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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Shrek on April 21, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
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Looks like he is as good as gone http://mirr.im/1i7fbTn
Would people take him?
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I don't know. Taking a team that won the title last year and making them currently 13 points behind 4th place takes some doing.
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He was on a hiding to nothing from the start, doesn't make him a bad manager.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the push, would you trust him with £200 million in the summer?
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Had a bad season. You can't have those at the top club and survive.
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He was on a hiding to nothing from the start, doesn't make him a bad manager.
Have to agree. Regardless of how comfortably they won the league last year, the squad he inherited was very ordinary. That said, he didn't get the best out of what he had to work with, so can't have too many complaints.
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Wonder what the thinking is with regard to a replacement, there aren't the obvious choices there were last year, maybe Klopp?
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Not for me.
Can we try another nationality next please?
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nah Martinez is the man
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No thanks. Still hasn't won anything in his managerial career apart from Division 3. Charity Shield doesn't count imo. And this season could really affect him negatively.
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No thanks, he's fucking clueless.
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What a great judge of a manager that red nose old fucker is eh?
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Moyes was on a hiding for nothing, Fergie is soo smart, leaving when he did ha ha
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Absolutely NOT
We need a new fresh look and a new footballing philosophy to be put in place, not another graft and little else manager. I want to enjoy watching us play some actual football.
Moyes is (to my eyes) just going down the O'Neill/Lambert old school road of boring dated football. Emphasis on graft not skill.
I want a breath of fresh air.
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nah Martinez is the man
Is that the same Martinez who`s turned us down once already?, sorry, just asking.
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nah Martinez is the man
Is that the same Martinez who`s turned us down once already?, sorry, just asking.
The one who didn't even want an interview because he felt he still owed Wigan and Whelan, that's the one.
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Would not want Moyes. If he goes they must have a replacement lined up - Simeone?
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I'd have him i think he'd do a solid job here.
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Moyes was on a hiding for nothing, Fergie is soo smart, leaving when he did ha ha
Better to be the man who follows the man who follows the man than to be the man who follows the man
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Moyes was on a hiding for nothing, Fergie is soo smart, leaving when he did ha ha
How many current United players would get in Barca`s side, Munich, Real`s,Dortmund, even Citeh`s, NONE of them, it`s not just a patch up at Old Trafford thats needed, virtually the whole side needs overhauling, That crafty get Fergie knew it as well, much as i hate to say it because i loathe him - just shows what a great manger he was to win the title with a squad that one season later is struggling to finish anywhere near a European place. I like Moyes, and he`s been stitched up a bit.
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I wonder if they'd go for Van Gaal after the World Cup just to steady things and get back on track for a couple of years.
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Sign him up. I'm not so short sighted as to believe that the past 12 months of Moyes' career is a microcosm of his abilities as a manager. He is a fantastic servant to any club lucky enough to have him, and that next club should be Villa
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De Gea might get in a couple of those sides
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Think he will do well in his next job. Or bomb and become Owen Coyle MK III
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nah Martinez is the man
Is that the same Martinez who`s turned us down once already?, sorry, just asking.
The one who didn't even want an interview because he felt he still owed Wigan and Whelan, that's the one.
That mind-set didnt last too much longer did it??..
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Welbeck is on about leaving. Will the last person to leave the sinking ship please turn out the lights.
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A big NO from me. I'd rather stick with Lambert.
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Wonder what the thinking is with regard to a replacement, there aren't the obvious choices there were last year, maybe Klopp?
Maybe that is what has forced the move now. Some rumours are Klopp to us and Van Gaal to Spurs so they need to act now if they want one of those.
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nah Martinez is the man
Is that the same Martinez who`s turned us down once already?, sorry, just asking.
The one who didn't even want an interview because he felt he still owed Wigan and Whelan, that's the one.
That mind-set didnt last too much longer did it??..
Possibly with the relegation Whelan told him he could go with his blessing? And compensation to make up the cash loss probably helped? I've posted the quote before but Martinez had a real love for Wigan so wouldn't have been an easy decision for him to leave.
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A big NO from me. I'd rather stick with Lambert.
I wouldn't be massively in favour of Moyes, but lets not go over the top.
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Yes
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I'm not sure. He didn't win anything at Everton and they only used to hit a run of form during the second half of the season.
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nah Martinez is the man
Is that the same Martinez who`s turned us down once already?, sorry, just asking.
The one who didn't even want an interview because he felt he still owed Wigan and Whelan, that's the one.
That mind-set didnt last too much longer did it??..
Possibly with the relegation Whelan told him he could go with his blessing? And compensation to make up the cash loss probably helped? I've posted the quote before but Martinez had a real love for Wigan so wouldn't have been an easy decision for him to leave.
Wigan to Everton, hmmm thats a toughie isnt it? - nah, i`l stick to my guns on this one, turned us down once so, end of, theres no saying he`d come anywhere near us anyway with the way he`s progressing at Goodison, next stop somewhere in Spain for our Roberto i reckon.
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Klopp to us?
I suppose MON was judged optimistic at the time.
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Moyes - meh! Old school British coach/manager who's probably the new Martin O'Neill. Pass, need someone younger, more dynamic and more forward thinking.
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But. he spent 11 years at Goodison and only finished in the bottom half of the table twice in that time. Prior to that, Everton were a shambles. I'd take some of that at the moment.
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De Gea might get in a couple of those sides
They`re saying he`s going to be Man Us player of the season which doesn`t say much for the rest of them because he had a few dodgy moments earlier in the season.
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Wigan to Man U, hmmm thats a toughie isnt it? - nah, i`l stick to my guns on this one, turned us down once so, end of, theres no saying he`d come anywhere near us anyway with the way he`s progressing at Goodison, next stop somewhere in Spain for our Roberto i reckon.
He'd be nuts to leave Everton for us right now. But i'm on about a few years ago when we were interested. This is the bit I was on about.
I'm currently reading Northern Soul which is about Wigan and their first season in the top flight. It's quite interesting, and had these snippets which may be of interest/relevance to us.
As well as covering that season, there are a few flashbacks, one of which was about when Wigan signed the 3 Spaniards and the author spoke to Martinez who was playing for Swansea at the time (2006) and he said this. "The chairman said he had a five-year plan to get into the Premiership, in the end it took ten and my only regret was that I never got the chance to play for them when they got there. That would have been special. To me Wigan Athletic will always be my club, always be in my heart".
Which may be why he wanted to stay at Wigan this season?
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What a great judge of a manager that red nose old fucker is eh?
We know all about his bloody recommendations don't we?
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We've already got a manager.
You don't kick the wife out just because the horrible rich and arrogant couple round the corner are rumoured to be splitting up.
You lot have got no loyalty or morals have you!!
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It'd be a yes from me.
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But. he spent 11 years at Goodison and only finished in the bottom half of the table twice in that time. Prior to that, Everton were a shambles. I'd take some of that at the moment.
Makes sense to me. Who else realistically could we get and would want to come here to manage this awful team..... not many.
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No thanks I'd like someone who's a bit more progressive.
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Moyes would be ok to a point, but I don't see him ever making a top level manager. He's like the Stewart Downing of managers. Europa League is about his level.
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Wigan to Man U, hmmm thats a toughie isnt it? - nah, i`l stick to my guns on this one, turned us down once so, end of, theres no saying he`d come anywhere near us anyway with the way he`s progressing at Goodison, next stop somewhere in Spain for our Roberto i reckon.
He'd be nuts to leave Everton for us right now. But i'm on about a few years ago when we were interested. This is the bit I was on about.
I'm currently reading Northern Soul which is about Wigan and their first season in the top flight. It's quite interesting, and had these snippets which may be of interest/relevance to us.
As well as covering that season, there are a few flashbacks, one of which was about when Wigan signed the 3 Spaniards and the author spoke to Martinez who was playing for Swansea at the time (2006) and he said this. "The chairman said he had a five-year plan to get into the Premiership, in the end it took ten and my only regret was that I never got the chance to play for them when they got there. That would have been special. To me Wigan Athletic will always be my club, always be in my heart".
Which may be why he wanted to stay at Wigan this season?
Certifiable!!, i`d really like to think they make decisions as much with their hearts as with their agents but i dunno.
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No thanks I'd like someone who's a bit more progressive.
Rick Wakeman or Peter Gabriel ?
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Moyes would be ok to a point, but I don't see him ever making a top level manager. He's like the Stewart Downing of managers. Europa League is about his level.
I would venture the opinion that Europa League football is very far away from where we are at the moment.
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Not sure
He would certainly have something to prove if he gets the sack at MU.
Would he be damaged goods though?
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I would sign up Moyes in an instant. As I said much earlier in the day he is a very good manager who has had to deal with a rapidly ageing squad at Man Utd. No one else of that quality available in this country. If these two Texans do take over (and both are very much like Randy in a lot of respects) we are notl likely to see a lot of money coming into the club but enough to tempt David Moyes to give it a go.
Ive had a look at the Charles Laughton site and they seem to be decent law abiding people who....keep costs down!
So dont expect world domination.
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No thanks I'd like someone who's a bit more progressive.
Rick Wakeman or Peter Gabriel ?
That was pretty funny (and I won't say "for you")
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I think the problem with Moyes is we'd see a lot of the same football we've been complaining about. He's pretty direct in the way he sets up his teams.
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If Man U pay him off handsomely -as they have to do as he signed a 6 year contract(!)
He will then have what Brian Clough called 'Fuck off money' after his Leeds payoff -enough to tell anyone to fuck off if he doesn't think he is getting his way.
This made Clough confident enough to take the Forest job and do it his way -leading a shit second division side to become double European champions.
I don't think Moyes could do that with us mind you -our squad is not that good!
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The state we are in at the moment even a sacked Moyes wouldn't take a second look at us..He inherited some shit at United but at villa he would inherit the whole sewage works..!.that's how low we have sunk
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If Man U pay him off handsomely -as they have to do as he signed a 6 year contract(!)
He will then have what Brian Clough called 'Fuck off money' after his Leeds payoff -enough to tell anyone to fuck off if he doesn't think he is getting his way.
This made Clough confident enough to take the Forest job and do it his way -leading a shit second division side to become double European champions.
I don't think Moyes could do that with us mind you -our squad is not that good!
And Moyes is no Clough
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If Man U pay him off handsomely -as they have to do as he signed a 6 year contract(!)
He will then have what Brian Clough called 'Fuck off money' after his Leeds payoff -enough to tell anyone to fuck off if he doesn't think he is getting his way.
This made Clough confident enough to take the Forest job and do it his way -leading a shit second division side to become double European champions.
I don't think Moyes could do that with us mind you -our squad is not that good!
Apparently there is a 'break' clause in his contract that means they won't pay up the full 5 years remaining. I don't think we'll be seeing him signing on mind.
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I would sign up Moyes in an instant. As I said much earlier in the day he is a very good manager who has had to deal with a rapidly ageing squad at Man Utd. No one else of that quality available in this country. If these two Texans do take over (and both are very much like Randy in a lot of respects) we are notl likely to see a lot of money coming into the club but enough to tempt David Moyes to give it a go.
Ive had a look at the Charles Laughton site and they seem to be decent law abiding people who....keep costs down!
So dont expect world domination.
I don't think his squad is that old, he has managed to take a team that won the league by 11 points and then turned them into an average team. It's a no from me.
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If Man U pay him off handsomely -as they have to do as he signed a 6 year contract(!)
He will then have what Brian Clough called 'Fuck off money' after his Leeds payoff -enough to tell anyone to fuck off if he doesn't think he is getting his way.
This made Clough confident enough to take the Forest job and do it his way -leading a shit second division side to become double European champions.
I don't think Moyes could do that with us mind you -our squad is not that good!
And Moyes is no Clough
He might be Nigel Clough
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Big no for Moyes...a big no for any manager from UK from me. We need manager from abroad with new set of fresh ideas and new way of playing football. Moyes plays turgid style of football and he doesn't instill me with confidence.
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Would be nice to avoid Scotland next time
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There's a forgotten man in all of this. A hero who had the foresight to stand up for what he believed in.
He deserves immense credit, but what will Moyes_Must_Go change his twitter handle to now?
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Klopp will go to Man Utd
Moyes is as boring as fuck
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How much has he spent since he joined Manu U? £50m? £60m?
Plus, he would have sanctioned £300k per week for shrek.
His judgement is as fucking clouded as Lambert's, I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.
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Apparently Bob Simpson when asked about the kind of person he likes to hire said 'the quiet ace,(sorry Jose) likeable(sorry Jose) friendly(sorry Sir Alex) humble (sorry Jose) and gets along with other people (sorry Mr Pardew).
Lambert might be stopping on!
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There's a forgotten man in all of this. A hero who had the foresight to stand up for what he believed in.
He deserves immense credit, but what will Moyes_Must_Go change his twitter handle to now?
It's party time at the crispy duck
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The ginger goblin? No thanks.
No more British/Irish managers for us thank you.
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How much has he spent since he joined Manu U? £50m? £60m?
Plus, he would have sanctioned £300k per week for shrek.
His judgement is as fucking clouded as Lambert's, I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.
About £60m. On 3 players (one is yet to play for them) when the squad needs a major rebuild. The man is a genius.
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What a great judge of a manager that red nose old fucker is eh?
We know all about his bloody recommendations don't we?
I reckon he does it deliberetely just to make himself look good the egotistical old bastard.
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Havent we had enough dour scots? Surely we need a new approach, probably an overseas coach.
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Manchester United are offering no comment on reports that David Moyes is set to be sacked as manager.
Various newspapers have claimed the club will dispense with the Scot's services as early as this week following a poor season.
However, the club declined to comment when contacted by BBC Sport.
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Good club Manager, I'd take him any day ....
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Think he'd set us up pretty much the same as MON. It worked for us then, but I think that way of playing has maybe had its day.
I'd rather try and get a manager who will get us to pass and play like Southampton/Liverpool (can't believe I said that - I feel sick)/Arsenal/Swansea (who I think are much better than their position suggests).
However, he'd be better than PL, but then so is TSM.
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Moyes is a good manager, but i think what we need is someone who will totally change the way the club plays football.
I can't see him being the man to do that.
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I'd rather keep Lambert than have Moyes
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No thanks. Moyes is the past. I want to see us appoint someone for the future, not some old-fashioned British ex-pro who doesn't know how to set up a side without a big lump up front.
When Lambert was appointed, he was vaunted as being a pragmatic sort with a horses for courses approach. I thought that might be an advantage, but in hindsight I think it's turned out to be a millstone. Having a single-minded ethos - like Wenger or Martinez' commitment to football on the deck - might not guarantee success, but at least it shows you have a plan about what you want to achieve. With Lambert, I genuinely can't work out what he's trying to do.
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Moyes is a good manager, but i think what we need is someone who will totally change the way the club plays football.
I can't see him being the man to do that.
Agree entirely. We need a change in philosophy and Moyes would be essentially the same.
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No thank you. I am already fed up of not winning any cups and I don't care if he manages 8th every year for the next 10 years.
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Not for me.
Can we try another nationality next please?
You mean someone from Edinburgh rather than Glasgow?
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A year ago I'd have said yes. Now I'm not sure. He's not suddenly a bad manager and I'm sure he could do great things at a club like ourselves. My main issue is whether or not the Utd gig has taken its toll on him. He may well be damaged goods at the moment. I think he needs to go to a smaller club than ourselves next up, or take a year off.
He took on the most high pressure gig in English football, possibly even the World, given the legacy Fergie left behind and the length of time he'd been there. He inherited a pretty average squad (two good forwards but a very ordinary defence and midfield), given it had just won the title, and he was expected to play a brand of football he wasn't known for at Everton. He was always on a hiding to nothing going there. It was a job only one of the elite managers could have stepped into, like Mourinho for example, who'd have come in with respect readily forth coming. He looks like he's aged about 10 years in this one season. I feel sorry for the guy to be honest. It's a gig you can't really turn down if you have the ambition Moyes does, but at the same time, as he's found out. The liklihood was that he was on a hiding to nothing.
I'd also like to have a break from Scottish managers. We've had TSM and now TOSM. If we then have TOOSM it's just getting silly.
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Damaged goods. No thanks
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The irony of Moyes being available as Lerner is about to leave. You couldn't have made it up. Maybe Alanis can stick that in a song.
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hope they dont sack him
hes doing a fine job.
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He does deserve a second season
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He deserves a lifetime contract.
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Just our luck for Man U to be managerless the week they play Naaaarich.
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No thanks. Moyes is the past. I want to see us appoint someone for the future, not some old-fashioned British ex-pro who doesn't know how to set up a side without a big lump up front.
When Lambert was appointed, he was vaunted as being a pragmatic sort with a horses for courses approach. I thought that might be an advantage, but in hindsight I think it's turned out to be a millstone. Having a single-minded ethos - like Wenger or Martinez' commitment to football on the deck - might not guarantee success, but at least it shows you have a plan about what you want to achieve. With Lambert, I genuinely can't work out what he's trying to do.
Completely agree.
For Martinez and Rodgers, even if their teams are on a bad run or lack a cutting edge, they don't abandon their principles and start smashing it long.
Same with Sawnsea and Southampton this season.
Lambert wouldn't have been my first choice back in 2012 (he wouldn't have been way down the list either, mind) as I was a bit concerned at his preference for having two big lumps up top at Norwich. That side still displayed more attacking intent than McLeish's rabble and this seasons vintage too, it must be said.
In truth, I didn't see Liverpool going for Rodgers or Martinez. I thought they'd have aimed higher. But both at that stage would have been good for us. They wouldn't have been coming in with the demands for top 4/ European qualification within 2 years, but they would get breathing space - if the football was seen to be progressive.
The financial restrictions that PL has had to contend with naturally have to be factored in, but a number of clubs with less income and even bigger restrictions vis a vis wages have managed to play football with far more flair and imagination than us.
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Well, aren't we a choosy bunch? David Moyes? Yes please. Unless there is a takeover, the Moyes would be perfect. Remember, if there is a takeover and we have lots of money to spend, it will have to be spent steadily. No one at the very top of their games is going to jump at the chance of joining Villa, if they have other offers. Let's not delude ourselves.
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Well, aren't we a choosy bunch? David Moyes? Yes please. Unless there is a takeover, the Moyes would be perfect. Remember, if there is a takeover and we have lots of money to spend, it will have to be spent steadily. No one at the very top of their games is going to jump at the chance of joining Villa, if they have other offers. Let's not delude ourselves.
Some one at the top of there game at a 'smaller' club than Villa or from Europe might
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There's a forgotten man in all of this. A hero who had the foresight to stand up for what he believed in.
He deserves immense credit, but what will Moyes_Must_Go change his twitter handle to now?
Hasn't affected CanCarew/BentBeBothered posting on here.
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There's a forgotten man in all of this. A hero who had the foresight to stand up for what he believed in.
He deserves immense credit, but what will Moyes_Must_Go change his twitter handle to now?
James Brown @jamesjamesbrown 52m
@Moyes_Must_Go will you continue when Moyes has gone? You are the key figure in his removal as far as I can tell. The Boris Yeltsin.
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Well, aren't we a choosy bunch? David Moyes? Yes please. Unless there is a takeover, the Moyes would be perfect. Remember, if there is a takeover and we have lots of money to spend, it will have to be spent steadily. No one at the very top of their games is going to jump at the chance of joining Villa, if they have other offers. Let's not delude ourselves.
Spot on. Among all the "No thanks" and "in the past", etc, etc, who are these great alternatives to bring in the attacking, attractive football and lead us to cup glories?
It's academic anyway. Even a jobless Moyes, wouldn't touch Villa with a barge pole.
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Well, aren't we a choosy bunch? David Moyes? Yes please. Unless there is a takeover, the Moyes would be perfect. Remember, if there is a takeover and we have lots of money to spend, it will have to be spent steadily. No one at the very top of their games is going to jump at the chance of joining Villa, if they have other offers. Let's not delude ourselves.
Some one at the top of there game at a 'smaller' club than Villa or from Europe might
Quite, I don't think we have to have such a limited scope.
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Yes please. Moyes would be ideal for Villa.
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Well, aren't we a choosy bunch? David Moyes? Yes please. Unless there is a takeover, the Moyes would be perfect. Remember, if there is a takeover and we have lots of money to spend, it will have to be spent steadily. No one at the very top of their games is going to jump at the chance of joining Villa, if they have other offers. Let's not delude ourselves.
Spot on. Among all the "No thanks" and "in the past", etc, etc, who are these great alternatives to bring in the attacking, attractive football and lead us to cup glories?
It's academic anyway. Even a jobless Moyes, wouldn't touch Villa with a barge pole.
Quite he has to go to Spurs first.
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No thanks my mate who is an Everton fan couldn't stand him and would often tell me just how boring they were to watch at home he gave up his season ticket in the end because of him.
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Why Sky News pisses me off part 7,987. Breaking news: Sky sources: Manchester United manager David Moyes could be sacked within 24 hours.
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Moyes was on a hiding for nothing, Fergie is soo smart, leaving when he did ha ha
agree he new a lot of the players were on last legs
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Yes please. Moyes would be ideal for Villa.
I just don't get this
The man is the most boring manager alive apart from TSM, why on earth would he be ideal for us
MON- Lambert-Moyes - no difference whatsoever
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Straight no. Imagine giving the knockers on any Villa forum an immediate "fancy signing him when he has just completely dismantled a winning champions team " head start ? Need a manager with a different philosophy, who wants his team to play football ........
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I'd be quite happy with Moyes. Doesn't play Total Football but has never resorted to Allardycean/Pulesesque tactics either.
He'd be a bit of a gamble, after a fairly disastrous spell at Manure, but far less of a gamble than many of the likely candidates. I'd be pretty happy if we appointed him.
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What Moyes witnessed at Villa Park on Saturday i'm sure would be enough to put him off for life anyway.
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What Moyes witnessed at Villa Park on Saturday i'm sure was enough to put him off for life anyway.
If he gets the tin tack from Utd, he'd give his right arm for a gig like Villa
Not that I want the Moyes the mogadon
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What Moyes witnessed at Villa Park on Saturday i'm sure was enough to put him off for life anyway.
Couldn't disagree more. Moyes would start from scratch without the pressure of OT. He's a significant step up from McLeish & Lambert.
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A big no to Moyes. We need someone that values central midfielders.
These made me laugh. From the Guardian, Paddypower at it again apparently. Funny all the same.
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What Moyes witnessed at Villa Park on Saturday i'm sure was enough to put him off for life anyway.
Would probably have the opposite effect. If the new owners give him the tools I'd imagine he'd think he could improve things greatly at Villa.
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I'd have him. I always liked watching Everton under him. They played with a hell of a lot of passion.
Not the most progressive manager but I reckon he'd get us back in the top half even with a limited budget.
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I'd rather he went to some small shitty club with little to no expectations so as he can build up a bit of confidence again. Do the Albion need a new manager?
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They might in a couple of weeks.
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He would be a great manager for us. But I would reckon that he would go to Spurs first. It would be the ideal "dawning of a new age" scenario if Moyes and new owners were to be unveiled this summer. Wishful thinking.
But I would hope that United would give him a second season to see how it goes.
As for us, Lerner will probably sanction funds for Lambert this summer for the purchase of Grant Holt and some young lad with pimples from a third division team in Latuania with not a vowel to had in his name. Another for the future.
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Suppose there's a good chance he will take some time away from the game.
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I'd have him. I always liked watching Everton under him. They played with a hell of a lot of passion.
Not the most progressive manager but I reckon he'd get us back in the top half even with a limited budget.
Pretty much how I see it too. If he does become available, I could see Spurs and maybe Newcastle being interested too though.
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I'd have him. I always liked watching Everton under him. They played with a hell of a lot of passion.
Not the most progressive manager but I reckon he'd get us back in the top half even with a limited budget.
Pretty much how I see it too. If he does become available, I could see Spurs and maybe Newcastle being interested too though.
He'd be daft going to either of them. You think we're a managers graveyard?
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What Moyes witnessed at Villa Park on Saturday i'm sure would be enough to put him off for life anyway.
Couldn't disagree more. Moyes would start from scratch without the pressure of OT. He's a significant step up from McLeish & Lambert.
I'm in the in camp of course he is. Practically anyone's better than them two. McLeish one year win rate year 21.43%, Lambo's over two 31.33% and falling.
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I'd have him. I always liked watching Everton under him. They played with a hell of a lot of passion.
Not the most progressive manager but I reckon he'd get us back in the top half even with a limited budget.
Pretty much how I see it too. If he does become available, I could see Spurs and maybe Newcastle being interested too though.
He'd be daft going to either of them. You think we're a managers graveyard?
