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[Drummond]

If you can get 1.8 supporters/fans (take your pick) in per 1 at the moment, then that would give us a good chunk more for doing not very much. Fill in the corners, redevelop the Witton Lane and make it steeper, and you'd be pretty much there.

Possibly.  I remain sceptical that they will allow densities to increase that much for safe standing, but we'll see.

I'm not sure the Witton can be much steeper.  I've only been in there a few times but in the upper i'm pretty sure the seat back in front is more at ankle height than knee height like the Holte.

But if we do have a plan that we could go up to 60k in the future if needed at our current site and the new North stand is built with that in mind then, then I'd be absolutely delighted.  I like aesthetics and tradition, but a ground that allows us to compete at the top level is more improtant to me.

I'm sceptical too, it's a big risk letting in a lot more unless much is done to improve safety and emergency exits etc.

I've not been in the Witton for a long time, but I could still see it being steeper. The Parc des Princes is a brilliant stadium for being steep and close to the pitch.

[chrisw1]

The Parc des Princes is fantastic.  As is the Millenium in Cardiff.

[hipkiss92]

Safe standing won't make any difference to capacity of whichever part of a stand it is introduced because the seat, even though it is fixed in the 'up' position to allow you to stand is still sold as a seat.

According to Purslow technology and new regulations means it's something like 1.8 standing capacity for every old seat.

That's interesting, and quite a capacity increase. That's a lot of extra people, and weight, for the stand to cope with.

I was at a lecture once where it was mentioned that the factor of safety in structural building design accounts for something like 1000x the number of people that floor space would allow for, so you would suffocate long before the building collapses. I expect capacity would be limited by things like emergency exits rather than any structural requirements.

[exigo]

Once they've done the North stand, would think it would be *relatively* straightforward to 'shift' the Holte Suite out towards the car park, open up the lower concourse behind L4 and L5 and then have enough space to get a safety certificate for safe standing in the existing lower Holte.

[Sexual Ealing]

Apropos of eff-all, we need a new badge. Look how insipid ours looks compared to every single other club's on this backdrop. It's terrible.

[FatSam]

Apropos of eff-all, we need a new badge. Look how insipid ours looks compared to every single other club's on this backdrop. It's terrible.

Agreed

[Rory]

Apropos of eff-all, we need a new badge. Look how insipid ours looks compared to every single other club's on this backdrop. It's terrible.

It's something that was evident from the start. There is no contrast in there, it's just light colour on top of a huge block of light colour. I never liked the Lerner badge. It looks like something made of Lego.

Whatever else happens this summer, I'd like to see a new badge, preferably circular. We have the richest and most beautiful colours in world football, we shouldn't have to make do with a pale monstrosity.

[john e]

The badge design is rubbish

[paul_e]

Apropos of eff-all, we need a new badge. Look how insipid ours looks compared to every single other club's on this backdrop. It's terrible.

It's something that was evident from the start. There is no contrast in there, it's just light colour on top of a huge block of light colour. I never liked the Lerner badge. It looks like something made of Lego.

Whatever else happens this summer, I'd like to see a new badge, preferably circular. We have the richest and most beautiful colours in world football, we shouldn't have to make do with a pale monstrosity.

Yep, it's the contrast between the blue and yellow that's the big problem. Even a claret outline to the lion with no other changes would be an instant improvement. The other big change I'd make is to make the star more prominent rather than it looking like something for the 'cat' to play with. Make it a clear line under the club name to show we have plans for there to be more of them in the future.

[VILLA MOLE]

Has there been any discussions with  the club on changing the badge ?

[eamonn]

It's down on the to-do list between getting a marvellous upgrade on Nakamba and getting the new North Stand in ship-shape.

[TonyD]

These guys must be quite concerned.

Do they back SG with big money in the summer based purely on blind faith.

Or do they show him and Purslow the door.

I think it will be the latter after the Man City game. 

[Goldenballs]

I can't see them getting rid, I'd be shocked, they gave Smith bags of time. A little bit too much in my opinion.

[pauliewalnuts]

There is absolutely no chance of them getting rid at the end of the season, none whatsoever.

[TonyD]

Even if the only point(s) we pick up is against Norwich?