes against Villa
 I think a clause wouldn't be the case but an agreement on his suitable head space as it's a lot playing against us.




Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 12:03:37 PM
Honestly Footy, please at least attempt to understand the point that McGinn was just back from injury. There's really nothing more to it than that. I can see him him coming in against Man City if he's fit enough, because Jacob Ramsey has been worse than useless recently.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 12:06:52 PM
Ok. Well I thought given how the game was McGinn may have been used as substitution. Emery called a bluff there as in his presser he said not in my mind for starting eleven but "I'm going to use him if we need him as John McGinn is very important to us"

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 12:10:04 PM

*I do wonder if Grealish may have an agreement where he's either asked if he wants to play versus us anytime he has to play. Since he moved he doesn't play or gets limited minutes against Villa
 I think a clause wouldn't be the case but an agreement on his suitable head space as it's a lot playing against us.



No.

1) As if Pep Guardiola would ever agree to a clause like that
2) He doesn't play much against anybody
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 07, 2023, 12:14:34 PM
It would be nice though wouldn't it, having a job where your gaffer rings up the night before and tells you that it's up to you whether you turn up the next day or not, he'll pay you either way :-)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 12:15:55 PM

*I do wonder if Grealish may have an agreement where he's either asked if he wants to play versus us anytime he has to play. Since he moved he doesn't play or gets limited minutes against Villa
 I think a clause wouldn't be the case but an agreement on his suitable head space as it's a lot playing against us.



No.

1) As if Pep Guardiola would ever agree to a clause like that
2) He doesn't play much against anybody
Not a clause more an agreement.
Don't forget Deano asked players if they were ok to play again.
Players get asked a lot more about if they are ok to play than the MON days.
There's welfare  checks and fitness checks.
Though some managers disagreed or disregard the fitness data and don't listen to the sport science.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 12:33:36 PM
Still no.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on February 07, 2023, 12:36:57 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.

Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: john e on February 07, 2023, 12:55:47 PM
It would be nice though wouldn't it, having a job where your gaffer rings up the night before and tells you that it's up to you whether you turn up the next day or not, he'll pay you either way :-)

In fairness my job is like that
But then I am self employed
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: WarszaVillan on February 07, 2023, 01:10:37 PM
I do think we need McGinn back in the team. He adds energy that is lacking when he is not there and helps to press the opposition back. He has played well under Emery so far.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 02:23:27 PM
I do think we need McGinn back in the team. He adds energy that is lacking when he is not there and helps to press the opposition back. He has played well under Emery so far.

The obvious thing would be to replace Ramsey, who's been below par.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 07, 2023, 02:43:25 PM
I think McGinn is actually more suited to the role than anyone else we have at the moment so I think we'll improve with him back (if he's fit). Didn't think I'd ever say that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on February 07, 2023, 03:40:48 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.

Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.

There you go.

Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 03:43:37 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.

Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.

There you go.

Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.

Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 03:48:59 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.

Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.

There you go.

Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.

Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper

LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 07, 2023, 03:50:04 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.

Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.

There you go.

Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.

Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper

LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.

He's probably just tired after spending hours earlier counting up his rental income from his property empire.

In his caravan.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 03:58:23 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.

Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.

There you go.

Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.

Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper

LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.

It's a fair cop, I blame my mom who pronounced it as such.

Unlike yourself, I don't wear them every single day and in bed so I've never had cause to search for such items.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 04:00:20 PM

Unlike yourself, I don't wear them every single day and in bed so I've never had cause to search for such items.

They look great with a smoking jacket amd sock suspenders though, you should try it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 04:05:05 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.

Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.

There you go.

Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.

Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper

LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.

He's probably just tired after spending hours earlier counting up his rental income from his property empire.

In his caravan.

On the subject of said property, my mom was minding her own business there Sunday evening when she got a knock at the door to find several policemen at the door, and a lot more outside, looking for someone by a name that hasn't lived there since I've owned the place. They clearly had been misled and apologised, but the one copper said they were contemplating knocking the door down beforehand, probably didn't as it's quite a nice respectable courtyard. She spoke to the lady upstairs today who is a civillian police worker and she said the officers outside were armed!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 04:07:47 PM

Unlike yourself, I don't wear them every single day and in bed so I've never had cause to search for such items.

They look great with a smoking jacket amd sock suspenders though, you should try it.

Thanks mate, I'm going to need therapy now
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 07, 2023, 04:15:06 PM
An armed raid at one of his many properties, and he thinks the smoking jacket is why he needs therapy. THEY'RE CLOSING IN ON YOU LEE! Have you never seen Scarface?!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 04:19:21 PM
An armed raid at one of his many properties, and he thinks the smoking jacket is why he needs therapy. THEY'RE CLOSING IN ON YOU LEE! Have you never seen Scarface?!

I checked the WMP twitter feed, they nabbed two lads in the early hours of yesterday morning in an armed raid.

The face swap operation was a success, I think I'm in the clear
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 07, 2023, 04:22:59 PM
An armed raid at one of his many properties, and he thinks the smoking jacket is why he needs therapy. THEY'RE CLOSING IN ON YOU LEE! Have you never seen Scarface?!

I checked the WMP twitter feed, they nabbed two lads in the early hours of yesterday morning in an armed raid.

The face swap operation was a success, I think I'm in the clear

I'm sure you have ways of making sure they don't sing. Turning off the karaoke machine at the caravan park, for one.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 04:29:03 PM
Karaoke? This is a respectable caravan park mate, no dogs, no barbequeues and absolutely no fun permitted.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: wince on February 07, 2023, 04:44:52 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.

Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.

There you go.

Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.

Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper

LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.

Brilliant! he will be minted now!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2023, 05:56:46 PM
Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper

LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.

Whatever way Lee wants to spell 'polo' they're still shite. I believe the Italians call them 'dolcevita' in a vain attempt to make them more palatable but even they can't make them look good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 07:49:26 PM
Steve McQueen says you're wrong.


(https://i.ibb.co/rxqjB2W/Screenshot-2023-02-07-at-19-48-18.png) (https://ibb.co/rxqjB2W)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 08:49:28 PM
Risso, yesterday:

(https://i.ibb.co/PYrFQq5/alan-p-9a0d50e.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PYrFQq5)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
How about Turtleneck worn by Marilyn Monroe.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 07, 2023, 09:09:05 PM
Me. Shrewsbury college of Arts & Technology.  1980s. Black roll neck sweater. Fanny magnet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2023, 09:19:52 PM
Steve McQueen says you're wrong.

Steve McQueen could have made a Small Heath shirt look half-decent. The polo neck just makes him look less cool than usual (even with Neile Adams hanging out of him).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 11:15:02 AM
Ginny must start today as he can curtail Grealish!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on February 12, 2023, 11:16:30 AM
Ginny must start today as he can curtail Grealish!

 Think he will. It wouldn’t surprise me to see one up top and Bailey being replaced by him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2023, 11:23:11 AM
Yep, 6 at the back incoming.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 11:30:29 AM
That Rhodri is one of most annoying footballers hope Ginny sorts him out too.
Maybe Dendoncker will be deployed in team too but after Stevenage he has to have learnt.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Zouch Villa on February 12, 2023, 11:50:35 AM
Ginny must start today as he can curtail Grealish!

Yeah, she could have him under her spell:


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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2023, 12:19:08 PM
That Rhodri is one of most annoying footballers hope Ginny sorts him out too.
Maybe Dendoncker will be deployed in team too but after Stevenage he has to have learnt.

Didn't Rhodri play for Wales in the 6 Nations yesterday?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 12:55:37 PM
Everyones on form today.
Only bodes well for later!
Sunday Best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on February 12, 2023, 01:58:52 PM
He's feeling supersonic
Ginny's on the chronic
He can do it all
But does he really wannit
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 12, 2023, 02:03:56 PM
Im not sure if there is anything more that I despise about modern day football is fans & media using nicknames for players they have never met & will never meet, like they are old school bestest buddies... My 'non' favourite is Alexander-Arnold being called "Trent" by all & sundry. Just use his surname. Its almost as annoying as having stupid nicknames on the backs of players shirts. Just because Dele Alli's first name looks like Pele, all of a sudden we have all sorts of random words on players shirts. Surnames only should be allowed on the backs of shirts. Rant over...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 12, 2023, 02:12:39 PM
To be fair, people probably type Trent because they can’t be arsed with typing his surname. I know I did on perhaps one occasion I wanted to say something about him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 12, 2023, 02:16:37 PM
Im not sure if there is anything more that I despise about modern day football is fans & media using nicknames for players they have never met & will never meet, like they are old school bestest buddies... My 'non' favourite is Alexander-Arnold being called "Trent" by all & sundry. Just use his surname. Its almost as annoying as having stupid nicknames on the backs of players shirts. Just because Dele Alli's first name looks like Pele, all of a sudden we have all sorts of random words on players shirts. Surnames only should be allowed on the backs of shirts. Rant over...

Couldn't agree more regarding Alexander-Arnold.  The worst culprit is Jamie Carragher, who is the only TV pundit who is too lazy to pronunce the second syllable in Bruyne (Kevin de).  Oddly though, he never seems to refer to us simply as Villa, only ever as Aston Villa (as if there is some other Villa with whom he does not wish to confuse us).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 03:40:08 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on February 12, 2023, 03:41:10 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

Isn't he coming back from an injury though, Footy? I think he'll be on at some point today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2023, 03:59:01 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

You also insisted Grealish wouldn't start. Why don't you stop trying to be a know all?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 12, 2023, 04:00:12 PM
To be fair, people probably type Trent because they can’t be arsed with typing his surname. I know I did on perhaps one occasion I wanted to say something about him.

It's a fair point but I don't recall anyone calling Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink just 'Jan'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 12, 2023, 04:04:07 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

You also insisted Grealish wouldn't start. Why don't you just stop

^Alternatively…
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 04:05:03 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

You also insisted Grealish wouldn't start. Why don't you stop trying to be a know all?
Ok sorry. I was wrong on that interesting to see how they both do today.
Sad to see him against us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2023, 04:24:51 PM
To be fair, people probably type Trent because they can’t be arsed with typing his surname. I know I did on perhaps one occasion I wanted to say something about him.

It's a fair point but I don't recall anyone calling Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink just 'Jan'.

Or even more efficient, "Of"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2023, 12:27:53 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2023, 12:30:20 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?

Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 13, 2023, 04:06:13 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?

Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
Since then, I've learned that McGinn's trip was with his fiancée, so it was probably less boisterous. However, I wonder if McGinn would have been better off staying home to get back to fitness or if travelling to see some Spanish culture in order to get closer to El Maestro.

I have given Moreno some thought now you ask, so perhaps he is adjusting to his new home and all the family arrangements so he won't always be fully ready to play the full 90 minutes so we have Digne and they shared duties because say Moreno has to be excused for a team meeting but not for lunches as they either have own chef and the club provide meals in the complex. Nutritionist are on hand but more for the settling in period. We have a luxury of having two left backs. The Moreno family are all settling in so maybe Emery is giving him that sort of space and time.

Things like that need to be considered, especially for a new signing in the middle of the season. Also he can catch up with Emery over tapas and all in Spanish too so will be at an advantage.
I mean I don't know full picture of course.

Many football players nap in the afternoon though. Furthermore, it need not originate from siestas culture as players here in England have a sleep or massage after training. I would not be liking a player who is falling asleep at a team briefing that's really unprofessional but surely that's unlikely.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on February 13, 2023, 04:15:44 PM
Ah, napping in the afternoon, no wonder we aren't winning games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 13, 2023, 04:19:07 PM
My eyes are bleeding.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 13, 2023, 04:23:30 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?

Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.

He's Spanish and they love their siestas, don't they? Hopefully one of aspect of Spanish culture that SJM doesn't take on board.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 13, 2023, 04:36:15 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?

Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
Since then, I've learned that McGinn's trip was with his fiancée, so it was probably less boisterous.

So you reckon he's a gentle lover then, and not a fan of the sort of thing Stefan Postma was into?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AV82EC on February 13, 2023, 05:13:55 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?

Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
Since then, I've learned that McGinn's trip was with his fiancée, so it was probably less boisterous.

So you reckon he's a gentle lover then, and not a fan of the sort of thing Stefan Postma was into?

Oh good, we haven’t had a pegging tangent on a thread for a while.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on February 13, 2023, 06:44:16 PM
I don't know what's going here with this Postma theme, but no doubt we'll get to the bottom of it soon enough.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Beard82 on February 13, 2023, 06:58:40 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?

Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
Since then, I've learned that McGinn's trip was with his fiancée, so it was probably less boisterous.

So you reckon he's a gentle lover then, and not a fan of the sort of thing Stefan Postma was into?

Oh good, we haven’t had a pegging tangent on a thread for a while.
I know - its a right royal shame
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 13, 2023, 07:25:20 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

Any idea when this 'football' is going to start, we've had a few weeks without McGinn - unless it's a black tie event and I've completely misread your post?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2023, 07:27:12 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

What the fuck is this Dublin trip nonsense that you're STILL going on about?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on February 13, 2023, 07:28:51 PM
I was actually walking through Temple Bar yesterday, the little bugger ducked into a doorway when he saw me coming.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2023, 07:33:32 PM
I was actually walking through Temple Bar yesterday, the little bugger ducked into a doorway when he saw me coming.

He'd slept in that doorway all night, covered in his own vomit, shouting "Emery youse fucking bastard, youse!"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on February 13, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
I was actually walking through Temple Bar yesterday, the little bugger ducked into a doorway when he saw me coming.

He'd slept in that doorway all night, covered in his own vomit, shouting "Emery youse fucking bastard, youse!"

When Manc Moaner and Racist Shitbag Morris Sea wrote his seminal song "Meatball is Murder!", he wasn't kidding around. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 13, 2023, 08:35:24 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

What the fuck is this Dublin trip nonsense that you're STILL going on about?


i am waiting for the book to come out
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2023, 02:32:12 PM
I was actually walking through Temple Bar yesterday, the little bugger ducked into a doorway when he saw me coming.

What did you shout at him, "Come here, ya little bollix" ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 09:56:57 AM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.

Any idea when this 'football' is going to start, we've had a few weeks without McGinn - unless it's a black tie event and I've completely misread your post?
Very Good. Smart casual.
football is something to make a song and a dance about.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 18, 2023, 11:13:14 PM
Thought John had his best game for yonks today, really good
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on February 18, 2023, 11:22:23 PM
Thought John had his best game for yonks today, really good

Agreed.

He did his thing, and we would have been well further fucked if he didn't.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 19, 2023, 03:37:51 AM
Thought John had his best game for yonks today, really good

Agreed.

He did his thing, and we would have been well further fucked if he didn't.
Yes , the midfield was v good until we changed it.
The worry is what was happening behind them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 19, 2023, 12:54:36 PM
Thought John had his best game for yonks today, really good

Agreed.

He did his thing, and we would have been well further fucked if he didn't.
Well the basics.
The fundamentals, then.
Yet its contrary to what I've noticed, as hes confused with the football. He was possibly the weakest part of a fantastic first half. Made a few recovery tackles but appears completely clueless and must carefully choose how to pass he ball. We can observe the activity in his brain. He seemed to continually have to consider where he should be on the field and was somewhat anonymous for the majority of the game.

It is extremely obvious to me that he is struggling, and I have a strong suspicion that he is someone who struggles to advance under Emery's guidance and to maintain control of the ball and discipline in his duties

 Good luck to him in his attempts to impress and improve, nevertheless, I have my doubts because he has been trained in a far different manner throughout his career than what has been requested of him, and I don't think his thinking or character can change. This is applicable to a lot of individuals in the team who have not received training in this manner, such as Ramsy Watkins, Konsa and Mings but to me they sound much more enthusiastic and at least tried to show and be eager to make improvements, and they all have articles on the state of things.
McGinn, who is always making jokes, I believe insulted Emery by describing what he does in team meetings as "going on" and "We do lots of long meetings but if we are winning and getting results then it’s worth it."
Contrastingly to Mings, who says attention to detail.
"It is easy to hold people’s focus in a long meeting when everything you’re saying has a purpose"

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 19, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
Observations and from character McGinn is having trouble comprehending it all and the bigger picture
This is a senior pro who needs to be far more serious and known his strengths the sort of comments he makes for his job aren't acceptable especially if captain.  Emery is proper professional and expects same focus from players which will ultimately improve them

"I don’t really mind what position I play in, the manager asked me when he came in if I had a preference but as a football player, the preference is anywhere on the park and not the bench"


At least he has perhaps understood a bit more about his body shape in instruction when recieving the ball but that's going to take a bit of work

Emery improves players its up to McGinn to start learning as come the busy summer plans he be further down the team or out of the club completely.  He's a place holder in this team and squad for an upgrade in my eyes and will take me and I'm sure Emery a lot of convincing he belongs in Villa midfield in the way we want to possession the ball moving forward next season.

Intriguing 15 games ahead for McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on February 19, 2023, 01:11:05 PM
Well there are no more free weekends left in the season for him to go and get wasted in Dublin so hopefully he'll knuckle down in the Bodymoor classroom for the last semester of the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 19, 2023, 01:14:44 PM
Re Dublin We established he was with his fiancé and perhaps a recreation for impending wedding.
It's more the principles when injured to be resting and recuperating rather than swanning off over Europe
No doubt a dilemma so will give him credit.
But then have to give him some grace if that only time he could get away.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on February 19, 2023, 01:17:37 PM
Re Dublin We established he was with his fiancé and perhaps a recreation for impending wedding.
It's more the principles when injured to be resting and recuperating rather than swanning off over Europe
No doubt a dilemma so will give him credit.
But then have to give him some grace if that only time he could get away.


I'm glad he's got your approval as to why he was there. This is important.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 19, 2023, 01:20:29 PM
FV can you hurry up with your piece on Matty Cash. I presume it's incoming.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 19, 2023, 01:25:18 PM
Oh believe me he's being watched!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on February 19, 2023, 02:22:07 PM
Chortle.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 20, 2023, 01:51:51 PM
The name he shall be known once again now is McIneista.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 20, 2023, 02:57:40 PM
McIndublin more like.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 20, 2023, 04:22:40 PM
McIndublin more like.

TenpintsofguinessandabigMacIndublin more like.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 04:34:49 PM
McIndublin more like.

TenpintsofguinessandabigMacIndublin more like.


Who, Super John or Footy?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 20, 2023, 06:27:28 PM
McIndublin more like.

TenpintsofguinessandabigMacIndublin more like.


Who, Super John or Footy?
Mclovin more like considering his marriage proposal!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 06:29:59 PM
McIndublin more like.

TenpintsofguinessandabigMacIndublin more like.


Who, Super John or Footy?
Mclovin more like considering his marriage proposal!

Congratulations!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 21, 2023, 10:11:50 AM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.

Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Baldy on February 21, 2023, 10:15:23 AM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.

Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.

Emery would ram the car up McGinn's arse. There would be plenty of parking space!!  :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 21, 2023, 10:32:54 AM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.

Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.



Did any of this happen outside of your head?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2023, 10:48:47 AM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.

Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.

Emery would ram the car up McGinn's arse. There would be plenty of parking space!!  :)

Good grief!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 21, 2023, 11:41:42 AM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.

Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.



Did any of this happen outside of your head?

Shame on you, LeeB! Shame on you!
Meatballs said it in an interview when asked about pranks! Actually!
And he also talked about bantering with Sean Dyche and his coat, but that then Burnley's boss made a comment first, and he came back with something, but it was reported as one-sided.
 McIneista antics are scottish folklore
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 21, 2023, 11:49:47 AM
Shame on you, LeeB! Shame on you!
Meatballs said it in an interview when asked about pranks! Actually!
And he also talked about bantering with Sean Dyche and his coat, but that then Burnley's boss made a comment first, and he came back with something, but it was reported as one-sided.
 McIneista antics are scottish folklore

It's Iniesta by the way, you need to brush up on your Spanish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2023, 01:15:34 PM
It was crass of Lee, though. I thought there was a growing fondness towards FV's quirky but often informative posts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: john e on February 21, 2023, 02:21:36 PM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.

Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.



Did any of this happen outside of your head?

I think you need to bow to the font of superior information mate
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 25, 2023, 05:10:20 PM
I have to applaud the captain's performance in the second half today and writing specifically to do so.
I had noticed his poor positional play time and time again in the first half, leaving far too much space open for Cashy. He appeared to be lost as he drifted inside or committed careless fouls.

He made direct running in the second half and contributed to both goals.
He didn't have a consistent 90-minute performance, but he got better and better to my trained eye after the restart, even if he was still finding his way on his responsibility and keeping shape in the team.

Well played McIniesta.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 25, 2023, 05:12:55 PM
I have to applaud the captain's performance in the second half today and writing specifically to do so.
I had noticed his poor positional play time and time again in the first half, leaving far too much space open for Cashy. He appeared to be lost as he drifted inside or committed careless fouls.

He made direct running in the second half and contributed to both goals.
He didn't have a consistent 90-minute performance, but he got better and better to my trained eye after the restart, even if he was still finding his way on his responsibility and keeping shape in the team.

Well played McIniesta.

Haha, trained eye. When did you do your badges?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2023, 05:23:41 PM
I have to applaud the captain's performance in the second half today and writing specifically to do so.
I had noticed his poor positional play time and time again in the first half, leaving far too much space open for Cashy. He appeared to be lost as he drifted inside or committed careless fouls.

He made direct running in the second half and contributed to both goals.
He didn't have a consistent 90-minute performance, but he got better and better to my trained eye after the restart, even if he was still finding his way on his responsibility and keeping shape in the team.

Well played McIniesta.

Haha, trained eye. When did you do your badges?
Cubs
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on February 25, 2023, 05:36:52 PM
A trained eye can lead to ed aches at the end of the day; sometimes in the morning or afternoon as well.

Meatball did his stuff. Again. I just don't think you understand.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2023, 07:39:35 PM
There are games when you appreciate his physicality, today was one of those.
Involved in both goals.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on February 25, 2023, 07:45:14 PM
I have to applaud the captain's performance in the second half today and writing specifically to do so.
I had noticed his poor positional play time and time again in the first half, leaving far too much space open for Cashy. He appeared to be lost as he drifted inside or committed careless fouls.

He made direct running in the second half and contributed to both goals.
He didn't have a consistent 90-minute performance, but he got better and better to my trained eye after the restart, even if he was still finding his way on his responsibility and keeping shape in the team.

Well played McIniesta.

Haha, trained eye. When did you do your badges?
Haha! They're taking the piss now
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on February 25, 2023, 07:49:22 PM
He said he's a he.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2023, 07:55:14 PM
You need to get Team Footy to be a bit more consistent in their output.

Captain Clueless.

Well played McIniesta.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 25, 2023, 08:06:27 PM
I think he has connected with other Footy’s across the multiverse and they all contribute to this forum. That when one untrained eye Footy comments on a thread and is ridiculed, the trained eye Footy comes in to replace him. Or one flounces off, he’s replaced shortly thereafter by an alternate model while the original one recovers. That’s also why we often see him on all the threads all the time at the same time. Because he literally is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 25, 2023, 08:13:58 PM
You need to get Team Footy to be a bit more consistent in their output.

Captain Clueless.

Well played McIniesta.
Foul play!
I called him clueless in the first half.
By the end of the game, he had demonstrated otherwise and was rightfully praised for how much he improved in the second half.
It's all there in my writings.
I'm having to defend myself like Prince Harry and his taliban comments as its just the same agenda by your mob by quoting out of context.
Extremely unjust.

Down with this sort of thing.
I'm on strike to further notice!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on February 25, 2023, 09:27:58 PM
Player of the match today. Great stats.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on February 25, 2023, 10:19:14 PM
He was superb today, and last week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeonW on February 25, 2023, 10:49:58 PM
Thought he was MOTM today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on February 26, 2023, 12:10:17 AM
To be honest I thought he found the pace of the game a bit much today. Lowest number of touches by an outfield player apparently (source some stats guru on twatter). Was thinking maybe the Donk should have been coming on and move Luiz over. But he was brilliant in winning the peno and got the assist for the second.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeonW on February 26, 2023, 02:17:21 AM
To be honest I thought he found the pace of the game a bit much today. Lowest number of touches by an outfield player apparently (source some stats guru on twatter). Was thinking maybe the Donk should have been coming on and move Luiz over. But he was brilliant in winning the peno and got the assist for the second.

It was a bit frenetic at points and McGinn was in an advanced position where he would see less of the ball. But when he got it, he didn’t waste it. He did well in his off the ball work and obviously played his part in the goals.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on February 26, 2023, 06:50:51 AM
He found lots of space and changed the direction of attacking moves on a few occasions. He looked good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on February 26, 2023, 10:17:38 AM
He found lots of space and changed the direction of attacking moves on a few occasions. He looked good.

Agreed, also thought he managed to offer Cash a bit more protection in the second half meaning it reduced their main  attacking option.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on February 26, 2023, 11:01:36 AM
Ramsey appeared, from highlights, to be more like his old self yesterday ...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 26, 2023, 11:07:57 AM
McGinn and Mings were the stand out players for me yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 05, 2023, 09:58:33 AM
Regarding McGinn my observations tell me he's getting better in the second half of matches. That is mow 2 matches in a row he's shown up and finished strongly.

My theory tells me this is because he takes some time to grasp the strategy before settling and playing football rather than his own way of playing that he's been use to for so many years.
He's almost back to being as good as Super John McGinn if he can put on a 90-minute show. He's definitely needs to work on his decisions and composure in the box and he can actually score.

Well done McGinn he's wanting to take things on board and he'll only improve by doing so.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2023, 08:09:46 PM
Yeah, he was out of form under a shit manager and now he's got it again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 05, 2023, 08:13:07 PM
Regarding McGinn my observations tell me he's getting better in the second half of matches. That is mow 2 matches in a row he's shown up and finished strongly.

My theory tells me this is because he takes some time to grasp the strategy before settling and playing football rather than his own way of playing that he's been use to for so many years.

Maybe, but it's more likely that it's due to the copious amounts of Guinness he had in Dublin.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 05, 2023, 08:37:15 PM
Ramsey appeared, from highlights, to be more like his old self yesterday ...

He is better when able to run at the opposition through the middle .  Technically think he struggles in tight areas with passes
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on March 06, 2023, 01:36:53 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/jJCdm75/20230304-224919.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJCdm75)


Bravearse
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on March 06, 2023, 03:31:55 AM
It's nice to see him playing well, again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 06, 2023, 04:23:02 AM
Ramsey appeared, from highlights, to be more like his old self yesterday ...
I thought he was disappointing, a few runs but failed to pick out passes to players in good positions.
Should have been subbed earlier.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: sid1964 on March 06, 2023, 06:24:30 AM
MOTM again on Saturday - well done John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2023, 09:23:37 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64901699
Interview and article with the Villa midfielder on Football Focus.

(Excused if people are boycotting BBC sport at the moment and apologies)

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 09:47:20 AM
No need to apologise mate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2023, 10:31:34 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64901699
Interview and article with the Villa midfielder on Football Focus.

(Excused if people are boycotting BBC sport at the moment and apologies)


Alex Scott and other pundits have pulled out of presenting the Football Focus and Final Score programmes, in solidarity with Gary Lineker, the BBC understands.

The former Arsenal player, who has presented the popular Saturday show since 2021, pulled out just a few hours before it was due to go on air.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on March 12, 2023, 05:40:34 PM
Very good display again today in a different position. We didn't miss Kamara at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on March 12, 2023, 05:50:22 PM
Like Watkins, he is enjoying a new lease of life under Emery. Night and day compared to his performances under Gerrard where he seemed to constantly get picked as teacher's pet despite being well off the pace, consistently.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 12, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
Excellent again today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: nigel on March 14, 2023, 07:40:30 AM
Excellent again today.

He’s becoming Super again
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chap on March 14, 2023, 08:02:29 AM
Goes to show what proper coaching can do!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 14, 2023, 08:11:23 AM
I was certainly in favour of John being rested during his poor run of form and I never thought he should have been made captain, but fair play to him! The guy under the watchful eye and coaching of Unai and his team is doing brilliantly at the moment. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Baldy on March 14, 2023, 08:26:20 AM
Goes to show what proper coaching can do!

Absolutely.

Unai has brought more 'calmness' and less 'chaos' into McGinn's game.

I take my hat off to SJM, I thought he might be one who would struggle with the new style of play.

Long may it continue. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Le Lapin on March 14, 2023, 08:32:37 AM
Good to see him back to himself, he's been shite for the last few seasons.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on March 14, 2023, 09:22:12 AM
Good to see him back to himself, he's been shite for the last few seasons.

Last few? Last season he was getting worse as it went on (hardly a surprise), and the start of this..
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2023, 11:46:51 PM
Excellent again today.

He’s becoming Super again

He's only human, born to make mistakes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 14, 2023, 11:58:43 PM
Good to see him back to himself, he's been shite for the last few seasons.

Last few? Last season he was getting worse as it went on (hardly a surprise), and the start of this..

Yeah, last few for me too. I think he enjoyed a good spell in the 7-2 season, apart from that he’s looked out of his depth. Emery’s definitely come to his rescue a bit but I’d still buy Guendouzi to replace him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2023, 11:12:58 AM
I was certainly in favour of John being rested during his poor run of form and I never thought he should have been made captain, but fair play to him! The guy under the watchful eye and coaching of Unai and his team is doing brilliantly at the moment. Keep up the good work!

Is he still Captain now he is back playing regularly?

The captaincy seemed to be Gerrard wanting to put Mings in his place and probably thinking he needed a midfielder to be captain "coz he was a midfielder who was captain". But yes it put undue pressure on McGinn as his performances were awful, but Gerrard couldn't then drop him because of giving him the captaincy in such a way. I do wonder if that caused a split in the dressing room for awhile as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: rob_bridge on March 15, 2023, 11:21:41 AM
Gerrard was being an utter twat. Giving it the The BigIAm by marginalising Mings and heaping pressure on McGinn.

McGinn looked good when Grealish was playing not when Grealish was injured or since he left. For the first time since, McGinn has started to string decent performances together. Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey, McGinn, A.N Other and all of a sudden that looks like a Top 6 or 7 midfield which could comfortably compete in  Europa League
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 11:30:28 AM
Heaping pressure on McGinn? He picked him as captain, a position he still holds.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2023, 01:22:34 PM
Heaping pressure on McGinn? He picked him as captain, a position he still holds.

The pressure was the way the captaincy was changed over. Neither Mings or McGinn were playing particularly well last season although I still think Mings shaded it, but stating "he (McGinn) deserved it" and Mings needed to just concentrate on playing, then the ridiculous "look me in the eyes" message after the first loss of the season definitely made the captaincy decision a talking point. However it also meant McGinn was also then undroppable as his performances went worse and worse.

Yes he is still Captain under Emery when he plays, but Emery didn't start him for several games which probably took the pressure off, allowed him to get his head around the tactics and has now returned playing some of his best play.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on March 15, 2023, 01:40:42 PM
Yep, I think the Mings situation is probably what Rob meant by pressure.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: algy on March 15, 2023, 01:54:00 PM
Heaping pressure on McGinn? He picked him as captain, a position he still holds.

The pressure was the way the captaincy was changed over. Neither Mings or McGinn were playing particularly well last season although I still think Mings shaded it, but stating "he (McGinn) deserved it" and Mings needed to just concentrate on playing, then the ridiculous "look me in the eyes" message after the first loss of the season definitely made the captaincy decision a talking point. However it also meant McGinn was also then undroppable as his performances went worse and worse.

Yes he is still Captain under Emery when he plays, but Emery didn't start him for several games which probably took the pressure off, allowed him to get his head around the tactics and has now returned playing some of his best play.
Yeah, fortunately in that respect Emery could reasonably keep SJM on as captain (rather than a disruptive change mid-season), but also drop him (as he wasn't his appointment as captain).  He won't have that luxury again after the summer, although hopefully he won't need it.

Gerrard massively fucked up with the captaincy.  Not such much in deciding to take the captaincy off Mings, but the manner he did it in was a complete mess.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2023, 03:17:53 PM
Goes to show what proper coaching can do!

And playing in a position that suits him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2023, 03:27:00 PM
Heaping pressure on McGinn? He picked him as captain, a position he still holds.

The pressure was the way the captaincy was changed over. Neither Mings or McGinn were playing particularly well last season although I still think Mings shaded it, but stating "he (McGinn) deserved it" and Mings needed to just concentrate on playing, then the ridiculous "look me in the eyes" message after the first loss of the season definitely made the captaincy decision a talking point. However it also meant McGinn was also then undroppable as his performances went worse and worse.

Yes he is still Captain under Emery when he plays, but Emery didn't start him for several games which probably took the pressure off, allowed him to get his head around the tactics and has now returned playing some of his best play.
Yeah, fortunately in that respect Emery could reasonably keep SJM on as captain (rather than a disruptive change mid-season), but also drop him (as he wasn't his appointment as captain).  He won't have that luxury again after the summer, although hopefully he won't need it.

Gerrard massively fucked up with the captaincy.  Not such much in deciding to take the captaincy off Mings, but the manner he did it in was a complete mess.

He will if he doesn't make his choice of captain one of the big talking points for the entire summer. If he plays down how big a deal it is and maybe even talks about a leadership group he'll be able to pick whoever he likes almost game by game and not feel he needs to stick with 'his' man.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 03:29:24 PM
Goes to show what proper coaching can do!

And playing in a position that suits him.

What, midfield?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2023, 03:34:11 PM
Goes to show what proper coaching can do!

And playing in a position that suits him.

What, midfield?

He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 03:39:15 PM

He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.

I don't think that's true at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2023, 03:44:47 PM

He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.

I don't think that's true at all.

No, you're right, him covering Right Back wasn't out of position at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2023, 03:57:38 PM

He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.

I don't think that's true at all.

I can prove it with data (below) but you're very wrong.

(https://i.ibb.co/fdLbvWG/mcginn-position.png) (https://ibb.co/fdLbvWG)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 04:16:58 PM

He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.

I don't think that's true at all.

I can prove it with data (below) but you're very wrong.

(https://i.ibb.co/fdLbvWG/mcginn-position.png) (https://ibb.co/fdLbvWG)


That's genuinely hilarious. So under Gerrard, according to those, he played slightly further forward against Palace and Everton under Gerrard than he did against Everton away under Emery, and somehow that's proof that he's played too deep under Gerrard?! Right you are then.

Here's his heatmap from Whoscored  for the Everton home game under Gerrard (Martinez included for context), virtually the whole game in the opposition half, but yeah, he played too deep.  ::)

(https://i.ibb.co/NNL7Bv2/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-16-07-45.png) (https://ibb.co/NNL7Bv2)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2023, 04:35:13 PM
How unsurprising, have you ever admitted to being wrong?

I knew exactly what point you'd make about the everton game though, and in the image pointed out why it's meaningless but you just can't help but desperately try to be right, even when you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

I'll leave it there because there's literally no point engaging in this further, you're talking shit, everyone can see it and I don't need to point it out further.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on March 15, 2023, 04:40:42 PM

He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.

I don't think that's true at all.

I can prove it with data (below) but you're very wrong.

(https://i.ibb.co/fdLbvWG/mcginn-position.png) (https://ibb.co/fdLbvWG)


That's genuinely hilarious. So under Gerrard, according to those, he played slightly further forward against Palace and Everton under Gerrard than he did against Everton away under Emery, and somehow that's proof that he's played too deep under Gerrard?! Right you are then.

Here's his heatmap from Whoscored  for the Everton home game under Gerrard (Martinez included for context), virtually the whole game in the opposition half, but yeah, he played too deep.  ::)

(https://i.ibb.co/NNL7Bv2/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-16-07-45.png) (https://ibb.co/NNL7Bv2)

That seems to show him mostly around 10 yards into their half and never anywhere near the penalty box in a game where we had majority position.  It was one of many attempts from Gerrard to force square pegs into round holes but without first coaching them in what he wanted.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 04:52:53 PM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 05:22:18 PM
That seems to show him mostly around 10 yards into their half and never anywhere near the penalty box in a game where we had majority position.  It was one of many attempts from Gerrard to force square pegs into round holes but without first coaching them in what he wanted.

Yes the football was rubbish, and the main problem with McGinn was that he was made captain when his form didn't merit him being in the team, but being captain meant that Gerrard was pretty much forced to play him. He wasn't playing in a deep role, mostly he was in a 4-3-3 with Luiz covering the defence, and McGinn and Ramsey taking it in turns to advance forward.

Here are his heatmaps for away games against Leeds and Forest:

(https://i.ibb.co/1TfZMGY/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-17-15-45.png) (https://ibb.co/1TfZMGY)


(https://i.ibb.co/yp0vv7s/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-17-17-05.png) (https://ibb.co/yp0vv7s)



Chelsea at home:


(https://i.ibb.co/PmnqqyT/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-17-18-07.png) (https://ibb.co/PmnqqyT)



West Ham away at the weekend:


(https://i.ibb.co/5Fy9Wyk/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-17-20-14.png) (https://ibb.co/5Fy9Wyk)



He's not playing any more advanced recently, indeed you could argue he's playing a more reserved role. What he's doing is playing better. Better passing, better runs with the ball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on March 15, 2023, 05:24:45 PM
He’s certainly seems happier and playing well again as is Watkins and Luiz. Our midfield looks far better now under Emery.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 15, 2023, 05:36:01 PM
He seems to be revelling in being given clear instruction about his role in the side. No vaguery, he's playing a position his manager believes he's capable of, and he's doing it very well. From watching him from my seat in the stands I'd say he's playing quite a reserved role, less cavalier, more disciplined, undoutedly more effective.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2023, 06:15:24 PM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)

From what I’ve seen from some recent games is that he is playing on the right of a tight midfield four, which is quite different to how he was employed under Gerrard. 