Undoubtedly. Especially after a torrid year at Utd, he'll want a more stable job than those two. He'd be bloody crazy to go and work under Mike Ashley.
Depending on whether they survive, a club like Norwich might be the sort of level he'd want to get himself back on track in management. They're stable and the level of expectation isn't too silly. But I'd probably expect him to take some time out and assess his options in a years time. A stranger thing could happen than him returning to Everton, if a bigger club poaches Martinez in a years time. If he can maintain Evertons form another year, there'll be a few clubs sniffing around him.
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Can anyone turning their noses up at Moyes throw a name in the mixer who would take us over in the current state?
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I actually can't believe there are people on here doing the 'moyes is shit' thing.
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no and its unbelievably small-time referring to other clubs as small and shitty when it more than adequately describes our own at the moment
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no and its unbelievably small-time referring to other clubs as small and shitty when it more than adequately describes our own at the moment
The team may be shiity, the club is neither.
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nah Martinez is the man
That ship sailed long ago.
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no and its unbelievably small-time referring to other clubs as small and shitty when it more than adequately describes our own at the moment
Not as small time as that small and shitty club knowing what they are.
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I'd have him. I always liked watching Everton under him. They played with a hell of a lot of passion.
Not the most progressive manager but I reckon he'd get us back in the top half even with a limited budget.
Pretty much how I see it too. If he does become available, I could see Spurs and maybe Newcastle being interested too though.
He'd be daft going to either of them. You think we're a managers graveyard?
He won't be sexy or foreign enough for Tottingham, and he isn't in Mike Ashley's betting circle, so I think both would be non starters.
He would be an upgrade on Lambert, but it depends how much of an impact getting the tin tack has had on him.
Personally, I'd prefer someone who isn't seen as damaged goods. But I do wonder about those questioning his style of football at Everton. True, in the early years they were functional and hard to beat more than anything. Even in that game in 2008 that we edged at Goodison, their main tactic seemed to be to pump the ball into the box at every opportunity.
He refined that over time though, and his Everton sides from about 2009 onwards were far more easy on the eye. Which shows he can adapt as a manager.
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Moyes is a good manager but not the right one for us. We will need someone outside the UK with contacts all over Europe and further afield. If we arent going to be paying big wages to average British players then we will need to have very progressive coaching and scouting. Unfortunately Moyes has failed hugely on those two fronts at Old Trafford.
Thought Moyes was a poor choice at the time but I cant believe how far United have fallen in a short space of time. Placating a fat uninterested Wayne Rooney from the outset was his biggest mistake.
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Can anyone turning their noses up at Moyes throw a name in the mixer who would take us over in the current state?
I'd rather keep Lambert than end up with Moyes
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Nothing against Moyes but he wouldn't be my choice.
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Obviously if we end up with a new zillionaire owner and can suddenly spend Man City money we might have a wider range of options.]
However, for all the good work that Randy Lerner has done he's struggled with appointing managers. If we appointed Moyes I'd be pretty happy as there's every chance we could end up with somebody head-scratchingly woeful.
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I don't want anyone else with the name 'David' to manage our club.
Including David Platt.
I'm talking about the guy from Coronation Street, not the backwards spoon-faced Jane Torvill impersonator that was one of the best players to ever wear a Villa shirt, but who is a pretty boring man and an awful manager.
In other news, Jane Torvill? I would.
But I'd be having a sly think about Chris Dean's 'triple salco'.
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I'd like to keep PL but if he were to go Moyes would be a good replacement he never stood a chance at Man U and neither will the next two or three. If not Moyes , who?? And please no ex villa players including sid
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I don't want anyone else with the name 'David' to manage our club.
Including David Platt.
I'm talking about the guy from Coronation Street, not the backwards spoon-faced Jane Torvill impersonator that was one of the best players to ever wear a Villa shirt, but who is a pretty boring man and an awful manager.
In other news, Jane Torvill? I would.
But I'd be having a sly think about Chris Dean's 'triple salco'.
Do you reckon they ever did?
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They told Piers Morgan that they had 'experimented'.
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There's no point getting someone like Moyes in. We need someone inspiring, not some other 'grafter', we've done that with MON, McLeish & Lambert. Moyes would do better than them, may even get us playing slightly better football but it will still be shite. The club needs overhauled and we need to centre on playing good attacking, stylish football, no hoof shite.
We need to create a legacy, start playing football, make us entertaining to watch, we've been shite at home for years (under MON we only won over half our home games in 1 of his 4 years), we need to sort that out first, get more home wins but playing in a decent manner.
The blind stupidity of us fans renewing will eventually stop, unless we get someone decent in I won't be renewing for the frist time in 11 years
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In other news, Jane Torvill? I would.
You ARE an animal!
In other news Moyse's sacking will be announced at the opening bell of NYSE tomorrow.
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In other news Moyse's sacking will be announced at the opening bell of NYSE tomorrow.
If that turns out to be true please abolish football immediately.
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Another boring dour Scotsman? Nuh uh.
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Moyes has had an impossible act to follow this season but if we had the chance to get him in now we should take it. The guy did a fantastic job at Everton. Don't let his short period at Manchester United cloud your opinion.
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In other news Moyse's sacking will be announced at the opening bell of NYSE tomorrow.
If that turns out to be true please abolish football immediately.
It might not happen today but news like that can only be officially announced prior to trading. They had to do the same with Fergie and Gill as well.
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Moyes has had an impossible act to follow this season but if we had the chance to get him in now we should take it. The guy did a fantastic job at Everton. Don't let his short period at Manchester United cloud your opinion.
he did do a great job, but I think the particular strengths we need in a manager now are not those that Moyes has.
Moyes would have been a great promotion after MON flounced out, for example. There would have been continuity. Or even when McLeish was appointed. Although, to be honest, given who did get appointed that time, i can think of farmyard animals who would have been better appointments.
What we need now is a root and branch overhaul of our playing style. I don't think Moyes is the man to do that.
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Moyes has had an impossible act to follow this season but if we had the chance to get him in now we should take it. The guy did a fantastic job at Everton. Don't let his short period at Manchester United cloud your opinion.
When he took over at Everton, he had a decent set of players and Rooney coming through the youth. According to most on here, we have the worst players ever to grace the shirt and definitely no Rooney in our youth setup.
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It's all about opinion I suppose but I think if we had the opportunity of having David Moyes as our manger I don't think we'd be so well off for other qualified options that we wouldn't be foolish not to take it.
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When Moye gets sacked there'll be a lot of sympathy for the impossible job he was landed with. He won't have that sense of ridicule that Steve McLaren or (excuse the sacrilege) Sir Graham were dogged with. I think he'll end up like a rich man's Graham Turner - a perfectly good manager at a certain level who found himself doing a job he didn't have the experience for.
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Everton have had the best years from Moyes. He was a young and hungry new manager, able to mould a team that suited his style and that could mitigate his tactical limitations.
As much as I would have been pleased with his appointment after MON or Houllier, he unfortunately has the air of someone passed their prime and something of a spent force. I can't help but pity the bloke for having been given the shitty end of the stick, but that just makes it even harder to imagine him being the one to reinvigorate us now.
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Moyes has had an impossible act to follow this season but if we had the chance to get him in now we should take it. The guy did a fantastic job at Everton. Don't let his short period at Manchester United cloud your opinion.
When he took over at Everton, he had a decent set of players and Rooney coming through the youth. According to most on here, we have the worst players ever to grace the shirt and definitely no Rooney in our youth setup.
Some of his best signings - Tim Cahill (£1.5m), Mikel Arteta (£3m), Joleon Lescott (£5m), Phil Neville (£3.5m), Tim Howard (£3m), Phil Jagielka (£4m), Steven Pienaar (£2m), Leighton Baines (£6m) Seamus Coleman (£60k). Exactly the kind of price range we are shopping in now - he knows how to spot value for money*. I think he'd be great for us.
* This may have gone slightly wrong at Man U.
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He's lived in the same house he's had since he was manager of Preston. I think he has become set in his ways and set in his ideas.
Anyway, I hope the next manager of Newton Heath spends a couple of hundred million on a load of crap players and makes things worse.
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Everton have had the best years from Moyes. He was a young and hungry new manager, able to mould a team that suited his style and that could mitigate his tactical limitations.
As much as I would have been pleased with his appointment after MON or Houllier, he unfortunately has the air of someone passed their prime and something of a spent force. I can't help but pity the bloke for having been given the shitty end of the stick, but that just makes it even harder to imagine him being the one to reinvigorate us now.
Only twelve months ago, David Moyes was considered good enough to replace one of the most successful managers in the history of football at one of the biggest clubs in the world. Has he really turned into a pile of shite overnight?
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Everything that is wrong with today's football. We didn't even get to song Moyesey on the dole Moyesey Moyesey on the dole.
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In all seriousness I meant my first point. 12 months ago he was handpicked by the greatest manager they have ever had. And now he's being bombed out. Manure were not going to be relegated in four years. Why then could he not have been afforded the same luxury ferguson was. Poxy money, poxy sky, poxy modern fan. Annoyed.
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Difference between then and now is purely money, money, money. There was no European football for English clubs, never mind the cash cow that is the Cheats League, when Fergie was struggling, and not much in the way of TV money either.
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Louis van Gaal will be hilarious. Roaming around, shouting at everyone like a pop-eyed lunatic
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I honestly think the cheeky twats will go for Martinez
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Everton have had the best years from Moyes. He was a young and hungry new manager, able to mould a team that suited his style and that could mitigate his tactical limitations.
As much as I would have been pleased with his appointment after MON or Houllier, he unfortunately has the air of someone passed their prime and something of a spent force. I can't help but pity the bloke for having been given the shitty end of the stick, but that just makes it even harder to imagine him being the one to reinvigorate us now.
Only twelve months ago, David Moyes was considered good enough to replace one of the most successful managers in the history of football at one of the biggest clubs in the world. Has he really turned into a pile of shite overnight?
That seems to be the conclusion that United are coming to.
I would love to see him prove them wrong, but the timing just feels wrong for what both the Villa and Moyes need right now. We need someone who will be able to take decisive action and build a new squad, he needs time to go away, lick his wounds and get his mojo back.
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I honestly think the cheeky twats will go for Martinez
That would be quite funny.
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When Moye gets sacked there'll be a lot of sympathy for the impossible job he was landed with. He won't have that sense of ridicule that Steve McLaren or (excuse the sacrilege) Sir Graham were dogged with. I think he'll end up like a rich man's Graham Turner - a perfectly good manager at a certain level who found himself doing a job he didn't have the experience for.
My understanding was that the rationale for appointing Moyes was continuity as they expected the Backroom staff and the infrastructure that had been built by Siralex to remain in place. For whatever reason this did not happen and he ended up with a new coaching team. As you say it looks like it has been too much for him.
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When Moye gets sacked there'll be a lot of sympathy for the impossible job he was landed with. He won't have that sense of ridicule that Steve McLaren or (excuse the sacrilege) Sir Graham were dogged with. I think he'll end up like a rich man's Graham Turner - a perfectly good manager at a certain level who found himself doing a job he didn't have the experience for.
My understanding was that the rationale for appointing Moyes was continuity as they expected the Backroom staff and the infrastructure that had been built by Siralex to remain in place. For whatever reason this did not happen and he ended up with a new coaching team. As you say it looks like it has been too much for him.
At this point. Had he gone somewhere like Spurs or Arsenal first he might have had more chance; he'd certainly have got more European experience and been under more pressure. Similarly, had Turner gone to Wolves first before Villa he might have had a better chance of succeeding. But in both cases, you don't turn down those sort of opportunities.
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Its all starting to look like a repeat of the Frank O'Farrell /Wilf McGuinness situation again. Moyes should have two seasons at least to get it right.and Sir Alex (like Matt Busby) should have stayed away from Old Trafford,
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I know you have to take this sort of hearsay with a hefty pinch of salt, but the reports suggest the players were distinctly unimpressed with Moyes' training methods, which were apparently much more focused on physical fitness than technical possession work with the ball as was previously the case under Ferguson. I've also read that the midfielders were supposedly told not to get ahead of the ball.
Sounds exactly like MON.
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just seen some front pages, 'Goodbye Peaches' where did he get that nickname from?
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Security guards at United training ground say Moyes arrived at 05:00 BST - BBC Sport
Early start!!!!
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He gets my vote for manager of the year if we had beaten them twice manager of the century.
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Confirmed on SSN
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And now it's official.
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Confirmed on SSN
And on BBC Breaking News. No word as yet on interim manager.
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Also on BBC. It was always going to be a tough job to be the man who followed Ferguson but as Gary Neville said last night, this is just brutal.
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Well that's now two Scottish managers that Ferguson recommended who failed to last a season...
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It would've been almost impossible job for any manager following Ferguson, especially as he stayed in the club. Wouldn't want Moyes in Villa, too old-fashioned traditional english/scottish/irish manager/coach, we need someone with fresh set of ideas, preferably from abroad.
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Fergie back for last 3 games ?
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Gotta feel sorry for Moyes. He never quite got the hang of intimidating players, referees, journalists, which is the bedrock of Man Utd's success, and he's been hung out to dry for it. Too nice. He'd be an infinitely better option than Lambert, but I doubt there will be a scramble for his signature just now so we can wait and see what our ownership status is at the end of the season before making any move. I'm hopeful we can attract a manager on the way up, rather than one on the way down.
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we appoint Moyes , we'd finish top 8 no danger, who wouldn't want that at the moment ?
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Security guards at United training ground say Moyes arrived at 05:00 BST - BBC Sport
Early start!!!!
Early start, early finish!
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I wouldn't feel too sorry for him, he knew the risks and his compensation will be enormous
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I feel sorry for Moyes, having that cock looking over his shoulder all season.
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we appoint Moyes , we'd finish top 8 no danger, who wouldn't want that at the moment ?
Yes that would be great...finish 7th or 8th for the next 10 years and never win anything!
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Well that's now two Scottish managers that Ferguson recommended who failed to last a season...
McLeish did last a season.
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Seems harsh to get rid of him so quickly. Have they already forgotten the Community Shield glory days? Well, day. Plus he invented the Flaming Mo.
Looking forward to BeijingRed4Lyf changing his address to GiggsMustGo.
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Dour manager sacked for unacceptable league position, awful results and boring hoof style. Unfortunately not Paul Lambert.
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Its all starting to look like a repeat of the Frank O'Farrell /Wilf McGuinness situation again.
I hope so. I hope they appointment Giggs as caretaker and he wins the next 3 games and then is appointed on a permanent basis and sacked this time next year.
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I wouldn't feel too sorry for him, he knew the risks and his compensation will be enormous
Not as enormous as you might think, if the "failure to qualify for Champions League" clause is true.
It looks like Moyes might only get one year's pay-off. This'll still be a decent wedge but nothing compared to what he'd have got if he'd scraped them into the CL and then got fired.
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Can a Mod extract the "?" from the thread title.
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Dour manager sacked for unacceptable league position, awful results and boring hoof style. Unfortunately not Paul Lambert.
Difference is targets assigned by owners. Moyse relegated manu from CL Lambert has not relegated us from PL so he stays.
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Well that's now two Scottish managers that Ferguson recommended who failed to last a season...
McLeish did last a season.
So he did! Although those last few games did little to justify Ferguson's alleged glowing reference...
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The Sacked One
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Success and money is what all about. The humour has gone. Where are the 'characters' these days?..hiding from the accountants counting the number of season tickets/T-shirts sold. Moyes would be OK with me as a long term builder. He was watching Villa last week when I thought he may be checking on Vlaar and Bacuna..never know now?
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Everton have had the best years from Moyes. He was a young and hungry new manager, able to mould a team that suited his style and that could mitigate his tactical limitations.
As much as I would have been pleased with his appointment after MON or Houllier, he unfortunately has the air of someone passed their prime and something of a spent force. I can't help but pity the bloke for having been given the shitty end of the stick, but that just makes it even harder to imagine him being the one to reinvigorate us now.
Only twelve months ago, David Moyes was considered good enough to replace one of the most successful managers in the history of football at one of the biggest clubs in the world. Has he really turned into a pile of shite overnight?
Yes considered good enough by only one man, a despot, who wanted his united to carry on through Moyse. Football isn't like that.
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Quote from the BBC Moyes stream. Clearly a true Manure fan! If Villa fans gave up this easy there would be no one left!
"Doug in Fife, via text on 81111: Which Man Utd players would get into Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool? Rooney maybe. Van Persie when he turns up. That's it. Man Utd were supposed to be different. I'm done supporting"
PS Not Moyes for me. We need to play football
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Lee Clark is the ideal replacement. Used to working within financial constraints, voice like he's just been told his hamster's fallen in the deep fat fryer, and knows that feeling of playing second fiddle in the city he works in.
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I don't want Moyes as our next manager.
I see the big fucking cry babies have got their own way then.
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Moye's at Villa? No way.
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Wow. 8 or 9 bad months and the previous decade is instantly forgotton. Thats people for you.
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Wow. 8 or 9 bad months and the previous decade is instantly forgotton. Thats people for you.
Are we talking about Moyes's record or United's?
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This Yanited season is just hilarious . Definitely getting the DVD of it
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If he has any sense he will take a few months out.
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Wow. 8 or 9 bad months and the previous decade is instantly forgotton. Thats people for you.
Are we talking about Moyes's record or United's?
Moyes. But i guess Randy Lerners Villa will have the top class managers lining up at the door to take over so we shouldn't worry.
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This Yanited season is just hilarious . Definitely getting the DVD of it
There's a couple of chapters you might like to skip.
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Moderators. Can we have a vote on this topic...please?
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It does make one wonder where Moyes will pitch up next. To be honest, he was going to be a lucky boy if it worked at United anyway given the act he had to follow, so any manager would have been risking his reputation. But the manner in which looked out of his depth was horrifying. If you add that to the way Martinez has Everton playing now, it really doesn't cast Moyes in a good light.
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It seems harsh to me. Reputation great and one bad season/spell under difficult circumstances and he is seen as a laughing stock like McLaren and SGT were.
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Club Statement: "Following the point on Saturday at Villa Park, there have been stories about my selling the Club. On a personal level, I had hoped the emphasis would have been on the amazing effort on the part of our next manager and his current players to separate after a very difficult season. Injuries to Nemanja and Ashley, compounded with the early loss of Luis and the difficult rehab of Darren have no doubt left David with far less to work with than is fair. Still, David Moyes has done nothing but work to show that he wants to leave Manchester United and take over at Aston Villa within the parameters I've set, put his next Club first and continue to distrust Fergie's players. As regards my personal role at the Club and the steady rumours of a sale, I will address these after the season. David Moyes, Paul Faulkner and I speak daily and remain committed to the immediate job of limiting distraction and confusion in order that Villa have the best chance possible of finishing on a strong note, so that David does not join Spurs."
- Randy Lerner, Aston Villa Chairman
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How many of us wanted Moyes before the arrival of Lambert?
Has Moyes become an awful manager inside a season?
Really surprised by this as surely the Man U board knew after Ferguson it was going to be a major rebuilding job and if they wanted a big name manager why didn't they go for Mourinho at the outset?
I suppose there is indeed some parity with Moyes at Man U and our very own Lambert. Both tasked with rebuilding a team and both ultimately failing to appease the expectancy of the fans and for one club that has been enough to sack the manager while the other is momentarily kept in his job because his remit was to run us on the cheap irrespective of results which look like being good enough to keep us in the Premiership by the skin of our teeth.
I suppose if the mooted rumours are correct then it was Ferguson who chose his successor and it was on the recommendation of Ferguson that Mcleish came to our club. For such a brilliant manager his choice of manager has stunk the Premiership out and maybe just maybe his aura this morning has now dimmed slightly.
I would still like to see Moyes as our new manager. Reasons being that I still feel he is a very good manager who really hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip at Man U because the expectancy has been so high and it was always going to be an impossible job to follow Ferguson especially with an ageing squad to revamp yet somehow still achieve CL qualification. The expectancy level at our club wouldn't be as high and given time with increased funding from the mooted take over in the summer Moyes could again build another Everton dynasty here which let's face it is a darn sight better than we all have had to endure over the past several seasons.
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Club Statement: "Following the point on Saturday at Villa Park, there have been stories about my selling the Club. On a personal level, I had hoped the emphasis would have been on the amazing effort on the part of our next manager and his current players to separate after a very difficult season. Injuries to Nemanja and Ashley, compounded with the early loss of Luis and the difficult rehab of Darren have no doubt left David with far less to work with than is fair. Still, David Moyes has done nothing but work to show that he wants to leave Manchester United and take over at Aston Villa within the parameters I've set, put his next Club first and continue to distrust Fergie's players. As regards my personal role at the Club and the steady rumours of a sale, I will address these after the season. David Moyes, Paul Faulkner and I speak daily and remain committed to the immediate job of limiting distraction and confusion in order that Villa have the best chance possible of finishing on a strong note, so that David does not join Spurs."
- Randy Lerner, Aston Villa Chairman
Many a true word...!!
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Klopp rules himself out to takeover.
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Klopp rules himself out to takeover.
A journalist asked him and he pissed himself laughing.
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yes but tat was in reply to him taking over from Lambert
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It seems harsh to me. Reputation great and one bad season/spell under difficult circumstances and he is seen as a laughing stock like McLaren and SGT were.
Yeah but with McLaren it was that ridiculous dutch accent he put on when being interviewed which made it hard to ever take him seriously again. That would have been true in any walk of life.
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NO, NO, NO please not. Another effort over quality grafter.
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How many of us wanted Moyes before the arrival of Lambert?
Has Moyes become an awful manager inside a season?
No not bad but limited. He has proven that by taking a team that won the League by 11 points to mid table mediocrity. This shows that given all the resources available, remember he spent nearly £65m on two players, he was not able to meet his target of CL qualification.
Clearly he could do a good job here but that's all nothing more. And he has not won a cup despite having a good squad at Everton and even better one at Manu.
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How many of us wanted Moyes before the arrival of Lambert?
Has Moyes become an awful manager inside a season?
Really surprised by this as surely the Man U board knew after Ferguson it was going to be a major rebuilding job and if they wanted a big name manager why didn't they go for Mourinho at the outset?
I suppose there is indeed some parity with Moyes at Man U and our very own Lambert. Both tasked with rebuilding a team and both ultimately failing to appease the expectancy of the fans and for one club that has been enough to sack the manager while the other is momentarily kept in his job because his remit was to run us on the cheap irrespective of results which look like being good enough to keep us in the Premiership by the skin of our teeth.
I suppose if the mooted rumours are correct then it was Ferguson who chose his successor and it was on the recommendation of Ferguson that Mcleish came to our club. For such a brilliant manager his choice of manager has stunk the Premiership out and maybe just maybe his aura this morning has now dimmed slightly.
I would still like to see Moyes as our new manager. Reasons being that I still feel he is a very good manager who really hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip at Man U because the expectancy has been so high and it was always going to be an impossible job to follow Ferguson especially with an ageing squad to revamp yet somehow still achieve CL qualification. The expectancy level at our club wouldn't be as high and given time with increased funding from the mooted take over in the summer Moyes could again build another Everton dynasty here which let's face it is a darn sight better than we all have had to endure over the past several seasons.
Have you seen Moyes' record for his first few seasons at Everton? I'd argue Lambert is doing a much better job in a comparable situation.
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Been listening to the United fans on Radio 5 Live phone-in. It's truly remarkable how many of them don't know how to pronounce the name of their club's owners.
Terry Christian was talking a lot of sense. Wow, there's a sentence I never thought I'd type. He had a fairly heated argument with Robbie Savage, and made a valid point when he asked where would United have finished last season if RVP had missed half of it?
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Been listening to the United fans on Radio 5 Live phone-in. It's truly remarkable how many of them don't know how to pronounce the name of their club's owners.
Terry Christian was talking a lot of sense. Wow, there's a sentence I never thought I'd type. He had a good argument with Robbie Savage, and made a valid point when he said where would United have finished last season if RVP had missed half of it.
I heard Allardyce say something similar at the weekend in respect of us and Benteke. Without their main striker for long periods any team will suffer.
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nah Martinez is the man
With all due respect, coming to Villa would be a step sideways or even backwards at the moment tbh. He wouldn't come even when he was the boss at Wigan!
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They've just said it's a year to the day since they won the league following a 3-0 win over us. What they failed to mention was that all 3 goals were offside !
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For me I think Moyes was doomed to fail, he took over a poor squad. The fact that they won the league last season is a testament to Fergie's skill as a manager and how well the players knew his system. No manager could have taken over that squad and repeated Fergie's success, poor players that just happened to be perfected at Fergie's style of play.
