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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 10:01:29 AM
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Probably worth his own thread as it looks like it's done.
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Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
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Probably worth his own thread as it looks like it's done.
Us over Celtic?
That's a result.
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Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Lets not forget dela Cruz 😉
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I think some have got mixed up with Neil McGinn as this link is John McGinn
It's understandable not like is it a Ginn or Guinness
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Ads, why do you think this is done?
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Ads, why do you think this is done?
The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
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Yes the medical bod has said it's going ahead.
Monday made clear that we need a lot more drive and legs in our central midfield. We're so static at times.
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Ads, why do you think this is done?
The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!
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Thanks chaps. At work. Bloody inconvenient given how close we are to the deadline!
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Ads, why do you think this is done?
The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!
It's "Villa Transfers" but he doesn't accept new followers for some reason.
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Ads, why do you think this is done?
The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!
It's "Villa Transfers" but he doesn't accept new followers for some reason.
OK, ta
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Ads, why do you think this is done?
The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!
It's "Villa Transfers" but he doesn't accept new followers for some reason.
Deeply suspicious of such people, are they gathering followers to start some sort of revolutionary army?
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Doesn't like idiots clogging up his feed maybe.
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One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Lets not forget dela Cruz 😉
...or Alex Cropley (via Arsenal).
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Maybe it’s the medical that’s done🤔
Did he have a medical at Celtic as well?
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If the Grealish deal is to be believed he needs at least another 17 medicals before signing.
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Really hope this is true, a very big welcome
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STSATRTG
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STSATRTG
Don't you mean STSATRTF?
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Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Loved Dessie Bremner. He ran all day, simply did not stop.
If McGinn is as good a player and is as committed as he was, we will be very lucky and I will be very happy. The perfect foil for Sid, Dennis Mortimer, and Tony Morley.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/niDXLe/Des_Bremner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/niDXLe)
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While the youtube video looks promising - we appear to have a number of attacking midfielders - anyone who watch Scottish Fitba know if this guy is better than Lansbury, Conner etc.
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Has the Celtic stuff gone away then?
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no they are still there, the king minnow in a league of spratts
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STSATRTG
Don't you mean STSATRTF?
It might be STSATRTC you know!
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from the Beeb:
Aston Villa have agreed a fee with Hibernian to sign John McGinn, with the midfielder undergoing a medical.
The player has been in talks with the English Championship club since Tuesday and is understood to be close to a move.
Celtic have had two bids for the Scotland international rejected.
"I think Celtic have matched the offer but I think Villa are in the driving position at the minute," said Hibs manager Neil Lennon.
"John went down to Birmingham, A fee has been agreed. I don't know if personal terms have been agreed yet."
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If you were the medical employee, would you risk your job for some minor internet fame?
The risk/reward doesn’t seem worth it to me. Each to their own I suppose.
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If Jack is staying this could be a transfer that will end up with him going to Celtic.
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If Jack is staying this could be a transfer that will end up with him going to Celtic.
Why?
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FFP for starters.
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FFP for starters.
Why?
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John McGinn:
Transfer fee of £2,100,00 and A four year deal with a weekly wages of £15,000.
For the 2018/19 accounts that is £1,305,000.
We've just received the thick end of £4,000,000. Why is this deal an issue for FFP?
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I’d assume because we are anywhere from £15-£40m short of FFP still
My guess is we will try bring McGinn in with the understanding jack will be off in January. That’ll give mcginn time to settle in and get up to speed without him necessarily being seen as a like for like replacement for jack
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Because we'd still have Grealish on our books and we have a hole bigger than £2,695,000
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The purchase isn't dependant on Grealish being sold, along with Bryan, is more than covered by Traore while still reducing any deficit.
Grealish and McGinn do not play in the same position or in the same way. This chap is box to box.
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Hasn't Nassef Sawiris asked his accountant to look through the books and apparently said we're good to go without selling Grealish. I think a few days before NSWE bought us I heard a Simon Jordan say the figures going around that Villa needed to find were way off the mark.
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Doesn't the £6 - £7 million saving a year from getting Terry and Agbonlahor off the books go towards helping in terms of FFP or not? And didn't NSWE purchase a few million pounds worth of shares only a few days ago too...does that help?
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Surely any sell on fee for Traore will be a percentage of the increase in value rather than on the sale price? If Wolves pay £18m, and we got what, £7m for him, that's an increase of £11m and 20% of that is just over £2m, not £4m. And that's assuming that idiot Xia hasn't already sold the benefit for 2 and 6.
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Most factoring I've come across only deals with known future income, which is why we've done deals on Westwood, Amavi and Sanchez monies. There was no certainty Traore would be sold and for what when we were scratching around for money. I think.
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Most factoring I've come across only deals with known future income, which is why we've done deals on Westwood, Amavi and Sanchez monies. There was no certainty Traore would be sold and for what when we were scratching around for money. I think.
I assume they could do a cash deal on the clause.
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villatransfers guy says medical done
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I like the sound of this signing. Don't know much about him, but what I do sounds all positive. And though it's not entirely rational, we have rarely been disappointed by the many Scottish players that have played for us down the years.
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Hasn't Nassef Sawiris asked his accountant to look through the books and apparently said we're good to go without selling Grealish. I think a few days before NSWE bought us I heard a Simon Jordan say the figures going around that Villa needed to find were way off the mark.
That’s exactly how I see it.
I think the new guys would have had their best people all over the books and the finances to understand exactly where we are and what we can and cannot do.
I still think the FFP is a real issue but was made to appear much worse by Xia to cover up the fact he hasnt got a pot to piss in.
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I just hope he doesn't get moody and homesick like Maloney did. We don't want him driving back to Dundee in bare feet.
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Just need to shower him with toblerone and he’ll be OK.
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There used to be flights from Dundee to Birmingham. Dundee would be fine. 😁
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Confirmed.
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Welcome John, be awesome.
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He's signed. Happy with this. Welcome, John. 😁
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Neil "second best Lennon in Scottish football management" Lennon:
“He goes with everyone’s best wishes – he’s been absolutely superb on and off the pitch. He’s a joy to work with and I’ve really enjoyed watching him play."
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Just informed my wife that we'd signed another player. Her first response was "goalkeeper?"
Welcome John!
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Welcome to the Villa John.
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Celtic-supporting pal of mine says there is a touch of the Roy Keanes (early era) about him.
That'll do for me.
So long as he's not kung fu kicking tactics boards and bailing on the club the moment someone disagrees with him.
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From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.
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Pleased with this. Surely the right direction for us. We need to offload Gardner and Lansbury as soon as possible.
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Welcome John, I have a feeling that you are going to do very well here.
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Great stuff. Happy with this one.
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He said himself he runs like a helicopter, can I call him Budgie?
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From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.
Yup. It could turn out to be a great bit of business. Hibs fans can't speak highly enough of him.
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Welcome John, don't be shit
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Just heard Owen Coyle give him a really glowing reference and it seems the Hibs fans think he's something really special. They also seem pleased he's joining us too.
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Just heard Owen Coyle give him a really glowing reference and it seems the Hibs fans think he's something really special. They also seem pleased he's joining us too.
Anybody but Celtic I'd imagine!
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Very excited with this signing
Shades of when Andy Gray joined us
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Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.
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Came across well.
Bruce’s coaching already kicking in as he said ‘we’ll be there or therabouts’ 3 times in his interview.😂
Welcome John.
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Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.
We should have agreed that the fee included the transfer of "Sunshine on Leith" to us, and if Tottenham really want Grealish, one of the conditions is that they have to take "On the piss, My Lord" with them.
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Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.
We should have agreed that the fee included the transfer of "Sunshine on Leith" to us, and if Tottenham really want Grealish, one of the conditions is that they have to take "On the piss, My Lord" with them.
I hate Tottingham, but I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
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I think this is great signing.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGQQB3XoAEd6KK.jpg)
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He's signed. Happy with this. Welcome, John. 😁
I'm worried what is reaction will be when he realises he hasn't signed for Hearts.
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I like his attitude. Switched on and Inteligent lad.
It's clear from Monday that our midfield needs that drive and bite. We don't need a headless chicken so his range of passing is pleasing.
I don't know much about him, but I'm hopeful. I'm always hopeful.
I just feel like there's some momentum.
New owners
Keeping Jack
Adding quality like Bryan et al
Coming from behind away from home
I just feel very positive at the moment, which when you consider where we were in June is excellent.
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I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.
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I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.
You know more than me then! But sounds promising.
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I don't know why, but I haven't been this excited about a signing for a while. He looks young, talented and hungry, and exactly what we need to supplement Jack in the centre of midfield.
Why have Villa made his first interview look like he's been taken hostage though?!
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Never heard of him before, while I enjoy non league football i'm not a big enough anorak to pay any attention to those amateur leagues in Very Northern England.
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From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.
Yup. It could turn out to be a great bit of business. Hibs fans can't speak highly enough of him.
If we do keep hold of Jack I think these 2 could compliment each other quite nicely....a lot better than Conor or Glenn can.
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My jock mates reckon he is a tidy player, good on the ball and will do well in the C-ship.
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Seems like a really nice lad as well from that interview.
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Hibs fans love him and send him with their best wishes which is a great sign. As I posted on the JG thread the disillusioned Jack Grealish is liking the AV Official Instagram photos of the signing???
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Could be a new ‘Der Hammer’ going by the video compilation.
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I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.
You know more than me then! But sounds promising.
Hibs fans referring to him as a 'legend'. Almost everyone wishing him well and quite a few have now decided for the first time they an "English club" to support.
Also mentioned that despite an undisclosed fee, there are rumours of a additional £2m promotion fee if and when we go up.
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I don't know why, but I haven't been this excited about a signing for a while. He looks young, talented and hungry, and exactly what we need to supplement Jack in the centre of midfield.
Why have Villa made his first interview look like he's been taken hostage though?!
With Celtic lurking maybe we had to capture him to get him to sign. He looks like he hasn't seen daylight in a couple of days and hasn't eaten. Hungry is probably accurate.
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If we go up I'll happily pay the £2 million "Promotion Fee" myself.
Someone might need to chip in a bit to help out, say £1,999,998.
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Hibs fans love him and send him with their best wishes which is a great sign. As I posted on the JG thread the disillusioned Jack Grealish is liking the AV Official Instagram photos of the signing???
Lots of Hibs fans on Facebook saying he's the real deal and wishing him luck.. that's promising.
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I’ve seen him a few times. Good on the ball, decent shot and from what I remember will get stuck in. Good signing in my opinion, bargain at the price.
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Interesting that he talked about signings (emphasis on the plural) coming in.
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Good interview.
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Good fill in for Snoddy and someone who can understand Hutton perhaps
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If he's anyway near as good as the hibs fans reckon, I predict he'll have ousted hourihane from the midfield by November
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The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
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From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.
Yup. It could turn out to be a great bit of business. Hibs fans can't speak highly enough of him.
If we do keep hold of Jack I think these 2 could compliment each other quite nicely....a lot better than Conor or Glenn can.
Just a couple of weeks ago we were staring into the financial abyss thanks to the shenanigans of Dr X and co. Today we have told Daniel "the vulture" Levy to shove his 25mill up his arse and we've outbid a huge club like Celtic to land the signature of a very promising young talent from Scotland. In light of recent developments it's a momentous day for Aston Villa Football Club. Welcome John Mcginn to our illustrious club. Massive thanks to the new owners. Can't fookin wait for Saturday.
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The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
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Seems like a nice lad. Looking forward to seeing what he can do. Best of luck, John!
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Welcome on board John, looks like the kind of player we've missed since Milner.
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no one fucks with the Villa.
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Great player, and a great signing. Seen a bit of him, and he's a good wee player. And it's pised the Celts off. Bonus.
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I know nothing about this guy and I hope he's a world beater but once again what message does this send to the likes of Callum O'Hare?
Aren't we in danger of making the same mistake of the last two owners and trying to buy success whilst ignoring our youth set up?
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Not really. There’s a balance to be struck and you can’t place sole reliance on youth. If a young player is good enough they’ll come through.
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Not really. There’s a balance to be struck and you can’t place sole reliance on youth. If a young player is good enough they’ll come through.
Once Steve Bruce is sacked.
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I think he's more of an 8 than a 10 like O'Hare
But I agree would be great if we can shift out Lansbury, Gardner, Taylor etc
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The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
Further explanation ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506
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The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
Further explanation ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506
He’s a full-back though.
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Seem's to be a nice,well balanced,and articulate lad,welcome to The Villa.
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Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.
My youngest would love it!
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I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.
You know more than me then! But sounds promising.
Hibs fans referring to him as a 'legend'. Almost everyone wishing him well and quite a few have now decided for the first time they an "English club" to support.
Also mentioned that despite an undisclosed fee, there are rumours of a additional £2m promotion fee if and when we go up.
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The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
Further explanation ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506
He’s a full-back though.
And ironically would be perfect for us if Bryan has gone to Fulham.
With the article, I assume the lower part of the article is the relevant bit as it basically said what I had said.
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Good fill in for Snoddy and someone who can understand Hutton perhaps
He is going to piss over the rest of our midfield. Stoke flogging Adam to Liverpool comes to mind. He can play (as affirmed by a Motherwell season ticket holder I know).
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I know a couple of hibs fans and from what they've said, and the videos I can find I think he's the player we all want Thor to be. Works his balls off, tenacious in defence but has a decent passing game and a good shot on him. If it were up to me I spend a few months slowly bringing him on to replace Jedi/Whelan. I still want us to give game time to the kids though (once more, I think Jack Clarke could be a fantastic player in a few years) but I'd be much happier bringing them in alongside someone like McGinn than expecting them to run for Jedi or Whelan.
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Never mind. Having a nightmare quoting comments from my iPad.
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My old man is a Hearts fan and says McGinn has been brilliant for Hibs and reckons he'll be great for us too.
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Looks a cracking player. In the Bruce world, I am not sure who he replaces in the team though. At home I would hope Whelan and we really go for it.
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I know a couple of hibs fans and from what they've said, and the videos I can find I think he's the player we all want Thor to be. Works his balls off, tenacious in defence but has a decent passing game and a good shot on him. If it were up to me I spend a few months slowly bringing him on to replace Jedi/Whelan. I still want us to give game time to the kids though (once more, I think Jack Clarke could be a fantastic player in a few years) but I'd be much happier bringing them in alongside someone like McGinn than expecting them to run for Jedi or Whelan.
Looks more of an attacking midfielder to me Paul from the clips I have seen. Despite his goals last season, I didn't think Hourihane's all round game was good enough and hope that McGinn will challenge for his place.
Think the kid will need time to settle and expectations should be adjusted accordingly.
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VERY happy about this signing. I just hope our lot stick with him and don't expect miracles straight away
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I know a couple of hibs fans and from what they've said, and the videos I can find I think he's the player we all want Thor to be. Works his balls off, tenacious in defence but has a decent passing game and a good shot on him. If it were up to me I spend a few months slowly bringing him on to replace Jedi/Whelan. I still want us to give game time to the kids though (once more, I think Jack Clarke could be a fantastic player in a few years) but I'd be much happier bringing them in alongside someone like McGinn than expecting them to run for Jedi or Whelan.
Looks more of an attacking midfielder to me Paul from the clips I have seen. Despite his goals last season, I didn't think Hourihane's all round game was good enough and hope that McGinn will challenge for his place.
Think the kid will need time to settle and expectations should be adjusted accordingly.
I think he has played more attacking but I suspect he'll have to move deeper to be successful in the championship and with his mobility and shot he could easily play a little deeper and be in place for the 2nd ball and get plenty of chances.
I think we need to start concentrating on adding pace, technical skill and mobility to the team and by getting him to replace Whelan/Jedi you add loads of extra pace with the only loss being Jedi's aerial ability (and you'd bring him in for games where that's going to be helpful). There aren't many teams in the league with an 8 or 10 who'd worry me to the point where we need the extra man sitting in so we can afford to look at a '1 stay 1 go' setup in midfield, Maybe with McGinn and Thor together (but then looking at getting the kids involved as well).
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Almost everyone plays with a holding midfielder nowadays
He looks more of an 8 than a 6 so I agree he may compete with hourihane especially if he's got a better all round game
But perhaps Bruce does think he can hold midfield.
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The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
Further explanation ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506
He’s a full-back though.
And ironically would be perfect for us if Bryan has gone to Fulham.
With the article, I assume the lower part of the article is the relevant bit as it basically said what I had said.
Yes. The last three paragraphs.
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Got a reply from a Hibs season ticket holder mate of mine this morning, having asked about him last night about McGinn as I don't know much about Scottish football:
"Gutted! He's bloody brilliant mate! Can do everything. He won't be the best attacking, creative or defensive midfielder in the league, but he might be the best midfielder at doing a bit of all three. A bit like a young Roy Keane (but not that level yet, obviously). He can also run all day long. He'll make your team better, nae bother."
In a follow-up he said he doesn't really "boss" games like Keane, as the guy pulling the strings most of the time for Hibs last season was McGeouch, who has just joined Sunderland on a free. McGinn definitely the better all-round player though.
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Almost everyone plays with a holding midfielder nowadays
He looks more of an 8 than a 6 so I agree he may compete with hourihane especially if he's got a better all round game
But perhaps Bruce does think he can hold midfield.
I really hope he's going to play the Whelan/Jedinak role. The problem with playing with either of the two older players is that as good as they are at reading the game and breaking up play, as soon as you want to launch a quick counterattack you're effectively playing with 10 men. It's what Onomah SHOULD have been doing last year, but hope that this lad can be the upgrade we need.
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Hopefully a premier league club doesn't come in for him....
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Welcome to Aston Villa, John. May you be a great success & get us back to the land of filthy lucre & BS asap!
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McGinty mcginn ! Looks a player. User of both feet and was funny hearing him say he has a distinct running style.
Really apparent needs drive and legs and this guy can go with it and give much needed dynamism
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Watch this.
https://twitter.com/euan_wishart/status/1027276662579376128?s=12
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Can someone translate that please.
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Can someone translate that please.
;)
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Know little about him except the reports in the press. Its good that we are getting him at a young age when his best years should still be ahead. If he lives up to his billing then it maybe a smart bit of business keeping Jack and adding this guy as well. Time will tell.
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I can't wait to see this guy play. I'll admit to having never heard of him before this week, but all the reports on him are very promising. And the Hibs supporters seem great!
It's been a long time since we've had a midfielder that can run, tackle, pass and shoot. Would be great if he can do the work of Whelan and Hourihane to free up a space for some more energy and creativity.
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I like that song for him too.
Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
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Can someone translate that please.
;)
Love it.
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I like that song for him too.
Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
'He's now a Villa man'.
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I like that song for him too.
Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
That will do nicely.
'He's now a Villa man'.
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I like that song for him too.
Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
That will do nicely.
'He's now a Villa man'.
that works well
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We’ve got McGinn, Super John McGinn,
I just don’t think you understand,
He’s now a Villa man,
He’s better than Zidane,
We’ve got Super John McGinn,
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Perfect
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We’ve got McGinn, Super John McGinn,
I just don’t think you understand,
He’s now a Villa man,
He’s better than Zidane,
We’ve got Super John McGinn,
As noted, there seems such well wishing to him and us from Hibs fans I think adapting their song would feel right too.
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Can someone translate that please.
;)
Love it.
Better than zidane?? Blimey what a bargain
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Yep, except they mean Zidane now.
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Yep, except they mean Zidane now.
would probably still be a bargain
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Great photo's of him training today. A big smile on his face all the way through. He's going to be a cult hero. The Hibs song is a cracker by the way.
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My one concern, is the orbital hypertelorism.
Perhaps it gives him greater vision.
I'm very optimistic, however, fans are very good judge of character.
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Not sure there are plans to replace the floodlights, TheMalandro.
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Not sure there are plans to replace the floodlights, TheMalandro.
😀
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Hi guys. First time poster. One of the many Hibs supporters who have adopted Villa as my English team. Used to look out for Villa when I had family who lived in Warwick and rejoiced in your league and European Cup wins.
I lost interest in English football when Sky ruined it with too much money and have only taken an interest in my beloved Hibs over the past few years.
Anyway I just wanted to add to the thread that you have got a fantastic player in John McGinn. He is a box to box midfielder who has managed to add goals to his game over the last season. He scored the goal which sent us through in the last round of the Europa League.
Wins tackles, holds onto the ball when he has no right and will add a real energy to your midfield. You are very lucky to have got him for the money quoted.
He has started to establish himself in the Scotland team and is generally seen as the natural successor to Scotty Brown for Scotland. He has been named as man of the match for 2 of his 9 caps.
I really look forward to seeing him develop with you. Apart from that he is a lovely guy, very level headed and a credit to his family. He will work his balls off to be a success.
On a separate note I remember both soldier ((Alex Cropley) and Des Bremner playing for both Hibs and Villa. I think as much of them as you guys do. Alex lives near me and has had a few health problems which have stopped him driving his taxi. He is in pretty good shape though and is another lovely guy.
Be looking out for your result tomorrow. Think your game on Tuesday is on Sky so hope to see SJM playing. Great idea to keep his song though you can’t get Sunshine on Villa. It just won’t work!
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Hibby Villa, I can confirm you are genuine as a Hibs mate I met on holiday a few years back is a black cabbie and says Alex Cropley is. He was a superb footballer and one of the best left foots I can think of before the assault on him. As for Des Bremner, I saw him in his debut v Arsenal in the worst 0-0 draw you can imagine and thought he is you know what. How wrong I was, a massive player for us and still don't know how he didn't get called up for Scotland whilst at Villa.
Great comments re John McGinn and he sure seems a great bargain. You Hibs fans are brilliant, my mate sent me a video after you beat Rangers in the final re Sunshine on leith and brilliant the lads singing it love your club. Me and the lad coming up for hibs game this season and mate coming down to see SJM. If you fancy meeting up when in Edinburgh for a beer great
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Thanks for the info Hibby Villa. Good luck for the rest of the season, unless you draw Clyde in the cup. 😊
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Hibs will be my new Scottish team. Great stories, hope SJM is anywhere near as good as the players mentioned, if so, we are very fortunate and I look forward to seeing him play.
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Thanks for your post Hibby Villa, but have you seen our latest shirt? It's well Jambofied. Irvine Welsh will be spinning in whatever he rotates in these days.
Best wishes to you for the season.
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How’s he going the bridge the gap of moving from non league football to just below top tier English league?
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On a separate note I remember both soldier ((Alex Cropley) and Des Bremner playing for both Hibs and Villa. I think as much of them as you guys do. Alex lives near me and has had a few health problems which have stopped him driving his taxi. He is in pretty good shape though and is another lovely guy.
Hibby, if you ever see him, send him our love.
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Reading the new Irving Welsh book and John McGinnis gets a few mentions.
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Reading the new Irving Welsh book and John McGinnis gets a few mentions.
It's McGinn JD, autocorrect gone mad again? I can see we're going to have a Clark/Clarke with this one.
Thanks for the post Hibby and the best of luck to you and your club for the future. I like Hibs, Rebus supports them.
Des Bremner is one of life's true gentlemen, treated me with absolute respect when I met him.
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Wearing number 7!
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Reading the new Irving Welsh book and John McGinnis gets a few mentions.
He does look very Scottish. And under nourished
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Thanks Hibby Villa. I was delighted when you won your first FA Cup since 1902, gave me hope for Villa.
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Hi guys. First time poster. One of the many Hibs supporters who have adopted Villa as my English team. Used to look out for Villa when I had family who lived in Warwick and rejoiced in your league and European Cup wins.
I lost interest in English football when Sky ruined it with too much money and have only taken an interest in my beloved Hibs over the past few years.
Anyway I just wanted to add to the thread that you have got a fantastic player in John McGinn. He is a box to box midfielder who has managed to add goals to his game over the last season. He scored the goal which sent us through in the last round of the Europa League.
Wins tackles, holds onto the ball when he has no right and will add a real energy to your midfield. You are very lucky to have got him for the money quoted.
He has started to establish himself in the Scotland team and is generally seen as the natural successor to Scotty Brown for Scotland. He has been named as man of the match for 2 of his 9 caps.
I really look forward to seeing him develop with you. Apart from that he is a lovely guy, very level headed and a credit to his family. He will work his balls off to be a success.
On a separate note I remember both soldier ((Alex Cropley) and Des Bremner playing for both Hibs and Villa. I think as much of them as you guys do. Alex lives near me and has had a few health problems which have stopped him driving his taxi. He is in pretty good shape though and is another lovely guy.
Be looking out for your result tomorrow. Think your game on Tuesday is on Sky so hope to see SJM playing. Great idea to keep his song though you can’t get Sunshine on Villa. It just won’t work!
The Hibs fans all over Twitter have been great. Here's hoping McGinn lives up to his promise down here, and if he put in even half the effort he did for you, the Villa fans will love him. Good luck for the season mate, I'll be keeping half an eye on your results. If you're going to watch our highlights to see how he gets on though, be prepared for the fact that it'll look like he's playing for Hearts. Sorry about that.
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Thanks for the warm welcome. Did notice the shirt had moved on from the classic style but it is not quite bloody turd coloured like the Hearts one.
Scottish football isn’t as bad as it is made out to be by the English press. Though like English football there are some poor games Sure he can make the step up to the championship.
Looking forward to seeing how SJM performs today. Remember to give him time but you will see enough to know that you have a player.
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Thanks for the warm welcome. Did notice the shirt had moved on from the classic style but it is not quite bloody turd coloured like the Hearts one.
Scottish football isn’t as bad as it is made out to be by the English press. Though like English football there are some poor games Sure he can make the step up to the championship.
Looking forward to seeing how SJM performs today. Remember to give him time but you will see enough to know that you have a player.
Without wanting to get too matey, your cup final win over the zombies was my favourite non-villa football thing in yonks, despite it costing me about £300 in data charges on my phone in Zagreb.
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Snoddy's sent McGinn a nice tweet apparently, saying he's joined a top club.
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Dave it was auto correct. I typed it in twice and it changed It, but I thought I had outsmarted it. How wrong was I.
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:) :-[
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Also on the Hibs link, I have fond memories of Willie Hamilton - an attacking midfielder we signed from them in 65. Only stayed a couple of years and sadly died young.
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All the best Hibby Villa, thanks for posting.
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Also on the Hibs link, I have fond memories of Willie Hamilton - an attacking midfielder we signed from them in 65. Only stayed a couple of years and sadly died young.
A real blast from the past Woofles. Liked a drink I believe. I'm not too sure about my recollection of this but I know we were on one of the very first MOTD's about 1964 when it was broadcast on the newly formed BBC 2, Willie scored what today we call a worldy, the opposition I can't remember, 'Boro comes to mind. It was a real beauty.
Me and the old man couldn't wait for MOD that night, it was on early IIRC, the problem was BBC 2 reception was bit hit and miss in our maisonette and we couldn't tune it in that evening so have never seen it since. It would be interesting to find out if the BBC have it archived.
RIP Willie.
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Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
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Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I don't think it would work Mal. Leith is Leith. We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
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Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I don't think it would work Mal. Leith is Leith. We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
We could have a summer and a winter song. A Scorcher In Aston and Wet In Witton. Or maybe even Pissing Down In Perry Barr.
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The Hibs Final against the Glasgow Branch of the EDL was fucking ace.
If McGinn can help end a 114 year drought, our 62 year drought should be a piece of piss.
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I was trying to think who John McGinn reminded me of and it finally clicked. His name reminded me of John McGinley, Bolton's striker from their mid nineties cup runs.
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Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I don't think it would work Mal. Leith is Leith. We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
Yeah, that’s the bit I meant when I said in the main. Pity it’s the central part of the song!
I was just thinking we could overlook that! Or even sing “sunshine on me” for that part?
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Pat Nevin's just given a glowing endorsement of McGinn on 5 Live, declaring him one of the signings of the summer. He reckons he's one of only two Scottish Prem players who would walk into an English Premier League side, never mind a Championship one (Tierney being the other? I think that's who he said, never heard of him but I'm guessing he plays for Celtic). He says he's brilliant and it's a great bit of business from Villa. Nice to hear. Hope he's right.
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Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I don't think it would work Mal. Leith is Leith. We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
Yeah, that’s the bit I meant when I said in the main. Pity it’s the central part of the song!
I was just thinking we could overlook that! Or even sing “sunshine on me” for that part?
Just checked McGinn's height, the same as the other Hibs legend, Alex Cropley..
Five foot eight
Not much weight
John McGinn is fcuking great
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So do I!
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Come all without, come all within
You’ll not see nothing like John McGinn
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5’8” not much weight jihn McGinn is fuckin great
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He’s pale, he’s thin
His name is John McGinn, John McGinnnnnnn
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I was going to suggest 'Begin the McGinn' but Julio Iglesias numbers don't lend themselves to rousing terrace anthems.
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Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I love that youtube clip after the cup final of the Hibs fans singing that. Awesome.
Ever since I have wanted to get up there for the Edinburgh derby. I think Pat Nevin said it is the most atmospheric derby in football. He's played in the liverpool and london derbies, so knows a thing or two.
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Think I may have a new favourite player.
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Massively impressed by him. Reminds me of Birchy.
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Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
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With delivery like that, we need Hogan back ASAP.
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With delivery like that, we need Hogan back ASAP.
I quite like being 2nd in the league though.
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Best debut for a while.
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What a fucking player.
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Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
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Pat Nevin's just given a glowing endorsement of McGinn on 5 Live, declaring him one of the signings of the summer. He reckons he's one of only two Scottish Prem players who would walk into an English Premier League side, never mind a Championship one (Tierney being the other? I think that's who he said, never heard of him but I'm guessing he plays for Celtic). He says he's brilliant and it's a great bit of business from Villa. Nice to hear. Hope he's right.
Tierney is good. Linked with Liverpool and Arsenal in the summer for circa £15 million.
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Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.
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Excellent debut and everything we were led to believe. Seems to have graft and ability in equal measure. I think he and Grealish will like playing in the same team.
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Best debut for a while.
reminds me of Deeno in some ways.
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Excellent debut and everything we were led to believe. Seems to have graft and ability in equal measure. I think he and Grealish will like playing in the same team.
So that's Bremner and Cowans positions sorted, we're on our way back! ;)
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Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.
My point remains though. Two entirely different types of player. We need to find someone to replace those goals as we can’t keep relying on defenders, defensive midfielders and own goals. I’m not saying at all I’d prefer Hourihane over McGinn. The opposite on the evidence of today. I’m just saying it’s great we have both but if McGinn plays more he has chip in too and as he did today create for others.
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Best debut for a while.
reminds me of Deeno in some ways.
I thought the same.
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Best debut for a while.
reminds me of Deeno in some ways.
And Carbone!
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Best debut for ages. Really impressed.
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It was nice to have someone hit the ground running. Well played, son.
I saw the Deano likeness, but somewhat alarmingly later in the game, I caught a glimpse and my brain went, "shit, Westwood's back". It was the way he was standing, probably. He wasn't pointing or anything.
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Sounds like a belter.
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Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.
My point remains though. Two entirely different types of player. We need to find someone to replace those goals as we can’t keep relying on defenders, defensive midfielders and own goals. I’m not saying at all I’d prefer Hourihane over McGinn. The opposite on the evidence of today. I’m just saying it’s great we have both but if McGinn plays more he has chip in too and as he did today create for others.
He had that absolute blast of a shot from about 30 yards in the first half, that had it been a few inches to the right would have flown past the keeper and into the net. I think this lad will chip in with his fair share.
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Reminded me a little of Houghton.
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My new favourite player.
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Reminded me of Steve McMahon a bit
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The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.
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Great set pieces, plus a gorgeous cross for Kodjia (who completely muffed it) just before Wigan's second.
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The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.
I remember in Holman's first few games people were saying he played like Des Bremner so important to keep calm as we've seen many players look amazing on their debut and then fade into obscurity.
Looking forward to watching McGinn though, he sounds like everything I expect Hourihane to be.
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Great set pieces, plus a gorgeous cross for Kodjia (who completely muffed it) just before Wigan's second.
He also put in a superb whipped low cross in the first half but surprise, surprise nobody was there (Hogan would love him).
This guy is going to be awesome, premier quality already, absolutely superb debut!
Hope Hibs have a sell on clause because he will eventually go for big money!
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The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.
I remember in Holman's first few games people were saying he played like Des Bremner so important to keep calm as we've seen many players look amazing on their debut and then fade into obscurity.
Looking forward to watching McGinn though, he sounds like everything I expect Hourihane to be.
I don’t recall anybody saying that Holman was anything other than total garbage, which he was.
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The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.
I remember in Holman's first few games people were saying he played like Des Bremner so important to keep calm as we've seen many players look amazing on their debut and then fade into obscurity.
Looking forward to watching McGinn though, he sounds like everything I expect Hourihane to be.
I don’t recall anybody saying that Holman was anything other than total garbage, which he was.
Holman was o.k first few games away to Newcastle and West Brom although that was more due to him running around like a maniac than any quality on the ball as we saw later!
One of best villa debuts I can remember was Baros, looked like a world class striker but he quickly declined.
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Very promising, I felt like we were going to score every time he shaped up to cross it in.
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Reminded me of Steve McMahon a bit
Steve McMahon was one of my favourite Villa players in his couple of years with us when I was a kid. A few years later I was engaged to a girl who's younger brother was a youngster at Swindon and met McMahon, who was Swindon manager at the time at an end of season awards presentation. He was a right miserable c**t.
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I'm just excited our central midfield will be Xacki and McGinniesta
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My 3 lads all said they want his name on their shirts...when we can buy one...
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Right up there with some of the best home debuts I've seen.
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I like him. I really like him!
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Quality left foot. Harried chased and linked up well with Jack. Great debut.
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Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.
My point remains though. Two entirely different types of player. We need to find someone to replace those goals as we can’t keep relying on defenders, defensive midfielders and own goals. I’m not saying at all I’d prefer Hourihane over McGinn. The opposite on the evidence of today. I’m just saying it’s great we have both but if McGinn plays more he has chip in too and as he did today create for others.
He had that absolute blast of a shot from about 30 yards in the first half, that had it been a few inches to the right would have flown past the keeper and into the net. I think this lad will chip in with his fair share.
