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[olaftab]

Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.

In a choice between the two, there's no contest.

That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.

PL standard argument is nonsense. Moyse has had 11 years Lambert just 3 and we all remember early on when Everton were nearly relegated.

[supertom]

Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.

In a choice between the two, there's no contest.

That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.

At least Lambert has achieved things with promotions up the divisions
Moyes has achieved nothing absolutely nothing apart from keeping a big club in the prem by playing safe boring football in the main

Wow

Moyes did more than just keep Everton up. They're on a lower mid-table budget and they've stayed pretty much around the top 8 for most of his time, including a 4th placed finish, several 5th place finishes too.
If Lambert ever achieves that I'll eat my left hand.
I'm not saying Lamberts own achievements aren't impressive, but long term I don't think he has enough in his locker. I see him as another Paul Jewell. He'll have his stint in the top flight before dropping back down to his level.

Although to clarify I wouldn't particularly want Moyes here. In a direct choice between him and Lambert, I'd choose Moyes but I'm hoping for a more interesting choice this summer (IF we do get a new manager).

[john e]

It's hard to say he isn't a PL standard manager after three seasons and zero relegations. Time might prove he isn't up to it, and he may well be the wrong manager for us right now, doesn't mean he isn't PL standard though imo.

If I were gonna guess I'd say he's destined to head the Paul Jewell route. We shall see.

who moyes, yes I agree

[Dave]

Moyes did more than just keep Everton up. They're on a lower mid-table budget

I bet there aren't many lower mid-table sides who have spent £15m on a midfielder before.

[Monty]

Moyes has done more, but he's had more time to do more. The problem is that both of them are cut from a British cloth of a boringly familiar dye - the long balls, the reliance on big strikers, the poor passing, the feeling that hard work actually does make up for technique. I've had enough of this, whoever's serving it up.

[supertom]

Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.

In a choice between the two, there's no contest.

That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.

PL standard argument is nonsense. Moyse has had 11 years Lambert just 3 and we all remember early on when Everton were nearly relegated.

Could you see Lambert consistently finishing in European spots over a number of years?
Certain managers do well in lower leagues but just struggle at the highest level. Warnock, McCarthy, Jewell, Holloway. They've had a few years between them at this level as an example. Are they Premiership quality managers?

Everton spent years before Moyes came in almost getting relegated. He had his struggles early on but he steadied the ship and they've spent years in the top 8 now on peanuts.

[Toronto Villa]

Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.

In a choice between the two, there's no contest.

That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.

Moyes became a solid PL manager over the course of 10 years where along the way he made good decisions along with mistakes. Lambert has been doing it for 3 years at this level. I don't think it's fair to say Lambert isn't PL standard as a comparison to Moyes after just 3 years.

[john e]

Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.

In a choice between the two, there's no contest.

That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.

At least Lambert has achieved things with promotions up the divisions
Moyes has achieved nothing absolutely nothing apart from keeping a big club in the prem by playing safe boring football in the main

Wow

Moyes did more than just keep Everton up. They're on a lower mid-table budget and they've stayed pretty much around the top 8 for most of his time, including a 4th placed finish, several 5th place finishes too.
If Lambert ever achieves that I'll eat my left hand.
I'm not saying Lamberts own achievements aren't impressive, but long term I don't think he has enough in his locker. I see him as another Paul Jewell. He'll have his stint in the top flight before dropping back down to his level.

Although to clarify I wouldn't particularly want Moyes here. In a direct choice between him and Lambert, I'd choose Moyes but I'm hoping for a more interesting choice this summer (IF we do get a new manager).

the team he left are better now than when he was there, that in the first season of the new manager
the team he went to were champions and are now upper mid table, I hate man Utd but even I didn't dream he could be this disasterous, he has been brilliantly useless,

and you say he some good, no chance
Lambert s twice the manager that Moyes will ever be, he has achieved more in less time for a start, moyes is now a busted flush,

lambert has also been working in pretty difficult circumstances, far worse than anything he had to cope with at Everton

I'm not saying that Lambert is the answer for Villa, but Moyes is absolutely crap which he has just proved

[QBVILLA]

I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.

[supertom]

Moyes did more than just keep Everton up. They're on a lower mid-table budget

I bet there aren't many lower mid-table sides who have spent £15m on a midfielder before.

They don't spend big money often though. They were still finishing above Liverpool for several seasons and close to some of the big spenders.
That was also the reward for finishing in Europe. If you do it regularly, you get better players. They certainly didn't buy their position like some clubs.

Moyes of course isn't the most exciting manager in terms of style but one thing Everton had always looked under him, was efficient and well organised.
Very rarely do we look anything other than headless chickens under Lambert. Once he leaves here he'll be very fortunate if he gets a Premiership job to follow up.

[john e]

I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.

I don't know what the average league position is over the last 10 years, but I bet its close, we might even nick it with the 3 top 6 places
which if true just goes to show that Moyes been seen as suedo successful while we have been a running joke, yet not a lot in it,
 grass greener sydrome

[Toronto Villa]

I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.

First you don't know that Lambert couldn't improve our record with the right financial backing to something equivalent to Moyes. Second in the last 10 years McLeish won the league cup which is more than Moyes won at Everton. Does that eclipse Moyes' record at Everton of having won nothing at all?

[Damo70]

I think he needs a break after his time at United. He has aged ten years in less than twelve months. Even after a break I am not sure how well he will bounce back. I also think after his time at United the media will be waiting for him to mess up his next job too. He doesn't seem to have the bouncebackability factor of someone like BFR for example.

[supertom]

Since Everton finished 4th in 2005, their Premier League finishes under Moyes: 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th.

If that's crap then I'll happily take crap. Lambert just wouldn't be able to match that, even at a string of clubs and no matter his budget. Not without an exceptional coaching set up. No way, no how could he do that and Moyes isn't even a great manager. Lamberts punching above his weight and it shows.

[PeterWithesShin]

Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.

In a choice between the two, there's no contest.

That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.

PL standard argument is nonsense. Moyse has had 11 years Lambert just 3 and we all remember early on when Everton were nearly relegated.

Could you see Lambert consistently finishing in European spots over a number of years?
Certain managers do well in lower leagues but just struggle at the highest level. Warnock, McCarthy, Jewell, Holloway. They've had a few years between them at this level as an example. Are they Premiership quality managers?

Everton spent years before Moyes came in almost getting relegated. He had his struggles early on but he steadied the ship and they've spent years in the top 8 now on peanuts.

Didn't Moyes only qualify for Europe 4 times with Everton?