Now my problem with Moyes was his inability to identify how poor the squad he was talking over was and failed to protect himself in regards to replacing them; or at least making a condition of his appointment that he has money to spend and freedom to do what he has to do.
Why was he buying Fellani when he should have been looking at their long term future and signing Barkley who would possibly have been cheaper.
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How many of us wanted Moyes before the arrival of Lambert?
Has Moyes become an awful manager inside a season?
Really surprised by this as surely the Man U board knew after Ferguson it was going to be a major rebuilding job and if they wanted a big name manager why didn't they go for Mourinho at the outset?
I suppose there is indeed some parity with Moyes at Man U and our very own Lambert. Both tasked with rebuilding a team and both ultimately failing to appease the expectancy of the fans and for one club that has been enough to sack the manager while the other is momentarily kept in his job because his remit was to run us on the cheap irrespective of results which look like being good enough to keep us in the Premiership by the skin of our teeth.
I suppose if the mooted rumours are correct then it was Ferguson who chose his successor and it was on the recommendation of Ferguson that Mcleish came to our club. For such a brilliant manager his choice of manager has stunk the Premiership out and maybe just maybe his aura this morning has now dimmed slightly.
I would still like to see Moyes as our new manager. Reasons being that I still feel he is a very good manager who really hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip at Man U because the expectancy has been so high and it was always going to be an impossible job to follow Ferguson especially with an ageing squad to revamp yet somehow still achieve CL qualification. The expectancy level at our club wouldn't be as high and given time with increased funding from the mooted take over in the summer Moyes could again build another Everton dynasty here which let's face it is a darn sight better than we all have had to endure over the past several seasons.
Have you seen Moyes' record for his first few seasons at Everton? I'd argue Lambert is doing a much better job in a comparable situation.
Two manager of the years and CL qualification is his 3rd season. One scrape with relegation.
Plus he took over a similar shambles.
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I think Moyes needs a good, long holiday before coming back to management. I've never seen a man age as quickly.
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No thank you.
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It is back to the young lad asking old lady with heavy bags outside Sainsbury if she can manage..'Eff off, I don't want the Villa job' aah the old one's eh?
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They've just said it's a year to the day since they won the league following a 3-0 win over us. What they failed to mention was that all 3 goals were offside !
The opening credits to MOTD really boils my p*ss
Every time 'that goal' by Van Persie is shown
we have a chorus of "offside!" in our house
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They've just said it's a year to the day since they won the league following a 3-0 win over us. What they failed to mention was that all 3 goals were offside !
The opening credits to MOTD really boils my p*ss
Every time 'that goal' by Van Persie is shown
we have a chorus of "offside!" in our house
One of the benefits of Ferguson going - and this has been to Moyes detriment - is that match officials at Old Trafford all of a sudden don't feel intimidated and are prepared to give penalties, flag for offside and add on the correct amount of added time that don't favour the home team.
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If we still need to be worried about Norwich then I think this helps us because it will lift some of the torpor over Old Trafford and the Canaries will probably get torn a new one on Saturday now.
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I'd have Moyes over Lambert in a heartbeat. It would never happen with Lerner in charge though. There's no way Moyes would touch Villa with the restrictions Lerner enforces on us.
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agreed but the best time for anyone to try and get him as it would be purely about restoring his reputation; it's not as if he needs the money
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Thanks for all of the calls and messages, but I am ruling myself out of the running for Manchester United manager. I do not live south of the M4, so I do not like the club.
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I wouldn't want him.
If we have a new manager, I would want a break from British management and the methods of training, tactics and preparation that embody most of them, with a few notable exceptions.
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I wouldn't want him.
If we have a new manager, I would want a break from British management and the methods of training, tactics and preparation that embody most of them, with a few notable exceptions.
Correct we need a visionary - someone like Dr Venglos.
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I read somewhere that the decision to sack moyes was made in February but happened now because this weekend they mathematically cannot make the chumps league. Under the terms of his contract he will only get a one year pay-off for this failure whereas he signed a 6-year deal. D'oh!
I wouldn't be surprised that the players knew he was off and therefore their focus was even more wayward and exaggerated how shite he is/has been.
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This Yanited season is just hilarious . Definitely getting the DVD of it
shame Villa still couldnt get a point
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I'd have Moyes over Lambert in a heartbeat. It would never happen with Lerner in charge though. There's no way Moyes would touch Villa with the restrictions Lerner enforces on us.
How are the restrictions different to those he had under Kenwright? Given some of the stuff written while he was at Everton you'd have thought he didn't have a pot to piss in he was so broke.
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This Yanited season is just hilarious . Definitely getting the DVD of it
shame Villa still couldnt get a point
And neither did a 6-7 other clubs.
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Well Giggs is inter rimming now, with his brothers Mrs.
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They've just said it's a year to the day since they won the league following a 3-0 win over us. What they failed to mention was that all 3 goals were offside !
The opening credits to MOTD really boils my p*ss
Every time 'that goal' by Van Persie is shown
we have a chorus of "offside!" in our house
One of the benefits of Ferguson going - and this has been to Moyes detriment - is that match officials at Old Trafford all of a sudden don't feel intimidated and are prepared to give penalties, flag for offside and add on the correct amount of added time that don't favour the home team.
i`ve been saying that for weeks, and long may it continue.
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If we went for Moyes it'd be the same boring, unimaginative football all over again. He's old school with old ideas. Perfect if that's what you want but I want a modern manager playing a modern game now. It's been a boring, uninspiring time. Time for new ideas and footballing philosophies for me.
That's not saying he's not good enough for us, it's just me saying he's not right for us.
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If we went for Moyes it'd be the same boring, unimaginative football all over again. He's old school with old ideas. Perfect if that's what you want but I want a modern manager playing a modern game now. It's been a boring, uninspiring time. Time for new ideas and footballing philosophies for me.
That's not saying he's not good enough for us, it's just me saying he's not right for us.
I agree. Moyes is (possibly was, as he may not recover from this) the best 'typically british' manager but that model both in the way the club is structured and also the manager's vision and tactics rarely works nowadays.
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This Yanited season is just hilarious . Definitely getting the DVD of it
shame Villa still couldnt get a point
And neither did a 6-7 other clubs.
Its normally 18 thou ;)
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The worst Man U team in PL memory, and they still put 7 past our lot without breaking sweat, ouch!
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Any club appointing Moyes has to realise that what he offers isn't a quick fix. It takes years to build. He'll give any club outside that top 6 or 7, in time a very solid if unspectacular base and provide consistent results season after season. However, unless you're willing to be patient, and I mean over a number of years which in football terms is an eternity, then you're likely not going to move much further ahead quickly. For us, we're way past Moyes. We need a very different approach to his dour, sometimes lifeless football. We've had enough of that in the pas few years to last a lifetime. Give me some continental flair and some excitng technically gifted players.
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If there is no take-over in the offing I'd offer him the job today. He'll want a job and he'll be the best we can potentially get.
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How many of us wanted Moyes before the arrival of Lambert?
Has Moyes become an awful manager inside a season?
Really surprised by this as surely the Man U board knew after Ferguson it was going to be a major rebuilding job and if they wanted a big name manager why didn't they go for Mourinho at the outset?
I suppose there is indeed some parity with Moyes at Man U and our very own Lambert. Both tasked with rebuilding a team and both ultimately failing to appease the expectancy of the fans and for one club that has been enough to sack the manager while the other is momentarily kept in his job because his remit was to run us on the cheap irrespective of results which look like being good enough to keep us in the Premiership by the skin of our teeth.
I suppose if the mooted rumours are correct then it was Ferguson who chose his successor and it was on the recommendation of Ferguson that Mcleish came to our club. For such a brilliant manager his choice of manager has stunk the Premiership out and maybe just maybe his aura this morning has now dimmed slightly.
I would still like to see Moyes as our new manager. Reasons being that I still feel he is a very good manager who really hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip at Man U because the expectancy has been so high and it was always going to be an impossible job to follow Ferguson especially with an ageing squad to revamp yet somehow still achieve CL qualification. The expectancy level at our club wouldn't be as high and given time with increased funding from the mooted take over in the summer Moyes could again build another Everton dynasty here which let's face it is a darn sight better than we all have had to endure over the past several seasons.
Have you seen Moyes' record for his first few seasons at Everton? I'd argue Lambert is doing a much better job in a comparable situation.
Two manager of the years and CL qualification is his 3rd season. One scrape with relegation.
Plus he took over a similar shambles.
Lambert also took over a shambles and, fair play to the Everton board, they stuck with their manager and gave Moyes the chance of a third season.
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If Lambert was to go, then Moyes would be pretty much top of my list to replace. And I expect he'd be top of Randy's, too.
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If Lambert was to go, then Moyes would be pretty much top of my list to replace. And I expect he'd be top of Randy's, too.
If Randy shocks us all and says he's staying, and Moyes is free then I'd not be surprised at all if he became Villa manager. However, as good as his Everton credentials are it will take a while to get there with us under the same parameters. Do we have the patience after McLeish and Lambert for it?
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I want the 'next Jurgen Klopp'
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tbh even though the chap's stock is slightly diminished at the moment, it's an insult mentioning Moyes alongside TSM1 and TSM2. He's altogether better than they will ever be.
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tbh even though the chap's stock is slightly diminished at the moment, it's an insult mentioning Moyes alongside TSM1 and TSM2. He's altogether better than they will ever be.
He was after 10 years at Everton. He wasn't always better than them, he had spells with his club iin the bottom three and sending his team out in the infamous 4-6-0 formation before the false nine was invented. Not because it was a false-nine but because he chose to play with no forwards. Moyes, is a good manager but was allowed to exist at a time and at a club that gave him that time to make numerous good and bad decisions. It's just that we don't remember all of the bad ones that drove their fans nuts.
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If Lambert was to go, then Moyes would be pretty much top of my list to replace. And I expect he'd be top of Randy's, too.
If Randy shocks us all and says he's staying, and Moyes is free then I'd not be surprised at all if he became Villa manager. However, as good as his Everton credentials are it will take a while to get there with us under the same parameters. Do we have the patience after McLeish and Lambert for it?
Well, I would personally, but I'd expect many others wouldn't.
And wasn't the 4-6-0 thing becuase he literally had no fit strikers at the time?
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I cannot find it on their website now but there was an enlightening article in the guardian this weekend with some leaks from within Everton suggesting he was not that popular. It also mentioned that his transfer dealings were uber cautious and the list of players he was offered but turned down was staggering (albeit that's to be somewhat expected after 10 years).
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tbh even though the chap's stock is slightly diminished at the moment, it's an insult mentioning Moyes alongside TSM1 and TSM2. He's altogether better than they will ever be.
He was after 10 years at Everton. He wasn't always better than them, he had spells with his club iin the bottom three and sending his team out in the infamous 4-6-0 formation before the false nine was invented. Not because it was a false-nine but because he chose to play with no forwards. Moyes, is a good manager but was allowed to exist at a time and at a club that gave him that time to make numerous good and bad decisions. It's just that we don't remember all of the bad ones that drove their fans nuts.
Moyes for me is and was an outstanding manager who should never have taken the United job. Especially later on in his tenure I remember some very fluid but powerful football. All the kudos for Martinez at the moment seems a little unfair on Moyes to me as the foundations were surely laid before his arrival.
It is a definite yes for me
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The worst Man U team in PL memory, and they still put 7 past our lot without breaking sweat, ouch!
That's because it's the worst villa team in PL history too.
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I think it extremely unlikely that he will be looking for a job immediately, where the media will be just waiting for the first signs of him faltering. It is more likely that he will want to let the dust settle while he takes stock and assesses his options. The high turnover of managers will mean there will always be opportunities.
Mind you, such is my record lately that me predicting it almost guarantees that the opposite will happen.
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The England job should be up for grabs come the back end of July so he could hold out for that
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He won't want to take a 'lower' job than club the size of Everton, so he might not have that many options. I can't see him going to Spurs, but Newcastle is a possibility.
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Moyes, like O'Neill could get his team playing well for about 2/3rds of a season. The difference between the two was Moyes decent spells was at the end and it always seems better to end well then to begin well.
Also, I decided to check out his cup record as I knew he hadn't won anything but wanted to see how close he got. I found this page (http://toffeeweb.com/season/12-13/comment/mailbag/23974.html)after they lost to Wigan last year. Reading some of the comments, there are definitely some comparisons with our own TSM's.
And I expect the Kudos is the same as Pochettino at Southampton. Everyone was saying why get rid of Atkins and then with more or less the same players, he has gotten them playing better. But even if you believe that Moyes laid the foundations, what foundations are in our team for Moyes to takeover considering a lot of people on here state we are the worst team ever in the Prem.
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The worst Man U team in PL memory, and they still put 7 past our lot without breaking sweat, ouch!
That's because it's the worst villa team in PL history too.
This is the reason why we need somebody like Moyes with a long term vision. We need stability and unless massive investment is forthcoming somebody who could basically coach and drill poor players into a style and system that suits. That person 100% isn't Lambert.
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I wonder if he will do a McClaren/ Robson and try moving abroad, (not that I can see many going for him and his current style).
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I wonder if he will do a McClaren/ Robson and try moving abroad, (not that I can see many going for him and his current style).
I suppose Scotland might be 'abroad' soon.
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http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-04-22/pm-as-a-villa-fan-ill-save-advice-for-moyes-successor/
Shame Fergie didn't take this advice when advocating McLeish to us!
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It fooking stings that the "failure" still got 6 pts off us.
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It fooking stings that the "failure" still got 6 pts off us.
Doesn't it just. Evidently there are some traditions so etched in stone that even Moyes can't nawse them up.
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If Moyes gets the tin-tack then Lambert must have some compromising pictures of members of the BoD!!
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If Moyes gets the tin-tack then Lambert must have some compromising pictures of members of the BoD!!
Ermm, where have you been all day?
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Moyes, Lambert, O'Neill : Graft over skill every time
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Needed more time (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27115841)
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Needed more time (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27115841)
Interesting how he hasn't ruled himself out.
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Sacked you say? Crikey I haven't heard or seen that in the media yet.
Vomit emoticon thingy.
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Needed more time (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27115841)
TBH, they have a point. If Liverpool had done what the fans were asking they would not be in the position they are in now with Rodgers. (Although they would probably still be managed by F'king Kenny.)
But I suppose they know that they cannot afford a second year out from the CL with their financing structure.
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Needed more time (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27115841)
Interesting how he hasn't ruled himself out.
No he has not and he is saying all the right things to throw his name in the hat without making it obvious. Believe me manu could do worse!
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He won't want to take a 'lower' job than club the size of Everton, so he might not have that many options. I can't see him going to Spurs, but Newcastle is a possibility.
After this he needs to rebuild his reputation from scratch so I suggest taking over from Lee Clarke at Small Heath would be the right move.
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His win record is better this season than when the was at Everton.
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He would be a great appointment.
I just don't think he's getting the recognition he deserves for how great he was in the transfer market at Everton:
Joleon Lescott
Phil Jagielka
Tim Cahill
Leighton Baines
Seamus Coleman
Jack Rodwell
John Stones
All players he brought in from the lower leagues (or in Coleman's case the Irish league) for very low fees who have mostly turned into international footballers and are all more than capable of holding down a spot in a top 6 premier league side.
Compare that to some of the flops Lambert has brought in from the lower leagues:
Bennett
Lowton
Bowery
Holt
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Have you decided to look at all of Moyes transfers, or just the "good" ones.
Rodwell came through the youth team and Stone never played under Moyes either. But all lower league buys are gambles. Moyes have come off more then most but also they would have come into the team with experience around them. Most of ours were all bought and played at the same time.
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No. Just no.
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NO!
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Have you decided to look at all of Moyes transfers, or just the "good" ones.
Rodwell came through the youth team and Stone never played under Moyes either. But all lower league buys are gambles. Moyes have come off more then most but also they would have come into the team with experience around them. Most of ours were all bought and played at the same time.
Doesn't matter if Stones played under him, he may not have been ready, he bought him that was the point.
I thought they signed Rodwell from Plymouth? Maybe I'm confusing him with another of Moyes' purchases.
I haven't looked anything up as my partner is an Everton fan so I see a fair bit of them. The fact is he spent an average of around 10 mill a season for 10 years and spent almost every season in the top 8, often higher.
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Moyes bought plenty of shite at Everton, every manager does. Koldrup and van der Meyde, combined fees about £10m iirc and made about 20 appearances between them as an example.
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After sleeping on this I am sure he would be useful in our push for promotion.
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Have you decided to look at all of Moyes transfers, or just the "good" ones.
Rodwell came through the youth team and Stone never played under Moyes either. But all lower league buys are gambles. Moyes have come off more then most but also they would have come into the team with experience around them. Most of ours were all bought and played at the same time.
Doesn't matter if Stones played under him, he may not have been ready, he bought him that was the point.
I thought they signed Rodwell from Plymouth? Maybe I'm confusing him with another of Moyes' purchases.
I haven't looked anything up as my partner is an Everton fan so I see a fair bit of them. The fact is he spent an average of around 10 mill a season for 10 years and spent almost every season in the top 8, often higher.
Rodwell joined Everton when he was 7.
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Have you decided to look at all of Moyes transfers, or just the "good" ones.
Rodwell came through the youth team and Stone never played under Moyes either. But all lower league buys are gambles. Moyes have come off more then most but also they would have come into the team with experience around them. Most of ours were all bought and played at the same time.
Doesn't matter if Stones played under him, he may not have been ready, he bought him that was the point.
I thought they signed Rodwell from Plymouth? Maybe I'm confusing him with another of Moyes' purchases.
I haven't looked anything up as my partner is an Everton fan so I see a fair bit of them. The fact is he spent an average of around 10 mill a season for 10 years and spent almost every season in the top 8, often higher.
Rodwell joined Everton when he was 7.
Apologies, I'm confusing him with the other midfielder they signed from the lower leagues (Gosling from Plymouth), who didn't turn out to be anything like as good.
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Biliyetdinov, Johnson, Beattie and that one from Leeds that someone on here loved are others that people ignore.
As for Stone, my point being that he spent £3mil on him and didn't need to play him as he had experience in those areas so could afford to leave him out until decided he was ready. If Lambert had brought him we would have had to play him straight away dropping him straight into a team made up of other kids and then had people on here rubbishing a player as soon as he played and saying why didn't we buy experience. Not many of Lamberts signings have been afforded that time, yes partly through him but mainly due to the paucity of the squad and injuries to key players.
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Biliyetdinov, Johnson, Beattie and that one from Leeds that someone on here loved are others that people ignore.
Jermaine Beckford. Coopers Injury loved him iirc.
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If Lerner and Faulkner think he would be a good fit then no way should we hire him. Worryingly he may be hired. If however they think he would not be a good fit then he would probably be a great choice. Worryingly we'd miss out on him.
There is only one catch and that is Catch 22.
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Biliyetdinov, Johnson, Beattie and that one from Leeds that someone on here loved are others that people ignore.j
Jermaine Beckford. Coopers Injury loved him iirc.
And Villa Kicks
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Biliyetdinov, Johnson, Beattie and that one from Leeds that someone on here loved are others that people ignore.
As for Stone, my point being that he spent £3mil on him and didn't need to play him as he had experience in those areas so could afford to leave him out until decided he was ready. If Lambert had brought him we would have had to play him straight away dropping him straight into a team made up of other kids and then had people on here rubbishing a player as soon as he played and saying why didn't we buy experience. Not many of Lamberts signings have been afforded that time, yes partly through him but mainly due to the paucity of the squad and injuries to key players.
They made a profit on Johnson and got their money back on Bily so although the signings may not have worked out in the long term, nothing was lost on those two.
It's more about what Moyes could do for Villa now than comparing him to Lambert, who has quite clearly failed.
This is a manager that I feel could get us in the top 8 within 2 seasons for starters.
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As a young hungry manager just brought up from Preston maybe, as someone who spent 11 years at one club and then under the pressure he has been under for the last 12 months, I think it will turn out he is burnt out and the hunger will not be there.
And the reason I was comparing him to Lambert now is because you were using previous signings to show Moyes could do it for us, some of those from the start of his career.
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The first mistake United made was allowing Ferguson to pick his successor. He might have been a great judge of players, but - as we know - his judgement on managers is rubbish (almost "jobs for the boys" like).
The second mistake was letting Ferguson stay at the club. It was bordering on impossible for Moyes to do the job while he was peering over his shoulder. However, that was what Ferguson wanted. Whatever anyone at United tells you, Ferguson still pulls the strings there, and Moyes was easy to control. A Van Gaal or a Mourinho would have gone in and said, "no disrespect Alex, but you times gone, clear off".
Its like Sir Matt Busby all over again.
As for us, I wouldn't even entertain going for Moyes. We need someone who can get the juices going, not another "grafter over quality" appointment.
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If we are in the same situation next season in terms of Senior mamangements approach to buying and spending, then Moyes would probably be a better bet then Lambert. However if the rumours of a takeover is true, I hope we are looking elsewhere for managers as I can see Moyes doing the equivalent of MON when Lerner first took over.
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Moyes v Lambert. Anyone not wanting the former at Villa right now needs their bumps feeling
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I mentioned elsewhere, but I wonder if the sacking is the first signs of the Glazers wrestling control away from Fergie.
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I mentioned elsewhere, but I wonder if the sacking is the first signs of the Glazers wrestling control away from Fergie.
The Glazers always were in control. As Brian Green pointed out years ago, Ferguson has always backed down from confrontation with the board.
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Billy McNeill, McLeish, Lambert, Moyes, Krankee, Michelle McManus from X factor 'fame', that hotel owner that David Walliams plays in Little Britain.
Aside from Walliams' character, they are all shite
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Moyes v Lambert. Anyone not wanting the former at Villa right now needs their bumps feeling
That's not the choice though as far as I can see. Isn't it Lambert v "Another manager". It doesn't have to be Moyes and clearly a fair few people, myself included would prefer to gamble on someone more dynamic than Moyes.
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it wasn't meant to be. moyes wouldn't come to villa but I know who I'd rather have had, had we ever enticed him here a couple of years ago
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Biliyetdinov, Johnson, Beattie and that one from Leeds that someone on here loved are others that people ignore.
Jermaine Beckford. Coopers Injury loved him iirc.
"I see Jermaine Backford is at it again!"
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The second mistake was letting Ferguson stay at the club. It was bordering on impossible for Moyes to do the job while he was peering over his shoulder.
I highlighted the similarity to the situation when Bob Paisley took over at Liverpool, and Bill Shankly used to hang round the training ground. The problem being the players kept calling Shankly 'boss', and Paisley had to ask him to leave.
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Moyes v Lambert. Anyone not wanting the former at Villa right now needs their bumps feeling
Ready when you are......
And talking about his transfer genius Jelavic for £10m sold for £2m
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Moyes v Lambert. Anyone not wanting the former at Villa right now needs their bumps feeling
Then feel my bumps baby. Touch them!!!
Seriously I want our next manager to be modern who plays progressive football. Preferably foreign. I do not like Moyes style of football. I would sooner watch Lamberts Villa.
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Moyes is not the answer. He has just been fired because he has made a series of bad decisions. I am not that impressed with his Everton achievements, the supposedly frugal budgetary constraints are often over stated.
He tried to turn Manure into a methodical boring Everton type team. He would do the same here, football has moved on.
The fact that he would be a lot better than Lambert is not a strong enough argument, a chocolate teapot would be better than Lambert.
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I'd be happier with Pulis. Wouldn't get is relegated and we'd at least put up a fight every now and then.
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Moyes bought plenty of shite at Everton, every manager does. Koldrup and van der Meyde, combined fees about £10m iirc and made about 20 appearances between them as an example.
attacking players werent really his forte. Van der Meyde was Everton's Sasa Curcic or maybe even Charles Nzogbia
good on a limited budget, arguably far better than Lambert as others have mentioned in that regard. Scary how little of a clue he had at United when given big money - Felliani and Mata may not even survive the summer clear out there.
He tended to place character and leadership higher up rather than technical or tactical ability.
Seeing as our current chairman values EPL experience over everything else, he might well be in the reckoning come the summer.
Would be best for Moyes to chance his luck in Europe though. He really needs to dump his entourage if he wants to get back in the big time of management.
Villa or Newcastle is roughly his level now in England.
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Wow. 8 or 9 bad months and the previous decade is instantly forgotton. Thats people for you.
No, nobody has forgotten anything. What most of us realize is that the game of football has evolved helluva lot in the last 5-10 years and, hence, what you accomplished 5 or so years ago doesn't mean much now.
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He paid £10m+ for Yakubu, just saying.
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Let's have a break from Scottish managers eh?