I hope so Risso. He’s not afraid to have a go at players or shoot which I absolutely love.
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How good was McGinn? Every set piece was dangerous. I was excited by his signing and he delivered big time. Man of the match for me.
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Just wait until he settles in properly.
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Hopefully he keeps that work rate going.
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Reminded me of Steve McMahon a bit
Steve McMahon was one of my favourite Villa players in his couple of years with us when I was a kid. A few years later I was engaged to a girl who's younger brother was a youngster at Swindon and met McMahon, who was Swindon manager at the time at an end of season awards presentation. He was a right miserable c**t.
Mine too. I remember him being sent off at Anfield after Souness did him.
Shame about when you met him....I'm going to pretend that never happened !
Edit : maybe it was just being Swindon manager ....
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Looked very comfortable on the ball 👍
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He was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.
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He was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.
Who looks like Alpay?! Our new skinny, white as a sheet 5 foot nothing midfielder?!
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He was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.
Who looks like Alpay?! Our new skinny, white as a sheet 5 foot nothing midfielder?!
Should have gone to Specsavers
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He was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.
Who looks like Alpay?! Our new skinny, white as a sheet 5 foot nothing midfielder?!
Should have gone to Specsavers
Just the shoulders and shortish dark hair reminded me of Alpay. Obviously facially they very different.
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Good home debut and it looks like he’s very much on the same wavelength as Jack. Reminded me more like Milner all those years ago...definitely not Alpay!
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I thought he looked like a distant Scottish Gardner brother but with talent.
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If that fat ****** Wyness hadn’t fucked everything up it could’ve been Sunshine on Keith.
I love Villa, I really like Hibs, McGinn is wonderful. I didn’t see it because I’m in Turkish Cyprus with no wi-fi. I know how to holiday.
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This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone, Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner
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Great set pieces, plus a gorgeous cross for Kodjia (who completely muffed it) just before Wigan's second.
He also put in a superb whipped low cross in the first half but surprise, surprise nobody was there (Hogan would love him).
This guy is going to be awesome, premier quality already, absolutely superb debut!
Hope Hibs have a sell on clause because he will eventually go for big money!
Sounds defeatist. We have to build the team around him and Jack. These new owners are not here to mess around. We're talking Man City type wealth...
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This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone, Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner
He reminds me of Gary Thompson.
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If that fat c*** Wyness hadn’t fucked everything up it could’ve been Sunshine on Keith.
I love Villa, I really like Hibs, McGinn is wonderful. I didn’t see it because I’m in Turkish Cyprus with no wi-fi. I know how to holiday.
Don’t knock cheap😊
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If that fat c*** Wyness hadn’t fucked everything up it could’ve been Sunshine on Keith.
I love Villa, I really like Hibs, McGinn is wonderful. I didn’t see it because I’m in Turkish Cyprus with no wi-fi. I know how to holiday.
Don’t knock cheap😊
FUCKING cheap!
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This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone, Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner
I'm bracing myself for the mention of a player I was too young to, er, appreciate - Bernie Gallacccher.
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His work rate and tenacity were a joy to behold. Clearly he’s very handy with the ball too.
What a bargain if that continues! We haven’t had many of them!
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I wasn't quite as impressed as some on here, but it was his first game after only signing a couple of days ago. One thing that I thought was impressive was his delivery into the box from both open play and set pieces. Needs to be given time to settle in and there were definitely signs of encouragement, but I don't think we should be getting too carried away at this point.
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I'm not getting too carried away, he was good though. Very much like a young Pele.
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I'm not getting too carried away, he was good though. Very much like a young Pele.
Woah, let's not get too ahead of ourselves.. he appears to be Scholes at best.
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This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone, Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner
He reminds me of Gary Thompson.
A Chinese Ian Ormondroyd was my first thought.
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This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone, Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner
all pretty decent players on that list - Westwood a bit lightweight though...
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I’m not getting carried away, but the “better than Zidane” songs were correct and he will win us the league, League Cup, FA Cup, Super Bowl, the Vitality Blast and the Cheltenham Gold Cup!
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If he is to win the Cheltenham Gold Cup for us we had better get him gelded.
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McGinty looks superb and the left foot and dynamics of his play really encouraging. Would like to see even more highlights of him and so glad to have such a good signing and a value one at that.
Yes it's not my money but there is satisfaction in getting value for money after the McCormick debacle! Hogan jurys half out but the point of not spending big and getting a performer .
Lansbury hasn't proved that hourihane for value for goals has been well.
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He did a few things that I hadn’t seen very often from our midfielders in years, eg. Passing and moving to receive a return pass, playing a pass to a forward making a run off the defender’s shoulder, making a run into the box from open play, dynamic running with and without the ball and chasing back and harrying an opposition player leaving them with a mouthful of turf.
All positive signs. I think he could form a great partnership with Grealish, but they will have to work out how it’s going to work between them. It will give the opposition a headache if they have to try to mark two creative midfielders out of the game.
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Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.
Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.
Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!
Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.
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Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.
Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.
Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!
Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.
EFL highlights are on Quest TV on freeview (ch37 I think).
Highlights are linked on this board under match highlights thread.
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There's also a Quest OD site
https://www.questod.co.uk/show/efl-on-quest
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MOTM
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Best debut I have witnessed in years, agree there seems an understanding with Jack already and has the potential to be a very very good player. What a terrific buy.
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Thanks for the information about highlights. Will look out for that in future.
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Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.
Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.
Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!
Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.
Hugely impressed. When we got the free kick, i mentioned it was the sort of area we would miss Snodgrass' delivery. I said "let's see what sort of left foot he has" - and got a great answer!!
Love him chasing and harrying back if he's lost the ball and that crunching tackle down by the corner of the Holte.
Add to the list of very impressive Villa debuts. Mind you, Carlton Cole played well in his first game....
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One of the best debuts I've had the pleasure of witnessing. We will make a very healthy profit in the future! The fact he chose Villa over C*ltic is also a bonus!
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Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.
Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.
Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!
Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.
Hugely impressed. When we got the free kick, i mentioned it was the sort of area we would miss Snodgrass' delivery. I said "let's see what sort of left foot he has" - and got a great answer!!
Love him chasing and harrying back if he's lost the ball and that crunching tackle down by the corner of the Holte.
Add to the list of very impressive Villa debuts. Mind you, Carlton Cole played well in his first game....
Agree with that. I said to my Dad he looked like an upgrade to Snoddy. I love Snoddy and his left foot too. Would like them in the same team.
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Have we finished with the fucking Hibee love in yet. As one of I think a rare few Hearts fans on here I think I’ve got some sick in my mouth.
Anyway can I welcome McGinn and was very impressed with his debut, more to come I think and good set piece and crossing ability.
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Have we finished with the fucking Hibee love in yet. As one of I think a rare few Hearts fans on here I think I’ve got some sick in my mouth.
Anyway can I welcome McGinn and was very impressed with his debut, more to come I think and good set piece and crossing ability.
I like Hearts too
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I don't mind them, but not sure why we have chosen to play in their shirts this season. Hibs are a great bunch of lads, though, for their ability to get under the skin of the Ibrox Undead.
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I don't mind them, but not sure why we have chosen to play in their shirts this season. Hibs are a great bunch of lads, though, for their ability to get under the skin of the Ibrox Undead.
Anything that gets under the skin of the weegies of either persuasion is a good thing.
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Erm, excuse me. I think the thread is wrongly titled, isn't his first name Super? Mods, please.
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I don't mind them, but not sure why we have chosen to play in their shirts this season. Hibs are a great bunch of lads, though, for their ability to get under the skin of the Ibrox Undead.
Anything that gets under the skin of the weegies of either persuasion is a good thing.
I assume you are overlooking the mighty Maryhill Magyars on purpose so as not to tar with the same brush.
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One of the best debuts I've had the pleasure of witnessing. We will make a very healthy profit in the future! The fact he chose Villa over C*ltic is also a bonus!
What- you sold him already? Grab a prawn sandwich and celebrate the investment.
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That was some debut for sure. Skill, work rate, passing and shooting throughout the whole game. I’m more excited about how his and Grealish’s inter play develops. There were sighs there on Saturday that it could become something special.
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I was very impressed with SJM very good debut loved what I saw and I met him before the game really nice chap I like Hibs we have had brilliant players off them down the years so got a soft spot for them.
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I'm glad he put in a performance like that, it backs up my thinking that him in a 3 with 2 from Hourihane, Thor, Doyle-Hayes, Lyden or Clarke could work and we wouldn't need a specific defensive midfielder. Then Grealish can have a fairly free role in front of them and not have to worry so much about coming deep to get the ball. We'd lose width but given Kodjia, Green and Adomah all naturally drift wide and woulld be the main options up front they'd give us a lot of the width we're losing.
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Hopefully there's a Villa legend in the McGinn.
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I'm glad he put in a performance like that, it backs up my thinking that him in a 3 with 2 from Hourihane, Thor, Doyle-Hayes, Lyden or Clarke could work and we wouldn't need a specific defensive midfielder. Then Grealish can have a fairly free role in front of them and not have to worry so much about coming deep to get the ball. We'd lose width but given Kodjia, Green and Adomah all naturally drift wide and woulld be the main options up front they'd give us a lot of the width we're losing.
I was thinking on Saturday we could be more effective pulling Kodjia wide, then playing Jack as a False 9 with as few defensive responsibilities as possible. Would also allow McGinn and Hourihane to bomb on with BB sitting deeper. Green then provides the width on the opposite wing.
Doubt Bruceiola would go for it mind.
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One of the best debuts I've had the pleasure of witnessing. We will make a very healthy profit in the future! The fact he chose Villa over C*ltic is also a bonus!
What- you sold him already? Grab a prawn sandwich and celebrate the investment.
Don't sell prawn sandwiches in the lower Holte! Although it's something the catering dept. should look at!
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I'm glad he put in a performance like that, it backs up my thinking that him in a 3 with 2 from Hourihane, Thor, Doyle-Hayes, Lyden or Clarke could work and we wouldn't need a specific defensive midfielder. Then Grealish can have a fairly free role in front of them and not have to worry so much about coming deep to get the ball. We'd lose width but given Kodjia, Green and Adomah all naturally drift wide and woulld be the main options up front they'd give us a lot of the width we're losing.
I was thinking on Saturday we could be more effective pulling Kodjia wide, then playing Jack as a False 9 with as few defensive responsibilities as possible. Would also allow McGinn and Hourihane to bomb on with BB sitting deeper. Green then provides the width on the opposite wing.
Doubt Bruceiola would go for it mind.
That's exactly how I'd set the team up right now. Give Kodjia and Green licence to cut in as much as they want but to start from wider. None of our strikers (other than Davis when he's fit) are going to dominate a centre back and be that traditional target man so instead we'll look to put them in through the channels and test the defence with their mobility instead of their strength.
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Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I don't think it would work Mal. Leith is Leith. We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
We could have a summer and a winter song. A Scorcher In Aston and Wet In Witton. Or maybe even Pissing Down In Perry Barr.
Our anthem should, undoubtedly, be Summer In Summer Lane.
Now if you’ve friends from the country for a day or two,
Take them round the town all the sights to view.
First in Cutler’s for a drink you’ll call, you show
Them the fountain and the Old Town Hall.
Then along Colmore Row, the car you can catch,
To see the Water Melons on the old Black Patch.
But there’s one sight you must not miss.
Before your friends say goodbye, just mention this.
You ought to see the palm trees swaying way down Summer Lane.
Every Saturday night there’s a jubilation
Hear the Birdies singing in The Salutation
Though there’s no snow in Snow Hill,
You’ve no cause to take the train.
To your southern home where the weather is warm
It’s always summer in Summer Lane
Now you keep on sighing for your Dad and Mam
Your Mason Dixie Line and your alabam.
You say you’ve heard your Tennesse call,
Yet you never saw Tennesse at all.
And your songs from Mandy Land have been done Brown
So let’s have a song about your home town.
You ought to see the palm trees swaying way down Summer Lane.
Every Saturday night there’s a jubilation
Hear the Birdies singing in The Salutation
Though there’s no snow in Snow Hill,
You’ve no cause to take the train.
To your southern home where the weather is warm
It’s always summer in Summer Lane
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Only just caught the highlights, but he looked absolutely top drawer. He runs, he tackles, he passes, he wants the ball... and at last we have a player with real quality at set pieces.
Early days, but he seems like a great signing, and for sensible money too. Credit to whoever scouted him.
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I see "a reported fee of £2.75m"
Aston Villa: John McGinn and Steve Bruce 'a match made in heaven' - Alan Stubbs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45151338
Do we know the fee for sure?
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I see "a reported fee of £2.75m"
Aston Villa: John McGinn and Steve Bruce 'a match made in heaven' - Alan Stubbs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45151338
Do we know the fee for sure?
2.5m was what I heard. Regardless, he looks cheap at twice the the price.
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If you weren’t sold on SJM yet then this interview will convince you:
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/exclusive-former-hibs-star-and-celtic-target-john-mcginn-on-choosing-move-to-aston-villa/
SCOTLAND legends Gordon Strachan, Joe Jordan and Gordon McQueen all gave John McGinn their seal of approval when Aston Villa asked for an opinion on his ability.
Manager Steve Bruce – a former team-mate of Strachan at Manchester United and McGinn’s previous Scotland boss – and his coaches made exhaustive checks on the talented midfielder.
The feedback convinced them to push the boat out to sign him from Hibs in a £3m deal, beating off fierce competition from Celtic to do so.
Everyone Villa turned to told the English Championship club that they would be signing an excellent player, one who could help the club win promotion.
When the deal had been done, Brendan Rodgers remained fulsome in his praise of McGinn, but was clearly disappointed to have missed out on one of his major signing targets.
For his own part, McGinn is delighted to be part of such an ambitious club, and is excited – and humbled – to be following in the footsteps of one of his heroes, Stan Petrov, by joining the Midlands outfit.
In an exclusive interview, McGinn told The Sunday Post: “It’s very flattering if people with such standing in the game have said such nice things about me. It’s very kind of them.
“This an exciting challenge and it has always been an ambition of mine to play in English football.
“Looking on from afar, I always had an idea Aston Villa were a big club.
“But now realise I misjudged it – they are a massive club.
“The training ground is out of this world, and the stadium has that old-fashioned feel about it, a proper, traditional stadium.
“I want to do my bit to see it bouncing every week as we all pull together to help the club win promotion this season.
“The Villa fans have a brilliant reputation, and it’s going to be my privilege to play in front of them for the next few years.
“I feel tremendous pride to be here.
“I’m also following in the footsteps of guys such as Stiliyan Petrov.
“He was one of my favourite players at Celtic, and he enjoyed many successful years at Villa, as well as captaining the club.
“Stiliyan made an exceptional impact here – on and off the pitch – and I can only try to live up to the high standards set by him and others.
“There is also a strong Scottish connection, from Alan Hutton in the team to Colin Calderwood on the coaching staff.
“The Scotland manager, Alex McLeish, used to be the manager here, and Eric Black, Steve Clarke and Gary McAllister have all coached here in the past few seasons.
“Paul Lambert was also the manager.
“Going even further back, my dad tells me there was a Scottish influence when Aston Villa won the European Cup in 1982 when they beat Bayern Munich, and guys such as Allan Evans, Ken McNaught and Des Bremner were in the team.
“So I feel proud to be here and to be a part of such a special club.
“The onus is now on everyone here at the current time to create our own history, and try to get us back into the Premier League.
“We have an excellent manager in Steve Bruce and he has brilliant guys beside him. We are geared up to give it a right go.
“However, we are well aware that there are some top sides in this division, and there will always be a fancy from the neutrals for the newly-relegated clubs such as Swansea, Stoke and West Brom to be heavily involved when it comes to the business end of the campaign.
“You can then add in other clubs such as Middlesbrough, Derby County, Leeds United, Nottingham Forest and a few more.
“So we can all see just how tough a challenge faces us all. But I’m up for it. I love this kind of stuff. I’m ready for it.”
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Good lad. And fair play to his dad for his educational output. 😊
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Blimey, a footballer with a brain, respect and insight. Is there anything this lad is crap at?
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What a great interview.
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Blimey, a footballer with a brain, respect and insight. Is there anything this lad is crap at?
As he's from Scotland - probably sunbathing
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Blimey, a footballer with a brain, respect and insight. Is there anything this lad is crap at?
As he's from Scotland - probably sunbathing
Hahaha!
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I'm just excited our central midfield will be Xacki and McGinniesta
My 13 year - who has put up with so much over his lifetime of being like Dad and supporting Villa - has just ordered his new shirt with McGiniesta 7 on the back. Thanks Colhint :)
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Good lad. And fair play to his dad for his educational output. 😊
Absolutely.
Someone needs to show him the McGregor statue as well if he wants to learn about a bit more Scottish heritage around the club.
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Seems like it could be a really good signing on the evidence so far. I’m interested that he picked us over Celtic- he clearly would’ve been made very welcome there also. Maybe he is seeing the bigger picture and what could be if we go up.
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They are about to broadcast a recording of his dressing room initiation song performance on Talksport.
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'A Little Respect' by Erasure. I would give him seven out of ten generally (until he tried to hit the high note at the end).
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Has made a very good start
I wonder if we can get hourihane in the team alongside him. I don't love Conor but he does have a goal threat.
Maybe we could play three in a midfield, but I wouldn't try it against Brentford. Could McGinn play wide? He does seem to have a good delivery.
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2 games, 2 assists.
This is my main gripe with Grealish - for all his obvious comfort on the ball he rarely makes a contribution that changes a game. This fella on the other hand has come in and immediately started creating goals.
Long may it continue.
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i'd like us to loan a more mobile and better version of a Jedinak to play behind Grealish and McGinn. Despite our unbeaten run, we are not dominating games as we are a bit soft through the middle, also need a striker to hole the ball up.
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2 games, 2 assists.
This is my main gripe with Grealish - for all his obvious comfort on the ball he rarely makes a contribution that changes a game. This fella on the other hand has come in and immediately started creating goals.
Long may it continue.
Harsh on Grealish, he made one in the first game with a great corner, he played a fantastic pass for the goal in the week and even when he's not directly involved in a move he's got 2 men fairly near him almost all the time because teams are terrified of giving him space. Who gets the assist or plays the key pass doesn't matter so long as the midfield is creating chances. Take away set pieces and, right now, we're not creating anything like as many as we should with the players we have.
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Grealish does need to improve his productivity though
I haven't seen it but apparently there was a chance today where rather than shoot he took a number of touches and the chance went
He needs to have more of a killer instinct
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Grealish needs create and score more for chances to open up for others around him.
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He should have scored to be honest. He only needed to pull the trigger, but kept faking and pulling wider across the penalty box. He was only 10 yards out.
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He should have scored to be honest. He only needed to pull the trigger, but kept faking and pulling wider across the penalty box. He was only 10 yards out.
That’s the frustrating bit right now about Jack. He needs to be more ruthless and decisive in the final third.
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Grealish needs create and score more for chances to open up for others around him.
It's difficult to do so when you're hacked to the ground every time you get the ball.
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Grealish needs create and score more for chances to open up for others around him.
It's difficult to do so when you're hacked to the ground every time you get the ball.
He's always been like that though, even before he'd been declared the next Messi.
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Nobody has declared him the next Messi. And he's always been like what? Kicked?
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Nobody has declared him the next Messi. And he's always been like what? Kicked?
Not Messi but Iniesta
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Shot shy, generally preferring to look for the foul rather than taking the shot on.
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He's better than Zidane.
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Shot shy, generally preferring to look for the foul rather than taking the shot on.
Have you seen some of the goals he scored for Hibs????
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Oh feck, you were on about Jack lol
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Shot shy, generally preferring to look for the foul rather than taking the shot on.
Have you seen some of the goals he scored for Hibs????
I think the quote was about Grealish rather than McGinn (but I might be wrong)
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You're not "looking for the foul" if you're cynically hacked to the floor. Total nonsense.
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Grealish is constantly hacked down. I don't understand what other fans moan about when their cloggers lamp him.
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Oh feck, you were on about Jack lol
Of course they are.
Who did you expect them to be discussing in the John McGinn thread?
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Each game he has played for us so far he has been picked out by the press and other media for praise. I know it is still early days obviously.
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He is fucking steal. Best signing we've made in a decade.
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He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.
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Can we start calling him Des?
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I love SJM
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He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.
Tonight's ref was diabolical. I could see that stamp on the half way line from the Holte End but that prick Moss couldn't see it from 20 yards away.
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Love this guy
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Love this guy
Yes fantastic tonight
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What a player. Absolutely love the lad.
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Yep, has quality on the ball, great vision, gets stuck in too, what a find.
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He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.
Tonight's ref was diabolical. I could see that stamp on the half way line from the Holte End but that prick Moss couldn't see it from 20 yards away.
Lino missed it as well from about 15 yards away
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Looks an absolute steal so far. Very impressed with him.
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First I’ve seen of him, great energy and attitude. Didn’t think his set pieces were anything special and thought he had a tendancity to hit it long too often.
Better than Houlihane and a good signing by the look of it.
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Absolutely superb way he plays , closes down and knows how to play midfield
His delivery is effortless as he some sort of Griezmann or Silva .
Really the main man of midfield and lol iked how whelan worked with him
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He may not score as many goals as Connor but we look a far better balanced team with him in midfield.
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He may not score as many goals as Connor but we look a far better balanced team with him in midfield.
He doesn't pass back as much as Connor
They don't have to wonder where he is
He can tackle and press far better
I like this upgrade !
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First live viewing, pretty impressed.
A real tigerish presence in midfield and good quality on the ball.
Way he's been so far is what I thought we were getting when we signed Hourihane.
Fancy him to score on Saturday.
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First live viewing, pretty impressed.
A real tigerish presence in midfield and good quality on the ball.
Way he's been so far is what I thought we were getting when we signed Hourihane.
Fancy him to score on Saturday.
My second viewing of him and he understandably looked a bit. sharper than he did against Wigan. Thought he tired a bit towards the end, but had a good game and his set pieces are a real threat.
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He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.
Tonight's ref was diabolical. I could see that stamp on the half way line from the Holte End but that prick Moss couldn't see it from 20 yards away.
Lino missed it as well from about 15 yards away
Dean Smith seems to be defending it...
If you remember the incident, Mile Jedinak fell over, got up and then smashed Neal in the back of the head so, if they are looking at retrospective for Neal, then we'll do so for Jedinak.
Prick.
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Fair play to Smith. He's obviously a Villa supporter, trying to get Jedinak suspended.
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*Like*
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Fantastic player, what a steal, thanks Hibs......again!
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I wonder if that game and Smith's defence of the indefensible marks the point at which Smith ceased to be a contender for the Villa job. Defending his own player can be seen as loyalty. Attacking a Villa player tit for tat smacks of narkiness, a side of Smith not widely known. Did not do his career prospects much good I suspect.
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You could be right Brian. Not sure the niggly nasty side of their approach will have done much either.
I don't think he'll ever manage us, not unless he goes somewhere bigger than Brentford on the way.
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The only questions I have is how did we get him for a such cheap price and why were no other English teams in for him.
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The only questions I have is how did we get him for a such cheap price and why were no other English teams in for him.
Into the last year of his contract....an absolute steal for us!
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I wonder if that game and Smith's defence of the indefensible marks the point at which Smith ceased to be a contender for the Villa job. Defending his own player can be seen as loyalty. Attacking a Villa player tit for tat smacks of narkiness, a side of Smith not widely known. Did not do his career prospects much good I suspect.
Dean Smith is employed by Brentford, to manage the interests of Brentford. He'll do that by all legal means necessary, and if doing so means having a go back at an opposition players, so be it. We regularly bemoan the fact that the Villa are too nice in certain matters, and I don't imagine for one second that when we're looking for a new manager the fact that he had a go at one of our players will count against him any more that Steve Bruce dancing on the pitch when his collection of rogues, vagabonds and ne'erdowells salvaged a point against us counted against him.
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The only questions I have is how did we get him for a such cheap price and why were no other English teams in for him.
I was best man at a wedding in the Highlands two weeks ago...north of Inverness!! The football followers of every stripe were saying what a steal he is. Many liked him enough to start following what he does at Villa.
Most importantly, the Celtic fans were pleased they lost out on him...think about that. They were pleased because a) he's an excellent Scottish prospect who deserves better than sitting on Celtic's bench
and b) it highlights their club's shitty transfer dealings trying to get the best youngsters on the cheap which leads to a) again.
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Fair play to Smith. He's obviously a Villa supporter, trying to get Jedinak suspended.
He also knew we're shit against 10 men.
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Fuck Dean Smith and his team of cynical cloggers.
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The gripe by Smith about the retrospective banning of one of his players came across to me - and this is a forum for personal views - as unnecessarily combative. Plus I do not subscribe to the "our player right or wrong" philosophy in the game.
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The gripe by Smith about the retrospective banning of one of his players came across to me - and this is a forum for personal views - as unnecessarily combative. Plus I do not subscribe to the "our player right or wrong" philosophy in the game.
Heat of the moment post match reaction to losing two points at the death. On reflection it looks like he saw sense and swallowed the punishment with no come back.
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When we looked at our best last season, with our best 11, you always just felt we were a tiny bit short of being a top 2/promoted through the play offs team. That shortage came in the form of Kodjia being injured and his stand ins just looking a bit inferior and the other shortage was having Hourahane in that best starting 11, a good player on his day in this league but not consistent enough. McGinn appears to be the upgrade we needed and Kodjia is now back and appears to be firing again.
The problem we now have is that we haven't replaced Terry and the GK replacement for Johnstone might be good enough, might not, we'll see.
It also looks like Bolassie will be the alternative for Snodgrass which will be another one we'll have to hope works out but time will tell.
Whilst I'm delighted with the new owners coming in it's a shame it wasn't a month or so earlier in terms of our chances this season.
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Scotland V Belgium. 745pm
Jon Mcginn number 7 for villa and Scotland .
I hope he's not playing with this injury Bruce was going on about.
Think he'll put up a decent showing tonight as he's all action.
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Scotland V Belgium. 745pm
Jon Mcginn number 7 for villa and Scotland .
I hope he's not playing with this injury Bruce was going on about.
Think he'll put up a decent showing tonight as he's all action.
He’s caught the Villa disease by all accounts.
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“If you were a Belgian, it was pretty and what you would have expected from your boys. If you were a Scot it was painful, an evisceration of McLeish's notion that his team were good enough to go "toe-to-toe" with the third best team in the world. Delusional.
Just before the half-hour, Belgium got their first. Craig Gordon unwisely rolled the ball out to McGinn, who was facing his own goal and unaware of the danger he was in. His first touch was a total Captain and allowed Mousa Dembele to ransack him and feed Thorgan Hazard, who calmly rolled it across for Lukaku to score his 41st international goal.”
Always good too see Scotland get a pasting, not so good when our bright hope has a mare.
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Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!
https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392
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Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!
https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392
All I read is a bitter and twisted fenian :). They're just upset because McGinn chose a superior team to sign for.
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I just hope we don't coach the quality out of this kid, typical Villa stylee. He could be a fantastic player but we need a settled starting eleven and players playing in their right formation. Get Jedinak in behind McGinn and Jack and let them play further forward.
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Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!
https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392
All I read is a bitter and twisted fenian :).
I'm pretty sure you could have chosen your words a bit more carefully there.
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That's what three weeks of Steve Bruce inspired coaching does for you.
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Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!
https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392
All I read is a bitter and twisted fenian :).
I'm pretty sure you could have chosen your words a bit more carefully there.
Sorry Dave, it was a joke (ok a bad joke) hence the smiley face.
No offence meant to anyone on here.
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Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.
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Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.
Even I'd look world class against Albania.
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Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.
Even I'd look world class against Albania.
No easy games these days - just give the guy some praise!
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Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.
Even I'd look world class against Albania.
In overall footballing terms I'd say Scotland and Albania are pretty evenly matched.
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Take a bow son
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McGinn goal (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11505514/mcginn-scores-wonder-goal)
McGinn goal as well https://twitter.com/WittonRoad/status/1043519792089587714
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The technique on that goal was superb!
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He's half way to the Trinity celebrating before it goes in! Imagine how good he might be with a proper manager rather than the two dinosaurs in charge of him at the minute.
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A fantastic goal. The only time I left the comfort of my sofa, and the only time I said anything remotely positive all match.
The bright point on a crap day for us, was McGinn.
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I’ve seen better team goals but as an individual effort I think this has to be the best I’ve ever seen at VP by a Villa player.
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Must wonder why bother
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That looked like the best goal in England for this season if David Silva or Pogba scored that they wouldn't shut up.
Brilliant brilliant goal and really thought go on to win but alas.
Anyway super volley
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A true wonder goal !
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McGinn goal (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11505514/mcginn-scores-wonder-goal)
McGinn goal as well https://twitter.com/WittonRoad/status/1043519792089587714
Kind of Sky to add
“John McGinn scored a superb equaliser in Aston Villa's 1-1 draw with Sheffield Wednesday at Villa Park.”
Perhaps they also agree it was good enough for the ref to blow up for the final whistle at that point, or retrospectively scratch off one of their goals, as that one was clearly worth two of theirs.
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better shot at villa Park. That’s the best strike in 46 years in my opinion.
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An absolute worldie from JM today.
...and thanks for running the midfield on your own too. Great job.
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Might as well close Goal of the Season now. Can't see anyone bettering that
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Best goal we've scored for a decade?
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Still this one for me
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2429073/Lowton_Goal_1.gif)
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I always get annoyed when people suggest that players are definitely leaving the club. I cling to the idea that villa are big enough to keep their best players. However, even I think this time McGinn will only be with us for one season.
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That Lowton goal was an absolute beauty but any goal that goes in off the bar gets extra marks. And if it then bounces back up and hits the roof on the net you're into dreamland. Add in a goalie who gets back up and still thinks he can save it, oblivious to the fact the goalscorer's already wheeling away in celebration and, well, I reckon the only goal I've seen at VP better was Scholes' rocket against us direct from the corner.
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I'd shamefully forgotten about Lowtons.
While McGinns is still fresh though that was sublime, it should of realistically ended up deep in the Holte. Ashame it was just a consolation goal.
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Lowton wins it for a few reasons. It was my first away game in yonks, the terrace mental when it went in, the importance of it, the fact it was a defender hitting that even with 2 players closing him down.
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It’s reminiscent of Paul Scoles’ up the other end a few years back, simply brilliant technique and power.
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I could watch that goal all day.
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Just a shame that it didn’t count for anything.
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Lowton wins it for a few reasons. It was my first away game in yonks, the terrace mental when it went in, the importance of it, the fact it was a defender hitting that even with 2 players closing him down.
Outweighed by personal sentiment in that case. Yesterday the goal ended up meaning nothing but as most have said for a one-off shot it was beautifully, perfectly placed. The in off the underside of the bar also adds extra drama - demonstrated finely by Tony Yeboah twice in quick succession at the beginning of the 1995/96 season.
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All those are reasons why it's better, so even without personal sentiment, it's still better imo. Both are fantastic though.
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Just a shame that it didn’t count for anything.
If we stay up on goal difference it will.
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Lowton because it was just stupendous skill from a FB in the Premier League. But in both cases the technique is simply outstanding. Both goals get better and better every time you watch them. Shame there isn’t a video of the Lowton goal from directly behind.
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I always get annoyed when people suggest that players are definitely leaving the club. I cling to the idea that villa are big enough to keep their best players. However, even I think this time McGinn will only be with us for one season.
Did you see the game yesterday? It was a great goal but otherwise McGinn was absolutely awful. I wouldn't be too worried about him moving on to greater things just yet.
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Lowton because it was just stupendous skill from a FB in the Premier League. But in both cases the technique is simply outstanding. Both goals get better and better every time you watch them. Shame there isn’t a video of the Lowton goal from directly behind.
Not completely behind him sadly
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Both magnificent goals Mr Shin
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I always get annoyed when people suggest that players are definitely leaving the club. I cling to the idea that villa are big enough to keep their best players. However, even I think this time McGinn will only be with us for one season.
Did you see the game yesterday? It was a great goal but otherwise McGinn was absolutely awful. I wouldn't be too worried about him moving on to greater things just yet.
Early in the game, I thought, "yep, didn't take us long there to coach it all out of him".
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Great strike by McGinn but I also think Lowton’s was better. I also preferred Jack’s late strike v Cardiff last seaso.
I generally prefer strikes that hit the net rather than go in off the woodwork - much cleaner and there is no moment of doubt that about the goal. When the ball bounced down off the bar yesterday I was looking for somebody to follow up and only realised we had scored when the ball bounced up into the roof of the net. I’m much happier without that split second of doubt.
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I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
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I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Don't get me wrong I like him too. But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
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I disagree. He gave the ball away in a dangerous position once. Other than that, pretty good. Always looking for a dangerous pass. I'd like to see him back on corner duty ahead of Hot Lips.
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I disagree. He gave the ball away in a dangerous position once. Other than that, pretty good. Always looking for a dangerous pass. I'd like to see him back on corner duty ahead of Hot Lips.
He gave it away a lot more than once and was generally ineffective. I took my father in law to the game and had given him a big build up all morning. Neither of us could be live how poor he was.
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Pass accuracy 91%. So he may have given it away more than once but it wasn't a large number. I think he is likely to give the ball away occasionally as he is always looking for a pass that creates something, rather than just playing a Glen Whelan two yard pass. We will gain far more than we lose from his passes.
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I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Don't get me wrong I like him too. But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Nah, not that bad.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.
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McGinn his goal apart had a stinker of a game. I thought Sanchez had snuck back in the team.
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Jack's goal last season was superb - for the occasion of putting us right back into the mix (albeit a long shot) that evening. Clearly, Lowton's goal was also beaut upon reviewing it again.
But, McGinn's goal yesterday, I was just stunned into silence when it happened. After the crowd had settled down I said to my 15 year old lad "Remember that, son. Witnessing moments like that don't come often".
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I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Don't get me wrong I like him too. But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Nah, not that bad.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.
Hutton was okay, and made possibly the best interception I've ever seen at Villa Park to prevent a certain goal.
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I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Don't get me wrong I like him too. But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Nah, not that bad.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.