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OCD on March 15, 2023, 06:30:30 PM
When Emery took he over, he felt we rushing too much and not taking enough touches. McGinn's the perfect example of that. Before he was taking the minimum number of touches before attempting some sort of Hollywood pass. Often giving possession away. Now he's taking more touches, and playing more simple passes if nothing's on. As a result he's not giving the ball away as much and it's probably helping his confidence.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 06:31:50 PM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)

From what I’ve seen from some recent games is that he is playing on the right of a tight midfield four, which is quite different to how he was employed under Gerrard. 


It's what we were told to expect when Emery arrived, with one of the full backs, in recent cases the left side with Moreno, bombing forward, and the other side being a bit more controlled.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on March 15, 2023, 06:56:06 PM
He seems to be revelling in being given clear instruction about his role in the side. No vaguery, he's playing a position his manager believes he's capable of, and he's doing it very well. From watching him from my seat in the stands I'd say he's playing quite a reserved role, less cavalier, more disciplined, undoutedly more effective.

That's it.

The wee fella is bursting with energy and likes to get involved and put it about. He has a fantastic left foot and is weak on his right. You don't want him near our penalty area committing fouls.

Emery has worked it out. Super John is a valuable asset if used efficiently. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on March 16, 2023, 12:31:46 AM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)

From what I’ve seen from some recent games is that he is playing on the right of a tight midfield four, which is quite different to how he was employed under Gerrard.

The "box" I think is how the anoracks are referring to our midfield four type set up. With McGinn and Ramsey certainly further infield when we have possession with more onus on Ramsey to come inside and let Digne/Moreno push forward as an extra man. Young/Cash in the main on the opposite side are being told to stay goal side of the ball so we always have at least three back (more a problem for Cash than Young). So you can get McGinn pinning left backs out of position one on one like he did very well at times v Arsenal and Palace (like setting Cash free). That's McGinn at his best for me. He ain't the player with the silkiest skills ...but he's a wily fox around the opposition box like mugging Gueye at Everton for the peno. Should have scored v Palace too.

Under Gerrard near the end this was a complete mess trying to replicate Liverpool's setup with full backs bombing on crossing to nobody and leaving McGinn trying to race back Wijnaldum like to cover Cash on counters. This was also a tactical problem under Emery on the left side against likes of Leicester, Man City and Arsenal but the return of Ramsey instead of Buendia/Coutinho on that side seems to be helping Digne/Moreno a lot more.

It was interesting that McGinn switched back to Kamara's position against WHU as RCM next to Luiz (which used to drive me mad under Smith and Gerrard). But he did very well and to be fair I think Luiz and himself switched over at one point anyway. But while it was ok as a one off that isn't McGinns best position (and also enabled the dreadful Bailey to get another undeserved start). If the Donk is fit, I'd much prefer pushing McGinn back to where he was. WHU snail like press led by Ings also helped the likes of McGinn have an extra second or two to get turned on it (both our CBs benefited from this too). Most teams won't allow that and that's when for me he comes a liability in front of his own box in that position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tomd2103 on March 16, 2023, 01:11:24 AM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)

From what I’ve seen from some recent games is that he is playing on the right of a tight midfield four, which is quite different to how he was employed under Gerrard. 


It's what we were told to expect when Emery arrived, with one of the full backs, in recent cases the left side with Moreno, bombing forward, and the other side being a bit more controlled.

I've noticed a couple of variations in the formation since he has been here.  Against Palace at home, it was definitely a tight midfield four, with McGinn and Ramsey outside the central two.  The onus was definitely on both full-backs to get forward, which Cash did for the goal.

There has definitely been another variation of formation where Bailey plays like a traditional right winger (Traore did as well on Sunday when he came on), there is a tightish midfield three and the left side is left open for the left-back to get forward.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 16, 2023, 09:54:19 AM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)

From what I’ve seen from some recent games is that he is playing on the right of a tight midfield four, which is quite different to how he was employed under Gerrard.

The "box" I think is how the anoracks are referring to our midfield four type set up. With McGinn and Ramsey certainly further infield when we have possession with more onus on Ramsey to come inside and let Digne/Moreno push forward as an extra man. Young/Cash in the main on the opposite side are being told to stay goal side of the ball so we always have at least three back (more a problem for Cash than Young). So you can get McGinn pinning left backs out of position one on one like he did very well at times v Arsenal and Palace (like setting Cash free). That's McGinn at his best for me. He ain't the player with the silkiest skills ...but he's a wily fox around the opposition box like mugging Gueye at Everton for the peno. Should have scored v Palace too.

Under Gerrard near the end this was a complete mess trying to replicate Liverpool's setup with full backs bombing on crossing to nobody and leaving McGinn trying to race back Wijnaldum like to cover Cash on counters. This was also a tactical problem under Emery on the left side against likes of Leicester, Man City and Arsenal but the return of Ramsey instead of Buendia/Coutinho on that side seems to be helping Digne/Moreno a lot more.

It was interesting that McGinn switched back to Kamara's position against WHU as RCM next to Luiz (which used to drive me mad under Smith and Gerrard). But he did very well and to be fair I think Luiz and himself switched over at one point anyway. But while it was ok as a one off that isn't McGinns best position (and also enabled the dreadful Bailey to get another undeserved start). If the Donk is fit, I'd much prefer pushing McGinn back to where he was. WHU snail like press led by Ings also helped the likes of McGinn have an extra second or two to get turned on it (both our CBs benefited from this too). Most teams won't allow that and that's when for me he comes a liability in front of his own box in that position.

This is correct, the important part is that the formation switches between 442 and 4222 in defence and attack (and has loads of nuance on top of that). This means that, when we have the ball, McGinn and Ramsey are in front of Luiz and Kamara (and almost in a 3 with Buendia/Bailey) and hence both are able to get involved further forward in the play. Of course that is relative to the rest of the team and relies on the context of where the game was played in terms of territiorial dominance but surely anyone who understands football already knows that and wouldn't post pointless data that doesn't show what they think it does.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 16, 2023, 10:00:11 AM
Ha ha, as if by clockwork, Mr "I'll leave it there" doesn't leave it there! I'll repeat for the hard of thinking. Wherever McGinn plays now under Emery, it's impossible to say he was "too deep" under the previous manager, when he spent the vast majority of every game well inside the opposition half.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 16, 2023, 10:50:33 AM
You can see from that graphic that McGinn's position hasn't really changed much. The big difference now is that Cash doesn't bomb on so much (clearly by design), so the distance between them is greater on average.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 16, 2023, 11:06:55 AM
You can see from that graphic that McGinn's position hasn't really changed much. The big difference now is that Cash doesn't bomb on so much (clearly by design), so the distance between them is greater on average.

One of the big difference is tactics. Against Forest and Leeds away under Gerrard, we spent most of the game pushed right up in their halves. The trouble is, the only tactics seemed to be passing it from side to side waiting for an opportunity to present it itself, which mostly didn't happen. McGinn spent most of the game against Forest really advanced and had that terrible fluffed attempt when he couldn't decide between a shot and a header, but his and the rest of the team's form was just too poor to break down a solid defence. Same with Leeds, especially after they had a man sent off. Against Chelsea at home, in a game we dominated, McGinn had three times as many touches in their half as he did in our half, including four in their box.

Now we have much more movement and possessionpartly as a result of McGinn using the ball much better, with the plan  obviously to try to suck teams in and break their press.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 16, 2023, 11:20:29 AM
Ha ha, as if by clockwork, Mr "I'll leave it there" doesn't leave it there! I'll repeat for the hard of thinking. Wherever McGinn plays now under Emery, it's impossible to say he was "too deep" under the previous manager, when he spent the vast majority of every game well inside the opposition half.


I wanted to leave it, I really did, but if you decide to carry on the argument I'm not a fan of letting bad data and shit analysis go unchallenged. Especially when it's being shared by someone willing to use 'hard of thinking' towards people who disagree with him (in fact you insulting the intelligence of other posters happens far more than me returning to a topic I tried to leave, how do you like "mr condescending" as a title?), even when they have a far better knowledge of the subject, because you're a literal manifestation of dunning-kruger.

That said I did give it a day to see if you'd work out why I included Everton instead of West Ham but you were so determined to be right that you just jumped in with both feet and never even considered it. Everton is a perfect example of my point because under Gerrard it was one of a very small number of games where we dominated play and, conversely, under Emery we were pretty passive and played a much deeper defensive line. That meant the absolute positions on the pitch under Emery were deeper and the heatmap shows that.

What it ignores is relative positions, which are far more important when it comes to working out how a player is being used and what their role in the team is. Under Emery the only players consistently further forward than McGinn have been Watkins and Bailey/Buendia, under Gerrard he was generally behind at least 1 of the fullbacks and about level with Kamara as the 4th or 5th most defensive player. This is what matters because it shows what the player does when we're attacking.

Now McGinn is being asked to get in or around the box and be involved in creating opportunities. Before he was clearly (and it upsets me that anyone needs to have this explained when they claim to actually have watched the matches) being asked to stay deeper and cover for Cash if we lost the ball.

The other thing that heatmaps can't show is the fact that we are now holding onto the ball in our own half to try to draw teams out and create space. To do that we have a lot of vertical movement from Ramsey, McGinn and Buendia (assuming that's the 3 who are playing) to come back, make themselves an option, and then break forward again. This can mean that even our more attacking players will appear in deeper positions as a tactical choice but isn't defensive.

In short if you want to talk about tactical choices (such as using a player 'too deep') please try to have more than a Steve Bruce understanding of the concept.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on March 16, 2023, 12:30:14 PM
Is dunning-kruger that midfielder at Hamburg? 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 16, 2023, 12:41:00 PM
Yes i had to look that one up. I like to be educated on here every now and again.

It sounds somewhat like my step father anyway who has claimed on more than one occasion that he 'could have been a brain surgeon' and in reality is the closest human incarnation  of 'Terry Fuckwit' from Viz that i've come across.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 16, 2023, 12:44:46 PM
Is dunning-kruger that midfielder at Hamburg? 

Voted for himself for the Ballon D'Or.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 16, 2023, 12:45:44 PM
Of course the irony of me saying it in the way I did is that it's an over-simplification and ignores the fact that it's been revised and renamed but the internet as a whole is still getting used to the original concept so it's a bit easier this way.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Simon Page on March 16, 2023, 01:16:31 PM
Is dunning-kruger that midfielder at Hamburg? 

Voted for himself for the Ballon D'Or.

It gives me great pleasure to nominate this as post of the month.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 16, 2023, 01:17:54 PM
Yes i had to look that one up. I like to be educated on here every now and again.

It sounds somewhat like my step father anyway who has claimed on more than one occasion that he 'could have been a brain surgeon' and in reality is the closest human incarnation  of 'Terry Fuckwit' from Viz that i've come across.

I was trying to explain the concept of a 'Karen' to the kids last night, and once I'd explained the characteristics at length I realised the best example I could think of was my dad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 16, 2023, 01:23:12 PM
Yes i had to look that one up. I like to be educated on here every now and again.

It sounds somewhat like my step father anyway who has claimed on more than one occasion that he 'could have been a brain surgeon' and in reality is the closest human incarnation  of 'Terry Fuckwit' from Viz that i've come across.

I was trying to explain the concept of a 'Karen' to the kids last night, and once I'd explained the characteristics at length I realised the best example I could think of was my dad.

Well, i've just had to look that one up too and i'm now sitting here laughing at your post :-)

2 new expressions in one lunch time, i'm doing well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 16, 2023, 01:31:14 PM
You have done well to avoid both of them until now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2023, 09:30:19 AM
Is dunning-kruger that midfielder at Hamburg? 

Think they’re a spin off act from some unlistenable German 1970s electronic group that only Legion and UKR like*


* I know I’ve used this before.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smirker on March 18, 2023, 05:48:57 PM
Wee John had a pretty good game today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2023, 06:26:32 PM
That one turn on a dime in the second half was superb. Brilliant skill.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 18, 2023, 07:17:17 PM
Wee John had a pretty good game today.

That's Super John to you Mr Smirker. I think he deserves his title back after the last few performances. I'd give him MOTM today and there was a few other excellent performances. The deciding factor was he put in that performance on a yellow card for most of the game; it really was a disciplined, skillful and hardworking display.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 18, 2023, 08:02:57 PM
Wee John had a pretty good game today.

That's Super John to you Mr Smirker. I think he deserves his title back after the last few performances. I'd give him MOTM today and there was a few other excellent performances. The deciding factor was he put in that performance on a yellow card for most of the game; it really was a disciplined, skillful and hardworking display.

That yellow card was really harsh as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: rob_bridge on March 18, 2023, 08:06:03 PM
Wee John had a pretty good game today.

Yup and he was good last week too. Amazing what happens when you have a coach who knows what they are doing. Unlike the twat before who hung Mings out to dry and put McGinn in a no-win position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: colin69 on March 18, 2023, 08:06:35 PM
Apart from when he gave the ball away and they should have scored he was excellent.
Back to his best I’d say.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 18, 2023, 08:16:15 PM
Sorry for resurrecting the Bruce Forsyth-esque debate about whether McGinn is playing Higher or Lower under Emery; but Ramsey (who arguably has taken McGinn’s position in kamara’s absence) was interviewed after today’s game and said his instructions are to get much higher up the pitch.

I’m no expert but I’d guess, under Emery, the right midfielder position’s heat map looks similar to the Gerrard version because the player spends very little time loitering in advanced positions but is given license to ‘arrive’ there without worry of leaving the team exposed. The subtle difference is they have full permission to do it whereas under Gerrard it was primarily the job of the full-backs to bomb forward.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smirker on March 18, 2023, 08:21:33 PM
That one turn on a dime in the second half was superb. Brilliant skill.

Yes that was superb.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 18, 2023, 08:31:15 PM
He looks like one of the best midfielders in the league again. Unconventional yes, but when used correctly his body strength is an absolute force of nature, it's a 'transition' in itself, something of very high value in the hands of someone capable of exploiting it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 18, 2023, 09:03:26 PM
Top drawer again today , keep it up SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 18, 2023, 09:41:42 PM
Good performance once again, said he' learning under Emery, which is a good sign, one player I didn't expect too honestly and goes to show that Emery is willing to give players a chance if required
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LukeJames on March 18, 2023, 10:21:48 PM
He's unrecognisable from the player he was under Gerrard. It's almost as if we signed a brand new player in January.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on March 18, 2023, 10:22:58 PM
He was superb today and he's been decent since Emery came in. And to think some used to call him shit and fat.


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 18, 2023, 10:33:13 PM
Steve Gerrard has got to answer for, his media mates have shut there gobs in recent  months
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: andyh on March 18, 2023, 10:44:40 PM
It’s very simple I think.
Gerard wanted McGinn playing in a very narrow channel…he was totally shackled.

The shackles are off, he’s free to cover every blade of grass on the pitch, and he does.
 He’s thriving and one of the best midfielders in the country again.

Ginny is back. Gerard is a c.unt.

Simple.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 18, 2023, 10:48:32 PM
 
He was superb today and he's been decent since Emery came in. And to think some used to call him shit and fat.

Pointless whine at other posters there.

Honestly, why bother? Why feel the need?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on March 18, 2023, 11:16:38 PM
He was superb today and he's been decent since Emery came in. And to think some used to call him shit and fat.

Pointless whine at other posters there.

Honestly, why bother? Why feel the need?

Considering one called him a fat knacker only a few months ago.....anyway enough about Risso

John McGinn is a Villa legend, playing under a proper coach he is thriving.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on March 18, 2023, 11:40:35 PM
He was really shit for a fair while under Gerard, as was a few others, so something is telling me it may not have been the players for the lack of form which was very evident.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2023, 11:40:56 PM
He was superb today and he's been decent since Emery came in. And to think some used to call him shit and fat.




It’s because he went through a period of being shit and fat. He’s much fitter now and he is back to playing some of his best football.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 18, 2023, 11:54:45 PM
He was really shit for a fair while under Gerard, as was a few others, so something is telling me it may not have been the players for the lack of form which was very evident.

Thinking back a bit, I picture him dallying on the ball and getting mugged or trying a pass that isn't on, the product of muddled thinking. That's gone and the player can show his qualities.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on March 19, 2023, 12:01:21 AM
He was really shit for a fair while under Gerard, as was a few others, so something is telling me it may not have been the players for the lack of form which was very evident.

Thinking back a bit, I picture him dallying on the ball and getting mugged or trying a pass that isn't on, the product of muddled thinking. That's gone and the player can show his qualities.

It was quite painful to see a player who was so adored by so many of us play so poorly.

I’m now pretty convinced Gerard picked a team and a formation and basically sent them out and hoped for the best, very much the same way my old football manager did when I was a kid.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Blorgons7 on March 19, 2023, 12:05:36 AM
It's so good to see McGinn back to his best. An absolute battler in midfield.

Think it's a testament to how much him and Luiz have improved in general recently to see how dominant they were as a midfield two today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 19, 2023, 12:23:46 AM
I still think there's more to come from Dougie. He has the talent, he's still young, I'd love to see him dominating the midfield. It's certainly within his capacity. I still think he cruises through games but there most certainly has a recent, big improvement. I guess it's up to him just how far he wants to develop. Love him but I know he can step up another gear.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on March 19, 2023, 12:45:20 AM
He was really shit for a fair while under Gerard, as was a few others, so something is telling me it may not have been the players for the lack of form which was very evident.

Thinking back a bit, I picture him dallying on the ball and getting mugged or trying a pass that isn't on, the product of muddled thinking. That's gone and the player can show his qualities.

It was quite painful to see a player who was so adored by so many of us play so poorly.

I’m now pretty convinced Gerard picked a team and a formation and basically sent them out and hoped for the best, very much the same way my old football manager did when I was a kid.

Yep, isn't it funny that a player with a clear direction and coaching can actually do a good job.

The players obviously know where they are supposed to be, but not only that, their teammates too. Perhaps our recruitment hasn't been all bad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2023, 01:34:49 AM
I still think there's more to come from Dougie. He has the talent, he's still young, I'd love to see him dominating the midfield. It's certainly within his capacity. I still think he cruises through games but there most certainly has a recent, big improvement. I guess it's up to him just how far he wants to develop. Love him but I know he can step up another gear.

Absolutely, and it will come with having JJ improve, Kamara develop and better players around him. Today he glided around the pitch and through Bournemouth. But it was Bournemouth and not Arsenal or Man City. He can still improve
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on March 19, 2023, 06:48:12 AM
He was superb today and he's been decent since Emery came in. And to think some used to call him shit and fat.
We were shit and crap; he was shit and fat. And this was expressed by people. Now we're not; he's not, and people are expressing that. To think people have a range of opinions and emotions that vary over time according to a given situation, moment or context. Tsk!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on March 19, 2023, 08:38:50 AM
Let's be honest, he was woeful for a while. He wasnt the Mcginn we were used to, whether that was down to tactics, him playing too deep, out of position, the furore of the captaincy weighing on him a little bit or maybe a combination of all these but he's been a cracking signing for us and has more than played his part in getting us back to where we are. No player is beyond criticism obviously but I thought he deserved better than being called a fat fuck and fat bastard. Just my opinion and I'll leave it there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on March 19, 2023, 08:52:09 AM
Well, it's not a WI tea party and if we only have wokey PC comment then there will be fewer posts than on TBAR. ;-)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 19, 2023, 08:56:45 AM
There was one game towards the end of Gerrard's tenure (Chelsea possibly) when McGinn got a sound booing when he came off, and the match going fans had clearly turned on him. I didn't think he deserved that either, but football's a game that brings out people's emotions. Give me that over the sanitised crowd you get at rugby any day though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 23, 2023, 04:53:07 PM
Scotland play Spain on Tuesday.
I'm sure Emery will be watching!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dave on March 23, 2023, 04:54:46 PM
Scotland play Spain on Tuesday.
I'm sure Emery will be watching!

Maybe his opponents can help him pick up a bit of the language?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 23, 2023, 05:21:48 PM
Scotland play Spain on Tuesday.
I'm sure Emery will be watching!

Maybe his opponents can help him pick up a bit of the language?
I think McIneista knows a few here and there Spain phrases
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 25, 2023, 05:13:36 PM
Another goal for Scotland for SJM today vs Cyprus
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SaddVillan on March 25, 2023, 05:20:41 PM
 53 caps, 16 goals.
Just under 1 in 3.

If he did that in the Leagues he'd have 11 in a season!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villa Lew on March 25, 2023, 05:33:25 PM
If I was a betting man, I'd have put money on him scoring today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 25, 2023, 06:08:38 PM
Just seen him being interviewed after today's game. He looks a happy chap.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 25, 2023, 07:01:24 PM
It’s just great to see SJM enjoying his football again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villa Lew on March 25, 2023, 08:17:03 PM
He now moves up to 7th in Scotland's all time Top Goalscorers list, pretty impressive.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on March 25, 2023, 09:25:06 PM
BBC Sport:

Quote
14:59
Main man McGinn

Scotland 1-0 Cyprus

John McGinn has been involved in 22 goals - scored 16, assisted six - since Steve Clarke took charge. That's 12 more than any other Scotland player in that period.

Imperious.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 25, 2023, 09:28:14 PM
He now moves up to 7th in Scotland's all time Top Goalscorers list, pretty impressive.

The top scorer for Scotland is (I think) Kenny Dalglish with 30-something. It's ridiculously low anyway. Possibly to do with their bizarre policy of not picking excellent strikers like Andy Gray and Graeme Sharp back in the day.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 11:44:19 AM
John McGinn after scoring again for Scotland
"I have gone 46 [games] without a goal at Villa which is eating away at me – and I score after 20 [minutes] for Scotland. I am sure when I get down to Birmingham I will be getting reminders of that and I need to try and get back on the goal trail with the club."

Yes, I'll tell you that the reason you scored after 20 minutes was because you were playing against Cyprus McGinn!  They have an extremely limited pool of players from which to choose. A country in football terms which is a minnow. In all honesty he should be scoring against them if hes the main goal threat for Scotland given the difference in abilities.
What is the significance of his comparison? Does our captain believe there is no difference between the Premier League and the quality of opposition he faces for Scotland?

Fact
Internationallly 10 or even more of McGinn's 16 goals have come against lowly ranked sides and the smaller countries, he has never scored against a major footballing power. In actuality, he has never even scored more than one goal except when playing against San Marino with a Hat Trick and a brace against the Faroe Islands.

Fact
The reality Ginny has faced France, Portugal, England, Croatia, Holland, Italy, Mexico, and did not score. Some of these countries he's faced mire than once.

Context
Credit where credit is due, but the opposition must be considered in addition to the role and position he plays internationally compared to playing at Villa.

Prediction on Evidence
Based on his international record and having seen him at Villa be a very non existence goal threat or unavke to convert John McGinn will never complete a hat trick in the Premier League, in my opinion.

Based on this level he may have a hat trick against a lower-level team in a domestic cup

Theory
McGinn is expected to appear against Spain soon. If he is to demonstrate any sign that he can compete with the best, and where we expect our Villa players to be capable, I want to see him score against Spain on Tuesday.

Prediction
I doubt he will unlikely given the type of opposition Ginny scores against for Scotland.

Conclusion
And that, to me, shows that, while he is a spirited and good player for Villa and a key player, goalscorer, and danger for Scotland, he is someone who can be upgraded at Villa and we bring in a midfielder capable of scoring against top 10 World/European sides.



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 26, 2023, 12:20:34 PM
I'm sure that will be exactly the sort of dressing down that Emery will have it in mind to deliver to McGinn, the minute he's back at Bodymoor Heath.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on March 26, 2023, 12:23:35 PM
Quote
The reality Ginny has faced France, Portugal, England, Croatia, Holland, Italy, Mexico, and did not score. Some of these countries he's faced mire than once.


That’s the equivalent of criticising a midfielder from a League One side for failing to score against Premier League teams. Scotland is a tiny footballing nation so will inevitably be on the back-foot in games agains the bigger countries.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on March 26, 2023, 12:30:26 PM
Agreed, I always found that harsh, but I think people from Big Football Nations can sometimes find it hard to vibe with the mindset of smaller ones. I remember talking to a Brazilian friend of mine who refused to accept George Best as a candidate for best-ever as 'he did nothing in the World Cup'. As if that's fair!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OCD on March 26, 2023, 01:38:27 PM

Context
Credit where credit is due, but the opposition must be considered in addition to the role and position he plays internationally compared to playing at Villa.

Then there's the context that Scotland aren't exactly world beaters themselves either. And also have a small pool of talent to choose from.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on March 26, 2023, 02:45:48 PM
Great essay lay-out, Footy. BE will finally become a fan of yours!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 26, 2023, 03:02:26 PM
Have you given it much thought Footy ?🤔😉
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 03:19:26 PM
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.

Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on March 26, 2023, 03:24:32 PM
Hal Robson-Kanu scored against Belgium.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 26, 2023, 03:29:37 PM
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.

Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.


I think that would be a silly way to judge players. I mean, I'd really like Martin Odegaard in the Villa team, but he's only scored two international goals, and they weren't against top flight teams, so he must be shit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 03:46:30 PM
Hal Robson-Kanu scored against Belgium.

Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.

Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.


I think that would be a silly way to judge players. I mean, I'd really like Martin Odegaard in the Villa team, but he's only scored two international goals, and they weren't against top flight teams, so he must be shit.
Robson Kanu has retired and doesn't play as a midfielder.
Odergaard hasn't scored against a top ranked nation.

So I'm suggesting replacing McGinn with an international player who regularly scores against the established top footballing countries would be beneficial to Villa progressing. An established international player of a higher pedigree than McGinn would win us more games.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on March 26, 2023, 03:47:30 PM
Obviously a better player would be better, it's just that your criterion doesn't really indicate anything.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on March 26, 2023, 03:49:24 PM
Yes, but some great players like Odergaard and Haaland, play for nations who are no better than Aston Villa reserves. International record is not the be all and end all. In fact, it's less important than consistently performing well for a half-decent club or better. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2023, 03:49:47 PM
Let’s sign whoever it was that scored for Saudi Arabia against Argentina!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 03:59:08 PM
The likelihood though is player with a proven pedigree on the international stage would be a major asset to the team.
It's all well and good having a goal scorer for Scotland national team but would we not rather have a top player from Spain, Portugal or Germany?
I would.


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on March 26, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
But it's a meaningless category isn't it FV? Like, yes, the England midfielder is likely to be better than the Czech midfielder, but what if the latter is Pavel Nedved and the former is David Batty? It's just correlation not causation again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 26, 2023, 04:20:30 PM
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.

Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.

You’ve moved the goalposts in your later posts, but this question has lots of holes in it. Lots of players who wouldn’t get in the Villa side have scored against top international sides. Robson-Kanu is mentioned below, Sam Voekes also scored for Wales in the same game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 26, 2023, 04:21:42 PM
Robin Olsen is an established international.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 26, 2023, 04:29:38 PM
What about players who haven't even been international players? That Dennis Mortimer, for example? Blimey, he was rubbish. Would much rather have had Graham Rix.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2023, 04:29:45 PM
Robin Olsen is an established international.

As is Augustinsson. Sweden really are fucked
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 26, 2023, 04:41:26 PM
Anyway, it’s great that SJM has hit some form. I don’t think he’s been good since the championship but I’d love him to kick on from now on.

That said, a random video popped up on my YouTube feed the other day of all our goals from last season and this, and he looked really good on that, involved in lots of them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 26, 2023, 04:57:08 PM
Anyway, it’s great that SJM has hit some form. I don’t think he’s been good since the championship but I’d love him to kick on from now on.

That said, a random video popped up on my YouTube feed the other day of all our goals from last season and this, and he looked really good on that, involved in lots of them.

Back when Andy Townsend signed I always thought he was a bit underwhelming in his first season, then I watched the season highlights a couple of years back and he was involved in loads
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2023, 04:58:17 PM
Yes, I'll tell you that the reason you scored after 20 minutes was because you were playing against Cyprus McGinn!  They have an extremely limited pool of players from which to choose. A country in football terms which is a minnow. In all honesty he should be scoring against them if hes the main goal threat for Scotland given the difference in abilities.

The Stevenage of international football.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 26, 2023, 06:03:04 PM
He now moves up to 7th in Scotland's all time Top Goalscorers list, pretty impressive.

The top scorer for Scotland is (I think) Kenny Dalglish with 30-something. It's ridiculously low anyway. Possibly to do with their bizarre policy of not picking excellent strikers like Andy Gray and Graeme Sharp back in the day.

Law and Dalglish both have 30 each but he has a chance to overtake Hughie Gallacher who's 3rd with 23 goals. They did have a bizarre selection policy though when you consider Alan Hansen only got 26 caps.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 06:08:28 PM
Well it the level of international goalscorer he is can be raised if he scores with any opportunity against Spain on Tuesday.
To me that would be a great statement of his form.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on March 26, 2023, 06:14:36 PM
The likelihood though is player with a proven pedigree on the international stage would be a major asset to the team.
It's all well and good having a goal scorer for Scotland national team but would we not rather have a top player from Spain, Portugal or Germany?
I would
Despite your well laid-out post, your stating the obvious. The question is whether regularly-scoring international midfielders- who net against the best nations - would currently join Villa.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 26, 2023, 06:22:25 PM
McGinn's done really well since Emery came in, miles ahead of the level he was this time last year (and for most of 2021).

I think like Mings he'll pen a contract extension in the summer as UE understands the importance of keeping a core of players around who know the club/league.

Think those games he spent on the bench after Gerrard got sacked gave him the kick up his considerable backside he needed so that's important going forward, we don't just start the established players for the sake of it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 26, 2023, 06:40:09 PM
McGinn's done really well since Emery came in, miles ahead of the level he was this time last year (and for most of 2021).

I think like Mings he'll pen a contract extension in the summer as UE understands the importance of keeping a core of players around who know the club/league.

Think those games he spent on the bench after Gerrard got sacked gave him the kick up his considerable backside he needed so that's important going forward, we don't just start the established players for the sake of it.

I think this is right. If playing well and scoring for Scotland against the lesser footballing nations, gives him confidence, then great. I however, tend to judge any of our players on how they play for Villa. Apart from his period out injured, McGinns form under Emery, has been largely excellent. The challenge will be whether he can maintain that form for the rest of the season and then how he reacts if we buy someone who can also play in a similar position like the lad from Marseille.
I understand FVs overall point but if McGinn doesn’t score against Spain (no matter how well he plays) but then has a blinder for Villa at Chelsea, it kind of makes the overall point mute.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2023, 07:12:56 PM
*clears throat, waits for BE*
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 07:21:55 PM

McGinn's done really well since Emery came in, miles ahead of the level he was this time last year (and for most of 2021).

I think like Mings he'll pen a contract extension in the summer as UE understands the importance of keeping a core of players around who know the club/league.

Think those games he spent on the bench after Gerrard got sacked gave him the kick up his considerable backside he needed so that's important going forward, we don't just start the established players for the sake of it.

I think this is right. If playing well and scoring for Scotland against the lesser footballing nations, gives him confidence, then great. I however, tend to judge any of our players on how they play for Villa. Apart from his period out injured, McGinns form under Emery, has been largely excellent. The challenge will be whether he can maintain that form for the rest of the season and then how he reacts if we buy someone who can also play in a similar position like the lad from Marseille.
I understand FVs overall point but if McGinn doesn’t score against Spain (no matter how well he plays) but then has a blinder for Villa at Chelsea, it kind of makes the overall point mute.

Well McGinn, himself, is the one emphasising goals by his broadcasting about not scoring goals for Villa!
You make a valid point though, RBruno, and his performances for Villa are considerably of the most utmost importance and concern

We are most interested about his contributions in the Premier League next match against Chelsea so in that respect he doesn't have to score against Spain

Signing some one in the summer to come in for McGinn will represents the next step in moving forward as a team,  the idea of an improvement in that position, and the kind of midfielder who is scoring goals from that position.

Although I support McGinn and recognize his improvement ,to some extent, and he has a shown a great attitude and will always make an effort, as well as a certain likeable nature , I do believe that a better football player is required because Ginny has already demonstrated what he is capable of doing and that isn't contributing by scoring goals
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 26, 2023, 07:22:11 PM
I think this is right. If playing well and scoring for Scotland against the lesser footballing nations, gives him confidence, then great. I however, tend to judge any of our players on how they play for Villa. Apart from his period out injured, McGinns form under Emery, has been largely excellent. The challenge will be whether he can maintain that form for the rest of the season and then how he reacts if we buy someone who can also play in a similar position like the lad from Marseille.
I understand FVs overall point but if McGinn doesn’t score against Spain (no matter how well he plays) but then has a blinder for Villa at Chelsea, it kind of makes the overall point mute.

Your post started well but then took a swan dive.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 26, 2023, 07:22:15 PM
*clears throat, waits for BE*

:)

I'm saying nothing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2023, 07:23:59 PM
*clears throat, waits for BE*

:)

I'm saying nothing.

Ha ha, very good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 07:47:23 PM
McGinn 7 shots on target this season.
Had 4 big chances.
XGoals 1.53

Ramsey has chipped in with 3 goals
Douglas Luiz has chipped in with 3 goals
McGinn? Nothing.

Yes, McGinn strength is his tackling and combative nature, but he surely needs to have offered up a even one goal by now.
Ward Prowse 7 goals and Neves 5 goals play the right of midfield and at times deeper. They take penalties.

Then there are the likes
5 goals Højbjerg
4 goals Xhaka
3 goals Paulina
3 goals Partey.

Midfielder at Everton Doucoure has even scored 2 in recent weeks under a new manager having not scored all season. So now come on McGinn give us a goal man!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2023, 08:05:32 PM
If only he hadn’t got wasted that weekend in Dublin.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: colin69 on March 26, 2023, 08:14:17 PM
If only he hadn’t got wasted that weekend in Dublin.

God you’re boring…..
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2023, 09:27:25 PM
If only he hadn’t got wasted that weekend in Dublin.

God you’re boring…..

And you paid attention to my post because?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: colin69 on March 26, 2023, 09:39:26 PM
I’m bored shitless and it’s something to do…
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: olaftab on March 26, 2023, 11:54:58 PM
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.

Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.

I don't think signing the Alshehri or Aldawsari who both scored for Saudi Arabia against Argentina will be an upgrade on John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on March 27, 2023, 01:36:14 AM
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.

Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.

I don't think signing the Alshehri or Aldawsari who both scored for Saudi Arabia against Argentina will be an upgrade on John.

Yes.

There is a glitch in the logic of the algorithm.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 27, 2023, 09:34:33 AM
You only have to look at the opponents Haaland has scored against at international level to see why it was stupid for Man City to buy him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 09:49:02 AM
Premier League wise I,'ll never ever forget the goal at Spurs when we came back up to the Prem.
Sheer jubilation for me that one! Classic McGinn, and he announced himself to the league.

But will John McGinn score for Villa this season?

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 27, 2023, 09:56:49 AM
It is a team game, if he scores he scores. If he doesn't but puts in performances like he has recently, then others will score AND he will also have had a hand in stopping the opponents from scoring. He is not a striker, and contrary to what you are taking from some comments he has made, he is also not "our" main goal scoring source unlike when he plays for Scotland.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 10:35:28 AM
But it was McGinn who brought up the topic of goals for Villa, and it stands to reason that his international goalscoring exploits and the dearth of goals at club level will spark discussion and debate.
SJM is aware of the issue and sounds like he's aware of the topic being discussed by followers of Aston Villa and football people who notice the difference in goals at Club and Country level

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2023, 10:42:18 AM
I am sure it was a passing comment from him and not something he wanted to become a subject of great debate.

I don't think it has anything to do with anyone else discussing it, he's not stupid, he knows he used to score more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2023, 10:44:22 AM
He should be scoring more for us though, we all know that, including him. 43 games or whatever it is, without a goal is pisspoor.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2023, 10:52:06 AM
He should be scoring more for us though, we all know that, including him. 43 games or whatever it is, without a goal is pisspoor.

He should have buried that chance away at Forest earlier in the season, he had the whole goal to aim at and got caught in two minds between heading and shooting. Might have been a minor Glen Whelan 'Sliding Doors' moment that, as if he had scored and we'd won, we'd have been 10th rather than 16th and it might have delayed/prevented the rage sacking a couple of games later, and we possibly might not have Unai now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 27, 2023, 10:55:01 AM
But it was McGinn who brought up the topic of goals for Villa, and it stands to reason that his international goalscoring exploits and the dearth of goals at club level will spark discussion and debate.
SJM is aware of the issue and sounds like he's aware of the topic being discussed by followers of Aston Villa and football people who notice the difference in goals at Club and Country level

I expect he was "joking" that his team mates would jibe him that he hasn't scored. I doubt he was talking about items on fans sites. The only reason any of this has become a discussion is because someone was craving attention so decided to turn a throwaway line into some stupid point that if someone who plays for a small international side doesn't score against former World Champions, then they should not be playing for better club sides. People are not discussing Mcginn, they are discussing why someone has made stupid arguments.

BTW, if we get better players, we get better players. Which international side and who they happen to score against should be less of concern on whether they make us better or worse on the player being replaced.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 10:57:13 AM
He's been looking fitter and leaner and has performed well in recent matches for us.
Remember when we first arrived back in the Prem McGinn ahead of anyone was the one who looked most comfortable at the top level.

I'll just say no more and wait on outcome now on goals, but hopefully, he scores vs. Spain AND Chelsea! That would be Super.

Facts
SJM has appaeraed in 123 matches in the Premier League.
Started in 118 matches and scored 9 goals.

He has scored 3 goals each season in his 3 seasons at Prem Level.





Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 27, 2023, 10:57:41 AM
He's now got over half as many goals for Scotland as League goals in his career. In the time it's taken him to score those 16 international goals he's scored 9 for us. I don't really know what to make of that fact. We should set up like Scotland?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2023, 11:02:02 AM
He's now got over half as many goals for Scotland as League goals in his career. In the time it's taken him to score those 16 international goals he's scored 9 for us. I don't really know what to make of that fact. We should set up like Scotland?

The average Premier League team is a bit better than Cyprus, the Faeroes or Israel though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: stevo_st on March 27, 2023, 11:03:03 AM
Have you noticed against which defences he’s picked up those goals for Scotland though? Cyprus / Faeroe Island etc
Probably the equivalent of playing against Championship or League One
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2023, 11:07:41 AM
He should be scoring more for us though, we all know that, including him. 43 games or whatever it is, without a goal is pisspoor.

He should have buried that chance away at Forest earlier in the season, he had the whole goal to aim at and got caught in two minds between heading and shooting. Might have been a minor Glen Whelan 'Sliding Doors' moment that, as if he had scored and we'd won, we'd have been 10th rather than 16th and it might have delayed/prevented the rage sacking a couple of games later, and we possibly might not have Unai now.

That miss summed up him, the manager he played for and the way he 'set up' the team at that time.

Confused and indecisive, a world away from what we've seen from McGinn this year.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2023, 11:11:10 AM
Have you noticed against which defences he’s picked up those goals for Scotland though? Cyprus / Faeroe Island etc
Probably the equivalent of playing against Championship or League One

It doesn't prove anything but it's also not to be sniffed at. There's plenty of higher rated midfielders that also play against these teams and don't have the same return, and they're not playing alongside Grant Hanley and Lyndon Dykes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2023, 11:12:10 AM

That miss summed up him, the manager he played for and the way he 'set up' the team at that time.

Confused and indecisive, a world away from what we've seen from McGinn this year.

It was a terrible match. We did nothing but past it sideways over and over again between the midfielders, we had no cutting edge whatsoever.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 27, 2023, 11:26:34 AM
He's now got over half as many goals for Scotland as League goals in his career. In the time it's taken him to score those 16 international goals he's scored 9 for us. I don't really know what to make of that fact. We should set up like Scotland?

The average Premier League team is a bit better than Cyprus, the Faeroes or Israel though.


Yeah, I just don't see him as a goalscorer. What he does in a Scotland shirt is hugely at odds with the rest of his career. One in close to eleven, be that with us or before. If he can bag three before season's end he'll maintain his typical average. If not, he'll have scored 3 fewer than he normally does in a season. No biggy.

Him alone not scoring is less of an issue with me than the dearth of goals from our regular 'back sevens', for want of a better term. 2 from defenders, 6 from Ramsey, Douglas Luiz, McGinn, Kamara and Dendoncker. Pitiful.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2023, 11:33:09 AM
Yes we definitely need to increase the goals from all areas.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2023, 11:52:07 AM
Yes we definitely need to increase the goals from all areas.

I think we're starting to see this happening, midfielders are actually appearing in the opposition box now as opposed to covering the full backs
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on March 27, 2023, 11:55:22 AM
Yes we definitely need to increase the goals from all areas.

Yep, though i think that's at odds with the manager's philosophy to be fair.

Martinez went up for a corner and the manager has been clear he doesn't want it happening again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 27, 2023, 12:16:17 PM
While we’re on the subject of McGinn scoring most of his international goals against “soft” opponents…..

I’m assuming these stats are correct….

https://twitter.com/lfcshaunjudge/status/1640058119991488515?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2023, 12:24:15 PM
While we’re on the subject of McGinn scoring most of his international goals against “soft” opponents…..

I’m assuming these stats are correct….

https://twitter.com/lfcshaunjudge/status/1640058119991488515?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA

A number of his penalties were against the sides listed.

You can probably break down Messi's or Ronaldo's international goals and a very small number will be against top sides.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2023, 12:31:37 PM
While we’re on the subject of McGinn scoring most of his international goals against “soft” opponents…..

I’m assuming these stats are correct….

https://twitter.com/lfcshaunjudge/status/1640058119991488515?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA (https://twitter.com/lfcshaunjudge/status/1640058119991488515?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA)

A number of his penalties were against the sides listed.

You can probably break down Messis or Ronaldo's international goals and a very small number will be against top sides.

A quick look and you're right. Ronaldo's got 11 against Luxembourg, 7 against Lithuania, 6 against Andorra. His only "top tier" goals are:

Argentina - 1
Belgium - 3
France - 2
Germany - 1
Spain - 3

And he's never scored against England, the shit bastard.

That's the nature of international football these days I guess.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2023, 12:33:19 PM
The commentator the other night said most of Booby Charlton's were against farmers and postmen, or words to that effect.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
I think I remember a stat that Ronaldo has never scored a goal in the World Cup knock out stages.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 27, 2023, 12:44:10 PM
While we’re on the subject of McGinn scoring most of his international goals against “soft” opponents…..

I’m assuming these stats are correct….

https://twitter.com/lfcshaunjudge/status/1640058119991488515?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA

A number of his penalties were against the sides listed.



Yeah, I asked him if he was counting some goals twice.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 27, 2023, 12:50:15 PM
The commentator the other night said most of Booby Charlton's were against farmers and postmen, or words to that effect.


49 goals.
22 in friendlies.
16 the Home Championships*.
6 in other* qualifiers (5 against Luxembourg WC, 1 against Spain EC).
5 in tournaments (4WC, 1EC)

* There's an overlap of 3 goals when the HC was deemed a qualifying group.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on March 27, 2023, 12:54:13 PM
*clears throat, waits for BE*

 :)

I'm saying nothing.

Ha ha, very good.
I've not followed but just skimmed through and seen this so I'm a bit nonplussed but YES or NO as the case may be. I'm working so you'll have to point me to it later. Ta! :-)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dave on March 27, 2023, 12:58:37 PM
The commentator the other night said most of Booby Charlton's were against farmers and postmen, or words to that effect.


49 goals.
22 in friendlies.
16 the Home Championships*.
6 in other* qualifiers (5 against Luxembourg WC, 1 against Spain EC).
5 in tournaments (4WC, 1EC)

* There's an overlap of 3 goals when the HC was deemed a qualifying group.

Yup, I remember there being a lot of pant-wetting when Rooney broke Sir Booby's record about how it didn't mean anything due to the opponents Rooney scored against. From people assuming in the '60s every international match was the equivalent of a World Cup final.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 27, 2023, 01:01:17 PM
That World Cup qualifiers one is eyebrow raising. 5 against Luxembourg, and that's it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2023, 01:04:44 PM
That World Cup qualifiers one is eyebrow raising. 5 against Luxembourg, and that's it.

In fairness to him we didn't play any for the 1966 or 1970 World Cups.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 27, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
And his 4 hat-tricks came in friendlies we won 8-1 vs USA, 8-0 vs Mexico & 8-1 vs Switzerland, plus 3 of his Luxembourg goals came in a 9-0 win.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2023, 01:22:55 PM
*clears throat, waits for BE*

 :)

I'm saying nothing.

Ha ha, very good.
I've not followed but just skimmed through and seen this so I'm a bit nonplussed but YES or NO as the case may be. I'm working so you'll have to point me to it later. Ta! :-)


Mute / moot.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 27, 2023, 01:36:53 PM
I think it will be similar for all strikers at international level.  This is Kanes record ( from Twitter )
(https://i.ibb.co/W3S4C0d/BFB52968-1566-4564-84-A0-C4-DEFDE6446-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W3S4C0d)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2023, 01:39:07 PM
I think it will be similar for all strikers at international level.  This is Kanes record ( from Twitter )
(https://i.ibb.co/W3S4C0d/BFB52968-1566-4564-84-A0-C4-DEFDE6446-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W3S4C0d)


Which as mentioned on the previous page isn't accurate as a number of his pens were against the sides listed. Two against Panama at the World Cup for example.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on March 27, 2023, 01:56:49 PM
*clears throat, waits for BE*

 :)

I'm saying nothing.

Ha ha, very good.
I've not followed but just skimmed through and seen this so I'm a bit nonplussed but YES or NO as the case may be. I'm working so you'll have to point me to it later. Ta! :-)


Mute / moot.
Ah, yes.  My eyes had already glazed over at some apostrophe crime and various misdemeanours and the final word in the post didn't register.

But I hear you.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2023, 02:02:29 PM
Not accurate but indicative that every* international striker will have a record that is dominated by goals against teams that are miles below the standard they are used to playing at club level. It's why I don't look at domestic cup goals either as they can often be misleading. Even the champions league and Europa league can be difficult to read into.

All of which suggests that singling out McGinn for scoring against shit international teams and not scoring for us is a bit unfair. The biggest difference is how he's used.
For us in 23 league appearances he's had 27 shots.
For Scotland in 7 appearances he's managed 21.

He should definitely have a couple of goals for us but comparing his record to how he is for Scotland is a bit pointless.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 02:08:19 PM
Not accurate but indicative that every* international striker will have a record that is dominated by goals against teams that are miles below the standard they are used to playing at club level. It's why I don't look at domestic cup goals either as they can often be misleading. Even the champions league and Europa league can be difficult to read into.

All of which suggests that singling out McGinn for scoring against shit international teams and not scoring for us is a bit unfair. The biggest difference is how he's used.
For us in 23 league appearances he's had 27 shots.
For Scotland in 7 appearances he's managed 21.

He should definitely have a couple of goals for us but comparing his record to how he is for Scotland is a bit pointless.
Then comparing his shots for international and club is also pointless isn't it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 27, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Not accurate but indicative that every* international striker will have a record that is dominated by goals against teams that are miles below the standard they are used to playing at club level. It's why I don't look at domestic cup goals either as they can often be misleading. Even the champions league and Europa league can be difficult to read into.

All of which suggests that singling out McGinn for scoring against shit international teams and not scoring for us is a bit unfair. The biggest difference is how he's used.
For us in 23 league appearances he's had 27 shots.
For Scotland in 7 appearances he's managed 21.

He should definitely have a couple of goals for us but comparing his record to how he is for Scotland is a bit pointless.
Then comparing his shots for international and club is also pointless isn't it.

Oh come on footy, surely you can see that he plays in a very attacking role for Scotland, and that for a long time he’s played in a more defensive role for Villa. Under Smith he lined-up alongside, or slightly ahead of Dougie in a 4-2-3-1, while under Gerrard he was expected to cover his full-back. I’m not his biggest fan but in his few games for Emery you can see he has been involved more in the attacking play, especially before Dougie’s regular partner Kamara got injured.

If he continues to be goal and/or assist-shy in the more attacking role Emery assigned him to before Bouba’s injury I’m sure UE will look to address that in the summer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dave on March 27, 2023, 02:24:08 PM
Oh come on footy, surely even someone a clueless as you can work out that he plays in a very attacking role for Scotland

Not really called for.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 27, 2023, 02:24:51 PM
Oh come on footy, surely even someone a clueless as you can work out that he plays in a very attacking role for Scotland

Not really called for.

Sorry. Edit incoming.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 02:27:22 PM
No harm done.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 27, 2023, 02:32:03 PM
I have already said " He's been looking fitter and leaner and has performed well in recent matches for us.
Remember when we first arrived back in the Prem McGinn ahead of anyone was the one who looked most comfortable at the top level.

I'll just say no more and wait on outcome now on goals, but hopefully, he scores vs. Spain AND Chelsea! That would be Super."

I'm hardly clueless as reeled of actual stats.
Facts
SJM has appaeraed in 123 matches in the Premier League.
Started in 118 matches and scored 9 goals.

He has scored 3 goals each season in his 3 seasons at Prem Level.

I don't wish to talk on this anymore till after the matches.

Anyone can look up statistics. You lack the insight to see them in context.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Not accurate but indicative that every* international striker will have a record that is dominated by goals against teams that are miles below the standard they are used to playing at club level. It's why I don't look at domestic cup goals either as they can often be misleading. Even the champions league and Europa league can be difficult to read into.

All of which suggests that singling out McGinn for scoring against shit international teams and not scoring for us is a bit unfair. The biggest difference is how he's used.
For us in 23 league appearances he's had 27 shots.
For Scotland in 7 appearances he's managed 21.

He should definitely have a couple of goals for us but comparing his record to how he is for Scotland is a bit pointless.
Then comparing his shots for international and club is also pointless isn't it.

Honestly, yes but it's a better insight into why he scores more goals for them. The very basic concept of 'you can't score goals if you don't shoot' covers most of the difference recently.

The only important question for anyone to be asking on this is why does he take nearly 3x as many shots per game for scotland than he does for Villa?
We can put forward some theories, for example: Is it just a positional thing? is it confidence? Is it that they're comparatively weaker defences so he gets more time? Is it because he knows he NEEDS to score for them whereas for us he trusts the players in front of him more?

If we want more goals from him we need to work out the answer(s) to that and address it. I don't think it's gonig to be down to any single one of those points though, probably elements of all of them, and other things on top that no one on here has mentioned.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 27, 2023, 09:28:48 PM
*clears throat, waits for BE*

 :)

I'm saying nothing.

Ha ha, very good.
I've not followed but just skimmed through and seen this so I'm a bit nonplussed but YES or NO as the case may be. I'm working so you'll have to point me to it later. Ta! :-)


Mute / moot.
Ah, yes.  My eyes had already glazed over at some apostrophe crime and various misdemeanours and the final word in the post didn't register.

But I hear you.

I apologise for the mute/moot error, but absolutely not for my various misdemeanours.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: avfcdale on March 29, 2023, 08:14:53 AM
Well done John and all your Scots teammates epic win over Spain
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 30, 2023, 09:28:41 PM
McGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 30, 2023, 09:31:40 PM
McGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.

I think one of the FV collective has been on some special medicines tonight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: johnc on March 30, 2023, 09:57:16 PM
McGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.

I think one of the FV collective has been on some special medicines tonight.
Even Martinez would doff his cap to that level of time wasting
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 30, 2023, 10:15:08 PM
McGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.

Do you think Emery might be angry with McGinn because Scotland engaged in time wasting against Spain?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 31, 2023, 08:36:08 AM
McGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.

Do you think Emery might be angry with McGinn because Scotland engaged in time wasting against Spain?
disgusting him wasting time, should send him to Dublin as a punishment, don't let him back until Saturday morning as well
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: algy on March 31, 2023, 09:23:06 AM
Think the goals against international opponents thing is an odd argument. Particularly for someone who plays for Scotland - who've had a somewhat sparse record of games in World Cup / European Championship finals for the last 25 years ... who exactly is he meant to have scored goals against? Cos pretty much by definition 3/4 of the games he's been playing have been against sides that haven't qualified for a WC/EC. Or is it that players should intentionally save up their goals against shit teams so they can score them against better ones?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: olaftab on March 31, 2023, 09:29:11 AM
McGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.

Do you think Emery might be angry with McGinn because Scotland engaged in time wasting against Spain?
disgusting him wasting time, should send him to Dublin as a punishment, don't let him back until Saturday morning as well
I have a feeling that he's going to get a mouthful from Emi Martinez this morning. Total amateur he was!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2023, 10:14:44 AM
Think the goals against international opponents thing is an odd argument. Particularly for someone who plays for Scotland - who've had a somewhat sparse record of games in World Cup / European Championship finals for the last 25 years ... who exactly is he meant to have scored goals against? Cos pretty much by definition 3/4 of the games he's been playing have been against sides that haven't qualified for a WC/EC. Or is it that players should intentionally save up their goals against shit teams so they can score them against better ones?

Yeah but it would be nice to see him whack one in against Liverpool again. It's been far too long.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OCD on March 31, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 11:36:38 AM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.

As a Basque it may be that Unai genuinely doesn't care a toss for Spain, or indeed anyone a bit Spainy like the 'Spainish'
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 12:25:47 PM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.

As a Basque it may be that Unai genuinely doesn't care a toss for Spain, or indeed anyone a bit Spainy like the 'Spainish'

In regards to Tom Ross question in 12 minute of the presser.
When Emery responded with a clear and obvious nose touch and then declared "I like him," I believe I saw a sign that was very intriguing and obvious to my trained eye.

I'm well versed in seeing things but for those who aren't familiar the gesture made is called the pinocchio effect.

I have more to say about Emery's hand gestures at the Villa news briefing on Unai Emery thread, including another clear and obvious sign to the trained eye. I also advise people to interpret between the lines of Emery's communication regarding his preference for mature players. That reveals a lot about some of the squads behavior.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 12:30:30 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 12:31:18 PM
I can think of a very appropriate hand gesture at this point in time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 12:32:15 PM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.

He didn't understand the question at first (the bragging rights thing) and got his assistant to explain it to him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 12:34:34 PM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.

As a Basque it may be that Unai genuinely doesn't care a toss for Spain, or indeed anyone a bit Spainy like the 'Spainish'

In regards to Tom Ross question in 12 minute of the presser.
When Emery responded with a clear and obvious nose touch and then declared "I like him," I believe I saw a sign that was very intriguing and obvious to my trained eye.

I'm well versed in seeing things but for those who aren't familiar the gesture made is called the pinocchio effect.

I have more to say about Emery's hand gestures at the Villa news briefing on Unai Emery thread, including another clear and obvious sign to the trained eye. I also advise people to interpret between the lines of Emery's communication regarding his preference for mature players. That reveals a lot about some of the squads behavior.


Have you ever spoken a foreign language in a work environment, Footy?

It is very challenging, especially when your level is that of UE's (which is not the highest). One of the things you find yourself doing is adopting other bits of body language, mostly because you are being put on the spot and asked difficult questions in a work environment.

It is totally different to the way people act and their little tics and movements when thinking so fast and on their feet and answering in another language, especially when languages do not come naturally to you.

You might also want to reflect on his mindset when speaking in English these days after the merciless pisstake he got over it when he was at Arsenal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on March 31, 2023, 12:37:17 PM
Footy mate, if you're so well versed in 'seeing things' how come you can't see the woods for the trees?  I'm intrigued.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on March 31, 2023, 12:37:47 PM
I can echo Paulie's points, it's exactly like that.

FV - you say you're well trained in 'seeing things', but might I ask, do you think maybe you're habituated to seeing things that might not be there? You mentioned a rather numerological approach to match predictions which struck me as a bit mystic and conspiratorial. It might be worth asking yourself the all-important question 'am I reading too much into this?' from time to time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 31, 2023, 12:40:11 PM
I can echo Paulie's points, it's exactly like that.

FV - you say you're well trained in 'seeing things', but might I ask, do you think maybe you're habituated to seeing things that might not be there? You mentioned a rather numerological approach to match predictions which struck me as a bit mystic and conspiratorial. It might be worth asking yourself the all-important question 'am I reading too much into this?' from time to time.

Or just do fewer hallucinogens.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 12:45:35 PM
I can echo Paulie's points, it's exactly like that.

FV - you say you're well trained in 'seeing things', but might I ask, do you think maybe you're habituated to seeing things that might not be there? You mentioned a rather numerological approach to match predictions which struck me as a bit mystic and conspiratorial. It might be worth asking yourself the all-important question 'am I reading too much into this?' from time to time.

Or just do fewer hallucinogens.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 12:53:57 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
I ask anyone to look it up.
And also anyone to watch clearly what occurs when Tom Ross asks a question on 12 mins. Then make up your minds now you know what a gesture called pinocchio effect is.

Apparently, a former USA president was also doing such with his hand to nose.

Anyway it was just an observation. If people don't want to pick up on those things then thats their preogrative.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on March 31, 2023, 12:59:35 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.

FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 01:13:06 PM
I've mentioned before how Emery is constantly fidgeting with his face when he's being interviewed. As Paulie says, this is clearly because he's still a bit uncomfortable speaking in English, and isn't the usual 'tells' you get when somebody is lying etc.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 01:19:49 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.

FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.

Apologies. Back to the subject of football.

Up The Villa!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 01:23:51 PM
I've mentioned before how Emery is constantly fidgeting with his face when he's being interviewed. As Paulie says, this is clearly because he's still a bit uncomfortable speaking in English, and isn't the usual 'tells' you get when somebody is lying etc.
Fair point Risso and Paulie previously. And Emery is expressive and a passionate man.
I take on entirely what Paulie says. And its very insightful in another way than my own insights.
Respect to you both in what has been said as I like to pay attention to you two as you're fair and (mostly) enjoy your musings and knowledge on football and all things.
So I've closed the case on body language. I have swayed too far from what this forum on h and v is about.

As we were.



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OCD on March 31, 2023, 01:27:29 PM
I can echo Paulie's points, it's exactly like that.

FV - you say you're well trained in 'seeing things', but might I ask, do you think maybe you're habituated to seeing things that might not be there? You mentioned a rather numerological approach to match predictions which struck me as a bit mystic and conspiratorial. It might be worth asking yourself the all-important question 'am I reading too much into this?' from time to time.

As well as 'how might I be coming across to the reader'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2023, 01:27:51 PM
Footy mate, if you're so well versed in 'seeing things' how come you can't see the woods for the trees?  I'm intrigued.

Uncalled for, referee! The minnows need support.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on March 31, 2023, 01:32:26 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.

FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.

Apologies. Back to the subject of football.

Up The Villa!

It's fair enough FV, it's not astrology, it has a basis in something real - it's just more complicated than it looks. E.g., as others have said, rubbing your nose as Emery's doing indicates discomfort, which in some situations (police interrogations perhaps) might mean you're hiding something. But that doesn't mean it's like that in every scenario.

Another classic is 'woman fiddling with her hair is into you'. Sometimes, maybe! But hardly always.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 01:33:27 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.

FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.

Precisely.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
I can echo Paulie's points, it's exactly like that.

FV - you say you're well trained in 'seeing things', but might I ask, do you think maybe you're habituated to seeing things that might not be there? You mentioned a rather numerological approach to match predictions which struck me as a bit mystic and conspiratorial. It might be worth asking yourself the all-important question 'am I reading too much into this?' from time to time.

As well as 'how might I be coming across to the reader'.
Well to Monty.
That's why I was wondering if others were of ritualistic mind or tendency at times.
My number imagery of 3 and 22 was a first regards football matters but not in free association and drawing. And I am going to be looking for signs regards 3 and 22 tomorrow. It actually to help me as I'm live at the game.

To OCD
And now that I've been made aware of it, I'd want to apologise for my thinking once more veering off the subject of football and the fact that you and others have to read what are essentially considered to be unrelated topics for football debate.

As we were.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 01:36:34 PM
I am constantly touching parts of my face.

Namely the inside of my nose with my preferred picking finger.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on March 31, 2023, 01:41:59 PM
I'm frequently stroking my chin at some stuff on here. Chinny reckon.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
I am constantly touching parts of my face.

Namely the inside of my nose with my preferred picking finger.

Well from that information I can glean that you think Robin Olsen is shit
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 31, 2023, 01:46:41 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
I ask anyone to look it up.
And also anyone to watch clearly what occurs when Tom Ross asks a question on 12 mins. Then make up your minds now you know what a gesture called pinocchio effect is.

I take it you watched with the sound off as like me I struggle to understand what Emery is saying, even with what I believe is a more than decent trained ear, I prefer to use the subtitles. If you had seen the interview you would have heard him wax lyrical about SJM and how since the first day he's been fantastic, hard working, takes on instruction and is now reaching such high levels Emery feels confident he can move SJM around if necessary. That's an unlimited sign of trust.

So yeah, LeeB's call is spot on (for once). Must try harder.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 01:54:07 PM
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 01:54:28 PM
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Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2023, 02:02:57 PM

Another classic is 'woman fiddling with her hair is into you'. Sometimes, maybe! But hardly always.

As espoused by former Brummie, Mike Skinner, in his "imperial phase".

"I saw this thing on ITV the other week
It said, that if she plays with her hair she's probably keen
She's playing with her hair regularly
So I reckon I could well be in"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 02:12:20 PM
I've just watched the press conference, and the only thing Emery did when talking about McGinn was to rub the side of his head with his fingers. Which is something he does almost the entire time he's speaking in English, so if he was lying about his true feelings about McGinn, then he's lied about every single thing he's ever said since he came through the door. I don't think Emery's a liar, personally.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 02:18:13 PM
I've just watched the press conference, and the only thing Emery did when talking about McGinn was to rub the side of his head with his fingers. Which is something he does almost the entire time he's speaking in English, so if he was lying about his true feelings about McGinn, then he's lied about every single thing he's ever said since he came through the door. I don't think Emery's a liar, personally.
Must we.
Look he touched his nose immediately after Tom Ross question on how's it been with John McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2023, 02:22:15 PM
Maybe his nose was itching?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 02:26:07 PM
I hope he doesn't suffer from hayfever.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: coreyfeldman on March 31, 2023, 02:44:53 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.

FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.

Apologies. Back to the subject of football.

Up The Villa!

Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 02:45:54 PM

Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?

There's a few of them, so it could be a variety of things.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 31, 2023, 02:52:05 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.

FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.

Apologies. Back to the subject of football.

Up The Villa!

Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?


If he told you,  he would then have to kill you
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 31, 2023, 03:09:04 PM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.

As a Basque it may be that Unai genuinely doesn't care a toss for Spain, or indeed anyone a bit Spainy like the 'Spainish'

In regards to Tom Ross question in 12 minute of the presser.
When Emery responded with a clear and obvious nose touch and then declared "I like him," I believe I saw a sign that was very intriguing and obvious to my trained eye.

I'm well versed in seeing things but for those who aren't familiar the gesture made is called the pinocchio effect.

I have more to say about Emery's hand gestures at the Villa news briefing on Unai Emery thread, including another clear and obvious sign to the trained eye. I also advise people to interpret between the lines of Emery's communication regarding his preference for mature players. That reveals a lot about some of the squads behavior.


You really do spout some absolute bollocks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 31, 2023, 03:14:56 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.

FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.

Apologies. Back to the subject of football.

Up The Villa!

Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?

Trolling?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on March 31, 2023, 03:17:35 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
I ask anyone to look it up.
And also anyone to watch clearly what occurs when Tom Ross asks a question on 12 mins. Then make up your minds now you know what a gesture called pinocchio effect is.

Apparently, a former USA president was also doing such with his hand to nose.

Anyway it was just an observation. If people don't want to pick up on those things then thats their preogrative.

Yes it is and I’ll not bother thanks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 31, 2023, 03:19:26 PM
I hope he doesn't suffer from hayfever.

Steve Martin in Roxanne comes to mind.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 31, 2023, 05:49:20 PM
I've just watched the press conference, and the only thing Emery did when talking about McGinn was to rub the side of his head with his fingers. Which is something he does almost the entire time he's speaking in English, so if he was lying about his true feelings about McGinn, then he's lied about every single thing he's ever said since he came through the door. I don't think Emery's a liar, personally.

El Maestro Mentiroso
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on March 31, 2023, 06:16:42 PM
Footy, in the hope that it helps you, most things that body language 'experts' claim are signs of lying are actually related to stress.

In a situation where people are looking to catch you in a lie then lying or omitting the truth is stressful and hence this belief is created but it's a misleading correlation at best.

There are many other situations where you can feel under stress whilst talking and the same behaviours show up there.

For example: talking in a foreign language, discussing a topic that you're uncomfortable about, remembering something tangentially related that you need to do, being distracted by something completely unrelated, either as a memory or in your eyeline, etc. All of them, and many more, result in the same nose touch, fingers around your mouth, rubbing ears, etc behaviours and happen at least as often as lying (and probably far more so).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Beard82 on March 31, 2023, 06:18:07 PM
I've just watched the press conference, and the only thing Emery did when talking about McGinn was to rub the side of his head with his fingers. Which is something he does almost the entire time he's speaking in English, so if he was lying about his true feelings about McGinn, then he's lied about every single thing he's ever said since he came through the door. I don't think Emery's a liar, personally.
El Maestro Mentiroso
Thats some niche Only Fans content
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on March 31, 2023, 06:18:55 PM
Utter, utter horseshit

Is that your professional analysis of what Footy is trained in?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 31, 2023, 06:20:42 PM

Another classic is 'woman fiddling with her hair is into you'. Sometimes, maybe! But hardly always.

As espoused by former Brummie, Mike Skinner, in his "imperial phase".

"I saw this thing on ITV the other week
It said, that if she plays with her hair she's probably keen
She's playing with her hair regularly
So I reckon I could well be in"

Brilliant album, think I’ll listen to that tonight. Thanks Eamonn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2023, 06:27:22 PM
Blinded By The Lights still has it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 31, 2023, 06:46:50 PM
Blinded By The Lights still has it.

Love the concept of the album as a whole, it’s like listening to a film.

Simone, what a bitch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: FatSam on March 31, 2023, 11:55:56 PM
Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?
In the house.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: WassallVillain on April 01, 2023, 12:37:34 AM
Utter, utter horseshit
How so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.

FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.

Apologies. Back to the subject of football.

Up The Villa!

Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?

Earlier this week is was equine stuff he’s a good alrounder is footy v. Very entertaining.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 01, 2023, 01:10:21 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 01, 2023, 01:29:19 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 01, 2023, 02:05:47 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.

I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on April 01, 2023, 02:11:22 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.

I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"

Is it Gabriel Byrne? 😉
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 01, 2023, 02:21:26 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.

I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"

Is it Gabriel Byrne? 😉

Ssshhh! You know... is he any good? As an actor? I feel like I've barely seen him in anything. Maybe I just look in the wrong places. I vaguely recall him as the devil in the something.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 01, 2023, 02:40:20 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.

In China it was called "He's A Ghost".
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on April 01, 2023, 03:14:49 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.

I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"

Is it Gabriel Byrne? 😉

Ssshhh! You know... is he any good? As an actor? I feel like I've barely seen him in anything. Maybe I just look in the wrong places. I vaguely recall him as the devil in the something.

Haha, End of Days, Schwarzenegger film. He was unfairly nominated for a Razzie.

Personally, I think he has a good screen presence, but he's a bit limited compared to some of the countrymen of his generation, like Brendan Gleeson or Ciarán Hinds.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 01, 2023, 03:34:02 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.

I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"

He is annoying actually, but for reasons that are irrelevant on the football part of the site.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on April 01, 2023, 03:35:22 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.

I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"

He is annoying actually, but for reasons that are irrelevant on the football part of the site.

One of your Danny Dyer mates, Percy? 😉
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villan For Life on April 01, 2023, 08:31:21 AM
SJM interview from today’s Times

In a geography classroom at St Peter the Apostle High School back in 2010 a teenage John McGinn was presented with his first chance to write himself into Scottish football history. His teacher, Mr Ferrier, asked him to captain the school side for the Under-16 Shield the then 15-year-old did not think it was the cool thing to do so passed the responsibility to his friend Kieran.

It was only when they were crowned champions of the national tournament and it registered with McGinn that the winning captain had their name engraved on the trophy that he realised his mistake. “Some of Scotland’s best ever players are on there, and I turned it down. I regret it every day,” the Aston Villa midfielder says, smiling.

He was in a relaxed mood as he reflected on one of the best international breaks of his career; a goal against Cyprus and a historic 2-0 win against Spain. If he regretted missing that opportunity 13 years ago he has certainly made up for it
Their two wins put Scotland in good stead to qualify for next summer’s European Championship and McGinn hopes that it is the start of a new generation for the national side. With a number of big names on the Spain bench at Hampden Park on Tuesday there was a feeling in the home dressing room that Luis de la Fuente’s side had underestimated the steely Scots. “I don’t think they’d do that again,” McGinn says.

And then there were the post-match comments by the Manchester City midfielder Rodri, who accused them of playing “rubbish” football and time-wasting. But McGinn was not surprised or offended by the words from his Premier League counterpart.

“I think there needs to be a bit of realism, Scotland aren’t a team that can go toe-to-toe in a game that will suit Spain for 90 minutes because we would come out on the losing end. We have to find every single marginal gain that we can get,” he explains. “Whether that’s taking 30 seconds instead of ten for a throw-in, sometimes you need a breather. If any of the Spanish players tried playing right wing in that team the other night . . . I needed a breather. So I was shouting back to Angus [Gunn], ‘Take your time.’ If there’s anyone that was encouraging the time-wasting it was me.”

The 28-year-old has it down as one of his best moments in a Scotland shirt and it is a standout moment in a season that has been a learning curve. Thirteen years after turning down Mr Ferrier’s request to be captain of his school team, McGinn did not need to think twice when the same question was asked of him by Steven Gerrard. It was a big call by the former Aston Villa manager, who had decided that he wanted the midfielder as his captain instead of Tyrone Mings, the leader when Gerrard took charge.

“It was an amazing feeling having someone who’s achieved so much in the game telling you what they think of you. I was buzzing and proud to be a captain of a club this size,” McGinn says.

But unfortunately for McGinn, gaining the armband coincided with a drop in form that led to widespread criticism and then, in the two games after Gerrard’s dismissal, he lost his place

“The biggest disappointment for me and the biggest disappointment I have in my time under Gerrard is that I didn’t lead with the way I played, it wasn’t my best football,” he says. “Sometimes when you’re not playing well you get targeted by people saying you’re not a captain or a leader and you take it with a pinch of salt. But I certainly do have a bit of regret after the manager put a lot of faith in me and it wasn’t through a lack of effort or trying but I didn’t perform my best under him.”

While he was not bothered about the world of social media questioning his capabilities to lead the team he was disappointed that that filtered into some staff at the club. After Gerrard was sacked, McGinn was dropped for the next two games and cites it as one of the most difficult points in his career.

“It was my toughest few weeks as a player,” he says. “There was a lot of noise when the manager changed with people saying that I wasn’t good enough for Villa. A lot was said and I was disappointed at the time after the amount I’ve contributed while I’ve been here. There were people who had been here a long, long time that got sucked into thinking that I wasn’t good enough and that I was the issue.”

But under Unai Emery, and with the departure of some long-standing staff, the midfielder has found a new lease of life. He credited the Spaniard for making his own assessments and not listening to outside influences and he is thriving under his new manager.

McGinn has established himself as one of Emery’s most reliable players as they have navigated their way away from the congested relegation battle

“He and his staff judged with their own eyes which was so refreshing,” McGinn says. “I managed to just keep training and playing and bring my qualities to the team and thankfully so far I’ve been back in the team and in my best form that I’ve been in a while. It’s been refreshing to have that and obviously I’m glad to know that I’m not the problem after all.”

Far from being a problem, McGinn has established himself as one of Emery’s most reliable players as they have navigated their way away from the congested relegation battle to mid-table security.

Being coached by Emery has been a different experience for McGinn, who had previously only ever been managed by British former professionals. While he was not critical of any of his previous managers he did explain how the Spaniard brings a different perspective and more meticulous level of detail, which has taken the players some time to adapt to. And McGinn explained how he nearly had to get used to playing a totally new role in the team after Emery told him he could see him leading the line in Villa’s attack.

“When the manager came in he spoke to me about a few different positions he thought I could play, and one of them was upfront believe it or not,” he says. “I would have done it, I’d have been happy with that. My first game under him I came on up front against Manchester United, which is something I’ll be able to tell the grandkids. I think I lasted five minutes and then I got shifted to the wing.

“He asked me what my preferred position was and I’d spent a few weeks on the bench and I just said, ‘Not on the bench.’ I don’t think he could take me seriously.”

The squad knew from Emery’s first day on the job that things were going to be different under their new manager but it was not until McGinn was on the coach on the way back from their 2-0 win against Tottenham Hotspur on New Year’s Day that the penny dropped that they could be on to something really good.

“At half-time he came in and said he was delighted with the performance and we all sat wondering what was going on because we felt like we had been battered a bit. But he had planned the game to a tee and it was going exactly how he predicted,” McGinn says. “Then we went out and won 2-0 in the second half and I thought it was a bit mental.”

That was, for McGinn, the first of a number of moments under Emery that has made them believe they are at the beginning of an exciting journey. There is a renewed sense of optimism around the club’s Bodymoor Heath training ground and there are whisperings of European football as the team prepare for their final 11 games of the campaign.

“The owners have got massive ambitions. It has maybe taken a little bit longer than what we imagined but they want this team to be back in Europe consistently and not stop there,” he says. “There’s times when you’ve thought, is this going to happen? But with the manager coming in with his CV of European football there we’re starting to see signs that it could be possible and I’m sure he’s not going to stop until we get there.”

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on April 01, 2023, 09:15:09 AM
Anybody quoting this in full is a div.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2023, 09:16:25 AM
this

Sorry mate :(
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Baldy on April 01, 2023, 09:17:24 AM
Thanks Villan For Life, a fantastic read and a great insight into our manager and SJM himself.

We go on a lot about 5 subs, 9 subs and 2 goalies on the bench etc but I honestly believe having a master technician in charge is tantamount to having 15 substitutes on the bench.

Based on their attributes, Unai has more than one role in mind for most of our players and is quite happy to 'tweak' things on the field instead of always resorting to the bench. Going into precise detail about the oppositions strengths/weaknesses and thorough knowledge of our own players attributes is nectar to a Grand Master.

Unai knows 'there is more than one way to peel a potato'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on April 01, 2023, 09:31:33 AM
Ha! Rodri accused them of playing 'rubbish' football, did he? Has anyone accused Spain of 'losing'?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithe on April 01, 2023, 09:51:48 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.

In China it was called "He's A Ghost".

I remember reading that the Chinese Government has a ‘Ministry of Certain Things’ which I thought was pretty handy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Nev on April 01, 2023, 10:01:43 AM
I thought it wasn't great against Spurs in the first half as well. It is about confidence and belief for both the players and the fans, that much is now obvious.

What is also obvious from that interview is that there is a chasm between the likes of Gerrard and Emery, the latter is a coach, the former an ex player almost "having a go at it". Perhaps this is why the likes of him and Lampard will never be successful?



