NSWE Investment

[The Edge]

The only thing that really makes sense that I can see in terms of Atairos is a new stadium that is part of a wider mixed use development that includes retail, leisure and residential. I can't see what else would provide them with a return on their investment, other than a possible sale of the club, but if Nas and Wes were considering that, I don't understand why they'd need investment from Atairos whose speciality is development.

Indeed, it all looks really strange - as if the only realistic explanation for their increased involvement is the one thing the club have specifically ruled out, ie stadium move.

Heck ruled out a stadium move; maybe it was simply expedient at the time of his comment. Like others, I think a stadium move seems most obvious right now.

Or a full scale redevelopment of Villa Park, the transport infrastructure and the environs.

Hopefully this.
Just where to play while it’s being built…

Alexander Stadium would be the obvious choice. Temporary stands like when we had the Commonwealth games made the capacity around 40k. We could play there for a couple of years while they redevelop Villa Park and the surrounding area.

[Gareth]

Maybe ask wolves to ground share? Not ideal but i doubt they would say no for a ground share agreement and say no to rent

Not sure how that works with FFP though?

FFP is not a problem, the costs of renting and all other associated costs would be allowable
The cost of building the new ground and any borrowing associated with it wouldn’t be.
It looks like Molineux is the only ground share option locally.
It would be terrible though.

Equally terrible would be Coventry but that is owned by Ashley so money would talk and you wouldn’t have to spend millions like you would at Alexander Stadium to make it football ready.

[pauliewalnuts]

The only thing that really makes sense that I can see in terms of Atairos is a new stadium that is part of a wider mixed use development that includes retail, leisure and residential. I can't see what else would provide them with a return on their investment, other than a possible sale of the club, but if Nas and Wes were considering that, I don't understand why they'd need investment from Atairos whose speciality is development.

Indeed, it all looks really strange - as if the only realistic explanation for their increased involvement is the one thing the club have specifically ruled out, ie stadium move.

Heck ruled out a stadium move; maybe it was simply expedient at the time of his comment. Like others, I think a stadium move seems most obvious right now.

Or a full scale redevelopment of Villa Park, the transport infrastructure and the environs.

Hopefully this.
Just where to play while it’s being built…

Alexander Stadium would be the obvious choice. Temporary stands like when we had the Commonwealth games made the capacity around 40k. We could play there for a couple of years while they redevelop Villa Park and the surrounding area.

It was 30k.

Can you imagine playing anywhere worse than that, though? With a big fucking athletics track around the pitch and a load of temporary stands open to the elements.

I'm also not sure how appropriate those temp stands would be for football, with the increased movement of the people in them, and for a winter sport, at least 23 times a year.

We'd be better off playing at Wolves, it'd make way more sense. Or even Albion.

Although if it was Albion, we'd clearly need to carry out a mass vaccination program before allowing our supporters to go there.

[paul_e]

Maybe ask wolves to ground share? Not ideal but i doubt they would say no for a ground share agreement and say no to rent

Not sure how that works with FFP though?

FFP is not a problem, the costs of renting and all other associated costs would be allowable
The cost of building the new ground and any borrowing associated with it wouldn’t be.
It looks like Molineux is the only ground share option locally.
It would be terrible though.

Equally terrible would be Coventry but that is owned by Ashley so money would talk and you wouldn’t have to spend millions like you would at Alexander Stadium to make it football ready.

To be fair Coventry is a fantastic stadium, a bit small but a great example of the sort of things you need to add to the concourses, etc. It's not relelvant to the discussion of somewhere to temporarily host us but Edgbaston is another proper modern stadium that shows what we need to be aiming for.

[Demitri_C]

Maybe ask wolves to ground share? Not ideal but i doubt they would say no for a ground share agreement and say no to rent

Not sure how that works with FFP though?

Sorry. Ask Wolves to ground share?

Its not great i know mate.

But if the long term goal means the club gets a new and bigger stadium surely a few years of having to bite our tongue wouldnt be so bad? We would be laughing at the end

[Ads]

If we had to share at the Molineux, they might let us put in temporary stands in the corners to increase the attendance. Issue with the Albion is it's 26,000, so no room for all season ticket holders. At least at the Custard Bowl, we'd have space for all season ticket holders.

[DB]

If we had to share at the Molineux, they might let us put in temporary stands in the corners to increase the attendance. Issue with the Albion is it's 26,000, so no room for all season ticket holders. At least at the Custard Bowl, we'd have space for all season ticket holders.