Hutton was okay, and made possibly the best interception I've ever seen at Villa Park to prevent a certain goal.
See this is part of the overall problem.Hutton was "okay".
He wasn't.He stank and he always stinks.Probably culpable more than any one player for our demise.
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I think that's total bollocks, tbh.
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I think that's total bollocks, tbh.
Absolutely. Anyone who thinks Hutton's the main reason for our demise either has a really short memory or hasn't been to many matches at all over the past decade.
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I think that's total bollocks, tbh.
Absolutely. Anyone who thinks Hutton's the main reason for our demise either has a really short memory or hasn't been to many matches at all over the past decade.
That's bollocks and if you can't see it I reckon you've been watching matches with rose coloured filters.
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You're in the minority here. Quit while you're behind.
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No.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.
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No.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.
Has he fucked your missus?
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The fact that a player as limited as Hutton has been one of our better performers over the last few years tells you a lot about the state we're in. However, that's not remotely the same as saying he's culpable for our demise and endemic of all our problems, which is clearly bollocks.
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I thought Hutton was shit in the first half, Reach had him on toast. Second half he was a little better but still got done a few times and, as always, he makes us far too narrow because he can't offer an overlap on the left. That's not entirely his fault but I really don't see the point of giving him a new contract for him to be a specialist left back.
I agree that he made a brilliant interception but he needs to offer much more than throwing himself in the way of a shot every now and then.
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No.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.
Has he fucked your missus?
The fuck
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A brilliant goal by John McGinn really like the man.
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His goal has been on all the main news sites over here (even though La Repubblica referred to as The Hammers...). I've had quite a few people writing to me to mention it.
I saw it being discussed here, but can't find it now, but for me it was better than the Lowton strike. He was hitting more or less through the line of the ball, while McGinn was hitting across it. Positioning and timing was everything. Had he not struck it perfectly, it would have ended up on Witton Lane.
Plus, bouncing it into the roof of the net, having struck the bar, is always a bit special!
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No.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.
Has he fucked your missus?
The fuck
It must have been a standout performance.
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It’s terribly sad that the goal ultimately meant nothing, when it should have been the catalyst to drive us onto a result.
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I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.
Don't get me wrong I like him too. But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Nah, not that bad.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.
Hutton was okay, and made possibly the best interception I've ever seen at Villa Park to prevent a certain goal.
Hutton was poor, despite the excellent saving tackle in the second half.
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I went full on Partridge to that goal screaming out "Shit!! Did you see that?! He must have a foot like a traction engine!!"
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His goal has been on all the main news sites over here (even though La Repubblica referred to as The Hammers...). I've had quite a few people writing to me to mention it.
And over here. It made the ESPN sports center top 10 plays (for any sport, not just football).
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I wouldn't be averse to Mcginn given bench and brought in if to get a right balance in team for the Preston match.
Just as a consideration and consequence as least performing and all that from last match at Bristol so he should but I don't think will be 'rested'
However he scored best goal ever recently so really don't think he will be not included though looks like needs a rest .
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I love McGinn
Hourihane seems our most reliable source of goals and assists at the moment
Jack is in theory our best player
But I can't figure out how to get them all in the same side consistently
People say you don't need a holding midfielders, that we didn't really have one when we won the league.
But there's a reason even the most attacking teams play with one. Football has changed. Even championship teams play with players between the lines nowadays.
When cantona came to England he was the best player in the league, despite having no pace and never doing anything internationally and in Europe. A major reason was that 442 just couldn't deal with a man playing behind the striker.
It might work against Rotherham but it's not the sustainable way forwards
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I think a midfield with Hourihane in will always struggle to boss a match. He doesn't have the bite, drive or energy to get a proper grip on a game, in my opinion. But he's proved already this season that he can change matches coming off the bench; when there's a bit more space on the pitch and he can get a bit of time on the ball, he can be very useful.
It's got to be McGinn, Jack and one of Jedinak, Whelan or Bjanasson, which we can rotate depending on who we're playing. With two wingers (Bolasie and El Ghazi) playing off Tammy up front. We then have Kodjia and Hourihane to come off the bench to change things around. Of course, we'd never need them, as that front six should smash every team in this league.
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I think we could see an odd line-up tonight. Odd in that it will be in line with what we want, but with odd tactics. So that when we lose he can say 'I told you so' or if we win, 'I've been wanting to try that lineup for a while but couldn't get everyone fit'.
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I think a midfield with Hourihane in will always struggle to boss a match. He doesn't have the bite, drive or energy to get a proper grip on a game, in my opinion. But he's proved already this season that he can change matches coming off the bench; when there's a bit more space on the pitch and he can get a bit of time on the ball, he can be very useful.
It's got to be McGinn, Jack and one of Jedinak, Whelan or Bjanasson, which we can rotate depending on who we're playing. With two wingers (Bolasie and El Ghazi) playing off Tammy up front. We then have Kodjia and Hourihane to come off the bench to change things around. Of course, we'd never need them, as that front six should smash every team in this league.
Agree with that. On paper, we have got some good attacking and midfield options.
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Feels like he was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch
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Feels like he was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch
I said on here a while back that Grealish hasn't looked as effective since Mcginn has come in.
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Feels like he was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch
I said on here a while back that Grealish hasn't looked as effective since Mcginn has come in.
You both mean that Bruce can't work out how to use 2 talents in his midfield. Pep found that hard with Xavi and Iniesta,Silva and deBruyne.Poch has difficulties with Alli and Ericksen.Where would he have played Grealish ?
Give Jack a freer role,he is outstanding at finding space and beating players.The closer to the opponents's box he is,the more dangerous he becomes.McGinn seems to possess all round talents,kudos to Bruce for getting him,and could feature in any midfield position.
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Feels like he was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch
I said on here a while back that Grealish hasn't looked as effective since Mcginn has come in.
You both mean that Bruce can't work out how to use 2 talents in his midfield. Pep found that hard with Xavi and Iniesta,Silva and deBruyne.Poch has difficulties with Alli and Ericksen.Where would he have played Grealish ?
Give Jack a freer role,he is outstanding at finding space and beating players.The closer to the opponents's box he is,the more dangerous he becomes.McGinn seems to possess all round talents,kudos to Bruce for getting him,and could feature in any midfield position.
Rob, I like John McGinn. A lot. But never use any of our midfielders or concerns dipshit Bruce might have in the same book let alone sentence as Xavi/Iniesta or Pep/Pochettino
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The way mcginn won ball and set it up for Abraham is what I most liked about him.
I would have him ahead of Whelan to take a pen too!
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I think a midfield with Hourihane in will always struggle to boss a match. He doesn't have the bite, drive or energy to get a proper grip on a game, in my opinion. But he's proved already this season that he can change matches coming off the bench; when there's a bit more space on the pitch and he can get a bit of time on the ball, he can be very useful.
It's got to be McGinn, Jack and one of Jedinak, Whelan or Bjanasson, which we can rotate depending on who we're playing. With two wingers (Bolasie and El Ghazi) playing off Tammy up front. We then have Kodjia and Hourihane to come off the bench to change things around. Of course, we'd never need them, as that front six should smash every team in this league.
Exactly.
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Called up to the scotland squad vs Israel and Portugal
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Ok
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He was terrible against PNE. His worst game so far.
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And still forced a goal, so he’s not doing too bad.
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He was terrible against PNE. His worst game so far.
Can’t think of anyone who didn’t look awful second half including Grealish.
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He was terrible against PNE. His worst game so far.
I thought the Bristol city one was his worst largely not apparent
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And still forced a goal, so he’s not doing too bad.
Like many of the others, I thought he had a good first half, but was pretty anonymous in the second. Think he would benefit from playing a bit further forward than he has been recently, as he pretty anonymous against Bristol City at times as well.
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It’s all a system of the “shape” of the team. We get a proper manager in and he’ll be great.
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It’s all a system of the “shape” of the team. We get a proper manager in and he’ll be great.
Exactly. I'm just thankful for his effort all over the pitch when others around him consider trotting about as "putting in a shift".
Oh yeah, and he scored a world class goal.
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The second half was so bad against Preston that I struggle to discriminate between our better and worse performers
He could do with a break maybe?
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The second half was so bad against Preston that I struggle to discriminate between our better and worse performers
He could do with a break maybe?
We cant just ask good players to play bloody mumbo jumbo though - that is exactly what happened 2nd half of PNE. When we were crying out for shape and control of the game the clear direction from management didnt come.
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It's funny how history repeats itself. An absolutely dismal second half against Preston did for our last two managers.
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It's funny how history repeats itself. An absolutely dismal second half against Preston did for our last two managers.
Not just that. But both sacked on the same date, October 3rd two years apart. That’s bizarre.
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It's funny how history repeats itself. An absolutely dismal second half against Preston did for our last two managers.
Not just that. But both sacked on the same date, October 3rd two years apart. That’s bizarre.
And neither should have been employed.
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Being asked to play on the left of a 4 did for him 2nd half. Bjarnason should have gone there. They were having a field day against McGinn and Hutton as the former had no clue how to play the position.
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Happy birthday John.
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Yes happy birthday John, you have a manager who has a clue what he’s doing now so hopefully we’ll see the best of you.
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He's not in the lead in the Goal of the Month vote! You can vote here.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11516456/watch-vote-sky-bet-championship-league-one-and-league-two-goals-of-the-month-september
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His goal and the Reach one are hard to separate to be honest.
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His goal and the Reach one are hard to separate to be honest.
McGinns is superior, by a country mile. The way the ball pops up in front of Reach, given 50 attempts i reckon i could recreate it, there or there abouts. I think 5000 attempts at McGinns and I still wouldn't nail it. The irony that it may not win GOTM as voted for by fans, I reckon it will win goal of the season if by a professional panel
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The second half was so bad against Preston that I struggle to discriminate between our better and worse performers
He could do with a break maybe?
He's been involved with Scotland over the international break, so a short rest at this point might not be the worst idea to keep him fresh.
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He's not in the lead in the Goal of the Month vote! You can vote here.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11516456/watch-vote-sky-bet-championship-league-one-and-league-two-goals-of-the-month-september
Update - Neck and neck now
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I've put my vote in for Super John.
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McGinn now 51% of the votes, Reach 45%
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I have just taken him up to 54%
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I've added to the weight. Look a like victory for the good guys in the Peoples Vote.
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Still leading
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I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
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I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
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I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
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I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
Yep, I think this is a good chance for a lot of players who have been well below the standard you'd expect. I expect Grealish, McGinn, El Ghazi and Kodjia in particular to benefit over the next 3-4 months (probably Hogan, Thor and Lansbury as well).
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I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
Me too. And I think we’ll be rewarded. Dean Smith’s Brentford side weren’t afraid to mix it when the opportunity arose.
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I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
Me too. And I think we’ll be rewarded. Dean Smith’s Brentford side weren’t afraid to mix it when the opportunity arose.
They reminded me of Fulham. Lauded for their football but a right dirty bunch of fuckers at times which a career in lower league playing will teach you.
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I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
Me too. And I think we’ll be rewarded. Dean Smith’s Brentford side weren’t afraid to mix it when the opportunity arose.
Brentford impressed me with their ability to give it out a bit on their last visit to Villa Park, they were no shrinking violets.
Any more for any more? https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11516456/watch-vote-sky-bet-championship-league-one-and-league-two-goals-of-the-month-september
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I’ve done my bit.
55% JM.
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I've just got him up to 56% - 15% ahead now. It's in the bag!
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I've just got him up to 56% - 15% ahead now. It's in the bag!
The onion bag!!
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Suspended for Tuesday away to Norwich. Chance for Smith to look at other players.
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Quality again today. Energy and drive with tacking and passing.
Reckon he covered at least 1km more than others.
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Suspended for Tuesday away to Norwich. Chance for Smith to look at other players.
I’d like him to play every game! On the upside though, he grafted today and more than likely did for Scotland during the break, so at least he’ll be nice and fresh for QPR on Friday night!
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I thought he was brilliant today, he epitomises everything Dean Smith looks for in a player, dynamism, tackles well, passes well, always working and looking for the ball!
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I thought he was brilliant today, he epitomises everything Dean Smith looks for in a player, dynamism, tackles well, passes well, always working and looking for the ball!
Yes he was colossus today, haven't seen a tenacious tackler like that at VP for a while.
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I thought he was brilliant today, he epitomises everything Dean Smith looks for in a player, dynamism, tackles well, passes well, always working and looking for the ball!
Yes he was colossus today, haven't seen a tenacious tackler like that at VP for a while.
Best performance in a Villa shirt so far, workrate and tenacity are a pleasure to watch. A definite "throwback" to the 70s and 80s
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Superb today. Tackles in the double digits, constantly winning the ball back and setting up attacks. His workrate is fantastic - just a shame his one real shooting chance almost ended up the Upper Holte!
I wouldn't thank Steve Bruce for much, but I do for signing him.
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Haven't seen anything from today but from reports it sounds like him and Thor did the 'defensive' midfield role in the way I like to see.
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He was very good today just loved his tenacity and drive. Also uses his ass very effectively. And yes John thanks for becoming the first holder of Tonev award as no one has made it to the Holte upper tier since he left.
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The way he sort of shoves people off to make space for himself is fantastic.
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McGinn uses his arse like Gareth Barry. And that is a high compliment rather than a piss take.
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Magnificent,apart from that shot.Just love the way he shields the ball after winning it back and then drives forward in the next movement.
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How was it not a penalty when he was picked up and thrown to the ground at that corner late on?
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He will get better as he gets used to the pace and fitness of English football.
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He will get better as he gets used to the pace and fitness of English football.
He will get better when his bloody teammates get up to his speed.
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Suspended for Tuesday away to Norwich. Chance for Smith to look at other players.
With the Scotland games, he's played a lot of football this season, so the break, even though it's only 6 days, will do him good.
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McGinn uses his arse like Gareth Barry. And that is a high compliment rather than a piss take.
He tackles with his arse rather than his feet!
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Our best player again. Cracking
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He steals the ball, he screens the ball and he shields the ball to perfection. Great skills, although I'm sure he'll get sent off before long if he mistimes one of his 100mph lunges.
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He's certainly got the Petrov/Barry arse the way he shields it.
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He steals the ball, he screens the ball and he shields the ball to perfection. Great skills, although I'm sure he'll get sent off before long if he mistimes one of his 100mph lunges.
If that prick who assaulted Grealish today near the dugouts didn't get sent off then McGinniesta should be fine.
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He was superb but sometimes his over exuberance gets him into trouble and he loses the ball. But you cannot teach over exuberance. He’s got it in abundance and a first class attitude. Brilliant player.
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He steals the ball, he screens the ball and he shields the ball to perfection. Great skills, although I'm sure he'll get sent off before long if he mistimes one of his 100mph lunges.
If that prick who assaulted Grealish today near the dugouts didn't get sent off then McGinniesta should be fine.
The ref didn't even give a foul for the assault on Grealish did he? Got to say these refs are getting worse, if that is possible.
SJM was superb and has the energy and drive that the manager will be expecting from all of the players in the coming months.
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He was superb but sometimes his over exuberance gets him into trouble and he loses the ball. But you cannot teach over exuberance. He’s got it in abundance and a first class attitude. Brilliant player.
Our best player for me today. I’m really impressed with his tenacity and energy. Hopefully we will manage without him Tuesday.
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The ref didn't even give a foul for the assault on Grealish did he?
No - absolute joker!
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Someone who will massively prosper in the Smith system imo. I think he's done pretty well in most of his games so far.
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The lad is a real blood and guts grafter- and well commited--to run up 5 bookings already speaks volumes, ---will sure be missed at Carrow Road,
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I love this guy. I thought he was great
Does need to learn when to press etc. But I thought he was terrific
Outshone grealish
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He’s had a few quiet games but great to see him so involved yesterday. An excellent signing I know exactly what you mean re the arse thing. He steps past the ball and shields with his backside, something he does a lot.
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He was definitely my man of the match.
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McGinn was brilliant yesterday. One of those all-action midfield performances that opposition teams hate.
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Someone who will massively prosper in the Smith system imo. I think he's done pretty well in most of his games so far.
Only real problem I foresee is that Grealish likes to drift out to the left a bit and I think that is area where McGinn is most effective. He certainly got stuck in and broke play up well yesterday.
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McGinn was brilliant yesterday. One of those all-action midfield performances that opposition teams hate.
Manages to produce an exclusion zone around himself by getting low down and sticking his bum out (more tea vicar) to shield the ball whilst being challenged.
Reminds me of Mark Hughes in that respect.
He was head and shoulders above anything else on that pitch yesterday.
The premier league sides will come a knocking if he keeps this form up.
How do we stop that......
Get promoted
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Yes, he was excellent again. It'll be interesting to see who replaces him on Tuesday.
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He runs like he's got an invisible bag full of shopping over each arm.
I really like him.
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Yes, he was excellent again. It'll be interesting to see who replaces him on Tuesday.
I think it should be Micah Richards with strict instructions that if he doesn't cover the same distance as McGinn did yesterday his contract would be immediately cancelled.
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Yes, he was excellent again. It'll be interesting to see who replaces him on Tuesday.
Hourihane surely?
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He's excellent. Very rarely makes a mistake, and just keeps going like the Duracell bunny.
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Reminds me a little of Milner when he played in the centre...and now for Liverpool.
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Reminds me a little of Milner when he played in the centre...and now for Liverpool.
I'd love to see McGinn v Milner on a bleep test. They'd run out of bleeps before either of those two gave up!
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He can't possibly keep this up, can he? Who does he think he is, the Scottish James Milner?
I've only seen the briefest of highlights, but brilliant, again.
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Again, I've only seen the highlights but it looked obvious that Smith's told him to push forward more - he must've had half a dozen clear cut chances where he was the furthest man forwards.
With his engine he's capable of doing that so I can see him getting in to double-figures this season.
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His work rate is prodigious. Best engine in a Villa player since George Boateng.
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His work rate is prodigious. Best engine in a Villa player since George Boateng.
and you and I will also remember Bremner and Carrodus who had similar engines
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He is already a £20m+ player, he was again brilliant today.
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Just needs to stop the yellow cards count. We can't afford to be without him.
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McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing
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McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing
Confused.com Not sure if serious etc etc....
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McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing
Four year contract not long enough for you?
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McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing
Confused.com Not sure if serious etc etc....
probably means of that ilk
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Yes I assumed XXVilla means more of his type however a team full of 10 McGinn type would not be very good.
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He means players called McGinn that are as good as John McGinn. Could be a challenge for the scouts.
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I don't give a fucketty fuck if he's good enough play at a higher level,he's just an ace footballer
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I don't give a fucketty fuck if he's good enough play at a higher level,he's just an ace footballer
I fucking love him.
I love the busy way he runs, he looks like he's got an invisible shopping bag over each arm, the way he scurries around.
He's an absolute quality player.
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One day the commentary will be
McGinn puts in a glorious cross from the left and McGinn was there at the far post to head it in.
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We all dream of a team of John McGinns, a team of John McGinns, a team of John Mcginns.
As an aside, when I phoned up to cancel my Beer52 subscription, when the bloke asked what my email address was when I got to the "AVFC" bit he pretty much shouted down the phone "Super John McGinn!", they're based in Edinburgh so the next 10 mins was spent talking about him and how he's doing. They still love him up there, well the Hibs half do.
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McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing
Confused.com Not sure if serious etc etc....
Correct. It was a joke
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As we spotted last week, though I was rightly corrected by PWS about age, there are two more McGinn brothers at St Mirren.
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The player who would slot in brilliantly in our current side? - Rob Snodgrass!
Energy, attitude and an eye for goal.
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Just needs to stop the yellow cards count. We can't afford to be without him.
Yeah that's the only criticism I have of him, he's already served a one match ban, otherwise he's been brilliant. Reminds me very much of Des Bremner.
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The lad is brilliant. If I'm grateful to Bruce for one thing, it's signing McGinn. It was absolute highway robbery to get him for the price we did, can't believe he was so cheap or that he didn't go a Premier League team to be honest. He looks a £20m player all day long.
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Just needs to stop the yellow cards count. We can't afford to be without him.
Yeah that's the only criticism I have of him, he's already served a one match ban, otherwise he's been brilliant. Reminds me very much of Des Bremner.
Agree with the comparison-although I cannot remember Des scoring a header-not one he meant anyway.
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Will win POTY by a mile at this rate.
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Just needs to stop the yellow cards count. We can't afford to be without him.
Yeah that's the only criticism I have of him, he's already served a one match ban, otherwise he's been brilliant. Reminds me very much of Des Bremner.
Agree with the comparison-although I cannot remember Des scoring a header-not one he meant anyway.
Go to 09:20
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Cheers Pete.
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The lad is brilliant. If I'm grateful to Bruce for one thing, it's signing McGinn. It was absolute highway robbery to get him for the price we did, can't believe he was so cheap or that he didn't go a Premier League team to be honest. He looks a £20m player all day long.
Given how skint most of Scottish football is you almost feel bad for Hibs. To the extent that you might hope there is tiny performance clause in the deal so that if we go up they get something for what is highway robbery.
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I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.
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I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.
Wouldn't it be great if we could take some off our recent signings back and get a full refund. Perhaps we should sign players by using the company credit card so that we can claim against the credit card company when we realise we have signed a defective player.
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I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.
Wouldn't it be great if we could take some off our recent signings back and get a full refund. Perhaps we should sign players by using the company credit card so that we can claim against the credit card company when we realise we have signed a defective player.
We'd be limited to only signing players for between £10 and £30,000. Like Small Heath.
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I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.
Wouldn't it be great if we could take some off our recent signings back and get a full refund. Perhaps we should sign players by using the company credit card so that we can claim against the credit card company when we realise we have signed a defective player.
We'd be limited to only signing players for between £10 and £30,000. Like Small Heath.
Can't we get a £30m limit or is £30k the most you can claim back ? If that's the case to take back Richard's. Etc.. and at least get something back would have helped our FFP problems no end.
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Love him to bits what a steal and what a player.
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You have summed it up brilliantly Darren.
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Hibs were well and truly mugged.
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Although he scored from another position on Saturday, I do like him playing on the left side of central midfield. As he showed on Saturday, he produces real quality from areas on the left and looks a threat on that side.
I would still love to see Grealish pushed up a bit further on the left with McGinn supporting him and a good, attacking left back bombing on outside them.
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Too good for the championship the only real improvement he can make to his game is to stop over hitting the ball
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Although he scored from another position on Saturday, I do like him playing on the left side of central midfield. As he showed on Saturday, he produces real quality from areas on the left and looks a threat on that side.
I would still love to see Grealish pushed up a bit further on the left with McGinn supporting him and a good, attacking left back bombing on outside them.
I agree that's McGinn's best position
But I think jack should play centrally so we just need them both to move around into positions
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Out of Scotland squad due to calf strain. Hope its only precautionary we really need him for this run of games.
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Just bring him home now.
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Pointless international breaks! All we need is Chester to get injured!
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Pointless international breaks! All we need is Chester to get injured!
FFS!
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Pointless international breaks! All we need is Chester to get injured!
I blame you for this!
McGinn, Chester and Bjarnason all injured. Good job we've got a nice easy game next week.
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I'm a centre back. Should I bring my boots?
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Excellent stuff.
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Smith confirms that he is leaving it as late as possible before deciding on McGinn. I reckon he will be on the bench.
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McGinn trained today alongside Chester at Bodymoor. I can see both starting.......
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McGinn, throughout the match against Boro as he did in previous away match against Derby was making effective runs forward as was as a number 8 given a role like back support striker.
Certainly against Boro he was the one who was higher up the pitch than Grealish who droppped a bit deeper.
Interesting moves as Grealish wasn't getting in box or shooting as much last few matches as he was previous.
I think eventually they will work in tandem but with Hourihane and Mcginn in middle I think smith likes Mcginn further forward runs and Grealish offers the right foot balance closer to Hourihane.
In tine the fluidity will come as will balance because I think a new dm or Whelan with mcginn could see Grealish pushed further forward.
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Far too deep yesterday to influence the game
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Far too deep yesterday to influence the game
We’ve only got two really good midfielders he’s one of them and the other didn’t play yesterday so he was always going to be up against it
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I don’t actually mind him in a deeper role as long as Bolasie and el Ghazi are carrying a threat but they didn’t yesterday.
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I don’t actually mind him in a deeper role as long as Bolasie and el Ghazi are carrying a threat but they didn’t yesterday.
He was neutrailised yestereday, ineffective and couldnt influence anything if truth be told.
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He was playing in as deep lying a position as I’ve seen him. He did OK tackling back and starting moves but at the cost of his threat further up the pitch. I wouldn’t say he was neutralised necessarily but like a lot of other players he suffered from jack not keeping 2 of their players occupied.
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He did the work of 3 men yesterday.
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He was good. He is becoming Mr Reliable.
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we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.
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we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.
Bruce - McGinn
Lambert - Benteke
both left us very nice parting gifts if not a lot else
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we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.
Maybe if we don't get promoted that might happen but I don't think it's worth worrying about too much at the moment.
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we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.
Seem to remember his quotes at the time didn't exactly make it sound like he'd scouted or chosen McGinn. "The owners want us to work with younger, hungrier players" was the gist.
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I doubt Bruce had a clue about who McGinn was until we signed him
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Blimey - ok then he best signing made whilst he was manager?
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I'm not a fan of Bruce but I think it's unfair to assume that he knew nothing of McGinn, there's no real evidence to back that up.
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I'm not a fan of Bruce but I think it's unfair to assume that he knew nothing of McGinn, there's no real evidence to back that up.
Absolutely. For all the valid criticisms re style and not achieving what he should have, it's pretty churlish to make up (or assume) more stuff to kick him with.
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He deserved kicking but credit where it’s due. A great signing
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Mcginn hasn't been at levels and actually he could do a role like Fernandino and play deeper letting others play further forward but also drive forward him self.
I think if he plays left side or deeper rather than right side of midfield
Does have tendency to give ball away but win it back lately maybe tiredness his play hasn't been above 6 but due to his energy and in comparison to others it looks like he's playing better .
However some of his football play and senseless bookings need working on to improve
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He's brilliant
He's just tired
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Player of the Season so far.
He's just knackered.
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If we don't go up and lose Jack, we have to keep McGinn.
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He's brilliant
He's just tired
Don't think he's even that knackered as he kept up with Eze in the 97th minute the other day.
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He's brilliant
He's just tired
Don't think he's even that knackered as he kept up with Eze in the 97th minute the other day.
Good point.
His knackerdness comes in spurts, from which he soon recovers. In that respect, he reminds me very much of my brother's Cocker Spaniel, Charlie. He will run up and down the Malvern Hills for an hour before retiring panting under a bush, and you think he is going to peg out. 10 minutes later he is off again.
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I would like to know what his best role and position is,it is difficult to tell with the players and system we are using.
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Having to come too deep at the moment to collect the ball. The man is a terrier
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I think his best position is as an 8 alongside grealish. He gets around the pitch. He'd be wasted sitting deep
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I think his best position is as an 8 alongside grealish. He gets around the pitch. He'd be wasted sitting deep
Grealish & McGinn roving just behind the front three - Newby at DM (whoever that may be)
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Mcginn is the key to us being able to press teams high up the pitch, for a while I thought he'd be good in the defensive role but I've changed my mind on that, let him go further up field and chase the ball.
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He’s an obvious talent but less obvious is a system to play him in, Ive said it before but he doesn’t get involved in build up play enough for me and, given his excellent energy and striking technique, he hasn’t influenced scores as much as she should have.
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He’s an obvious talent but less obvious is a system to play him in, Ive said it before but he doesn’t get involved in build up play enough for me and, given his excellent energy and striking technique, he hasn’t influenced scores as much as she should have.
Completely agree. I was hoping he'd step up a bit more after Grealish's injury, but he hasn't really. I'm hoping his relatively poor performances in the last few games are down to fatigue, rather than Smith not knowing what to do with him.
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He’s an obvious talent but less obvious is a system to play him in, Ive said it before but he doesn’t get involved in build up play enough for me and, given his excellent energy and striking technique, he hasn’t influenced scores as much as she should have.
Completely agree. I was hoping he'd step up a bit more after Grealish's injury, but he hasn't really. I'm hoping his relatively poor performances in the last few games are down to fatigue, rather than Smith not knowing what to do with him.
he's an enabler he creates the space and ball for the likes of Grealish to perform well
hes our own little modern version of Des Bremner, but Des had Mortimer, Cowans, Morley to get going,
at the moment Mcginn working with Hourahane, Whelan, Barny,
its not quite the same, he needs some quality around him and he will flourish
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I'm not going to knock the guy too much, he's been great since he's been here. So, he may not overly effective in some games but you can't really expect him to be bossing the midfield every week. The effort he puts in never drops.
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He's box to box. Reminds me of Townsend and Boateng in excellent villa teams in previous decades. Maybe even a touch of Milner but needs to add more goals to his game.
I'd just play him in Hourihane's position tbh but we need to get in a new DM (and also get Jack back) for that to happen.
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SJM has been a steal and thank God it was us that acquired his services.The amount of effort he puts during a match in is phenomenal. Like others in this parish I would never criticise him, what I would suggest is he could do with another player along side him with the same work ethic
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Tremendous again today. An example for our academy players to aspire to in terms of attitude and workrate.
Puts some of our senior players to shame.
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Its something small but he is a guaranteed possession retainer from a throw in.
Just doesnt lose the ball and uses his arse to shield the ball expertly.
Over the past 10 years, he is part of a very small minority of our players that you could say that about.
Sad to say, but he needs to leave us asap as does Grealish.
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Its something small but he is a guaranteed possession retainer from a throw in.
Just doesnt lose the ball and uses his arse to shield the ball expertly.
Over the past 10 years, he is part of a very small minority of our players that you could say that about.
Sad to say, but he needs to leave us asap as does Grealish.
Don't say it. Much can change in football over a short period. I only remember Wolves being uber shite . Now they are bang average.
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Think he's far too deep.
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All our best midfielders use their arse to great effect; Stan and Barry were the same.
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Love everything he does but I wish he had not scored the worldly against Sheff Wed as in the context of the game it was a waste and now he keeps wasting good options by trying to repeat that.
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A one man midfield doing the work of three. Expect burn out or an injury because of it very soon
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A great little player. We're lucky to have him 👍
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One. Man. Team.
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Where on earth would we be without him and Abraham?
We’re a two man team.
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Enjoy him while you can people. He’s way too good for this barrel of shite.
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A one man midfield doing the work of three. Expect burn out or an injury because of it very soon
Good point.
We have give to give him more support and protection, otherwise it is likely to end badly. A decent DCM would help greatly as would wide players who are not on auto-pilot.
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Is it our natural position to just become overly pessimistic as soon as we come across a good thing? He's going to burn out, get injured and be sold?
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I worried like mad when he went down injured near the end.
Lose him from the midfield and we're done for.
I know Tammy has bagged all the goals, but he's my Player Of The Year, easily.
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He's still only 1 yellow from a 2 game ban. I worry every time the ref 'has a word' with him.
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When does that expire?
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March.
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Yeah - mid-March, after 37 games, so after the Forest game. Walking a bit of a tightrope to be available for the Bloose game
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Ffs. That's forever.
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McGinn in confident mood after beating Ipswich.
Said this
"I think we played a lot better. It was clear to see. We moved the ball a lot quicker. We had a lot of chances – myself included. That’s something I will be working on but, overall, the three points were absolutely vital.
“We need to use the win as a springboard. We have a tough run of games coming up. Everyone knows that.
"But that’s where, previously, we showed our best performances this season.
"If we can get a win against Reading next weekend and carry that on, then who knows what could happen.”
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Since Rodgers wanted McGinn at Celtic, there might be some truth in this one
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leciester-city-mcginn-celtic-villa-15915360
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Since Rodgers wanted McGinn at Celtic, there might be some truth in this one
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leciester-city-mcginn-celtic-villa-15915360
Let's hope not.
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The fact that the Mail can't spell Leicester in the url doesn't help the story's credibility :)
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I can see why we may need to sell Jack and of course may not have an option given the release clause. However, unless we are desperate for the cash I see absolutely no reason why we shouldn't insist McGinn stays for another year. I hope we just make that absolutely clear from day 1 of the transfer window.
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Since Rodgers wanted McGinn at Celtic, there might be some truth in this one
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leciester-city-mcginn-celtic-villa-15915360
What a load of rehashed old shite, we shouldn't be falling for clickbait like that any more! Nothing of any substance in it at all and no quotes about JM from beyond when he signed for us.
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Depends if they offer silly money, and they may - they spent 25m on a Norwich player last summer. Given the money situation with FFP, could be a case of him or Grealish given we're losing so many players this summer anyway and will need to spend at least some money just to field a team.
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The bar should start at, at least 25mill if that's the case. A very tidy profit and a sell on clause for when SJM moves to somewhere bigger and better. That said, I'd rather keep him and build the side around him with a tighter midfield five containing him and Grealish.
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I don't know why anybody is surprised, angry or frustrated to see stories coming out about interest in Mcginn
he's a good player, one our best, young lots of potential and currently playing in the championship
I would be more surprised if there wasn't any transfer links
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I think it's more our local paper touting him for us with no credible link other than Rodgers was previously interested. We can do without 'our' paper trying to unsettle our players for a few clicks. ******.
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Also, whilst it's perfectly plausible for Rodgers to be interested, the last time he was interested was in the the SPL (I know it's not called that now but I hate the P word) and McGinn was going for £2m. He may well have bigger crisps to fry nowadays.
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He can feck off.
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Well would you look at that? The Mail doing a story based on fuck all about one of our best players leaving in the week of the Derby.
An absolute gash paper, the Wolverhampton Express and Star is light years ahead of the Mail when it comes to Villa reporting.
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I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
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I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Why is it 'very possible'?
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The bar for his price should be set at “not for sale”. Just as it was with Jack last summer when it appeared all was lost and we were going to sell every player, the club name and the ground.
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I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Neil Moxley. That name rings a bell.
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I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Why is it 'very possible'?
Managers speak to journalists all the time about transfer targets so don't see why he wouldn't tip one off who he got on well with in Glasgow so the player notices and sees said manager still rates him....