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Moyes?? No thanks.
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He paid £10m+ for Yakubu, just saying.
Ferguson paid £7m+ for Bebe. Wenger paid £8m for Francis Jeffers. It doesn't make them bad managers.
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Moyes bought plenty of shite at Everton, every manager does. Koldrup and van der Meyde, combined fees about £10m iirc and made about 20 appearances between them as an example.
Van Der Meyde was only a couple of million I think, Kroldrup cost £5m but they got most of that back when he moved to Fiorentina.
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Moyes bought plenty of shite at Everton, every manager does. Koldrup and van der Meyde, combined fees about £10m iirc and made about 20 appearances between them as an example.
Van Der Meyde was only a couple of million I think, Kroldrup cost £5m but they got most of that back when he moved to Fiorentina.
It's quite fun looking back at the old transfer and squad lists and seeing players who I'd completely forgotten existed. Danny Cadamarteri for instance - I remember making the quite brilliant prediction while seeing him score a wonder goal when him and Owen were coming through that "he'll go on to be a star. He'll have a much better career than Michael Owen". Oops.
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Solid eighteen year career though - still playing in League One with Carlisle.
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I mentioned elsewhere, but I wonder if the sacking is the first signs of the Glazers wrestling control away from Fergie.
The Glazers always were in control. As Brian Green pointed out years ago, Ferguson has always backed down from confrontation with the board.
It was always in Fergusons interest to show that he was in control, but when the green and yellow scarf thing took place and fans were calling for Fergie to get involved. He went from being the union leader on the dockyards to saying it wasn't his place. In all fairness in return he got the investment and trust he needed. That should have been the sign to most Manchester United fans that Ferguson doesn't rule with an iron fist above his payscale.
I actually like David Moyes. I think he appears to be intelligent, a gentleman and a good manager. However if we were going to gamble with another manager is Moyes not just a bit like O'Neill, MacLeish and Lambert?
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Moyes is probably the best quality manager available to a club of our financial clout at this time. Unless you want to chance a foreign manager who does not have a good command of our language but can bring in foreign players cheaply.It failed with Venglos but thinking about it Vialli might be a good bet. Speaks excellent english and understands what it takes to do well in our league. Didnt do well at Watford but even Fergie had periods like that
So if we get taken over Gianluca Vialli would be a good shout.
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There really isn't a great deal to choose from if we needed to replace Lambert. Do we go down the younger (british?) manager, in the hope that they can bring a bit of something unknown to the job? An Eddie Howe? but, we've seen many other clubs try that and fail: Ince at Blackburn, Bothroyd at Watford etc...
Moyes would be a steady option, he could definitley take us on from where we are now if we had a new approach/direction from a new owner, but I'm unsure if he could do it on our current setup. I do remember his Everton sides playing some excellent football against us a couple of times at Villa Park. I think his style would be an improvement on Lamberts style of play.
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It's easy to hide an expensive failure if you are able to buy lots of expensive players less so when you are on a limited budget. David Moyes i could never see as a success at United he is a little like Lambert went for glory but the job was too big for him, he will still be a useful manager for a mid table side. If we carry on with Lerner then yes but if we have rich new owners a definate no.
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If Randy remains in charge, then Moyes is probably the best we could hope for.
A takeover opens up different possibilities potentially.
I'd welcome the latter more, even if there's the potentially scary prospect of getting a Carson Yeung or Sinatra.
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Has anyone considered the possibility that Lambert is going nowhere?
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Has anyone considered the possibility that Lambert is going nowhere?
Nope.
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Has anyone considered the possibility that Lambert is going nowhere?
The Daily Express has, in an item which despite the identity of the "newspaper" in which it appears has something of a depressing ring of truth about it:-
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/471870/Paul-Lambert-secure-at-Aston-Villa-despite-Randy-Lerner-uncertainty
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27123088
Fergie still involved. You couldn't make it up!
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Has anyone considered the possibility that Lambert is going nowhere?
The Daily Express has, in an item which despite the identity of the "newspaper" in which it appears has something of a depressing ring of truth about it:-
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/471870/Paul-Lambert-secure-at-Aston-Villa-despite-Randy-Lerner-uncertainty
Terrible scenario. I fear it's a likely one too. Takeover drags on, manager limps along in post with limited funds, players unsettled due to uncertainty.
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Although having said that, on the other hand Mat Kendrick has stuck the boot in today, which suggests he might know something we don't:-
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mat-kendrick-five-point-plan-revive-7020639
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But. he spent 11 years at Goodison and only finished in the bottom half of the table twice in that time. Prior to that, Everton were a shambles. I'd take some of that at the moment.
And the very first season he leaves, his replacement gives Everton their best season in 11+ years
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Although having said that, on the other hand Mat Kendrick has stuck the boot in today, which suggests he might know something we don't:-
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mat-kendrick-five-point-plan-revive-7020639
Better late than never, Mat!
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Has anyone considered the possibility that Lambert is going nowhere?
The Daily Express has, in an item which despite the identity of the "newspaper" in which it appears has something of a depressing ring of truth about it:-
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/471870/Paul-Lambert-secure-at-Aston-Villa-despite-Randy-Lerner-uncertainty
Has anyone considered the possibility that Lambert is going nowhere?
The Daily Express has, in an item which despite the identity of the "newspaper" in which it appears has something of a depressing ring of truth about it:-
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/471870/Paul-Lambert-secure-at-Aston-Villa-despite-Randy-Lerner-uncertainty
Terrible scenario. I fear it's a likely one too. Takeover drags on, manager limps along in post with limited funds, players unsettled due to uncertainty.
If he is selling then appointing a new manager that the new owner might not want would be daft and costly. Better to leave if for the new bloke to decide what he wants to do.
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How long was it before Sir Graham took the Wolves job after England ? He was still battle scarred from the England job. For this reason id leave Moyes alone for a while.
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If Randy remains in charge, then Moyes is probably the best we could hope for.
A takeover opens up different possibilities potentially.
I'd welcome the latter more, even if there's the potentially scary prospect of getting a Carson Yeung or Sinatra.
I would hope Randy would vet prospective buyers better than that. If it's a choice between Randy and someone like that, I'd rather remain as we are.
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For all his errors over the last fews,Randy does seem a decent and honest bloke, im sure he'd leave us in good hands.
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Thank god for the Wisdom of Robbie Savage. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27114787)
His plan for ManUre to turn this around includes:-
- Spend Money (Well duh)
- Sell players. (Well duh)
- Go back to playing the "Manure Way" (For anyone who doesn't know, that is trying to play defensively poorly against teams better then you which I thought Moyes was doing)
- Get foulers in midfield. (There haven't been someone trying to cripple anyone in midfield since Keane or Scholes apparently)
- Get all the youth team from 92 in as coaches, (including trying to get Gary Neville off Sky as he makes him look bad on BBC).
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Most football supporters in this country would love to see Manchester United go into a long-term decline. I would be ok with them never winning anything again.
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Jurgen Klopp has ruled himself out of the Man Utd manager job, on the advice of his brother and agent, Klippity.
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Most football supporters in this country would love to see Manchester United go into a long-term decline. I would be ok with them never winning anything again.
I concur . With bells on.
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How long was it before Sir Graham took the Wolves job after England ? He was still battle scarred from the England job. For this reason id leave Moyes alone for a while.
Not long enough - about 4-5 months.
And like Villa job it was not an easy job as Wolves fans and the media thought they should breeze through the 2nd tier - despite a few couple of other teams having decent amounts of money.
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Most football supporters in this country would love to see Manchester United go into a long-term decline. I would be ok with them never winning anything again.
I concur . With bells on.
Agree. Happily.
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Thank god for the Wisdom of Robbie Savage. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27114787)
His plan for ManUre to turn this around includes:-
- Spend Money (Well duh)
- Sell players. (Well duh)
- Go back to playing the "Manure Way" (For anyone who doesn't know, that is trying to play defensively poorly against teams better then you which I thought Moyes was doing)
- Get foulers in midfield. (There haven't been someone trying to cripple anyone in midfield since Keane or Scholes apparently)
- Get all the youth team from 92 in as coaches, (including trying to get Gary Neville off Sky as he makes him look bad on BBC).
Anybody see Matt Kendrick's 5 point plan for reviving Villa today? It also comes from the school of the blindingly obvious.
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Jurgen Klopp has ruled himself out of the Man Utd manager job, on the advice of his brother and agent, Klippity.
excellent work......would you mind if I use this ?
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Jurgen Klopp has ruled himself out of the Man Utd manager job, on the advice of his brother and agent, Klippity.
excellent work......would you mind if I use this ?
I stole it myself.
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Moyes did well with a limited budget, to an extent at Everton, especially some of his recruits from lower leagues like Jagielka, Lescott, and Cahill. But to me his style of football was rather drab and old school, and it would be too much like getting O'Neill mk II in. Even with more cash to spend than he had at Everton I suspect he would share the same glass ceiling (top 6-8) as O'Neill due to his tactical limitations. That may sound great compared to what we've had since MON but I think the novelty would soon wear off. I'd much prefer to see someone who seems to know how to play an expansive passing game with tactical flexibility - and that probably means looking abroad, unless Rodgers gets bored at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
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The United lot haven't quite sussed yet that they have no god given right to success..Most of them came along with the sky gravy train so they just don't get the concept that their time could be over.Now us lot here are used to reality but the only reality United fans get are the shit reality TV shows
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Moyes did well with a limited budget, to an extent at Everton, especially some of his recruits from lower leagues like Jagielka, Lescott, and Cahill. But to me his style of football was rather drab and old school, and it would be too much like getting O'Neill mk II in. Even with more cash to spend than he had at Everton I suspect he would share the same glass ceiling (top 6-8) as O'Neill due to his tactical limitations. That may sound great compared to what we've had since MON but I think the novelty would soon wear off. I'd much prefer to see someone who seems to know how to play an expansive passing game with tactical flexibility - and that probably means looking abroad, unless Rodgers gets bored at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
I would agree on the whole, but I will say I thought his Everton team for the last couple of seasons started to play much better football than the previous versions, which has probably helped Martinez a lot too.
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Moyes did well with a limited budget, to an extent at Everton, especially some of his recruits from lower leagues like Jagielka, Lescott, and Cahill. But to me his style of football was rather drab and old school, and it would be too much like getting O'Neill mk II in. Even with more cash to spend than he had at Everton I suspect he would share the same glass ceiling (top 6-8) as O'Neill due to his tactical limitations. That may sound great compared to what we've had since MON but I think the novelty would soon wear off. I'd much prefer to see someone who seems to know how to play an expansive passing game with tactical flexibility - and that probably means looking abroad, unless Rodgers gets bored at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
I would agree on the whole, but I will say I thought his Everton team for the last couple of seasons started to play much better football than the previous versions, which has probably helped Martinez a lot too.
You're right Lee, and I was alluding to that earlier. It took Moyes 10 years to build that and I don't know that he would have the time to do that again or indeed the energy at another club. Had he come to us post MON, I think we'd be 4 years into that process and we'd be taking shape nicely as a solid if unspectacular club. But 4 years since MON, I don't think any Villa fan has the appetite for that style of football or indeed that ground zero style rebuilding project. The first thing many including myself want to see is a better brand of football even if that came with some short term pain in terms of results. That's what Martinez might have brought had he decided to join us from Wigan. Moyes needs a break from management. We need a break from his style of football.
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You're right Lee, and I was alluding to that earlier. It took Moyes 10 years to build that and I don't know that he would have the time to do that again or indeed the energy at another club. Had he come to us post MON, I think we'd be 4 years into that process and we'd be taking shape nicely as a solid if unspectacular club. But 4 years since MON, I don't think any Villa fan has the appetite for that style of football or indeed that ground zero style rebuilding project. The first thing many including myself want to see is a better brand of football even if that came with some short term pain in terms of results. That's what Martinez might have brought had he decided to join us from Wigan. Moyes needs a break from management. We need a break from his style of football.
I think you're absolutely right that no-one has the appetite for a ground-zero rebuilding project. Assuming no mega-bucks takeover, what we need is for either Lambert or A.N. Other to get more out of what have now and to add three or four players of £8-10m type quality at the top end of the squad.
That's why I think Moyes would be good for this squad. I think he could come in and get better results with the squad we've got now plus a couple of carefully chosen new additions, and wouldn't want to completely start again.
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This squad could easily have finished in the top half of the table, with the right coaching and proper motivation. Newcastle look likely to be in the top ten and their results have been ludicrously bad since the new year.
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Once we have benteke Okore nzogbia and Kozak back, add a couple of astute loans and a couple of quality £8m ish signings and we are a top 10 side if they all stay fit.
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This squad could easily have finished in the top half of the table, with the right coaching and proper motivation. Newcastle look likely to be in the top ten and their results have been ludicrously bad since the new year.
My thoughts exactly, Damon. Right now we're not a midtable side, we're a bottom half side playing like a relegation side.
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This squad could easily have finished in the top half of the table, with the right coaching and proper motivation. Newcastle look likely to be in the top ten and their results have been ludicrously bad since the new year.
True enough about Newcastle- it's difficult to believe they've picked up so many points.
As I see it though Guzan, Vlaar, Delph and Benteke are quality Premier League players. Okore most probably is. Westwood & Bacuna on a good day maybe. The rest are Championship. The starting XI Southampton was laughably bad- I never had any hope we'd score.
I'm no fan of Lambert but with the squad he has (albeit of his own making) I really don't think we could have expected much better.
That said, below Southampton there's little in it and 4 good players would give us a top half side..
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I'm a fan of Moyes, but look if we're gonna have a decent amount of cash to spend next season (new owners and all that) let's go for someone who actually plays exciting attacking football for a change. Christ we deserve it after the last few years of Lambert and McLeish.
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Moyes did well with a limited budget, to an extent at Everton, especially some of his recruits from lower leagues like Jagielka, Lescott, and Cahill. But to me his style of football was rather drab and old school, and it would be too much like getting O'Neill mk II in. Even with more cash to spend than he had at Everton I suspect he would share the same glass ceiling (top 6-8) as O'Neill due to his tactical limitations. That may sound great compared to what we've had since MON but I think the novelty would soon wear off. I'd much prefer to see someone who seems to know how to play an expansive passing game with tactical flexibility - and that probably means looking abroad, unless Rodgers gets bored at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
I would agree on the whole, but I will say I thought his Everton team for the last couple of seasons started to play much better football than the previous versions, which has probably helped Martinez a lot too.
You're right Lee, and I was alluding to that earlier. It took Moyes 10 years to build that and I don't know that he would have the time to do that again or indeed the energy at another club. Had he come to us post MON, I think we'd be 4 years into that process and we'd be taking shape nicely as a solid if unspectacular club. But 4 years since MON, I don't think any Villa fan has the appetite for that style of football or indeed that ground zero style rebuilding project. The first thing many including myself want to see is a better brand of football even if that came with some short term pain in terms of results. That's what Martinez might have brought had he decided to join us from Wigan. Moyes needs a break from management. We need a break from his style of football.
No, I agree, I'm not arguing his case just pointing out he wasn't as one dimensional as MON.
For me, it's not about getting the most impressive manager you can, but getting the right man for where you are as a club. After the last, well frankly 15 years bar the odd bright spot it's been drab as fuck down here and the next manager needs to be someone who can play modern fucking football.
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He paid £10m+ for Yakubu, just saying.
Yakubu 10m - 33 goals in 107 appearance in all competitions - 74 starts, 33 subs
Beattie has a shite record but they managed to mug Bryan Robson at Sheff Utd to spend 4m on him. They made a profit on Johnson 2m or so.
Unfortunately some of our record/high profile forward signings that we have let go/will let go for nothing also have similarish records to the Yak.
Darren Bent 18m-24m - 25 goals in 64 appearances in all competitions - 52 starts 12 subs
Juan Pablo Angel 9.5m - 62 goals in 205 appearances in all competitions - 158 starts 47 subs
Stanley Victor Collymore 7m - 15 goals in 64 appearances in all competitions - 52 starts 12 subs
Bosco Balaban 6m - ..............
At least with Baros, Houllier saved our bacon by swapping Carew for him. Again maybe a Sporting Director type of figure would better gauge when to cut players loose too. Not selling Carew for a couple of million the summer MON left an example of burning cash.
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When you look at Bent's figures you see what a total waste he was for us. Not even two seasons and still a great goal to game ratio... and he'll leave on a free.
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This squad could easily have finished in the top half of the table, with the right coaching and proper motivation. Newcastle look likely to be in the top ten and their results have been ludicrously bad since the new year.
True enough about Newcastle- it's difficult to believe they've picked up so many points.
i think on at least three or four occasions this season, Newcastle have turned draws into wins with goals past 90 minutes. I appreciate that that is itself a skill, but in their case, it struck me as lucky. That probably explains their league position.
I saw their home record since the turn of the year recently, and it was just staggeringly bad.
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When you look at Bent's figures you see what a total waste he was for us. Not even two seasons and still a great goal to game ratio... and he'll leave on a free.
guess with Gabby at the time struggling to hit a cows arse with a banjo, we were on the slippery slope to the Championship when he came in.
Working with Young and Downing he was in great shape. He was England's main striker pre Euro 2012 until his injury.
That injury seems to have killed his mobility and his heart is long since gone too.
Sometimes it cant be helped but perhaps we could have let him go for 6m or so if Lambert didnt fancy him very early on.
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Moyes v Lambert. Anyone not wanting the former at Villa right now needs their bumps feeling
Ready when you are......
And talking about his transfer genius Jelavic for £10m sold for £2m
They paid 6m for Jelavic and he had a great 12-18 months for them, hardly the worst buy in the world.
We've recently paid 7m for that lump Kozak.
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Moyes v Lambert. Anyone not wanting the former at Villa right now needs their bumps feeling
Ready when you are......
And talking about his transfer genius Jelavic for £10m sold for £2m
They paid 6m for Jelavic and he had a great 12-18 months for them, hardly the worst buy in the world.
We've recently paid 7m for that lump Kozak.
Ultimately any criticism of what Moyes did has to be tempered by the fact that, whatever it was, it was good enough to get him the Man United job.
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Moyes v Lambert. Anyone not wanting the former at Villa right now needs their bumps feeling
Ready when you are......
And talking about his transfer genius Jelavic for £10m sold for £2m
They paid 6m for Jelavic and he had a great 12-18 months for them, hardly the worst buy in the world.
We've recently paid 7m for that lump Kozak.
Ultimately any criticism of what Moyes did has to be tempered by the fact that, whatever it was, it was good enough to get him the Man United job.
I don't really think that works. It was a bad decision to give him the job, irrespective of the good stuff that he undoubtedly did at Everton.
It's a bit like saying "ultimately any criticism of what McLeish did has to be tempered by the fact that whatever it was, it was good enough to get him the Villa job".
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you mean like winning silverware?
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Moyes v Lambert. Anyone not wanting the former at Villa right now needs their bumps feeling
Ready when you are......
And talking about his transfer genius Jelavic for £10m sold for £2m
They paid 6m for Jelavic and he had a great 12-18 months for them, hardly the worst buy in the world.
We've recently paid 7m for that lump Kozak.
Ultimately any criticism of what Moyes did has to be tempered by the fact that, whatever it was, it was good enough to get him the Man United job.
I don't really think that works. It was a bad decision to give him the job, irrespective of the good stuff that he undoubtedly did at Everton.
It's a bit like saying "ultimately any criticism of what McLeish did has to be tempered by the fact that whatever it was, it was good enough to get him the Villa job".
I don't think Moyes would have got the United job if the Glazers hadn't felt obliged to take the advice of possibly the worst recommender of managers around. For all his decent record at Everton I do recall contributors from here looking at one or two of their forums 3 or 4 years ago and being a little surprised at the criticism of Moyes which was very much akin to the criticism MON was getting from Villa fans - dull predictable football being one of the main ones, if I recall correctly, and the feeling that he had taken them as far as he was ever going to.
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I wonder where Liverpool would be at the moment, if they'd sacked Rodgers last season for finishing 7th and being dumped out the FA Cup by Oldham.
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I wonder where Liverpool would be at the moment, if they'd sacked Rodgers last season for finishing 7th and being dumped out the FA Cup by Oldham.
Looking back, wish he'd been sacked
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Moyes v Lambert. Anyone not wanting the former at Villa right now needs their bumps feeling
But it's not like that is it ?. If they were the only two managers in the world then yes, i'd take Moyes.
But they're not. Personally i wouldn't want him and i think we need to look for a progressive manager.
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I must be on my own but I thought Everton played attractive football under Moyes, it would be hard not to with Pienaar, Osman, Baines and Arteta in the team and Cahill breaking from deep and scoring for fun. It was certainly better football than we've played over the last 8-10 years, including under O'Neill, albeit I thought the football under M'ON was pretty damn exciting.
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Most football supporters in this country would love to see Manchester United go into a long-term decline. I would be ok with them never winning anything again.
Yes that is why I want them to be totally burdened by the legacy that was Ferguson and the so called class of 92. I love the fact that they have appointed the holy trinity management of Giggs/Scholes/Neville for now. I hope they win all remaining games 6-0 each and the clamour to appoint them is so huge that they become permanent and seeds for long term destruction are firmly sown next season.
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I must be on my own but I thought Everton played attractive football under Moyes, it would be hard not to with Pienaar, Osman, Baines and Arteta in the team and Cahill breaking from deep and scoring for fun. It was certainly better football than we've played over the last 8-10 years, including under O'Neill, albeit I thought the football under M'ON was pretty damn exciting.
Pretty much what I had posted one or two pages back.
A question for those those who think that Everton played dour football under Moyes.
If that was so why did Ferguson recommend Moyes to the board at Manchester United when the heritage of football at Manchester United has always been about playing attacking progressive football?
Thinking about it here's another question. Why didn't the board at Manchester United approach Mourinho? Could it be that Mourinho just doesn't play the type of football to placate Man U fans?
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If that was so why did Ferguson recommend Moyes to the board at Manchester United when the heritage of football at Manchester United has always been about playing attacking progressive football?
The football heritage at Man Utd for the last two decades has been "have really good wingers and strikers and cross it as much as possible".
Which is fine, the results that it brought about were fantastic - but there wasn't really anything progressive about what they did on the pitch.
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If that was so why did Ferguson recommend Moyes to the board at Manchester United when the heritage of football at Manchester United has always been about playing attacking progressive football?
The football heritage at Man Utd for the last two decades has been "have really good wingers and strikers and cross it as much as possible".
Which is fine, the results that it brought about were fantastic - but there wasn't really anything progressive about what they did on the pitch.
Oddly, all the progressive stuff they did was defensive. The famous defeat to Real and Fergie's subsequent hiring of Queiroz brought about a huge change in how they approached defending, including defensive ball-hogging. They were also good for individual stars for this reason, as Ronaldo likes to be given space and license to do what he likes on the break, while other players behind him do the actual defending.
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Only once under Moyes did they score more than they have this season, and they still have 3 to play. They managed 34 one season. Even when they finished 4th they did it with a minus GD and a total of 45 goals scored. Like most teams bobbing around 6th-10th they sometimes played great stuff, and sometimes real dire shite. Most telling thing for me with Moyes is that the Division 3 title is still the best thing he has won.
Moyes is a decent manager, nothing more, nothing less.
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Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.
In a choice between the two, there's no contest.
That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.
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He'll be in at Newcastle before the World Cup starts.
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It's hard to say he isn't a PL standard manager after three seasons and zero relegations. Time might prove he isn't up to it, and he may well be the wrong manager for us right now, doesn't mean he isn't PL standard though imo.
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Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.
In a choice between the two, there's no contest.
That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.
At least Lambert has achieved things with promotions up the divisions
Moyes has achieved nothing absolutely nothing apart from keeping a big club in the prem by playing safe boring football in the main
Wow
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It's hard to say he isn't a PL standard manager after three seasons and zero relegations. Time might prove he isn't up to it, and he may well be the wrong manager for us right now, doesn't mean he isn't PL standard though imo.
If I were gonna guess I'd say he's destined to head the Paul Jewell route. We shall see.
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Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.
In a choice between the two, there's no contest.
That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.
PL standard argument is nonsense. Moyse has had 11 years Lambert just 3 and we all remember early on when Everton were nearly relegated.
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Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.
In a choice between the two, there's no contest.
That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.
At least Lambert has achieved things with promotions up the divisions
Moyes has achieved nothing absolutely nothing apart from keeping a big club in the prem by playing safe boring football in the main
Wow
Moyes did more than just keep Everton up. They're on a lower mid-table budget and they've stayed pretty much around the top 8 for most of his time, including a 4th placed finish, several 5th place finishes too.