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Maybe ask wolves to ground share? Not ideal but i doubt they would say no for a ground share agreement and say no to rent

Not sure how that works with FFP though?

FFP is not a problem, the costs of renting and all other associated costs would be allowable
The cost of building the new ground and any borrowing associated with it wouldn’t be.
It looks like Molineux is the only ground share option locally.
It would be terrible though.

Equally terrible would be Coventry but that is owned by Ashley so money would talk and you wouldn’t have to spend millions like you would at Alexander Stadium to make it football ready.

To be fair Coventry is a fantastic stadium, a bit small but a great example of the sort of things you need to add to the concourses, etc. It's not relelvant to the discussion of somewhere to temporarily host us but Edgbaston is another proper modern stadium that shows what we need to be aiming for.
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About half of it is. Other half is very tired, butI saw plans to add hotel and new stand on some of it.

[Villan For Life]

I’m not comfortable with the thought of the Villa playing their homes games at another ground in the West Midlands, even on a temporary basis.

[Risso]

If we had to share at the Molineux, they might let us put in temporary stands in the corners to increase the attendance. Issue with the Albion is it's 26,000, so no room for all season ticket holders. At least at the Custard Bowl, we'd have space for all season ticket holders.

Leicester should be 40,000 by then. The main benefits to that being, it's a short train ride or hop up the M69, but mainly, it's closer to me.

[algy]

The only thing that really makes sense that I can see in terms of Atairos is a new stadium that is part of a wider mixed use development that includes retail, leisure and residential. I can't see what else would provide them with a return on their investment, other than a possible sale of the club, but if Nas and Wes were considering that, I don't understand why they'd need investment from Atairos whose speciality is development.

Indeed, it all looks really strange - as if the only realistic explanation for their increased involvement is the one thing the club have specifically ruled out, ie stadium move.

Heck ruled out a stadium move; maybe it was simply expedient at the time of his comment. Like others, I think a stadium move seems most obvious right now.

Or a full scale redevelopment of Villa Park, the transport infrastructure and the environs.

Hopefully this.
Just where to play while it’s being built…

Alexander Stadium would be the obvious choice. Temporary stands like when we had the Commonwealth games made the capacity around 40k. We could play there for a couple of years while they redevelop Villa Park and the surrounding area.

It was 30k.

Can you imagine playing anywhere worse than that, though? With a big fucking athletics track around the pitch and a load of temporary stands open to the elements.

I'm also not sure how appropriate those temp stands would be for football, with the increased movement of the people in them, and for a winter sport, at least 23 times a year.

We'd be better off playing at Wolves, it'd make way more sense. Or even Albion.

Although if it was Albion, we'd clearly need to carry out a mass vaccination program before allowing our supporters to go there.

Wrexham have had a 'temporary' stand up for 2 seasons now.  It's not the most fun to sit in, being somewhat open to the elements, but it's fine.

Although the big problem there IMO is more the capacity.  There's no point moving to a stadium that isn't at least as big as Villa Park with the North Stand knocked down, for obvious reasons.

[Demitri_C]

If we had to share at the Molineux, they might let us put in temporary stands in the corners to increase the attendance. Issue with the Albion is it's 26,000, so no room for all season ticket holders. At least at the Custard Bowl, we'd have space for all season ticket holders.

Thats a good idea but then i guess will our owners be willing to pay those costs?

Nottingham forest would have been good but a bit of a trek

[FatSam]

I’m not comfortable with the thought of the Villa playing their homes games at another ground in the West Midlands, even on a temporary basis.

We will need to build a new ground elsewhere then, so we can continue to play at Villa Park until it is ready.

[LeeB]

If we had to share at the Molineux, they might let us put in temporary stands in the corners to increase the attendance. Issue with the Albion is it's 26,000, so no room for all season ticket holders. At least at the Custard Bowl, we'd have space for all season ticket holders.

There's not much capacity wise between Wulvz and Cov, the latter is more accessable, better equipped and owned by a 3rd party that just has cartoon pound signs for eyes.

If we had to share with anyone, it would be Cov.

[Drummond]

Yep, Ashley would love it. The money grabbing twat.

[FatSam]

There's no point moving to a stadium that isn't at least as big as Villa Park with the North Stand knocked down, for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately that is a fairly limited list of stadia, starting with Elland Road, and anything larger - so nothing anywhere near Birmingham. This is partly the reason why I can be convinced that we should relocate to a larger stadium closer to central Birmingham - because there is a gap in the market for a large arena in the region for a variety of events, with football front and centre. If we don't get in there first, someone else eventually will.