All part of the act.
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I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Why is it 'very possible'?
Managers speak to journalists all the time about transfer targets so don't see why he wouldn't tip one off who he got on well with in Glasgow so the player notices and sees said manager still rates him....
All part of the act.
Neil is from Brum, and lives in Warwickshire.
https://muckrack.com/neil-moxley
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I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Why is it 'very possible'?
Managers speak to journalists all the time about transfer targets so don't see why he wouldn't tip one off who he got on well with in Glasgow so the player notices and sees said manager still rates him....
All part of the act.
But he doesn't need to tip a journalist off. It's common knowledge to everyone and the player Celtic wanted him so it's just as likely the journalist has put two and two together. Besides, Mcginn would find out of interest through his agent rather than the press.
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I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Neil Moxley. That name rings a bell.
Moxley is chief sports writer at the Sunday People, but covers us mostly. Story must be syndicated to the Scottish paper so not likely attributable to Rogers while he was there.
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Moxley is a Nose.
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Moxley is a Nose.
Who has been writing about the Villa for over twenty years and has a bit more professionalism about him than to let the team he supports get in the way of the job he does.
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SJM. ❤️
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He was great but the way the game went first half I think having Whelan on helped us. He did well until those 3 shit passes. Then once their "pashun" had gone we brought on SJM and it was game over.
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Should've started.
That said at least he'll be very fresh for Wednesday now.
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Excellent player. He's one that will do well in the top flight too. Rarely wastes the ball, full of energy, always aware of what's going on. Quality. An absolute bargain.
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Game changed when SJM came on.
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I thought he ran the show and perhaps was the reason Jack suddenly found a bit of space when SJM came on. If we can find that tough nut to play behind him and Jack, we will be great next season.
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I thought the way in which he strode right into that game, from the moment he took the field, was hugely impressive. He surely does remind me of Alex Cropley.
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Game changed when SJM came on.
Yep. And, I’d go as far to say that his 2 week ban has helped us for the run in.
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we've been saying all season that Smith has no other choice but to keep playing Whelan and Hourihane whether they have been good or bad
well he did have a choice yesterday and he preferred Whelan and Hourihane over Mcginn,
think about that
we won the the game so it papered over the cracks of a terrible decision
there was no technical genius substitutions going on just a putting on the second best midfielder we have at the club with the obvious conclusions
we played over an hour with a shit midfield bested by Blues until he made the change we should have started with
I bet there's not many who want him to put McGinn on the bench for Forest
if this is the new dawn under Smith he's not going to get away with making stupid decisions like that when he has a big call to make
great win in the end because he did what was blatantly obvious but I've lost a lot of confidence in Smith making the right judgement call in the future, honestly thought he was better than that
can you imagine what McGinn must have felt like after being probably the most consistent player we have had this season
I can't count how many match threads have said 'midfield shit again apart from McGinn' and there he is playing second fiddle to an ageing Whelan passing the ball to the crowd for an hour in a massive game for us as well as a local derby
unbeleivably bad judgment call from Smith imo
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I'm not going to knock his decision to start Whelan. It sends a good message; you play well, you keep the shirt.
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I have to disagree John, a manager has to demonstrate that if you put in a good performance then you get picked for the next game. Having the benefit of a class act as McGinn to come on as a substitute, if the performance wasn't up to the previous standard, is what good man management is all about.
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Yep. I agree with LFS and Neil.
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The way the game went it was the right decision. McGinn can be a bit erratic challenges wise which is why he was suspended. Him in the first half woudnt have helped imo. As soon as the 'pashun' was over he came on and we won the game and even then he still managed to be booked again despite only playing half an hour in a calmer game.
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Agree 100% with John it was a very poor decision to leave McGinn out. I take it nobody wants him to start on the bench on Wednesday.
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It was the right decision and we won!
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I thought McGinn should have started, but I could understand why he didn't. And how great was it to have some really good players on the bench for a change? For months we've had no one who could change a plodding performance. Yesterday the double substitution had an instant impact and won us the game. The decision to have McGinn as sub was fully vindicated.
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the only thing that was fully vindicated to me is that we are a much better side with McGinn in it than with him sitting on the sidelines for over an hour
that's not being tactically aware that's scoring an own goal before you start
vindicated or not i a can guarantee he won't make the same mistake on Wednesday because he should know by now that is what it was
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Thought it was the right decision. Keep a "winning" team, which shows confidence in the players. Having McGinn on the bench was a fantastic option as he's has so much energy they would be able to stay with him, as it proved. We've got 3 important matches in a week which may have been on the managers mind as well. UTV
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I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
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I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
Quite agree. Think Smith got it bang on the money.
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I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
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I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.
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I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.
it wasn’t the best team though was it as was quite clearly proved yesterday when we bought a lot better player on in the second half and immediately started to play err...a lot better
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I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.
it wasn’t the best team though was it as was quite clearly proved yesterday when we bought a lot better player on in the second half and immediately started to play err...a lot better
It wasn't proved at all. The match evolved, as these matches often do, and our manager changed the team as circumstances altered.
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Who managed to get booked AGAIN, and their central midfield substitute nearly scored twice.
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I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.
it wasn’t the best team though was it as was quite clearly proved yesterday when we bought a lot better player on in the second half and immediately started to play err...a lot better
He was only on for 20 odd minutes and got himself booked, the way things were going in the first half I think Whelan was the better option. McGinn was then able to come on and make an immediate impact.
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I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
I didnt say we should did I. Nice try though. Smith got it right even if you disagree with it.
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well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it
my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn
nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles
and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players
imo obviously
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Who managed to get booked AGAIN, and their central midfield substitute nearly scored twice.
McGinn got booked? Must have missed that.
Up to those daft passes, I thought Whelan was having another solid game. Hourihane was the one who had let the game pass him by up to that point. His goal threat was the sole reason he wasn't hooked, almost paid dividends too.
McGinn was superb on the ball when he came in but without it he doesn't have much presence either. Gets caught wrong side far too often and needs to take a share of blame for our sieve like midfield all season. I thought we missed Whelan' s presence in front of back four for last 10 mins.
No idea what BB's remit was when he came in but surely he should have been sitting a bit deeper. In hindsight, Jedinak would have been the better shout.
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I would have started McGinn but understand why he didn’t. Whelan did ok until that spell where he just kept misplacing passes. But up until that point he didn’t do a lot wrong and they never had chances. And with McGinn in the side Gardner got away twice and really should have scored with one of them. So for me it worked out just fine. He came on and when they were tiring provided the energy to help us over the line.
But on the note about his disciplinary issues, he has to cut that out. We all love what he brings but he has to find a way to balance his assets with his over exuberance which gets him into trouble.
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Who managed to get booked AGAIN, and their central midfield substitute nearly scored twice.
McGinn got booked? Must have missed that.
Up to those daft passes, I thought Whelan was having another solid game. Hourihane was the one who had let the game pass him by up to that point. His goal threat was the sole reason he wasn't hooked, almost paid dividends too.
McGinn was superb on the ball when he came in but without it he doesn't have much presence either. Gets caught wrong side far too often and needs to take a share of blame for our sieve like midfield all season. I thought we missed Whelan' s presence in front of back four for last 10 mins.
No idea what BB's remit was when he came in but surely he should have been sitting a bit deeper. In hindsight, Jedinak would have been the better shout.
He got booked for bumping into the full back that had just nearly cut Tammy in half and got away with it.
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SJM shouldn't have been booked and Gargoyles 2 chances were from corners or long throws I believe so SJM, or even Whelan when he was on, may not have been responsible for picking him up (I haven't checked how he got so much space for the header but pretty sure the one he lashed over the bar fell to him near Mings or Hause).
Under normal circumstances SJM should have started but Whelan provided a calming level head when it was all kicking off, however he showed how inept he can be with several missed placed passes which could have easily been punished by a better team. It's a nice luxury to be able to bring better players off the bench, but we can't afford to have one of our best players on the bench or played out of position so SJM has to be restored to the lineup at the expense of Whelan, Hourihane, El Ghazi or Adomah.
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well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it
my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn
nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles
and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players
imo obviously
We kept the team that won convincingly.
McGinn did a good job when he came on, due to the circumstances at the time. No one knows whether he'd have been better off starting, but a win away from home suggests the manager got it right.
It wasn't a big game for us.
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The midfield that dismantled Derby all deserved a start and equally they deserved to be shuffled when they were losing the battle to the scum. I think Smith got both decisions right.
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well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it
my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn
nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles
and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players
imo obviously
We kept the team that won convincingly.
McGinn did a good job when he came on, due to the circumstances at the time. No one knows whether he'd have been better off starting, but a win away from home suggests the manager got it right.
It wasn't a big game for us.
do you think we should keep the winning team on Wednesday night to keep the roll going
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Like you John I love McGinn, he's my favourite player in a villa shirt for as long as I can remember. But I accept that the performance against derby was conspicuously our best for months, and it is possible that a team without one of its best players can be better for being more balanced. I expect McGinn to start tomorrow but I can see why he didn't on Sunday.
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i think it probably boils down to how you rate the players involved and everyone sees things differently and sometimes i struggle with that and i should no better at my age
i do think McGinn is a very special player, i really do whereas i don't think Whelan is
so there's is no comparison in my view,
i personally would never pick Whelan or any other midfield player for that matter over McGinn apart from Jack because i think he's that good, even when he has a bad game he's better than the rest
but obviously if you don't quite have such a high opinion of Mcginn (admitedly mine is maybe too high) and you think Whelan is more useful than i do then the choice becomes closer, whereas to me its not even close
so i look at it and think there's no choice to be made but others including the manager thinks there is
i must accept that people think differently to me on our players,
i was exactly the same on the Grealish thread a few years ago when he was considered to be lightwieght and not offering much,
i went all over the top defending him because i thought he was fantastic, when in reality he was probably not anywhere near the player he is now
i can be a bit one eyed on stuff so please forgive me for being a bit hot headed on this thread and others
i have to realise not every on sees the game and looks at the players in the same way as i do,
and i can go off on one like a big twat
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No worries, John! Take it easy, mate!
I love McGinn as well - don't we all? He's a fantastic player.
I just thought that, after the Derby game, keeping the same starting line-up was the right thing to do. Everything had worked so seamlessly in that match and Whelan had had a really good game in front of the back-four, so sticking with that team, with the chance to bring McGinn on off the bench on the hour, was, for me, the right way to go.
I think it also sent out a positive message, in that Smith can honestly now look them in the eye and say to them, 'if you perform, you will be given a chance', something he wouldn't have been able to do had he dropped Whelan or Hourihane on the back of the previous performance.
Be interesting to see what he does tomorrow night. I'm sure he will start McGinn, but will he push Whelan or Hourihane to the bench? Think he might stick with Whelan in front of the back four. We'll see. I guess it depends on Whelan's condition as well.
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It's about horses for courses. In a normal situation I'd have McGinn and Grealish in every week and pick the third member of our midfield depending on the opposition. But Sunday wasn't normal for a couple of reasons, first the way the team had played in the previous match and second, McGinn's a great player but he's also a booking waiting to happen and that lot would have wound him up into it. Wednesday night will be a different matter, it's our second game in five days so I'd drop Whelan and leave Hourihane or maybe depending on how Forest are lining up under you know who, bring in Jedinak.
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well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it
my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn
nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles
and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players
imo obviously
We kept the team that won convincingly.
McGinn did a good job when he came on, due to the circumstances at the time. No one knows whether he'd have been better off starting, but a win away from home suggests the manager got it right.
It wasn't a big game for us.
do you think we should keep the winning team on Wednesday night to keep the roll going
That depends, do you mean the team that was on the pitch when we scored or the team that started the game?
Also a 1-nil in a game like that doesn't really carry much by way of momentum, a spanking handed out to a team about is where the 3 in midfield all made massive contributions makes it much more difficult to make chances.
Personally I think Whelan struggles to play every weekend let alone midweek as well so he'd be out for me despite being very good against derby and good in the first half on Sunday. McGinn is the obvious replacement but I'd be a bit nervous about the balance of the midfield, I think we're just too open with CH, SJM and JG.
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Let's not forget that we also have a few options off the bench now with Green, Carroll (if he's fit), BB (working his way back to fitness) and Jedinak...albeit the latter two can both be liabilities at times.
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Has to start v forest
I'd play whelan. Hourihane really struggled against first as DM earlier in the season. Carvalho and Lolley just ran through him
Boro don't have those sort of midfielders so id play hourihane for whelan in that one. He did very well at the Riverside
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I think we're just too open with CH, SJM and JG.
I agree, was not the midfield 3 that Forest danced through at will at VP?
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I think we're just too open with CH, SJM and JG.
I agree, was not the midfield 3 that Forest danced through at will at VP?
It was indeed.
I've also just noticed that we're in a run of 4 games where we're playing teams in the same sequence we played them earlier in the season. Derby, then Blose, these, Boro. A very entertaining ten points then, let's make it twelve this time.
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i think it probably boils down to how you rate the players involved and everyone sees things differently and sometimes i struggle with that and i should no better at my age
i do think McGinn is a very special player, i really do whereas i don't think Whelan is
so there's is no comparison in my view,
i personally would never pick Whelan or any other midfield player for that matter over McGinn apart from Jack because i think he's that good, even when he has a bad game he's better than the rest
but obviously if you don't quite have such a high opinion of Mcginn (admitedly mine is maybe too high) and you think Whelan is more useful than i do then the choice becomes closer, whereas to me its not even close
so i look at it and think there's no choice to be made but others including the manager thinks there is
i must accept that people think differently to me on our players,
i was exactly the same on the Grealish thread a few years ago when he was considered to be lightwieght and not offering much,
i went all over the top defending him because i thought he was fantastic, when in reality he was probably not anywhere near the player he is now
i can be a bit one eyed on stuff so please forgive me for being a bit hot headed on this thread and others
i have to realise not every on sees the game and looks at the players in the same way as i do,
and i can go off on one like a big twat
We're all the same John.
I think McGinn is fantastic, and has been brilliant since he came. How would you tell the others, after a 3-0 win that they are dropped? In my mind, Whelan retains the ball well, is better than he looks at times and is doing a decent job right now. He isn't explosive, particularly creative or exciting, but he's a decent, solid player that does the job asked of him. Against that lot on Sunday he was a good choice, breaking up play, keeping possession and quietening things down whereas McGinn would have had them baying for more blood.
However, he did what the manager asked when he came on and made a difference when the game was there to be stretched a bit. It worked.
Both teams (i.e. pre and post substitutions) did well on Sunday and depending on the way Smith wants to set up we'll find out tonight. Personally, I'd like Whelan and McGinn in there and Hourihane to have a break.
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Love him
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Me too, so much energy and tenacity.
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I thought he should have buried that chance that hit the post near the end but otherwise he was immense again.
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Great number 7. I bet Ian Taylor loves him too and he's still my favourite player.
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said on many occasions he is a very special player
the one thing I can give Bruce a bit of credit for
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I thought he should have buried that chance that hit the post near the end but otherwise he was immense again.
Pretty tight angle for him
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I said before: he must be horrible to play against. I love him, so much an integral part of our midfield.
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I said before: he must be horrible to play against. I love him, so much an integral part of our midfield.
Totally agree Dave. One of those players that never lets you have a second's peace. His persistence last night in robbing their defender before scoring was the same as he did against Sheff U in setting up one of the goals. Him and Grealish are a great pairing, because the combination of Jack's out and out skill and ability to beat a man, and McGinn's sheer unrelenting energy and all round quality mean that defenders and midfielders are getting pulled all over the place.
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Des Bremner ver2.0. Seems to have come back from suspension with even more energy about him, brilliant.
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Well I'm sure he felt he had a point to prove after not getting straight back in the starting line up on Sunday. He proved it alright. Tremendous player.
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Reminds me a bit of Milner.
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50m minimum Brendan.
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Such an important player for us. The difference he makes to us. He gives us cohesian and purpose. Hope we can get another season out of him...
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Such an important player for us. The difference he makes to us. He gives us cohesion and purpose. Hope we can get another season out of him...
Absolutely no reason why not (FFP excepting) I think it's a very different situation to Jack, he only joined a year ago and I don't see any reason at all why we would feel obliged to let him move on.
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Celtic fans rubbishing John McGinn's performance today. Saying he's overrated and glad they didn't sign him!
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There's a really big surprise
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Celtic fans rubbishing John McGinn's performance today. Saying he's overrated and glad they didn't sign him!
Everybodys happy then.
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He plays for Scotland who are even more pish than us.
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I'm sure there's no jealousy there at all.
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The win-win was that he got to play for his country and he didn’t get injured. As for the opinions of Celtic fans, a greater fuck I could not give.
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Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again
So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?
I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.
It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!
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Simples just send him out with Hutton on his shirt. They sound similar, Ref books him He turns round shows the number and hutton gets booked
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Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your deep, remarkable insight. I'm sure we're all soooooo very grateful for you bringing things to our attention that we hadn't considered.
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That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.
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https://twitter.com/Wrighti1/status/1112069369243287552
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Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your deep, remarkable insight. I'm sure we're all soooooo very grateful for you bringing things to our attention that we hadn't considered.
Chortle.
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Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again
So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?
I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.
It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!
FS do you actually go to any matches, as a lot of your views are based on hearsay
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Quote of the day from someone sat behind me:
"Fuck me...McGinn never stops...he's like the Duracell bunny!"
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That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.
In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.
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That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.
In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.
Didn’t it go out for a throw in?
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That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.
In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.
Didn’t it go out for a throw in?
No defiantly a corner.
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That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.
In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.
Didn’t it go out for a throw in?
No defiantly a corner.
Okay thanks for clarifying.
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In isolation, winning a corner's hardly something to recall even past leaving the ground. That yesterday, that, that one act was the stuff of legend.
"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."
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He's the embodiment of the culture Saunders bought to the club, steel, determination, selflessness and quality, something we've seen too little of in my time watching us.
I absolutely love him.
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In isolation, winning a corner's hardly something to recall even past leaving the ground. That yesterday, that, that one act was the stuff of legend.
"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."
Couldn’t agree more. That one moment sums up why he is fast becoming a rival for my favourite Villa player of all time ( alongside the legendary Ian Taylor)not because of his talent, although, boy does he have some, but the sheer desire that he has to win for Aston Villa. On pure footballing intelligence and will to win, as a manager you’d want a team of 11 John McGinns .
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He's the embodiment of the culture Saunders bought to the club, steel, determination, selflessness and quality, something we've seen too little of in my time watching us.
I absolutely love him.
This. Far more eloquently put than I can manage.
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"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."
Ha, ha.
‘He started his dribble from the bar in the Witton Arms son’
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The dribble was one thing, his taking one for the team booking equally as good.
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MOTM yesterday and there were plenty of good performers.
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He is absolutely tremendous. That run at the end to win the corner just summed him up.
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Can someone clear up bookings/suspension status please? Someone said in a post that he has 12 now and gets 3 matches rest when he gets to 15 however he has recently been out due to accumulated bookings and I thought it all starts again from 0 after a suspension?
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I think Des Bremner and Ian Taylor had a baby.
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Regarding SJM's lung busting run at the end, I was not the only one who stood up and applauded ( in the Directors Box no less, get me) in recognition of the fact that despite him probably being dead on his feet he knew that more time was taken up if he ran, rather than hoofing it. Its that type of determined single mindedness that will see us into the play offs I'm sure. Word up as well for Whelan, absolute quality.
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There were 2 or 3 times in the 1st half yesterday, where he had the ball in really tight areas and just seemed to power his way through and away from the opposition players. He seems to do this on a match by match basis.
Best allround midfielder in the league for me.
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Can someone clear up bookings/suspension status please? Someone said in a post that he has 12 now and gets 3 matches rest when he gets to 15 however he has recently been out due to accumulated bookings and I thought it all starts again from 0 after a suspension?
I'm pretty sure he's at twelve. He had a two game suspension as he accumulated 10 and has been booked at Birmingham and yesterday. I'm interested to know whether the bookings carry on into the playoffs. For example, if he gets his fifteenth booking in the first leg, should we get there, is that him out of the next two games?
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Looking at this the 15 yellows cards cut off date is at the end of the league season and play offs don't count.
http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jul/31/red-yellow-cards-technical-area-2018-19
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Reading that, I'm still a bit unsure. I've taken it as further cards aren't accumulated during the play-offs. But if he were to bag a fifteenth yellow against Norwich, he'd be suspended for them.
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Reading that, I'm still a bit unsure. I've taken it as further cards aren't accumulated during the play-offs. But if he were to bag a fifteenth yellow against Norwich, he'd be suspended for them.
Yep, if he gets to 14 I'd be tempted to 'rest' him for any games we have left if the playoffs are on.
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Yellow card bans for EFL league games:
5 yellows in the first 19 matches = 1 match suspension
10 yellows in the first 37 matches = 2 match suspension
15 yellows in the whole season = 3 match suspension
I can only presume this means for the 46 league games and does not roll over into the playoffs. There's also a question whether or not an EFL league ban would be enforced in the playoffs as its not really the same competition (as per league bans not being applicable in cup games and vice versa).
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League bans are applicable in cup games, and vice versa.
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There was a rule change at the start of this season which means yellow cards and bans are competition format specific (ie yellow cards picked up in league and cup games are counted and applied to only the competition they were awarded in so you can't be banned in a cup game from a ban received due to yellow cards in league games).
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In isolation, winning a corner's hardly something to recall even past leaving the ground. That yesterday, that, that one act was the stuff of legend.
"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."
Couldn’t agree more. That one moment sums up why he is fast becoming a rival for my favourite Villa player of all time ( alongside the legendary Ian Taylor)not because of his talent, although, boy does he have some, but the sheer desire that he has to win for Aston Villa. On pure footballing intelligence and will to win, as a manager you’d want a team of 11 John McGinns .
He's the embodiment of the culture Saunders bought to the club, steel, determination, selflessness and quality, something we've seen too little of in my time watching us.
I absolutely love him.
This. The combination of his tenacity, energy, and a good dose of skill, he really does deserve the Bremner/Taylor #7 shirt of the workhorse. Not only all that, but I’ve just watched every wee SJM video (re-watched some) on the villa YouTube channel. He’s very much like Snodgrass last year, an infectious fun presence, just a really really loveable down to earth personality. I really hope we and he do well enough to keep him for a very long time.
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There was a rule change at the start of this season which means yellow cards and bans are competition format specific (ie yellow cards picked up in league and cup games are counted and applied to only the competition they were awarded in so you can't be banned in a cup game from a ban received due to yellow cards in league games).
I stand corrected. Sorry for doubting you. 🙂
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That was supposed to be a smiley face at the end. The new mobile site obviously doesn't like them.
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No worries CD. I didn't know about the rule change until I Googled it on Saturday night either! :)
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I just found myself idly think about John McGinn (I recommend it if you have a spare few minutes) and I think he's been directly involved in 6 of our last 8 goals. All since being recalled to the starting lineup. That's remarkable, really. Having Jack back must be helping no end, but he seems to have added a bit of extra quality to his boundless energy, and that little break has done him the world of good.
As a fan, he's everything you want from a player. He's just brilliant. Never before have I replayed winning a corner in my mind over and over again!
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That run for the corner was a thing of beauty. As was the fist pump to the Holte immediately after.
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That run for the corner was a thing of beauty. As was the fist pump to the Holte immediately after.
Wonderful, wasn't it? Was getting worried they'd equalise!
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I had spent ten minutes screaming at them at that point to keep hold of the fucking ball and slow the game down. Then that happened. SJM knows the craic!
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Quiz 2029
Q What memorable event happened at Villa Park on 30 March 2019?
A John McGinn won a corner
and everyone who was there remembered it.
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Quiz 2029
Q What memorable event happened at Villa Park on 30 March 2019?
A John McGinn won a corner
and everyone who was there remembered it.
If Carlsberg did "Likes"....
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After some of the absolute shithouses we've had 'playing' for us this last decade or so McGinn has restored some of my faith in professional footballers.He is ace, I fucking love the bloke
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Had a very brief trip to Edinburgh recently, the taxi driver was a big Hibs fan and could not stop talking about McGinn. He said a bus load of them were making a trip to Villa Park before the end of the season.
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that run was all we spoke about for 15mins in the car on the way home, I have never seen anything like it.
I love the way our John plays football....
UTV
The Doc
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He’s like a throwback to a bygone era, I’ve tried to think of a similar player but I’m struggling. Absolutely love him though. My 6-year old son was always talking about Grealish until a few months ago, now he’s got several players to look up to - McGinn being one of them.
I don’t think we will lose him in the summer whatever league we end up in, if we’re still down in the Championship we will probably need to sell Jack in which case we shouldn’t need to sell John too, surely?
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Got 19 seconds you need to fill? Why not watch how John McGinn wins a corner (https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1112833264618819587?s=09)
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I don't think that I've ever seen or participated in a standing ovation before for a bloke winning a corner
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Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment. Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that. Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.
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Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment. Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that. Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.
I love the bloke and all that but steady on - playing well and busting a gut in the Championship vs being a key member of the league and European Cup winning sides!!
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Sorry but I disagree. What SJM did in the final minute of that game showed intelligence and technical nous. It is possible to be both intelligent and tactically aware no matter what level you play at. I accept that the higher you go the more proficient the opposition become but my point still stands.
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You see, I've spent 50 plus years as a confirmed heterosexual, a choice which I do not believe to be superior to the alternative, merely the one that I have made. Then, Jack Grealish does his thing at St Andrews and I start to doubt myself, now I'm feeling guilty to Jack because I can't help watching John sashay by... And now it's got me remembering just how deeply I still care for Ian Taylor after all these years.
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You see, I've spent 50 plus years as a confirmed heterosexual, a choice which I do not believe to be superior to the alternative, merely the one that I have made.
My Guardian reader cred means I have to point out, it's not a choice being a hetero or homosexual.
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James Milner used to make those runs for us. From defending on the edge of our box to dawdling over a corner at the other end in the 94th minute.
JM2?
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You see, I've spent 50 plus years as a confirmed heterosexual, a choice which I do not believe to be superior to the alternative, merely the one that I have made.
My Guardian reader cred means I have to point out, it's not a choice being a hetero or homosexual.
Thank you. I tried to be inclusive and failed. My nephew is gay, which bothers my family not a jot, but we cannot accept him being a Tory.
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Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment. Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that. Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.
Seconded, do you think we will hang onto him for next season or given the clubs philosophy changes of increasing value of assets to sell for profit, we’ll sell ?
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He's going nowhere or I'm burning down the stadium.
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Thou I dont know as many Villa players as our older posters on here , to me he has got to be in my top 5 best value for money player in my time . I look at the likes of Platt , God Mcgrath and Dwight Yorke for me as value for money , not including any of our own youth players. But SJM has to be in my top 5 already .
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Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment. Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that. Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.
Seconded, do you think we will hang onto him for next season or given the clubs philosophy changes of increasing value of assets to sell for profit, we’ll sell ?
I think CD has answered that one Daz. SJM has a substantial contract and my gut feeling is that he'll be here for at least another year regardless.
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I really hope we can keep him he's some player.
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How many yellows is he on now?
15 and that's a 3 match ban which is a worry as he got to 10 yellows about two months ago. I imagine it will continue in play offs if we make it.
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How many yellows is he on now?
15 and that's a 3 match ban which is a worry as he got to 10 yellows about two months ago. I imagine it will continue in play offs if we make it.
He's on 12 according to Whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/318449/Fixtures/John-McGinn)
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How many yellows is he on now?
15 and that's a 3 match ban which is a worry as he got to 10 yellows about two months ago. I imagine it will continue in play offs if we make it.
Play-off games won't count towards the count (although presumably would towards any ban). The 15 cards limit is until the end of the season.
FA website clicky (http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jul/31/red-yellow-cards-technical-area-2018-19).
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So he can't get booked more than twice in the last 6 league games. If he does pick up 2 yellows in the next 4 I think he'd have to be rested for the last 2 games !
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Thou I dont know as many Villa players as our older posters on here , to me he has got to be in my top 5 best value for money player in my time . I look at the likes of Platt , God Mcgrath and Dwight Yorke for me as value for money , not including any of our own youth players. But SJM has to be in my top 5 already .
Those names mentioned produced quality performances when we were up towards the top end of the top flight, so I wouldn't get too carried away just yet!! One thing I have noticed about McGinn this season though is how good he is at getting his backside into players and rolling them. He does it really well and gets out of tight areas.
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Ah good to know play offs don't count.
Would certainly rest him if he's on 14 yellows going into last game!
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Are you 100% sure playoffs don't count? I hope they don't and was looking into this a few weeks ago but couldn't find anything stated specifically...it just sounds like it might do because of reference to "end of season" and yellow cards being competition format specific.
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He can't accumulate further bookings during the three play-off games, it's explicit about that. Where we all seem to be finding it a bit opaque is whether or not the play-offs constitute a separate competition. I'm going with, they don't. I think if he picks up a fifteenth against Norwich, he's illegible for the play-offs.
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Yes from reading what is produced on FA website, he's on 14 yellows and gets booked v Norwich he'd miss play off campaign. 14 and booked v Leeds and he'd miss final game and the two legs in semi final but would be available for possible final.
14 and once in the play offs and he gets booked he'd be available for the next game.
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Ok for clarity, if SJM receives 3 more bookings before the end of the Norwich game then he will be banned for 3 games and miss the playoffs.
It's poorly worded but the following part of the FA link states that cumulative bookings do not apply in play off games:
Number of cautions Cut-off date [inclusive]
Five [Premier League] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [EFL] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [National League] Following 23 league fixtures
10 [Premier League Following 32 league fixtures
10 [EFL] Following 37 league fixtures
10 [National League] Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues] *End of the season**
The remaining competitions will carry suspensions in those competitions only when a player has received two yellow cards in that competition.
N.B. Discipline in the EFL Trophy is competition specific and remains unchanged from last season.
* The FA Women’s Super League does not have cut-off dates. Automatic suspensions for players accumulating 5, 10, 15 cautions etc. will take effect at any stage during the season.
** This does not apply to play-off matches.
We'll need him in all 3 playoff games, so if he gets to 14 yellow cards then he needs to be rested.
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My opinion is that he needs to be rested for the lesser games (as in tonight).
Just can't risk him
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My opinion is that he needs to be rested for the lesser games (as in tonight).
Just can't risk him
Bigger risk not getting the points.
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I favour trying to get a lead tonight then resting him. Perhaps give Angela some time to try and attract a buyer?
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I think his yellow card situation is more pressing than his health.
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My opinion is that he needs to be rested for the lesser games (as in tonight).
Just can't risk him
Bigger risk not getting the points.
We'll get the points, don't worry :-[
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Rest Whelan or Jack if anyone tonight IMHO. Not McGinn, he's not the one that's out of sorts over the last few games
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You could name a case to rest Whelan, certainly for one of the Easter double-header. Resting McGinn though in the prime and the form of his career would he mental.
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I would put him on the bench. bring him on if needed.
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Magnificent performance tonight. Again.
Can you imagine him as a kid? "Time for bed now John. You must be tired." As little Johnny smiles before running around for another 92 continuous hours.
Never ever stops working. Superb.
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Man of the Match for a change...outstanding tonight. Good job he wasn't rested...
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What a player.
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I feel somewhat guilty at having to split my man love between John and Jack.
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He was completely knackered towards the end and yet kept going. I love him.
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What a bloody player.
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We didn’t have ten men tonight as we still have SJM who is worth two players. What a second half he had.
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What a fucking player this guy is. He's Gareth Barry with a Milner engine.
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Man of the Match for a change...outstanding tonight. Good job he wasn't rested...
This
Superb performance.
Player of the season even when Tammy scores a hat trick in the play off final to beat Leeds😀
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Some player isn’t he. We missed Whelan today
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I'm going to walk his dog and mow his lawn. He shouldn't move a muscle his week.
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If Super Jack is worth what, 35 to 50 mill? What must SJM be worth? What an amazing player.
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Some player isn’t he. We missed Whelan today
Hourihane dead balls were awful. Overall though he did ok
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McGinn wqas excellent again tonight, and has been brilliant in the run of victories but a big part of it is the partnership with Grealish, the latter just makes gaps and McGinn has the drive, stamina and awareness to use them. Both very good players individually but together they're far too good for this league, get the balance of the midfield around them right and they're easily good enough to take us into the top half of the premier league.
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Player of the Season. (Unless you're 12 years old).
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I feel somewhat guilty at having to split my man love between John and Jack.
Same, I just left a nice post in the Grealish thread. I love John too 💜
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This kid is going down in Villa folklore.
Please, please watch this.
https://twitter.com/darbs1962/status/1116979146087858176?s=21
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This is even better...
http://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1116996874160963584
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This is even better...
http://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1116996874160963584
Wonderful isn’t it?
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Another booking today, so now only two cards away from a three match ban. I think Smith is going to have to play this very carefully.
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I'd consider resting him for Bolton, play him in the Millwall game a few days later and then see where we stand and if he gets booked. Has the benefit of lowering the chances of a ban and gives him a rest as we play twice in a few days.
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Makes sense PWS...although I'd be inclined to play him in both the Bolton and Millwall games to make sure we pick up 6pts. He can come off at Bolton once we're 3-0 up! :D
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Makes sense PWS...although I'd be inclined to play him in both the Bolton and Millwall games to make sure we pick up 6pts. He can come off at Bolton once we're 3-0 up! :D
Thing with that is if he gets booked against Bolton it leaves us no wiggle room if we don't win. Any game he plays after that could see him out of x playoff games.
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I'm going to walk his dog and mow his lawn. He shouldn't move a muscle his week.
He's already walked it 10 miles and mowed the Villa Park pitch while he was doing it.
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2 yellows off three match ban concerns me.
I'd be resting him if he gets booked in either of the next two.
To win play offs we need him as much as Mings and Grealish.
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Yeah I know its a right pickle and we could have done without him picking up that booking today. Bolton got tonked 4-0 by Derby so you'd think we'd have enough without McGinn to get the win and help send them down...but in Deano we trust :)
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Bolton is as close to a gimme as you can probably get given the mess they are in which is why that's the one i'd rest him for. We can still bring him on if needed and still have Millwall a few days later. I agree that we need to have him for all the play-offs which is why I wouldn't be risking it unless we have no choice.