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on April 01, 2023, 10:07:47 AM
SJM obviously spends a bit of time on H&V!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 01, 2023, 10:08:48 AM
I thought it wasn't great against Spurs in the first half as well. It is about confidence and belief for both the players and the fans, that much is now obvious.

What is also obvious from that interview is that there is a chasm between the likes of Gerrard and Emery, the latter is a coach, the former an ex player almost "having a go at it". Perhaps this is why the likes of him and Lampard will never be successful?
That’s right, Emery is a coach first and is focussed on every aspect of the game as opposed to those that think it’s all about media stuff, swanning about , turning up to training occasionally and picking the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: olaftab on April 01, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
this

Sorry mate :(
It's no good apologise now after totally ignoring what Sir had said. Detention slip will be issued, shortly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 01, 2023, 10:31:11 AM
Thanks Villan for Life, really enjoyed that read. Having McGinns insights, especially after Spurs away, makes me even more excited for the future under Emery.
I wonder who had been at the club a long time who had written him off?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villan For Life on April 01, 2023, 10:41:53 AM

I wonder who had been at the club a long time who had written him off?

Presumably someone who has left since Emery came in?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 01, 2023, 10:56:30 AM
Danks?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 01, 2023, 10:57:01 AM
Not Cutts?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 01, 2023, 11:17:00 AM
From the bloke that plays for a side that specialises in tactical and rotational fouls

Quote
Spain captain Rodri criticised Scotland's "rubbish" approach to football after his team were on the end of a Hampden defeat in the Euro 2024 qualifiers.

The Manchester City player accused Scotland of time-wasting and provocation after Manchester United midfielder Scott McTominay hit a double to earn Scotland a 2-0 victory and a first win over Spain in 39 years.

Spain had not been beaten in Euro qualifying since 2014, when they were beaten 2-1 by Slovakia ahead of the 2016 tournament in France.

They had won 34 of their last 38 European qualifying matches, with three draws, but at Hampden Park they looked unsettled.

Rodri skippered a side featuring eight changes from their previous game, and he criticised the way Scotland went about their work.

"We did many good things to win," he said on Viaplay. "We conceded easy goals - this is football, if you concede easy goals you are penalised.

"It's the way they play, but for me it's rubbish, always wasting time, provoking you, always they fall. For me, this is not football. The referee has to take on this, but he says nothing.

"We will learn for the next time. We want to go for duels, for battles - we always fight, but this is not about fighting. It's about wasting time - four, five players on the floor, but this depends on the referee, not on us.

"Today we did many good things, but what's important is the goal, and we didn't score."

David Garcia, who was making his Spain debut, also blamed the results on the length of the pitch at Hampden.

He told Marca: "We already saw that the grass was too long, and that cost us. We can't make excuses for that, we have to look at ourselves and fix what we did wrong today."

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 01, 2023, 11:36:53 AM
Not Cutts?

He did say someone who’s been there a long long time??
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on April 01, 2023, 12:29:49 PM
That’s a shit load of excuses. Nearly as bad as Manchester Utd and their grey kit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2023, 01:40:11 PM
I thought it wasn't great against Spurs in the first half as well. It is about confidence and belief for both the players and the fans, that much is now obvious.

What is also obvious from that interview is that there is a chasm between the likes of Gerrard and Emery, the latter is a coach, the former an ex player almost "having a go at it". Perhaps this is why the likes of him and Lampard will never be successful?

That’s a great observation. No one mentions Gerrard (lampard) the coach whereas that’s what they should be judged on, it is their current careers.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 01, 2023, 02:12:08 PM
McGinn has now survived and played regularly under four managers.  He’s obviously highly thought of.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OCD on April 01, 2023, 03:20:09 PM
For Rodri (click the 'Watch on YouTube link) -

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on April 01, 2023, 03:37:42 PM
Some interesting quotes from McGinn in that. I wonder who he is referring to when he mentions long-term people at the club questioning his quality.

Also, a bit surprised and disappointed that he feels so sensitive about people questioning his worth to the Villa. He had been out of form for a long time and in fairness he seems to acknowledge that but his ultimate conclusion is that the scrutiny and criticism wasn't warranted.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2023, 03:47:02 PM
Some interesting quotes from McGinn in that. I wonder who he is referring to when he mentions long-term people at the club questioning his quality.

Also, a bit surprised and disappointed that he feels so sensitive about people questioning his worth to the Villa. He had been out of form for a long time and in fairness he seems to acknowledge that but his ultimate conclusion is that the scrutiny and criticism wasn't warranted.

Yep, not a fan of players mouthing off to be honest, he should button it and just get on with playing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: KevinGage on April 01, 2023, 05:07:40 PM
Danks, Cutler, Lange or (possibly) Purslow, if he counts as a member of staff.

McGinn is a spiky character, it's a positive if he used those sort of doubts as fuel for the fire. Rather than sulking and pushing for a move.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 01, 2023, 06:41:19 PM
Another foul you mean edited wrong thread
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 01, 2023, 07:24:23 PM
Absolutely awesome performance
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 01, 2023, 07:26:58 PM
Whether you're keen on him or not, that was some performance from Super John McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smirker on April 01, 2023, 07:27:56 PM
Well done Wee John  8)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on April 01, 2023, 07:39:30 PM
Whether you're keen on him or not, that was some performance from Super John McGinn.

In this form and with this manager I very much doubt anyone is not keen on him. In fact most that had doubted him, myself included, were probably gutted to do so. It’s so good to have him back to this level.

What a player!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on April 01, 2023, 07:44:40 PM
Whether you're keen on him or not, that was some performance from Super John McGinn.

In this form and with this manager I very much doubt anyone is not keen on him. In fact most that had doubted him, myself included, were probably gutted to do so. It’s so good to have him back to this level.

What a player!

Although there was question marks over the opposition, you could see the way he carried Scotland forward that he was still a player. Previous management of lets try forcing Luiz and McGinn to play "this way" and hope they gel does seem to be a major problem. (even under Smith).

I actually think Emery could have got Lampard and Gerrard playing well in the same team he seems that good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2023, 07:48:58 PM
He admitted himself on Sky that his form was rubbish earlier in the season. Now he’s back to his best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on April 01, 2023, 07:52:17 PM
He was brilliant tonight and has played well for a good number of weeks.  Great goal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Paul.S on April 01, 2023, 07:54:36 PM
If there’s such thing as a Captain’s performance then that was it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on April 01, 2023, 08:04:46 PM
What a way to end a barren run. Absolute beauty of a goal. Maybe it was worth waiting for...

He also seems to retain respect from opposition players who are wary of engaging him physically. That run of his, head ducked is almost as innovative as his arse shuffle. It completely bamboozled opponents and usually means he can drive us up the field with the ball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Baldy on April 01, 2023, 08:09:47 PM
Our SJM is back and in style.

Sir Alex was right with his 50 million valuation.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on April 01, 2023, 08:26:15 PM
Delighted for SJM, a Villa legend!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on April 01, 2023, 09:00:30 PM
To many previous posters , I trust the humble pie is going down well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Nev on April 01, 2023, 09:03:12 PM
He has never changed as a player since the day he joined. He just needs a good gaffer.

And he was far too generous to the previous manager tonight.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: rougegorge on April 01, 2023, 09:23:32 PM
Maybe he just needed a good manager to get him going again. He has improved significantly and took his goal really well, although Mudryk jumping out of the way instead of blocking, was a welcome help. 🙂
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 01, 2023, 09:34:30 PM
To many previous posters , I trust the humble pie is going down well.


I was due a small slice. It is, and it's delicious.

And I have to disagree that he's back to his best: I think he's playing at a level above anything he's shown us before. For weeks if not months now he's been one of the best players in the division.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: tomd2103 on April 01, 2023, 10:40:41 PM
He's been really good since coming back into the side.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 02, 2023, 12:29:48 AM
Yes, I thought he was done. He's proved me wrong, joining the back of a very long queue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2023, 12:36:36 AM
I'll agree too, I was wrong.

A proper manager is now getting the best out of him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: TonyD on April 02, 2023, 12:43:37 AM
He admitted himself on Sky that his form was rubbish earlier in the season. Now he’s back to his best.
Did you notice Ollie’s body language when McGinn talked about Gerrard.
Very telling.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on April 02, 2023, 12:54:09 AM
He admitted himself on Sky that his form was rubbish earlier in the season. Now he’s back to his best.
Did you notice Ollie’s body language when McGinn talked about Gerrard.
Very telling.

Deffo innit.

Stroked his right gonad while rasing the left eyebrow. As Lady Gaga pointed out in her seminal song "Poker Face", this is a clear tell denoting a Full Flush, whatever that is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Matt C on April 02, 2023, 02:42:47 AM
Beautiful strike and another great all round performance. He’s had a very fine week.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on April 02, 2023, 08:52:23 AM
I said a while back when he was going though his slump that we'd get £20m for him if we sold him which got laughed at by some. We'd get more than that now. Cracking player who has never hid. Well done Meatball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2023, 10:25:31 AM
It was great to see the return of his terrible Mr Magoo, I'm coming for you, goal-celebration.

I also like that he actually shows some of his personality in his interviews, unlike most players. You can only media-train those with Gaelic blood, so much, after all. The bit in bold at the end, is telling:

Quote

“It’s been a long time coming,” he said.

“It’s obviously been bothering me a wee bit and it was in the back of my mind after I scored with Scotland after 19 minutes. I was thinking ‘ah, typical’.

“So, I just thought I’d keep my head down, the amount of times I’ve had shots blocked from the edge of the box trying to lace it.

“I’ve just given it the side-foot, got enough power and thankfully it’s gone in the back of the net, so I’m delighted.”

“It’s a tough place to come,” he said.

“Since I’ve been here (at Villa), we’ve not won here, but we’ve always played pretty well. So, we were due one.

“We probably didn’t play as well as we can in the first half, but we scored a great goal, and could have scored a couple of others.

We’re running hard, we’re working hard, we’re sticking together as a team. And even in those bad moments, you don’t really feel anyone is going to let you down. And that’s an amazing feeling.

“We’re on a brilliant run and you just never know what can happen.”

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Nev on April 03, 2023, 10:29:44 AM
I turned the page on my Villa calingder on Satruday morning to find SJM the poster boy for April and hoped.

He was already having a great game so when he scored I ran down the living room and almost threw myself through the window.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 03, 2023, 10:44:21 AM
I said a while back when he was going though his slump that we'd get £20m for him if we sold him which got laughed at by some. We'd get more than that now. Cracking player who has never hid. Well done Meatball.

I mentioned this on the 2022 transfer thread.  Emery might yet decide McGinn is not in his long term plans but at least if he does we will be selling for near his ceiling price. If we’d signed someone else McGinn its likely he’d have stayed on the bench for the remainder of the season and we’d be selling for £20m max. 

That’s not me advocating selling him, just stressing another good thing about Emery. He’s sweating the existing assets rather than trying to buy a squad of players that suit his system (completely the opposite of Gerrard who suggested our players were too limited to understand his system).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: darren woolley on April 03, 2023, 11:47:34 AM
He was brilliant against Chelsea he's being playing really well since coming back from his injury.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on April 03, 2023, 11:56:38 AM
He has never changed as a player since the day he joined. He just needs a good gaffer.



I don't think this is true. For one thing he's obviously a lot leaner and fitter now. Even my missus who doesn't follow football much said when she saw him on the telly "God, McGinn's lost weight."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ez on April 03, 2023, 03:44:35 PM
Beautiful strike and another great all round performance. He’s had a very fine week.

The set piece coach is claiming that move 😉
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 03, 2023, 03:55:17 PM
I am still eating humble pie - and loving every minute of it

Add to my stance on SJM the fact i clearly thought Mings and Watkins were also ready to be binned

Could I of been any more wrong?  Selling Ings and giving Watkins the responsibility for leading our line has made him explode back into the form of his life.

Mings i am sure appreciates that UE will not be asking to "look him in the eyes" or any other bollocks - just coaching and moulding him into one of the best defenders in the league - even better by making Mouthgate look the mug he is for sticking with Slabhead and co
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 03, 2023, 08:36:36 PM
I am still eating humble pie - and loving every minute of it

Add to my stance on SJM the fact i clearly thought Mings and Watkins were also ready to be binned

Could I of been any more wrong?  Selling Ings and giving Watkins the responsibility for leading our line has made him explode back into the form of his life.

Mings i am sure appreciates that UE will not be asking to "look him in the eyes" or any other bollocks - just coaching and moulding him into one of the best defenders in the league - even better by making Mouthgate look the mug he is for sticking with Slabhead and co
that's what happened,knobhead hypnotized Mings
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 03, 2023, 10:49:42 PM
In one of his post-match interviews (I think the Pravda one) he described Watkins' goal as "Larssonesque" with a cheeky glint in his eye, knowing it would mean nothing to the interviewer. He was right.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 04, 2023, 12:12:39 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.

I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"

He is annoying actually, but for reasons that are irrelevant on the football part of the site.

One of your Danny Dyer mates, Percy? 😉

I don’t find my Danny Dyer mates annoying unless they’ve got dodgy politics. This one is not a DD, but he has got dodgy politics.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on April 04, 2023, 12:50:15 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.

I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.

I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"

He is annoying actually, but for reasons that are irrelevant on the football part of the site.

One of your Danny Dyer mates, Percy? 😉

I don’t find my Danny Dyer mates annoying unless they’ve got dodgy politics. This one is not a DD, but he has got dodgy politics.

Say no more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 04, 2023, 01:35:04 AM
In my defence I was moaning about Gerrard making him play in that insane position way before I started moaning about how crap he was at it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: algy on April 10, 2023, 09:05:27 AM
Interview in the Shropshire Star

https://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/2023/04/10/john-mcginn-aston-villa-must-be-almost-perfect-to-realise-european-dream/
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2023, 09:39:37 AM
John always dreamed of Shropshire
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2023, 09:58:42 AM
John always dreamed of Shropshire

He’s down at Bob Warman’s static caravan at Oswestry for the bank holiday. 

Knowing what Bob is like, he probably got McGinn to speak with an old mate at the Shropshire Star in return for letting him have the ‘van.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on April 10, 2023, 11:14:55 AM
Interview in the Shropshire Star

https://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/2023/04/10/john-mcginn-aston-villa-must-be-almost-perfect-to-realise-european-dream/
Does F-V know that McGinn's taken off to Shropshire?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on April 10, 2023, 11:29:41 AM
He's staying in my son's gaff while he's over here with us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on April 15, 2023, 06:10:58 PM
I just wanted to bump this up. He was fucking great today.



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on April 15, 2023, 06:12:17 PM
I just wanted to bump this up. He was fucking great today.


Absolutey immense. Gave Dan Burn a torrid time from the off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AV82EC on April 15, 2023, 06:13:51 PM
I think it was a tactical master stroke by Emery today to isolate McGinn on that absolute carthorse Burn. And John despite all the kicks, fouls and rough stuff stood up really well. Bravo sir.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 15, 2023, 09:56:46 PM
I just wanted to bump this up. He was fucking great today.


Absolutey immense. Gave Dan Burn a torrid time from the off.
Close to MOTM again today.
Love the way he is playing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Gareth on April 15, 2023, 10:04:46 PM
Couple of bits of top captaincy too…when Ramsey was clattered in first half he was heading off towards the dugout and McGinn gestered for him to go off the other side so he would rejoin the game in correct position & also when the 3rd goal went in rather than celebrate he haired over to Unai to let him that Ramsey needed to come off.

Seems so long ago that he looked lost under that idiot playing that stupid auxiliary full back role
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 15, 2023, 10:11:42 PM
He’s mirroring Emery in many ways now. At Leicester when all the players we’re celebrating with Traore, John was off to the dressing room. Even today, celebrate for a minute then off. Its business. I absolutely love him and he was my MoM today amongst all the great peformances.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OzVilla on April 15, 2023, 10:53:23 PM
The was a moment today when he was up against Burn in a foot race and although he’s half as tall you just knew he’d have the strength to hold Burn off, which he did and drew the foul. He was everywhere. Tremendous display.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2023, 11:52:29 PM
The challenge in the first minute after Ollie hit the post set the tone, he absolutely slammed Burn because the opportunity presented itself
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2023, 12:19:33 AM
The challenge in the first minute after Ollie hit the post set the tone, he absolutely slammed Burn because the opportunity presented itself

That was great. Went through him like a dose of salts.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on April 16, 2023, 12:35:42 AM
Some older posts on this thread make interesting reading 😬
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: darren woolley on April 17, 2023, 02:47:27 PM
I loved him slamming Burn brilliant SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 17, 2023, 02:50:15 PM
I think we would miss him more than just about any player right now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2023, 02:54:44 PM
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John McGinn hasn't wasted the opportunity to put Callum Wilson in his place after the Newcastle striker's " fire brigade" remark.

Wilson gave McGinn's Aston Villa plenty ammunition ahead of their meeting on Saturday, as he suggested the emergency services were need to put "the fire out". The comment was a reference to Newcastle's superb form under Eddie Howe this season.

Villa responded by thumping Newcastle 3-0 at home on Saturday to dent their Premier League top-four hopes. Not content with their resounding win, Scotland international McGinn has made a cheeky remark of his own to leave Wilson with his egg on his face.

McGinn was asked about Wilson's pre-match comment after Saturday's game during a chat with the Express & Star. He replied: "Actually, I didn’t notice that but like a lot of emergency services at the minute, the fire brigade must have been on strike."

Newcastle are enjoying a superb season under Eddie Howe. They are fourth in the Premier League table, three points ahead of Tottenham in fifth, and are now expected to beat the likes of Spurs and Liverpool to a Champions League qualification spot.

As such, Wilson was full of confidence heading into Saturday's game. "Looks like we're going to have to put the fire out," Wilson told the BBC's Footballer's Football Podcast - delivering his now regrettable line. "Someone call the fire brigade!"We've won the last five. On form it's a good fixture, they'll have extra motivation as we beat them [Villa] 4-0 at home. It's going to be a game where they want to get their own back in front of the fans. It's going to be a difficult match."

It proved to be exactly that, as a brace from Ollie Watkins helped Villa ease to victory. Unai Emery's side have now picked up 22 points from the last 24 available to jump up to sixth in the Premier League table - just six points behind Newcastle in fourth.

While it seems unlikely Villa will catch Newcastle, qualifying for Europe is now a possibility for the West Midlands club. McGinn is confident his team can get over the line.

The Scot added: "I said last week we need to be almost perfect to get European football. I think we would maybe need to be 100 per cent to get there [Champions League].

"As much as we are getting really excited, it is important we make sure the group does not get too carried away. As good as we feel at the moment, this game can bring you down like a ton of bricks.

"Brentford next week is a huge game for us. They are someone we have been chasing all season and now we have the opportunity to put them behind us. Once it is full-time there, we will see where we are."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Pat Mustard on April 17, 2023, 02:56:10 PM
The challenge in the first minute after Ollie hit the post set the tone, he absolutely slammed Burn because the opportunity presented itself

I said to a couple of mates after the game that McGinn had bullied Burn from the first minute - so much so I thought he might cry when Howe finally put him out of his misery and brought him off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 03:00:38 PM
I thought his performance was superb.  His strength to hold off Burn all day was something to behold.  He really is a lion heart and back to his absolute best. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 03:07:37 PM
The challenge in the first minute after Ollie hit the post set the tone, he absolutely slammed Burn because the opportunity presented itself

I said to a couple of mates after the game that McGinn had bullied Burn from the first minute - so much so I thought he might cry when Howe finally put him out of his misery and brought him off.

Dan Burn will have been questioning his own existence after Saturday
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 03:28:41 PM

Dan Burn will have been questioning his own existence after Saturday

He appeard to have a bit of a "Buendia" ie a mild strop at his manager as he was subbed. The huge fucking donkey.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: danno on April 17, 2023, 03:30:52 PM
I did laugh when Matt Targett came on, in a sort of what do you expect him to do? kind of way.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 17, 2023, 03:32:52 PM
I did laugh when Matt Targett came on, in a sort of what do you expect him to do? kind of way.


i was relieved when he came on and then felt bad for feeling ,  then ecstatic and then hungry 🤔
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Nev on April 17, 2023, 03:39:29 PM
I think he touched the ball once in that first half, and he touched our Captain constantly. I was incandescent with the ref for letting it go but in hindsight it made it worse for Burn. He was like a bouncer manhandling someone out of The Tuxedo Princess.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 03:52:41 PM
I think he touched the ball once in that first half, and he touched our Captain constantly. I was incandescent with the ref for letting it go but in hindsight it made it worse for Burn. He was like a bouncer manhandling someone out of The Tuxedo Princess.

It was like an octopus trying to wrestle a bear, but the bear is a bit bored and just getting on with his day despite the minor inconvenience.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on April 17, 2023, 04:10:15 PM
I think he touched the ball once in that first half, and he touched our Captain constantly. I was incandescent with the ref for letting it go but in hindsight it made it worse for Burn. He was like a bouncer manhandling someone out of The Tuxedo Princess.

It was like an octopus trying to wrestle a bear, but the bear is a bit bored and just getting on with his day despite the minor inconvenience.

It was a big fucking octopus. More like an 8 armed elephant.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 21, 2023, 05:51:30 PM
Actually brilliant from Callum Wilson responding to SJM’s comments after last weeks game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fhjs64
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rigadon on April 21, 2023, 06:05:05 PM
Actually brilliant from Callum Wilson responding to SJM’s comments after last weeks game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fhjs64

Yeah, fair play.  People say daft shit all the time at work don't they. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 21, 2023, 06:25:32 PM
Actually brilliant from Callum Wilson responding to SJM’s comments after last weeks game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fhjs64

90% of that podcast is someone laughing over everyone else / “bro” / “You know what I mean”.

Bring back that Joe Devine bell end and the droning on and on about XG. 

All is forgiven.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 21, 2023, 06:32:00 PM
Actually brilliant from Callum Wilson responding to SJM’s comments after last weeks game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fhjs64

90% of that podcast is someone laughing over everyone else / “bro” / “You know what I mean”.

Bring back that Joe Devine bell end and the droning on and on about XG. 

All is forgiven.

Oh believe me, I’m not listening to the 90%. It’s precisely as you’ve described it. I’d be fearing that useless, laughing like a twat wanker Micah Richards to jump onto my screen any minute.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on April 21, 2023, 06:46:23 PM
I thought it was nice to hear some warm conversation. As well as CW taking McGiniesta’s burn so well. They seem like nice chaps and not any less insightful than your average pundit. Different people talk differently, all good.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 21, 2023, 08:34:29 PM
Those is the relevant bit of the podcast.
https://twitter.com/5liveSport/status/1649402176815472642?t=UV-hxE44V0lxrmhM4o01wg&s=19
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OCD on April 21, 2023, 09:08:01 PM
He couldn't really do anything else other than pay him his dues.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2023, 12:28:06 AM
A mention for John McGinn's corners tonight. Looks like he's been practising with Luiz, because they were put into really dangerous areas just under the bar. Great stuff.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2023, 12:34:42 AM
He’s taken the captaincy with incredible seriousness. Looks in brilliant shape too. Playing his best football since coming to the club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on April 26, 2023, 12:55:52 AM
He named his "compatriot", Austin, afterwards in the interview and the work they've been doing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: not3bad on April 26, 2023, 12:59:30 AM
Another captain's performance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 26, 2023, 07:52:40 AM
MOM for me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Pat Mustard on April 26, 2023, 08:14:08 AM
A mention for John McGinn's corners tonight. Looks like he's been practising with Luiz, because they were put into really dangerous areas just under the bar. Great stuff.

Every one of our corners in the first half was delivered with real pace and intent, with no short corners or floaty nonsense - it was obvious that it was part of the game plan against Fulham.  I don't know whether that is just down to McPhee or the fact that Emery is more open to working on specific plans for specific teams, but they just seem to have cracked every opponent's weaknesses at the moment. 

I said after the first 2 or 3 corners that we would score off one eventually as it was such a clear part of what we had worked on this week, and just like pretty much everyone else before them Fulham could do absolutely nothing about it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2023, 11:24:52 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on April 26, 2023, 11:28:22 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.

I thought they were a particularly small side other than a couple of defenders.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2023, 11:29:48 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.

I thought they were a particularly small side other than a couple of defenders.

That centre half was huge, I think that's what I meant.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2023, 11:31:59 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.

I thought they were a particularly small side other than a couple of defenders.

That centre half was huge, I think that's what I meant.

We couldn't tell if they were a small side lining up at kick off or if it was just that their defender was a giant. He looked taller than Mings anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2023, 11:32:44 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.

I thought they were a particularly small side other than a couple of defenders.

That centre half was huge, I think that's what I meant.

We couldn't tell if they were a small side lining up at kick off or if it was just that their defender was a giant. He looked taller than Mings anyway.

He had pretty good control too to be fair.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on April 26, 2023, 11:38:04 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.

I thought they were a particularly small side other than a couple of defenders.

That centre half was huge, I think that's what I meant.

Yes he was, was but normally we look like a small group alongside opponents but it was the other way round last night.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 26, 2023, 11:48:06 AM
i thought their centre half looked good , who was he ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smithy on April 26, 2023, 12:42:55 PM
i thought their centre half looked good , who was he ?

Tosin? Another one from the Man City youth production line. Played a few cup games for them as a teenager, but then had a few loans and ended up at Fulham.  Still only 25, but been around for a while now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2023, 04:14:23 PM
He looked ok but he made one mistake that would bene bad in a sunday morning pub team let alone from a premier league player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 29, 2023, 10:11:31 PM
His passing wasn't too clever -he put it out twice without being under real pressure.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2023, 05:13:04 PM
Absolutely magnificent today. The slim, definitely not shit bastard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 13, 2023, 05:15:21 PM
Superb today. Motm.

Double points for knocking Kane down with his arse
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 13, 2023, 05:41:50 PM
MOTM for me, was all over the pitch. Got stuck in, wasn’t overly aggressive and played some lovely passes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2023, 06:01:00 PM
He is so canny as a player. I thought he used to deploy his arse-out and head-down running style to mask his technical deficiencies and gain a physical advantage but he is flourishing these last few months. Almost always plays the right pass and his off the ball work is second to none. Very proud to have him as our captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 13, 2023, 06:20:39 PM
Fantastic today. Playing like the championship McGinn in the PL.

When the babby had his name on his shirt at the start of the season I had to bite my lip - was going to say ‘he’s not gonna have a good season and I don’t think he’ll play much’. Marvellous under Unai’s tutelage.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 13, 2023, 06:32:05 PM
He's now dominating midfields in the manner he was in the championship run in.

Anyone got some Haggis humble Pie I can munch on?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 13, 2023, 06:33:11 PM
Indeed Percy. I can't remember him producing a performance as good as that. He's come on in leaps and bounds under Emery.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 06:36:28 PM
He has taken his game to another level. He has taken being captain to heart. You can see it in his fitness too. Lean and just looks very in tune with the role asked of him and his responsibilities.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2023, 06:57:56 PM
Ex supposed shit fat bastard was immense. He bossed that midfield at times.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 07:01:36 PM
Ex supposed shit fat bastard was immense. He bossed that midfield at times.

He's been like a man reborn since he came back from Dublin. Pleased for him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 13, 2023, 07:25:55 PM
Ex supposed shit fat bastard was immense. He bossed that midfield at times.

He's been like a man reborn since he came back from Dublin. Pleased for him.

Haha, spot on.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on May 13, 2023, 08:11:26 PM
It’s mad, I really thought last season he has reached a level which was good enough for this league but not enough to be a top level player. He’s certainly proved me wrong and I’m glad to admit it. Back in the division two I thought he was capable to be the best and at times under Smith I still believed, however I lost faith in him under Gerrard.

So happy for him and so happy he’s ours and not producing this form for another team elsewhere.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 13, 2023, 08:16:27 PM
Thought he was immense in the Chelsea game and played just as well today, especially first half.  What would gutless outfits like Spurs or Chelsea give for a player like that in the heart of their team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: manic-road on May 13, 2023, 08:21:56 PM
Brilliant today, the stand out player on the pitch today. First foul he did the ref booked him, shambolic officials today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Goldenballs on May 13, 2023, 08:24:39 PM
The ref was a piece of shit, but I think the crown going "oooohhhh" probably help his decision to book him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 13, 2023, 08:37:01 PM
As a main man in our promotion season I'm glad he's still here all these years later and thriving under Emery.  If I could pick one current player to score our winner in a cup final it would be him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 13, 2023, 08:43:13 PM
Captain's performance, lead by example. 'Super' doesn't do him enough credit, 'Superb' is more fitting but it does work with his song.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LukeJames on May 13, 2023, 08:43:38 PM
The amount of times he got the ball in a tight area and used his arse to get out of it was remarkable. I was shitting it every time but I'm not sure why has he hardly ever loses it in such situations.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 13, 2023, 09:35:02 PM
Playing that well in the middle... well he's mugged me off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 14, 2023, 10:43:13 AM
Captain's performance, lead by example. 'Super' doesn't do him enough credit, 'Superb' is more fitting but it does work with his song.

Lead by example - couldn’t agree more. A real captain’s performance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 14, 2023, 10:45:18 AM
Arguably our most important player at the moment his combative midfield play and use of the ball are driving us on, complemented superbly by Luiz.
SJM should be player of the season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on May 14, 2023, 01:33:11 PM
Good to see meatball back to being the same standard that he showed during our promotion season; one of the best midfielders on the pitch, despite the opposition.

If he, Tyrone, Luis & big Emi finish their careers with us, they will all be major trophy holders and Villa legends, as per the last league/European winning team where.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2023, 01:40:55 PM
He is back because he has been unshackled from the constraints the Scouse prick put on him.
The Scouse prick had him playing n a narrow corridor up and down the left side of midfield where he rarely ventured from.
He was shackled, stifled and nearly ruined,
He now has the freedom of the park, he covers every blade of grass, many times over and is back to his brilliant best.

His loss of form and impact was 100% down to the scouse prick and not because SJM isn’t good enough.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Flin5tone on May 14, 2023, 02:24:40 PM
Yesterday was possibly the best performance I have seen from him. Superb
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2023, 02:30:45 PM
There was a beautiful moment where he used his arse to lever one of theirs who then promptly just lost balance and went sprawling. I loved it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2023, 02:36:26 PM
The skipper

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1657740798035652611?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on May 14, 2023, 02:40:51 PM
Has really improved since Unai came in, as he was pretty rubbish for a good while before that under Gerrard and Smith

Pleased for him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2023, 02:43:25 PM
He was pretty rubbish mainly because of the shit former manager. But this is also the fittest we have seen him. He just seems a little possessed right now and taking the managers instructions and determination on to the pitch with him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 03:03:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwF6uLsX0AA4tAo?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OCD on May 14, 2023, 09:50:19 PM
He was excellent. I would like to see him add more goals to his game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:15:14 PM
McGinn did perform wonderfully against Spurs despite receiving a booking.
Recently, he finally realised what was going on and realised how to play his role in the team under Emery instructions

I worry about him because I think a lot better technical player who offers and scores more goals will replace him come the summer.
He might be reduced to the Henderson of Liverpool type and used from the bench or rotated in but not a first choicer.
Certainly he would be required and valued for the squad if Villa were to get the extra matches with European matches.
But as he's just not a goal-scoring midfielder he's going to be upgraded to one who is in my view.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on May 14, 2023, 11:19:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwF6uLsX0AA4tAo?format=jpg&name=small)

Every woman's dream.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2023, 11:22:00 PM
Every man's dream too the way he's playing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 15, 2023, 12:03:43 AM
Arse men... rejoice!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2023, 06:59:45 AM
McGinn did perform wonderfully against Spurs despite receiving a booking.
Recently, he finally realised what was going on and realised how to play his role in the team under Emery instructions

I worry about him because I think a lot better technical player who offers and scores more goals will replace him come the summer.
He might be reduced to the Henderson of Liverpool type and used from the bench or rotated in but not a first choicer.
Certainly he would be required and valued for the squad if Villa were to get the extra matches with European matches.
But as he's just not a goal-scoring midfielder he's going to be upgraded to one who is in my view.
Yes let’s replace him with Ayez Perez :-[ :o :-X
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on May 15, 2023, 09:02:51 AM
Hope to hear news of SJM signing a new contract in the next couple of weeks. A Villa legend.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on May 15, 2023, 09:22:28 AM
It was a fantastic performance on Saturday, absolutely superb.  Shame MOTD didn't highlight it but at least they let us know our high line will get found out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 09:25:41 AM
Emery has turned the idiosyncrasies in his game into superpowers and it's a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2023, 09:30:55 AM
There’s a reel on twitter of his highlights from Saturday. Sorry I don’t know how to link tweets.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on May 15, 2023, 09:37:16 AM
There’s a reel on twitter of his highlights from Saturday. Sorry I don’t know how to link tweets.
Just copying the address bar will do it

https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1657529761256685568
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 09:42:41 AM
1.08 of that clip is my favourite. I mean the rest is lovely but that was just pure fun in the sun.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2023, 09:43:06 AM
He makes Richarlison look spectacularly shit in that reel. Which of course, he is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 09:45:59 AM
He makes Richarlison look spectacularly shit in that reel. Which of course, he is.

Kane looks like a lumbering oaf too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 09:50:40 AM
He makes Richarlison look spectacularly shit in that reel. Which of course, he is.

I pulled that 'shape to pass wide then turn inside the player' a couple of times last night at football, was one of my old faves but McGinn inspired me to bring it out again and surprisingly it worked.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2023, 09:51:31 AM
I might try it tomorrow evening. I'm not expecting much success though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2023, 10:41:46 AM
There’s a reel on twitter of his highlights from Saturday. Sorry I don’t know how to link tweets.
Just copying the address bar will do it

https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1657529761256685568

I’m on the app on my phone, there doesn’t seem to be an address bar.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rigadon on May 15, 2023, 10:45:32 AM
I might try it tomorrow evening. I'm not expecting much success though.

You needed to do the written word equivalent of when footballers and staff speak behind a cupped hand there.  Your opponent will no doubt be waiting for the move now. 

That said, premier league footballers must know full well what SJM does with his arse by now,  and it doesn’t stop it from working. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on May 15, 2023, 10:59:14 AM
There’s a reel on twitter of his highlights from Saturday. Sorry I don’t know how to link tweets.
Just copying the address bar will do it

https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1657529761256685568

I’m on the app on my phone, there doesn’t seem to be an address bar.

In the App, you have serveral icons at the bottom of the tweet. One will have an UP arrow which is Share Tweet. Once clicked you have the option to copy link.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Somniloquism on May 15, 2023, 11:01:08 AM
The skipper

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1657740798035652611?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

The last section with the challenge where the player dove in with two feet and luckily missed. The ref did blow for it but did he give a yellow as that was totally uncontrolled?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on May 15, 2023, 11:13:53 AM
He's like Zidane but without the grace, elegance, and litres of sweat dripping off him. Lots of fart and no shit too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2023, 11:15:06 AM
He makes Richarlison look spectacularly shit in that reel. Which of course, he is.

Kane looks like a lumbering oaf too.

If you notice, after that Kane doesn't press him tight again, keeping his respectful distance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: darren woolley on May 15, 2023, 11:20:58 AM
He was immense against Spurs loved his performance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2023, 11:22:39 AM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1657740798035652611?s=46&t=vE9882PKpstmBpTh03qjlA

Sussed it, thanks.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 12:11:35 PM
He makes Richarlison look spectacularly shit in that reel. Which of course, he is.

Kane looks like a lumbering oaf too.

If you notice, after that Kane doesn't press him tight again, keeping his respectful distance.

Yep, just sort of goes within a couple of yards, and then jogs off the other way...
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 02:15:52 PM
McGinn did perform wonderfully against Spurs despite receiving a booking.
Recently, he finally realised what was going on and realised how to play his role in the team under Emery instructions

I worry about him because I think a lot better technical player who offers and scores more goals will replace him come the summer.
He might be reduced to the Henderson of Liverpool type and used from the bench or rotated in but not a first choicer.
Certainly he would be required and valued for the squad if Villa were to get the extra matches with European matches.
But as he's just not a goal-scoring midfielder he's going to be upgraded to one who is in my view.
Yes let’s replace him with Ayez Perez :-[ :o :-X
Perez is more an attacking player.
Wouldn't compare them but I know who I think would get more goals
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 15, 2023, 08:26:47 PM
There's a highlights reel of his performance from the weekend on the OS now, if you don't fancy twitter.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2023, 04:03:17 AM
John McGinn on Aston Villa European dream, Unai Emery's obsession & the manager's pull this summer. "We could probably sell out the ground twice over next week. It's a passionate club, a sleeping giant and hopefully next week we can start to wake up a wee bit."

Old Flinstone isn’t going to be happy reading this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 22, 2023, 06:33:25 AM
John McGinn on Aston Villa European dream, Unai Emery's obsession & the manager's pull this summer. "We could probably sell out the ground twice over next week. It's a passionate club, a sleeping giant and hopefully next week we can start to wake up a wee bit."

Old Flinstone isn’t going to be happy reading this.
But is it a sellout or are they just saying that?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 22, 2023, 08:29:27 AM
What drives me mad is rival fans saying we shut the Upper Trinity most of the championship years when every time it actually was open we filled it. Wasn't it more of a police thing rather than lack of interest?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AV82EC on May 22, 2023, 08:37:55 AM
What drives me mad is rival fans saying we shut the Upper Trinity most of the championship years when every time it actually was open we filled it. Wasn't it more of a police thing rather than lack of interest?