If Lambert ever achieves that I'll eat my left hand.
I'm not saying Lamberts own achievements aren't impressive, but long term I don't think he has enough in his locker. I see him as another Paul Jewell. He'll have his stint in the top flight before dropping back down to his level.
Although to clarify I wouldn't particularly want Moyes here. In a direct choice between him and Lambert, I'd choose Moyes but I'm hoping for a more interesting choice this summer (IF we do get a new manager).
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It's hard to say he isn't a PL standard manager after three seasons and zero relegations. Time might prove he isn't up to it, and he may well be the wrong manager for us right now, doesn't mean he isn't PL standard though imo.
If I were gonna guess I'd say he's destined to head the Paul Jewell route. We shall see.
who moyes, yes I agree
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Moyes did more than just keep Everton up. They're on a lower mid-table budget
I bet there aren't many lower mid-table sides who have spent £15m on a midfielder before.
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Moyes has done more, but he's had more time to do more. The problem is that both of them are cut from a British cloth of a boringly familiar dye - the long balls, the reliance on big strikers, the poor passing, the feeling that hard work actually does make up for technique. I've had enough of this, whoever's serving it up.
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Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.
In a choice between the two, there's no contest.
That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.
PL standard argument is nonsense. Moyse has had 11 years Lambert just 3 and we all remember early on when Everton were nearly relegated.
Could you see Lambert consistently finishing in European spots over a number of years?
Certain managers do well in lower leagues but just struggle at the highest level. Warnock, McCarthy, Jewell, Holloway. They've had a few years between them at this level as an example. Are they Premiership quality managers?
Everton spent years before Moyes came in almost getting relegated. He had his struggles early on but he steadied the ship and they've spent years in the top 8 now on peanuts.
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Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.
In a choice between the two, there's no contest.
That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.
Moyes became a solid PL manager over the course of 10 years where along the way he made good decisions along with mistakes. Lambert has been doing it for 3 years at this level. I don't think it's fair to say Lambert isn't PL standard as a comparison to Moyes after just 3 years.
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Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.
In a choice between the two, there's no contest.
That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.
At least Lambert has achieved things with promotions up the divisions
Moyes has achieved nothing absolutely nothing apart from keeping a big club in the prem by playing safe boring football in the main
Wow
Moyes did more than just keep Everton up. They're on a lower mid-table budget and they've stayed pretty much around the top 8 for most of his time, including a 4th placed finish, several 5th place finishes too.
If Lambert ever achieves that I'll eat my left hand.
I'm not saying Lamberts own achievements aren't impressive, but long term I don't think he has enough in his locker. I see him as another Paul Jewell. He'll have his stint in the top flight before dropping back down to his level.
Although to clarify I wouldn't particularly want Moyes here. In a direct choice between him and Lambert, I'd choose Moyes but I'm hoping for a more interesting choice this summer (IF we do get a new manager).
the team he left are better now than when he was there, that in the first season of the new manager
the team he went to were champions and are now upper mid table, I hate man Utd but even I didn't dream he could be this disasterous, he has been brilliantly useless,
and you say he some good, no chance
Lambert s twice the manager that Moyes will ever be, he has achieved more in less time for a start, moyes is now a busted flush,
lambert has also been working in pretty difficult circumstances, far worse than anything he had to cope with at Everton
I'm not saying that Lambert is the answer for Villa, but Moyes is absolutely crap which he has just proved
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
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Moyes did more than just keep Everton up. They're on a lower mid-table budget
I bet there aren't many lower mid-table sides who have spent £15m on a midfielder before.
They don't spend big money often though. They were still finishing above Liverpool for several seasons and close to some of the big spenders.
That was also the reward for finishing in Europe. If you do it regularly, you get better players. They certainly didn't buy their position like some clubs.
Moyes of course isn't the most exciting manager in terms of style but one thing Everton had always looked under him, was efficient and well organised.
Very rarely do we look anything other than headless chickens under Lambert. Once he leaves here he'll be very fortunate if he gets a Premiership job to follow up.
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
I don't know what the average league position is over the last 10 years, but I bet its close, we might even nick it with the 3 top 6 places
which if true just goes to show that Moyes been seen as suedo successful while we have been a running joke, yet not a lot in it,
grass greener sydrome
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
First you don't know that Lambert couldn't improve our record with the right financial backing to something equivalent to Moyes. Second in the last 10 years McLeish won the league cup which is more than Moyes won at Everton. Does that eclipse Moyes' record at Everton of having won nothing at all?
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I think he needs a break after his time at United. He has aged ten years in less than twelve months. Even after a break I am not sure how well he will bounce back. I also think after his time at United the media will be waiting for him to mess up his next job too. He doesn't seem to have the bouncebackability factor of someone like BFR for example.
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Since Everton finished 4th in 2005, their Premier League finishes under Moyes: 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th.
If that's crap then I'll happily take crap. Lambert just wouldn't be able to match that, even at a string of clubs and no matter his budget. Not without an exceptional coaching set up. No way, no how could he do that and Moyes isn't even a great manager. Lamberts punching above his weight and it shows.
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Moyes is a solid Premier League manager. Lambert isn't a Premier League standard manager.
In a choice between the two, there's no contest.
That said I think Moyes will be in employment before we've sorted ourselves out regarding potential new ownership/new management.
PL standard argument is nonsense. Moyse has had 11 years Lambert just 3 and we all remember early on when Everton were nearly relegated.
Could you see Lambert consistently finishing in European spots over a number of years?
Certain managers do well in lower leagues but just struggle at the highest level. Warnock, McCarthy, Jewell, Holloway. They've had a few years between them at this level as an example. Are they Premiership quality managers?
Everton spent years before Moyes came in almost getting relegated. He had his struggles early on but he steadied the ship and they've spent years in the top 8 now on peanuts.
Didn't Moyes only qualify for Europe 4 times with Everton?
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
I don't know what the average league position is over the last 10 years, but I bet its close, we might even nick it with the 3 top 6 places
which if true just goes to show that Moyes been seen as suedo successful while we have been a running joke, yet not a lot in it,
grass greener sydrome
We have finished above Everton twice in the last ten years. They haven't been below 8th for eight years, so for me that is a fair bit of a difference.
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
First you don't know that Lambert couldn't improve our record with the right financial backing to something equivalent to Moyes. Second in the last 10 years McLeish won the league cup which is more than Moyes won at Everton. Does that eclipse Moyes' record at Everton of having won nothing at all?
A league cup win would be nice but your talking an element of luck over 7-8 games, as opposed to 38 games to establish a league position over a season. Moyes had Everton playing Europe more than one cup win did for Blose (and it also cost them their Prem status).
Of course none of us know for certain and the truth of the matter is, Lambert won't get 10 years at the club, or any other club. For me the budget and the players aren't the biggest problem from the last two seasons. They don't help by any means, but the biggest issue has been how clueless we've looked on the pitch all too often, particularly early last season and all of this. You can't excuse a side looking so devoid of organisation and ideas. That rests on Lambert.
But if I'm putting down a bet, I'd say in 2-3 years time Moyes will be managing a mid-table Premiership club and Lambert will be in the Championship or lower. That's my gut feeling.
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I think he needs a break after his time at United. He has aged ten years in less than twelve months. Even after a break I am not sure how well he will bounce back. I also think after his time at United the media will be waiting for him to mess up his next job too. He doesn't seem to have the bouncebackability factor of someone like BFR for example.
I'd agree with that. It reminds me of when McLaren lost his job with England. You got the impression that he either needed a break or a move to another country to prove himself again.
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I think he needs a break after his time at United. He has aged ten years in less than twelve months. Even after a break I am not sure how well he will bounce back. I also think after his time at United the media will be waiting for him to mess up his next job too. He doesn't seem to have the bouncebackability factor of someone like BFR for example.
I'd agree with that. It reminds me of when McLaren lost his job with England. You got the impression that he either needed a break or a move to another country to prove himself again.
It may well be he'll do a Di Matteo and have a paid years holiday.
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
I don't know what the average league position is over the last 10 years, but I bet its close, we might even nick it with the 3 top 6 places
which if true just goes to show that Moyes been seen as suedo successful while we have been a running joke, yet not a lot in it,
grass greener sydrome
Last ten years
Us Everton
6th 17th
10th 4th
16th 11th
11th 6th
6th 5th
6th 5th
6th 8th
9th 7th
16th 7th
15th 6th
Average 10.1 7.6
in the last 10 years McLeish won the league cup which is more than Moyes won at Everton. Does that eclipse Moyes' record at Everton of having won nothing at all?
No
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
First you don't know that Lambert couldn't improve our record with the right financial backing to something equivalent to Moyes. Second in the last 10 years McLeish won the league cup which is more than Moyes won at Everton. Does that eclipse Moyes' record at Everton of having won nothing at all?
No you're right i'm not a fortune teller just merely giving an opinion on how I see it .As for the McLeish argument, well it is nothing other than an argument. Ramos,Di Matteo,Redknapp and Laudrup have also won cups in that time and been sacked for their respective sides failing in terms of league form. Despite their cup successes i'd say Moyes' record at Everton does eclipse theirs.
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
First you don't know that Lambert couldn't improve our record with the right financial backing to something equivalent to Moyes.
True but Lambert not knowing his arse from his elbow weighs against him matching Moyes' record.
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I'd say under the current set up - about £10m to £20m a year to spend and no DoF or footballing know-how in the club other than the manager - then Moyes is the ideal/best/most realistic alternative to Lambert.
However if we're sold, or Randy changes tactics and appoints a DoF then I would not want Moyes at the club purely because I think there is a limit to how far that type of manager can go in the modern game. This is higher than we currently reside but unlikely to get anyone above about 6th in the league.
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I'd say under the current set up - about £10m to £20m a year to spend and no DoF or footballing know-how in the club other than the manager - then Moyes is the ideal/best/most realistic alternative to Lambert.
However if we're sold, or Randy changes tactics and appoints a DoF then I would not want Moyes at the club purely because I think there is a limit to how far that type of manager can go in the modern game. This is higher than we currently reside but unlikely to get anyone above about 6th in the league.
This for me.
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
First you don't know that Lambert couldn't improve our record with the right financial backing to something equivalent to Moyes.
True but Lambert not knowing his arse from his elbow weighs against him matching Moyes' record.
I think Moyes provided plenty of evidence of not knowing his arse from a hole in the ground in the past 9 months.
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
First you don't know that Lambert couldn't improve our record with the right financial backing to something equivalent to Moyes.
True but Lambert not knowing his arse from his elbow weighs against him matching Moyes' record.
I think Moyes provided plenty of evidence of not knowing his arse from a hole in the ground in the past 9 months.
True but that just reflects even more poorly on Lambert. Anyway, why are we discussing Moyes? If he's the best replacement to Lambert we may as well give up and call it a day. We need somebody that will immediately change us not somebody that needs ten years to discover it helps to play with strikers.
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
First you don't know that Lambert couldn't improve our record with the right financial backing to something equivalent to Moyes.
True but Lambert not knowing his arse from his elbow weighs against him matching Moyes' record.
I think Moyes provided plenty of evidence of not knowing his arse from a hole in the ground in the past 9 months.
True but that just reflects even more poorly on Lambert. Anyway, why are we discussing Moyes? If he's the best replacement to Lambert we may as well give up and call it a day. We need somebody that will immediately change us not somebody that needs ten years to discover it helps to play with strikers.
I completely agree with that. I'm not totally against Lambert, although much more so than before. I'm not totally against Moyes, but much more so that had we looked to hire him 4 years ago. But like you I'm exhausted by the same old same old and I just want to see a change of managerial style and philosophy. Moyes would not bring that, certainly not in the short term.
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
I don't know what the average league position is over the last 10 years, but I bet its close, we might even nick it with the 3 top 6 places
which if true just goes to show that Moyes been seen as suedo successful while we have been a running joke, yet not a lot in it,
grass greener sydrome
We have finished above Everton twice in the last ten years. They haven't been below 8th for eight years, so for me that is a fair bit of a difference.
Given that of those three top six place seasons we had, Everton finished fifth in two of them, they weren't going to make too much difference.
Moyes is a safe, stable bet over a long period of time.
Unfortunately, that's not what this club needs - we need a total, radical overhaul, not just a return to safety.
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
I don't know what the average league position is over the last 10 years, but I bet its close, we might even nick it with the 3 top 6 places
which if true just goes to show that Moyes been seen as suedo successful while we have been a running joke, yet not a lot in it,
grass greener sydrome
We have finished above Everton twice in the last ten years. They haven't been below 8th for eight years, so for me that is a fair bit of a difference.
Given that of those three top six place seasons we had, Everton finished fifth in two of them, they weren't going to make too much difference.
Moyes is a safe, stable bet over a long period of time.
Unfortunately, that's not what this club needs - we need a total, radical overhaul, not just a return to safety.
Agree.
If we do get the BIG takeover he's not the man.
If we don't, he could well be.
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We need Lennon to jump ship so Lambert can move to Celtic.
We then need a DoF (preferably one that understands Villa and does not have a love in with previous clubs) to act as a conduit between a clueless board when it comes to football and a (new) set of very good 1st team coaches.
Oh and 5 or 6 first team players as well as the 2 newer signings (JO/LK) back to full fitness.
Not much required then.
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Small steps guys.
A lot of you seem to not want Moyes because his glass ceiling is probably similar to MON's (5th/6th) due to his style of football. However I think some people are forgetting just how irrelevant we've become to many other PL sides these days, 'Villa used to have something about them' type comments are all top regular in my ear for my liking. Although they are true. We've been a bottom 6 side scraping around the 40 point mark for 3 years (4 if you include Houllier's), you can't just ignore this due to our traditions, it's where we are at this moment in time and have been for a while.
I want us to be relevant again, competing in the top half of the division and for Villa Park not to be such a piss easy ground to come to for 3 points. Moyes would make us hard to beat, improve our home record considerably and I'd be very surprised if we weren't top 8 within 2 seasons. Over a longer period of time, no he probably wouldn't be able to take us above around 6th or get us passing teams off the park. I'm not sure who some fans think we could attract in the mean time who would play such a great style and transform us from bottom 6 regulars to top 6.
We need a period of stability with a decent manager in charge, or we'll go down, that's the way we are heading. Moyes fits the bill and I can't see many other candidates in his mould, if he came in, it doesn't mean it'd be for 11 years like he spent at Everton. If our board were ambitious enough, they'd dispense of a manager when they thought he'd taken us as far as we could.
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Disagree Hoyle87. It's not just that his style has that glass ceiling, it's that we've had enough of this particular limited footballing style. Swansea and Southampton have managed to combine progress with a footballing identity - some would say because of it - through many divisions. Moyes' record looks good over 11 years, but how many of the last few years could actually have been better for Everton if someone more like Martinez had been in charge? It could be that Moyes actually limited them for the last few years, and who's to say in the next few years that this limiting will trickle down the league from the top six to the whole division?
It's all well and good to build foundations, but if you're building them out of mud and everyone around you is building on concrete then the foundations are themselves inadequate and restricting - look at Newcastle, who have lots of players capable of playing good stuff, especially when Cabaye was there, but are clearly constrained by Pardew's near-moronic football thinking.
I'm fed up of managers content to make us 'hard to beat' (and harder to watch), to make us 'compact' and 'well-organised', where 'all the players know their jobs' and all of those other patronising euphemisms. I'm fed up with the long ball being considered a legitimate attacking tactic, with all our attacking coming from 'pace on the wings' rather than quality through the middle. I'm fed up with players moving about as freely as if their boots were stitched into the turf, of last-minute goals conceded after 89 minutes of unsuccessful bludgeoning against a simple defensive opposition, of losing the ball from throw-ins, of dreading the weekend arriving for fear of what garbage might be hurled our way this time. If sodding Southampton can do it, then so too can we.
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I think Moyes will be doubting himself big time for a while. He needs to depressurise away from football for a while and come back in about 18 months.
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Thanks to modern football I have to accept that without stupid money being spent we'll never win the league again. And probably won't qualify for the Cheats league either, certainly not for years. So to be honest, I want a manager who can win us a cup now and again, and if we're going to bounce between 5th/6th-10th/12th I want to enjoy watching us often. Like the last months of last season. I don't want to see us play boring safe football and finish 7th, 8th, 10th every season for the forseeable future which is what I think it would be under Moyes. Better than this season? Certainly, but I want a bit more longterm which is why i'm not in favour of Moyes.
I'm PWS and modern football is shit.
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I'd love to see us finish 7th 8th 10th for the next 5 years say ! After the holocaust of the last 4 years !!
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But do you want to watch us do it playing like West Ham or Southampton is more my point.
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Short term PWS I don't mind. I'd take a couple of seasons of ugly wins to be honest . A win is a win and we haven't been doing it enough especially at home
I'd love us at home to just be a horrible team to play that can grind out 1-0 wins . Short term id be happy with that.
Don't think I can handle another relegation scrap after this one.
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I think Moyes will be doubting himself big time for a while. He needs to depressurise away from football for a while and come back in about 18 months.
Agree with that - I don't think he'll have any interest in taking anything new up for a while, and if he does, I don't believe he'll give it 100% as he probably feels he should be elsewhere, i.e. Manchester.
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If we're facing reality, we have to face the fact that teams will always come to Villa Park and set men behind the ball. For whatever reason - Dave W's theory that Villa Park just makes teams feel like they're in a bigger game than they are seems very likely - for whatever reason, this is a fact. You don't break these teams down with Allardyce football, nor with counterattacking on its own. We should know - this is what we've watched, through varying budgets, for a very long time now.
Bearing this fact in mind, I'd say it's more practical and pragmatic to play a style more like Southampton's. That's a style designed front to back to break down massed defences, and that's what we'll always face for as long as Villa Park has a capacity of 40,000-plus. Like I say, it's not a case of trying this or that style - we've already tried the blunter method, and it's failed over and over again. We need something different.
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Short term PWS I don't mind. I'd take a couple of seasons of ugly wins to be honest . A win is a win and we haven't been doing it enough especially at home
I'd love us at home to just be a horrible team to play that can grind out 1-0 wins . Short term id be happy with that.
Don't think I can handle another relegation scrap after this one.
Part of me would snap anyone's hand off for that for 2 or 3 years, but it would depend as well on the manager. Pulis/Allardyce would probably manage it for example, but then the squad would be built to achieve that, so when we want to kick on we won't have the players in place to do it. We'll have a team of Kevin sodding Nolans.
And in regard to Moyes needed a break or similar, my worry if he joined us in the summer is he would be safety first as he plays it safe to rebuild his career.
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Moyes will be at west ham I reckon
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Moyes will be at west ham I reckon
My tip's Newcastle.
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Small steps guys.
A lot of you seem to not want Moyes because his glass ceiling is probably similar to MON's (5th/6th) due to his style of football. However I think some people are forgetting just how irrelevant we've become to many other PL sides these days, 'Villa used to have something about them' type comments are all top regular in my ear for my liking. Although they are true. We've been a bottom 6 side scraping around the 40 point mark for 3 years (4 if you include Houllier's), you can't just ignore this due to our traditions, it's where we are at this moment in time and have been for a while.
I want us to be relevant again, competing in the top half of the division and for Villa Park not to be such a piss easy ground to come to for 3 points. Moyes would make us hard to beat, improve our home record considerably and I'd be very surprised if we weren't top 8 within 2 seasons. Over a longer period of time, no he probably wouldn't be able to take us above around 6th or get us passing teams off the park. I'm not sure who some fans think we could attract in the mean time who would play such a great style and transform us from bottom 6 regulars to top 6.
We need a period of stability with a decent manager in charge, or we'll go down, that's the way we are heading. Moyes fits the bill and I can't see many other candidates in his mould, if he came in, it doesn't mean it'd be for 11 years like he spent at Everton. If our board were ambitious enough, they'd dispense of a manager when they thought he'd taken us as far as we could.
Spot on.
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I'd take Everton's last ten years over ours. Lambert has less chance of eclipsing Moyes' record than Oscar Pitorius has of developing athletes foot.
I don't know what the average league position is over the last 10 years, but I bet its close, we might even nick it with the 3 top 6 places
which if true just goes to show that Moyes been seen as suedo successful while we have been a running joke, yet not a lot in it,
grass greener sydrome
We have finished above Everton twice in the last ten years. They haven't been below 8th for eight years, so for me that is a fair bit of a difference.
looks like I was probably wrong about that one then
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Small steps guys.
A lot of you seem to not want Moyes because his glass ceiling is probably similar to MON's (5th/6th) due to his style of football. However I think some people are forgetting just how irrelevant we've become to many other PL sides these days, 'Villa used to have something about them' type comments are all top regular in my ear for my liking. Although they are true. We've been a bottom 6 side scraping around the 40 point mark for 3 years (4 if you include Houllier's), you can't just ignore this due to our traditions, it's where we are at this moment in time and have been for a while.
I want us to be relevant again, competing in the top half of the division and for Villa Park not to be such a piss easy ground to come to for 3 points. Moyes would make us hard to beat, improve our home record considerably and I'd be very surprised if we weren't top 8 within 2 seasons. Over a longer period of time, no he probably wouldn't be able to take us above around 6th or get us passing teams off the park. I'm not sure who some fans think we could attract in the mean time who would play such a great style and transform us from bottom 6 regulars to top 6.
We need a period of stability with a decent manager in charge, or we'll go down, that's the way we are heading. Moyes fits the bill and I can't see many other candidates in his mould, if he came in, it doesn't mean it'd be for 11 years like he spent at Everton. If our board were ambitious enough, they'd dispense of a manager when they thought he'd taken us as far as we could.
I don't want him because hes a boring negative fart, that's it really
I know that's what we've had the last few seasons and that's why i'm fed up with having more of the same
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Disagree Hoyle87. It's not just that his style has that glass ceiling, it's that we've had enough of this particular limited footballing style. Swansea and Southampton have managed to combine progress with a footballing identity - some would say because of it - through many divisions. Moyes' record looks good over 11 years, but how many of the last few years could actually have been better for Everton if someone more like Martinez had been in charge? It could be that Moyes actually limited them for the last few years, and who's to say in the next few years that this limiting will trickle down the league from the top six to the whole division?
It's all well and good to build foundations, but if you're building them out of mud and everyone around you is building on concrete then the foundations are themselves inadequate and restricting - look at Newcastle, who have lots of players capable of playing good stuff, especially when Cabaye was there, but are clearly constrained by Pardew's near-moronic football thinking.
I'm fed up of managers content to make us 'hard to beat' (and harder to watch), to make us 'compact' and 'well-organised', where 'all the players know their jobs' and all of those other patronising euphemisms. I'm fed up with the long ball being considered a legitimate attacking tactic, with all our attacking coming from 'pace on the wings' rather than quality through the middle. I'm fed up with players moving about as freely as if their boots were stitched into the turf, of last-minute goals conceded after 89 minutes of unsuccessful bludgeoning against a simple defensive opposition, of losing the ball from throw-ins, of dreading the weekend arriving for fear of what garbage might be hurled our way this time. If sodding Southampton can do it, then so too can we.
Amen to that, Monty.
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Totally agree, Monty.
I want us to be fun to watch.
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One step at a time guys. We aren't going to become good overnight.
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One step at a time guys. We aren't going to become good overnight.
There is a false premise behind this, though, that in order to play good football you have to be successful first. I say that this is precisely the wrong way round. In any case, we're not asking to become Champions' League contenders - just that if we achieve our aim of solid midtable as a basis for future success, there's no reason why it can't be done entertainingly, and every reason why it shouldn't be done boringly.
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We need Lennon to jump ship so Lambert can move to Celtic.
We then need a DoF (preferably one that understands Villa and does not have a love in with previous clubs) to act as a conduit between a clueless board when it comes to football and a (new) set of very good 1st team coaches.
Oh and 5 or 6 first team players as well as the 2 newer signings (JO/LK) back to full fitness.
Not much required then.
He seems a game lad but honestly dont think Libor Kozak is anywhere near good enough for us. Maybe has developed some physical strength during his injury but his lack of mobility will hardly be improved by a broken leg. Would be stunned if he turns out a good signing for us. Lambert somehow thought signing 2 immobile beanpole strikers was a good idea last summer when our midfield and defence were utter cack and still are.
Okore certainly looked a decent player but seemed to rely on his pace a lot. Some players dont ever recover from serious injury such as Bent and Angel so hopefully wont be an issue for JO.
In terms of positions we need filling - right back, left back, left sided centre half, centre midfield playmaker, deep lying quick forwards, backup for Benteke
Only senior players under contract worth keeping - Guzan, Bacuna, Vlaar (although I'm not bothered on him), Okore, Westwood, Delph, Benteke
We will have to keep Nzogbia and Kozak until they get back fit anyway. All others can go if anyone wants them
Should be plenty of players getting the road from United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs this summer. Plus Swansea too I would think.