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I thought John was on 14 bookings now?
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I thought John was on 14 bookings now?
13.
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Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again
So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?
I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.
It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!
Brilliant player but as I say it's annoying his discipline.
I already flagged this up at 12 bookings as many seem unaware.
So what was he booked for this time?
I asked on 12 bookings if was necessary his booking? No one deemed comment
And now I flag at 13 bookings and that he has got 4 matches regular season and another 2 matches before potential play off final. Not to receive any cautions .
And if he gets booked 2 more times he will miss 3 matches. Which I said before and was part of the reason I had to highlight.
So as I say Smith must be frustrated with this as Mcginn has by his own combative style and stupidity petulance at times- brings a difficult situation.
It's a major concern that SJM will be having a 3 match ban . I wonder if engineer this sooner rather than later . (I don't like that sort of skullduggery personally)
The matches and maths don't go. And its becoming a disastrous reality he'll miss at least one match of the playoffs!
I feel this scenario should have been prevented
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We are all fully aware of McGinns booking issue footyskillz. It's also worth mentioning that it is believed that his booking won't roll over to the playoff-semis if we get there so it is understood that he only has 4 games to avoid 2 more bookings...I hope we're not wrong on that one but it seems correct reading the FA and EFL rules.
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We win 8 in a row for the first time in over 40 years and all you can do is moan about McGinn getting booked. Fuck me you're a bundle of fucking laughs.
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We're fully aware of the booking situation you self-important, boring arse.
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I'm in business of winning and seeing bigger pictures.
I suggest you recognize that it's a full season. Not an 8 match season
Yes 8 out of 8 is unbelievable !! Bloody super !
However our almighty leader and coach extrodinare Dean Smith would have same attitude -that have to focus on all things .
Anyway who wants to read the same stuff over and over again as we all aware that the mighty villa have won 8 out of 8.
I take your point though !
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I'm in business of winning and seeing bigger pictures.
Howling
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I'm surprised you can see anything you're so far up your own arse.
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Do cards obtained in the regular season apply in the playoffs?
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Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again
So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?
I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.
It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!
Brilliant player but as I say it's annoying his discipline.
I already flagged this up at 12 bookings as many seem unaware.
So what was he booked for this time?
I asked on 12 bookings if was necessary his booking? No one deemed comment
And now I flag at 13 bookings and that he has got 4 matches regular season and another 2 matches before potential play off final. Not to receive any cautions .
And if he gets booked 2 more times he will miss 3 matches. Which I said before and was part of the reason I had to highlight.
So as I say Smith must be frustrated with this as Mcginn has by his own combative style and stupidity petulance at times- brings a difficult situation.
It's a major concern that SJM will be having a 3 match ban . I wonder if engineer this sooner rather than later . (I don't like that sort of skullduggery personally)
The matches and maths don't go. And its becoming a disastrous reality he'll miss at least one match of the playoffs!
I feel this scenario should have been prevented
What worthy insight to quote yourself on. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
You certainly make me think.
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Do cards obtained in the regular season apply in the playoffs?
From the interpretation of the FA rules, it is believed that they don't as it states that cumulative bookings do not apply in play off games:
Number of cautions Cut-off date [inclusive]
Five [Premier League] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [EFL] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [National League] Following 23 league fixtures
10 [Premier League Following 32 league fixtures
10 [EFL] Following 37 league fixtures
10 [National League] Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues] *End of the season**
The remaining competitions will carry suspensions in those competitions only when a player has received two yellow cards in that competition.
N.B. Discipline in the EFL Trophy is competition specific and remains unchanged from last season.
* The FA Women’s Super League does not have cut-off dates. Automatic suspensions for players accumulating 5, 10, 15 cautions etc. will take effect at any stage during the season.
** This does not apply to play-off matches.
If that is correct, then his current bookings will not rollover into playoffs, however he could miss playoff games if he hits the 15 match quota within the next 4 games. That's my understanding of it anyway.
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A question for the elder Villa folk on here:
I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.
Does he have any similarities to players of past?
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I'm surprised you can see anything you're so far up your own arse.
Like
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A question for the elder Villa folk on here:
I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.
Does he have any similarities to players of past?
I'm struggling to think of anyone with a better engine. Frank Carrodus, Des Bremner, Bruce Rioch all had superb engines as did Sid Cowans but this lad seems to me to be ahead of them. It's all relative of course, different era's, different training methods, eating habits, pitches etc. SJM has the abilty to go a very long way in this game, I just hope it's with us.
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Hi kieron. Alex Cropley was good, and Sid of course and Des Bremner. Georgie Boateng had the same sort of engine, Gaz Baz had the same sort of arse but (holds nose) Platty was the closest IMO to being the overall driving force JMG is.
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A question for the elder Villa folk on here:
I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.
Does he have any similarities to players of past?
I'm struggling to think of anyone with a better engine. Frank Carrodus, Des Bremner, Bruce Rioch all had superb engines as did Sid Cowans but this lad seems to me to be ahead of them. It's all relative of course, different era's, different training methods, eating habits, pitches etc. SJM has the ability to go a very long way in this game, I just hope it's with us.
Des Bremner comes close.
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Reminds me of Milner with Barrys arse...but he's got a unique head down style and never seen a player like him.
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£25 million player at current values.
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He is unique. A mixture of Bremner, Barry and Milner.
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Milner had a similarly good engine, but he didn't have the terrier-like tenacity that McGinn has. To quote KRS above, the closest players would be Barry and Milner, with a touch of Ian Taylor possibly. They were all better than McGinn in some ways (Milner and Taylor goal scoring and tackling, Barry passing) but none of them had his sheer dynamism. I think he can only get better as well. Hopefully if we go up, we'll keep him and Grealish, and add a quality midfield general type to complement them.
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£25 million player at current values.
And the rest.
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He will be at home in the Premier League, hopefully with us or giving us £25m to play with.
I love him.
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We all love McGinn but bear in mind all of those Villa legends did it in the PL or at least at the top level of game in their generation. A much higher standard and like Jack I would like to see if they are able to replicate and elevate their game at a higher level.
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£25 million player at current values.
And the rest.
Absolutely. That would only buy one of the McGinn twins.
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Eric McGinn-McGinn.
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Cowans was unique in my opinion: although slight, he had incredible tenacity, vision and scoring ability.
Bremner was simply an engine: he broke up play and did the simple things brilliantly (but I don’t think he would have done what McGinn did in the corner in the last few minutes today).
Platt was no ball winner but knew when to move and where to move to, at exactly the right time. He read the game well.
McGinn could be a legend in the game ... and I wouldn’t want to label him in any way, relative to other players.
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Pound for pound, the best player we have signed in many, many years.
We would probably have to go back to the likes of Platt and Yorke, to compare value for money. Unless I'm forgetting anyone?
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Pound for pound, the best player we have signed in many, many years.
We would probably have to go back to the likes of Platt and Yorke, to compare value for money. Unless I'm forgetting anyone?
No you’re not, an absolute steal
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Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph
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Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph
Disagree he’s miles better than the snake
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Some great value players over the years, based on the criteria of being cheap and excellent. Obviously we've had other good players like Mellberg, but he wasn't dirty cheap.
Paul McGrath
Shaun Teale
Mark Delaney
Alan Wright
Gareth Southgate
Ian Taylor
Nolberto Solano
McGinn looks to be the first bargain in a very long time. We've mostly had free/cheap and crap, or expensive and a total waste of money.
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Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph
Disagree he’s miles better than the snake
Amen to that brother
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Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph
Disagree he’s miles better than the snake
More reference to similarities than who is better.
Left footed.
Drives with ball
Tackles , fouls and cards
Committed and passionate player.
Solid and energetic.
There are similarities by comparison both are actually rather unique.
Mcginn is abundance of joy I just hope he doesn't get any more bookings somehow ?!
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I think with the way he plays he’s prone to bookings. It’s just his game. It might be something we’re just going to have to live with.
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Brad Friedel I always thought was a value signing
But John McGinn has proved something outstanding both for value and actual impact and play. A cheap transfer that actually came off !!
To recall such nonsense value no marks that we usually get for 2million in last 10 makes Mcginn even more special for me.
The scot is the value signing of a midfielder position I'm certain .
The likes of el hamadi ,Sylla and Westwood all around 2million similar fee.
Think we spent double or triple the money of mcginn fee on likes of Tshibola, Jean Makon II , Reo Coker (wasn't he like 9 or 10million?)
Lansbury was proven in championship and he cost about 4 mil with a big wage .
The fee villa paid make it even sweeter and makes up for all those poor midfielder moves and attempts at the similar 2m fee players who have nothing on impact mcginn has made
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I assume he doesn't drive and just runs home?
The effort is phenomenal. I thought I was a bit long in the tooth to idolise a modern day footballer, but that's changed with this fella.
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A question for the elder Villa folk on here:
I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.
Does he have any similarities to players of past?
He does remind me a lot of Milner in a) the sheer amount of ground he covers over the 90 minutes and b) also the type if you play him wider he'd do a good job for the team I reckon.
And of course he's Gareth Barry's twin for the lovely sticking his arse in to win a 50/50 challenge.
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Well he averages 1 every 3 matches.
And as say if he gets 15 bookings then he gonna be suspended for 3 matches and play off matches count as part of it. I won't highlight it again but feel need to make it abuduntantly clear as people seemed to debate it! And also not acknowledge that he picks up too many yellows
So for all his amazing contribution Mcginn he's spoiling himself with the bookings
He's had 2 suspension this season already.
The play offs are part of the season anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't get it !
The threshold is there and those are the rules. I don't understand why people think they would they be wiped out just because team reaches play off. It's part of the playing season!!
So let's have it right and not misinterpret and its why I mentioned the thing in the first place . Why would I make such a point otherwise. Unbelievable
Say he gets booked next two matches
Bolton
Millwall
Then he suspended
Leeds
Norwich
Semi final leg
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Eligible for
Semi final leg
Final
If he gets just one booking in next 2 matches hes therefor at risk of missing more .of crucial play offs
I won't ever mention this again until it happens. Only based on fact he can't help getting booked
I will shhh now on bookings subject .
Debate or ignore all you like but I posted for good reason !
Other than that the guy is a perfect player! And an absolute joy with bundles of energy !
I hope he plays more wisely to prevent the very likely scenario of suspension.
Thats all
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I thought someone suggested that the play off games do not count in terms of serving a suspension, unless a player got sent off?
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McGinn gets booked? I never noticed.
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When 6 minutes of extra time was called everyone around me was like, "WTF?! 6 minutes?!"
We needn't have worried with SJM on the case. That bit at the end when he received the ball in the box and thought "nah, I'll just take it to the corner flag".
Taking the piss big time. Love it!
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He's like a playmaking, goal scoring defensive midfielder with a winning, team mentality. Thank you Hibs. You was robbed, but thank you.
We just have to go up. Grealish and McGinn in the same PL team at the same time is too great an opportunity to miss. With one or two equally astute additions we would be a force to be reckoned with up there. And no chance of keeping either of them if we're not up, they're way too good.
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This is even better...
http://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1116996874160963584
My four year old was singing the McGinn song yesterday. I will try to get a video of him later.
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I'm going to walk his dog and mow his lawn. He shouldn't move a muscle his week.
He's already walked it 10 miles and mowed the Villa Park pitch while he was doing it.
Like. It is the return of the James Milner's Awesomeness thread!
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Well he averages 1 every 3 matches.
And as say if he gets 15 bookings then he gonna be suspended for 3 matches and play off matches count as part of it. I won't highlight it again but feel need to make it abuduntantly clear as people seemed to debate it! And also not acknowledge that he picks up too many yellows
So for all his amazing contribution Mcginn he's spoiling himself with the bookings
He's had 2 suspension this season already.
The play offs are part of the season anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't get it !
The threshold is there and those are the rules. I don't understand why people think they would they be wiped out just because team reaches play off. It's part of the playing season!!
So let's have it right and not misinterpret and its why I mentioned the thing in the first place . Why would I make such a point otherwise. Unbelievable
Say he gets booked next two matches
Bolton
Millwall
Then he suspended
Leeds
Norwich
Semi final leg
-------------------------------
Eligible for
Semi final leg
Final
If he gets just one booking in next 2 matches hes therefor at risk of missing more .of crucial play offs
I won't ever mention this again until it happens. Only based on fact he can't help getting booked
I will shhh now on bookings subject .
Debate or ignore all you like but I posted for good reason !
Other than that the guy is a perfect player! And an absolute joy with bundles of energy !
I hope he plays more wisely to prevent the very likely scenario of suspension.
Thats all
Seeing as you keep going on about it and repeating yourself, do you think any yellow cards picked up in the two playoff semi-final games would be included in the “season” and be added to his existing 13 bookings (ie let’s say he has 14 after the Norwich game, and he gets booked in the second leg, then would he be banned for the final?). The understanding on here as stated in the FA rules is that the final game of the season is the Norwich game, and any bookings received in the playoff games wouldn’t be added to any existing number of bookings.
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I think his efforts on Weds night caught up with him a bit yesterday as he was on the periphery of the game for long periods, until the last 10 mins when, yet again, he seemed to find a burst of energy and was immense. Brilliant game management from him.
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Can someone please give a final answer on this McGinn booking situation. Is there a clean slate for the play offs or not? He so important that we really can’t take any risks on this.
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Hes got two to play with anyway.
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Can someone please give a final answer on this McGinn booking situation. Is there a clean slate for the play offs or not? He so important that we really can't take any risks on this.
Yes, he can be banned for the play-offs. But no, he can't be banned during the play-offs (unless he gets sent off, obviously).
Gets to 15 any time before the final whistle vs Norwich, he's out for three games, be that play-offs or the start of 19/20.
After that whistle, the slate is wiped clean, and he'll be free to get himself booked in each of the play-off games without fear of immediate suspension.
After the end of the play-off final, any soiled slates get another wipe, ready for next season.
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Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
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Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.
I'd rest him on Friday as well
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Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.
I'd rest him on Friday as well
That was how I saw it too.
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Is he on 13 bookings?
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Is he on 13 bookings?
No idea. Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
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Is he on 13 bookings?
No idea. Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
A) Does he have a release clause, and
B) Could it start a bidding war?
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only if someone bids more than the release clause!
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Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.
I'd rest him on Friday as well
No. If we left him at home he will run after the coach all the way to Bolton and end up knackering himself for Monday.
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Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.
I'd rest him on Friday as well
Fitness/niggles etc permitting I'd probably go the other way and have SJM play the next two games to try to get the points on the board and then rest him. I know the games missed with that theory would be harder games on paper but depending on other results we should have a pretty good idea where we are after this coming weekend. If other results go our way and we can get 2 wins we will be there or there abouts ;-).
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I’d do the same, play him now but as soon as he gets to 14 bookings take him out and rest him. We simply cannot be without him for the play offs.
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If he did get booked would it be worth getting a second yellow in the same game and taking the one match ban for the red card?
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I've a feeling it'd be worse, they'd be consecutive and accumulative, not concurrent. He'd miss 4.
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Cropley, Bremner and Milner mix
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Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
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Exclusive footage of SJM heading back to Glasgow after a day's training at BH
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Sqc3POpzkj5r8SQ/giphy.gif)
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Run John Run.
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Perhaps we should buy him a house in Nelson St. (and no running ten times round Aston Park to get there).
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Even though I believe it to be case before being presented with this I can see why it's confusing .
And even though English isn't my first language I'm understanding R&Rs are stating cut off dates and when they are .
Therefor cut off dates for 15 yellow cards end of season ** do not apply to play offs . So I read this simply as saying end of season is the cut off point for disciplinary sanctions but the asterisk implies that= clubs which are involved in play off matches bookings incurred will count.
So I read it as the **does not apply to mean the cut off does not apply to play off matches so they are all included .
Which means no clean slate for clubs players till the play offs are over for them
It's poorly worded but the following part of the FA link states that cumulative bookings do not apply in play off games:
Number of cautions Cut-off date [inclusive]
Five [Premier League] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [EFL] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [National League] Following 23 league fixtures
10 [Premier League Following 32 league fixtures
10 [EFL] Following 37 league fixtures
10 [National League] Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues] *End of the season**
The remaining competitions will carry suspensions in those competitions only when a player has received two yellow cards in that competition.
N.B. Discipline in the EFL Trophy is competition specific and remains unchanged from last season.
* The FA Women’s Super League does not have cut-off dates. Automatic suspensions for players accumulating 5, 10, 15 cautions etc. will take effect at any stage during the season.
** This does not apply to play-off matches.
As I said previous I don't want to harp on the whole point was to make aware the threat is real. We'll just see shall we ? I mean I like to think I knowledge on what goes on and share it accurately where I can but I thought only decent to reply with my thoughts on the official document which was kindly posted.
So no more from me till necessary on when the threshold is for disciplinary matter and will meet if it comes to it.
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I thought you'd gone
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I hoped he'd gone. He seems to be labouring under the misapprehension that he's the only person on the site who has realised that McGinn is in danger of another ban.
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Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.
I'd rest him on Friday as well
This is the other issue I'm trying to highlight and debate outside of all the great stuff because it's not being mentioned and that is mcginn and discipline in general.
Divine retribution
After Grealish who has been fouled 133 times Mcginn 103 fouled is the 2nd most fouled player in the league (10 more than next Harry Wilson)
So though the refs are sub standard in this league and that those are the only legitimate fouls our Mcginn has had officially been fouled 2.8 times a match. I think every game players have hacked away at him.
I really think could be a case the less protection he's had plus him being in combative midfield has led him to pick up all these yellow cards
On his bookings he has been booked for fouls on all occasion bar one where it was adjudicated to have been unsporting behaviour.
Now getting more an understanding and it's frustrating that he's getting booked perhaps when opposition players have had made more fouls against him!
I think it's some of these refs way of levelling it out as Mcginn far too good a midfielder and he's joint 3rd with Barry bannan and Sam morsey(Wigan fouler! Fouls way more than he gets fouled against) on yellow cards .
Jack Colback and Ben Pearson are top on 14 yellows who are both fouling footballers and have worse disciplinary that Mcginn (not mention abilitiy)
As a central midfielder plays are going to be in combat but Mcginn unlike these other card collectors above him has been fouled over 100 times this season but only fouled opposition 57 times .
Jack Colback most yellows has been fouled 81 times and given 75 fouls away this could go some way to explaining how he gives a bit back but when Mcginn does half the fouls against him 57 to fouled 103 he's been carded nearly as much .
I think this is why SJM gets booked because He is being fouled too much every match illegal and not having the free kick.
The refs don't protect him enough in that midfield.
He's blatantly far too class a player so opposition have to foul to stop him
He's a little awks on his technics at tackling
He combative and feels he should be allowed to get stuck in but is not equally treated yet gets booked!!
Those are my facts, points and thoughts .
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I hoped he'd gone. He seems to be labouring under the misapprehension that he's the only person on the site who has realised that McGinn is in danger of another ban.
I think your ll find rene risso I'm highlighting the fact mcginn can miss some or all of the play off matches as the cut off does not apply to play off matches therefor mcginn can be suspended at any time for 3 games until play offs are over . That's it not mentioning til deemed necessary.
Though developing things I gave some thought as to why mcginn is getting cautioned no one else has done that. Not saying people don't realize these things but am bringing to attention and some frankly won't be aware so I'm doing a good service . Pioneering ideas and bring it to one another's thinking is what I do .
Stop trying to stop my disservices to the site. I think I brought up very good point to why mcginn has 13 yellow cards actually !
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Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21
It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
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It’s like the nutter on the bus and the boring bloke in the pub rolled into one.
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Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21
It was very satisfying wasn't it.
It's on the YouTube highlights. Superb!
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I think John McGinn is ace. He has 13 bookings but I don't care as there is nothing I can do about it. I'm off now, and you will not hear from me until my next post.
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Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21
It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
Many thanks. It was glorious, great shame the keeper managed to keep it out - presumably one of the shots 'straight at him' according to some on here!
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It was a very good effort, but when a keeper doesn't have to move to his left or right at all to make a save, surely by definition it's "straight at him"? That's not to devalue it at all though, it was a fierce strike with very little time for the keeper to react.
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Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21
It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
Ooooh that deserves a goal...great save from their keeper again, but I keep watching it on repeat and hope it goes in! :D
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I think John McGinn is ace. He has 13 bookings but I don't care as there is nothing I can do about it. I'm off now, and you will not hear from me until my next post.
Can't you at least wait till his next booking?
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Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
I think he should have passed it.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21
It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
Ooooh that deserves a goal...great save from their keeper again, but I keep watching it on repeat and hope it goes in! :D
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Not wishing to deflect from the love in, but if he'd laid it off, El Ghazi could've just rolled it in the bottom corner.
Just saying, like.
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I think you mean the square ball to Davis? ;)
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Sometimes I also get confused between El Ghazi and Davis when I am cleaning my glasses.
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I meant El Ghazi. In all the excitement I'd not spotted Davis!
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This should clear up McGinn card-gate once and for all courtesy of BMail (https://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/explained-john-mcginn-could-miss-16127705.amp):
Explained: Why John McGinn could miss ALL of Aston Villa's playoff charge
The AVFC midfielder has had a stunning first season in English football
Although Jack Grealish has claimed all of the Aston Villa plaudits in recent weeks, it is his midfield partner that has continued to flourish.
John McGinn has enjoyed a near perfect start to life south of the border, after his move to Villa from Hibernian last summer.
Celtic were also keen on the Scotland international and his super Championship performances have made it clear to see why.
He has become influential in Dean Smith's side, scoring four and creating two in his last six games.
Despite that, Villa may have to go into the playoffs without the 24-year-old.
One slight blot on McGinn's copybook has been his unerring ability to pick up yellow cards.
His caution against Bristol City was his 13th of the campaign. He has already served a two match suspension for reaching 10 yellows but the fate for hitting 15 could be a lot more severe.
The FA regulations stipulate that should a player reach 15 yellow cards before the end of the season, they would face a three game absence.
Should McGinn pick up two more yellow cards, he will face a three game ban that will carry on into the end of season playoffs.
An EFL spokesperson has told BirminghamLive: "Bookings in the Play-Offs don’t count towards a suspension but bookings in League matches leading up to the Play-Offs do. Therefore if a player was to accumulate a 15th yellow card on the final day of the season they would then miss the entire Play-Off campaign (if their team was to make the Play-Off Final)."
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Pisser. Be tempted to bench him for the next couple only to be brought on if we’re desperate.
We absolutely need him the playoffs.
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Deffo need this situation to be managed. We have enough cover in midfield to go to Bolton and Milwall at home without risking our best player.
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Yep we should be able to cement a playoff place without him against them, but if not he’ll have had a rest ahead of games against Leeds and Norwich which will have become shit or bust anyway.
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Well as its a potential 3 game ban he can play against Bolton, then if he picks up a booking we pull him out and rest him till the play offs. No booking and he plays the next game. But as soon as he gets a booking he gets subbed so not to risk it. Simple isn't it.
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I'd be more inclined to play him until he gets one more booking then leave him out until the play offs. We'll piss Bolton and Millwall with him playing, which should be enough to guarantee the top 6.
I can see why it's tempting to leave him on the bench against Bolton though, particularly if Grealish is back.
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Play him on Friday. If he doesn’t get booked, play him on Monday. If he does, lock him in a cupboard until the play offs.
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I guess the point is to do you still play him against teams we should beat without him or use him to minimise risk of unexpectedly dropping points and risk another card that all but rules him out of the remaining games unless we get desperate.
Personally, given last few games and particularly Rotherham I’d like him to be rested soon anyway as he probably needs it. To me he looked a bit off it on Saturday, until the end when we were defending the 1 goal lead, by his own ridiculous standards.
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Play him on Friday. If he doesn’t get booked, play him on Monday. If he does, lock him in a cupboard until the play offs.
That’s what I reckon Smith will do
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What does a one match ban for a red do to the tally? Might have a plan involving alioski...
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Pisser. Be tempted to bench him for the next couple only to be brought on if we’re desperate.
We absolutely need him the playoffs.
But isn’t this good news, clarification/confirmation that a booking once in the playoffs won’t add to the count. It’s certainly good news that we won’t need to keep discussing it.
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Yep thank f**k that’s finally cleared up so we can get on with our lives and look forward to supporting all the Villa boys in the playoffs.
Making sure we bag the next 6pts is what’s most important at this stage and he will have recovered by Friday, so don’t take any risks and play him until he gets booked again.
All being well, we may well have secured our playoff spot by the time we play Leeds or Norwich, so I’d certainly be resting/protecting Jack, SJM and Tammy for those games as a precaution if we have that luxury option.
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I'd certainly rest players vrs Leeds as it's possible we could face them in the play offs.
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What would happen if he got a red (for two yellows) in the next game
Does he then only miss the next game (Millwall)
Maybe if we were 2/3 up against Bolton then should we play / bend the rules?
I know it is not in the spirit of the game but what the hell
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I may be wrong but I think it might a ban for the yellows and another for the red. So 4 games.
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It’s like the nutter on the bus and the boring bloke in the pub rolled into one.
This.
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From the days of yore, I'm sure I remember a situation where someone spent a game trying to get themselves sent off so's they wouldn't miss The Cup Final, or something along those lines. Did it happen? Anyone else recall the suchlike? Was it Bryan Robson?
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Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?
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From the days of yore, I'm sure I remember a situation where someone spent a game trying to get themselves sent off so's they wouldn't miss The Cup Final, or something along those lines. Did it happen? Anyone else recall the suchlike? Was it Bryan Robson?
Steve Foster.
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I remember Villa players, possibly Ehiogu and Staunton, getting themselves booked so as to miss a league game and be back for a League Cup Final.
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Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?
It's his nick name. Meatball head.
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Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?
It's his nick name. Meatball head.
Yep, big meatball-like head & small features, if you look at him closely.
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I remember Villa players, possibly Ehiogu and Staunton, getting themselves booked so as to miss a league game and be back for a League Cup Final.
Andy Townsend said Dalian once got himself booked so he could have Boxing Day off.
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International-wise, Beckham against wales rings a bell.
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I remember Villa players, possibly Ehiogu and Staunton, getting themselves booked so as to miss a league game and be back for a League Cup Final.
One of them was Savo, he deliberately kicked the ball away, at Liverpool when we went 0-3 down in about five minutes a couple of weeks before the League Cup Final.
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We all dream of a team of John McGinn’s!
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Apparently a singer/songwriter has produced a new song for SJM. From what I’ve heard of it, it sounds god awful. When will ppl learn that these recorded songs never work and won’t be adopted or sung by the fans. I reserve the right to take that back if it catches on! :D
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Is it the person who did
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Can't we request the bookings be split between the two John McGinn's?
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Is it the person who did?
Thankfully not. Is that the one they played and had us all cringing to at the Cup Final?
It’s someone called Emma Flowers and it’s “taken Twitter by storm” according to BMail (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/walking-mcginn-incredible-aston-villa-16131372.amp)
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Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?
It's his nick name. Meatball head.
Yep, big meatball-like head & small features, if you look at him closely.
Suspected that - thanks for confirming. UTV
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Nothing could be worse than the 'Championee' (?) dirge.
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Is it the person who did
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Monumentally shit.
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I raise you with:
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Please make it stop! :D
What’s really worrying is that at some point, these ppl have said to themselves “Ooooh I’ve got a great idea for a Villa song”, recorded it, then said “Ooooh that sounds really good”, and then released their fuck nugget monstrosity onto the general public.
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The walking with McGinn is a piss take started by Jimmy Hessel on Twitter and I think it's pretty funny.
This was the first video and it took off from there...
https://twitter.com/JimmyHessel/status/1116103437622624256
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If McGinn was to pick up 2 yellows the next game and was sent off, would that mean...15 yellow cards - 3 game ban ON TOP of a 1 game ban for a red? Meaning missing the next 3 league matches and the first leg of the play off?
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If this was Bruce he would be talking about Forestieri being in danger of picking up his 1st yellow card.
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If McGinn was to pick up 2 yellows the next game and was sent off, would that mean...15 yellow cards - 3 game ban ON TOP of a 1 game ban for a red? Meaning missing the next 3 league matches and the first leg of the play off?
That is a fascinating question but scary concept!
When a player is sent off for 2 yellows that doesn't add to the yellow card amount of season it's just marked as red card.
So mcginn red against Bolton would read 13 yellows and 1 red and not a feared and ghastly I'll displined 15 and 1 red
I don't see Mcginn the type to get red cards despite all his caution this season .57 fouls made (he's been fouled 103 times!)
We know a sending off from to 2 yellow cards in match is a 1 match ban
Or a straight red card received for a professional foul.
That's what mcginn mostly gets cautioned for and he miss a game
He's not big on a dissenter but if he got a 2nd booking then that could get him a 2 match ban.
If we wants to go all tough guy with violent conduct then that sort of disgraceful and uncalled for behavior gets treated with a 3 or more game suspension.
Two yellow card caution in same match would not add to the bookings total but of course would lead to a match ban because it's a red card
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I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
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I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
I quite agree, but using the term "wetting the bed" seldom has the the desired result.
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It's a maximum of 3 games anyway - Even if we don't field the reserves against Norwich, I fully expect rotations in the games leading up to it.
Those players who played last week, Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday (including Wednesday with 10 men for an hour), may well be in need of a deserved rest - SJM, the full backs and Tammy.
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Stop pissing our pants or keep our powder dry any better? ::) ;)
We need to remain focused on picking up maximum points against Bolton and Millwall with our best players available, and think about resting players against Leeds and Norwich if the playoff position is secure.
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I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
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I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.
That is that on that.
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I might have followed through.
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Is it the person who did
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One of our number sung that song in its entirety in a Swiss Cottage boozer.
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I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.
That is that on that.
Apologies if either of my comments caused any unintended offence to yourself or anyone else.
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Not at all. No knickers in a twist here.
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I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.
That is that on that.
It's of little consequence, but it was the bed, not knickers, which were being wet. I suppose that means the anxiety (much like the urine) is expressed whilst unconscious.
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Oh, and the simple concept that 'Dean Smith is not an idiot' is the kind of thing the bed/knicker wetters don't factor in when failing to control their bladders. In fact it's massively common to think other people are incapable of seeing what is blindingly obvious to ourselves. If I was paying someone X million pounds to manage Aston Villa, I would expect him to be aware of the situation and have a plan rather than wake up sweating in the night when McGinn gets his 15th yellow card thinking, 'oh, fuck, why didn't I consider that.'
Having said all of which, much as I have previously admitted that I have a deep man love for SJM, I would really like him to just stop fouling people so much.
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Oh, and the simple concept that 'Dean Smith is not an idiot' is the kind of thing the bed/knicker wetters don't factor in when failing to control their bladders. In fact it's massively common to think other people are incapable of seeing what is blindingly obvious to ourselves. If I was paying someone X million pounds to manage Aston Villa, I would expect him to be aware of the situation and have a plan rather than wake up sweating in the night when McGinn gets his 15th yellow card thinking, 'oh, fuck, why didn't I consider that.'
Having said all of which, much as I have previously admitted that I have a deep man love for SJM , I would really like him to just stop fouling people so much.
I'm glad to see that you've moved on from Grealish now Mike. Leave him to me, I'll look after him. SJM much more your type, I would've thought (winking face).
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I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.
That is that on that.
Apologies if either of my comments caused any unintended offence to yourself or anyone else.
No problem here, KRS. I was just pointing out that that it might inflame the argument. Nothing wrong with that either, sometimes.
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I'd play him in the next two, even if he gets booked against Bolton. I'd rather risk him not playing in the first leg than risk not qualifying at all.
If results go our way, we could have top six secured after the Millwall game. We can rest him then.
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The whole point is that Mcginn has to take some responsibility here for getting into a position if 13 yellows for the season.
As much as I laud him one should recognise his utter failings in his continued cautions.
People say it's for Smith to manage and to be aware yet I'm the only one debating why he may have received all those yellows and also stating that it's really poor by player himself to put himself in that situation as much as it is the manager.
The easy out is to blame Steve Bruce of course I mean he signed him !
However if Mcginn messes it up then it undoes all the good and excellence he's brought to the midfield even if he is mine and many favourites.
For me his bookings should have been addressed at 10 and that suspension now he's in the situation .
However I gave a good account to potential why he is fouling and it would be nice for others to even contemplate Mcginn and his fouling ways and what he should be doing about it.
I already suggested it's the refs and lack of protection plus something systematically wrong that he gets fouled twice as much as he gives away fouls . I think that unfair measure means opposition players get more nibbles where as our John is given less leniency.
Whatever the reasons the fact is he himself has got into the position of 13 yellows and needs to think about what he's going a heck of a lot more now but should have been doing this even more so.
I hope this teaches him and that he can learn from situation as he's a liability in that respect if he isn't addressing this.
Losing inplay offs in part to Mcginn being suspended for example would have to then lose a lot of love for him
Love is blind to a lot on here and it has to be argued that Mcginn as a player who gets cautioned is a weakness and frustrated that has been a constant situation.
I adore his work rate enthusiasm and endeavour not to mention his combative style and drive with the ball.
The goals and sheer brilliance is there but he's also very foolish and that needs to be said even if we all love him.
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Footy you often bring some useful research or fresh perspective to discussions on here, but I’m wondering if on this thread you are closer to getting yellow carded for getting worked up with yourself here. I think we’ve clocked there is an issue/risk re: the number of cards. There is some awareness that the role and style of play (an ankle biting terrier of a midfielder who when covering half the pitch also knows when to take one for the team) means more risk of being carded. Yes he needs to reduce the number of bookings, yes this might be hard given his style of play, yes we can be confident the club’s management have noticed all of the above too.
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Personally, I am concerned about the tightrope McGinn is walking. Yes, I agree that 1 more booking and he will be pulled until the play offs so it is not a major worry but more a niggle as we seek to keep up continuity.
I'm interested to see the teams picked for our next 2 games over the Easter period. There certainly has to be the temptation to rotate, especially those who I mentioned before as having played the last 3 games in a week.