Lack of interest in the first 1 and a bit seasons.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2023, 08:42:38 AM
In that three years we had a higher average than Leeds in two out of the three seasons, and that's with them having the Emery-esque appointment, at that level anyway, of Bielsa
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 08:41:17 AM
Unai Emery keen to reward McGinn with an improved, long-term contract.

"McGinn, 28, has been back at the heart of the Villa team since Emery’s appointment in November. It has been a notable turnaround since the end of October when McGinn was left out of the side by caretaker manager Aaron Danks for the home fixture against Brentford.

Since Emery took over, the Scotland international has been played in his best position and back at his best levels of performance. He has two years left on his existing deal, the third he has signed since joining the club five years ago"

Source: ITK John Percy

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Matt C on May 28, 2023, 07:18:19 PM
Proper captain’s performance today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 08:22:02 PM
His turnaround has been remarkable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2023, 08:24:32 PM
He led from the front today, winning the ball back and throwing his body on the line.  The very last action in the corner summed up his attitude since Unai arrived, winning, determination.  He's now a very expensive player, not that I'd want to sell him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Keeno on May 28, 2023, 09:26:23 PM
Him and Mings are 21st century Villa icons. Championship to Europe. Undisputable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: KevinGage on May 29, 2023, 01:34:47 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/RjFTCvq/Lmm.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1zgG9vk)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 01:36:47 AM
He's definitely a lot slimmer now than he was pre Unai. Apart from his arse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on May 29, 2023, 01:58:17 AM
Him and Mings are 21st century Villa icons. Championship to Europe. Undisputable.

Absolutely. It's not just about pots and pans - these guys have been with us from pretty much our lowest ebb in half a century, they helped drag us back and will still be key players for us in Europe next year.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rory on May 29, 2023, 01:59:55 AM
In that three years we had a higher average than Leeds in two out of the three seasons, and that's with them having the Emery-esque appointment, at that level anyway, of Bielsa

To be fair, I think Leeds did have some black players during that time. That's bound to have affected their attendances.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: adrenachrome on May 29, 2023, 05:08:14 AM
Great player. He has done us proud this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on May 29, 2023, 07:22:42 AM
In that three years we had a higher average than Leeds in two out of the three seasons, and that's with them having the Emery-esque appointment, at that level anyway, of Bielsa

To be fair, I think Leeds did have some black players during that time. That's bound to have affected their attendances.
Snort!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on May 29, 2023, 08:17:06 AM
Leeds had one of the first black players I can recall as a first team regular back in the early sixties, Albert Johansson, a South African winger.  Sadly died in poverty I believe.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 08:35:08 AM
Him and Mings are 21st century Villa icons. Championship to Europe. Undisputable.

Just need to see them lift a trophy now…
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Richard E on May 29, 2023, 08:36:16 AM
In his interview with Pat Murphy on the radio last night he said that Villa shouldn’t really be celebrating 7th place because we should be higher. He gets this club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2023, 11:17:43 AM
It's worth celebrating with the context of where we were after 11 games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 11:25:16 AM
I get what he's saying, but if you can't enjoy/celebrate runs like the one we've been on, then there's really not much point.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 11:37:25 AM
I’m pleased with Europe, but that’s not what I’m celebrating.

I’m celebrating the end of 5 years of growth and improvement and the start of the next era. And I’m celebrating the fact that we now go into games we have to win and actually win.

7th and ECL is the least of what I want us to achieve, but it’s the next step on the ladder.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2023, 11:51:09 AM
Nicely put Dogtanian.  I agree.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2023, 11:53:06 AM
Conference League is nice, just ask West Ham and Fiorentina (and Roma!). But the thing to really celebrate is that it symbolises our return to contender status. We've finished above Spurs - and miles above Chelsea - to get there, we've won 18 games, and we just look like a real team. It's the best we've been since the O'Neill days and, with this manager and ownership structure, this time feels infinitely more sustainable, like the real thing. That's what we're celebrating really.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: KevinGage on May 29, 2023, 12:13:09 PM
In his interview with Pat Murphy on the radio last night he said that Villa shouldn’t really be celebrating 7th place because we should be higher. He gets this club.

100%
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on May 29, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Conference League is nice, just ask West Ham and Fiorentina (and Roma!). But the thing to really celebrate is that it symbolises our return to contender status. We've finished above Spurs - and miles above Chelsea - to get there, we've won 18 games, and we just look like a real team. It's the best we've been since the O'Neill days and, with this manager and ownership structure, this time feels infinitely more sustainable, like the real thing. That's what we're celebrating really.

Absolutely this, and for me also that we set out to achieve an unlikely target and actually did it. It feels like a cup win in that sense, and I think it will do wonders for belief going forward
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 12:56:29 PM
In his interview with Pat Murphy on the radio last night he said that Villa shouldn’t really be celebrating 7th place because we should be higher. He gets this club.

Next year I am going to agree with this. If we maintain our trajectory then Conference qualification will be something of a disappointment as we will have dropped into it from a CL or Europa position in the table.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 12:25:21 PM
“The club’s got no ceiling. There’s a long waiting list for Season Tickets and everyone wants to be a part of Aston Villa.” J. McGinn.

Anyone seen Wilma? Post-match thread perhaps? Have they read the latest article spewed out by the Pravda app?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on May 30, 2023, 12:59:55 PM
The quotes over the last couple of days or so by SJM are the words of a man with a winning mentality who now has the right coaching set-up behind him.  Hearing him speak of aiming higher than the European Conference as we are Aston Villa says it all for me.  He's driven.  I think most of us were pissed off when Gerrard took the captaincy from Tyrone and gave it to SJM but it doesn't look such a bad thing now.  Two captains.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2023, 01:47:21 PM
Just saw this, made me chuckle, from SJM

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When asked about Emery’s impact, he said: “Unbelievable. He’s a bit mad but he’s brilliant.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 30, 2023, 02:07:11 PM
Just saw this, made me chuckle, from SJM

Quote
When asked about Emery’s impact, he said: “Unbelievable. He’s a bit mad but he’s brilliant.

You could say the same about SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 30, 2023, 02:32:46 PM
“The club’s got no ceiling. There’s a long waiting list for Season Tickets and everyone wants to be a part of Aston Villa.” J. McGinn.

Anyone seen Wilma? Post-match thread perhaps? Have they read the latest article spewed out by the Pravda app?


obviously all that Guinness in Dublin
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 30, 2023, 03:38:23 PM
“The club’s got no ceiling. There’s a long waiting list for Season Tickets and everyone wants to be a part of Aston Villa.” J. McGinn.

Anyone seen Wilma? Post-match thread perhaps? Have they read the latest article spewed out by the Pravda app?
There's no waiting list for season tickets, it's all propaganda
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2023, 05:11:34 PM
John McGinn: Unai Emery has transformed Villa – now we want to gatecrash the top four

Exclusive interview: Villa captain is thriving under the Spanish manager and wishes he had experienced non-British coaching ideas sooner

By Jason Burt, CHIEF FOOTBALL CORRESPONDENT

John McGinn returned to Aston Villa’s training ground at Bodymoor Heath last week for one last time this season. He was there to collect his boots ahead of reporting for international duty with Scotland and popped in to say hello to head coach Unai Emery.

“He was watching back the Brighton game,” McGinn says. “That just shows you he is obsessed about football and improving us. He is dedicated to making us better.”

That 2-1 home victory over Brighton sealed Villa’s seventh-place finish in the Premier League and a return to European football for the first time in 13 years, qualifying for the Europa Conference League.

“Get your passports, see you in Europe,” a beaming McGinn declared on the Villa Park pitch afterwards amid exuberant scenes and it capped an extraordinary campaign for the club and for him personally. “It’s been a rollercoaster,” he says. “And now this is the highest I have ever been in football.”

The 28-year-old is in the form of his life – so much so that Villa want to extend his contract even though it has two years still to run. “My agent is good at dealing with this stuff,” he says. “It’s been quite a turnaround. If that had been mentioned in October or November it would have been laughed at.”

What McGinn says next would certainly have been laughed at. But not now. “The challenge is can we keep that consistency next season and why not challenge for top four?” he poses. “We are in that way – the structure, the belief. Everything has come together.”

It felt very different not so long ago. Last summer McGinn was made Villa captain by manager Steven Gerrard but the season started badly with just two wins in 12. A relegation battle loomed and it was worse for McGinn as he struggled for form. The harder he tried the worse it got.

“I was feeling guilty. He [Gerrard] had put so much faith in me and it was brilliant to learn from him as a midfield player,” McGinn says. A low point came in the 1-1 away draw with Nottingham Forest in October. He was substituted and there was, McGinn recalls, some “sarcastic cheering” from Villa supporters.

“The fans have been phenomenal with me but that cut deep. My dad didn’t go back to the away games for four or five weeks. I kept my head down and didn’t get too upset but it did hurt and my ego did take a bit of a dent,” he admits. “It’s then about proving those people wrong and thankfully I’ve managed to do that.”

Eleven days later Gerrard was sacked and McGinn was dropped by caretaker Aaron Danks. It looked like he was the fall guy. “That was the most challenging part of my career. It was slightly embarrassing, especially when the manager was sacked and it was the first thing that happened after that,” he says. “I wasn’t naive to think I was playing well. I was probably trying too hard to find the answers. The criticism the manager was getting, the criticism everyone was getting. I was trying my best to put it right.”

McGinn used the time out positively, he got “back to basics” but – emphatically – it was the arrival of Emery that changed everything. Rarely is a player as enthusiastic as McGinn is about the Spaniard. It is almost messianic.

“He has probably transformed me as a player; taken me to a level that I probably didn’t think I was capable of; made me adapt in so many ways I probably didn’t think I was capable of,” McGinn explains. “He is so intense, so passionate about football, so detailed. He just wants to improve every single player.”

McGinn gives two examples. The first is how Emery tasks two of his coaches – Antonio Rodríguez and Jaime Arias – to work individually with each player. So when McGinn was asked to play on the right wing he had already worked on “body shape” and where to position himself with Rodríguez.

Second he talks about Emery drilling into left-back Alex Moreno how good a team Bournemouth are and the threat they pose. In fact, McGinn says, Bournemouth were the side Villa spent most time analysing because Emery was fascinated “by their level”. Villa won 3-0 having been beaten 2-0 by Bournemouth on the opening day of the season.

“Tyrone [Mings] talks about it as well – he’s 30, I am 28 – and we regret not having a different style of coaching earlier,” McGinn explains. “We are used to British ex-pro managers who are all brought up the same way and this style, the Spanish way, is something I really enjoy.”

McGinn has had similar chats with his friend and former Villa team-mate Jack Grealish, who works under Pep Guardiola at Manchester City.

“The best thing for me is that he [Emery] judged with his own eyes,” McGinn says. “There was a lot of noise from outside – ‘he [McGinn] can’t lead, he can’t be the captain’. I am not a huge speaker. I feel I have a lot of respect in the dressing room but I am not going to be a Conor Coady or Jordan Henderson. I try and lead by the way that I play. The perception was pretty easy for me to see: because I wasn’t playing well, therefore I was not leading. Now I am playing well I am all of a sudden an OK captain. I feel that perception is normal but I have grown into the role and am enjoying the responsibility.”

Emery has taught McGinn another thing: that he has more time than he thinks.

“The Spanish have always had a lot more composure – certainly more composure than Scottish people,” McGinn says. “When you are a midfielder you don’t get a lot of time on the ball or you don’t think you do but you actually have more time.

“Putting your foot on the ball in midfield in Scotland is frowned upon but the manager came in and said, ‘Why not? You haven’t got an opponent anywhere near you, take your time, bring someone else in and create space for your team-mate’. That is something I have learnt and realised.

“It’s opened my eyes. Quite often before the Villa fans would have mumbled and grumbled but they are buying into it. There have been bumps along the way – Stevenage at home [FA Cup], Leicester at home [4-2 defeat] – when we have been punished for playing out from the back, but I think the fans are learning as well, the fans are seeing there’s a bigger picture here and that we are progressing as a team with a certain style.”

McGinn is even, for the first time, considering going into coaching when he eventually retires. “My understanding has gone through the roof under him [Emery],” he says. “I never thought I would dip my hand into coaching but he’s made me think a completely different way about the game. When someone is that obsessed with perfection and doing things right you can’t get away from learning. It’s been priceless and I can use that if I decide to go down the coaching route. I always thought you buy the best players and you win but he’s opened my eyes.”

For example, when McGinn was in Emery’s office they talked about the Brighton game. “I said to him, ‘It was a bit like a chess game’. Because their structure is so impressive we were both kind of cancelling each other out. It was like moving parts,” he says.

Unsurprisingly there is a huge amount of analysis and tactical planning. “The meetings can be long but it’s something new every week,” McGinn explains, and the “marginal gain” is in watching clips, “mentally being on it”, staying focused, “not sprinting around the pitch”.

McGinn adds: “Football intelligence goes a long way because now these managers are so intense and detailed. It’s just so interesting. People are finding a way to win because the margins are so fine and the standards are so high.”

He has also shown football intelligence in his adaptability. “The only positions I have not played are centre-back, right-back and goalkeeper. It’s a good thing,” McGinn says, while the exciting challenge for Villa next season is that they will “no longer be under the radar”.

Emery was under no illusion when he arrived that his remit was simply to avoid relegation. But that quickly changed. “We had staged ambition: keep the club in the league, then let’s try to get in the top 10 and then let’s see who we can catch,” McGinn says.

“But he also said, ‘I’ve managed in Europe for the last 14 years and this is the first season I have missed out on it and I don’t want to miss out’, so his personality is so driven to succeed that it has certainly rubbed off on the players. Now watching West Ham [in the Europa Conference League final] there is definitely a tinge of jealousy. Hopefully it can be us next season.”

For now McGinn is heading off to a training camp in Spain with Scotland before their European Championship qualifiers against Norway and Georgia. In a sign of their togetherness and determination to reach another major finals the players have elected to join up early rather than take a holiday.

“Last summer we had a big play-off game for the World Cup [against Ukraine] and we had a break before it but we should have kept training,” McGinn says. “The players and the staff came together and said, ‘Right, how do we improve if we are in this situation again?’ So we are going to Spain for a few days for training. We decided that. We have about 18 players going. It would be easy for us to be on a beach but we want to get Scotland back to another major tournament.”

It is all part of learning and improving even if there is, with McGinn, always a hint of being quite tough on himself.

“It’s just the way I have been brought up,” he says, laughing. “If you interview any player from the west of Scotland we are all the same. We are all quite hard on ourselves. If you get too carried away then you get slapped back down. I am always appreciative of what we are doing for a living.”

Positive results for Scotland would complete a hugely impressive campaign for McGinn. “The resilience I have shown this season is something I am quite proud of and thinking I am now through that means there is more to come,” he says. “I have certainly enjoyed the last three-quarters of this season and have probably played the best football of my career.

“It’s a club on the up but it means absolutely nothing if we don’t deliver on the pitch. The fans are demanding but they crave success, they crave European football. The manager is the same and he has been clear about it: compete in Europe, compete for trophies.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2023, 05:12:52 PM
Only a page or so late with that one TV.... :-)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2023, 05:16:14 PM
Only a page or so late with that one TV.... :-)

Oh am I? I didn’t see this article anywhere else and it’s got today’s date on it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 05:16:35 PM
Yeah but it's Ginny-centric so should be on this fred, er thread, anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2023, 05:22:20 PM
Oh right. I see it in the Unai thread now. Anyway, it’s in the right place now ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2023, 11:08:22 PM
Yeah, sorry, I'd got the wrong thread! Haha!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 05:06:44 PM

But it's good he has seen the light:
"The style, the Spanish way, is something I really enjoy.”
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on June 08, 2023, 05:16:06 PM

But it's good he has seen the light:
"The style, the Spanish way, is something I really enjoy.”


:D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 05:17:56 PM
"Football intelligence"
Thats what is good to hear.
Wins us games, takes us places.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2023, 07:49:02 PM
With Tielemans coming in is it worth occasionally using McGinn in his Scottish position, ie an alternative to Buendia?  I guess, swapping round during games might be the masterstroke - him and Ramsey taking it in turns to push forward.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Bad English on June 10, 2023, 07:50:35 PM
Send a mail to Unai! ;-)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 10, 2023, 09:54:35 PM
I am sure Unai has a very clear plan on how to play and who to play. He will not just hoover up players for the sake of it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 09:56:09 PM
We need to get used to our best players missing games due to rotation. Even the captain. McGinn’s energy needs to stay his high levels for the whole season so we will need to rest him from time to time
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2023, 09:07:49 AM
Signed four year contract
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 23, 2023, 09:09:28 AM
Signed four year contract

Great!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: frank black on June 23, 2023, 09:12:08 AM
He was so bad under Gerrard, I thought he’d be sold. Hes super again now. it’s amazing how much impact “your boss” can have on performance and morale.

Great news !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Dogtanian on June 23, 2023, 09:14:02 AM
Awesome news!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on June 23, 2023, 09:14:51 AM
Well deserved.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smithy on June 23, 2023, 09:16:55 AM
Fingers crossed there's no release clause that can be met by one of the money-bags clubs once he's led us to a trophy and into the Champions League this season!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 23, 2023, 09:20:45 AM
Fair play, great comeback from John, and brilliant management by Unai as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on June 23, 2023, 09:21:11 AM
Brilliant news, SJM is a Villa legend. Always thought he would thrive in the right position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dr.chekov on June 23, 2023, 09:25:48 AM
Great news.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 23, 2023, 09:36:30 AM
Good news. Gerrard was so close to ruining him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 23, 2023, 09:36:45 AM
Brilliant
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 23, 2023, 09:58:44 AM
Brilliant. Thought he’d be gone this summer 7 months ago.  A fabulous bounce back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2023, 10:09:39 AM
Signed four year contract

Great news, on his way to becoming a Villa legend especially if he lifts a trophy in the next year or two.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2023, 10:14:57 AM
Fingers crossed there's no release clause that can be met by one of the money-bags clubs once he's led us to a trophy and into the Champions League this season!


None of them would take him, they're too snobby and all they see is a big arse.
We know different, Unai certainly does. Meatball 4eva!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on June 23, 2023, 11:06:19 AM
A solid and brilliant quality midfield all on decent length contracts. Brilliant news.

He never quits, never stops, and with the right tactics and coaching he thrives.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ads on June 23, 2023, 11:08:52 AM
His form from January 2022 until January 2023 was miles off the pace. I considered his ball retention a huge issue and would have ultimately been satisfied with him going.

But like so many under Emery, his performances have just gone through the roof. He's a better player now and probably one the best value players of the last 20 years.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on June 23, 2023, 11:51:29 AM
Great post Ads, fully agree. Terrific player, totally gets the club and the fans too.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2023, 12:42:11 PM
His form from January 2022 until January 2023 was miles off the pace. I considered his ball retention a huge issue and would have ultimately been satisfied with him going.

But like so many under Emery, his performances have just gone through the roof. He's a better player now and probably one the best value players of the last 20 years.

Yep, agreed. Under Gerrard he was regularly posting pass completion stats of around 60%, that's just not good enough in the premier league as a midfielder. A big part of the problem was the he seemed to have been told that his job was to do what Luiz is now doing for us, and it just wasn't suited to his game at all. That was the biggest problem with Gerrard, he seemed to make all of our midfielders worse by not letting them play their natural game.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2023, 12:43:46 PM
To borrow from the mighty Parliament, he's the Rumpofsteelskin
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dave shelley on June 23, 2023, 01:04:16 PM
Great news.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on June 23, 2023, 01:12:12 PM
Before Emery came in I was starting to come to the melancholy conclusion that he'd gone as far as he could with us. As with so many, however, it turns out this was not actually his fault, that maybe having an actual coach helps bring out the best in players. His performance against Newcastle was the best performance I've ever seen from a player's arse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: usav on June 23, 2023, 01:50:37 PM
Put me on the list of "had written him off".  If we get the latter half of the season John McGinn, we have a hell of a player.

Also, is he the best pound for pound signing since Paul McGrath?  2.5m - an absolute steal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2023, 02:00:31 PM
Also, is he the best pound for pound signing since Paul McGrath?  2.5m - an absolute steal.

Can't think of many better if you exclude Barry. Mellberg for £5m might be in the conversation, but that was a decent fee back then.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 23, 2023, 02:01:53 PM
Signed four year contract

Great news, on his way to becoming a Villa legend especially if he lifts a trophy in the next year or two.
Everything I was going to say. Just love it when SJM is on it, heartbeat of the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 23, 2023, 02:35:17 PM
This had never occurred to me.
https://twitter.com/gazswain/status/1672161363030933504?t=SPpRJIfUpfst7AyDRDo_KA&s=19
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2023, 03:12:28 PM
Before Emery came in I was starting to come to the melancholy conclusion that he'd gone as far as he could with us. As with so many, however, it turns out this was not actually his fault, that maybe having an actual coach helps bring out the best in players. His performance against Newcastle was the best performance I've ever seen from a player's arse.

Agree with all that as well as poor in all these areas.
Fitness levels
Ball retention
Failed Hollywood passes
Playing RB when Cash went forward  - WTF was that all about?

As for the game against the Geordies, Dan Burn must still be having therapy - SJM Tortured him so much in that game he should of been sent off for bullying :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villa Lew on June 23, 2023, 04:23:56 PM
Great news, love the bloke, we've still got McGinn SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LukeJames on June 23, 2023, 04:37:27 PM
Nice one SJM!

What a job Emery has done here, as to think that just a few months ago alot of us would have been happy to see him and Dougie leave (I include myself in that).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2023, 04:42:19 PM
Great news. What a 12 months he’s had.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2023, 04:47:13 PM
Before Emery came in I was starting to come to the melancholy conclusion that he'd gone as far as he could with us. As with so many, however, it turns out this was not actually his fault, that maybe having an actual coach helps bring out the best in players. His performance against Newcastle was the best performance I've ever seen from a player's arse.

Agree with all that as well as poor in all these areas.
Fitness levels
Ball retention
Failed Hollywood passes
Playing RB when Cash went forward  - WTF was that all about?

As for the game against the Geordies, Dan Burn must still be having therapy - SJM Tortured him so much in that game he should of been sent off for bullying :)

I do think though the supposed lack of fitness and ball rentention you mention are also the product of poor management, lack of defined structure in the team means running when and where you shouldn't be and trying to make things happen because you're getting overrun by teams and players that have proper coaches.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rotterdam on June 23, 2023, 04:47:38 PM
Well done to all concerned, especially SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 23, 2023, 04:49:34 PM
Thought he would be one of them midfielders who would be running around a lot and stopping opposition players from imposing themselves, but what a fantastic improvement on the pitch, for Scotland twice he passed the ball which led to goals where before he would have belted at goal,apart from that he down to earth and honest and not up his big arse,the type of player the fans can take too
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2023, 05:05:17 PM
This had never occurred to me.
https://twitter.com/gazswain/status/1672161363030933504?t=SPpRJIfUpfst7AyDRDo_KA&s=19

Nor me, nice one.

As an aside, every time I see Gary Swain's name on Twitter I momentarily think that he was a full back on our European Cup winning team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Taylor on June 23, 2023, 05:31:17 PM
Chups.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dekko on June 23, 2023, 05:49:30 PM
Chups.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: darren woolley on June 24, 2023, 04:39:03 PM
I'm so pleased he's signed a new contract.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 28, 2023, 10:08:31 AM
Isn't it brilliant? I just knew decent coaching would give us our Meatball back!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Villa Lew on July 12, 2023, 10:20:46 PM
SJM was playing in The Scottish Open Pro Am today at North Berwick, looking at his swing, don't think he'll be taking golf up in a future career!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VillaTim on July 12, 2023, 10:29:07 PM
SJM was playing in The Scottish Open Pro Am today at North Berwick, looking at his swing, don't think he'll be taking golf up in a future career!
Good we need him in our midfield , can't have the LIV tour poaching him
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 07:27:57 AM
I believe that if Mings and Pau start  we can afford to play without Kamara and Luiz as double pivot in certain matches as Pau would be a kinda inverted full back that assists the midfield and control. So he can step into midfield, giving Tielemans the game start ahead of potentially Kamara and allowing Luiz , or Youri and McGinn to push forward. Of the midfielders, Luiz has been the most proficient as a scorer and goal threat since Emery took over but I believe we are all hoping for McGinn to add goals this season to continue his fantastic growth under Emery.

I very hopeful of captain McGinn being able to assist and score a lot more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2023, 08:40:47 AM
I believe that if Mings and Pau start  we can afford to play without Kamara and Luiz as double pivot in certain matches as Pau would be a kinda inverted full back that assists the midfield and control. So he can step into midfield, giving Tielemans the game start ahead of potentially Kamara and allowing Luiz , or Youri and McGinn to push forward. Of the midfielders, Luiz has been the most proficient as a scorer and goal threat since Emery took over but I believe we are all hoping for McGinn to add goals this season to continue his fantastic growth under Emery.

I very hopeful of captain McGinn being able to assist and score a lot more.
Pau Torres is unlikely to be the inverted fullback, though, is he? More likely it'll be Cash as the midfield-fullback; or Moreno, with Chambers or Konsa at right fullback.
However, your point is that with 3 centre backs when we are in possession the double pivot may not always need to be an option.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 08:43:39 AM
Cash seems like an advancing full back. Pau would be a kinda inverted full back of Emery style.
This then releases the hounds like McGinn and Doug to advance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2023, 08:47:47 AM
McGinn does need to add more goals to his game, but he’s not alone in that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 09:12:21 AM
I would be overjoyed if McGinn scored 8 goals in total across all competitions, but any number of 5 or more would be welcomed and celebrated! As he's never scored more than 3! And 3 out of 4 seasons Ginny has scored 3 goals.

 I'm considering it over the course of the lengthy season and amount of games he will likely play he'll get more than one!
Anything the same or less which is none! Well from his position and role in the team within reason is unacceptable.

It's expected he'll improve on his 1 goal showing of last season as that was his worse goal scoring season in the prem.



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Le Lapin on August 13, 2023, 11:29:59 AM
Was he even playing yesterday...... don't remember him being involved in much.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 13, 2023, 11:46:23 AM
Was he even playing yesterday...... don't remember him being involved in much.
I remember him being taken off. But that is about it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on August 13, 2023, 12:01:06 PM
Was he even playing yesterday...... don't remember him being involved in much.

He was shoved out on the left to cover for the loss of Buendia and it didn’t work.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: simboy on August 13, 2023, 12:06:21 PM
I wonder how much the loss of Mings affected him? It shouldn’t do as a professional but I think they’re quite close.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2023, 12:06:54 PM
It didn't work whatsoever, and I think it was apparent even before kick off that Emery had got the line up all wrong. Everything that made us play so well against them at Villa Park was missing, including McGinn getting at Dan Burn at left back. Instead we had the utterly anonymous Bailey, who's completely incapable of giving defenders a hard time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: simboy on August 13, 2023, 01:36:21 PM
It didn't work whatsoever, and I think it was apparent even before kick off that Emery had got the line up all wrong. Everything that made us play so well against them at Villa Park was missing, including McGinn getting at Dan Burn at left back. Instead we had the utterly anonymous Bailey, who's completely incapable of giving defenders a hard time.


No JJ or Moreno made a difference as well. We didn’t attack their left side with any real precision. The one time we did we scored.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 11:53:56 PM
https://x.com/avfcthereligion/status/1690849817172357120?s=46
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: villadelph on August 14, 2023, 12:28:02 AM
https://x.com/avfcthereligion/status/1690849817172357120?s=46

That’s great!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 14, 2023, 01:00:34 PM
I could not believe how anonymous and ineffectual McGinn was on Saturday.
I thought all week how Dan Burn must be having nightmares about lining up against him - instead he got powder puff Bailey

Emery got this so wrong
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 01:36:47 PM
I could not believe how anonymous and ineffectual McGinn was on Saturday.
I thought all week how Dan Burn must be having nightmares about lining up against him - instead he got powder puff Bailey

Emery got this so wrong

Again. SJM's performance was extremely similar to the Lazio (or Valencia?) game where he hardly touched the ball. Playing him out of position once especially pre-season is easy to forgive. Repeating the mistake in the first game of the season however is as you say, 'so wrong' and done to fit Bailey in the side.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2023, 05:55:12 PM
Not sure it was to was fit Bailey in, more to cover for Buendia's absence. Whatever the reason though, it was a terrible decision. It buggered up both sides completely.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on August 14, 2023, 06:08:39 PM
Not sure it was to was fit Bailey in, more to cover for Buendia's absence. Whatever the reason though, it was a terrible decision. It buggered up both sides completely.

I reckon that’s exactly what Emery was thinking.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 14, 2023, 07:55:24 PM
Not sure it was to was fit Bailey in, more to cover for Buendia's absence. Whatever the reason though, it was a terrible decision. It buggered up both sides completely.
Yep, I was surprised with the team selection and not surprised it didn't work.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 20, 2023, 08:04:48 PM
When McGinn plays well, Villa play well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 08:33:03 PM
Superb today and his energy was incredible.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OCD on August 20, 2023, 09:57:20 PM
MotM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 10:03:29 PM
Brilliant today.  Really good player for us.  Neat goal, lots of energy, good passing. Love SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2023, 10:15:22 PM
MotM.
true
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: colin69 on August 20, 2023, 10:38:32 PM
Absolutely class today. Emery has worked wonders with SJM.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: darren woolley on August 21, 2023, 09:00:14 AM
He was brilliant against Everton.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on August 21, 2023, 09:54:02 AM
Not sure it was to was fit Bailey in, more to cover for Buendia's absence. Whatever the reason though, it was a terrible decision. It buggered up both sides completely.
Yep, I was surprised with the team selection and not surprised it didn't work.
Amazing what a difference a game makes.

I'll admit I wasn't sure about picking him on the left again either, but he shoved that opinion down our throats.  A fantastic performance and he even had the energy to carry the St John's medical bag 40m when it was left on the pitch after the Coutinho injury.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Goldenballs on August 21, 2023, 09:56:12 AM
Still pretty much the heartbeat of our team, not back for a £2.5m (ish?) player from Scotland. Got to be one of our best buys in a long time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 21, 2023, 09:58:34 AM
In terms of value for money I think McGinn is in the same bracket as David Platt and Paul McGrath.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on August 21, 2023, 10:02:43 AM
In terms of value for money I think McGinn is in the same bracket as David Platt and Paul McGrath.

I agree.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on August 21, 2023, 10:08:16 AM
Superb yesterday.

Going against popular opinion, I've never been a massive Mcginn (or Mings) fan. I always thought he's ok, but a bit limited, or on occasion, shit.

But he (and Ty) have absolutely forced humble pie down my throat. Since Unai joined, he (and Ty) has been magnificent. It's like watching a different player to the one I had to endure in the Premier League under Smith and that tosser Gerrard.

I sat yesterday and was shocked at how good he was. Long may it continue
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2023, 10:11:27 AM
Brilliant again, the heartbeat of the team. But we’ll supported by BouBoo and Doug.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: andyh on August 21, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
He is going to go down as a true Villa legend.

To think, that Scouse git nearly ruined him last season.   
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 21, 2023, 11:35:23 AM
This made me smile.
https://twitter.com/VillaViews_/status/1693272611591962689?t=gbPoOjw1Jyi796xSV4pNkQ&s=19
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smirker on August 27, 2023, 04:00:30 PM
Tenacious little bulldog  8)

Bit of skill too  8)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on August 27, 2023, 05:45:46 PM
Lovely little video he did for that fan who had been told today was his last match. Class.

https://twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1695824070217003214?t=MB4vb58knUKMp1HDisTYqg&s=19
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2023, 04:21:39 AM
SJM’s passing is so underrated. Some of the clever chips and through balls, had they been played by those of a more fashionable reputation, would be celebrated and shown on TV/social media with much greater frequency.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: The Charmer on August 28, 2023, 01:26:31 PM
When I think of where SJM was 12 months ago and the fact that most of us would have been happy to offload him, the transformation under the Unai Emery regime is nothing short of remarkable.

Yesterday, in the 2nd-half, he received the ball under pressure and performed some sort-of 450-degree spin in order to retain and then release a lovely little chipped pass down the left wing.
The forin' commentator on the stream I was watching just said:

" John McGinn  .  .  . John McGinn .  .  .  Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha!"

It sounded pure Fast Show and was an absolute joy to behold.

Scorchio!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2023, 01:32:26 PM
Every top team needs a John McGinn.  He really is the driving force behind our midfield at the moment.  Whilst Douglas Luiz and Bouba Kamara may get more attention with their silkiness, McGinn is a force.  I'm really surprised he hasn't been linked with other top quality teams this summer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 02:01:03 PM
Improved beyond all recognition since Emery came. Absolutely superb again yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2023, 02:06:33 PM
Improved beyond all recognition since Emery came. Absolutely superb again yesterday.

Just about everybody has to be fair, but the improvement in McGinn is probably the most noticeable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 28, 2023, 02:09:20 PM
Improved beyond all recognition since Emery came. Absolutely superb again yesterday.

Just about everybody has to be fair, but the improvement in McGinn is probably the most noticeable.

We've always liked SJM, but I think it's fair to say he's reaching levels that we thought were above his 'ceiling'.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2023, 02:12:22 PM
And he's really embraced the captaincy. Something he was forced into because of Lego Head was not convinced Tyrone could look him in the eye. Wanker. SJM looked very unsure of himself in that role early on. He didn't even do a lot of post match press interviews. But now he represents everything it means to be captain. He's not only taken much better care of his physique and fitness, but now understands what it takes to be a top player and a great leader.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2023, 02:20:25 PM
And he's really embraced the captaincy. Something he was forced into because of Lego Head was not convinced Tyrone could look him in the eye. Wanker. SJM looked very unsure of himself in that role early on. He didn't even do a lot of post match press interviews. But now he represents everything it means to be captain. He's not only taken much better care of his physique and fitness, but now understands what it takes to be a top player and a great leader.

I think that’s because he knew deep down that based on his form he didn’t really deserve it. Now he does. The only other candidate I’d entertain now would be Luiz, but he’s a bit busy being the best central midfielder in the Premier League.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 02:40:54 PM
And he's really embraced the captaincy. Something he was forced into because of Lego Head was not convinced Tyrone could look him in the eye. Wanker. SJM looked very unsure of himself in that role early on. He didn't even do a lot of post match press interviews. But now he represents everything it means to be captain. He's not only taken much better care of his physique and fitness, but now understands what it takes to be a top player and a great leader.

I think that’s because he knew deep down that based on his form he didn’t really deserve it. Now he does. The only other candidate I’d entertain now would be Luiz, but he’s a bit busy being the best central midfielder in the Premier League.

I’d imagine he was also pissed off with the way Gerrard treated the last captain before handing it to him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 28, 2023, 02:49:03 PM
What I like about it is that it's not just an upturn in form, for McGinn or for any of the players. They're just fulfilling more of their potential thanks to the high standard of coaching. You could see yesterday when McGinn got the ball, he knew immediately where the runners were going to be and barely needed to even look up.

Of course, you still need talent and the right attitude, and Meatball has those in abundance.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 28, 2023, 06:52:24 PM
John was in Nortons (bar in digbeth) last night !
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2023, 07:33:51 PM
John was in Nortons (bar in digbeth) last night !

Don’t tell footy!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 28, 2023, 08:09:38 PM
John was in Nortons (bar in digbeth) last night !
Fancy a trip there myself,I have to contact him to see how much  the lager is
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 16, 2023, 08:21:31 PM
Not his normal self today but trust he’ll be at it again at Chelsea.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AV84 on September 16, 2023, 08:26:40 PM
I know you can't not play him, but I do wonder about starting several of the players who played twice during the international window. Especially when we're now looking at playing twice a week for the next few months.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 21, 2023, 08:24:26 PM
Something not right the last couple of games. Looks a pale shadow of the SJM of the second half of last season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: usav on September 21, 2023, 09:08:35 PM
Something not right the last couple of games. Looks a pale shadow of the SJM of the second half of last season.

Position.  Drop Kamara, put McGinn back with Luiz and Ramsey in McGinn's spot.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 21, 2023, 09:09:01 PM
Something not right the last couple of games. Looks a pale shadow of the SJM of the second half of last season.

Position.  Drop Kamara, put McGinn back with Luiz and Ramsey in McGinn's spot.
agreed
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on September 21, 2023, 09:16:06 PM
Kamara and McGinn are both well below par at the moment. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 21, 2023, 10:49:15 PM
Something not right the last couple of games. Looks a pale shadow of the SJM of the second half of last season.

Position.  Drop Kamara, put McGinn back with Luiz and Ramsey in McGinn's spot.
agreed

McGinn and Luiz as a 2 doesn't work, we already know this (ask Gerrard). He needs to be on the right where he was successful last season or not played at all.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2023, 10:52:06 PM
I think I'd perhaps be bringing on Dendoncker next to Luiz v Chelsea, at least he can put a foot in when needed. Tielemans and McGinn can't play in a midfield two, so with Kamara playing like a mix of Kinsella and Djemba Djemba, it should probably be the Donk. If Ramsey can start, McGinn can go back to his preferred spot on the right.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 21, 2023, 10:55:06 PM
I think I'd perhaps be bringing on Dendoncker next to Luiz v Chelsea, at least he can put a foot in when needed. Tielemans and McGinn can't play in a midfield two, so with Kamara playing like a mix of Kinsella and Djemba Djemba, it should probably be the Donk. If Ramsey can start, McGinn can go back to his preferred spot on the right.