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Disagree Hoyle87. It's not just that his style has that glass ceiling, it's that we've had enough of this particular limited footballing style. Swansea and Southampton have managed to combine progress with a footballing identity - some would say because of it - through many divisions. Moyes' record looks good over 11 years, but how many of the last few years could actually have been better for Everton if someone more like Martinez had been in charge? It could be that Moyes actually limited them for the last few years, and who's to say in the next few years that this limiting will trickle down the league from the top six to the whole division?
It's all well and good to build foundations, but if you're building them out of mud and everyone around you is building on concrete then the foundations are themselves inadequate and restricting - look at Newcastle, who have lots of players capable of playing good stuff, especially when Cabaye was there, but are clearly constrained by Pardew's near-moronic football thinking.
I'm fed up of managers content to make us 'hard to beat' (and harder to watch), to make us 'compact' and 'well-organised', where 'all the players know their jobs' and all of those other patronising euphemisms. I'm fed up with the long ball being considered a legitimate attacking tactic, with all our attacking coming from 'pace on the wings' rather than quality through the middle. I'm fed up with players moving about as freely as if their boots were stitched into the turf, of last-minute goals conceded after 89 minutes of unsuccessful bludgeoning against a simple defensive opposition, of losing the ball from throw-ins, of dreading the weekend arriving for fear of what garbage might be hurled our way this time. If sodding Southampton can do it, then so too can we.
The point on Moyes 'limiting' Everton over the last few seasons I think is crazy talk. The reason they are doing so well this season is 90% down to the foundations Moyes built, the players who have made the difference this year are not players Martinez has bought for fees (Kone, McCarthy, Alcaraz, Joel), it's the fact that he got lucky with the loan market with Gareth Barry and Lukaku becoming available. How many summers would two players of top 4 quality be available for loan, and both end up at the same club? They weren't even in for Lukaku until the last minute when they realised he looked set to be off to WBA and hijacked the bid.
Clearly they have played a different style under Martinez, one the fans consider more attractive, but I don't put their improved results down to that, as I've said above. Let's see how Martinez does next season when Lukaku goes back and they may well struggle to keep Barry as well. He'll most likely have around 10m to spend tops (Moyes average season spend over his tenure there), and I think Martinez will struggle to come above 6th/7th (where Moyes got Everton to the vast majority of his tenure).
What I would say is, I'm not one of these fans who is massively concerned by style of football, so that clearly will affect my views in comparison to some others. I've seen Swansea a few times and at times I think they are boring, the possession stats flash up and they've had 70% of the ball, yet I've rarely seen them in the opposition's box or the goalkeeper troubled. I'd rather come 7th playing 'boring' football, than 9th watching a possession game.
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I've still yet to see who you all think is going to bring us this golden ticket to attractive, trophy winning football. We have to stop the rot first.
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I've still yet to see who you all think is going to bring us this golden ticket to attractive, trophy winning football. We have to stop the rot first.
It's not really our job to find them though. There are people who are employed by the club and paid a lot of money to do just that.
Thomas Tuchel? Vincenzo Montella? Vitor Pereira? Uwe Rosler? René Girard? Somebody different?
They might be great, they might not be.
But what's the point of going out and searching for someone who you expect to be no more than average? Lambert might have been great (his record suggested that he could be) but it turns out that he's not, at least not with us. That's not a reason in itself to aim low next time.
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I've still yet to see who you all think is going to bring us this golden ticket to attractive, trophy winning football. We have to stop the rot first.
I'm not disagreeing with the stopping the rot - there are different ways to doing it. Moyes bit off more than he could chew at Un-i-te-id. Not the first and won't be the last to do so.
Is Villa a wise job to take soon after? To draw a parallel - SGT took on Wolves, another not very easy job after England and didn't fair to well.
If Villa wanted Moyes (no idea if the board would) and Moyes fancied a crack (even less idea as to whether he does) then he knows he is drinking at the last chance saloon in terms of big / high profile jobs as if he fails he'll be back to Preston/Wigan/Blackpool level for good.
I suspect he will sit out for 9 months or so until the dust settles - which may correspond to Villa requiring a new hire. I suspect Lambert is safe for the summer / autumn with a couple of more wins.
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Isn't his pay off reduced if he gets another job in the near term, unlikely we'll see him any time soon I think.
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The point on Moyes 'limiting' Everton over the last few seasons I think is crazy talk. The reason they are doing so well this season is 90% down to the foundations Moyes built, the players who have made the difference this year are not players Martinez has bought for fees (Kone, McCarthy, Alcaraz, Joel), it's the fact that he got lucky with the loan market with Gareth Barry and Lukaku becoming available. How many summers would two players of top 4 quality be available for loan, and both end up at the same club? They weren't even in for Lukaku until the last minute when they realised he looked set to be off to WBA and hijacked the bid.
Clearly they have played a different style under Martinez, one the fans consider more attractive, but I don't put their improved results down to that, as I've said above. Let's see how Martinez does next season when Lukaku goes back and they may well struggle to keep Barry as well. He'll most likely have around 10m to spend tops (Moyes average season spend over his tenure there), and I think Martinez will struggle to come above 6th/7th (where Moyes got Everton to the vast majority of his tenure).
What I would say is, I'm not one of these fans who is massively concerned by style of football, so that clearly will affect my views in comparison to some others. I've seen Swansea a few times and at times I think they are boring, the possession stats flash up and they've had 70% of the ball, yet I've rarely seen them in the opposition's box or the goalkeeper troubled. I'd rather come 7th playing 'boring' football, than 9th watching a possession game.
I don't think it's such crazy talk. Everton haven't looked likely to really break that Champions' League monopoly since 2005, which was before ourselves and Man City had been taken over and Spurs were having a good old meltdown. With the league as competitive as it is now, with the amounts of money spent, Martinez looks likely to finish above both a club who spent £100m in the summer and the club for which David Moyes has left, the former champions who are now boofing their way to a 38-point swing deficit on Everton, and still has a good chance of finishing above a team who could afford to spend £40m on a single player last summer.
Also, I wouldn't call signing two good players lucky, no more than I'd call Moyes' best signings lucky. But of those signings, look at them now - Seamus Coleman has gone from a decent plodder to this airborne Cafu impersonator. Kevin Mirallas, Steven Naismith, Aiden McGeady - these aren't players associated with the Barcelona-ish top levels of the game, yet now look totally comfortable in a style which is more flexible, more entertaining and, so far, more successful. The Everton fans don't just consider his style more entertaining, they consider it to have taken a brake off. This is the real point - however well it did, Moyes' style would never get further because it was so small-time. It imitated the way a particularly unblessed lower league team might play: organisation, rigid in attack and defence, safety-first stuff. Martinez's style is confidence-inducing, front-foot, brave football. Give me that any time.
Your Swansea point in some way proves my point, as well, that this somewhat Puritan idea of footballing style (that something fun must also be bad for you) is a totally incorrect premise. Would Swansea be anywhere like where they were if they weren't playing effective football? Their style can be boring or entertaining, but even if it is boring it's a braver way to be boring, and has a higher ceiling on what it can achieve. Nobody has yet addressed my point about Villa - that teams for whatever psychological reason always play at Villa Park as if we're a top four club, and as such we need to play the style best suited to breaking down massed defences at home. Clearly what we've been doing so far doesn't seem to have worked, and what we've been doing so far is Moyes-ball.
I happen to find one style more entertaining, but for us it would be more practical to change our style away from anything Moyes would give us and towards the passing style of his successor, and to change immediately.
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The point on Moyes 'limiting' Everton over the last few seasons I think is crazy talk. The reason they are doing so well this season is 90% down to the foundations Moyes built, the players who have made the difference this year are not players Martinez has bought for fees (Kone, McCarthy, Alcaraz, Joel), it's the fact that he got lucky with the loan market with Gareth Barry and Lukaku becoming available. How many summers would two players of top 4 quality be available for loan, and both end up at the same club? They weren't even in for Lukaku until the last minute when they realised he looked set to be off to WBA and hijacked the bid.
Clearly they have played a different style under Martinez, one the fans consider more attractive, but I don't put their improved results down to that, as I've said above. Let's see how Martinez does next season when Lukaku goes back and they may well struggle to keep Barry as well. He'll most likely have around 10m to spend tops (Moyes average season spend over his tenure there), and I think Martinez will struggle to come above 6th/7th (where Moyes got Everton to the vast majority of his tenure).
What I would say is, I'm not one of these fans who is massively concerned by style of football, so that clearly will affect my views in comparison to some others. I've seen Swansea a few times and at times I think they are boring, the possession stats flash up and they've had 70% of the ball, yet I've rarely seen them in the opposition's box or the goalkeeper troubled. I'd rather come 7th playing 'boring' football, than 9th watching a possession game.
I don't think it's such crazy talk. Everton haven't looked likely to really break that Champions' League monopoly since 2005, which was before ourselves and Man City had been taken over and Spurs were having a good old meltdown. With the league as competitive as it is now, with the amounts of money spent, Martinez looks likely to finish above both a club who spent £100m in the summer and the club for which David Moyes has left, the former champions who are now boofing their way to a 38-point swing deficit on Everton, and still has a good chance of finishing above a team who could afford to spend £40m on a single player last summer.
Also, I wouldn't call signing two good players lucky, no more than I'd call Moyes' best signings lucky. But of those signings, look at them now - Seamus Coleman has gone from a decent plodder to this airborne Cafu impersonator. Kevin Mirallas, Steven Naismith, Aiden McGeady - these aren't players associated with the Barcelona-ish top levels of the game, yet now look totally comfortable in a style which is more flexible, more entertaining and, so far, more successful. The Everton fans don't just consider his style more entertaining, they consider it to have taken a brake off. This is the real point - however well it did, Moyes' style would never get further because it was so small-time. It imitated the way a particularly unblessed lower league team might play: organisation, rigid in attack and defence, safety-first stuff. Martinez's style is confidence-inducing, front-foot, brave football. Give me that any time.
Your Swansea point in some way proves my point, as well, that this somewhat Puritan idea of footballing style (that something fun must also be bad for you) is a totally incorrect premise. Would Swansea be anywhere like where they were if they weren't playing effective football? Their style can be boring or entertaining, but even if it is boring it's a braver way to be boring, and has a higher ceiling on what it can achieve. Nobody has yet addressed my point about Villa - that teams for whatever psychological reason always play at Villa Park as if we're a top four club, and as such we need to play the style best suited to breaking down massed defences at home. Clearly what we've been doing so far doesn't seem to have worked, and what we've been doing so far is Moyes-ball.
I happen to find one style more entertaining, but for us it would be more practical to change our style away from anything Moyes would give us and towards the passing style of his successor, and to change immediately.
Ah now, Aiden McGeady is shit (have had the unfortunate experience of watching his depressing Ireland career over many years) and Naismith while having a purple patch is no better. Take Barry, Lukaku, Coleman and Baines out of that side and its bog standard lower mid table (our level). Martinez does seem very flexible in his tactics and play good football. But he made some exceptional signings last summer without whom they would be nowhere. Coleman has improved out of recognition but some of the others were really good players anyway.
More than a dose of revisionism has crept in about his reign at Everton I think. He is being lumped in with the MON's out there which is unfair. Moyes could be negative against big teams particularly in big Cup ties. A bit of a tactical neaderthal but it was effective and sustainable I thought. Their points tally speaks for itself over his reign, he didnt have to drastically up wages and transfer fees each year to stand still. He largely bought well, had a very committed bunch of players who on the whole gave everything for him and left the club in a monumentally better place than where he found it. Baines, Coleman, Gibson, Mirallas, Stones, Barkley - thats a good crop of young players with their best days ahead of them.
MON on the other hand left us with an overpaid, overfed, mutinous crew and promptly walked five days before the season.
All credit to Rodgers and Martinez this season, the sky big four was for all too long left saunter up to their positions in the league table for years. But serious questions have to be asked about Pellegrini, Mourinho, Wenger, Levy and Moyes about how Liverpool and Everton are in the top 4 when really they should be nowhere near it based on resources available to each club. Moyes and Villas Boas are gone. Wenger should be fired in the summer for definite. The other two if they remain potless have had disappointing seasons too and couldnt have too many complaints if they were got rid of in the summer.
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Are they having a purple patch or is the system just getting them to play better? Seeing as it's gone on for pretty much the season, my guess is the latter, and this includes getting Aiden McGeady to play well - you'll agree, something of a miracle. And though they were good players anyway, they've already got more points than last season and more goals than they ever managed under Moyes. I'd have thought it almost a truism that scoring more goals gives you a better chance of doing better in a league. Once more, I don't see how it does him discredit to have made good signings.
Moyes is clearly better than MON. He uses his squad better, he makes better signings from wider away and for better money, and younger at that. He also isn't insanely addicted to the midfield-conceding nonsense of old-fashioned 4-4-2. Still, he hasn't kept with the developments of the last five years or so, and while this wasn't exposed at Everton where he had put good structures in from older days, having to start from scratch again has exposed his limitations pretty brutally. MON was outdated ten years ago, but Moyes is outdated now. Football moves very quickly, and failure to adapt is fatal.
I think your last paragraph is an determinedly lugubrious way of looking at the situation. City haven't done much wrong, nor really Chelsea, but Liverpool have won 11 in a row which is madness. As for the top four, while United, Spurs and now Arsenal have underachieved, the fact that Everton have improved on last season seems indicative in and of itself.
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The point on Moyes 'limiting' Everton over the last few seasons I think is crazy talk. The reason they are doing so well this season is 90% down to the foundations Moyes built, the players who have made the difference this year are not players Martinez has bought for fees (Kone, McCarthy, Alcaraz, Joel), it's the fact that he got lucky with the loan market with Gareth Barry and Lukaku becoming available. How many summers would two players of top 4 quality be available for loan, and both end up at the same club? They weren't even in for Lukaku until the last minute when they realised he looked set to be off to WBA and hijacked the bid.
Clearly they have played a different style under Martinez, one the fans consider more attractive, but I don't put their improved results down to that, as I've said above. Let's see how Martinez does next season when Lukaku goes back and they may well struggle to keep Barry as well. He'll most likely have around 10m to spend tops (Moyes average season spend over his tenure there), and I think Martinez will struggle to come above 6th/7th (where Moyes got Everton to the vast majority of his tenure).
What I would say is, I'm not one of these fans who is massively concerned by style of football, so that clearly will affect my views in comparison to some others. I've seen Swansea a few times and at times I think they are boring, the possession stats flash up and they've had 70% of the ball, yet I've rarely seen them in the opposition's box or the goalkeeper troubled. I'd rather come 7th playing 'boring' football, than 9th watching a possession game.
I don't think it's such crazy talk. Everton haven't looked likely to really break that Champions' League monopoly since 2005, which was before ourselves and Man City had been taken over and Spurs were having a good old meltdown. With the league as competitive as it is now, with the amounts of money spent, Martinez looks likely to finish above both a club who spent £100m in the summer and the club for which David Moyes has left, the former champions who are now boofing their way to a 38-point swing deficit on Everton, and still has a good chance of finishing above a team who could afford to spend £40m on a single player last summer.
Also, I wouldn't call signing two good players lucky, no more than I'd call Moyes' best signings lucky. But of those signings, look at them now - Seamus Coleman has gone from a decent plodder to this airborne Cafu impersonator. Kevin Mirallas, Steven Naismith, Aiden McGeady - these aren't players associated with the Barcelona-ish top levels of the game, yet now look totally comfortable in a style which is more flexible, more entertaining and, so far, more successful. The Everton fans don't just consider his style more entertaining, they consider it to have taken a brake off. This is the real point - however well it did, Moyes' style would never get further because it was so small-time. It imitated the way a particularly unblessed lower league team might play: organisation, rigid in attack and defence, safety-first stuff. Martinez's style is confidence-inducing, front-foot, brave football. Give me that any time.
Your Swansea point in some way proves my point, as well, that this somewhat Puritan idea of footballing style (that something fun must also be bad for you) is a totally incorrect premise. Would Swansea be anywhere like where they were if they weren't playing effective football? Their style can be boring or entertaining, but even if it is boring it's a braver way to be boring, and has a higher ceiling on what it can achieve. Nobody has yet addressed my point about Villa - that teams for whatever psychological reason always play at Villa Park as if we're a top four club, and as such we need to play the style best suited to breaking down massed defences at home. Clearly what we've been doing so far doesn't seem to have worked, and what we've been doing so far is Moyes-ball.
I happen to find one style more entertaining, but for us it would be more practical to change our style away from anything Moyes would give us and towards the passing style of his successor, and to change immediately.
Ah now, Aiden McGeady is shit (have had the unfortunate experience of watching his depressing Ireland career over many years) and Naismith while having a purple patch is no better. Take Barry, Lukaku, Coleman and Baines out of that side and its bog standard lower mid table (our level). Martinez does seem very flexible in his tactics and play good football. But he made some exceptional signings last summer without whom they would be nowhere. Coleman has improved out of recognition but some of the others were really good players anyway.
More than a dose of revisionism has crept in about his reign at Everton I think. He is being lumped in with the MON's out there which is unfair. Moyes could be negative against big teams particularly in big Cup ties. A bit of a tactical neaderthal but it was effective and sustainable I thought. Their points tally speaks for itself over his reign, he didnt have to drastically up wages and transfer fees each year to stand still. He largely bought well, had a very committed bunch of players who on the whole gave everything for him and left the club in a monumentally better place than where he found it. Baines, Coleman, Gibson, Mirallas, Stones, Barkley - thats a good crop of young players with their best days ahead of them.
MON on the other hand left us with an overpaid, overfed, mutinous crew and promptly walked five days before the season.
All credit to Rodgers and Martinez this season, the sky big four was for all too long left saunter up to their positions in the league table for years. But serious questions have to be asked about Pellegrini, Mourinho, Wenger, Levy and Moyes about how Liverpool and Everton are in the top 4 when really they should be nowhere near it based on resources available to each club. Moyes and Villas Boas are gone. Wenger should be fired in the summer for definite. The other two if they remain potless have had disappointing seasons too and couldnt have too many complaints if they were got rid of in the summer.
He made some good signings from the lower leagues, bringing in the likes of Jagielka, Lescott and Cahill.
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Disagree Hoyle87. It's not just that his style has that glass ceiling, it's that we've had enough of this particular limited footballing style. Swansea and Southampton have managed to combine progress with a footballing identity - some would say because of it - through many divisions. Moyes' record looks good over 11 years, but how many of the last few years could actually have been better for Everton if someone more like Martinez had been in charge? It could be that Moyes actually limited them for the last few years, and who's to say in the next few years that this limiting will trickle down the league from the top six to the whole division?
It's all well and good to build foundations, but if you're building them out of mud and everyone around you is building on concrete then the foundations are themselves inadequate and restricting - look at Newcastle, who have lots of players capable of playing good stuff, especially when Cabaye was there, but are clearly constrained by Pardew's near-moronic football thinking.
I'm fed up of managers content to make us 'hard to beat' (and harder to watch), to make us 'compact' and 'well-organised', where 'all the players know their jobs' and all of those other patronising euphemisms. I'm fed up with the long ball being considered a legitimate attacking tactic, with all our attacking coming from 'pace on the wings' rather than quality through the middle. I'm fed up with players moving about as freely as if their boots were stitched into the turf, of last-minute goals conceded after 89 minutes of unsuccessful bludgeoning against a simple defensive opposition, of losing the ball from throw-ins, of dreading the weekend arriving for fear of what garbage might be hurled our way this time. If sodding Southampton can do it, then so too can we.
Amen to that, Monty.
This is one of the best posts I've seen on here in a while. Absolutely bang on.
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Are they having a purple patch or is the system just getting them to play better? Seeing as it's gone on for pretty much the season, my guess is the latter, and this includes getting Aiden McGeady to play well - you'll agree, something of a miracle. And though they were good players anyway, they've already got more points than last season and more goals than they ever managed under Moyes. I'd have thought it almost a truism that scoring more goals gives you a better chance of doing better in a league. Once more, I don't see how it does him discredit to have made good signings.
Moyes is clearly better than MON. He uses his squad better, he makes better signings from wider away and for better money, and younger at that. He also isn't insanely addicted to the midfield-conceding nonsense of old-fashioned 4-4-2. Still, he hasn't kept with the developments of the last five years or so, and while this wasn't exposed at Everton where he had put good structures in from older days, having to start from scratch again has exposed his limitations pretty brutally. MON was outdated ten years ago, but Moyes is outdated now. Football moves very quickly, and failure to adapt is fatal.
I think your last paragraph is an determinedly lugubrious way of looking at the situation. City haven't done much wrong, nor really Chelsea, but Liverpool have won 11 in a row which is madness. As for the top four, while United, Spurs and now Arsenal have underachieved, the fact that Everton have improved on last season seems indicative in and of itself.
you make your points well and a coach ala Rodgers or Martinez is what I want at Villa next year over the typical megalomaniac British manager. But I think its a poor league this year too which needs to be taken into account. Great that Liverpool and Everton hopefully will make the Champions League but the big four are very weak imo at the moment. Last year was poor also. Man City with their resources should have walked the last two league titles imo. Normal order could well be restored during this summer's transfer window and both Everton and Liverpool might struggle with the extra European games next season.
A look at the EPL team of the year would indicate as such, there is little competition for many positions. Compare to the 08/09 season anyway when the top was very strong. Liverpool - Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard, Kuyt, Torres all at their peak probably. United - Ronaldo, Rooney, Berbatov, Vidic. Liverpool's back 5 is at best average Id argue. No way is Reina a worse keeper than Mignolet. Skrtel somehow getting away with umpteen penalties this season, Johnson is finished and Milner proved how raw Flanagan is a couple of weeks back. My Liverpool supporting mates suggest Sakho is the worst of the lot while Agger has little presence about him. Henderson is a good athlete and fair play to him for turning around his Liverpool career but isnt much of a footballer Id argue. Even Gerrard has been average for long stretches of the season which has been forgotten about over the last couple of months. Thought Silva exposed him badly a couple of weeks ago which was kind of glossed over, even Andy Weimann did at Anfield too. Liverpool have two outstanding forwards and Sterling in particular has caught fire in the second half of the season. Honestly think the Liverpool 08/09 side was a stronger one than this year.
I look from Newcastle down on the table this year and the top 6 in the championship could easily compete with those eleven teams. Newcastle fans hate their side and manager and are ninth. Palace with their lack of quality have comfortably stayed up. Damien Delaney is a sound lad but a midtable top division defender? Cameron Jerome? Nathan Baker?
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Small steps guys.
A lot of you seem to not want Moyes because his glass ceiling is probably similar to MON's (5th/6th) due to his style of football. However I think some people are forgetting just how irrelevant we've become to many other PL sides these days, 'Villa used to have something about them' type comments are all top regular in my ear for my liking. Although they are true. We've been a bottom 6 side scraping around the 40 point mark for 3 years (4 if you include Houllier's), you can't just ignore this due to our traditions, it's where we are at this moment in time and have been for a while.
I want us to be relevant again, competing in the top half of the division and for Villa Park not to be such a piss easy ground to come to for 3 points. Moyes would make us hard to beat, improve our home record considerably and I'd be very surprised if we weren't top 8 within 2 seasons. Over a longer period of time, no he probably wouldn't be able to take us above around 6th or get us passing teams off the park. I'm not sure who some fans think we could attract in the mean time who would play such a great style and transform us from bottom 6 regulars to top 6.
We need a period of stability with a decent manager in charge, or we'll go down, that's the way we are heading. Moyes fits the bill and I can't see many other candidates in his mould, if he came in, it doesn't mean it'd be for 11 years like he spent at Everton. If our board were ambitious enough, they'd dispense of a manager when they thought he'd taken us as far as we could.
Spot on.
Sorry why small steps? Southampton went from Championship to a good footballing side in the top 8 or 9 in less than two seasons by bringing in a decent manager. Swansea did it in a very short space of time too. How "relevant" were they before their promotions? Why faff about with a consolidation stage ? Yes we look a long way off the pace now but the quality outside the top 6 or 7 really isn't that good and it shouldn't take years to bridge the initial gap. The players, with a few additions, just need to be well coached and well prepared and united behind a coach with a decent football philosophy.
