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Offline Demitri_C

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3240 on: December 01, 2021, 07:42:24 AM »
For all its faults regarding transport, the great asset Villa Park enjoys is two stations and two motorway junctions. I can't think of anywhere else in the city where we could get that.

Thats the problem it has all of this and its still a shambles getting home. When i went spurs its double what we have in terms of capacity and terrible for congestion but you can still get home easier than villa park.


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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3241 on: December 01, 2021, 08:59:24 AM »
In terms of car park, it wouldn't necessarily have to be a full on multi storey - a simple open air 2 deck car park would be relatively cheap and more than compensate for any parking lost by the redev.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3242 on: December 01, 2021, 09:37:40 AM »
You'd wonder if the Star City site would be an option, its struggled for years. Or the area along the spine road where the HS2 Enabling yard is.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3243 on: December 01, 2021, 10:00:37 AM »
For all its faults regarding transport, the great asset Villa Park enjoys is two stations and two motorway junctions. I can't think of anywhere else in the city where we could get that.
It really shouldn't be that difficult considering.
Even though there's two stations it's the same stretch of track. Maybe they could try 1 or 2 football specials northbound Witton only and City centre Aston only. But again with no co-operation from the train providers it's very difficult. Again ANDY STREET where are you?

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3244 on: December 01, 2021, 10:01:31 AM »
On an interminable conference call with Flin5tone.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3245 on: December 01, 2021, 10:22:54 AM »
For all its faults regarding transport, the great asset Villa Park enjoys is two stations and two motorway junctions. I can't think of anywhere else in the city where we could get that.
It really shouldn't be that difficult considering.
Even though there's two stations it's the same stretch of track. Maybe they could try 1 or 2 football specials northbound Witton only and City centre Aston only. But again with no co-operation from the train providers it's very difficult. Again ANDY STREET where are you?

That would send most away fans towards Aston, which is exactly what the current system tries to avoid.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3246 on: December 01, 2021, 10:32:41 AM »
Pity there’s not a site near the new Curzon St station where we could build. I’d love a new state of the art stadium in the city centre.

Something someone told me the other day is that HS2 goes mainly underground from the turn off spur to Curzon St, if thats the case maybe there are lots of above ground options all along the route?

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3247 on: December 01, 2021, 10:37:39 AM »
Pity there’s not a site near the new Curzon St station where we could build. I’d love a new state of the art stadium in the city centre.

Something someone told me the other day is that HS2 goes mainly underground from the turn off spur to Curzon St, if thats the case maybe there are lots of above ground options all along the route?

Maybe, but I doubt anything would be sanctioned which might impact on HS2 construction, so that rules it until about  2099.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3248 on: December 01, 2021, 11:21:02 AM »
Again ANDY STREET where are you?

In California, albeit 16 miles from Villa Park. https://tinyurl.com/yuaztc8n

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3249 on: December 01, 2021, 11:24:57 AM »
I'd be happy with a 50,000 capacity as it will cover demand for the next 5 to 10 years and it's doable architecturally with adjustments to the current ground.  Anything above for an all-seater stadium is tricky but doable at a cost.  A great cost.  It would mean road lay out changes, Housing purchases, transport upgrades etc which is all less viable. Safe standing if it actually becomes a thing could get us to 60,000 within most of the current footprint. A completely new North Stand would be required for this.

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« Reply #3250 on: December 01, 2021, 11:35:53 AM »
I'd be happy with a 50,000 capacity as it will cover demand for the next 5 to 10 years and it's doable architecturally with adjustments to the current ground.  Anything above for an all-seater stadium is tricky but doable at a cost.  A great cost.  It would mean road lay out changes, Housing purchases, transport upgrades etc which is all less viable. Safe standing if it actually becomes a thing could get us to 60,000 within most of the current footprint. A completely new North Stand would be required for this.

All that sounds good to me, 50-60k would be plenty.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3251 on: December 01, 2021, 11:59:15 AM »
Emotions aside, one of the major factors against moving away from Villa park is the land would undoubtedly be worth far less than any site we’d want to move to.  I suspect a lot of the other teams that made the decision to move to a completely new build stadium, the financials made much more sense as there was significant value in redeveloping their previous site.

We would be far better investing in the infrastructure and an upgrade of Villa park to get us just north of 50k which should serve us fine for the foreseeable.  I’m also not convinced trying to plan parking and transport around the majority of fans driving to within half a mile of the ground. 

They should be looking at co-ordinated parking away from the ground with better transport links to shuttle fans.  The sad fact is, other than the game itself there’s very little reason for fans to spend more time in the area pre and post match, so we’ll always have the challenge of everyone arriving and leaving within the same time frame.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3252 on: December 01, 2021, 12:24:26 PM »
Emotions aside, one of the major factors against moving away from Villa park is the land would undoubtedly be worth far less than any site we’d want to move to.  I suspect a lot of the other teams that made the decision to move to a completely new build stadium, the financials made much more sense as there was significant value in redeveloping their previous site.


Depends where we want to move to. For a logistics company, land that close to J6 of the M6 could be very valuable.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3253 on: December 01, 2021, 12:39:17 PM »
Emotions aside, one of the major factors against moving away from Villa park is the land would undoubtedly be worth far less than any site we’d want to move to.  I suspect a lot of the other teams that made the decision to move to a completely new build stadium, the financials made much more sense as there was significant value in redeveloping their previous site.


Depends where we want to move to. For a logistics company, land that close to J6 of the M6 could be very valuable.
I'm no expert on these things but I would guess that you'd have a problem with getting permission for that in a residential area

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3254 on: December 01, 2021, 12:45:53 PM »
Maybe we'd have 2 Villa Parks. The current one for the Academy and Women.... Effectively redevelop the site and create a community hub, with lots of different activities.

 


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