Yeah, this is where I'm at now. Kamara needs to earn his spot.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: VillaTim on September 21, 2023, 11:03:33 PM
Simply wasn't in the game at all today . Not sure what position he was playing but the game passed him by, very odd.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AV84 on September 22, 2023, 12:00:55 AM
Different topic but I wonder about Donk, did he get on at all tonight? Given how bad some have been and he still can't get game time?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 22, 2023, 12:15:35 AM
You're probably not going to bring on a DM when you need goals, though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AV84 on September 22, 2023, 12:17:33 AM
You're probably not going to bring on a DM when you need goals, though.

We brought on an actual defender against Newcastle when we needed goals. But yeah, maybe he wasn't the sub of choice today, but maybe he should start over Tielemans against Everton.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AV82EC on September 22, 2023, 04:01:47 AM
He was anonymous last night, a few small flashes but Warsaw had done their homework on him and he was ineffectual.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Axl Rose on September 22, 2023, 05:05:57 AM
He was anonymous last night, a few small flashes but Warsaw had done their homework on him and he was ineffectual.

Anonymous is being kind.

Big performance needed at Chelsea
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AV82EC on September 22, 2023, 05:07:46 AM
He was anonymous last night, a few small flashes but Warsaw had done their homework on him and he was ineffectual.

Anonymous is being kind.

Big performance needed at Chelsea
.

That’s 2 games in a row, he does need to turn up at the Bridge…….if selected.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2023, 08:35:45 AM
He's played best under Emery in the wider right midfield role. I'm not sure he's been played in that position all season.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 08:36:34 AM
He's played best under Emery in the wider right midfield role. I'm not sure he's been played in that position all season.

He's played there almost every game? He's just been off it a lot.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2023, 08:38:52 AM
Not really, he's played on the left or last night as almost a number 10. Bailey has been in that position mostly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 08:43:45 AM
I think it's a confusion of terms here. McGinn is the most right of the midfielders in starting position but instructed to drift in, Bailey was the second striker whose job is also to drift wide right. I don't think I've ever seen McGinn where Bailey was - do we really want him hugging the touchline, beating his man to cross with his right foot, of all things?

I think he's playing broadly speaking where he always has, with adjusted instructions like everyone else. He's just not doing it very well this season. Love him, genuinely one of my favourite players, but the point of competition should mean that nobody's spot is safe.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Chris Smith on September 22, 2023, 08:47:12 AM
He's played best under Emery in the wider right midfield role. I'm not sure he's been played in that position all season.



Losing Ramsey and Buendia has unbalanced the midfield and McGinn has been the one shunted about to compensate. Hopefully we’ll see him playing in a position he’s better suited to with Jacob available again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2023, 09:07:02 AM
He's played best under Emery in the wider right midfield role. I'm not sure he's been played in that position all season.



Losing Ramsey and Buendia has unbalanced the midfield and McGinn has been the one shunted about to compensate. Hopefully we’ll see him playing in a position he’s better suited to with Jacob available again.

Ramsey definitely, as no-one else what he does - closing players down from the front,  late runs into the box and driving forward from midfield with the ball. 

Trying to accommodate three attacking players (Diaby, Bailey and Watkins) has increased the workload on the remaining midfielders - Bailey and Diaby do very little defensively and the result is the number of goals we are now conceding, added to losing Mings and McGinn not playing in his best position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 09:11:48 AM
But...he's playing the same position! Apart from when he went left, he's still the furthest right of the midfielders. It's the same position!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2023, 09:31:36 AM
here is the passing map of the Liverpool game - McGinn spending most of the time on the left. Remember last season the game against Newcastle - caused Dan Burn all sorts of problems - starting on the right though. Now Ramsey is back he'll hopefully shift across.


(https://i.ibb.co/n0m9JMr/AV-1.png) (https://ibb.co/n0m9JMr)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 09:39:28 AM
As I said, McGinn has played on the left at times this season, but he's also played mostly (like last night) on the right. And he's not been fabulous, for the most part.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: AV84 on September 24, 2023, 07:17:38 PM
I don't think anyone has covered themselves in glory in the first few weeks of this season, but as far as midfield goes do we need to think about dropping McGinn, or is it just a case of him being played out of position, everyone being shit on any given day, or does he just need time to play himself into form?



Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2023, 07:20:56 PM
He looks tired. His game is very much driven by his energy to get up and down the pitch. He’s played a lot of football when you also consider internationals. Wouldn’t be the worst thing to rest him in a few games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 24, 2023, 07:29:51 PM
Not too long ago there was no way he was ever getting subbed off. That he has been of late tells me that Emery knows he's tired, but he still wants his captain on the pitch as much as possible. With Ramsey back he might just get his rest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2023, 08:23:47 PM
Candid from SJM

https://x.com/jmcginn7/status/1705985883470487892?s=46
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on September 24, 2023, 09:59:04 PM
Candid from SJM

https://x.com/jmcginn7/status/1705985883470487892?s=46

I do love him. He'll know he's not exactly in peak form too, and that's fine, it happens, we should have the options to cope while he works his way back. He'll be back to his best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on October 01, 2023, 08:53:09 AM
I thought he was man of the match yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Steve67 on October 01, 2023, 10:33:29 AM
I thought he was man of the match yesterday.

SJM was excellent and also played a couple of lovely passes to Ollie for Douglas's goal and another for Matt Cash for the first goal, shame they don't go down as his assists as it was his passes that opened up Brighton.  Great reverse pass to Ollie for the hat-trick goal too. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 01, 2023, 10:49:43 AM
I thought he was man of the match yesterday.

He was great, back to his best. He's so much better on the right hand side, almost like a completely different player.

Very hard to pick a MOTM yesterday, as everybody was excellent. Hard to see past Ollie though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 01, 2023, 03:12:00 PM
His vision and passing is underated. He is thought of outside of B6 as a hard running, high energy workmanlike player, but he isn’t fully appreciated for some of other aspects of his game. We are lucky to have him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rigadon on October 01, 2023, 04:03:57 PM
He was brutal yesterday without being dirty.  Add in the high quality passing (like the one for Cash for our first goal) and you have McGinn nearly at his best.   As important as about 6 other players in our team. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 01, 2023, 04:17:43 PM
Our SJM. Never disappoints

https://x.com/avfcthereligion/status/1708264764932055203?s=46
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 01, 2023, 05:01:31 PM
He is great, so down-to earth. Nice interview.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: London Villan on October 01, 2023, 06:44:22 PM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on October 01, 2023, 11:19:58 PM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.

It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.

The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 02, 2023, 08:23:54 AM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.

It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.

The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!

I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2023, 09:01:46 AM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.

It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.

The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!

I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey

Absolutely. Our best 11 at the moment is:

Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne

McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey

Diaby Watkins

Zaniolo can cover for either McGinn or Ramsey, or Diaby at a push.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 09:21:27 AM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.

It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.

The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!

I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey

Absolutely. Our best 11 at the moment is:

Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne

McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey

Diaby Watkins

Zaniolo can cover for either McGinn or Ramsey, or Diaby at a push.

That team can beat anyone. If we could field it every week we'd be in the Champions League.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2023, 09:25:45 AM
Indeed, and that's without Diaby being quite at his best yet. Diaby started the season brilliantly, and Watkins was a bit subdued. Now Watkins is back to his best, Diaby has been a bit quiet the last three games. If we can get them both firing on all cylinders we're going to take some stopping.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 09:35:28 AM
I don't know, Diaby was bloody good on Saturday mate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on October 02, 2023, 09:40:14 AM
I thought Diaby was pretty good on Saturday, by his standards. He's not quite wriggling away into space like he was in his first few games. Positioning, early passing, off the ball movement, all of that was there of course.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: chrisw1 on October 02, 2023, 09:54:44 AM
I noticed in his interview after the game SJM mentioned that the Villa crowd always let you know if you're not playing well.  I've heard him mention this before.  It's obviously rattled him in the past and it's not great to hear tbh.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2023, 09:55:28 AM
So long as they keep alternating who is scoring and who isn't I'm happy for things to carry on as they are. Both of them add loads even if they aren't scoring goals so we don't need them to be 'on it' every single game. The movement and pace they add to us is why we're the 2nd highest scorers in the league and is why I'm confident that this season we'll have 4-5 players (Watkins, Diaby, Doug, Ramsey and then maybes for Duran and Zaniolo) pushing for double figures in the league.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 09:57:07 AM
I noticed in his interview after the game SJM mentioned that the Villa crowd always let you know if you're not playing well.  I've heard him mention this before.  It's obviously rattled him in the past and it's not great to hear tbh.

Risso's voice does carry unfortunately.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Clampy on October 02, 2023, 10:02:51 AM
I noticed in his interview after the game SJM mentioned that the Villa crowd always let you know if you're not playing well.  I've heard him mention this before.  It's obviously rattled him in the past and it's not great to hear tbh.

That's a common thing that players say about their own fans, I've heard it loads of times.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: OCD on October 02, 2023, 11:24:26 AM
I think Zaniolo's position may be as a 10. Once he's found his feet and looks the part, it would be interesting to see him there and Diaby's pace used on the flank.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2023, 11:28:26 AM
I think Zaniolo's position may be as a 10. Once he's found his feet and looks the part, it would be interesting to see him there and Diaby's pace used on the flank.

In my head Zaniolo is a bit of a unicorn in that I think he'd be a good alternative to Ramsey, McGinn, Diaby or Watkins depending on the game situation.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Monty on October 02, 2023, 06:04:59 PM
I think we might see McGinn play in the middle with either Kamara or Luiz should the need arise (I'm thinking of Luiz's inevitable yellow cards suspension), with Ramsey left and Zaniolo right.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: brontebilly on October 02, 2023, 06:11:17 PM
I noticed in his interview after the game SJM mentioned that the Villa crowd always let you know if you're not playing well.  I've heard him mention this before.  It's obviously rattled him in the past and it's not great to hear tbh.

That's a common thing that players say about their own fans, I've heard it loads of times.

Andy Townsend mentions it a lot about Villa Park in commentary. Likes of Hourihane in the past have done aswell. Either a player can cope with that kind of atmosphere and thrive or they can't and are at the wrong club. Bailey comes to mind in the latter camp, couple of mistakes/kicks and he goes into his shell.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Drummond on October 03, 2023, 12:06:23 AM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.

It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.

The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!

I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey

Absolutely. Our best 11 at the moment is:

Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne

McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey

Diaby Watkins

Zaniolo can cover for either McGinn or Ramsey, or Diaby at a push.

That team can beat anyone. If we could field it every week we'd be in the Champions League.

With Moreno close to being fit it will be stronger still.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 03, 2023, 01:02:40 AM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.

It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.

The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!

I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey

Absolutely. Our best 11 at the moment is:

Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne

McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey

Diaby Watkins

Zaniolo can cover for either McGinn or Ramsey, or Diaby at a push.

That team can beat anyone. If we could field it every week we'd be in the Champions League.

With Moreno close to being fit it will be stronger still.

A bit left-field I know, but I’d put a keeper in as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Smirker on October 05, 2023, 10:17:25 PM
Well done Wee John.  8)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Beard82 on October 05, 2023, 10:30:50 PM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.

It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.

The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!

I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey

Absolutely. Our best 11 at the moment is:

Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne

McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey

Diaby Watkins

Zaniolo can cover for either McGinn or Ramsey, or Diaby at a push.

That team can beat anyone. If we could field it every week we'd be in the Champions League.

With Moreno close to being fit it will be stronger still.

A bit left-field I know, but I’d put a keeper in as well.
Typical negativity
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 06, 2023, 08:59:56 PM
Loved the comment from SJM when questioned on playing every league and cup game, the Euro Conference games plus Scotland and whether he needs a rest. SJM basically replied he's loving every minute, he feels blessed and he's on an amazing journey since joining us in the Championship and it wasn't so long ago he was being relegated in the Scottish Premiership.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain 2022/23)
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 10, 2023, 12:53:31 AM
Two great crosses from SJM on Sunday, both of which could easily have resulted in goals. Was surprised at how close his long shot was as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 19, 2023, 09:29:59 PM
Premier league stories sky sports. 9.30
John mcginn story
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: LeeB on October 19, 2023, 10:01:20 PM
Premier league stories sky sports. 9.30
John mcginn story

Nice one, that was a lovely half hour
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2023, 09:49:14 AM
Our Captain:

"When teams come and sit deep, defend with five and six, that's where we need to improve.
We need to be more patient, make more runs. It's something we're aware of and we're working hard on but like the manager says all the time we are progressing as a team, we're getting there.

We're not quite there yet [Champions League qualification] but we're giving ourselves a chance to be right in the mix for some special things."

"It's up to us players. You either get on board with it, get on the train and improve to a level where he [Emery] wants to get to, otherwise you'll be shifted out and we've seen that already. Hopefully I can keep improving and keep being part of that group."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 20, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
What an excellent statement from our Captain
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: OCD on October 20, 2023, 11:28:01 AM
Probably no coincidence that he says before a run of fixtures where teams are likely to play a low block against us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2023, 12:00:36 PM
Quote
It's up to us players. You either get on board with it, get on the train and improve to a level where he [Emery] wants to get to, otherwise you'll be shifted out and we've seen that already.

Ings? Coutinho? I would be surprised if he was talking about the kids that were let go as with the buybacks, it just seemed to be a FFP issue.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2023, 12:44:19 PM
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It's up to us players. You either get on board with it, get on the train and improve to a level where he [Emery] wants to get to, otherwise you'll be shifted out and we've seen that already.

Ings? Coutinho? I would be surprised if he was talking about the kids that were let go as with the buybacks, it just seemed to be a FFP issue.

Ings, certainly. Coutinho was more of a fitness issue I'd argue, as he certainly had the ability.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2023, 12:47:28 PM
Tielemans needs to step up for sure.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2023, 12:57:06 PM
I don't think McGinn's been as good as he was at the back end of last season, and he needs to get back to those levels.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: brontebilly on October 20, 2023, 01:56:07 PM
I don't think McGinn's been as good as he was at the back end of last season, and he needs to get back to those levels.

Hasn't been playing in his best position for most of it. Brilliant against Brighton but shifted again for Wolves. Get Ramsey back fit and McGinn will thrive.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2023, 02:33:41 PM
I don't think McGinn's been as good as he was at the back end of last season, and he needs to get back to those levels.

Hasn't been playing in his best position for most of it. Brilliant against Brighton but shifted again for Wolves. Get Ramsey back fit and McGinn will thrive.

He isn't going to be fit for several weeks again though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ian. on October 20, 2023, 02:46:46 PM
The problem with a player like McGinn is he’s such a good lad and professional it doesn’t matter who’s in charge he’s trusted to fill gaps in the team, however ultimately it means we do not see the best of him as often as we should do.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 22, 2023, 03:44:21 PM
Smith the gaffer interviewing with McGinn is just great too. Seeing Deano there and beaming with McGinn feel so proud of it all.
Brilliant.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 22, 2023, 03:58:08 PM
Lovely to see Dean Smith on Skysports.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 24, 2023, 05:03:42 PM
This season at the moment McGinn is the chief creative source in the midfield who makes the passes into the penalty area. Part of his role is to feed the ball into players who are making moves into the area. I think he's ok at this but he could be better with his weight of passing. And he's being part deployed as a creative source in matches.

Upon observations McGinn and Douglas Luiz seem to share responsibility on through balls(and to a lesser extent Kamara) but its Tielemans (and Buendia ) who are the someones who can help add that creativity and unlock defences
Tielemans has ability and vision to play passes into the penalty area and balls through to players at a better standard than McGinn but doesn't offer the same dynamics as our Captain.




Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 29, 2023, 10:10:02 AM
McGinn said after Villa’s 6-1 victory over Brighton.

“I was thinking this morning when the manager did the tactics meeting that it's either going to be 6-1 to us or 6-1 to them,”

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Smirker on October 29, 2023, 07:10:21 PM
MOTM today for me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 29, 2023, 07:18:23 PM
He got MOTM on the BBC match ratings, just ahead of Bailey and Diaby.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 29, 2023, 09:03:24 PM
Upon the passing of Charlie Aitken today only right that a fellow Scot took todays game by the scruff of its neck. Well played SJM.  Admittedly hindsight , but just feels right.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2023, 09:05:20 PM
He was our best player today. I don't think anybody needed to raise themselves above a 7/10 performance, we won't have a more straightforward game all season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV82EC on October 29, 2023, 09:19:32 PM
He was our best player today. I don't think anybody needed to raise themselves above a 7/10 performance, we won't have a more straightforward game all season.

Sheffield United at home says hold my beer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2023, 02:55:56 PM
A brilliant right footed finish and also a disastrous one.
Great leading by SJM v Luton however and I think he's really excelling in his role
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Louzie0 on November 01, 2023, 01:04:26 AM
Several wonderful things about watching this match on Sunday. I was in the Witton/DE, halfway up, on the halfway line. A brilliant position to see all of our moves, and the repeated tactic of suddenly turning intervention into attack and especially, the timed runs off the ball by various players were breathtaking. Emery was a distant figure, hovering in the technical area opposite and clearly engaged with everything happening on the pitch moment to moment.

I was really impressed by SJM, his leadership ( talking all the time to team mates, directing attacks) and his technical ability when surrounded; it seemed that he turned and set off in an unexpected direction, or he was able to pass and then get the ball back to threaten again. Luton didn’t seem to have a clue how to deal with him. He was fantastic!

What a wonderful example of player development he is with his work ethic and the right manager/coaching set up.

And, what a great team we have, playing such exciting football as a result of that set up. Long may it last!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 01, 2023, 02:11:10 AM
Under this manager, I think it will.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2023, 08:11:55 PM
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Aston Villa captain John McGinn said his side want to "write our names in the history books" by ending the club's long wait for a trophy this season.

McGinn's team face AZ Alkmaar on Thursday in the Europa Conference League when a win leave them well placd to reach the knockout stage.

Villa's last trophy was the 1996 League Cup, 27 years ago.

"Hopefully at the end of the season we can be proud of something we've done," said McGinn.

"We have three opportunities [Premier League, FA Cup and Europa Conference League] to break that spell of Aston Villa teams not having any silverware.

"We are embracing the Conference League. We know we are one of the biggest teams in the competition but that doesn't mean we can just turn up."

After two wins and one defeat, Unai Emery's Villa are second in Group E and need two more victories from their final three group matches to guarantee reaching the knockout stages.

The West Midlands club missed out on a chance to go third in the Premier League last weekend, losing to Nottingham Forest to end a six-match unbeaten run.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2023, 08:25:47 PM
Quote
"We are embracing the Conference League. We know we are one of the biggest teams in the competition but that doesn't mean we can just turn up."

.... like we did at Legia Warsaw.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Steve67 on November 08, 2023, 08:33:54 PM
Quote
"We are embracing the Conference League. We know we are one of the biggest teams in the competition but that doesn't mean we can just turn up."

.... like we did at Legia Warsaw.

And at Forest.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 08, 2023, 08:43:29 PM
Quote
"We are embracing the Conference League. We know we are one of the biggest teams in the competition but that doesn't mean we can just turn up."

.... like we did at Legia Warsaw.

And at Forest.
There is no way that we just turned up" to either game.
We didn't get the results but Emery wouldn't be treating either side lightly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Clampy on November 12, 2023, 05:31:01 PM
Thought this deserved bumping up. Outstanding today, he really bossed that midfield. A proper captains performance
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Villafirst on November 12, 2023, 05:35:59 PM
I've just got home. Super John McGinn was immense this afternoon. Brilliant performance!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 12, 2023, 05:36:31 PM
My old mantra of “When McGinn plays well , Villa play well” didn’t stand up to scrutiny today. The former was excellent, the latter not so. Still I’d take it all day long.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 12, 2023, 06:25:19 PM
I asked chatGPT to write me a poem about McGinn

In the heart of the pitch, where dreams begin,
John McGinn, a maestro, a football kin.
With skillful strides and vision keen,
He dances on the grass, a midfield scene.

Through the tackles and crowded space,
McGinn weaves with both power and grace.
A player of passion, relentless might,
In every match, he’s a glorious sight.

From Villa Park’s roar to Hampden’s call,
His dedication stands tall.
A warrior in claret and blue,
John McGinn, the pitch’s truest hue.

Goals celebrated, victories sung,
His legacy, forever young.
In the beautiful game, a shining star,
John McGinn, both near and far.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: olaftab on November 12, 2023, 06:29:45 PM
Great game today. Mr Reliable.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: supertom on November 12, 2023, 06:30:36 PM
Today: McGinn 9.5/10
McGinn's arse 10/10
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: enigma on November 12, 2023, 06:39:52 PM
I asked chatGPT to write me a poem about McGinn

In the heart of the pitch, where dreams begin,
John McGinn, a maestro, a football kin.
With skillful strides and vision keen,
He dances on the grass, a midfield scene.

Through the tackles and crowded space,
McGinn weaves with both power and grace.
A player of passion, relentless might,
In every match, he’s a glorious sight.

From Villa Park’s roar to Hampden’s call,
His dedication stands tall.
A warrior in claret and blue,
John McGinn, the pitch’s truest hue.

Goals celebrated, victories sung,
His legacy, forever young.
In the beautiful game, a shining star,
John McGinn, both near and far.
Describing him as the pitches truest hue is a bit odd but otherwise not bad!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 12, 2023, 06:45:59 PM
He was insanely good today. I think he took out 3 players when he put through Bailey for our third goal. Outstanding footballer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Villan82 on November 12, 2023, 06:53:53 PM
And it is worth noting he has been with us on the journey from the championship to here - on his way to legend status for me. Let's hope he lifts some silverware with us to cement his position.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2023, 06:59:32 PM
Awesome, the heartbeat of this team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 12, 2023, 07:01:47 PM
And it is worth noting he has been with us on the journey from the championship to here - on his way to legend status for me. Let's hope he lifts some silverware with us to cement his position.

How amazing would that be.  The sort of bloke you’d want your daughter to marry. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ian. on November 12, 2023, 07:13:43 PM
And it is worth noting he has been with us on the journey from the championship to here - on his way to legend status for me. Let's hope he lifts some silverware with us to cement his position.

Absolutely this.

To think just over a year ago when he was miles off the pace it was hard due to his popularity and reasons as written above to see fans (myself included) writing him off and thinking we need an upgrade. How wrong we were.

He’s incredible good and such a vital cog in that midfield. Him and Doug are fantastic, what a midfield we have now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2023, 07:15:27 PM
I can't remember which game it was, but he got booed to the rafters when he came off in one game. That whole period seems a long time ago now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on November 12, 2023, 07:26:07 PM
I can't remember which game it was, but he got booed to the rafters when he came off in one game. That whole period seems a long time ago now.

Just over a year ago I suspect. If at Villa Park, I suspect Chelsea match.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 12, 2023, 08:15:07 PM
Absolutely outstanding today. Inspirational.

He really has taken to his position as captain too. He leads by example.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Gareth on November 12, 2023, 08:25:50 PM
Biggest compliment I can give him is today he reminded me of prime Gerrard (player not clown of coach)….he grabbed the game by the balls, ran that game, won every ball he wanted, managed the referee too
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Matt C on November 12, 2023, 08:30:25 PM
The absolute epitome of a captain now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 12, 2023, 08:50:28 PM
Super John McGinn! Absolutely bossed it today.
3 goals in 6 league games this season.
Stepped up another level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on November 12, 2023, 08:55:19 PM
I think McGinn has played more then 6 league games this season.

(I know, you meant to put home).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 12, 2023, 08:57:35 PM
For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 12, 2023, 09:00:52 PM
Best game of McGinns career easily. He was world class today.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: brontebilly on November 12, 2023, 09:07:19 PM
I can't remember which game it was, but he got booed to the rafters when he came off in one game. That whole period seems a long time ago now.

Crazy times for sure...think someone on here around that time called him a fat knacker
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 12, 2023, 09:12:44 PM
He was magnificent today.
Everything you'd want in a midfielder encapsulated into 90+ minutes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 12, 2023, 09:16:46 PM
Awesome, the heartbeat of this team.

He certainly was today but we often say the same thing about Dougie. I do wonder if SJM knowing both Dougie and Kamara were both on four yellows with Spurs away next up, he decided to take on the extra responsibility. He played like a man possessed, probably by Zidane at his best.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: brontebilly on November 12, 2023, 09:19:55 PM
He was magnificent today.
Everything you'd want in a midfielder encapsulated into 90+ minutes.

Absolute perfection. Best individual performance in a Villa shirt since peak Grealish maybe.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 12, 2023, 09:30:26 PM
For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.

Its a great story and sums up the man. The whole McGinn at Villa story from championship to now, is fantastic. He is fast becoming one of my all time favourite villa players. McGinn lifting a trophy as pur skipper would/will be an emotional moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: rooboy316 on November 13, 2023, 09:39:07 AM
And to think he cost the equivalent of a packet of chewing gum and some pocket lint. One of the best value for money signings we have made in some time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2023, 09:42:35 AM
An incredible turnaround after that pretty long period where he was mediocre at best.

It's remarkable what world class training can do to players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2023, 09:52:09 AM
I can't remember which game it was, but he got booed to the rafters when he came off in one game. That whole period seems a long time ago now.

Crazy times for sure...think someone on here around that time called him a fat knacker

He was a fat knacker, even his team mates were joking about it on social media.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2023, 09:58:22 AM
An incredible turnaround after that pretty long period where he was mediocre at best.

It's remarkable what world class training can do to players.

It’s hard to imagine a time when JM wasn’t a great player for us but it did happen. He’s now playing the best he has ever played for us. Yesterday he was immense.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV84 on November 13, 2023, 09:58:50 AM
Crooks has him in his team of the week

Quote
John McGinn (Aston Villa): Of all the Aston Villa players who have been part of their success since the arrival of Unai Emery; McGinn has probably been their most consistent.

He seldom misses a game, gives 100% every match and doesn't seem remotely interested in being in the spotlight.

I make no apology for selecting him in my team as he was the star of the show against a totally outclassed Fulham. The Scotland international scored Villa's second goal with a cracking left-footed drive and played an integral part in their third that sealed the game. McGinn - a man for all seasons.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 13, 2023, 10:44:14 AM
For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.
I've missed that - what's the reason?
Its a great story and sums up the man. The whole McGinn at Villa story from championship to now, is fantastic. He is fast becoming one of my all time favourite villa players. McGinn lifting a trophy as pur skipper would/will be an emotional moment.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Nev on November 13, 2023, 10:46:54 AM
I celebrated his goal with some ferocity yesterday after watching him being constantly booted up in the air with little or no consequences for the Fulham players.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 13, 2023, 01:10:16 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: London Villan on November 13, 2023, 01:20:01 PM
The weight of Slippy's management skills clearly affected plenty of players - who are now playing better than ever., Watkins, Luiz and SJM have all emerged from Gerrard's grey cloud and are in the form of their careers.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 13, 2023, 01:43:58 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning

Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: chrisw1 on November 13, 2023, 02:55:36 PM
For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.
I've missed that - what's the reason?
Its a great story and sums up the man. The whole McGinn at Villa story from championship to now, is fantastic. He is fast becoming one of my all time favourite villa players. McGinn lifting a trophy as pur skipper would/will be an emotional moment.
I've missed that - what's the reason?
His nephew needs glasses and has to wear goggles when he plays.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: TaxDodger on November 13, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning

I don't understand how we didn't sack him after the much discussed flight to Dublin. Surely his days are numbered here now?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2023, 03:10:40 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning

Matty Cash flew to Dubai last night.

Wait till Footy hears about these two.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 13, 2023, 03:48:45 PM
For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.
I've missed that - what's the reason?
Its a great story and sums up the man. The whole McGinn at Villa story from championship to now, is fantastic. He is fast becoming one of my all time favourite villa players. McGinn lifting a trophy as pur skipper would/will be an emotional moment.
I've missed that - what's the reason?
His nephew needs glasses and has to wear goggles when he plays.

Yes that it, he says like a lot of kids, his nephew feels self conscious wearing goggles when playing football, so just SJM’s way of supporting. Top man! 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 13, 2023, 03:51:54 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning

Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)

Welcome back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: LeeB on November 13, 2023, 03:54:03 PM
An incredible turnaround after that pretty long period where he was mediocre at best.

It's remarkable what world class training can do to players.

It's also amazing how much damage a carpetheaded, overindulged egomaniac can cause.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2023, 04:08:45 PM
An incredible turnaround after that pretty long period where he was mediocre at best.

It's remarkable what world class training can do to players.

It's also amazing how much damage a carpetheaded, overindulged egomaniac can cause.

Yeahhh 'course.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Bad English on November 13, 2023, 04:23:55 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning

Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)
San Juan!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 13, 2023, 06:22:48 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning

Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)

Welcome back.


How have you done that?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 13, 2023, 06:31:56 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning

Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)

Welcome back.


How have you done that?

It's a conspiracy.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ian. on November 13, 2023, 06:43:12 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning

Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)

Welcome back.


How have you done that?

It's a conspiracy.


I was worried for a minute.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 13, 2023, 07:01:36 PM
For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.
I've missed that - what's the reason?
Its a great story and sums up the man. The whole McGinn at Villa story from championship to now, is fantastic. He is fast becoming one of my all time favourite villa players. McGinn lifting a trophy as pur skipper would/will be an emotional moment.
I've missed that - what's the reason?
His nephew needs glasses and has to wear goggles when he plays.
Cheers
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: purpletrousers on November 13, 2023, 10:19:09 PM
The weight of Slippy's management skills clearly affected plenty of players - who are now playing better than ever., Watkins, Luiz and SJM have all emerged from Gerrard's grey cloud and are in the form of their careers.

Isn’t it amazing. I mean it’s all been said before, and whilst I knew very well he was used out of position badly, he was a different beast for Scotland, he was so so off it, it was so so sad that the wheels had fallen off a ‘fan favourite’ so badly, I’d grown frustrated and once or twice at least internally thought, the not-so-S-JM.

That he has stepped up to be Captain, that he is in such great form and confidence, he can adapt, and he is our longest serving player that has seen us through so much, that he was the biggest bargain going even without reaching these supreme levels…

There would be an element of good things *do* happen to good people if we lift silverware under him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2023, 10:24:04 PM
He hoists The FA Cup above his head whilst wearing our claret & blue, and that's it, I'm done.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on November 14, 2023, 01:30:35 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning

Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)

Welcome back.


How have you done that?

It's a conspiracy.


I was worried for a minute.

You're not the only one.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 15, 2023, 03:38:42 AM
He really was superb vs Fulham. Highlights package

https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1724584165734019271?s=61
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 15, 2023, 07:58:58 AM
It's staggering to think we, as a Championship side only had to pay £2.5m for him, with nobody else interesting in bidding apart from Celtic.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Witton Warrior on November 15, 2023, 08:15:55 AM
He really was superb vs Fulham. Highlights package

https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1724584165734019271?s=61

Marvellous skill and determination
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 15, 2023, 10:14:43 PM
As fit as a-butchers dog.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 12:52:51 AM
Scotland:
SuperMcGinn playing away Georgia today , thursday  November 16, and Sunday Norway home.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 10:16:59 PM
Georgia 2-2 Scotland McGinn did the full 90 minutes.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 17, 2023, 02:10:02 PM
Interesting SJM stat with added Hitz.

(https://scontent.fbhx4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/398612047_7220923971263605_174072605165209080_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=xG_erdqERncAX94KMZF&_nc_ht=scontent.fbhx4-2.fna&oh=00_AfBrTkzvRq_Aa-w-b9nOeD85XYMXAhBpbbEao-pBJVng4A&oe=655CCD3F)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: usav on November 17, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Lee Hendrie is the most surprising one to me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on November 17, 2023, 04:27:42 PM
He was generally quite good for a 20 yarder when it was contract negotiation time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on November 17, 2023, 04:37:28 PM
Interesting SJM stat with added Hitz.

(https://scontent.fbhx4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/398612047_7220923971263605_174072605165209080_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=xG_erdqERncAX94KMZF&_nc_ht=scontent.fbhx4-2.fna&oh=00_AfBrTkzvRq_Aa-w-b9nOeD85XYMXAhBpbbEao-pBJVng4A&oe=655CCD3F)

Who's the bloke that brought der Hammer into it?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV82EC on November 17, 2023, 04:38:08 PM
Interesting SJM stat with added Hitz.

(https://scontent.fbhx4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/398612047_7220923971263605_174072605165209080_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=xG_erdqERncAX94KMZF&_nc_ht=scontent.fbhx4-2.fna&oh=00_AfBrTkzvRq_Aa-w-b9nOeD85XYMXAhBpbbEao-pBJVng4A&oe=655CCD3F)

Who's the bloke that brought der Hammer into it?

Dan Bardell, never heard of him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on November 17, 2023, 09:33:32 PM
Hitz scored all but one from outside the box. However 4 of his were also cup goals. So McGinn is now level.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 17, 2023, 11:53:42 PM
Does anyone else open these threads on International night expecting a serious injury to have occurred ? And then a massive sigh of relief ?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: DrGonzo on November 18, 2023, 12:00:48 AM
McGinn...injured? O RLY?  He had new legs welded om last year, he's good to go
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Villafirst on November 19, 2023, 09:55:05 PM
Apparently SJM went off with a knock to his hip. Why didn't Clarke just play him for 45 minutes? He played the whole match previously. I hate these international breaks. We have a tough run of games coming and don't need these injuries. Hope John is okay....
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 20, 2023, 11:55:55 PM
Apparently, he was joining in with the post-match jollies and seems to be okay.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: DrGonzo on November 21, 2023, 12:26:50 AM
Apparently SJM went off with a knock to his hip. Why didn't Clarke just play him for 45 minutes? He played the whole match previously. I hate these international breaks. We have a tough run of games coming and don't need these injuries. Hope John is okay....

I would guess that McGinn wants to play every minute of every international match he can, just as probably every professional footballer does. It’s frustrating to pick up injuries but that’s sport, huh?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 23, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
SSN reporting this morning that’s he’s training on his own today due to niggle picked up on international duty. Fingers crossed ok for weekend.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 23, 2023, 04:35:02 PM
I would guess that McGinn wants to play every minute of every international match he can, just as probably every professional footballer does. It’s frustrating to pick up injuries but that’s sport, huh?

I would say some professional footballers see it as a duty, whilst others see it as an honour to be relsihed. I'd suggest McGinn's in the latter camp.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: VillaTim on November 23, 2023, 04:42:32 PM
SSN reporting this morning that’s he’s training on his own today due to niggle picked up on international duty. Fingers crossed ok for weekend.
that don't sound good
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 23, 2023, 04:43:20 PM
"Thoughts & prayers..."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 23, 2023, 09:16:01 PM
"Thoughts & prayers..."

Lighting candles
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: CT Villan on November 24, 2023, 02:24:01 AM
All that's left now is an Instagram video confirming his retirement...

Dublin has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 24, 2023, 02:25:15 PM
McGinn has started every League and European match this season. A rest isn't all bad given schedule.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 24, 2023, 02:36:13 PM
Not in the gallery pics of them training  :-\

Maybe a bit of kidology from SUE?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Villafirst on November 24, 2023, 05:11:01 PM
UE thinks John will be fit for Sunday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on November 24, 2023, 05:40:26 PM
As an aside, when he doesn't play in a match and with Mings and Young missing this season, who will be Captain?

I'm guessing Konsa, Martinez or Luiz, although I don't GK captains these days due to them having to speak to the ref, it would mean him having to sprint the length of the pitch.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 24, 2023, 06:08:21 PM
SSN reporting this morning that’s he’s training on his own today due to niggle picked up on international duty. Fingers crossed ok for weekend.
that don't sound good

My theory is that training alone yesterday merely meant he was recovering and Emery didn't want him picking up any knocks in combative training.
Precautionary measures.
And now hearing he's back in the mix for things.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 24, 2023, 06:12:08 PM
As an aside, when he doesn't play in a match and with Mings and Young missing this season, who will be Captain?

I'm guessing Konsa, Martinez or Luiz, although I don't GK captains these days due to them having to speak to the ref, it would mean him having to sprint the length of the pitch.
Martinez is the vice captain, as far as the understanding goes.
If we are leading, Martinez isn't sprinting to speak to the ref that's for sure!

Reminds me of all the Robbie Williams chatter and song I did on Martinez actually saying this.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Clampy on November 26, 2023, 06:17:09 PM
Another bump up. Really good again today. Loved the shithousing timewasting putting on the captains arm band on Emi.
.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: paul_e on November 26, 2023, 06:52:07 PM
Another bump up. Really good again today. Loved the shithousing timewasting putting on the captains arm band on Emi.
.

Unlucky to get a yellow card from the ref for asking why him being kicked in the heel by Hjoberg wasn't a foul but it was when Cash did it 20 seconds later.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2023, 11:09:09 AM
Another bump up. Really good again today. Loved the shithousing timewasting putting on the captains arm band on Emi.
.

Emi's the vice captain!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 27, 2023, 11:27:34 AM
Another bump up. Really good again today. Loved the shithousing timewasting putting on the captains arm band on Emi.
.

Emi's the vice captain!


and they can be really hard to get on
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 02:06:13 PM
Thought he was our best player yesterday, leading by example again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 02:21:14 PM
Thought he was our best player yesterday, leading by example again.

A gnats bollock between him, Doug and Pau for me and Martinez was excellent as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Smithy on November 27, 2023, 02:51:39 PM
Thought he was our best player yesterday, leading by example again.

A gnats bollock between him, Doug and Pau for me and Martinez was excellent as well.