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Your entirely accurate criticisms of the Liverpool defence merely highlight how effective choosing an attacking style has been. If you score three goals a game then your defence can almost be as crap as it likes. I agree Gerrard isn't all that, but I entirely disagree about Henderson - watch his close control and touches around the penalty area, you have to rub your eyes and remind yourself that the guy's name is Jordan Henderson. It's hard to believe. The stylistic change from Dalglish, after some settling in, has brought about miracles, and Everton have lifted a lid off themselves with Martinez. Moyes was fine, but never any more - Martinez at least has the potential and the method to get them somewhere.
The league has got worse as a whole, that's for sure. PSG, Monaco and Bayern especially have diluted the market for the top players, while every Premier League club other than City is prey to a club like Real Madrid. But it can't be glossed over that United have at least underachieved because of Moyes, and Everton been able to take advantage because of Martinez. The superiority of the latter over the former, at least for the moment, was frighteningly obvious last Sunday. And that's to where I think the argument comes down, and back: Moyes has been left behind even in an inferior league with the former champions. Take him out of his comfort zone and his inadequacy is horrible. I don't want that near the Villa, and it does put his achievements into perspective, while not lessening them.
PS: I agree wholeheartedly KTV. I just don't see why people continually divorce results and good football. Like I say, it must be some deep-seated Puritan mistrust of enjoyable things. I just don't get it.
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If we got a new manager who wanted to play football on the floor it would not shock me in the least to suddenly see some of the current crop of players, many who might have been written off being perfectly capable of playing that way. I cannot believe that any football player wants to continuously see the ball given back to the other team and then spend the next number of minutes chasing it. I'm sure our players would much rather practice all week keeping the ball and moving into space. In fact I've seen us do it and do it well. I just don't think they are asked to it enough because the manager doesn't fully believe in them and in that particular approach to the game.
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If we got a new manager who wanted to play football on the floor it would not shock me in the least to suddenly see some of the current crop of players, many who might have been written off being perfectly capable of playing that way. I cannot believe that any football player wants to continuously see the ball given back to the other team and then spend the next number of minutes chasing it. I'm sure our players would much rather practice all week keeping the ball and moving into space. In fact I've seen us do it and do it well. I just don't think they are asked to it enough because the manager doesn't fully believe in them and in that particular approach to the game.
Of course there are some players that would improve, Bacuna for me has a lot of potential, but others Baker, Clark, Kea, Sylla, Weimann even Gabby dont have the basic technical ability to improve. Not sure about Grant Holt, a maybe for him :) Rodgers made big calls when he came in first to get rid of the likes of Carroll, Adam and Downing at huge losses to the club. He tried to give Henderson the boot too. A coach from the modern ages will need to do the same at Villa Park this summer.
The one longshot I reckon we might have is ironically Tonev. Clearly has shit for brains but has good movement and his touch is good. Everything else less so
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Let's say for argument sake that the club is taken over and we get a new manager in Moyes or someone else.
How many of Lambert's signings do we think are going to be part of the new dawn so to speak? Benteke, Vlaar, Guzan, Betrand and well then you begin to struggle.
So we will be in yet another transitional stage but this time with Moyes or with another good manager implementing a style of football with players purchased to fit the system rather than the opposite.
Again as stated before if given the choice would we have taken Moyes before he went to Manchester? I would hazard a very strong guess that the majority of Villa fans would have welcomed him with open arms. He hasn't become a bad manager over night and have we forgotten what he did at Everton by getting them into the top four on a limited budget.
I honestly believe he was given a poisoned chalice at Man U in that several of the players there were either going to leave at the end of the season or retire and with the daddy gone they really weren't open to new ideas from a manager who hadn't won anything.
As Roy Keane said those players should be ashamed of themselves and Moyes needed time to rid Man U of the Ferguson legacy and to put his own stamp on the club and I really do believe given that time he would have been a success at Man U.
So why not achieve that success with us. With new owners he will have more than a reasonable budget to play with and I am in no doubt that he will get us back into the top six again sooner than many would believe. Of course this is just my opinion and he could be a busted flush as several have stated but even if he just emulates the positional success in the Premiership with us as he did with Everton then that is a darn sight better than what we have been used to over the last few seasons.
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some good points well made; if Moyes had come to us instead of Lambert I for one would have been more than happy. Betrand btw is not ours, he's Chavski's.
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If we got a new manager who wanted to play football on the floor it would not shock me in the least to suddenly see some of the current crop of players, many who might have been written off being perfectly capable of playing that way. I cannot believe that any football player wants to continuously see the ball given back to the other team and then spend the next number of minutes chasing it. I'm sure our players would much rather practice all week keeping the ball and moving into space. In fact I've seen us do it and do it well. I just don't think they are asked to it enough because the manager doesn't fully believe in them and in that particular approach to the game.
Good points made. With the ball being treated like a hot potato how can the likes of Westwood showcase his real abilities?
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The one longshot I reckon we might have is ironically Tonev.
From what I've seen of him, the same would apply to Helenius.
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some good points well made; if Moyes had come to us instead of Lambert I for one would have been more than happy. Betrand btw is not ours, he's Chavski's.
Thanks for that. Maybe we will sign Bertrand in the summer though?
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some good points well made; if Moyes had come to us instead of Lambert I for one would have been more than happy. Betrand btw is not ours, he's Chavski's.
Thanks for that. Maybe we will sign Bertrand in the summer though?
Would depend if Lamberts still here I guess. You'd think Bertrand would get a good recommendation from the squad and the remaining coaches though.
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I still think Betrand is the better player
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I still think Betrand is the better player
Eh?
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Disagree Hoyle87. It's not just that his style has that glass ceiling, it's that we've had enough of this particular limited footballing style. Swansea and Southampton have managed to combine progress with a footballing identity - some would say because of it - through many divisions. Moyes' record looks good over 11 years, but how many of the last few years could actually have been better for Everton if someone more like Martinez had been in charge? It could be that Moyes actually limited them for the last few years, and who's to say in the next few years that this limiting will trickle down the league from the top six to the whole division?
It's all well and good to build foundations, but if you're building them out of mud and everyone around you is building on concrete then the foundations are themselves inadequate and restricting - look at Newcastle, who have lots of players capable of playing good stuff, especially when Cabaye was there, but are clearly constrained by Pardew's near-moronic football thinking.
I'm fed up of managers content to make us 'hard to beat' (and harder to watch), to make us 'compact' and 'well-organised', where 'all the players know their jobs' and all of those other patronising euphemisms. I'm fed up with the long ball being considered a legitimate attacking tactic, with all our attacking coming from 'pace on the wings' rather than quality through the middle. I'm fed up with players moving about as freely as if their boots were stitched into the turf, of last-minute goals conceded after 89 minutes of unsuccessful bludgeoning against a simple defensive opposition, of losing the ball from throw-ins, of dreading the weekend arriving for fear of what garbage might be hurled our way this time. If sodding Southampton can do it, then so too can we.
Amen to that, Monty.
This is one of the best posts I've seen on here in a while. Absolutely bang on.
Yes, although i do like to see a winger bombing forward and crossing balls into the box too
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Disagree Hoyle87. It's not just that his style has that glass ceiling, it's that we've had enough of this particular limited footballing style. Swansea and Southampton have managed to combine progress with a footballing identity - some would say because of it - through many divisions. Moyes' record looks good over 11 years, but how many of the last few years could actually have been better for Everton if someone more like Martinez had been in charge? It could be that Moyes actually limited them for the last few years, and who's to say in the next few years that this limiting will trickle down the league from the top six to the whole division?
It's all well and good to build foundations, but if you're building them out of mud and everyone around you is building on concrete then the foundations are themselves inadequate and restricting - look at Newcastle, who have lots of players capable of playing good stuff, especially when Cabaye was there, but are clearly constrained by Pardew's near-moronic football thinking.
I'm fed up of managers content to make us 'hard to beat' (and harder to watch), to make us 'compact' and 'well-organised', where 'all the players know their jobs' and all of those other patronising euphemisms. I'm fed up with the long ball being considered a legitimate attacking tactic, with all our attacking coming from 'pace on the wings' rather than quality through the middle. I'm fed up with players moving about as freely as if their boots were stitched into the turf, of last-minute goals conceded after 89 minutes of unsuccessful bludgeoning against a simple defensive opposition, of losing the ball from throw-ins, of dreading the weekend arriving for fear of what garbage might be hurled our way this time. If sodding Southampton can do it, then so too can we.
Amen to that, Monty.
This is one of the best posts I've seen on here in a while. Absolutely bang on.
Yes, although i do like to see a winger bombing forward and crossing balls into the box too
Me too, but it only tends to work if you've made space on the overlap and can actually get to the byline to put a ball between keeper and defenders (who are hopefully running towards their own goal by this stage). If all you do is bunt it around and then cross it from the angle then the opposition can just set up to head it away, like that Fulham amateur earlier this season said.
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Am i the only one that thinks Bertrand has been bang average ?
I wouldn't be offering more than 3/4m tops for him thats for sure
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Am i the only one that thinks Bertrand has been bang average ?
I wouldn't be offering more than 3/4m tops for him thats for sure
I quite agree with this. When I first saw him I thought he was vastly superior to Bennett, but as time's passed he's not been nearly as impressive. I partly put that down to joining a failing side though. I'd be disappointed if we paid over the odds for him.
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Am i the only one that thinks Bertrand has been bang average ?
I wouldn't be offering more than 3/4m tops for him thats for sure
Not at all on your own in that regard.
He's not a 7m left back that's for sure, although he possibly isn't helped out by the others around him
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Suspicious Satsuma beat me to it
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Is there another satsuma about? We must duel!
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I'd say £5 or 6 million for Bertrand would be a decent enough deal. He's a good player, with good experience for his age and is easily good enough for a team such as ours at the moment, and I suspect he'd do a good job at better teams, too - after all, he performed well enough for Chelsea!
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Is there another satsuma about? We must duel!
Don't be a confrontational citrus, now
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We haven't looked so weak down the left hand side since Bertrand has come in but I do think there's a lot more to come. He does tend to make decent runs down the left as well.
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Am i the only one that thinks Bertrand has been bang average ?
I wouldn't be offering more than 3/4m tops for him thats for sure
Agreed. He started off pretty well bit since the first 2 or 3 games he's looked decidedly average. I certainly don't want to make his move permanent.
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If Lerner is still there Bertrand won't be, he is paid far more by Chelsea than what we pay these days.
Lambert has said he wasn't able to get experienced players in because of the wages they wanted and thats the problem, Lerner has gone from paying wages way over the odds to paying in premiership terms peanuts. Thats why the suggestion that Moyes could come in had me laughing why would he come here when the structure is so restrictive?
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I don't think anyone was/is seriously suggesting he would come now, but certainly in 2011 or 2012 I'd have welcomed him with open arms. Not that I think he'd have come even then.
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Currently I'd have more confidence in Bennett at left back than i do in Bacuna or Lowton at right back, so I'd prioritise a new right back over a new left back.
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Is there another satsuma about? We must duel!
I say we let bygones be bygones and both retire on deuce.
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after all, he performed well enough for Chelsea!
How often ? He barely started games for them from memory
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If we get Bertrand for around 5 mill he'd be a good signing. Even if he's average, it's the sort of signing we need more of. Average may well be our limit in terms of budget right now, and in terms of players we could attract (even in the event of a takeover). Get him in if possible.
I also think he's a player who could improve further if we get a manager in who can get us playing football. As others have said, most of us want a change in approach. Moyes for example would make us tough, well organised but would be similar to O Neill again. Southampton don't have a squad full of worldies by any means, or Swansea, but they play good football. I think we've got some players here who could adapt to a different approach, so I'd like to see it happen. I can take mid-table obscurity as long as we can play with a bit of quality.
Bertrand is a decent player who has improved us. If we actually showed better movement and passing we'd see more from an attacking fullback like him. The trouble is our ball retention is wretched so Bertrand and Bacuna can't get forward as much as we'd like because by the time the get to the half way line the ball is inevitably lost. Bertrand is a modern fullback, defensively he's not fantastic, neither is Bacuna, but it our midfield and attack showed better control, passing and movement, we could get two pacy fullbacks, with solid delivery and ability, into the games more.
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I wouldn't want to pay much over £5m for him, as i'm not fully convinced he's worth it. Mooching on Google, it seems he is paid about 35K a week, which should be doable. He may even take a slight drop if it means playing every week.
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Right now, I'd settle for a team of players who a) aren't terrified of the ball, and b) are capable of passing a ball to a teammate that's more than three feet away.
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Right now, I'd settle for a team of players who a) aren't terrified of the ball, and b) are capable of passing a ball to a teammate that's more than three feet away.
Don't want much do you!
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after all, he performed well enough for Chelsea!
How often ? He barely started games for them from memory
Well, according to Wiki he's made 28 league appearances for Chelsea (although I don't know how many of those are as substitute). He also, of course, played the in the Champion's League final, which suggests he's alright.
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21 starts, 7 sub. FAC 6/3 LC 8/1 Other 7/4
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Cheers for that, PWS. I think that is enough to show that he's capable, albeit alongside some very goo deployers indeed; you don't generally get that many games if you're not up to scratch.
I think he's a good player with a lot of promise, and realistically I'd say about the best we could get for that position (I'm far from convinced on Luna, although you never know….). He would be a good signing, in my opinion.
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He's also racked up 100+ league starts when out on loan at various clubs. Just to clarify, the numbers I posted above are only his chavski stats.
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Bertrand has suffered the same dip in confidence that everyone else has in the side. He's a very good LB who will only get better.
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Currently I'd have more confidence in Bennett at left back than i do in Bacuna or Lowton at right back, so I'd prioritise a new right back over a new left back.
thats like saying you would prefer Serena Williams over Venus Williams!!
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I've got to say I would like a really inspirational manager to come in to Villa that can sprinkle some magic dust around the place and have us playing magical 'progressive' football with a wave of his wand.
Moyes doesn't exactly inspire, his solid but slightly dour record at Everton doesn't help, especially considering the hoofball tactics he employed there and massive amounts of money he spent which didn't even realise him any top table finishes, and his failure and sacking at Man Utd compounds this. So no to Moyes for me.
...or wait a minute, is this the same Moyes that over 10 years has finished in all but 2 seasons above us, with an average net spend of just over £800,00 a year over the last 10 years compared to our average of £10.8 million? Is this the same Moyes whose Everton teams seemed to play dynamic attacking and passing football every time they played Villa, and that I often commented I wish we could play in a similar style, rather than the dour football we played under MoN, TSM or TOSM? Nah still don't want him.
At the end of the day, a club in our position would be fools not to try and snap up a manager of his calibre and experience, and speaking frankly, anyone trying to equate Lambert as being as good as Moyes is off their rocker.
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So they are talking to van Gaal. His ambition is to do Premier League before he retires. I hope he comes and takes his time in wasting the first season whilst the players understand what he is on about and they finish 8th again and he leaves in a fit of anger after getting stick from Countrywide reds and the "class of 92"!
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Currently I'd have more confidence in Bennett at left back than i do in Bacuna or Lowton at right back, so I'd prioritise a new right back over a new left back.
Yes that is normal. Players get better by not playing...in supporters minds.
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So they are talking to van Gaal. His ambition is to do Premier League before he retires. I hope he comes and takes his time in wasting the first season whilst the players understand what he is on about and they finish 8th again and he leaves in a fit of anger after getting stick from Countrywide reds and the "class of 92"!
Apparently Fergie has come out and said he thinks that Giggs should get the job permanently because "he knows what it takes to be a Utd player."
Maybe he gets 10% of the inevitable severance pay after 12 months for every recommendation he makes that gets the job.
Robson, McLeish, Moyes, now Giggs...
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Collymore apparently has had a phone call from a credible friend saying Moyes would be very interested in AVFC.....
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Collymore apparently has had a phone call from a credible friend saying Moyes would be very interested in AVFC.....
Careful what you wish for - some chanted for the muppet in charge now.
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Moyes not being good enough for Man United doesn't make him a bad manager. He was no worse than Pubey and managed to achieve more having spent a lot less.
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I want Moyes for Villa. But, then again, I am watching MU Norwich, which suggests that he is an idiot. Because, thank goodness, they are spanking our relegation rival.
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Moyes not being good enough for Man United doesn't make him a bad manager. He was no worse than Pubey and managed to achieve more having spent a lot less.
Agree
He would be my first choice to replace PL. he would be hungry to prove the doubters wrong
After all there aren't too many other candidates
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The thing is, I think Moyes would be a good fit with this Villa team. No stars, a largely untapped youth system, great potential, low expectation...
The only negative is that by and large, I don't want to see this Villa team ever again.
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I have changed my tune. if Moyes would come, sign him NOW. Do not wait till we are relegated, as I think we will be this season.
This is our last chance to sign a premier league manager. Nobody decent will come next season if we are down.
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Actually I find this pretty distasteful.
Our manager is Paul Lambert - there is no 'Villa job' for Moyes to be intersted in. After all the talk of how bad MU were with dealing with his sacking, I find it fairly disrespectful from Moyes to suggest he's interested in a job that is presently occupied by one of his colleagues....
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Actually I find this pretty distasteful.
Our manager is Paul Lambert - there is no 'Villa job' for Moyes to be intersted in. After all the talk of how bad MU were with dealing with his sacking, I find it fairly disrespectful from Moyes to suggest he's interested in a job that is presently occupied by one of his colleagues....
I would imagine it was a private conversation, not an interview with Parkinson. It was Collymore's decision to retweet it.
I also think you're well in the minority that's not excited about someone - anyone - replacing Lambert.
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Actually I find this pretty distasteful.
Our manager is Paul Lambert - there is no 'Villa job' for Moyes to be intersted in. After all the talk of how bad MU were with dealing with his sacking, I find it fairly disrespectful from Moyes to suggest he's interested in a job that is presently occupied by one of his colleagues....
I would imagine it was a private conversation, not an interview with Parkinson. It was Collymore's decision to retweet it.
I also think you're well in the minority that's not excited about someone - anyone - replacing Lambert.
Didn't say I wasn't keen, just that the idea of going public about wanting another managers' job was a bit shit. Surprised by Stan, to be honest, about putting it out there in the first place.
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Actually I find this pretty distasteful.
Our manager is Paul Lambert - there is no 'Villa job' for Moyes to be intersted in. After all the talk of how bad MU were with dealing with his sacking, I find it fairly disrespectful from Moyes to suggest he's interested in a job that is presently occupied by one of his colleagues....
If the club sacked lambert tomorrow then the week could be used to interview candidates without being sleazy about it.
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Actually I find this pretty distasteful.
Our manager is Paul Lambert - there is no 'Villa job' for Moyes to be intersted in. After all the talk of how bad MU were with dealing with his sacking, I find it fairly disrespectful from Moyes to suggest he's interested in a job that is presently occupied by one of his colleagues....
I would imagine it was a private conversation, not an interview with Parkinson. It was Collymore's decision to retweet it.
I also think you're well in the minority that's not excited about someone - anyone - replacing Lambert.
Didn't say I wasn't keen, just that the idea of going public about wanting another managers' job was a bit shit. Surprised by Stan, to be honest, about putting it out there in the first place.
I understand he removed it not long after. Kind of like sellotaping the barn door shut on a place like Twitter.
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Collymore is a journalist Tim, its his job to be provocative mate. It gets him callers to his programme too. Just saying like.
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Collymore is a journalist Tim, its his job to be provocative mate. It gets him callers to his programme too. Just saying like.
Agreed. Tim is being overly sensitive in a business where it is dog eat dog
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If someone had said Moyes for Villa a year ago, we would have jumped at it, now 10 months at Old Trafford and suddenly he`s a shit manager and we dont want him.well, i for one wouldnt say no.
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If someone had said Moyes for Villa a year ago, we would have jumped at it, now 10 months at Old Trafford and suddenly he`s a shit manager and we dont want him.well, i for one wouldnt say no.
it's not that he's a shit manager. It's just that he might not be what we would like as a fan base now. If you want stability and overall consistency then Moyes would work. If you want to see a different style of play and players at VP, then maybe Moyes isn't the right manager. There are plenty of redeeming qualities about Moyes, and hypothetically speaking, if we got him you pretty much know what you'll get over a few years of rebuilding. But don't expect Martinez or Rodgers style of football. He'll give us a strong but unspectacular Villa in the end, but there will be plenty of dour moments. He did have a good home record with Everton so that would definitely be a plus. The big question is, what has the last nine months done to him and does he want to start again with someone like us? Because in many respects it would be like starting again.
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Have to say, I'd never really wanted Moyes. He's not my type of manager at all - there's something in the dour, cheerless, safety-first way he sets his teams out which makes me really apathetic towards football.
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After O'Neill, McLeish and now Lambert, I'm fed up of the whole traditional British approach.
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Whatever happens over the next 2 weeks, I'm as certain as I can be that we will have a new manager by the end of June. Lambert cannot stay now, Moyes would be a good appointment. The only question is which division will we be in?
Hopefully we'll have a new owner too.
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If someone had said Moyes for Villa a year ago, we would have jumped at it, now 10 months at Old Trafford and suddenly he`s a shit manager and we dont want him.well, i for one wouldnt say no.
it's not that he's a shit manager. It's just that he might not be what we would like as a fan base now. If you want stability and overall consistency then Moyes would work. If you want to see a different style of play and players at VP, then maybe Moyes isn't the right manager. There are plenty of redeeming qualities about Moyes, and hypothetically speaking, if we got him you pretty much know what you'll get over a few years of rebuilding. But don't expect Martinez or Rodgers style of football. He'll give us a strong but unspectacular Villa in the end, but there will be plenty of dour moments. He did have a good home record with Everton so that would definitely be a plus. The big question is, what has the last nine months done to him and does he want to start again with someone like us? Because in many respects it would be like starting again.
I think your last sentence would appeal to Moyes. He would only come if money was available and that means new owners comng in
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Whatever happens over the next 2 weeks, I'm as certain as I can be that we will have a new manager by the end of June. Lambert cannot stay now, Moyes would be a good appointment. The only question is which division will we be in?
Hopefully we'll have a new owner too.
Moyes if in PL. Malky Mackay if in Championship.
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If someone had said Moyes for Villa a year ago, we would have jumped at it, now 10 months at Old Trafford and suddenly he`s a shit manager and we dont want him.well, i for one wouldnt say no.
Speak for yourself, I wouldn't have jumped at it, nor would Í now. He's not a shit manager, he just never struck me as any improvement on MON, and I'd prefer an improvement on MON.
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Moyes not being good enough for Man United doesn't make him a bad manager. He was no worse than Pubey and managed to achieve more having spent a lot less.
Exactly. After all Big Ron was deemed not good enough for Man Utd.
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The thing is who could we get that we would want? Some wanted Ollie Solskjaer, some said Gus Puyet and they have both not done very well. Many would have gone nuts if we would have appointed someone like Tony Pulis or Sam Allardyce and look how they have done. Laudrup? Moyes?...
With how shit things have been I would love for us to not fight relegation again, what I would give for mid table at the moment.
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Moyes not being good enough for Man United doesn't make him a bad manager. He was no worse than Pubey and managed to achieve more having spent a lot less.
Exactly. After all Big Ron was deemed not good enough for Man Utd.
But Ron managed Utd for 5 years and won 2 FA Cups with them. Perhaps a better comparison is Frank O'Farrell who succeeded Matt Busby as Utd manager but was sacked after 18 months in charge - after which he never managed another top club.
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I would take him, but like many others think the timing is wrong. After nearly 20 years none stop and coming off such a bad experience I am not sure he would be up for the Villa job right now.
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Collymore is a journalist Tim, its his job to be provocative mate. It gets him callers to his programme too. Just saying like.
Agreed. Tim is being overly sensitive in a business where it is dog eat dog
Collymore just feels as shit as most of us and just wants that plonker gone.
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Collymore is a journalist Tim, its his job to be provocative mate. It gets him callers to his programme too. Just saying like.
Agreed. Tim is being overly sensitive in a business where it is dog eat dog
Collymore just feels as shit as most of us and just wants that plonker gone.
Yeah, I'd forgotten this was such a pro Collymore forum, shame that...
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If someone had said Moyes for Villa a year ago, we would have jumped at it, now 10 months at Old Trafford and suddenly he`s a shit manager and we dont want him.well, i for one wouldnt say no.
it's not that he's a shit manager. It's just that he might not be what we would like as a fan base now. If you want stability and overall consistency then Moyes would work. If you want to see a different style of play and players at VP, then maybe Moyes isn't the right manager. There are plenty of redeeming qualities about Moyes, and hypothetically speaking, if we got him you pretty much know what you'll get over a few years of rebuilding. But don't expect Martinez or Rodgers style of football. He'll give us a strong but unspectacular Villa in the end, but there will be plenty of dour moments. He did have a good home record with Everton so that would definitely be a plus. The big question is, what has the last nine months done to him and does he want to start again with someone like us? Because in many respects it would be like starting again.
