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[Drummond]

Who builds the travel infrastructure? Who makes Aston somewhere you'd want to visit right now for a drink, something to eat etc? How do you bridge the city centre to get that foot traffic all year round?

Talking one way systems and increasing staffing costs as if its a panacea, meanwhile West Ham win trophies and qualify for European football on a regular basis.

People make the atmosphere. The Emirates was far nosier yesterday than Highbury, even with all the Tally Ho Tarquins. That away end was raucous. Classic dumps like the Molineux impinge the ability to create an atmosphere. What would stop me or anybody on the current Holte singing on a much bigger version? Where people.will have more ale in them because they've actually been served?

Given one of our new directors has done the infrastructure rail thing, and it's actively being considered already, then I'd say it's already progressing, wouldn't you?

People will visit if there's more there, our site and, importantly, the land around it can accommodate plenty of stuff.

There are inner city areas across the country that were desolate waste grounds that are now thriving communities with leisure facilities as well as housing etc. Of course it can be done.

The away end is always raucous regardless of which ground it is. The issue for most grounds is the home support, and it's almost always more lively in older grounds, isn't it?

They can be served where we are, some areas are better than others for some reason, possibly to convince people that a move is a good idea!

Everyone moans about West Ham and the shit experience as an away fan. In a stadium they got for fuck all that's got shit facilities around it.

There isn't anywhere in the city centre that's big enough, is there? So does that leave the NEC? Whoopie fucking don't to that.

[paul_e]

Would the Smithfield site even be big enough? The footprint of VP is massive. Not only that but the traffic up Sherlock St would be fucking mental after a game. With that said, as it’s right next to Sherlock St, the noses wouldn’t be able to find it if we ever got them in a cup tie.

Including the shop, stumps, car parks and the holte pub VP is about 17.5 acres but it's too long and thin to really take advantage of much of that space.

The Smithfields site is about 43 acres and generally a much better shape, it would still have loads of room for other developments even if we plonked a 60k stadium in the middle.

Whilst we're at it:
The Rupert St Gas towers site is about 27 acres and pretty much the perfect shape for a stadium and all the facilities we'd need.

[Risso]

Gentrification usually happens slowly and spreads out gradually though, but the crucial thing is you have to have some sort of infrastructure there in the first place.  It usually includes wealthier people moving into the area and displacing the less well off people who are there already. I honestly can't see that happening in Aston.

[oldhill_avfc]

Based on a stroll through Cathedral Square last Friday evening, there wasn’t much evidence of it (gentrification) there either.

Far better to keep out of the city centre.  It’s a mess.  A hotch potch of districts that are are a never ending cycle of regeneration and never seem finished.

[PeterWithe]

Have we ever seen gentrification in Birmingham outside of the city centre? Maybe Stirchley ? Genuine question as I don't really spend any time in the South of the city.

[garyellis]

When the results were shown on TV yesterday what was noticeable to me because of our recent discussions was the home attendances. They were all above 60k!

[London Villan]

Moseley, Kings Heath, Bearwood all massively different than 20years ago. Gentrification everywhere. Add the back streets of ladywood too.

[john e]

There’s a lot of new build stadiums and training parks in and around the Etihad but it’s still an absolute shit hole round there there’s no gentrification I can tell you

And it’s a nightmare to get out of there by car far worse than VP

[oldhill_avfc]

Have we ever seen gentrification in Birmingham outside of the city centre? Maybe Stirchley ? Genuine question as I don't really spend any time in the South of the city.

Harbourne and kings Heath dragged up Stirchley.  Which is down to the University and QE, rather than anything intrinsic to the area itself.

So if it can be done there then why not Aston?

[ChicagoLion]

We can argue as much as we like about moving or staying, at some point we will be told ( not asked not consulted) told by the club and we can either like it or lump it.

[London Villan]

You’ve just said it there. The QE and Uni employ thousands of well paid staff. Harborne on a weekday lunchtime is a busy as most high streets on a weekend.

[pauliewalnuts]

Have we ever seen gentrification in Birmingham outside of the city centre? Maybe Stirchley ? Genuine question as I don't really spend any time in the South of the city.

Harbourne and kings Heath dragged up Stirchley.  Which is down to the University and QE, rather than anything intrinsic to the area itself.

So if it can be done there then why not Aston?

Which are the adjacent areas that will have their high earners spill over into Aston?

[dave.woodhall]

Have we ever seen gentrification in Birmingham outside of the city centre? Maybe Stirchley ? Genuine question as I don't really spend any time in the South of the city.

Harbourne and kings Heath dragged up Stirchley.  Which is down to the University and QE, rather than anything intrinsic to the area itself.

So if it can be done there then why not Aston?

Moseley was a right hole some years ago, as was Kings Heath.

[pauliewalnuts]

Based on a stroll through Cathedral Square last Friday evening, there wasn’t much evidence of it (gentrification) there either.

Far better to keep out of the city centre.  It’s a mess.  A hotch potch of districts that are are a never ending cycle of regeneration and never seem finished.

Jesus, check out Joseph Chamberlain here.

[pauliewalnuts]

Have we ever seen gentrification in Birmingham outside of the city centre? Maybe Stirchley ? Genuine question as I don't really spend any time in the South of the city.

Harbourne and kings Heath dragged up Stirchley.  Which is down to the University and QE, rather than anything intrinsic to the area itself.

So if it can be done there then why not Aston?

Moseley was a right hole some years ago, as was Kings Heath.

My Dad was born and brought up in Stirchley, but, being in his 80s and not too mobile, hasn't been there for about 20 years at least. I told him it was trendy now and he couldn't believe it.