Martinez demonstrated yesterday what a world-class goalkeeper can do.  Almost any other goalie in the league and we lose that game yesterday. Two absolutely brilliant and one world-class save, each of which would likely have been a goal with another keeper.  I think the three points were thanks to him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: spartacuss on November 28, 2023, 11:54:39 AM
Re: McGinn's trademark style: I thought this might be recorded for er... 'posterity':

"John McGinn, meanwhile, is perhaps the world's leading arse-dribbler. John McGinn's arse bobs. John McGinn's arse wiggles. John McGinn's arse swivels. And then in a flash John McGinn's arse is gone, never to be seen again."

(Jonathan Liew - 'On dribbling' Grauniad.)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: olaftab on November 29, 2023, 12:41:38 PM
I am amazed how he comes out of "scrums" with the ball. Even better than Gareth B.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 02, 2023, 05:43:43 PM
Good luck to SJM. Hopefully fit and playing Germany in the opening game of Euro 2024
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Villafirst on December 03, 2023, 04:16:20 PM
How many bookings is that for SJM? Hopefully not 5?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV84 on December 03, 2023, 05:21:59 PM
How many bookings is that for SJM? Hopefully not 5?

Only his 3rd.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Villafirst on December 03, 2023, 06:19:51 PM
How many bookings is that for SJM? Hopefully not 5?

Only his 3rd.

That's good!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: 85kota on December 03, 2023, 07:18:48 PM
Is there a point when bookings get reset or you need 10 to trigger a ban?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 03, 2023, 07:23:16 PM
Is there a point when bookings get reset or you need 10 to trigger a ban?

Reset after 19 games (halfway point) I believe.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: 85kota on December 03, 2023, 07:26:04 PM
Is there a point when bookings get reset or you need 10 to trigger a ban?

Reset after 19 games (halfway point) I believe.

Thanks! 👍
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 03, 2023, 07:30:28 PM
Not so much reset, I think it just goes up to a higher number of bookings (possibly 10) before a ban.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Steve67 on December 03, 2023, 10:38:24 PM
Not so much reset, I think it just goes up to a higher number of bookings (possibly 10) before a ban.

Correct, but the ban at that point becomes two games I believe.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 06, 2023, 10:42:40 PM
Inspirational captains performance.
Super John McGinn.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Smirker on December 06, 2023, 10:59:27 PM
Tonight he played like a more aggressive and ferocious version of Andrés Iniesta. His control, balance and calm on the ball were top notch. Best performance I think I've seen from him.

What a little bulldog of a player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: brontebilly on December 06, 2023, 11:03:45 PM
Thought he was running on empty last few games but what a performance tonight. How many times in the first half did he get around that wildly overrated kid from City?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Goldenballs on December 06, 2023, 11:28:03 PM
One of the best bargains of all time.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on December 06, 2023, 11:34:46 PM
His arse is sensational, what a player, when he plays well we win. Love him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 12:42:25 AM
His close control and precise passing is so unappreciated because he’s just not a glamorous player. But he does things that if was South American, Spanish, Italian, even English there would be so much more conversation about him.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 12:44:52 AM
Juan Maguiño

(Or maybe Juan Ginnez?)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2023, 01:08:54 AM
Juan Maguiño

(Or maybe Juan Ginnez?)

Probably Juan Blanco or Rubio.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: darren woolley on December 07, 2023, 06:24:06 AM
He was immense never stopped working.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 07, 2023, 07:07:15 AM
My MOTM, he is the driving force of this team.
Can any one think of a player you would swap him for right now?
No nor me.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Rigadon on December 07, 2023, 07:29:37 AM
He’s playing at a world class level this season.  Last night he was sensational. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2023, 08:00:01 AM
My MOTM, he is the driving force of this team.
Can any one think of a player you would swap him for right now?
No nor me.


There are a couple of midfielders doing as well as he is, in Kamara and Luiz, but well bugger me, they're ours as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: luke95 on December 07, 2023, 08:03:55 AM
He was world class lastnight. Probably up there with one of the best performances by a Villa player in my 45 years
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on December 07, 2023, 08:22:08 AM
An absolutely class performance last night from my favourite Villa player for a long long time. I love the way that he just powers through and is afraid of nothing and no one. Glorious.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 07, 2023, 08:36:17 AM
Reminds me of the Scottish players from years ago,
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Scratchins on December 07, 2023, 08:38:51 AM
His arse is sensational, what a player, when he plays well we win. Love him.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - his backside should have it's own squad number.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on December 07, 2023, 08:42:45 AM
His close control and precise passing is so unappreciated because he’s just not a glamorous player. But he does things that if was South American, Spanish, Italian, even English there would be so much more conversation about him.

His little shuffle to disguise the perfect pass for the Torres chance was sublime. I rewound it back several times to watch and I still couldn't tell when he was going to release the ball it was disguised so well, and so perfectly weighted.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 07, 2023, 08:45:28 AM
The more I see of him performing like this I feel as though we’ve screwed Hibbs over well and truly.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: chrisw1 on December 07, 2023, 08:58:23 AM
I don't like to go overboard, but when SJM plays like that he is bordering on world-class.  Utterly dominant and unplayable.  He must do a lot of gym work as his strength on the ball is something to behold.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Clampy on December 07, 2023, 09:10:32 AM
He's reminding me of the way Gerrard used to play for Liverpool at the moment. He's been superb.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ursineultra on December 07, 2023, 09:10:53 AM
When he has games like last night it looks as though he has the ball on a string. I lost count of the amount of times 3 or 4 players would descend on him and he just waltzed away from them all, still in possession. He was a different class.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: stevo_st on December 07, 2023, 09:15:42 AM
Highlight for me was him dancing around Ederson just before that Konsa header.

Did a good job of putting him off for a cross he should have come for and caught easily
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2023, 09:17:00 AM
He's got such quick feet now, he always managers to make a bit of space for himself.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: cdward on December 07, 2023, 09:33:09 AM
I like the way he positions himself "offside" when we have free kicks close to their goal,  it definitely distracts the keeper and other defenders, not knowing where he will go or do.
When he was distracting Ederson and Konsa's header went over, he had moved away and was completely unmarked towards the back post when the ball was played in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 07, 2023, 09:38:08 AM
My MOTM, he is the driving force of this team.
Can any one think of a player you would swap him for right now?
No nor me.


There are a couple of midfielders doing as well as he is, in Kamara and Luiz, but well bugger me, they're ours as well.
Tielmens didn’t look too shabby last night either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 07, 2023, 09:52:41 AM
I just wish we could clone him.  If every Villa team for the next thousand years had a meatball running round causing havoc, every other fucker might as well just give up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: UK Redsox on December 07, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
I like the way he positions himself "offside" when we have free kicks close to their goal,  it definitely distracts the keeper and other defenders, not knowing where he will go or do.
When he was distracting Ederson and Konsa's header went over, he had moved away and was completely unmarked towards the back post when the ball was played in.


Last night SJM also had the Ref puzzled when he was dancing in front of Ederson.

Looked as if the Ref was looking for a reason to move SJM out of the way, then realised that there wasn't one.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV82EC on December 07, 2023, 12:06:41 PM
I can’t quite put my finger on what it is about McGinn. And then I realised along with Tyrone he’s the bloodline and the beating heart of the past 6 to 7 years. Signed by Bruce in the Championship, developed by Smith, misused by Gerrard and now being taken to amazing levels by Emery.

I was one of those thinking he couldn’t improve and that he’d reached his ceiling but his performance last night was little short of exceptional.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 07, 2023, 12:12:58 PM
He really looked like iniesta last night
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on December 07, 2023, 12:15:50 PM
Ran his socks off like a man possessed last night. Made me recall a great saying by one of this parish that his running style is akin to the first few yards having jumped from a helicopter.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 12:28:15 PM
I like the way he positions himself "offside" when we have free kicks close to their goal,  it definitely distracts the keeper and other defenders, not knowing where he will go or do.
When he was distracting Ederson and Konsa's header went over, he had moved away and was completely unmarked towards the back post when the ball was played in.


Last night SJM also had the Ref puzzled when he was dancing in front of Ederson.

Looked as if the Ref was looking for a reason to move SJM out of the way, then realised that there wasn't one.

I was just looking through some videos on YouTube from the game and one kid was filming him during that and it's so funny to watch. He's doing star jumps and everything in front of Ederson.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: LeeB on December 07, 2023, 12:29:41 PM
He reminds me of the Loony Tunes Tasmanian Devil, a whir of dust, him and three opponents and then there he is with the ball at his feet.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 12:55:38 PM
My MOTM, he is the driving force of this team.
Can any one think of a player you would swap him for right now?
No nor me.


There are a couple of midfielders doing as well as he is, in Kamara and Luiz, but well bugger me, they're ours as well.

Tielemans isn't far behind in the last month and JJ coming back will get there as well. Add Bailey given he's often playing in a 4 and we have 6 players across the midfield who are all good enough to make us title challengers in my opinion. If we can keep this up into January and then add a little depth I think most of the league will be very nervous of us, it's insane to think that we are genuinely only 3-4 players away from having a champions league level squad.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 01:17:44 PM
I thought Mings was the perfect captain of the club. And he still would be. But John McGinn has grown into the role and responsibility. Not only has his performances been sensational but he’s really taken the duty of captain to another level.

Unai Emery: "They are very good players and when I arrived here they were very good. But sometimes you need a comfortable atmosphere. John McGinn is the example of it. He's a fantastic man and captain. On the pitch he is smiling but he is also so responsible."
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: OCD on December 07, 2023, 01:44:56 PM
I like the way he positions himself "offside" when we have free kicks close to their goal,  it definitely distracts the keeper and other defenders, not knowing where he will go or do.

When he was distracting Ederson and Konsa's header went over, he had moved away and was completely unmarked towards the back post when the ball was played in.


Last night SJM also had the Ref puzzled when he was dancing in front of Ederson.

Looked as if the Ref was looking for a reason to move SJM out of the way, then realised that there wasn't one.

😂

We did it against Legia Warsaw too and there does seem to be some merit for doing it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 07, 2023, 01:51:18 PM
At the final whistle he collapsed in a heap totally exhausted - one of the most incredible performances i have ever seen

Simply outstanding
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 07, 2023, 01:54:41 PM
I like the way he positions himself "offside" when we have free kicks close to their goal,  it definitely distracts the keeper and other defenders, not knowing where he will go or do.

When he was distracting Ederson and Konsa's header went over, he had moved away and was completely unmarked towards the back post when the ball was played in.


Last night SJM also had the Ref puzzled when he was dancing in front of Ederson.

Looked as if the Ref was looking for a reason to move SJM out of the way, then realised that there wasn't one.

😂

We did it against Legia Warsaw too and there does seem to be some merit for doing it.


Look no further than McPhee. It’s all part of the plan.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: dave shelley on December 07, 2023, 01:55:21 PM
Every time I watch McGinn play I think 2.5 million, WTF!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 03:48:09 PM
Highlights package of Meatball from last night. Just fucking immense

https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1732788808444260556?s=46
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 07, 2023, 04:27:03 PM
Highlights package of Meatball from last night. Just fucking immense

https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1732788808444260556?s=46

And some.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: OCD on December 07, 2023, 04:36:37 PM
That over the top ball for Bailey was class. I only saw Watkins ahead of him and I muttered something about the pass when it was clear he had overhit it for Watkins. But then to see it was a perfect ball for Bailey, that was just quality.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ian. on December 07, 2023, 05:22:00 PM
What a player.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Clampy on December 07, 2023, 05:30:59 PM
He reminded me of Grealish in that clip a little bit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: basavfc on December 07, 2023, 08:01:16 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/pn5KYFF/sjm1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pn5KYFF)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2023, 08:03:12 PM
Like it, bas!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Smithy on December 07, 2023, 08:10:38 PM
That over the top ball for Bailey was class. I only saw Watkins ahead of him and I muttered something about the pass when it was clear he had overhit it for Watkins. But then to see it was a perfect ball for Bailey, that was just quality.

The cheeky twat commentating on MOTD implied he'd overhit a pass to Watkins.  Which I suppose is technically possible, but there is no way he didn't see Bailey as well.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2023, 08:13:26 PM
That over the top ball for Bailey was class. I only saw Watkins ahead of him and I muttered something about the pass when it was clear he had overhit it for Watkins. But then to see it was a perfect ball for Bailey, that was just quality.

The cheeky twat commentating on MOTD implied he'd overhit a pass to Watkins.  Which I suppose is technically possible, but there is no way he didn't see Bailey as well.

To be fair, it looked like he had massively overhit it to Watkins, and there were a few groans around the ground. But nobody (including the Man City defence) had seen Bailey steaming through to pick the ball up, and if Bailey had shot to the left instead of the right he'd have scored for sure. But that's half the point of Ollie, even though he had a fairly quiet game, he drew the Man City defenders away and left Leon with a chance.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 07, 2023, 08:17:20 PM
I'm convinced it was meant for Watkins, but now knowing an Emery side anything is possible.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2023, 08:47:57 PM
F365 get it

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There are a handful of players whose fitness and availability will help decide the Premier League title race. Rodri is perhaps the most obvious, but Declan Rice, William Saliba, Virgil van Dijk, Mo Salah and apparently John sodding McGinn are in that next echelon of importance
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 08:48:48 PM
Nah, fuck it I’m going that it was meant for Bailey. Watkins was the decoy. SJM has superpowers we are now seeing coming to the fore. His passing is at times truly sensational.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on December 07, 2023, 09:50:45 PM
Highlights package of Meatball from last night. Just fucking immense

https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1732788808444260556?s=46

The shuffle I mentioned earlier to disguise the pass to Torres is at 50 seconds onwards. As I mentioned even watching it a few times, the pass is still not seen until Torres has it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 10:26:59 PM
Highlights package of Meatball from last night. Just fucking immense

https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1732788808444260556?s=46

The shuffle I mentioned earlier to disguise the pass to Torres is at 50 seconds onwards. As I mentioned even watching it a few times, the pass is still not seen until Torres has it.

I thought he was waiting for someone to come back from an offside position when I first saw it, and then he had to pass it to Torres because he had no option. Watching it back multiple times it does look like deliberate subterfuge.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 10:29:33 PM
The bit at around 2.24 when he is surrounded by 3 Man City players and they can’t get the ball from him. Love it
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 10:41:48 PM
He's really benefitting from the fact that he is the most advanced of 3 out-right playmakers.

We all know how good he is at rolling a defender, and so do opposition managers, so in the past they could setup to handle it but now having a extra player to cover it creates too much space for Doug or Pau who can cause just as much trouble so teams struggle to pick them all up and, generally, 1 of the 3 finds himself in space to pick a pass into the final 3rd.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: dave shelley on December 08, 2023, 09:27:36 AM
He has such a small turning circle which allows him to wriggle free of tight situations, it's akin to a ballerina's pirouette at times perfectly counter-balanced by an Oliver Hardy sized arse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 06:17:33 PM
Actor Dougray Scott on the BBC predictions page. No idea if he's serious or if it's Scottish sense of humour, but it made me laugh.

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Dougray on Villa midfielder John McGinn: We had him at Hibs and he is a brilliant player, doing a great job for Villa. This is no disrespect to Villa, who are having a brilliant season, but I think he will end up at Manchester City, Liverpool or Manchester United - or he will go to Real Madrid or Barcelona; he is that good
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: OCD on December 08, 2023, 06:33:37 PM
I think he's being serious. Typical dismissive comment of us that we should be used to by now by someone who doesn't know much about us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Bad English on December 08, 2023, 06:37:59 PM
Fuck off! McGinn will stay at the future PL and CL champions. ;-)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 08, 2023, 06:45:37 PM
Actor Dougray Scott on the BBC predictions page. No idea if he's serious or if it's Scottish sense of humour, but it made me laugh.

Quote
Dougray on Villa midfielder John McGinn: We had him at Hibs and he is a brilliant player, doing a great job for Villa. This is no disrespect to Villa, who are having a brilliant season, but I think he will end up at Manchester City, Liverpool or Manchester United - or he will go to Real Madrid or Barcelona; he is that good
That's a typical comment from someone who doesn't even have a passing interest in what Aston Villa are building.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: eamonn on December 08, 2023, 07:01:36 PM
Yeah, fuck him off. Scott that is, not Meatball.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 07:09:35 PM
He's a big Hibs fan and his family have a history with that club, but then he's also a Man Utd fan, so..... speaks volumes, I think.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 08, 2023, 07:27:44 PM
Yeah, fuck him off. Scott that is, not Meatball.

Yeah, I've never met anyone called Dougray who was sound.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Smirker on December 09, 2023, 07:56:15 PM
Another 10/10 performance.

What else can you say?

He is in the form of his life and everything he does just comes off.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 09, 2023, 07:57:29 PM
In the post match interview SJM said that he had the same opportunity in a Europa game this season and laid it off. Said the Villa analysts advised him that for the same move to turn and shoot instead.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: paul_e on December 09, 2023, 07:58:43 PM
In the post match interview SJM said that he had the same opportunity in a Europa game this season and laid it off. Said the Villa analysts advised him that for the same move to turn and shoot instead.

an anecdote that explains perfectly why Emery is the real deal.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 09, 2023, 08:09:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAwaWQVXUAAM_yO?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: SaddVillan on December 09, 2023, 08:37:11 PM
Chelsea paid Bayer Leverkusen £75.8m for Havertz.
Arsenal paid Chelsea £65m for Havertz.

Villa paid Hibs £2.7m for Meatball.

Havertz's 36 goals for Arse/Chelski have each cost £3.91m

McGinn's 22 for Villa?
£122,727
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 09, 2023, 09:39:36 PM
Havertz has that many goals?? gosh
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: VillaTim on December 09, 2023, 09:42:07 PM
What a guy, what a captain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 09, 2023, 09:58:03 PM
Personally, I had John McGinn as player of the match.
Unbelievable work rate, performance, and leader.
Brilliant from start to finish and wonderful goal.
He's banned the T (title) word, but he's leading and delivering first-class performances worthy of a title winning team

Wonderful swivel for the goal he took it so well with great instincts.
Ginny is looking forward to his two days off, acknowledging the manager's fairness in giving players some rest.

We've got McGinn! Super John McGinn!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Smirker on December 09, 2023, 10:02:23 PM
Agree Footy. Glad you enjoyed it, enjoy the rest of your day mate  8)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 09, 2023, 11:06:24 PM
Agree Footy. Glad you enjoyed it, enjoy the rest of your day mate  8)
And you enjoy the wonderful weekend ! What a week it's been!!

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 09, 2023, 11:06:31 PM
After the game, Ginny said the manager is ambitious and that if players aren't going to be at the level of ambition of Emery, he'll bring them in.
Emery has improved the players by teaching them positional play and organisation, but I also credit many, including McGinn, who have learned, developed, stepped up, and improved considerably.
.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: darren woolley on December 09, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
He put in a brilliant performance again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 09, 2023, 11:58:49 PM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AGRIPPA on December 10, 2023, 12:08:47 AM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
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Who’s King Kenny??
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 10, 2023, 12:15:18 AM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.

Who’s King Kenny??

It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Villan82 on December 10, 2023, 12:18:12 AM
SJM has surged into my top five players of all time.

Been with us from the championship and stuck with us. All heart, tenacity and a hell of a lot of skill. An all-rounder. I desperately want him to either lift us a trophy or lead us out in the Champions league.

A big call this, but for me he is probably our player of the past 25 years (if he does one of those).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: not3bad on December 10, 2023, 12:26:37 AM
Mcginn, Captain's performance again. Player of the match again.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2023, 12:36:20 AM
SJM has surged into my top five players of all time.

Been with us from the championship and stuck with us. All heart, tenacity and a hell of a lot of skill. An all-rounder. I desperately want him to either lift us a trophy or lead us out in the Championship.

A big call this, but for me he is probably our player of the past 25 years (if he does one of those).

He's certainly eclipsed another player that I think he was mates with.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: monteddie on December 10, 2023, 01:55:52 AM
First time poster, A hibby who has followed Villa since the Des Bremner days.

Very proud of Meatball, brilliant player who never fails to give 100% on top of that a Captain who has it all,. Your lads are doing the talking on the park, but he shines on and off. His after-match interview are brilliant, anyone looking in from the outside cannot fail to be impressed!
Looking forward to following you lot in the Champions League!!

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Rory on December 10, 2023, 02:25:44 AM
First time poster, A hibby who has followed Villa since the Des Bremner days.

Very proud of Meatball, brilliant player who never fails to give 100% on top of that a Captain who has it all,. Your lads are doing the talking on the park, but he shines on and off. His after-match interview are brilliant, anyone looking in from the outside cannot fail to be impressed!
Looking forward to following you lot in the Champions League!!

Welcome, mate!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: supertom on December 10, 2023, 10:58:25 AM
McGinn has seemed indefatigable this season but last night he looked like his legs were on the verge of saying enough is enough. He still found those moments to really press and harry and break forward. Incredible. I'd rest on him Thursday along with a handful of the other players who've cranked up a lot of minutes. We've got a few coming back and some who've just broken into the team who could benefit from the minutes. SGM, Dougie, Ollie and King Konsa deserve a break.

Absolutely superb. There's not really another player like him who can do what he does and of all the wondrous sights to see at the Villa right now, perhaps my favourite is the McGinn spin. It's majestic.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 12:14:40 PM
First time poster, A hibby who has followed Villa since the Des Bremner days.

Very proud of Meatball, brilliant player who never fails to give 100% on top of that a Captain who has it all,. Your lads are doing the talking on the park, but he shines on and off. His after-match interview are brilliant, anyone looking in from the outside cannot fail to be impressed!
Looking forward to following you lot in the Champions League!!

Welcome, mate!
Hello Hibby! Did you see the Europa playoffs matches?

El Professor is teaching his captain well.
On the Goal yesterday.
After Ginny had previously been in a similar position and found himself with a chance in the box via Bailey, the analysts advised him that the next time he gets in that position, he should touch with his right foot, turn to his left, and shoot with his left foot as he had previously turned to his right. That he did take note of body positioning is credit to him and the coaches.


Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 12:15:32 PM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.

Who’s King Kenny??

It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
What's Rawk?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on December 10, 2023, 12:36:08 PM
At £2.5m, pound for pound he could be the best signing in our history.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 12:38:23 PM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.

Who’s King Kenny??

It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
What's Rawk?

Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 10, 2023, 12:42:49 PM
First time poster, A hibby who has followed Villa since the Des Bremner days.

Very proud of Meatball, brilliant player who never fails to give 100% on top of that a Captain who has it all,. Your lads are doing the talking on the park, but he shines on and off. His after-match interview are brilliant, anyone looking in from the outside cannot fail to be impressed!
Looking forward to following you lot in the Champions League!!
Welcome
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 10, 2023, 01:27:18 PM
McGinn has seemed indefatigable this season but last night he looked like his legs were on the verge of saying enough is enough. He still found those moments to really press and harry and break forward. Incredible. I'd rest on him Thursday along with a handful of the other players who've cranked up a lot of minutes. We've got a few coming back and some who've just broken into the team who could benefit from the minutes. SGM, Dougie, Ollie and King Konsa deserve a break.

Absolutely superb. There's not really another player like him who can do what he does and of all the wondrous sights to see at the Villa right now, perhaps my favourite is the McGinn spin. It's majestic.
Sorry, but I disagree, we do have another player that's similar to SJM, and that's JJ when fit.
To have both of them, one on the right & one on the left, carrying/driving the ball through multiple opposition players is a thing of beauty.
We've got to 3rd without JJ, as he comes back into form I hope that's the extra spark that makes us contenders.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 01:28:54 PM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.

Who’s King Kenny??

It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
What's Rawk?

Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Thanks.
Interesting title.
I never view them as red and white

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 01:51:59 PM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.

Who’s King Kenny??

It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
What's Rawk?

Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Thanks.
Interesting title.
I never view them as red and white

Well the kop is normally red and white as the home city isn't seen as multicultural as Birmingham... :P
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 13, 2023, 09:29:27 AM
Super John McGinn has scored 4 goals in the Prem this season, already outperforming his goal scoring numbers -as it's his best return in a single season.

I think could be looking at 8 to 10 goals+ for Ginny this season. In the Prem.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 13, 2023, 05:10:27 PM
The John McGinn Story

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 14, 2023, 12:29:56 AM
Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Thanks.
Interesting title.
I never view them as red and white

They wore white shorts until 1964. Shankly changed their kit to all red as he thought it would make the players would look more imposing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: algy on December 14, 2023, 08:04:49 AM
First time poster, A hibby who has followed Villa since the Des Bremner days.

Very proud of Meatball, brilliant player who never fails to give 100% on top of that a Captain who has it all,. Your lads are doing the talking on the park, but he shines on and off. His after-match interview are brilliant, anyone looking in from the outside cannot fail to be impressed!
Looking forward to following you lot in the Champions League!!
Heya, welcome. There's a certain level of mutual affection here - whilst I was living up in Scotland I'd go and watch Hibs a fair bit.

Not been such a bad season for your lot so far either. Hopefully you'll keep it going for the rest of the season & get back in to Europe :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: purpletrousers on December 15, 2023, 12:07:11 AM
The John McGinn Story



Thank you Rudy, really enjoyed that!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: JD on December 15, 2023, 07:03:41 AM
The John McGinn Story



That's fantastic RCF.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Axl Rose on December 15, 2023, 08:20:17 AM
I was never a massive Mcginn fan, and never understood the adoration for him. I got the whole scoring a goal in the playoff final thing, but didn't really rate him that highly. The whole Christmas turkey thing and how funny fans found it just left me cold. I'm a cynical ******, I know.

But since Emery came in, and particularly this season, he's been superb.

I wanted him out under Gerrard. He was shite. But I'm feasting on humble pie now and it tastes delicious.

Fantastic, John.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Axl Rose on December 15, 2023, 08:21:27 AM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.

Who’s King Kenny??

It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
What's Rawk?

Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Thanks.
Interesting title.
I never view them as red and white



I just view them as sub human scum
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Bad English on December 15, 2023, 09:02:00 AM
That escalated normally.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Bad English on December 15, 2023, 09:03:19 AM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.

Who’s King Kenny??

It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
What's Rawk?

Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Thanks.
Interesting title.
I never view them as red and white
Correct. Everton are white.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: hipkiss92 on December 15, 2023, 02:45:23 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: LeeB on December 15, 2023, 03:05:58 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP

Paywalled, could you share?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: OCD on December 15, 2023, 04:51:15 PM
Emery said in the press conference that there's more to come from him. I look forward to it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: KNVillan on December 15, 2023, 06:04:27 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP

Paywalled, could you share?

Fill your boots
https://archive.ph/31Jit
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: purpletrousers on December 16, 2023, 05:20:22 AM
Loving the BraveArse love-in :)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: purpletrousers on December 16, 2023, 03:19:12 PM
Loving the BraveArse love-in :)

Just been sent this by a Scottish Buddhist friend, from the Tartan Army FB group:

(https://i.ibb.co/G3xCwVV/IMG-4867.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G3xCwVV)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 16, 2023, 05:41:01 PM
A stat that came up on the latest Claret And Blue podcast was that for what Chelsea paid for Caicedo and Enzo Fernández you could get 111 John McGinns based on how much we signed him for.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Mister E on December 16, 2023, 07:07:22 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP)

Paywalled, could you share?
Fill your boots
https://archive.ph/31Jit (https://archive.ph/31Jit)
I note the first-paragraph references the Rear of the Year award: just as an aside, I presented said award to Melinda Messenger in - I think -1998.
A lovely woman she was.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV82EC on December 16, 2023, 07:33:40 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP)

Paywalled, could you share?
Fill your boots
https://archive.ph/31Jit (https://archive.ph/31Jit)
I note the first-paragraph references the Rear of the Year award: just as an aside, I presented said award to Melinda Messenger in - I think -1998.
A lovely woman she was.

I still prefer Sean Locks "Rectum of the Year".
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 16, 2023, 07:47:51 PM
I note the first-paragraph references the Rear of the Year award: just as an aside, I presented said award to Melinda Messenger in - I think -1998.
A lovely woman she was.

And a great customer services manager. All things considered, probably preferable to present the award to her rather than Michael Barrymore, Richard Fairbrass or Frank Skinner.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: olaftab on December 16, 2023, 08:15:27 PM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.

Who’s King Kenny??

It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
What's Rawk?

Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
What’s a FORUM?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Border villan on December 16, 2023, 08:18:05 PM
Ask Frankie Howard.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: OCD on December 17, 2023, 11:45:20 AM
A stat that came up on the latest Claret And Blue podcast was that for what Chelsea paid for Caicedo and Enzo Fernández you could get 111 John McGinns based on how much we signed him for.

I'd settle for 11 John McGinn's.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on January 12, 2024, 01:28:01 PM
SJM on being a Captain?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67959508

As he mentions the Captain speaks to the manager about players, I wonder whether that was why Carpethead took against Mings on something that was raised.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 02:36:44 PM
The problem at the time with Gerrard was the way he handled it. McGinn wasn't playing well enough to justify being first choice, let alone captain, and there was absolutely no need for the manager to fall out with Mings and then bring it into the public domain.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2024, 02:46:52 PM
The problem at the time with Gerrard was the way he handled everything

fixed
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 02:49:11 PM
The problem at the time with Gerrard was the way he handled everything

fixed

Well, even in jest, that's not true. Kamara for example.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on January 12, 2024, 02:54:21 PM
The problem at the time was Gerrard

fixed
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on January 12, 2024, 02:55:13 PM
The problem at the time with Gerrard was the way he handled everything

fixed

Well, even in jest, that's not true. Kamara for example.

Has he got something on you?  ;)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2024, 02:57:28 PM
The problem at the time with Gerrard was the way he handled everything

fixed

Well, even in jest, that's not true. Kamara for example.

Has he got something on you?  ;)

Look at fucking Risso backing up his mate Gerrard. Sad day. He'll be telling us Garde was solid next.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 03:02:15 PM
I fucking loved Garde me, not as much as O'Leary, obvs, but it's a close run thing. Personally I'd be sacking Emery and bring back Eric Black though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: LeeB on January 12, 2024, 03:07:47 PM
I fucking loved Garde me, not as much as O'Leary, obvs, but it's a close run thing. Personally I'd be sacking Emery and bring back Eric Black though.

Pauliewalnuts best mate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 03:14:45 PM
I fucking loved Garde me, not as much as O'Leary, obvs, but it's a close run thing. Personally I'd be sacking Emery and bring back Eric Black though.

Pauliewalnuts best mate.

Everybody's best mate. Well not the Villa players who looked a bit foreign, but apart from them.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2024, 05:23:26 PM
Meatball on his accent/making himself understood by teammates:

"Leon told me "Bro...14 months until I learned what you were saying..."  ;D
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2024, 11:57:21 PM
Hadn’t seen this pic before. Mini SJM


(https://i.ibb.co/7XwT7fr/IMG-1709.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7XwT7fr)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 17, 2024, 12:52:34 PM
I hope he is fully recharged when he comes back as he has looked knackered latley - ever since the monumental efforts against City and Arsenal

Although that could be laid at a good few of them to be honest
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Richard on January 17, 2024, 02:04:17 PM
I assume they've all gone away this week and back in training Monday 22nd?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2024, 02:07:09 PM
Hadn’t seen this pic before. Mini SJM


(https://i.ibb.co/7XwT7fr/IMG-1709.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7XwT7fr)


He looks a little like Simon Barlow off Corrie.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV84 on January 17, 2024, 02:22:23 PM
I assume they've all gone away this week and back in training Monday 22nd?

There was a video put up yesterday of a little kid from Jr Bake Off giving Pau Torres a birthday cake at Bodymoor. Not sure when they filmed it but his birthday was yesterday. So some of them are still around. Doesn't mean they're training, I suppose.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 18, 2024, 01:12:05 AM
I assume Pau will stick around to get some treatment for his injury.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2024, 03:00:31 PM
Successful Take-Ons
1.   Jeremy Doku 51
2.   Matheus Cunha 50
3.   Kudus Mohammed 46
4.   Eberechi Eze 43
5.    John McGinn 42

Progressive Passes
1.   Declan Rice • 195
2.   Bruno Fernandes and Zinchenko • 191
4.   Rodri • 188
5.   Pascal Groß • 174
6.   Martin Ødegaard • 160
7.   Bruno Guimarães • 153
8.   Trent Alexander-Arnold • 144
9.   Billy Gilmour • 138
10.   John McGinn • 137

Fouls Drawn
1.   Jordan Ayew 69
2.   Bruno Guimarães 62
3.   Bukayo Saka 45
4.   Anthony Gordon 43
5.   Lucas Paquetá 42
6.   João Pedro • 41
7.   John McGinn • 40
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2024, 06:09:36 PM
Scoring the 1st against Sheffield United that's 6 goals scored this season best ever scoring season in the Prem.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 06, 2024, 05:21:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFkMz3lXgAAhMDx?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFkM0gEWQAADMzr?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Dogtanian on February 06, 2024, 06:04:42 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 06, 2024, 06:07:59 PM
Scoring the 1st against Sheffield United that's 6 goals scored this season best ever scoring season in the Prem.

Footy, how many assists is he on now?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 06, 2024, 06:40:54 PM
Scoring the 1st against Sheffield United that's 6 goals scored this season best ever scoring season in the Prem.

Footy, how many assists is he on now?
League:
2 assists
6 goals
6 cards

2 goals in the Conference League makes his total goals scored 8.
I just wish Ginny would cut out his needless yellow cards as has been suspended once this season already. It could cost us if he doesn't adjust.

He's a much improved goal scorer this season which is great!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 06, 2024, 06:49:00 PM
Cheers Footy, thought he might have more assists than that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 06, 2024, 06:50:48 PM
8 goals though is very healthy though and McGinn should be making double figures total (all comps) this season

Seems Watkins does the assisting these days!
Leads the way with 10
Bailey 6
Luiz 4
Diaby 4
Tielemans 3
McGinn 2

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 06, 2024, 07:15:34 PM
If we calculate by the average, if Bailey had played as many minutes as Watkins he'd be on 17 assists.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 06, 2024, 07:37:50 PM
McGinn accuracy for scoring is exactly half his shots on target.  At.50 
6/12
And if Bailey had the minutes it would be even better at .58 goals to shots on target.
7/12
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2024, 09:57:54 PM
Cup match v Chelsea.
Was he carrying an injury?
Was pretty shocking and had expected him to be part of a dominating midfield.
Rightfully subbed.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Dogtanian on February 08, 2024, 08:09:37 AM
This is the issue with McGinn as captain.

He sinks when we are under the cosh. We need someone who will get the team and crowd worked up when we are in the shit, have some bite, and show that it's not okay to retreat into your shell when things are going wrong.

Mings has made the odd cock-up, but he knew how important this aspect of the game is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 08, 2024, 03:01:47 PM
In the first 5 mins he started like a man possessed, especially when he arsed over thier full back, but then his passing went west and he just retracted into an anonymous wreck.

Quite rightly hooked but it could of been at HT he was that poor.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2024, 03:15:55 PM
He can't do it all by himself though. He was the only starter who came out with any credit against Newcastle, and I put last night down to Luiz and Kamara being massively off it again, both of them. They neither protected the defence or got the ball up the pitch to the more attacking players. They're both brilliant players on their day, but they're both very "nice" and are getting found out when it comes to digging in and providing a bit of physicality.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 11, 2024, 12:20:27 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if McGinn's free kick routine hits the target today?
It would be unfair of me to say he'll score as well because I've already done my intuition forecast for Matty Cash to score.

However, Ginny could score from the free kick routine in which it's tapped to him he turns and he smashes it, as they must have been flying in training for him to keep having a go!
All that is required is proper execution and lift off!
I imagined it going in and the wild celebrations and everything!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on February 12, 2024, 01:18:16 AM
Your intuition forecasts of late have proven to be wholly inaccurate. Please would you stop doing them? It feels like you're constantly tempting fate and whilst I normally don't believe in that sort of thing, it's clearly not my pants and sock choice that's influencing our negative results.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: OCD on February 12, 2024, 10:11:17 AM
He just wants to be able to claim foresight when one actually lands (and ignore the 9 or 10 that didn't).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 10:13:15 AM
Footy, instead of coming out with these predictions, why don't you just keep schtum and instead put a bet on at the bookies for all of them?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 10:14:12 AM
I think we all know the answer to that one Risso!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2024, 10:16:07 AM
Footy, instead of coming out with these predictions, why don't you just keep schtum and instead put a bet on at the bookies for all of them?

Or just do them on VillaTalk.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 10:40:01 AM
Indeed, that's a very valid option.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 25, 2024, 09:08:42 PM
His right foot's a bit better than it used to be. Wouldn't think it was the same player, the quality of some of the balls he plays with it.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: eamonn on February 25, 2024, 09:44:56 PM
Yeah, was very impressed with that cross for the Fisherman's second goal. He and Bailey are using their right feet in the right manner now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 03:26:19 PM
Thanks captain for your red card today and your three match ban. Exactly what we needed
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 03:29:57 PM
Symptomatic of our mentality today. Idiotic and made a piss poor situation much worse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2024, 03:30:46 PM
He's a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2024, 03:40:48 PM
He's a fucking idiot.

Yep. Especially as he was one player actually doing OK. He’s let everybody down badly today, and even putting aside the humiliation of the result this afternoon, his three game ban really could bugger our top 5 hopes mire than anything else.

West Ham away and Wolves coming up who we always struggle against. Then Man City away where we’ll get another shoeing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 03:43:37 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Monty on March 10, 2024, 03:45:27 PM
The red absolutely turned that 2-0 into 4-0. When you're down a man you lose one 50-50 and boom, there's the space. Also massive psychologically. I thought it wasn't the most obvious red I've ever seen but that's only because he didn't manage to get his studs out, an insane challenge in the circumstances.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 03:49:51 PM
Its days like today where you nedd your captain to step up and he failed badly today.