After the last four seasons, that is exactly what I want. We need someone who can come in and immediately arrest our decline, not someone who is going to bring a philosophy that is going to take a period of time to implement. Let's worry about the style of play after a few seasons of finishing in the top half.
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Collymore is a journalist Tim, its his job to be provocative mate. It gets him callers to his programme too. Just saying like.
Agreed. Tim is being overly sensitive in a business where it is dog eat dog
Collymore just feels as shit as most of us and just wants that plonker gone.
Yeah, I'd forgotten this was such a pro Collymore forum, shame that...
so we're not allowed to agree with him then? Thanks for letting us know.
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up until a few days ago Stan was unequivocal in wanting Lambert to stay and said so on talkshite
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I'd really like Felix Magath. His CV is incredible. He's starting to work his influence at Fulham now.
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up until a few days ago Stan was unequivocal in wanting Lambert to stay and said so on talkshite
For me the guy is just a bit of a twat, and the fact he works for such a shit radio station and is so annoying on it just adds to that. Anyway on with the thread...
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I'd really like Felix Magath. His CV is incredible. He's starting to work his influence at Fulham now.
Not a bad shout. I think it was a mistake for Fulham to bring him in so late, but if he was to get a full pre-season with us then I think he might be a good manager for us. Wonder what the chances are of him staying at Fulham should they go down, he would have a fair bit of money to spend from what I hear.
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I'd really like Felix Magath. His CV is incredible. He's starting to work his influence at Fulham now.
Not a bad shout. I think it was a mistake for Fulham to bring him in so late, but if he was to get a full pre-season with us then I think he might be a good manager for us. Wonder what the chances are of him staying at Fulham should they go down, he would have a fair bit of money to spend from what I hear.
He seemed to have retired, or semi-retired by the time they got him. They've obviously waved a lot of money at him. He'd certainly be an improvement on Lambert but I think if Randy's in charge we wouldn't be able to afford him.
If we get a new owner, I'd rather get a younger manager in.
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I personally think we need somebody experienced, that can come in and quickly sort the mess out.
Look how well the last flavour of the month manager did for us!?
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Magath's a little nuts, to be honest. A gun for hire, but one which might backfire chaotically.
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From all accounts, that is correct Monty. He definitely can do well but sounds like he can also easily cause a player revolt.
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If anyone thought Houllier could be confrontational, he's nothing compared to Magath.
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If anyone thought Houllier could be confrontational, he's nothing compared to Magath.
Ha, didnt know he had previous!? He does look like a loon!!
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If anyone thought Houllier could be confrontational, he's nothing compared to Magath.
Ha, didnt know he had previous!? He does look like a loon!!
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As a manager, Magath quickly gained respect and became notorious for his hard, grinding training methods, laying heavy emphasis on discipline, fitness and conditioning. Players gave him nicknames like "Saddam" (Saddam Hussein) or “Quälix”, a rhyming mash of his first name Felix and the German verb “quälen” (to torture).[16] He was once described by former Eintracht Frankfurt player Bachirou Salou as the "last dictator in Europe".[17]
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If anyone thought Houllier could be confrontational, he's nothing compared to Magath.
Ha, didnt know he had previous!? He does look like a loon!!
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As a manager, Magath quickly gained respect and became notorious for his hard, grinding training methods, laying heavy emphasis on discipline, fitness and conditioning. Players gave him nicknames like "Saddam" (Saddam Hussein) or “Quälix”, a rhyming mash of his first name Felix and the German verb “quälen” (to torture).[16] He was once described by former Eintracht Frankfurt player Bachirou Salou as the "last dictator in Europe".[17]
When he got the Fulham job, Raphael Honigstein tweeted some interesting stories about Magath, the gist of almost all of which was that he's absolutely fucking hatstand.
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Can we change the title of this thread to 'Ad's sacked, let's let Moyes in'?
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As a manager, Magath quickly gained respect and became notorious for his hard, grinding training methods, laying heavy emphasis on discipline, fitness and conditioning.
I like him even more now.
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As a manager, Magath quickly gained respect and became notorious for his hard, grinding training methods, laying heavy emphasis on discipline, fitness and conditioning.
I like him even more now.
I loved the story when he was at Bayern Munich and the squad got back to Munich after a defeat and he made them train in the dark for the next two hours. Completely hatstand.
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Ads in eh?
Bedsheet on standby.
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Can we change the title of this thread
Oh, go on then, just for a bit.
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Have to say, I'd never really wanted Moyes. He's not my type of manager at all - there's something in the dour, cheerless, safety-first way he sets his teams out which makes me really apathetic towards football.
I agree, Moyes' style is very cautious but there is a chance that he will reflect on the Man U experience and also what is being said at Everton and think that he needs to take his foot off the break a bit.
Regardless, I'd prefer us to go down a more european route and get a DoF in and then a new head coach. Neither role suites Moyes.
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Have to say, I'd never really wanted Moyes. He's not my type of manager at all - there's something in the dour, cheerless, safety-first way he sets his teams out which makes me really apathetic towards football.
I agree, Moyes' style is very cautious but there is a chance that he will reflect on the Man U experience and also what is being said at Everton and think that he needs to take his foot off the break a bit.
Regardless, I'd prefer us to go down a more european route and get a DoF in and then a new head coach. Neither role suites Moyes.
Frankly I think there's very little chance of that. His chastening at United will just have the effect of hardening his views - if he were the type to change, he'd still be at United.
I'm not totally convinced by the director of football set-up because if there's a disagreement between the DoF and the coach you can end up signing players who don't work in the coach's tactics. Frankly I just want a better manager.
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There was hope, at times that Mcleish might take his foot off the break a bit when he was at Villa.
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He'll have to go. His name just doesn't scan well when singing 'Claret and Blue Army'.
Time for the rose garden...
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We all wanted it to work, he is a Villa man after all.
But after 2 hours in the job it's clear he's not up to it.
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We all wanted it to work, he is a Villa man after all.
But after 2 hours in the job it's clear he's not up to it.
I'm just tired of his negative ways. Get him out before he can do any more long term damage to our once great club!
Eastie's Claret and Blue Army!
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We all wanted it to work, he is a Villa man after all.
But after 2 hours in the job it's clear he's not up to it.
Eastie's Claret and Blue Army!
May I be the first to say EASTIE OUT!
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We all wanted it to work, he is a Villa man after all.
But after 2 hours in the job it's clear he's not up to it.
Eastie's Claret and Blue Army!
May I be the first to say EASTIE OUT!
Oh villains you scamp.
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We all wanted it to work, he is a Villa man after all.
But after 2 hours in the job it's clear he's not up to it.
Eastie's Claret and Blue Army!
May I be the first to say EASTIE OUT!
Oh villains you scamp.
Oh Wooders, you do make me smile.
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We all wanted it to work, he is a Villa man after all.
But after 2 hours in the job it's clear he's not up to it.
Eastie's Claret and Blue Army!
May I be the first to say EASTIE OUT!
Oh villains you scamp.
Oh Dave, you're so out of touch with these over-familiar pet names, surely it's 'lifers'?
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We all wanted it to work, he is a Villa man after all.
But after 2 hours in the job it's clear he's not up to it.
Eastie's Claret and Blue Army!
May I be the first to say EASTIE OUT!
Oh villains you scamp.
Oh Dave, you're so out of touch with these over-familiar pet names, surely it's 'lifers'?
Go Lee-ers!
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I have shoe in hand awaiting Ads first statement how we can't compete with the Bradford's and Millwall's
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I have shoe in hand awaiting Ads first statement how we can't compete with the Bradford's and Millwall's
I've upped my Valium prescription. His tactics will be so dull.
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If his posts on here are anything to go by, Ads will follow a great Villa manager tradition of claiming we were great when in fact we were utter shite.
Ads Out!
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From what I know, Paulie and his missus are in Malta with their kids Jessica and Brad, Ozzjim and his girlfriend are in the States, Bertlambshanks and the family are at Devon Cliffs, Damon is in Corfu with Melanie and their three year old Poppy, Toronto Villa is in Toronto but leaves tomorrow for Santa Barbara and Wooders is in Skegness.
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I really don't know what the fuck Ads is up to.
In the first hour of his tenure, ok, the results were fucking terrible, but we could at least see what he was trying to do.
This last hour, however, it has been fucking atrocious. Can anyone tell what the fuck he is trying to do any more?
He's got to go.
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Surely there are no more happy clappers in the Pro Ads camp?!
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I note with interest that Lerner has yet to give Ads any money to strengthen the squad. Lerner out!
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I've been telling people how shit Ads is for at least two hours now.
It makes me laugh to be proven correct so brilliantly. You're all fucking sheep. Sheep.
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I interviewed for the managers job but got turned down. I still resent Ads for it. I think the problem was that Faulkner (Randy was nowhere to be seen) didn't appreciate my really bad attempt at a Brummie accent. Plus my transfer budget demands of thruppence ha'penny was deemed unrealistic. Plus I point blankly refused to put Jordan Bowery in the bomb squad, as I believe he's got a great future as the clubs new right back.
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I've been telling people how shit Ads is for at least two hours now.
It makes me laugh to be proven correct so brilliantly. You're all fucking sheep. Sheep.
They really need to wake up and smell the coffee and take their blinkers off while they're at it.
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His insistence on playing himself on the left wing really winds me up. He's playing better than Andi Weimann has this season granted, but he's still not good enough to be playing Premier League football.
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I have been one of Ads' biggest supporters. When people turned against him I would say: give him time, he will come good, we need to show faith.
But the time has come to accept that it just hasn't worked. Thanks for everything, you useless steaming sack of horseshit clown ignoramus bozo dickwad knob-end cockwomble
The Villa is Ours
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I think he deserves more time. I'd give him until 8pm.
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Rumours circulating that Ads has been involved in a tawdry affair with Karen Brady for the last 10 minutes.
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take that TBAR. We're telling Ads to fuck off before you are!
Ads OUT!
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He can't go yet, I heard he's got Andrew Greaves lined up as a summer signing.
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take that TBAR. We're telling Ads to fuck off before you are!
Ads OUT!
Apparently an ITK spread a rumour on TBAR that Dave W had been appointed manager. The site imploded in on itself shortly after, so as yet they've been unable to register their disapproval of Ads appointment.
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I'm sure the disapproval is there at the moment, it's just I was digging up my vegetable patch and didn't want to be disturbed.
Anyone know anything about Asparagus?
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I must hasten to add that at the moment, it's just sulking in the bottom of a ditch. Which is strangely enough, almost exactly how I feel about the Villa at the moment!
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I'm sure the disapproval is there at the moment, it's just I was digging up my vegetable patch and didn't want to be disturbed.
Anyone know anything about Asparagus?
He's a Greek player from their 3rd division. Ads first summer signing. We had the option to buy Messi but Ads felt Asparagus had something more to his game.
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Excellent. Is his shooting any better than Tonev's?
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Excellent. Is his shooting any better than Tonev's?
He can hit Row x from 30 yards, which makes him a whole two rows better at shooting than Tonev.
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Apparently the Sun has got hold of some 'Paul Jewell-style' footage involving Ads, the bonnet of an Austin Maxi and Paul Jewell. Anyone heard anything?
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I was one of the first to call for him to get the job, but these bizarre references to obscure European military conflicts in his post match interviews are beginning to grate.
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Apparently the Sun has got hold of some 'Paul Jewell-style' footage involving Ads, the bonnet of an Austin Maxi and Paul Jewell. Anyone heard anything?
seen it. Worryingly looks like danlanza under Ads' bonnet
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I still want to give him a chance, he's a proper team player. There's no 'i' in Ads. Thankfully.
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Rumours circulating that Ads has been involved in a tawdry affair with Karen Brady for the last 10 minutes.
We did it twice. That's the kind of energy I bring to the job. Most people would have rolled over, had a shower in bleach and gone to sleep, but not me. I rolled up my sleeves and... Erm, yeah, anyway.
My reign will be like my posts positive as fuck. With occasional mardyness.
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Trouble with Asparagus is that his piss stinks.
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He is going to inject some much needed iron into the side.
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Asparagus not suitable at all, always in hot water. I much prefer Avocado from Hufbol in the Turkish 3rd division. Still a bit green but as hard as fucking iron.
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Asparagus not suitable at all, always in hot water. I much prefer Avocado from Hufbol in the Turkish 3rd division. Still a bit green but as hard as fucking iron.
maybe we could get our GK through CF to take some. Give us the solid spine for our team we've all been craving.
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Fuck sake. We've been shit for hours with this wanker Ads at the helm.
Get him out. We're sleep walking towards 9 o'clock and I for one will not be renewing my season ticket if I had one, if he's still here at one minute after 9.
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I am in France and its already 9pm. Has he gone yet? #adsout
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Asparagus not suitable at all, always in hot water. I much prefer Avocado from Hufbol in the Turkish 3rd division. Still a bit green but as hard as fucking iron.
maybe we could get our GK through CF to take some. Give us the solid spine for our team we've all been craving.
Avocado's alright, but lacking flair and height.
I'd go for Sun Flo Wer, the towering South Korean centre half, and with that move we'd be planting the seeds of success for years to come.
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When I can find my marigolds I am going to paint WE'VE AD ENOUGH on a bedsheet.
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HE'S AD HIS TIME - NOW LET'S LOOK EAST-IE
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Sun Flo Wer lacks bottle, in fact he is yellow and he has got a big head. If we are going to go for that sort of player we should get this useless manager of ours to make a pitch for Wayne Roobarb.
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Can I ask is Ads male or female? I mean it has no bearing on the job he/she will do but don't want to make any inappropriate comments like "you tit" or "grow some balls" etc.
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Sun Flo Wer lacks bottle, in fact he is yellow and he has got a big head. If we are going to go for that sort of player we should get this useless manager of ours to make a pitch for Wayne Roobarb.
He's only ever looked good with ace Brazilian/Spanish hotshot Diego Custard, and I'm afraid signing the pair would be beyond our budget, and furthermore, would you trust Ads to get the best out of them?
No, me either. *facepalm*
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I am a man, my son. A sexy man. The sexiest to ever manager Aston Villa, who shall be playing four, three fucking three this weekend.
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Even sexier than Dr Josef Venglos? I think not.
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Aston Villa have moved to scotch rumours that manager Ads is under threat. A club spokesman commented, "In response to speculation on social media sites we would like to state that we have every confidence in Ads and his ability to bring Champions League football to Villa Park."
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Aston Villa have moved to scotch rumours that manager Ads is under threat. A club spokesman commented, "In response to speculation on social media sites we would like to state that we have every confidence in Ads and his ability to bring Champions League football to Villa Park."
Fuck me he is ANOTHER Scot as well??????
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I want to start a candlelit vigil but I need to pop round the outdoor from some matches first. And some candles. Do you think four candles would be enough?
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Our manager has been a complete tit since his appointment. It's time for him to grow some balls.
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Its ok dad. Maybe he will be backed in the transfer window.
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LOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!
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Rumours circulating that Ads has been involved in a tawdry affair with Karen Brady for the last 10 minutes.
We did it twice. That's the kind of energy I bring to the job. Most people would have rolled over, had a shower in bleach and gone to sleep, but not me. I rolled up my sleeves and... Erm, yeah, anyway.
My reign will be like my posts positive as fuck. With occasional mardyness.
I am a man, my son. A sexy man. The sexiest to ever manager Aston Villa, who shall be playing four, three fucking three this weekend.
We've been stitched up. That's not Ads, it's Fat Sam. Get your arse back on Twitter.
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Diego Custard is too thick to play at this level
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Diego Custard is too thick to play at this level
He struggles with consistency.
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Never any doubt what colour card Diego Custard is going to get.
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I think he ads some steel the the team. He's not to be trifled with.
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Aston Villa have announced that they have parted company with their manager Ads. A club spokesman commented, "We have becoming increasingly concerned about the direction in which the club is moving and in the light of recent events feel that it is best that manager Ads should be relieved of his duties with immediate effect. We would like to place on record our appreciation of the service he has given to Aston Villa."
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But he promised us 46 points. We've no chance now he's gone.
On second thoughts, he was crap.
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He'll never manage at this level again, we are a managers graveyard.
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Harsh decision. In the last quarter of an hour I thought he'd started to turn things round.
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He lasted until a quarter to ten. Never let us Villa fans be called fickle.
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I am already getting nostalgic for the halcyon days of Ads' reign, and blotting out the bad bits
Them were the days
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ITK on TBRA says Randy's made a move for Lee Clark!
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I wonder what Ads will do now? He must be gutted. Perhaps he will get back his old job as the boom operator in gonzo movies.
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I wonder if the club bought his silence?
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Is that the silence of the Lamberts?
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To be fair we never Ad it so good!
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I'll miss his good looks and swagger, at times he reminded me of the offspring of a tryst between Ron Atkinson and Winston Churchill.
Or Karen Brady, if you like.
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Club is a shambles. Ads was never backed FFS, what chance did he have????
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To be honest, I never wanted him in the first place. I wanted McLeish back.
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No loss. He Aded nothing to our club.
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I was told via text during Game of Thrones. Poor.
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I was told via text during Game of Thrones. Poor.
I'm just worried about where this leaves your Assistant Manager.
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I heard it on TBAR
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I was told via text during Game of Thrones. Poor.
I'm just worried about where this leaves your Assistant Manager.
In temporary charge.
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I was told via text during Game of Thrones. Poor.
Lerner was hoping you'd be too distracted by all the gratuitous breasts to notice. Although during your tenure as manager, you'll have become used to seeing loads of tits flapping about the place.
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There's some great un-staged pics on Pravda of the squad training after the news of Ads sacking. Lots of smiles and happy faces. Apparently it's better than it's been for weeks.
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I was told via text during Game of Thrones. Poor.
I'm just worried about where this leaves your Assistant Manager.
In temporary charge.
I.Osborne has been promoted to assistant manager
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There's some great un-staged pics on Pravda of the squad training after the news of Ads sacking. Lots of smiles and happy faces. Apparently it's better than it's been for weeks.
Not what I have heard.
I've heard morale is truly fucking terrible down there.
In fact, it is a situation not unlike the Lord of the Flies, or that broken down train sketch in The Day Today.
The squad has formed into two distinct camps, each dedicated to the destruction of the other.
The one camp have annointed Nicklas Helenius as their 'king', and are camped in the woods around BMH, carving effigies of the big Dane as they await his further orders. The other are lead by Andi "Flamey" Weimann, and are operating out of the Star City branch of Nando's. Weimann has, apparently, built up a cult of personality down there, and the older squad members have bought in to it.
They even reckon he's got the Bomb Squad on side.
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There's some great un-staged pics on Pravda of the squad training after the news of Ads sacking. Lots of smiles and happy faces. Apparently it's better than it's been for weeks.
Not what I have heard.
I've heard morale is truly fucking terrible down there.
In fact, it is a situation not unlike the Lord of the Flies, or that broken down train sketch in The Day Today.
The squad has formed into two distinct camps, each dedicated to the destruction of the other.
The one camp have annointed Nicklas Helenius as their 'king', and are camped in the woods around BMH, carving effigies of the big Dane as they await his further orders. The other are lead by Andi "Flamey" Weimann, and are operating out of the Star City branch of Nando's. Weimann has, apparently, built up a cult of personality down there, and the older squad members have bought in to it.
They even reckon he's got the Bomb Squad on side.
Although the bomb squadies can only order off the kids menu.
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There's some great un-staged pics on Pravda of the squad training after the news of Ads sacking. Lots of smiles and happy faces. Apparently it's better than it's been for weeks.
Not what I have heard.
I've heard morale is truly fucking terrible down there.
In fact, it is a situation not unlike the Lord of the Flies, or that broken down train sketch in The Day Today.
The squad has formed into two distinct camps, each dedicated to the destruction of the other.
The one camp have annointed Nicklas Helenius as their 'king', and are camped in the woods around BMH, carving effigies of the big Dane as they await his further orders. The other are lead by Andi "Flamey" Weimann, and are operating out of the Star City branch of Nando's. Weimann has, apparently, built up a cult of personality down there, and the older squad members have bought in to it.
They even reckon he's got the Bomb Squad on side.
Although the bomb squadies can only order off the kids menu.
Indeed.
Then, when the faction sometimes go for a pint afterwards, they make the BS wait outside, like children. Or filthy dogs, which is obviously what they all are.
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Seeing where the position we are now in the post Ads aftermath, I wish he'd been given more time.
I always thought he was the right man for the job. We've been too quick to swing the axe. I always thought be brought the best out of the players for the hours he was in charge.
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Seeing where the position we are now in the post Ads aftermath, I wish he'd been given more time.
I always thought he was the right man for the job. We've been too quick to swing the axe. I always thought be brought the best out of the players for the hours he was in charge.
Well, we didn't lose under his tenure. We need a Brian McDermott style reinstatement.
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We need a real Villa man who understands the club and can build on a philosophy
Ads for DoF
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Have to say, I'd never really wanted Moyes. He's not my type of manager at all - there's something in the dour, cheerless, safety-first way he sets his teams out which makes me really apathetic towards football.
I agree, Moyes' style is very cautious but there is a chance that he will reflect on the Man U experience and also what is being said at Everton and think that he needs to take his foot off the break a bit.
Regardless, I'd prefer us to go down a more european route and get a DoF in and then a new head coach. Neither role suites Moyes.
Great. He sounds perfect.
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Adition by subtraction is how I see it.
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If anyone thought Houllier could be confrontational, he's nothing compared to Magath.
Ha, didnt know he had previous!? He does look like a loon!!
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As a manager, Magath quickly gained respect and became notorious for his hard, grinding training methods, laying heavy emphasis on discipline, fitness and conditioning. Players gave him nicknames like "Saddam" (Saddam Hussein) or “Quälix”, a rhyming mash of his first name Felix and the German verb “quälen” (to torture).[16] He was once described by former Eintracht Frankfurt player Bachirou Salou as the "last dictator in Europe".[17]
He sounds perfect.
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New day, new manager. I'd like to nominate the Archbish, if we go down at least we might still be smiling.
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New day, new manager. I'd like to nominate the Archbish, if we go down at least we might still be smiling.
All his post match interviews would descend into vivid descriptions of his bowel movements...
so naturally that makes him 10x more interesting than Lambert already. ;)
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Assuming Ads left with all the Prozac, you may have a point, Dr G.
On reflection, all those who argued about keeping Ads for "stability" may actually have had a point.
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I'll never forget Ads. He was a true gentleman manager.
Loved the times he was caught wrestling with the Fourth Official in the technical area. What a character!
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I have some ITK. Ads is in consideration for the soon to be vacant England manager spot. Good luck to him I say.
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wearing only y-fronts in front of a packed Wembley, the press have already dubbed him 'the prat with a gnat'
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Anyone heard the rumours that if we get bought out in the summer the billionaire owners are looking at re-installing Ads as the manager? Just read it on TBAR.
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wearing only y-fronts in front of a packed Wembley, the press have already dubbed him 'the prat with a gnat'
My ITK sources at the Sun have already got the front page title written for when it doesn't work out..."Gone-Ads".
The press are so harsh.
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I am giving away 10 signed copies of my revealing autobiography, "Veni Vidi Vici", at the Trafford Centre Waterstones this afternoon. Darren is already camped outside, so there are 9 more up for grabs.
The Daily Star described it as "explosive". Its 149 pages, 156 of which are pictures of me in my underwear.
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"Veni, Vidi, Vici" What the critics say.
"Who wrote this crap?" Times Literary Supplement.
"Khaki singlet and shorts? Yuk, darling" Cosmopolitan.
"Stop the author's benefits" The Spectator.
"The End is truly nigh" The Watchtower.
"It will be a miracle if it sells a single copy" Christian Science Monitor.
"A lead balloon" Plumbing and Plumbers Weekly.
"Certain fish and chip wrapping" The Angling Times.
"Perfect for that wobbly table leg" DIY Today.
"I liked it" Mental Health For All.
"Heat Wave to wipe out everybody in the world" Daily Express.
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"Perhaps attains a verisimilitude of authenticity, like a latter day Caligula in search of his metaphorical Waterloo"
Villadroid
"Good book I liked it"
Darren Wooley
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Has he gone yet?
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I've just seen it in The Works for 67p, next to Bernie Clifton's Autobiography. I bought Bernie's.
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Glenn Peen is at Bodymoor now being interviewed for the DoF role. I gather that his management style has been likened to a cross between Carry On and Brideshead. He wants the Arch Bish in as his head coach but that may end in tears. He can be authoritarian and I dont know how it will pan out if he bashes the bishop regularly...