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Oh, and the simple concept that 'Dean Smith is not an idiot' is the kind of thing the bed/knicker wetters don't factor in when failing to control their bladders. In fact it's massively common to think other people are incapable of seeing what is blindingly obvious to ourselves. If I was paying someone X million pounds to manage Aston Villa, I would expect him to be aware of the situation and have a plan rather than wake up sweating in the night when McGinn gets his 15th yellow card thinking, 'oh, fuck, why didn't I consider that.'
Having said all of which, much as I have previously admitted that I have a deep man love for SJM , I would really like him to just stop fouling people so much.
I'm glad to see that you've moved on from Grealish now Mike. Leave him to me, I'll look after him. SJM much more your type, I would've thought (winking face).
I haven’t moved on, I’m conflicted. I can’t see it ending happily.
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Mcginn gets twice as fouled as he fouls but gets cautioned as much as other championship players who dish out more fouls and cautioned more than some players who dish out more fouls!
Something isn't right .
It's up to player himself also to be aware he's targeted by refs and other players.
All a learning process.
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I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.
That is that on that.
It's of little consequence, but it was the bed, not knickers, which were being wet. I suppose that means the anxiety (much like the urine) is expressed whilst unconscious.
I think your argument is unTENAble ;)
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Mcginn gets twice as fouled as he fouls but gets cautioned as much as other championship players who dish out more fouls and cautioned more than some players who dish out more fouls!
Something isn't right .
It's up to player himself also to be aware he's targeted by refs and other players.
All a learning process.
What does this even mean?
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It's in code.
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He gets booked on average once every three games. He'll be fine.
Don't matter, anyway. With or without him, they're all getting battered.
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This made me smile..
Villa Views
@VillaViews_
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BREAKING: Game against Bolton will go ahead after John McGinn said he'd happily do the work of all police, paramedics and security while also running the Villa midfield. #avfc
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Duly nicked.
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Mcginn gets twice as fouled as he fouls but gets cautioned as much as other championship players who dish out more fouls and cautioned more than some players who dish out more fouls!
Something isn't right .
It's up to player himself also to be aware he's targeted by refs and other players.
All a learning process.
What does this even mean?
It’s in Unwinese. If you look up the works of the late great Professor Stanley Unwin you will soon realise that Footy is just being a little obfuscationary in his syntaxywelds which can give the uninitiated great ganglings in the frontal lobybolds of his brainydido. As soon as you get the hang of it, deep joy will follow.
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This made me smile..
Villa Views
@VillaViews_
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BREAKING: Game against Bolton will go ahead after John McGinn said he'd happily do the work of all police, paramedics and security while also running the Villa midfield. #avfc
And also getting booked despite less fouls committed than Bolton players on him!
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It’s in Unwinese. If you look up the works of the late great Professor Stanley Unwin you will soon realise that Footy is just being a little obfuscationary in his syntaxywelds which can give the uninitiated great ganglings in the frontal lobybolds of his brainydido. As soon as you get the hang of it, deep joy will follow.
[applause]
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This made me smile..
Villa Views
@VillaViews_
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BREAKING: Game against Bolton will go ahead after John McGinn said he'd happily do the work of all police, paramedics and security while also running the Villa midfield. #avfc
And also getting booked despite less fouls committed than Bolton players on him!
Are you sure you are getting your message across Skillz? ???
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I might regret this, but what is his message? McGinn has been booked 13 times and...? What? What's the point?
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I might regret this, but what is his message? McGinn has been booked 13 times and...? What? What's the point?
I will regret this but I think his point(s) are:
1) McGinn should try harder not to pick up bookings.
2) Referees should protect Mcginn more, as it is possible some of the bookings he does receive are an indirect result of being fouled constantly and feeling the need to get the offenders back.
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I might regret this, but what is his message? McGinn has been booked 13 times and...? What? What's the point?
I will regret this but I think his point(s) are:
1) McGinn should try harder not to pick up bookings.
2) Referees should protect Mcginn more, as it is possible some of the bookings he does receive are an indirect result of being fouled constantly and feeling the need to get the offenders back.
Which all pisstaking aside are pretty valid points.
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Just bought 12 bottles of these for my Gin shop
I will be purchasing one to drink Easter Monday
(https://oi1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/mcgin-glasgow-gin_zpsw3mawgkd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/mcgin-glasgow-gin_zpsw3mawgkd.jpg.html)
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I think the 2nd point is much bigger, between them Jack and McGinn get fouled, on average, 7.5 times a game and in a lot of games it's the 5th or 6th foul on them before the ref takes any action and McGinn seems to, sometimes, take things into his own hands. Loads of his yellow cards have been for the only foul he committed all game. The worst thing is, thinking back, I can't remember more than 2-3 genuinely bad tackles from McGinn, there have been a couple of 'taking one for the team' fouls and 1-2 he's kleft a foot in but most of them are just a bit late and not much more.
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Another who shouldn’t play past the Millwall game until the playoffs
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Would play them v Leeds, vital if Leeds are going to end up in play offs now we go up there with our best 11 and give them something to think about.
Give them all a rest v Norwich.
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Can I just ask how many bookings John has so far and what happens if he gets booked 3 times against Millwall? I can't find a discussion on this anywhere:)
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Would play them v Leeds, vital if Leeds are going to end up in play offs now we go up there with our best 11 and give them something to think about.
Give them all a rest v Norwich.
I don't agree. If it ends you that we play Leeds (unlikely for two reasons) rest both Jack and John so they get it with both barrels ion the play off.
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Can I just ask how many bookings John has so far and what happens if he gets booked 3 times against Millwall? I can't find a discussion on this anywhere:)
You get a booking for raising it. How many more before you are kicked off the thread?
We might decide to rest your comments until the play offs ;)
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I have 13 warnings but have appealed against all. Admin are busy so decisions are pending.
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Another game gone...
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Yes it's quite simple now if he gets booked at Leeds just rest him for Norwich.
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What a diamond we found, he will have no problem stepping up, UTV. ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ.
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The Arse of God.
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Better arse...Barry or McGinn?
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Better arse...Barry or McGinn?
Barry had implants, McGinns is natural
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He'd have to pick up a booking in each of the next two games to miss the play offs, which surely isn't going to happen. If he got one against Leeds for example, you just rest him against Norwich, which wouldn't be a bad idea anyway. Any bookings picked up in the play offs themselves don't count.
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Is it the person who did
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One of our number sung that song in its entirety in a Swiss Cottage boozer.
I dont know who you are talking about...
Gobby scouse twat blathering on about history to me!
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Must not play next week.
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Anyone else bricking it when SJM went to tackle anyone after his yellow?!
Also the handball he made, but the ref allowed Leeds to advantage. I had visions of him booking SJM for that
i would have taken SJM off instead of JG personally
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Anyone else bricking it when SJM went to tackle anyone after his yellow?!
Also the handball he made, but the ref allowed Leeds to advantage. I had visions of him booking SJM for that
i would have taken SJM off instead of JG personally
Totally with you Rudy on all the points you make. I would probably "rest" him on the bench next Sunday. UTV
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Beachwear for SJM next week.
I know a Hibs fan who booked tickets a few weeks back to come and see him play again for us!!!
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It would be absolute lunacy for McGinn to play next week.
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Dean has already said post game that SJM will sit out next week against Norwich.
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Dean has already said post game that SJM will sit out next week against Norwich.
Thank God !
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Must not play next week.
Won't be. Smith has already said so.
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Must not play next week.
Won't be. Smith has already said so.
Good stuff Dean. Far too big a risk to see him booked in a nothing game and then be out for whole play off campaign.
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Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?
They won't notice.
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Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?
They won't notice.
They will when they see how much he runs.
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Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?
They won't notice.
They will when they see how much he runs.
Ha ha ace
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Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?
They won't notice.
They will when they see how much he runs.
Ha ha ace
Hahahaha!
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Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?
They won't notice.
They will when they see how much he runs.
Ha ha ace
Hahahaha!
don't make fun of our new centre forward please
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I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking. It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.
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I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking. It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.
Two yellows leading to a red would have only been a one match ban wouldn’t it? Back for the playoffs.
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I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking. It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.
Two yellows leading to a red would have only been a one match ban wouldn’t it? Back for the playoffs.
Ordinarily, yes, but that would have given him 15 yellows in total leading to the three match ban, ie out for the Norwich game and the first two play off games.
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I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking. It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.
Two yellows leading to a red would have only been a one match ban wouldn’t it? Back for the playoffs.
Ordinarily, yes, but that would have given him 15 yellows in total leading to the three match ban, ie out for the Norwich game and the first two play off games.
cumulative with the red as well, so out for the final too.
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I think it would have been a 4 match ban for the Red plus 15 yellows
It was ridiculous he was on the pitch
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Anybody on the outside would think he’s a dirty bastard.
Only one or two of his bookings have been daft.
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Are yellow cards reset for the play offs? If he picks up a booking in the first leg that doesn't mean he's out for the 2nd leg and potential final does it?
Can only a red card at some stage of the 2 legs prevent anyone missing the final now?
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Are yellow cards reset for the play offs? If he picks up a booking in the first leg that doesn't mean he's out for the 2nd leg and potential final does it?
Can only a red card at some stage of the 2 legs prevent anyone missing the final now?
Another yellow card and he misses next season.
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All of it? That's a bit harsh.
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Are yellow cards reset for the play offs? If he picks up a booking in the first leg that doesn't mean he's out for the 2nd leg and potential final does it?
Can only a red card at some stage of the 2 legs prevent anyone missing the final now?
I'm fairly sure that the bookings (14) only applied up until the end of games today and then they are forgotten forever.
I think the play offs carry their own system where 2 bookings in the semi-final would see a player miss the final.
Then, next season, everybody starts on an even keel with 0 bookings.
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If thats the case id be surprised if McGinn even made the final then should we get there.
Can you see him not picking up a booking in both games again Albion?
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You wouldn't want to take anything away from his game because he has been immense but 14 bookings is way too many.
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You wouldn't want to take anything away from his game because he has been immense but 14 bookings is way too many.
It is and it’s sonething he needs to address, particularly those wheee he’s booked for being gobby.
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How many of SJM's bookings have been for dissent?
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Do the club fine players for receiving bookings or reaching certain number of bookings?
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Do the club fine players for receiving bookings or reaching certain number of bookings?
In the extremely soft world of football I bet 1 maybe 2 were deserving of bookings.
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Absolutely. My question still stands though, and I'd imagine any fine process would take into consideration unfair or incorrectly awarded bookings.
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Absolutely. My question still stands though, and I'd imagine any fine process would take into consideration unfair or incorrectly awarded bookings.
As far as I understand it there is no review process for yellow cards.
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🎵 Footy come back 🎵
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As Bryn from Gavin and Stacey would say , joking I am ...
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Worst game he’s had for us today I think. Hopefully out of his system now and he’ll be back to normal levels on Tuesday.
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Rather classy effort from this Hibs fan (Fellow Fan on twitter) wishing John, and us, all the best for Wembley.
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Rather classy effort from this Hibs fan (Fellow Fan on twitter) wishing John, and us, all the best for Wembley.
When I was on the phone to Sky recently I got talking to a Rangers fan who raved about SJM. It’s source of amusement for them that Celtic missed out by missing out on SJM because they wouldn’t pay another £500k to match our bid
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I've found a link to that link with Hibs wishing us all the best for the Final.
Class.
https://twitter.com/thetremontipick/status/1129747858738098182?s=21
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Worst game he’s had for us today I think. Hopefully out of his system now and he’ll be back to normal levels on Tuesday.
I thought he was better but still some way off his best
Hopefully Derby just won't be able to block him and grealish off in the way the baggies did
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I've found a link to that link with Hibs wishing us all the best for the Final.
Class.
https://twitter.com/thetremontipick/status/1129747858738098182?s=21
I fucking love this!
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I've found a link to that link with Hibs wishing us all the best for the Final.
Class.
https://twitter.com/thetremontipick/status/1129747858738098182?s=21
I think this is my favourite tweet ever. ❤️
😂😂
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Torygraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/25/aston-villas-season-has-disappointment-even-win-play-off-final/)
Aston Villa's season has been a disappointment even if we win play-off final, admits John McGinn
John Percy
25 May 2019 • 10:30pm
In a break with tradition, John McGinn and Jack Grealish missed their Thursday meal together this week, a ritual that has developed this year and cemented the relationship between the two players at the heart of Aston Villa's renaissance.
Grealish, the local hero, and McGinn, the £2.5million bargain, have made it a regular fixture since March, and on Monday they will attempt the final step towards returning the club to the Premier League in the play-off final that can change careers, and the lives of clubs.
Family came first for McGinn on Thursday, as he sat glued to the TV to watch his older brothers Stephen and Paul play for St. Mirren in their Scottish Premiership play-off first leg against Dundee United, but it is his bromance with Grealish that has so far defined Villa's resurgence.
“During the unbeaten spell [Villa won a club record ten games in a row] we always went for food on a Thursday,” McGinn said. “We’ve got similar interests and we’re similar ages. A lot of the lads have got kids and their Thursday nights are taken up. But we go out and get some food and it just started being a wee superstition and it’s carried on.
“Jack is one of the best players I’ve played with. He’s comfortably the best in the league.
“He just glides with the ball, he’s comfortable with both feet and he gets kicked about all the time but I’ve got no doubt in my mind he will be an England player one day.
“Everyone gets the perception that he’s some sort of bad boy but he’s a hard worker and he’s been a great leader for us over the past months or ten weeks.”
The respect is mutual - in March when Villa's official Twitter account asked fans to sum up McGinn in one word, Grealish replied with 'Wonderful'.
Known as 'Ginny' around Villa's Bodymoor Heath training base, McGinn has also captured the imagination of supporters.
Signed from Hibernian by former manager Steve Bruce last August, he is a cult hero, a relentlessly energetic midfielder with a penchant for a spectacular goal – such as his stunning volley against Sheffield Wednesday in front of the Holte End. His goal against Wednesday at Hillsborough in April wasn’t too shabby, either.
Expect to hear multiple renditions of the “Walking with McGinn” chant at Wembley on Monday afternoon.
“I know I’m only 24 but when you’ve won things and been relegated you know what football is like,” he says. “If you get too high it comes back to bite you on the backside so I was always aware in spells before when I’ve done well in a season, eventually there was a wee dip. I feel this season I’ve managed to keep that consistency over long periods and I’m delighted with that.
“If you’ve not got the doubts to go and prove people wrong, that’s when you get into that comfort zone and stop progressing. You will always have people to prove wrong. I always have done and I always will. I use that to spur me on and stay hungry and that’s the big aim.”
By his own admission, McGinn’s first season in English football has proved a “rollercoaster”. He had the option of joining Celtic, then managed by Brendan Rodgers, but signed for Bruce who was then sacked two months later.
Inevitably there was some doubt over where he would fit into Dean Smith’s plans, but he was pulled aside weeks after his appointment and told: “I don’t think you realise how good you can be.”
McGinn has since emerged as a crucial weapon in Smith’s promotion mission, scoring six goals and contributing nine assists (and, ahem, 14 yellow cards). He was named as Villa’s Player's Player of the Year and Supporter's Player of the Year earlier this month and will be a big player for new Scotland manager Steve Clarke.
Yet when McGinn assesses the campaign with Villa, there is a clear sense of disappointment whatever the outcome of Monday’s final.
“The season has been a failure because with the size of this club, the target is to be in the top two. But we have given ourselves the chance through another avenue to achieve what we set out to do,” he says.
“We have managed to do it the hard way because were 13th or 14th at Christmas. The reason we are delighted to be in this final is because that is an achievement in itself. We rolled our sleeves up and went on an unbelievable run to get to the final.
“It doesn’t matter how we’ve done it. We are there.
“It is definitely the biggest game of my career. l have loved every minute of it so far and if we are a Premier League club at the end of it, it will top it off."
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This guy has been so brilliant for us this season and I really think he can be a top 4 player, hopefully with Villa and Jack
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[quote
Inevitably there was some doubt over where he would fit into Dean Smith’s plans, but he was pulled aside weeks after his appointment and told: “I don’t think you realise how good you can be"
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Great example of the positive approach Smith and his management team have bought to the club.
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He's been superb this season but I hope he gets more involved in the game tomorrow than he was in the Semi Finals. That may have been because he didn't want to get booked though.
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'Expect to hear multiple renditions of the “Walking with McGinn” chant at Wembley on Monday afternoon.'
Have I missed something? What's this? I've only heard the 'achy. breaky heart' chant for McGinn.
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Here you go mate...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmyHessel/status/1116103437622624256
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Bruce was right, after all! Smith's a bloody charlatan
We rolled our sleeves up and went on an unbelievable run to get to the final.
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Thanks!
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Bruce was right, after all! Smith's a bloody charlatan
We rolled our sleeves up and went on an unbelievable run to get to the final.
He's not the only one I know.
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Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
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Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
You certainly weren't wrong!
Thanks!
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Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
All the best for next season to you too Hibby. He really is a talent isn't he? I'd hate to have to play against him.
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Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
Cheers mate.
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Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
Thank you! Hibs are now officially my favourite team north of the border!
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The Accies are better.
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The Accies are better.
But did the Accies give us SJM?
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Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
Don't think many of us would have either mate! haha. Good luck next season and thanks very much for SJM
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And they call us deluded.
https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/wolves/what-wolves-fans-have-been-saying-about-aston-villas-john-mcginn-on-molineux-mix
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And they call us deluded.
https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/wolves/what-wolves-fans-have-been-saying-about-aston-villas-john-mcginn-on-molineux-mix
Wow, deluded fuckwits.....they really think they are going higher anytime soon?
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On the bench for Scotland...what
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I was thinking if Scotland are good enough to be able to leave McGinn then they must be like Brazil and would swat Belgium aside. What happened?
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He came off in the first game. Did he take a knock ?
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He was on the bench, so would think not.
With that said, I'm glad he got a rest.
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In fairness, he hasn't ever really shown the same sort of form he does for Scotland that he does for us. Hopefully he will improve now he is no longer managed by a dinosaur at international level.
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I'm in a pub in Edinburgh. Women's semi is on the telly. Five blokes next to us pipe up when I applaud our frankly superb third. Not Hibs, but Glasgow lads, out of towners, bit like meself. One was at Wembley in May, for one reason only. Paisley boy, they fookin luv 'im.
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Find yourself a woman who looks at you like McGinn looks at Jack.
You’ll die a happy man.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1144915289072644097?s=21
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Speculation Man Utd are after John.
£50m
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Alan Nixon in The Scottish Scum
MANCHESTER UNITED are set to launch a sensational bid for John McGinn that would smash the transfer record for a Scot.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer wants the midfielder to add the energy he says his side are missing.
But Villa claim it’ll take a monster £50MILLION fee to prise him away from the Midlands.
United have been making background checks on McGinn in the past few days ahead of submitting an opening offer.
The 24-year-old has made a dramatic impact at Villa since then joining for a bargain £2.75m from Hibs a year ago.
If Solskjaer can strike a deal, any potential fee would be sure to eclipse the previous record deal for a Scot, Oli Burke’s £15m move to RB Leipzig.
And Hibernian would also be quids in thanks to a sell-on clause included in last year’s deal.
Villa rate McGinn so highly they are already plotting to fend off United’s interest by offering a new long-term contract.
Players and fans voted him their Player of the Year — ahead of Holte End hero Jack Grealish — before the Scotland international scored in the play-off final win over Derby County that clinched the club’s return to the Premier League.
United, though, are clearly in the mood to spend big after shelling out a staggering £50m to secure Aaron Wan-Bissaka away from Crystal Palace.
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Bollocks to that. Fifty million's just bought them a full-back, if they want an entire engine room they'll have to quadruple it and throw in a few players. Alternatively they can fuck off.
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Just read the story in the The Sun
50 million for a player who has played in Scotland and the Championship is madness
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£50 million plus Tuzanabe plus Rashford wouldn't buy McGinn
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Last night, I placed two pub wagers. One, a tenner against someone that reckoned we'd go straight back down. The other, twenny 'oles, that we'd finish within 3 places of manu. I had to add in the stipulation that I wouldn't be forking out when we finish 4 places above them.
Ftf.
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Just read the story in the The Sun
50 million for a player who has played in Scotland and the Championship is madness
Agreed. They just paid that for a full back. At minimum £75m
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And so it starts.....******.
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SJM is ours and I would hope he wants to stay with this project
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You’d hope we’d get at least a season of him in the Premier League.
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They can do one. And another. And keep going until the end of time.
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Considering they’ve just paid this for a full back I’d suggest it needs to be £75mill plus Tuanzebe to make us think.
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Cue official site announcement Monday ‘McGinn signs new five year deal.’
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Considering they’ve just paid this for a full back I’d suggest it needs to be £75mill plus Tuanzebe to make us think.
And after thinking about it, still telling them to fuck off.
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Tuanzebe isn't good enough to get in to their side in the Premier Division, why do people think he'll be good enough to get into ours in the Premier Division? No thanks to Tuanzebe. Tell you what, we'll take David De Gea instead. That said, it's media shite and not happening.
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if they do actually bid £30>£50m and SJM wants to go sit on their bench rather than play, i’d take the deal.
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If we can get £50m for him though. He would want to go as well...
Although Solskjaer is completely out of his depth and will be gone within the first couple of months of the season, so a bit of upheaval to come. Having said that, he isn't playing for the manager that signed him for Villa either.
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Tuanzebe isn't good enough to get in to their side in the Premier Division, why do people think he'll be good enough to get into ours in the Premier Division? No thanks to Tuanzebe. Tell you what, we'll take David De Gea instead. That said, it's media shite and not happening.
Nixon has been right an awful lot lately. So there's every chance they are interested.
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Alan Nixon is generally pretty good, yeah. Story has legs I think.
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Tuanzebe isn't good enough to get in to their side in the Premier Division, why do people think he'll be good enough to get into ours in the Premier Division? No thanks to Tuanzebe. Tell you what, we'll take David De Gea instead. That said, it's media shite and not happening.
Nixon has been right an awful lot lately. So there's every chance they are interested.
He has also been wrong much more often. Let's see what happens but I suspect it's tripe.
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£50m is an incredible amount for someone with 1 season in the Championship.
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And so it starts.....c***s.
My thoughts, exactly.
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Yes but it’s not enough. £75 mill plus Tuanzebe. So basically we’d get Tuanzebe, Butland, Ming’s, Phillips for SJM with our war chest to replace McGinn still intact. I’d seriously consider that.
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Our owners will not sell him.
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£50m? It's all wooden dollars in today's inflated climate.
If we get anything like that amount, who are we going to replace McGinn with? It's not like you can go and build a Premier League squad with it. You'd be lucky to get a couple of decent players at around £20m each. We should fight tooth and nail to keep McGinn. In my book, he's even more valuable than Grealish.
That said, it's Man Utd and a worrying development.
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Dear Man Utd,
Get to fuck.
Best regards,
AVFC
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Yep. Just sell us Axel and then fuck off. The
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Yes but it’s not enough. £75 mill plus Tuanzebe. So basically we’d get Tuanzebe, Butland, Ming’s, Phillips for SJM with our war chest to replace McGinn still intact. I’d seriously consider that.
I’d hate to lose him. But if he goes , and he will get attention, then this would ease the horrific pain.
But I’d rather he stay, get us up the league , and go as a hero ( more than he is now )
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Probably his agent leaking stories to the press to inflate his salary during contract discussions
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It's great to have owners that act as big as the club is. The grealish situation last summer should ease any worries that we'll be bullied into selling.
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I think selling him would be a really stupid thing to do. Football isn't actually FIFA, you don't just replace one set of stats and attributes with similar ones and expect similar results - it takes time to build up understanding, teamwork, all that. We have enough of a team to replace already without gambling on replacing that.
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If manure do bid for him he's almost certainly gone. When they come in for our best players we all know how it ends...
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You never know. He seems to love us. And they aren't what they once were.
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I am always wrong, but Man Utd. won't sign McGinn, and they'd be fucking stupid if they did. It reminds me me of when Man Utd. used to sign players like Neil Webb and Jesper Olsen. Oh for fuck's sake.
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Our owners will tell them to do one! We can't afford to lose SJM.
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Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us. I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no.
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I thought this close season was going too well! That said, I’m not sure we’ll drop our trousers at the first bid we receive in early July. We’ll refuse this for sure then things could get interesting. Not that I want to sell him mind.
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Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us. I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no.
Exactly. Imagine if Spurs offer £85m for Jack at the same time. We have to draw a line, otherwise we'll be starting from scratch.
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Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us. I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no.
Exactly. Imagine if Spurs offer £85m for Jack at the same time. We have to draw a line, otherwise we'll be starting from scratch.
With the best will in the world, I don’t think we’ll be in a position to turn down £85m for one player. I know it’s hypothetical.
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Our owners turned dow £25m for Jack in the Championship. No way they'll let McGinn go for £50m in the Premier League. But, £75m plus Tuanzebe, who knows?
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Any sale price will depend on how badly Man U want him as we will know how badly we need him!
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£50 mil?!
Well that’s his left foot purchased. If we have any wish to be a top team, we keep our top players.
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Not going anywhere we need to get in the habit of ignoring most of this rubbish because the press will invent a byeline when they really have nothing.
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Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us. I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no.
Exactly. Imagine if Spurs offer £85m for Jack at the same time. We have to draw a line, otherwise we'll be starting from scratch.
With the best will in the world, I don’t think we’ll be in a position to turn down £85m for one player. I know it’s hypothetical.
If we can't now, we will never, ever be able to.
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SJM had the chance to sign for Celtic this time last year but chose us and second division football.
He simply loves us and I would be very surprised and gutted if this were to happen no matter how much those bastards offer for him.
Who would want to join them at the moment anyway, they are a shambles.
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I don’t want him to go of course, but it’s a nice demonstration of how ‘develop and sell’ would work for us. It’s how Spuds got to the position they are today.
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If manu were in the champions league with a settled manager i’d be more worried.
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Doesn’t the rag that started this ‘story’ realise that we are owned by people who are richer than UTDs owners?
If we were able to keep hold of Jack last summer, despite being in the Championship, then I have no doubt the club will laugh off this latest piece of bullshit.
Cue SJM signing a lovely new contract next week though, and deservedly so.
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I don’t want him to go of course, but it’s a nice demonstration of how ‘develop and sell’ would work for us. It’s how Spuds got to the position they are today.
Know what you mean, but would Spurs have had the same trajectory had they sold Bale after one season? There has to be some balance to the approach you talk about and if we're to stay in the league (hopefully comfortably), selling McGinn would be massively risky.
Anyway, hopefully it's just the familiar agent-planting-story-to-get-player-better-money scenario.
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If manu were in the champions league with a settled manager i’d be more worried.
This, all day long. OGS will most likely be binned by Christmas. They can't get a tune out of many of their players and finished 6th in a four horse race! SJM beware, this is not the United that once was.
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Man Utd aren't going to shell £50m on a player that's had 1 very good season in the Championship any more than Tottenham were going to shell £40m on a player that had one great half season in the Championship and a handful of half decent games in the PL previously.
Those two are the best players we have in our squad currently and we need to keep them ideally but i'd say these owners are proper businessmen and they'll sell if it would be crazy not too from a business sense.
So once again, like last summer, the 'top 6' won't offer the kind of money that would tempt them in my opinion.
Honestly, i love McGinn, one of the best (and my personal favourites) we've had since MON left but £50m would be good business sense at this point. If he has as good a season as we think he will this season for us it would probably be less of a good deal for us after that, but at this point as much as i rate him, he's not the caliber of player Man Utd need to push them from 5-6th in the PL to 1-2nd. The players they've been signing so far this summer are not dissimilar in quality mind.
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I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.
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Not surprised at all that he is in transfer news. We will be mad to let him go now as I reckon he will be a big factor in us having a decent season in EPL and it will have a negative effect on Jack and the rest of the squad. It will also hinder our ability to secure good players we have targeted.
Having said that in a world where Griezmann is valued at £100M 50M is a lot yes a lot of money for someone like John. So if they come and John wants to go let’s squeeze as much as we can. They can also pay the Hibs sell on share.
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It’s Alan Nixon.
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I think the point is Risso, neither us or Man Utd know how good he is really as he's never played a game in the PL to be fully tested. In which case, £50m sounds like a ridiculous gamble, which i reckon is a bolllox story but i suppose you never fail to be suprised with modern football. It also depends from our point of view how much of a problem it is from FFP and our own resources to be paying £11m for Target, £22m for Wesley, £14m or whatever for Mings, £22m for Butland and £25m or so for Phillips. If we don't really need the money (as i suspect we don't) that's one consideration, but as i stated earlier, whichever way you look at it £50m whould make good business sense for us regardless.
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McGinn is important to the way we play. I like him a lot and think if we added Phillips, sides would be run off the park with them pair.
But £50m is just crazy money and if they're actually willing to pay it, then you could buy a £30m replacement and have money left over to over pay to get Phillips, without disrupting the budget.
But the fee quoted in the article is the price tag we want not what they're willing to pay. I can't imagine they'd want to pay anything like that. They're a huge club and a huge lure...but no Champions League football, so not quite the opportunity of a lifetime.
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I think the point is Risso, neither us or Man Utd know how good he is really as he's never played a game in the PL to be fully tested. In which case, £50m sounds like a ridiculous gamble, which i reckon is a bolllox story but i suppose you never fail to be suprised with modern football. It also depends from our point of view how much of a problem it is from FFP and our own resources to be paying £11m for Target, £22m for Wesley, £14m or whatever for Mings, £22m for Butland and £25m or so for Phillips. If we don't really need the money (as i suspect we don't) that's one consideration, but as i stated earlier, whichever way you look at it £50m whould make good business sense for us regardless.
Perfect blueprint for having plenty of money in the bank and getting relegated.
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I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.
It's difficult and that is a good argument. However, we should know by experience that selling our best players weakens the team significantly as we replace them for poorer versions (N'Zogbia for Young, Ayew/Gestede for Bentetke.
SJM improved as the season played out. Who knows how much more he can improve, playing with and against better players?
For me, in the hypothetical scenario that £50 mil was on the table, I would turn it down. We already have the money for Phillips and another midfielder and I'm not convinced that Tuanzebe would hit the ground running in the PL.
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Why would John McGinn go to a midtable club on a downward spiral with a shit manager and owners ?
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Thinking a out it, why would we want less for him tha Wan-Bissaka went for?
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From an objective point of view there’s no way McGinn is worth £50m.
But we already have far too much to do in this window. We need some continuity from last season and he is a key player for us. Retaining PL status is just too important so I’d say right now we just can’t afford to let him go at any price. Hopefully the owners will nip this in the bud with an unequivocal ‘hands off’
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Thinking a out it, why would we want less for him tha Wan-Bissaka went for?
Man Utd have set their own bar on signings now. If they’ll spend £50 mill on a young full back it’s atleast £75 mill for a midfielder like SJM. We don’t need or want to sell so it needs to be an unbelievable deal for us to consider it.
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"McGinn is ours
McGinn is ours
Fcuk off Newton Heath
McGinn is ours!"
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Even if there is any truth in it, he won't go anywhere, not yet anyway.
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What would it cost to replace McGinn & get the level of performance he's going to deliver for us in the Premiership? McGinn will only get better, tell them to get lost.
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A Champions League club would have me more worried.
Still, they are Man United and they do pay ridiculous wages. But they're also an utter shambles, without an identity, full of over paid sulks like Pogba and Sanchez, who will be sacking another manager come December.
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Did Hibs have the foresight to insert an sell-on clause?
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Yes.
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I'd worry about going into a season in the Premier League without last season's best defender, best striker and second-best (by a whisker) midfielder.
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Yes.
What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
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I'd worry about going into a season in the Premier League without last season's best defender, best striker and second-best (by a whisker) midfielder.
Well Abraham wont come back but he's been replaced, Mings could still come and Mcginn has not gone anywhere so I'd not worry too much.
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I'd worry about going into a season in the Premier League without last season's best defender, best striker and second-best (by a whisker) midfielder.
Well Abraham wont come back but he's been replaced, Mings could still come and Mcginn has not gone anywhere so I'd not worry too much.
You're quite right but until we do sign Mings and Man Utd go fuck themselves it'll be a nagging worry.
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I doubt there is a maximum amount. 15% according to a Hibs forum but they seem to be speculating wildly.
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I doubt there is much to this story, but if there is then c’est la vie. Players come and players go. ‘Twas ever thus.
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I think the point is Risso, neither us or Man Utd know how good he is really as he's never played a game in the PL to be fully tested. In which case, £50m sounds like a ridiculous gamble, which i reckon is a bolllox story but i suppose you never fail to be suprised with modern football. It also depends from our point of view how much of a problem it is from FFP and our own resources to be paying £11m for Target, £22m for Wesley, £14m or whatever for Mings, £22m for Butland and £25m or so for Phillips. If we don't really need the money (as i suspect we don't) that's one consideration, but as i stated earlier, whichever way you look at it £50m whould make good business sense for us regardless.
Perfect blueprint for having plenty of money in the bank and getting relegated.
What is? Spending nearly £100m on 5 players and resisting offers for McGinn that are well short of £50m. I would have said that's a blue print for splashing a fortune and establishing ourselves back in the Premier League, not quite sure what you're expecting?
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Yes.
What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.
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Did Hibs have the foresight to insert an sell-on clause?
Yes.
We expect our Scottish friends to be frugal and fiducial in such matters.
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I doubt there is a maximum amount. 15% according to a Hibs forum but they seem to be speculating wildly.
Cheers.
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Money isnt the issue, getting someone as good as SJM is if we sold him.
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Yes.
What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.
So you'd sell one of our best players just because a big team supposedly put in a bid so we can 'move on'?
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£50 million is what we want, according to the article. Any less does us no favours as it just means Bournemouth, Bristol, Leeds, etc will all bump up their prices for players we are after.
If he has to go I'd rather they make up the deal with players so throw in Tuanzebe, Sanchez and Martial plus cash and I'd think about it.
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I personally think it's a load of made up bollocks. Didn't he have a twitter spat with The Sun prior to this 'story' coming out?
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Paying Martial and Sanchez's big fat wage bill will soon get rid os that £50M.
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Paying Martial and Sanchez's big fat wage bill will soon get rid os that £50M.
