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[Stu82]

Man City's match day income compared to ours is your best comparison. Not a London club, not particularly expensive in contrast either.

We made £18.1m and they made £71.9m. So we could keep a Diaby or a Luiz. Pretty significant I'd say.

Without wishing to open up this rabbit hole again, £18.1m doesn’t sound to be a correct comparison.
That gives a nett average ticket price  of £22.00 inc corporate seats.

[Beard82]

Why would you compare a stadium built in 2002, renovated in 2016 and undergoing further works now, with one from 2001, 1994, 1993 and the 70s?

They also play more games usually, owing to the Champions League. Last season would have been the first time we had more home games than them in years.

If we rebuilt Villa Park and only at 42,000, we'd still generate more income than the current set up owing to the improvements modernity brings. Using Man City, is helpful to show those benefits at a similar level of capacity and price.

Yes but the point I am trying to make is that there is a huge gap that isnt because of capacity - its because of other factors - number of games - match day merch / food etc.   So I wonder if Heck is looking at it and thinking that it is much easier to grow revenue

[AV82EC]

Man City's match day income compared to ours is your best comparison. Not a London club, not particularly expensive in contrast either.

We made £18.1m and they made £71.9m. So we could keep a Diaby or a Luiz. Pretty significant I'd say.

Without wishing to open up this rabbit hole again, £18.1m doesn’t sound to be a correct comparison.
That gives a nett average ticket price  of £22.00 inc corporate seats.

Don’t Villa account for these things differently to everyone else. I’m sure I saw something a year or so back in one of the yearly accounts match threads that seemed to suggest that our hospitality and other stuff was included in our commercial income and not matchday revenue.

[Stu82]

Man City's match day income compared to ours is your best comparison. Not a London club, not particularly expensive in contrast either.

We made £18.1m and they made £71.9m. So we could keep a Diaby or a Luiz. Pretty significant I'd say.

Without wishing to open up this rabbit hole again, £18.1m doesn’t sound to be a correct comparison.
That gives a nett average ticket price  of £22.00 inc corporate seats.

Don’t Villa account for these things differently to everyone else. I’m sure I saw something a year or so back in one of the yearly accounts match threads that seemed to suggest that our hospitality and other stuff was included in our commercial income and not matchday revenue.

Yes it does, I think the way we record income is different, hence the larger than expected gap in revenue between the two clubs.

[AV82EC]

Man City's match day income compared to ours is your best comparison. Not a London club, not particularly expensive in contrast either.

We made £18.1m and they made £71.9m. So we could keep a Diaby or a Luiz. Pretty significant I'd say.

Without wishing to open up this rabbit hole again, £18.1m doesn’t sound to be a correct comparison.
That gives a nett average ticket price  of £22.00 inc corporate seats.

Don’t Villa account for these things differently to everyone else. I’m sure I saw something a year or so back in one of the yearly accounts match threads that seemed to suggest that our hospitality and other stuff was included in our commercial income and not matchday revenue.

Yes it does, I think the way we record income is different, hence the larger than expected gap in revenue between the two clubs.

Thanks Stu. As I was writing that reply I was trying to convince myself I hadn’t dreamt it.

[Duncan Shaw]

If we are staying at Villa Park long-term, then probably the option that makes most sense is to somehow get hold of the land needed to upgrade Witton Lane first.  There is more of an option to do a Liverpool style rebuild then, and add a third tier and extended concourses behind the existing structure, get the capacity up in there first before doing the North Stand.  It would mean capacity would never drop below what it is now, and eventually get us up towards 60k, and crucially no period away from Villa Park.

Can't see it happening though, for all of the reasons already mentioned.  With Atairos on board and building their stake it's feeling more and more inevitable to me that they are looking for a multi-purpose venue closer to the city centre.  Anywhere close to New St, Moor St, Snow Hill and the new HS2 terminal has the potential to become the number one entertainment venue in the country - just need to find the land.

Can you imagine the Noses, if they build their new place anticipating all this in some waster ground in Bordesely (a big if, and a big pinch of salt on capacity) and we pull this off, thus rendering their place unused.  It might just finish them off for good!

