NSWE Investment

[Drummond]

Safe standing won't make any difference to capacity of whichever part of a stand it is introduced because the seat, even though it is fixed in the 'up' position to allow you to stand is still sold as a seat.

According to Purslow technology and new regulations means it's something like 1.8 standing capacity for every old seat.

That's interesting, and quite a capacity increase. That's a lot of extra people, and weight, for the stand to cope with.

[Richard E]

I’ve just got to find 0.8 of a friend to take with me to the match now .

[Ads]

Lower Holte would go up to 14,000.

[pauliewalnuts]

I’ve just got to find 0.8 of a friend to take with me to the match now .

We could friend share. I'll find 0.4.

[SoccerHQ]

Was at Spurs on Saturday, was gutted when the Brighton goal went in ....

Anyhow,  I was in one the safe standing areas at the back of the South Stand.  Obviously everyone was standing as opposed to sitting because they could and the rails were there.

It wasn't a great experience.  The sight lines weren't right and from what I could see there was no way of getting more people on standing compared to sitting when that becomes a possibility.   

If it's not working in such an otherwise brilliant stadium then I wonder whether if it's worth it.

It's simply not going to be like the 70s and 80s with surging crowds after goals and piss running down the sides.

Will be more controlled which it simply has to be, at least be happy clubs are getting the choice now and up to them where and how they implement standing sections.

Was up at the back of the Holte in the corner where Brigada used to be and didn't sit down once during the match so that might be a decent area to convert to some rail seats on a trial basis. Think in the distant past that little corner between Holte and Trinity was mooted aswell.

[SoccerHQ]

We've had railing at Stamford Bridge, Tottenham and Anfield so far this season. Can't recall it being elsewhere.

Know Chelsea were the first to bring it in, camera cut to all the Man. United fans leaving at 4-0 and could see railings in that section.

It makes sense considering vast majority of away fans stand up in the lower tiers and would imagine it would be pretty easy to put in the lower witton.

[Brazilian Villain]

I’ve just got to find 0.8 of a friend to take with me to the match now .

We could friend share. I'll find 0.4.

Do you know Barry Bannan?

[chrisw1]

I'm a bit confused now re the feed back from the FSG meeting on the redev.  I think they said we would be looking at c50k after the first phase.  But David Michael on MOMS said we'd be aiming for 60k in a 10 year plan.  Other than a bit extra from safe standing and maybe filling the corners in at a later date, finding an an extra 10k (from 50 to 60k) after the main north stand is rebuilt sounds ambitious to me.

I'm looking forward to seeing the proposals. 

[Drummond]

If you can get 1.8 supporters/fans (take your pick) in per 1 at the moment, then that would give us a good chunk more for doing not very much. Fill in the corners, redevelop the Witton Lane and make it steeper, and you'd be pretty much there.

[olaftab]

I’ve just got to find 0.8 of a friend to take with me to the match now .

Isn’t a friend more of a problem rather than size?

[nigel]

I'm a bit confused now re the feed back from the FSG meeting on the redev.  I think they said we would be looking at c50k after the first phase.  But David Michael on MOMS said we'd be aiming for 60k in a 10 year plan.  Other than a bit extra from safe standing and maybe filling the corners in at a later date, finding an an extra 10k (from 50 to 60k) after the main north stand is rebuilt sounds ambitious to me.

I'm looking forward to seeing the proposals.

As it is I suppose the new North Stand development would take the capacity to about 52k (all seating)
If we had the lower Holte and lower Witton Lane as safe standing I’d guess an extra 8k is well within reach.
They could leave Witton Lane alone and, depending on design, have safe standing in the new North Stand.

[chrisw1]

If you can get 1.8 supporters/fans (take your pick) in per 1 at the moment, then that would give us a good chunk more for doing not very much. Fill in the corners, redevelop the Witton Lane and make it steeper, and you'd be pretty much there.

Possibly.  I remain sceptical that they will allow densities to increase that much for safe standing, but we'll see.

I'm not sure the Witton can be much steeper.  I've only been in there a few times but in the upper i'm pretty sure the seat back in front is more at ankle height than knee height like the Holte.

But if we do have a plan that we could go up to 60k in the future if needed at our current site and the new North stand is built with that in mind then, then I'd be absolutely delighted.  I like aesthetics and tradition, but a ground that allows us to compete at the top level is more improtant to me.

[eamonn]

Wasn't it mentioned that there are no plans for safe-standing in this phase of the North Stand development?

[chrisw1]

Wasn't it mentioned that there are no plans for safe-standing in this phase of the North Stand development?

Correct, but we can retro fit in lower Holte and possibly Witton if we want.

[Drummond]

I’ve just got to find 0.8 of a friend to take with me to the match now .

Isn’t a friend more of a problem rather than size?

If you chop their head off, that's not really a concern.