They’ll both be prepared to take a pay cut to join a more prestigious club.
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It’s funny how this gets mentioned the moment talks about a new contract start. I wouldn’t rule out an agent leak to push for a better deal. He will sign a new deal and stay for a couple of years.
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IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off. It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy, See Dwight Yorke. It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves. Sadly, it was ever so.
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IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off. It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy, See Dwight Yorke. It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves. Sadly, it was ever so.
Surely we put down a marker last year when we said Jack was not for sale, why would it be any different now with SJM?
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How many players have we been linked with so far? How many have we signed? The Sun, of all things, runs one word about a player leaving and suddenly it's taken seriously.
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IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off. It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy, See Dwight Yorke. It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves. Sadly, it was ever so.
What like us with a Leeds and Bristol you mean?
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IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off. It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy, See Dwight Yorke. It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves. Sadly, it was ever so.
Isn't that the way football works e.g. we seem to be cherry picking better players from championship clubs going by the links.
Anyway he needs to stay here so I'd just dismiss it as paper talk. One of our crown jewels like Jack that isn't simply for sale at any price imo.
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Given the way our owners handled the Grealish situation and given McGinn’s attitude, I’m not worried at all. It would take an utterly ludicrous offer for us to even consider selling.
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I would rather still be in the championship then sell McGinn, that's how much i like him.
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£50 million? Does that mean after a year in the premier league we'd be wanting something like £80 million?
Probably smarter to hold onto him in that case.
Makes me wonder what someone like Ward Prowse must cost.
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I would rather still be in the championship then sell McGinn, that's how much i like him.
McGinn wouldn't be here if we were still in yhe Championship
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The report is that we would (or have) slapped a £50m price tag on McGinn and Man Utd 'could' open with £20m in which case they can go fuck themselves.
I think like most 'stories' you read around this time it's a load of bollocks anyway.
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Man U after a midfielder from Newcastle as well, apparently - Longstaff.
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Yes.
What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.
So you'd sell one of our best players just because a big team supposedly put in a bid so we can 'move on'?
I’d rather we didn’t sell him, but I’d hope we’d ‘move on’ if we did.
Or we could sit and mope about it, is that what you expect us to do? I’d hope we’d signed his replacement and have this eventuality pre planned.
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What I expect us to do is NOT sell one of our best players.
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Probably a few grains of truth in the story. Every player in the world has a sell price tag on them. 50 million seems about right for McGinn. Of course I want to keep him though.
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We're not owned by Doug Ellis or a fatigued Randy Lerner any more. If the present day Villa hierarchy don't want to sell a player, they won't sell a player. If there is even a grain of truth to this story man utd will quickly get the same message as spurs did about Grealish last year.
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Yes.
What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.
So you'd sell one of our best players just because a big team supposedly put in a bid so we can 'move on'?
I’d rather we didn’t sell him, but I’d hope we’d ‘move on’ if we did.
Or we could sit and mope about it, is that what you expect us to do? I’d hope we’d signed his replacement and have this eventuality pre planned.
But you are talking as if it's already done and not just a few hours old paper rumour.
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Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.
Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.
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John McGinn is a brilliant, brilliant player for us - and almost certainly essential if we're to consolidate as a premier league force this coming season.
BUT - do you really think ManU would spend £50m on him to add to a midfield that includes Pogba, Mata, Herrera, Lindgard, and Matic and think McGinn in the one who helps them go from outside the champions league places to title contenders? I don't.
Next summer, after he's spent a year showing everyone what he can do in the top flight, maybe - but for a team hoping to make up a thirty point gap on the champions, I just don't see it.
Can you imagine the fan reaction if they spent £50m on a player who spent last season in the championship for a team that didn't even go up automatically? It just doesn't pass the smell test. At all.
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I'm not really surprised at this story, he's a very good player indeed, highly unlikely we'd sell him though. He's also very close to grealish, so I think selling him would have a knock on effect on Jack.
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Herrera isn’t there any longer, he left on a free,so they have a space in the middle.
They have paid £50m for Wan Bissaka so it’s not beyond the realms of possibility they could pay the same for SGM
Just hope we tell them where to go if they do come calling, the thing is a club like United May only call once and players get their heads turned by such offers.
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John McGinn is a brilliant, brilliant player for us - and almost certainly essential if we're to consolidate as a premier league force this coming season.
BUT - do you really think ManU would spend £50m on him to add to a midfield that includes Pogba, Mata, Herrera, Lindgard, and Matic and think McGinn in the one who helps them go from outside the champions league places to title contenders? I don't.
Next summer, after he's spent a year showing everyone what he can do in the top flight, maybe - but for a team hoping to make up a thirty point gap on the champions, I just don't see it.
Can you imagine the fan reaction if they spent £50m on a player who spent last season in the championship for a team that didn't even go up automatically? It just doesn't pass the smell test. At all.
Pogba wants to leave, Herrera already has (PSG), Matic looked past it in run in last season although still there, Mata and Lingard more number 10 players . Certainly an area where they could sign 1-2 players.
Man. United policy now seems to be going after under 25 players given the two they've signed already, that said I've read they're more interested in Longstaff from Newcastle.
Edit: They signed Fred for 50m last summer but he looked ill suited to premier league. Still there for now.
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I think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.
What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.
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I just think it would be a lose-lose(-lose). SJM is so great but I'm not convinced that he's ready to be the kind of player that United expect for £50m, even these days, and he'd be going into a situation highly unlikely to help him settle in and succeed in any long term sense. United are a shambles, Solskjaer doomed to failure and I could well imagine players like SJM and Wan Bissaka being made scapegoats (partly based on their fees) after United inevitably fail to get back into the Champions League again. Meanwhile, we get a bunch of money but we already have too many to replace, we can't replace both his quality and his understanding with Jack just overnight. It could well end up a legendary bad transfer for all concerned.
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I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.
I agree.
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If we sign a good DM (not convicned at premier league level Phillips would be) then him, Grealish and McGinn is mid table level standard premier league midfield.
It's the area where we would have least amount of work to do in building the club up.
If we sell McGinn we also have to replace him while also find two good centre halfs, another decent wide player and prolific striker.
At this stage of building the club up I just don't feel it would be smart move to cash in. It would be similar to Wolves selling Ruben Neves last summer when his stock was high.
They kept him, signed 2-3 other quality players around him and he more than played his part in them finishing 7th.
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I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.
I agree.
I don't. We have loads of money, just go and improve the squad without selling any of our star players.
In any case, they haven't offered £50 million, the article suggests that's what we want, not what they want to pay. They would likely offer roughly the same amount that Leeds want for Phillips.
It would be a completely pointless deal.
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I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.
Phillips and Tuanzebe would be the best part of £30m, taking into account the Leeds valuation for Phillips.
Who would you get that is better than McGinn for the remaining money?
I agree.
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Yeah, Wolves players like Neves, Jota and the manager seem to slip under the radar. Having said that, I think SJM is better than Neves!
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Yeah, Wolves players like Neves, Jota and the manager seem to slip under the radar. Having said that, I think SJM is better than Neves!
No comparison as they are totally different players.
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Yeah, Wolves players like Neves, Jota and the manager seem to slip under the radar. Having said that, I think SJM is better than Neves!
Neves was being linked to Man. City last season although seems to have gone quiet there so hopefully little in this McGinn link aswell. Seems Wolves put 100m price tag and Pep was no longer interested.
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If this wasn’t bad enough now word coming out that Grealish is being targeted by PSG if they sell Neymar.
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It gets worse, word is Barcelona are after Taylor.
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If Man U really put a 50m bid in i don't think we could turn it down to be honest. I mean, technically we could but is McGinn worth 50m?
Plus he might actually want to go if they did of course.
35m and Tuanzebe ?
Obviously the ideal scenario would be to say fuck off and still sign Tuanzebe from them
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That’s nothing. Nixon is now suggesting, and it’s a little alarming that Barca are considered Coutinho in a swap deal for Tshibola. Villa are apparently “bracing themselves”.
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Not sure why he'd want to leave a successful team and a club on the up for a club in chaos?
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I think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.
What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.
Mata signed a new contract
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If was Man City calling, I might be worried but Man United? Nah.
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I think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.
What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.
Mata signed a new contract
He did. Their “fans” were livid
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Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.
Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.
If a big enough/stupid offer went in for any player they would consider it. I think it's bullshit about wee John but £50m I'd sell at that price.
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I think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.
What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.
Mata signed a new contract
He did. Their “fans” were livid
Wow.
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Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.
Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.
Tottenham will improve their previos offer from last season to £27.50 Million any day now.
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Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.
Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.
Tottenham will improve their previos offer from last season to £27.50 Million any day now.
We wont go a penny over a fiver but will lob in a goldfish and balloon.
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Not sure why he'd want to leave a successful team and a club on the up for a club in chaos?
Indeed. If he's going to step up to the Premier League I find it difficult to think of a better option to make that step with than Villa.
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£50m is bugger all these days. Gets you 2 x Championship defenders. McGinn is worth more than 2 x Championship defenders.
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There are so few examples of big money fees being deployed well by the selling club.
It feels to me like managers and clubs are wise to this.
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I'm fine with the idea of selling players for top money in general, I think that a big part of the reason why money is such a fucking mess in English football is that too many clubs have forgotten this, but this summer letting Grealish or McGinn leave would be a massive mistake. Staying in the league is the number one priority this season and the best way to do that is to keep the best players from last season where we can, That means, in priority order, Jack, Mings, McGinn and El Ghazi. We should be building the 11 around those guys and then using starters and fringe players from last season (Elmo, Taylor, Steer, Hourihane, Hause, Chester, Kodjia, Green) as much as possible on the bench, etc. It sees a dramatic improvement in the team but minimises the the overall squad changes which helps keep the winning culture we formed in place.
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Think in England at least, the transfer fees are so mental because TV money means no club is under any real financial pressure to sell.
It's why Palace can ask £50 million for Wan Bissaka, Leicester can ask £70 million for Maguire and just shrug if the interested clubs back off.
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Think in England at least, the transfer fees are so mental because TV money means no club is under any real financial pressure to sell.
It's why Palace can ask £50 million for Wan Bissaka, Leicester can ask £70 million for Maguire and just shrug if the interested clubs back off.
But how does that apply to Bristol and Leeds wanting £20m+ for Webster and Phillips? Or Justin going for £8m. Those fees are inflated partly because there's loads of money around but also because so many clubs would rather bring players through after they have experience of first team football elsewhere.
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Think in England at least, the transfer fees are so mental because TV money means no club is under any real financial pressure to sell.
It's why Palace can ask £50 million for Wan Bissaka, Leicester can ask £70 million for Maguire and just shrug if the interested clubs back off.
But how does that apply to Bristol and Leeds wanting £20m+ for Webster and Phillips? Or Justin going for £8m. Those fees are inflated partly because there's loads of money around but also because so many clubs would rather bring players through after they have experience of first team football elsewhere.
The huge money available to Premiership clubs can be both a benefit and a curse. Clubs will quote higher prices because they know you have the money hence the inflation which filters down the leagues. Can't blame them really, I would.
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The professional, head side of me thinks that if £50million was offered for each of Grealish or McGinn then the club should rip their hands off
The heart, emotional side of me thinks that these 2 represent the ethos and the whole spirit and heartbeat of our club so it could not be replaced.
And if I were to sell it would not be to that Red filth from Manchester
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The professional, head side of me thinks that if £50million was offered for each of Grealish or McGinn then the club should rip their hands off
The heart, emotional side of me thinks that these 2 represent the ethos and the whole spirit and heartbeat of our club so it could not be replaced.
And if I were to sell it would not be to that Red filth from Manchester
I think our survival this year depends upon keeping the heartbeat of the club, which is McGinn/Grealish. We couldn't just replace them like for like, and even if we could, the soul would have been ripped out of the squad.
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When people are paying 50 million for a rookie full back, you wonder how we could replace Jack for a similar fee.
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I agree. I think it's a situation where what they are worth to us right now probably far exceeds any objective market value. Once we are safely consolidated in the league then wheeling and dealing has less risk.
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When people are paying 50 million for a rookie full back, you wonder how we could replace Jack for a similar fee.
Man Utd appear to have shot themselves in the foot with that £50m signing...Leicester are already (and quite rightly) using it as a milestone and comparison for Man Utd’s pursuit of McGuire stating that £75m isn’t enough for an experienced international CB.
For me, £50-60m would be very tempting for SJM but he is worth more to us than his market value. If there were many affordable replacements available then Man Utd would be chasing those. We need to strengthen our team not weaken it by letting our best players go.
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The professional, head side of me thinks that if £50million was offered for each of Grealish or McGinn then the club should rip their hands off
The heart, emotional side of me thinks that these 2 represent the ethos and the whole spirit and heartbeat of our club so it could not be replaced.
And if I were to sell it would not be to that Red filth from Manchester
I think our survival this year depends upon keeping the heartbeat of the club, which is McGinn/Grealish. We couldn't just replace them like for like, and even if we could, the soul would have been ripped out of the squad.
The logical side of me says that if we sold Grealish and Mcginn for whatever price we'd be heading straight back down to the Championship. You don't just replace players like that with ease. O maybe Jordan Vertout is available again?
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Not sure when this is from but must be recent looking at the Kappa badges on the training kit Jack and John. Brilliant
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1149814288820908034?s=12
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Having fun. Good, team bonding and togetherness gonna be so important this season.
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To be handed a bumper contract according to papers.
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Good stuff.
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To be handed a bumper contract according to papers.
Well deserved
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In the worst financial situation in our history we told Tottenham to fcuk off about signing Grealish. No way on earth are we letting who the fcuk are man united sign the best player we’ve had for the last 8 seasons.
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Whilst really important to strengthen the side, also equally important to retain and reward those who got us here! A la Hourihane! Bumper 5 year contract for SJM please. I am so looking forward to seeing SJM, Jack and Douglas in the centre of the park.
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I agree let's tie SJM down to a new long term contract it makes sense.
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I know there’s a lot of contract work going on but this was talked about a long time ago (approaching 8 weeks from Wembley). Needs urgently sorting
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I know there’s a lot of contract work going on but this was talked about a long time ago (approaching 8 weeks from Wembley). Needs urgently sorting
Not really. He's only a year into his present one.
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Where is John going to play? I am getting worried for him.
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Where is John going to play? I am getting worried for him.
Why? We can’t just rely on him and he needs competition too. I want us to play different styles and there will be times when he doesn’t start he will be massively effective coming of the bench late in games. I still remember the first time I saw Ronaldo on the bench for Man U. A bloke who’s scored 50 or so in a season being rotated. If it’s good enough for the biggest clubs out there to rotate their star players then we absolutely need to have the squad depth to do the same. For years our bench has been a huge drop off in quality to our first team. It won’t be anymore.
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John will start our season in midfield with Jack.
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Where is John going to play? I am getting worried for him.
Start of season....... Conor, John, Jack
By mid Sep....... Doug, John, Jack
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Absolutely. SJM has to up and maintain his level of involvement and energy to be a starter. That's the way it has to be. Hourihane and Green will be the peripheral players in the squad.
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We also know too well that sjm tends to fracture the odd rule here and there that ultimately leads to suspensions. This could be quite a problem for him in the PL and it will be interesting to see how he gets on.
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Where is John going to play? I am getting worried for him.
Start of season....... Conor, John, Jack
By mid Sep....... Doug, John, Jack
Please God, not Conor at Spurs.
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I want his children. Even though I’m 49.
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I want to ruffle his hair and say keep it up mate, really good goal today.
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He's realising that he's got to up his game to stay in the side. Which is as it should be.
Can only be good for the team.
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I love that McGinn and Jota cost us £4.5m and they look as if they are worth £45m.
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That’s a really good point. I was listening to some Fcukin idiots the other day. Allardyce might have been one saying you are better off buying three quality players for the amount we have spent. No Sam we have actually gone out and researched. Not signed Fcukin Jerkoff at the end of his career on a massive payday. Even though he did okay for them.
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Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Loved Dessie Bremner. He ran all day, simply did not stop.
If McGinn is as good a player and is as committed as he was, we will be very lucky and I will be very happy. The perfect foil for Sid, Dennis Mortimer, and Tony Morley.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/niDXLe/Des_Bremner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/niDXLe)
What do you reckon?
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I hope that we remember SJM in years to come, the way we remember Des Bremner.
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I hope that we remember SJM in years to come, the way we remember Des Bremner.
Yeh did that a while ago .... there was talk since Wembley that he would be tied down to an improved contract . Unusually that’s all gone very quiet
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I hope that we remember SJM in years to come, the way we remember Des Bremner.
Yeh did that a while ago .... there was talk since Wembley that he would be tied down to an improved contract . Unusually that’s all gone very quiet
True, but hoes does still have another three years left I guess. The club won't sell unless they really have to and I don't think even Man United can afford SJM.
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Fergie allegedly wants United to sign him.
I can’t see it ( hopefully)
(https://i.ibb.co/WDR8F3f/1-BEDBD76-533-A-4508-9-CE8-E8-E9975-A7608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WDR8F3f)
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Just shows that he has not lost any of his fucking arrogance.
Twat.
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Who do they think they are? 😂
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Fergie allegedly wants United to sign him.
I can’t see it ( hopefully)
(https://i.ibb.co/WDR8F3f/1-BEDBD76-533-A-4508-9-CE8-E8-E9975-A7608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WDR8F3f)
Yes, the twat in the Scum says Ferguson wants him. I think that, if this if true, then Ferguson will have to go on wanting! We’re not quite in the position we were just over a year ago.
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Fergie allegedly wants United to sign him.
I can’t see it ( hopefully)
(https://i.ibb.co/WDR8F3f/1-BEDBD76-533-A-4508-9-CE8-E8-E9975-A7608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WDR8F3f)
Yes, the twat in the Scum says Ferguson wants him. I think that, if this if true, then Ferguson will have to go on wanting! We’re not quite in the position we were just over a year ago.
And neither are they.
They are a shambles of a club right now.
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"Sir Alex Ferguson tells Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to sign Aston Villa star John McGinn" hopefully the headline tomorrow is "OGS tells Ferguson to fuck off and reminds him that he is no longer a manager, so fuck off again, twat."
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It was cobblers a month ago, A £50 million bid was imminent wasn't it? And it's bunkum now.
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If Fergie thinks that highly of him maybe he can write a nice letter to these owners. See how far he gets.
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It was cobblers a month ago, A £50 million bid was imminent wasn't it? And it's bunkum now.
£50m ? That's a joke considering Palace want upwards of £70m for the bang average Wilfred Zaha. We need to show intent and get SJM on a longer lucrative contract sharpish.
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And if that isn't being mooted amongst the Villa hierarchy...
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And if that isn't being mooted amongst the Villa hierarchy...
If he's worth that now, think what he'll be worth in a years time.
That only questiion, would be mad to sell him now not just from a team point of view.
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There is not a chance in hell we will sell him. It’s not just about market value or a number. John McGinn is the embodiment of all that is great about us right now. He is as much the heart and soul of the team as Jack is. Or Tyrone. He is what we have come to love about this team. He represents intangibles that simply cannot he measured or written on a piece of paper or as a figure next to a pound sign on a cheque. He might not be the best midfielder in the world. Heck he might not be the best midfielder we have at the club. But on and off the pitch he is everything we want in a man Aston Villa player. And I’m sure Dean Smith, Purslow and our owners know that.
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Seconded and well said
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Thirded (if that is a word) :)
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There is not a chance in hell we will sell him. It’s not just about market value or a number. John McGinn is the embodiment of all that is great about us right now. He is as much the heart and soul of the team as Jack is. Or Tyrone. He is what we have come to love about this team. He represents intangibles that simply cannot he measured or written on a piece of paper or as a figure next to a pound sign on a cheque. He might not be the best midfielder in the world. Heck he might not be the best midfielder we have at the club. But on and off the pitch he is everything we want in a man Aston Villa player. And I’m sure Dean Smith, Purslow and our owners know that.
Superbly put.
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I can’t see him going anywhere yet, the clubs higher up the food chain will be reluctant to pay what we’d want for him, and it would certainly be higher than the fees quoted here, before he’s proved without doubt that he can do it in the PL.
He’s a massive talent when we have the ball and has great energy for when we press, be interesting to see how his positional play without possession develops.
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no point talking about how good McGinn is as he’s going to Man Utd £50m
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Twitter
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Out of curiosity, just had a peep at the Man Utd message board (redcafe) and the consensus seems to be 'give McGinn one year with Villa in the EPL to see how he does before contemplating 50 million quid'.
In the main they were very complimentary towards him and Jack but acknowledge that Villa are no longer a feeder club and do not need to sell.
Our improved status is not going unnoticed!! Long may it continue.
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I do believe Man Utd can fuck right off. We've built a team around players like McGinn.
So do one you has beens.
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Snigger....
https://mobile.twitter.com/mrjimmyhessel/status/1155407027604262912
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Once he's proven he can do it in the PL, it will push the price up to silly money with an extra zero on the price. Be great to offer him a new contract but given he has another three years to run, the club hold the cards on this one. Every player has a price but I don't see them offering enough to tempt us. I also agree with other than OGS will be out by the end of the season.
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For such a successful club Yanoited is just in constant panic mode. We don’t need 50m right now and it would take months worth of scouting to replace the value McGinn brings to the team. We’ve abandoned the concept of leaving important business late and can’t see this happening. I do love laughing at Woodward though.
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Out of curiosity, just had a peep at the Man Utd message board (redcafe) and the consensus seems to be 'give McGinn one year with Villa in the EPL to see how he does before contemplating 50 million quid'.
Once McGinn shows the uneducated Premier League watchers just how good he really is, £50m will be nowhere near enough in our crazy transfer market.
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We will be walking all over Europe with McGinn next season don't worry
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Anyone got subscription to paste the full text?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/john-mcginn-trains-like-a-demon-he-reminds-me-of-wayne-rooney-zxn6vwdkm
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Firstly, John McGinn launched the press to force a mistake from a panicked rival before pouncing on the error to dart forward with the ball at his feet. There was a scything challenge from a defender, desperately seeking to avert danger, to vault over, before bursting into the penalty area where he showcased some fancy footwork to flummox an embarrassed goalkeeper.
A close-range finish into a gaping net brought an end to eight seconds of mayhem for Aston Villa in a 4-1 victory over Charlton Athletic in their penultimate pre-season fixture and served to whet the appetite for what might follow.
“What happened at the weekend will happen many more times in the Premier League,” says Andy Holden, a former Everton coach. “That goal is John in a nutshell. Not many midfielders do what he does.”
Holden speaks from experience having worked with McGinn at Hibernian while a member of Alan Stubbs’s coaching staff and has championed the 24-year-old long before Villa’s return to the top flight was confirmed in May. Typically, it was McGinn who scored the decisive goal at Wembley in a 2-1 victory over Derby County.
A year ago, the Scotland international was preparing to move from Hibernian to the Championship for what has proved, in this money-flushed era, a bargain £3 million fee, and another step up in a career set on fast-forward.
McGinn can already count on the adoration of the Holte End, but boasts the potential to earn himself an army of new admirers next season as his all-action style and penchant for the spectacular gains wider attention. For rivals he is not so much one to watch, as one to stifle.
“He is a throwback,” says Holden, who also spent more than a decade as a coach at Everton before two seasons in Edinburgh as McGinn helped Hibernian win the Scottish Cup for the first time in more than a century in 2016.
“At Hibs, he would be the first one out to train and he’d ask, ‘What was Wayne Rooney like?’
“I’d say, ‘Just like you, son.’ Wayne would be the first out with a bag of balls on his back and last in carrying a bag of balls as well.
“They are different players, and you can’t compare what they have done, but in terms of loving football and having drive and focus they are very similar.
“John trains like a demon, cares massively about what he does and he is a gem of a kid. In the dressing room, he will say something to gee-up his team-mates but what sets him apart is that he also has the ability to do things in a game that lead the way as well.
“I’m sure a lot of people will see that over the coming months.”
The education McGinn received in his homeland with St Mirren and then Hibs ensured he arrived at Villa with almost 200 appearances in senior football under his belt by the age of 23.
If Steve Bruce did little to endear himself to the Villa fans during his tenure, then he can, at least, point to one of his last acts being to recruit the high-octane midfielder who will look to continue offering both industry and inspiration.
Having also signed Andrew Robertson during his time in charge at Hull City, Bruce seems decidedly less sniffy about recruiting from Scotland than those who prefer to wait to see how exports fare south of the border.
Like Robertson and Virgil van Dijk, McGinn is also attracting interest from the established elite.
Manchester United have watched McGinn — Sir Alex Ferguson knows his grandfather, Jack, a former chairman of Celtic — but the likelihood remains that he signs a new long-term contract at Villa Park.
If the new season goes as predicted for McGinn then Villa’s foresight will be rewarded.
“He won’t have any fears about the Premier League. He will actually get more time to play, more time to get on the ball and influence matches; name the midfielders who do what he does.
“People thought of him as a battering ram, but he’s much more than that. He’ll drive past you and if he sends a shot 30 yards over the crossbar, it won’t bother him because he will back himself to put it in the top corner next time.
“We worked on his distances at Hibs because sometimes he would come too deep and get the ball off the centre halves and play the pass they could have played,” continued Holden.
“But he quickly learnt and if I shouted ‘McGinn’ he would just raise his hand in acknowledgement and move forward to where he could influence the game better.
“He’s at a massive club at Villa, but there’ll be plenty of clubs doing homework on John this season. He’s a special kid and a special player.”
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Thank you for posting that, Kieron. A great read.
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Thanks Kieron.
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I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feeling
The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.
I really do think he will surprise a few this year
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I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feeling
The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.
I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
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“People thought of him as a battering ram, but he’s much more than that. He’ll drive past you and if he sends a shot 30 yards over the crossbar, it won’t bother him because he will back himself to put it in the top corner next time.
This. A million times over.
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Saw on The Villa View podcast that John McGinn has a face that makes Dan laugh. I have to agree. He has a cheeky little face that brightens up my day.
Can't wait to see him work his magic in the PL.
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I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feeling
The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.
I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
I completely agree with this, I think that's exactly how we'll play and it wouldn't surprise me if one of the wide players ends up being our top scorer this year.
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From a Spuds forum :
Worrying about John McGinn, I've seen it all now.
Maybe someone could put this up by his peg in the changing room....
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From a Spuds forum :
Worrying about John McGinn, I've seen it all now.
Maybe someone could put this up by his peg in the changing room....
If we win and McGinn scores in the game, this is my new sig.
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I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feeling
The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.
I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
That's pretty much how I've seen it. To me, Big Wes has been brought in not because he'll score 20 goals a season, but that he'll score 10 and set up another 20 or so. Can see us having half a dozen players on, or close to, the 10 goal mark.
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I've yet to see a team that can shut down both Jack and John. Focus on one and the other will punish you. Quite happy that SJM has been scoring the goals, it will give Jack a bit more freedom. It's up to him to take advantage of the space.
On a side note, if Jack had scored the same goals as John, the Villa internet and beyond would be in meltdown. Quality wise, you can't separate them with a cigarette paper. Jack may take the headlines but together they're unstoppable. Completely different players but both adding that magic. Second half on Saturday I wondered if Jack had been subbed at half time. Then I saw SJM. We are seriously blessed.
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Jack and John go together like curry and rice.
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Jack and John go together like curry and rice.
I think you mean naan.
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I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feeling
The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.
I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
That's pretty much how I've seen it. To me, Big Wes has been brought in not because he'll score 20 goals a season, but that he'll score 10 and set up another 20 or so. Can see us having half a dozen players on, or close to, the 10 goal mark.
It seemed to be the case at Brentford, too. They always used to have so many different goalscorers.
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If you really only have a single goal threat then if a team stops him then they don't score. We have goals all over the team, especially from midfield, out wide and a serious threat from dead balls with our CD's and Conor.
Will be difficult for opposition to know who to try and nullify.
The most important thing of all is that even on a bad day and we possibly get thumped you just know the line up and tactics were to win the game and we were only let down by the unplanned individual error or a bit of genius from a better quality team / player.
And for me - I could not ask any more than that
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New 5 year contract just signed
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Club just announced he’s signed a new improved 5 year contract !
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Lovely stuff.
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Signing of the summer
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How many times has that been said
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Lovely stuff and well deserved.
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Great news, wonder if his agent linking him with Man U got him an extra x a week. 😂
Top player
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Boom !
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Great news on SJM. Deserved improved deal.
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Fantastic news!
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Great stuff. I have lots of favourites, lately. But I think he might be my favourite favourite.
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We've got (for the next 5 years) McGinn, Super John McGinn
Great news
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Fantastic news and well deserved
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It's like a new signing.
Oh and piss off yer whisky faced old has been, he's ours.
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And quite right too. I just love the bloke!
Unlucky, Newton Heath... :D
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‘Ole in last day trolley dash for Mcg....’ oh.
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“I have loved every minute of my time at Aston Villa and I am delighted to commit myself to the club for the long term,"
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Good news. I wonder what will happen on the 08/08/20 ;)
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Happy with this. Good luck John for the season
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I wonder if he has a release clause, and would like to speculate on how big it might be.
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It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.
Andy Gray certainly, Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter. There's probably more I know.
SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player. Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there. you gotta love SJM .
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I wonder if he has a release clause, and would like to speculate on how big it might be.
I mean this in all seriousness...If we have a release clause of anything less than 100m we are fucking mental. If 80m for McGuire is acceptable this year, what will prices be like in 2years. SJM like Jack is going to make people sit up and take serious notice this year
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I'd rather have this than a new striker, I think.
McGinn could probably do a good job for us up front, anyway. :P
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I'm happy over the moon with this news 5 more year's of SJM brilliant news.
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It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.
Andy Gray certainly, Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter. There's probably more I know.
SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player. Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there. you gotta love SJM .
Alex Cropley, Des Bremner.
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It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.
Andy Gray certainly, Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter. There's probably more I know.
SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player. Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there. you gotta love SJM .
Alex Cropley, Des Bremner.
George Ramsay
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Andy Lochhead
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Absolutely over the moon about this.
Super John McGinn epitomises everything we are.
It's clear that he loves Villa as much as we love him.
Newton Heath was never in the hunt.
Their time is fast approaching.
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I want to ruffle his hair and pinch his cheeks.
Excellent news, good luck for the season John 8)
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I thought I was long past having a favourite player. Far too old and cynical now for that schoolboy hero worship stuff.
John McGinn is my favourite player. I Effing love him.
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Excellent news.
100m to Real Madrid in 2021
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This is the best signing of the Summer, Mings and Heaton joint second.
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More excellent news. Great summer.
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He's infectious. Imagine having to look that smiling little face in the eye after a game when you've come off the pitch and not given as much as he has. Shame, shame on you.
Brilliant news.
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Excellent news.
100m to Real Madrid in 2021
A derisory opening bid if ever I saw one.
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It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.
Andy Gray certainly, Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter. There's probably more I know.
SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player. Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there. you gotta love SJM .
and Ken McNaught
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It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.
Andy Gray certainly, Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter. There's probably more I know.
SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player. Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there. you gotta love SJM .
and Ken McNaught
And Des Bremner
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Excellent news.
100m to Real Madrid in 2021
Who will we be paying them that much for?
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I thought I was long past having a favourite player. Far too old and cynical now for that schoolboy hero worship stuff.
John McGinn is my favourite player. I Effing love him.
This.
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Not sure I could choose between Mings, McGinn and Jack to be honest.
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Excellent news.
100m to Real Madrid in 2021
Why would he want to leave the Champions League winners to go to Madrid?
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Really good news and whilst we are discussing this, off at a tangent I'd like to wish Hibs all the best for the coming season, they sold us a good 'un.
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Great player ,great attitude , and just seems a fun bloke to have around the squad
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Remember when we did that quirky secret reveal video last year when he signed? I was actually dissapointed at the time because I wanted it to be Joe Bryan. What a twat I am.
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Great player, absolutely fantastic news that he's staying for many years, alongside Jack and Douglas.
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Just a couple of years ago I pretty much had no affinity with any of our players like I used to with the likes of McGrath, Platt, Daley, Mellberg, Taylor, Lauren etc. Didn't like any of them in that way but now we have McGinn, Grealish and Mings and a few others not forgetting Dean Smith and I'm feeling more positive about the club that I have since the Big Ron, John Gregory and start of MON eras.
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^I feel exactly the same !! 😀
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“We’ve got our Villa back!!!”
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What is so exciting is that our number 7 is about to be unleashed on a largely unexpected public.
I cannot wait
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Sky
Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn says he laughed off links to Manchester United and that he is delighted to have signed a long-term deal with his current club.
Having helped Villa back to the top flight, McGinn was mentioned as a possible United target in the summer, with Sir
Alex Ferguson reportedly championing him.
However, McGinn was rewarded with a new five-year contract at Villa on Thursday ahead of Saturday's trip to Tottenham
And the Scotland international admitted he was baffled at the United speculation.
"I had a little chuckle at it to be honest," said McGinn. "I'm sure a lot of people did.
"It is up to me to go and prove it is justified. At that point, my whole mindset was on Villa and being successful here.
"I have still got so much left to learn and prove.
"In the environment here I am appreciated. I'm loved and respected by everyone - there is no better feeling. I still have to pinch myself driving in.
"I feel like one of the main players here but I still need to improve and get better.
"To have any speculation lingering about isn't what you want.
"I'm just glad to be settled and to focus on the next five years."
Villa signed 12 new players during pre-season in a spending spree of £130million, including new £22m record buy Wesley from Club Brugge.
Boss Dean Smith has revamped his squad and McGinn knows the jury is out regarding that strategy.
"I am not sure," he said. "There are a lot of new signings.
"A lot of boys have had to get their visas and stuff sorted, get used to the cuisine in Birmingham and the temperature. It took me seven months to get used to it.
"They are nice lads, no egos, I think that is important, with Villa being in the Premier League.
"Speaking to some of the experienced boys they all say Villa had a reputation for bad characters and big egos.
"I don't think we have that now.
"It is an important trait to have for a hard-working club. I think they have recruited well in that sense."
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Great player, absolutely fantastic news that he's staying for many years, alongside Jack and Douglas.
