Aston Villa v Everton Post-Match Thread

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Blimey. I was wondering how long before NRC's name came up.

He may not want to play there but I'd think about moving Clark back to a defensive midfielder. It's certainly his best position.

[Ross]

Why is this Randy's fault? Some posters on here spit the dummy more often than a toddler on Boxing Day. Chin up its only game 2.

Trouble is, the window slams shut in a few days and we will be stuck with this squad until January at least by which time we could be right in the mire. That's why the masses are not happy. Still, we've got new tv screens and flames as we walk out so it's not all bad.

[Yossarian]

Why is this Randy's fault? Some posters on here spit the dummy more often than a toddler on Boxing Day. Chin up its only game 2.

Oh yeah I forgot. In Randy we trust. Randy the saviour. We love you Randy we do. We love you Randy we do. USA. USA. USA.

Please.

It's time some posters on here woke up and smelt the coffee.

[Risso]

Why is this Randy's fault? Some posters on here spit the dummy more often than a toddler on Boxing Day. Chin up its only game 2.

Because he's a c***.

[tarzansbrother]

Why is this Randy's fault? Some posters on here spit the dummy more often than a toddler on Boxing Day. Chin up its only game 2.

Oh yeah I forgot. In Randy we trust. Randy the saviour. We love you Randy we do. We love you Randy we do. USA. USA. USA.

Please.

It's time some posters on here woke up and smelt the coffee.

Hopefully this fukin dreadful performance will wake people up.

[The Situation]

Yes this will definitely be a wake up call for lambert. I don't think Clark had a shocker. Which of the goals were his fault? It was relentless pressure and no protection from midfield

The 3rd goal was his fault.  Watch the replay, simple bit of movement from Jelavic and Clark is just stood ball watching.  And he got sent off because he switched off again.  I have long not been sure of Clark as a centre back, I just don't trust us to keep a clean sheet when he plays.  I think he is a very decent footballer but I am not sure where he would slot in at the moment with his complete lack of pace.

I think Bannan is getting a slightly rough deal on here but he like all are youngsters just have very little experience of winning.  I would like to see the stats for some of them in terms of win, losses and draws - to me they look like they are just happy to be playing.  There is no winning instinct amongst them.

We are desperately one paced and lacking leadership.  There was a short corner in the 2nd half where we made the amateur error of not sending a second man out, allowing them to walk the ball into our box.  I watched afterwards and all the players just turned and walked off.  Someone should be getting a bollocking for that but there was no sign of it.

The worrying thing is that it does not look like problems which management and coaching can fix.  It's the basics like controlling the ball, following a man which isn't there.  We don't look like a side who simply needs to get used to a new system.  We look like a side who needs to get  to playing football.

Barry Bannan's  22 for gods sake. He ceased being a youngster around 19. Hes not good enough!

22 is still young. He would be in his final year at uni.

I didn't get a chance to watch the game today and I'm not really in the position to say this seeing as I didn't see it for myself but its pretty irrelevant saying what we did when we were 3-0 down. Fair enough if we played the way some are saying from the get go in the second half but looking good with 20+ minutes to go when 3-0 down doesn't hold as much merit because its a completely different game then. I guess you could still take some sort of positives out of it like Lichaj at LB, Baker at CB etc... But like I said at that stage it was all pretty meaningless.

But yea its pretty disappointing overall but I hope Lambert is learning from what's happening and what to do with the team as he gets a better idea what he needs to do. It's a learning curve from him too.

It's 6 days to go until transfer window shuts. I'm not going to get my hopes up tbh but it will be really bad if we don't get in the players we need. I've been saying our midfield looks very thin, today might have been a wake up call. Defense could be strengthened too.

Hey Ho life goes on...

[eamonn]

Hopefully we are approaching the bottom of the barrel. Either that or we are sitting in the middle of it. It was never going to be easy, and it's really going to hit home to Lambert that we are a long way off being a competitive side in this league. To think only 5 short years ago we were looking every bit as strong as Everton were today. There needs to be some soul searching followed by some spending between now and the 31st.

Eh? Five years ago? Two years and three months ago we finished sixth again having only been knocked out of the Champions League race at the start of May. Our fall from grace has been swift to say the least.

The problem is that we only had one way of playing under O'Neill which although flattered us a bit (reliance on set-pieces and counter-attacking) was effective more often than not. Since then we've lost all threat from dead balls, struggle to defend them and don't have the pacy players to kill teams on the counter.

Houllier's change of approach to a more patient passing approach was always going to take a long time and an overhaul of players to implement. I'm still not sure what McLeish's philosophy was and now under Lambert I think he'll try and impose a mixture of Houllier and MON's styles which, understandably, will take time and more to the point, cash.

[tarzansbrother]

Where was Wally I mean Lerner today? At the match?

[Matt Collins]

It's not hard to tell the story of randy's reign do far though is it?:

- initial excitement, great backing for the manager, if not superstar players
- in hindsight, too much financial control given to the manager, which basically meant unless we got into the champions league we'd be losing buckets of cash
- realised the error of his ways
- poor managerial choice x2
- period of very significant retrenchment as villa try to become "the Ajax of the midlands
" and do it all with homegrown players
- a good manager in now. But the retrenchment continues. I wonder if they thought lambert was ideal because he can do it without any cash

Perhaps lambert will turn it around. But I wouldn't be surprised if he decides within the next month that we're in trouble with this squad and tells the chairman that to his face

[Toronto Villa]

Hopefully we are approaching the bottom of the barrel. Either that or we are sitting in the middle of it. It was never going to be easy, and it's really going to hit home to Lambert that we are a long way off being a competitive side in this league. To think only 5 short years ago we were looking every bit as strong as Everton were today. There needs to be some soul searching followed by some spending between now and the 31st.

Eh? Five years ago? Two years and three months ago we finished sixth again having only been knocked out of the Champions League race at the start of May. Our fall from grace has been swift to say the least.

The problem is that we only had one way of playing under O'Neill which although flattered us a bit (reliance on set-pieces and counter-attacking) was effective more often than not. Since then we've lost all threat from dead balls, struggle to defend them and don't have the pacy players to kill teams on the counter.

Houllier's change of approach to a more patient passing approach was always going to take a long time and an overhaul of players to implement. I'm still not sure what McLeish's philosophy was and now under Lambert I think he'll try and impose a mixture of Houllier and MON's styles which, understandably, will take time and more to the point, cash.

Yes, three years ago is more accurate

[bertlambshank]

Bannan's killer ball?
Let's face it he hasn't got one.Championship player at best.

[Tom_Mc9?]

Lots of bad but some causes for optimism. I'm not reaching for the Prozac.

[The Situation]

Why is this Randy's fault? Some posters on here spit the dummy more often than a toddler on Boxing Day. Chin up its only game 2.

Because he's a c***.

Why do you need to use such abusive language to our owner?

Take a chill pill.

Just wait and see if anything happens in the next 6 days.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Bannan's killer ball?
Let's face it he hasn't got one.Championship player at best.

Not sure about that but he certainly doesn't deserve a starting place.

[Tom_Mc9?]

Also, the clowns booing the team at half time were far more embarrassing than any element of that performance.