Why he decided to do sonwthing so idiotic ill never know.  3 game ban what have you done john ffs?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: eamonn on March 10, 2024, 03:50:39 PM
It was stupid but I cut him some slack because it's his physicality and attitude that often wakes-up our slow, passive playing.

Just before the sending-off he was winning free-kicks and taking them quickly to get us in behind their defence.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 10, 2024, 03:51:30 PM
I think we all know the answer to that one Risso!

His religious beliefs?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: rougegorge on March 10, 2024, 03:53:35 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.
And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 03:56:16 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.
And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!

Yeah well that’s equally idiotic.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 04:00:36 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.
And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!

Wow that really is
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.
And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!

Well thats just pure embarrassing
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ez on March 10, 2024, 04:01:31 PM
Bad thing to do. Obviously out of sheer frustration. He knows when an important game is slipping away.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 10, 2024, 04:02:11 PM
Shame that one or two of his colleagues didn’t show the same claret and blue desire and determination today….
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2024, 04:04:08 PM
Desire and determination isn't measured by a poor tackle and getting the game ended as a contest just after the hour mark. He was shite today, like the rest of them, and had lost his head.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2024, 04:04:16 PM
Shame that one or two of his colleagues didn’t show the same claret and blue desire and determination today….

Yeah, we could've got the game abandoned and it'd have gone down as a 0-3 defeat.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: eamonn on March 10, 2024, 04:06:46 PM
Desire and determination isn't measured by a poor tackle and getting the game ended as a contest just after the hour mark. He was shite today, like the rest of them, and had lost his head.

Prior to his moment of madness, he was our our lad most likely to make a difference. We're going to miss his urgency a lot til April.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2024, 04:07:39 PM
And whose fault is that?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Monty on March 10, 2024, 04:10:06 PM
He was playing well in his way, which is energetic and all-action, but he totally lost his head and I don't know why that's somehow better than being lacklustre.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 04:19:35 PM
Id rather he was lackluster and not have a red then be a fool that loses his head and gets a three game ban.

Thats the second violent conduct red we have seen this season. Really really not good enough we need to be far more rational
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 10, 2024, 04:45:21 PM
Truth is there will be many fouls committed that are worse than that which won’t result in a red. That’s never a straight red.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2024, 04:47:44 PM
Yes it is.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: eamonn on March 10, 2024, 04:48:13 PM
And whose fault is that?

His, just as it's partially (big partially) down to him that we've done so well this season.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2024, 04:50:01 PM
And whose fault is that?

His, just as it's partially (big partially) down to him that we've done so well this season.

Without wanting to be too Roy Keane about it, that's his job. What his job doesn't involve is sitting on his admirable backside for three games because he's acted the ******.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Villan82 on March 10, 2024, 04:51:17 PM
Going to call it. McGinn will play out of his skin against Ajax. He will be gutted with himself for the lapse.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ian. on March 10, 2024, 04:53:21 PM
He lost his head, it was a crazy thing to do and we’re going to miss him hugely. It was far more mental than what Kamara did before Christmas as he nearly put that fella in row z.

I can only think giving them two goals has really done his head in and he lost the plot for a  second.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: eamonn on March 10, 2024, 04:57:15 PM
And whose fault is that?

His, just as it's partially (big partially) down to him that we've done so well this season.

Without wanting to be too Roy Keane about it, that's his job. What his job doesn't involve is sitting on his admirable backside for three games because he's acted the ******.

All I'm saying is that I cut him more slack because no one tries harder for us than he does. He's fucked-up and I'm sure when he's next interviewed, he'll admit that and look to make amends.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ian. on March 10, 2024, 05:00:42 PM
Yep, I’m sure you’re right eamonn, he’s going to be certainly gutted with his reaction as he certainly cares. I’m sure that’s what got the better of him, he saw red and lost all control of his emotions.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 10, 2024, 05:10:30 PM
He got the red card because he cares so much and gets frustrated when he's doing it on his own. Hew as visibly frustrated with some of his teammates . Thirty seconds before that  he chased down a lost cause which turned into a goal scoring opportunity.

As for him getting applauded off "by a few" - literally the whole Holte End sang his name after  he made the challenge - it was the loudest we were all game. It's a passionate game and it's part of the McGinn package - yes it was daft and reckless but that red mist descends sometimes and it's part of what makes him tick.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2024, 05:13:44 PM
I guess to be fair to those at Villa Park, they didn't see it in slow motion like we did. It was a red card, but it wasn't studs up or a leg breaker.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 10, 2024, 05:16:07 PM
I guess to be fair to those at Villa Park, they didn't see it in slow motion like we did. It was a red card, but it wasn't studs up or a leg breaker.

I certainly thought it was fucking stupid and reckless. But you see infringements like that where the player doesn’t go flying and a yellow is given. I can see why it was given. I just don’t think it merited a straight red when you see how much other stuff goes unpunished or only given as yellows.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Steve67 on March 10, 2024, 05:23:27 PM
Was a red card.  Won't be appealed.  Poor from SJM when he's been having a great season otherwise.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: brontebilly on March 10, 2024, 05:24:52 PM
It's probably an orange. McGinn wanted to make a mark on someone and it's a terrible tackle nowhere near the ball. But a red seemed a bit harsh. Anyway it won't be overturned and now we are proper f*cked in midfield. Iroegbunam is nowhere near the required level and I dread the thought of that work shy dosser Tielemans playing in a midfield two.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Chris Harte on March 10, 2024, 05:29:24 PM
I thought it was a yellow card, myself. It was reckless, and a clear foul, but giving a red card for that was poor by the referee.

He was also pretty much the only player in our team showing any urgency at this point.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 10, 2024, 05:34:49 PM
I guess to be fair to those at Villa Park, they didn't see it in slow motion like we did. It was a red card, but it wasn't studs up or a leg breaker.

I certainly thought it was fucking stupid and reckless. But you see infringements like that where the player doesn’t go flying and a yellow is given. I can see why it was given. I just don’t think it merited a straight red when you see how much other stuff goes unpunished or only given as yellows.

I haven't seen it again since, and the only replay I caught was from in front, but at the time I thought that if the ref had shown him a yellow card, the VAR wouldn't have sent him to the monitor.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Chris Harte on March 10, 2024, 05:37:39 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/19508/13091846/tempers-flare-after-ugly-mcginn-challenge-sees-straight-red
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2024, 05:41:19 PM
I thought it was a yellow card, myself. It was reckless, and a clear foul, but giving a red card for that was poor by the referee.

No it wasn't. An argument could plausibly be made that it was a yellow. The fact that it was a red was still completely fine though.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 05:49:41 PM
At first thought it was a yellow but thats a red. No attempt to get the ball whatsoever. Pathetic and ridiculous by mcginn. He should receive a fine from the club for that in my opinion. Its cost us today and probably will in next 3. Cheers John. As captain should be setting a example not to lose your head like that.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Chris Harte on March 10, 2024, 05:52:14 PM
At first thought it was a yellow but thats a red. No attempt to get the ball whatsoever. Pathetic and ridiculous by mcginn. He should receive a fine from the club for that in my opinion. Its cost us today and probably will in next 3. Cheers John. As captain should be setting a example not to lose your head like that.
He will get a fine for that, assuming it's not overturned. I think the poor defending cost us more.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: AV82EC on March 10, 2024, 06:05:35 PM
He’s owes us big time on Thursday night.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2024, 06:14:26 PM
He was the one trying to get the team going, he had the drive and determination. But that was stupid and pointless, especially in front of the benches.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2024, 06:14:54 PM
That's his first red for us in 205 games. That surprised me I have to say.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: walsall villain on March 10, 2024, 06:17:43 PM
He’s owes us big time on Thursday night.
It was rash but he’s competitive and it’s surprising he hasn’t seen red with us before. He owes me nothing, he’s been fantastic for us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Richard E on March 10, 2024, 06:18:26 PM
If the ref had given him a yellow I don’t think VAR would have upgraded it to a red.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: nick harper on March 10, 2024, 06:24:21 PM
It wasn’t high but it was probably interpreted as over aggressive. Many players get away with fouls when they clearly don’t go for the ball. If he’d have done it on the Witton lane side of the pitch, he may well have got away with a yellow.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 10, 2024, 06:27:59 PM
Half a minute before the foul he'd fought like mad to win the ball over in the corner, and get a cross in to the near post which was met with a kind of half hearted flick at the ball by one of our players (can't remember who) that came to nothing.  This seemed all too much for McGinn, who immediately charged away and went and did what he did.  As McGinn was leaving the field, the cameras panned onto Konsa, who was close to McGinn, looking straight at him, and pointing to his (Konsa's) head. It was hard to tell whether Konsa was offering empathy or not.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2024, 06:29:08 PM
Nah that's not a red for me. Soft game these days.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Grande Pablo on March 10, 2024, 06:31:56 PM
Can't complain for me.  He can flog himself on Thursday in beating Ajax with 3 games of rest looming.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 10, 2024, 06:32:34 PM
That's his first red for us in 205 games. That surprised me I have to say.

And that says a lot. He’s seen some shit since joining us. So for that to be a snapping point shows how angry he’d become at himself and the team. He’s built this game up in the media too as really important. He lost his head because he gave a fuck. Just that it came across in a way that didn’t ultimately help us today or for a few games to come.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2024, 06:33:05 PM
It was stupid but I cut him some slack because it's his physicality and attitude that often wakes-up our slow, passive playing.

Just before the sending-off he was winning free-kicks and taking them quickly to get us in behind their defence.

Just before the red he also got down the byline and hit a decent cross. Think he was annoyed Zaniolo and others were just standing waiting for the ball rather than one making a near post run (I mention Zaniolo as he was the nearest to McGinn and the goal).

He was our best player today. If he just trips Udogie it's just a yellow. The issue was the ridiculous force he went in with. Surprised a few are still saying it's a yellow as that's exactly the type of foul that needs to be taken out of football.

Believe it or not but other teams do get players sent off for those challenges so it's not some sort of conspiracy.

Is that McGinn's first ever red for us? He gets booked plenty but always tends to manage himself o.k when on a yellow so he'll have to learn from this and make sure he dosen't do anything like that in games in May as that will really cost us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: TonyD on March 10, 2024, 06:33:24 PM
He will be missed. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2024, 06:34:37 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.
And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!

That's pretty much the law isn't it? Fans by the tunnel will always give a standing ovation to a player sent off even if they've committed GBH!

Was the same when Dublin got sent off v SHA all those years ago.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 06:38:47 PM
He’s owes us big time on Thursday night.
It was rash but he’s competitive and it’s surprising he hasn’t seen red with us before. He owes me nothing, he’s been fantastic for us.

Fantastic yes but now we have missing for four games including today. So all that good work could have been all been for nothing.

I think he owes us a performance vs ajax before his break off
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ez on March 10, 2024, 06:41:33 PM
Well he's not always on it when he plays so someone else will get a chance.
I'm desperately trying to look for positives.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2024, 06:44:13 PM
Not sure what we do now. Iroegbunam is miles off being good enough, and Tielemans (the world’s oldest 26 year old) hasn’t got the legs to play centrally. Maybe Ramsey if he’s fit.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 10, 2024, 06:47:34 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.
And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!

That's pretty much the law isn't it? Fans by the tunnel will always give a standing ovation to a player sent off even if they've committed GBH!

Was the same when Dublin got sent off v SHA all those years ago.

In Dublin's case he should get an OBE for nutting Robbie Savage , a standing ovation just wasnt enough
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 10, 2024, 06:48:26 PM
He’s owes us big time on Thursday night.
It was rash but he’s competitive and it’s surprising he hasn’t seen red with us before. He owes me nothing, he’s been fantastic for us.

Agree.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 06:50:26 PM
If ramsey isnt fit it will be timmy but do we still have o reilly?? He looks a prospect. Sanson would have been handy about now
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 10, 2024, 06:58:25 PM
If the ref had given him a yellow I don’t think VAR would have upgraded it to a red.
That is how I saw it. It was a definite foul but and I expected a yellow card.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 10, 2024, 07:01:41 PM
He had just a done a load of closing down without support from a very lost looking Diaby and the adrenaline was pumping way too much. It was a stupid challenge and the loss of him for three games is much more of a problem than the lost three points today. It also cost us the goal difference deficit. I love him but it was a ridiculous thing to do.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2024, 07:04:11 PM
Not sure what we do now. Iroegbunam is miles off being good enough, and Tielemans (the world’s oldest 26 year old) hasn’t got the legs to play centrally. Maybe Ramsey if he’s fit.

Tim needs to be given a chance. Yes he's raw in a few aspects but that's the whole point of young players, you develop them by giving them decent game time.

People been slagging off Howe and Ten Hag all season but both at least have given young players like Miley and Mainoo regular starts and in very big games aswell so time for us to do that now rather than going with starting formations the players really aren't that comfortable with.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2024, 07:04:15 PM
If ramsey isnt fit it will be timmy but do we still have o reilly?? He looks a prospect.

He's on loan at Real Union, where he's played one match.

I reckon he's about as read to play against Man City, Wolves and West Ham as your average matchday mascot.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: brontebilly on March 10, 2024, 07:21:15 PM
Not sure what we do now. Iroegbunam is miles off being good enough, and Tielemans (the world’s oldest 26 year old) hasn’t got the legs to play centrally. Maybe Ramsey if he’s fit.

Tim needs to be given a chance. Yes he's raw in a few aspects but that's the whole point of young players, you develop them by giving them decent game time.

People been slagging off Howe and Ten Hag all season but both at least have given young players like Miley and Mainoo regular starts and in very big games aswell so time for us to do that now rather than going with starting formations the players really aren't that comfortable with.

Tim got a start against a 'bang average' Ajax team midweek and was lost. To be fair to Emery, look through our bench and there aren't any hard luck stories with not being picked. Tielemans is starting because noone else is showing any bit of form.

McGinn will be a colossal loss.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Holy Trinity on March 10, 2024, 07:38:46 PM
Rush of blood thats most likely cost us 4th after the 3 game ban.

All players have moments like this from time to time, he's no exception. But he's got an enormous amount of credit in the bank and he can now have a rest for a few weeks and be like a man possessed when he's back in the team.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2024, 07:51:22 PM
Being a man possessed is what caused today's infraction.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Holy Trinity on March 10, 2024, 11:11:22 PM
Being a man possessed is what caused today's infraction.

I think it was probably Italy beating Scotland yesterday that did him in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: adrenachrome on March 11, 2024, 12:36:07 AM
He was trying to do a technical foul, but his frustration spilled over.

It's all very well playing with your heart and emotion, but there is a downside. That's why I always use to say keep him away from our final third.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: itbrvilla on March 11, 2024, 07:34:02 AM
Why did we sell Donk given the state of the squad?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Villafirst on March 11, 2024, 07:50:05 AM
Why did we sell Donk given the state of the squad?

Agree. Then came Kamara's ACL injury shortly after and now McGinn's 3 game suspension leaves the midfield looking threadbare. I think Diego Carlos can play as a DM? - this might be necessary to add some physicality to the midfield. Thoughts?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: simboy on March 11, 2024, 07:57:31 AM
Chambers played defensive midfielder for Fulham.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ozzjim on March 11, 2024, 08:00:16 AM
It was a yellow and a talking to, anywhere else on the pitch, it is a yellow. Right in front of the Spurs bench - gets him the red.

I would have been pissed too with the lack of urgency some of our lot were showing.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2024, 08:04:31 AM
Looking back today, it’s nowhere near as bad as I thought it was at the time.

We were very careless after halftime though. We came out far too sluggish and Spurs obviously responded to their half time talk quicker than us.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2024, 08:05:27 AM
Why did we sell Donk given the state of the squad?

He wasn’t good enough. He can’t get in the team over there in that shit league.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ozzjim on March 11, 2024, 08:11:37 AM
Looking back today, it’s nowhere near as bad as I thought it was at the time.

We were very careless after halftime though. We came out far too sluggish and Spurs obviously responded to their half time talk quicker than us.

Worst thing is, we all knew we would be shit for 5 minutes after half time. Said to my lad at the ground, first 5 second half are vital as we have been sloppy after half time so often.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 11, 2024, 08:29:24 AM
Why did we sell Donk given the state of the squad?

He wasn’t good enough. He can’t get in the team over there in that shit league.

He is no world beater, but he played a good chunk of the winning run which got us into Europe last season, covering for Kamara. He played in our two best performances last season (Brentford home, Newcastle home).

Most importantly, he is an experienced international who knows how to play in a critical position for which we have no cover. If we had sold him in January, it would have made more sense. But loaning him out looked daft at the time and so it has proved.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2024, 08:53:31 AM
Dendoncker is not the answer.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 11, 2024, 09:23:02 AM
Dendoncker is not the answer.

I am not sure what this even means. I am not saying he would be our first choice as we look to improve, but he would have been a better option that shifting to a back five that the team are unfamiliar with, negating McGinn's attacking threat and now throwing an untried kid into the starting XI, possibly alongside the changed formation if Ramsey remains out.

The evidence is there, his presence in Kamara's absence last season was not detrimental to the side. We left to squad too light in midfield, so much so that two injuries meant five at the back.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2024, 09:25:02 AM
Agree with OB. The Donk wasn't the greatest or most mobile player, but he could pass and was a physical presence. He'd absolutely be starting the next three games while McGinn is out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2024, 09:27:25 AM
Agree with OB. The Donk wasn't the greatest or most mobile player, but he could pass and was a physical presence. He'd absolutely be starting the next three games while McGinn is out.

He's certainly a much more sensible option currently than Tim would be - and before anyone weighs in, I am not writing Tim off, I am happy to see him get game time, but I'd much rather it wasn't under these circumstances, at this point in the season, with where things are poised.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 11, 2024, 09:28:40 AM
Dendoncker is not the answer.
Not having a central midfield isn’t either.
Hopefully he saw Tim as a better option.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 11, 2024, 09:53:03 AM
Dendoncker is not the answer.
Not having a central midfield isn’t either.
Hopefully he saw Tim as a better option.

If he does, he needs to play him in the system that's got us to where we are. There's no point throwing a kid into a system that the experienced players haven't got a clue how to play either.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: sid1964 on March 11, 2024, 09:57:54 AM
We will now see if Tim has a future with us in the Premier League.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 11, 2024, 09:59:20 AM
Agree with OB. The Donk wasn't the greatest or most mobile player, but he could pass and was a physical presence. He'd absolutely be starting the next three games while McGinn is out.
Agree with OB. The Donk wasn't the greatest or most mobile player, but he could pass and was a physical presence. He'd absolutely be starting the next three games while McGinn is out.

He's certainly a much more sensible option currently than Tim would be - and before anyone weighs in, I am not writing Tim off, I am happy to see him get game time, but I'd much rather it wasn't under these circumstances, at this point in the season, with where things are poised.

Yes I’ll be honest I haven’t seen much of Tim but I had assumed they saw him as more advanced in his development since they’ve left him exposed. McGinn has really badly let us down. Yesterday was horrible, but had we just lost 2-0 without a sending off we could have moved on fairly quickly. Now McGinn has left us with a major problem for 3 games, and if we don’t get a good points return in two of those (the Citeh game is a bit of a no hoper) it could be fatal for our top 4 hopes.


Fair or not Tim is going to have to step up.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2024, 10:12:11 AM
Having watched it again, you see Udogie carries on then falls over, so for me, McGinns red card rescinded and a yellow to Udogie for simulation.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Rigadon on March 11, 2024, 10:14:15 AM
Having watched it again, you see Udogie carries on then falls over, so for me, McGinns red card rescinded and a yellow to Udogie for simulation.

It would be funny...  At least one of their players should've been booked for the reaction.  Brennan Johnson for one.  But of course they weren't.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 11, 2024, 10:21:26 AM
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Having watched it again, you see Udogie carries on then falls over, so for me, McGinns red card rescinded and a yellow to Udogie for simulation.

It was a red but i agree he should ahve been booked for that. We never get pens or spurs rarely gets reds against us. I bet if a spurs player did that to one of ours he would have got a yellow
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Chris Smith on March 11, 2024, 11:18:49 AM
If that had happened on the other side of the pitch away from their dugout then in all probability it would have been a yellow card at most.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2024, 11:31:11 AM
If that had happened on the other side of the pitch away from their dugout then in all probability it would have been a yellow card at most.

At the time it looked like a minimum booking to me, and when red was waved I wasn't surprised.

Their reaction, including the play acting of the victim didn't help at all. Having seen the replay since, I'd have said yellow was fairer, and if it had been on the other side of the pitch a yellow would have been given, with no intervention from VAR.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: chrisw1 on March 11, 2024, 11:39:34 AM
It was the sheer speed / force of the challenge that was the problem.  It was cynical, reckless and he endangered the player.  I'd have wanted a red if it was against us.  A bit less force and clearly just a yellow, but I can see why the ref gave it.

The reaction of the Spurs players and bench didn't help, but that's par for the course now.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2024, 11:41:18 AM
I hope the players do that thing they do at rough schools, where they make a tunnel, force him to walk through it, then give him a good kicking. Konsa too. Then Emery.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: simboy on March 11, 2024, 11:44:09 AM
I hope the players do that thing they do at rough schools, where they make a tunnel, force him to walk through it, then give him a good kicking. Konsa too. Then Emery.

if they did that after yesterday's game there would be no one to form the tunnel
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2024, 11:48:03 AM
I hope the players do that thing they do at rough schools, where they make a tunnel, force him to walk through it, then give him a good kicking. Konsa too. Then Emery.

if they did that after yesterday's game there would be no one to form the tunnel

Ah, that's a good point actually. Maybe it could be a continually moving one, where the players at the front run round to the back for their (fully deserved) turn?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: LeeB on March 11, 2024, 11:51:23 AM
I hope the players do that thing they do at rough schools, where they make a tunnel, force him to walk through it, then give him a good kicking. Konsa too. Then Emery.

if they did that after yesterday's game there would be no one to form the tunnel

Ah, that's a good point actually. Maybe it could be a continually moving one, where the players at the front run round to the back for their (fully deserved) turn?

A human centipede of arse kicking would've been appropriate yesterday.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Mister E on March 11, 2024, 01:25:39 PM
When I saw it from the Holte end yesterday, I thought it might be a red. Having seen it today it's clear the ref - like the one last Thursday - reacts to the outcome rather than the incident. He responds to the Udogie roll and the reaction of the Spuds' bench not to the fact that McGinn took the player out but with his thighs not his feet; he stayed on his feet throughout it, and it wasn't in any way endangering Udogie.
Poor refereeing and no apparent input from the lino.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 11, 2024, 01:28:56 PM
Not McGinn related but someone mentioned Brennan Johnson who's a right goofy ****** and fits in well at that twat of a club.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 11, 2024, 01:38:12 PM
It was as clear a red card as you'd ever see, McGinn just raced at the bloke like a man possessed, with the single aim of taking him out.  I mentioned it earlier in the thread, that as McGinn was trudging off the field Konsa was close by, looking directly at McGinn, pointing at his (Konsa's) head.  It wasn't easy to discern what the gesture from Konsa was meant to signify, but it didn't entirely look like Konsa giving him a whole lot of support!  Konsa it was of course who'd screwed up badly for the second goal, so all in all it kind of looked a bit dysfunctional.     
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 11, 2024, 01:40:23 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2024, 01:58:49 PM
"SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."

It was a red card all day long. Not a studs up leg-breaker, but there was no attempt to play the ball and there was definitely excessive force. I wouldn't have wanted to be on the end of it anyway.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 11, 2024, 02:01:50 PM
There's a still online somewhere that shows the moment of impact. McGinn only has eyes for the player, the ball's miles away and he's not interested. It's as red as you like.

Edit: here it is.
(https://i.ibb.co/DGmZq1B/Screenshot-2024-03-11-16-04-24.png) (https://ibb.co/DGmZq1B)

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 11, 2024, 02:24:04 PM
Yep.  At the time i thought it was harsh but after seeing it properly in  a more rational state thats a clear red. Dangerous and lathtuc from our experienced captain. Should know better and i hope the club fine him as he deserves it after letting us down with that reckless decision that cost us dearly.

Now he costs us in the next 3 at a very crucial period.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 11, 2024, 02:37:20 PM
Yep.  At the time i thought it was harsh but after seeing it properly in  a more rational state thats a clear red. Dangerous and lathtuc from our experienced captain. Should know better and i hope the club fine him as he deserves it after letting us down with that reckless decision that cost us dearly.

Now he costs us in the next 3 at a very crucial period.

Lets see if we lose them before stating we have.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2024, 03:06:55 PM
There's a still online somewhere that shows the moment of impact. McGinn only has eyes for the player, the ball's miles away and he's not interested. It's as red as you like.

Edit: here it is.
(https://i.ibb.co/DGmZq1B/Screenshot-2024-03-11-16-04-24.png) (https://ibb.co/DGmZq1B)



I'm surprised you're able to decipher what he's looking at and what he's intending with the look based on that photo.

It was a shit challenge, absolutely worthy of a card. On many days a yellow would have been given, yesterday it was red. I don't think anyone is saying anything much different.

If that had been a yellow, it could have been the challenge that sparked us into life.

I'd say he took his legs, bit there were no studs, no leg was planted, he just took him out. Nobody would want to be on the receiving end of one, but then you'd argue the same about many of his legitimate tackles!!
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: OCD on March 11, 2024, 03:10:20 PM
It's the reaction from the Spurs players and bench that made up the ref's mind to give red, rather than yellow. He could have given a yellow and given the VAR the chance to review it and call him over to the monitor if they felt it needed upgrading to red.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Ads on March 11, 2024, 03:11:49 PM
It's done now and we all deal with the consequences. Let's hope for consistency going forwards for other incidents of "excessive brutality". Bunch of wee fannys.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Rigadon on March 11, 2024, 03:13:28 PM
It's the reaction from the Spurs players and bench that made up the ref's mind to give red, rather than yellow. He could have given a yellow and given the VAR the chance to review it and call him over to the monitor if they felt it needed upgrading to red.

I think it was a red and would’ve been called one if it had gone to VAR.  that said, at least a couple of the spurs players who were shoving and grabbing McGinn by the neck should also have been at least booked.  Not one of them was though. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 11, 2024, 03:15:35 PM
As much as anything, he could have injured himself. It reminded me of Gascoigne in 1991, charging in and swiping. McGinn went absolutely flying about the impact.

He's the player he is because he's so competitive and tenacious but that on this occasion, he crossed the line. He's not done it before and I'm sure he won't do it again. But our midfield without him is going to be a bit scary over the next few games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 11, 2024, 03:16:54 PM
Yep.  At the time i thought it was harsh but after seeing it properly in  a more rational state thats a clear red. Dangerous and lathtuc from our experienced captain. Should know better and i hope the club fine him as he deserves it after letting us down with that reckless decision that cost us dearly.

Now he costs us in the next 3 at a very crucial period.

Lets see if we lose them before stating we have.

Well if yesterday was anything to go by id say the probability is extremely high
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: usav on March 11, 2024, 03:17:26 PM
Has he apologised?  He should.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 11, 2024, 03:42:43 PM
Yep.  At the time i thought it was harsh but after seeing it properly in  a more rational state thats a clear red. Dangerous and lathtuc from our experienced captain. Should know better and i hope the club fine him as he deserves it after letting us down with that reckless decision that cost us dearly.

Now he costs us in the next 3 at a very crucial period.

Lets see if we lose them before stating we have.

Well if yesterday was anything to go by id say the probability is extremely high

Or we look at the season as a whole and we haven't followed up a league loss with another loss. Of course it could happen, but why take one match and use that as the guide for how all the other matches will go?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: chrisw1 on March 11, 2024, 03:47:05 PM
Has he apologised?  He should.
I don't get the constant demand for apologies in the current world.  It's almost an obsession.  I imagine he's far more pissed off about the sending-off and result than you are. 
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: usav on March 11, 2024, 03:56:38 PM
Has he apologised?  He should.
I don't get the constant demand for apologies in the current world.  It's almost an obsession.  I imagine he's far more pissed off about the sending-off and result than you are.

Nonsense.  He's the club captain and is supposed to lead by example.  Ignoring the immediate mess he left us in yesterday, he has fucked us over for the next 3 games.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2024, 04:02:25 PM
Had this been done on the Witton side versus right by the opposing bench it might have been given as a yellow. I can see the argument for a red. But way worse challenges get given yellows.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 11, 2024, 04:48:47 PM
Yep.  At the time i thought it was harsh but after seeing it properly in  a more rational state thats a clear red. Dangerous and lathtuc from our experienced captain. Should know better and i hope the club fine him as he deserves it after letting us down with that reckless decision that cost us dearly.

Now he costs us in the next 3 at a very crucial period.

Lets see if we lose them before stating we have.

Well if yesterday was anything to go by id say the probability is extremely high

Or we look at the season as a whole and we haven't followed up a league loss with another loss. Of course it could happen, but why take one match and use that as the guide for how all the other matches will go?

I dont agree with that.  We have entered a very important part of the season and we have no kamara and potentially no JJ. Now with no mcginn its a absolute disaster in Cm as we are down to the bare bones thanks to his stupidity. A captain sets the example. If we lose the next few matches the mcginn red will be a main factor in that.

Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Clampy on March 11, 2024, 05:07:04 PM
Like I said yesterday, losing Mcginn felt worse than losing the game for me but it's done. Spurs played their part in getting him sent off. He'll be hurting more than anybody and he'll run his arse off for us on Thursday because that's the kind of player he is. He's more than played his part for us being up there.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2024, 05:10:23 PM
Looking at it again, when you take out the very serious ramifications for our season, it was bloody funny. It was very Sunday League clumsy, all that was missing was him having a fag and a piss on the touchline on the way back to the dressing room.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: WassallVillain on March 11, 2024, 05:13:27 PM
He lost his head, it was a crazy thing to do and we’re going to miss him hugely. It was far more mental than what Kamara did before Christmas as he nearly put that fella in row z.

I can only think giving them two goals has really done his head in and he lost the plot for a  second.
I think he was pissed off with Zaniolo having just created the best chance of the game for us by barging his way along the goal line.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: The Charmer on March 11, 2024, 05:45:51 PM
There's a still online somewhere that shows the moment of impact. McGinn only has eyes for the player, the ball's miles away and he's not interested. It's as red as you like.

Edit: here it is.
(https://i.ibb.co/DGmZq1B/Screenshot-2024-03-11-16-04-24.png) (https://ibb.co/DGmZq1B)



I'm surprised you're able to decipher what he's looking at and what he's intending with the look based on that photo.

It was a shit challenge, absolutely worthy of a card. On many days a yellow would have been given, yesterday it was red. I don't think anyone is saying anything much different.

If that had been a yellow, it could have been the challenge that sparked us into life.

I'd say he took his legs, bit there were no studs, no leg was planted, he just took him out. Nobody would want to be on the receiving end of one, but then you'd argue the same about many of his legitimate tackles!!
I'm with you on this summation Drummond.

I think Udogie looks like a very useful part of the Tottenham set-up, a real athlete.
SJM had a rush of blood and took him out  - it happens.

But then what happened next was interesting.
He hit the deck, was rightly furious, bounced up and went to confront McGinn.
This all happened in seconds but, in a flash, the mindset of the modern day player took over.
Straight back down on the turf to maximise the seriousness for all to witness. Job done.

Stayed down for a few minutes. McGinn is red carded. Udogie is helped to his feet & performs the obligatory hobble - Praise be, he's going to live.

Of course, the madcap tackle bashed him up for a few minutes but, fortunately, he wasn't injured.
He seemed quite comfortably able to see-out the full 100 minutes at any rate.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 11, 2024, 06:32:01 PM
I really don’t see the debate here, it’s a red every day of the week and very stupid and damaging from McGinn. Hopefully other players will dig the team out.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on March 11, 2024, 07:33:10 PM
It was a yellow and a talking to, anywhere else on the pitch, it is a yellow. Right in front of the Spurs bench - gets him the red.

I would have been pissed too with the lack of urgency some of our lot were showing.

Agree with this it’s a yellow all day, fucking Spurs wanky over reaction got him sent off.

Amazed so many think it’s a red.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 11, 2024, 08:38:48 PM
It’s a definite red. There’s no intent to play the ball he just boots him, it doesn’t matter whether studs are up or not. If that happened against Villa I’d be expecting a red.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 11, 2024, 08:51:09 PM
It was a yellow and a talking to, anywhere else on the pitch, it is a yellow. Right in front of the Spurs bench - gets him the red.

I would have been pissed too with the lack of urgency some of our lot were showing.

Agree with this it’s a yellow all day, fucking Spurs wanky over reaction got him sent off.

Same here, I'm in the 'it was more of a yellow than a red' camp.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Hillbilly on March 12, 2024, 05:04:14 AM
Anyone know what the recall provisions are on Sanson and Dendonker?

*ducks for cover*
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: ldavfc4eva on March 12, 2024, 07:00:54 AM
I would have Dendonker back immediately if possible, not too sure why we loaned him out in the first place as he was getting game time.

Natural replacement for Kam, even if he isn’t at his level
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Chris Harte on March 12, 2024, 07:52:36 AM
It was a yellow and a talking to, anywhere else on the pitch, it is a yellow. Right in front of the Spurs bench - gets him the red.

I would have been pissed too with the lack of urgency some of our lot were showing.

Agree with this it’s a yellow all day, fucking Spurs wanky over reaction got him sent off.

Amazed so many think it’s a red.
Same here. Both posts.

Btw, we're people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?

(Edit for clarity)
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2024, 07:56:32 AM
It was a red. 

And given the evidence and the aggravating circumstances he should be tried, convicted and sentenced to ten years apologising in writing to everyone he’s wronged.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Risso on March 12, 2024, 07:58:49 AM
Btw, we're people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?

(Edit for clarity)

Probably not, but then

a) We won the game
b) We didn't go on to ship 4 goals to our closest top 4 rivals wiping out our goal difference over them
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 12, 2024, 08:18:36 AM
Anyone know what the recall provisions are on Sanson and Dendonker?

*ducks for cover*

Can’t be done.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: chrisw1 on March 12, 2024, 08:49:19 AM

Btw, were people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?

Yeah, I think so.  Although possibly more so at Emi than Bouba.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 12, 2024, 09:22:21 AM
For the "woe-to-us" brigade, although I think it was more Torres getting injured in the same match, our record after that was draw to Sheffield Utd, loss to Manure and win against Burnley.

As for my reaction to Kamara, I was furious the ref decided a tap to the face was a straight red, but a running two handed shove to the chest right in front of him, and multiple wild swings of his arms on other players was only a yellow. There is something wrong when any slight hand to face is classed as violent conduct and the other acts are not.

And I was angry at Martinez for continuing it with Maupay when we had all the space at the back to play it around because he was on the ground so were down to 9 men when trying to press.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: eamonn on March 12, 2024, 01:07:24 PM
Anyone know what the recall provisions are on Sanson and Dendonker?

*ducks for cover*

Can’t be done.

I've loved Morgan from the start and always will.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 12, 2024, 01:10:37 PM

Btw, were people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?

Yeah, I think so.  Although possibly more so at Emi than Bouba.

I remember quite a few moaning about it but i suppose you would when they're such key players and we've lost so many others to injury (Bouba and McGinn).
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 12, 2024, 01:16:17 PM

Btw, were people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?

Yeah, I think so.  Although possibly more so at Emi than Bouba.

I remember quite a few moaning about it but i suppose you would when they're such key players and we've lost so many others to injury (Bouba and McGinn).

I was definitely pissed and am at McGinn. You can't do a cynical foul with that much force, it's incredibly dumb. When it's that obvious you're not playing the ball then you are simply risking a red.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 12, 2024, 11:18:20 PM
Anyone know what the recall provisions are on Sanson and Dendonker?

*ducks for cover*

Can’t be done.

I've loved Morgan from the start and always will.
Morgan de toi?
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Bad English on March 13, 2024, 12:02:48 PM
He won't want to Renaud the experience or be prêt à porter the responsibility.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 15, 2024, 02:41:36 AM
Tonight shows why it’s so bloody annoying that he made that challenge on Sunday. He was very good, he’s going to be a big miss.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 15, 2024, 07:02:58 AM
Have we not appealed? It was yellow only, theplayer didn't even go down initially.

We need to start pressuring officialdom just like our peers do and seemingly get away with
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 15, 2024, 07:13:25 AM
Btw, we're people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?

(Edit for clarity)

Probably not, but then

a) We won the game
b) We didn't go on to ship 4 goals to our closest top 4 rivals wiping out our goal difference over them

This. Just to clarify i was still pissed off more because he missed a further 3 games. Mcginn missing 3 games at a crucial period.

Mcginn did what romaro did vs chelsea. Lost his head and it cost us dearly
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2024, 08:52:29 AM
The worry is they decide the appeal is frivolous and he gets an extra game ban. TBH I don't think it was an obvious error and could have been yellow or red decision. But then I didn't think the Everton one was an obvious error either, especially as two refs and an assistant all came to the same conclusion, but that one was overturned.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 15, 2024, 10:07:37 AM
It’s not a yellow, the ball had gone and he didn’t just trip him he booted him. It wouldn’t get overturned.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2024, 10:08:56 AM
C'mon, if "Madders" Maddison had done the same to him, we would have screamed blue-murder. It was a terrible challenge and he was rightfully fucked-off. A nice Easter break for him in Dublin now, he'll be right as rain for the run-in.
Title: Re: John McGinn - signed (Captain)
Post by: LeeB on March 15, 2024, 01:19:30 PM
It’s not a yellow, the ball had gone and he didn’t just trip him he booted him. It wouldn’t get overturned.

Yeah, it's not a leg breaker or anything but it was a clear and obvious boot in the air and no panel in the world would overturn it.
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