"Phwaay!"
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Class.
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From a Spuds forum :
Worrying about John McGinn, I've seen it all now.
Maybe someone could put this up by his peg in the changing room....
I hope that guy feels daft now.
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Any debate about John’s level should be done now.
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Shows how important he is to us
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A legend in the making. My type of player. Love him!
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The way he waited for the defender to commit himself to the slide, before taking the shot is a mark of an extremely good player.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
I choose my friends carefully. You are not included.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
An honest opinion you've put in the post-match thread, the Grealish thread, and now the John McGinn thread. A disinterated party might think you're just interested in having a pop at Grealish, rather than discussing our first game back in the premier league?
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You’ve been all over the place telling everyone how shit he was. Where was your wise observations on Jack all summer or more season. All of a sudden on the back of an admittedly poor display by his standards, but ONE game nonetheless, you are out here telling us he won’t make it.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
I choose my friends carefully. You are not included.
Well I won’t lose any sleep over that.
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What an oddball.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
An honest opinion you've put in the post-match thread, the Grealish thread, and now the John McGinn thread. A disinterated party might think you're just interested in having a pop at Grealish, rather than discussing our first game back in the premier league?
I often share the observation with my clients, the louder we shout, the less we get heard.
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Have not read anything before, what I will say is Jack knows he fecked up for their second goal. What I will also say he was tireless today, people think he is a prima donna but get to know he is totally the opposite.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
One game. Give him a chance. If McGinn had had a poor game (he has in the past) would that mean he’s hopeless? No clearly. If Jack plays every game this year and struggles like that you might have a point. But he won’t and he’ll learn.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
In my opinion, you're chatting shit.
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Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Nose alert.
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Grealish played okay but he should be an attacking force for the team for me he is far too casual deep in defence.
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We really needed 2 DMs to deal with the pressure from Spurs with Grealish available as the outlet to retain possession, release the pressure and move into their half. There’s no way a team can sustain that kind of pressure when the ball keeps coming back so quickly.
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Dean needed Marvellous and Doug on the pitch today. Not sure where the Marvellous one was.
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Dean needed Marvellous and Doug on the pitch today. Not sure where the Marvellous one was.
He will play a major role this season. As will Doug. Long season mate.
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He's a great player and one we can be proud of. It feels like such a long time since we were able to say that about a few players in the squad doesn't it?
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Felt he went a bit AWOL second half along with the rest of the midfield but once again raised his game to yet another level over all.
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
Not the draw they once were,
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Most important player in the squad?
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
Not the draw they once were,
Money talks - they're still a big draw, ask Harry Maguire
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
No.
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John McGinn said at the weekend “It has been a long journey for me to get here but I am finally here now and I don’t want to leave. I want to stay here, and I want to stay here with Villa”.
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I don't see this, he's with a group of lads he likes at a club that loves him, playing in one of the best leagues in the world and earning more money that he's ever earned in his life.
Don't think he's gonna have his beautiful little head turned just yet.
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Scored a great goal and I'm so pleased for him he loves playing for us a fantastic footballer.
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The imminent 50 million pound bid never materialised because it was bollocks printed in (you guessed it) the s*n anyway.
A good game for Longstaff next week and the same papers and twitter glory hunters will be carping on about him instead.
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I don't see this, he's with a group of lads he likes at a club that loves him, playing in one of the best leagues in the world and earning more money that he's ever earned in his life.
Don't think he's gonna have his beautiful little head turned just yet.
Agreed, if we stay up and keep progressing he'll be with us for a least two more seasons.
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Wolves better players seem to avoid the speculation, even Nuno as well. They seem to slip under radar?
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
When did Utd fans take over from the Glaziers?
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
When did Utd fans take over from the Glaziers?
;D ;D ;D
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An arse like McGinn's has not been seen and used in the top division since Kenny Dalgleish was in his pomp.
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I'd take £70m for him all day long. If they want to hugely overpay for players like Maguire, then I'd snatch their hands off. We got Engels and Mings for about a third of what Maguire cost.
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I think there is a wider consideration. We can not be, or seen to be a club that every time we have an exceptional player we allow arrogant xxxxts like Manure walk up and take them away.
I have a feeling that our Board will not be a soft touch on this.
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I'm walking with McGinn.
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I'm walking with McGinn.
No need to get all Christmassy, it's only August!
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I think there is a wider consideration. We can not be, or seen to be a club that every time we have an exceptional player we allow arrogant xxxxts like Manure walk up and take them away.
I have a feeling that our Board will not be a soft touch on this.
I agree, but there's being a soft touch, and then there's robbing a club blind like Leicester did with Maguire. I wouldn't sell McGinn for something derisory like £25m, but if they want to pay stupid money then you take it off them and use it to improve the squad massively. I reckon Leicester who appear to be a well run, ambitious club will do well with the money.
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mrmen/images/7/70/Mr-jelly-5a.png/revision/latest?cb=20180104121201)
It's not an earthquake. It's a leaf falling from a tree. Take a deep breath and count to ten.
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).
Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.
A colossal bell end
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I don’t think McGinn would suit Man U tbh. Imagine if he went there and started slicking his hair back and poncing around with gold jewellery and diamond earrings. :-\
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).
Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.
A colossal bell end
Bellends like most of them ! Theyre the ones I want to beat more than anyone now we're back - even more than Wolves.
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So pleased he’s signed that new deal. He’s fantastic and his profile has shot through the roof.
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).
Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.
A colossal bell end
Just mention the fact their vastly superior bitter rivals are winning trophies galore whilst Yanited scratch around in the Europa League.
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).
Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.
A colossal bell end
Just mention the fact their vastly superior bitter rivals are winning trophies galore whilst Yanited scratch around in the Europa League.
Indeed, both of them are.
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Any Man Yoo fan that talks to me about McGinn will get told my in the know about Klopp seeing him as Milners long term replacement.
Complete bollocks of course but so are the links to the second biggest team in Manchester.
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I don’t think McGinn would suit Man U tbh. Imagine if he went there and started slicking his hair back and poncing around with gold jewellery and diamond earrings. :-\
He is far too good for them.
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Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
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Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
Heard it. He's obviously very happy with us, and gets on very well with Jack. Jim White still looking for us to sell him at the end of the season though: fcuk off Talksport!
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Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
Heard it. He's obviously very happy with us, and gets on very well with Jack. Jim White still looking for us to sell him at the end of the season though: fcuk off Talksport!
When Jack has a scintillating performance at the weekend they'll switch attention to him.
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United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).
Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.
A colossal bell end
Bellends like most of them ! Theyre the ones I want to beat more than anyone now we're back - even more than Wolves.
I work 3 days a week in Stockport where in the main they are City. The older supporters are great to talk to as they reminisce about being excited when Shaun Goater signed a contract extension and Paul Dickov signed. They remember where they came from and are a decent bunch. The younger lot have only really known their recent history so can be as obnoxious as the typical United fan.
I agree - want to beat United more than a Villa hating XI of Wolves / Blues / Cov / Bitters
I hate the fuck out of them
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Same here, Hookey. Always had a soft spot for Man City since their FA Cup semi final at Villa Park. Saying that, there was a few of us Villa fans waiting for kick off in a bar here when a group of four lads walked in, wished us good luck and said they were 'City' fans. City? What City? The look on their faces was one of shock. I had to explain to them that I'd hoped they'd, despite all their recent success, avoided the arrogance of their neighbours who refer to themselves as 'United'. Sadly, they didn't get it.
I prefer to refer to City as 'Manchester'; it's guaranteed to piss off the Man Utd, gloryhunting, arrogant twats.
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I don't have a problem with MC fans from Manchester referring to their club as City. Why would they distinguish it from other clubs who share the name City?
It does annoy me when neutrals refer to them as such though, because this simply did not happen before they won the lottery. The informality (?) of it is what gets me.
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Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
audio at the top of this, has quotes too
https://talksport.com/football/586741/john-mcginn-aston-villa-never-intending-to-leave-summer-manchester-united/
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Great interview. He's a good lad is SJM 8)
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Good interview. SJM has always stated how much he loves it at Villa so we just have to ignore all the media and pundits trying to sell him off to teams like Man Utd. His new 5 year deal means he’s not going anywhere for a few seasons at least and hopefully he’ll earn legendary status with Villa, but if and when he does then it will be a very big money move.
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/john-mcginn-dances-pants-steps-19002204
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Haha! I think SJM could do with watching that recent Woodstock documentary to get some dancing in pants pointers/moves
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John McGinn is the sort of person who you'd want your sister to date.
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John McGinn is the sort of person who you'd want to date.
FTFY
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John McGinn is the sort of person who you'd want your sister to date.
Love it !
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I think this was nicked from a Ben Stokes meme.
Same rules apply, I suppose.
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Brian Little walked on water.
John McGinn walks on Irn-Bru.
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I'm glad he's not playing tonight. No risk of injury and come back ready to take on West Ham next week.
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4-0 down and they brought him on with 4 minutes left.
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4-0 down and they brought him on with 4 minutes left.
And they wonder why they're so shit.
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4-0 down and they brought him on with 4 minutes left.
I know. How odd . Shame Tshbola isnt scottish , Clark would have him first on the team sheet.
And they wonder why they're so shit.
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John McGinn doesn't make the Scotland team? Seriously?
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From SSN - the Premier League Power XI so far.
" As we enter the first international break this season, it's time to take a look at which players have excelled during the early weeks to book their place in the Power Rankings' Premier League XI...
Aston Villa workhorse John McGinn edges countless superstars for the final spot, scoring and assisting once, in addition to recording chart-topping stats across a raft of defensive metrics. "
(https://i.redd.it/yfxeml0pvvl31.jpg)
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John McGinn doesn't make the Scotland team? Seriously?
It's obviously because they're so good, and have a raft of brilliant midfield options.
What's that, they're 48th in the world? Oh.
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Was amazed that both McGinn and Fraser were dropped for the Belgium game. That McTominay has been rubbish so far for Scotland, might be worth trying him at CB.
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This is quite funny.
https://youtu.be/ditRx_WQC2I
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This is quite funny.
https://youtu.be/ditRx_WQC2I
Excellent! 'Meatball McGinn' has a certain ring to it
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This is quite funny.
https://youtu.be/ditRx_WQC2I
I think that this is the best interview that I have ever seen!
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My lad had his name put on his shirt after the Bournemouth game. His heart was in his boots until John signed the cast on his arm and spent a few moments chatting to him. He was an absolute top bloke, much as you see in this video. Wesley and Luiz were also spot on. Jack was a miserable git (again), but to be fair he was probably massively pissed off.
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Watching the Wolves match and im hearing that they have stolen the John McGinn song and using it for Ruben Neves i think it was, it was sort of half hearted singing so couldn't quite hear but think it was Neves lol
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Interview from today’s Times. He comes over really well. I didn’t think I could like him any more.
John McGinn: ‘I feel I offer something different to other players’
Hard-working midfielder had to wait for a shot at the big time but will fancy his chances of hustling Arsenal today
The thing about Clydebank, says John McGinn, is it sits between Loch Lomond and Glasgow, and that means you can go one of two ways.
You go “posh,” he grins, if you travel west to the loch and the mountains and pretty villages there. Or you go real if you head east into Glasgow. In life, McGinn always goes real. No Louis Vuitton wash bag for him, but one he picked up in a Glasgow store. And his car? He used a Football League scheme for players to purchase his, a Mercedes 4x4 with a towbar. Aston Villa’s squad thinks it is hilarious. They call him Eddie Stobart but, McGinn shrugs, “I’d never drive anything my mum wouldn’t get in to.”
Mum Mary and Stephen, his dad, are teachers and the biggest influences upon a 24-year-old who reeks of hard work and humble values, but the rest of the McGinn clan have shaped him too. It’s a big one. He has “50 or 60 cousins”, all of whom would knock him back down to earth were he ever to say or do anything flash.
His grandad, Jack, was chairman of Celtic and president of the Scottish Football Association and is a patriarch from whom he gets solid guidance. Then there are Stephen and Paul, his professional footballer brothers, and twin sister Katie who “would slap me silly if I ever got carried away,” says a midfielder who interested Manchester United in the summer and is deemed “super” by Jurgen Klopp.
After an article where he was rated at £50m, he was asked how much he would pay for himself and “£5” was his reply. He has not forgotten the periods in his life where being here — a flourishing Premier League newcomer and Villa fans’ and players’ player of the year — was very far away. An early hurdle arose when his school, St Peter the Apostle High, had no teacher to take the football team. Mary, who taught there and coached ladies’ netball, stepped in: “It was murder!”
When an SFA rule forbade youngsters playing schools football and for a professional club youth team, and John was at St Mirren’s academy, Mary intervened again. “She gave St Mirren an ultimatum — he either plays for his school and nobody or his school and you. We won the Scottish Schools Cup that year.”
Clydebank itself “presents its own challenges,” he reflects. “There was loads of football played. It’s all you really know from there. It was a brilliant place but the temptations of drink are common.
At 15, 16, I’d be street-walking with pals. We’d go up the hill and I’d have my Capri Sun — they’d have Mad Dog [nickname for a fortified wine popular in the west of Scotland]. I was always driven to be a player and had training three or four nights a week, nothing was going to stop me. I had good people round me — even if they were on the Mad Dog,” he laughs.
He has a social conscience and still supports initiatives in Edinburgh, where he played for Hibs, while being an enthusiastic participant in Villa’s community work, and Scotland’s problematic relationship with alcohol troubles him. “Don’t get me wrong, I like a beer from time to time,” he says, “but [at 15] that was a point where it’s easy to get sucked in. Everyone says, ‘Oh, if I hadnae turned to drink...’ It’s so easy in places like Clydebank. And there are a lot worse places in the Glasgow area where it’s even easier to get dragged in.” He hopes Scottish initiatives to tackle the problem work.
St Mirren was a testing but valuable breeding ground. McGinn captained the Under-19s and was charged by fellow players with asking youth head David Longwell to relent. “Everything was old school. We picked litter and cleaned the changing room,” McGinn recalls. “Two or three gym sessions a day. I’d have to ask [Longwell] can the boys go home and he’d say ‘go and do another session’.
“Looking back he was doing it for our benefit, making stuff up to keep us there after 5pm, and keep us out of trouble.” His progress took off when a coach, Tommy Craig, converted him to a midfielder. He helped St Mirren win the League Cup and was player of the year. The next campaign (2014-15) is the one he always reaches back to for perspective.
St Mirren changed managers, overhauled their squad, and he decided against extending his contract. He felt the pressure of being the young talisman, and the team struggled — ultimately going down. His future was uncertain, no top-flight Scottish club willing to pay the £250,000 compensation required.
Then, weeks before becoming a free agent, McGinn suffered serious injury in a training prank — St Mirren captain Steven Thompson speared him with a sharpened pole. It plunged into McGinn’s thigh. “It was a millimetre from the femoral artery. Mentally I struggled. It was a complete accident and there were no hard feelings but the fact I was so close to dying... the surgeon showed me the path of [the pole] and it was 7.7cm deep, somehow avoiding the artery. [Had it not] I’d have bled out in minutes, he said.”
That incident felt “like the icing on the cake. Getting relegated was hard early in my career and I thought the world was against me. Nobody — I mean nobody — would pay the compensation fee for me. And it got to the stage, even St Mirren supporters would agree, I was rubbish.”
He felt even sorrier for himself when red tape thwarted a move to Houston Dynamo in the MLS, then a transfer to Dundee United collapsed — United preferring to sign a Dutch nonentity, Rodney Sneijder, instead. His last option was Hibs, in the Scottish Championship, but moving there proved transformative — and look at him now, Villa’s best player this season, scorer of last year’s Championship Goal of the Season and the “£170m goal” that earned Villa promotion via the playoff final at Wembley.
Dean Smith, Villa’s manager, has unlocked creative and penetrative aspects of his game — moving him upfield to play as an attacking No 8 alongside Jack Grealish. “I feel I offer something different to other players,” he says. “I can hustle and bustle. [In Scotland] what frustrated me, and my dad and grandad, was the impression I was just a rat, a runner. Coming here I’ve proved I can play.”
Villa have big ambitions (“everywhere you look there’s building work”) but know their priority — survival. At games are a regular stream of McGinn guests — his parents, his pals and Mikey, a young leukaemia sufferer he befriended visiting Edinburgh Sick Children’s Hospital and who FaceTimes him daily.
Grealish is a close buddy. “We’re similar age and like similar things,” McGinn says. He considers Grealish’s pin-up boy status and is modest to the last. “We’re different looks-wise but I suppose we’re probably a 12 out of 20 together…”
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Top man
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I love the wee man. And we should sign his twin sister!
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What a top, top bloke. I was at a kids' birthday party yesterday, and was having a coffee with a mate who used to play for Hearts (as well as the mighty Livingston and Cowdenbeath). He's meeting a load of mates in London today to watch the Hibs/Hearts derby, and he says that he and all of his mates are now secondary Villa fans, because of SJM.
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12 out of 20 together is proper funny
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Watching the Wolves match and im hearing that they have stolen the John McGinn song and using it for Ruben Neves i think it was, it was sort of half hearted singing so couldn't quite hear but think it was Neves lol
They were chanting that before we even signed SJM.
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Class act. We had quite an unlikeable bunch here for so many years, so it's great having players like SJM and Mings. Generally its a decent bunch now.
This lad will go a long way. I really hope we've got a few more years to come with McGinn running our midfield. If I look at things right now though, I worry about him getting poached way more than anyone else in the side.
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Loved the look on his face yesterday when he was defending just outside our box and some Arsenal git had the ball. Reminded me of one of my old dogs when you had a tennis ball, in the best possible way.
Love him.
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He was fucking great again, yesterday. Very unlucky to be on the losing side.
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massive bids incoming in January?
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He was fucking great again, yesterday. Very unlucky to be on the losing side.
Not managing his stamina though and it's a problem. Wish the likes of AEG or Wesley could watch and learn how to press an opponent like McGinn.
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massive bids incoming in January?
No chance in January, I would reckon. Guaranteed to start every week with us and just signed a brand new contract.
End of the season might be a different matter depending on how we do though.
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massive bids incoming in January?
The pink elephant smiles in the moonlight.
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massive bids incoming in January?
I doubt it. You have to laugh sometimes.
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I'd be surprised if clubs further up the current food chain weren't keeping an eye on him.
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They absolutely will be - he is excellent. Same would go for at least a couple of our other players as well I would imagine.
None of them will be going anywhere in January though.
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He's took to the PL like the proverbial duck to water. Doesn't look fazed by it at all.
It's absolutely certain bigger clubs will already be watching him. Klopp commented on how good a player he was just last week.
It's up to us to be a better team to keep him happy where he is.
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so that c##t Noel Whelan is telling the media Manure are looking at buying SJM in January .
fuck off u c'##t . why the fuck are you such an expert who gives a shit what you say.
£75 million and throw Greenwood in and will do it
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I'd be surprised if clubs further up the current food chain weren't keeping an eye on him.
True which is why it's nonsense that McGinn would consider an half arsed club like Man Utd.
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If we are languishing down the league, it has to be a possibility.
He is hot property.
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so that c##t Noel Whelan is telling the media Manure are looking at buying SJM in January .
fuck off u c'##t . why the fuck are you such an expert who gives a shit what you say.
£75 million and throw Greenwood in and will do it
Yes, I'm pretty sure Man United run most of their potential transfer business by forgotten former journeymen strikers who now work for Radio Leeds.
If Noel "not as good as Glen" Whelan says it's true, it's likely true. Just need Darren Gough to 100% confirm it.
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SJM was sensational again yesterday. His energy, determination and incisiveness in possession are just a joy to behold. He is playing at top 4 level right now.
I can't think of a Villa player I've enjoyed watching so much in 20 or 30 years or so. He's exactly what you'd hope a Villa player could be.
Just got to ward off the vultures who will certainly be circling.
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He’s like a better James Milner.
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He had a great first half but didn't do much 2nd apart from scoring.
Fading in the 2nd half has been a bit of theme with him - maybe he goes to hard and doesn't pace himself?
Currently not as good as Milner at his peak for me, but if he carries on improving he'll get there
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Everyone has there price it’s the nature of the sale that we need to get right. He has recently signed a new deal (was it 5 years?). Sell him at 26, to a club abroad and for big money. That’s if he wants out because you just never know.
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He’s no technical Gordon Cowans or as fast as Tony Daley / Tony Morley , but as commitment, warrior, always positive driving forward, scoring goals , tracking back, I’ve never seen anyone better since going to VP from early 70’s.
All players have a shelf life, but I just can’t get my head around him ever playing for anyone else !!
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He’s like a better James Milner.
Yes, or a harder-working Delph. His close control getting out of tight spots is unbelievable.
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Got to be worth 75m already going on his performances so far this season. Our most valuable and important player for god knows how long.
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He’s top class. An absolute steal from Hibs.
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The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
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The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
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The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
Depends on who’s interested I guess.
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And whether we stay up and start investing again next summer. I think we will, if we do, and so McGinn will stay put for a while at least.
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He's not going anywhere. He loves it here, we love him and even if it is a struggle this season, we have owners who will make sure we're staying where we belong. Mings, Engels, Grealish all superb but John McGinn is our heartbeat. Incidentally, Leicester fans owe Celtic a debt of gratitude...Rogers walked because he couldn't get him. He knew.
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The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.
And you're being very unfair on Doug & possibly Randy. I don't think either wanted to sell our best players.
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Is this what it's going to be like every time he scores a goal? Oh no Liverpool might buy him... ::) Wasn't it Mings to Man City last week?
He's here, he's awesome, any bid in January would have to be ridiculous considering staying in prem for one season is worth £100 million.
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What a player.
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Is this what it's going to be like every time he scores a goal? Oh no Liverpool might buy him... ::) Wasn't it Mings to Man City last week?
He's here, he's awesome, any bid in January would have to be ridiculous considering staying in prem for one season is worth £100 million.
Well said.
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The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Can’t recall many clubs letting their key players go in January. Not a chance of mcginn going then
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He's just signed a new long term deal. He'll be staying, we don't need the money. The only way he might leave is if we get relegated.
We're trying to build something here, not dismantle it. Look at what our owners did with Grealish when Spurs were almost there for proof of what they'll do.
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He just get's better and better every game he plays.
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We can't help ourselves can we? As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.
We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
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The panicking over our players doing well and being taken by the top 4/6 is why I find the accusations of 'small time' that come out so often so frustrating, in my opinion the most small time thing about the club right now is that we, as fans, seem to be scared to consider ourselves a big club just in case something goes wrong.
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We can't help ourselves can we? As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.
We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?
Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.
It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc). The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve. We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.
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We can't help ourselves can we? As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.
We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?
Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.
It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc). The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve. We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.
Every player has a price. Jack's was £35 Million. We didn't get it so we didn't sell. Now we're in a totally different position but it will still be difficult to keep the likes of McGinn just because he plays great in every game? That doesn't make any sense at all.
And how come this only applies to us and not every club below Man City and Liverpool?
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I've no worries about McGinn leaving. I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders. Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother. We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front. McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.
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I've no worries about McGinn leaving. I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders. Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother. We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front. McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.
I can't see him leaving either, but I'd contend that he would be brilliant in that Liverpool team.
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We can't help ourselves can we? As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.
We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?
Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.
It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc). The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve. We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.
Every player has a price. Jack's was £35 Million. We didn't get it so we didn't sell. Now we're in a totally different position but it will still be difficult to keep the likes of McGinn just because he plays great in every game? That doesn't make any sense at all.
And how come this only applies to us and not every club below Man City and Liverpool?
There you are being a drama queen again to add value to your argument. I didn't say just because he plays well, it will be difficult to keep him. I said if he carries on as he has in the past 7 games which is a damn sight better than just playing well. With the same goals to game ratio, he'll finish with around 17 goals. It makes perfect sense to me that better teams will be looking.
I didn't say it only applies to us either - That is just something else you added for value.
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The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.
Not under these owners, we turned down a 'top 4 club' when they came in for Grealish when we were a Championship team.
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The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.
Not under these owners, we turned down a 'top 4 club' when they came in for Grealish when we were a Championship team.
I think that was when they offered £3.50, some old Green Shield stamps and Onomah though. When they realised how rich our new guys were they realised they couldn't afford him.
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We can't help ourselves can we? As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.
We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?
Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.
It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc). The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve. We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.
Every player has a price. Jack's was £35 Million. We didn't get it so we didn't sell. Now we're in a totally different position but it will still be difficult to keep the likes of McGinn just because he plays great in every game? That doesn't make any sense at all.
And how come this only applies to us and not every club below Man City and Liverpool?
There you are being a drama queen again to add value to your argument. I didn't say just because he plays well, it will be difficult to keep him. I said if he carries on as he has in the past 7 games which is a damn sight better than just playing well. With the same goals to game ratio, he'll finish with around 17 goals. It makes perfect sense to me that better teams will be looking.
I didn't say it only applies to us either - That is just something else you added for value.
I'm the one saying he isn't going anywhere and your the one worrying about a possible hypothetical situation concerning one of our players and I'm the drama queen? I'd leave it there if I were you.
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The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.
Not under these owners, we turned down a 'top 4 club' when they came in for Grealish when we were a Championship team.
Our owners don't need their money. Far richer than most of the Premier League owners! Interesting to see Fosun losing £1 billion through the collapse of Thomas Cook. Wolves might see a tightening of their spending power.
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My current favourite Villa player. The one player who has seamlessly fitted into the PL, having never played there before.
The only way he'd leave, any time soon, is if we got relegated.
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What if someone rocked up with a pallet of full-sugar Irn Bru?
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His form isn't going unnoticed.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/sep/30/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-weekend-action
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I don’t seem to remember the media linking any of Wolves best players last season with a potential move to a top 6 club, as the Guardian have done there.
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Tbf they were with Moutinho and Neves.
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Our Franksy's stirring it on the radio at the moment about selling him.
Fcuk off!!
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Our Franksy's stirring it on the radio at the moment about selling him.
Fcuk off!!
Don’t worry only Dingles, Noses and Olbiyun fans listen. If they clubbed together they still couldn’t afford him.
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Our Franksy's stirring it on the radio at the moment about selling him.
Fcuk off!!
Don’t worry only Dingles, Noses and Olbiyun fans listen. If they clubbed together they still couldn’t afford him.
They couldn't even afford his big toe!
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From the Guardian. Another piece on our favourite midfielder.
John McGinn is everything Aston Villa fans could want from a midfielder
Scotland international scored the goal that took Villa to the Premier League. His performances could keep them there
By Martin Laurence
The promoted clubs find themselves in the bottom half of the Premier League after seven matches, but all three have shown that they will be competitive in the top flight. Sheffield United have made the brightest start – they are up in 12th place, just a point below Manchester United – while Norwich City and Aston Villa are sitting in 17th and 18th, either side of the relegation line, as they prepare to meet at Carrow Road on Saturday.
A number of players have impressed for the Blades and Canaries, but Villa have been much more reliant on the performances of a single player. Before the season began, most football fans would have expected that player to be Jack Grealish, whose return from injury last season inspired Villa to a historic 10-match winning streak. The academy graduate was the heartbeat of the side’s sprint to promotion, but the team’s other midfielder, John McGinn, was the star in the play-off final against Derby, scoring the winning goal and picking up the man of the match award at Wembley.
“Super” John joined “Super” Jack at Villa in the summer of 2018 and fans quickly fell head over heels. The former Hibs man is the sort of player who is impossible not to love and the perfect embodiment of what people mean when they speak about a player being a “dream” for a manager. He almost literally runs himself into the ground; his unnatural running style is instantly recognisable, with the 24-year old seemingly getting closer and closer to the turf with every endless yard he travels. Yet he somehow stays on his feet, even when under pressure, and almost always alleviates any pressure his side are facing.
McGinn doesn’t look like a modern footballer, nor does he care. The Scotland international is more than happy to poke fun at his teammates and himself. He has won over the Villa fanbase and the dressing room as a result, building a close friendship with the Grealish, who certainly fits the mould of the image-conscious Premier League player.
McGinn, in contrast to his elegant midfield partner, is a hunched ball of energy whose sheer determination on the pitch has earned him a place among the elite. He has stepped up to the Premier League comfortably. McGinn scored his third goal of the season in Villa’s 2-2 draw against Burnley last Saturday, making him the club’s top joint scorer in the league so far.
It was the third time this season that Villa have dropped points from a winning position and McGinn has scored in all three of those games. He will be delighted with his own start to the campaign, even if his performances have not yet been rewarded by results. He was Villa’s standout players against Burnley, picking up his fourth man of the match award in the club’s seven league games so far this season. For context, no other player in the league has won more than two man of the match awards.
When Villa are lacking ideas – which has happened more often than Dean Smith would have liked this season – McGinn will fire off a shot from distance or embark on a burrowing run that gets the fans off their feet and behind the team. He is a unifying figure who brings the players and supporters together at Villa Park.
At a time when specialist roles have become prominent in midfield, McGinn is a welcome throwback. He does everything and, even if he does not look the most cultured, his effectiveness cannot be questioned. He has taken more shots (21), made more tackles (23) and completed more dribbles (16) than any of his teammates. Those statistics stand up across the league; he ranks sixth for shots, 10th for tackles and 11th for dribbles in the entire division. On top of that, only Grealish (28) and Wilfried Zaha (24) have been fouled more times than McGinn (23).
Such busy, complete performances will not go unnoticed. There were tentative links with Manchester United over the summer, which were laughed off by some at the time but look increasingly logical now. Brendan Rodgers is also a big fan, having been desperate to sign the midfielder when he was Celtic manager. It was reported at the time that Celtic would not stump up an asking price in the region of £2m. Their loss was Villa’s gain. As far as Villa are concerned, McGinn is the signing of the century so far. He scored the goal that took the club back to the Premier League and his ability to impact games will be crucial if they are to stay there.
Can they not print such lies. He's rubbish and no one should buy him.
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John McGinn has been nominated for the Premier League Player of the Month award.
Voting on the September prize, sponsored by EA SPORTS, is now open.
McGinn has been sensational this month, continuing his brilliant form with goals against Burnley and Arsenal.
He is one of eight top-flight players up for the gong.
His competition includes:
- Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool)
- Pierre Emerick-Aubameyang (Arsenal)
- Kevin De Bruyne (Man City)
- Riyad Mahrez (Man City)
- Son Heung-min (Tottenham)
- Ricardo Pereira (Leicester City)
- Callum Wilson (Bournemouth)
You can VOTE NOW.
It closes at 6pm on Monday.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/10/04/john-mcginn-up-for-september-award
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Voted.
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First booking of the season for SJM, as well as fast becoming one of the best players in the Premier league, his disciplinary record is also improving.
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His turn to skin leitner in the first half was absolutely filthy, scholes-esque. Wish I could find a better clip of it.
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His turn to skin leitner in the first half was absolutely filthy, scholes-esque. Wish I could find a better clip of it.
Indeed it was. I thought he had a quiet game ... but pretty much everything he did was done well.
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He went quiet second half, but first half he ran the show.
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That little step over bit of skill he did in the second half to get past a Norwich player was sensational.
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That little step over bit of skill he did in the second half to get past a Norwich player was sensational.
That had me drooling, sublime skill.
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This bit of skill that was part of the move for our penalty is absolutely filthy
https://twitter.com/andyvillain1212/status/1180602703099023372?s=12
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With his weak foot aswell, if I tried that with my left foot I'd end up fouling myself.
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He went quiet second half, but first half he ran the show.
Similar story over the last few games. Can't think why other than instructions from Dean Smith. Jack normally comes to life second half but yesterday he was a 90 minuter.
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...if I tried that with my left foot I'd end up fouling myself.
Dirrty boy
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With his weak foot aswell, if I tried that with my left foot I'd end up fouling myself.
And me - but not in a football sense :(
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The absolute king.
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A Scotland hat trick for Mr McGinn this evening.
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Sports personality of the year for his happy little grin alone.
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A Scotland hat trick for Mr McGinn this evening.
Yes, but can he do it in Andorra-la-Vella on a cold winter night?
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Brilliant John McGinn!!
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I could score a hat-trick against San Marino, but tbf Scotland and San Marino are on an equal leval. How we got this guy for £3m is beyond me, absolute next level.
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A Scotland hat trick for Mr McGinn this evening.
Yes, but can he do it in Andorra-la-Vella on a cold winter night?
He did it today on a pitch that looked like the set of Singin' In The Rain.
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Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.
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I'm really, really going to miss him.
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I'm really, really going to miss him.
It's ok, he'll be back by Tuesday.
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Great news is that he will have a proper break at the end of the season. It's a win win.
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I see Man Utd fans clamouring for SJM's signature according to the B'ham Mail. Will we be able to fend them off??
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I see Man Utd fans clamouring for SJM's signature according to the B'ham Mail. Will we be able to fend them off??
I’m not sure McGinn’s head is easily turned to be honest. Not because I am biased about Villa, but because of everything we see and hear about the man. He does appear to be very grounded, to the point the other players take the piss out of his boring normal car, so I can’t see him rushing out the door for a few extra million a year somewhere else.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure if he felt he had to move to continue to progress and a club that could offer him a bigger challenge came in then he would be sensible and go. But I don’t see that being Man United in the next twelve months.
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YES. I don't think they will pay the £100M fee. I was away on a trip with a couple of manure fans last week. Both from the greater Manchester area and they couldn't stop talking about John.
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I see Man Utd fans clamouring for SJM's signature according to the B'ham Mail. Will we be able to fend them off??
With a spade and Molotov cocktails would be my preferred method.
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He’s just lovely ❤️
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Manchester United are not the draw they once were, doubt he would consider them if we can continue to give him PL football (big if). Would be highly surprised if they were the only interested parties though.
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Wait until yer average Man U fan sees Mings playing for England tomorrow.
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Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.
Have we ever had a player who scored an international hat-trick before? Struggling to think of one.
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Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.
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Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.
Have we ever had a player who scored an international hat-trick before? Struggling to think of one.
Wikipedia: The first players to score a hat-trick for England were Howard Vaughton and Arthur Alfred Brown, both Aston Villa players; in a friendly match against Ireland in 1882, they scored nine goals between them.
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