[Stu82]

Man City's match day income compared to ours is your best comparison. Not a London club, not particularly expensive in contrast either.

We made £18.1m and they made £71.9m. So we could keep a Diaby or a Luiz. Pretty significant I'd say.

Without wishing to open up this rabbit hole again, £18.1m doesn’t sound to be a correct comparison.
That gives a nett average ticket price  of £22.00 inc corporate seats.

Don’t Villa account for these things differently to everyone else. I’m sure I saw something a year or so back in one of the yearly accounts match threads that seemed to suggest that our hospitality and other stuff was included in our commercial income and not matchday revenue.

Yes it does, I think the way we record income is different, hence the larger than expected gap in revenue between the two clubs.

Thanks Stu. As I was writing that reply I was trying to convince myself I hadn’t dreamt it.

It was on another thread, someone in the know posted info.

[eamonn]

If we had to share at the Molineux, they might let us put in temporary stands in the corners to increase the attendance. Issue with the Albion is it's 26,000, so no room for all season ticket holders. At least at the Custard Bowl, we'd have space for all season ticket holders.

Leicester should be 40,000 by then. The main benefits to that being, it's a short train ride or hop up the M69, but mainly, it's closer to me.

Croke Park is a fine stadium and would enable us to accommodate all those on the season ticket waiting list, plus it's just a short hop from BHX.

The Dublin Dons with an exhumed Joe Kinnear and a haggard Eamon Dunphy at the helm.
To win, just once...

[Dogtanian]

Where to play isn't really an issue, it's just down to preference. I suspect the decision will be based on potential for corporate hospitality, which I suspect Cov would win out?

We have 27k season ticket holders. So that, plus an away allocation of 3k as per Premier League rules, means a 30k seater is the minimum.

Coventry have a 32k capacity, so that gives you additional for corporate or non-ST fans.

[eamonn]

Two thousand for us riff-raff? Cheers, you shouldn't have...

[Dogtanian]

Two thousand for us riff-raff? Cheers, you shouldn't have...

Don't thank me, my butler arranged it.

[Villan82]

Where to play isn't really an issue, it's just down to preference. I suspect the decision will be based on potential for corporate hospitality, which I suspect Cov would win out?

We have 27k season ticket holders. So that, plus an away allocation of 3k as per Premier League rules, means a 30k seater is the minimum.

Coventry have a 32k capacity, so that gives you additional for corporate or non-ST fans.

But what I don't get is this- why do that when playing at a Villa Park without a North stand would already be a 36,000 seater venue and probably have enough premium etc plus the added advantage of being our home? And if they can acquire more property behind the Witton that opens up the prospect of building behind the existing stand allowing the current one to remain open for a good chunk of the hypothetical construction?

[olaftab]

so its fag packet - but there match day turn over is 72m - they have a capacity of 53k - so make approx 1,350 per seat per season.  So with our capacity of 42k * 1350 per seat comes to about £57m

So the answer is increase the capacity to 52 or even 60K Mr Heck.

[Dogtanian]

Well, the problems with the ground aren't solely in the North and if they want to do more at once then moving out for a bit would be necessary.

I think if they were happy just doing the North they'd have done it or at the very least just delayed it.

[LeeB]

Where to play isn't really an issue, it's just down to preference. I suspect the decision will be based on potential for corporate hospitality, which I suspect Cov would win out?

We have 27k season ticket holders. So that, plus an away allocation of 3k as per Premier League rules, means a 30k seater is the minimum.

Coventry have a 32k capacity, so that gives you additional for corporate or non-ST fans.

But what I don't get is this- why do that when playing at a Villa Park without a North stand would already be a 36,000 seater venue and probably have enough premium etc plus the added advantage of being our home? And if they can acquire more property behind the Witton that opens up the prospect of building behind the existing stand allowing the current one to remain open for a good chunk of the hypothetical construction?

Yeah but we'd stil have all the hassle and would still have 3 shite stands (in terms of facilities) when it's finished, and would still be facing the same issues further down the line with them.